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Well, sometimes we have to sell
the show, and then there are times

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like this here podcast where the show's
gonna sell itself. Welcome in to the

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Fight Freaks United recap. Hello,
Ryan Garcia with one of the shocking upset

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performances I'll say in recent memory in
a boxing ring getting a victory over Devin

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Haney that we're about to break down
and discuss. Hello to the audience,

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I am merely TJ Reeves. He
is our insider. Fight Freaks Unite is

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his substack after all, Big Fight
Weekend dot Com insider as well Dan Rayfield.

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We have much to go over about
Ryan Garcia's twelve round decision win over

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Devin Haney, which very easily could
have been a knockout win on two different

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occasions, probably should have been a
knockout win. Great drama. This is

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why we love boxing. Hello,
and I know we've both been raring to

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go for a while on this ever
since Saturday night at the Barclay Center in

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Brooklyn. How are you, sir? I'm good. Nice to talk about

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back of a fight. What else
can I say? Much much to get

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into on the program. Thank you
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star review. It helps. Okay, So when last you and I were

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talking, it was live on the
bet Us Boxing Show on their platforms Friday

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afternoon. At that point, Ryan
Garcia had missed wait badly, as I

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liked to joke, by three exits
off the interstate. We didn't know that

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on our preview podcast overnight Thursday into
Friday. We now know that. We

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now know further that there was not
any kind of made on a reweigh in

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on Saturday. So I'm going to
begin the discussion this way. Yes,

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Ryan Garcia got the victory in the
ring. He deserves full credit for everything

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that happened in the ring. But
partially this fight came down to what the

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Hany team and Bill Haney in specific
didn't demand and didn't do Friday and Saturday.

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And we'll get into that discussion.
That is my take. Begin your

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thoughts and the discussion about all of
this, My friend TJ. When you

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say your take, you mean they
should have insisted on a rehydration clause.

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They should have insisted on something Friday
afternoon, Friday night and Saturday morning because

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the fighter himself was bragging and flaunting
the fact I didn't have to make the

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weight. I can do whatever I
want now on Saturday, and I believe

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it was part Again, let me
say clearly to the audience, I'm not

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doing this to you. I'm not
saying it's the only reason why Ryan Garcia

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won to fight. Ryan Garcia's big
left hand is why he basically won this

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fight. But they were a Devin
Hainey talked after the fight about being asleep

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on the left hook. They were
asleep Friday afternoon and Saturday. And but

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I've monopolized this. You're you're the
authority, You're the guy that people want

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to hear from in this scenario.
I've set it up, give me some

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thoughts. Let's get into it.
Let's get it. We can begin right

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there. Did they screw it up? Did they screw it up on the

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rehydracing clause? What's your take?
Well, I think basically, when you

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took a look at what happened when
the bell rang and they got into the

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ring, it looked to me anyway, from just the naked eye, Ryan

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Garcia was a much much bigger person
than Haini not because he's a little bit

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taller, just because he clearly had
put on bulk. And wait, and

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there's a big difference. Now.
Neither one of these guys, to my

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knowledge, stepped on a scale for
the promot, you know, for the

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TV on the night that they got
to the arena, So we don't know

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for sure what they weighed when they
got there. I suspect that if Ryan

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was one forty three and change,
officially, you had to be in the

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one sixty five this area. Uh, you know, by the time he

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got to the night of the fight, he looked really big. Heiny obviously

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did not put on that much weight. He's a smaller guy to begin with,

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but you know, there they could
have tried to force a rehidration clause.

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I'm not sure it would have worked. They i think were more concerned

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at that point about getting the money
that they got for it to go through

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with the fight. Now, all
all this stuff about how they did the

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one and a half million dollars because
there was five hundred thousand dollars a pout.

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Now, maybe Ryan will pay that
just as a you know, a

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man to man bet and you keep
your honor. But in terms of what

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the contract said, it was not
a million and a half dollars. I

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know this one hundred percent from people
that literally were going over the paperwork.

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The contract was six hundred grand from
the purse of Brian to the purse of

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Hainy, plus a percentage two percent
of whatever he may derive on the upside

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of the pay per view. Not
anything to do with a million and a

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half. Now, if Ryan decides
to pay him, you know, you

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know, good for him. I
guess that's the honorable thing to do.

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But there's no contract that's going to
make them do that. And as a

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matter of fact, in the contract
that they signed, like the amendment,

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I was told that there was actually
a language in that that they had to

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continue to say it was a million
and a half dollars. I'm not sure

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why that was such a big deal, but it was. And that's just

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weirdness of boxing people sometimes. Nonetheless, did they make a mistake? Yeah,

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I mean in retrospect, I guess
they did. Because here's the thing,

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and I heard this from people on
social media all day long, Well

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it was only three pounds. Well
no, it wasn't only three pounds.

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Number one. Unfortunately, in the
case that Ryan, I don't know how

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much he really cares about this,
but just from the standpoint of like the

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purest if you will in boxing fanhood, you know, me gave up the

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opportunity to become the champ of the
world. And if he had made the

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weight and he won the fight,
he'd beat the wb C Junior walter weight

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world champs. So that's obviously,
you know significant. I mean obviously,

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I know it's about the money,
but the guys who were the best in

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the business, they find a way
to be champions and make the money,

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not one or the other, not
a binary choice. So that's one thing

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in terms of about the situation with
the weight. Yeah, it was three

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pounds, But here's what people they're
like, Well, they both put on

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all the weight after the weigh and
they plenty of time to rehydrate, so

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they were even. And that's what
they don't understand. If you are a

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fighter and you are supposed to make
one forty and you get down to the

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weight and you deplete yourself, you
give up something of yourself getting to that

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weight. That's exactly the guy that
doesn't do that, it only gets to

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one forty three, doesn't suffer and
deplete the way that the other guy did.

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It gives him an inherent advantage.
So Garcia flaunting that, not acting

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like a sportsman. It's one thing
to be overweight, but to rub your

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opponents knows in the fact that I
didn't make the weight kind of left a

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lot of people with the kind of
a bad taste in their mouth, I

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guess, so he was sort of
like flaunting that. Now. I've seen

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examples of fighters that have not been
able to make the weight and they don't

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even bother to try. Now,
he wasn't going to be able to lose

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obviously, three extra pounds, but
there are certain guys. I remember,

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this is just one example of many
I'm sure I could come up with.

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As I was at a fight in
Houston, Texas years ago, when it

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was supposed to be Danny Garcia challenging
Eric Morales for this coincidentally actually the same

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WBC Junior welterweight title. I just
realized that and Garcia was the challenger and

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Eric was the champion, and Garcia
was not I mean, Morales was not

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on weight, and he never bothered
to try to lose the weight. He

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just took the you know, took
the fine and the and the stripping of

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the title and went in the ring
and fought him the next night. Now,

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obviously Garcia won the fight and won
the title, but the point was

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he didn't deplete all the way to
one forty three, and Eric said,

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you know, he was kind of
you know, cool about it. He's

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like, look, my choice was
do I kill myself and have no chance

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to win the fight, or do
I just go as it is and I

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lose my title, But at least
I have a chance, and you know,

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we get we take care of business. As it turned out, he

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didn't, you know, keep the
title, an he lost the fight.

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But the point was this was the
same scenario, except the Ryan turned out

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to be the winner of the fight. Now, HAINI stilled the champion the

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WBC rules. I double checked this
with Mauricio Suliman, but before right right

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after the way on Friday, and
then again I checked with him on Saturday

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just to make sure that I wasn't
missing something in what he was saying to

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me is that the the title would
have obviously still been hanies that he wanted

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to win a title defense, but
without him winning, he's still the champion

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because his opponent was over the weight. So Devin Hainey does have the fact

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to fall back on that he's still
the WBC champion. And this is not

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an unprecedented situation where a guy can
keep a belt when the other guy,

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you know, beats him. Okay, we'll get into that in a couple

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of moments too, because it's convoluted
because then it was essentially a non title

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fight, because I mean more or
less, because nobody was going to lose

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the title or win the title.
But in any event, I just want

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to make this point too, when
we go back a year ago, Gervonte

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Davis had all of these stipulations in
there on what Garcia had to weigh and

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what he had to weigh the next
day and people went on and on about

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that, but obviously his team and
him being the A side understood we don't

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want him to be fifteen or twenty
pounds heavier than us on fight night.

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So clearly, if you want to
be critical of the Hainies that they botched

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this and let Ryan Garcia get away
with it, there's your valid example a

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year ago. I'm not gonna even
say that though, because I am then

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they that's fun, you can say
that, but then people start saying,

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well, you're you know, you're
a weight bully and all that kind of

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stuff. You know what, it's
not a matter of being a weight bully.

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There should not have been a fight
when he was three pounds overweight,

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and you're now changing the stipulations on
everything because of that. That's not a

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weight bully. I'm not again,
I'm not. I know you're not arguing

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that point. No, you're you're
right what you're saying. But what I'm

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saying is I'm not gonna argue.
I may have handled it differently if I

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was managing a boxer, maybe you
would have handled it differently. They obviously

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as a team, Devin, his
dad, their lawyer, their their people,

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They've got others that they consult with. They made a decision that they

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were gonna go and do this fight, and they weren't gonna try to force

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the weight clause. Now you can
say they did the wrong thing, but

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they're not dumb people. They've been
around boxing their whole lives. They knew

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what they were doing. I will
say this in this case, they were

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dumb people. It contributed to him
getting beat. If if Ryan Garcia is

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depleted physically in the second half of
that fight, he's not the same fighter.

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This was a dumb decision to not
do that, And they're smart people

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that do dumb things all the time. I don't know that it ultimately would

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have mattered if he stepped in the
ring ten pounds lighter because he didn't hydrate

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as much. Well about no one, No one knows that. But let's

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let's do that on one thing,
just one thing about Bill and Devin.

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See, you know your your your
point is your voint is valid. I'm

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not saying you're not right. They
just obviously seem to disagree with you,

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But you agree with this. I
don't mean to sidetrack you. They were

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arrogant enough to think with all the
craziest craziness that's gone on this entire week

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with the fact that he's now overweight. We got this guy and it doesn't

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matter what he weighs. That to
me, but it screams that to me

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from a distance of it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to get these stipulations.

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We're gonna beat it no matter what. That's what screams to me.

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Go ahead. I'm not in their
mind, and I'm not going to call

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them arrogant. I'm not going to
call them names. Number two. In

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the post fight both Bill who I
saw a video he did in Sunday and

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also in the social media messages that
that Devin Handy posed, and also in

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his post fight interview, you know
what, they showed class and defeat.

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They didn't cry about it. They
didn't They could have bitch and moan about

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the weight. They could have done
a lot of things. They could have

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made a lot of excuses. They
could have talked about, you know,

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any number of things about the about
the way that the fight went. But

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they they acted like sportsmen and whatever
their personal feelings are, they didn't let

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it hang out in the public.
They basically said Ryan's a good fighter,

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congratulations. We'd like to do a
rematch when he makes weight, And I

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think that's a very acceptable line of
conversation by both of them afterwards to not

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you know, drag everything out and
bitch and complain. I know you've heard

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me say many times on the show. I'm not big on excuses. They

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didn't make any excuses none whatsoever,
So I give them a lot of credit

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for that. I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna sit here and shit on the

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Hanies because some people think they should
have gotten a little bit more on the

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Friday with the weight, and some
people, you know, would disagree with

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the way they handle it. But
in defeat, they handled like class like

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professionals. And you know what I'll
say this, Hanus twenty five years old.

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You know what he did on Saturday
in losing to Ryan Garcia does not

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negate the fact that he went to
Australia twice and b cambosis. It doesn'tgate

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the fact that he that he defeated
Lomachenko in a close fight. It doesn't

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negate the fact that he won a
shutout decision and with a knockdown against Regis

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program. You know, you lose
a fight, you lose a fight.

