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Well, we are ready for another weekend.

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have you and we're ready to preview
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I'm just ready to do the podcast. I know absolutely. I'm glad

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that you're back. I'm glad that
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the hotel room. And I had
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that you're in the same hotel room
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Jolla fights seventeen years ago. It
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he wants to fight next? Right? Come now? Loo? Yeah?

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You know what? Well, no, and we can discuss I discussed this

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with Edgar and we can discuss it
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of the show. Why I think
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September fight against Canelo. And you
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there at the Canelo Mongia fight and
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we can all agree if he does
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promotion. All right, there's a
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preview. Give you a little news
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again I'm a little screwed up.
We've already done this, but we're doing

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it here for the podcast audience.
Vasilli Lomachenko, George Cambosa's This is Sunday

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afternoon, Perth, Australia. Top
Rank and ESPN have it for Saturday night

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in the United States, late night, Saturday night. And again, somebody

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walks out of that ring barring a
draw. God forbid that. I just

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say that. Somebody walks out as
the IBF lightweight champion, a belt that

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both of them used to hold previously. So let's get right into it.

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They've had the final press conference in
Australia. Lomachenko obviously multi division world champ.

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Cambos has had three of the belts
before Devin Hainey beat him, not

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once, but twice. This is
in Australia, his home country. All

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right, Dan pick it up from
there. We're interested to see what happens

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this weekend, Sunday afternoon in Australia, Saturday night, US time. Well,

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I'll just briefly correct you. Lomachenko
never actually held the IBF belt.

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He was in a unification with Lopez
Tiafimo to try to win that belt.

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That was the belt that t Timo
Lopez help when Lomachenko had the lightweight titles,

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he held the WBA and the WBO
and then obviously was not able to

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and then the WBC franchise. Nonsense, but whatever. He didn't get a

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chance to win the IBF bel because
he lost that fight to Tafimo. So

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if he wins the fight against Cambosis, he'll pick that up and he'll added

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to his lovely collection of loss and
lots of belsit he's won during the course

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of his brilliant career. This is
a fight that became available for them to

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fight for this belt because when Devin
Haney, who was the undisputed lightweight champion,

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decided to go to one hundred and
forty pounds and challenge Regi's program for

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that belt last fall, obviously he
gave up the lightweight belts. This is

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one of those belts that became vacant, and so they're finally getting around to

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filling the vacancy in Perth, Australia, where Cambosis is from Australia. I'll

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obviously the fans rooting for him.
The government in Western Australia wanted to bring

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a big event of boxing event and
this is one that they chose to bring

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to try to drum up interest in
tourism to their part of the country.

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So they've got a big crowd there
and you know, listen, they put

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together a nice card. It's you
know, it's at the end of the

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earth in Perth, Australia, but
for those of here in America and everywhere

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else, you just pop on your
TV or and you know, you can

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watch it on ESPN Plus and just
watch the show. But this is a

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great opportunity for both of these guys
because Lomachenko is desperately wanted to get another

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title. He's coming off of a
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title, including the opportunity to try
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Devin Hainey back May of last year. He lost the unanimous decision, but

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I mean, we can all remember
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I scored that fight a draw.
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should have been the victor that night
and had his hand raised and become the

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undispeted lightweight champion. That's the one
thing in his career that has sort of

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eluded him. He's had unified titles, and he's won a bunch of belts,

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and he's won in various weight classes. The one thing he's not done

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is become an undisputed champion. So
this would be the first step towards trying

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to achieve that goal once again,
to get into position to fight for that.

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So he's traveling to the other guy's
home country. Remember back when he

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was supposed to fight, it was
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belts after beating Ta Fema Lopez,
and it was because of the war in

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Ukraine that he pulled out of that
fight and said, I got to stay

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home and I got to take care
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the war. And it was Devin
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to take his place, and so
he then fought Hany. Now he's getting

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an opportunity to finally fight to Cambosis, but obviously it's not for as much

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stakes because there was a lot more
belts involved in them time it didn't happen,

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but it is a fight that seems
like it was sort of destined to

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take place, and for Cambosis,
it's another opportunity. I mean, he

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got the you know, I've never
seen a guy, maybe since Hassim Rockman

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make more bigger fights and money off
of one singular great win like Lenox Lewis

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got knocked up by Rockman, and
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of getting a lot of big money
fights and opportunities and really never won another

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big fight the rest of his career. George Cambosis if you go back to

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twenty twenty one. At the end
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to pick up all the belts,
and he's lost two fights in a row

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to Devin Haney he barely won,
and a lot of people thought he'd lost

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against Maxi Hughes July of last year, and now he's back in another title

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fight. I have a hard time
seeing how it goes a lot different than

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the hany fights. I think Lomachenko
older, fair enough, but still a

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SUPERB talent, does a lot of
stuff, way more versatile, way more

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experienced, just way better in my
mind than George. And it's no knock

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on George. I like Georgie and
off a lot, nice guy, hard

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worker, comes to fight. Can't
argue with that. Not a knock on

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him at all. But I just
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Fimo Lopez is I mean, vasarily
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plus talent. Now maybe he's an
A minus talent given all this, the

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wear and tear in the time off
and everything. And I think George Cambosa

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is at his absolute best was maybe
like a B talent. So I still

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feel like Lomachenko. You know,
this is his fight to lose unless there's

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some kind of, you know,
freakish thing or there's an injury that we

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don't know about. But I'm looking
forward to seeing anytime Lomachenko gets in the

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ring. You know, I'm watching
the fight period. End of story.

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And again for Cambosa's you just wonder
does he have a big enough punch here

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in this Again, he did drop
Lopez in that twelve round decision win,

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but he couldn't really touch Devin Haney
over twenty four rounds, and there's always

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been a question He's not a big
knockout guy, so does he have a

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enough punch? So he also got
knocked down by TFMO Lopez in that in

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that victory, and like you said, he's only got ten knockouts in twenty

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one wins. And the reality is
when you look at the fights he's faced

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the best guys, he's not knocking
any of those guys. If you take

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a look at his record, the
best guys he fought, in no particular

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order are Mickey Bay, who had
a title for a minute, went to

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distance, Lee Selby, former featherweight
champion, went to distance, Tifi Mo

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Lopez went to distance despite them trading
knockdowns. Devin Haney goes to distance twice.

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Maxi Hughes went to distance. He's
lucky to get out of there with

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a win. So, no,
he's not a big knockout puncher. And

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Lomachenko was a devastating puncher as a
featherweight a little more so, you know,

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and similarly equal at one hundred and
thirty pounds, not necessarily a big

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knockout guy at one thirty five.
Where if you take a look at the

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record other than the fight where he
you know, he lost to TVMO,

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but he you know, he that
was a distance fight distance with Lou Campbell

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knocked out Knakatani. That was a
that was a great performance. Actually went

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to distance with Richard Komey, whose
chin has kind of been suspect. Went

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to distance with Jermaine Ortiz, went
to distance with Devin Haney. I mean

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these are his lightweight fights. Did
stop Anthony Krola, You got to go

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back back twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, he was stopping some guys. You

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know, had the great knockout against
Rhelinaris. But he's a good puncher,

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you know, he's got eleven knockouts, but he's in seventeen wins, but

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he's knocked out some quality guys.
So if there's a power advantage in this

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fight, it goes Alomachenko, probably
so. And again we handicapped a bunch.

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Another mention, go check out the
US Boxing Show for what our handicapping

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feelings are. There's little teas for
that. And again this is late night,

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Saturday night in the United States,
Sunday afternoon in Australia in Perth,

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Australia, Western Australia, remote location
there. But again they put the money

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up and they've got those title fights
also on that card. Andrew Maloney,

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one of the Maloney twins, is
now going for another world title, trying

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to in this case, win the
vacant WBC Interim Junior banhamweight titles. If

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that's not enough to reconcile. Pedro
Guivara is the Mexican opponent. Now.

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Interesting that since we were last here
on the Recap podcast, his brother Jason

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Maloney was beaten in a bandamweight ty
fight by Takai of Japan in a big

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time fight. We're going to talk
a little more about that here in a

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few moments but now the brother gets
a chance in the same well, I

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mean doesn't count. It's the same
week. It's Sunday in Australia. Five

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days later, the brother, Andrew
Maloney, has a chance to win the

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vacant interim title. Guivara a veteran
Mexican. He's been in with a couple

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of big time fighters. Maloney has
been in some world title fights. Give

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me a quick preview here of what
else we're going to see. Yeah,

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I mean, Wouvara held this title
a decade ago, and he's a good

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fighter, and as I've looked at
his record, and I watched his fight

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where he went basically straight up with
Carlos Squadros to try to win this interim

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title back at the end of last
year. That was a fight that was

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part of the WBC's convention. It
was a split decision. It really could

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have gone either way. It was
super close fight, good fight, really

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exciting fight. He's fought as heavy
as in the bantamweight division, and he's

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now going to be fighting I think
where he's much more natural, let's say,

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at one hundred and fifteen pounds in
the junior bantamweight division. But when

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he held the title. You know, he was a pretty good fighter.

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I mean he had wins over guys
like as an example, this is back

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in a junior flyweight top of fight. One of my favorite Japanese fighters ever

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all action. I call him like
the Japanese Daddie. But he won a

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bunch of titles and was in some
great fights. Akiri a Geishi, for

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example, he has a knockout victory
against him. He's got to win over

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like Gan again, Lopez that had
a world championship. So in his day

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at his best, you know,
quite a while ago, he was very,

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very good. But again he's had
a little bit of a resurgence.

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I mean he went really close in
a title fight where he lost majority against

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Taraji, who's emerged as probably the
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in the last few years. So
this is not like a walkover kind of

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fights. It's a tough fight in
my opinion. For you know, Andrew

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Maloney, who's not ever achieved anything
significant. He's been in some higher profile

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fights and had opportunities that had the
Wacky trilogy with Joshua Franco. But when

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you go straight up essentially with Carlos
Quadras who's still a very solid fighter in

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that weight class and has been in
with everybody, you know, including the

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great rivalry fights with Chocolatito and with
One Francisco Estrada and Sir rungby side.

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That's the reason, by the way, why this title is is available because

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when he fought Quadras and Quadras won
the interim title. Because of the layoff

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that One Francisco Estrada had had Quadras, you know, won the belt,

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Quadras is injured and so he's no
longer the interim champion. So they've allowed

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Wavara based on how close that fight
was to fight Maloney was high up in

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their rankings. Down Maloney, you
know, like you mentioned, he doesn't

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want to embarrass the family name because
his brother got licked in Japan lost the

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title, and you know, he's
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because as we recall, in May
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bad end of one of the most
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seen against Nakatani from Japan and challenging
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and that was just as bad a
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the fight. Then he finally and
it will be one thing if he took

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the knockout in round one, But
when you take eleven and a half rounds

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of punishment and then get absolutely drilled
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uh, you know, it's it's
that's a devastating situation. Was scaristically,

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it was mentally yeah, it was
scary. But he's bounced back and

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won a fight since then, and
so now here's another opportunity for him.

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But I still question how how much
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it's not like he's going in the
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He's going in with a very reputable
experience, solid pro who's been at

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the top, who's looked good in
recent fights. You know, this is

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like a talk. I mean,
I kind of guess. I mean to

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Maloney with the hometown advantage and have
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think with that victory that he had
in December, But you never know.

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And Guivara is not a joke.
So crazy shit happens in boxing matches.

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So there's no outcome in this fight
that would shock me, to be quite

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honest with you. There's another phrase
for a bumper sticker from Dan Rayfield.

