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A weird thing happened in the backyard. Weird, weird. Wow, guys,

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it's been a while we haven't recorded, and maybe like a month.

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I would love to know how my
boys are doing. How are you doing,

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Ryan, I'm doing good. How
the last few weeks been good?

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Honestly? I mean just been doing
you know, the book club for a

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few weeks. Oh right, finally
wrap that up so I'll talk about it.

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I wasn't able to make it to
any of them. You guys did

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three in a row, right,
every Thursday, three weeks in a row.

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It was actually really cool. It
was um I did not expect this,

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but it was like as far as
like the live Patreon events that we

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do, it was our biggest turnout. Yeah, it was like fifty Yeah,

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we had forty eight people too.
I think the first one or the

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second one we had like forty five, and then the last one we did

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was like thirty seven, which you
know that doesn't sound like a lot,

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you know, yeah, yeah,
but I mean for a book club.

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Yeah, like you know, in
the chat room we're all talking, you

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know, real people. Just it
was fun, man, it was a

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lot of fun. It was really
cool. I love that I looked in

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a couple of times because like,
you know, either I was out of

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town or what I was doing something, but I would I would like check

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in whenever I could, and like
bro y'all were on there for like seven

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hours sometimes some nights till three am, the other the other night until the

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second two nights was till midnight,
and then the first one was till like

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three thirty in the morning. Finally
my wife was like, come on,

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dude, go to bed. I
worked the next day, but yeah,

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I was awesome. I imagine that
y'all. Probably there's no way you talked

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about the book the entire time.
No, it didn't the first the first

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night. So for those who don't
know, we you know, we did

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this book club thing for three weeks
in a row. Obviously, my dad

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published a book. If you guys, yep, if you're not like super

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into social media, maybe you're like
just you know, hopping in on this

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episode and it's been a while.
Dad just published a book, and um,

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I thought it'd be cool to like
have a three week event where we

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discussed like nine to ten chapters at
a time, because you know, there's

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twenty nine chapters. So some weeks
or nine some weeks or ten, and

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um, it was awesome, dude. It's like, you know, imagine,

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imagine, you know, your life
story being published in a book,

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and then you hop in there and
you talk to basically fifty people and they're

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just like pouring out their heart about
how much they love the book. Like

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it's it's a unique experience. It
was really like kind of mind bending for

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me. And um, it was
fun, man. And it was like

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it was honestly like I could have
I could have done them for twenty four

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hours. Yeah, if it wasn't
like, Okay, I gotta go to

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bed at some point, you know. So, I mean, I imagine

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it's got to feel so like cathartic. It's got to feel so good,

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just I was saying. The first
week we did the first ten chapters,

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and then the second week, my
sister, who was in you know most

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nights, shout out Amy, shout
out Emmy. My sister hops in.

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She thought it'd be funny because my
sister lives next door to my mom and

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dad. She thought it'd be funny
to pop that on there and say hello

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real quick. And then he realizes
what's going on. He takes her phone

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and stays on till midnight. Oh
so, like fifty people were just like

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chilling and talking with my mom and
my dad and it was it was super

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awesome. I mean, you know, there was some a lot of laughs,

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crying, you know, like dad
having emotional moments with people sharing their

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stories. And then the third week
was awesome because Chris Junior stayed the whole

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time. Oh so like they you
know, Jeremy was busy, he didn't

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make it, but you know,
they basically got to hang out with the

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entire family. That's so cool.
So it was really fun. I love

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that. Man. What about you, Alex, what have you been up

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to? What about me? Yeah? What about you? I've been I've

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been Mia man. Yeah, I've
been out. I've been in Texas.

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I've been trying to relax. What
were you doing in Texas? I was

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on vacation. So been together nine
years with Olivia and that was our first

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vacation we've ever taken with just us
too. Was awesome. Yeah, it

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was awesome. What you guys do. So a lot of people don't know,

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but the the Hills of Texas is
like major wine country. Oh yeah,

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so about one hundred vineyards in this
little town where Yeah. Yeah,

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so the story is, um,
the first non native people. I've told

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both of you guys this, so
I'm just like talking. Yeah. Now,

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so the first non native people to
like explore Texas where the I was

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told were the Catholic missionaries. And
the Catholic missionaries would bring vines with them

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because wine is so important to the
Catholics. And when they showed up in

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this hill country of Texas, they
found grapes growing naturally, so they didn't

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have to use their vine. They
just started making wine out of the grapes

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that were there. And it that
was the like the origination of wine in

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the United States. First ever wine
came out of it. That's cool.

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I don't think you told me that. I don't remember. I've told it

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like like everybody because I'm like,
oh, yeah, we went to Texas

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and they're like where and I'm like
Fredericksburg and they're like, well, where's

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that? What is there? I'm
like wine. They're like really, so,

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y'all, y'all tasted a bunch of
wine too much? Yeah? Yeah,

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they did in a really cool spot, had a m It was like

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an airbnb. It was like a
year almost. I've stayed in an airbnb

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year. Yeah it was cool.
Yeah, and uh there was deep We

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saw deer every day, Like they
would call right up to the to the

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um the deck and like, I
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Wow. Cool. I mean they're
they're around here. It's just like,

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you know, you don't see him
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much around here. Yeah, there's
so much city. And yeah, we

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went to we went to Asheville and
saw everywhere they were completely like everywhere,

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I mean in the backyard, we
would I love the mountains. Manhill is

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awesome. It truly is magical.
It's it's like a magical place. It's

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it's incredible. All right, let's
let's get into the I'm glad you've you've

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had a good time since the last
time. I feel like it's been so

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long. I'm actually mega pumped to
be in here and do some episodes.

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I'm trying to remember what all these
buttons do. I'm particularly pumped for this

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one, y'all. We are talking
about Uh God, I feel like I

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say this ad nauseum, but like, this movie's for sure in my top

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five ever, like top five.
I put this on par with the best

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of the best like this. This
in my mind, this movie stands apart

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from most other movies. We're talking
about Robert Egger's The Lighthouse. You love

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this movie too, Yeah, I've
seen it once. Admittedly I did not

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watch it for this episode. I'm
glad you didn't. But exactly I did

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it for a reason. Yeah,
because I knew you were going so deep

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into it, and I was doing
all my studying for another episode. So

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so there's this way. And obviously
Alex hasn't seen it, right, right,

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Okay, I just want to make
sure and so okay. This happens

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sometimes when we will get an idea
to do an episode for the show because

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it impacts us in a really big
way and we notice the mystical themes.

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But then when it comes time to
break down the episode, sometimes it's like,

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I don't know if we can make
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you know what I mean. Sometimes
you get that feeling, well, I've

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now seen this movie three times.
No, this was the fourth time.

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This was my fourth time watching it, and before I did this final watch,

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I kind of had that thought,
like, I know, there's a

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lot of mystical themes in here.
I just don't know that they really perfectly

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match up in a cohesive way,
at least enough so to talk about out

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at at length on an episode.
Um So, I kind of tried to

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to use that to my advantage here. I said, all right, you

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know what, I sat down with
Raven shout out, Raven, love you.

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He has it on blue ray.
He brought it over. We watched

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it because this is one of his
favorite movie. Raven is a connoisseur for

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like really good, obscure, bizarre
movies, so honestly, he's just kind

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of a connoisseur, Like yeah,
he really just has great taste, I

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mean, music, movies, every
anime like bro, He's got great taste.

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So he brings it over. We
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I'm gonna I'm gonna grab my notebook
and I am literally going to jot down

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just little bubble notes of everything that
stands out to me. And by the

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end of it, I was like, oh uh, I could fill ten

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episodes with this with this movie.
Um So, so here's the thing that

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I want to preface this with.
So we talk about movies like Wizard of

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Oz, right or uh, Pinocchio
exactly story but never ending story. Um,

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what what's that one with Tom Hanks
that was about like reincarnation like that?