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It's boxing. I mean, other
than you know, a couple of guys

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you get count on one hand,
you know the fighters they lose. He's

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still a quality fighter. Now,
maybe he's been shown to not have the

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kind of chin that maybe some people
thought, because Ryan also happens to have

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one of the best, you know, single punches in the entire sport in

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terms of landing as left hook.
That's a devastating punch. It always has

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been, and to probably be his
money maker until the day he's done with

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the sport. And you know,
you'd like to think that defensively, they

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would have been a little more prepared
for him. But I'll say this is

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also one thing. It's hard to
be in the fight the way he was

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because it was still a close fight
even with the knockdowns, because he was

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badly damaged with the first left hook. That was that the first you know,

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I was coming right there, I
was coming right there a minute into

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the fight. I use the word
detonated. Ryan Garcia detonated the left hand

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and he hurt Devin Haney. Now, to Hannes's credit, HAINI survived that

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first round. He lost that first
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Haini was in control through the middle
of the fight, into the middle of

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the fight from there on. But
to that point, how much do you

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think him getting Haney's attention hurting him
altered that fight for good? What do

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you think on that tack? I
think it, no question it did.

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I don't think Devin even though he
ended up winning. Like let's say he

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loses round one obviously, now you
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six before the crazy seventh, which
we'll get to. Of the second

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through the sixth round, Haini probably
won four of those rounds. Great,

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maybe five of those rounds. I
mean, people make it out like see

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in this another thing that drives me
absolutely wacky. And I mean I'm gonna

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stand on my soapbox for a minute. With all the dummies on social media,

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No way could hany have won that
fight. He got knocked down three

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times. They should have counted more
knockdowns. Blah blah, blah blah.

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Here are the facts of the situation. A whatever your opinion is about how

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many knockdowns that should have been called, the fact is it was three,

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not four, not five. Again, we can maybe say Harvey Dock didn't

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have the best night ever as a
referee fight. But there were three knockdowns

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officially scored. There was also a
point deduction from Ryan Garcia, so that

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would in essence and the scoring make
it two knockdowns and then plenty of rounds

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where Ryan Garcia was completely outboxed and
out uscle by Devin Haney. And therefore,

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you know, one of the judges
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The other two obviously had you know, Ryan winning. But again,

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it's not about knockdowns. It's about
fucking math. Every boxing match is about

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math. People. I had one
person on Twitter say, well, you

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can't score three knockdowns in a fight
and not win, Like the hell you

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can't. And I gave the one
of the great examples I can think of

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because I was ringside Atlantic City the
first fight between Vladimir Klitchko and Samuel Peter

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in an IBF heavyweight title eliminator.
Sam Peter, big strong puncher, knocked

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Vladimir klitic go down three times and
Klitschko went every other round of the fight

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and won a clear decision. Yeah, but he goes I'm a deck three

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times. You know, Ryan Garcia
scored three knockdowns, but that doesn't mean

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you win the fight. You have
to score twelve three minute segments, yep,

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and then do the math. So
therefore it's a close fight, yes,

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aesthetically or Ryan Garcia kicked his ass, but you doesn't make a difference

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because again, if it doesn't end
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mathematics. So that's the point there. But it was an inspired performance from

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Ryan. I actually think that Devin
found it maybe so easy after the being

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hurt in round one to outbox him, that he didn't realize that that Ryan

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still had some stuff to do.
And Ryan very strategically, if you will,

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picked his spots to explode, because
Ryan only fought in spots. He

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wasn't fighting quote unquote three minutes of
every round, but he picked his spots

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when he had the opportunity and was
able to get the hook in. So

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for the first half of the fight, other than that you know, hard

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shot that really hurt him bad in
round one, it was basically all Haney

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for the first half of the fight. Now we can discuss round seven and

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after, so let's get into that. And and to his credit, Haney

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credited Garcian and said, I fell
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And he got caught again in the
seventh round with a big left hand again

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and this time dropped for the first
time in his professional career. He's down

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on the ground and it's early in
the round, and yes, shout out,

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I thought, Todd Grisham, Sergio
Mora, Chris Mannis for the most

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part rose to the occasion and did
a great job. And Mannix was the

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first one saying, Sergio, there's
over two minutes left and his legs are

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gone. I was did you think
in that moment this may be a t

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KO. I'm sitting watching thinking this
could be over right here. He's got

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too long to survive in that in
that seventh round. For all the for

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all the the the positives and all
the applauding that Ryan Garcia gets and deserves

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for the way he won the fight, you got to give similar credit and

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applause to the balls and the toughness
and the heart that Devin Hainey showed to

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go twelve rounds after taking those three
knockdowns plus the shot in the first round,

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plus what maybe some people could argue
were at least one more knockdown that

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was not called. He showed,
as he said, I'm a true champion.

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I showed I can fight through,
you know, adversity and still make

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it a fight, which he did. And so I think both guys deserve

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a lot of credit for the way
that the fight went uh in terms of

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the way that the fight. You
know, whether it was going to be

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a knockout right there in round seven
or not, you know, that was

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the round. Also that right after
that big knockdown, you know, for

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obvious reasons, you had a herd
fighter in Devin Hainey, you know,

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doing what fighters do. They're grabbing
on, trying to kill the clock whole

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bit, try to you know,
frustrate the opponent all over the place.

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Fell over two other times. So
when Harvey Dock went to break them,

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Ryan Garcia threw a right hand on
the brake and you can't do that,

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and he deducted on one point.
Not only was the point deduction, you

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know that was obviously you don't know
how the fight's gonna end up, and

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maybe at the point's going to be
a significant factor in the end result.

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As it turnout, it didn't matter
in the final scoring. But what was

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more important at that moment even more
than the point was. It gave Devin

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Hainey, even if it was just, you know, six or seven extra

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seconds to get a shit together,
that can make a big difference, and

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I think that was partly a way
that he was able to survive the remainder

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of round number seven. You know, there's been ob've seen again arguments from

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people about Harvey Doc calling that foul
and taking the point I have. I'm

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kind of ambivalent about that. On
the one hand, it's absolutely a foul

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to hit on the brake, yes, one hundred percent. I don't care

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what the situation is. You cannot
you know, the two fouls that I

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see people get away with too much
are hitting on the brake and hitting behind

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the head. Ryan Garcia hit him
after the break. I'm not even saying

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Ryan Garcia did it on purpose.
I don't think Ryan's a dirty fighter,

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but clearly he hit him on the
break and you can't do that. Now.

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My personal perspective was it wasn't like
that bad, and maybe it should

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have required a very hard warning don't
do that shit, or I'm taking a

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point, and that would have been
okay. But Harvey Doc is a very

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experience CHAMPIONSHIPUBBO referee. He made the
decision standing two feet away from these guys

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that was above what he felt was
worth just a warning, and he docked

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him the point. So you know, I personally would have not docked him

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the point right there. I would
have said to give him a hard warning.

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Harvey made the decision to take the
point, so be it. That's

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his right. It's not like he's
not allowed to do that. It might

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be a little bit more hard for
than than most people would have expected,

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but I didn't really think it was
that big of a deal. And again

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you don't know it at the time, but in the end result they did

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not have an impact on the result
of the fight, thankfully. All Right,

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A couple more interesting aspects to this. Hainey actually recovered in between rounds

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and I thought won the eighth round, and I thought won the ninth round.

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He's back in control of the fight. Now you can debate that.

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And I don't know about the official
scoring. Obviously, the one judge that

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had it wide for Ryan Garcia probably
didn't give Haney both the eighth and ninth

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round. He may have given Garcia
the eighth and the ninth round. I

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don't know, but I really thought
he had gotten in control of the fight

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back and then lo and behold,
Boom goes the dynamite again with the left

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hand. Just switch rounds. Did
you say you thought that the eighth and

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the ninth? I thought Hany recovered
in the eighth and one night, both

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of those rounds, and I thought
he won the ninth as well. And

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I don't know about the official scoring, but to Garcia's credit, again boom

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goes the dynamite. He lands the
big left hand again in the tenth round

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and scores another knockdown. With Haney
again on shaky legs, stumbling all over

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the place, and amazingly two different
rounds, the tenth and the eleventh,

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he possibly could have ended this fight. Again. Don't worry about the judges,

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don't worry about the scorecards. So
what's your thought there on? Because

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I thought, tactically, one thing
Garcia was doing, and even I think

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Sergio Mora mentioned it, he's getting
too close to him and allowing Haney to

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grab him instead of keep you know, the extra foot or two feet away

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and try to tag him from long
range and in the fight with Haney standing

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around everywhere, but go ahead,
he was kind of smothering himself a little

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bit, and some people were bitching
and moaning about route the holding that Devin

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Haney was doing, which he was
doing holding, but it's up to the

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referee to make him stop that.
If you can get away with it and

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you're the fighter, you keep doing
it until the referee takes a pointer stops

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you from doing it. So on
the one hand, I have no I

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don't quarrel with Devin for holding on, for basically doing what he had to

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do to try to survive the fight. On the other hand, Harvey,

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again as an experience championship referee,
I would have liked to see a little

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bit more stern warning and perhaps a
point deduction if necessary for the constant holding

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in the eleventh round. Ryan made
the point at his postfight press conference,

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which I watched after the fight.
He didn't say this, I don't believe

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this was in the ring, was
that he felt like that he had Devin

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really badly hurt in round eleven,
and that he said he even looked at

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Bill Haney and said you should stop
the fight, and he didn't stop the

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fight and it continued on. And
do you go back in terms of just

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the previous round, we're also had
a knockdown. You know, Ryan made

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the point about, you know,
his left hook being you know, the

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money maker, so to speak,
but more importantly said, I got so

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excited that I cost you know,
I just I got so excited that I

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kind of over I kind of got
way over my This is not his word,

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this is my like I got to
hit him, I got my over

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my skis, so to speak.
And he just couldn't finish him because he

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was so excited. And you know, that's a more mature fighter or a

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guy that might have been more active
or you know, had dealt with that

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kind of situation before. You show
a little more calmness, a little more

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precision, a little more poise,
you take the step back, you know,

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And that just he's got an excitable
personality and he just you know,

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you're in the heat of the battle, as I say, you're in the

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crucible, and and uh, you
know, he just couldn't get the stoppage

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because he was a usual word,
sloppy. I think he got sloppy.

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That's fair, whether he's excited or
whatever, and couldn't finish him. And

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uh, again, this was a
tremendous fight. I will I will say

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for the first time here, if
Doc stopped it at some point in one

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of those rounds with the knockdowns,
that wouldn't have been necessarily the worst thing

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I've read, And it was maybe
a punch or two away from that's it.

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But this is the fight of the
year to this point. Now we'll

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see what else happens in the next
few weeks because we got some massive fights.

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This was tremendous drama for all of
the stuff out of the ring,

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and obviously Hany being able to survive
now calls into question. What's going to

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happen with the decision in round twelve? And I thought that that Devin Haney

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won the twelfth round. I thought
he was in the twelfth round. Did

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you think he won the twelfth round? And then bring it down for me

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on your car go ahead, Well, I mean I thought he won the

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twelfth round. There was one I
forget which round it was that I had

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written very close or something like that, because I'm keeping score, like you

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know, on paper, or actually
I'm keeping score in my computer and I'm

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typing it. But I wrote basically, you know, made the notation that

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was a super close round that I
felt could have gone either way. You

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know, I felt like if you
had a well, you really couldn't have

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a draw because of the wackiness of
the point deductions and the knockdowns and the

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whole thing, right, But if
you had Ryan Garcia winning of the fight

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no issue whatsoever, I don't think
you could have him winning wide. But

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I also felt like, you know
what, the one judge that had at

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one twelve one twelve, I didn't
think that was off base. And if

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you had to fight like that,
no issue. If you had to fight

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one point in favor of Haney,
which would have meant you probably gave him

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most of those first six other than
round one, it meant you probably gave

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him two, three, four or
five, six or some or most of

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those rounds and maybe the twelfth also, and you could come up with him

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winning. And the thing that people
kind of forget about is that, yeah,

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he got the three knockdowns, but
in terms of the way that it

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impacted the scoring, it was really
only two knockdowns because the offset was the

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point deduction. So round seven is
like a wash. It's a nine to

408
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:40,640
eight round because you have a ten
eight round for Hany in favor of Garcia,

409
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,720
because he knocked Haney down and then
he loses a point on the deduction,

410
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:47,519
which makes it nine to eight,
which is the way that it was

411
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,160
scored on the score cards. The
way they do it on the official cards

412
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:53,359
is it says ten to eight and
then it has a minus one. So

413
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,400
now that in their math actually adds
up to a nine eight round, right,

414
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,759
So you know, it was a
really close, really close fight.

