1 00:00:11,359 --> 00:01:29,159 A a a Hey everyone, thanks so much for tuning in to this special 2 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,560 five hundredth episode of Dog Meaning Counters Radio. It's so hard to just wrap 3 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,159 my mind around the fact that we're at the five hundredth episode now. I 4 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:44,719 mean, it seems like just yesterday August twenty second of twenty fifteen. When 5 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,000 I heard that first episode, it seems like it was just yesterday. There's 6 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,959 a little funny, behind the scenes bit of info I'm gonna share with you 7 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:59,519 when I aired that episode. When I recorded Episode one, of course, 8 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,640 I was getting my feet wet and how I was going to handle things, 9 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:08,840 and I didn't have a digital recorder back then. So we recorded that first 10 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:15,479 episode, and then after we wrapped, I went to check on the digital 11 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:20,680 file on the computer and it was gone. So right then and there, 12 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,759 I learned the importance of not relying on recording onto the computer, but rather 13 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,759 recording right into a digital recorder. Luckily, the guests were nice enough to 14 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:35,960 run it back and redo that whole recording right then and there. If they 15 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,560 wouldn't have done that, then I would have really been in a spot. 16 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:45,240 But just behind the scenes information that I wanted to share with you about what 17 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,400 happened with that first episode. Anyway, talking about the fact that it's the 18 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:55,159 five hundredth episode, I can't thank you as the listeners enough for supporting the 19 00:02:55,199 --> 00:03:00,199 show the way you have. And by supporting this, you're not just supporting 20 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:06,000 the show, you're supporting the listeners. If you had a clue how much 21 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:09,639 your support has helped so many eyewitnesses, you just wouldn't believe it. It 22 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,120 helps so much more than you're ever gonna know, and I can't thank you 23 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:20,159 enough for that. But having said all that, for tonight's show, tonight's 24 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,639 guest has had encounters with dog men that just might be as intense or more 25 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,000 intense, and pretty much any encounters that we've aired on this show. I 26 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,360 mean when you listen to what he went through, Wow, he really went 27 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,120 through it. But without any further ado, let's bring him on here now, 28 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:46,759 Matt, please give us a brief bio in yourself from a small town 29 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:55,840 Isle and I'm thirty nine years old, blue collar fabrication welder worker. I 30 00:03:55,919 --> 00:04:06,000 have five children and my wife and they're all really good and uh just simple 31 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:12,400 dude. Well that is given yourself enough credit there. You're not a simple 32 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,560 dude, but you're just being humble, That's all it is. Matt. 33 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,839 You've always had a love of wolves. Have your encounters with dog men affected 34 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:25,879 that? No, not really? Actually, I oh a wolf hybrid. 35 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,279 So, speaking of wolves hybrids, you had a female wolf hybrid with you 36 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:38,319 when you have these encounters. What can you tell us about her? Her 37 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:45,839 name was Crystal, and she was a hybrid gray wolf with German shepherd. 38 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,759 She was almost pure, pure white, a little bit of beige in her, 39 00:04:51,319 --> 00:04:56,800 and then her eyes were a golden orange, just like a type of 40 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,639 wolf's. She was a great dog, very protective of me and my brother's 41 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:09,839 growing up. And she's very very good. I mean she had the qualities 42 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:13,439 of a wolf for sure, but also the qualities of German shepherd, which 43 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:15,800 I think it worked out pretty good. It was one of the best dogs 44 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,600 I ever owned in my life. Listening to you describe her, she sure 45 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:26,079 does sound like she was a great dog, a really good one. You 46 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,439 had your first inc You had your first encounter in the summer of eighty six 47 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:33,240 and the woods near the village of Savona, Ohio. How much time did 48 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:42,480 he spend in the woods back then? It was nineteen ninety six in July 49 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,839 and hot, and as kids, that's really all we had to do was 50 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:55,000 grow up there and just the woods was our thing. That we built forts 51 00:05:55,079 --> 00:06:00,879 back there, jumped dirt, bikes and bikes, and just we did everything 52 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,040 you think of for at the time that we were doing that. We like 53 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:10,439 playing survival, so we would always get our backpacks full of just odds and 54 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,720 d stuff to think of what we would need to be on our own as 55 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,959 kids, you know, twelve years old at thirteen, and we just had 56 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,879 a good time, built little fires back there and played in the cornfields that 57 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:28,600 we were around in the woods and just untill I really had to do in 58 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,560 a little small town. So that's a great way to grow up, spending 59 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,680 all that time out in the woods. Yeah, if more kids grew up 60 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,639 that way, the world would be a much better place. Speaking of that 61 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,319 first encounter, it had a positive dog man related element to it, and 62 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:49,279 it also had really bad ones as well. Knowing it could have left you 63 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:56,839 with somewhat positive views of dog men or monstrous views of them. How do 64 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,959 you view them? Well? How to taste the boat? So I don't 65 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,000 you know, like we had discussed, and it could have been the case 66 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,279 of good cop, bad cop type deal, and I can see dogman working 67 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:17,079 together like that. You know, It's weird after I got done talking to 68 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,120 you, because I never really put a thought to it about the brown one 69 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:26,000 as far as it probably could be playing. But I also still have this 70 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,439 sneaky suspicion that it was a young one but and not knowing what you know, 71 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,639 the ways of what dogmen typically do from what I've heard from other encounters, 72 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,639 which is scared of crap out of people. But I got a taste 73 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:49,480 of both, so it was My thoughts are kind of open still, like 74 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,240 I don't want to go out and searching for one. I know what they're 75 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,839 capable of, what could they do, and I can only imagine, But 76 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,560 yeah, I don't think you can have one of the pet that's for sure. 77 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,720 Poor buddy for that matter. That's pretty much what I think about him. 78 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,680 Yeah, definitely not a pet. I don't see that happening. Maybe 79 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,000 somewhat of an amicable relationship where Okay, that's you over there and this is 80 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,439 me over here, but as far as patting its head and play fetch and 81 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,600 all that stuff, yeah, not going to happen. But I don't know 82 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:28,079 what they fetched for you. I imagine, Yeah, yeah, dear buddy 83 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,399 might come back with a leg Yeah, no kidding. You never know. 84 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,120 All right, Matt, You've got a lot to unpack for us, so 85 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,840 please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that 86 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:46,559 comes to mind. Okay, Well, it was July, I think mid 87 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:52,080 July nineteen ninety six. I was twelve, and my brother was twelve. 88 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:56,200 He's my stepbrother, and my other brother was older than me. It was 89 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:01,279 my stepbrother. But we lived outside of the woods. Was probably about i'd 90 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,440 say a couple of football fields that we lived from it, and where we 91 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,919 lived at there was two horseshoes that they called the horseshoes. So you turn 92 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,240 into it and basically you got houses that you drive by and then yards and 93 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:20,759 you circle around like a horseshoe fashion. And in between the horseshoe fashion was 94 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:28,240 of woods that went back along a torn out railroad track. Well, that 95 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:35,440 torn out railroad track also ran alongside a I guess it was it's pervicco feed 96 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,519 grain that was there at one point. I don't know if it's still there. 97 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:43,720 I don't think it is. There was also back in the day before 98 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,440 I was even born. There was like a little grocery store that ran along 99 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,879 the railroad too, and then that got turned into a big giant house. 100 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:58,879 But so the woods had a runoff pond from the grain bind that was right 101 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,679 behind the pond, and you would see all kinds of stuff out there, 102 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:11,399 frogs, everything. People even dropped their goldfish out there and you'd see goldfish. 103 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:16,320 And so it was the woods would go along the torn out tracks for 104 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:22,159 miles and like, I still don't know where to hell those railroads laid it 105 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:28,120 led to, but I know also there's like woods that went along the I 106 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,480 would say the west, going towards west and then south and west. So 107 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,759 it was kind of like an angle of woods that would go along the whole 108 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:43,279 bay, huge long trail going west, and then the railroad tracks were going 109 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:48,919 south and north, but we had huge mounds that were back there. It 110 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:56,080 led to trails that we had created copping out like branches and trees and routs 111 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,799 out of the system so our bikes wouldn't get caught up in them and everything 112 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,919 else. But there was a lot of brush and a lot of thickness toward 113 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:11,519 the pond area, and we really never went around the pond area but there 114 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:18,960 was a trail that went through going toward the west. So one day we 115 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,879 were doing the whole survival game. It was like a Saturday, I think 116 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,639 either was Saturday Sunday. But I put a whole bunch of stuff in my 117 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:31,360 book bag and I was going to meet my two brothers back there in the 118 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,320 woods with our neighbor. Our neighbor girl, she was a tom girl. 119 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,399 She's like our sister, and so we always hung out together. So I 120 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,240 had Crystal with me, my wolf I IB. We were going in there. 