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Uh here, what was my phrase? You said, crazy shit happens in

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boxing, right, a bumper sticker. Put it on a bumper sticker and

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we'll say, we'll see what happens
for those two bouts. There should be

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a good fight though, yes,
and Maloney is a good fight and Maloney

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is tough. Both the brothers are
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what happens there. Again. The
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Welsh, she's from, so we
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we go along in the chronology,
let's hear from Edgar Berlanga. You spoke

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with him earlier in the week.
Berlanga obviously super middleweight contender, been on

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the rise now with Mattroom Boxing now
would very much like to get in the

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mix against Canelo Albarez. How realistic
is that, Dan Rayfield talking with him

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earlier in the week on that subject
and more. Let's get to that conversation

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right now. Well, it is
my pleasure to bring into the podcast this

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week. Soboy who has been on
with us before, but we got something

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to talk about it is one Edgar
Berlanga, the undefeated super middleweight contender.

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Edgar, thank you so much for
joining me today. How are you?

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My friend, I'm good. I'm
good for everything is good. So I

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think it's pretty obvious you don't have
a fight coming up, but I know

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you hope to have a fight coming
up. You were in Vegas, uh,

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last Saturday to check out Canelo Alvarez, a lot of conversation that maybe

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Edgar Bilink is gonna get the next
opportunity to challenge the undisputed super mid away

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champion. I know you are a
ringside. Uh, just to start off

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with that, just give me your
impressions of watching Canelo do what he did

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in dismantling and winning a very clear
decision against himI Mungia and what was a

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very exciting fight. He actually surprised
me. I thought, I thought that,

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you know, if he wasn't gonna
knock him out, that he was

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in that being in deep waters,
you know, because of some effect that

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you know, Mungia is a guy
that he just has great conditioning and he

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throws a lot of punches, you
know, so I thought that will probably

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like wear it to him down throughout
the rounds, you know, sort of

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like what BiVO did to him,
you know, But obviously that wasn't the

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case. You know, obviously Bibo
is a much different fight event than Mugia.

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You know, Bivol was a guy
that moved in and out and do

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a lot of punches, you know. Mogia was you know, I feel

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like he just fights one way,
but kind of looked definitely surprised me.

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You know, he dropped him.
I thought he was gonna get him out

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of the arrogory. But he you
know, I feel like he couldn't.

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You know, I don't know,
I feel like he couldn't. I feel

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like if he did puss the break, like you know, at the gas

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on him, I think he would
have took him out. I mean,

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you tell me what you think about
this. My thought was maybe that because

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they had so much respect for each
other going into the fight, and that

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Canelo had made a big thing about
how he wasn't really that interested in fighting

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a Mexican opponent, but he would
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I thought maybe carrying him a little
bit and not embarrass him, especially at

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I think that I think, I
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that. I don't think, you
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after the day. I don't feel
like any fighter would carry somebody,

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you know, I think that at
that level is either killed or be killed,

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you know, at that point,
you know what I'm saying, And

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after the fight they could be buddy
buddies, you know. But I don't

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think he was carrying him at all. I heard that from a couple of

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people that they felt that that way
too, that he was part of that

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carry him. But I don't think
so. In the first few rounds when

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Mangia was having really good success where
the judges were giving him credit and he

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was out to see, uh,
maybe giving Canelo some problems with his jab

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and just you know, the fight's
just starting. Did you feel like maybe

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as you watched those first three rounds
prior to the knockdown unfold, that maybe

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that Canelo was in some trouble that
night. Yeah, I'm in a lot.

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I thought it was gonna be a
long night for him. Concept fuck.

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I was like, Damn, I
think it's going to be a long

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knife for this guy. Because I
was like, damn, He's throwing a

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lot of punches and you know,
Canelo wasn't moving his head, so I'm

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like, damn, Like he's a
veteran, he's supposed to be like moving

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or getting out about it, and
you know what I'm saying, And he's

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still right there. Just I feel
like like he was taking punches, you

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know, like a lot. So
we know we know that you. Yeah,

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we know that you want to fight
him. Obviously, you've been saying

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that. I've heard you say,
You've said it on other interviews. You

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obviously showed up to be at the
fight. What you saw from Canelo does

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it? Did it make you think
to yourself, like, you know your

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game that I Edgar Berlanga may not
have the experienced level of Ahima Mangia,

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but I can. I can beat
this guys, of course. And I

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got the experience. You know what
I'm saying. I do got the experience.

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I know with me. The difference
to me that my IQ, you

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know, it goes up once I
stepping up, once I step once I

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stepped once I stepped in in the
ring with somebody at that level. You

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know. I've been boxing for twenty
years, you know what I'm saying,

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So it's not like I started when
I was seventeen years old or fifteen years

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old. You know what I'm saying. I've been box since I was six

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years old, you know, and
there's nothing new to me. You know

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what I'm saying. I feel like
it's a stepping so for me to become

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great. You know, I got
the opportunity, uh you know, hopefully

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we get the opportunity to you know, so I could become a legend.

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You know, I could be the
first Puerto Rican superstar, you know Understudd

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male male champion representing Puerto Rico.
And that's I'm gonna be said down with.

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You know, after I'm done with
boxing, I to be there with

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with trinid Dan and Cooto, with
photo Benita as Machako Mantotor and the lisk

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goes on. You know, my
last name. I wanted to be legendary,

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and that's something that I'm chasing,
you know, is uh is you

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know, it's it's success, you
know, and just chasing legacy. So

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so if this were like a job
interview, Let's say and I said,

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you know, Edgar, you're applying
for this job as the next challenger for

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Canelo Alvarez. In a brief amount
of time, give me your sales pitch

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why you should be the next challenger
for Canelo Alvarez's titles. It's not more

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to just say, but the only
thing I can say is that. You

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know, it's Mexico versus Puerto Rico. I'm the biggest thing right now coming

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out of Puerto Rico. You know, I'm a I'm I sell tickets,

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I got the celebrities behind me,
I got the whole world bomba. So

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it's like and not just Puerto Ricans. You know, you see on the

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internet, I'm booming on that right
now. The Mexican fans are loving me.

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You know, people want this fight. You know a lot of people

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can't go off to social media,
but going on what's going on in real

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life. You know, y'all seeing
the type of love I've been getting in

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Vegas, you know, the whole
fight with me being out there. You

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know, people want this fight.
This fight is gonna sell. This fight

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is gonna be one of the biggest
fights and it's going to go down in

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history on the sport of box in
Mexico versus Puerto Rico. You know,

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you got a superstar Mexican fight and
you got a superstar Puerto Rican fighter.

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Yeah. I don't have a title, but that doesn't matter at this At

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this pointed, something in the boxing
world is about if you can fight and

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if you can sell tickets. You
gee, what I'm saying one thing about

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that you don't have a title because
he's got all the titles in the weight

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class. That's the point, there
is no Yeah. So it's like I

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couldn't fight, we couldn't fight for
the title for the last three four years,

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because I think that's how long it's
been holding them. You know,

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Well, I wanted to You brought
up a very good point though. I

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actually was interested to hear because I
saw some of the clips of you being

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like surrounded by the fans. You
know, when when you're in a boxing

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event that's as big as a Canelo
fight, obviously there's boxing fans from all

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over. So when you were interacting
with those folks at the MGM or even

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on fight night at the Timobile Arena, did you were these fans were the

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Mexican fans that you were interacting with, and we're showing they were all Mexicans,

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all Mexicans, And what were they
saying to you about that? It

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was saying there was actually saying that
they want me to beat on alone and

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that they're going for me. I'm
like, you believe them? That's crazy

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a thought of a set because I've
already had that before, like a couple

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of years, like point, but
Canelo for Caleb playing. When I walked

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in and the arena, they were
screaming because you know, I got you

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know, through the grapevine, I
heard that a lot of Mexican fans don't

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like Canelo, and I don't know
why, you know what I'm saying,

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I don't know why. I think
the guy's a great dude. You know,

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he represented Mexico, But you know
how these guys are. I got

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Puerto Rican fans that probably are going
for Canelo. I don't know. But

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you know that's just the matter.
You know, that's just that's just what

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it is. You know, it's
just squarter boxing. All I can say

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is that I'm a big job when
it comes to, you know, me

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fighting Canelo. You know, I
know we're gonna we're gonna shock the world,

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and I know it's gonna be something
amazing for the squorter box. So

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my impression is that, well,
I know how much you want to fight,

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you don't come at it from the
point of view of animosity towards Canlo,

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that you respect him, you admire
him, You just want the opportunity

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to fight him. Oh, of
course. You know, he's somebody that

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I looked up to since turn It. Bro. You know, he's Latino,

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you know what I'm saying. And
there's never been no animosity to him.

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Obviously, I've seen him at the
wayn I've seen his brother, you

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know, his older brother and his
brother. His older brother showed me mad

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love. You know. His older
brother was like that. He was a

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big, big, big big fan
of mine, you know. And one

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of his peoples that was in the
scene showed me mad love. You know.

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So at the end of the day, there's no animosity, bro,

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like that all I do all you
know what I'm saying, this is his

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boxing and a legacy, and obviously
you know we're gonna collect the bag.

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We're gonna make a lot of money. He's gonna make a lot of money

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with me. You know, people
think that all of that I'm gonna make.

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No, he's gonna make a lot
of money with me as well,

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because from I gotta hire them.
MOhm me. I got the whole Puerto

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Rico. That's gonna be support,
you know, and was better than in

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boxing to two countries going up against
each other. Well, I look at

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his record and at least from the
time where he became like a known tighter

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in America. I no, can't
speak for all of those early fights,

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but he's fought three prominent fights against
Puerto Ricans. The first time he fought

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on a major stage in America,
he knocked out Jose Miguel Cota, the

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older brother of Miguel, but he
got badly hurt in that fight. That

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was in twenty ten. In twenty
eleven he knocked out for mit Cintron in

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the fifth round, and then obviously
in twenty fifteen he had the Big Bega

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fight where he defeated by decision Miguel
Quota, one of the greatest Puerto Rican

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fighters of all time. So he
hasn't fought that any Puerto Ricans. So

403
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,559
tell me what you think about this. If edginar berlang is sitting there,

404
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,759
maybe wants to fight Edgar Berlanga next
because he just got finished beating up on

405
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,480
the Mexican and he really didn't want
to do it. So now what's better

406
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:25,359
to go from that to fight in
Puerto Rican? Yeah, exactly, you

407
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,519
know, And I got to get
back from my from my from my Puerto

408
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,599
Rican brothers for that, you know, right, now a party Quota and

409
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,200
the Puerto Rican assassin, like when
I when I call myself the Irish assassin

410
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,279
also, right, you know,
it comes with the sports. He was

411
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:40,880
saying he put Quota when Quota was
old, you know, so Quota was

412
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,279
the Quota was still the champion though
at that time. Yeah, but Quota

413
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,599
wasn't Quoto. What I'm saying,
he didn't catch Quota when Quota was was

414
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,240
young in fresh So when I examined
the weight class, and I think to

415
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,559
myself, and I do this very
analytically, not with a matter of bias,

416
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,640
who's going to get the fight with
Canelo? Tell me what you think

417
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,799
about this? I look at I
say he you know, he's probably not

418
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,799
gonna fight Jamal charl He didn't want
that in the first place, because everybody

419
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,720
knew it wouldn't sell on pay per
view and because of how badly his brother

420
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,359
did in all that business. And
now Jamal just got arrested, you know,

421
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,519
and he's got his own issues to
deal with. He's not fighting Errol

422
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:15,319
Spence, which was a possibility because
of what happened in Errol's last fight,

423
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,799
and he's out out of the picture. Even if he does go forward and

424
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,799
eventually there's a big fight with Terrence
Bafflin. It certainly can't happen in September

425
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440
because Terrence's scheduled for August. And
if you keep on going down the list,

426
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,279
he got a great contender like Christian
Mobility, but he's not known that

427
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:34,559
Edburg Berlin is. There's no need
for a Heimi Mongi a rematch. You

428
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,920
obviously are the mandatory in the WBO, not that that's the only reason you're

429
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,400
available. Presumably you fit the budget
for what they pay for Canelo opponents.

