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Ready for July seventeen, twenty twenty
four, allegedly, according to that thing

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we call a calendar. This is
the o'celly effect. I am Chuck o'helly,

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And the reason why I'm speaking this
way at the beginning is because I

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noticed that some of the automatically generated
transcripts of the show are getting a little

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muddled at the beginning. So let's
see if we can get it clear.

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I gave the date fully. It
is Wednesday, or Rodin's Day, w

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Odin's day here in the middle of
the week. I did not do a

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broadcast last night, so we're going
to do a double show today. And

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do I have an interesting one for
you in the first hour. Larry Hancock,

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the author who takes up a lot
of space on my bookshelf, not

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because he's taken up space, but
because he's got a lot of interesting things

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to say. You might think I
would ask Larry about the recent assassination attempt.

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I'm not going to. We're gonna
discuss one of those things that's sort

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of fallen out of the headlines.
Oh so temporarily, what's happening in Ukraine,

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etc. And I do mean etc. Because is anybody at this moment

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in this country, in the English
speaking world, even paying attention to the

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foreign policy and debacles and god knows
what the hell Biden is actually doing and

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his administration regarding the ongoing conflicts.
I mean, I know that the Palestinian

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thing and the Israeli conflict gets a
bit of headline news, but it seems

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like Ukraine, the longer it goes
on, the less it's in the headlines.

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Maybe it's just me, but anyway, we're gonna talk about that in

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the first hour and in the second
hour tonight somewhere around nine pm, we're

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gonna turn it over to Redmond Porkin's
policy. You have not heard from Peers

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in a while, but he's going
to be the guy that we're going to

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discuss the recent events in Pennsylvania,
the near miss on Trump, and no

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he was not wounded by a bullet, but we'll get there. And I'm

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not saying it was faked, and
I'm not going into my theories on it.

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Let me hear from my guests tonight, and you know, who knows,

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maybe we'll even go crazy and get
into a third hour and take calls

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from you guys if you ask for
it. During the show. Okay,

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so anyway, let me get to
Larry. Larry. It's it's a weird

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time to be alive, Larry.
But you know, if people go to

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Larry dash Hancock dot com, they
can definitely catch you blogging on a lot

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of things. Oh and you know
what, we haven't heard from you in

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a little bit. I'm glad you
sound really good. I talked to you

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just before we went to air.
You know, I'm glad you sound really

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good. You're you're you had a
few issues there, but your back.

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You sound strong. And by the
bye, I do want to get an

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update on that Oswald book that we
were talking about. I think the last

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time we got together, if it
wasn't that, it was RFK, which,

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by the way, I might ask
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all that before we're done, if
we have time. But anyway, what's

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going on with the Oswald book?
But before we go there, even how

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you doing? I'm doing good?
And actually those two things sort of go

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together, Chuck, because after completing
like what was maybe a six month editing

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process that felt more like four years, we have finished that and that's substantially

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contributed to improvement in my overall energy
levels. That sort of thing drags you

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down relief from the completion. We're
done, it's pretty much ready to go

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to publishing. Excellent, and you
have all your you know, by the

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way, we've gotten over this before
where your wife is actually helped you pick

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some book titles. Did that happen
this time? Do you do you?

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Or did you just do you?
Did you have it already in hand?

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Did the editor? Did you know? Did Rex help you here? Because

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I know Rex put you through the
paces on editor this time Rex helped a

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lot. Rex and David and I
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My wife really didn't get involved.
I think when she realized I was

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actually doing another book, she said, I'll talk to you later, like

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you know, next year. And
so no, Rex was a big help

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in that, just as he was
in the overall process. He's added tremendously

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to the book because as a good
editor does, he kept asking me questions

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and asking me to defend my positions. And the book grew and grew and

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grew, and now I think where
at four hundred and twenty five pages without

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the index or without the photo section. So it's it definitely it definitely grew

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through the edit experience. Nice.
Look, I'm looking forward to this,

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which, by the way, I
just got a Skype question and I don't

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know the answer to this. It's
funny because mathematically I never thought about it.

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I think I have every book you
put out. But how many books

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have you actually released as books?
Larry? I think, well, as

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books, it's probably about eleven.
But considering that someone would have talked actually

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came out in three different editions and
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I don't know if you would count
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I'm setting at about fourteen issues,
if you will, of different books

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at the moment, some of them
on Amazon, some of at this point

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in time you'd only find on eBay
because they have been around so long.

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So it's yeah, it's it's more
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again, it just you know,
like, no, surely not, but

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yeah, there they are, there
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funny thing is on thrift books,
you're actually one of the most popular requested

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authors because you can set a wish
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used copy of a book, and
some of your books that's the only way

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to get them now, because I
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I'm not sure which ones, but
maybe some of the ones like Lancer

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is no longer printing, maybe and
you had released appear with them. The

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good news is some of the some
of the even some of the Lancer books

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are on Amazon print on demand.
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They're not stocked a lot, but
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Yeah, there are a couple,
like you know, November Patriots or the

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first couple of editions as someone would
have talked, that you could only find

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on eBay. Uh, but most
everything else is available still on Amazon.

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Yeah, I mean, and let's
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A few that I usually don't mention, Like Nexus is one that I

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don't mention. I often use the
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the book. It's a great book
as well, and all this stuff.

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Basically, generally, I would say
it's always about the study of the national

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security state and their reaction one way
or another to many things, whether it

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is various surprise attacks, oh coincidentally
the title of a book, you know,

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or it is about assassinations or well, unidentified you know, UAP's we

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call them now, but unidentified is
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I know, I'll correct myself again, but still, you know,

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it's always about the national security reaction, and it's always some very interesting and

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I find it fascinating that in my
little subgenre of JFK stuff, you're always

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in the top five or early the
top three rated most requested people on wish

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lists. When people are looking for
books that aren't always in stock on some

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of these sites, I want you. I don't know if you know that,

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but you're always there and people are
always looking for Sometimes the first copies

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of someone would have Talked, which
by the way, are quite different from

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say the third version of it,
you know, because there were updates,

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right, you know, from each
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Now, on the other hand,
something like Creating Chaos as kind of stayed

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in its own I think that's only
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Yea, yeah, it's in only
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just talking about the books, the
failure of Creating Chaos to really register

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has probably been the most disappointing to
me because it relates directly to what we'll

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be talking about this evening. And
it's like I wrote about a whole series

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of events and context and everything that
everybody nobody thinks about anymore. It's like,

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here's here's what's happening now, and
if it continues to happen, here's

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what will come to pass. And
it did, right It's disappointing to me

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that it was so apparent at that
point in time, especially the concept of

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hybrid warfare, that it just really
didn't register. But and you went some

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of that, you lose some right
now. At the time that you put

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out Creating Chaos, which has a
subtitle that does mention a guy who does

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make headlines often, which is Vladimir
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weeks, before the headlines were completely
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about what happened recently in Crimea.
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annexed already by the time your book
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And now we're over two years in
the conflict in Ukraine, which you

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know, people have utilized for various
political purposes, and there's been various stances

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about it, and even domestically,
it's become an issue. Are we going

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to continue to fund this? But
of course we're going to fund Israel after

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you know, post October second,
you know it was October second, right,

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I think it was October second.
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you know, the the war headlines, if you will, started to

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get dominated by Israel and Palestine and
that circumstance. But it's fascinating to me

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how it seemed like the whole world
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one side and on the other side, no, no, no, Vladimir

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Putin is a hero denocification and it
became almost a secondary domestic issue that people

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were arguing over. But when you
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post crimea. But previous the shots
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as the it was, Russia was
at the stage of deniable warfare. At

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that point in time. They had
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They had actually armored and artillery formations
in eastern u Camkraine, but they were

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denying them. They were all,
as Putin so elegantly put it, well,

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a lot of our troops decided to
take vacation and I don't know where

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they went. But okay, so
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live and it was real, but
it was was deniable. And even when

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I was writing, he had it
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issued pres statements that said, well, actually, we do have military in

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eastern Ukraine. And by the way, yes we did crimea. That was

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a I did send special forces in
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said. So it was just evolving
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Chuck, what's even more important,
what doesn't get captured now is I'm hearing

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no dialogue at all about the how
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over time, you know, in
creating chaos. I began during in the

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time period where Russia actually was part
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anti terrorism level. At that point
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very much engaged in friendship activities with
Europe. There's no discussion of anybody threatening

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Russia. He was, you know, he was joining all the big executive

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level international meetings and he was he
was a good guy. He was had

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nothing but good things to about Europe
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it's like when now we hardly ever
remember that he was there. Yeah,

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well he was doing a lot of
business, right, and you know,

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there was even during the Trump administration. Look, let's turn the G seven

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into the G eight, Let's bring
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of that was actually happening, which
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one of the primary arguments for a
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Putin has completely justified in what he's
doing, you know, side of

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the equation is that, look,
he was completely surrounded by NATO, threatened

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by NATO, he was being you
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United States, you know, absolutely
surrounding the new Russian Federation. And meanwhile

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you have you know, these people
in Ukraine who were being abused by Ukrainians,

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so he had to step in ethnic
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this this is the the concept that
that people still discuss. But what was

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actually happening. I mean, you
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kind of unceremoniously was was gotten out
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cooperation with the people in Minsk,
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of that, some of the border
nations okay, that are not supposed to

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be Russian necessarily, but certainly are
allies of the Russians. It was.

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It was an interesting circumstance, and
then this went down. So why why

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are we at the point we're at? Because I'm still stunned, honestly,

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Larry, that this is going on. I would have figured that there would

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have been a solution by now,
which seems to me that the only solution

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that Putin has said he would accept
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regions that are you know, predominantly
occupied by people that want to belong with

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Russia, that want to be part
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parts of your country, I guess, and we'll go away. Which maybe

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I'm misreading. This is what is
the circumstance, And I'll shut up and

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let you lay this out. What's
happening now? And why has this gone

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on so long? By the way, what's hard to grasp is that so

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much of it appears to actually be
personal. Again, there was a point

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in time where Putin was courting Western
Europe, doing a lot of business with

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Western Europe, and in a very
good position. He had markets. They

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were literally giving him the gas mark
for Western Europe. You know, it's

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kind of like and then what happened
and again you have to go through the

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timeline it is and creating chaos.
What happened coincidentally with that is that that

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something that George burst George Bush.
The first that actually started years earlier was

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a democracy initiative. The Bush administration
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of bringing democracy actually not just Eastern
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Europe and even to Russia because at
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democracy was a thing, and Russia
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had some very democratic elections, a
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officially started funding a lot of organizations
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we do it in the United States, back when we thought we did elections

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in the United States pretty well,
you know, how to monitor the voting,

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how to make sure it got reported
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the US funded that for private NGOs, for convinted that and the whole concept

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was, you know, we're going
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great until the other guys lose an
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you transfer that immediately to where it
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twenty fourteen. That timeframe, there
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in Ukraine who wanted more of an
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with their you know, prior Soviet
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I mean, there were literally two
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a lot of money was put into
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was from the American funding or the
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of money into the campaign. And
this is all documented. It's in the

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books, so I don't hesitate saying
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was being tracked and Putin lost and
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take it well. And so from
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to happen, like cutting off gas
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middle of winter. Right now,
that's something you don't do if you want

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to keep your customers, because it
tends to make them nervous. Well,

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but it was the first sign that
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that Putin's policy had become a Russian
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know, ice cream and cherries.
You know that he was more than prepared

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to crack the whip if things didn't
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it relevant to bring up that shortly
before that time period though, that he

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was, you know what, the
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Yeah? Was he the mayor of
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major city. St. Peter Saint
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city, but I wouldn't want to
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He was very successful in regional polity. He was successful in that way they

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go in politics and in business,
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Because the Soviet Union had collapsed,
Gorbachov had handed off, you know,

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because you go back all the way
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hands off to Boris Yeltson. And
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segment of the Russian population with the
way things went down. They were taking

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advantage of economically, I mean,
I've had the guy on here, you

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know, the economic hitmen and such
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some legitimate resentment even because they were
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when there was serious reorganization of what
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you know, first of all,
here's just Russia, and I'm going to

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go look up which city Putin was
a mayor of, because I forget off

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the top of my head, I
know I wrote about it even But here's

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the thing. He's building his alliances
and pretty soon he's going to become the

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elected prime minister, and then he's
gonna for the next what thirty years trade

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jobs between prime minister and president,
right, and keep going back and forth

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so that he doesn't violate the constitution
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and so forth. But he's still
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the moment, it seems like the
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this is when the economic warfare.
Like there's a pushback, right,

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because weren't they being taken advantage of
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or no? There were three things
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To be truly objective about it,
you've got to remember Putin was old line

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KGB communist party. He was old
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happening on. First of all,
Russia dispenses with communism, dispenses with state

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ownership. And inside Russia, somebody
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is going to everything that state companies
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ownership. And while there are good
books on the hip men from the West,

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there are also some really good books
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how the class of oligarchs were created. So, yes, one thing that's

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going on is inside Russia you have
the rise of the oligarchs, who literally

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take advantage of parsing out the state
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guys who are always on the make. I mean, you find somebody and

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they're going to go in and they're
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possibly can. But the third thing
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gets left out of the equations.
The United States and Western European countries poured

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tons and tons of money literally under
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the Soviet Union, trying to stabilize
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government because nobody wanted to be anarchy. Nobody wanted to see intercene warfare.

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So the third thing that's going on
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into Russia from the West, and
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So I guess what I would say
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there's ample reason to be dissatisfied with
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your choice, and whoever's in charge
of Russia gets to focus on who they

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want to make look bad, right, because there's ample guilt and drama to

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spread around for everybody, everybody,
and you just kind of forget all the

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good parts and focus on the bad
parts. Putin is not nobody in Russia

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at this point, and I'm is
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the Communist state. Well, and
a lot of them, let's be frank

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about it, were in one way
or another, seen as criminal elements that

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had their own separate power bases from
the Communist party, right, they had

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their own financial independence. And what
Putin basically did is say, look,

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throw in with me and we will
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I know I'm oversimplifying, but I
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right, and about. And the
only way you can do that is

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you have to have been an insider
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state to the these the other organization, right who sues the other organization?

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Internally it's these groups. These you
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transition. You literally have to be
able to say, Okay, who gets

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to buy stock, who gets these
assets, who owns these factories? You

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know, somebody has to be in
a position, and he was in a

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good position to create a coalition to
do that. And you know, to

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the winner gets the spoils, and
for him it was political advantage. Uh,

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plus a lot of money. Uh. People. Again, people don't

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talk about it, but you know
a few years ago, a whole host

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of records from this period of time
were released from the third party countries where

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the money was being handled in Central
America. And it's kind of interesting,

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but that that doesn't give much discussion
these days. No, but you're you

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described it in a very straightforward I
would just this is the context of that

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period of time. It was very
chaotic, and there was blame on all

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parties and participation in all parties.
That's just life right now. Just to

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clarify something from earlier. It's Saint
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indeed he's serving in all kinds of
positions quite frankly, as soon as he

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resigns from the KGB in between nineteen
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whose account you take here, he
has a resignation from the KGB, which

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he had been with since nineteen seventy
five, but also held a position with

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the GRU and various government agencies,
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Right, that's very important. But
hey, I'm blaming a point.

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I said, Saint Petersburg, so
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did, you had it ahead of
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know why I thought Moscow. Oh
I know why I thought Moscow because he's

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serving in multiple government positions and is
being called Okay, you know, he

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owns summits in Moscow with Bill Clinton
in two thousand and all, like his

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timeline is littered with this. You
know, all of a sudden, he's

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got multiple positions in the government until
he ascends all the way to the top

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of the government, where he has
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two and a half decades, Okay, just saying, so it's it's not

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hard to confuse this a bit,
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guy at that point. Again,
at that point in time, during that

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period, there's no talk against the
West. There's no talk, you know,

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it's all I you know, I'm
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we love everybody, right, I
mean, he's but he's first deputy manager

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for yeltsin in ninety six. He's
the deputy chairman of the Saint Petersburg City

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Government and chairman of the Committee for
External Relations. He's got foreign stuff going

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on, where he's meeting with people
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In other words, it's starting in
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either resigning or in the process of
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career goes, you know, like
crazy. He rises, just saying,

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and that's the time where the files
were. Yeah, well, it's interesting

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how these guys in the intelligence agency
magically have the support of all the people

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that the intelligence agency would have files
on. You know. Anyway, I'm

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making jokes, but that's the truth
of his you know, his publicly understood

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political timeline. I just wanted to
make sure we had it straight. Okay,

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But now we're not talking about that
guy anymore, because that guy was

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in a different circumstance. He was
definitely in a let's say, a defensive

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position. Let's be fair. The
Soviet Union collapsing created a great deal of

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uncertainty. Like you said, there
are people from within and from without seeking

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to prey upon the vulnerabilities of a
system which has just collapsed. Right.

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You know, there's the redistribution of
the nukes, which people have talked about.

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There's all of the you know,
places where resources and particular things were

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being sourced from that are no longer
going to be part of the Russian arrangement

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one way or another. Various nations
either want their independence or want to come

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back into the fold, and all
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This is a bit of chaos,
and it's not even the creating chaos

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that you're talking about in the book, which by the way, is not

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solely focused on putin creating chaos just
for people's knowledge. He's a big part

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of the book, but he's not
the whole book, is he? We

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do everybody. Yeah, yeah,
you know, East West, both sides.

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But one might say that simply because
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and somebody that might want to reassemble
a coherent structure in their society, in

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their government, in their nation,
somebody who was, let's just be completely

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you know, vanilla about this,
is a true believer in somebody who is

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being a servant of the people right
for Russia. If you're that guy,

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you're scrambling to figure out any which
way that you can regain some sort of

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footing where you're not just going to
be picked clean to the bones, which

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could have happened to the former Soviet
Union. Some people claim that it did

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happen. That's exactly what happened,
right, that they were completely preyed upon

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and then surrounded completely, despite the
fact that they had been promised that,

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you know, the West would not
encroach upon them and try to interfere and

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take advantage of their vulnerabilities. Indeed, that did happen on some level anyway,

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But did it happen to the extremes
that some people say, Okay,

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let's leave that judgment alone. I
think all of this is fair to mention

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when we put the you know,
the the beginning, the opening, uh,

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the introduction to the book that needs
to be written about this entirety,

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right, you have to take that
into account, Larry, don't you Well,

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yeah, I think you have to
take it into account. But you

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also need you need numbers, and
you need data to go with it.

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Uh. In terms of being taken
advantage of Russia was chaotic. Russia was

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until it got to sack together production
wise. I'm not sure that you would

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consider Russia to have been poor.
I don't know that you would have considered

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in certain segments of the country.
You know that the state had been underwriting

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before that was poor because you took
the state support away. So from that

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level, segments of the country became
poor, like their space program had no

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more funding, you know. But
there were a lot of people making a

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lot of money, more money than
they had been before the oil and gas

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industry boomed. It's kind of fascinating
that that. And I even go through

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this in the book in terms of
you know, who was involved in what

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economic activity, and where the money
was made and where it wasn't. But

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I think it's a it's an illusion
to say that Russia was being hamstrung.

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Russia was actually taking advantage of its
resources immensely. It literally became one of

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the top oil and gas vendors in
the world, and you can go back

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and look at the records, and
money poured in and everybody wanted to do

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business with them. They were in
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And I think answer, but and
not only that, but part of

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the parallel here that that I think
perfectly match is with the development of the

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entirety of the Russian Federation is the
reality of the the energy business because they're

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deeply, deeply involved in you know, cooperative efforts with companies like Exxon Mobile.

