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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your
host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for

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the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro has
been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for

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nearly a decade and has logged hours
in the field investigating the paranormal up close

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and personal, and now Open Minds
Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding

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the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome

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to Open Minds Radio. We have
a brilliant show today. Have you noticed

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I'm musing. I used to use
the word it's great and amazing all the

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time. Somebody pointed out, would
you use some different words? So I've

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got a whole list of wonderful and
astonishing, magnificent words to use to describe

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are incredible shows that we have every
week. And this week we've got an

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interesting topic and alternative to the extraterrestrial
hypotheses. Doctor Joseph Ferrell is gaining a

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lot of popularity out there talking about
some of the technology that the Nazis may

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have had that may have been developed
into anti gravitic crafts that are flying around

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right now that perhaps the Americans picked
up on Project paper Clip when they got

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all the German scientists, and essentially
he's saying that possibly Kecksburg and Roswell were

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crashes of Nazi craft as opposed to
extraterrestrial crafts. So we're going to be

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talking a lot about that. To
tell you more about doctor Ferrell, his

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doctor is in patristics, which doesn't
have much to do with the UFO Arena.

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He got that at the University of
Oxford, but since then he has

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pursued research into physics, all alternative
history and science and other strange stuff.

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He has several books, a few
books called The Giza Death Star, which

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he started in two thousand and two. These are alternative history and science,

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essentially talking about technologies that the ancients
may have had. Of course, we

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all know Giza and some of the
cool stuff there, and we all still

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wonder how the heck they build those
pyramids. But of course he's also printed

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several books on the Nazi secret weapons, and we'll be focusing on that end.

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I know there's a lot of history
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chat already talking about some of that, so we'll be talking about these alternative

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theories. So this ought to be
really interesting and I know it's going to

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be educational for me. I have
some information, well quite a bit that

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I've looked into this stuff, but
I still want to know more and I

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know this is a guy to talk
to to find out more about this.

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Coming up for Open Mind Radio is
a new time and location. We're going

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to be on at seven pm starting
three weeks from now on the thirtieth.

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Our guest will be Major Filer,
So this is going to be a great

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one. George Biler, who does
fileer files. He had some amazing UFO

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experiences that got him involved with this
stuff. Really cool, fun guy,

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so we'll be talking to him on
our first extended show. It's going to

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be commercial less for the most part
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longer an hour and a half,
kind of like those who have been listening

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to the show for quite some time, like the old UFO I think Tank

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show used to be. So a
lot of you guys have been asking for

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hey, we need longer shows,
get it out with the commercials. But

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I mean, hey, you got
to make some money in order to do

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this stuff. But we listened,
and we're going back to this format for

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you people. Other than that,
of course I've mentioned, and we'll probably

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have a commercial on coming up,
and that is the UFO Congress, which

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is going to be here in Arizona
this year at the beautiful Fort McDowell's resort.

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You can find out more at Ufocongress
dot com or Openminds dot tv.

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You can also while you're there at
open Minds dot tv see the UFO headlines,

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because there's UFO stories in conventional media
all of the time, and as

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usual, we have our news correspondent, Jason McClelland to tell us about some

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of those stories. Jason, Hello, my friend, greeting Zalaandro, Hello

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Phoenix, and hello world. This
is your Open Minds News brief for Monday,

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August ninth, twenty ten. In
his new book entitled UFOs and Water,

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Arthur, author Carl W. Fine
discusses the effects of UFOs on water.

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As the title indicates, based on
first hand accounts, the book explores

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the impact UFOs have on bodies of
water, the boats on the water,

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and the creatures living in the water. I'm fascinated by this topic, Alejandro,

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and it's interesting to see that there's
more research being done into UFOs and

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water or usos as they're sometimes called
unidentified submersible objects. We had Debbie Ziegelmyron

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move On Dive Team co founder,
and she was talking about how a large

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percentage of UFO sightings have to do
with water. And I know Carl is

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very popular. He did some UFO
files shows that were really popular and people

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are always asking what about those usos, dude. But the History Channel did

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a couple documentaries and he was a
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great. So and I've talked to
him recently and we're going to have him

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on the show now that he's got
his book done. He wanted to focus

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on that in August, he said, early September. He's there, dude,

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So we'll have him just a few
weeks. That's excellent. That's really