121 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,440 I had Blogney in my backpack. And but at first we were throwing 122 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,759 stuff like everywhere, like I would throw anything and she would go and fetch 123 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:03,080 it woods and she'd just come back tralloping and all that kind of stuff. 124 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,559 And then the one time she didn't come back, and I was like, 125 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:09,480 well, okay, I was sitting there looking around for looking around for her, 126 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:16,200 and then I happened. I noticed probably about i'd say I was twelve, 127 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:22,200 and I was probably a good five seven five eight then, and I 128 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,080 not was aaus, I'm walking around something. I was like it looked like 129 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,000 it was about thirty three feet up and there was brushed all the way around 130 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,720 it, and I noticed it looked like my dog Crystal, but it was 131 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:39,360 real dark brown, and I had a black stream line going down it's muzzle. 132 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:43,759 And I looked at it and I was like, wait, man, 133 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,279 I did a double take, and I just happened. I was like, 134 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,200 well, that looks just like Crystal. What the world? And you know, 135 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,320 for me and for us, we saw animals back there all the time, 136 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,279 including deer, raccoon, possum, and you know, other people's dogs 137 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,840 and neighbors dogs and stray dogs and whatever basically came down the railroad track. 138 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,600 It was back there, but it always seen us, and they'd either be 139 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,679 friendly or they'd just move along. And as I'm looking at this thing, 140 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,440 it looks at me, and it looks at me just like my dog's Ata 141 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,679 does at me when like she's a hambered and wondering what I'm doing. And 142 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:33,000 she's got yellow eyes just like this one had yellow like yellowish amber eyes, 143 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,679 almost like fire but not, but you could definitely tell as it looked at 144 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:43,840 you popped out and I was like, oh, there's another dog, That's 145 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,000 what I thought. So I reached my backpack and got the bologna out, 146 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:50,639 and I was like, well, while Crystal's out and about, I want 147 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:56,200 to go ahead and just hook this little dude up with some baloney. So 148 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:01,080 I threw a piece of bolognia over at it, and I was watching it, 149 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,440 and I grabbed a piece of bloney and I ate it and was showing 150 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,399 it that it's okay or whatever to eat it. It's sniffing, it's doing 151 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,120 its side to side motion up and down. It's looking at me like what 152 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,960 you do? What's that? And like it turned its head a little bit 153 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,120 to the left or right, I can't remember which one, but cocked it 154 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,440 head like a dog wood. And I'm only seeing the head of this thing. 155 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:31,360 And it was a massive head even you know, considered what the dogman 156 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:37,440 encounters I've heard and seeing myself the eight foots its eyes were probably like six 157 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,879 inches apart, and I was like, this is a big fill. I 158 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:43,679 don't know what kind of dog is. It was a big one. And 159 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:48,320 so like it got done sniffing, and it seemed to eat, and it 160 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,799 kind of showed its teeth but didn't it kind of it's like a half half 161 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,240 show. I don't know if you've ever seen dogs do that or not. 162 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:01,480 But it went down to smelled blooneia, and then all of a sudden, 163 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:07,039 it just started eating it and then apparently liked it because it started moving out 164 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:11,519 of the brush a little bit. And I guess the head kind of was, 165 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,279 I don't know how to say it, like coned it. Just as 166 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,279 it's coming out, you can see it like getting a little bit bigger because 167 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:24,639 you can see more details of the head. And I seen a little bit 168 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,200 of the neck at that point, and I was like, this is a 169 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,559 little bit bigger than a normal What the hell is this thing? I don't 170 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,679 think this is a dog. And I was like, it looks just like 171 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,279 Crystal, but way bigger and crystal. She just looked like a wolf, 172 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,639 big tongue, like what you would see in the wild. And so I 173 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,679 threw another piece of boloney at it, and I grabbed another piece and I 174 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,960 sat there and ate it and d ate the other piece, and then I 175 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,559 threw a couple more at it, and it started coming out for and as 176 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:03,279 it came out further, it was just almost all brown, just dark brown. 177 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:08,919 And at this point in time you can see like the muscle definition. 178 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:12,440 And this is like one o'clock during the day, so the sun is like 179 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:18,720 literally bright, but it's where we were at. It was kind of dark 180 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:22,559 for you know, as much brush was there, but you can see the 181 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:26,879 definition of muscle on this bad boy. I was like, Okay, this 182 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,440 is kind of creepy. What's going on here? And you know, as 183 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:37,639 it came out further and further, I threw another piece of bloonney like to 184 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,240 get it to kind of not come out any further because it was starting to 185 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:49,159 freak me out. And as I was looking, it didn't have like it 186 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,960 didn't have like paws like a dog, but it looked like a freaking super 187 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:00,639 built up muscular like pitbull front legs, but with hands like like all the 188 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:07,559 other encounters, really like the raccoon hands, but just beefy. And I 189 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,279 was at that point in time, maybe know being a kid, I didn't 190 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:14,480 know what I was looking at. You know, what I did think of 191 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:19,160 at the time was that it looked like the American werewolf in London type of 192 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:27,079 wolf, but like without looking crazy. And it looked like it had a 193 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:33,599 curious demeanor on it, like it didn't seem like its defenses were up. 194 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:41,880 It seemed I guess the word best word to be curious. It just and 195 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:48,359 it kind of just came out a little further. And as it came out 196 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,480 further, and then my all of a sudden, my doll, Crystal, 197 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,680 she all just started bolting tortoise and scared crap out of me because she's just 198 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:03,960 barking and ground behind and she's got in front of me. And as she 199 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,279 got in front of me, was ground and barking, and her ears were 200 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:12,279 caught down and cocked back at an angle like she was. I've never seen 201 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:17,400 her like that either, And she growled like something the double would do or 202 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,599 something. And this thing started showing its teeth and it growled a little bit, 203 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,440 and then next thing, you know, the trees in the distance, 204 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:33,519 probably thirty yards away, started splitting, and I was like, what in 205 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:37,359 the And I'm sitting there trying to look at the trees on the back and 206 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,960 looking at this thing in front of me and trying to get Crystal away, 207 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:45,240 and then the tree and it's getting closer towards me, and that it's just 208 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,519 I just seen the massive black head just pop. It was so fast I 209 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:56,839 didn't even have time to say what and up and it was on me. 210 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,920 It was right in front of me, and at that point in time, 211 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:03,039 and the brown one turned around like almost like a I don't know if you've 212 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:08,039 ever seen a cat jump up and then shift its weight to look back, 213 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,279 and it seemed that. And then it went up and it literally backed into 214 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:18,799 me and was basically it seemed like it was I don't know if it was 215 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:26,720 trying to protect me or what, but that was the sense I got out 216 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:32,920 of it. Crystals. In the meantime, she's pulling on my jeans trying 217 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,559 to get me to go, and I'm just stuck where I'm at. I 218 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:38,720 didn't know what to do. And what I'm looking at in front of the 219 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:48,480 brown one is this giant terminator looking steroided out black one with fur everywhere and 220 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,359 it's big dog haunchers and his calves on. This thing was as big as 221 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,000 my head. And I'm just looking at this thing. I wanting to cry, 222 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:02,799 wanting to just anything could think of it. I'm so stunned and shocked 223 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:06,039 at the same time. I just like, what do you do when it's 224 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:10,799 something that you see? Now that I can relate that one to would be 225 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:17,039 like the van helsing where wolf the black one and then the brown one looked 226 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:19,920 like the brown one in the van helsing one but different. And then the 227 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,519 black one had a lot more fur than the one in the van helsing. 228 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:33,720 But its eyes were God, those eyes were like fire like it was looking 229 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:38,480 at you could look at it without like actually looking down to look at it 230 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:42,880 was to feel like certain death, to be honest with you, that was 231 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,799 the fear. The feeling I got like I'm going to die if this if 232 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:55,599 I look at this thing in the eyes or anywhere near its face. And 233 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:02,039 the brown one just kind of kicked me back away from me and the black 234 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:07,920 woman it resembled like a parent scorning a child, or like somebody just yelling 235 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,359 at another one, and it's kind of like taking it, you know. 236 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:17,759 And Crystal pull means she's starting to drag me at that point in time, 237 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:21,119 because I've seen her drag deers. She had two deers, and she's dragged 238 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,000 out that wood before for our family left the backyard for us, and I 239 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,319 guess I was a perk of having a wolf fire. But she had started 240 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:36,599 dragging me out, and I kind of caught like conscious or whatever, and 241 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,640 I was probably about twenty or thirty yards from the exit of the woods, 242 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:48,759 and I freaking paled like as fast as I could, and Crystal was right 243 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,519 next to me as I was running away and finally got to my house. 