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See this is where t rex you
know, t Rexon comes into play,

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right Rex Tillerson and all of his
work with Exxon Mobil and the many

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many others. But Exxon Mobil was
a huge mover there. They definitely capitalized

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on but also pumped a lot of
money into the Russian Federation technology and technologynology

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into the oil and gas industry in
Russia. But yeah, absolutely, and

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I guess this is where I kind
of I don't understand why you would you

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could say that, you know,
Europe was holding Russia hostage and encroaching somehow.

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When Russia literally had taken Europe hostage
with its oil and gas deliveries and

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then demonstrated that with a turn of
a valve they could shut it off,

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you know, if there's the next
successual thread, It's like, wait a

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minute, I just put you know, ten of the largest nations in the

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world economically at risk of my pipelines. And by the way, I've just

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demonstrated that I'm the one that has
the ability to turn them on and off.

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So who's holding who? Now Here's
the funny part is because I was

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at that time, you know,
a surrogate holding stock for my children,

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and I worked for Exxon Mobile at
the time. I saw some of these

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deals that they were letting us stockholders
know that were going on. I knew

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what was happening on that end of
it. So let's talk about that retail

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thing. And this will be the
final thing that I'm going to add here,

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and then Larry's going to lay out
the rest of the story and bring

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us up to today. Now that
we've covered plenty of history. But here's

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the reality is on the retail side. See, you're talking about Europe and

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the supply of energy to Europe,
and that's great. But there's also sort

411
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of the retail free market end of
this, that is the Russian oil and

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gas companies that turn into things like
Luke Oil. You know, by the

413
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time it gets to the United States, you got Russian companies and you know,

414
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you guys can look this up,
and by the time the early two

415
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thousands roll around, there are Russian
companies with sweetheart deals in the United States

416
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to retail gasoline, okay, and
diesel and stuff like that into places where

417
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there is no competition in the US. I'll give you a weird example about

418
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it. There's like, Okay,
in New Jersey, we have the Garden

419
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State Parkway and we have the Turnpike. All right, these are two major

420
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arteries that you know, absolutely dominate
travel in the state. The joke,

421
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even if you're from Jersey or you're
from the northeast at all, you might

422
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.159
hear, oh, yeah, I'm
from New Jersey, and somebody might snap

423
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.920
back you which exit, because the
exit of the Garden State Parkway or what

424
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.000
we call the parkway there is really
a good mind. It's a mile marker

425
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on the state and everything. It
indicates exactly what area of the state you're

426
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from, and runs north to south
of this whole tiny state of Jersey,

427
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and it's a densely populated state.
There's a lot of gas and oil to

428
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be sold, a lot of diesel
all that. Now, it's also right

429
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next to New York City, major
hub where a lot of things land,

430
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so you know, there's a lot
of people traveling through New Jersey and again

431
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.159
having to hit the oil in the
gas. There are Russian companies that held

432
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the exclusive contract to sell gas up
and down the Garden State Parkway, just

433
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.280
like the fast food chains on the
Garden State Parkway. Like you could either

434
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have a contract there or not.
You and I, Larry, even if

435
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.840
we had a billion dollars, couldn't
buy a spot on the Garden State Parkway

436
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:07.039
for a gas station or a Hamburger
joint. Okay, now, the Russians

437
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.119
didn't have anything to me, you
know. Obviously it was McDonald's and actually,

438
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:14.199
weirdly in Jersey it was roy Rogers
for a while as a fast food

439
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.639
chain that had, you know,
these exclusive contracts. But Russians had sweetheart

440
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.960
deals. Russian companies had sweetheart deals
like that in America. That's just Jersey.

441
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.199
By the way, But they had
a lot of contracts like that and

442
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:32.280
municipal contracts where Luke Oil, you
know is in some cases I guess they

443
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.039
bid for him, but in other
cases nobody knew how it happened that at

444
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.599
a time when oil and gas,
you know, suddenly had those large spikes,

445
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:45.599
when we went from the one dollar
reality of gasoline and retail to you

446
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.559
know where we are today, which
is two dollars, three dollars. Oh,

447
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:55.280
that's good that reality changed. Okay
around this time, and right around

448
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the time that we had the spike, especially the spike post nine to eleven

449
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.440
of you know, oil and gas
prices, right and after the natural disaster

450
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.960
on the East coast and all this, it was a bunch of Russian companies

451
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:14.199
that stepped in and ended up with
municipal contracts, state contracts and things like

452
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:21.320
this where they had exclusive rights to
retail distribution in certain places. I've never

453
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:25.400
seen that, you know, British
petroleum didn't get that, Okay, a

454
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.159
Dutch royal shell you know, whatever, you know, country they originated from.

455
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.280
At one point, I never saw
these you know, sort of foreign

456
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:39.880
entities ever get a contract like that. But here it is Russian companies got

457
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.880
it. It was wild. So
you know, they weren't collapsing when it

458
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:51.159
came to being able to market themselves
internationally with with with what they had in

459
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.800
abundance apparently, which was energy.
And then they then you talk about Europe,

460
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:59.440
and that's a whole separate issue,
so we're not talking about Yes,

461
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.880
there were people that were suffering because
of the changeover in the you know,

462
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.280
in the system, and a lot
of government jobs disappeared where the government kind

463
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.639
of had their hand in everything and
suddenly maybe there just was no job or

464
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.679
no check coming even if they you
know all that, right, I mean,

465
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you even remember the days of the
unemployed KGB people basically trying to sell

466
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.039
you see Larry's laughing already, pretty
much trying to sell their stories because they

467
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.239
thought that people that wrote books about
Kennedy or did documentaries were going to pay

468
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.320
them a lot of money. Uh, because they they thought somehow there was

469
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.000
a lot of money in that.
So I have KGB. I mean,

470
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these guys had, I have documents. I was a KGB guy. There

471
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.719
was probably a thousand of those guys
trying to sell their stuff because they were

472
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.960
now unemployed and there was no good
unemployment program from the government over there.

473
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:58.519
And you saw that firsthand, didn't
you. Oh, absolutely, okay,

474
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And I think for our conversation it's
interesting to note that a lot of the

475
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unemployment. So let's talk about the
money that the Soviet state was spending just

476
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:13.360
before it kind of fell apart.
A lot of that money was actually spent

477
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:19.039
spent in Ukraine for two reasons.
First of all, the Soviet state was

478
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:28.119
able to underwrite the heavy industry in
eastern Ukraine, the coal and heavy production

479
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:35.440
part. They were able to underwrite
it and pay reasonable salaries because you can

480
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.239
balance you know, production that way. And that went away, things got

481
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:45.239
rough in Eastern Ukraine. Plus,
Ukraine was the home of a lot of

482
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:54.079
the design, engineering, and production
of the most advanced Russian technologies, and

483
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:59.119
it always had been. And then
suddenly that money has gone away too.

484
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:06.199
So just when we're talking about this, it wasn't the whole the collapse of

485
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:15.639
the Soviet system and the emergence of
you know, a non state oligarchic economy

486
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.199
cutting deals should you know, at
some point in history it'll be a fascinating

487
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.239
book. I don't think it's one
you could survive writing right now because you're

488
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.760
not going to do the interviews that
would get you the right story without getting

489
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.800
yourself killed. But yeah, so
my last, my last little addition to

490
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.639
this and then I want you to
bring us to today, is that let's

491
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:42.639
also keep in mind that Ukraine was
the home of a significant nuclear stockpile,

492
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and you do have various of these, you know, formerly parts of the

493
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:52.559
Soviet Union now having to cut new
deals and make new arrangements. Indeed,

494
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:58.480
Minsk, you know, was the
home of the KGB archive that's now in

495
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.440
a country called Belarus are Belarius depending
on how you pronounce it, and that

496
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.599
is, you know, for the
most part, on the surface and independent

497
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:13.880
nation, but clearly is in close
cooperation and collaboration with the Russian Federation,

498
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:20.159
though they maintained their individuality as a
nation, right, And there were different

499
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.840
ways regardless of those Chinese exercise was
going on on the Polish border well that

500
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:29.039
too, but you know, but
either way, all of these things had

501
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.280
to come down in different ways.
So now let's go from that history and

502
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:38.079
blast me through what has actually been
going on as of late and why the

503
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.719
hell still I don't have an answer
as to why this is taking so long?

504
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.599
Two years later, so things changed, As I said, with that

505
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.719
election in Ukraine was kind of the
last straw. There were a series of

506
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:58.880
what we're called the Color Revolutions in
Georgia, Kazakistan. But again, this

507
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:06.559
transition between bringing democracy to these countries
that had been formerly Soviet republics was a

508
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:13.360
painful process for the Russian traditionalist because
what they saw in country after country and

509
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:19.320
the Color Revolution was democracy was in
and the old guard was out. And

510
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.800
that was very uncomfortable, and that
was very coomfortable for Moscow because Moscow didn't

511
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:28.239
see that coming. You know.
It's sort of like these guys were ours.

512
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.000
We assume they'll stay ours, you
know, they like us. The

513
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:37.360
old rule was, you know,
the the political decisions for all of the

514
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:43.639
republics are done locally but approved in
Moscow, you know. So that's the

515
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.119
way it ran. And when that
started changing, it made people nervous.

516
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:57.159
And actually I would say the Color
Revolutions made Moscow more nervous than anything else

517
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.679
at that point in time. And
why it was happening and why these these

518
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:08.119
democratic movements that were dangerous because they
were seeing the old guard being replaced made

519
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.559
them nervous. Well this you go
through a wave of when those happened,

520
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:19.559
and you see Moscow and Russia becoming
more and more nervous, and then you

521
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:25.719
see Ukraine emerging it as kind of
like the critical places like and Putin decides

522
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:34.360
that Moscow is not going to lose
any more elections. It's it's not it's

523
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.960
just not going to put up with
it anymore. So in Ukraine you see

524
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:45.719
a very bitter political contest between the
parties that are essentially backed democratically and all

525
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.960
in all honestry are looking towards Europe
and those that are backed by Putin and

526
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:59.199
Russia and are looking towards Moscow.
And Putin himself went to Ukraine and campaigned,

527
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:05.960
and Russian media outlets campaigned and broadcast
in Ukraine, and it really,

528
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.840
if you want to see a conflict, it really was the first stage in

529
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.559
this conflict. And Putin was absolutely
convinced that he was going to win.

530
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:21.559
And again, most people don't look
into this anymore or study it, and

531
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.119
I only did because I was forced
a way through the background in the book.

532
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.639
But that's that's where this conflict really
begins. And when Putin's people lost,

533
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:35.280
it became very personal, and I
guess Chuck's that's where I would draw

534
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:40.960
the line, because that's where we
see too geopolitics appear to change and becomes

535
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:47.000
very personal and very personal built around
Putin. Before Putin was doing outreach.

536
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.840
Now he's in defensive mode right now. One thing that's left out of this

537
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.800
all the time, just last little
element here, is that there was a

538
00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:02.840
consistent and completely coordinated pe our move
to consolidate the media and to do an

539
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:08.679
outreach on a global scale, Okay, which I can point to no one

540
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:14.639
else except Vladimir Putin here when it
comes to RT America. Uh, you

541
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.800
know, making sure that there were
English speaking Sputnik out there, all of

542
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:24.280
that stuff and putting it out there
and creating a pr campaign that slotted really

543
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:30.920
well with people that were looking for
certain things, disappointed with the leadership of

544
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.199
Barack Obama, thinking that we now
had you know, what they used to

545
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.800
call a weak sister in the White
House, even you know, here's a

546
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:43.280
real man, here's Vladimir Putin,
here's a real government, here's a good

547
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.599
guy who reorganized despite all of his
challenges. And that was all the media

548
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:53.719
hype that was produced by RT Sputnick. You know, all these days art

549
00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:00.320
America as it was, and that
was well coordinated, choreographed and well fund

550
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:07.079
state media. And interestingly, that
had really begun in Russia. The genesis

551
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:16.039
of that was the Chechen terrorist campaigns
and essentially the Chechen Revolution against Moscow and

552
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:23.400
a series of terror attacks inside Russia
that and Putin got an immense amount of

553
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:29.599
criticism from that. You notice,
these days, terror attaxes happened in Russia

554
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:34.000
and nobody blinks. But in those
days, at that point in time,

555
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:39.840
Putin clearly decided that he had to
essentially take control of the media. He

556
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:46.280
was not going to expose himself to
being challenged by Russian media. And that's

557
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:51.920
when Russian media began to be consolidated, and they did in a very simple

558
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:55.639
fashion. All they really had to
do was let his friends, the oligarchs,

559
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:00.920
buy the media's outlets and suddenly,
you know, things changed. But

560
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:07.119
so absolutely right, chuck that.
But again, it's fascinating that that started

561
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:15.280
literally because Putin was pushed into a
defensive position about things that were happening internally.

562
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:22.000
Whenever he is pushed defensively, he
responds. The system doesn't respond,

563
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:29.239
he responds, right, And look, the consolidation methodology is almost a perfect,

564
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:34.360
you know, carbon copy of what
he did regarding the energy consolidation.

565
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.000
Right, it's the same thing.
Let me bring my friends in, they'll

566
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:42.119
do the right thing because them doing
the right thing by me is doing the

567
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:49.400
right thing by themselves. This is
a you know, a self perpetuating circumstance

568
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.239
that all I have to do is
put the right people in place at press

569
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:57.360
play. Here we go. So
I mean, am I wrong about that?

570
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.920
Or am I oversimplifying? Now?
No, that was consolidation. If

571
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.360
you if you think about it,
consolidation is always a defensive strategy. Yes,

572
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:15.800
I mean, it's mergers, consolidations, acquisitions. They're in business,

573
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.519
you know, that's you can expand
two ways. You can you can truly

574
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:25.280
expand with new outlets and new venues
and new whatever. But the other way

575
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:30.239
is to consolidate. And that's that
was what happened in the goil and gas

576
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:36.320
industry. That's what happened in the
media. So yeah, I would say,

577
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.840
you're absolutely right, Chuck. Okay, So how do we get to

578
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:44.320
today though, because this is a
new circumstance to me, go ahead,

579
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.719
well, and that that's what is
striking to me, and that is what

580
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.480
is most concerned to me, because
if you look at where Russia was,

581
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:58.480
and we're putting himself was when we
started this dialogue like outreach to the West,

582
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:04.239
making tons and tons of money off
energy sales to the West. You

583
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.119
know, as far as Russia is
a nation is concerned, that was a

584
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.760
sweet spot. I mean that was
really the deep place. You know,

585
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:17.400
Russia has the second largest military at
that point in time in the world.

586
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:23.719
Uh, Russia is raking in oil
and gas money at high prices and high

587
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:30.440
margins and growing that market. Russia
is, you know, very involved in

588
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:36.800
the international space. You know,
Russia is a real player. But then

589
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.559
if you compare that to now,
you know, in the same world you

590
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.519
would be looking to continue that right, expand markets, make more money,

591
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:52.000
make more friends. Just the opposite
has occurred. Yeah, they still is

592
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.840
selling a lot of oil and gas, yeah, to India and China at

593
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:05.719
virtually nothing in terms of money.
Their military has largely been destroyed. At

594
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.760
the point in time, we see
trains of T fifty four tanks going to

595
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:15.599
Ukraine. These are early fifties er
tanks. Their office of corp has been

596
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:22.119
decimated. None of this is good
for the nation. Nobody in the world

597
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:30.960
could think it's good for the nation, and essentially that's been a personal decision.

598
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:38.000
Putin made a personal decision based on
bad advice to essentially do what he

599
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:45.159
did in Georgia in a couple of
the other former Soviets republics, in a

600
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:52.519
hybrid warfare deniable warfare, moved essentially
to take control of Ukraine again. I

601
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:59.719
think the most fascinating thing that we
saw when the special military operation kicked off

602
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:05.480
was a copy of a newspaper article
that had been written assuming that Kiev would

603
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:10.400
be taken in twenty four hours and
how Kiev, how Ukraine would fit into

604
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.480
the Russian federal system. You know, he made a mistake, There was

605
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:21.679
a mistake made, but Putin never
ever, what's what would need a good

606
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.639
pray? If you make one mistake, he doubles down. He's that kind

607
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.039
of card player, and he's still
doubling down. And this is what scares

608
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.760
me about the whole situation, because
assuming that there is a settlement in Ukraine,

609
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:45.679
what Russia will inherit are isn't an
economic area in eastern Ukraine which is

610
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.400
devastated. The only way that they
have made any advances is to literally destroy

611
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:57.000
town after town, city after city, demolishing it with our you know,

612
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:04.079
it will be economically pressed area that
would require tons and tons of money to

613
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:08.199
redevelop, to d mind if anything, for construction. Russia doesn't have that

614
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:14.000
money and Russia doesn't have that manpower, So he's going to bring in North

615
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:20.639
Korean construction people. I mean if
in the long span of history, it

616
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:27.480
makes no sense geopolitically, but there
doesn't seem to be any out really,

617
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.920
and when you listen to some of
the Russian commentators, it's just getting worse

618
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:38.760
and worse. So I guess I
guess that's what we can assess. You

619
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:45.599
know, I can certainly assess the
battlefield situation. But geopolitically, this whole

620
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:52.679
the last two years has been bad
for Russia and there is no sign of

621
00:52:52.719 --> 00:53:00.159
it getting better for Russia. He
can't. He's the best estimates are certainly

622
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:08.679
over one hundred thousand Russian troops killed
twice that three times that injured or wounded,

623
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.639
which again are the ones that they
went back. You're gonna have to

624
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:19.880
pay for them. It's just it
makes no sense. And I always when

625
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.199
I look back at history, I
hate situations that where there is there's no

626
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:29.800
sense. There's no economic sense,
there's no real political sense. It all

627
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.280
appears to get really personal, which
is what it appears to be now with

628
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:39.480
Putin and his leadership is really personal. They can't they can't extricate themselves,

629
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.840
and that's dangerous. Right now,
I've got a couple of stupid questions for

630
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.360
you, okay, So can you
bear with me on just like two stupid

631
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:55.559
questions? I can handle it all
right, Cool? How is there anything

632
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:02.079
left of you know, some of
these tested parts of Ukraine? Because I'm

633
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:07.960
just you know, doing the calculations
in my mind. How many buildings can

634
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:10.679
be blown up before there's nothing left? How many you know what I'm saying,

635
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:15.320
Like it seems to me like over
the course of two years, if

636
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:23.199
you're constantly engaged, the level of
destruction means that there's nothing left, okay,

637
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:28.760
of some of these areas. So
what I guess you partially answered this,

638
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:34.119
but I mean, what is there
to gain outside of territory unless he

639
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:38.639
actually inherits the entirety of the nation, it begets a full surrender, which

640
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:44.320
apparently is not the case. That's
not going to occur under any circumstance.