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exciting. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, me too. Cool,

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nice guy, funny guy. Get
ready for more UFO sidings. That's according

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to Professor Wang Sichow, a researcher
of the Purple Mountain Observatory of the Chinese

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Academy of Sciences. Thirty nine years
of UFO research have led Professor Sichow to

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believe that more major UFO sightings occur
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two, and seven. That would
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to keep your eyes to the skies
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suggests that the best months to observe
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pm. So, Alejandro, I
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July and August we need to do
the radio show outside. Yeah, a

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year from now it is on.
And of course, being out here in

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Arizona, we're gonna have to figure
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we're out there, other than alcohol, because of course, you know,

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you don't want people to say,
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know that's why you sell UFOs.
There are funny people here in Arizona who

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have outdoor air conditioners. Really,
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could have a nice setup. Yeah, but it's after ten pm. We'd

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had to change the time of the
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that. Oh, that's true.
Another batch of UFO files was released last

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week from the UK National Archives,
and what seems to be getting the most

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attention is a letter that alleges a
cover up by Winston Churchill. This letter

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was from a physicist and grandson of
one of Churchill's bodyguards, and was inquiring

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about an incident from World War Two
where a UFO allegedly shadowed a plane returning

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from a mission. The pilots even
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The letter writer's grandfather, a Royal
Air Force officer, supposedly overheard Churchill speaking

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about the incident with Dwight Eisenhower,
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of the Allied Forces. So concerned
over mass panic, Churchhill ordered the incident

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to remain secret for fifty years.
Pretty cool, Yeah, I mean it's

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I heard from my mom who heard
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hand, but uh, and third
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down the line. But actually,
you know, on the site of the

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UK files, they promote a guy's
book, doctor David something rather I forget

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there his name, but he's a
very conservative usually he's kind of a spokesperson.

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He actually said of this account,
it rings true, and he thinks

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it's probably true. And this isn't
the only thing that's been mentioned about Churchill

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and these files that have been released
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story, but it's essentially that's this
is the funny part. They told this

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guy essentially, well, all of
the records prior to sixty seven were burned

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because the people didn't have any interest
in him. And he said, anyway,

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Churchill has already disclosed what he felt
about both UFOs, and essentially they're

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referring to this document where Churchill asked
about UFOs, he was given a document

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that totally debunked UFOs and said there's
nothing to worry about, mister Churchill,

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sir. And that's document they're referring
to. And that's the one that also

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came out and set of files about
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There's always interesting stuff in these files
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We got more at the website about
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more advice for humans move to space. He predicts that if we can't find

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another planet to inhabit, then humans
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and because of the aggressive nature of
humans. Hawking feels that our only chance

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for long term survival is to spread
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Hawking also advised against humans trying to
contact extraterrestrial life because he feels extraterrestrials will

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likely rate our planet. If you
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you'd like to move to space,
you might want to get started packing because

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with current technology it will take you
fifty thousand years to reach the nearest star.

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Wow, that's a long time,
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You would get like just down the
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we'll see with Virgin Galactic and these
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that's the key right there. Well, I hope whatever they come up with

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is not as dreary and ugly as
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it was a good show, but
who would want to live on this

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ugly looking freight. It's like a
dump truck in space, pretty ugly and

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dreary. Hopefully they come up with
some pretty and shiny all of though,

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the like the old Battle Star wasn't
bad. Okay, well you should voise

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your opinion and not Yeah, I'm
gonna write big low. Multiple UFO sidings

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were reported recently in the UK.
Several Colchester residents reported seeing objects in the

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sky, but the sightings appeared to
be of different objects. One witness described

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something that looked like a huge balloon
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something twice as big as the sun
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was sitting outside and saw a round
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lot of UFO activity in the UK, it seems, oh the UK.

