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We have a very special guest,
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flat earth Files at gmail dot com. Let's get to our special guest tonight,

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and he has the podcast and YouTube
channel Awakening Truth, and I will

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have those links to his Facebook page
and his YouTube channel in the show notes

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when we're done. Please help us. Welcome John, John, how are

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you doing tonight? And I'm doing
great? How are you doing tonight?

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Great? Had a really nice conversation
before we hit the record button. A

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lot of things in common, So
why don't you kind of introduce yourself to

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our audience, sir. Yeah,
I appreciate being able to be here to

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thee. And one of the biggest
reasons why I'm doing the work that I'm

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doing is because you know, I
like to, you know, go out

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and speak, you know, truth
to people. And truth is the most

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important thing in fact, you know, it's the Bible says that it's truth

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that sets us free. Right,
that's right. And so uh anyway,

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Uh, one of the biggest reasons
why, you know, uh, or

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what draw me down the path of
truth was in the very beginning, I

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grew up in a home that was
kind of broken a little bit, and

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uh, you know, I had
to get out of that lifestyle, if

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you will, around those types of
people. And uh so I went ahead

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and one of the one of the
actually I went in to join the Navy,

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believe it or not. Yeah,
they have one of those you know,

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recruiting stations that had all the different
you know, the forces. Yeah,

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and and it was supposed to be
open. So I go to open

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the door and the door is locked, right, and nobody's in there,

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and I'm like, ah, and
of course outcomes of staff sergeant from the

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Marines right walking on hey, you
trying to see what I was up to,

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and you know it was over from
there. He convinced me, and

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you know, I went ahead and
went in and and you know, one

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of the biggest reasons why I did
it. I was twenty years old when

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I did that, was to get
away and start a new life. You

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know, I had too many problems
in that place. I had dealt with

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things that you know, did the
drug scene, all that kind of stuff

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all through high school. And I
needed I needed something to change in my

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life. And that was it.
And uh, you know, so I

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went into the Marine Corps. I
was still pretty rough and rowdy. You

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know. I struggled with alcoholism all
those years, all the way through the

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Marine Corps. After one hundred percent, you know, alcoholic all the way.

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Never gave that up. In fact, it got worse. But you

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know, one thing that happened to
me is, you know, and I

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was going to a uh this is
a pretty neat story. I was going

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to a night club. But before
I did, I drank like a lot

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of alcohol. It was it was
like a close to a whole bottle of

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tequila, you know, Because my
life was I didn't really care if I

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lived or died almost during that time. And and I walked to this nightclub

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and then on my way back,
I don't remember what happened. And I

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ended up waking up and I was
in a ditch and the ditch was right

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there next to a bridge, and
they had broken up concrete and just kind

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of keep it from, you know, eroding away. And I and I

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got up and I had blood just
everywhere, and I didn't have you know,

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I bled out a lot because I've
been drinking, and you know,

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my, uh my, your your
scalp bleeds a lot. And uh but

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I tell you, man, I
something something grabbed a hold of me and

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just drug me home. And that's
no joke. I mean it literally drug

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me home because I didn't have the
power to do it on myself. And

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my oldest daughter I was telling you
about, she actually was home whenever whenever

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I basically got drug in there and
she ended up, you know, calling

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the neighbor. They took me to
the hospital. Of course, they had

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no mercy on me because I was
drunk, and you know, you go

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to a hospital, they don't care. But they stapled my head closed and

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all that kind of stuff. But
you know, when I came to I

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realized something something happened to me that
night and I couldn't explain it, and

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I knew something had happened. And
I grew up in church as a kid.

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I never believed it. I always
was rebel against it. I didn't

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want to have anything to do with
it. I was picked on in school

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and I was picked on in the
church. It didn't matter, you know

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it, And so I didn't want
to have anything to do with that.

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But I knew something had happened to
me, and I didn't like I kind

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of deep down knew it was the
Lord. But you know, it's one

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of those things where you just kind
of let it go, you know,

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and then you continue. And later
on I actually did finally quit drinking alcohol,

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and I realized I was married.
My previous wife was was not you

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know, she was doing things that
were not good, and and I ended

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up leaving that situation and later I
ended up, you know, finding the

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Lord. But uh, but what
happened was is I uh, I decided

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to take a walk out because I
knew I was I was, that marriage

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was over, and and I took
a walk. I was living in Bisell,

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California at the time, and Uh, I went into this bar,

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I started shooting some pool I hadn't
I wouldn't drinking anything. But it's just

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the place I was comfortable with.
I've you know, been in bars for

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years. Sure, and uh I
heard something and it was the first and

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really the last, like truly audible
voice I'd heard from the Lord. And

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he said, John choose and and
at that moment I knew who it was

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and and and what he was saying
to me, I mean, all at

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once, and I'm like, oh
wow, the Lord Israel. And I

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start thinking on that time, you
know where where I got drug? Out

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of there? You know, and
you know, I believe it was an

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angel. I mean, that's just
what I believe today. In fact,

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there's no doubt in my mind because
I couldn't have done it on my own.

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But I went ahead and went to
a A A an institution of institutional

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churches. Uh and it was a
great big one. I watched them,

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uh you know, build this thing, and but I really felt that's where

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I was supposed to go. So
I went. And the story goes like

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this. You know, I went
that Wednesday night and they had a great

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big you know, because this thing
holds like three thousand people, and they

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had a big worship service, even
on Wednesday night. It was a big

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worship service. And I never heard
when I went to church. It was

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like somebody got up led song show
and that was about it. You know,

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that was about it. Most of
them couldn't sing. And but anyway,

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these people were like it was it
was a performance. Yeah, it

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was. It was really good.
I was like, wow, these guys

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are really good. But I mean, you know, I didn't really feel

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any present. I mean, it
was a good presence, it just wasn't

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like, like, you know,
the presence of the Lord. I guess

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now that I'm looking back on it. But and I went out. Nothing

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really happened that night. And I
but as I went out, the guy

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at the little desk he said,
hey, why don't you come back tomorrow.