641
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:50.840
And well, yeah, the most
valuable stuff. If you follow the military

642
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:57.280
reports, he keeps hearing reports of
well this strong point, and that strong

643
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:01.519
point was a manufacturing plant, an
aggregate plant, a materials plant, a

644
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:08.800
coal mine. Those were the strategic
areas that the Ukrainians held in the East

645
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:15.599
and are either still fighting over or
they got driven out by Russia completely destroying

646
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:22.199
them. So all of the all
of the most valuable factories and most of

647
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:29.079
the most valuable resources that the infrastructure
to produce them have been destroyed. So

648
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:35.519
you would have to rebuild that.
And if if Eastern Ukraine was an industrial

649
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:40.119
complex that was worthwhile, then Russia
destroyed it in taking it, and it

650
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.800
would only be of value if they
rebuilt it in it And quite frankly,

651
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:50.800
much of it was heavy industry.
And the real question is what is that

652
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:55.880
heavy real heavy industry useful for anymore? Uh, It's it's real. It's

653
00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.840
useful if you're going to drive a
growing consumer economy, which is the last

654
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:05.519
thing that Russia is going to have, right, Okay, So there's that

655
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.920
question. So no, I don't
see they haven't gained anything that they can

656
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:15.599
immediately turn around to use for you
know, revenue generation or resource generation.

657
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:22.079
It's a burden if it's anything.
So if we also take the positions of

658
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:29.840
Vladimir Putin and the Russian government at
face value, are we in danger at

659
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:36.159
this point of literally because of US
support to Ukraine? Are we actually in

660
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:40.800
danger of a direct conflict as opposed
to what we're dealing with now, which

661
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.559
is, you know, the shipment
of resources to Ukraine from US in the

662
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.760
West, one way or another,
whether it's the United States directly. You

663
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.000
know, the arguments over how many
billions of dollars of assets have been shifted

664
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:58.119
over et cetera. Is there a
danger here though, and I mean because

665
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:02.719
there's been threats, counter threats,
positions, there is no danger there if

666
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:10.920
if Russia that's my second stupid class
badly yes, sorry, in this conflict

667
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:17.840
all throughout the entire scope of its
military force, that there's just no way

668
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:28.320
there's a conventional threat now unless somebody
goes absolutely insane and goes nuclear, which

669
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:35.480
is another story entirely, But there's
no risk of a conventional threat. If

670
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:42.639
Putin did something to trigger Article fifteen, NATO would roll over Russia and Russia

671
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:46.000
would you know in Ukraine, which
is what has been said, would happen.

672
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:51.039
It's sort of like we will if
you use nuclear tactical nukes there,

673
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.199
then we will just eliminate your forces
in Ukraine if you kept it at that

674
00:57:54.320 --> 00:58:00.079
level. No, there's no risk
because they can't go head to head with

675
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.679
any of the Western military powers at
this point in time. They did that

676
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:14.119
to themselves. I think what is
more more risky. It's not so much

677
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:22.679
for the West. It's actually risky
for Russia to subjugate itself to China or

678
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:29.519
in North Korea. The risk at
this point in time is Russia moving itself

679
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:36.440
down to a almost like a second
tier world power. Other than the fact

680
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:43.000
that it has nukes, you know
that this is not the Russia that there

681
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:47.760
used to be. So there's a
real ongoing risk for Russia to lose the

682
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:54.960
position that it had by making these
agreements. I was not joking about.

683
00:58:55.280 --> 00:59:02.599
Wait a minute, what since who
is winning by Chinese troops doing military exercises

684
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:09.239
in Bella russ Is that what Moscow
would have wanted? I don't think so

685
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.119
well. I guess yeah. The
last wide open question then, and then

686
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.239
I'm gonna have to let you go
because I've kept you just about a solid

687
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:21.840
hour now. And that's what I
allotted for this discussion. And believe me,

688
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:24.199
we could talk about this for hours. But the last thing I guess

689
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:28.079
I have to ask, which is
one of those things that you know,

690
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:31.519
when people finally clear their heads from
all the domestic you know, clown shows

691
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:37.199
that are happening. You know,
even OURFK Junior allegedly is going to get

692
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.239
Secret Service protection now too. But
we'll discuss that in the next hour.

693
00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:44.760
And I'm gonna let you off the
hook on that, Larry, but I'm

694
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.519
gonna put you on the hook for
this one. Do we have a legitimate

695
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:53.559
worry though, that there could be
either an escalation out of desperation or for

696
00:59:53.639 --> 01:00:01.679
some other purpose, that we suddenly
do see nuclear weapons on the table in

697
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:08.119
the theater actually occur here? And
what about a straight up conflict that way,

698
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:14.320
because if we have you know,
nuclear elements, nuclear assets being not

699
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.000
just deployed because I heard what a
year and a half ago they were being

700
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:23.639
deployed, but what about if they
are actually in use? Could that are

701
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:28.320
we in risk at a risk of
having something like that happen? Now We're

702
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:31.039
not. We're going to fall back. Actually, we're falling back into the

703
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:37.159
Cold War, right, you all
remember that, and what was the hallmark

704
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.159
of the co War? Everybody we
had nukes, they had nukes. Nobody

705
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:46.320
used nukes, mutual assured discurrance.
But deniable warfare and hybrid warfare are going

706
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:52.760
to become the order of the day. This week NATO is meeting because several

707
01:00:53.079 --> 01:01:01.000
NATO nations have seen increasing examples of
Russian sponsored hybrid warfare. Or there's cyber

708
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:08.559
warfare, aspionade, subversion, blowing
up factories, and that's that's what you

709
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:13.360
would almost predict because Putin was really
good at that and you and I have

710
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:17.840
talked about that, Chuck, before
that, before before he went over military,

711
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.440
he was a great tactician and was
using hybrid warfare very skillfully. Right,

712
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:28.920
for whatever reason, he has decided
that that's now what he's He did

713
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.559
it in Eastern Europe, before,
he did it in Africa, before he

714
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:36.800
did it in the Middle East,
before in Syria. Now he's decided that

715
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:40.159
he's going to do it in Europe, and so Europe is going to respond.

716
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:46.280
So what he is going to do
is that they're going to respond to

717
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:52.360
hybrid warfare, just as they've responded, you know, upping their military budgets,

718
01:01:52.440 --> 01:02:00.199
conventional budgets Europe. He has prompted
Europe to do what Europe wasn't going

719
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:06.840
to do before, which was spent
money on its own conventional defense and move

720
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.880
to hybrid warfare. So no,
I don't say the risk is on the

721
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:16.519
on the atomic side. I see
it as us falling all the way back

722
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:23.480
into the deniable and hybrid warfare of
the cod war. Well, Larry,

723
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.880
before the end of the year,
you and I are going to have to

724
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:32.119
talk about assassinations and assassination attempts.
But tonight we didn't touch on that or

725
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:36.519
even the you know, some of
the odd things that were floated out there

726
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.280
that you know, he's ill.
That was a weird thing that was going

727
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:45.320
on. Now nobody's talking about the
health of that president anyway. Nobody's talking

728
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:52.280
about the you know, the the
overall mental stability of that president any longer.

729
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:57.400
But indeed, there is something to
still keep an eye on there,

730
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.920
because I think there's still the potential
for things to get out of hand,

731
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:06.519
to really go much further. I
mean, it is unfortunate and horrible for

732
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:10.199
the people, you know that were
just living their lives in Ukraine that weren't

733
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:16.400
involved in Nazism or that didn't have
you know, a dog in the fight

734
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:22.760
regarding Russia or Russian ethnicity, etc. Who were just you know, trying

735
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.360
to live their lives, who have
also been affected by this, which bothers

736
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:30.679
me the most. But here we
are the thing that nobody's even discussing,

737
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:35.320
even though it's well past the two
year marks. So anything you want to

738
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.480
say in closing here, Larry and
I would advise in closing for you guys

739
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.559
to read anything that says it was
written by Larry Hancock. I'm looking very

740
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:47.639
much forward to the Puzzle Pieces of
Lee Harvey Oswald, although that's not the

741
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:52.840
proper title. Something like that though, coming up before the end of the

742
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.920
year, hopefully, and we'll just
have to see which publisher will release it.

743
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.480
It'll be nice to see. But
in the meantime, plenty of stuff

744
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.519
out there for you to catch up
with, including one of the books that

745
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:09.800
would be way relevant to tonight's discussion, creating Chaos, uh, but many

746
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:15.079
other books by Larry Hancock. I
advise, and certainly you know tell you

747
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:19.800
that I recommend all of them,
every last one, even if you get

748
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:24.679
the old version of something used.
It's great but the books on Amazon,

749
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:28.039
the books you can get from Priftbooks, the books on eBay, wherever you

750
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.960
can get stuff written by Larry Hancock, you should. And you can go

751
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:36.840
to Larry dash Handcock or Larry Hypenhancock
dot com, Larry Dashandcock dot com there

752
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:41.519
see his blog as books and everything, but anything you want to say in

753
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:45.559
closing, Larry, Now, I
think that pretty I do. I really

754
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:50.119
do wish that people would read Creating
Chaos, not because I'm interested in selling

755
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:57.440
books, but because this whole discussion
of Ukraine and Russia and current day geopolitics

756
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:02.000
in Europe is being carried out out
without the history that it needs. It's

757
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:08.000
like suddenly and it's recent history.
It's like the last decade. You know,

758
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.920
wait a minute, we suddenly forgotten
the last decade. So that would

759
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.440
be my only plea is that people
that want to discuss the subject really need

760
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:20.039
to have at least some not ancient
history, but some recent history. Yeah,

761
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.960
relatively, you know, the post
you know, post millennium history.

762
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.880
Even right we're not even talking about, you know, the history of the

763
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.559
twentieth century. We're talking I mean, although that's relevant. Like we talked

764
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.519
about his rise to power and all
that, which is very relevant in this

765
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:39.000
discussion. But still, you could
just look at the stuff post nine to

766
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:43.159
eleven if you like, and see
the reactions and the way things changed.

767
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:49.000
I mean, at one point Russia
was reacting along with the anti terrorist agendas

768
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:54.400
of other nations. There was cooperation
here. I think all that's been forgotten

769
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:59.280
in the you've been with Sato.
Yeah, I mean that like mutual exercises,

770
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:01.960
sharing them from you know, like
if you just showed up, you

771
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:06.400
would be going what yeah, now
that that would be my last note.

772
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:11.559
I've enjoyed it. Chuck. There
you go. So again, Larry Dashhancock

773
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:15.840
dot com, go there and again. I highly recommend every book that Larry's

774
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.079
written, even if he co wrote
it with Stu Wexler, which, by

775
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:21.559
the way, I really think I
need to have another discussion with Stu Wexler

776
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:27.239
again soon based on recent current events. Larry, Oh, I think he

777
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:32.159
might have something to say. But
yeah, so you know, if you

778
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:35.000
do talk to Stu, do me
a favor and tell him that I'm very

779
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:40.159
interested in talking to him about recent
current events if you don't mind. But

780
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:43.400
other than that, you guys listening, I really hope that you got something

781
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.000
out of this. It's a unique
perspective, and Larry with his very measured

782
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:56.960
and well researched understanding of these sorts
of geopolitical events and characters creating chaos.

783
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.960
Obviously I highly recommend it along with
Larry's books. But and you know what,

784
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.920
there's some interesting pieces in a few
of the other ones. Shadow Warfare

785
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:10.960
might provide some context to this discussion, just saying, would you agree with

786
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:14.079
that, Larry? Yeah, because, like I said, we're going back

787
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.400
to the co War, so you
might as well refresh your memory. Yeah.

788
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:20.519
Yeah, you're gonna have to.
Unfortunately, as as the world turns,

789
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:24.039
so to speak. Anyway, in
the next hour, I'll be talking

790
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:28.480
to Pierce Redmand Larry Hancock. Thank
you once again, and hopefully we'll get

791
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.480
together in another two weeks and there
won't be anything crazy happening. Sound like

792
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:38.719
a plan that would be good,
excellent, So hopefully the world won't be

793
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:42.480
crazy and we'll just be talking about
the Oswald book next time, which,

794
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.960
by the way, what is the
proper title of that book before I sign

795
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.880
off? The Oswald Puzzle? The
Oswald Puzzle, that's what I keep thinking,

796
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:55.000
Oswald puzzle pieces. But the Oswald
puzzle coming hopefully before the end of

797
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.280
the year, right, Larry,
certainly, I hope so, Okay,

798
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.679
well, we'll we'll definitely keep be
informed about it and talk about Lancer coming

799
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:05.400
up in November in the coming weeks. Uh. In the meantime, stick

800
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:09.679
around, I am merely O'Kelly.
All of you are indeed the effect we

801
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:13.079
got one more hour on this Wednesday. You might want to hear it.

802
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.800
Go ahead, call it the truth
about the day of a assassination? Right,

803
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:24.800
well, what do you want to
know? Dy Baker's wild claim Oswald

804
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:28.560
girlfriends he knew? Ruby and Barry
answer weapons. Really, I imagine I

805
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.279
could claim I have four wheels.
It doesn't make me a wagon. But

806
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.119
okay, was on the building and
I'm trying to prevent the murder of John

807
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.840
Kennedy. Come on now, has
a real effort on the day of hey

808
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:44.000
assassination, flaim. Go to Amazon
dot com enter Judith Baker in her own

809
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.920
words. You'll get the results for
a digital copy of a book where Walt

810
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:53.079
Brown utilizes her own words and the
known evidence in the case to get at

811
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:57.760
well a different perspective. Let's say
you can get Judith Barry Baker in her

812
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:01.800
own words from the author himself,
signed if you request it by contacting doctor

813
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:08.119
Brown at ki as jfk at aol
dot com. It's a fun book and

814
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:14.159
it actually dissects the many, many
fantastic claims Judith Barry Baker in her own

815
01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:25.439
words Radio in Denial The Secret Wars
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Secret wars became a staple of US
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817
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Larry Hancock's book In Denial rips the
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818
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819
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ever written about before. It shows
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820
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States did not learn from it.
It also shows why other countries today are

821
01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:51.920
doing secret operations with more success.
This is the book that puts what some

822
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:59.000
want to deny into the light.
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823
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829
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830
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831
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War State by Michael Swanson explains the
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833
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the care Unity presidency in the context
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834
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:09.399
information about the Cuban missile crisis.
President Kennedy would not have been assassinated if

835
01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:13.640
he had been president two hundred years
ago. His assassination took place in the

836
01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.720
context of the Cold War and the
rise of the national security state. Before

837
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:20.880
World War II, the United States
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838
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that followed, it became an imperial
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839
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only wanted to invade Cuba, but
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840
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the island arn't with nuclear warheads that
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841
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mobile launchers. Their invasion could have
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842
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they wanted to go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson reveals

843
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why and will show you what President
Kennedy was up against. For more information,

844
01:11:47.000 --> 01:12:04.479
the Warstate dot com, Oh Chili
dot com again ready for segment number

845
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:10.239
two of the o'cell Effect. And
we haven't done a second guest in a

846
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:14.479
while. We've only been doing one. But you know what, I had

847
01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:19.359
a miss que last night, so
I thought it perfect to have the opportunity

848
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:25.119
to bring on two individuals that I
can actually have a conversation with, and

849
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.720
you know, one of them being
somebody that I have a constant discussion with

850
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.319
about geopolitics, and the other one
I used to talk to all the time.

851
01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:40.319
But he's been kind of busy and
hasn't been doing a show as far

852
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:45.000
as I know. I haven't seen
new podcasts from him. I haven't seen

853
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:46.800
a lot of stuff from him.
I'm not picking on him. I'm just

854
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:51.319
saying he's been kind of quiet for
a while, maybe with good reason,

855
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:57.159
and maybe we'll find out why,
maybe we won't. Either way, sometimes

856
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:00.359
life gets in the way. But
I'm really really happy to have Pierce Redmond

857
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:05.079
with me Porkin's Policy Review. Of
course I used to produce that show for

858
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:11.800
a little bit also have been on
the same network as Pierce. I still

859
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:16.199
love the fact that it was Sybelle
Edmunds who introduced us a long time ago,

860
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.279
because it was kind of a weird
thing, like, here's this guy,

861
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:26.399
Pierce Redmond, and I went okay, and just sort of familiarized myself

862
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:29.800
in about five minutes with him and
went, huh, this guy's different,

863
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.600
And no, I love it.
And you know what, I don't even

864
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:41.720
have your your alleged vocal doppelganger on
any longer. And it's not not because

865
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.319
we don't talk or anything, but
he doesn't have time for me lately,

866
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:48.640
so you know, you won't be
confused with anybody else's voice. But Porkins

867
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:53.920
Policy Review dot com is still a
website, right, It is still website.

868
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.479
I just typed it in just to
make sure that it was still a

869
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:02.239
website. Think's going to check paid, But yes, Workin's Policy Review dot

870
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:05.880
com is still my website. Will
just also just thank you Chuck for having

871
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:09.920
me back on. I know it's
been quite a while. I you know

872
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:13.840
we were I was talking too close
to the microphone before we went live,

873
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:16.520
you know, I had to reinstall
Skype. But yes, it is.

874
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.560
It is still a website. Yeah, there's some old, old stuff on

875
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.680
there, a lot of these links. I was just clicking through, you

876
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:27.680
know, some of the various sites
to follow that I have on the side,

877
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.479
and they're just there. There are
some strange ones up there. Yeah,

878
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.960
so I might have to update this
at some point. Yeah, and

879
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:38.119
you know, there might be you
know, old interviews on there between you

880
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.479
and I. There, there might
be it's funny saying like, oh,

881
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.319
does the website still work? It
does, but I will say that on

882
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:47.520
the you know, on the side
of the page where it's the sites to

883
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:51.640
follow, it seems like almost all
of these don't exist anymore. I'm just

884
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:57.439
clicking through so many of them and
they're all you know, the like bitdefender

885
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.079
is warning me not to visit it, or it doesn't exist, or you

886
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.960
know, it's been taken over by
you know, sometimes when you click on

887
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:05.720
something and it, you know,
it sends you to some sort of weird

888
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:11.439
Chinese furniture store or something like that
that's bought the domain. So yeah,

889
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:14.760
there's a lot of there's a lot
of stuff there, but all my shows

890
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:17.920
are still there and available people wants. You can still see the shows.

891
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:23.520
The really cool piece of artwork where
you know, Pierce Redmond is still in

892
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:28.880
the cartoon, outfitted in the uh
you know, in the Star Wars gear

893
01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:32.960
and all of that. Anyway,
it is good to talk to you,

894
01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:38.359
man. We we have discussed everything
from you know, South Park to conspiracy

895
01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:42.800
culture, uh, you know,
over the years, and I'm really glad

896
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:47.880
that we have and frankly, given
what occurred this past Saturday, yes,

897
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:54.079
I sat back and said to myself, oh, dear God, I don't

898
01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:59.159
even know who I'm going to discuss
this with. I I know I'm going

899
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.600
to do some solo shows where I
just sort of discussed and think out loud

900
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:08.279
about it. But I need to
take a minute here, because you know,

901
01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.399
it was not something other people were
telling me for about the past eight

902
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:17.640
years that there was going to be
an assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Matter

903
01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:24.760
of fact, about in twenty sixteen
or seventeen, somewhere in there, it

904
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:32.760
was intense rumor that there was a
plot in motion against Trump, that there

905
01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:41.000
would be this grand plot that was
only in part going to feature an assassination

906
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:45.920
attempt against Trump, which was meant
to succeed, and there might even be

907
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.560
I mean, there was something out
there. I think there was a guy

908
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:53.600
named George Webb or something that was
like saying that, I assume he's probably

909
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:57.439
still out there. I think so
people into you know, following him.

910
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:02.239
There's going to be nukes set off
on the Mexican border, and Trump is

911
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.119
going to be you know, they're
gonna try and kill him or they are,

912
01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:09.079
Yep, they might. And then
some other guy ran with it said

913
01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:15.920
they were going to replace him with
a doppelganger. Okay, I mean wild

914
01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:20.199
it was. It was so bizarre
to me that when he was first,

915
01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:29.119
you know, selected, that he
became the trojan horse for conspiracy culture.