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I think you know, when I
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every single story was from the UK. I mean, they've got maybe it's

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just that they're more apt to post
it, but so many sightings that they're

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reporting out there, and it's a
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Well, and if this is how
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next year in July and Augustly,
Molly, the next couple of years is

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going to be crazy in the UK
twenty eleven, twenty twelve. That's what

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Professor Wang Fitchow says. Yep,
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we'll see exciting time. Sightings are
crazy. And you know, as Nick

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Pope has said before, the former
Ministry of Defense UK guys taking all of

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these reports the reports are just off
the charts right now. Yeah, that's

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what's funny about the UK, just
not too long ago saying they're closing their

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department to investigate or to even take
UFO reports, essentially saying, if you

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want to report a UFO, sit
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because it's they said there wasn't much
interest, there wasn't much showing any

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national security problems. Yet it's in
the midst of the busiest reporting that's ever

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happened before. And like you mentioned, in those files, there's a case

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of a pilot the's a commercial plane
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craft. That's not a security issue, right. The illustration of that is

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really cool, by the way.
Yeah, Yeah, that newsite is a

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good job. That's it for the
news. Remember to check out these stories

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and more it open minds dot tv
your source for UFO related news. I'm

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your Open Mind's news correspondent, Jason
McClellan, and you've been briefed. Thank

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you. Open Minds News correspondent Jason
McClellan. Speaking of which, like I

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said, we have a lot more
of those UFO case files from the UK

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on our website and what's going on. There a bunch of cool stories this

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week, so check them out.
We'll be back after this break with doctor

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Joseph Ferrell nazi UFO. Stay tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with

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Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio
eleven hundred. Welcome back to Open Minds

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Radio. I did want to mention
also some exciting news. I know some

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of you who subscribe to the magazine
have been saying, where's my magazine because

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usually the August issue is out just
prior to August, but we're doing it

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the August issue actually in August,
so it should be hitting the newsstands hopefully

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this week, if not next week, and you should have got it in

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the mail if you're a subscriber.
If not, you'll get any second now

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and you'll notice it because it's got
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cover. Something our creative department dead. Eric McFarlane, an incredible artist that

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works for us, did a great
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It's an exciting issue too, because
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credible some of the science and hard
work that's been done by some of the

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best researchers out there. On that, speaking of one of the best researchers,

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I hear a lot about the Nazi
UFOs and doctor Barrell's work, so

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I'm excited to have you on the
show. Sir. Hello there, Hi

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Alejandro, Thanks for having me on. Yep, thanks for being on.

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This is a pretty hot subject these
days, and there's a lot and it'll

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be interesting to talk to you about, you know, a lot of possible

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mythology about what went on with the
Nazis and the occultist groups and all of

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that, but essentially just getting right
to the heart of it. If I'm

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not correct, you feel that Kexsburgh
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Well, let me put it very
bluntly and briefly. In the case

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of Roswell, yes, I do, excuse me. I have a book

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out called Roswell and the Right that
is a fairly extensive review of all the

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research on the Roswell case and then
my own examination of the Nazi technology and

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connection with it. As for Kecksburg, the case there is slightly different,

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Alejandro, because what we're dealing with
are a set of data points between the

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Kexsburg crash, what crashed at Kexsburg
and a Nazi technology called the dell,

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and let me briefly run over what
the data points are. In the case

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of the bell, we're dealing with
an object that is bell shaped that has

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dimensions of about nine to twelve feet
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In the Kexburg case, we're dealing
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In the case of the bell,
we're dealing with a device that had

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to be tested when it was tested
underground in a room lined with ceramic bricks

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that was covered with rubber mats.
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we're dealing with a device that allegedly
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a fellow by the name of Myron
that worked for a local construction company,

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was to take an order of ceramic
bricks to this particular hangar where this device

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had been stored. So we're dealing
with In the latter case with Kecksburg,

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we're dealing with a number of data
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a coincidental resemblance. And I put
coincidental in quotation marks with a resemblance between

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the two objects that suggest very strongly
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is a crash of some sort of
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And let's focus on the bell at
first for a minute. Sure this was

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a device. Do you believe that
this was something that was definitely a working

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model was built? Well, yes, definitely, And let me clarify what

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I believe this was. This was
a prototype or a gateway technology that was

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to have led the Nazis to three
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to the energy of the vacuum,
and the second would be to a field

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propulsion technology or as we would also
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And then the third thing they of
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the third thing that they were looking
for is a technology that would lead them

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to a kind of a doomsday weapon. So those are the three things.