244 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:56,960 I didn't even stop running. I finally got there. That was the end 245 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,440 of the first encounter. I didn't see nothing, to hear nothing after that 246 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:10,319 for a minute. So it was I don't even think it was a week 247 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:18,319 later, not even maybe a couple of days. I'm at sleeping at night 248 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,680 time. And this is in regards to the second encounter. And it must, 249 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,839 it must attract me back to my house being only like two football fields 250 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:33,960 away, I'm sure, and everything else that I've heard on other counters, 251 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,759 that's what happens. It sensed me and smelled me and probably smelled my dog 252 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,759 and tracked me back to my house. And like, as I was sleeping, 253 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:52,319 I felt like I was getting talked to in my head and like I 254 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,799 was having a weird dream, like like I don't know how to explain it, 255 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,960 like like don't come into the woods, the woods aren't safe right now, 256 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:11,039 and YadA, YadA, YadA. And I woke up to tapping on 257 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:19,839 glass and there it was the brown one and I could see it almost we 258 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,640 had a light on the left side. As I'm looking out of my window. 259 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:29,000 We had a light on my neighbor's house and it wasn't directly shining on 260 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:34,519 it, but it was like a glare off that light that you could see 261 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:40,400 it without being in the light. So I knew it was the brown One. 262 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:44,359 And it was almost like it was talking to me in my sleep. 263 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,680 And it was weird because I know it sounds crazy, but that's what it 264 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,039 felt like. And I didn't even feel like I was in danger with that 265 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,039 Brown One, and I kind of freaked out and I didn't know what to 266 00:23:56,079 --> 00:24:00,079 do, and I ran to my mom and dad in their room. They 267 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,759 told me I was having a nightmare and it was the werewolf movies. That 268 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:06,160 I need to stop the were wolf movies. And I'm like, I have 269 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:08,920 only watched like two or three of them in my life, halling gain. 270 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:15,799 One of them was Scared the Crap album I was a kid, and I 271 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,759 want to say Silver Bullet and American Worbolf from London, those are the ones. 272 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,880 As a kid, I was like, I never watched I watched them 273 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,720 one time and never wanted to watch them again. Just scared the crap out 274 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,599 of me. But I went back to my room when mom and dad told 275 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,000 me to go back to my room and they weren't there. It wasn't there, 276 00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,400 and they just kept telling me it was a dream and I'm like, 277 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,000 no, this was real, and I'm telling you it was. They argued 278 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:47,400 with me for a while and they thought I was crazy, and I told 279 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,640 my brothers about it, told my neighbor about it, and they all did 280 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,640 that I was nuts and it was just another dog and just I'm messing with 281 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,799 him, which I kind of can't blame him because I wasn't jokester back in 282 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:03,200 the day, and yeah, being an immateurre a twelve year old and just 283 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,759 growing up with them and stuff. But that was the end of my second 284 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:21,440 encounter. My third encounter with them was at nighttime again, and this it 285 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:34,200 was way worse than any other ones. I was sitting there sleeping, and 286 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:41,319 again it felt like I was This time, I felt like really weird and 287 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:48,519 scared, like something was wrong, and you just get that sensation of like 288 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,240 something's bad and it's about to happen. And it woke me up out of 289 00:25:52,359 --> 00:26:03,799 dead sleep and as I'm looking the I kind of shake a little bit now 290 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:10,279 and I'm really getting out of this. Uh. I see the black one 291 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:19,759 and it's huge and it's literally staring right at me, and you can see 292 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:25,680 the fog from its breath, and it was a cool night, and its 293 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:30,920 hand was like a third of my window and its head was the rest of 294 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,400 it, and as like it was, it licked the window and I could 295 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,519 see the eyes just glowing at me, and then it licks the window. 296 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,920 It glicks the fog right off that window, and it's just smell smelling me, 297 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:56,160 and I don't know what to do on that when I freaked out and 298 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:03,200 went back to mom and Dad's room again, and Dad got up and looked 299 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:11,720 and wasn't there. And that just that one threw me for a loop because 300 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:18,200 it basically, you know, I heard the growl and it rattled the window, 301 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,920 and it almost like it rattles the very core of your body when you 302 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:37,559 happens. And the fourth one, it wasn't so bad, but it was 303 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:52,880 scary and I was sleeping again, and the brown werewolf or dog man, 304 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,039 what do you want to call it, basically was there and like it. 305 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,359 I swear it sounds weird, but it's like it was talking to me. 306 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,039 And I said that you don't have to worry no more. We're getting ready 307 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,119 to leave. The woods will be fine and safe. That's the vibe I 308 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:18,119 was getting in my head like it was weird, and the Black One pushed 309 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:26,759 it over and kind of gave me this sneer and growl and I disappeared. 310 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:37,920 And it's pretty much the gist of it. Those were allmind counters. That's 311 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880 way too much for any kid to have to deal with, for any adult 312 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,400 to deal with. But when you're that young, yeah, you just don't 313 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,640 handle stressful situations nearly as well as an adult. Wood. But like I 314 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,680 said, even if you're an older adult, I mean, how do you 315 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,759 take those experiences and deal with them in a healthy way? Yeah, that's 316 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:04,480 not easy at all. Matt. I've got a question for you from fiber 317 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,279 Geek, and fiber Geek wants to know, Matt, do you think the 318 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,960 Big One was a male protecting a female or maybe a parent protecting a child. 319 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,119 I never thought about the aspect of a female during the story. I 320 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,400 likened it to a parent protecting a child. It's the only thing I can 321 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:30,160 think of because of how Crystal was acting toward it is the literal only reason 322 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,920 I can think of that it did what it did. But it could be 323 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:37,880 just me being in the mere presence of it, I don't know, Or 324 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,039 it could have been both. I mean, I try to put myself in 325 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,839 the shoes as the black woman, and if I would have saul or sensed 326 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,519 my young one or my woman, you know, or my female and some 327 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,440 sort of danger, I would have definitely done the same thing to you know 328 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,119 that I think about it. So it very well could have been both or 329 00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:02,119 one or the other as far as that goes. Did you notice any anatomical 330 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,480 features on the brown one that might have given the impression it might have been 331 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,559 a female. No, I didn't notice any of that that, you know, 332 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,440 in my recollection, females, you know, as far as dogs as 333 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:26,160 I'm looking at it as a kid, females always had their I guess, 334 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:33,240 aerials or you know, they're teats that have like six of them, you 335 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,640 know, three on each side going down towards their stomach area. And that's 336 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:38,680 you know, that's where I would have thought it would have been if I 337 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,640 just I didn't notice anything like that. It's just too enambored with what the 338 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,039 hell was in front of me. Oh of course, yeah, if you 339 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,079 have all that going on. Looking for teats is the last thing that's going 340 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,119 to be in your mind. But when it comes to female dog man, 341 00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:59,680 it can go both ways. Some female dogmen have two teats, others have 342 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:04,079 molultiples. So there really is no rhyme nor reason on that looks like. 343 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:10,480 I have another question for you from Aline Isabelle, and that question is couldn't 344 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,759 your dad see any lick marks on your window? Well? Yeah, probably, 345 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,759 but we had dogs and all that kind of stuff, so they were 346 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,880 always on our windows or you know, as out in the country, it 347 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,279 is dirt on your windows regardless if you especially since we lived next to a 348 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,880 field, so I mean a very welcome That's not something I would have. 349 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,519 I mean, you see paul marks on our glass and all the time, 350 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:45,640 so that's just not something that was strange to us. No, I understand. 351 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:52,160 I've got another question for you from shennon human Easier and Shannon's question is 352 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:59,599 where did this happen? At? What state? Happened in Savonnah village? 