916
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:34.239
And what do I mean by that? That other ideas were riding inside of

917
01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:41.560
what used to be conspiracy culture and
he he covered all bases. He had

918
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:45.640
stuff riding on the horse in the
horse, and he was the horse,

919
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:49.039
okay, because he was out there
dropping hints. You know he's gonna People

920
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:54.239
are telling me he's gonna talk to
RFK Junior, and he did recently and

921
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.680
the call leaked and I don't even
know if he caught up with that.

922
01:17:56.840 --> 01:17:59.640
But anyway, he's going to talk
to him, and you know what,

923
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.960
they're going to finally do something about
you and I don't necessarily agree on this,

924
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:09.039
but they're going to finally do something
about the toxicity of vaccines. And

925
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:13.119
he's going to bring in RFK Junior
to advise him. And you know what,

926
01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:16.039
when twenty seventeen comes, Chuck,
and you've been waiting for twenty five

927
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:20.720
years now for these JFK documents to
get released, Trump's going to release them

928
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:25.399
all. And he's going to release
more stuff because he wants the truth out

929
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:30.960
there. And then I had other
people in conspiracy culture telling me Trump wants

930
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:34.279
the truth about nine to eleven in
public hands. He's going to make sure

931
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:40.560
that we get all the information from
the dancing Israelis onward. Listen to him.

932
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:44.279
He's talking about people dancing in the
street in Jersey City, which by

933
01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:47.039
the way, I was in Jersey
City around that time and didn't happen.

934
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.920
But anyway, you know, he's
going to do all this. Man,

935
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:58.720
he's going to do that, and
he's going to reveal all of the pedos

936
01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:03.199
and all of the criminals, and
oh, by the way Barack Obama just

937
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:09.039
got arrested for cocaine trafficking. And
this was the kind of talk. I

938
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:14.000
mean, this is seriously the kind
of discussions I was having. Not discussions,

939
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.800
really, but this is the kind
of stuff that you discussion. We're

940
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:20.720
saying to me, we're messaging me, we're telling me, you got to

941
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:28.039
get on board because this is actually
your guy. And you know what if

942
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:30.600
you get And here's the other weird
thing. In twenty fifteen, I was

943
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:35.760
offered money and I was offered extra
support, and all I would have to

944
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:42.000
do is be part of the all
media wave that was going to be on

945
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:46.880
the Trump train. This was our
guy. This was finally our guy in

946
01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:51.199
the conspiracy world in the you know
what, you don't believe the government works

947
01:19:51.239 --> 01:19:56.399
the right way. He's actually going
to go in there and simplify it and

948
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:01.079
fix it. This is what people
were telling me. And there's money available

949
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:06.800
for you if you get on board. There's successful ways for you to get

950
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:12.720
on board. Roger Stone is listening
to you, man, even though he's

951
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:15.039
he was in the campaign and he's
out of the campaign. Roger Stone and

952
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:17.520
that's why he used to play that
clip, I'm a big fan of your

953
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:20.199
show. No, he wasn't,
and he didn't listen to the show either.

954
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.680
What he had is somebody else listened
to it and hand him notes on

955
01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:28.680
my show, I was one of
those shows. Of course, they went

956
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:30.399
with Alex Jones, and well you
can see how that turned out. But

957
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:35.640
anyway, but Jones, you know, immediately after Saturday's events, went live

958
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:41.960
with an emergency broadcast, even though
he's been bankrupted, and they picked up

959
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:46.960
me see where I watched some not
the live one with Jones, but I

960
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:54.760
saw him on and I can't stand
him Tim Dillon's show, And where was

961
01:20:55.279 --> 01:21:00.800
Alex? It looked like he was
out in some you know fields where he's

962
01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:04.840
like drinking liquor, just straight out
of the bottle. Is that where he

963
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:09.119
like? Is this where he does
his show? Now? I don't know

964
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:11.680
if you've seen these. No,
he's got a he's still got the studio

965
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:15.000
as far as I know. Okay, I know there's been and by the

966
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:16.159
way, that dropped out of the
headlines. By the way, folks,

967
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:19.960
you notice there's no big news reporting
on that. Now. Where he was,

968
01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:25.039
you know, with his bankruptcy claim
and they rejected it and this and

969
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:28.600
that and it's personal and now he's
got to sell his ranch. And okay,

970
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:30.279
maybe that's where he was. He
was in his ranch. Let's not

971
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:35.039
let's not get sidetracked into aj because
I'm doing all this to set something up,

972
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:41.199
Pierce, and because I want to
hear from you and get your thoughts.

973
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:44.199
I mean, I can tell you
what mine were. The only thing

974
01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:47.960
I did is I joined a roundtable
discussion that night to go on and say,

975
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:54.800
look, initially, here's what I
see. And I had some practically

976
01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:59.600
you know, people weren't too thrilled
because I had some practical objections to what

977
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.359
I was And I'm not screaming that
it's being staged. I'm not the it's

978
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:09.079
staged guy. Okay, I'm sorry, but I don't think it was staged.

979
01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:13.279
What I think happened I'll get to
before we're done, but I want

980
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:15.399
to hear from you, Piers.
Do I think this was faked? Do

981
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:20.039
I think it was cgid? Do
I think somebody applied blood to Trump's face?

982
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:24.960
No? No, no, no, not at all. What I

983
01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:30.439
do believe is that what has been
staged is the complete collapse and perfect timing

984
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:38.600
of not only Joe Biden publicly,
but also all the legal cases doing exactly

985
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:44.239
what I said they would do,
which is evaporate, get undermined, and

986
01:22:44.319 --> 01:22:47.000
get destroyed bit by bit. So
whether you were screaming that he was being

987
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:51.520
persecuted by the system, the persecution
wasn't going to stick. Or if you

988
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:55.319
were on the side of now he's
a convicted pelle and he's going down,

989
01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:59.800
he's going to prison, and you
were looking to celebrate, you were all

990
01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:03.840
going to be disappointed because what was
going to happen here is what is happening,

991
01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:11.079
which is that whether it is correct
or incorrect or whatever somewhere in between,

992
01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:15.000
doesn't matter. It's not going to
stick to Donald Trump because he's not

993
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:17.359
one of the people that would pay
a penalty. Whether he did something wrong

994
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:23.359
or not is actually irrelevant. Now
we have the dismissal of the document's case.

995
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:28.800
All of these things were pre arranged. This is nothing more than a

996
01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:31.600
way for him to garner more support
as a martyr. He is fighting the

997
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:36.079
system. And now for some people
they will say the deep state took a

998
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:41.159
shot at him. Here's the problem, okay, and this is the last

999
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:43.760
thing I'm gonna say about it.
And then I want to get your open

1000
01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:47.680
view, Pierce, if the Deep
State was taking a shot at him,

1001
01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:56.239
they wouldn't have went out and got
just the typical school shooter guy Okay with

1002
01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:00.680
a rifle and buying his ladder at
home depot just before where he goes in,

1003
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:04.640
because apparently he purchased some five foot
ladder at home depot and climbed the

1004
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:09.000
ladder and you know, got ignored
by the cops. And I'll tell you

1005
01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:13.920
this serious. Why why in the
world the head of the Secret Service has

1006
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:20.520
not been asked to resign is a
question for Joe Biden for sure. But

1007
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:24.479
but here's the thing. If you're
the deep State, you don't hire this

1008
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:29.840
guy Okay that that apparently, you
know, was responded to immediately by the

1009
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:35.279
anti assault team that did not survive, that did take a shot at Donald

1010
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:41.680
Trump. Now, is this completely
organic? Yeah, it kind of looks

1011
01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:45.119
that way. But but maybe I'm
not done with it. Maybe I'm not

1012
01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:48.680
done with it, and maybe there's
more to say. Anyway, Pierce,

1013
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:56.880
you get the news that there's been
an assassination attempt against Donald Trump, your

1014
01:24:56.960 --> 01:25:01.800
first inclination, I'm willing to guarantee
to check and see if it's as fake

1015
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:06.640
as the reaction that came out later, which was they've actually arrested the shooter.

1016
01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:11.359
He's a member of Antifa. He
said on Facebook that there's going to

1017
01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:15.720
be justice, and that was BS
and I knew that the second somebody pulled

1018
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:18.920
it out on that roundtable show I
joined on Saturday night, where I went,

1019
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:24.439
yeah, that's garbage. I'll tell
you that immediately because Antifa, there's

1020
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:28.920
your clue that this is garbage.
No Antifa member was taken a shot at

1021
01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:33.159
Trump, which, by the way, noticed Antifa hasn't been around. I

1022
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:36.079
think somebody, you know, stopped
sending out the checks, you know,

1023
01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:41.359
from the government agency that was,
you know, actually supporting Antifa, So

1024
01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:46.800
I think they no longer exist because
there's no work for those actors. Okay,

1025
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:51.479
is there a real Antifa? Yes, but it's not what the media,

1026
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:56.199
the government, or anybody's told you
it was. Anyway, point is,

1027
01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.920
what was your reaction after is this
fake? Because I know that had

1028
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:03.359
to be first pierced. What was
Yeah, first one was is this fake?

1029
01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:10.279
Then I guess I guess my my
reaction, Well, first was just

1030
01:26:10.399 --> 01:26:14.279
sort of shock, obviously because you
think, like I mean, obviously I've

1031
01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:21.560
never you were shocked I was shocked
in the sense that I've never personally lived

1032
01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:29.600
through a assassination attempt on a president. You know, I missed Reagan's you

1033
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:32.479
were alive, that's right, you're
younger. Yeah, so that well,

1034
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:36.840
I guess when was Reagan? When
was that eighty one? I think one?

1035
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:41.000
So yeah, that went seven years
before I was even you know,

1036
01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:45.479
uh, you know, a twinkle
in my parent's eye. So I missed

1037
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:53.039
this one. So I've never experienced
this sort of bizarre feeling of because you

1038
01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.960
know, I think that it's fair
to say and you see this because obviously

1039
01:26:56.399 --> 01:27:00.720
all these people, you know,
Tenacious D and others are people have thought

1040
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:02.960
about it, you know, or
they're they're or they're like they're they're talking

1041
01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:06.600
about it, they're thinking about it. But I think there's one thing to

1042
01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:11.159
think about, Oh my god,
like what if this happened, right,

1043
01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:14.119
you know, or what if someone
takes a shot and then for it to

1044
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:17.760
actually happen. So yeah, my
initial reaction past shock, was then is

1045
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:23.159
this fake or is this I mean
yeah, My first thing too was then

1046
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:29.600
to excuse me to look at the
footage. And I will say, and

1047
01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:34.439
I hate I hate even sort of
thinking or talking like this, But I

1048
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:40.199
gotta say, and those watching Trump
talking and then holding his ear and then

1049
01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:45.560
falling down, Me and Amy were
just sat there thinking like, are these

1050
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.319
all crisis actors? You know,
and and sort of tongue in cheek because

1051
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:53.319
that's always the you know, that's
right, that used to be the thing.

1052
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:57.600
It was always this is all fake. Nobody reacts like this during a

1053
01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:01.159
shooting, you know, like Sandy
and others like that. And I mean,

1054
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:06.279
I don't know anyone out there that
says that that's actually been in a

1055
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:13.000
situation like that, but I will
say the behavior of many of the people

1056
01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:17.680
in the crowd made me sort of
raise an eyebrow. And then of course,

1057
01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:23.039
so just the reaction of the Secret
Service, why they were just sort

1058
01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:27.000
of huddled around him. Let me
ask you, okay, let me stop

1059
01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:29.279
you just for a second, because
you're bringing up some points that I want

1060
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:32.119
to address real fast, and just
ask you something and correct something, because

1061
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:38.600
I got somebody already barking at me
in private messages that I was wrong that

1062
01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:43.359
Reagan's assassination attempt didn't occur in nineteen
eighty one. It did. It was

1063
01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:46.920
March thirtieth. I'm looking right at
it and sorry, but you know,

1064
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:51.319
check your Mandela effect all right now, because the guy's telling me it was

1065
01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:55.199
nineteen eighty and I'm like, no, that's the year he was elected.

1066
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.239
I'm saying in my own head.
And nobody, you know, they shot

1067
01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:00.640
at him when he was president,
which has to be at least eighty one,

1068
01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:03.760
because he didn't take office to eighty
one. Okay, excuse me,

1069
01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:09.079
anyway, that's the correct thing.
Next, you're talking about people in the

1070
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:12.199
crowd. Now, I'm curious if
you mean, like, say, the

1071
01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:15.399
lady with the black hat that appears
to be reacting before the shots were fired.

1072
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:19.920
Well, there's one, Okay,
there's the guy in the front row

1073
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:24.880
who's just putting his arms out and
is sort of just sort of looking all

1074
01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.000
around. And I was, I
will say, and I mean, maybe

1075
01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:31.880
this is just because I've been somewhat
kind of you know, I've been staying

1076
01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:36.399
away from social media and that,
but the fact that I was amazed at

1077
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:40.520
how many people just have their phones
out, Well, have you ever taken

1078
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:43.159
I was just gonna ask you,
have you ever taken the time to examine

1079
01:29:43.159 --> 01:29:45.800
the behaviors of people at the Trump
rallies? You know, on a normal

1080
01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:51.199
day, because if you have,
it's probably very similar to that. It

1081
01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:55.239
is. No like the thing with
the phones out and all that. No,

1082
01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:57.920
see other people brought that up.
There's so many people with their phones

1083
01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:00.680
out. A whole lot of people
do that. They that they have that

1084
01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:02.159
a concerts. If you go to
a concert, which I haven't been in

1085
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:06.439
a while, but every piece of
concert footage I see there's like five thousand

1086
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:11.600
people with their phones over their heads. Oh no, that I believe.

1087
01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:14.880
But I was just shocked that,
Like, now, maybe this is that

1088
01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:19.800
area of Pennsylvania. It's just normal
to be at a large event and have

1089
01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:25.439
someone just popping off shots. But
I was, I was if that were

1090
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:30.079
me, I would have dropped my
phone and run. But that aside the

1091
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:35.479
other thing that I couldn't. I
mean it in my initial in the first

1092
01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:40.399
day or two, I really was
like, this has got to be some

1093
01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:44.720
sort of you know, deep state
plot. This is that, this can't

1094
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.439
be real. I was waiting for
them to, you know, the fbi'd

1095
01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:49.600
be like, well, yes,
I mean, Crooks was on our watch

1096
01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:53.600
list, but it just slipt through, you know, slip through the cracks.

1097
01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:59.039
We're so sorry. I mean,
the whole thing with him. Wait,

1098
01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:01.079
let me get my shoes on.
I mean, I I was I

1099
01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:11.399
did initially believe that she did just
touch his ear, fall down, and

1100
01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:14.199
then they're placing blood on his ear. You know that was? That was?

1101
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:21.079
Now now maybe that is just the
that that is just the result of

1102
01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:30.119
whatever four eight years of living in
this you know, sort of reality show

1103
01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:33.800
based existence in America. Well,
that mean we no longer believe you know

1104
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:38.800
this, this is this is like
we no longer believe what is truly happening

1105
01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:43.520
in front of us. Like well, and here's the other problem is the

1106
01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:46.920
moment that Trump starts to speak about
anything, he's full of crap anyway.

1107
01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:50.960
And that's what the problem is,
because all right, and why did I

1108
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:56.560
just say that? Okay, because
he's saying that he was shot with a

1109
01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.520
bullet. He wasn't hit with the
bullet. From what I can tell,

1110
01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:03.960
he was actually hit with a piece
of something that broke off from the bullet.

1111
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:09.840
I'm not sure how close it got. They're still studying this, and

1112
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:13.439
you know, people that say they
studied the video and they understand everything that

1113
01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:17.039
happened are also full of crap.
I'm sorry, because they've gotten about one

1114
01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:21.159
hundred things wrong already, all right, and people have tried to make all

1115
01:32:21.199 --> 01:32:25.800
these points about different and okay,
let me just throw a few things in

1116
01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:30.000
here. Some of the stuff that
people say they see in the crowd is

1117
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:35.039
not abnormal, you know. The
weird thing people that say they would have

1118
01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:40.359
reacted immediately and this and that you're
also full of crap. You know.

1119
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:44.279
One of the first questions that was
asked to me on that roundtable show was,

1120
01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:45.760
look, Chuck, I happen to
know you a little bit personally.

1121
01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:48.520
I know you've been around, you
know, when people have been shot.

1122
01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.279
And I'm like, yeah, okay, you're funny. But he's like,

1123
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:55.079
yeah, but what about these reactions
from these people. I'm like, well,

1124
01:32:55.439 --> 01:32:58.760
here's the thing. They're in a
crowd, they're at an event,

1125
01:32:59.039 --> 01:33:05.000
They're not thinking about gunshots. They
are in most cases going to be first

1126
01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:10.840
going what the hell just happened?
Where there's almost always a because people are

1127
01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:14.239
going, there's a delayed reaction over
here. See, you can't win because

1128
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.439
you got the lady reacting beforehand,
which does look strange. Uh, And

1129
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:21.119
then you got other people saying these
other people aren't even reacting, and I'm

1130
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:25.880
like, yeah, they're not reacting
because it's not a movie. Dude,

1131
01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:30.760
you don't immediately when something pops go, that's a gunshot. I need to

1132
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:35.680
duck for cover. That doesn't always
register unless you're in a circumstance where you're

1133
01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:42.319
expecting to be shot at. So
they are also outdoors. You know,

1134
01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:45.159
there's a lot of people talking.
Trump is talking, There's you know,

1135
01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:50.479
there's there's just ambient noise. So
these are legitimate. I agree, I

1136
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:55.800
you agree in retrospect. Yeah,
so these are legitimate reactions from some of

1137
01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.239
the people that are in the crowd. And by the way, you can

1138
01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:01.560
reference to Kennedy assassination for this.
How many times did I hear from these

1139
01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:08.479
eyewitnesses? I thought it was firecrackers
over you know, five hundred times.

1140
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:12.680
You must have heard that if you've
ever studied the Kennedy eyewitnesses. So this

1141
01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:15.720
idea that it's like, I'm not
sure what was happening, and there were

1142
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:21.279
firecracker type noises, you go,
yeah, yeah, that's right. Okay,

1143
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:28.359
So there you go. It's it's
exactly what happened. That to me

1144
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.680
makes all the sense in the world. This is not something that you know,

1145
01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:34.840
like it's like, oh, these
people are all stage. They're lying,

1146
01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:39.279
they're making up. No, they're
not. When they're telling that story

1147
01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:43.079
that sounds off, and they're not
aware of what's really happening, and they're

1148
01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:48.479
thinking they're hearing firecrackers. That is
exactly what I would expect from a real

1149
01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:53.640
situation. Now, am I saying
everything in this situation is real? Stay

1150
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:57.720
tuned? But when you're telling me
about these crowd reactions, not you peers,

1151
01:34:58.039 --> 01:35:00.720
Okay, please, I'm not streaking
direct, And I will say just

1152
01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:06.920
so everyone knows, I don't.
I do appreciate that people react strangely.

