A weird thing happened in the backyard. Weird, weird. Wow, guys,
it's been a while we haven't recorded, and maybe like a month.
I would love to know how my boys are doing. How are you doing,
Ryan, I'm doing good. How the last few weeks been good?
Honestly? I mean just been doing you know, the book club for a
few weeks. Oh right, finally wrap that up so I'll talk about it.
I wasn't able to make it to any of them. You guys did
three in a row, right, every Thursday, three weeks in a row.
It was actually really cool. It was um I did not expect this,
but it was like as far as like the live Patreon events that we
do, it was our biggest turnout. Yeah, it was like fifty Yeah,
we had forty eight people too. I think the first one or the
second one we had like forty five, and then the last one we did
was like thirty seven, which you know that doesn't sound like a lot,
you know, yeah, yeah, but I mean for a book club.
Yeah, like you know, in the chat room we're all talking, you
know, real people. Just it was fun, man, it was a
lot of fun. It was really cool. I love that I looked in
a couple of times because like, you know, either I was out of
town or what I was doing something, but I would I would like check
in whenever I could, and like bro y'all were on there for like seven
hours sometimes some nights till three am, the other the other night until the
second two nights was till midnight, and then the first one was till like
three thirty in the morning. Finally my wife was like, come on,
dude, go to bed. I worked the next day, but yeah,
I was awesome. I imagine that y'all. Probably there's no way you talked
about the book the entire time. No, it didn't the first the first
night. So for those who don't know, we you know, we did
this book club thing for three weeks in a row. Obviously, my dad
published a book. If you guys, yep, if you're not like super
into social media, maybe you're like just you know, hopping in on this
episode and it's been a while. Dad just published a book, and um,
I thought it'd be cool to like have a three week event where we
discussed like nine to ten chapters at a time, because you know, there's
twenty nine chapters. So some weeks or nine some weeks or ten, and
um, it was awesome, dude. It's like, you know, imagine,
imagine, you know, your life story being published in a book,
and then you hop in there and you talk to basically fifty people and they're
just like pouring out their heart about how much they love the book. Like
it's it's a unique experience. It was really like kind of mind bending for
me. And um, it was fun, man. And it was like
it was honestly like I could have I could have done them for twenty four
hours. Yeah, if it wasn't like, Okay, I gotta go to
bed at some point, you know. So, I mean, I imagine
it's got to feel so like cathartic. It's got to feel so good,
just I was saying. The first week we did the first ten chapters,
and then the second week, my sister, who was in you know most
nights, shout out Amy, shout out Emmy. My sister hops in.
She thought it'd be funny because my sister lives next door to my mom and
dad. She thought it'd be funny to pop that on there and say hello
real quick. And then he realizes what's going on. He takes her phone
and stays on till midnight. Oh so, like fifty people were just like
chilling and talking with my mom and my dad and it was it was super
awesome. I mean, you know, there was some a lot of laughs,
crying, you know, like dad having emotional moments with people sharing their
stories. And then the third week was awesome because Chris Junior stayed the whole
time. Oh so like they you know, Jeremy was busy, he didn't
make it, but you know, they basically got to hang out with the
entire family. That's so cool. So it was really fun. I love
that. Man. What about you, Alex, what have you been up
to? What about me? Yeah? What about you? I've been I've
been Mia man. Yeah, I've been out. I've been in Texas.
I've been trying to relax. What were you doing in Texas? I was
on vacation. So been together nine years with Olivia and that was our first
vacation we've ever taken with just us too. Was awesome. Yeah, it
was awesome. What you guys do. So a lot of people don't know,
but the the Hills of Texas is like major wine country. Oh yeah,
so about one hundred vineyards in this little town where Yeah. Yeah,
so the story is, um, the first non native people. I've told
both of you guys this, so I'm just like talking. Yeah. Now,
so the first non native people to like explore Texas where the I was
told were the Catholic missionaries. And the Catholic missionaries would bring vines with them
because wine is so important to the Catholics. And when they showed up in
this hill country of Texas, they found grapes growing naturally, so they didn't
have to use their vine. They just started making wine out of the grapes
that were there. And it that was the like the origination of wine in
the United States. First ever wine came out of it. That's cool.
I don't think you told me that. I don't remember. I've told it
like like everybody because I'm like, oh, yeah, we went to Texas
and they're like where and I'm like Fredericksburg and they're like, well, where's
that? What is there? I'm like wine. They're like really, so,
y'all, y'all tasted a bunch of wine too much? Yeah? Yeah,
they did in a really cool spot, had a m It was like
an airbnb. It was like a year almost. I've stayed in an airbnb
year. Yeah it was cool. Yeah, and uh there was deep We
saw deer every day, Like they would call right up to the to the
um the deck and like, I mean we saw at least ten every day.
Wow. Cool. I mean they're they're around here. It's just like,
you know, you don't see him in the city because they're hunted so
much around here. Yeah, there's so much city. And yeah, we
went to we went to Asheville and saw everywhere they were completely like everywhere,
I mean in the backyard, we would I love the mountains. Manhill is
awesome. It truly is magical. It's it's like a magical place. It's
it's incredible. All right, let's let's get into the I'm glad you've you've
had a good time since the last time. I feel like it's been so
long. I'm actually mega pumped to be in here and do some episodes.
I'm trying to remember what all these buttons do. I'm particularly pumped for this
one, y'all. We are talking about Uh God, I feel like I
say this ad nauseum, but like, this movie's for sure in my top
five ever, like top five. I put this on par with the best
of the best like this. This in my mind, this movie stands apart
from most other movies. We're talking about Robert Egger's The Lighthouse. You love
this movie too, Yeah, I've seen it once. Admittedly I did not
watch it for this episode. I'm glad you didn't. But exactly I did
it for a reason. Yeah, because I knew you were going so deep
into it, and I was doing all my studying for another episode. So
so there's this way. And obviously Alex hasn't seen it, right, right,
Okay, I just want to make sure and so okay. This happens
sometimes when we will get an idea to do an episode for the show because
it impacts us in a really big way and we notice the mystical themes.
But then when it comes time to break down the episode, sometimes it's like,
I don't know if we can make a whole episode out of this,
you know what I mean. Sometimes you get that feeling, well, I've
now seen this movie three times. No, this was the fourth time.
This was my fourth time watching it, and before I did this final watch,
I kind of had that thought, like, I know, there's a
lot of mystical themes in here. I just don't know that they really perfectly
match up in a cohesive way, at least enough so to talk about out
at at length on an episode. Um So, I kind of tried to
to use that to my advantage here. I said, all right, you
know what, I sat down with Raven shout out, Raven, love you.