430
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:47,759
It is Mexico Puerto Rico. Like
you said, you're gonna talk a lot

431
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:51,160
of shit. How am I doing? What do you think about my point

432
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,920
here? That that's why I think
you get the next fight? Yeah,

433
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,759
of course he sho is gone.
The way he's talking, you already know

434
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,279
it. Where is it going?
And you know the fans and the hat

435
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,359
is are you know with with with
this going? You know what I'm saying,

436
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,160
Uh, it's just about us,
you know, just making the right

437
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,480
you know, the right play.
You know, obviously, negotiations you know

438
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,039
hopefully should be starting soon. You
know, he's not I know he's not

439
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,720
fighting Benavidez. I know he's not
you know what you just said with Crawford.

440
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,720
You know, so the only one
has on on the list is me.

441
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:22,200
Well, the reason I didn't even
I didn't even bring up Benavide's or

442
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,519
David Morrell because they've both made their
point that they've exited the way class for

443
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,759
the time being. Yeah, exactly, and then they moved up to him

444
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:33,039
seventy five. He's fighting June.
You know, I think Morel's flying June

445
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,119
or we're not, you know what
I'm saying. And nobody's really focusing on

446
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,240
Morell. You know, Morel's out
there and Vegas getting drunk, trying to

447
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:44,200
make a play happen. You know, so and so have their to your

448
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,279
knowledge, has there I know the
fight with Canelo and Mogie just happened,

449
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,599
But behind your scenes there's always the
business people trying to plan the next event.

450
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,519
To your knowledge, has there been
any at least contact, let's say,

451
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:57,880
made between team Berlanga and team Canelos. I'm gonna keep that on a

452
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,680
little, but just know that we
were so for sure. You know,

453
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,200
I don't want to really like toning
out there. Yeah, you know,

454
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,640
I got it, So, you
know, make sure that you know he's

455
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,559
gives to go, but yeah,
more likely. Yeah, just just you

456
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,920
know, people just gotta stay pacient, you know, and just get ready

457
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,720
for the big news. So I
will then I'll wrap it up with this,

458
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,079
Edgar in your mind, what do
you think are the odds let's say

459
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,319
that you get this fight. Is
it fifty to fifty? Is it better

460
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,000
than fifty to fifty? What do
you mean, like as out of one

461
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,119
hundred, Yeah, that they'll actually
select you and make a deal for you

462
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,279
to be the challenger for the next
match, which obviously he's gonna want to

463
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:41,000
be fighting on the September Mexican Independence
Day holiday. It probably like ninety percent.

464
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:45,720
You really think that strongly? Yeah, I guess we're gonna find out

465
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,359
and then not too just in the
future. Yes, yes, yes,

466
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,000
and whatever happens if it does,
if you do get the fight, I'm

467
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,839
pretty uh sure it'll be in a
fun filled, exciting week because of like

468
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,799
you said, all the hoopla that
will go on with any kind of Mexico

469
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,400
Puerto Rico well championship is going to
be entertaining fight. You know, we're

470
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,119
gonna definitely you know, obviously he
got he got bulls of a line.

471
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,839
I got bulls of a line too, you know. So, and I'm

472
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:08,839
Puerto Rican. You know, I
got that Puerto Rican blood of me.

473
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,400
So I'm coming to fight. I
know he's coming to fight. Yeah,

474
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,799
he's a legend, you know what
I'm saying. So you know it's sounds

475
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,880
for me to make my mark,
you know, and and go down as

476
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,119
one of the greatest Puerto Rican fighters
to have a you know, to have

477
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,000
a step in the in the ring. Well, I guess, like I

478
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,960
said, we're gonna find out pretty
soon, Edgar. As always, I

479
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:30,240
appreciate your time and I wish you
good luck with everything. Thank you brother.

480
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,799
All right, again, we don't
know what Canelo Alvarez is going to

481
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,759
do for sure, but Edgar Berlanga, for a lot of the reasons you've

482
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,200
laid out in advance and even in
the conversation there, it makes sense.

483
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,920
Then again, it's boxing, and
things that makes sense don't happen all the

484
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,319
time. But put a put a
bow on that whole situation. I would

485
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:55,279
say that unless there's some massive like
offer, let's say, from the Saudi's

486
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,000
to try to do, say Canelo, if Crawford wins in August and instead

487
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400
of Canelo fighting, it's the huge
money is there for fight at the end

488
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,440
of the year, some kind of
uh scenario that could potentially take place but

489
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,559
not is something that is is you
can definitely see happening that if he's going

490
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,000
to stick to the regular schedule and
fight as he did on Synco Demayo and

491
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:18,559
then follow up with the Mexican Independence
Day weekend in September. If you look

492
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,880
down the list of available because we
can't like just take you know, we

493
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,880
can't make Joe Calzaggi materialize the challenging
for the title or some other great super

494
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,640
middleweight. You know, we can't
have like the prime Roy Jones come back,

495
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,680
not a boxing video game exactly,
we can't create. So you have

496
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,640
to deal with the fighters who are
there in the weight class and who are

497
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:40,000
available and willing and interested in in
in fighting, and the price and the

498
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,880
money has to make sense. Yes, yeah, I mean for sure.

499
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,240
So if and again, as I
explained, I'll go through it just very

500
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,319
quickly. If you if you based
on the fact that he doesn't want to

501
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:55,119
fight Benavite's unless there's some crazy,
crazy offer, and then Benavitez is now

502
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,079
fighting at least in June in the
Soup in the light heavyweight division, as

503
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,519
is David Morrell. So there's out
of the picture. It would seem for

504
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,519
September, and you run down the
list the Jamal Charlotte fight for a lot

505
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:07,799
of reasons, it ain't happening.
I don't think we're going to get to

506
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,960
that in a minute. Yep.
There is no Aero Spence fight. Even

507
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,400
if the Crawford fight could happen,
it would be in September because Paris is

508
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,160
fighting on August third, So that's
a non starter for September date. And

509
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,279
he can just keep on going down
the group of guys. I mean,

510
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,599
is he gonna ask to fight,
say, for example, Christian and Billy,

511
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,920
an outstanding contender but totally unknown doesn't
bring a lot to the table,

512
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,680
name wise, right, Or do
you go with the mouthy Puerto Rican who's

513
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:38,079
a guy that can sell a fight
that is your mandatory? Not that that's

514
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:44,240
why Canelo makes fights that it kind
of makes sense. You know. Berlanga

515
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,240
was respectful in the interview that I
did with him. He spoke, well,

516
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,920
you know, people know his name, yep. You know. I

517
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,200
also feel like he's coming off of
a beatdown of a fellow Mexican, a

518
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,759
guy that he never really wanted to
fight a Mexican. So what better way

519
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,240
to make him feel better than they
go be up at Puerto Rican because the

520
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:06,119
Mexico Puerto Rico thing goes back forty
to fifty years here in boxing, and

521
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,359
you would have that angle. So
I just think, I just think that

522
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,880
if everything sticks to like a normal
situation, which again it's boxing, you

523
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,359
never know that it that for a
lot of different reasons, it seems logical

524
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,319
to think that that would be the
probable fight. Maybe I'll be wrong,

525
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,240
but if you can come up with
a better name under a better scenario,

526
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,240
you let me know. Stay tuned. But good stuff there with Edgar Berlanga

527
00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,799
is why you gotta be with us
on the podcast feed. Be following and

528
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:34,200
subscribing. Okay, So in the
kind of in between region of our recap

529
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:41,519
podcast Sunday Night and now this preview
podcast the Monday Night in Japan Monday Morning

530
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,519
world title fight with the Monster Naola
in a way happened in his knockout of

531
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:51,319
Luisnari, but not without drama.
Holy cow, a big left hand from

532
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,440
Luisnary shook the Monster knocked him down, had him in some trouble. But

533
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,440
then, like like champions have demonstrated
in the past, now let's see what

534
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,599
you're made of. Well, we
saw what in a way was made of

535
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:05,920
for the rest of that fight in
the Tokyo Dome. So let's let's just

536
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,759
go back in the recap mode before
we get to the news. I know

537
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,559
we talked about this on the bet
Us show, but for our audience here,

538
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,880
let's recap it because it's still fresh. What the Monster was able to

539
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,119
do go ahead, Well, what
the Monster was able to do was overcome

540
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,880
the first knockdown of his career.
That was a pretty hard knockdown by Louis

541
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Near. He who hurts clearly.
Oh yeah, you know. Near's best

542
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,559
attribute is his punching power. I
mean he's always been a good puncher,

543
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,079
and he's a he's a real guy. I mean, he was a champion

544
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,480
in one hundred and twenty two.
He's a champion at one hundred and eighteen.

545
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,720
He's fought a lot of quality guys
only had the one loss coming into

546
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,480
the fight. I mean, no
joke, I mean real fight. I

547
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:44,440
mean public enemy number one, as
we talked about in the preview because of

548
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,920
his exploits and failing to make weight
and having a positive drug test in previous

549
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,440
fights in Japan that ended up getting
him a lifetime band, which obviously was

550
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,880
lifted in terms of the negotiations to
try to make this matchup with in a

551
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,160
way where you know, in the
the spectacle of this, forget about the

552
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,640
matchup was but the spectacle of having
his fight at the Tokyo Dome. The

553
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,680
only, the only other match that
ever took place here in terms of boxing

554
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,920
was the very famous, maybe the
most famous upset in the history of sports

555
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,960
are boxing anyway, when Iron Mike
Tyson got knocked out by Busser Douglason lost

556
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,599
the undisputed championship in the heavyweight division. So this was like a huge deal

557
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,880
and near he was talking the ship
before the fight, if that if Mike

558
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,559
Tyson can lose his undefeated record at
the Tokyo Dome, then certainly so can

559
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,000
Noia in a way and boom,
you know, a minute and a half

560
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,640
or two minutes into the first round, it looked like he might fulfill the

561
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,960
prophecy, but with a heart of
a lion and a championship mentality, and

562
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,720
in the ability that this man has
in a way, got up off the

563
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:43,680
deck and came back and got back
into the fight, scored a knockdown in

564
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:47,160
round two and at that point basically
took over the fight and scored another knockdown

565
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,839
later in the fight, and then
Boom goes to dynamite and landed another massive

566
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,960
shot that that knocked him out,
not cold, but clearly not in any

567
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,960
position to continue, you know,
just crushing knockout. And that's just what

568
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,680
inn away does. I mean.
Now guy goes to twenty seven and oh

569
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,199
with twenty four knockouts. What's his
record now? Twenty two and oher in

570
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:10,360
world title fights? Right, I
mean, the guy's been a champions fifteen

571
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,719
of the last seventeen or KOs.
While we were talking earlier in the podcast

572
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,760
about who knots who out, this
guy knocks virtually everybody out. Dan.

573
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,119
He's such a spectacular fighter, Like
I don't think that people appreciate it now

574
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,400
here us diehards in America, you
know, we're happy to wake up at

575
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,440
some crazy early hour on a Monday
or a Tuesday, you know when these

576
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,480
fights typically take place. This one
was on a Monday, and uh and

577
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,239
watch it's almost like a communal thing, like it's a secret. Like we

578
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
go with our little boxing group on
Twitter, all these different people and we're

579
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,159
all like watching in a way fight
at this whack yeah, or like you

580
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,880
know, you take a role call
who was watching at four in the morning

581
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,639
or five in the morning when the
card started. That's right, you know,

582
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,079
I kind of I find that fun. We've talked many times on the

583
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,760
show TJ about my my devotion and
love for these Japanese title cards, and

584
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,760
when in a Way is in the
main event and it's a beautiful thing.

585
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,639
I'm just glad that whatever happens,
I mean, I may never get an

586
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,199
opportun to see an in AWE fight
in person in Tokyo, but at least

587
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,159
I can say that I saw this
man fight live when he fought in California

588
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,960
in his American debut several years ago. He's fighting all the top guys in

589
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,360
his division. Near He was a
top quality, legit contender, former champ.