415
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,240
It was by no means a blow
out, because again it's math that's not

416
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,200
knockdowns and not damage, and not
blood and not you know who's wobbly on

417
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,279
their legs. It's simple adding up
a bunch of nines, a bunch of

418
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,200
tens, a couple of you know, three eighths or whatever, and coming

419
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,680
up with your score. So I
had no problem with Ryan winning the fight.

420
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,039
I did think it was very,
very close, and I can certainly

421
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,359
see a way that you can have
Devin Haney winning by like one point or

422
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,480
having a draw in the one twelve
one twelve, which was the score of

423
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,000
the one judge. But look,
Garcia wins the fight, all credit to

424
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,880
him. I want to get into
one other factor about this though, that

425
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,960
somehow, because he won, it
makes all of us who were worried about

426
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,480
him, who said he was having
all kinds of problems and breakdowns, that

427
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,039
somehow that no longer is an issue
and that doesn't exist, and it was

428
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,400
fraud and fake and we're all a
bunch of idiots. You know what I

429
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,599
said several times in the build up. If he lands the left hook and

430
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,599
wins, good for him. But
I'll have done it in spite of himself,

431
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,640
not because he's something you know,
supernatural and that you can screw around

432
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,039
like that and get away with it. It was in spite of all the

433
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,839
nonsense, and part of that obviously
was a defect in the Hainy plant I

434
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,799
suppose. So just because he scored
with the hook and won the fight does

435
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:18,039
not change the fact that he was
unhinged, and I don't believe he was

436
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,880
trolling. I still believe that for
many reasons, that he was doing this,

437
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,240
not because it was a work,
but because he really has a lot

438
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,359
of problems and if there was anything
to go on that all you have to

439
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,839
do, once again is listen to
his post fight press conference where he I

440
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,319
don't even have my recollection. He
wasn't even prompted to say this. He

441
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,279
was just sort of talking about,
you know what he was doing in the

442
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,200
build of the fight. I will
quote you from the press conference. I

443
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,359
walked through fire and still held it
down, still fucking beat Devin Ainey,

444
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,200
and still drank every day and still
beat him. I did everything, drank

445
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,319
every single less, went out on
Monday and Tuesday and drank and drank.

446
00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:02,079
What happened. I won, Not
necessarily am I proud of it. I

447
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,160
do whatever I want and I still
win. That my friend is going to

448
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,319
get somebody defeated at some point because
they don't think they's unhinged. That's unhinged.

449
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,440
Now again, all the people that
say I'm a hater of Garcia because

450
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,319
I said what I said in the
pre fight, on the fucking contrary,

451
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:23,039
I said what I said because I
with no dog in the fight. I

452
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,759
don't make any extra money. I'm
not a hanger on on Garcia. I'm

453
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,720
not using him as an ATM.
You know, I actually cared about the

454
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,200
kid. I want to see him
be healthy. It doesn't change my life

455
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,039
if he's a drunk, or he
gets knocked out, or he wins or

456
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:41,880
he loses. Same with any makes
no difference in my life or whatsoever.

457
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,759
I just say what I think.
I saw a very troubled young man who's

458
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:49,559
got a lot of issues, who
was somehow good, God bless him,

459
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,759
was able to overcome and get in
the ring and do his job. But

460
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,599
all that does is cover up the
real problems. And if you think that

461
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:02,160
he can go through camp after camp
after camp, drinking on fight week and

462
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,480
being a mess like that, that
is just pure fantasy. And you know

463
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,480
you watched the stuff that was posted
in the aftermath again, drinking, smoking,

464
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,279
dope, the whole thing. You
know it's not cool. I mean

465
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,559
I again, I still, I
still have concern for him. I'm not

466
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,680
unhappy he won. None of that
and his family, I'm with you.

467
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:25,240
None of that's change. But it
doesn't change the fact that he he was

468
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,000
unhinged. It doesn't change what happened. Here's You love my analogies, and

469
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,279
you love baseball. I've often used
this analogy. There are times in Little

470
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,400
League when a kid might close his
eyes and hit a home run or even

471
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,200
hit a grand Slam. You cannot
take that away, Rayphiel. It does

472
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,319
not come off the board. Just
don't tell me that you knew how to

473
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,319
do it, or you did it
on purpose? If you did it my

474
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,079
boxing analogy Olive Roam called closed his
eyes and landed a shot on Lennox Lewi

475
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,200
and knocked himut, became heavyweight champion. But he didn't do it on purpose.

476
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,880
He took a he took a shot
in the dark, and he happened

477
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,559
to land on the gin. So, so a couple of I'd rather be

478
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,799
lucky than good, Yes, that's
correct, and so and he was,

479
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,200
and I know what you mean by
that, but he was more than lucky.

480
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:10,799
He was definitely still from a stamina
standpoint, he was and this is

481
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,359
what I keep coming back to.
He still had legs, he still had

482
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,599
punch in the tenth round, in
the eleventh round, he wasn't worn out.

483
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,400
And it's a twelve round fight and
he gets the win. All right,

484
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,960
So you know where I'm going with
it. Well, two things.

485
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,440
First of all, overall, did
you believe that the job that Harvey Dock

486
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,039
did, Because there's a lot of
controversy around the job that he did,

487
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,119
and many people believing that he was
giving Devin Haney way too much slack,

488
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:37,880
taking the point away, not penalizing
him for holding when he was flopping around

489
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,359
with no legs late in the fight, tenth round, eleventh round. Did

490
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:48,119
you believe that Harvey Dock's job was
good, average, bad overall? How

491
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,200
would you assess it? Because there's
a lot of debate going on. Sure,

492
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,519
I mean, as somebody who has
watched Harvey Dock referee plenty of huge

493
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,880
fights for a long time, I'd
always thought extremely highly of him as a

494
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,160
referee as well as as a p
having met him on several occasions in New

495
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,039
York for fights I have been to, and also in Vegas as well.

496
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,759
Very even tempered, very even Keel
doesn't try to make it about himself,

497
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:14,319
you know that type of thing like
some some guys do. I think when

498
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:17,599
Harvey goes back and looks at the
fight, he'd have to admit this was

499
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:22,200
not my best night. Now,
I explained to you my thoughts about the

500
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,200
point deduction. I didn't agree with
it, but I get it. I'm

501
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:32,839
not even the other times when when
HAINI was on the mat, Like honestly,

502
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,119
I went back and looked at some
of those I couldn't tell if it

503
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000
was a knockdown or a slip like
it looked like it go either way.

504
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,680
So he's the guy standing right there, so I kind of got to give

505
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,079
him the bene of the doubt.
The one thing that did make me irritated

506
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:48,880
about the way he handled the fight
was the lack of the warnings or any

507
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,720
kind of serious punishment for the constant
holding on behalf of Handy. Just because

508
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:55,839
he's hurt doesn't mean you can't penalize
it, because it's still a foul.

509
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,480
To continue holding is part of boxing. What's doing it to the excess is

510
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,920
not. And let me bring this
up. Go back and watch the fur

511
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,400
I'm saying to the audience, not
to you. Go back and watch the

512
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,200
first half of the fight. I'm
not talking about once or twice. I'm

513
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,000
talking about fifteen times in the first
six rounds of the fight, and it

514
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,039
may have been twenty or more.
Where Devin Haney scores comes to follow up,

515
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,160
and what does Ryan Garcia do.
He bear hugs him, He grabs

516
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,119
him around the head, he grabs
him around the upper body, over and

517
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,039
over and over again. And I
thought in that first part of the fight,

518
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Harvey Dock did not get control of
the fight and did not say to

519
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,000
Ryan Garcia, if you keep doing
that, I'm gonna take a point away

520
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,799
and then take a point away to
get that part under control. So it's

521
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:48,039
almost like it was loosely officiated for
the entire twelve people. Now Hany's doing

522
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:55,039
it later in the fight and holding
and grabbing for dear life. So some

523
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,759
people are making it seem like he
was somehow doing something to favor between you,

524
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,200
and in fact he was favor.
I mean, I'm not saying he

525
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,599
did this on purpose, but it
appeared as though both guys got benefits.

526
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:07,440
Yes, And also there was a
time where when Ryan did grab him and

527
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,480
try to turn to the side,
he started whacking him with the right hand

528
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,119
into the into his flank, numerous
body shots. I think it was in

529
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:16,799
a six round maybe, and he
didn't say anything because that's a legal punch.

530
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:22,640
Your hands are freeing. And Garcia
not once, but Garcia probably more

531
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,160
than a half dozen times, kept
turning his back. Yeah, kept turning

532
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,519
his back and pinches and again that's
not allowed. And that's something that Harvey

533
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:34,319
Dock again should have probably not should
have, should have gotten in control of

534
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,279
and said stop doing that, because
I can stop the fight if you keep

535
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,960
doing that. If you're turning your
back you're putting yourself in jeopardy. You're

536
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,279
not defending yourself, which is the
creed at the very beginning of the fight.

537
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,279
So I think the criticism is warranted
that he didn't have control of that

538
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,359
fight early on. For the holding, plutching, grabbing that Garcia was doing.

539
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,279
Again, I'll be slightly critical.
Those guys did a tremendous job.

540
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:59,359
But Chris Mannix said, I don't
you know, I don't understand what the

541
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,759
what the warning is for holding about
the fifth or sixth round, and I

542
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,039
kind of said, you should be
saying he should be warning Ryan Garcia stop

543
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,160
grabbing him around the head and around
the neck every time he comes in in

544
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,319
the first five or six rounds,
because it happened over and over and over

545
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,920
again. Now that the not determine
the winner. What determined the winner was

546
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,559
the big left hand, the big
left hand scoring the knockdowns and scoring enough

547
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,400
points to get the decision win.
All right, So we've gone on about

548
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,039
this a lot. You know,
we're to go next with the future.

549
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,920
That's what I'm going right there.
What happens now? Because Garcia said after

550
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,920
the fight, if there's a rematch, it's got to be at welterweight,

551
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:42,599
I can't even make one forty anymore, so in your opinion, now,

552
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,000
with twenty four plus hours to digest
this one of that twenty four hours of

553
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,559
digestic what do you think happens next? And do you think we get a

554
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:55,039
rematch fairly soon in the in the
welterweight weight range that Garcia was hinting at,

555
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,119
or a catch weight what do you
make of all that? Well?

556
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,119
In the ring afterwards, both guys, you know, Hanie understandable said don't

557
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:04,319
want the rematch. He was overweight, I'm still champed, but we can

558
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,559
do it again. You know,
I gave him the shot, he should

559
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,840
give me the shot. That's the
general talking point whenever this type of thing

560
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,199
happened. So I genuinely believe that
Haini would like to have the rematch,

561
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,000
and he knows that he's capable of
doing certain things against Garcia, and obviously

562
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,559
I think he'd be much more prepared
for the left hook, knowing now what

563
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,679
it feels like, having you know, been dropped by it multiple times.

564
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,320
Garcia was like, yeah, let's
run it back. But I don't think

565
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,000
he really wants to do that.
There are other bigger fights out there.

566
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,199
For him. Frankly, I'm not
saying that the rematch can't ever happen in

567
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,960
the future. It still will be
in his back pocket. It will still

568
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,159
be in attractive fight that a lot
of people will want to see. Obviously,

569
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,920
part of that will have to see
what the pay per view numbers come

570
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,280
up with, you know whatever.
You know, kind of weeks out over

571
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,480
the next several days, as the
numbers start to come back, you know,

572
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:47,719
we'll see about that. If it
was a huge, huge hit,

573
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,280
you know, that made it easier
to make a rematch. If it tanked

574
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,360
and did no business, that's a
different story. So I don't I don't

575
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,280
think that in good conscience, I
couldn't hear her tell you the rematch will

576
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,159
be next. I don't think that
will be the case, Not to say

577
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:06,079
that it can't happen down the road. Ryan actually was very interesting, you

578
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,000
know, asked about his future,
he did make the point. Look,

579
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,400
even when he moved up to one
hundred and forty, he did make the

580
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,199
point. I never even thought,
really at one hundred and forty, I

581
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:15,239
always fought like at one forty three, because he wasn't fighting in title fights

582
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,320
or eliminators or anything like that.
He actually said, I had a vision

583
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,480
of going up to one p fifty
four knocking out Sabashian Fandora because I think

584
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:27,480
I can do that just to grab
a title and no offense to Fondora,

585
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:29,400
you know, shout out to him. You know, he gave him respect,

586
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,079
but he's like, that would be
you know something interesting. He talked

587
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:35,840
about how he fought big, tall
guys and sparring and knocked him out and

588
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,639
that sort of stuff. I'm not
sure what six foot six guy he ever

589
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:42,280
sparred with, but the point is, tell me you wouldn't be interested that

590
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,800
He's see Fundora against Ryan Garcia obviously, So there's gonna be a huge amount

591
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:52,400
of possibilities for Ryan because he can
fight, you know, a little below

592
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,159
welterweight. At welterweight, he talked
about junior middleweight. There's a lot of

593
00:35:55,159 --> 00:36:00,599
talent, a lot of action in
and around those weight classes. So he'll

594
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:01,639
be back, I'm sure at the
end of this year for a second fight

595
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,800
this year. It's a matter of
what weight's he gonna fight out. I'm

596
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,159
assuming it's gonna be welter wait,
and there are big fights now. Oscar

597
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,400
de la Hoya's promoter from Golden Boy
was there with him, actually showed up

598
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,800
at the press covererence this time because
his guy won instead of getting knocked out.