He has it on blue ray. He brought it over. We watched
it because this is one of his favorite movie. Raven is a connoisseur for
like really good, obscure, bizarre movies, so honestly, he's just kind
of a connoisseur, Like yeah, he really just has great taste, I
mean, music, movies, every anime like bro, He's got great taste.
So he brings it over. We watch it, and I thought,
I'm gonna I'm gonna grab my notebook and I am literally going to jot down
just little bubble notes of everything that stands out to me. And by the
end of it, I was like, oh uh, I could fill ten
episodes with this with this movie. Um So, so here's the thing that
I want to preface this with. So we talk about movies like Wizard of
Oz, right or uh, Pinocchio exactly story but never ending story. Um,
what what's that one with Tom Hanks that was about like reincarnation like that?
We never actually did that, right, right, we'll do we'll do
episodes about movies and it's like, guys, this is the central theme of
the movie that like it's about reincarnation or it's about like your higher self or
you know whatever. Uh So with The Lighthouse, I was like, man,
there really is not one central theme. But as I started doing research,
it was made that way intentionally. So, uh, it's basically like
you know Wizard of Oz for instance, it's you know what it's about if
you if you dissect it, it's pretty clear you know what it's about.
With this movie, breaking it down, I found just in this one watch
through, I found multiple interpretations ways that you can interpret it, and then
corroborated it with actual interviews from the creators of the movie. And it is
actually like riddled with mysticism and esotericism, like every single shot of the movie.
And I think that shooting it in that vague kind of way where you're
not pulling from one specific thought pattern or one specific religion, one specific you
know, but just following your intuition and creating a piece of art, subtly
weaving in every inspiration of mysticism you get, and then figuring out what it
means at the end. I'm starting to think that might be the most powerful
way of doing things. So let's get into it. Let's break it down
a little bit. I'm so excited for this. So for those of you
who don't know anything about the movie, I'm gonna give a quick little summary
of the plot because that will make it a lot easier for you to understand
the mystical themes throughout it. So at its core. And by the way,
Alex, I feel like I say this all the time, but I
feel like you would love this movie. Like I know we say that about
every movie we talk about, but this is this is literally a story.
It takes place in like the late eighteen nineties, yeah, like early nineteen
hundreds, something like that, and it's just about these two guys who who
are working at a lighthouse together and you know, like if you think in
those times like that's a very dangerous job. You're completely isolated from society.
Telephones, I mean yeah really yeah no, yeah, they didn't have fallen,
they didn't have a pahone, they didn't have nothing. I mean,
you know, they were like stranded out there basically, and so it centers
around it's it's Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattison that play the two main characters.
And by the way, they're like the only people in the whole movie.
One of the things that makes it so good. Yeah, this movie is
like, yes, it's spare they are the only two people you see in
the whole movie. Well, I mean other than like some of might pass
by. No, not even that. There's like a couple flashback scenes where
you see like one or two other people. Yeah, that really conveys the
loneliness. Oh, yes, that's that's the biggest I think, like like
visual theme of this movie is like claustrophobia, like isolation, you know,
uh, cabin fever, so kind of at the first watch through, that's
kind of that's the thing that stands out the most about the movie. It's
like the psychological thriller about like cabin fever kind of like the shining, like
like that's that's what the core like kind of the surface level rather not the
core, but the surface level. Thing about the Shining is that, I
mean, bro, that is that's gotta be maybe the best horror movie ever
made. It's it's so so, so so good. We'll talk later.
No, no, no, come on, tell me, tell me.
I want to hear that's horror movie ever made. Yes, in my opinion,
yes, I know what you're gonna say. It's hard to say definitively.
Yeah, I know hereditaries on that list, right, definitely on that
one. You think it's the best maybe, I think in modern times.
Yes, about Jaws, bro he isn't so overrated a little bit, but
it's iconic, it's so anyway. Anyway, basically, what this is what
happens in the movie in a nutshell, Robert Pattinson's character he was a logger.
He worked in the woods, he cut down trees and all that stuff.
And there was this incident where this guy that he was working with,
one of his co workers, died and Robert Pattinson's character, who just will
call him, I free him because that's his name, m or you know
his fake name. He gives a fake name. Efre him is his name,
and and ifre him, like could have saved him but didn't. It's
not really made super clear if he intentionally killed him or just let him die
or whatever. But it kind of like him with grief. And also he
was like running from the law, so he left. He got this job
out on this lighthouse, and at the surface level, it's it's like weird
stuff starts happening. Uh, efrem starts getting these crazy visions of like sirens
in the water. Yeah, and he doesn't know if they're dreaming. Oh,
and it happens like early in the movie too, because one of the
first things that you see in the film is efre him gets to the lighthouse.
He meets Thomas Wake who is William Dafoe's character, who is like an
old sailor guy you have for all you know, he's been here his entire
life. You have no idea. He's like this weird, like kind of
half crazy. Yeah, definitely like mythical crazy character. One of the first
things you see is um Efreim lays down in his bed and there's a hole
in his bed and he like reaches down in it and he pulls out an
effigy like a little statue of a mermaid and he's like looking at it,
like what, but he doesn't think much of it, puts it down,
and then like that night he has an insane vision that he's like being called
by a siren into the water, and he's like walking into the water against
his will and he just wakes up. You don't know if it was real
or a dream or whatever. There's other things where like, uh, like
the stories that Thomas Wake is telling him are like starting to not make sense
or some of the details are starting to change. He feels like he's going
crazy. There's times where he'll like see a boat on the horizon and then
it'll disappear. There's all sorts of weird stuff happening, and then kind of
this cool turning point of the film is all this cabin fevershit is really getting
to Ephraim and he I love this quote. Somebody one of my friends told
me this quote. He turns a seagull into a rag. He turns the
a seagull into a bloody rag. He takes out all his frustration on this
seagull because you will those characters like it's basically very poor superstition to harm a
seagulls. He says, he this guy talks in like old sailor talk.
Yeah, bad luck to kill a seabird. He says that like multiple times
and he says it and character, Yeah, he fram's characters kind of like
whatever, you fucking crazy old man, Like shut up, you know they're
they're very at odds. Uh. So he gets pissed and it almost feels
like spitefully against you forgot to mention why, because the old man is working
Robert Pattinson's character like to the bone. It's like, yeah, he's like
he can't do anything. He'll he'll swab the whole entire thing. He'll do
every one of his jobs and it's never good enough, which there's a mystical
reason behind that, but everything in this film anyway. So yeah, he
gets super frustrated with u Wake's character and he's like, oh, don't kill
a seabird, huh, And he grabs it by the neck and slam.