590
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,599
He knocked out to Paulus who had
a unified title. He knocked out

591
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,559
Stephen Fulton, who had the unified
title. He beat Paul Butler, who

592
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,000
had a title when he became undisputed
at Bandonwait, he knocked out Noniedo Dunair

593
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,719
in the rematch, which was a
unification fight. Nonito had the WBC title.

594
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,440
I mean, you got to go
back a little ways. He had

595
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,199
those two fights in twenty one which
were not against top names, which were

596
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,559
fights one in America and one that
was in Japan where you know he fought

597
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:37,559
maybe a little bit of a lesser
guy. But then go back before that,

598
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,320
he fought Jason Maloney, Yeah,
was a guy he just talking about,

599
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,639
knocked him out. Before that was
the first fight against Doniedo Dunair,

600
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,400
which was the fight of the year
in twenty nineteen. That went the distance,

601
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,000
but it was a great, great
fight. That's the only fight that's

602
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,960
gone the distance like in the last
seven years. And by the way,

603
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,039
before that, when he was in
the World Boxing Super Series, he knocked

604
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,039
out Emanuel Arrigez in a world title
fight and took his title. He knocked

605
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:04,639
out one Carlos Payano. It took
his world title. He knocked out or

606
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,920
that was a title defense, I
should say, knocked out Jamie McDonald.

607
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,679
That was that was where he took
a world title. The dude's been just

608
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,800
killing everybody. Yep. It's just
and I can't express this to you enough.

609
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,239
He's gonna go down as the greatest
Japanese fighter in the history of boxing.

610
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,159
And there's a lot of great fighters
that come out of Japan. Yoko

611
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,599
Gushikin, for example, There's some
great fighters from Japan. It's they've got

612
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:28,559
such a great boxing culture. Boxing
in Japan right now is at such a

613
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,280
high with so many top level fighters
in a way obviously leading the pack.

614
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:36,840
But he's gonna go down as as
the greatest Japanese fighter. I'm not gonna

615
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,360
sit here and tell you he's gonna
go down as the greatest Asian fighter ever,

616
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,719
because I'd still say to you that
Manny Pakyo is better than him in

617
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,599
terms of the overall accomplishment and the
things he did, and obviously being Filipino

618
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,159
puts him in the Asian category as
well. All I'm saying though, is

619
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,800
in a way, you know,
you talk about it a great fighter currently

620
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,039
people like to talk about generational talent. He's that. I would submit to

621
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:01,559
you that if you made a list
of the top I've said this before,

622
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,079
take the top one hundred fighters in
boxing history. You know, I have

623
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,679
Burt Sugar, my dear departed friend
Burt Sugar once wrote a book of the

624
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,320
top one hundred boxers. Obviously,
it's a number of years ago, and

625
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,960
some of the guys might drop out
compare, you know, with others from

626
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,159
this more current era would go in. But I would tell you that if

627
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:22,119
you were looking around today, you
would list a handful of fighters that are

628
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,480
active currently that would be in the
top one hundred of all time. And

629
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,719
in a way, is one of
those guys. It's in a way,

630
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,199
it's uh, it's Canelo Alvarez,
you know those types of fighters. It's

631
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,480
maybe Crawford. But that's what I'm
talking about. He's in Fury depending on

632
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,440
what happens coming up. I don't
I don't agree with that. I'm not

633
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,400
putting if he ends up becoming undisputed, I don't care. Okay, you

634
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,480
can say you don't care, but
I'm saying there's an argument. There's an

635
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,840
argument. This is my top hundred. I'm not putting Fury until he does

636
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,760
a lot more than Beatos. That's
fine, that's fair. I'm making a

637
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,159
point though, that whoever you put
in Fury, or whoever in a way

638
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,840
is on that list, he's all
ready his accomplishment, and what he's done

639
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,480
is already merits one hundred top hundred
inclusion. And by the way, he

640
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:14,320
brings a crowd forty four thousand Salau
crowd, scores, knockouts, dominates,

641
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,639
what more drawn right now? And
I understand, Look, we're not going

642
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,760
to go down the rabbit hole for
five more minutes because you and I agree.

643
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,880
He does not have to come to
the United States to make millions and

644
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,639
millions of dollars. And oh,
by the way, he fought a prominent

645
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,119
US Unified champion in Stephen Fulton and
dominated him and knocked him out. So

646
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,840
whether he did that in Japan,
or he did that in Las Vegas,

647
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
or he did it on Pluto,
it doesn't matter. By the way,

648
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,639
let me just say to this,
Chase Rookie has fought three times in the

649
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,960
United States. YEP. When he
defeated Atmanuel Rodriguez for the IBF title,

650
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,119
that fight was in Scotland because it
was part of the World Boxing Super Series.

651
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:50,840
So he has fought in other countries. He's not not opposed to fighting

652
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,559
in other countries. He said that. He said, if there's a fight

653
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:55,280
that makes sense or that's of interest
to me, for you know, whatever

654
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,719
reason, I'm happy to go wherever
I need to go. There's not a

655
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,679
single opponent in the United Slis States
of America that he could fight that would

656
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,199
be even remotely close to the level
of event that he can do in Japan

657
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,920
against whoever. So the people that
say he has to come here are people

658
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,639
that either are jealous, don't really
follow the smaller weight classes, are just

659
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,280
totally American centric. I mean,
I'm American, I'm a patron. I

660
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,480
love America. I don't think that
in a way has to come here to

661
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,119
prove anything. At this point,
he is what he is. It's a

662
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:27,119
worldwide sport, and he fights,
and we should and we should great box

663
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:31,360
and culture. We should thoroughly enjoy
the fact that he is still actively chaoing

664
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,599
everybody and fighting a couple of times
every year. I'd love to see him

665
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,480
fight three times in a year,
but we get him a couple of times

666
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,039
every year. And there it was
again, and that was a true test.

667
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:43,800
I mean that moment. Go back
and look at it again. When

668
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:49,000
the bell rings to start the second
round, he took a huge uh inhale

669
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,440
breath, like here we go because
he didn't know what was coming next after

670
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,880
the knockdown, and I thought it
was interesting too, and then we'll move

671
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,440
on. He said after the fight
he did not really remember a lot of

672
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,360
the fight after that, like he
was almost concussed adrenaline whatever. He got

673
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,400
asked, what did your father say
in between rounds after the first round,

674
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,480
he said, I don't really know
what he said. And then he got

675
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:13,079
asked, tell me about what you
did differently as the fight went on,

676
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,079
and he said, I don't really
remember. I think he was more than

677
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:20,880
buzzed and hurt and adrenaline is going
et cetera. But that was a true

678
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,719
test and sure and it was he
passed it. It was good. It

679
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,119
was a good day for the Innawa
family because on that undercard his brother Takuma

680
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:34,039
in away who won the vacant WBA
title and the bantamweight division. When when

681
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,039
Noya in a way moved up and
waited and vacated the undispeated title, he

682
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,920
scored a really nice win against show
Ishida. He also got knocked down in

683
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:44,679
the fight, but rose from the
canvas to score a fairly one sided victory.

684
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:46,159
It didn't get a knockout, obviously, but he went the distance,

685
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:51,519
so it was a very loaded card. We talked about how Yoshiki Takai,

686
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,679
the Japanese undefeated kickboxer about at eight
to zero as a professional boxer, uh

687
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,320
fought Jayson Maloney and took away the
w w B Obantamway title. You know,

688
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,719
we gotta love Jason Molney though.
This is a guy that just gives

689
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,000
everything every time. And Andrew does
the same thing in the ring. Both

690
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:10,360
these he almost had to kay out
in the twelfth round. Maybe another twenty

691
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,519
thirty second him, he might have
retained the title, but to k you

692
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:21,480
know, emerges. You also had
the Akoui, the flyweight champion of the

693
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,360
WBA. He scored a decision victory. This was just a loaded card for

694
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Japanese boxing. It shows you the
depth of what they have there when you're

695
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,079
talking about the two Naa brothers,
these other champions. I just mentioned the

696
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:36,599
guys like Taraji who aren't even on
this card. Just it's like a it's

697
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,639
a golden age right now for Japanese
boxing in a way leading the way,

698
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,239
and there is no question it was
a memorable night for those fights that built

699
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,760
up to it, and for that
main event and the drama and the crowd

700
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,360
roaring in the Tokyo Dome. I
realize it was early in the morning in

701
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,079
the US, but go back and
relive that if you can, wherever you

702
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,559
can relive that, because it was
quite a battley. ESPN plus still has

703
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,639
it archive, as it turns out. So he gave you some good conversation

704
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,119
on that, all right, some
other news, and then some nostalgia.

705
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,920
Hey, look at what has happened, all right? Not surprisingly, unfortunately,

706
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:13,480
Jamal Charlo in trouble again. I
didn't realize until earlier today. This

707
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,719
is the second time he's been arrested
in the last four or five weeks.

708
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:22,159
He was arrested again on another like
domestic violence situation or assault situation in April

709
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,480
that kind of went under the radar. It was like endangering a child's welfare

710
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:30,960
or something, whatever it was.
And now we have a DUI with damage

711
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,679
where he leaves the scene of a
wrecked vehicle that he hit and is chased

712
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,800
down by the Perlin, Texas Authority
suburb of Houston. Arrested on DUI twice

713
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,239
the legal limit, and so Jamal
Charlow bonded out of jail. More legal

714
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:51,239
troubles. We've well documented on this
podcast. These troubles, I have said,

715
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,480
over and over again, when is
the WBC going to do the right

716
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:57,599
thing? Will finally this force their
hand once and for all They've done the

717
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,880
right thing. That night, the
night that all of this got out,

718
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,079
at midnight, they're put this statement
that, hey, we've come to the

719
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:09,079
conclusion that we're going to elevate Carlos
a Damas, which again should have happened

720
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:14,639
long ago. And now Charlo I
understood that statement. Charlo's not even the

721
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,360
champion in recess. I don't know
that's it. No tripped period the end,

722
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,840
so forms for a damis a long
time coming. It just coincidentally.

723
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,239
I mean, I guess he should
have been elevated a long time ago.

724
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,039
But if you're going to wait to
get elevated, might as well have it

725
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,800
happen on your thirtieth birthday, which
is what happened in terms of when he

726
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,800
was elevated. Yes, so you
know, look, did the WBC ultimately

727
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,239
do the right thing? Yeah,
but it was sort of like they had

728
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,280
no choice. They should have done
this a year and a half ago or

729
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,360
a longer ago. Agree, And
I'm not one that wants to see people

730
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,039
get stripped, but it gets to
a point where you're like, dude's not

731
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:50,280
fighting. Even when Charlo came back
and fought in his last fight, he

732
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,760
didn't even defend the title. He
fought in a fight that was contracted at

733
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,440
like what one hundred and sixty three. I believe he waged in over one

734
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,480
sixty six, so he couldn't even
make the limit for the con which was

735
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:05,360
already three plowns over the division in
which he held the title, clearly having

736
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,159
no respect for his opponent, having
no regard for his title at all,

737
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:13,199
you know, never said afterwards what
he was even going to come back to

738
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,400
the way class, you know,
And they still there's still those rumors that

739
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:19,360
kick around about how he's going to
be the next opponent for Canelo. And

740
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,760
I will tell you that that that
is such a doa fight then on arrival

741
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,480
as a pay review, I can't. Canello even said when he was asked

742
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,480
about fighting Mangia that one of the
reasons was that the original plan he acknowledged

743
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,599
that it was a Jamal Charlot fight, but that everybody hated it. The

744
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,480
media hated it, the fans hated
that Holm was no good. So he's

745
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:38,639
like, I don't want to do
that kind of fight if nobody really wants

746
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,679
to see it. You know,
you can quarrel about Mangia over Benavide's and

747
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,039
that sort of thing. But I
mean, nobody was unhappy he was fighting

748
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,599
Mongia. That was going to be
a good fight, and it was proven

749
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:51,199
that it was a good fight.
But I don't think anything has changed in

750
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,239
case of Charlotte except made it worse, because now it's just going to be

751
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,119
another set of months off, another
set of legal problems, another issue in

752
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,679
terms of legality, drinking and problems
like that. I mean, so I

753
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,280
just don't think he's got a prayer
to get the Canelo fight at this point.