599
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,760
And Bernard Hopkins was there also,
who happened to somehow there was a

600
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,480
security risk after the Tank Davis fight, but there was no security risk at

601
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,360
Barclay Center at the post fight,
even though it was all the same group

602
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,000
of people at the post fight.
So you know, take that for what

603
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,440
you want. But the point is
Oscar, and Oscar knows all about this

604
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,320
because he was in this position when
he was the face of boxing. He

605
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,920
was the biggest pay per view star, and he was the man that everybody

606
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,400
wanted to watch and everyone wanted to
fight. And he did make a valid

607
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,159
point. He goes, you know
what, Ryan is going to be the

608
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,400
one to call the shots, and
he explained the reason why, because if

609
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,400
you want to make money, you
can come fight Ryan Garcia. Because there's

610
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,079
no doubt at this stage of the
game. If you fight Tank, if

611
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,320
you fight Ryan Garcia, if you
fight Tank Davis, if you fight certain

612
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,880
guys, you're gonna make those big
paydays. If you fight Canelo Alvarez,

613
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,880
and those are guys that call the
shots and those type of man. So

614
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,480
if he wants to fight at a
catchwaight, fine, if you want to

615
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,000
fight at one forty seven, fine, But whatever they fight, it it's

616
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,360
going to be Ryan's call. He's
calling the shots, saying, you know

617
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,199
what, the winner, you know, gets to write the history, so

618
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,480
to speak. Right, if you
do the team that wins, you know,

619
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:15,800
if you win the war, you
write the history. That's right.

620
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,039
And so Ryan Garcia gets to call. You win the championships, you get

621
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,199
the parade, you get the rings, and in boxing you get the belts

622
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:22,920
and you get to call the shot
on the next fight. Now, my

623
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:28,800
question he still he still doesn't have
a belt. Well, that's true.

624
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,920
My question would be what do we
know about their rocky relationship and how many

625
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,079
fights are left in their relationship and
how does that effect what Garcia might or

626
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:42,239
might not do. I would assume
there's at least a fight left on the

627
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,880
deal going back and forth. What
do we know and how does how,

628
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,559
if at all, does that affect
things? Just real quick? Yeah,

629
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:50,920
I mean I don't I don't know
the number of fights. Obviously they got

630
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,800
along smoke, you know, very
well over the last while. They seem

631
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,800
very chummy. I mean, people
were joking around about for all of the

632
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,639
animosity that there appeared to be between
Oscar and Ryan, that suddenly during the

633
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,519
media workout in the week, you
know, you've got Oscar in the ring,

634
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,239
down on one knee, tying Ryan
shoes like he's his uncle or his

635
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,400
brother or his best buddy. So
you know, they're always gonna probably have

636
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,519
a love hate type of situation.
There's always gonna be volatility there, there's

637
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:22,480
always gonna be the the drama.
Ryan and Oscar are two high maintenance kind

638
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,800
of guys, similar kinds of personalities, and sometimes I think Oscar sees a

639
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,480
lot of himself and Ryan and vice
versa, even if there's a lot of

640
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,199
differences as well. Obviously, Oscar
was a guy that not only was winning

641
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,400
exciting fights, but you know,
one in a zillion titles and was you

642
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,119
know, a pound for pound type
of guy for a while for a long

643
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,480
time. So I think they'll continue
to work together. For the time being.

644
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:45,760
They seem like things went well,
but you never know, you know,

645
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,119
the old saying and not just boxing
TJ and anything is everything is fine

646
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,599
until it's not. And for now
it's fine because he got the win.

647
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,360
Okay, so we gave you a
ton on that. I kind of like

648
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,320
the line from Todd Grisham going off
the year when they showed all the other

649
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,400
fights on the undercard, and I'm
paraphrasing, but I think this was pretty

650
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,760
much Yet who cares about the rest
of the fights that were on this card

651
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:12,000
because of the main event? And
part of that was because we said garbage

652
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,920
going into the weekend on these matchups. But let's do give it because this

653
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:20,360
is the fight freaks U nined recap. Let's give it a couple of minutes

654
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,480
here. Arnold Barbosa got his hand
raised in the co feature. I want

655
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:30,039
your feeling on that. We saw
a technical decision win for Beck the Bully,

656
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:36,840
but really the undercard Jimenez David H. Meenez was good against Scrappy Ramirez

657
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,119
in winning that title in that division
in that smaller weight fight. All right,

658
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:43,519
what are your thoughts on the undercard
real quick before we move on to

659
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,320
news and nostalgia. The other fights, Well, that fight that you mentioned,

660
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,159
the Scrappy Ramirez and in then as
that was the best fight of the

661
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,400
underhard but let's go in order.
From Barbosa in the co feature he was

662
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,960
matched up with Sean mccombey Northern Ireland, South pop with no reputation, nice

663
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,440
record eighteen and one, and obviously
Barbosa, in a second fight of a

664
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,320
three fight contract with Goldenway, was
obviously the significant favorite. And then that's

665
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,599
why they fight the fights, because
you have Macomb, who was a lot

666
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:08,119
taller, who was longer, who
did a good job with his jet,

667
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,559
who I thought control the fight from
start to finish. I thought he won

668
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,239
probably seven or eight rounds of the
fight. I heard them announce ninety eight

669
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,480
to ninety two. I'm like,
okay, he got the fight, and

670
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,239
that was one of the scores for
him, was ninety eight to ninety two,

671
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:27,119
so okay, And then they gave
the other two score cards ninety seven

672
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:29,559
ninety three, ninety six ninety four
to Barbosa, and I was like,

673
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,519
what the fuck are we doing here? That was just a bad scoring.

674
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:36,639
What are we doing here that that
somebody would score that fight and say that

675
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,960
Macomb only won three rounds ninety seven
ninety three, what he did? It?

676
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,159
Are we on? Barbosa just did
not win that fight. And by

677
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:49,320
the way, the most telling thing
ever in a boxing match when the bell

678
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,119
rings to end the fight, and
you see a guy basically walk back to

679
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,880
his corner with his head down and
they're not talking to each other. No

680
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,400
one's slapping anybody on the back.
There just putting their head down and there's

681
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,320
no emotion, there's no nothing but
a bunch of long faces. And they're

682
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,519
just going through the motions of cutting
his gloves off and taking the wraps off.

683
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,599
They know they lost that fight.
Yeah, and a fucking story.

684
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,079
And even Barbosa in his commentary to
the Too I think it was to Manics

685
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:20,840
in the interview, was yeah,
it wasn't my best performance. I'll be

686
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,400
you know, I'll do better next
time. Well yeah, okay, fine,

687
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,800
but you didn't really deserve this victory
that I thought was a disgrace.

688
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:31,199
It was terrible, terrible decision,
and Barbosa, in my opinion, showed

689
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:36,119
that while he is a solid fighter, he is not at the top level

690
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,880
of the junior walterweight division compared to
the guys that make the division so deep.

691
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,679
I'm talking about, you know,
all the top guys we saw with

692
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:47,440
with Haney and uh and Garcia and
Tiathimo Lopez and you know, several other

693
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,039
fighters in the division. Uh so, you know, Barbosa, you know,

694
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:53,719
I'm not sure what what what he
does coming off this one because that

695
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,960
was just a not a good performance
from Barbosa, and obviously I felt like

696
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,280
a terrible decision. Beck the Bully
gets the very bloody technical decision over Pere

697
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,800
Pierre. I'm sorry, Pere France. They had a bunch of head butts

698
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,239
in that fight. The Bombay was
actually better than I had thought he would

699
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,679
be based on him giving him a
lot of credit because that in their nasty,

700
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,239
awful gash in the second round from
a clash of heads, a butt,

701
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,719
whatever you want to call it.
And he fought on for like four

702
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,360
or five rounds and then Beck the
Bully on a clash of heads round his

703
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:30,159
left eye ripped open and they have
to eventually stop the fight because of the

704
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,639
blood flow. This is not what
happened in the Tim Zoom fight when it

705
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:36,519
went on for ten rounds. After
about a round, his corner said he

706
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,400
can't see. I mean, let's
go to the cards, and eventually they

707
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,119
go to the cards and the card
that list. The scoring of the cards

708
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,199
was fine. I mean he ended
up winning, like you know, seven

709
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,039
to one on two cards and six
two, I think. And the other

710
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,519
the thing that was that drives me
crazy is that they had to score a

711
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,440
round number eight even though like the
bell rang a couple seconds past they stopped

712
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,719
the fight. Nobody threw a qunch. I hadn't looked at that card.

713
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:00,960
I gotta believe they must have scored
that round even or something. How do

714
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,440
you give it to anybody? Nothing
happened. But here's more to the point,

715
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,519
and the more significant factor is ay, when the Bombay gets his I

716
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:10,960
healed up in the right fight.
I wouldn't mind seeing him again because I

717
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,679
thought he showed something. He didn't
win the fight, but he was.

718
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,920
He competed, and he competed hard, and he did so at a very

719
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,880
significant handicap because of the cut.
So we may never have heard of him

720
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,400
before this fight, but he looked
he was in great condition. Absolutely bring

721
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,320
him and see him in another solid
type of fight. As far as Beck,

722
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:30,679
you know, they've made this guy
out to be like some kind of

723
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:34,800
future killer. And again I'm not
looking to dump on him or anything.

724
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,760
As I said to somebody the other
night, I said the first time,

725
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,199
or I should say this the next
time, that Beck impresses me is going

726
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,039
to be the first time I have
watched him fight time and time and time

727
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,239
again, and I've yet to be
impressed by anything. He's got a little

728
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,760
bit of brute power, not a
lot of technique, you know. I'm

729
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,800
sure you know he hits like a
little bit of a sledgehammer. But I

730
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,760
do not in any way see this
guy as like a future of the super

731
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,679
midweight division at all. I'm sure
he's a lovely guy. I'm not wishing

732
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,480
that. I'm just saying I watch
him time and again and I just don't

733
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,400
see it. End of story.
In terms of Scrappy Ramirez and David Amenez,

734
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,880
that's a good upset for him Inez. I mean, Ramirez was the

735
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,320
guy that they were, you know, counting on, the undefeated guy with

736
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,920
the big personality. He fought his
ass off. There was a heck of

737
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,519
a fight. Yeah, entertaining fight, the most entertaining fight on the undercart

738
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:24,599
for sure. David is from Costa
Rica. Tremendous story. By the way,

739
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,920
our friends at bet us are based
in Costa Rica and a couple of

740
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,519
them we're talking about to me off
the year about Hey, Jimenez in the

741
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:35,320
ring for this world title fight.
I thought it was interesting what they were

742
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,639
saying. He doesn't have anyone in
his division or the next division up to

743
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,679
even fight in Costa Rica. There's
not another essentially professional fighter. He's got

744
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,360
to go fight outside of the country
because there's nobody else. So great,

745
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,760
he puts himself in a great suspicion
because he wins. He wins what was

746
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,639
the vacant WBA interim title at one
hundred and fifteen pounds, you know,

747
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,039
Mike Quaro with the WBA and with
Gilberto Mendoza. As they said they would

748
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:06,360
not use interim titles anymore other than
in the event of an injury, like

749
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,519
they did with what happened when Roly
Rameiro was out for a bit. But

750
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:14,239
this was done against their policy.
The reason that was given to me,

751
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,039
which I don't like, but I
guess that's way it's gonna be, is

752
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:22,360
because you got the WBA champion in
that weight class. Because Zuto Ioka,

753
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,719
who was supposed to fight Scraper mara
Is in a mandatory fight, who said

754
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,599
he had a hand injury, sent
a medical report. I don't know what

755
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:31,360
came of that. They wouldn't answer
me about it, and now suddenly he's

756
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,159
got a fight set against the IBF
champion, Fernando Martinez that's supposed to take

757
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:44,199
place July seventh in Tokyo. So
therefore the wbos WBA basically took the same

758
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,039
tack that the IBF took, which
is at the that the the unification will

759
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,400
trump the mandatory, but at least
in the IBF, when they allow that

760
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,440
happen, they don't let the mandatory
then go fight for an interim title.