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We never actually did that, right, right, we'll do we'll do

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episodes about movies and it's like,
guys, this is the central theme of

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the movie that like it's about reincarnation
or it's about like your higher self or

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you know whatever. Uh So with
The Lighthouse, I was like, man,

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there really is not one central theme. But as I started doing research,

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it was made that way intentionally.
So, uh, it's basically like

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you know Wizard of Oz for instance, it's you know what it's about if

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you if you dissect it, it's
pretty clear you know what it's about.

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With this movie, breaking it down, I found just in this one watch

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through, I found multiple interpretations ways
that you can interpret it, and then

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corroborated it with actual interviews from the
creators of the movie. And it is

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actually like riddled with mysticism and esotericism, like every single shot of the movie.

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And I think that shooting it in
that vague kind of way where you're

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not pulling from one specific thought pattern
or one specific religion, one specific you

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know, but just following your intuition
and creating a piece of art, subtly

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weaving in every inspiration of mysticism you
get, and then figuring out what it

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means at the end. I'm starting
to think that might be the most powerful

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way of doing things. So let's
get into it. Let's break it down

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a little bit. I'm so excited
for this. So for those of you

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who don't know anything about the movie, I'm gonna give a quick little summary

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of the plot because that will make
it a lot easier for you to understand

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the mystical themes throughout it. So
at its core. And by the way,

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Alex, I feel like I say
this all the time, but I

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feel like you would love this movie. Like I know we say that about

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every movie we talk about, but
this is this is literally a story.

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It takes place in like the late
eighteen nineties, yeah, like early nineteen

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hundreds, something like that, and
it's just about these two guys who who

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are working at a lighthouse together and
you know, like if you think in

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those times like that's a very dangerous
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Telephones, I mean yeah really yeah
no, yeah, they didn't have fallen,

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they didn't have a pahone, they
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you know, they were like stranded
out there basically, and so it centers

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around it's it's Willem Dafoe and Robert
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And by the way, they're like
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One of the things that makes it
so good. Yeah, this movie is

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like, yes, it's spare they
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the whole movie. Well, I
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by. No, not even that. There's like a couple flashback scenes where

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you see like one or two other
people. Yeah, that really conveys the

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loneliness. Oh, yes, that's
that's the biggest I think, like like

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visual theme of this movie is like
claustrophobia, like isolation, you know,

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uh, cabin fever, so kind
of at the first watch through, that's

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kind of that's the thing that stands
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like the psychological thriller about like cabin
fever kind of like the shining, like

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like that's that's what the core like
kind of the surface level rather not the

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core, but the surface level.
Thing about the Shining is that, I

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mean, bro, that is that's
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made. It's it's so so,
so so good. We'll talk later.

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No, no, no, come
on, tell me, tell me.

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I want to hear that's horror movie
ever made. Yes, in my opinion,

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yes, I know what you're gonna
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Yeah, I know hereditaries on that
list, right, definitely on that

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one. You think it's the best
maybe, I think in modern times.

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Yes, about Jaws, bro he
isn't so overrated a little bit, but

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it's iconic, it's so anyway.
Anyway, basically, what this is what

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happens in the movie in a nutshell, Robert Pattinson's character he was a logger.

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He worked in the woods, he
cut down trees and all that stuff.

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And there was this incident where this
guy that he was working with,

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one of his co workers, died
and Robert Pattinson's character, who just will

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call him, I free him because
that's his name, m or you know

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his fake name. He gives a
fake name. Efre him is his name,

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and and ifre him, like could
have saved him but didn't. It's

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not really made super clear if he
intentionally killed him or just let him die

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or whatever. But it kind of
like him with grief. And also he

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was like running from the law,
so he left. He got this job

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out on this lighthouse, and at
the surface level, it's it's like weird

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stuff starts happening. Uh, efrem
starts getting these crazy visions of like sirens

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in the water. Yeah, and
he doesn't know if they're dreaming. Oh,

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and it happens like early in the
movie too, because one of the

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first things that you see in the
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He meets Thomas Wake who is William
Dafoe's character, who is like an

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old sailor guy you have for all
you know, he's been here his entire

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life. You have no idea.
He's like this weird, like kind of

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half crazy. Yeah, definitely like
mythical crazy character. One of the first

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things you see is um Efreim lays
down in his bed and there's a hole

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in his bed and he like reaches
down in it and he pulls out an

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effigy like a little statue of a
mermaid and he's like looking at it,

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like what, but he doesn't think
much of it, puts it down,

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and then like that night he has
an insane vision that he's like being called

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by a siren into the water,
and he's like walking into the water against

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his will and he just wakes up. You don't know if it was real

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or a dream or whatever. There's
other things where like, uh, like

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the stories that Thomas Wake is telling
him are like starting to not make sense

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or some of the details are starting
to change. He feels like he's going

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crazy. There's times where he'll like
see a boat on the horizon and then

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it'll disappear. There's all sorts of
weird stuff happening, and then kind of

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this cool turning point of the film
is all this cabin fevershit is really getting

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to Ephraim and he I love this
quote. Somebody one of my friends told

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me this quote. He turns a
seagull into a rag. He turns the

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a seagull into a bloody rag.
He takes out all his frustration on this

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seagull because you will those characters like
it's basically very poor superstition to harm a

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seagulls. He says, he this
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Yeah, bad luck to kill a
seabird. He says that like multiple times

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and he says it and character,
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whatever, you fucking crazy old man, Like shut up, you know they're

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they're very at odds. Uh.
So he gets pissed and it almost feels

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like spitefully against you forgot to mention
why, because the old man is working

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Robert Pattinson's character like to the bone. It's like, yeah, he's like

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he can't do anything. He'll he'll
swab the whole entire thing. He'll do

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every one of his jobs and it's
never good enough, which there's a mystical

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reason behind that, but everything in
this film anyway. So yeah, he

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gets super frustrated with u Wake's character
and he's like, oh, don't kill

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a seabird, huh, And he
grabs it by the neck and slam.

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It is a visceral scene. Yeah, slams it like a ton of By

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the way, not super relevant to
this part, but the movie is black

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white, Yeah, completely black and
white. It's in four by three aspect

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ratio. It's like, looks like
a classic film. It just came out

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in twenty eighteen or nineteen or something. By the way. After he kills

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the seabird, he looks into the
water and there's spirals like oil is making

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like spirals in the water. Oh
I don't remember that part. Yeah,

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very important. Two things. It
foreshadows the storm that's coming, and it

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also is like the spiral of consciousness, which there are so many spiral shots

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in this movie. So let's wrap
it up with the basic description. Basically,

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like we said, this massive storm
comes. They were supposed to get

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out and go home and their job
was going to be done. They ended

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up getting stranded there for they don't
even know how much longer because of this

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awful storm. So if they weren't
already going crazy, that completely snapped them

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and they dive deep into insanity,
like you really see them in the film,

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fully lose sanity right well, and
it's it's illustrated in a way that

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like the events in the film stopped
making sense, you know what I mean,

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Like even from the viewers perspective,
it's no longer sane. Yeah,

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it's cool, no, absolutely,
Like like it shows that they're going to

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be stuck there longer. It shows
them go to bed and then the next

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day, Thomas Wake's character is talking
to Eph him and he's like, you

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don't even know how long it's been. We've been here a month and he's

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like, stop, you're lying.
You're lying, and he's like, you

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have no idea how long we've been
here. It starts getting extremely disorienting because

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you're like, you truly don't know
what's happening. It almost makes the viewer

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feel insane. And it definitely does
not spoon feed it to you. Oh

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no, Guaranteed. The first watch
of this movie, going into a blind

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you're like, what am I watching? What? Literally? What watching?

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What did I just watch? The
thing that's so captivating about it is the

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performances of these two guys. I
mean, come all and dude, Willem

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Dafoe in this movie. I'm sure
you're going to cover this because it's a

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mystical. It's incredible. It's it's
one of the very best monologues I've ever

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heard him. I think it Mark, Yeah, I think it might be

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my favorite monologue in a movie ever. You notice, too, if you

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go back and watch it, he
doesn't blink a single time. My job

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was on the floor the first time
I try, I didn't know it was

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gonna be all mystical. I mean
this way before we were doing the podcast

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way before all of this, so
so then to wrap it up, they

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continue to go crazy until they eventually
Efreim completely snaps and kills Thomas Wake after

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you know, being like like gas
lit by him, and like Thomas Wake

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is obviously trying to make Efrem's mentally
torturing he is, he's mentally torturing him.