754
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,480
Oh, it's never happen. That's
not happening anytime. No, it's

755
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:12,280
not happened. Let me tell you. Because of the fact that Jamal the

756
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,159
fifty four pounder who fought Canelo at
SUPERMANO eight, and Jamal the one sixty

757
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,880
pounder who just got stripped, they're
twins, and they both had all kinds

758
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,960
of problems TJ. I gotta be
honest, I I can't keep them straight

759
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:27,639
right now. I can't remember who
had which problem, because they've both been

760
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,639
arrested, charged this that. I
mean, it's just they're in meltdown mode,

761
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,320
and I feel bad for Jamal.
I don't think he's a bad guy.

762
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,280
I think he's got a lot of
problems and he needs to get them

763
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,559
addressed before he starts worrying about,
you know, what his next boxing matches,

764
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:45,159
because you know, when you see
these types of situations one after the

765
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,920
other. I mean, he's still
a younger guy. He doesn't have a

766
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,440
lot of damage in terms of his
boxing erre He's only thirty three years old.

767
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,280
I sometimes questioned, were you ever
going to see this man in the

768
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,719
boxing ray again? I mean it's
valid point. I don't know he wins

769
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,039
two years before that fight last November. Yeah, so since so here's title

770
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:07,239
defense. So here's the other thing
about that. Though the WBC in its

771
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,119
entire history, I had to go
look this up, but I'm pretty sure

772
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:13,519
that this is accurate, and if
it's not accurate, it can't be that

773
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:19,199
much difference. The WBC Middleway title
come this June, so in one month

774
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,800
will have not been defended for three
years. Correct. I don't think in

775
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,400
the history of the WBC that has
ever been a case where the title wasn't

776
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,400
defended for three years. That's ridiculous. It is. I mean, I

777
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:35,920
get, I get the fact that
there's time off and delays, even with

778
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,360
the pandemic. There's no reason for
this title not to have been defended for

779
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,360
three years at the very least.
Uh, you know, no mandatory in

780
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,480
that situation. Adamis with the interim
title and he unfortunately for him, not

781
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:50,159
because of his own thing, but
he's been off for a while. He

782
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,119
only had one fight last year.
That's a PBC because I'm sure, I

783
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:55,840
mean, you don't have to be
a rocket scientist. I'm sure they were

784
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,000
stringing along. You're going to get
to fight Jamal Charlow hang in there and

785
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:06,400
never Here's the bottom line. SHEVC
having so many issues with a lack of

786
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:10,239
dates. They've had two pay per
views in twenty twenty four, rather the

787
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,000
March card with Fondora and Tim Zou
and the Canelo card that just happened.

788
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,519
They've got the third one coming June
fifteenth, headlined by Tank Davis against Frank

789
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,480
Martin. There's not going to be
a June non pay per view. All

790
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:28,159
along I was told there will be
a non June pay per view. The

791
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,360
excuse that I have been given as
well. The guys that were supposed to

792
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,039
be on the June pay per view
are people like pit Bull Cruz and David

793
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,639
Morrell, and now they're going to
be on this August third pay per view

794
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,719
that the Saudis are doing in Los
Angeles. So there goes our June show.

795
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,599
And my perspective was, what are
you talking about. You've got a

796
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,159
whole bunch of other fighters that are
capable of headlining. They don't have to

797
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,800
be mega fights or not pay per
views, so you can still do other

798
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,559
attractive matchups. So my point is, why wouldn't they just tap Adamis to

799
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,320
be on one of those types of
shows. So if I was involved,

800
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,239
I would say, look, he's
the champ. If he wants to do

801
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,800
this, let's make the unification fight
right off the bat. You know,

802
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,559
I know that janebek is out there
with a July date with two belts who's

803
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:09,840
been digging for some kind of bigger
name or bigger stakes. He would fight

804
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,639
him in a heartbeat. Top Rank
has the dates on ESPN, they can

805
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,400
make a deal. It will be
lucrative because they've got money in their budget

806
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,199
to spend on those types of events. Adamas would by far make his biggest

807
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:23,719
payday, make the unification right off
the bat. I mean it may be

808
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,639
too good to ask, but uh
Janne back to my knowledge, still does

809
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:30,599
not have an official opponent yet for
that July date. A Damas doesn't have

810
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,679
to do anything schedule, to my
knowledge, and I believe both fighters are

811
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,360
willing and able to making too much
sense again, you're making too much sense

812
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,199
again, it's boxing well. I
mean, by the way TBC has been

813
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,719
because they have so little dates for
guys. They just made a deal with

814
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,039
Golden Boy, for example, for
Rancis Barthelomy to fight against Josey Ramirez.

815
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:53,519
They can make a deal with Top
Right. And by the way we're sitting

816
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:58,639
here taping this Thursday night on May
the ninth, they could still put a

817
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,239
Damas on that June call with Tank
Davis in a title defense and add to

818
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,599
the pay per view if they wanted
to. You got a month, find

819
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,039
him an opponent. Is he not
in shape? Find him an opponent,

820
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,679
and a month from now let him
make a defense. Again, I'm making

821
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,440
too much sense now, I'm making
too much sense on the podcast to get

822
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,679
the man in the ring, all
right, couple more news items before the

823
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,599
nostalgia, oh, the Ryan Garcia
saga, and again we talked about this

824
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,039
on the Better Show. I hear
the sy We'll touch on it briefly here

825
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,559
on the pod as well, because
it's a lot of the same stuff.

826
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:32,840
The reason that it's now relevant is
he wants the b samples plural to be

827
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,119
open here for the two positive drug
tests pre fight and post fight for the

828
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:44,960
banned substance osteren So that's going to
be done. Fill in the blanks because

829
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,119
there's a lot being said. Again, I know you and I already talked

830
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:50,719
about this on the bet Us Show, but for the pod audience, fill

831
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,119
in the blanks on what's happening next, where we go from here and the

832
00:49:53,360 --> 00:50:00,039
likely suspension that's probably come first of
all, Basically, everything that runs and

833
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,840
Garcia puts on his social media is
a lie or it's very very skewed.

834
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,559
That's not accurate, and it's it's
unfortunate. I've been getting punished by everybody

835
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:13,079
because I had the audacity to,
you know, rely on factual information,

836
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:17,840
have documentary evidence such as the actual
letters, and let me defend you with

837
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,440
one more time. I've defended you
like three times on this. You found

838
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:27,440
the truth, You found the evidence
that Vada had notified everybody he is positive

839
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,880
in the pre fight test and the
postfight test for us. But here's here's

840
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,480
the thing that hasn't changed, apparently
my reporting of the factual information. I'm

841
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:43,119
I'm I hate Ryan Garcia, Bill
Haney is paying me off. Victor Kanti

842
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,760
and I are like roommates. I
mean, it's just an absurdity. People

843
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,840
are so fucking stupid, so ignorant, have no idea how these things work.

844
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,920
Have can't even spend thirty seconds on
Google the shit before they make such

845
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,119
outlandis comments about things. So I
can just tell you I did this same

846
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,079
kind of normal reporting I've been doing
for my entire professional sports writing career,

847
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,559
even before I was writing about boxing. My sports writing career, I've been

848
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,639
doing this for thirty years. As
much as it pains me to say thirty

849
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:13,119
one years, actually, if you
want to get technical, thirty one years

850
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:16,480
as a professional sports writer. It
is the only job I've ever had post

851
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:21,519
college. I don't know anything else, so I know how to do that.

852
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,679
I know I'm not a doctor.
I can't fix a fucking car.

853
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,199
I do know how to fix my
air condition. I'm not a I can't

854
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,800
really make good French coast though.
No, I can't make French coast.

855
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,880
I can't do anything. But I'm
a fucking good sports writer, yes,

856
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,880
ye are, so. I don't
fuck around when it comes to these types

857
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,519
of things. So anybody who wants
to make accusations, they can fuck themselves.

858
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,039
I'm telling you, I've got the
evidence and the documents, and that's

859
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,960
what it takes. So he's gonna
have the B sample open. It's I

860
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,760
forget the exact day, it's something
like May twenty second, May twenty third.

861
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,079
He is allowed to have a representative
be there to observe it to make

862
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,639
sure there's no funny business. Obviously, it will take make a few days

863
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:07,440
or you'll ever long to get that
result back. We've discussed this before.

864
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,159
The likelihood that it's exactly the same
as the A sample is like ninety nine

865
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,840
point Uh. We'll see how that
goes. Uh. And then he's gonna

866
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,880
have a hearing in front of the
New York Commission. But here's the other

867
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,559
thing that's important, and this is
I don't know, if I'm such a

868
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,239
Ryan Garcia hater, why I wasn't
told I'm a Ryan Garcia lover because I

869
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,840
also reported this because I all again
I have the documentation about what was sent

870
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,840
throughout and it's not made public.
But he in that original testing in the

871
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,440
in the April nineteenth test he had, there was a question about another substance

872
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:44,760
that was a that was like nandelone, which is a hardcore scaroid steroid.

873
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,599
It was it was a it was
something like that, but not exactly,

874
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:53,480
but it was called nineteen nor andosterone. So they had a test in the

875
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:59,360
original one that was positive for that, but it was not what's the world

876
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:05,000
was not not conclusive and in the
paperwork it's said, must have the isotope

877
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,239
ratio mass spectrometry test conducted on it. I will be honest and I'm looking

878
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,960
at my screen, so I can
get that right of what it was.

879
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:17,880
So they had to do another test, and that to get a clarification of

880
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,480
whether he was truly positive for this
particular drug, which my understanding is can

881
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:27,800
at times present itself naturally in your
system. They went and they did that

882
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,920
test. That result came back and
he is cleared of having that as another

883
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:39,960
adverse finding. So any issues related
to that nandrolone like substance that's no longer

884
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:44,679
on the table. So he made
a big deal on his social media as

885
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,800
mother did that. Now we suddenly
clear see I told you I didn't pest

886
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,800
positive for this steroid. Blah blah
blah blah blah. But forget very conveniently

887
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,239
that he still has two jackpots for
fucking ostereine which are not going away,

888
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,679
which, by the way, is
a performance enhancing drug on the ban list.

889
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,559
Absolute no no, and it's system
Yeah, real quick, there's been

890
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:12,880
a little bit of a lost in
translation. In New York State, you

891
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:19,400
are apparently allowed a microscopic amount of
that substance before you'd be flagged for a

892
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,639
adverse finding. He claims that his
is below that. The reality is the

893
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:30,199
Vada rules and the water rules do
not permit that at all under any levels.

894
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:32,480
But even if you submit, then
say okay, fine, it's point

895
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,519
one. The numbers of his levels
that came back on the on the April

896
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:44,079
nineteenth test were like sixty times higher
than what was allowed. The number the

897
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,639
numbers that came back on There you
go with facts again. The numbers that

898
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,199
came back on the on the post
fight test were something like thirty five times

899
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,159
higher than allowed. So as they
say, he's got some splaining to do.

900
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,119
And again, if New York State
goes by the strict liability concept,

901
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,320
whether it's point one which or point
you know or or sixty times over,

902
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,920
that is the problem either way,
because it's not that it's not how much

903
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,320
was in your system, it's that
it's in your system. Right, it's

904
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,320
not allowed to be that test.
End of story, all right, So

905
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,400
they're going to have a hearing after
those b samples are open and more than

906
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:27,559
likely because almost all ways they're also
going to be positive because they're split off.