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Now, it's important for me to
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that this device, according to the
various testimonies that we have from an SS

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general that was connected with it,
the device gave off such deadly deadly field

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effects that it was not, by
the end of World War II, a

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practical field propulsion technology. In other
words, they had made certain breakthroughs,

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to be sure, but we can't
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extent that this was something that you
know, people could climb into and fly

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down. Are you there, Yeah, I'm here. Oh okay, sorry,

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I was done. Okay, So
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then, that they built a prototype, but not something that could be manned

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and something that was extremely dangerous as
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to stress another point about this technology
that's related or associated with the Bell.

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I am not saying, on the
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have some rather advance saucer type technology. However, in that case, what

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we're dealing with, if you look
at the record very carefully, what we're

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dealing with is saucer shaped aradygnes that
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That's basically all they were. So
we're dealing with the Bell with something far,

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far beyond anything like that. But
they did have these other technologies,

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certainly by the end of the war. So and the people that worked on

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the Bell, is it possible or
do you have knowledge that those people,

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those scientists then did come to work
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Well, that's another very very interesting
and important question. Toward the end of

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the war, the SS murdered the
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The others went to different places,
and the argument of Igorvitkovski and Nick Cook

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is basically that the project came to
this country. I absolutely and strongly disagree

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because in my books, particularly in
a book called the Nazi International, I

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outlined the case that the Bell Project
itself and one of its leading scientists actually

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went to Argentina, where the Nazis
continued to work on this project after the

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war. And that's a very significant
thing, and I hope your listeners appreciate

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the significance of it, because what
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with an organized, so to speak, extra territorial Nazi state that is actually

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continuing to conduct its secret research independently
of any of the Allied powers that won

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World War Two. And it also
implies that they have a degree of organization

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and sophistication and financial backing to carry
out that research. And I realized that's

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kind of a whoppera of the statement
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that I outlined in the Nazi International. It's certainly worthy of some follow up

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questions there. So where would the
Nazis have gone to or do you know

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where they might have gone to continue
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you exactly where that project was continued. It was continued in an area in

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Rio Negro Province of Argentina, which
is centered around a town called San Carlos

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de Baroloch, which is approximately nine
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of Buenos Aires, so it's in
a very remote region of Argentina. It's

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close to the Andes Mountains and the
border of Chile. The project itself that

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I'm thinking about was conducted on Waimo
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there near San Carlos de Baroloce.
You can still see the ruins of the

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laboratories where this project was conducted,
so yes, you know, you can

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pinpoint rather exactly where it went.
The project was shut down by Juan Peron

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in nineteen fifty one under some rather
peculiar circumstances. But I believe that the

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nutshell at the bottom line is that
the Nazis simply moved the project elsewhere and

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we really don't know where they moved
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but it's anybody's guess where. Yeah, that's interesting because you know Argentina

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has a history of sightings. Oh
yes, We've written something about that,

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and I've had on a couple of
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one of our writers, Antonio hunez
On talking about that. And that would

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make sense because we know a lot
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definitely, And it's important to stress
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run of the mill Nazis. There
were some very top mass scientists that went

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to Argentina and continued these projects,
one of them being in fact, Ryan

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hart Horton, who worked for Juan
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jets for the Argentine Air Force.
So yeah, it's a very very big

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story. It's almost completely unknown in
this country. Yeah, that's really interesting.

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it in Argentina and Chile. A
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so I mean, oh, yes, changed you know how people look down

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there, Yes, yes, absolutely, particularly in the southern regions of those

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two countries. Absolutely so great.
So we're going to talk more about this.

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This is all super extremely interesting and
got some people in the chat who

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have some interesting questions as well,
So that's all coming up right after this

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break. You're listening to Open Minds
Radio and we're talking about Nazi technology.

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So stay tuned. This is Open
Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal

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researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome back. We're talking about

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not to UFOs on Open Minds Radio, a really interesting topic. I started

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thinking about my next question and before
I had finished talking about what I was

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saying, but I wanted to ask
you then. I guess if we moved

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into nineteen sixty five when Kechsburg happened, I mean, I guess that could

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possibly then be evident that the projects
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Yes, I think so. And
it's very interesting that you asked that question

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because one of the most interesting things
to me, Alejandro, is when the

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Kexburgh acorn is tracked. If you
plot the track, it comes from Canada

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kind of on a northwest to southeast
track, it comes down over the Michigan

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Peninsula and then down into Ohio,
where I believe certain witnesses see this thing

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stop and then it changes course and
crashes eventually, of course, outside of