353 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,720 All right. When we had that first conversation, Matt, I was really 354 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:14,359 on the fence about whether to pose that possibility, to raise that possibility to 355 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:21,079 you about it possibly being a situation where those two were playing good dog me 356 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,799 and bad dog mean on you. That maybe they're in on that together, 357 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:29,279 but I don't really see any benefit to them doing that. If they would 358 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,440 have done that to manipulate you into letting your guard down, that'd be one 359 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,680 thing, and then later after the fact, do something that would exploit that, 360 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,240 exploit the fact that you'd lowered your guard. But nothing like that ever 361 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,559 happened. So the more I think about it, I just doubt that was 362 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:52,440 the case. I think that brown one actually was displaying altruistic behavior, trying 363 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,319 to look out for your best interests. I really do. Like I said 364 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,880 that, it's kind of what I gathered from it, Like it didn't seem 365 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,079 like it was wanting to harm me when it showed I showed it like you 366 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,920 know, I guess kindness in a way like you've given free food out to 367 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,640 somebody, and not showing any type of ill will towards something or someone. 368 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:21,480 If they're this intelligent creature that I've heard from other people on other encounters and 369 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,119 as far as when we had discussed you said they were super intelligent, and 370 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:31,279 I feel like they're intelligent myself, so I don't see any reason. Well, 371 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:37,440 they definitely are super intelligent. Yeah, definitely. I've got another question 372 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:42,240 for you from Blood Vipa, and his question is do you think your dad 373 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:49,000 denied it trying to protect you. I don't know, to be honestly, 374 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,920 I know he made me watch a lot of world movies afterwards. I don't 375 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,720 know if you liked it because I've freaked out about them or what. But 376 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,480 he might have probably tried to desensitize me with all watching them, because that 377 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:04,759 was what he would do all the time for a good month. Huh. 378 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,719 That is strange. Maybe he was trying to in some way desensitize you. 379 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,519 After all. It's hard to say that was a good way to do it 380 00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,639 because some movies back in the day when I was a kid, you scared 381 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:22,280 the crap out of me. So then you have those experiences, Yeah, 382 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:27,559 those are and you see what's messed up. It's like, I really I 383 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,920 stopped even trying to talk about that kind of stuff because you know, when 384 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,440 your own dad, your own mom, your own brothers, and your neighbor 385 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,280 he was all close to you, tell you you just full of crap and 386 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,360 you're just joking. I was like, I know, I promise you I'm 387 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,960 not joking literally, I wish that. You know. It's to the point 388 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,360 where, like I almost wish I had a claw mark or something just to 389 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,760 prove them, like I got a slice luck. I don't know why you 390 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,239 can't believe me, but after a while, you know, I'm almost forty 391 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:02,079 twelve years old. It's twenty eight years of really not being able to talk 392 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:07,840 about it. Yeah, it's really unfortunate. I call that a prison without 393 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,960 walls. So many eyewitnesses go through that, they have these horrendous encounters with 394 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,519 dog men, and unfortunately they can't reach out to their significant others in a 395 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,880 lot of cases or they're a family because they become a punchline if they do. 396 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:27,280 If I had a nickel for every time I was told that someone told 397 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,079 their significant other about a bad dogman encounter and they were made fun of, 398 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,119 and then after that did every family get together. They become the punchline. 399 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:42,360 Family members poke fun at them for their quote unquote where wolf encounter, I'd 400 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,280 be a really rich man. And if it doesn't, it just doesn't get 401 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:52,480 more disgusting than that. That's just horrible. It really is. You told 402 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,079 us about how much time you like to spend in the woods before these encounters 403 00:35:55,079 --> 00:36:00,840 happened. But after the encounters did happen, did you spend any time in 404 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,320 the woods or did you just totally swear off going back in. It was 405 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:19,400 let's see, it happened. Yeah, it happened in the timeframe which was 406 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:27,000 weird, from ninety six of summer of ninety six to the fall of ninety 407 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,719 seven. That was the lasting encounter we had, and I really didn't go 408 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,320 back there too much, if at all. It just didn't, you know, 409 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,239 feel right. But after that last encounter, basically, you know, 410 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:45,239 I didn't know if it was trying to be legit tell me that they were 411 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,360 no longer growing to be in the area or something. I noticed we didn't 412 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,079 have any deer anymore, Like nobody hunted back there, no more, not 413 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:59,559 for sure. Yeah, there was no deer ever, so I know those 414 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:05,199 were probably taken out and it must have went dry or on the food source, 415 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,920 you know what I mean. There was there was a pond there, 416 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,559 yeah, but it was a lot of the wildlife that was missing. You 417 00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,559 know, we used to see a bunch it was teeming with wildlife on our 418 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:22,880 woods and we had cornfields one side beans on another. So they had an 419 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,360 ample amount of food supply anywhere they went as far as the animals, so 420 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,920 there would be no reason why they would not be there. So but during 421 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:38,000 the fall time we started going back there again that we would do, you 422 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:42,679 know, our bike riding, our sledding back here because of all the drifts 423 00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,800 and stuff, and well, they were never there anymore. And you could 424 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,960 definitely tell because the trees had no leaves, there was no brush, no 425 00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:55,360 nothing. You could actually look through the woods and yeah, we never nobody 426 00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,400 got any freakiness weird feelings. I sure didn't, and you know the first 427 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:05,599 mettion, A couple of times I did after that. It was really the 428 00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,920 big issue. I think I've dealt with the best because they have them while 429 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,199 I was young, I had a lot of years to do on it. 430 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,159 Well, that can work for you or against you. In some instances it 431 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,280 works to your favor, but there are quite a few instances where it doesn't, 432 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:31,880 unfortunately. And talking about all the game that was depleted, people ask 433 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,400 me all the time if it's a common thing for eyewitnesses to report seeing more 434 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,400 than one dog me in together, and I tell them, no, it's 435 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:45,679 not a common thing. It's not unprecedented. Credible eyewitnesses do report seeing more 436 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,239 than one dog me in together. But I think that's got to be a 437 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,239 very rare thing. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you the same 438 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,280 thing I tell them. If you think about the daily caloric requirements of a 439 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,800 dog men, just imagine if you have more than one in an area, 440 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:07,079 how much quicker all the resources are going to be depleted. I mean, 441 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,599 if two dog men, three dogmen especially or more stayed in one particular area 442 00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,679 for any period of time, I don't think there would be anything left to 443 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,800 eat. So that's why I think they almost always make it happen to just 444 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,400 hang out alone, because that's not that big of a threat. By doing 445 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,000 that, compared to sticking around in numbers, you said it yourself that there 446 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,519 weren't any more dear the game just pretty much disappeared. What's clear that, 447 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,599 at least for a certain period of time, you had two dog men in 448 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:43,719 that area. So that could very easily be why, very easily be why 449 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:52,800 I would say subconsciously, that's definitely why. You know, thinking about it 450 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,119 and all that kind of stuff. As I got older about a lot of 451 00:39:54,159 --> 00:40:00,320 things led a lot of time to get some different perception and clarity a lot 452 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,559 of this stuff. Oh, it definitely makes sense. I've got another question 453 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,840 for you from Dennis's theory alt and Dennis's question is how has this affected your 454 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:19,480 life and your outlook on life? No, I don't think, okay, 455 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:29,559 I guess kind of like when I was younger, I always used to use 456 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:42,559 the the rage and the seriousness and how the black One acted. I guess 457 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:49,000 I always kept that image and how it acted in my head. Whenever I 458 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:54,719 came to like an altercation with with somebody in the human world, when like 459 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:01,599 they deserved it, like like a fight or something, I would it almost 460 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:08,960 like ivibing the spirit of that black the black One. And as I got 461 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:15,360 older and I had children, I guess I invibed the spirit of that one, 462 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:20,679 because that's why I feel like that the brown one was it's it was 463 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,199 like the half the size of it, you know, the black one had 464 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,920 to be eight and a half nine feet. I don't know. At twelve 465 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,639 years old, it's kind of hard to judge when something's towering over top of 466 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:37,039 you and you're not really good at measurement math at that point in your life. 467 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,840 But you know, as I got older, I have children on my 468 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,800 own, and I can only imagine what I do if somebody I didn't know 469 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:52,519 was around my child. And I'm pretty sure i'd act like that protective in 470 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:59,320 nature and I wouldn't mess around. But other than that, like it hasn't 471 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,360 really affected me, and it has to this extent. There'd be times where 472 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,599 I can let my dogs out in at night time, I can stare off 473 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,199 in the in my yard and all of a sudden, I feel like I 474 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:14,360 see a black one, but I know for a fact it's not there. 