907
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:32,159
At the same time, I want
to interject, I was seeing all

908
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:36,039
this stuff on social media. Now
there's like this big back and forth beef

909
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,920
between Errol Spence and Ryan Garcia.
One time, uh you know, uh

910
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:45,320
stable mats because of their working with
Derek James. Ryan Garcia still works with

911
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,719
the trainer Derek James. Obviously,
Errol Spence and Derek are no longer work

912
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,719
together because of the lawsuit that's happening
because of Derek believing he's been shortered on

913
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,039
the money. So now they're calling
each other out and and Garcia was on

914
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:00,599
his social media saying, you know, bring on, I'll fight Erol Spence

915
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:06,320
in August. And I didn't put
this up there, but all I can

916
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,679
think about now, you're not fighting
in August because you're gonna suspended. Bro.

917
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,840
And by the way, a couple
of more things, just on the

918
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,719
whole unhinged behavior, because it was
bad enough that we saw all over social

919
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,800
media him in the clubs, et
cetera. This man earlier this week is

920
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,400
on a video that I watched on
a video in a podcast talking about how

921
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,679
he was high during the fight.
Right, A lot of this is exaggeration

922
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,320
because common sense here, if you
were taking recreational drugs, you would have

923
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,639
popped for it on the pre fighter
postfight drug test. That's me saying that.

924
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:43,559
But he's bragging about how he beat
Devin Haney while high. He is

925
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:47,719
out of his own mouth saying that. So take all of this and just

926
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,920
almost put it aside as a sideshow. That's that's going on. I mean

927
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:59,079
again, there's more. There's more
obviously to come, and we'll find out

928
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,039
when those B samples are open what
the next move is from the New York

929
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:06,280
State Athletic Commission. And at the
bottom line, team, it's a year

930
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,519
suspension. Then we're looking at no
Ryan Garcia to the middle of the next

931
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:12,800
year. Well, I mean if
they if he does get a year suspension,

932
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,480
typically they're backdated to the data of
the infraction, so it would be

933
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:20,719
backdated to the date of the de
so you know that would be the case.

934
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,199
So right now, I would say, uh, it's entirely questionable whether

935
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,199
he'll fight again the rest of this
year based on what's about to come down

936
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,159
with whatever happens in New York State. All right, Next up, we

937
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:37,519
did talk I know I keep making
reference to this on the bet US Boxing

938
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:43,400
show. We had learned of Dmitri
Beebel trying to stay on the car June

939
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:45,960
first, even if he's not in
the main event defending the WBA version of

940
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,480
the light heavyweight crown. So,
Dan, what is the latest. I

941
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:53,039
know you've been in some communication with
Turkey Ala Chic and about what's happening there

942
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,519
for a light heavyweight title defense for
the Russian Yeah. So, I mean,

943
00:57:57,559 --> 00:58:00,360
of course, there was a huge
disappointment when Arthur better Be suffered the

944
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,320
knee injury and how to withdraw from
the fight. I mean, I think

945
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:07,199
that was that fight between him and
Beevill for the undisputed title at light heavyweight.

946
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,280
To me anyway, and I know
a lot of other boxing mans,

947
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,679
that has the most interesting fight on
the calendar or scheduled this year that's already

948
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:14,360
happened this year. I mean,
that was as good as a guess.

949
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,480
That's the absolute top of the food
chain type of fight. I mean,

950
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:21,159
in all due respect for all the
other excellent matchups that we have seen on

951
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:22,960
disputed or otherwise, to me,
that was the most interesting, best fight

952
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:27,280
that you could make in the sport. Hopefully they'll reschedule that's the plan,

953
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,639
or better be supposedly going to be
back in the September time frame. I

954
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:34,800
believe it when I see it.
In any event, Understandably, bevill who's

955
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,400
been in camp and wants to make
a living and wants to defend this title

956
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,599
and wants to fight and stay active, didn't want to just give up the

957
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:43,400
date and just sit around and wait
for September. That didn't makes any sense

958
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,599
of what they've done. And as
you said, you know, I was

959
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:49,760
in communication with Turkey ale Chic,
and you know, he said to me

960
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,920
that they are going to keep Eovile
on the card, and they were in

961
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,320
the process of figure of finalizing a
fight with his replacement opponent, and not

962
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,440
a guy that has anybody probably ever
really heard of, but an undefeated fighter

963
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:04,519
twenty two and sixteen, an oh
named Malik Xenod, a native of Libya

964
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:12,119
who fights out of the Mediterranean country
of Malta. Not exactly a boxing hotbed,

965
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,119
but he does have a good record
and he's rated. But come on,

966
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,840
you're the encyclopedia. Who's the last
world champion born in Libya and fighting

967
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,599
out of Malta. I mean,
you would know if anybody has. I

968
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,320
don't think there is one. Pretty
sure there's never been one. So so

969
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,199
that will stay on the June first
card in riatt and they'll take the as

970
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:36,039
his excellency was explaining to me,
they will take the Deontay Wilder Jang July

971
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,440
fight. That will that's one of
the five on five fights. They'll make

972
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,559
that the main event. The second
fight, technically speaking, the co feature,

973
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:45,880
if you will, will be the
other heavyweight fight, which will be

974
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:50,320
Philip Pergovic against Daniel Duba, which
currently is just a heavyweight fight. But

975
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,159
you know, in the day's post
Usik and theory it will be came for

976
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:59,440
the vacant IBF title, and then
we'll see the bevol title defense against Xenod

977
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,920
and then the rem of the other
fights of the five one to five.

978
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,159
So I'm glad that people staying on
the card. I mean, I just

979
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,000
hope that Arthur better Beev gets held
up quickly and we can see that great

980
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:13,239
fight and they can both have their
shot at history and the legacy, and

981
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,360
US fans get the fight we've wanted
to see for a number of years.

982
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:19,840
And shout out to my man,
the boxing writer David Payne in England,

983
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,760
because he uses this phrase all the
time, Rayfael, I'm not trying to

984
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,800
be the profit of doom, but
Better Bv is thirty nine years old and

985
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,119
there's got to be concerns now with
a knee injury too, about the future

986
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:30,239
and about this fight. We hope
he heals up. But this is not

987
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:36,599
an insignificant thing generally speaking. I'm
not a doctor, I'm not even playing

988
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:38,800
one on the podcast, but I
know that meniscus tears, and they described

989
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,920
it as a rupture that can be
a three to six month thing. It

990
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:46,079
might be before the end of the
year, later in the year before he's

991
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:49,880
ready to go, so who knows. On better beev and good for Beebele

992
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,239
who's been waiting to be able to
get in the ring still on that card.

993
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,199
They had enough time and enough lead
up for the June one to be

994
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,159
able to get him in the ring. Are one more news and that is

995
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:06,400
the July sixth top ranked card is
official. It's got Chaquur Stevenson headline,

996
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,239
It's got another title fight and what
else on the card. So give me

997
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,880
a fill in the details. Well, I mean I reported kind of be

998
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,079
like over a month ago at least
that Chaquur would fight July sixth, that

999
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:22,159
the opponent was m Hartitunian, whose
only loss was against Frank Martin, who,

1000
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,960
of course is now going to be
fighting Gervante Davis on June fifteenth in

1001
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:30,000
their paper before his lightweight belt.
Frank Martin, of course, was supposed

1002
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,239
to fight Shoud Court for the vacant
title back a few months ago and had

1003
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,400
an agreement and then pulled out and
they had to replace him with Edwin de

1004
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,400
los Santos. In any event,
even though Hardtunian lost that fight to Frank

1005
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,880
Martin last July, so it will
be one year since he fought. You

1006
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,119
know, he made a good account
of himself against Frank Martin. He he

1007
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,559
did get knocked down in the twelfth
round, but it was a very close

1008
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,079
fight. And so he's getting the
opportunity against Shaqur. He's going to go

1009
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:58,719
to Cha course hometown of Newark.
I mean, I know Chakourt looked pretty

1010
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,639
bad in the last fight that was
del Los Santos. Part of that wash

1011
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:06,000
COR's uh injury issues and it was
as forgettable a fight as you can see.

1012
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,599
I expect him to be one million
times better in this fight if he

1013
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,639
is no knock on Harttunian. But
it's to me, it's like as like

1014
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:15,639
saying the business and no hitter.
You know, chic, we're gonna just

1015
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:20,159
probably, you know, pretty handily
beat him. Uh. Not the most

1016
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,880
enticing, interesting, exciting, top
top of the bill, as they say,

1017
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,239
matchup. But the other fights on
the card, you'll have the return

1018
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,039
of the WBC Junior lightweight Champion,
Oshaki Foster. He'll be taking on Robson

1019
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,639
Konsisau, which is a very interesting
matchup. If you remember Kansasaw in his

1020
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:40,320
last fight had the shootout with Emmanuel
Neaverette. He lost rather in lou Was

1021
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,519
Actually it was a drawn though,
even though Consas got knocked down two times.

1022
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,599
Uh, this is going to be
consas A's fourth chance at the world

1023
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:52,480
title. He lost a competitive decision
against Oscar Valdez, and there was a

1024
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:57,000
controversy with that because of the drug
situation with Valdez and it not, you

1025
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,320
know, the rules of the local
commission differing from the rules of but he

1026
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,159
was allowed to fight. There was
a lot of controversy there. He then

1027
01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:07,440
lost a pretty lopsided decision against Schaquore
Stevenson. But that was the fight in

1028
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,119
which Aquor did not make the weight
in which stripped of the titles. Concas

1029
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:14,400
had the chance to win them but
did not. And then obviously the most

1030
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,559
recent fight that he had was the
draw with Naverette. So what do they

1031
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,679
say, TJ Forrest times the charm, I guess I don't know. I

1032
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:23,880
don't know. So o Shakie Foster
in his second fights and signing up with

1033
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,920
Top Rank. You know, he
had the close win against Abraham Nova that

1034
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,840
was in February and then July he'll
be back against Consas out and obviously,

1035
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,280
if look, Chaquur is going to
be a free agent after this fight.

1036
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,360
If he stays with Top Rank and
I'm sure there'll be others bidding for his

1037
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,280
services. Although that said, I
think Top Ranks done a tremendous job with

1038
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,320
him and getting them all kinds of
opportunities and featuring him, and he's been

1039
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,519
making a good amount of money.
But if you got the junior lightweight champ

1040
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:50,320
on the same card as the featherweight
champ, and you know that at some

1041
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,519
point in time you're going to see
Shakuor go up to the next weight class,

1042
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,480
you know it could be a like
a preview, let's say, of

1043
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:58,559
seeing the two guys in action on
the same card, because it wouldn't be

1044
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,239
out of the realm of possibility.
If he sticks top rank, that down

1045
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:02,920
the road, we're gonna see Schacor
fight against o Shakie Foster when he goes

1046
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,119
looking for titles in the heavier weight
classes. Then the opening fight will be

1047
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:13,159
the next fight in the burgeoning career
of Keishawn Davis, the outstanding lightweight prospect

1048
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,079
twenty twenty Tokyo silver medal winner taken
on a Mexican veteran, Miguel Miduino,

1049
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,679
not exactly a big time resume,
but very experienced, and you know he's

1050
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:24,239
he's pretty tight with Shakor. He's
like, Chakor is a good friend of

1051
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,719
his and he's been He's fought on
some of Chakor's pass undercards. So you

1052
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,320
know, all in all, it's
not a not a bad card. I

1053
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,639
mean, you got two bona fide
title fights. You got the appearance of

1054
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:36,440
one of the top prospects in the
sport. Who I suspect that by the

1055
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:39,719
time this year is over, we'll
be calling them more of a contender,

1056
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,000
not a prospect. And there's your
card that was formally announced this week.