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It's a young adult. This is
I was twenty nine, So I

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figured out I could still be called
a young adult. And now I look

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back, I was definitely young an
adult. But I came back on Thursday

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night and and and there was this
guy there that was a guest. He

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was his name was Sean Smith,
and he was a he was a black

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guy, and he was from Los
Angeles, down down, you know,

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not too far from where I was
at, maybe what two and a half

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hour drive or something like that,
three hour drive and uh, but he

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worked at a local place there in
Los Angeles that was in the city.

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So there's a lot of things going
on in Los Angeles. I don't know

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if you ever been to Los Angeles
or not, but I've been through there

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several times that I've never spot spent
a whole lot of time there, so

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you know, though it's it's the
concrete jungle is indeed. But anyway,

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he was talking about how he had
a day a day off, right,

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he had a day off or I
shouldn't say a day off, a night

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off where he was married. He
was a young guy who was married,

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and he decided that, you know, he wanted to get home early,

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and he, you know, he
didn't want to have to deal with church

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stuff because he was big in the
church system. And so he got out

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into the parking lot and he wanted
to go for his car, and of

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course this is in you know,
downtown Los Angeles, and he saw a

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man there and he was wearing a
trench coat and as he was wearing that

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trench coat. He said to himself, Florda, I don't want to deal

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with this. Can I just go
home? Because he figured there was something

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to happen, you know, he
was homeless people, that kind of thing.

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And he said as soon as he
said that, that guy start walking

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towards him. And he's like,
okay, now, mind you. I'm

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in the back of this this room, in the very back, just listening

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to this guy talk right. Nobody
really around me. Everybody was sitting in

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front of me and just listening to
this. And as I was listening to

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this, this the story continues,
he goes, yeah, this guy came

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up to me. And as he
approached me, I can see that he

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was an older man, that he
had real leathery skin. You could tell

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he was definitely homeless. And he
opened up his his trench coat and he

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had a pistol in his hand,
and he looked at him and he said

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he pointed the pistol right at him. He says, you got about fifteen

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seconds to tell me, you know
why I shouldn't kill you and myself right

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now, because I'm done with life. And actually I should say before that,

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he said, he asked him if
he was a pastor, you know,

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a pastor. And he said,
yes, I am. And he

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says, well, and he said
he was scared to death. He started

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because he knew the guy was real. You could tell that it wasn't a

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joke. You could tell the guy
had a hard life and it wouldn't be

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hard for somebody like that just to
end his life and in his life.

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And he started, he started getting
real, you know, fearful, and

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he and he the guy was running
out of pace and he says, look,

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look, there's a there's a sandwich
shop right down right here on the

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other side of this road. Can
we go? Can I? Can I

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buy you a sandwich? And so
he agreed to do it, I guess.

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And they went in there and he
says, no, no place.

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If I want to know, you
know, what is the purpose? Why

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are we even here? Why should
we be living? And you know,

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he's like, he starts saying things, well, Jesus died for you and

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all the normal Christian you know,
verbiage that everybody hears. And and it

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was he's like, man, I
heard all that. What you need to

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talk to me for real? And
and uh, I guess. By that

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time, the sandwich had came out
because it's just a cold sandwich. Didn't

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take very long. And they set
it down and he looked up and he

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realized he wanted to pray for the
three. And he realized that's one thing

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he didn't do, was pray.
There's power in prayer, Yes there is.

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And uh. When he said that, I'm sitting back there, and

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I'm telling you, George, I
was sitting there. I can I can

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feel it right now. I mean, there was an overwhelming presence of God

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that was on me, that was
so strong, and it's like it reached

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inside and grabbed a hold of my
spine and I was I couldn't move,

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I couldn't move and Tearstar there's nobody
around me. Tearstart coming down my eyes

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and I'm like, what's going on? I never felt this before. And

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I could hear what he was saying
still, and he said he closed his

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eyes and he said, Lord,
I don't know what to do here.

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I need your help. Bless this
food in Jesus name. And he looked

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up and he looked at that man
and he's seeing that tears were flowing down

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his eyes and he said, what
are you doing to me? He says,

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what do you mean? He says, I can't move. I feel

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like something's got a hold of me, and it's got a hold of my

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spine. I mean, he described
the exact same feeling that the Lord had

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in me. And from that day, George, I've been following the Lord

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like nobody's business. I love him. He is the most important thing to

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me. Nothing else matters. I
met my wife there. She was there

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for a reason. She'll tell you
that. You know, before she came

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to California, she's from Ohio.
Before she came to California, told her

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that she was going to go meet
her husband. And she she found me

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this this broken man. You know
that. Sorry, No, that's good,

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brother, that's so yeah, that's
a that's an incredible story. It's

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just well, I mean it's my
story, it's it's the Lord's absolutely and

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she she was, you know,
perfect, and and she came into my

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life. And but but that was
a little bit later. But the Lord

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he got a hold and and I
didn't have anybody telling me anything. The

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Lord he just he let me know
who he was. And it was that

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point right there, you know,
I got I felt a call of ministry

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of my life. You know,
I met my wife there. Everywhere I

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go, she'd be there and it
wasn't again three thousand people actually had two

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services and and and the auditor roum
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and they'd fill three half three quarters
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the one of the pastors that was
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should go to this group. I
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know, none of that, And
so I met my wife. We ended