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He ends up chasing Ifrem with an
axe. Ifreim gets the axe from

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him and chops his head in half. And then the whole movie, Thomas

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Wake's character doesn't let Efreim go anywhere
near the light at the top of the

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lighthouse. He's like, no,
the light's mine. He says, I

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tend the light. The light's mind. He even at one point says he's

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married to the light. Yeah.
All efre Him ever does is like shovel

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call, like clean the floors and
like all the little like bitch labor.

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Yeah yeah, and he get curious
about the lighthouse, you know, but

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the central theme stay away. If
he even if Efreim even mentions seeing the

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light, Thomas Wake loses it.
He loses it. He's like, no,

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that's mine. You don't go near
it. He's like absolutely no.

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And then when you see Wake in
the light looking at it, He's like

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intoxicated. He like goes up there
naked dude, and some pretty gross stuff.

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But anyway, at the end of
the movie, Ifreim kills him,

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goes up, sees the light,
cackles like a complete maniac, falls down

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the spiral staircase, and then the
last shot you see is him getting eaten

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alive by seagulls. So insane.
You know, seagulls are federally protected.

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They are. Yeah, I had
to look that up. Yeah. Well,

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the reason you didn't have to,
don't say you had to. Nobody

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forced you to do that. We're
making me mad man. Well, in

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the movie, it's really cool because
Wake's character says it's bad luck to kill

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making me really want to rewatch this
all. Come on, we hadn't even

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got to the goods time, I
know. Oh no, we purposefully has

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left out all of the really good
stuff. So it's about to get weird,

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very weird. Yeah. Um,
but just to finish that up,

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yeah, Wake says bad luck to
kill a seabird, and he says that

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the souls of dead sailors are in
seagulls, and that's why it's bad luck.

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To kill them because you're killing a
sailor, you know, it's like

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sailors that got lost on the open
sea or whatever. Fun little fact.

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I'm not really going to go into
it, but this was based on a

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true story. Really. It was
in the early eighteen hundreds in the on

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the Welsh Pembrokeshire coast in eighteen oh
one. Yeah, it was two guys

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out on the lighthouse working together.
One of them ended up mysteriously dying and

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the other one he wrote a full
account of what happened. He said that

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he put a guy in a coffin. The body broke out of the coffin

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and was rapping on the window.
Oh my god, trying to get him

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to come out. They probably just
what he's saying, that's what. Yeah,

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probably, but but it was so
compelling that these guys were like,

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we have to turn this into something. Okay. So that wraps up the

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basic, super basic little description.
So one of the first places that people's

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mind jumped to when they see this
movie. It was probably the first place

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that you jumped to. Lovecraft.
Oh the end, when when when when

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the Patson character like goes into the
light, right, But I mean there

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are even things before then that are
very very verymaid basically like kind of like

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sex scene. Yeah, it's not
it's not graphic, like he's not like

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necessarily having sex with the mermaid.
No, but he's fantasizing, yes,

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And it's and it's depicting that fantasy
in a very bizarre, disgusting foul way.

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Yeah, there are some foul shots
in this movie. There are visceral

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but I mean the whole point of
the movie is to show people in their

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most carnal form, So it's like, you know that that's to be expected.

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I suspect there may be a deeper
meaning that we'll talk about later.

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I have asked the one thing that
I prepared to talk about. I can't

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wait. Please and by the way, the two of you please jump in

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as much as you want. I
am so excited to discuss this stuff.

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But um, yeah, So,
I mean commonly in Lovecraft they're sirens.

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There's like squid tires from the scene, creatures from the sea, effigies and

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effigy worship and then obviously like being
driven to madness insanity, and that's in

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almost every Lovecraft story, is like
almost every single one. Yeah, because

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it's like I mean, that's like, that's what these the lovecrafty and beings

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due to mortal they drive them insane
um. And so one of the biggest

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parallels into this that a lot of
people picked up on upon first watching The

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Lighthouse was Dagon. Okay, yeah, yeah, So Dagon is one of

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the more famous short stories by HP
Lovecraft, and it's literally about a sailor's

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It takes place in like the early
nineteen hundreds and he's escaping from German sea

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raiders. He gets lost at sea, he like is starting to lose his

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sanity, and then he wakes up
surrounded by complete and total blackness and he

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sees an effigy, a massive white
effigy of this strange creature unlike anything he's

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ever seen. But he describes it
as like a sea like creature, like

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something from the sea. Which I
recently read Dagon. Oh it's good,

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it's good, it is, it's
good, and the movie is excellent,

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is it really? Yes, it's
it's it's different from the story, the

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short story, but it's excellent.
Dude, I need to watch it.

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It's good. It's made like two
thousand and one. Honestly, they just

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need to be more Lovecraft movies like
um Color Out of Space was good.

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Yes, it was really good.
Every Lovecraft movie I've ever seen has been

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really good. And that we were
talking about the thing earlier, and that's

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one that's on my list. I
just From Beyond. That's another one.

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It's a Lovecraft movie. It is
super good. Is it based on a

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specific Lovecraft story or Beyond? Oh
I'm pretty sure it's called from Beyond?

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Oh shit. Okay, yeah,
but I'm I'm all in on give me

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all the Lovecraft stuff. I had
so much hope for that Lovecraft country show,

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Like the first episode was in the
second episode, it was like,

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I'm out. It became pure cheese
in a single episode. Yeah, so

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disappointing. Yeah, but anyway,
So one of the biggest parallels is is

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Dagon, where this is basically just
a guy on the sea who goes insane,

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sees this big statue, goes even
more insane, ends up worshiping the

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effigy, and then he gets rescued
and doesn't know if any of that was

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real or fake or whatever. That
was kind of the thing. So let's

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get out of the box a little
bit here. Okay, if there was

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a lovecrafty and deity in the lighthouse. What would it be? What do

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you think it would be? Probably
like the Colorado Space how so because it's

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in the light. Okay, that's
a that's a yeah. So what if

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the lighthouse itself was an Eldridge entity
that was concealing forbidden knowledge from its subjects.

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It has subjects who loyally clean it, worship it like main maintain it.

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I mean at one point wake literally
like references worship like our work is

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worshiped, Like they're worshiping this thing. Wow. You know what else is

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weird? It bellows like a beast. The horn, the fog horn.

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They make it a point in the
movie to make it piercingly loud, like

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when the when the fog horn is
blown, you can't hear anything else that

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is plunging. That's one of the
main things that is driving them insane.

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Okay, that honestly went way over
my head, Like, like to be

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honest, like, I watched this
movie. So when did you say this

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came out? Like twenty eighteen,
So my one time watching this movie was

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not this again, this is years
before we were doing the podcast. It

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was like a it was like a
special theatrical release because it was like kind

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of a more underground movie and then
a few months later it was like DVD

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only or something like that for a
while. So like the day that it

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came out to DVD, I watched
it just to watch it, yeah,

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not to study it. I just
want to see it. And like,

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there's some things you're going to talk
about that we're self evident, and I'm

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like, yo, this is mystical
shit. Yeah, but like that,

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this is what I'm saying way over. This is what I'm saying, is

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like it took me like four times
watching this movie, right, And it's

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because the creators intentionally they were like, we're not gonna pull from one specific

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thing. They are into a cult
shit. Yeah, and I'm gonna go

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into that a little more later how
into it they are. But they made

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it very clear from jump like we're
not pulling from one story or two story.

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We're pulling from everything, and it's
going to make sense without spoiling it.

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The things that I obviously really picked
up on it because it's mentioned as

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like the Greek myth stuff. Yeah, we're going super cool. We're going

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super cool, and what you just
said makes sense with that, it done.

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It drives with that because that's part
of the Greek myth that sent it.