475 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:21,159 But that's about the only way I can, I guess say it affected me. 476 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,519 But in reality, I don't think it has much. I learned from 477 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,159 it more than anything. Well, I'm sure you did. I'm sure you 478 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,480 learned a lot of things from that experience or those experiences. I've got another 479 00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,159 question for you from Blood Vipa, and he wants to know do you think 480 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:45,920 that it was a family unit or a pack. I would tend to think 481 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,519 it was a family unit. A pack would seem to be I would say 482 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:53,440 at least four or five, and I only seem two. There could have 483 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,159 been a mom, there could have been I don't know if that was the 484 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,760 mom, I would assume it's a dad's was. I hate to see what 485 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,960 mom would look like, dude, because you're worse from all the other encounters, 486 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,199 they're more vicious. But I don't know, I really don't know. 487 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,079 Yeah, that's normally not the case. Normally the males are going to be 488 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:24,039 more prone to not necessarily violence, but do violent displays. I guess to 489 00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:29,840 try and get a rise out of you. Yeah, I've got another question 490 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,880 for you from Keith Smith, and Keith wants to know. I know this 491 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,639 is a weird question, but do dogmen have genitalia like a human man or 492 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,599 like a dog? Now, I know you're not a researcher, so you 493 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:44,480 wouldn't know this, and I'm not a researcher either. I just happen to 494 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,400 know quite a few things about dog men. So I'm going to answer this 495 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,280 question for you, Kate, to let you know that normally their faullous looks 496 00:43:52,360 --> 00:44:00,639 like that of a dog's. I can say this for from my point of 497 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:06,519 view, and I was pretty much head level, I would assume it had 498 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:15,679 a big old hang dang. Yeah, I'd say some grape fruits. That's 499 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:21,559 about it. Did you notice it swingers on the front or on the back? 500 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,400 Can you reiterate that? Sure? If you saw it swingers, did 501 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,320 you see it when it turned around and had its back to you or from 502 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:39,400 the front, did you say fingers swingers testicles? Oh? Okay, gotcha. 503 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,119 Well I've seen it from the back. As I'm running away, I'm 504 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:51,840 kind of keeping my head going back toward it and towards the exit of it. 505 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:57,239 And just like how you see a Rott Waller's, it's pretty much the 506 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:07,760 same premise there. It is. I knew i'd seen a question by someone 507 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,679 that wasn't in all caps. I just found it. It's from Tommy Cooper, 508 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,559 and Tommy wants to know, do you think they're a harbinger of death? 509 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:27,039 They're definitely capable of that, without of doubt. In my mind, 510 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:34,480 they could from what I saw, they could probably just tear a human in 511 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:40,239 half. And I mean there's as far as a harbinger, I don't think 512 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,559 it's. It definitely bring you death if you call I mean, if it 513 00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,800 calls for it, it'll bring you death. And I mean if you confront 514 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,599 it and challenge it, I'm sure you're probably gonna die. There's no ifstands 515 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,119 but about it. You'd have to have one of the largest calibers they make 516 00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,920 to probably take this thing down, and I mean probably four or five times, 517 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:06,880 and that's assuming you can even have the speed to shoot it before it 518 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,679 gets to you that end, put that bullet on target where it needs to 519 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,400 go. So, I mean the way they make you feel, I'd be 520 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,119 impressed if you ain't shaken four or five inches from each side. Oh sure, 521 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,039 yeah, definitely. Yeah, something like that standing in front of you, 522 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,719 that's giving the impression that it wants to wipe you off the map, 523 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,920 then yeah, it's really going to rattle you. Definitely it is. And 524 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:37,119 because of the trauma from those experiences. We talked about this in our first 525 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:43,079 conversation, that big black dog man, if it really wanted to kill you, 526 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,599 there wasn't a thing that little brown one could have done to stop it 527 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,199 if it really wanted to do that. Like I said in that first conversation, 528 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,679 that brown one might have slowed it down just a little bit, but 529 00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,239 it definitely could not have stopped it. So every indication is that black one 530 00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:04,519 it just wanted to get a rise out of you. That's a repeating m 531 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,079 with these guys. They'll do everything they can to make you think they want 532 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,840 to eviscerate you, but when it comes down to it, you'll leave the 533 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,800 experience without a heart, without a single scratch on your body. So please 534 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:22,440 don't lose sight of that. Got a question for you from Camille Jonas, 535 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,239 and Camille's question is have you shared your story with your wife and children? 536 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:36,239 If so, how have they responded? Uh? Oh, can you hear 537 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:45,000 me? Oh? Was right? Can you hear me? Sorry about that? 538 00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,880 No, you're fine? Can you hear me now? Yes, sir? 539 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,119 Okay, great. I've got a question for you from Camille Jonas, 540 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,679 and Camille's question is have you shared your story with your wife and children? 541 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:06,440 If so, how they responded. As far as my wife, no, 542 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:12,320 I don't, and she's probably gonna know tonight after this, and she's probably 543 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,559 can think I'm crazy, like I told her, because I told her I 544 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:20,760 was going to do your show, and I didn't tell her what it was 545 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,360 about, but I said, you just think I'm crazy, And if he 546 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,280 wants to use it for the show or whatever, then you'll find out. 547 00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:35,800 But as far as my kids now, it's kind of fun though to use 548 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:43,599 a werewolf mask for to have fun with them, because that's I found out 549 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,960 that that really does strike fear into him when you do some pranks to them. 550 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,079 So other than that, No, my kids will probably think I'm crazy. 551 00:48:53,559 --> 00:49:01,440 Not just like I said, kept it to myself understandably so and like 552 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,599 I said, it really is a shame it has to be that way. 553 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:08,320 But it's totally understandable. And if your wife and kids do think you're crazy, 554 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,239 I mean, that's on them, you know the truth. They don't 555 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,679 and that's why they feel the way they do if they do wind up thinking 556 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,000 that you're crazy. So yeah, that's when it comes down to it. 557 00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,639 That's not a you problem, that's a them problem. Please remember that. 558 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,639 I've got a question for you from Scott B. And Scott wants to know 559 00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:32,719 have you ever been to Land between the Lakes lbl Oh No, absolutely not. 560 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:40,199 No, I don't want to wrong guy now going I've heard too many 561 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,360 stories about that place and then you're guaranteed to probably get hemmed up by one 562 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:52,400 of them bad boys. Yep. As far as wanting to go like it's 563 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,360 the same premise of going out into the ocean, the deep sea ocean they're 564 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,079 in the shark's kitchen. Yeah, you're definitely in their kitchen at that point 565 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:07,679 in time. It's so secluded and desolate out there. I'm good. Yeah, 566 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,960 a lot of bad things have happened out there, so I get it. 567 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:17,239 I understand. I've got another question for you from Cody Lusario. And 568 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:24,599 Cody's question is any guesses on how tall each dog man was. As far 569 00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:32,760 as brown one, it never really stood up fully, I mean, as 570 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,599 it did try to stand up back then toward me like having its like it 571 00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:46,440 had its arms out like, and I was behind it and Crystal was underneath 572 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,719 my legs at that point in time when the black one come out, and 573 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,920 the black one literally, oh man, I'm telling you it probably eight and 574 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,000 a half nine feet tall. And then I'd say the brown one hunched over 575 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:05,079 was every bit of four and a half five feet twelve as it was hunched 576 00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:10,119 over. If it stood up, I imagine it was probably maybe six and 577 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:17,239 a half seven, but I don't know for sure. That's pretty big, 578 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,000 Bud, Yeah, compared to the black one, not that big at all. 579 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,679 I've got another question for you from Blood Vipa, and he wants to 580 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,079 know seeing that at such a young age. How did it affect your going 581 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:40,639 out in the forest in the area. It didn't affect me so much, 582 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:47,840 so probably nineteen ninety eight and above the whole pretty much the whole year rest 583 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,880 of ninety six and the whole year of ninety seven, it kind of it 584 00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:55,239 kind of got to me. But like I said, it was during the 585 00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,440 fall that I had to last encounter, and we went out there during when 586 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,519 it was snow time, so I would say December, December January area. 587 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:12,480 That's when I started going back into the woods. I felt like the brown 588 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,480 one didn't lie to me or if that's you know, what happened, because 589 00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,719 like I said, it felt like it was talking to me when I was 590 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,639 in my sleep. And I don't know