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Ketxsburg, Pennsylvania. And it's always
been interesting to me because there's been persistent

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rumors. I haven't been able to
verify them, but there have been persistent

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rumors in some of the literature that
the Germans had some sort of base somewhere

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in the wilds of the Canadian Arctics. So you know, it's another little

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weird connection. Well, speaking of
rumored basis, one of the chat people

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had mentioned that they say it's well
known on Long Island that there's some sort

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of Nazi scientist based on Plumb Island, New York, Well that I'm not

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familiar with. There have always been
rumors that there was some sort of Nazi

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connection to the mom Talk project,
but you know, the mythology surrounding the

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mon Talk project has become so weedy
and overgrown it's kind of hard to separate

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fact from fiction. But as for
Clem Island, you know, I don't

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know anything about that, to be
honest with you, Well, I guess

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I was going to ask about Roswell, but we can put down on hold

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of sect because another question I wanted
to ask about was some of the kind

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of hazy mythology around this subject that
people in different secret societies had actually channeled

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the Nazi technology from Aldebaran and some
of these mythologies. That has been a

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persistent mythology, and I mentioned that, in fact, I discussed it at

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some lengths in my book called the
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And one of the problems I have
with this, Alejandro, is that number

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one, you do not need extraterrestrials
or channeled in for to rationalize the physics

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or the technology that the Nazis were
working on with this device. In fact,

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I lay out in Secrets of the
Unified Field, I lay out what

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I believe to have been the physics
papers, and incidentally, the engineering basis

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behind what they're thinking was you simply
don't need channeled information. The other problem

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that I have with that story is
that the story began to be circulated after

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the war and within a very narrow
circle of Neo Nazis that were gathered in

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and around Vienna and Munich in Germany. So you know, I have to

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question the source because that particular circle
of people were on the one hand,

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letting out information, but on the
other hand, trying to misdirect people's attention

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away I think from the actual basis
of this technology. Yeah, I mean

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there's a lot of debate that.
You know, some of these sources of

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information were supposed to come from a
real society, and yes, and like

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you and I tried to look into
it, it's debated whether they existed at

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all. Well, actually, the
real society did exist. There was a

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pamphlet. I have a copy of
it. As a matter of fact.

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There was a pamphlet published by that
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And the other testimony to its existence
actually comes from the German rocket sciences Billy

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Live that came over to this country
prior to the war. So you know,

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you've got the pamphlet, You've got
one of these German rocket scientists said

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it existed. But there the evidence
trail ends. There is no solid evidence

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that I have found yet that can
corroborate this story that someone in that society

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channeled information from Aldebaran. I have
not been able to corroborate that beyond the

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source that actually published it. Okay, got you. Thanks thanks for clearing

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that up. Then getting on to
Rosswell, you talked about the Nazi disc

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technology was jet turbine powered. So
is that what you believe crashed in Roswell.

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I believe it is something very similar
to that. And the reason why

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is one of the documents that the
Roswell researchers themselves have relied on through the

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years is the so called Shulgun Collection
Intelligence Collection Memo that General Shulgen of the

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Air Force Intelligence promulgated. I think
it was in September of nineteen forty seven.

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And if you read the context,
if you read the internal evidence of

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the document very very closely and carefully, you'll discover that the context for it

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is precisely the Roswell crash. Now, the document exists in two versions.

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Most of the Roswell researchers cited in
an unauthentic faked version where the actual the

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actual text of the document has been
altered to suggest extraterrestrial origin for the craft.

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In its original form, there is
no mention of any of that.

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roaring sound like exhaust coming from some of

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these craft and so on and so
forth. And the final clincher for me

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is the clear statement within this document
that the ultimate origin of this technology is

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precisely Nazi Germany. So the Air
Force knew, in my opinion, exactly

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what they were dealing with. And
you think, then this is possibly one

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of those underground Nazi problem. Yeah, I do. And the reason why,

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that's another excellent question. The reason
why is the only way that I

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personally can rationalize the kind of panic
that you see the military going into as

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a result of Roswell isn't because that
they have recovered something extraterrestrial. They've recovered

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something Nazi. Now, you know, put yourself in the political position of

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the US military two years after the
end of World War Two and the so

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called defeat of the Nazi Party,
it's something Nazi crashes in Roswell, then

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you really do have something that's going
to send them into kind of a tail

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spin. They're going to cover this
up because, for one thing, it's

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politically very very hot. You know, you don't want to admit that these

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people are out there somewhere, that
they're continuing this research and flying around our

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skies with impunity. That's just not
a story you want to get out there.