1153
01:35:08.039 --> 01:35:10.600
Also, I mean, because you
can you can then turn around and say

1154
01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:14.159
the same thing that like the you
know, the parents at Sandy Hook acted

1155
01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:16.439
weird, the children acted weird.
It's like, have you ever been in

1156
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:21.039
that kind of Well that's the thing, arguably a way worse situation. Well,

1157
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:24.159
Like, and people are telling me, you know, Trump didn't react

1158
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:26.479
right and this and that, and
I'm like, you know what, when

1159
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:30.279
I got shot, okay, and
I was actually hit with a bullet,

1160
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:33.560
Okay, when I got shot,
the first piece of my awareness, frankly,

1161
01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:39.399
was I'm wet. I felt blood
on myself before I felt pain.

1162
01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:44.680
Before I felt, you know,
this is not something where it's like this

1163
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:48.560
is proved positive that it's BS because
he said this. No, there are

1164
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:53.439
some things that are true that way
where it's like that's absolutely insane. There's

1165
01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:58.600
no way that you thought that.
But quite frankly, if somebody knew right

1166
01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:02.000
away, if somebody you know that
instantaneous, I was fully aware of the

1167
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:04.960
fact that there was a shooter,
you know, thirteen degrees away. Unless

1168
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:12.000
you're like a trained tactician who's on
guard, you know, and expecting something,

1169
01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:15.319
Yeah, you're not thinking that way, You're not reacting that way,

1170
01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:17.079
and that's legitimate. By the way, I'm asked in the chat room,

1171
01:36:17.119 --> 01:36:21.960
what was the roundtable show Saturday night? Anarchy. It's that thing that Anarchy,

1172
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:26.840
who used to be on my show
all the time, does with Tom

1173
01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:30.560
over there on the New Prisoners Network. So that's where I went on,

1174
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:32.680
and Nature Boy was on there and
a bunch of other people, and they

1175
01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:38.000
were having the discussion Saturday night when
this happened, and I joined them late

1176
01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:41.560
to discuss it briefly. And then
by the way, I carried the press

1177
01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:46.399
conference from Pennsylvania on a simulcast here
on Ocelli dot com right after that to

1178
01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:50.920
try and get the fresh information,
which was weird because nobody from the Secret

1179
01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:56.279
Service showed up at the presser.
But anyway, but there were years here

1180
01:36:56.359 --> 01:37:00.680
go ahead too busy trying to figure
out how how badly they screwed up.

1181
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:03.560
Well, that's the thing is that. The thing that alerted me right away

1182
01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:06.960
though, is that, look,
there is something way wrong here, because

1183
01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:11.720
I know Secret Service procedures what they
should have done. There was no way

1184
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:15.680
in hell that that building shouldn't have
been covered, uh and and been right

1185
01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:20.560
there monitored the whole time that Trump
was speaking. He gets a couple of

1186
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:26.199
minutes into his speech and this guy's
able to climb up there. So yeah,

1187
01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:30.600
just to jump in too. The
not only that, but that multiple

1188
01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:36.119
people seem to be screaming that he
had a gun on on the roof.

1189
01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:43.600
And I saw this earlier today.
This is like a wp X I you

1190
01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:47.479
know, uh, like local news
report Channel eleven, local news there and

1191
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:51.680
and they there's a reporter there saying
that you know, they'd spoken to a

1192
01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:57.680
law enforcement person that not only like
you know that I did him multiple times.

1193
01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:00.600
And and now I also saw I
read some story earlier today that a

1194
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:04.119
compacts. We went up on the
roof and confronted him and then ran away.

1195
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:11.079
So I mean, so I guess
this was how Also, this is

1196
01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:15.159
how my mind evolved from okay,
oh you know, and I think part

1197
01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:19.000
of me, deep down, the
tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist in me, wanted

1198
01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:23.920
this to be the you know,
mk ultra deep state event. You know,

1199
01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:26.720
I think I was sort of hungry
for something like that, you know,

1200
01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:33.159
some big news, right. And
what is more disturbing, seemingly is

1201
01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:41.000
how I don't even know if it's
like uh uh like lax attitude. I

1202
01:38:41.079 --> 01:38:45.399
mean, it's like it's like beyond
a fail for the Secret Service. This

1203
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:50.560
seems like they, I don't know, they need to be completely revamped.

1204
01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:57.760
But the fact that this kid a
just even got up on the roof while

1205
01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:02.840
people are screaming, let alone that
he fired what was it like seven or

1206
01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:08.319
eight shots? Now I know that
obviously there's and I know there's conjecture whether

1207
01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:13.359
the uh you know, there's a
footage of this like sniper on another roof,

1208
01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:15.560
whether or not he he was the
one that killed them, or if

1209
01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:20.039
it was a I know that I
read that it was a Secret Service agent

1210
01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:23.560
that got up on the roof and
yeah, he's the one that you know.

1211
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:32.039
I forget the stupid terminology they use
for killing neutralized, but the the

1212
01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:38.840
level of incompetence that's that to me
is the is the kind of the conspiracy.

1213
01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:43.199
And I was actually curious what you
thought about this because as someone who

1214
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:48.520
has studied the jfk assassination, and
I might be wrong, but but is

1215
01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:56.039
it not more or less established that
there were Secret Service agents then that knew

1216
01:39:56.199 --> 01:40:00.119
something was going to happen and they
didn't care, or they that they they

1217
01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:04.720
disliked Kennedy so much that they were
well, look the other way, or

1218
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:08.760
we're not going to pay attention,
or something like that. And to me,

1219
01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:12.600
on some level, I couldn't help. But wonder is that is there

1220
01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:17.560
an element of this year because it
seems like beyond a failure, well that's

1221
01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:21.279
yeah, this kid could even get
this close. Okay, So there's a

1222
01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:27.359
couple of open possibilities here, all
right. And to be completely fair,

1223
01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:30.000
all right, and I'm not looking
to defend the damn Secret Service, I'll

1224
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:36.039
tell you that. But look,
the idea that somebody intentionally allowed it to

1225
01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:41.800
happen when it came to Kennedy,
that's you know, I don't know that

1226
01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:45.439
I would say that that's true with
the Secret Service. Now, were they

1227
01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:48.560
hungover? Yep? Right, were
they? You know, there's a lot

1228
01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:51.920
of things going on there. But
let's get away from the Kennedy thing for

1229
01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:58.880
a second and talk about the specifics
here, because it's important. Local law

1230
01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:03.800
enforcement may indeed be responsible here.
Why do I say that, Because the

1231
01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:12.239
Secret Service is supplemented, okay by
local law enforcement, all right, and

1232
01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:15.479
other agencies they bring in the state
place, They bring in all kinds of

1233
01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:18.640
people, military, whoever they need
in order to secure things like this.

1234
01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:27.640
Okay. So here's the thing.
A local law enforcement person got up on

1235
01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:30.920
that building, you know, the
story you're hearing about. From what I

1236
01:41:30.119 --> 01:41:33.800
understand, the guy climbed up to
see what was going on, had his

1237
01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:39.279
both hands on the edge, looked
up at the guy right before he fired

1238
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:43.279
his shots, all right, and
got to look at him real fast,

1239
01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:50.600
okay, and went oh uh.
And the guy pointed his gun at him,

1240
01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:54.399
and he let go of the edge
of the building and dropped back down,

1241
01:41:55.199 --> 01:42:00.479
and the shots were fired right after
that. Now, is this something

1242
01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:05.600
that was handed over to locals or
state police or something like that where they

1243
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:12.000
were supposed to handle you know,
the rooftops outside of the perimeter, the

1244
01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:15.439
lines of sight outside of the perimeter. If so, somebody might want to

1245
01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:23.439
check that decision and figure that whole
thing out, Okay, because something wrong

1246
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:28.479
there. But is this local law
enforcement? Is this the secret Service?

1247
01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:32.119
Many of these things could be true, and a multiple of things could be

1248
01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:39.279
true. Here, in my mind, it's either a failure or indeed the

1249
01:42:39.399 --> 01:42:43.920
thing that you're suspecting that somebody allowed
it to happen. So either it was

1250
01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:49.399
allowed to happen, or it is
the ineptitude of the people responsible for covering

1251
01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:58.840
this specific line of sight. Okay, I know that sounds crazy, but

1252
01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:02.960
that's what I see here, because
there was no way in hell that that

1253
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:09.159
should have happened. I'm sorry,
it just should not have happened. Well

1254
01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:14.319
even if even if we and I
think obviously the local police, it's so

1255
01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:19.000
funny too. It seems to be
like the most timid local police in the

1256
01:43:19.279 --> 01:43:24.119
country. I mean, you could
literally just you know, walk down the

1257
01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:28.039
street and in a lot of places, including New York, and you know,

1258
01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:30.680
look at a cop a funny way, and they'll just shoot you right

1259
01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:33.600
then. And there. But yet
here, I don't know, You've got

1260
01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:36.720
people screaming, there's a guy on
the roof, he's got a gun.

1261
01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:42.439
You know. Whole minutes are ticking
by while this is happening. You know,

1262
01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.760
the cop walks up there, doesn't
you know, I don't know.

1263
01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:51.560
But there's like that. But even
if even if they were like okay,

1264
01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:56.439
yeah, like we're relying on the
local police, they had to have been

1265
01:43:56.560 --> 01:44:00.239
there for some time prior to that. It's not like they just show up

1266
01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:01.720
and they were like, okay,
whatever, there's no one on that roof

1267
01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:06.199
or this roof or any of these
roofs, you know whatever. Like it's

1268
01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:11.920
not like they I just the Well. See, that's why I said there's

1269
01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:15.399
a lot of possibilities there because this
should have been checked ahead of time.

1270
01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:18.600
I told you the one story,
But that's not relevant for what should have

1271
01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:23.319
been done. That should have been
taken care of well ahead, like you're

1272
01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:27.720
saying, it should have been you
know, well established, and somebody should

1273
01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:31.920
have had a constant eye on that
line of sight since it was clearly a

1274
01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:36.039
line of sight that was accessible from
what did they say, five hundred feet?

1275
01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:41.479
Yeah that is Yeah, that's exactly
the kind of thing that should have

1276
01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:45.880
been under surveillance and controlled. Nobody
should have been allowed to be putting the

1277
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:50.159
ladder up against because now there's images
out there a ladder up against the building

1278
01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:56.319
and get up there in the first
place, so ahead of the event,

1279
01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:00.039
it should have already been secured,
so that nobody could have made that move

1280
01:45:00.680 --> 01:45:03.800
to begin with. I'm telling you
about a cop that goes, hey,

1281
01:45:03.880 --> 01:45:06.399
you know, because he's hearing from
other people there's somebody up on top of

1282
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:10.199
the thing exactly, and he goes, well, let me go check that

1283
01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:14.800
out. That right there, in
and of itself, that story is off

1284
01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:18.760
because it should have been secured.
They should have seen him when he's approaching.

1285
01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:24.399
Somebody should have stopped him. Well, it's so I know, this

1286
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:28.079
is I and I'm trying to pull
it up if this is an ABC News

1287
01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:34.439
or another article. I read that
the that particular, the building that Crooks

1288
01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:43.600
went on top of was filled with
police, like local police snipers that were

1289
01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:48.760
acting as lookouts. So I mean, I don't the it just the level

1290
01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:53.279
I know we're repeating ourselves, but
the level of incompetence to allow something like

1291
01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:57.399
that to happen, It just it
doesn't this is I think what is so

1292
01:45:58.279 --> 01:46:01.920
bizarre about it, and maybe this
is the kind of conspiracy when it comes

1293
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:11.680
to this is it. It's like
the negligence is almost so extreme as to

1294
01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:17.279
be unbelievable. Yet for all intents
and purposes, it seems like there is

1295
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:24.000
nothing more to this than some weird
kid who may or may not have been

1296
01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:29.119
bullied, who may or may not
have been a Republican or a Democrat or

1297
01:46:29.199 --> 01:46:33.600
a libertarian, or he actually just
hated all politicians, you know, who

1298
01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:39.520
may or may not have been.
I mean, according to the high school

1299
01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:44.119
he went to, he was laughably
bad at marksmanship, so much so that

1300
01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:48.239
he couldn't make it on the team. Yet seemingly as almost you know,

1301
01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:51.359
as amazing. Aim I don't know, you know, I mean, like

1302
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:55.880
we're meant again, we're meant to
believe that because Trump turned his head to

1303
01:46:56.079 --> 01:47:00.600
point at some adiatic you know screen
that he had up about how many illegals

1304
01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:04.960
are something he was going to arrest, right, that that's what saved his

1305
01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:12.399
life. So it's I don't there's
something and maybe that's just the world we

1306
01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:15.920
live in. I don't know if
I'm if I'm what my point exactly is

1307
01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:23.880
with this, But it just seems
that the we we are all kind of

1308
01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:30.039
looking at this and seeing this as
being completely unbelievable, and yet that is

1309
01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:31.640
the reality, and we're just sort
of like, yeah, I guess so.

1310
01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:35.319
I mean, also, this was
the other one that really that did

1311
01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:41.920
make me wonder, what is going
on? There? Is Trump fist pumping

1312
01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:46.319
and then them chanting USA. They
don't know what's going on, right,

1313
01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:48.600
you know, I mean, they
have no real clue. They'd say,

1314
01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:53.479
now I know that, and again
I don't know where we're getting hot mics

1315
01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:56.960
on all the Secret Service with them, you know, clearly saying so that

1316
01:47:57.119 --> 01:48:00.439
in all the news channels they can
they can run the same where they're saying,

1317
01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:02.119
don't worry, he's neutralized, and
Trump is asking, well, let

1318
01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:04.640
me just put on my shoes.
I mean, first off, why do

1319
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:09.399
they even shouldn't they just be picking
him up and you know, carrying him.

1320
01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:14.319
Instead they let him pump his fist
multiple times, and then all of

1321
01:48:14.399 --> 01:48:19.680
these photographers walking around with giant black
cameras pointing at the president. I mean,

1322
01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:23.359
if I was a Secret Service I
would probably shoot one of them.

1323
01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:29.000
So it's like these amazing photos that
are now going to be like burned into

1324
01:48:29.079 --> 01:48:30.960
our memory. These will be in
history books at some point, you know,

1325
01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:34.840
Trump with the flag, I don't. I guess I don't know what

1326
01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:39.840
to make of it. Yeah,
because it seems like there is no conspiracy,

1327
01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:44.239
Like there is nothing actually all that
odd about this kid other than the

1328
01:48:44.279 --> 01:48:47.600
fact that he's a twenty year old
that just decided to do this seemingly for

1329
01:48:47.720 --> 01:48:53.159
no reason. There's no manifesto,
there's no you know, he told people

1330
01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:57.319
about this. I don't actually buy
I will say, I think this is

1331
01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.960
bs this that he had explosive to
vices and his you know car they always

1332
01:49:01.039 --> 01:49:06.000
do. But I, you know, what does that mean? That weird

1333
01:49:06.079 --> 01:49:10.239
too? Like I I gotta tell
you that's one of the weird things,

1334
01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:15.399
all right. So a bunch of
things unepack there. It is totally bizarre

1335
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:18.000
that he was allowed to stand up
and make sure that he got the new

1336
01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:23.279
getdy image of him with the fist
up right, which is going to be

1337
01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:26.640
an iconic image. I mean right
away. Somebody even said in one of

1338
01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:30.399
the emails I got, like immediately
it was like, doesn't this remind you

1339
01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:33.000
of the you know, the the
iconic image of Ebo Jima and nine to

1340
01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:36.840
eleven. Oh sure, yeah,
no Bush with the flag And it's like,

1341
01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:44.119
I mean it does I mean that
again It's I I do not do

1342
01:49:44.319 --> 01:49:48.239
this often, but I did find
myself earlier today moored at work and I

1343
01:49:48.359 --> 01:49:53.880
was scrolling through YouTube and I did
watch a little clip from the Joe Rogan

1344
01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:59.760
experience with him talking about this.
And this is not not advocating, it

1345
01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:03.439
is you know, it's a guilty
pleasure. I think many people would admit

1346
01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:08.359
to this, but I will say
I mean he eventually just completely went off

1347
01:50:08.439 --> 01:50:11.640
the rails and I had to turn
it off. But there was something about

1348
01:50:11.720 --> 01:50:14.399
it where, you know, he's
like, we are like you know,

1349
01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:16.760
you say, oh, we're living
in a simulation. And even I started

1350
01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:24.079
to kind of wonder listening to it
that the confluence of events, it's it's

1351
01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:29.319
it is like did we I know
you mentioned the you know, the Mandela

1352
01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:32.720
effect earlier. I mean like,
did we all collectively like go to sleep,

1353
01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:38.399
you know, Friday night and wake
up in an alternate reality where something

1354
01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:43.960
like this can kind of happen and
the I mean the the it also the

1355
01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:49.520
proximity to the RNC uh. It
just like of all the things. Now

1356
01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:53.920
Biden has COVID, so I mean, who knows if he's gonna make it

1357
01:50:54.239 --> 01:50:59.159
like literally yeah, I mean like
and plus the change in narrative. Now,

1358
01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:02.399
I look, and if you're a
try here's here's the worst part of

1359
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:08.680
all this appears is it is a
giant roar shock test. Again, it's

1360
01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:15.359
literally an ink blot of crazy that
you interpret. And that is all I

1361
01:51:15.439 --> 01:51:20.359
can take away from this. Because
the Trump supporter out there interprets this one

1362
01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:28.000
way. The Trump hater interprets it
another way. Uh, the you know,

1363
01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:32.960
wide eyed absolutely, you know,
I understand why people have always made

1364
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:39.600
fun of conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorist
takes it another way. The uh Joe

1365
01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:42.760
Rogan's of the world, which are
just half a step away from the guy

1366
01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:47.079
I just mentioned, the Joe Rogan
idiocy. Okay, Uh, is yet

1367
01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:55.159
another way. And it's more about
what you brought into the situation than what

1368
01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:59.600
it is you're going to observe as
to how you interpret this. That's the

1369
01:51:59.680 --> 01:52:04.800
truth at this point, Okay,
Because according to the Trump supporter, okay,

1370
01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:09.560
and I mean the rock ribbed,
I believe in the system, and

1371
01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:14.479
I believe Donald Trump is a hero
Trump supporter, right, that guy is

1372
01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:20.560
saying, and immediately afterward was saying, and they all simultaneously said, this

1373
01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:28.560
is the fault of the liberals and
Democrats who have demonized Donald Trump. Now

1374
01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:32.640
somebody finally decide to do something about
the demon and it is all their fault.