761
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:59,280
So I feel like this is not
an appropriate interim thing. Uh, you

762
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,559
know, the WBC has done it
several times with their interim champions. It's

763
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:06,719
just annoying as hell, but it's
a great win for Jimenez, and theoretically,

764
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,320
if the Gauzudo, Ioka and Martinez
fight takes place as plant and the

765
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,519
winner of that fight is going to
have a decision to make about making a

766
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,320
mandatory of the WBA title, which
will come against Amenez, who fought his

767
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,480
asthmav. It was a good that
look putting all the politics in the nonsense

768
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,719
of the titles aside, because frankly, the fight wouldn't have happened if it

769
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,360
wasn't for that interim title. People
have to remember that we can dump on

770
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,519
the organizations all we want, but
they do help make certain fights happen,

771
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,800
and this would have not taken place
if not for that belt. But putting

772
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,960
the politics aside, Ramirez and Jimenez, they put on a very entertaining fight,

773
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,719
best fight of the undercart, and
you know, good luck to both

774
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,920
of them going forward. I definitely
want to see Scrappy again. Even though

775
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,480
he lost and Jimenez was like a
revelation. He fought a Heliba fight and

776
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:51,000
real quick. Charles Conwell got a
TKO win. We haven't seen him in

777
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,960
a while, and Sergei Davianchenko also
got a decision win. Quick thoughts on

778
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,519
that before. We sure it was
good to see Conwell back. He's a

779
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,000
very talented fighter, United States Olympian
in twenty sixteen, off to a tourment,

780
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,000
you know, a very good start
to his career. He's now nineteen

781
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,480
and oh his problem was he's been
he'd been off since like November of twenty

782
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,639
twenty two, had a lot of
management issues, switched promoters and and just

783
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,400
a lot of stuff that was going
on. And so finally he's able to

784
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,079
get back in the ring now he
signed with Golden Boy. He had become

785
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:20,119
a free agent, and they put
him up with Nathaniel Gallimore, you know,

786
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,079
a solid veteran who you know usually
makes his opponents work for the win.

787
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:27,119
Even if he doesn't win the fight, he makes his opponents, you

788
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:29,159
know, definitely know they were in
a fight. I guess as a way

789
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:30,599
to look at it's only been stopped
a few times, you know, but

790
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,800
solid dude. I don't know if
that belonged on the pay per view,

791
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,760
but it was good to see kind
of go back because he can definitely make

792
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,480
some noise in one hundred and fifty
four pound way class that you know,

793
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:44,440
with Charlow having been stripped to the
various titles or vacating the various titles,

794
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:46,559
there'll be some opportunity for him.
He's got a high ranking in the WBC

795
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:51,119
because when he won the fight back
in that November twenty two fight that I

796
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,880
mentioned, that was a WBC semi
final eliminator, So he's very high up

797
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:58,400
and in position to fight for the
final eliminator, perhaps even for a world

798
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,239
title. Obviously, Fondora's got the
That situation's got to play out with whether

799
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,480
there'll be a Zuober rematch. But
Conwall is in a great position Golden Bay

800
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,400
will keep him active and that dude
can fight. I mean he's a rough

801
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,360
time, He's a rough dude.
He's got some solid power. And I

802
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,079
feel like when I watched Charles Conwall
fight the guy that he fights, whatever

803
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,039
happens, know is they were in
a freaking fight. They wake up the

804
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:21,880
next morning sore all over because the
way he punches. And deviren Chenko was

805
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,440
the final fight of the preliminaries that
were not on the pay per view but

806
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,639
the free part of the cart that
they showed on the Zone and on YouTube

807
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,719
channel. This was his first fight
since the Fight of the Year candidate or

808
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,559
in some quarters they called it the
fight of the year, that really outstanding

809
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:40,079
fight that he had against Honeymongia,
that was just a great battle. Lost

810
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:43,880
that fight just because of a knockdown
in the final round of the fight.

811
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:45,719
So this was get back on the
horse, Golden boy. They're not his

812
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,800
promoter, but they owed him comeback
fight off of that contract and they match

813
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,079
him up with the well traveled journeyman
Vaughn Alexander, and Vaughn lost every single

814
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:58,079
round. Devin Chinkle won a shout
out ten round decision, but Vaughn.

815
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,559
You know, he had his moments. He fought okay, just not enough

816
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,199
to win the rounds. Sergey can
never put himself in an easy fight,

817
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,519
even though you look at the score
guardgency, Okay, it's a shutout situation.

818
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:10,199
Believe me. When that fight was
over, these both of these guys

819
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,239
knew they were in a rough,
tough battle. And hopefully Devin Chanko cann't

820
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,480
get himself back into another fight.
If they can maybe make him on gear

821
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:19,519
renatch down the road, whatever happens
between him and Canelo, that would be

822
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,639
excellent. But uh, you know
he's gonna definitely live to fight another day.

823
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,239
And there you go. All right, so we gave you a bunch

824
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:31,119
on that card in Brooklyn, New
York, where Ryan Garcia obviously is the

825
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,599
story coming off the weekend, all
right, some other news and then some

826
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:37,679
nostalgia because I ask him one other
question about sure you can go ahead.

827
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,360
Maybe we should do this on the
next bet Us show. We should handicap

828
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,719
how long he's gonna party after this
win? H what's the over under?

829
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,920
I don't maybe are we talking about
like days, weeks? Are we talking

830
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,880
months? On the overall? Any
weeks? Week? I mean right now,

831
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,360
he's got every reason to live it
up at this point because again he

832
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,920
got the win, and he deserves
the win. We cannot overemphasize enough Devin

833
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,679
Hainey was on a big time role, one of the best pound for pound

834
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,159
fighters, and Ryan Garcia put him
on the deck not once, not twice,

835
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:12,880
but three times and should have should
have, should have should have stopped

836
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,199
him on two of the occasions with
a full round to go. A tremendous

837
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,320
but in a fight, in a
fight where Haney was a prohibitive favorite in

838
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,119
terms of the betting, the members
and a lot of people, myself included,

839
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:29,199
and I don't apologize for this whatsoever, and never will. I'll die

840
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:31,159
on the hill that they didn't think
that Ryan belonged in the fight, not

841
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,519
because he's not a good fighter,
just because he had a lot of issues.

842
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,519
You and they box. Everybody's an
agree everybody wants to revise history.

843
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:44,079
His own people were fearful obviously of
what they were seeing. They had to

844
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,280
be, and yet he still found
a way. I did tweet this out

845
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,480
though, because we do this with
the handicapping. The Garcia decision prop paid

846
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:57,119
sixteen to one. If you had
it sixteen to one for him to win

847
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,119
by decision. It was eight to
one for him to win by knockout.

848
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,880
But incredible that he gets that,
gets that whin. I some news and

849
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,800
then we'll get to some nostalgia and
we're getting out of here. So in

850
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,440
the middle of this pay perview,
suddenly there was the official announcement through social

851
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,039
media for Premiere Boxing Champions and Amazon
Prime Video that they will have a pay

852
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:20,400
per view in June, June fifteenth. Rayfield, We're going to be on

853
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,639
a roll here for like the next
two months, every couple of weeks.

854
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:28,440
Good. So Gervante Davis is back
to fight Frank the Ghost Martin in the

855
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:35,360
main event for Davis's WBA lightweight title, and also David Benavitez in the co

856
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,119
feature, will fight for the WBC's
vacant interim light heavyweight title against Alexander Vodzick.

857
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,360
All right, so they made that
announcement. Your thoughts there, They

858
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,960
were trying to steal some of the
thunder I guess on at least socially,

859
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:51,039
but go ahead, Yeah, I
mean, actually I kind of disagree with

860
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:53,719
that. That sort of philosophy.
They really got buried by the Haini Garcia

861
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,519
fight. It was like like they
didn't send anything out. I sort of

862
00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:00,360
saw Leonard eller Bey on his social
media something about it. I didn't know

863
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,039
if it was real or not,
and whatever, I guess it was.

864
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,239
But the point was this was not
unexpected. The fact that Tank Davis is

865
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,840
fighting Frank Martin has been a well
established fact for quite some time. The

866
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:15,119
fact that Benavidez is gonna fight Vozik
has also been established for ages. So

867
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,840
the fact that they're doing the matches
is not in any way a surprise.

868
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,800
The date is not a surprise.
For a long time, it was sort

869
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,400
of are we going to do this
next PBC prime card? Is it going

870
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,679
to be on June fifteenth or June
twenty second. There was a lot of

871
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,880
back and forth. That might be
in Houston, it might be in Atlanta,

872
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,239
that there were some people that reached
out about New York. In the

873
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,239
end, you know, they went
back home to Las Vegas, to the

874
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,320
MGM Grand Garden Arena for whatever the
reasons are. But that's the next pay

875
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,880
per view card that PBC will do
post the Canelo Mongia fight. I am

876
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,960
told they will have some other event
in the month of Jun's that won't be

877
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,239
a pay per view where they'll begin
their non pay per view cards. That's

878
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:54,760
the plan. I think now that
they've got this one settled for the June

879
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,360
fifteenth, that the non pay per
view might wind up on June twenty second,

880
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,760
the other date that we just mentioned. And in terms of Tank against

881
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,760
Frank Martin, that's a solid fight. You can't really argue with that.

882
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,960
I mean, we all dumped all
over Frankfurt the way, not that he

883
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,199
didn't fight shot Corse Stevenson, but
the way that they handled it of him

884
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,039
agree and then backing out. But
he's got a great opportunity now against one

885
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:20,119
of the biggest names in boxing in
in Tank Davis, and hopefully we see

886
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,519
a good fight if he can rise
to the occasion. He's got skills,

887
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,440
not a big puncher. Uh.
Solid fight though, can't can't complain about

888
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,599
it. Uh. And in terms
of the undercard fight with with Ben Evidie's

889
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,079
look, David has headlined his his
own pay per view the last two fights

890
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,360
against Dimitris Andre and against Kayleb Plant, So he's now willing to fight on

891
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,760
this undercard. That definitely beeps that
up. And you know, say what

892
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,760
you want about Alexander vodes that he
did have a heck of a run where

893
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,679
he became the light heavyweight champion,
the lineal champion. He had gone to

894
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,840
Montreal, he had knocked out a
Donna Stevenson, ended his career, had

895
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,360
a fantastic fight with better BF.
I actually was at that fight. He

896
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,199
got stopped in that fight, lost
that was unification, and then he retired

897
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,599
after that fight. And doesn't that
he came out of retirement. He was

898
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,199
not old, was not shot,
didn't have a whole ton of fights,

899
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:06,599
and so he's won I don't know
what has he won two or three fights

900
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:10,639
ince Then he's part of that team
Canelo with Renoso and it's a great opportunity

901
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:13,840
for him. Also, we'll see
how Benavidez looks at one hundred and seventy

902
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,320
five pounds, and uh, you
know what when you get that level of

903
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,320
names on the same show, in
Tank and Benavide's and even though they're both

904
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,760
obviously clear favorites in their fights,
they're not being matched with guys that are

905
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,320
no good. Vojik is a is
a former olympian. He's a guy that

906
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,440
was a legitimate light heavyweight champion.
He fought quality opposition. Frank Martin.