It is a visceral scene. Yeah, slams it like a ton of By
the way, not super relevant to this part, but the movie is black
white, Yeah, completely black and white. It's in four by three aspect
ratio. It's like, looks like a classic film. It just came out
in twenty eighteen or nineteen or something. By the way. After he kills
the seabird, he looks into the water and there's spirals like oil is making
like spirals in the water. Oh I don't remember that part. Yeah,
very important. Two things. It foreshadows the storm that's coming, and it
also is like the spiral of consciousness, which there are so many spiral shots
in this movie. So let's wrap it up with the basic description. Basically,
like we said, this massive storm comes. They were supposed to get
out and go home and their job was going to be done. They ended
up getting stranded there for they don't even know how much longer because of this
awful storm. So if they weren't already going crazy, that completely snapped them
and they dive deep into insanity, like you really see them in the film,
fully lose sanity right well, and it's it's illustrated in a way that
like the events in the film stopped making sense, you know what I mean,
Like even from the viewers perspective, it's no longer sane. Yeah,
it's cool, no, absolutely, Like like it shows that they're going to
be stuck there longer. It shows them go to bed and then the next
day, Thomas Wake's character is talking to Eph him and he's like, you
don't even know how long it's been. We've been here a month and he's
like, stop, you're lying. You're lying, and he's like, you
have no idea how long we've been here. It starts getting extremely disorienting because
you're like, you truly don't know what's happening. It almost makes the viewer
feel insane. And it definitely does not spoon feed it to you. Oh
no, Guaranteed. The first watch of this movie, going into a blind
you're like, what am I watching? What? Literally? What watching?
What did I just watch? The thing that's so captivating about it is the
performances of these two guys. I mean, come all and dude, Willem
Dafoe in this movie. I'm sure you're going to cover this because it's a
mystical. It's incredible. It's it's one of the very best monologues I've ever
heard him. I think it Mark, Yeah, I think it might be
my favorite monologue in a movie ever. You notice, too, if you
go back and watch it, he doesn't blink a single time. My job
was on the floor the first time I try, I didn't know it was
gonna be all mystical. I mean this way before we were doing the podcast
way before all of this, so so then to wrap it up, they
continue to go crazy until they eventually Efreim completely snaps and kills Thomas Wake after
you know, being like like gas lit by him, and like Thomas Wake
is obviously trying to make Efrem's mentally torturing he is, he's mentally torturing him.
He ends up chasing Ifrem with an axe. Ifreim gets the axe from
him and chops his head in half. And then the whole movie, Thomas
Wake's character doesn't let Efreim go anywhere near the light at the top of the
lighthouse. He's like, no, the light's mine. He says, I
tend the light. The light's mind. He even at one point says he's
married to the light. Yeah. All efre Him ever does is like shovel
call, like clean the floors and like all the little like bitch labor.
Yeah yeah, and he get curious about the lighthouse, you know, but
the central theme stay away. If he even if Efreim even mentions seeing the
light, Thomas Wake loses it. He loses it. He's like, no,
that's mine. You don't go near it. He's like absolutely no.
And then when you see Wake in the light looking at it, He's like
intoxicated. He like goes up there naked dude, and some pretty gross stuff.
But anyway, at the end of the movie, Ifreim kills him,
goes up, sees the light, cackles like a complete maniac, falls down
the spiral staircase, and then the last shot you see is him getting eaten
alive by seagulls. So insane. You know, seagulls are federally protected.
They are. Yeah, I had to look that up. Yeah. Well,
the reason you didn't have to, don't say you had to. Nobody
forced you to do that. We're making me mad man. Well, in
the movie, it's really cool because Wake's character says it's bad luck to kill
making me really want to rewatch this all. Come on, we hadn't even
got to the goods time, I know. Oh no, we purposefully has
left out all of the really good stuff. So it's about to get weird,
very weird. Yeah. Um, but just to finish that up,
yeah, Wake says bad luck to kill a seabird, and he says that
the souls of dead sailors are in seagulls, and that's why it's bad luck.
To kill them because you're killing a sailor, you know, it's like
sailors that got lost on the open sea or whatever. Fun little fact.
I'm not really going to go into it, but this was based on a
true story. Really. It was in the early eighteen hundreds in the on
the Welsh Pembrokeshire coast in eighteen oh one. Yeah, it was two guys
out on the lighthouse working together. One of them ended up mysteriously dying and
the other one he wrote a full account of what happened. He said that
he put a guy in a coffin. The body broke out of the coffin
and was rapping on the window. Oh my god, trying to get him
to come out. They probably just what he's saying, that's what. Yeah,
probably, but but it was so compelling that these guys were like,
we have to turn this into something. Okay. So that wraps up the
basic, super basic little description. So one of the first places that people's
mind jumped to when they see this movie. It was probably the first place
that you jumped to. Lovecraft. Oh the end, when when when when
the Patson character like goes into the light, right, But I mean there
are even things before then that are very very verymaid basically like kind of like
sex scene. Yeah, it's not it's not graphic, like he's not like
necessarily having sex with the mermaid. No, but he's fantasizing, yes,
And it's and it's depicting that fantasy in a very bizarre, disgusting foul way.
Yeah, there are some foul shots in this movie. There are visceral
but I mean the whole point of the movie is to show people in their
most carnal form, So it's like, you know that that's to be expected.
I suspect there may be a deeper meaning that we'll talk about later.
I have asked the one thing that I prepared to talk about. I can't
wait. Please and by the way, the two of you please jump in
as much as you want. I am so excited to discuss this stuff.
But um, yeah, So, I mean commonly in Lovecraft they're sirens.
There's like squid tires from the scene, creatures from the sea, effigies and
effigy worship and then obviously like being driven to madness insanity, and that's in
almost every Lovecraft story, is like almost every single one. Yeah, because
it's like I mean, that's like, that's what these the lovecrafty and beings
due to mortal they drive them insane um. And so one of the biggest
parallels into this that a lot of people picked up on upon first watching The
Lighthouse was Dagon. Okay, yeah, yeah, So Dagon is one of
the more famous short stories by HP Lovecraft, and it's literally about a sailor's
It takes place in like the early nineteen hundreds and he's escaping from German sea
raiders. He gets lost at sea, he like is starting to lose his
sanity, and then he wakes up surrounded by complete and total blackness and he
sees an effigy, a massive white effigy of this strange creature unlike anything he's
ever seen. But he describes it as like a sea like creature, like
something from the sea. Which I recently read Dagon. Oh it's good,
it's good, it is, it's good, and the movie is excellent,
is it really? Yes, it's it's it's different from the story, the
short story, but it's excellent. Dude, I need to watch it.