1375
01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:40.720
And they don't see anything other than
that. They just see that Orange

1376
01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:46.680
Jesus was damned there, taken out
because he was going to be martyred because

1377
01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:50.960
he's against the Liberals. He's owning
them. They know it, and at

1378
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:58.359
a desperation, they've set people loose, and that's why there's violence. The

1379
01:52:58.439 --> 01:53:01.640
Democrats have caused the violence. On
the other side of the equation. The

1380
01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:06.760
Trump hater who suffers from the other
kind of Trump arrangement, who is like

1381
01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:13.920
he's going down, He's a felon. That person is sitting there and saying,

1382
01:53:14.039 --> 01:53:15.880
this is what Donald Trump gets.
He encouraged violence. He brought it

1383
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:26.039
on himself. Now that is the
person who was, by the way freaking

1384
01:53:26.119 --> 01:53:29.960
out the moment that Facebook went live
with This is an Antifa guy. He

1385
01:53:30.159 --> 01:53:33.720
was arrested. He actually said justice
is coming on Facebook, blah blah blah

1386
01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:36.520
blah blah, which first of all. One of the most unbelievable things is

1387
01:53:36.560 --> 01:53:41.600
that a twenty year old would use
Facebook to make a declaration at this point

1388
01:53:41.600 --> 01:53:44.640
in time, because I don't think
there are any twenty year olds on Facebook

1389
01:53:44.640 --> 01:53:48.239
anymore, but maybe I'm wrong.
Well not to mention that that guy in

1390
01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:55.880
question is an Italian like soccer blogger, yeah right, you know. I

1391
01:53:56.039 --> 01:53:59.920
was also seeing Oh god, what
is her name? It is escaping me

1392
01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:05.479
now South African journalists. She used
to work for sixty minutes and now she's

1393
01:54:05.600 --> 01:54:14.720
like full maga right wing QAnon almost
sort of. Her name is escaping to

1394
01:54:14.760 --> 01:54:15.319
me now. But I I,
you know, I saw her. She

1395
01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:18.960
was saying it's a Chinese agent.
It's all been confirmed, you know,

1396
01:54:19.039 --> 01:54:21.960
and this is like Chinese agent,
yeah, you know, and it was

1397
01:54:23.039 --> 01:54:25.159
just like, oh okay, I
didn't see that one. And it was

1398
01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:30.239
one of those like she she's like
she's quoting a tweet and it's like crazy

1399
01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:32.000
if this is true, like you
know that that sort of thing where it's

1400
01:54:32.039 --> 01:54:35.520
like who even are these people?
I mean, I don't actually I saw

1401
01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:39.159
this. I don't know if this
is true because this is like I saw

1402
01:54:39.279 --> 01:54:44.640
this on like, you know,
it was like like someone retweeting something that

1403
01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:48.439
the this because I know people make
this big deal about it that, well,

1404
01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:54.840
Crooks is a registered Republican, but
he gave fifteen dollars to the you

1405
01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:59.720
know, some progressive organization AKA that
you know, Therefore that means he's actually

1406
01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:03.039
a eight member of the deep state. I saw people saying that it's actually

1407
01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:08.920
a different Crooks. It's like a
sixty nine year old man who lives in

1408
01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:14.239
Pennsylvania but not in Pittsburgh or something
like that. That's the guy that donated

1409
01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:18.079
the money. And I will also
say that this there's this weird one.

1410
01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:20.880
I just don't believe. Now,
maybe I'm wrong. I was like,

1411
01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:30.159
are these like high school students this
politically active and motivated? My favorite,

1412
01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:33.560
my favorite is the one they have
an a guy with an FBI jacket on

1413
01:55:33.800 --> 01:55:42.000
allegedly hosing down the roof where he
was. Okay, but there's stills out

1414
01:55:42.039 --> 01:55:45.319
there of that. Now there's a
video of it out there too, But

1415
01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:50.760
there are people saying that they're hosing
it down because it was all fake,

1416
01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:56.840
that it was a complete fake thing, that the guy actually had you know,

1417
01:55:56.920 --> 01:55:59.760
one of those blood packs on they
use in the movies that you know,

1418
01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:04.159
which funny because they just dismissed the
case against Alec Baldwin too. Right,

1419
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:09.159
you know the russ shooting, Well, you know, people making some

1420
01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:12.560
sort of I don't I don't know
how that links to it, but I

1421
01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:15.279
know it was linked to it in
the story. I couldn't finish reading the

1422
01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:18.720
damn thing. It made so much
nonsense. But they were like, this

1423
01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:23.640
is all staged. This guy didn't
really die. Uh, he was shooting

1424
01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:29.960
blanks, okay, And I went, what in the hell, where where

1425
01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:36.800
is your look? I'm all willing
to go for the strangest conspiracy theory if

1426
01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:42.119
you have a little something called evidence, So what is your evidence for this?

1427
01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:46.159
You know what? Because the guy
is hosing off the roof, you

1428
01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:50.880
know. But it's like, yeah, either way, if it was fake

1429
01:56:51.199 --> 01:56:56.000
or they blew this kid's head off, they would still hose it down.

1430
01:56:56.359 --> 01:56:59.600
That doesn't actually Yeah, but they're
going no, it's a crime scene and

1431
01:56:59.640 --> 01:57:01.720
there's no and I'm like, yeah, but they're done with it, yeah,

1432
01:57:01.800 --> 01:57:04.600
exactly, you know, I mean
right, but you know what it

1433
01:57:04.760 --> 01:57:09.600
is too, I don't this was
the thing. And I think you're so

1434
01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:13.680
right to call this sort of like
a rorshack test, because if it was

1435
01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:19.279
a deep state, they wouldn't have
missed. But that when the deep State

1436
01:57:19.520 --> 01:57:25.119
wanted to get rid of Kennedy,
they blew his brains out all over his

1437
01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:29.119
wife. Yeah. Yeah, And
there was no way in hell he was

1438
01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:33.640
escaping that. Okay, I promise
you. Okay, here's the thing about

1439
01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:38.239
this. Yeah. Indeed, if
the deep State was after Donald Trump,

1440
01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:41.680
and this has been my contention all
along, if they really wanted to neutralize

1441
01:57:41.720 --> 01:57:45.600
them, would have been done already. All you would have had to do.

1442
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:47.720
And you don't have to do it
in public now because there's too much

1443
01:57:48.319 --> 01:57:51.560
you know, exposure and too much
you don't have to do it publicly.

1444
01:57:51.640 --> 01:57:56.479
But even if you wanted to do
it publicly, all you gotta do really

1445
01:57:57.560 --> 01:58:00.840
is do something crazy like pick some
of that stuff that you know, the

1446
01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:08.560
Russians were using to poison people in
his yeah, in his diet coke.

1447
01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:13.239
End of Donald Trump, and you
know, and he can drop that on

1448
01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:16.279
stage and they could just call it
a heart attack and end the story.

1449
01:58:16.840 --> 01:58:19.560
Oh, so happens the seventy eight
year old guy had a heart attack.

1450
01:58:19.640 --> 01:58:25.000
What are you going to do?
Uh? Look, if the deep State

1451
01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:27.079
wanted to get rid of them,
even if they wanted to make a public

1452
01:58:27.159 --> 01:58:30.079
display of it. They don't hire
this guy. Okay. Also, I

1453
01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:34.479
you know, and I will say
this, this was to that end.

1454
01:58:34.640 --> 01:58:43.119
Also, one is if it was
a deep state that again, I mean,

1455
01:58:43.159 --> 01:58:45.359
this only benefits Trump. I mean
because then then at one point,

1456
01:58:45.439 --> 01:58:48.439
you know that the gears are turning
and I'm like, was this, you

1457
01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:51.760
know, was this Trump did?
They did? Did Trump's people? You

1458
01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:57.840
know? Like that to me almost
makes more sense that this was the you

1459
01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:00.840
know, they put this kid up
to it like that, you know,

1460
01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:03.640
because it now it's like, there's
no way he's losing the election at this

1461
01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:08.479
point. But even the people that
were on the fence are now going to

1462
01:59:08.760 --> 01:59:11.760
turn and be like, well,
you see what the Democrats do. They

1463
01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:15.800
make you know, they brainwash these
children into going and killing you know,

1464
01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:19.359
our dear leader, right right.
So he's got nothing but support out of

1465
01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:23.880
this. But here's the thing.
The people that and there are people claiming

1466
01:59:23.960 --> 01:59:26.680
that Trump, you know, Trump's
people arrange this, And I'm like,

1467
01:59:26.880 --> 01:59:30.920
no, no good there, because
here's the thing. Trump might arrange something

1468
01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:34.199
like this if he was in charge
of this kind of thing. But if

1469
01:59:34.239 --> 01:59:40.479
his people were arranging this, they
could do a better production job. Okay,

1470
01:59:40.520 --> 01:59:43.800
because even The Apprentice had better production
values than this. All right,

1471
01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:48.439
this is not something you do for
that kind of display. I'm sorry.

1472
01:59:48.600 --> 01:59:51.840
I don't think Trump's people set it
up. I don't think it's faked.

1473
01:59:53.000 --> 01:59:58.119
I don't think it's a crisis actor. You know, it wasn't a Hollywood

1474
01:59:58.439 --> 02:00:01.039
thing where he had a blood pack
that exploded. I'm sure that what they

1475
02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:04.560
had to rinse off of that roof
was not just blood, but probably you

1476
02:00:04.640 --> 02:00:09.079
know, when somebody dies, they
they you know, brains, maybe some

1477
02:00:09.600 --> 02:00:13.199
urine as well. You do release
your bowels in your urine when you die

1478
02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:15.760
suddenly like that, that's for sure. Uh, don't know if people are

1479
02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:19.920
aware of that, but so they
probably had to rinse a few bodily fluids

1480
02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:26.640
off of the roof. Okay,
not surprised, dude. It is such

1481
02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:30.399
a super roarshack test though. I'm
telling you, you can see where somebody

1482
02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:36.039
goes, whether it is completely outlandish
or it is just you know, complaints.

1483
02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:42.720
It's all about what they brought into
it, not what they're taking from

1484
02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:46.279
it, not what they're observing,
not what they're figuring out from the existing

1485
02:00:46.359 --> 02:00:49.960
evidence or analyzing the video. Everybody
thinks they're a video analyst now, which

1486
02:00:50.039 --> 02:00:55.680
you know, it's hilarious, but
it's no. Here's the thing, what

1487
02:00:55.840 --> 02:00:58.479
they brought into it, they're taken
out of it. I'm telling you,

1488
02:00:58.600 --> 02:01:01.079
that's all it is at this point. And the thing is, even with

1489
02:01:01.239 --> 02:01:03.600
him, why did I say he
was full of crap at the beginning?

1490
02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:10.840
I'm being asked because his son,
even Eric Trump, you know, he

1491
02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:14.840
goes on CNN, and now they're
very friendly to the Trump. You're going

1492
02:01:14.920 --> 02:01:19.000
to see the mainstream media now be
very friendly to Trump. They're still going

1493
02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:24.279
to show opposition. Well, that
was the day he became the president.

1494
02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:29.359
He became elevated. He was elevated
by this. Even in the mainstream corporate

1495
02:01:29.399 --> 02:01:31.920
media, he's now elevated. They're
even being nice to Eric Trump. And

1496
02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:36.359
Eric Trump's like, you know,
literally going, my dad was almost killed,

1497
02:01:36.760 --> 02:01:41.119
you know, and this kind of
thing. They're saying that he was

1498
02:01:41.159 --> 02:01:45.199
struck by the bullet, and all
evidence to my knowledge at this point is

1499
02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:48.760
that he was not struck by the
bullet. He was struck by the shrapnel

1500
02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:56.239
from something that the bullet hit and
it made him but I don't even think

1501
02:01:56.239 --> 02:01:59.039
it was metal. It was probably
a piece of one of those teleprompter screens.

1502
02:01:59.039 --> 02:02:02.279
You're not supposed to say. That's
what I'm thinking the gunman's struck based

1503
02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:06.319
on what I can tell. But
look, i'm making a supposition here.

1504
02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:10.960
Check the evidence on it. Though
I do not believe you're going to find

1505
02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:13.920
that he was wounded by the bullet. I think he was because people are

1506
02:02:13.920 --> 02:02:15.920
going, oh, look at the
way the blood spatters on him. That's

1507
02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:18.720
not what happens with this and that
and these are you know now everybody's you

1508
02:02:18.800 --> 02:02:23.439
know it thinks they're dexter too.
They're blood spatter experts. They're wrong,

1509
02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:29.000
They're wrong. Okay, So here's
the thing. If you were scraped by

1510
02:02:29.079 --> 02:02:33.199
a piece of flying glass or plastic
from one of those teleprompters at high speed,

1511
02:02:33.279 --> 02:02:38.039
because it was struck by a bullet, makes perfect sense. The wound

1512
02:02:38.119 --> 02:02:41.600
that you see on his ear,
and you can see it from another angle.

1513
02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:45.600
It's not slapped onto him. It
does because you did see the other

1514
02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:48.680
angles that are like underneath from these
other people's cell phones. Right yeah,

1515
02:02:48.920 --> 02:02:55.680
Okay, So ultimately, pierce,
after we go through everybody else's machinations on

1516
02:02:55.800 --> 02:03:00.439
this, let me ask you again
as I did at the top, right,

1517
02:03:00.279 --> 02:03:02.399
and I'm sorry. I know I'm
taking this a little long, but

1518
02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:05.760
you got a couple extra minutes.
Yeah, yeah, Okay, here's the

1519
02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:12.960
deal. What do you see?
And let's identify this. You're not a

1520
02:03:13.039 --> 02:03:16.319
fan of Trump, but you're not
particularly like anti Trump. You're just kind

1521
02:03:16.319 --> 02:03:18.760
of a guy who goes, you
know, this guy kind of sucks because

1522
02:03:19.039 --> 02:03:24.039
guess what, I lived in New
York and I live in Actually this is

1523
02:03:24.119 --> 02:03:26.479
you speaking. I'm saying I live
in New York. I lived in New

1524
02:03:26.560 --> 02:03:30.560
York. I think Trump sucks because
I know the way he behaves and seeing

1525
02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:35.800
the way things run when he's around
them. But you're not particularly anti Trump.

1526
02:03:36.239 --> 02:03:40.720
You're just kind of not not in
the way that you know, I

1527
02:03:40.800 --> 02:03:45.600
don't know, so Rachel Maddow might
be. So with that qualification, you're

1528
02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:51.119
not Rachel Maddow. Okay. You
know you're also not Alex Jones and thinking

1529
02:03:51.159 --> 02:03:56.039
that the globalists were defeated the day
that Trump won in twenty sixteen. Right,

1530
02:03:56.439 --> 02:04:00.840
So you're on either side of that
equation, and you are somebody's familiar

1531
02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:05.359
with conspiracy stuff and you might have
predilections toward that. Okay, So I'm

1532
02:04:05.359 --> 02:04:12.359
giving all these qualifiers before I ask
you again, what do you take away

1533
02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:15.560
from all of this, Outside of
the fact that it's clearly convenient, it

1534
02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:19.279
is going to help him, It
is helping him. I think it is

1535
02:04:19.359 --> 02:04:25.720
absolutely solidified. And you know,
I also watched was a Steve Schiers on

1536
02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:32.000
YouTube ranting and raving and screaming that
people need to stop saying that Joe Biden

1537
02:04:32.039 --> 02:04:35.000
has lost the election now because of
this. This is ridiculous. Didn't change

1538
02:04:35.039 --> 02:04:39.199
anything, And I'm like, yeah, dude, it changed a lot.

1539
02:04:39.359 --> 02:04:44.279
And also your guy failing on national
television during a debate saying that you know,

1540
02:04:44.399 --> 02:04:48.760
he killed Medicare or whatever, and
you know, and then the next

1541
02:04:48.840 --> 02:04:54.520
day declaring that vice President Trump and
all that, and also he's the first

1542
02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:58.399
vice presidential black woman ever. You
know, those couple of days with Joe

1543
02:04:58.479 --> 02:05:02.279
Biden kind of made the case that
maybe the old man's had enough there,

1544
02:05:02.399 --> 02:05:06.520
so you got a bad choice on
that side. True. And the guy

1545
02:05:06.640 --> 02:05:13.399
who just did get shot at for
real, uh is still standing, pumped

1546
02:05:13.439 --> 02:05:17.079
his fist and had his crowd chanting
USA and other people. You know,

1547
02:05:17.279 --> 02:05:20.520
two people died, right right,
I know, yeah, okay, well,

1548
02:05:20.560 --> 02:05:24.399
don't worry about that. Don't worry. Yeah, that's that's all imaginary

1549
02:05:24.439 --> 02:05:30.880
too, right anyway, point is
this is not a fake staged thing.

1550
02:05:30.520 --> 02:05:36.640
It has only helped him. Okay, but but but but what do you

1551
02:05:36.920 --> 02:05:45.479
take away from this personally? I
think that one, at least one thing

1552
02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:50.239
I would take away from this is
very much along the lines of what you

1553
02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:59.800
were saying earlier, that this is
one of these significant events that is then

1554
02:06:00.119 --> 02:06:13.159
reinterpreted and regurgitated and morphed to conform
to whatever our preconceived notions are to uh,

1555
02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:17.159
you know, to explain whatever it
is that we want. And I

1556
02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:24.680
guess it. I see. Also
the main takeaway is, and it's a

1557
02:06:24.720 --> 02:06:32.600
little disturbing. Is truly how deranged
the majority of the population is when it

1558
02:06:32.640 --> 02:06:40.279
comes to this, because you know, it is like you are, It's

1559
02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:44.920
basically like it is. It seems
to me it's become a situation where like

1560
02:06:45.119 --> 02:06:49.399
you're either pro assassination or anti assassination. That's how dumb we've become, right,

1561
02:06:49.560 --> 02:06:55.640
you know? And and I was
I I saw all of these you

1562
02:06:55.760 --> 02:07:00.399
know, articles about all these different
you know, the students that knew him,

1563
02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:05.079
and all these students who I don't
know, what are they twenty years

1564
02:07:05.119 --> 02:07:09.079
old? If they're a day Young. You know, they're all they all

1565
02:07:09.159 --> 02:07:12.960
are like, well, you know, he hated Trump and he he hated

1566
02:07:13.039 --> 02:07:15.079
us for being Maga and Bob.
And I'm like, you know, what,

1567
02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:18.800
what is your stake in this?
First of if you're talking about a

1568
02:07:18.880 --> 02:07:24.159
kid, you probably haven't you barely
even noticed right yet. But now he's

1569
02:07:24.239 --> 02:07:28.760
the most famous thing that's ever happened
to your crappy little town. So you

1570
02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:30.760
know, we're all gonna we're all
gonna kind of jump on the bandwagon.

1571
02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:35.960
Everyone wants to be interviewed saying that
they knew him and he sucked and you

1572
02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:40.680
know we were we were pro Trump
and he was anti Trump. Again,

1573
02:07:40.760 --> 02:07:45.840
they're they're interpreting all of this is
and I don't know what. There's no

1574
02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:50.159
way that Crooks was I don't think
he like was anti Trump. I mean,

1575
02:07:50.199 --> 02:07:59.520
this kid is obviously way unhinged to
think that one that to even think

1576
02:07:59.600 --> 02:08:01.600
that he could get this far,
you know, I mean, he had

1577
02:08:01.640 --> 02:08:05.640
to know he was gonna die.
There's there's no way he's just shooting him

1578
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:11.319
and then walking away, So you
know he went there to kill himself.

1579
02:08:11.399 --> 02:08:15.159
Basically, Yeah, see the suicide
by cop thing nobody's brought up right,

1580
02:08:15.680 --> 02:08:18.600
I mean, I am maybe maybe
that's how he wanted to go out.

1581
02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:22.560
It could be, it could be. And you know, and there's something

1582
02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:28.760
also that that it again like the
this is the other thing I take away

1583
02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:31.760
is and then maybe this is again
this is like how people are able to

1584
02:08:31.840 --> 02:08:37.119
sort of form these insane opinions.
It's like everything on the face of it

1585
02:08:37.319 --> 02:08:46.199
seems like the opposite. So you
have this kid who looks like he is

1586
02:08:46.359 --> 02:08:50.880
the the quintessential lives in his mother's
basement dork. I mean, no one

1587
02:08:50.960 --> 02:08:56.520
has said it, but like looks
like an inceel. You know, he's

1588
02:08:56.560 --> 02:09:03.560
the he's the he's the the ultimate
Beta cup. Yet his father is a

1589
02:09:03.159 --> 02:09:09.439
die in the wall right wing kind
of libertarian Trump supporter. He was on

1590
02:09:11.039 --> 02:09:18.840
he was actually targeted by the Trump
campaign back in twenty sixteen as a potential

1591
02:09:18.039 --> 02:09:26.199
voter for them, because the Trump
campaign has this giant database of gun owners,

1592
02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:28.239
right that they were then using to
target. So, you know,

1593
02:09:28.920 --> 02:09:33.840
and and he, you know,
this kid is like the opposite of the

1594
02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:39.479
sort of what you would think.
Yet he he he like seems to idolize

1595
02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:46.239
all this like macho gun culture,
you know, you know, alpha male,

1596
02:09:48.680 --> 02:09:50.079
you know, but at the same
time, he's the opposite of that.