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So then what about some of the
the testimony to buys being actually recovered

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out there in rust? Well,
this is another problem with the whole Roswell

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story. And I get into this
whole you know, Roswell and the Reich

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of the book that just came out
this year. It's a five hundred and

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twenty five page book. It's a
very thorough kind of historical review of the

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actual research that's been done on the
case. Where's the best place for people

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to go purchase that? The best
place would be either Adventures Unlimited Press,

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the publisher that publishes if they do
have a toll free number, it's it's

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one eight hundred four four or five
EGS or something like that, four one

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five seven four one eight. If
they'll have to look at it. I

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can't, I can't remember right off
hand. The other place they can get

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it, of course, will be
online at Amazon or Borders or Barnes and

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Noble places like that. But in
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my problem with with the body story
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originally a part of the Roswell story. It takes approximately thirty years for that

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aspect of the story to come forward. And the second part of the problem

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for me has always been that,
with the exception of two witnesses who are

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now impeached by the Roswell extraterrestrial proponents, that those two witnesses alone described physiological

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features that would compel to the conclusion
that the bodies that were recovered were not

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human. So what we're left with
without these two impeached witnesses, what we're

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left with is the body of witnesses
who if you look at the details of

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what they're describing, they're describing small
bodies. In many cases they'll say they

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look like ten to twelve year old
children with large heads and so on and

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so forth. But if you look
at the descriptions of these bodies, there's

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nothing in them physiologically to compel to
the conclusion that they're actually extraterrestrial. And

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in fact, I think Nick Redfern
made a very good case that what they

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were describing may have been something very
similar to pegeria syndrome. So I'm not

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convinced, even on the bodies,
that we're dealing with something extraterrestrial. Okay,

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and then Jesse marcell I guess and
his statements. Do you think that

405
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the technology in these I mean disc
was so foreign that they wouldn't be able

406
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to recognize it? No, On
the contrary, I think that if again,

407
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you look at the documents very carefully
that are associated with the Roswell case,

408
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whether or not you agree with the
Magic twelve documents as being authentic or

409
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perhaps a bit of contrived disinformation.
And if you look at the authentic documents,

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the Twining Memo to General Shulgen,
if you look at General Shulgen's Intelligence

411
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Collection Memo, which are certainly both
authentic documents, it is very clear when

412
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you read these documents that the Air
Force is very very very carefully trying to

413
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dance around the Nazi technology issue.
But it's very clear that they know where

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this stuff comes from. Someone in
the chat asked, then why are they

415
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still trying to keep the Nazi secret? Because, for one thing, it's

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politically explosive to this day to admit
that there was an extra territorial Nazi state

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capable of carrying on research after the
war. That's politically explosive in and of

418
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itself because the implication is that they
might be continuing to this day to do,

419
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so you see that's the problem.
The second problem is I think a

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technological one. I think when you
get right down to it, most of

421
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this technology that we did get our
hands on is clear indicator enough that the

422
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Air Force would have wanted to develop
it and maintain secrecy around it. So

423
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I think that's one reason. The
other reason is is part of the technology

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that the Krem de la Krem of
the Nazi technology, which is represented by

425
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the Bell, we did not get
our hands on, and that is another

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reason for keeping all of this secret
because Okay, I want to follow up

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right, thanks for coming back.
You're listening to Open Minds Radio and we're

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talking about Nazi technology. Very interesting
show, and I've got to apologize to

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one of my coworkers, Michael Stratt, who had some questions and I forgot

442
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his list of questions. Sorry Michael. But if you're listening, which I'm

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sure he is, call in six
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444
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five three six nine and you can ask

445
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your questions. If you're not in
town, you're listening on the chat or

446
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something, you can call it one
eight sixty six five three six eleven hundred.