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And that was one of the most
beautiful revelations in doing this research is

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these aren't just like separate interpretations.
They mesh together, right, Okay,

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that's that's honestly, mind blow,
that's a mastercraft. Yeah. So so

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I don't want to spoil it,
so okay, yeah, we'll go um

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but but I mean, okay,
so think about their upkeep of the Lighthouse

406
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:37.160
being like worship right or service or
service. Wouldn't that explain why Wake is

407
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:42.839
so obsessed with Ephre him doing everything
perfectly. He's like, you can't,

408
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:48.160
you can't. You have to give
one hundred and ten percent because it's worship.

409
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.720
He's working him from like dawn until
like bedtime basically like oh yeah,

410
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:57.039
like like you know, like slave
labor literally, like he's breaking him and

411
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:02.400
that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, And and there's tons of that there

412
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:07.960
are. There are some very blatant
Lovecraft references within the movie. Like Robert

413
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:08.880
Eggers said, he was like,
I didn't want it. He's like,

414
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.640
if I wanted to make this movie
a lovecrafty in film, then at then

415
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:18.119
at the point where Ephrium takes Thomas
Wake's diary and is reading it. I

416
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.640
would have put a bunch of stuff
about Dagon in there, and then it

417
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:25.039
would have been a lovecrafty in movie. But he was like, that would

418
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.680
have been to Pigeonhole. Yeah,
it would have been too on the note,

419
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.640
it wouldn't have been original. It
wouldn't It would be like, oh,

420
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.720
Okay, it's a lovecraft movie.
That's cool. That's cool. What

421
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.519
they actually did is so much cooler. But I mean there are like there's

422
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.920
a point in the movie where Ephrium
is completely hallucinating. He's in like a

423
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:48.039
murderous rage. They're trying to kill
each other, and he sees Wake as

424
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:53.000
like a sea god with tentacles and
the tentacles are wrapping around his throat,

425
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:57.200
and like that's extremely lovecrafty. That
was in the trailer too, So that's

426
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.519
that's why I was like, oh, dude, this movie crazy, Like

427
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.279
it's a lovecrafty and type movie.
They put a lot of emphasis on you

428
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:08.880
know, like there's a lot of
emphasis on water in Lovecraft's works. Obviously

429
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.440
there's a lot of that here.
The moon, a lot of emphasis on

430
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.599
the moon. It's like little subtle
easter eggs kind of of that lovecrafty and

431
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:25.079
stuff. But then finally, one
of the coolest and most blatant things if

432
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.519
if we're following that thread, that
like, what if the lighthouse is an

433
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.480
eldritch god or like an elder god, and you remember like the elder gods

434
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.240
from you know what? You know, that would mean that Wake truly who

435
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:44.519
knows how long he's been there worshiping
this thing and whatever. And when Ephraim

436
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.359
gets to the point where he's openly
defying Wake and he's like, I'm gonna

437
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:53.440
go see what's in the light,
Remember what happens? Wake chases him in

438
00:30:53.519 --> 00:31:00.640
the rain and then he shoots that
beam of light from his eyes into Fream's

439
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.799
eyes. Right, that's based off
of a painting from the early nineteen hundreds

440
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:10.440
when Lovecraft was popular, right,
called hypnosis, bro He hypnotized him.

441
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:11.680
You know what else is crazy about
that? I just had this thought,

442
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.960
like on the fly, you know, from like learning this new information or

443
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:23.720
whatever. That implies that Wake is
an initiate into this order. He's concealing

444
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:29.039
the mystery from the profane, the
younger you know, the younger character.

445
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.200
But get this again, I'm haven't
even spoiled all the Greek stuff yet that

446
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:33.559
you're gonna I know you're gonna talk
about it. Oh yeah, if you

447
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:42.000
understand like the ending of what happens
to Robert Pattinson's character. He is rebellious

448
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.279
like the figure referenced in the myth, and he has the same fate.

449
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.720
It's it's dude, it's like mind
blowing, like he is the figure from

450
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:56.519
the myth rebelling against the oppressive.
Like you you don't get the knowledge.

451
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.079
You see what I'm saying exactly I
mean is it's playing out in multiple level

452
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.720
and that is like I feel like
that's so rare to see in films because

453
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.680
like usually you have this interpretation or
that interpretation or whatever, but in this

454
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:15.119
one, they all tie together,
like from everything that we're going to talk

455
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.240
about, it all ties together.
Yeah. So let's go into the Greek

456
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:22.200
stuff because that was another thing that
the Eggers were very open about. They

457
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.759
say it in the movie. Yeah, I mean, it's in the dialogue.

458
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:31.279
Yeah. I want to preface it
with a quote from Heracleitus the Philosopher.

459
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:37.960
This is a quote about lighthouses.
Interestingly, this plays into the Lovecraft

460
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.759
stuff we were just talking about.
This is a quote that which was always

461
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:49.279
sorry that which was and always is
and will be everlasting. Fire the same

462
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:55.720
for all the cosmos, made neither
by God nor Man, replenishes in measure

463
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:02.240
as it burns away. It's as
if it's as if this lighthouse was always

464
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:08.359
there, always burning infinitely, and
it is just somehow ever present, ever

465
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:12.559
existent. It's like a you know, like one of the seven wonders of

466
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:17.799
the world is the Pharaos lighthouse,
which is the first ever. It's in

467
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.759
Alexandria. That's cool. It's the
first ever lighthouse. Oh, I'm going

468
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.960
to rip your mind apart with that
one in just a minute. Pharaohs was

469
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.200
the name. It was the first
ever one, and um who I think

470
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.079
Ptolemy may have built it. Oh, that would make sense. And they

471
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.799
wrote about it in either the Iliot
or the Odyssey. It was I know

472
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.759
Homer wrote it, but yeah,
I have it right here. Lighthouses were

473
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:45.680
invented in ancient Greece, most likely
by Ptolemy when he created Pharaohs, and

474
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:52.359
they were often considered sacred. Wow, so it's like, yeah, yeah,

475
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.400
it's super deep. Pharaohs is It's
one of the wonders of the world,

476
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.119
partially because of its size, but
also because it was an engineering marvel

477
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.000
from the ancient world that that so
so when you really think about it,

478
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:13.559
like the light is symbolic of the
wisdom of the mystery schools one hundred percent.

479
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.760
One hundred percent, I feel like
that's the allegory. Yeah, you

480
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:23.639
know, they erected this giant monolith
phallus right right, this giant monolith with

481
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:29.679
this this like all seeing eye at
the top that spins shines lights everything.

482
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:34.920
It's it's omnipotent, lights the darkness
into the sea and lights the shines light

483
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.119
into the abyss server and guides people. Yeah. Like but when you see

484
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.280
into the light, you you're like
insane with knowledge overwhelming power. Yeah,

485
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.320
there's a shot in the new Hell
Razor about that. By the way,

486
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.960
there's a new Hell Razor. Yeah
that sucks, dude, But but but

487
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.199
but the point being, it's it's
the same concept. That's cool. It

488
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.039
came out this past year twenty two. I never saw the original one.

489
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:58.719
The original one is actually one of
the best horror films ever. Really,

490
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.199
yes, yes, it's it's phenomenal. But to get back to the lighthouse

491
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:06.800
thing and the most recent Hell Razor
that just came out spoiler. The character

492
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.480
at the end, he's like,
if you don't know about hell Razor,

493
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.960
it's these like they're called Seno Bites. They're these like kind of like eldritch

494
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.079
demons from another realm that like they
blur the lines of like pleasure and pain

495
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:20.480
and like they torture you, but
like from their perspective, it's like that's

496
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.239
pleasure, you know what I mean. It's just a way out their concept

497
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.679
kind of crafty end it kind of
is, yeah, and it was written

498
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.440
in the eighties by Clive Barker.
Amazing movie the original but anyway, so

499
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.320
um, the main the character at
the end, he's like taken to the

500
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.360
realm of the Seno Bites and he's
like it's it's really graphic and gruesome.