1057
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,800
All good stuff on the news,
all right, some nostalgia and then we

1058
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,440
are done as we release the podcast
into Friday. Friday is May the tenth,

1059
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:58,840
nineteen ninety six. By the way, Rayphael Wish missus reeves happy twenty

1060
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,880
eighth, Anna Versh for putting up
with me for twenty eight years as of

1061
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,239
Saturday, May the eleventh, So
as it turns out, on your nostalgia,

1062
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:12,159
the night before my wedding May the
tenth, nineteen ninety six, before

1063
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:16,840
May the eleventh, nineteen ninety six, twenty eight years ago, heavyweight tripleheader

1064
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:26,320
HBO televised and interesting names because Evander
Holyfield thought Bobby Chez and also Lennox Lewis

1065
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,880
on the card fighting Merciless Ray Mercer. And I don't know that we've ever

1066
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,360
brought up nostalgia in the two plus
years we've been doing these pods with the

1067
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,960
name terrible Tim Witherspoon, but he
was also on that card, so go

1068
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:40,679
ahead speak more to it. No, that was a fun card, I

1069
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:43,039
mean, and this was the kind
of card that today they'd probably sticked this

1070
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,159
shit on pay per view and not
on regular HBO or whatever network we're showing

1071
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:48,320
it. But back at the time, you know, this was a popular

1072
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,119
card. Tim Witherspoon was sort of
in like the research in his in his

1073
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:57,880
career, and Jorge Luis Gonzales was
the big, massive amateur star from Cuba

1074
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,480
who had only had one previous defeat
when he had gotten a blitz by Riddick

1075
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,960
bow uh and uh and just got
pummeled. He had, you know,

1076
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,880
just got obliterated in that fight.
That was a you know, a bad

1077
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,199
blood rivalry fight from the amateurs.
Tons of bad blood in there. He

1078
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,440
had come back from that one,
uh, you know, a lesser fight,

1079
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,480
and then they put him in with
Witherspoon again, who was coming off

1080
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,159
of you know, he had been
fighting a string advice. They were sort

1081
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:23,840
of positioning him perhaps to get another
time to title opportunity, and uh,

1082
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,800
Witherspoon rose to the occasion that I
won and he put Jerey Luis Gonzalez out

1083
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,480
in the fifth round, and that
was just to start in the next fight

1084
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,440
was probably one of the most underrated
fights in heavyweights of this of that era,

1085
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,840
certainly one of the more underrated victories
in the in the great career of

1086
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,559
Lennox Lewis. I wasn't a world
title fight. This was a very hard

1087
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:45,400
fought battle, really close. I've
watched the fight numerous times. You know,

1088
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,840
I always scored the fight six rounds
to four in favor of Lennox Lewis.

1089
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:53,119
But you know, if you're if
you're in the mood for like kind

1090
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:57,840
of a under the radar, off
the off the radar kind of heavyweight action,

1091
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,280
then you should definitely go under your
trust YouTube channel and check out that

1092
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:05,079
fight. Now, to put it
in perspective, this fight between Lennox and

1093
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:11,719
Mercer was taking place in the period
of time after Oliver McCall knocked Lennox Lewis

1094
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,559
out, and it was the fight
before he fought the rematch against Oliver matt

1095
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:19,320
and regained what was then the vacant
WBC title. So remember he got knocked

1096
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,920
out by McCall, who ended up
losing the title later. But Lenox was

1097
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,639
fighting, you know, a couple
less like lesser fights against Lionel Butler justin

1098
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,920
fortune he had Pommel Tommy Morrison.
Now he goes in with Ray Mercer in

1099
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,880
May of ninety six and then in
the early part of ninety seven he finally

1100
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:41,840
gets the remaatch with with with Oliver
McCall for the VACON title. Of the

1101
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,039
fight that's very famous for the mental
breakdown and the crying of Oliver McCall,

1102
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:51,760
But Ray Mercer gave Lennox Lewis absolute
hell in that fight. Tremendous hard hitting,

1103
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:56,039
a lot of inside action, just
banging away at each other. Both

1104
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:59,480
guys showed a lot of the heart
and chin and all the people that always

1105
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,400
talk about how Lennox didn't have a
chin, and that was just a tremendous

1106
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,719
fight. And the main event more
not more on the name recognition than the

1107
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:12,840
merit of the matchup was Evander Holyfield, who at that time was fighting Bobby

1108
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,439
Chez. You know, they was
looking for another shot at something big.

1109
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,479
This again, these were all non
title fights, and Bobby Chez, you

1110
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,199
know, of course, was a
blown up. He wasn't a truly heavyweight

1111
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,039
U and that was if you remember, that was a little controversial because he

1112
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:28,920
stopped him. But there was all
the conversation that Chez had stopped in the

1113
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,840
fight because he had got some kind
of substance in his eye that he couldn't

1114
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,279
see. They couldn't really find anything, and they ended up stopping the fight.

1115
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,960
H It wasn't a particularly good fight. And even though Lennox, I

1116
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,720
mean Lenox, even though Evander got
the victory and a fifth round stoppage in

1117
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,039
the corner, the reality was he
looked like absolutely he looked terrible in that

1118
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:49,680
fight. And now remember also to
put it in perspective, this is a

1119
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:55,600
Vander coming back after having been knocked
out in the brutal third fight against Riddick

1120
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,479
Bow where people thought, you know, Vander's career is over. I mean

1121
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,680
he you know, they had had
two great battles previously, plus other fights

1122
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,960
including Vander beating Mercer well, and
he also had the heart concerns. He

1123
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,479
had lost the title to Michael's a
lot. That's a way before that,

1124
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:11,680
a couple of years. But I
mean they reinstated him and then that knockout

1125
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,039
happened, so and then this was
this was Yes, it's a win,

1126
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:17,520
but the point is a lot of
people looking at him is washed up,

1127
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,880
right. Yeah, they thought he's
done after the third Bow fight. They

1128
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,560
stick him in the in the in
the Chez fight to see what he's got

1129
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,840
left. He looks like shit in
that fight. Uh, it's not a

1130
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,199
conclusive type of knockout. He's fighting
a much. You know, Bobby was

1131
01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:35,079
a good champion in his smaller weight
classes like light heavyweight and even then cruiserweight,

1132
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:40,039
but he was not a heavyweight obviously. Uh and and and Holyfield really

1133
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:41,840
couldn't do a whole lot with him, even though he won the decision.

1134
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,920
It was that The reason why this
is important is because it was at that

1135
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:48,159
point that Evander looked so washed and
so finished and so done and such a

1136
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:53,000
shell of himself between the Bow knockout
and how poorly he looked against Bobby Chez.

1137
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:55,600
Finally, Don King was like,
Pegia will make the Tyson fight,

1138
01:09:56,119 --> 01:10:00,960
And that horrible performance against Bobby Chez
is what made everybody say, like we'll

1139
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,880
finally make this fight with Iron Mike
Tyson. And so that fight that I

1140
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,760
just mentioned about Bobby Chaz that was
in again this fight we're talking about May

1141
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:10,520
tenth, nineteen ninety six, they
made the match with Tyson that took place

1142
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,640
that November, and Evander, of
course, coming off the fights were just

1143
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,479
talking about, ended up scoring one
of the biggest upsets in a tremendous fight

1144
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:21,000
and winning the WBA title against Tyson. So it was this chess fight where

1145
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,720
he looked like Doo Doo that they
were able to make the Tyson fight.

1146
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:28,880
That's why it's important. I don't
know that you've ever used DODO Well,

1147
01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:32,359
it's important to discussing nostalgia to put
them in perspective of what was happening at

1148
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:35,439
the US at that time. And
I got nostalgia on top of your nostalgia.

1149
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,960
You ready, I think Bobby Chaz
was already doing the commentary with Steve

1150
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,479
Albert and Ferdy Pacheco, the fight
doctor on showtime, came out and fought

1151
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,680
this fight, and he's later on
He's later on the call in November of

1152
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:53,520
ninety six for holy Field against Tyson, and it still rings true to me.

1153
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,640
What he's saying. At the end
of that fight, when the fight

1154
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,439
is stopped, Bobby Chaz utters the
line, exclaims the line, I can't

1155
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,079
believe what I'm seeing, and I
think part of it is because how badd

1156
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:08,720
Evander looked in the fight with him
seven months earlier. Look in the context

1157
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,159
of Bobby Chesz's career, this was
what turned out to be his second to

1158
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:15,560
last fight. He had moved up
to heavyweight and had some fights as a

1159
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,840
smaller have you like two O five, two O six, two seven type

1160
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,239
of weight, uh, But he
fought the holy Field fight and then that

1161
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:25,800
again. That was in May of
ninety six. He fought then one more

1162
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,000
fight two years later and got obliterated
by uh Cory Sanders UH in a in

1163
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:33,079
a third and a second round knockout. This was, you know, just

1164
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,319
just the way the end. This
is the South African Corry Sanders, who

1165
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:41,039
also owned the knockout win against Vladimir
Klitschkow and that was in the Bobby's career.

1166
01:11:41,119 --> 01:11:44,560
But in reality, the holy Field
fight was sort of like the you

1167
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,199
know, the the the Sanders site
was like Dakota because it was two years

1168
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,960
later, but after the after the
Chez holy Field fight. He was pretty

1169
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:55,479
much done as a fun as a
really fun header triple header, and none

1170
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,079
of them title fights, by the
way, as you just made mention of

1171
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,760
on on HBO Make tenth of ninety
six. All right, So we back

1172
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,600
up to Wednesday, May eighth,
and that's the three year anniversary in twenty

1173
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,239
twenty one of a fight you were
there for as Canelo Alvarez. And we

1174
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:13,359
made mention of this in the build
up to the Canelo fight, about being

1175
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:16,479
at at and T Stadium and seventy
three thousand of Ray Faeld's closest friends also

1176
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:25,439
being there for the one hundred and
sixty eight pound titles as Canello. He

1177
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,319
had some problems midway through the fight
in a couple of rounds with Billy Joe

1178
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:35,000
Sander Billy Joe Saunders, but then
cracked him figuratively and literally under the right

1179
01:12:35,119 --> 01:12:40,319
eye and it was basically done.
Tell me more about what you remember about

1180
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:43,000
that night. Well, I remember
a lot because it was, first of

1181
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:45,680
all, it's not that long ago, so my memory still is very vivid

1182
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,800
on it. It was really an
extraordinary time being there. If you again,

1183
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,640
we'll put it in perspective at the
time this so I was happening,

1184
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:56,199
the pandemic was just starting to subside. Many of us had gotten vaccinated.

1185
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,359
Speaking personally, I had not been
anywhere outside of my town in the year

1186
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:02,239
and a half, roughly. I
hadn't been with other people under than my

1187
01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:04,760
wife and son, maybe to stand
at the end of my driveway and you

1188
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,520
know, talk to my neighbors and
that sort of thing. I mean,

1189
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,960
you hadn't been around people, you
go to the restaurant, eat outside,

1190
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,880
so you know, life was starting
to get a little bit back to the

1191
01:13:14,319 --> 01:13:16,680
so called normal. I hadn't been
on an airplane in you know, fourteen

1192
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,800
months or however long it had been. And so for this fight, I

1193
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,399
was doing some freelance and I had
been covering a number of events for the

1194
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,640
Ring magazine, and I went to
Arlington to cover this fight, and I

1195
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,880
just have like memories of seeing people
for the first time walking into the hotel,

1196
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,600
which we had to you know,
make sure we had a vaccination card

1197
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,359
and later go get COVID testing.
So when I got there, I purposely

1198
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:40,920
flew at night, so I just
would get to the hotel and go to

1199
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,840
my room and then wake up early
in the morning. And go down to

1200
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,920
the whatever the level when the hotel
to get my COVID test. The matchroom

1201
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,039
was testing everybody because it was a
massroom boxing promotion. And you know,

1202
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,520
I remember like one of the night
that that night I went to my room.

1203
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,520
The next night I went to dinner
in the We were in a hotel.