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up, you know, getting married
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we moved to Ohio and we've been
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but you know, I mean ministry
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know, not not. I don't
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a calling. So you know,
the work of the Lord has always been

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strong on all of our all of
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reason why she was in California is
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was touring with the Celebrant Singers,
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like Lawrence Welk style singing uh uh
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very talented and I think they still
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based out of ISA, and she
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of of working in the office and
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you know, we were married.
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the churches. She was the worship
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part of this institutional church. And
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was doing anything wrong. My heart
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what I That's what I knew the
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we got to the point where we
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time I've been working in maintenance.
I went into maintenance management. I've been

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doing turning wrenches professionally for you know, thirty years, or or leading men

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to turn riches, you know,
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before, but during this time,
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to, uh, there's a place
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to have that name, but there
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of God. It's it's actually based
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it's about an hour and a half
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to Assembly got churches and uh I
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minister and they denied me because I
got divorced, you know before really and

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yeah they did, and that was
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by laws to to make it alliable. But the guy that was over the

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the Ohio District council, uh,
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too it was too it was it
was politics. It was too much of

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a political decision to let me do
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and so he denied it. And
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non denominational church and became affiliated with
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was a lot of good work there. And uh but anyway, we went.

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I went there, we moved back
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the Simley God Church and they were
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you to be a pastor now,
we want you to do it. And

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it's actually getting to the point where
you know, I was likely going to

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take over for this decent, beautiful, you know church as as their pastors.

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This guy's getting ready to retire,
and I thought, maybe, yeah,

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I'm going to I'm going to make
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to to do all these things that
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wanted to do. It was me. It was the flesh, right,

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it wasn't it wasn't the calling of
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you know, it's what it's what
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so I was going to do that, and I was going through all the

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process. We already went through the
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you can be a part of this
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that time that I start really fundamentally
going back and researching the Bible, actually

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researching, not because I you know, I went through that seminary section of

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things. I decided I'm just going
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I'm just going to read the Word
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beginning and I start learning about Neflim
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that stuff previous to this. But
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to the to the to the beginning
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of course, right, and immediately
as I was reading this, it

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said, you know, on day
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right, right, And then I
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there, and then I start reading
about this firment thing, and I'm like,

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what is it? What is it? Firm really? You know,

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because they don't teach you that,
and and at least not in the first

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part. So seminary maybe if you
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did not, but uh, you
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kind of get taught to read through. Oh it's it's just the air,

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it's the expanse. It's just that's
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I was trying to figure out what
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at the rakia and the raka and
all the all the meanings that that that

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those are the you know, the
descriptions of those. I'm like, WHOA,

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I don't understand that either. I
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That just doesn't make sense. And
then I got on and I start

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reading about you know, how the
sun wasn't even created till the fourth day,

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and I start scratching my head and
I'm like, where did the light

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come from? Well, live in
somebody toy, you know, Oh it's

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Jesus. Like, well, it
says right there, and you know that

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there was light and then there was
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Jesus is light. I'm not going
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not what he's talking about here.
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creation. And actually I can back
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think Genesis is the creation of all
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Genesis chapter one, verse two and
after is the genesis of mankind. By

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the way, I don't believe.
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sense. And so I stopped and
I go, Lord, what does this

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mean? I don't understand. And
you know, I didn't hear like the

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voice I did when I was saying
because I needed to hear that. You

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know, that's kind of like Jesus
walking up, you know, to Tom

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was saying, put your hands on
my fingers. This time, I just

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knew what he was talking about and
he brought back a time whenever I was

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in the Marine Corps, and so
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in Colorado whenever I went in the
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Coast. I was in California and
first Phase boot camps and MC already San

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Diego. Second Phase boot camp is
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San Diego County. It's kind of
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California. R and uh but anyway, uh, there there was a very

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vivid picture came to my mind that
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we used to do. They in
the Marines called it humps. I don't

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know why this is what they call
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get all your gear on you go. You don't go walk and you go

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run basically with all the gear,
you know, and you know, the

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dro and we went up all the
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Reaper is what they called it.
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there, and then you come back
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you're in the sand. Of course, sand is difficult as enough. And

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that was the last leg of this
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and you're feeling you're at the last
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you're still gonna keep going, getting
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I noticed something in the background that
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ninety three had a it was one. It was rainy, it was it

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was I can't went in October.
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that colder month time and it rained
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was weird. California didn't have that
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El Nino or something. But it
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know, someone come out. And
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off all that you know, pollution
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walking out on the beach sand, you

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know, in the sand. So
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six eight feet off the off the
ocean level and seeing two big beautiful islands

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and that those islands was it sand? Was it San Clemente Island? It

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was one and what was the other
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it, but it's out there,
and he and he put those islands in

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my mind, because I remember when
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was in severe pain, it made
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beautiful, and uh, I was
like, wow, those are they look

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their mountain islands, you know,
they kind of look around me of Gilligan's

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an impression on me. And he
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I got on there, I start
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in distances. And I looked at
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I knew that the earth was flat
because you couldn't see those things from where

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I was standing if there was a
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I don't know. So what I
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you know, and Daniel, it
talks about that the Lord will you know,

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give more knowledge. You know,
he will wipe the scales basically off

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our eyes so we can see the
things that we need to see as people

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who love him in order to be
able to deal with the times in which

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we're living. You know, you're
here, I'm here for the for the

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reason of going after truth, so
people can be aware of what's going on

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in the world in which they live, so that more can come to the

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Kingdom of Heaven. And so he
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realized it was and then I start
looking. I mean, I start hitting

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up that this is before YouTube was, you know, all the algorithms just

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just punched it down. There was
all kinds of good stuff. I picked

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up a Rob's CIBA video of his
and he did one where he did one

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with Dean Otle together. He took
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And then I learned about Dean and
and then I, you know, watched

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a whole bunch of his videos,
and I learned a lot from that guy,

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uh more than I have from any
other quote unquote pastor. And and

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that that that's kind of how I
walked down that flat Earth journey and I

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and I knew whenever all that happened, that kind of going back to that

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original conversation, I could not,
in good consciousness, you know, agree

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to be a pastor over this church
with all this understanding of true biblical well

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just big biblical truth, because I
knew that that congregation would have nothing to

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do with it. I'd be fired
before I was before the service was over.