447
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Now, before the break we were
talking. You were talking about the

448
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fear that somebody else got the Nazi
technology. Who would that be. Well,

449
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I don't think somebody else got it. I think it remained in Nazi

450
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hands. That's that's the whole argument
I've been advancing through several of my books,

451
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and again it hinges around the fact
that this Bell device, the the

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Bell technology itself, which represents the
very pinnacle of Nazi research and technological development,

453
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This device remained in their hands,
and the aspects of physics that they

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were investigating with it they continued to
investigate independently, using Argentina as kind of

455
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affront. So I think this technology
remained in more or less independent hands,

456
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and the Allies and the Soviet Union
got all the basically got the crumbs from

457
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the table. Yeah, there's I
mean, some ideas that the Russians were

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able to develop something with the Nazis
that they had stolen away from Germany,

459
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But there doesn't seem to be much
indication of that, does there. Well,

460
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there is some indication that I get
into in ss Brotherhood of the Bell

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concerning some of their late war radar
experiments and the principle that the Germans stumbled

462
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onto in those experiments called phase conjugation, which is a very very important principle

463
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.840
in terms of modern physics, and
the Russians did get a hold of that

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radar team at the end of the
war. Now, what they did is

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what they did with all of the
rocket technicians that they got from Nazi Germany.

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They used them to seed their own
technological development. And when they were

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done with these technicians, they simply
expatriated them back to Germany or wherever they

468
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went. And in the case of
the leader of this radar team, it

469
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turns out that he went to Brazil
after the war and did similar work for

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the Brazilian government. I think you
have a case that can be made that

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this man, his name was doctor
Rikhart Hellman. I think the case can

472
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be made that he probably re entered
this post war Nazi international and did some

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work for that group of people in
Latin America. Well, lord knows,

474
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we certainly took advantage of our project
paper clips scientists or our entire space program

475
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is based off of their work on
the V two and Werner von Brunt and

476
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his whole group out there, right. So do you feel that then the

477
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some things you had mentioned that the
Americans have built on this technology as well?

478
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Oh, yes, absolutely, I
think it's very clear and let me

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get into some of the reasons why
when the Bell project that was continued in

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Argentina was eventually kind of inadvertently exposed
by Juan Peron. What happened was the

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scientist in charge was placed under house
arrest, where he remained in Buenos Aires.

482
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But the US Air Force about two
years later, this would place at

483
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circa nineteen fifty four, the US
Air Force, in his project Paperclip Files,

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which I reproduced in the Nazi International, got a hold of this man

485
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secretly and interviewed him secretly. And
it's very interesting because right about this same

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time, if you have been following
the research of Nick Cook, annie gravity

487
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discussion disappears in the open literature.
And it's also at about this same time

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that the American physicist Thomas town Brown
pitched his project winter Haven project to the

489
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United States Navy, which of course
was nothing but a project in anti gravity.

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So I think we have a clear
indicator that the Air Force in this

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country was reacting to the fact that
this man down on Argentina had continued all

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of this advanced research and we did
not have it. So I think there

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got gotcha. So that's when our
technology began. After yeah, I think

494
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so. I don't think that there
was a direct seeding of this field propulsion

495
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Nazi technology into American industry. I
do think that there was a reaction,

496
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:50.800
perceptible reaction on the part of the
Air Force to create our own homegrown version

497
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of it. Gotcha. So,
then if you feel that there's this Nachi

498
00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:00.840
contingency that continues to this day,
do you think they are still more advanced

499
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.199
and perhaps what the Americans have Well, let me put it to you this

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way. The Nazi international after World
War Two was literally a wash with cash,

501
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and they moved a lot of this
at I think probably a very heavy

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price tag into Western banks in London
and New York and essentially laundered that money.

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So I think you have to look
at the potential now of some sixty

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plus years since the end of World
War Two, and the fact that you

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have an organization that the wash with
money, that was certainly capable of pursuing

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its independent research after the war,
and extrapolate from that what the possibilities might

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be. Got cham interesting? So
and why do you think then some of

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the other governments of the world would
put up with the Nazis continuing? Well,

509
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.840
for one thing, that's kind of
a twofold question. If you go

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back to the period immediately after World
War Two, the reason would be it's

511
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simply impossible at that point in history
to figure out exactly where all of this

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stuff flying around our skies is coming
from. I'm sure that they had a

513
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.800
good idea, but you know,
Argentina and Chile, Brazil, those were

514
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fairly large regions of the globe,
so it would be very difficult for them

515
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to have pinpointed with any exactitude in
the days prior to satellites and so on

516
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:37.599
and so forth where this stuff was
coming from. In modern times, I

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think we're dealing with something different because
I think you have to look again at

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the track record of this post war
organization. It was very very adept at

519
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:55.039
penetrating and ingratiating itself with Western intelligence
agencies and offering its services for some of

520
00:43:55.079 --> 00:44:00.320
their clandestine black operations. So I
think the other part of the problem is

521
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to expose it is really to as
far as the Western Powers are concerned,

522
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is really to weaken their ability to
gather intelligence and to conduct these covert ops.