907
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,039
We've seen his talent, you know, for the last couple of years,

908
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,960
before you know, he'd sort of
emerged with the Michelle Rivera win. I

909
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,800
viewed him as one of the top
prospects. I've seen him fight several times

910
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:44,360
and we'll see. So, I
mean so, I can't say on paper,

911
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,440
that's like a plus and that's that's
pretty good. When you got the

912
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,840
caliber names on the same show and
they're in what seemed to be reasonable fights,

913
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:52,559
I can't hate it, you know
what I mean. So, and

914
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:53,519
we'll see what else they add to
the show, and you know, and

915
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:57,119
see if they beef it up a
little bit more. I did not use

916
00:54:57,159 --> 00:55:00,480
the phrase, but it is the
truth. I'll use it here. First

917
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,840
fight since being released from jail for
Javonte Davis late last year, he's finally

918
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,320
back in the ring in June,
and let's see if we get a much

919
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,400
bigger fight from him late in the
year. In twenty twenty four as well,

920
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,679
he'll be off a fourteen month playoff
since he knocked out Ryan Mercia.

921
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,719
So we want to see bigger fights
from him. You got to have this

922
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,920
one first, all right, Now? When we left things Thursday night into

923
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:28,440
Friday. I was using the word
the phrase checkmate as the metaphor that it

924
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,519
looked like the Terrence Crawford fight with
Israel Madramov was not gonna happen. It

925
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,239
apparently now is done. Enlighten me
on what has happened since you and I

926
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:43,039
last talked for Crawford's challenge for the
WBA Junior Middleweight title that Madramoff now has

927
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:50,920
with this coming in August. Tell
me more about what we have ironed out

928
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,880
since we left things on our previous
pot. So on our previous one,

929
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:59,239
the way we left it was the
plans were for Madramov and Crawford to have

930
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:06,039
their fight August third in Los Angeles, but you had Jermel Charlow, as

931
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,679
the WBA champion in recess, assert
his privilege as that champion in recess to

932
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,960
get the next shot at the champion, which was Madrimov, who won the

933
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:19,159
vacant title that had been stripped from
Charlot when he was made the recess champion.

934
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,199
If you recall, it was not
that long ago on the card in

935
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:29,119
Saudi Arabia where Anthony Joshua fought Frances
Naganu that he defeated Magamed Kurbanov to win

936
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,639
the vacant title by a knockout.
Look good in that fight, and so

937
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:37,159
Charlo was gonna trump that as the
champion in recess. And Tom Brown,

938
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:40,880
who was the promoter of you know
TGB that handles all the PBC cards as

939
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,599
worked with Charlot for the last several
years, sent a letter to the WBA

940
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:50,159
notifying them that Jermel Charlot was asserting
that right and they wanted to have the

941
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:53,400
next shot against Magiamov. That was
on whatever, I forget what day it

942
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,599
was, but that letter. I
got a copy of the letter and that's

943
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:59,840
what it said. That was Wednesday
and Thursday, right what I might even

944
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,239
been Tuesday, whatever it was.
But the point is like the next day

945
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:07,239
or two days later, they sent
another letter to the WBA Championship Committee basically

946
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,280
clarifying saying that they want to fight
the guy. Jamal is coming out of

947
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,320
his sabbatical. He wants to be
back at one hundred and fifty four.

948
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,840
But they don't have a problem if
Terrence Crawford fights Magromov. So I spoke

949
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,119
to people that are directly involved with
the deal of the Magromov in Crawford fight.

950
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,760
I'm told to fight is signed,
sealed and delivered. And soon after

951
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,480
that was told to me, there
was a press release that was sent out.

952
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,840
They didn't name the fight, but
it I mean, just for a

953
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,360
various reasons, I know that it's
one hundred percent. There is a press

954
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,400
commerce on Wednesday in Manhattan to announce
this fight. Now, what's different about

955
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,480
this fight compared to your typical fight
announcement is that Crawford against Majumov. The

956
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:50,679
people who are backing this fight,
it's read Season, it's Saudi Arabia,

957
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:52,920
it's Turkey al Shic, It's that
group that's going to pay the money for

958
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,920
it. It will be their first
event in boxing that they do that is

959
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,039
not in Saudi Arabia, not in
Riad. They're taking the show on the

960
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,960
road and they're coming to the United
States the same way. They plan to

961
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,599
do some type of fall show in
London to bring an event to the UK

962
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:12,599
which potentially could be the next Anthony
Joshua fight. So these guys are not

963
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:15,360
fucking around. I mean, they
got a ton of money. They got

964
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,679
a guy in Turkey Alshik, who's
a gargantuan boxing fan. He's got essentially

965
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,639
an unlimited budget. That's with the
backing of the Saudi Arabian government. And

966
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,840
people keep asking, well, why
are they doing this? Do they want

967
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,960
to make money? And I've tried
to express this on a couple of occasions.

968
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,000
I'm going to do it one more
time. Done it. Well,

969
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,280
listen, this is not listen up
in the back go. This is not

970
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,000
about making money. Now, if
they make money, great, I'm sure

971
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:43,559
they don't want to lose money,
or they have a certain threshold they're okay

972
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:47,440
with. But this is the same
way you have a company and you spend

973
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,239
seven million dollars and buy a thirty
second commercial in the Super Bowl. You

974
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,760
want people to know about your product. You owe people will buy the product.

975
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,079
You want to get word of mouth. You want to bring a positive

976
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:01,159
light to your your product than what
you have to offer. It's the same

977
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:06,320
exact situation with Saudi Arabia. They
are putting on these big events sponsored by

978
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,119
read season. They want the public
at large to have a positive light on

979
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:14,840
the nation of Saudi Arabia, the
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Part of it

980
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,960
is because I think there are intelligent
people there who realize that the world is

981
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,239
not going to subsist on fossil fuels
forever, and that they need to find

982
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:25,400
some other way to bring in revenue, if that means bringing people and advertising

983
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:29,679
a nice vacation spot for tourists to
go to and have great food and great

984
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:34,039
culture and great concerts and great sports
activities and all that. That is one

985
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:37,639
of the things they're doing. And
also, and fair or unfair, a

986
00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,599
lot of people have been all over
them because of their certain things they've done

987
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:43,800
in terms of our politics and human
rights and things like that. That they

988
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,840
want to show the positive sides I
guess of their society and their government and

989
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,039
their country. And so that's why
they're doing this, to spread that word.

990
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,920
It's not about what's the return on
an investment or your bottom line.

991
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,719
So they are sponsoring this event,
I hope, and I'm fair sure knowing

992
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,440
the kinds of events that they've already
done, you know, because Crawford imagine

993
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,920
mob there's nothing wrong with the fight, but I don't know if that qualifies

994
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,159
as some mega fight. But based
on their past history, since they've been

995
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:12,719
doing these big events, you know, damn well, they're going to put

996
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,440
on a hell of an undercard and
the other thing is the rumor had been

997
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,400
and we don't know LA Coliseum,
and so we don't know if the Los

998
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,320
Angeles Coliseum with the USC Trojans played
football, and they've had the Olympics before.

999
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,360
I've had other events there. The
Rams played there for a few years

1000
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,039
till their stadium was ready. Don't
know. One of the people I spoke

1001
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,119
to about that, I asked that
because that was sort of the rumor,

1002
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,880
and I was told, and this
is the person that's involved with the literal

1003
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,159
paperwork, said that is not a
done deal. The fight will be in

1004
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:44,840
Los Angeles. The venue is not
determined, so okay, so we'll see

1005
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:46,800
whatever he's going to be in.
There's plenty of places in LA, whether

1006
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,599
it's the Colisseum or it's one of
the arenas Crypto or Forum or you know

1007
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:57,679
whatever. There's the important thing too
with the Crypto dot Com arena is that

1008
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,159
in July and August you're out of
season for everything Lakers, Clippers, La

1009
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,920
Kings that would have the arena because
the playoffs are all over in the new

1010
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,679
season hasn't started, so maybe it's
one of those you're dealing with whatever it

1011
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,639
might come there. A concert a
right mention, you know whatever, we'll

1012
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:15,159
find out soon enough with the press
conference coming later this week on Wednesday in

1013
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:19,639
New York for Terrence Crawford. That
leads us, my friend, to the

1014
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,880
nostalgia before we're done, and there's
lots of it. I never tire of

1015
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,679
talking about our first win. It
was twenty three years ago as we released

1016
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:30,840
this podcast Sunday, April twenty first, Sunday into Monday, Sunday night into

1017
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:37,920
Monday on the recap that Hassim Rockmand
became heavyweight champion with one punch and a

1018
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:43,880
huge upset in South Africa over Lennox
Lewis April twenty first, two thousand and

1019
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,639
one. You and I have talked
about this a couple of times, a

1020
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:50,960
couple of different ways. But refresh
because it was a shocker. It's the

1021
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,079
second time you referenced the first time
earlier in this pod when Oliver McCall knocked

1022
01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:00,320
out Lennox Lewis with essentially a punch, wobbled him in the second round,

1023
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,519
the fight was stopped. Now Here
we are a few years later and the

1024
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:10,519
same thing happens again with boom from
the rock. All right, nostalgic thoughts

1025
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:15,119
from you real quick. Well,
first of all, once you get past

1026
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:19,239
the Buster Douglas upset of Mike Tyson, it definitely is one of the top

1027
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,880
heavyweight upsets of all time, no
doubt about it. You know, you're

1028
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,000
talking about Lewis against against Rockman,
You're talking about Joshua getting knocked up by

1029
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:30,679
Andy Ruiz. Obviously you mentioned uh, you know, well, as I

1030
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,800
called it. The big one,
of course is Tyson McCall is a big

1031
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,880
one. I don't know if it
rises at the same level. And Lennox

1032
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,199
was not on Spink speach Muhammad Ali. Correct, That's what I was thinking

1033
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:40,960
of Ali and Spinks for sure,
So it's on. It's on the level

1034
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:45,840
like that. And the thing is
that threw such chaos into the sport because

1035
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:49,559
the the idea was after that fight, then there was gonna be a real

1036
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,280
movement to make to Tyson versus Lennox
Lewis fight, which obviously ended up happening

1037
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,079
ultimately, but it got put off
for a while while they went through all

1038
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:59,960
the litigation and all the nonsense about
forcing the rematch with the Rockman because Rockman

1039
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,480
tried to back out of it and
switch promoters and he signed with Don King

1040
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,199
and turned down the HBO money and
we could go cha. I mean,

1041
01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:08,039
I could talk about this for an
hour, which we all have to boil

1042
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:12,079
it down. Rockman was trying to
fight Mike Tyson. He was trying not

1043
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,599
to give Lewis the rematch. He
was eventually trying to fight Mike Tyson instead,

1044
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:17,239
and we've got the courts involved,
exactly. Yeah, right, Lennox

1045
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,679
Lewis. The bottom line it was
Lennox Lewis took in the federal court and

1046
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,000
he won. He didn't win.
He could you can't force the man to

1047
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:28,039
fight you. But what he won
was the judge basically told Rockman you either

1048
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,639
fight Rockan, you either fight the
rematch that you signed for in the contract

1049
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:34,320
with Lennox Lewis, or you must
sit. I believe it was first sixteen

1050
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,559
or eighteen months. And if Rockman
sits eighteen months after that knockout, he

1051
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,639
gets stripped of the title and you
know, his career goes down the toilet

1052
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:44,039
and there's no you no real way
to make the money or follow up and

1053
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:46,599
have the leverage that you did as
your champion anyway. So but the main

1054
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,400
thing was it was a thunderbolt of
the right hand that just knocked him out.

1055
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,199
And I've told the story before my
greatest pick of all time in a

1056
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:58,519
boxing match of picking Lenox to lose
that fight, and the reason why is

1057
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,159
because two weeks before and we were
Invegas, I was covering Hassim. I

1058
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:05,880
was covering a Nasim hahmt against Marco
Antonio Barrera, and the MGM Grand Garden

1059
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:12,039
Arena that was the host of that
fight was also used as the backdrop for

1060
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,960
the fight scenes that were filmed for
the famous movie Oceans eleven, which he

1061
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:21,840
happens during the boxing match. The
boxing match was a mock fight between Lenox

1062
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:27,239
Lewis and vitally clip between Lennox Lewis
and Vladimir Klitchko. I had gone to

1063
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,320
Vegas early to be on the set
because I was doing a besides covering Barrera

1064
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,599
and Ahmed. We sort of were
trying to kill two birds with one stone.