It's good. It's made like two thousand and one. Honestly, they just
need to be more Lovecraft movies like um Color Out of Space was good.
Yes, it was really good. Every Lovecraft movie I've ever seen has been
really good. And that we were talking about the thing earlier, and that's
one that's on my list. I just From Beyond. That's another one.
It's a Lovecraft movie. It is super good. Is it based on a
specific Lovecraft story or Beyond? Oh I'm pretty sure it's called from Beyond?
Oh shit. Okay, yeah, but I'm I'm all in on give me
all the Lovecraft stuff. I had so much hope for that Lovecraft country show,
Like the first episode was in the second episode, it was like,
I'm out. It became pure cheese in a single episode. Yeah, so
disappointing. Yeah, but anyway, So one of the biggest parallels is is
Dagon, where this is basically just a guy on the sea who goes insane,
sees this big statue, goes even more insane, ends up worshiping the
effigy, and then he gets rescued and doesn't know if any of that was
real or fake or whatever. That was kind of the thing. So let's
get out of the box a little bit here. Okay, if there was
a lovecrafty and deity in the lighthouse. What would it be? What do
you think it would be? Probably like the Colorado Space how so because it's
in the light. Okay, that's a that's a yeah. So what if
the lighthouse itself was an Eldridge entity that was concealing forbidden knowledge from its subjects.
It has subjects who loyally clean it, worship it like main maintain it.
I mean at one point wake literally like references worship like our work is
worshiped, Like they're worshiping this thing. Wow. You know what else is
weird? It bellows like a beast. The horn, the fog horn.
They make it a point in the movie to make it piercingly loud, like
when the when the fog horn is blown, you can't hear anything else that
is plunging. That's one of the main things that is driving them insane.
Okay, that honestly went way over my head, Like, like to be
honest, like, I watched this movie. So when did you say this
came out? Like twenty eighteen, So my one time watching this movie was
not this again, this is years before we were doing the podcast. It
was like a it was like a special theatrical release because it was like kind
of a more underground movie and then a few months later it was like DVD
only or something like that for a while. So like the day that it
came out to DVD, I watched it just to watch it, yeah,
not to study it. I just want to see it. And like,
there's some things you're going to talk about that we're self evident, and I'm
like, yo, this is mystical shit. Yeah, but like that,
this is what I'm saying way over. This is what I'm saying, is
like it took me like four times watching this movie, right, And it's
because the creators intentionally they were like, we're not gonna pull from one specific
thing. They are into a cult shit. Yeah, and I'm gonna go
into that a little more later how into it they are. But they made
it very clear from jump like we're not pulling from one story or two story.
We're pulling from everything, and it's going to make sense without spoiling it.
The things that I obviously really picked up on it because it's mentioned as
like the Greek myth stuff. Yeah, we're going super cool. We're going
super cool, and what you just said makes sense with that, it done.
It drives with that because that's part of the Greek myth that sent it.
And that was one of the most beautiful revelations in doing this research is
these aren't just like separate interpretations. They mesh together, right, Okay,
that's that's honestly, mind blow, that's a mastercraft. Yeah. So so
I don't want to spoil it, so okay, yeah, we'll go um
but but I mean, okay, so think about their upkeep of the Lighthouse
being like worship right or service or service. Wouldn't that explain why Wake is
so obsessed with Ephre him doing everything perfectly. He's like, you can't,
you can't. You have to give one hundred and ten percent because it's worship.
He's working him from like dawn until like bedtime basically like oh yeah,
like like you know, like slave labor literally, like he's breaking him and
that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, And and there's tons of that there
are. There are some very blatant Lovecraft references within the movie. Like Robert
Eggers said, he was like, I didn't want it. He's like,
if I wanted to make this movie a lovecrafty in film, then at then
at the point where Ephrium takes Thomas Wake's diary and is reading it. I
would have put a bunch of stuff about Dagon in there, and then it
would have been a lovecrafty in movie. But he was like, that would
have been to Pigeonhole. Yeah, it would have been too on the note,
it wouldn't have been original. It wouldn't It would be like, oh,
Okay, it's a lovecraft movie. That's cool. That's cool. What
they actually did is so much cooler. But I mean there are like there's
a point in the movie where Ephrium is completely hallucinating. He's in like a
murderous rage. They're trying to kill each other, and he sees Wake as
like a sea god with tentacles and the tentacles are wrapping around his throat,
and like that's extremely lovecrafty. That was in the trailer too, So that's
that's why I was like, oh, dude, this movie crazy, Like
it's a lovecrafty and type movie. They put a lot of emphasis on you
know, like there's a lot of emphasis on water in Lovecraft's works. Obviously
there's a lot of that here. The moon, a lot of emphasis on
the moon. It's like little subtle easter eggs kind of of that lovecrafty and
stuff. But then finally, one of the coolest and most blatant things if
if we're following that thread, that like, what if the lighthouse is an
eldritch god or like an elder god, and you remember like the elder gods
from you know what? You know, that would mean that Wake truly who
knows how long he's been there worshiping this thing and whatever. And when Ephraim
gets to the point where he's openly defying Wake and he's like, I'm gonna
go see what's in the light, Remember what happens? Wake chases him in
the rain and then he shoots that beam of light from his eyes into Fream's
eyes. Right, that's based off of a painting from the early nineteen hundreds
when Lovecraft was popular, right, called hypnosis, bro He hypnotized him.
You know what else is crazy about that? I just had this thought,
like on the fly, you know, from like learning this new information or
whatever. That implies that Wake is an initiate into this order. He's concealing
the mystery from the profane, the younger you know, the younger character.
But get this again, I'm haven't even spoiled all the Greek stuff yet that
you're gonna I know you're gonna talk about it. Oh yeah, if you
understand like the ending of what happens to Robert Pattinson's character. He is rebellious
like the figure referenced in the myth, and he has the same fate.
It's it's dude, it's like mind blowing, like he is the figure from
the myth rebelling against the oppressive. Like you you don't get the knowledge.
You see what I'm saying exactly I mean is it's playing out in multiple level
and that is like I feel like that's so rare to see in films because
like usually you have this interpretation or that interpretation or whatever, but in this
one, they all tie together, like from everything that we're going to talk
about, it all ties together. Yeah. So let's go into the Greek
stuff because that was another thing that the Eggers were very open about. They
say it in the movie. Yeah, I mean, it's in the dialogue.
Yeah. I want to preface it with a quote from Heracleitus the Philosopher.