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They'd be escort you out of the
building. Yeah, that board would

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be like get out, you know, And and that was and I was

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just fine with that. So I'll
shut up for a second. Let you

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talk, because now that all great
points and incredible stories. A couple of

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things I did want to touch on, going back to the very beginning.

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It's interesting all the people that you
meet in the military, many of the

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people including myself, uh more over
the second time I joined because I had

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a break in service and went back
in. It is people that are looking

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for fresh starts that have maybe I've
said this many times, being a young

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man in America and and if you
want a college education, getting in debt,

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just the quandaries you deal with as
a young man. A lot of

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people do look at the military as
you know, being given a second chance.

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And for me it certainly was because
at that time I needed the military

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more than the military needed me.
And like like you, it led me

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to my wife, you know,
twenty three, twenty four years ago.

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So it's certainly a blessing in disguise, and for me obviously, as you

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get older and since I've retired,
you kind of come to learn what the

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military industrial complex and the people who
are at the top of our food chain.

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But at the end of the day, I wouldn't people always say,

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which if you could go back,
would you change anything. I would never

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change anything that in my life.
I think our path has been forged for

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us. Everybody has different paths because
I think some of us really need to

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go to the bottom and come back
up for us to really realize how things

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work and what it means to be
responsible and just to gain whiz game wisdom.

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Many of the things that I come
to understand today is because of the

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mistakes I've made earlier in my life. Would you agree with that? Absolutely?

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Man, Absolutely, And I would
never ever take back my time in

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the military, and a lot of
it had most of it, in fact,

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just about every bit of it was
just the brotherhood. You know,

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those guys that you just love them, you know, and you do anything

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for them, you know that they
would do anything for you. That that

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you know. That part of the
military. I love, Yeah, I

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love it even today. And I'm
sure there's a lot of that in like

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the in the police forces and so
on and so forth. Those types of

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people that are still doing it for
those right reasons, you know, God

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bless them. You know, I
love them. I'm with you, though

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I I'm very cynical about the level
of leadership you know that that controls them.

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Now. I tell my kids do
not go in the military. And

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it's not because I don't want them
to be, uh, you know,

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patriotic, you know, but patriotism
is is the way the way that I

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see it now is it's it's like
a drug, right, you know,

413
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.240
It's what what are we being patriotic
about? You know, they don't nothing

414
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.359
is truthful in that whole grand scheme
of things. And you know, my

415
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.759
my position on a lot of that
stuff is a lot like yours. I

416
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:30.119
think in that you know, in
fact, I go back to things like,

417
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:37.119
uh, I think that the United
States of America was founded and developed,

418
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:44.160
you know, for the purpose of
doing what it's doing now. And

419
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.480
I think I thought you thought that. I figured you did because you know,

420
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.440
the the ties to freemasonry and all
that. My dad was a Freemason.

421
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.920
By the way I was that was
that was probably one of the bondages

422
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.160
that was on my life. Those
those uh, what do you call it?

423
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:00.880
Generational curses. Yeah, those come
from that, you know, and

424
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.599
Jesus could break them, right,
So if you're out there and you're listening,

425
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.720
Jesus could break those generational curses like
that. But you have to be

426
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.119
willing to do so, right,
You have to be willing to give those

427
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.720
things up. But uh, you
know I have I have in my family,

428
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.000
like most of my family's from Texas, and you know, some of

429
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:26.000
those ancestors of mine, uh,
they have Texas State historical markers is on

430
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.960
my mom's side, and they're they're
they're they're the what do you call them,

431
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:37.200
They're like the Washington Monument. I
call them Dallas, right, Yeah.

432
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.279
So I don't know if that's proper
to say, no, it's it's

433
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.680
what it is. And their freemason
galore and they were top of the food

434
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:47.599
chain and in the government in Texas
at the founding of the state. And

435
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.680
I realized that, you know,
they were part of that. You know

436
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.880
that that's a and so is you
know, most of our forefathers, if

437
00:28:53.920 --> 00:29:00.079
not all of them, but probably
a good line's share of them. So

438
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.240
now when I think about military and
I think about the controllers, you know

439
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:11.319
it it makes me angry. It's
a righteous anger, I think. But

440
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.799
the way that I respond is trying
to get the truth out, because if

441
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.599
people know the truth, then that's
how things will change, you know,

442
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.640
if they're going to change. I
mean, the Lord's going to have his

443
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.319
will and his in his you know
design, if you will, He's got

444
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.279
his schedule, He's going to keep
it. You know, he listens to

445
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.759
you. He says, if my
people, you know, who are calling,

446
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.400
if we if we bow out and
we've asked for forgiveness, He's going

447
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.480
to do it. You know,
look it through the Book of King in

448
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.480
the Book of Kings. But you
know, eventually they did go into captivity.