1065
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:39,000
The Clitchkos were there. They had
not yet made their names in the

1066
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,360
United States, so I was sent
to cover and do a big piece of

1067
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,400
that. It was really like the
first big newspaper story about the Klitchico brothers

1068
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,599
in the American media, So I
had already done obviously, arrange as well

1069
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:51,960
ahead of time. I basically spent
an entire day with the Klitschko brothers.

1070
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,639
Part of that day meant Rayfiel was
on the set hanging out with Julia Roberts

1071
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,320
and George Putting. Not really,
I'm joking about that, but I saw

1072
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,880
them anyway. But I was on
the set with the clitch Goes and we

1073
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,480
were in their trailer, and I
watched the fight scenes, and I've got

1074
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:08,519
my my movie prop credential for the
fight that I still have that I have

1075
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,119
hanging up in my office. Anyway, So the point is this, Lennox

1076
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,719
Lewis was there filming Hollywood movie scenes
two weeks or three weeks before he's supposed

1077
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,920
to be fighting, you know,
a heavyweight championship defense. Emmanuel Stewart,

1078
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,760
the Great the Great Man was there
with him and also wasn't really into the

1079
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,559
fight either. But what put me
over the edge on the pick was going

1080
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:30,639
back to like go walk to meet
up with the clitch Goes and their manager,

1081
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,519
and you walk past like the little
cafeteria area, and I was gonna

1082
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:35,239
grab something to drink, and there
was people hanging out and I see Lenox

1083
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,639
Lewis sitting there eating like like a
bag of dorito's. Basically, I'm like,

1084
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,480
the man is not training for a
boxing match, and so you know,

1085
01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:46,000
then then they are not focused.
Continued, Okay, so now Saturday

1086
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,880
morning of the Barrera versus Amid fight, they're having a press All the media

1087
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,360
is there to cover the fight.
So they have a press conference for Lennox,

1088
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,239
Lewis and Rockman, and they had
a dais and everything set up on

1089
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,960
the concourse at the MGM, and
they brought a big giant TV and they

1090
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,199
had Rockman joined the press conference via
satellite from South Africa, and I realized,

1091
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:11,639
oh shit, Rockman's already been in
South Africa for like three weeks already,

1092
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:15,840
He's been training at six thousand feet. He just looks like he's in

1093
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,639
unbelievable shape. He's talking a great
game, and Lennox is looking a little

1094
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:21,920
plump and eating doritos and filming a
movie and his trainer doesn't seem to give

1095
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:26,960
a shit, and I'm like,
this is like classic, There's no fucking

1096
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,679
a way he's gonna win this fight. He's not focused at all. He

1097
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:31,199
wants to be a movie star,
and Rockman is fighting for his life.

1098
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:34,119
And at that point, I'm like, you know what, I think he's

1099
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:38,599
gonna win. And sure enough,
he didn't look good the first few rounds,

1100
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:41,000
but then he landed the right hand
and as you say, boom goes

1101
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,599
a dynamite and out goes like Lewis. So but that when that happened,

1102
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:48,800
I can still remember Rockman running around
the ring, you know, screaming at

1103
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,920
the top of his lungs. No
more Lewis and Tyson. And what made

1104
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,280
it so kind of a weird situation
is because we're watching in the United States,

1105
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,800
you know, at ten eleven o'clock
at night as a live HBO broadcast,

1106
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,079
So that was designed for American prime
time, which meant the fight was

1107
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:08,079
taking place at about five o'clock in
the morning South Africa time. Now,

1108
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:12,159
as a coincidence, one of my
dearest friends in the world, Yep from

1109
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,360
high school. She and her husband
had relocated from the United States to do,

1110
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,280
like, I don't know, a
year or two assignment. They worked

1111
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:23,440
for a pharmaceutical company and they were
reassigned for this project. They were living

1112
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:28,199
in South Africa in Johannesburg, and
they had moved there probably about two or

1113
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:33,599
three weeks prior to the fight,
and I had been talking to one of

1114
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,760
the managers for Hassim Rockman, who
I was friendly with, so doing some

1115
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,480
kind of story or whatever, and
we were shooting the shit and he was

1116
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:44,719
joking around about like how nobody is
picking us. We're all by ourselves there.

1117
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,159
He like, they gave us a
bunch of tickets and we don't have

1118
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:47,840
anybody to give them to. I
guess that, you know, as part

1119
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,559
of your contract, they got maybe
like a dozen tickets or something like that.

1120
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:54,400
He's like, ah, we got
nobody. And he basically was like,

1121
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,159
I mean, I think he was
joking. He says, do you

1122
01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:59,840
know anybody that wants to go to
the fight? So it's funny you say

1123
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,079
that. You know, I have
like very close friends of mine who just

1124
01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:04,920
moved and I never get involved with
tickets. It's just not the right thing

1125
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,760
to do. But they just had
nothing to do with these tickets at all.

1126
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:11,039
He's like, So I told him
the story. I said, you

1127
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:14,199
know, I'll have one of my
best friends just moved with her husband to

1128
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,199
South Africa, like literally last week. He's like, do they want to

1129
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:18,600
go to the fight? And I
didn't think they did because these are these

1130
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,079
they're not fight fans either. They're
free to fight fans. They're not even

1131
01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:27,359
sports fans, like they don't even
basketball for like, as the old saying

1132
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,960
goes, wouldn't a left hook from
a fish hook. And I was like,

1133
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,079
you know what I'm going to ask. So I got in touch with

1134
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:34,920
my friend. I said, you
know, let me run this by.

1135
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:40,840
There's a heavyweight boxing championship fight that's
going to take place at this casino that's

1136
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,119
probably on the outskirts of where you're
living. They lived in a very nice,

1137
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:47,840
you know, kind of western area
of Johannesburg. Said are you interested

1138
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,920
to go? She's like, that
might be a lot of fun. We've

1139
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,079
never been to a sports thing before, we've never been to a fight.

1140
01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:55,840
Why not? So I explained to
her, I said, listen, just

1141
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,760
so you know, it's not going
to be like at seven o'clock at night.

1142
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,720
It's going to be at like four
o'clock in the morning. It's like

1143
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,079
that was even more enticing and interesting
to them. So I got them hooked

1144
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:06,640
up and they got two tickets and
they went to the fight at this like

1145
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:12,560
Carnival City was called this casino and
on the outskirts of Johannesburg, and I

1146
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,159
remember, uh, never forget this
is. I'm sitting in my living room

1147
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:20,720
or in my old townhouse in northern
Virginia. I'm watching the fight and she

1148
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:26,880
calls me from from her seat in
the arena. The fight is going on.

1149
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,479
While the fight is and I hear
the noise in the background and I'm

1150
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:31,960
like, what's going on. She's
like, we're having a great time.

1151
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,920
Who's winning? Like it's a score, like it's five to four, it's

1152
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,399
you know, a touchdown, it's
seven to zero. I'm like, no,

1153
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:41,119
no, no, no, you
have no idea was winning until they

1154
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,560
either announced the scores or you see
a guy get knocked out. So I

1155
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,560
was like, did you say until
you see a guy get knocked out?

1156
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,960
Yes you did, Yes, I
did. So now the fight ends and

1157
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,359
obviously Lennox Lewis gets drilled and Rockman
becomes the champion. It's like a whole

1158
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:58,199
big thing. And so I know, a couple hours later, they're on

1159
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:02,039
the way home and they called from
the car and I'm like, trying,

1160
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:05,439
like they had a wonderful time and
it was very exciting and it was sort

1161
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,800
of like a magic you've never been
to that kind of event you see the

1162
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,279
heavyweight title change hands. So I
was trying to explain to her the historical

1163
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:15,039
element of what she had just seen
of the heavyweight title not only changing hands,

1164
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:18,760
but in such a sort of an
unusual atmosphere of being in the morning

1165
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:23,720
in South Africa, and what it
meant and how big of a historical situation

1166
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,880
this was, and she just ate
that up. Her husband had a great

1167
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,159
time and it was like just a
quirky little thing that is a coincidence of

1168
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:33,039
a lifetime that they literally they never
even got rid of their allotment of tickets.

1169
01:10:33,079 --> 01:10:35,279
I think they just had a bunch
of tickets left over they couldn't do

1170
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:40,680
anything with. So that was I
have so many like crazy memories about that,

1171
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,000
that whole thing. And then going
to the office at USA today on

1172
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:45,880
the Sunday because we've worked on Sunday
because we didn't publish on the weekend,

1173
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,159
but we worked for Sunday to publish
for Monday of writing basically an extensive story

1174
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,960
about all the stuff that had gone
on and how Rockman was out of contract

1175
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,520
with Cedra Kushner because he didn't give
him the bonus in time before the fight,

1176
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,600
but he tried to give it to
him after the fight, and all

1177
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:02,920
the machinations of now he's going to
try to make this Mike Tyson fight.

1178
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:09,079
What a wild wild time boxing,
then wild time. And I continue to

1179
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:13,119
say this because you we go around
about this. I don't know of another

1180
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:17,720
instance, because a year later Lennox
Lewis got his title back with one punch

1181
01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:21,359
in the revenge fight. I don't
know of another example. There's not one

1182
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:27,960
in heavyweight boxing history of a champion
losing by on a one punch knockout,

1183
01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:31,760
and in the very next fight for
he and the new champ, he avenges

1184
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,840
it with a one punch knockout,
which is what Len. There's guys that

1185
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,520
have regained it, but not on
the one punch, not one punch KO

1186
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,560
and then turn around with a one
punch KO. Yeah, like both of

1187
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,600
for both decisions. That's right.
Andy Ruiz knocked out Joshua, but when

1188
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,680
Joshua won it back, it was
a decision. Yeah, you're right.

1189
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:54,239
I mean I can't think of one
punch KOs in heavyweight history or anywhere else.

1190
01:11:54,279 --> 01:11:57,279
Somebody else, somebody else that knows
the nostalgia better than Ray Feel and

1191
01:11:57,319 --> 01:12:00,880
good luck come up with one punch
and then avenge it with one punch in

1192
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,159
the next fight for both fighters a
year later. That's what happened. I

1193
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:08,199
two more and then we got to
go. It was twenty two years ago.

1194
01:12:08,319 --> 01:12:12,800
Then on Saturday this past weekend,
April twentieth, that Floyd Mayweather defeated

1195
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,159
Jose Luis Castillo. You talked about
this fight recently, massively close. Many

1196
01:12:16,319 --> 01:12:21,239
many thought maybe he lost, and
you even say here on the rundown is

1197
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:27,279
probably really the only controversial decision,
the most controversial decision of Floyd's career.

1198
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,920
Give me a little more on Floyd
Mayweather winning the WBC lightweight title fight with

1199
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,359
Jose Luis Castillo. I mean,
in terms of Floyd and controversy, I

1200
01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:39,960
mean, there are some people that
thought that the first fight with Marcus Maydonna

1201
01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:44,199
was kind of controversial. I totally
reject that that was only because people thought

1202
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,039
it was close, because it's the
first time they had seen in many,

1203
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:49,680
many years a guy win maybe like
four routes against Mayweather, so suddenly it's

1204
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,880
controversial. I mean, it was
a good competitive fight, but certainly Floyd

1205
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,319
was the winner on that fight.
But against Castillo, Look, I didn't

1206
01:12:57,319 --> 01:12:59,640
attend this fight. I was working
for USA TAY, but I don't remember

1207
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,560
why did oh I ended up watching
this on television. Watching on TV,

1208
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,079
I sported a draw one fourteen to
one fourteen. I actually went and at

1209
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:08,359
some point looked that up because I
kept the record of some of the scores

1210
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:11,720
I had for the major title fights. Castillo gave him hell that night,

1211
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,520
man, that was a very close
fight. Harold Letteriman on an HBO to

1212
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,479
my recollection had Castillo winning the fight. A lot of people did. There's

1213
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,840
the meme that I see all the
time when the anniversary comes up, that

1214
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,079
the copy box, you know,
definitely favored Mayweather. Although that's not the

1215
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,439
end. I'll be all to determine
who was the winner of the fight,

1216
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,600
but Floyd, even though he was
moving up from one hundred and thirty pounds

1217
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,880
division, where he'd been a long
time champion, he was the favorite against

1218
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,319
Castillo, who was at the time, or before he had become the champion,

1219
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,960
was probably best known as being a
sparring partner for Julio Cesar Chavez.