if that's legit or if that's a 591 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,960 clairvoyance or something. I don't know, if that's God, I don't know. 592 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:32,880 They could be a plethora of things for all I know. But all 593 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,000 I know is they weren't back there anymore after that. Thank goodness for that. 594 00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:43,599 The brown one definitely helped you out. But yeah, I'm just glad 595 00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:47,280 that both of them left because if even the brown one hung around, oh 596 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:52,320 yeah, really unsure to say, what would have happened down. If the 597 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,440 brown one hung out, I'd just be afraid to get a scratch and it 598 00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:58,519 smelled my blood, and it really won't me. You know, even they 599 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:01,280 would try to help me, or they'd help me or whatever, I'd still 600 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,000 be worried about being lunch. Oh sure, that'n understand about it. Because 601 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,800 even my wolf that I have now my hybrid, if she sees or smells 602 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,400 raw meat, you know, next to her regular diet of dog food, 603 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,719 if she smells the raw meat, when I pull that out to give to 604 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,880 her, her eyes go different, just like the black ones was. So 605 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,639 I know for a fact that would have been meat lunch meat to the brown 606 00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,159 one. If I ever, you know, felt like it wanted to eat 607 00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:37,960 me, that had blood or anything on me, I'm pretty sure it would 608 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,840 act just like a wolf and come after me. I really doubt that, 609 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,679 because if these guys had trouble feeding themselves, that'd be one thing. But 610 00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:52,559 if you think mountain lions are deer killing machines, these guys make mountain lions 611 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,920 look like rank amateurs. So, like I said, they don't have any 612 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,639 trouble feeding themselves. And if you think about it, why is a dog 613 00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:04,159 man want to eat a nasty tasting human when it could go and just dispatch 614 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,280 a deer and enjoy venison. So I can appreciate you feeling that way because 615 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,159 the fear factor. But yeah, I mean the evidence, after speaking with 616 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,559 thousands and thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses, the evidence points in a different direction, 617 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:24,239 So please keep that in mind. Did you suffer from insomnia because of the 618 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:31,400 trauma number one and also those conversations those mind speak seemingly mine speak conversations in 619 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:37,400 your sleep or were you still able to sleep fairly well? Oh, I 620 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:45,360 have been zombia to this day. I I I probably get about not a 621 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,840 lucky night, four and a half hours of sleep, but it's interrupted sleep. 622 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,559 I catch myself, I wake myself up, like by talking in my 623 00:54:54,599 --> 00:55:02,679 sleep. Just weird stuff I've had. It was not even not even four 624 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,119 or five months ago. I had a dream and felt like I was back 625 00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:13,559 at the back when I was twelve years old again and just different aspects of 626 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:17,800 that dream of what happened. Just but I know what really happened. You 627 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,159 know, there's just different scenarios of play along in dreams you have no control 628 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,639 over. But yeah, it was like three or four months ago that I 629 00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:29,239 had a dream where I was back there again, but it happened differently. 630 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,679 Wow. I was hoping that all the nightmares would be a thing of the 631 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,119 past now, but unfortunately, Yeah, sounds like that's not the case. 632 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:43,079 Hopefully before too long they won't keep popping up. But I guess time will 633 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:49,079 tell them that. I've got a comment from Scott b in reference to that 634 00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:52,000 question he asked about the LBL. He says, I lived three hours from 635 00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:57,679 LBL the land between the lakes. I fished tournaments there quite a lot. 636 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,079 Never seen one. It's something to keep in mind there. Pretty fortunate, 637 00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:08,119 Yeah, definitely. I mean if I was here, I just got straight 638 00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:12,679 on fish instead of looking out in the woods and trying to look for something. 639 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:20,480 Just do your thing and fish and you'll be lucky. Well, life 640 00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:24,119 does go on. I mean, you're a young guy. You're a really 641 00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:28,239 young guy, Matt, and I hope at some point you know, not 642 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,280 too much weight on a young back, but I hope at some point down 643 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,440 the road you are comfortable enough to head back into the woods again. Baby 644 00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,760 steps. Don't just rush out there. But I hope you can't good in 645 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:45,400 the woods now it's just when he was talking about the Land between Legs and 646 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:51,280 the LBL, which is absolutely famous for Cryptid's period, let alone the dogmen, 647 00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,800 and me being already familiar with the dog Man, I don't want to 648 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,119 even know what else is out there, let alone a whole bunch of dog 649 00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:05,480 men's sightings encountered out there. I am good. I just know when not 650 00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:09,559 to go into another's kitchen. Being able to head back into the woods is 651 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:14,599 one thing. Being able to head back into the woods and actually enjoy yourself, 652 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:19,119 that's something totally different when you do head back into the woods. Now, 653 00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,599 can you enjoy yourself at all? Or are you just on edge the 654 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:31,880 whole time? Uh? Yes, and no. You know I was always 655 00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:37,079 you know, when I have a hundred friends, hunter buddies and stuff like 656 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:42,400 that, you know it's something to enjoy. But it's also something you know. 657 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,280 You're acting when you're hunting, and you're acting as if you're a prouder 658 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,239 to yourself, So you have to be on edge. You have to be 659 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,199 aware of your surroundings in the same sense. So I've always kind of had 660 00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:59,760 that going into the woods, irregardless of whether I was seeing them or not. 661 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:07,000 I just I guess it's sixth sense to always be when you're always out 662 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,519 in the woods anyway, you have wild animals constantly. You know, I'm 663 00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:14,440 not sitting there thinking about a dog man at any point in time. There's 664 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:20,000 other animals out there that can hurt you. And so you'd have to be 665 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,840 a fool to go to the woods and not necessarily on edge, but at 666 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,519 least be aware of your surroundings. That is what I typically do. I 667 00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:34,840 wouldn't say I'm on edge anymore when I like I was when I was a 668 00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,079 kid. That's good, That's really good. Yeah, sounds like you can 669 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,239 enjoy your time in the woods. Of course, you're not letting your guard 670 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,239 down. You're staying aware of your surroundings, which, just like you said, 671 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,519 that's always a very good idea And as strange as it might sound to 672 00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:53,599 some people, I head into the woods myself. I mean, I go 673 00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:58,079 when I can. Because of my work schedule, it's not very easy. 674 00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:02,679 But when I get when I can, I like to go for nice long 675 00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:06,559 walks through the woods. I've got a woods here, a big woods behind 676 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,480 me that it does have dog men, it does have sasquatch. And I 677 00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:14,119 had out unarmed. As strange as it might sound, some of these people 678 00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:17,599 where I see posting comments that if you go into the woods unarmed, you're 679 00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:22,199 just a lunatic. If you only knew how many times I've headed into the 680 00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:27,000 woods and walked from miles without anyone else with me, without a gun. 681 00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:31,960 And here I am if you talk about a chess piece. If the dog 682 00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:37,000 men, if they wanted me, they'd have me dead to rights. And 683 00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:44,079 I truly because of all the dogmen eyewitnesses I help, I'm like the queen 684 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,719 on the chess board. I guess probably even the king on the chess board. 685 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,360 If they could take me out, then you know, they could affect 686 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,920 all these eyewitnesses and I'd be one less person out there trying to help them 687 00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:00,400 recover. So yeah, I mean, if they were nearly as dan dress 688 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,760 as it's all too easy to make them out to be, even yeah, 689 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,320 I just flat out wouldn't be here. Am I gonna say that they're safe 690 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,719 to be around? No, I'm not going to say that anymore than anything 691 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,119 out there is safe to be around, because, yeah, you have devint 692 01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:20,519 examples of whatever you name it, and you're gonna find devent examples there are 693 01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,360 deviant people, serial killers who will kill you as soon as look at you. 694 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,800 So how could you say that? That? Right there is why I'm 695 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,760 not going to say that. I will say this. You being out in 696 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,000 the woods where there's no dog man, you got some big swangers like yourself, 697 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,440 like the black dog Man I've seen. You got some big swangers yourself, 698 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:44,840 buddy, with uh no side arm. The way I look at it 699 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,320 is, I want to be in that woods with a side arm, and 700 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,519 if they do get me, which it's possible they could, I'm still gonna 701 01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:53,000 try and put a bullet in that thing and leave a mark in it before 702 01:00:53,039 --> 01:01:00,360 I go. I'm not gonna sit there and not let it get some sort 703 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,599 of revenge on it. I guess they better hope they're getting good. I'm 704 01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:13,719 six three and three hundred pounds, so big snack. Understand Matt that in 705 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,440 a lot of cases, these guys will bluff charge you with no intentions on 706 01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:22,679 following through and actually attacking you. So if you're going to fire on one, 707 