501
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.679
But his his like skin is being
peeled off. But but because that's what

502
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.880
they do, that it looks and
they like told but like the crazy freaky

503
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.639
characters, there's some of them who
are like that's like they're they're they're seeking

504
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.280
this, you know what I mean, They're crazy. Yeah, And he's

505
00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:00.400
like got this face of like pure
like kind of like bliss and he's revealed

506
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.960
this huge shining white light. It's
like it's it's weird. It's like,

507
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.159
you know, the truth is like
on outside of our border of understanding between

508
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.320
pain and pleasure basically that is,
it's a similar concept. Yeah, it's

509
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:19.199
shown different. Well, no,
this isn't a new one. Oh oh

510
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.519
so that shot wasn't in there?
No, no, no, it's only

511
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:22.639
in the new one. That was
like the only cool thing. Does the

512
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.800
new one have like the same plot
as the original or completely different? Completely

513
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.079
different? But it wasn't as good
nowhere near. Okay, I want to

514
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.039
watch the original. You should watch
the og I like older horror movies,

515
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.239
like like I mean, Halloween,
especially like the seventies and eighties Shining Halloween.

516
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:44.239
Yes, come on now, Nightmare
on Elm Street. Yes, yeah,

517
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:47.679
come on now we're talking bangers.
Yes, okay, So back to

518
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:54.199
the Greek stuff. This, this
the Lighthouse is rife with Greek references,

519
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.760
like the driving premise. Yeah,
it really is. You don't know that

520
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.039
getting into the movie. That's a
secret. But if you if you go

521
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:06.880
into the movie with the lens of
Greek myth, you'll see it everywhere exactly.

522
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.599
But but that wasn't advertised, No, not at all. I love

523
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:13.039
that because it's esoteric, right,
right, they they hid it, you

524
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.000
know. So the main we're going
to talk about a few gods, a

525
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.360
few parallels. There's a lot of
Greek parallels here, but uh, confirmed

526
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:28.159
by the writer and director of the
film. The two main characters Thomas Wake

527
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:32.840
who is Williem Dafoe, and Robert
Pattinson's character Efrem Winslow, who you find

528
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:37.159
out his actual name is Thomas Howard. They're both named Thomas, which,

529
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.719
by the way, the true story
this is based on, they were both

530
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.639
named Thomas. Cool. Yeah,
cool. Um. You find out that

531
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:50.519
their characters, uh, Efrem who
is Robert Pattinson is Prometheus from Greek myth.

532
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.360
Thomas Wake who's Willem Dafoe, is
Proteus, which is you know that

533
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.960
those two characters never really like cross
paths in Greek myth, right, right.

534
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:07.280
But the really awesome thing about that
is in subsequent mythological writings, like

535
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.559
like from Homer or other philosophers,
they would do that. They would take

536
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.400
they would cross these figures exactly.
They would take figures that didn't cross paths

537
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.119
and they would write stories about them
cross So that's a mind blowing revelation.

538
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.199
I had a few minutes ago when
I was like, oh, my god,

539
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.920
because knowing that Robert Pattinson is the
Prometheus figure, what happens in the

540
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.360
Greek myth? Wait, wait,
I'm gonna say it. Let's let's say

541
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.760
it. So in according to Greek
myth, Prometheus is the Titan god of

542
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:39.239
fire. He is best known for
defying the will of the gods, stealing

543
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:45.239
fire from them and giving it to
humanity. And according to the myth,

544
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:51.440
Prometheus also discovers this is wild.
Prometheus is also the one who is credited

545
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:57.519
with discovering and establishing the use of
animal sacrifice. Oh shit, he kills

546
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.440
a seagull in the movie he literally
sat by, which causes a massive catastrophic

547
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.320
storm. So it's like, you
know, and we talked about recently how

548
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.480
sacrifice is in history has been used
to catalyze like rituals and stuff like that.

549
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:15.320
The Aztecs would literally daily, the
Aztecs back in the like you know,

550
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:19.159
the Aztecs and the Mayans and the
peak of their society. Dude,

551
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.679
they were sacrificing like sometimes ten thousand
people a day. A day, we're

552
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.519
just ripping their hearts off. Next
kind them open and rip their heart out

553
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:34.599
literally literally this is real history.
This isn't the Valentine's Day episode brouh.

554
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:39.840
And lastly about Prometheus. He is
also known as the representation of human striving

555
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:45.400
and the risk of overreaching, which
is like clear in the movie. So

556
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.039
then what's his fate when the gods
find out? So he so he steals

557
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:53.880
the fire from the gods and he
gives it to humanity, and as punishment

558
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:59.840
Zeus, obviously the king of the
gods, he curses him. He ties

559
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:06.639
to a tree, and he curses
him to be eternally eaten by birds.

560
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.039
I think in the myth it was
an eagle, because the eagle represents Zus.

561
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.239
It's like an eagle or a haw
buzzard or something. Ye. Yeah,

562
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.480
it's a bird and basic Raven maybe
he that bird. He ties Prometheus

563
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:22.159
to a tree, and that bird
eats his liver every single day for eternity.

564
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.039
It heals, it'll heal up to
meet him again. And what did

565
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.760
we say earlier? The final shot
of the movie is Robert Pattinson getting eaten

566
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.880
alive by seagulls. Ye it is. It is a blake. But also

567
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:37.800
that's that was the mind blowing revelation. Was he rebelled against a foe like

568
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:43.800
Prometheus in the myth, to try
to like get his hands on that that

569
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.119
fire exactly, or light or whatever. The fire. It's not literal,

570
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:52.400
it's no, it's it's it's the
Greek's packaged version of esoterically, you know,

571
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.800
if you want to go way out
of the box and related to the

572
00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:00.440
Mystery schools us, way in pre
Atlantean times, when we were perfect spiritual

573
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.679
beings, we had this knowledge and
then you know we fell and were trapped

574
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.119
in material reality because of our you
know, power is getting out of control

575
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.320
or whatever. We're talking about that
in Theoso allegory, right, you know,

576
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.800
it's not like literally fire, but
like there's truth to it. Yeah.

577
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:21.079
I mean it's like he stole knowledge
right from the guys and he gave

578
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.360
it's the Greek's version of that story. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um,

579
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:30.480
so let's talk about Proteus. Who
is William Dafoe's this movie. He

580
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.360
taught me about Proteus. I've never
heard of Proteus. He's the son of

581
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.800
Poseidon. He's a son of Poseidon. You know, Triton is his brother.

582
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:39.559
In some myths. Triton is older
in others, Proteus is older.

583
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:46.320
Most like people who study myth believe
that Proteus would be the older one.

584
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.559
Wasn't he like the god of like
foresight and prophecy? Yep? And he

585
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.599
was usually kind of like a siren
like depicted like out in the ocean,

586
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.000
right, and he would like give
prophecies to sailors. Oh yeah, he

587
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.519
is. His nickname in mythology is
the old Man of the sea, right,

588
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.079
I mean, come on that,
which I believed the movie was also

589
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.320
a play on that, maybe absolutely
old Man in the Sea dude. In

590
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:14.320
the film, there are two times
where William Dafoe's character openly well, I

591
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.960
wouldn't say he kind of hides it
a little, but he basically admits that

592
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:21.840
he is literally pro Proteus. I
mean, at one point he says the

593
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.840
word proteus, he says protean,
okays, but still he says something like,

594
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.000
oh, protean dread something something,
And in the same sentence he uses

595
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:35.079
the name Prometheus, Promethean something.
You know. He talks in like limeerate,

596
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.320
he talks in like poetry, like
and what's cool about that? Remembering

597
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.079
that monologue, when he says,
well, I'm about to say it,

598
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.760
you have the monologue. Well,
I have the first line, which is

599
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.679
the most important part to the Proteus
stuff. So anyway, in uh,

600
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.920
yeah, in Greek mythology, Proteus
was a prophetic sea god. He was

601
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.400
called the Old Man of the Sea. He was also a shape shifter.