This is a quote about lighthouses. Interestingly, this plays into the Lovecraft
stuff we were just talking about. This is a quote that which was always
sorry that which was and always is and will be everlasting. Fire the same
for all the cosmos, made neither by God nor Man, replenishes in measure
as it burns away. It's as if it's as if this lighthouse was always
there, always burning infinitely, and it is just somehow ever present, ever
existent. It's like a you know, like one of the seven wonders of
the world is the Pharaos lighthouse, which is the first ever. It's in
Alexandria. That's cool. It's the first ever lighthouse. Oh, I'm going
to rip your mind apart with that one in just a minute. Pharaohs was
the name. It was the first ever one, and um who I think
Ptolemy may have built it. Oh, that would make sense. And they
wrote about it in either the Iliot or the Odyssey. It was I know
Homer wrote it, but yeah, I have it right here. Lighthouses were
invented in ancient Greece, most likely by Ptolemy when he created Pharaohs, and
they were often considered sacred. Wow, so it's like, yeah, yeah,
it's super deep. Pharaohs is It's one of the wonders of the world,
partially because of its size, but also because it was an engineering marvel
from the ancient world that that so so when you really think about it,
like the light is symbolic of the wisdom of the mystery schools one hundred percent.
One hundred percent, I feel like that's the allegory. Yeah, you
know, they erected this giant monolith phallus right right, this giant monolith with
this this like all seeing eye at the top that spins shines lights everything.
It's it's omnipotent, lights the darkness into the sea and lights the shines light
into the abyss server and guides people. Yeah. Like but when you see
into the light, you you're like insane with knowledge overwhelming power. Yeah,
there's a shot in the new Hell Razor about that. By the way,
there's a new Hell Razor. Yeah that sucks, dude, But but but
but the point being, it's it's the same concept. That's cool. It
came out this past year twenty two. I never saw the original one.
The original one is actually one of the best horror films ever. Really,
yes, yes, it's it's phenomenal. But to get back to the lighthouse
thing and the most recent Hell Razor that just came out spoiler. The character
at the end, he's like, if you don't know about hell Razor,
it's these like they're called Seno Bites. They're these like kind of like eldritch
demons from another realm that like they blur the lines of like pleasure and pain
and like they torture you, but like from their perspective, it's like that's
pleasure, you know what I mean. It's just a way out their concept
kind of crafty end it kind of is, yeah, and it was written
in the eighties by Clive Barker. Amazing movie the original but anyway, so
um, the main the character at the end, he's like taken to the
realm of the Seno Bites and he's like it's it's really graphic and gruesome.
But his his like skin is being peeled off. But but because that's what
they do, that it looks and they like told but like the crazy freaky
characters, there's some of them who are like that's like they're they're they're seeking
this, you know what I mean, They're crazy. Yeah, And he's
like got this face of like pure like kind of like bliss and he's revealed
this huge shining white light. It's like it's it's weird. It's like,
you know, the truth is like on outside of our border of understanding between
pain and pleasure basically that is, it's a similar concept. Yeah, it's
shown different. Well, no, this isn't a new one. Oh oh
so that shot wasn't in there? No, no, no, it's only
in the new one. That was like the only cool thing. Does the
new one have like the same plot as the original or completely different? Completely
different? But it wasn't as good nowhere near. Okay, I want to
watch the original. You should watch the og I like older horror movies,
like like I mean, Halloween, especially like the seventies and eighties Shining Halloween.
Yes, come on now, Nightmare on Elm Street. Yes, yeah,
come on now we're talking bangers. Yes, okay, So back to
the Greek stuff. This, this the Lighthouse is rife with Greek references,
like the driving premise. Yeah, it really is. You don't know that
getting into the movie. That's a secret. But if you if you go
into the movie with the lens of Greek myth, you'll see it everywhere exactly.
But but that wasn't advertised, No, not at all. I love
that because it's esoteric, right, right, they they hid it, you
know. So the main we're going to talk about a few gods, a
few parallels. There's a lot of Greek parallels here, but uh, confirmed
by the writer and director of the film. The two main characters Thomas Wake
who is Williem Dafoe, and Robert Pattinson's character Efrem Winslow, who you find
out his actual name is Thomas Howard. They're both named Thomas, which,
by the way, the true story this is based on, they were both
named Thomas. Cool. Yeah, cool. Um. You find out that
their characters, uh, Efrem who is Robert Pattinson is Prometheus from Greek myth.
Thomas Wake who's Willem Dafoe, is Proteus, which is you know that
those two characters never really like cross paths in Greek myth, right, right.
But the really awesome thing about that is in subsequent mythological writings, like
like from Homer or other philosophers, they would do that. They would take
they would cross these figures exactly. They would take figures that didn't cross paths
and they would write stories about them cross So that's a mind blowing revelation.
I had a few minutes ago when I was like, oh, my god,
because knowing that Robert Pattinson is the Prometheus figure, what happens in the
Greek myth? Wait, wait, I'm gonna say it. Let's let's say
it. So in according to Greek myth, Prometheus is the Titan god of
fire. He is best known for defying the will of the gods, stealing
fire from them and giving it to humanity. And according to the myth,
Prometheus also discovers this is wild. Prometheus is also the one who is credited
with discovering and establishing the use of animal sacrifice. Oh shit, he kills
a seagull in the movie he literally sat by, which causes a massive catastrophic
storm. So it's like, you know, and we talked about recently how
sacrifice is in history has been used to catalyze like rituals and stuff like that.
The Aztecs would literally daily, the Aztecs back in the like you know,
the Aztecs and the Mayans and the peak of their society. Dude,
they were sacrificing like sometimes ten thousand people a day. A day, we're
just ripping their hearts off. Next kind them open and rip their heart out
literally literally this is real history. This isn't the Valentine's Day episode brouh.
And lastly about Prometheus. He is also known as the representation of human striving
and the risk of overreaching, which is like clear in the movie. So
then what's his fate when the gods find out? So he so he steals
the fire from the gods and he gives it to humanity, and as punishment
Zeus, obviously the king of the gods, he curses him. He ties
to a tree, and he curses him to be eternally eaten by birds.
I think in the myth it was an eagle, because the eagle represents Zus.
It's like an eagle or a haw buzzard or something. Ye. Yeah,
it's a bird and basic Raven maybe he that bird. He ties Prometheus
to a tree, and that bird eats his liver every single day for eternity.
It heals, it'll heal up to meet him again. And what did
we say earlier? The final shot of the movie is Robert Pattinson getting eaten
alive by seagulls. Ye it is. It is a blake. But also
that's that was the mind blowing revelation. Was he rebelled against a foe like
Prometheus in the myth, to try to like get his hands on that that
fire exactly, or light or whatever. The fire. It's not literal,
it's no, it's it's it's the Greek's packaged version of esoterically, you know,
if you want to go way out of the box and related to the
Mystery schools us, way in pre Atlantean times, when we were perfect spiritual
beings, we had this knowledge and then you know we fell and were trapped
in material reality because of our you know, power is getting out of control
or whatever. We're talking about that in Theoso allegory, right, you know,
it's not like literally fire, but like there's truth to it. Yeah.