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:29,320 I always tell people, please be sure that you're just convinced that you're 708 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,280 going to die anyway, because if this is a bluff charge and you shoot 709 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:37,239 one that didn't intend to actually take you out, if it was just a 710 01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,559 bluff charge. If you shoot it now, things really get sideways, So 711 01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:45,559 please keep that in mind. The way I think about it is if I 712 01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:51,840 just approach it, and from all the encounters that I've listened to over this 713 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,119 past oh I can't even remember how long now, but all the encounters I've 714 01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:00,400 listened to, I think it really debates. It really depends on on your 715 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:07,599 spirit, who you are, how you react, and you know, I'm 716 01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:12,599 assuming if you do shoot it, it's probably going to get you or do 717 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,679 some malicious things to mess with you. All kinds of things can go wrong 718 01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:22,679 with that, but it's you know, having a sidearm regardless. To me, 719 01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,280 it gives me a peace of mind. And that's all I really need 720 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,199 when you're in the woods is have a piece of mind. Knowing that they're 721 01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:37,760 an apex predator and we aren't the apex predator. That kind of sucks, 722 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:43,039 but in the same sense, I you know, I'm well adjusted to it. 723 01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:47,639 I know if they want to kill me, they'll get me regardless, 724 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:53,079 and that's anybody for that matter. So you know you're the one to help 725 01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,840 me out. Really point that out. Months ago, when I listened to 726 01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,599 one of your shows, you sat there and said, no do man wanted 727 01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:02,199 to get you, get you? And I was like, you know, 728 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,159 as simple as that is, it's so true. Is there nothing you can 729 01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:10,920 do to stop that thing? That's right, It's good you understand that. 730 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,599 I had a conversation with a guest named Frank. I forgot his last name, 731 01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:20,679 but I think he was on episode three point thirty two. He's a 732 01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:23,599 really nice guy who really knows a lot about the woods, and he told 733 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:28,199 me that he initially had plans on heading out and trying to bag a dog 734 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,039 man, and he walked me through all these steps that he had carefully planned 735 01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:37,760 out and thought out to see that through, and then I brought it to 736 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,920 his attention. Okay, I can appreciate you wanting to do that for the 737 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,840 reasons you laid out for me, but understand those those things that you just 738 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,360 laid out for me, that is not going to be enough to protect you 739 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,760 from one of these guys ripping you apart. He didn't realize these guys climbed 740 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:59,559 trees, and that other abilities and other things that they do and do awfully 741 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:04,119 well that would make it really foolish to try to actually go out and hunt 742 01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:09,119 one to bag one. So after I laid all this information out for him, 743 01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:13,039 yeah, he didn't have any interest. At least he told me he 744 01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:17,360 didn't have any interest in trying to actually hunt one after that. So they're 745 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:23,440 an ambush predator, that's what they do. I mean, they have that 746 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:30,639 similarity to a wolf or a wolf pack, and it's mixed with human maybe 747 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,800 whatever, or it looks like a human. I mean, it's obviously bipedle 748 01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:41,039 and it has the arms of human being, a chest like one, and 749 01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:45,280 hands somewhere. You know, it's got a posable thumb. I'm assuming it 750 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,960 has some sort of humanity in it or you know, I know, it's 751 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,559 an animal, but mixed with that kind of stuff, it's going to be 752 01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:58,239 smarter than the average wolf. So that's something that you don't want to mess 753 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,440 with. And that guy would be in fatal error. I'm assuming if he 754 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:08,840 tried to do that. Oh, I'm sure he would. Yeah, there's 755 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,400 just no future in trying to hunt dogmen. There really isn't new. And 756 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,960 also something else to consider. Let's say you go out and you do shoot 757 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,360 at one, maybe you win one and you get away. What about the 758 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:26,079 next group of people or the next person that heads into that area and runs 759 01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:28,719 into that dog men, what's going to happen to that person? So, 760 01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:34,880 yeah, that's also something to consider. Yeah, that would not be good 761 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:41,559 for them people. No, wouldn't not at all. I've got a comment 762 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:47,039 from actually, you know what, I'm going to back up so I don't 763 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:57,280 skip this question from squatching Grandmama, and her question is how close to Youngstown, 764 01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:03,320 Ohio was Matt when he had his encounter? This one is. I 765 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:09,079 think Youngstown, Ohio is up north from me. I can't remember how far 766 01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:15,719 it is, but this one's in Dark County, Ohio, in southwest Ohio. 767 01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:24,400 It's about forty to forty five minutes from Dayton, Ohio. And I 768 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:32,800 know there was a lot of Germantown encounters that happened in Ohio from what I've 769 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,440 been told and seeing and did research on. And that was a little close 770 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:44,000 home to me because I'll have a lot of family in Germantown myself. Yeah, 771 01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:46,360 there are a lot of encounters that happened around there, in and around 772 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,320 Germantown. I've got a question or actually a comment from fiber Geek. He 773 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:57,039 says, you showing kindness and sharing your bologna probably saved you. And I 774 01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:01,599 can appreciate fiber geek fiber geek feeling that way, but I don't agree. 775 01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:06,239 I don't think that. I think if you wouldn't have thrown the bologna out, 776 01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:09,920 I don't think it really matters. You wouldn't have been harmed either way, 777 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,440 because if one of these guys wanted to harm you, then throwing a 778 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,400 slice or two or ten slices of bologna out there, that's not going to 779 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:26,599 stop them from taking you out. So I appreciate the idea that fiber put 780 01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:31,360 out there, but I definitely disagree with that. It could have been a 781 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:38,440 number of factors in all actuality. I mean, you know who you are, 782 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:45,920 spiritually, kindness, I mean it, Who knows what can really go 783 01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:53,719 on? Just with hundreds and thousands of captures and encounters and stuff. There's 784 01:07:53,719 --> 01:07:57,639 so many different people that have so many different things that are alike yet different, 785 01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:00,960 and they could be bored and I want to mess with you. They 786 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,760 could be a bad a dog man and just say, you know what, 787 01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,159 let's do this, Let's get them. All kinds of factors can work in 788 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,600 against you or or with you just depends really on the situation, scenario and 789 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:20,960 everything. I assume me I got the feel for I guess a good cop, 790 01:08:21,039 --> 01:08:26,520 bad cop, or maybe the parent protecting a child or what. I 791 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,479 don't know. I got the both sides of it. So I don't know 792 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,560 if that helped me out being better, because I can only imagine if it 793 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,000 was all bad, I don't think I could have came back from that. 794 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:47,439 You know, just seeing that eight and a half nine foot was just oh, 795 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:57,359 yeah, that'll yeah, we understand, we do understand. If you 796 01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:00,720 look at your living room ceiling, well, for most people that's eight feet, 797 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,680 so out to that, and then I'll kind of give you an idea 798 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,760 of what Matt's talking about when he says, a nine footer that's up there. 799 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,039 That's awfully tall. And if you find yourself face to face with something 800 01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:18,760 like this that looks like the worst monstrosity out of your worst nightmare, that's 801 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,199 that tall. Number one, it's so traumatic just to see something that looks 802 01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:28,039 that way. And then compounding the trauma is how big this guy was. 803 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,079 So yeah, that's just going to send you into overload. I don't care 804 01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:39,600 who you are, Yeah, it's I mean, the Bible even talks about 805 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:45,680 Neshelm and giants and stuff like that and how the following ones came down and 806 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:51,359 corrupted every creature. So I don't know, they very well could be an 807 01:09:51,520 --> 01:10:00,880 felon that very well could be a natural God made the creature, or I'm 808 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,439 assuming that's what it is. I mean, even Egypt had a Nubis, 809 01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:09,760 and Anubis look pretty close to some of these dog man encounters that I've heard 810 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:19,479 over the years. Anubis in almost every portrayal in hieroglyphs on pyramids or in 811 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:25,640 tombs, Anubis has hominid style legs, not digitigrade style legs. So I'm 812 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,239 not really sure what, if any correlation between dog men and a Nubis there 813 01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:35,960 might be, But that does kind of throw a monkey wrench into just being 814 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,760 able to point at Anubis and saying, okay, well, Anubis must have 815 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,720 been a dog man that people saw for that reason. Sheila Kelly made a 816 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,439 comment. She says, I'm in Vermont if anyone knows of any in Vermont. 