1597
02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:54.439
See and look, why not the
suicide by cop slash F you to

1598
02:09:54.600 --> 02:09:58.479
dad kind of right, yeah,
I'm saying no, I know exactly and

1599
02:09:58.600 --> 02:10:05.279
the f there again. And I
can't shab them what that must feel like.

1600
02:10:05.399 --> 02:10:11.560
But it I don't know, I
I and you. I thought that

1601
02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:13.960
they would at least have maybe put
out a statement or something. I mean,

1602
02:10:15.000 --> 02:10:18.439
who knows. I'm sure they're under
investigation. And also all the people

1603
02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:24.560
in the in their neighborhood. I
saw this video of this this uh this

1604
02:10:24.720 --> 02:10:30.159
was on uh Inside Edition, which
is still amazing for these like great sort

1605
02:10:30.239 --> 02:10:33.800
of uh you know, man on
the street interviews. But they're interviewing some

1606
02:10:33.640 --> 02:10:37.800
an elderly woman who I guess lives
in the neighborhood, and she's like,

1607
02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:43.000
oh, yeah, they all suck. Nobody knew them. They were reclusive.

1608
02:10:43.119 --> 02:10:46.279
We didn't trust them. You know, they they were strange. They

1609
02:10:46.359 --> 02:10:50.880
kept to themselves. I mean,
you know as if like they're you know,

1610
02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:56.119
they're they're like they're you know,
the the they're the murderers, right,

1611
02:10:56.159 --> 02:10:58.319
you know you always hear that afterwards, like oh yeah, you know,

1612
02:10:58.399 --> 02:11:01.119
we they're a little weird and quiet, and no one knew that he

1613
02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:03.119
was, you know, killing women
and eating their corpses and stuff. They're

1614
02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:07.960
talking about these people that they like
live next door to. So I think

1615
02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:16.159
it's it's it's illustrated to me the
lengths that the mental gymnastics that people can

1616
02:11:16.279 --> 02:11:20.960
go to in order to justify whatever
they want. And I can't help but

1617
02:11:22.520 --> 02:11:24.039
look at the comparison, and I'm
sure people are kind of rolling their eyes,

1618
02:11:24.079 --> 02:11:28.000
but with the Jeffrey Epstein stuff,
where you can look at this one

1619
02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:33.760
single event, this one person who
touched the lives of so many in Washington

1620
02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:39.840
and elsewhere, but only walk away
with, well, it's all it's all

1621
02:11:39.880 --> 02:11:43.159
Clinton, you know, or well
it's all Trump, you know. And

1622
02:11:43.640 --> 02:11:48.479
people are able to do this too, this kid who's a registered Republican,

1623
02:11:48.720 --> 02:11:56.039
No, he's a secret Democrat agent
because maybe he donated fifteen dollars, you

1624
02:11:56.119 --> 02:12:00.560
know. And you're also seeing every
one of these students who clearly bullied this

1625
02:12:00.720 --> 02:12:03.680
kid be like, no, I
mean, you know, we were just

1626
02:12:03.439 --> 02:12:09.239
like they all make it seem like
she was the weirdo that like he was

1627
02:12:09.319 --> 02:12:11.680
so weird, we didn't like him, you know, we were this wonderful,

1628
02:12:11.760 --> 02:12:16.000
tight knit little you know school where
everybody loved one another and he was

1629
02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:22.079
the freak. And here's the thing
about that. Nobody is gonna also be

1630
02:12:22.199 --> 02:12:26.039
honest about the motive that if you're
interviewing a Trump supporter who happened to know

1631
02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:31.520
this kid, they are clearly gonna
want to demonize and distance themselves because,

1632
02:12:31.600 --> 02:12:35.920
oh my god, this guy took
a shot at our savior, right,

1633
02:12:37.560 --> 02:12:39.840
so you know, but that's like
these kids that are like barely out of

1634
02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:43.680
high school. Yeah no, but
we love him, we love Trump,

1635
02:12:45.039 --> 02:12:46.640
you know, And it's like,
what's your skin in the game with this?

1636
02:12:46.960 --> 02:12:50.079
What is their skin in the game. It's because there's a game to

1637
02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:54.359
put skin in. See, that's
the problem here. Okay. These people

1638
02:12:54.680 --> 02:13:01.800
that are the loudest voices, the
people that are absolute about this okay that

1639
02:13:01.000 --> 02:13:09.920
I encounter, frankly, are usually
the least informed. They are people that

1640
02:13:09.079 --> 02:13:13.920
have nothing to do with anything,
and they go and because you just ask

1641
02:13:13.000 --> 02:13:16.600
them one question, it solves it
all. Which, by the way,

1642
02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:20.039
I got one closing doozy of a
question for you. But you ask him

1643
02:13:20.079 --> 02:13:24.479
one question, you say, okay, look you and it's whether they absolutely

1644
02:13:24.560 --> 02:13:28.840
despise hate Trump. Oh my god, he's a monster. He's a fascist,

1645
02:13:28.920 --> 02:13:31.640
he's the second coming a Hitler,
He's Mussolini. I go, wow,

1646
02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:35.079
Okay, look, I think he's
a scumbag. And he's a real

1647
02:13:35.199 --> 02:13:39.640
estate hustler from the Queens. And
clearly you know he's a fiction because you

1648
02:13:39.720 --> 02:13:41.640
tell me. You know, everybody
says he's a great businessman. I still

1649
02:13:41.680 --> 02:13:46.399
say, how do you bankrupt three
casinos in Atlantic City? I couldn't figure

1650
02:13:46.439 --> 02:13:48.479
out how to do that, even
if you gave me a good supply of

1651
02:13:48.560 --> 02:13:54.840
methamphetamine. Okay, I'm just saying, can't be done anyway. So you

1652
02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:58.359
ask him this one question, whether
they hate him like that, or this

1653
02:13:58.640 --> 02:14:03.800
man is God's instrument. He is
the absolute you know Orange Jesus. All

1654
02:14:03.880 --> 02:14:09.039
right? Either way, you say
to them one thing, why, what

1655
02:14:09.640 --> 02:14:16.880
is the biggest thing? What is
the absolute proof, the thing that makes

1656
02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:22.000
you either hate him or love him? And if they're on the extreme sides,

1657
02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:26.800
listen carefully to their answer, tell
me about why you hate him.

1658
02:14:26.960 --> 02:14:33.199
They will tell you something that didn't
happen. They'll add in some things that

1659
02:14:33.319 --> 02:14:37.239
did happen and pile it all on
and try and create a dogpile. But

1660
02:14:37.359 --> 02:14:41.079
they'll also throw in and he did
this, and he did that, and

1661
02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:45.399
we know he did this, and
I know there's proof of this, and

1662
02:14:45.560 --> 02:14:50.359
the stuff that they're saying there's proof
of People have made jokes about like they'll

1663
02:14:50.439 --> 02:14:52.520
say, I know he molested his
daughter, you know, if they hate

1664
02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:56.640
him, And comedians have made jokes
about that. People have made, you

1665
02:14:56.680 --> 02:15:01.039
know, weird illusions about it because
he's too touchy. Peelis made strange comments

1666
02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:05.960
about uh, you know Ivanka,
right, and people go, man,

1667
02:15:05.079 --> 02:15:11.600
that's a little weird. But they'll
say that there's proof of that, and

1668
02:15:11.760 --> 02:15:15.000
they'll say that, and then they'll
say he was on the Epstein plane,

1669
02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:20.199
and then they'll say something else crazy
that isn't probably true at all, and

1670
02:15:20.279 --> 02:15:22.000
then they'll throw in something else about
something else he did. All right.

1671
02:15:22.840 --> 02:15:26.720
On the other side, you tell
him, okay, why do you love

1672
02:15:26.840 --> 02:15:31.960
him so much? And they'll say
something like, you know, he made

1673
02:15:31.199 --> 02:15:35.520
this thing happen in the country,
and you sit there and you shake your

1674
02:15:35.560 --> 02:15:37.680
head and go, wait a minute, I was here. I don't remember

1675
02:15:37.720 --> 02:15:41.680
that. You know. He'll say
that all of a sudden, the streets

1676
02:15:41.720 --> 02:15:46.319
were safe when Donald Trump was in
office. The migrants and there was no

1677
02:15:46.520 --> 02:15:52.319
violence in the country when Trump was
in office, and I go, wait

1678
02:15:52.359 --> 02:15:56.680
a minute, there was You guys
were complaining about it, you know,

1679
02:15:56.920 --> 02:16:01.720
like completely divergent things. And then
they'll say, and also he did this,

1680
02:16:01.960 --> 02:16:03.479
and also he's on the side,
and some of the things they'll say

1681
02:16:03.479 --> 02:16:09.079
are true, you know, and
plus and then the final thing they'll pile

1682
02:16:09.159 --> 02:16:11.840
on if they love him, is
you were in a lot better shape financially

1683
02:16:11.920 --> 02:16:16.399
when he was in office than you
are right now, which is an undeniable

1684
02:16:16.479 --> 02:16:20.680
truth. Yes, that's true.
I was. Is he responsible for that?

1685
02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:24.479
That's another question. But you just
piled on a bunch of crap too.

1686
02:16:24.199 --> 02:16:28.920
So what I'm saying is that they'll
adopt the fiction and the reality to

1687
02:16:30.039 --> 02:16:33.440
go along with their own stories,
right, And that's the way this works.

1688
02:16:33.479 --> 02:16:37.000
Again, it's the rar shock testing. You guys are going to see

1689
02:16:37.000 --> 02:16:39.920
what you want to see out of
this assassination attempt? Was it an assassination

1690
02:16:41.000 --> 02:16:45.920
attempt? Yes? Is this kid
who they say he was? Pretty much?

1691
02:16:46.360 --> 02:16:48.959
And remember there's a spin on it. Do I think this guy,

1692
02:16:50.120 --> 02:16:52.360
this guy would have shot up a
school or something eventually? I think,

1693
02:16:54.159 --> 02:16:56.239
okay, because it just sounds like
he's that kind of guy. He decided

1694
02:16:56.239 --> 02:17:00.680
to shoot at Trump University. As
far as I'm concerned, that's what he

1695
02:17:00.799 --> 02:17:03.239
did. And I don't know if
it was an f you to Dad,

1696
02:17:03.799 --> 02:17:07.239
or if it was an f you
to Trump, or if it was just

1697
02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:11.399
you know what, I'm gonna commit
suicide by cop all those things which nobody

1698
02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:16.840
has mentioned or even referenced. So
let me ask you the final weird question

1699
02:17:16.000 --> 02:17:18.760
here, and then we're going to
close this out, Pierce, because all

1700
02:17:18.799 --> 02:17:24.760
I'm gonna do is get myself in
trouble. I can already hear and see

1701
02:17:24.840 --> 02:17:28.760
the hate mail in my mind.
I all right from this tonight's show,

1702
02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:33.120
the ugly messages. I'm going to
get on Twitter, the people that are

1703
02:17:33.159 --> 02:17:39.879
gonna unfriend me and hate me now
until November at least. Anyway, here's

1704
02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:45.959
my other question, because RFK Junior
Okay, who, by the way,

1705
02:17:46.000 --> 02:17:50.360
as far as I'm concerned, has
now shown himself to be nothing more than

1706
02:17:50.399 --> 02:17:56.079
a tool of the tech industry and
was clearly inserted into the race just as

1707
02:17:56.159 --> 02:18:00.559
a contingency which is now not needed. So he can now go away and

1708
02:18:00.639 --> 02:18:05.440
he's going to And I really wanted
to believe in him, but he's proven

1709
02:18:05.520 --> 02:18:09.520
himself to be guess what another puppet
of the system. So I'm done with

1710
02:18:09.639 --> 02:18:13.360
any sort of support of RFK Junior. I would love to have believed in

1711
02:18:13.440 --> 02:18:18.719
some of the things that that guy
might have legitimately fought for had he been

1712
02:18:18.760 --> 02:18:22.559
given a position of power, but
clearly that's not what he's in it for.

1713
02:18:22.159 --> 02:18:26.879
End of story with RFK Junior.
But here's the thing about that.

1714
02:18:26.959 --> 02:18:31.639
Immediately following this situation, that over
the next couple of days, when we

1715
02:18:31.719 --> 02:18:35.719
were contending with this and everybody's talking
about, you know, and elevating Trump

1716
02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:41.040
and his supporters supported more and his
haters are angry, and everybody's angry at

1717
02:18:41.079 --> 02:18:45.079
the media for one reason or another, either the right wing media or jerks

1718
02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:48.079
because they have raised the level of
violent rhetoric in the country, or the

1719
02:18:48.239 --> 02:18:52.559
liberals have raised the level of violent
rhetoric in the country. And therefore,

1720
02:18:52.680 --> 02:19:00.799
okay, all that put aside.
RFK Junior allegedly has now been granted secret

1721
02:19:00.840 --> 02:19:05.159
Service protection. You know, how
good is that protection? Well, I

1722
02:19:05.280 --> 02:19:09.520
give you, you know, exhibited
at this point, you know, yeah,

1723
02:19:09.559 --> 02:19:13.799
I would if I was him.
But but here's the thing. Now

1724
02:19:13.879 --> 02:19:16.479
he's been granted that protection. We
have a leaked phone call, there's that

1725
02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:20.520
going on, which speaking of phone
calls, I found it funny that there

1726
02:19:20.639 --> 02:19:24.440
was this, you know, completely
friendly phone call between him and Biden.

1727
02:19:24.600 --> 02:19:26.479
You know, Joe Biden, he's
sick, he's demented. You know,

1728
02:19:26.639 --> 02:19:31.559
Donald Trump is a fascist. Okay, you know, they're both dangerous to

1729
02:19:31.639 --> 02:19:37.559
democracy depending on who you ask again
rorshock Test, but RFK Junior, who's

1730
02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:39.799
not a danger to democracy but has
a bug in his brain and is a

1731
02:19:39.840 --> 02:19:46.559
conspiracy theorist, you know, allegedly. Yeah, whatever, you know,

1732
02:19:46.719 --> 02:19:48.719
let's keep going. You know,
Alex Jones is a poster boy for the

1733
02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:52.079
First Amendment too. You know,
let's keep going on with the KACA if

1734
02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:58.319
you want, because I love Joe
Rogan anyways. And Elon Musk is a

1735
02:19:58.399 --> 02:20:03.239
genius too, by the way.
All right, so yeah, moving forward,

1736
02:20:05.600 --> 02:20:09.440
you know, away from the other
elitists, what are your thoughts on

1737
02:20:09.520 --> 02:20:13.079
that RFK Junior, the leaked phone
call, secret Service protection, and now

1738
02:20:15.120 --> 02:20:18.200
again the unanswered questions. It took
them days, by the way, to

1739
02:20:18.280 --> 02:20:22.559
get to the ultimate thing that I
pointed out immediately, which is that there

1740
02:20:22.719 --> 02:20:28.600
are three levels of security procedures that
not even just specific to the Secret Service

1741
02:20:28.639 --> 02:20:35.959
were violated here on Saturday night.
But clearly there is either incompetence in play

1742
02:20:35.360 --> 02:20:46.000
or a malicious effort to allow danger
to be acceptable in a circumstance where it

1743
02:20:46.040 --> 02:20:48.360
should not have been, which,
by the way, for the record,

1744
02:20:48.399 --> 02:20:54.719
here, even though I have no
love for Donald Trump, I don't want

1745
02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:58.600
to see him catch a bullet.
I don't support the idea of solving any

1746
02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:03.920
of this at the barrel of a
gun unless we're forced to do so.

1747
02:21:03.559 --> 02:21:07.559
And I don't sit there and say, well, remain bloodless, so long

1748
02:21:07.639 --> 02:21:11.159
as they don't, you know,
push against us like some people have done.

1749
02:21:11.200 --> 02:21:15.120
And by the way, congratulations jd
Vance, who I also told people

1750
02:21:15.200 --> 02:21:20.239
Saturday night was the VP pick because
the Secret Service immediately mobilized around it.

1751
02:21:20.319 --> 02:21:24.879
By the way, just so you
guys know. But anyway, and I

1752
02:21:24.959 --> 02:21:28.520
got that from somebody who works for
Trump, and they announced that he's the

1753
02:21:28.959 --> 02:21:35.360
guy on what was it Monday Rights
Convention? Yeah? No, yeah,

1754
02:21:35.479 --> 02:21:37.760
was it? I think it was
first day of the convention? Was Monday,

1755
02:21:37.840 --> 02:21:41.440
right, okay, yeah, so
that's when they got Anyway, the

1756
02:21:41.520 --> 02:21:45.239
thing is this, what are your
thoughts about the RFK Junior thing and what

1757
02:21:45.479 --> 02:21:50.760
is your final thought on this whole
circumstance. I mean, it appears to

1758
02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:56.120
be organic, and it is as
believable as it is unbelievable. And I

1759
02:21:56.280 --> 02:22:00.479
stand by my roar shock test statement. So where do you come down?

1760
02:22:00.639 --> 02:22:03.840
But before you go there, RFK
Junior and your thoughts on that and the

1761
02:22:03.920 --> 02:22:07.680
leaked phone call, well, I
think that, well, who I guess

1762
02:22:07.959 --> 02:22:11.399
who leaked the phone call? Right? It had to be Trump, because

1763
02:22:11.520 --> 02:22:16.559
isn't isn't isn't Kennedy back, He's
like walking it back, being like,

1764
02:22:16.639 --> 02:22:20.479
oh, I shouldn't have you know, I regret ever talking to him,

1765
02:22:20.639 --> 02:22:24.079
or something like that, or or
I regret that we recorded it in the

1766
02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:28.239
first place. Yeah, you suspect
the same thing I do. Yeah,

1767
02:22:28.239 --> 02:22:31.239
okay, but I am assuming it's
Trump. I see, I don't think

1768
02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:37.920
that. I think that Trump is
also he will believe whatever he thinks is

1769
02:22:39.000 --> 02:22:41.479
going to get in more votes.
So you know, at a certain point

1770
02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:52.360
when he was president, being openly
referencing QAnon gave him legions and legions of

1771
02:22:52.479 --> 02:22:56.079
diehard supporters. So he did it, you know, I think he.

1772
02:22:56.920 --> 02:23:01.399
I think when it comes to the
kind of conspiracy people, you know,

1773
02:23:01.520 --> 02:23:05.799
many of which are are going to
be I think more in support of Kennedy

1774
02:23:07.559 --> 02:23:09.719
then, you know, Trump will
support them, you know, I mean

1775
02:23:09.799 --> 02:23:13.479
he he and and you know I
couldn't help. But remember too that you

1776
02:23:13.559 --> 02:23:18.399
know, Trump was the one saying
that. Remember you know he was back

1777
02:23:18.479 --> 02:23:20.319
when he was running, I think
before he was even nominated, he was

1778
02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:24.680
the one saying Ted Cruz's father helped
kill Kennedy. So you know, he's

1779
02:23:24.959 --> 02:23:31.040
there's like the I think he taps
into it. I don't think it's I

1780
02:23:31.639 --> 02:23:37.799
think it's just I don't think Trump
actually cares about vaccines or anything like that.