602
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:02.280
We see William Dafoe take a few
worms in this movie. Yes, get

603
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:09.440
this. Often in paintings, Proteus
as is depicted with a don't say tentacles,

604
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:19.519
tentacles, a naked upper half with
a cockle crown, just like in

605
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.719
that one shot in the movie,
and tentacles legs. If you look up

606
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:30.159
the most famous painting of Proteus,
it's it's that it's him with tentacles on

607
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.880
the bottom. And yeah, bro, come on, now, come on

608
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.719
bro, it's blatant. He's got
the tentacles below. Yeah, this movie

609
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.800
is a tent up. Hold up, Remember I told you earlier the first

610
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:50.280
ever lighthouse was Pharaohs. You know
where Proteus lived, Pharaohs. It's like

611
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:54.840
it's like they nailed it, dude. Yeah, like it really is.

612
00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.639
It's almost as if you could so
if if from the lovecrafty perspective, you

613
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.880
could see this as like an eldritch
entity or an elder god. In the

614
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.000
Greek interpretation, you can see this
lighthouse as pharaohs. Right, this is

615
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.159
the original lighthouse, which would mean
that that light is the original light,

616
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.599
right, the original row knowledge of
initiation or whatever do When you really think

617
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:23.599
about it from this lens, it's
like it's it's he's initiated and he's keeping

618
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:28.840
the secret from the young guy who's
like he's at that point in Atlantean,

619
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.039
you know, relating it to the
mystery traditions. He's at that point where

620
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.239
he's trying to rebel so that he
can get his hands on that light.

621
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.000
Like it's mind blowing. You don't
know any of this going into the movie,

622
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:43.360
not at all, none of this, which is so it's like this

623
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:49.199
movie itself is protean and shape shifting. Yeah, because you could watch it

624
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.760
from multiple lenses and you will enjoy
it every time, and you'll see it

625
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.639
in a completely different way. Saying
earlier, when the characters begin to like

626
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:04.480
descend into madness from the viewer's perspective, that's visually demonstrated it really it's it's

627
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.519
like it's like the movie starts hallucinating
and think and they and one second,

628
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:13.239
they're normal sailors, like shoveling coal
in a furnace. The next second,

629
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.960
Willem Dafoe is this like godlike being
mechanical, shining light out of his eyes

630
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.760
and he's like standing naked outside in
the woods. It does cover his run

631
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.559
or whatever. The movie hallucinating it
does it like makes you feel like you're

632
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.960
hallucinating exactly exactly. And I'm gonna
go into some of the physical shots too,

633
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.559
But this is, this is the
monologue we keep talking about. It

634
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:39.840
is so incredible and it's done in
the most like shocking way. One second,

635
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.000
it's these two guys. They're drunk
out of their minds. They got

636
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:45.880
nothing else to do. They're drunk, like most of the movie, they're

637
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.840
wasted. They get night when they're
done laboring. Yeah, they just get

638
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.960
and dog or rum or whatever.
So they get into a little spat because

639
00:45:53.079 --> 00:46:00.320
they're button heads. Most of the
movie they're button heads, and uh Robert

640
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.360
Pattinson's character, uh, he basically
makes this comment that William Dafoe's cooking is

641
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.079
terrible. Oh yeah, yeah.
He's like, yeah, if I have

642
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:12.440
to eat your slop one more time, whatever, and he gets so offended

643
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.519
he's like, you like my cooking. You're lying. Yeah, He's like,

644
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.400
you're lying. I mean, he
gets made. And then he's like,

645
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.480
you're fond of me, lobster.
I've seen it, you're fond of

646
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.440
me. I mean he's mad.
He's like really mad, and he's he

647
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.239
basically tells him, I hate your
lobster. That's what he says. And

648
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:38.440
then it's like the gates of hell
open and William Dafoe is charged with godlike

649
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:45.679
power. He stands and throws his
chair back and delivers easily the most captivating

650
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:52.039
monologue in film history. The first
thing that he does when he stands up

651
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:58.079
is scream, hark hark. And
when he does it, lightning strikes and

652
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.280
thunder, and it's like, I
mean, it shows Robert Patson. He

653
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:08.800
is in utter fear. He's like, like in pure shocked because one second

654
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:13.679
he's like, I hate your lobster. I mean, it's like he explodes

655
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:20.719
in fury. So he says,
hark, Triton, Hark, Remember Triton.

656
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:24.599
What's the next sentence? He says, he's thinking about Neptune. No,

657
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:30.719
no, no, he says,
bellow, bid our father, our

658
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:39.159
father, Poseidon, Bellow bid our
father the sea king Poseidon rise from the

659
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:47.079
depths, full foul in his fury. He literally is calling out to Triton,

660
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:53.199
his brother, and he's basically telling
him, Uh, bring the full

661
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.639
fury of our father. Is this
before the storm and curse? No?

662
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:00.800
No, no, this is like
this is like right after they found out.

663
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:05.320
This is the night that they found
out they're gonna be stuck there because

664
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.599
of the storm. I think I'm
pretty because that would be crazy if that

665
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.400
was, like, you know,
esoterically, would like caused the storm.

666
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.000
But I don't know, I've seen, well, it seems like what truly

667
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:19.559
actually we know what truly caused the
storm was he killed the seagull, because

668
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.360
literally it does this shot where after
he kills it, it pans to the

669
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.519
top of the lighthouse and the winds
change and the north wind blows in.

670
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.239
And he even says in that speech, by the way, in that monologue

671
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.280
he says something about like the north
wind. Well, I wrote it down.

672
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.199
He says something about, like the
north wind blows from Uh was it

673
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.840
David's horn? Where here it is
north wind started blowing, Oh, like

674
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.360
Gabriel's horn. He says that in
the movie, like Gabriel's horn, the

675
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:51.199
north wind blows like Gabriel's horn,
and so he knew he knew, he

676
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.960
knew during that monologue that caused it. But then he's like, you don't

677
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:00.280
like my lobster, I'm gonna curse
you for all eternity. He basically ends

678
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.599
like a minute and a half straight
without blinking, screaming at Robert Betts's character,

679
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.039
cursing him in the most foul way
you could possibly imagine. I mean,

680
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:15.960
he's like talking about him getting ripped
apart eternally by sirens and all this

681
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:22.360
wild stuff. But he's literally beckoning
out to Triton and beside it. He's

682
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.519
like, he claims, he says
it in the movie he is Proteus.

683
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:30.920
He says it. It's incredible.
Those those two figures are the most prominent

684
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.079
representation of Greek myth in the movie. I got a couple more, uh,

685
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.800
just minor ones. Uh. Do
you remember when Robert Pattinson's character was

686
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:47.280
lugging the oil keg up the up
the stairs and Sysiphus, it's Sysiphus with

687
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.039
the stone pushing the stone because the
oil keg after he gets to the top.

688
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.480
Uh. William Dafoe's like, take
it back down right punishment. It's

689
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.559
literally sysiphus is eternally pushing that rock
up the hill. Yeah. So another

690
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:06.400
like the last thing that really stood
out to me about in terms of Greek

691
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.719
myth um. So when they're going
insane, the storm hits, they're trapped

692
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:14.400
for longer, they go out and
they pull out the reserve alcohol so that

693
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:16.480
they got plenty to drink. They
go crazy. They're drinking. It's insane.

694
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.480
They drink, they go through all
of it and they have nothing left

695
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.920
to drink and they're starting to like
go even more insane because of alcohol withdrawls.

696
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.880
So what do they do. They
start pouring the kerosene into cups,

697
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.920
and what they mix with it,
I don't remember. Honey, the nectar

698
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:39.639
of the Gods. They mix it
with honey, yes, and they start

699
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:44.880
drinking it. And after they drink
the kerosene, that's when that really iconic

700
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.760
scene of them like dancing around and
singing. They become like godlike beings.

701
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.800
Bro, they become like Dionysian almost. They had drunk from the nectar.

702
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.920
Yeah, they start like dancing with
each other and like they're like screaming these

703
00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:01.400
these like shanties they're they're having like
a uh is it a Dionysian ritual?