449
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.720
So it's going to happen, you
know. And and and maybe this

450
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.839
is the time that it's going to
happen towards the end, you know,

451
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.359
like the you know, the things
called for during the last days, you

452
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.240
know, and Matthew chapter twenty four. Everything Jesus said is happening like right

453
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.319
now. And that's where I'm like, I want to tell people. And

454
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.359
it's not so much that I want
to stop it or or you know,

455
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.480
because I kind of do. But
then again, my my bigger concern is

456
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.599
is that people know it, so
they're ready, so they can declare truth,

457
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.480
and so they can be a light
because the light is always going to

458
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:22.079
be a lot more pronounced in the
what in the darkness, that's right.

459
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.960
So that's that's, that's that's one
of the things that I want to do

460
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.400
is be a light to the world, you know, as much as I

461
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.160
can. And in the reality is, though most people don't want to hear

462
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:34.960
it, man, I mean,
it's there's there's a there's a good number

463
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.599
of people that do, don't get
me wrong, But if you look at

464
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.279
percentage wise the people that listen to
these types of things, it's it's a

465
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.839
very tiny percent of of of the
grand people. Whenever I talk to people

466
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.319
that I used to minister to that
I was their quote unquote pastor. And

467
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:52.200
when I talk to him about it
now, man, they're running out the

468
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.960
door and you don't even you'll hear
the door shut behind them because they're runn

469
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.839
away cause they don't want to hear
it. They just don't want to hear

470
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.079
it. No, not at all. And earlier you had mentioned when you

471
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:08.440
were contemplating getting the pastor, and
you had mentioned part time full time when

472
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.799
we talk about continuing education. There's
a lot of occupations out there that require

473
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.440
X amount of hours of continuing education
every year, whether it be nurses,

474
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.960
doctors, and even in the military, if you want to go forward in

475
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:27.240
the ranks and get promoted, you
have to do continuing education types of classes.

476
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:32.200
But I will tell you that being
that, there is no such thing

477
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.319
as being a part time pastor,
which I think you would concur to because

478
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:41.640
you are always learning. The Bible
is a big book, and it is

479
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.680
a book where someone I can read
a verse, you can read a verse,

480
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.519
and we could come to different thoughts
on what that verse means. And

481
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.720
you take that time as an entire
congregation, and then you have people coming

482
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.000
to you with marital problems, and
it is I mean, I think I've

483
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.000
mentioned this before. I kind of
tingred with it like you did as well.

484
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.640
Well, it's a huge responsibility,
and I'm not sure if some pastors

485
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.160
even realize it until they step through
the door and start being a pastor.

486
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.480
What are your thoughts on that?
Well, and and and so so.

487
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:19.759
One of the biggest things that that
I believe that even a lot of people

488
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.079
in the truth community may or may
not believe, is that I don't even

489
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:27.480
believe the term pastor is a biblical
term. And I'm not saying when I

490
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.119
say that, I mean as being
called a pastor, pastor so and so

491
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.880
or or you know that sort of
thing. And the reason why I say

492
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:44.599
that is because everything in the Bible
talks about having a ministry, talks about

493
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:49.759
having men. Usually it's talking about
men, but I think there could be

494
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.440
women. I'm not saying that,
and that's not I don't want to go

495
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:59.640
down that sabit trail. But there's
leaders in the church. And the way

496
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:06.359
that the Bible puts it is it's
a plurality. There's elders up. That's

497
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:12.839
right. And I and I see
the term pastor. The pastor is in

498
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:16.559
the Greek it's it's it means shepherd, right, and it's used I think

499
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:22.559
like really one time, and what
I think where you have this like,

500
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.480
let me back up a little bit. I don't think there's anywhere in the

501
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.720
Bible. And you could show it
to me if you can find it,

502
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:34.200
but there's nowhere in the Bible where
there's this you know, uh uh,

503
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:39.160
somebody who has higher authority than you, where you have the clergy type and

504
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:44.079
the lady there's nothing in the Bible
that says that you'll have a man stand

505
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:49.319
on a pulpit while everybody sits down
in a congregation in a you know,

506
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:54.839
in these chairs and is quiet and
not participating. First Corinthians, chapter fourteen

507
00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:00.559
talks about what we do whenever we
get together, and Paul says very clearly

508
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.559
that everybody brings things to the table. Everybody has brings a word, everybody

509
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:10.320
brings, and that that would that
would also uh uh, kind of assume

510
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.440
that whenever you're talking about meeting together
as the Saints, you're meeting together in

511
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.199
a family setting. If you if
you look at what they talked about in

512
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.239
the Bible, they went to house
to house, right, and they would

513
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.960
they would they would talk to people
on a smaller level. And I think

514
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.840
that's the way. I think that's
the Biblical role is in model is is

515
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:36.679
to have real relationships with people.
You go into one of these bigger even

516
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.280
even if it's one hundred and fifty
people, you really have a hard time,

517
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.440
you know, getting to know every
single one of those persons and be

518
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:53.400
really accountable. I could tell you
that every single solitary church system that I've

519
00:34:53.400 --> 00:35:01.599
been involved with has had sexual immorality, has had divorce rates that are high,

520
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.440
has had uh, you know,
just my wife whenever she was when

521
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.119
we were going to a church in
Ohio, the pastor wouldn't stop flirting with

522
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.159
her. And she she's so she
my wife is is pure and innocent,

523
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.559
and and uh, she just didn't
even pick up on it. And it

524
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.360
was his wife that ended up telling
us about it. And what he was

525
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.519
doing was he's spelling words like wow
with Eminem's on her desk because she was

526
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.280
she was doing the worship good grief, I mean, And that was just

527
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.920
that, that was just one example. The next church that he went to,

528
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:42.440
the guy, you know, he
he divorced his wife and married the

529
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.400
other one, and and and and
and if you look at you know who

530
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.719
who everybody's talking about right now,
this Locke, he did the same thing.