1204
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,880
It was like a bubble like,
so we were we really couldn't leave

1205
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,479
the hotel while we're there, other
than to go to the arena and it'd

1206
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,840
be in a certain area at the
weigh in. Sitting down in the hotel,

1207
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:12,119
I had dinner with my buddy Keith
Idach who then was writing for boxing

1208
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:15,520
scenes, the manager Keith Connolly,
and two of his boxers, the heavyweight

1209
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:21,359
Adam Koonaki and Chris Algeri, And
we had dinner at the hotel, you

1210
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:25,520
know, at the restaurant and hotel
together and I just remember sitting there thinking

1211
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,079
to myself. I got emotional about
it because I was like, I have

1212
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:32,560
not had interaction, hadn't sat down
for a meal, let's say, with

1213
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,279
anybody in a year and a half, with anybody other than my wife or

1214
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:39,520
my son. And so I would
be with friends who hadn't seen in boxing

1215
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,800
for a long time, and these
fighters and the manager and obviously I saw

1216
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,720
lots of other people there in the
hotel. It was like a pretty big

1217
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,119
deal. And then the next day
when we went to the way in the

1218
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:54,199
way they had constructed it was there
was a it was was it? So

1219
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:56,600
when I walked, you know,
they had the media in a separate area,

1220
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,439
like kind of away from the main
crowd. I remember when I got

1221
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,920
there to the way in seeing like
five thousand people, like having not been

1222
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:08,199
around more than a couple of people
at all, like moved by this amazing

1223
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,119
thing that we're seeing, like all
these people, Like the world is somewhat

1224
01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:14,159
back to normal because there's five thousand
boxing fans here for a way in in

1225
01:15:14,199 --> 01:15:16,159
front of this, you know,
this great stadium. They did the way

1226
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:18,119
and and then the next night,
as you mentioned, it was not live

1227
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:21,720
thousand, it was seventy three thousand. You get your way up dinner for

1228
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:29,399
five five thousand people. Yeah,
seventy three thousand people broke the all time

1229
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:34,439
United States indoor boxing record for attendance. It had been set in nineteen seventy

1230
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:39,760
eight by the rematch between Muhammad Ali
and Leon Spinks, who had drawn like

1231
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,239
sixty five thousand or so to the
super Dome in New Orleans, and it

1232
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:45,600
was a spectacular night. And I
mean I had covered several other all the

1233
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,000
other fights, mostly at the AT
and T Stadium, and there had never

1234
01:15:49,039 --> 01:15:51,760
been a crowd that big by any
stretch of the imagination. There had been

1235
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:57,119
fifty thousand ish for Pakiao or you
know, for a Canelo and that sort

1236
01:15:57,119 --> 01:16:00,560
of thing, but seventy for previous
Canelo. And so for this to have

1237
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,159
seventy six ersand and then for Canel
to put on the kind of performance that

1238
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:08,159
he did where he basically broke Billy
Johners Billy Joe Saunders's face and they pulled

1239
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:12,720
him out after the eighth round,
and he unified the three titles. Remember

1240
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,319
he went into that fight as a
WBA and the WBC champion. He took

1241
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:17,359
away Billy Joe's WBO title. Billy
Joe Sanders, by the way, who

1242
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:19,920
says he's going to fight again,
and still has not fought since then.

1243
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,680
In twenty twenty one, he was
thirty to oh and undefeated and a two

1244
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,279
division title holder coming into that fight. That was also, by the way,

1245
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,560
the very famous postfight press coverence where
Dimitris Andre was there trying to troll

1246
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,159
for a fight against Keneo. He
was very polite about it actually, but

1247
01:16:34,279 --> 01:16:38,800
the father got a little mouthy with
Canelo and Canello you know, went into

1248
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,840
meltdown mode and was like, get
the fuck out of here. Pay day,

1249
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,039
pay day pay. We knew,
we knew that Canelo knew the vulgarities

1250
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:47,079
in English, better English from him
in the vulgarity world. Because of that,

1251
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:50,600
and yeah, I think, by
the way, when we looked back,

1252
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,560
and it's hard to say at the
moment, you got to kind of

1253
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,920
wait till the career is over.
I feel like when I think about the

1254
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,359
Billy Joe Saunders fight, and of
course you know, it's fresh in my

1255
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:04,920
mind having just seen Canelo fight against
Timi Mongia this past Saturday. I think

1256
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:10,319
that if you go back and draw
the chart the line Grafts say of the

1257
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,199
of the great career of Canelo Avaras, I think that's the peak of his

1258
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:17,239
career. I think that's the top
of the mountain for Canelo. That everything

1259
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,840
that he did was tremendous. It
was the you know what he did at

1260
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:25,319
junior middleweight, the fights with Gnati
Glovkin at middleweight. You know other fights

1261
01:17:25,319 --> 01:17:28,199
that he had covid leb where he
fought a light heavyweight and and then went

1262
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:30,239
on the trek to win the super
midlew eight undisputed title. But I think

1263
01:17:30,359 --> 01:17:33,960
the apex of his career when we
look back, is going to be that

1264
01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:38,880
performance with that crowd, the performance
against Billy Joe Sauners, the way he

1265
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,760
stopped him, the way he unified, and the mania that surrounded his career

1266
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,079
at that time. I think that
might be the apex. I think about

1267
01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:47,039
fighters all the time, like I
think about Manny Pacow for example, you

1268
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:50,279
know, one of the biggest superstars
you could ever talk about the apex of

1269
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:55,920
his career. I always think about
on the night that that he beat Antonio

1270
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,960
Margarito, like he was never going
to be better than that night. Like

1271
01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:00,439
I don't know if Canelo ever going
to be better than what he did than

1272
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,960
I he beat Billy Joe. Now, maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe

1273
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,680
some might disagree and think that another
fight earlier in his career was the peak

1274
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:11,039
of his career. But I look
at that fight and I think to myself,

1275
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:15,279
that's the apex, that's the best
Canelo that we will ever see the

1276
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:18,159
best Cano we ever had. And
remember we had not seen him because of

1277
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:21,640
the COVID craziness in twenty twenty,
but suddenly bang bang bang. He fought

1278
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:27,239
twenty one of twenty I'm talking about
he fought bang bang Bang in like December,

1279
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,840
correct of twenty number December. Then
he fought in February of twenty one

1280
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,640
with Abney Yildrum, which wasn't much
of a fight at all, and then

1281
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,720
he fought this fight in May.
I mean, we got three Canelo fights

1282
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,439
literally in a five month time period. And then and then at the end

1283
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,199
of the year in twenty one,
in November, after the Billie Joe fight,

1284
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:45,279
that's when he fought Kayla Plant and
stopped him. So if you want

1285
01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:48,119
to talk about the peak, maybe
you talk about the Kayla Plant fight also,

1286
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:51,880
but it's basically those fights where he
became undisputed was the peak of the

1287
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,399
of the great career the Canelos had, and it was a it was a

1288
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,479
it was a great experience to be
at that fight because it was so it

1289
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,560
was so meaningful in terms of the
history because of what Canlo had accomplished,

1290
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:09,399
but just on a level of just
being an American in our in our society,

1291
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,439
to be back among people. I
wasn't the only one that felt like

1292
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,800
that. A lot of the people
that I spoke to and hung out with

1293
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,359
that week were in a similar situation
where they hadn't traveled to any fights and

1294
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,319
quite some time. And you know
not that this is the one where we're

1295
01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:23,920
riffing on, but on May ninth, twenty fifteen, another Canlo fight,

1296
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,680
because of course he was always fighting
on that single to my weekend, the

1297
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,439
twenty fifteen knockout of the Year,
which I was also in attendance for a

1298
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,239
non title fight that he fought in
the ginger midaweight division like a half pound

1299
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:38,920
over the limit because it was purposely
non title, where he absolutely detonated James

1300
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,680
Kirkland in the third round for the
knock out of the year that was at

1301
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,359
the minute made points the one in
Houston, another huge crowd for him on

1302
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,960
that night Baseball Stadium. In that
case, yes, sir, and we

1303
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:53,680
we make mention again too that at
and T Stadium has hosted some title fights,

1304
01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:57,079
none bigger in terms of attendance in
that one until we get to Jake

1305
01:19:57,119 --> 01:20:00,479
Paul and Mike Tyson potentially for late
July, and it just depends how much

1306
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,800
standing room are they going to allow. What are the ticket prices. I'm

1307
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,119
gonna tell you right now. Who
knows, I'll tell you right now,

1308
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:11,960
Jake pon Tyson's gonna break the record
probably and again if depending on how they

1309
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:15,840
price the tickets, et cetera,
you you could conceivably have because it holds

1310
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,359
it for the NFL where people can't
sit on the field, it holds over

1311
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,239
ninety five thousand for the standing room
in the ends and the whole bit.

1312
01:20:24,279 --> 01:20:28,960
And now you can sit people on
the football configuration the field even absolutely so

1313
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:32,079
you can probably fit on the floor. You can probably fit another eight or

1314
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:35,399
ten maybe say at least at least
five to eight thousand, absolutely all right.

1315
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,600
So I've been there and sat there
on the field and you look around,

1316
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,880
it's they piled up the whole the
whole damn thing, plus like you

1317
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,079
said, the standing room. So
again the record stands. Uh. But

1318
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:47,319
I my opinion is that it's going
to be broken on that night. But

1319
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:51,960
it doesn't change the fact that Canelo
that night was a brilliant performer, looked

1320
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:57,960
awesome, tremendous fight week Billy Joe
played the ultimate villain, which he was,

1321
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:03,560
and uh, that was really memorable, right nostalgia. What a full

1322
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:09,319
pod we have had here heading into
the weekend. Again, we previewed Lomachenko

1323
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:14,960
cambosas that's the main event Sunday afternoon
Australia Saturday night US time. ESPN will

1324
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,079
televise in the United States, look
forward to elsewhere. I know we got

1325
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:21,399
worldwide audience as it'll be late night
in the US. We previewed that fight

1326
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:27,199
card you heard from Edgar Berlanga,
who very much wants Canelo Canelo Canelo earlier

1327
01:21:27,279 --> 01:21:30,079
on this pod, and again I
make mention one final time, we've already

1328
01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:33,520
done the bet US Boxing show earlier
in the week. Because of a conflict

1329
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,720
they had with our friends at bet
Us, we had to go earlier in

1330
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,399
the week. So that's available right
now. Whenever you're hearing us on the

1331
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,439
pod, watch it if you want, like at one Eastern time and just

1332
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,640
reminiscences if we're there live. But
it's out right now on their YouTube,

1333
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,079
Twitter, Twitch. Whenever you're hearing
this pod, you can hear us handicapping

1334
01:21:50,399 --> 01:21:54,520
the fights this weekend. Rayfael wants
to point out he's been on a roll

1335
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:58,399
the last three weeks. What are
you now after last week? I think

1336
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:03,159
you are now nine in four nine
three nine four something like that. So

1337
01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:06,000
anyway, check it out, check
it out there on the fit. So

1338
01:22:06,079 --> 01:22:09,600
I'm I'm so mad in a way
for not getting to the six and a

1339
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,479
half. Yes, did not get
out of the sixth round. Did not

1340
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,760
in that instance as a as a
decked Louise Nary and look fantastic doing it.

1341
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,760
So we've given you a bunch on
the pod with that, brother Rayfield.

1342
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:26,800
I think we're good. Whatever happens
with the battles in Australia and elsewhere,

1343
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,880
we're here to recap it off the
weekend Sunday night into Monday on the

1344
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,520
Fight for Each Night Recap podcast.
Other than that, have a great weekend,

1345
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,359
my friend, and let's get ready
to see what Loma and Cambosas looks

1346
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,279
like from Australia. Yeah, I'm
looking forward to seeing that. So yeah,

1347
01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:41,760
we'll talk to you on the pot
on Sunday night. It should be

1348
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,960
a lot of fun again. Lock
in with him on his substack on his

1349
01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:47,760
newsletter as well. Read us up
on Big Fight Weekend dot com. You

1350
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:53,039
have been listening to the Big Fight
Weekend preview podcast for Dan Rayfield, I'm

1351
01:22:53,079 --> 01:22:54,239
TJ Reeves enjoyed the fights,