1781
02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:43.440
This is also the same person who
bragged about how fast he got the

1782
02:23:43.520 --> 02:23:46.440
COVID vaccine out. You know,
that was that was a big win for

1783
02:23:46.600 --> 02:23:50.360
him, right, and that was
again even people that despised him were like,

1784
02:23:50.440 --> 02:23:54.920
well okay, you know, but
then at the same time he's say,

1785
02:23:54.079 --> 02:23:56.840
you know, he's he said,
yeah, I don't take it.

1786
02:23:56.920 --> 02:23:58.000
I don't I don't believe in it, right or you know, I mean,

1787
02:23:58.159 --> 02:24:03.840
so he he'll change his opinion if
tomorrow, you know, every one

1788
02:24:03.879 --> 02:24:09.959
of his supporters became you know,
pro vaccine and loved you know, trans

1789
02:24:09.120 --> 02:24:11.760
rights, then that's what he would
believe in. You know, I don't

1790
02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:18.799
think he I don't think he cares. I find it interesting that it seems

1791
02:24:18.920 --> 02:24:26.680
like RFK Junior is there is something
you know, I think he is still

1792
02:24:26.959 --> 02:24:31.760
maybe trying to curry favor with Trump
getting a Trump White House. You know,

1793
02:24:31.840 --> 02:24:35.719
this whole Oh, I'm so sorry. I apologize. I should have

1794
02:24:35.840 --> 02:24:37.360
never happened. I mean, what, you know, what does he care.

1795
02:24:37.520 --> 02:24:41.360
He's ostensibly running against this person.
You know, they shouldn't like,

1796
02:24:41.600 --> 02:24:46.879
I don't know what this should so
weird. The the it's still the reverence

1797
02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:52.799
that people show to this guy.
And maybe that's just because, as you

1798
02:24:52.879 --> 02:24:58.520
said earlier, RFK Junior, Trump, Biden, they're all ostensibly in the

1799
02:24:58.559 --> 02:25:03.120
same clas they all know exactly what
the script is. They know Trump is

1800
02:25:03.159 --> 02:25:07.360
going to be president, and they
all want to, you know, have

1801
02:25:07.479 --> 02:25:11.600
a piece of that, whatever that
may be. So that's that's my sort

1802
02:25:11.680 --> 02:25:16.360
of at least right now, that's
how I kind of view it. I

1803
02:25:16.440 --> 02:25:18.319
mean, I find all these like
leaks and everything. I mean, the

1804
02:25:18.600 --> 02:25:22.120
timing of this stuff is just it's
unbelievable. I Mean, if if I

1805
02:25:22.319 --> 02:25:24.600
was, you know, like a
reporter or something, I wouldn't be able

1806
02:25:24.639 --> 02:25:28.639
to keep up with this. Every
day there seems to be a new thing

1807
02:25:28.000 --> 02:25:35.040
and all of it seems to favor
Donald Trump winning in like a huge landslide

1808
02:25:37.719 --> 02:25:41.920
re election. So you know,
I find all of that is I mean,

1809
02:25:41.959 --> 02:25:46.799
I don't know if you'd know if
it's suspicious, but it's interesting that

1810
02:25:46.920 --> 02:25:52.799
it all kind of lines up.
But I think that that's just weirdly,

1811
02:25:52.000 --> 02:25:56.879
this is like the world we live
in. You know, we live in

1812
02:25:56.959 --> 02:26:01.280
a time where maybe this is you
know, this, this is you know,

1813
02:26:01.360 --> 02:26:03.959
the result of there's just so much
information out there, there's so much

1814
02:26:05.040 --> 02:26:07.479
going on, it's all on our
fingertips, you know, and now everything

1815
02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:11.799
happens so quickly. Trump gets shot, next day he's at the RNC,

1816
02:26:13.399 --> 02:26:18.360
it's got you know, gauze on
his ear, you know. And then

1817
02:26:18.479 --> 02:26:24.920
following that like RFK Junior is getting
pulled into this. I don't know,

1818
02:26:26.040 --> 02:26:28.719
I mean, it just it does
seem like this is just the world we

1819
02:26:28.840 --> 02:26:31.959
live in. The only way to
keep people interested is every day it's going

1820
02:26:33.000 --> 02:26:35.760
to be something new, and they're
kind of pulling out all the stops with

1821
02:26:35.879 --> 02:26:39.440
this. I think I got to
start a new podcast called the Deep State

1822
02:26:39.559 --> 02:26:45.479
Report. But you know, cause
I mean, it's getting weirder and weirder,

1823
02:26:46.079 --> 02:26:50.600
and it is so strange, and
I say, you know, you

1824
02:26:50.719 --> 02:26:52.840
take a look at the money that
came in to people. I mean,

1825
02:26:54.520 --> 02:26:58.520
the disgusting amount of money that's been
spent now on this presidential selection. I

1826
02:26:58.559 --> 02:27:03.639
took note of this a couple of
I don't know a few few days ago,

1827
02:27:03.680 --> 02:27:07.120
because you know, the second quarter
was was filed with the you know,

1828
02:27:07.280 --> 02:27:13.719
the Federal Election Commission, and you
know Trump raised more money than Biden

1829
02:27:13.799 --> 02:27:18.319
did. But I mean when you're
talking about between the two of them,

1830
02:27:20.040 --> 02:27:24.200
they raised in that quarter half a
billion dollars, right, you got three

1831
02:27:24.319 --> 02:27:30.719
hundred and thirty I think for Trump
and two hundred and fifty million. These

1832
02:27:30.719 --> 02:27:35.920
are millions of dollars I'm talking about
for Biden, Okay, more than half

1833
02:27:35.959 --> 02:27:39.079
a billion dollars. And then I
don't know what Kennedy raised. I didn't

1834
02:27:39.120 --> 02:27:43.680
read his FBC report because you know, it wasn't I don't think it was

1835
02:27:43.719 --> 02:27:46.959
even at the top. It wasn't
even like number three, uh, you

1836
02:27:46.040 --> 02:27:50.719
know, in the order. Okay, but when you think about the billions

1837
02:27:50.760 --> 02:27:56.760
of dollars now invested in this,
you know, farce of a choice.

1838
02:27:58.319 --> 02:28:01.239
I mean, realistically, if you
were somebody who came in with no dog

1839
02:28:01.319 --> 02:28:05.559
in the fight, no knowledge whatsoever. If you're one of those imaginary illegals

1840
02:28:05.600 --> 02:28:07.959
that's now allowed to vote, which
you know, I don't know how you

1841
02:28:09.040 --> 02:28:13.239
get to do that, but let's
just say you just landed in America recently.

1842
02:28:13.319 --> 02:28:16.200
You're getting the chance to vote for
the first time. You've never bothered

1843
02:28:16.280 --> 02:28:20.239
to take a look at a politician, a president or anything else since you've

1844
02:28:20.280 --> 02:28:22.639
been here. And you said,
you know what, I'm gonna go vote.

1845
02:28:24.200 --> 02:28:28.520
Let me pick one of these two
guys. You look at this and

1846
02:28:28.600 --> 02:28:31.959
you say, I got this guy
over here that's in crazy land where,

1847
02:28:33.479 --> 02:28:35.319
yeah, they're trying to bust him, he's getting away with stuff. They

1848
02:28:35.399 --> 02:28:41.040
tried to shoot him. He didn't
die, you know what. Pretty interesting,

1849
02:28:41.600 --> 02:28:45.319
pretty cool, And he's supposed to
be a rich guy, and man,

1850
02:28:45.600 --> 02:28:50.120
you know, he's got a lot
of rabbit supporters. This old man

1851
02:28:50.200 --> 02:28:54.399
over here looks like he needs to
retire. And these are my only two

1852
02:28:54.520 --> 02:29:01.719
choices, you know what, I
gotta go with the orange guy, you

1853
02:29:01.799 --> 02:29:05.760
know. And the other funny thing
was you notice a couple of days after

1854
02:29:05.840 --> 02:29:09.200
Biden's meltdown on TV he had a
spray tan on two. I mean,

1855
02:29:09.440 --> 02:29:15.000
and I'm like, are you kidding
me? So anyway, Pierce, is

1856
02:29:15.040 --> 02:29:18.639
there anything you want to direct people
towards? As we quotes out here tonight,

1857
02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:22.440
I don't know what we accomplished during
this conversation except to say that it

1858
02:29:22.559 --> 02:29:28.559
seems to me like the common theme
not only is twenty twenty four the year

1859
02:29:28.639 --> 02:29:35.000
of the lawsuit and this selection farce
where look, as far as I'm concerned,

1860
02:29:35.040 --> 02:29:39.639
Trump has already won. I mean, unless he literally does drop dead

1861
02:29:39.920 --> 02:29:43.159
or something happens like that, he's
in there. As a matter of fact,

1862
02:29:43.159 --> 02:29:46.440
even if he drops dead, I'm
thinking he'll still be selected, so

1863
02:29:46.719 --> 02:29:54.040
we'll have President jd Vance is what
will happen? Right? Aka Peter til

1864
02:29:54.360 --> 02:29:58.079
aka Peter TiAl And you know,
we didn't even get into that. Maybe

1865
02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:01.760
we could talk about that next week
if you're around, But because I do

1866
02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:03.959
want to discuss that with somebody,
like all the big tech money, because

1867
02:30:05.000 --> 02:30:07.680
that's another thing prominent in RFK Junior's
campaign. Crap, I'm going in that

1868
02:30:07.799 --> 02:30:11.200
direction. Sorry, hold on,
anyway, is there anything you want to

1869
02:30:11.280 --> 02:30:16.520
direct people toward or you give them
advice about to pay attention to or anything

1870
02:30:16.559 --> 02:30:20.639
else before we close this one out? And I want to thank Larry Hancock

1871
02:30:20.040 --> 02:30:26.159
for joining me in the first hour
and talking about the current situation regarding Ukraine

1872
02:30:26.360 --> 02:30:31.760
and the history. But of course
we discussed the events of the assassination attempt

1873
02:30:31.799 --> 02:30:37.239
on Donald Trump here with Pierce Redmond
Porkins himself Porkins Policy Review dot Com.

1874
02:30:37.719 --> 02:30:39.760
The website might be a need of
updates, but of course there's a lot

1875
02:30:39.799 --> 02:30:43.600
of old material out there that is
still interesting to listen to. And who

1876
02:30:43.680 --> 02:30:48.079
knows what we'll hear from Pierce in
the future. And I'm hoping to hear

1877
02:30:48.120 --> 02:30:50.360
from you in the near future again, not just on air, by the

1878
02:30:50.399 --> 02:30:52.879
way, but just as friends.
I'd like to hear from you a little

1879
02:30:52.920 --> 02:30:56.760
more. And I know my cell
phone was shut off and stuff, so

1880
02:30:56.959 --> 02:31:01.639
sorry, but anyway, here we
are the new reality. I'm not able

1881
02:31:01.680 --> 02:31:05.639
to pay all my bills. How
about you. I don't mean you Pierson,

1882
02:31:05.760 --> 02:31:07.920
I mean well, I'm having trouble
with him too, the listeners,

1883
02:31:09.000 --> 02:31:11.879
right, we're all having trouble paying
our bills. And isn't that the key

1884
02:31:11.000 --> 02:31:16.360
issue anyway? Okay, so back
to it. Anything you want to point

1885
02:31:16.399 --> 02:31:18.959
people to or say on your way
out the door, sir, uh,

1886
02:31:18.680 --> 02:31:24.799
I guess just that that it.
I guess I would just say, uh,

1887
02:31:24.440 --> 02:31:28.879
let's pace ourselves because if this is, if this is just what we're

1888
02:31:28.920 --> 02:31:35.040
getting before the election is even really
begun, right, you know, before

1889
02:31:35.399 --> 02:31:39.120
it's like really kind of like kicked
into full gear, I guess just you

1890
02:31:39.200 --> 02:31:43.559
know, pace yourself, because who
knows what else we've got. You know,

1891
02:31:43.600 --> 02:31:48.600
we've got Elon Musk donating nearly fifty
million dollars a month to Donald Trump,

1892
02:31:50.559 --> 02:31:56.399
Peter Thiele essentially hand picking a candidate
you know, VPS so that he

1893
02:31:56.479 --> 02:31:58.559
can have it, you know,
a seat in the room. So yeah,

1894
02:31:58.559 --> 02:32:01.159
I guess, just let's pace our
sells. Let's see what else we

1895
02:32:01.319 --> 02:32:03.120
we've got, uh, you know, to kind of pop out of the

1896
02:32:03.159 --> 02:32:07.479
woodwork when it comes to you know
what, what is just a presidential election?

1897
02:32:07.920 --> 02:32:11.520
That's you know, that's all this
is. Uh So, yeah,

1898
02:32:11.559 --> 02:32:13.879
I guess I guess that's all.
That's that's sort of all I've really got.

1899
02:32:15.159 --> 02:32:16.319
And just that, you know,
I don't know, I'm still hoping

1900
02:32:16.559 --> 02:32:22.520
for, you know, are kind
of a good kind of m k ultra

1901
02:32:22.040 --> 02:32:26.239
big deep state kind of conspiracy.
Maybe maybe we'll get some kind of an

1902
02:32:26.280 --> 02:32:33.760
October surprise if we're lucky in October
surprise. If we're lucky I mean,

1903
02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:39.639
look, I I don't want to
see President Kamala. I don't want to

1904
02:32:39.920 --> 02:32:41.959
I don't want to see any of
them. I don't want to see the

1905
02:32:43.040 --> 02:32:46.079
President advance. I don't. I
know, I'm fed up. I mean,

1906
02:32:46.159 --> 02:32:50.360
I miss I miss Bernie Sanders at
this point, I mean I really

1907
02:32:50.440 --> 02:32:56.040
do. Uh did I just say
that out loud? I missed George Bush?

1908
02:32:56.680 --> 02:33:01.200
Okay, certainly, you know it
made more sense. I mean at

1909
02:33:01.280 --> 02:33:03.959
least I knew we were going to
war, you know, for sure?

1910
02:33:05.159 --> 02:33:09.159
And that was that. Oh god, I mean what, you know,

1911
02:33:09.360 --> 02:33:13.440
what direction are we going in?
I have no idea. Uh you know,

1912
02:33:13.879 --> 02:33:18.000
it was was the assassination, you
know, a completely staged uh blah

1913
02:33:18.040 --> 02:33:22.639
blah blah blah blah. No,
No, I think it's just a symptom

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02:33:24.000 --> 02:33:31.399
of what it is that we are
experiencing currently, which is a varying spectrum

1915
02:33:33.280 --> 02:33:39.520
of less than sane realities converging that. That's where I come down on it.

1916
02:33:39.600 --> 02:33:41.559
What do you think? Yeah?
And and I think also just a

1917
02:33:41.760 --> 02:33:48.840
culture of ineptitude we are you know, I can't remember there is like I

1918
02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:52.159
feel like there is a term for
this, but you know, it's like

1919
02:33:52.440 --> 02:33:56.600
rule by, like the very worst
but you know, and I think there's

1920
02:33:56.600 --> 02:34:00.520
an element of that, and there's
also just like whatever the you know,

1921
02:34:01.159 --> 02:34:05.680
rule by idiots is. I think
that's where we are. You know,

1922
02:34:05.799 --> 02:34:11.319
we give the police an insane amount
of power, and yet they can barely

1923
02:34:11.879 --> 02:34:18.840
secure you know, a twenty year
old with acne and a rifle. Same

1924
02:34:18.920 --> 02:34:20.840
thing. I mean, you know, we give all of these individuals,

1925
02:34:20.959 --> 02:34:24.719
like you know, the President,
we give them this insane amount of power,

1926
02:34:24.239 --> 02:34:28.639
and you know, it seems like
she's under control. Peter Geel is

1927
02:34:28.639 --> 02:34:33.399
in control. Yeah. So look, bottom line is I think we're looking

1928
02:34:33.440 --> 02:34:37.840
at suicide by cop. And the
only reason why this guy didn't shoot up

1929
02:34:37.879 --> 02:34:41.600
a school is because the schools are
not in session in July and the Northeast.

1930
02:34:43.200 --> 02:34:46.079
So there you go. And I
don't know if this was an f

1931
02:34:46.200 --> 02:34:50.440
you to his dad, or an
few to Trump or just a I know

1932
02:34:50.639 --> 02:34:54.040
for sure this will get me killed. I'm not certain. And we have

1933
02:34:54.200 --> 02:35:01.600
no manifesto, which again lends itself
to being not staged, not choreographed,

1934
02:35:01.760 --> 02:35:07.040
not pre arranged. But Trump was
struck by a piece of debris, and

1935
02:35:07.360 --> 02:35:09.440
he's got his celebration. I even
posted in the chat room, you know,

1936
02:35:09.600 --> 02:35:13.719
his getty image. And you know, what's another thing, just really

1937
02:35:13.799 --> 02:35:18.159
quickly as you also told us that
you know, Joe Biden is now tested

1938
02:35:18.200 --> 02:35:22.280
positive for COVID and I wasn't even
going to bring that up, but what

1939
02:35:22.399 --> 02:35:26.840
the hell, that's another thing.
Maybe that's a strategic move to get him

1940
02:35:26.840 --> 02:35:30.920
out of the public eye temporarily,
you know, just thinking, Hey,

1941
02:35:31.120 --> 02:35:35.799
I am conspiracy minded, but maybe
that's part of the reality currently. Let

1942
02:35:35.920 --> 02:35:41.959
things cool down and disappear down the
memory hole. But who knows where that

1943
02:35:41.079 --> 02:35:45.120
memory hole is going to be by
the time we get to November. I

1944
02:35:45.239 --> 02:35:48.440
think bottom line is it's still the
roar shock test. You're going to take

1945
02:35:48.520 --> 02:35:52.159
into it what you take out of
it, and that's all there is to

1946
02:35:52.319 --> 02:35:56.520
it. So Pierce, I just
hope that we survive all the way through

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02:35:56.600 --> 02:36:01.760
the rest of twenty twenty four.
And I really really wish no violence upon

1948
02:36:01.920 --> 02:36:07.319
anyone as we move forward for any
reason that is uh, you know,

1949
02:36:07.639 --> 02:36:13.399
there should be no violence against anyone, is all I'm saying, not for

1950
02:36:13.520 --> 02:36:18.120
the means that people seem to think
that that are valid. At this point.

1951
02:36:18.680 --> 02:36:24.079
A lot of people think that violence
is justified for disagreement, and that

1952
02:36:24.280 --> 02:36:28.360
to me is the saddest of all
situations. So whatever's going on here and

1953
02:36:28.479 --> 02:36:33.920
whatever rhetoric people think justifies it,
and this, you know, call for

1954
02:36:33.159 --> 02:36:41.520
unity nonsense. Nobody's calling for unity. They're just calling for galvanization of their

1955
02:36:41.680 --> 02:36:46.680
side of the equation, and that's
all there is to it. So I'll

1956
02:36:46.760 --> 02:36:48.440
leave it at that and tell you
guys, I'm merely o'celly.