531
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.519
And you know the church that I
went to that I married, that

532
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.480
I met my wife, and way
back when I got saved, he did

533
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:59.920
the same thing. He did the
same thing. And and and the reason

534
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.480
why is because from a biblical standpoint, and I can, I can.

535
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:06.360
I don't know that we have time
to go through every one of these.

536
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.119
You can, you can look it
up on our shows. But you know

537
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:14.960
it talks about how you know,
nobody has the pre eminence over anybody.

538
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.880
It's it's it's a family situation where
you have people that are coming together as

539
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.639
a family, being accountable to each
other and meeting and in such a way

540
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:30.760
that there's transparency, love, eating, fellowship, dining and and and then

541
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:36.119
discussions, and you think about it. Jesus said this, He said,

542
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.719
you know, uh to the church, because if you look, you look

543
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.840
at all through what who who do? He came against all in the gospel

544
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.880
messages. He came against the church, and those were the church. It's

545
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.880
it's it's nothing nothing new under the
sun, right. He told them,

546
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:57.639
you're putting your traditions over the word
of God. You're putting your traditions over

547
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:01.880
what the Lord knows or what you
know the Lord says is true. And

548
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.920
you're you're putting them up above all
these things. You want to have the

549
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.000
pre eminence, you want want to
have the dominance. Well, Jesus said

550
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.760
to the disciples, whenever they were
sitting there arguing over each other, who's

551
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.519
going to be the best, he
says, don't be like those guys.

552
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.760
He said, you know, don't
call any man rabbi. Rabbi means teacher.

553
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.840
Teacher is is no different than you
know, uh, what we would

554
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.239
call somebody like myself today, don't
call them master. One is your teacher.

555
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.199
One is your master. That's Christ. So what we're what we are

556
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:37.599
to do as as as elders people
that are overseering, is we come together,

557
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.559
iron to iron, sharpening each other, holding each other accountable, and

558
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:49.320
having discussions and saying, okay,
here's the word, let's discuss it.

559
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.639
Let's you know, I don't need
to sit I can't. I can't do

560
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.320
it hardly. I'll be honest.
I can't sit in a in a in

561
00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:01.360
a pew very easily and just have
one person have a monologue that I can't

562
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.639
have a discussion with. That's not
right. And I know I'm doing it

563
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.000
to you now, so please forgive
me. But it's just I'm just trying

564
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:14.280
to help you understand what I'm not
get And as you were talking and describing

565
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.760
that, I was just picturing what
an awesome service that would be where everybody

566
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:22.480
came together and broke bread. And
tonight's topic is X and everybody. You

567
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.079
let everybody include their thoughts because you're
right. Listen. One of the first

568
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:29.719
college classes I ever took was public
speaking, and the biggest thing, the

569
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.079
very first thing they teach you is
that you have X amount of time to

570
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:36.320
get people's attention. Otherwise they're gone, they're lost, they're gone. Yeah,

571
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.960
And if you're just having a one
way conversation for twenty thirty sometimes an

572
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.480
hour, you're more than likely to
lose people. But if you include people,

573
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.920
if you have a conversation, people
are going to be more involved,

574
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.719
They're going to be you know,
there's just so much positive things that come

575
00:38:53.719 --> 00:39:00.400
out of a conversation versus a lecture. Right, that's right, that's right,

576
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.559
and so like. But when you
when you think about the institution.

577
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:09.000
So I actually went back and I
talked to one of one of these pastors.

578
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:13.280
I'm not gonna mention names, doesn't
matter. And I and I looked

579
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.360
at this guy and I told him, I said, look, you've got

580
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:22.199
this million, million and a half
dollar property here. You got people coming

581
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.840
in there, and you're and you're
hammering on them to give, give,

582
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.400
give, because you're giving to the
lord. And I said, you know,

583
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.519
if I remember correctly, in the
Book of Acts, it said they

584
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:40.039
sold what they needed to sell in
order to make sure everybody's needs were met.

585
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.760
So as answer me this question,
why don't you sell that building?

586
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.519
Take that money, put it into
funds, and so every person that comes

587
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.639
up, they can't pay their bill. You pay their bill. Oh we

588
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:53.519
can't do that, Well why not
we we won't have anywhere to meet?

589
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:58.079
Yes you will. People have homes, people have buildings, people have outbuildings,

590
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:02.039
people have whatever. What what I
sat down whenever I was a board

591
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:07.119
member at a certain church, the
overhead for that facility, and it was

592
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.719
it was paid for the overhead,
and this was in two thousand and four.

593
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.960
The overhead was like thirty thousand dollars
a month, and that paid for

594
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.719
a secretary, that paid for the
senior pastor salary, It paid for the

595
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.480
youth pastor salary thirty thous and then
you had the of course the electric gas

596
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.400
and all this stuff. Thirty thousand
dollars a month. If not, that

597
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.960
place was going in the going in
the red. And then what did you

598
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.320
have to do? You had to
have a business model and have a have

599
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:43.199
board meetings and do all this business
that I do business now and in a

600
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.639
maintenance fashion. But it's still in
management, you do business, and that's

601
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.079
all that was. In fact,
the reason why I can do a lot

602
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.760
of the business things that I do
today is because I learned all those business

603
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.960
models while in the business church.
And that's just the truth. That's where

604
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.039
I got a lot of my experience
was dealing with churches, because that's what

605
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:06.559
it is. It's a corporate entity. And and but what I'm getting at

606
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.199
though, is is I and I
tried to explain this, and I'm trying

607
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:13.760
to explain it to all your listeners
as well. Who's to say that that

608
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.719
institute has to have anything to do
with it? Who's to say that that's

609
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.760
God's house? In fact, Jesus
said when this is what I was trying

610
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:25.039
to get out a minute ago,
that he said, this temple will be

611
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:30.360
brought down, destroyed, and how
where we rebuild it in three days?