704
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:07.000
After drinking the Nectar of the gods? Right, and then again like we

705
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.320
said, um, you see the
shot when they're fighting each other. You

706
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:14.519
literally see a shot of William Dafoe
in a cockle crown, like a shelled

707
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:19.599
crown with tentacles for legs. He's
he's become he becomes Proteus. That it's

708
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:24.000
for a very brief little shot,
just one little shot, and then and

709
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:31.119
then Robert Pattinson he becomes up,
he becomes Prometheus. The prophecy is fulfilled,

710
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:36.079
and he's eaten, but he's literally
moving while he's being eaten too,

711
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.679
you can see, so who knows, Maybe he's stuck there forever. Maybe

712
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.679
the curse really worked and he's gonna
be there forever. It's just because he

713
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.320
doesn't like die. No, it's
like that's how the movie is. He's

714
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.400
fall alive, but he's being eaten
by the seagulls. Yeah, it shows

715
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:53.199
that incredible shot of him killing.
William Dafoe finally making it into the tower,

716
00:51:54.119 --> 00:52:00.280
opening the thing and and seeing the
pure, unadulterated power of the light,

717
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:07.159
and he is like screaming and cackling
in madness, completely driven mad and

718
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.400
they like super distort his voice too, so it is just like really visceral

719
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.599
and yeah, falls down the spiral
staircase, eating alive by seagulls. So

720
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.360
incredible. This is the last interpretation, and it's a real quick one.

721
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:28.000
I went into this movie thinking I'm
gonna get like the lovecrafty and angle and

722
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.920
I'm gonna get the Greek angle and
I'm gonna get those really down so that

723
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.920
we can talk about him on the
episode. But a third one, A

724
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:43.119
third one the entire time was just
like in my face and it was kind

725
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:50.800
of a New Age interpretation. There
was a lot of really really mystical New

726
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.480
Age stuff that at first I was
like, maybe this is just kind of

727
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:59.199
coincidence, Maybe it's not like Blaze, you know, maybe it's not intentional

728
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:01.280
whatever. As the movie went on, there was so much of it that

729
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:06.000
I ended up being like, there's
no way it wasn't intentional. Um.

730
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:10.000
And I also found out that the
brothers who made the movie are super into

731
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:15.880
the occult. They're super into Carl
Young um and stuff like that, so

732
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.960
I found that out afterwards. But
one of the things that jumped out to

733
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.599
me early in the film, and
then probably fifteen times throughout the film,

734
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:32.039
they make a blatant point in the
cinematography to highlight a couple of very important

735
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:39.000
symbols, which are this and this, Like are they like triangles? No,

736
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.960
No, that's that's the incredible like
chevrons without a yes connection yes,

737
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.239
which is like you know, think
about like the Da Vinci code like that,

738
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:52.079
that's how and like the most ancient
masculine and the feminine masculine feminine Yeah

739
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:58.280
and um. They were even quoted
as saying that this movie and The Witch

740
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:04.519
are are depictions of the divine masculine
and the divine feminine, that they are

741
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.239
depictions of it. So I start
noticing this shape a lot, and it's

742
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.480
not just like, oh, it's
the roof is like that. It's like

743
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.559
no, no, no, I
wrote down all the things. They have

744
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:21.400
chains on their shirts that do that. There were multiple buildings where it looked

745
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:25.320
like the set designers intentionally took out
the bottom part of a triangle to highlight

746
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.679
that specific shape. There's a there's
a scene where he's repelling on a rope,

747
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.880
very very blatant. There's a part
where it shows a book it's sitting

748
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:40.519
there like this, it's like countless
and then the other one it shows there's

749
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.320
like rock Oh, there's this one. There's this one scene where he's like

750
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:50.000
Robert Pattinson's walking between these two like
rock ranges, and the way that they

751
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:57.800
keyed the shot was like a perfect
feminine symbol, like perfect like that there

752
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.920
was a knife. There was this
part where there was a knife and a

753
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:06.559
shadow of the knife position perfectly in
the center of the shot on the wall

754
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:08.559
to make that shape. And when
I saw that one, I was like,

755
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:14.559
that seems so intentional, right,
But what I was going to say,

756
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.519
like that I got that notion also
from the scene with like his fantasy

757
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:21.840
of the mermaid, like you know, looking it up afterwards, it's like

758
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:27.880
it's like, uh, depicting the
creative forces of you know, nature,

759
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.719
like the masculine and feminine energies.
Well, yeah, totally, And like

760
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:37.840
if you follow that thread, oddly, there's a lot of like sensual sexual

761
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.800
energy in the movie. I was
waiting, you know what I'm saying.

762
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.679
I was gonna say, there's a
whole element of this movie that you glossed

763
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.119
over that's in this final one,
and it's because it's like about the New

764
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:52.639
Age stuff, because you know,
that's highlighted a lot to create the archetypal

765
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.360
forces of creation masculine and feminine.
So what were you going to say about

766
00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:00.679
it? So this may come as
a shock too many people who have yet

767
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:07.119
to watch the movie. This is
probably the one live action film that has

768
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:12.599
more flatulence than anybody ever recorded,
and it's intentional. And then there's even

769
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:17.960
a scene where he's like he's like, uh, I don't know, like

770
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:22.079
you know, taking out their their
what do you call it? Where you

771
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.960
like, yeah, a bead pan. He's like taking it outside to dump

772
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:29.760
in the ocean, and like it
gets all over him. Yeah, And

773
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:34.519
like there's there's a lot of parts
in this movie that highlight just these two

774
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:39.840
guys in a room together just constantly
just unleashing bodily functions. And it's not

775
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:44.320
like the whole movie, it's just
it's just a few scenes highlights. It's

776
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.679
a few scenes that it's highlighted.
And in my research it was speculated that

777
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:53.199
it is Agger's attempt at showing like
he's showing this why because it's disgusting.

778
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.559
Nobody everybody can agree that's disgusting,
of course, And it's like it's a

779
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:04.400
way too highlight, a complete breakdown
and overwhelming of the physical senses. You

780
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.880
see what I'm saying. Yeah,
some people speculate that maybe it's a play

781
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:15.239
at like some sort of crallyan yeah
thing. Yeah, I mean kind into

782
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:21.199
really like weird, you know,
very weird shit. Um. But yeah,

783
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:22.559
I mean there's there's that element to
the movie too, which is like,

784
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.519
it's weird, but no, it
is. I mean it goes That's

785
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:31.079
what I'm saying. Like, they
made this movie with an open mind,

786
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:37.360
and they pulled from basically every mystical
thing that they knew of, um,

787
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.920
which is like and they all go
hand in hand, which is why this

788
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:44.960
is so incredible to me. Um. But to wrap up the masculine and

789
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.360
fineminin thing, bro. I mean, the whole time, I'm like,

790
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:51.519
maybe I'm just looking into this too
much. Maybe I'm just like, wait,

791
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.480
dude. Towards the end of the
movie, there's a shot and they

792
00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.800
center the shot on this image kind
of look like a Viking room. Yeah,

793
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:07.480
but it's it's like a it might
be the like boat doc or something

794
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:12.280
that they use, but it is
so intentionally perfectly centered and it has the

795
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.760
masculine and feminine symbols like crossing each
other. It's like a perfect harmony of

796
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.800
masculine and feminine. And then just
following this thread of the masculine and feminine

797
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:25.639
thing, you could almost look at
it as if the Light is pure feminine

798
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:31.280
energy at the top. That's why
like they get intoxic. Like when you

799
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:37.440
know Thomas Wake is up there,
he's like sexual, He's like very sexually

800
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.800
charged. He even says he's married
to the light. That's his wife.

801
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.599
He calls the Light his wife.
It's not like in the movie Day like

802
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.960
have some sort of sexual act.
It's just implied, Well, there is

803
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:52.079
a sexual act. Do you not
remember the dream with the Mermaid? Right?

804
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:53.760
No, I don't remember. Oh
yeah, I mean he like he

805
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:58.239
like gets himself off one time.
Yeah, but I mean yeah, that's

806
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.840
the extent of it, right,
yea, yeah, but it's it's implied.