I mean it's like he stole knowledge right from the guys and he gave
it's the Greek's version of that story. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um,
so let's talk about Proteus. Who is William Dafoe's this movie. He
taught me about Proteus. I've never heard of Proteus. He's the son of
Poseidon. He's a son of Poseidon. You know, Triton is his brother.
In some myths. Triton is older in others, Proteus is older.
Most like people who study myth believe that Proteus would be the older one.
Wasn't he like the god of like foresight and prophecy? Yep? And he
was usually kind of like a siren like depicted like out in the ocean,
right, and he would like give prophecies to sailors. Oh yeah, he
is. His nickname in mythology is the old Man of the sea, right,
I mean, come on that, which I believed the movie was also
a play on that, maybe absolutely old Man in the Sea dude. In
the film, there are two times where William Dafoe's character openly well, I
wouldn't say he kind of hides it a little, but he basically admits that
he is literally pro Proteus. I mean, at one point he says the
word proteus, he says protean, okays, but still he says something like,
oh, protean dread something something, And in the same sentence he uses
the name Prometheus, Promethean something. You know. He talks in like limeerate,
he talks in like poetry, like and what's cool about that? Remembering
that monologue, when he says, well, I'm about to say it,
you have the monologue. Well, I have the first line, which is
the most important part to the Proteus stuff. So anyway, in uh,
yeah, in Greek mythology, Proteus was a prophetic sea god. He was
called the Old Man of the Sea. He was also a shape shifter.
We see William Dafoe take a few worms in this movie. Yes, get
this. Often in paintings, Proteus as is depicted with a don't say tentacles,
tentacles, a naked upper half with a cockle crown, just like in
that one shot in the movie, and tentacles legs. If you look up
the most famous painting of Proteus, it's it's that it's him with tentacles on
the bottom. And yeah, bro, come on, now, come on
bro, it's blatant. He's got the tentacles below. Yeah, this movie
is a tent up. Hold up, Remember I told you earlier the first
ever lighthouse was Pharaohs. You know where Proteus lived, Pharaohs. It's like
it's like they nailed it, dude. Yeah, like it really is.
It's almost as if you could so if if from the lovecrafty perspective, you
could see this as like an eldritch entity or an elder god. In the
Greek interpretation, you can see this lighthouse as pharaohs. Right, this is
the original lighthouse, which would mean that that light is the original light,
right, the original row knowledge of initiation or whatever do When you really think
about it from this lens, it's like it's it's he's initiated and he's keeping
the secret from the young guy who's like he's at that point in Atlantean,
you know, relating it to the mystery traditions. He's at that point where
he's trying to rebel so that he can get his hands on that light.
Like it's mind blowing. You don't know any of this going into the movie,
not at all, none of this, which is so it's like this
movie itself is protean and shape shifting. Yeah, because you could watch it
from multiple lenses and you will enjoy it every time, and you'll see it
in a completely different way. Saying earlier, when the characters begin to like
descend into madness from the viewer's perspective, that's visually demonstrated it really it's it's
like it's like the movie starts hallucinating and think and they and one second,
they're normal sailors, like shoveling coal in a furnace. The next second,
Willem Dafoe is this like godlike being mechanical, shining light out of his eyes
and he's like standing naked outside in the woods. It does cover his run
or whatever. The movie hallucinating it does it like makes you feel like you're
hallucinating exactly exactly. And I'm gonna go into some of the physical shots too,
But this is, this is the monologue we keep talking about. It
is so incredible and it's done in the most like shocking way. One second,
it's these two guys. They're drunk out of their minds. They got
nothing else to do. They're drunk, like most of the movie, they're
wasted. They get night when they're done laboring. Yeah, they just get
and dog or rum or whatever. So they get into a little spat because
they're button heads. Most of the movie they're button heads, and uh Robert
Pattinson's character, uh, he basically makes this comment that William Dafoe's cooking is
terrible. Oh yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, if I have
to eat your slop one more time, whatever, and he gets so offended
he's like, you like my cooking. You're lying. Yeah, He's like,
you're lying. I mean, he gets made. And then he's like,
you're fond of me, lobster. I've seen it, you're fond of
me. I mean he's mad. He's like really mad, and he's he
basically tells him, I hate your lobster. That's what he says. And
then it's like the gates of hell open and William Dafoe is charged with godlike
power. He stands and throws his chair back and delivers easily the most captivating
monologue in film history. The first thing that he does when he stands up
is scream, hark hark. And when he does it, lightning strikes and
thunder, and it's like, I mean, it shows Robert Patson. He
is in utter fear. He's like, like in pure shocked because one second
he's like, I hate your lobster. I mean, it's like he explodes
in fury. So he says, hark, Triton, Hark, Remember Triton.
What's the next sentence? He says, he's thinking about Neptune. No,
no, no, he says, bellow, bid our father, our
father, Poseidon, Bellow bid our father the sea king Poseidon rise from the
depths, full foul in his fury. He literally is calling out to Triton,
his brother, and he's basically telling him, Uh, bring the full
fury of our father. Is this before the storm and curse? No?
No, no, this is like this is like right after they found out.
This is the night that they found out they're gonna be stuck there because
of the storm. I think I'm pretty because that would be crazy if that
was, like, you know, esoterically, would like caused the storm.
But I don't know, I've seen, well, it seems like what truly
actually we know what truly caused the storm was he killed the seagull, because
literally it does this shot where after he kills it, it pans to the
top of the lighthouse and the winds change and the north wind blows in.
And he even says in that speech, by the way, in that monologue
he says something about like the north wind. Well, I wrote it down.
He says something about, like the north wind blows from Uh was it
David's horn? Where here it is north wind started blowing, Oh, like
Gabriel's horn. He says that in the movie, like Gabriel's horn, the
north wind blows like Gabriel's horn, and so he knew he knew, he
knew during that monologue that caused it. But then he's like, you don't
like my lobster, I'm gonna curse you for all eternity. He basically ends
like a minute and a half straight without blinking, screaming at Robert Betts's character,
cursing him in the most foul way you could possibly imagine. I mean,
he's like talking about him getting ripped apart eternally by sirens and all this
wild stuff. But he's literally beckoning out to Triton and beside it. He's
like, he claims, he says it in the movie he is Proteus.