612
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:37.480
So who's the temple? Where does
Jesus reside? Where does his Holy spirit

613
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.679
reside? Does it reside in that
building in your heart? Or does it

614
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.000
reside right here? That's right,
so right now where two of the more

615
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.360
gathered those I mean, we are
having church. You cannot go to church.

616
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:54.239
That is a nonsensical statement. Church
is where his believers are. That

617
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.559
is church. And if you decide
right now, like you and I,

618
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.239
let's say, you know what,
let's do this, John, Let's go

619
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:07.000
over and let's run to the you
know, the store and buy three turkeys

620
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.880
and just go over to the poorest
side of the neighborhood and give it to

621
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.559
these people. Is that given to
the Lord? Or is it giving this

622
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.840
money to this building so they can
have air conditioned and cushy seats. Yeah,

623
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.559
you see what I'm saying. Jesus
said I'm going to destroy this town.

624
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.559
He didn't want us to rebuild it, but we've done it anyway.

625
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.320
That whole governmental system you think about, You think about what you know about

626
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.960
the military. You think about what
is the purpose of government. It's to

627
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.599
have order over you, law over
you, government over you. Well,

628
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.559
the reason why five oh one C
three's are so prominent, and the reason

629
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.519
why they promote the churches, even
though they say they go after them,

630
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.840
but they really don't, especially if
they're these megachurch or even small churches trying

631
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.320
to be a megachurch. The reason
why they don't go after them, the

632
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:57.960
reason why they give them tax free
stuff. They can go out and buy

633
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.320
whatever they want tax free, and
all this stuff is because they're subsidizing it.

634
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.440
And the reason why they do that
is because a church organization at institute

635
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.519
is there as another form of government
over the people, that suppresses the people.

636
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.199
You sit in your chair, you
listen to what they have to say,

637
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.840
you pay your hell insurance in their
tithe and then you go out and

638
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.559
you smile and you go to work
and you're a good worker and you do

639
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:28.559
your your slave. It's what you
are, You're a slave, and they

640
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:34.840
want that. That's that's that's the
desire of the what I call the like

641
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:39.000
you know, I Metallica, the
master of puppets. That's what the master

642
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.639
wants. And who is that master? And then you got to ask yourself

643
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.960
what is the roots of those institutional
churches? Where is it starting? Where

644
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.320
you have somebody And I was that
guy, by the way, I have

645
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.480
preached and taught off off of pulpits
many many, many many times. And

646
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.199
you know, so I'm just as
guilty. So I'm not I'm not putting

647
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.320
people down. I have to repent
from those things. But you know,

648
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:07.000
but what where does that come from? It doesn't come from the Bible.

649
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:08.360
I can tell you that you could
look for it. The only time in

650
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:13.159
the Bible I've ever seen anything where
people gather is an evangelical movement. Where

651
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.960
like Peter whenever he went out,
he went out to the lost, and

652
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.719
he spoke to all the masses and
many thousands of people got saved. That's

653
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.760
an evangelical movement. That's not the
church. The church is the people that

654
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:29.119
are the believers, right, So
that's that. That's not this. So

655
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.039
you think about it in those terms, it's like, wait a minute,

656
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.159
where did it come from? Well, it comes from the Catholic Church.

657
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.800
I can tell you if you can
go back through church history. You have

658
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.000
the we know the Bible, you
need to do what we tell you.

659
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:45.280
And and all these church gods simaly
God, you know, any any of

660
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:52.119
the more of liturgical denominations, you
know, Presbyterian, all those Lutheran.

661
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.159
In fact, Martin Luther would probably
lose his mind if you saw what the

662
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:00.159
Lutheran Church is today, but it
is he would. But but all that

663
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.599
comes and it's it's it's systemic from
the Catholic Church. And what is the

664
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.199
Catholic Church. Catholic Church is what
former room, right, Roman Catholic Church

665
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:15.000
didn't go away. It just reinvented
itself, right, and this is true.

666
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.199
And so that's that part. And
I want to throw this out there.

667
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:21.320
I know, I'm trying to shove
a whole bunch of stuff because I

668
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:22.719
don't know. I want you guys
to hear this, because that's just my

669
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.360
heart, you know. So we
say and and then we talked about,

670
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:30.199
well, who's the one that's controlling
Well, according to you know, the

671
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:35.880
Book of Revelation, chapter seventeen,
we talks about this mystery Babylon and they

672
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.960
are They are the merchants. They
are the ones that have all the money.

673
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:43.360
They are the ones that the nations, you know, love because they

674
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.159
drink of her fornication and her filthiness. Right, who is she? You

675
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.239
know? And I think you might
know because you you It's really interesting And

676
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.480
I really appreciate this because I've never
even heard of this gentleman that you that

677
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:01.000
you started playing on these classic audios
and that's text, Mars. He's awesome.

678
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.079
Yeah, And I've never heard of
him. And this, this is

679
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.880
the honest truth until you until you
introduced him to me, uh, you

680
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:09.480
know, through your show, and
I started listening to him, and I'm

681
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.679
sitting here going this guy is doing, is saying exactly what I'm saying.

682
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:15.639
And he said it way before I'm
saying it. You know, So this

683
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.840
guy was in the know way back
in the day. And all it does

684
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.320
is gives me confirmation that it's not
just me that's that witness, right,

685
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.039
and others I've heard this type of
thing. It's good to have a witness.