1220
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:43,079
As a matter of fact, when
he won the WBC lightweight title, he

1221
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:46,039
did so in Los Angeles against Stevie
Johnson, who was a consummate boxer,

1222
01:13:46,039 --> 01:13:48,800
and he went in there and he
basically beat him down for that not you

1223
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,279
know, not a not a knockout, but he just roughed him up and

1224
01:13:51,279 --> 01:13:54,880
just bullied him for twelve rounds.
I was actually at that fight. Who

1225
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,199
was my first ever fight in Los
Angeles? Who was the more? It

1226
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:02,159
was the afternoon of Deal La Joya
Mayweather one outdoors in Los Angeles. As

1227
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:05,239
a matter of fact, it holds
the distinction of being the last fight ever

1228
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:10,399
televised on the ABC network after all
those wide world of sports years. So

1229
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,039
he got that victory and started to
make his reputation. You know, he

1230
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,800
had the rematch with Stevie Johnson,
kept the title and was a very formidable

1231
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,079
guy, very strong as we know
from all the great fights he was in.

1232
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,439
And Floyd had a tough night that
night, and so he got the

1233
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,840
decision. He won a lightweight belt, and they had a rematch and he

1234
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,479
Floyd won another close fight. But
my recollection is that Harold Letterman, you

1235
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:34,079
know, who everybody sort of trusted
and that was one of the great judges

1236
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:38,880
of all time, had that fight
one fifteen to one eleven in favor of

1237
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:45,520
Jose Luis Castillo. You know it
was it was I often think to myself,

1238
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,520
what if Castillo had gotten the decision
and gave me whether the loss,

1239
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:53,760
it might have changed the way the
mentality that Floyd had of being much more

1240
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,880
strategic when it came to picking his
opponents, that maybe would have taken a

1241
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,399
few more risks. That look,
Floyd fought all the you know, the

1242
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,600
top name. I think the people
that quarrel with it is that they weren't

1243
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,600
always at the right time. Yeah, you've got a Shane Mosey on your

1244
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,359
on your resume, but it wasn't
when Shane Wood has his best. You

1245
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:12,000
know, You've got certain guys that
were maybe not at their absolute peaker in

1246
01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:15,359
the wrong weight class, et cetera. And so I've often wondered to myself,

1247
01:15:15,359 --> 01:15:18,439
would things have been different had Floyd
suffered the loss. He still could

1248
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,119
have gone onto the kind of greatness
he just wouldn't have finished his career fifty

1249
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:25,600
and oh, but he still could
have maybe had certain fights that people wanted

1250
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,520
to see at the time. But
so, you know, so so it

1251
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,880
happens, he thought Castillo, he
got the win, and we saw how

1252
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,000
the rest of his career unfolded.
All right, one more piece of nostalgia.

1253
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:39,479
It's eleven years ago. Moving forward, it was eleven years later,

1254
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:44,439
April twentieth, twenty thirteen, Canelo
Alvarez won the unified junior middleweight world titles

1255
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:49,800
WBCWBA belts with a win over Austin
Trout. You were not there. You

1256
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,479
do know the reason why you're not
there, and you even shared this last

1257
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:59,520
week. It had something to do
with young Ray Peel. So let's get

1258
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,479
to the fight for a second.
We've seen the big, mega events that

1259
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,479
Canelo Alvarez has taken part in over
the last ten years since this fight.

1260
01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:08,960
If you take a look at the
resume and the record of Canelo Alvarez,

1261
01:16:09,359 --> 01:16:12,439
this fight against Austin Trout was his
first really big fight. And I say

1262
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,840
really big fight because well a number
one, it was a unification. But

1263
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,359
even though Austin Trout was not like
some big superstar, but he was a

1264
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,680
very quality fighter. This was Austin
Trout who was at the time undefeated.

1265
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,560
He was a fighter that the Golden
Boy hierarchy did not want Canelo to take

1266
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,640
this fight. He insisted he was
his own matchmaker. He took the fight.

1267
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,279
Same thing he did when he fought
Aristoni Lara. He took a real

1268
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,039
gamble that night against Trout. A
lot of people thought Trout would win the

1269
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:34,680
fight, thought he'd be too much
for him. And this was a mega

1270
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,039
event. It was at the Alamodome. They drew like forty thousand people,

1271
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:42,000
and it was the first time Canela
fought that kind of a caliber, not

1272
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:44,960
only in terms of the significance of
the mout of the bout, but in

1273
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,880
that type of arena and with that
type of crowd, So it became a

1274
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,000
very, very big deal. It
turned out to be a pretty damn good

1275
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,000
fight too. Canelo won the fight. It was competitive, He did knock

1276
01:16:54,079 --> 01:16:56,760
Trout down in round seven, and
he did go on to win the unanimous

1277
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,239
decision. He unified the WBC and
the WBA titles at one hundred fifty four

1278
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,359
pounds. In his next fight,
he had the Monster fight against Mayweather.

1279
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,520
Without the win over Trout, that
Mayweather fight probably would not have happened.

1280
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:12,079
And so that was again. He
had fought some other quality fights and like

1281
01:17:12,119 --> 01:17:14,600
when he fought hoses Seed to Lopez
before that, they did a big crowd

1282
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,760
at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
He had fought Shane Mosey, who obviously

1283
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,159
was past his prime, but that's
a great name. You know. He

1284
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:23,560
had fought, you know, another
well known fighter named Cermin Centron that was

1285
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,880
in Mexico. So he had fought
guys. He had won the title against

1286
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,520
Matthew, had a few fights before
that and had been defending. But his

1287
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:34,560
first really big event was the Trout
fight on Showtime and in a big crowd,

1288
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,319
big deal, and you say,
Rayfield wasn't there. I was supposed

1289
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:40,479
to go to the fight, but
ended up not going to fight. But

1290
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,640
as it turnout, that fight was
on April twentieth, that was the original

1291
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,600
date that my wife was due to
give birth to our son. So obviously

1292
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,039
I was not going to As much
as I love Canelo, I love my

1293
01:17:51,039 --> 01:17:55,359
family more and so I was not
going to miss the birth of my son

1294
01:17:55,399 --> 01:17:57,720
for that. Now, as it
turnedout, my son was born a little

1295
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,880
bit early, about a week before
that. But the day that that fight

1296
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,720
happened was the day that we came
home from the hospital, or I think

1297
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,680
it was actually the day after we
came home with the hospital, And I

1298
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:10,399
have this vivid memory of my wife, who's been through having a kid asleep,

1299
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,600
and me in the afternoon that day, sitting on the couch in my

1300
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,600
living room watching Tyson Fury in his
American fight against Steve Cunningham at the Madison

1301
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,119
Square Garden Theater. Get knocked down
by Steve Cunningham, get up and win

1302
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:25,039
the fight with my son in my
arms. And then later that night,

1303
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:30,239
you know, once again sitting watching
Canelo Alvarez, you know, win the

1304
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,880
fight against against Austin Trout again with
a like a four day old baby,

1305
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:38,399
like in my arms. Not known
you were getting him ready early. I

1306
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:41,199
think that was going to happen the
rest of his youth and the rest of

1307
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,960
his livelihood. So I explained to
the people my boss at the ESPN Y

1308
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,239
I could not attend that fight.
They were cool, they understood, and

1309
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,520
they sent my good buddy, and
at the time my backup, I guess

1310
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:55,119
was the great Kieren mulvaney, who
went and covered in my place. Beautiful.

1311
01:18:55,119 --> 01:18:58,880
And now Canelo, who you just
talked to recently, here's a tease

1312
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,800
on this podcas cast feed you'll hear
Dan with Canelo. Canelo ready to headline

1313
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:08,000
against Timy Mongia here coming on May
fourth. In a couple of weeks stand

1314
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,600
by for that so great. I'm
thinking about that. But when you said

1315
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,640
that, it just made me think
to myself, boy, because I'm pretty

1316
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,359
sure I had an interview that was
translated that I had with him before the

1317
01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:18,479
Trout fight. I think to myself, in all those years since he's been

1318
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,079
at that level, like, how
many interviews I've had with Canelo Alvarez?

1319
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:26,079
Would you say more than twenty?
Oh? Yeah, I would you say

1320
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:30,119
more than thirty one? I mean, it depends on what counts. It

1321
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:32,319
is like when you see him and
you talk to him in the scrum,

1322
01:19:32,399 --> 01:19:35,439
is it once? I mean,
I've had a lot of interviews with Canelo,

1323
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,399
very very very many over the years, and he's been I have to

1324
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:42,760
say this, He's been an absolute
pleasure and a joy to cover in my

1325
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,159
experience, and he still gets it
and understands these things help the promotion of

1326
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:50,640
the fight. And it's gotten better
too because back then he didn't speak English

1327
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,600
and so it became a little bit
more complication to do the interview. I

1328
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,359
mean you had to go through multiple
translators. Then he got to the point

1329
01:19:57,399 --> 01:20:00,119
where you would speak in English and
he would understand what you say. But

1330
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:01,760
he didn't trink English back, so
then they had to go through that translator,

1331
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:03,640
and then it got to the point
where he really you know, to

1332
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,720
his credit and like a lot of
the Spanish speaking fighters have worked hard on

1333
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,680
their English as I like to joke
with them and they because they sometimes they're

1334
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,640
proud and they get embarrassed, like
you know, there, I'm sorry,

1335
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,680
my English is not that good.
And my line is listen, you're in

1336
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,720
You're You're English is a whole hell
of a lot better than my Spanish.

1337
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,520
Now. But Canelo, Now,
when you interview Canalo, he basically speaks

1338
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,600
perfecting. No problem. You can
talk to him like a regular conversation,

1339
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,640
no no issues at all, love
all of this. Okay, very busy

1340
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:35,359
show tons on Ryan Garcia's win and
rightfully so, uh we were we were

1341
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,600
uh wrong about that, but you
know what everybody else was wrong about that.

1342
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,680
Show me the people that were picking
Ryan Garcia'll win. Uh so we

1343
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,640
talked a lot about that. Gave
you a little fight news, gave a

1344
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,039
little nostalgia. Listen, my friend, it was a tremendous weekend. Great

1345
01:20:49,039 --> 01:20:53,159
stuff. And if the peeps enjoy
it again, uh, if they enjoy

1346
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:56,119
what we do make sure that you
rate us, review us, follow and

1347
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,960
subscribe on the podcast feed anything else. In closing, are we good?

1348
01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:00,640
Are we ready to have a good
week? Have you already have a good

1349
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,119
week? And then you know,
we got we got not a huge busy

1350
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:05,920
weekend coming up this week. But
then I guess, uh it gets real

1351
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,560
because uh, I'm gonna go out
to Vegas for the Canela Mongia fight.

1352
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,760
We're gonna have a big fight that
weekend. We got a bunch of other

1353
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,760
stuff coming up. A couple weeks
after that, we got the Undisputed Heavyweight

1354
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,840
Championship with Tyson Fury against Alexander Usik. Then we got what two weeks later,

1355
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,760
you got the uh undisputed light Heavyweight
Tedo with better BF and b BO

1356
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:25,159
plus the five versus five, that
outstanding card. And then we're gonna have

1357
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:27,720
more because we're coming after that,
not too far after, we're gonna have

1358
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,279
the Tank Davis come back, you
know, return to the ring with Benavidez.

1359
01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:33,359
I mean we were talking about,
you know we got before Canelo,

1360
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,319
we got our I guess right after
Canelo, we got the in away fight.

1361
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:39,760
You know he's back in action,
that's right. Uh, there's a

1362
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:44,800
lot of stuff going on. We
got tons tons on the way. Follow

1363
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,000
and subscribe on this big Fight Weekend
podcast feed. Uh and again you've been

1364
01:21:48,039 --> 01:21:50,600
listening. Here we come off the
weekend with the Fight Preach Unit recap,

1365
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,520
Damn Rayphiel, have a good week. Thank you my friend, you bet

1366
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,000
DJ, you too. I am
merely TJ Reeves. We thank you for

1367
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:02,079
finding us here on the prom as. We give you the full recap off

1368
01:22:02,079 --> 01:22:08,520
the weekend with the Fight for Each
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