He says it. It's incredible. Those those two figures are the most prominent
representation of Greek myth in the movie. I got a couple more, uh,
just minor ones. Uh. Do you remember when Robert Pattinson's character was
lugging the oil keg up the up the stairs and Sysiphus, it's Sysiphus with
the stone pushing the stone because the oil keg after he gets to the top.
Uh. William Dafoe's like, take it back down right punishment. It's
literally sysiphus is eternally pushing that rock up the hill. Yeah. So another
like the last thing that really stood out to me about in terms of Greek
myth um. So when they're going insane, the storm hits, they're trapped
for longer, they go out and they pull out the reserve alcohol so that
they got plenty to drink. They go crazy. They're drinking. It's insane.
They drink, they go through all of it and they have nothing left
to drink and they're starting to like go even more insane because of alcohol withdrawls.
So what do they do. They start pouring the kerosene into cups,
and what they mix with it, I don't remember. Honey, the nectar
of the Gods. They mix it with honey, yes, and they start
drinking it. And after they drink the kerosene, that's when that really iconic
scene of them like dancing around and singing. They become like godlike beings.
Bro, they become like Dionysian almost. They had drunk from the nectar.
Yeah, they start like dancing with each other and like they're like screaming these
these like shanties they're they're having like a uh is it a Dionysian ritual?
After drinking the Nectar of the gods? Right, and then again like we
said, um, you see the shot when they're fighting each other. You
literally see a shot of William Dafoe in a cockle crown, like a shelled
crown with tentacles for legs. He's he's become he becomes Proteus. That it's
for a very brief little shot, just one little shot, and then and
then Robert Pattinson he becomes up, he becomes Prometheus. The prophecy is fulfilled,
and he's eaten, but he's literally moving while he's being eaten too,
you can see, so who knows, Maybe he's stuck there forever. Maybe
the curse really worked and he's gonna be there forever. It's just because he
doesn't like die. No, it's like that's how the movie is. He's
fall alive, but he's being eaten by the seagulls. Yeah, it shows
that incredible shot of him killing. William Dafoe finally making it into the tower,
opening the thing and and seeing the pure, unadulterated power of the light,
and he is like screaming and cackling in madness, completely driven mad and
they like super distort his voice too, so it is just like really visceral
and yeah, falls down the spiral staircase, eating alive by seagulls. So
incredible. This is the last interpretation, and it's a real quick one.
I went into this movie thinking I'm gonna get like the lovecrafty and angle and
I'm gonna get the Greek angle and I'm gonna get those really down so that
we can talk about him on the episode. But a third one, A
third one the entire time was just like in my face and it was kind
of a New Age interpretation. There was a lot of really really mystical New
Age stuff that at first I was like, maybe this is just kind of
coincidence, Maybe it's not like Blaze, you know, maybe it's not intentional
whatever. As the movie went on, there was so much of it that
I ended up being like, there's no way it wasn't intentional. Um.
And I also found out that the brothers who made the movie are super into
the occult. They're super into Carl Young um and stuff like that, so
I found that out afterwards. But one of the things that jumped out to
me early in the film, and then probably fifteen times throughout the film,
they make a blatant point in the cinematography to highlight a couple of very important
symbols, which are this and this, Like are they like triangles? No,
No, that's that's the incredible like chevrons without a yes connection yes,
which is like you know, think about like the Da Vinci code like that,
that's how and like the most ancient masculine and the feminine masculine feminine Yeah
and um. They were even quoted as saying that this movie and The Witch
are are depictions of the divine masculine and the divine feminine, that they are
depictions of it. So I start noticing this shape a lot, and it's
not just like, oh, it's the roof is like that. It's like
no, no, no, I wrote down all the things. They have
chains on their shirts that do that. There were multiple buildings where it looked
like the set designers intentionally took out the bottom part of a triangle to highlight
that specific shape. There's a there's a scene where he's repelling on a rope,
very very blatant. There's a part where it shows a book it's sitting
there like this, it's like countless and then the other one it shows there's
like rock Oh, there's this one. There's this one scene where he's like
Robert Pattinson's walking between these two like rock ranges, and the way that they
keyed the shot was like a perfect feminine symbol, like perfect like that there
was a knife. There was this part where there was a knife and a
shadow of the knife position perfectly in the center of the shot on the wall
to make that shape. And when I saw that one, I was like,
that seems so intentional, right, But what I was going to say,
like that I got that notion also from the scene with like his fantasy
of the mermaid, like you know, looking it up afterwards, it's like
it's like, uh, depicting the creative forces of you know, nature,
like the masculine and feminine energies. Well, yeah, totally, And like
if you follow that thread, oddly, there's a lot of like sensual sexual
energy in the movie. I was waiting, you know what I'm saying.
I was gonna say, there's a whole element of this movie that you glossed
over that's in this final one, and it's because it's like about the New
Age stuff, because you know, that's highlighted a lot to create the archetypal
forces of creation masculine and feminine. So what were you going to say about
it? So this may come as a shock too many people who have yet
to watch the movie. This is probably the one live action film that has
more flatulence than anybody ever recorded, and it's intentional. And then there's even
a scene where he's like he's like, uh, I don't know, like
you know, taking out their their what do you call it? Where you
like, yeah, a bead pan. He's like taking it outside to dump
in the ocean, and like it gets all over him. Yeah, And
like there's there's a lot of parts in this movie that highlight just these two
guys in a room together just constantly just unleashing bodily functions. And it's not
like the whole movie, it's just it's just a few scenes highlights. It's
a few scenes that it's highlighted. And in my research it was speculated that
it is Agger's attempt at showing like he's showing this why because it's disgusting.
Nobody everybody can agree that's disgusting, of course, And it's like it's a
way too highlight, a complete breakdown and overwhelming of the physical senses. You
see what I'm saying. Yeah, some people speculate that maybe it's a play
at like some sort of crallyan yeah thing. Yeah, I mean kind into
really like weird, you know, very weird shit. Um. But yeah,
I mean there's there's that element to the movie too, which is like,
it's weird, but no, it is. I mean it goes That's
what I'm saying. Like, they made this movie with an open mind,
and they pulled from basically every mystical thing that they knew of, um,
which is like and they all go hand in hand, which is why this
is so incredible to me. Um. But to wrap up the masculine and
fineminin thing, bro. I mean, the whole time, I'm like,
maybe I'm just looking into this too much. Maybe I'm just like, wait,
dude. Towards the end of the movie, there's a shot and they
center the shot on this image kind of look like a Viking room. Yeah,
but it's it's like a it might be the like boat doc or something
that they use, but it is so intentionally perfectly centered and it has the
masculine and feminine symbols like crossing each other. It's like a perfect harmony of
masculine and feminine. And then just following this thread of the masculine and feminine
thing, you could almost look at it as if the Light is pure feminine
energy at the top. That's why like they get intoxic. Like when you
know Thomas Wake is up there, he's like sexual, He's like very sexually
charged. He even says he's married to the light. That's his wife.