523
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.000
Got jam So it's kind of a
handshake type of thing. Well,

524
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:20.880
yeah, exactly, The big question, and some of the people of course

525
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.960
are asking in the chat, is
do you believe any of what we do?

526
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:29.360
You believe in the extraterrestural hypotheses.
Yes, I do. I'm not

527
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.519
philosophically opposed to it. However,
I want to make very clear I am

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not a eufologist. My interest is
not to prove or disprove extraterrestrials. My

529
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:46.280
interest is solely in the arguments that
can be advanced for advanced human technology.

530
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.199
I'm certainly not opposed philosophically to the
extraterrestrial hypothesis. Well, you know,

531
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.920
one of the things when I saw
your information, when you started coming out,

532
00:44:54.920 --> 00:45:00.400
I thought euphology would be really kind
of upset and and buy it and

533
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.719
you know, not treat it well. But it seems like just the opposite

534
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.880
that you've been well accepted. I
always hear good things about you from the

535
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.599
community. Do you feel that you
have been attacked by euthologists at all?

536
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:20.880
Well, not so much attacked,
but ignored. It's an interesting question,

537
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.239
actually, and I really haven't reflected
on it, to be honest with you,

538
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:30.920
before this, but I have been
invited to UFO conferences. But this

539
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.760
year, of course, is the
year that Roswell and the Rice came out,

540
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:38.679
and you know, it challenges a
fundamental part of the extraterrestrial creed,

541
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:45.920
so to speak, and the silence
from the uthology community thus far to that

542
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:51.960
book has been almost overwhelming. It's
been deafening. There's been one or two

543
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.760
little reviews here and there, but
the reviews don't really amount to much of

544
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.800
a review of the book, but
more kind of a subtle attack on me

545
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:06.360
that uh I, you know,
it's hard to gauge what the reception now

546
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:12.599
of the upology community to me.
Well, Michael wrote our review on your

547
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:16.079
book for our magazine coming up here, and I know he loves your work

548
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:22.119
and your book, so you definitely
can look forward to a good review there.

549
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.119
Well, that's good and interesting enough. A Roswell local this year at

550
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.239
the Roswell Festival kind of spoke about
this subject and I didn't get to see

551
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.880
his talk unfortunately, hopefully i'll get
to see it soon, but he talked

552
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.239
about kind of some of the work
that you've done. Well, I'm glad

553
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.880
I got that question in because I
just got the signal we're almost out of

554
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.440
time. It is Adventures Unlimited Press, where you could get the book.

555
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:52.440
The phone numbers eight one, five, two, five three six three nine

556
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.519
zero. And they carry a few
of your other books, right, Yeah,

557
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.840
they carry most of my books as
matter of fact, and they even

558
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.880
carried my book to have been published
by another publisher, so they can they

559
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.159
can certainly hook people up with them. Great, well, thank you so

560
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.039
much for being on the show.
We'll have to have you on again where

561
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:14.079
I can get through Michael's questions.
Okay, thanks Alero, thank you.

562
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.159
All right. Next week on the
Shore, we got great George Lebono,

563
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.119
and it's a little bit different.
We'll be talking ets the whole time.

564
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.000
He's got a show called Alien Mind, The Thought and Behavior of extraterrest Drills.

565
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:30.119
So that's what we'll be talking about
next week. So you're definitely going

566
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:36.199
to want to join us. And
we'll be right here on Open Minds Radio.

567
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.920
Still nine o'clock, still on CAF
and X so be here, people,

568
00:47:40.920 --> 00:48:02.519
I'll talk to you later. Keep
forget it smooth summer, I don't

569
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:10.679
sound bleak counts. See if you
watch your feet, the cracks and pass

570
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:30.719
I sall alien hober like a whole
movies for the folks back home