817 01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:56,239 Great show. Thanks for joining, Shila, I appreciate it. And 818 01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:59,399 then blood Vipa has a comment. He says, Matt, many thanks for 819 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,920 sharing your experiences with us. And I agree, ain't no problem. It's 820 01:11:04,079 --> 01:11:10,479 kind of nice to get it out every twenty eight years of silence. It's 821 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,039 always a good thing to be able to get something like this out now. 822 01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:17,159 Not to be the dead horse, but like I told you before, if 823 01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:21,279 that black one wanted to harm you, it definitely would have. But I 824 01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:25,560 don't want someone to get it twisted in the thinking that I'm saying, like 825 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,880 I said before, that all dog men are safe to be around because the 826 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,359 black one didn't want to harm you, that no dog men in that situation 827 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,239 would. I'm not saying that because, yeah, I fully believe that there 828 01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:41,359 are dogmen out there that are dangerous to be around. I do believe there 829 01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:44,680 are dogmen out there that will kill you if they get a chance. But 830 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,479 that again goes back to the whole fact that there are devent examples of anything 831 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:54,039 that you might run into, so you really never know if the dog men 832 01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:59,800 you encounter is a dangerous one, is a belligerent one that is going to 833 01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:02,800 just rip you apart as soon as look at You're not so something to keep 834 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,279 it why I sure as hell didn't go near that window and it was looking 835 01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:12,159 it. Don't blame you if you could freaking reach through the window and get 836 01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:14,560 to me, which he probably very well could have. But I was, 837 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,520 I was against my wall and I was six feet away, So if you 838 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,439 had a six foot arms fan, then he could have snatched me up quick. 839 01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:27,399 I know that fair a fact. That holy crap. I sure thought 840 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,039 that if it wanted to get me, you can get me. It sure 841 01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:34,039 could have. Yeah, definitely. I've got another question for you from Stella 842 01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:39,640 Feral and Stella wants to know, Matt, did your dog act funny after 843 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:46,720 the encounter? Yeah, yeah, Crystal was. She didn't really leave my 844 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:56,399 side like Crystal was me and her man. She was she was like a 845 01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,439 sister or something. I don't know. She didn't leave my at all the 846 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,079 time, Like she would be by my door or end my bed, or 847 01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:11,199 right and the lane next to me underneath my bed. Yeah, she was 848 01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:17,520 real protective of me. Then there was a few times when we started going 849 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:23,000 back in the woods that she would be hesitant. And there was a time 850 01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:28,279 when we went back there, and it was right at the beginning she would 851 01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:33,640 start pulling my jeans to like pull me back out. And I will listen 852 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,680 to her every time, because you know, she's got the big beautiful wolf 853 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:44,279 heres and me, I'm just a dumb kid, and I'd walk back out 854 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,600 if she grabbed my jeans, and I wouldn't mess around. But yeah, 855 01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:58,119 she uh, she act to funny for a minute. It sure sounds to 856 01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:01,119 me like she was a real keeper. You were so fortunate to have her. 857 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,439 Yeah, she was the best dog that we had. And she was 858 01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,359 probably about one hundred and sixty pounds, that's how big she was, and 859 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,920 pure white, pure muscle, beautiful, just a beautiful Maine o her. 860 01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:26,319 And unfortunately when she had puppies, she became uncontrollably protective of them. Like 861 01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:29,319 my mom and dad couldn't get near the puppies. We couldn't get near the 862 01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:36,920 puppies. And she broke down our front screen door when it was summertime. 863 01:14:38,039 --> 01:14:45,039 She broke our front screen door down getting through to go after a girl who 864 01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:48,720 was I think she was sixteen or seventeen at the time. She was a 865 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:57,119 big junior type girls in high school. Her name was Adrian, and she 866 01:14:57,319 --> 01:15:00,840 used to throw sticks at my dog when she was ain't up in the back 867 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,319 and enjoined the son and stuff, and she got her revenge on her. 868 01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,439 She thought she was either protecting them or what. But she was just driving 869 01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,039 by a bike and she pulled her all the way off the bike by her 870 01:15:12,119 --> 01:15:15,760 leg, drew a massive amount of blood off of her. And yeah, 871 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,680 we had to get rid of Crystal unfortunately. But she went to a big, 872 01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:26,720 big, huge and nice farm where she could run around. Wow. 873 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,960 So hardy to hear that. Yeah she was. We had it for six 874 01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:35,319 years, I want to say six or seven something like that. So farmer 875 01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:39,960 ended up having her for three years I think, and then she passed. 876 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,960 Well, she we all balled like babies. She was a great dog. 877 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,680 Yeah, sounds like it unless you get on her bad side. Yah. 878 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:56,680 She had that wolf in her so she didn't play around when it comes to 879 01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,319 protection. And never seen her lose a dog fight. I know that she 880 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:06,960 was really awesome at it. She dragged deer from the woods to our back 881 01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:13,279 porch twice. I know. If that was like a gift or something, 882 01:16:13,359 --> 01:16:16,119 I don't have no clue, but that was pretty cool seeing to drag a 883 01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:21,000 whole freaking two hundred pound deer back. It definitely sounds like she was a 884 01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:28,079 real deal. Mm hmmm. Yeah, she definitely weird. She liked like 885 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:35,239 there was a movie that come out, Blood Moon or Bad Moon. I 886 01:16:35,319 --> 01:16:40,840 think it's called Bad Moon. Oh yeah. And that German Shepherd that was 887 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,800 in there. She was just like that German Shepherd, which used to make 888 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,880 me miss her a lot when I see that movie. That German Shepherd was 889 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,159 awesome in that movie, and she was just like just a little bit more 890 01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:59,439 rougher around the edges, so to speak. That movie came out, all 891 01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:01,600 let's see, now, when did it come out? I think in the 892 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,680 Yeah, I think the early nineties, so it didn't come out with late 893 01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:12,279 nineties. Was it the late nineties, Not sure? I think it was 894 01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:15,760 early nineties. It wasn't that long after he had that first encounter or the 895 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,119 group of encounters. Did you watch that right after it came out or is 896 01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:24,199 that something that you stumbled upon years after the fact. That was something we 897 01:17:24,279 --> 01:17:29,920 stumbled upon years after the facts. When I saw it, though, it 898 01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:35,880 it creeped me out. I know that when he changed himself up to that 899 01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:41,560 tree to try to stop him from eating his own sister, and then all 900 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,439 of a sudden you've seen the full of effect of it. It was almost 901 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:49,560 like a nasty little flashback. And that was one of the things that kind 902 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,600 of got in my brain like me, and I think could have done the 903 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:59,760 same thing to me, like it followed her home, like yeah, of 904 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,640 course, or he is trying not to think about that too much. Oh 905 01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,079 that was a kid then when I saw that kind of stuff, I'm totally 906 01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:11,319 at peace with what you know goes on or could go on. So that's 907 01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:15,600 good, that's really good. Well, it's about time for us to get 908 01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:16,720 out of here, map, But before we do, do you have any 909 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:27,239 clothes in comments you'd like to share. I wouldn't let it bother people that 910 01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:30,439 hasn't had the encounter, or even if you had the encounter, I wouldn't 911 01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,800 let it bother you too much, like just like Vick says, if it 912 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,399 wanted to get you, to get you, and you know, being in 913 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:42,560 the woods is something that all creatures on this earth should be able to enjoy. 914 01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:47,800 And I do enjoy going to the woods. Like I said, I'm 915 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:53,880 just I'm not on edge. I'm just making sure I know my surroundings when 916 01:18:53,920 --> 01:19:00,039 I'm in there, and the woods are for everybody and dog meen, I 917 01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:04,199 have to think know that too, or there'd be a lot more people being 918 01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:15,279 killed by them. And yeah, just I don't think they're If they were 919 01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:21,119 super malicious and super just dangerous, nobody could ever go in the woods. 920 01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:28,520 You wouldn't want to. Our population. Human population would be depleted highly. 921 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,920 That's right. Many there are. Yeah, if that was the case, 922 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:40,560 I wouldn't have spoken with thousands upon thousands of people who have had direct encounters 923 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:45,279 with these guys. So yeah, something to keep in mind. But Matt, 924 01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:49,239 I can't thank you enough for coming on and not only sharing the details 925 01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:54,560 of those experiences, but answering all these questions that the listeners had. I 926 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,359 really appreciate it. It's no big deal. Everybody needs to know about it. 927 01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,399 Yes, sister twenty eight years do say something? Well, better late 928 01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,640 than ever, So we're glad you. Oh I'm going to know about it 929 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:13,319 now. Well maybe that's a good thing. I just hope that she acts 930 01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:16,880 responsibly and doesn't try to rip you or or give you a hard time about 931 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:21,880 it a me too, It would be great. Yeah, I guess we'll 932 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:26,000 see. But please remember if you ever need help down the road, if 933 01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:31,119 you start to regress on your dealings with these experiences, just please send me 934 01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:34,680 a message let me know, and by all means I'll call you back and 935 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,399 I'll find out what's giving you trouble, so you're never going to be alone 936 01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:44,439 with this again. I surely appreciate it, Vick, and thank you for 937 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,479 your time, and thanks for listening and letting me get my story out there. 938 01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:51,399 Oh you're welcome, glad to do it. And for the listeners again, 939 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:56,039 thank you so much for listening to this show, for supporting the show. 940 01:20:57,279 --> 01:21:00,239 I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I really do, 941 01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:03,760 but thanks again so much for listening, and have a great night.