He calls the Light his wife. It's not like in the movie Day like
have some sort of sexual act. It's just implied, Well, there is
a sexual act. Do you not remember the dream with the Mermaid? Right?
No, I don't remember. Oh yeah, I mean he like he
like gets himself off one time. Yeah, but I mean yeah, that's
the extent of it, right, yea, yeah, but it's it's implied.
Yeah, all that stuff is implied for them exactly. But but it's
like if you think about it from that lens, it's like raw feminine energy
at the top. And and like you said, Wake is an initiate and
he knows that Ephraim's not ready for it, and all this stuff. Ephraim
defies him and goes to it anyway, and it's too much for him to
handle. Like it's the raw power of feminine energy. It's just like another
mystical lens to look through, another crazy thing. I think. I think
they made they highlighted as above, so below so much in this movie.
There are probably three or four shots of that spiral staircase, and they intentionally
do shots going up it and shots going down it. That is literally the
spiral of consciousness going up and down. And even at one point Thomas Wake
says to Ephraim, he says, you're so mad, you know, not
up from down. You're so mad, you know, not up from down,
which is that's funny, like you're so mad, think about it out
of the box, you know, mad could be if we're thinking from the
love crafty angle, the people who are witnessing these cosmic you know, truths,
so to speak. Yeah, esoterically speaking, you're so mad, you
know, not up from down. So that's that's kind of like literally as
above so below exactly up in the down or connected the realms exactly. Yeah,
that's that's deep. It is. And after seeing all of the those
symbols and the spiral shots that were so intentionally put in there, going up
and down multiple times, and then he said that I was like, come
on, man, um, all right, I'm wrapping up because I'm sure
we're almost we're out of time. Probably the last thing that one of the
last things I wanted to talk about was Carl Young. Carl Young famously claims
um that Proteus is a depiction of the human unconscious and there's a white out
in the water exactly, yes, yeah, and the conscious is like the
water. And also uh Egger says in interviews he is like he is super
well versed in Young, like in Carl Young. He's like, it's cool,
read all his books. He's super into it. Whatever. M a
ton of theories of people from who have seen the movie theorize that Thomas Wake
isn't even real, He's not even there. He's the unconscious of of Epreum.
Well, I mean, that would make sense if he was Proteus.
And that's another way it. This theme ties in with the Greek theme.
Now there's an element that we haven't mentioned. What you know, you know,
there's so many different cultures who have their take at esoteric myths, and
you know, the whole sin syncretistic perspective, where you know, you're a
comparative mythological perspective, where you take these different myths and you compare them and
how they overlap. Do you realize the most popular igrigor or most popular version
of how people depict Prometheus, Right, hell, Lucifer, Oh, and
he was like an angel of light? Exactly what happened to him? He
rebelled against the force that said, and we're going to talk about this on
the Theosophy episode. And he rebelled against the force that said, you guys
don't get the knowledge. So what happens. He's punished, He's sent down,
as the Bible says or whatever, sent down into chains of darkness for
a thousand years. Well, you know, esoterically, it's us. You're
ready for this. It's us. We in the very ancient past, in
Atlantean times, were perfect spiritual beings. We became over time, existing in
this condition. We became, so to speak, not literally but like drunk
with the power of being perfectly spiritual incarnate beings. We fucked that up and
we fell or you know, you could say de evolved or whatever, into
material reality. Wow, dude, we are Prometheus. You see what I'm
saying. It's it's a metaphor, it's not literal. These are these are
not actual existent of course us man. Remember we all come from the one
true God, consciousness though the source whatever. But how did we get here?
We fell? Damn wait till the Theosophy episode. Yeah, I'm pumped
on that. This is This is what I'm talking about though, When when
creators approach from not like I'm gonna tell this specific esoteric, you know,
story or whatever, when they're just like, it's open. Yeah, I'm
yeah, I'm gonna let my intuition guide me and pull from Look how powerful
it is. I'm so excited to look for other examples like this because this
this is one of the most mind blowing bits of research that I've done for
this show because it just revealing things to me. It was just coming to
me. It was like I didn't even have to try all these different angles,
and it went from me thinking maybe we can't make an episode to this
too. I could fill ten episodes because there are probably so many more interpretations
that one. The Lucifer thing. I didn't even think about that, and
like, we didn't even talk about parallels to Christianity, which there are many
of the story of Jesus and many the whole New Testament is basically written in
Greek. There's so much. The Book of John was written by neo Platonic
Greek philosophers, you know, neo Platonic meaning like like people who believed in
Plato's years after he was dead. But the spoiler for people, because I
don't want people to hear, oh Lucifer, Oh shit, that's that's not
it's not what you think. The answer to that, the redemption from that
or or the salvation from that is we are also basically Christ. Yeah,
that's the way back, right, you know if we fell many many,
many eons ago, and it's like, man, how do we get here?
Okay, next question, how do we get out? How do we
get back? Yeah? Christ consciousness. Yeah, I'm coming to completely and
totally rely on that as like the complete truth. That's that's That's the basic
epitome of what Theosophe's all about. I can't wait. I want to do
that episode. Yeah, we're gonna do it. Are we are? We
all good? All right? We love you. I totally highly recommend you
all watched. Well, I don't know that this is a movie you could
recommend to everybody. It's it's honestly pretty ard horror fans will love it.
It's not scary, but it's just like super creepy vibes, fun movie.
Yeah, it's experimental, very house type. We need a rating out of
ten. Oh, this is a ten. It's definitely a ten. This,
this is for sure. It's the first of its kind. Dude,
there's two people in the movie like, it does that and it's excellent and
like I've been more safeguarding my tens in life lately. That gets it.
That gets it. No questions asked. Yeah, every time I watched the
movie, I learned something new about it. Definitely. No, it's it's
like the performances are, it's impeccable. It's it's so just absurdly you could
say visionary, experimental, abstract, one of a kind. It's one of
a kind. Yeah, there's no there's no film like it. It's right
up there with with two thousand and one, everything everywhere, all at once.
It's right up there in that category. So it might not be your
flavor of movie, yeah, but may not be your cup of tea.
But if you like stuff like that this is a masterpiece. We love the
Oomies, we love y'all. Be all right, we're gonna do it.
Ready, Yeah, back, guys, guys. Weird things to happen in
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