807
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.800
Yeah, all that stuff is implied
for them exactly. But but it's

808
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:07.840
like if you think about it from
that lens, it's like raw feminine energy

809
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:13.039
at the top. And and like
you said, Wake is an initiate and

810
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:16.800
he knows that Ephraim's not ready for
it, and all this stuff. Ephraim

811
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:21.280
defies him and goes to it anyway, and it's too much for him to

812
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:25.719
handle. Like it's the raw power
of feminine energy. It's just like another

813
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:30.599
mystical lens to look through, another
crazy thing. I think. I think

814
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:35.920
they made they highlighted as above,
so below so much in this movie.

815
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:40.079
There are probably three or four shots
of that spiral staircase, and they intentionally

816
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:45.360
do shots going up it and shots
going down it. That is literally the

817
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:51.159
spiral of consciousness going up and down. And even at one point Thomas Wake

818
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:54.079
says to Ephraim, he says,
you're so mad, you know, not

819
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.440
up from down. You're so mad, you know, not up from down,

820
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.079
which is that's funny, like you're
so mad, think about it out

821
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.800
of the box, you know,
mad could be if we're thinking from the

822
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.079
love crafty angle, the people who
are witnessing these cosmic you know, truths,

823
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:12.480
so to speak. Yeah, esoterically
speaking, you're so mad, you

824
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.480
know, not up from down.
So that's that's kind of like literally as

825
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:19.840
above so below exactly up in the
down or connected the realms exactly. Yeah,

826
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:23.320
that's that's deep. It is.
And after seeing all of the those

827
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:30.079
symbols and the spiral shots that were
so intentionally put in there, going up

828
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.599
and down multiple times, and then
he said that I was like, come

829
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.239
on, man, um, all
right, I'm wrapping up because I'm sure

830
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.400
we're almost we're out of time.
Probably the last thing that one of the

831
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:45.920
last things I wanted to talk about
was Carl Young. Carl Young famously claims

832
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:54.519
um that Proteus is a depiction of
the human unconscious and there's a white out

833
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:58.840
in the water exactly, yes,
yeah, and the conscious is like the

834
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:04.119
water. And also uh Egger says
in interviews he is like he is super

835
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.199
well versed in Young, like in
Carl Young. He's like, it's cool,

836
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:09.159
read all his books. He's super
into it. Whatever. M a

837
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:15.639
ton of theories of people from who
have seen the movie theorize that Thomas Wake

838
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:22.000
isn't even real, He's not even
there. He's the unconscious of of Epreum.

839
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:22.840
Well, I mean, that would
make sense if he was Proteus.

840
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.320
And that's another way it. This
theme ties in with the Greek theme.

841
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:35.079
Now there's an element that we haven't
mentioned. What you know, you know,

842
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:40.599
there's so many different cultures who have
their take at esoteric myths, and

843
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:45.159
you know, the whole sin syncretistic
perspective, where you know, you're a

844
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:50.039
comparative mythological perspective, where you take
these different myths and you compare them and

845
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:59.639
how they overlap. Do you realize
the most popular igrigor or most popular version

846
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:07.199
of how people depict Prometheus, Right, hell, Lucifer, Oh, and

847
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.079
he was like an angel of light? Exactly what happened to him? He

848
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:14.360
rebelled against the force that said,
and we're going to talk about this on

849
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:19.280
the Theosophy episode. And he rebelled
against the force that said, you guys

850
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:23.280
don't get the knowledge. So what
happens. He's punished, He's sent down,

851
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:28.159
as the Bible says or whatever,
sent down into chains of darkness for

852
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.039
a thousand years. Well, you
know, esoterically, it's us. You're

853
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:37.840
ready for this. It's us.
We in the very ancient past, in

854
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:44.360
Atlantean times, were perfect spiritual beings. We became over time, existing in

855
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:49.239
this condition. We became, so
to speak, not literally but like drunk

856
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:55.920
with the power of being perfectly spiritual
incarnate beings. We fucked that up and

857
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.920
we fell or you know, you
could say de evolved or whatever, into

858
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:07.119
material reality. Wow, dude,
we are Prometheus. You see what I'm

859
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.559
saying. It's it's a metaphor,
it's not literal. These are these are

860
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:17.119
not actual existent of course us man. Remember we all come from the one

861
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:22.519
true God, consciousness though the source
whatever. But how did we get here?

862
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:28.000
We fell? Damn wait till the
Theosophy episode. Yeah, I'm pumped

863
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.639
on that. This is This is
what I'm talking about though, When when

864
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:36.320
creators approach from not like I'm gonna
tell this specific esoteric, you know,

865
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:38.159
story or whatever, when they're just
like, it's open. Yeah, I'm

866
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:43.360
yeah, I'm gonna let my intuition
guide me and pull from Look how powerful

867
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:47.960
it is. I'm so excited to
look for other examples like this because this

868
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:52.039
this is one of the most mind
blowing bits of research that I've done for

869
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:57.280
this show because it just revealing things
to me. It was just coming to

870
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.000
me. It was like I didn't
even have to try all these different angles,

871
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.000
and it went from me thinking maybe
we can't make an episode to this

872
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:10.639
too. I could fill ten episodes
because there are probably so many more interpretations

873
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:13.320
that one. The Lucifer thing.
I didn't even think about that, and

874
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.880
like, we didn't even talk about
parallels to Christianity, which there are many

875
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:21.320
of the story of Jesus and many
the whole New Testament is basically written in

876
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:26.400
Greek. There's so much. The
Book of John was written by neo Platonic

877
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:31.159
Greek philosophers, you know, neo
Platonic meaning like like people who believed in

878
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.079
Plato's years after he was dead.
But the spoiler for people, because I

879
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:39.559
don't want people to hear, oh
Lucifer, Oh shit, that's that's not

880
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:45.239
it's not what you think. The
answer to that, the redemption from that

881
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:54.199
or or the salvation from that is
we are also basically Christ. Yeah,

882
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:58.480
that's the way back, right,
you know if we fell many many,

883
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:00.320
many eons ago, and it's like, man, how do we get here?

884
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:03.119
Okay, next question, how do
we get out? How do we

885
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:10.400
get back? Yeah? Christ consciousness. Yeah, I'm coming to completely and

886
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:16.199
totally rely on that as like the
complete truth. That's that's That's the basic

887
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:21.519
epitome of what Theosophe's all about.
I can't wait. I want to do

888
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.719
that episode. Yeah, we're gonna
do it. Are we are? We

889
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:30.280
all good? All right? We
love you. I totally highly recommend you

890
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:33.039
all watched. Well, I don't
know that this is a movie you could

891
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.880
recommend to everybody. It's it's honestly
pretty ard horror fans will love it.

892
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:42.239
It's not scary, but it's just
like super creepy vibes, fun movie.

893
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.320
Yeah, it's experimental, very house
type. We need a rating out of

894
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:49.400
ten. Oh, this is a
ten. It's definitely a ten. This,

895
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:51.679
this is for sure. It's the
first of its kind. Dude,

896
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:56.599
there's two people in the movie like, it does that and it's excellent and

897
01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:01.239
like I've been more safeguarding my tens
in life lately. That gets it.

898
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:05.440
That gets it. No questions asked. Yeah, every time I watched the

899
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.039
movie, I learned something new about
it. Definitely. No, it's it's

900
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:15.400
like the performances are, it's impeccable. It's it's so just absurdly you could

901
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.119
say visionary, experimental, abstract,
one of a kind. It's one of

902
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.840
a kind. Yeah, there's no
there's no film like it. It's right

903
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:26.239
up there with with two thousand and
one, everything everywhere, all at once.

904
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.599
It's right up there in that category. So it might not be your

905
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:31.960
flavor of movie, yeah, but
may not be your cup of tea.

906
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:38.239
But if you like stuff like that
this is a masterpiece. We love the

907
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:44.440
Oomies, we love y'all. Be
all right, we're gonna do it.

908
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:49.960
Ready, Yeah, back, guys, guys. Weird things to happen in

909
01:06:49.960 --> 01:07:06.719
the backyard. Yea, so weird
coming closer to us, players, industry

910
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:15.639
up, like spiraling on the inside
of it. No one, no man,

911
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:41.960
Wow, it's come right ever Shine, he ain't carry