686
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:30.320
But you know he talks about it
too. But that mystery back home

687
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.320
on we think about, we think
about who did Christ come against? He

688
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.440
came against a group of leaders.
Who was those leaders? It was the

689
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:45.239
Scribes, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Sanhedrin. Right, he called

690
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:50.519
them what a pit of vipers?
He said their father was who your father

691
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.280
is? The father is Satan.
He says that, He says, you're

692
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:58.039
your father is Satan? So what
does that? What does that mean these

693
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:02.639
people are? They're Satanists. That's
right. People don't even think about it

694
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.039
that way. If you get on
a pulpit and you say that, people

695
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:12.119
lose in their mind those those people
that were the church were Satanists. Now

696
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.119
Satanist it has you know, it's
kind of like what you say about the

697
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.159
left and the right, it comes
from this two wings on the same bird.

698
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:22.280
Right, it's no different Satanists,
his, the Freemasonry, you know,

699
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:28.519
the other things like what's a good
another good example, the Mormons or

700
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.199
you know all you know, Uh, they're all kind of like feathers coming

701
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:37.840
back into that same body Satan ultimately. But the one who has control at

702
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.679
that time until now is the Babylonian
Horne. I say, well, who

703
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:45.400
is this? Well, the mystery
Babylon, uh, you know was you

704
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.079
know, they knew who it was
because or I'm saying the original Babylon.

705
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.800
They knew who it was because they
were they went into captivity and then they

706
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.679
came back right. But after that
there was this mysterious Babylon that was keeping

707
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.079
them what in captivity, you know? And who was keeping in captivity?

708
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.639
Well, Jesus tells us he called
him the Synagogua of Satan in the Book

709
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:09.639
of Revelation Revelations to who was that? That was the Zionist Jews. It

710
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:17.559
was the ones that are still alive
today. They and I I mean I

711
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:21.320
see it, I see it in
everything They've got their hands at all.

712
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.840
They are that mystery Babylon. They
are you you you played that uh you

713
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.880
said, I don't know about what's
going on over you know, with Palestinians

714
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.519
and and and those guys, and
and I listened to texts and talking about

715
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.280
these genealogies. How these people aren't
even really descendants in Abraham. You know,

716
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:44.199
that's awesome because it's true. It's
so true. Those they're they're fake,

717
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.480
they're they're they're not the real people
that that that. I went to

718
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.519
Tennessee, uh on a business trip, and I walk in there and they

719
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.800
got all these I support Israel,
you know, and then they got I

720
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.280
love Jesus and asked me for a
free Bible. But it's Israel. It's

721
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.920
programming. It's programming. And it's
interesting. If I can inject something real

722
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.880
quick is when you talk about the
subject of of flat Earth, where you

723
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.239
talk about the subject of Israel.
Both of those things are so you're gonna

724
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.719
you're gonna get the same reaction if
you bring them us. You know.

725
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.639
It's very antim Yeah, yeah,
yeah, you'll get labeled very quickly flat

726
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:23.239
as your nut job or you're an
anti I and I get to speak for

727
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.719
you. We don't get to talk
this openly on YouTube, and I do

728
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.039
that because I want to have exposure. We try to be incognito. But

729
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.920
yeah, you're absolutely right. It's
taboo, right, taboo subject. You're

730
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.559
not allowed to talk about this stuff. But I'm not. I'm not a

731
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.239
racist. I don't. I think
race was is a government of course,

732
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.039
means to do this the right exactly. The term race isn't even used really

733
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:51.119
in the Bible. It talks about
tribes, you know, and and it

734
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:52.840
within those tribes, it describes all
sorts of people. As a matter of

735
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.599
fact. If you look in the
in the Old Testament, it talks about

736
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.679
if somebody comes in and and starts
adhering to the law, because that's what

737
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.239
was required of the Jewish people at
the time. The Israelites, they're part

738
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.440
of you. I mean, look
at Rehab. Rahab was a prostitute and

739
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:13.199
she became in the line of Jesus, and that's that tells you right there,

740
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.800
Wait a minute, she wasn't she
wasn't a blood, she wasn't like

741
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:23.360
related to Abraham. Right. The
the people that that what they don't get

742
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:30.880
is that they're they're supporting a satanic
culture, and that's that's not what Jesus

743
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:36.199
is trying to describe, in fact, he's trying to help us come out

744
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.920
of that. Now, does that
mean that there isn't true people out there

745
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.400
that are truly trying to stay in
the in the Torah, and and and

746
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.920
not in not in the what is
it the Talmud? And and and yeah,

747
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:54.239
all all the the Satanic stuff that's
involved, right, and even text

748
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:59.400
was talking about there's there's a free
Masonic temple there in in Israel. You

749
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.599
know, that's where the that's where
they all, that's where the real and

750
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.000
that's that's what all this is.
If you, I know, people say

751
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.880
it's the Catholic Church, and I'm
not. I'm not gonna sit there and

752
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.719
argue with them, and and they
could. I think it's a part of

753
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.800
it, no, no doubt.
But I think at the at the core

754
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.719
of it right now, I believe
that it is the Zionist culture that you

755
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:25.599
know, the Rothschild, that's that's
there there there they have that Zionist Jewish

756
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.960
descent. And it's again, it's
not a race thing, please don't get

757
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.800
me wrong. It's a person thing. It's it's an elitist thing. Look

758
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:36.280
at look at uh when you when
you when you look at the what happened

759
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:40.400
in the Bolshevik Revolution, Uh,
you know Stalin his wife was was was

760
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.199
that you know if you watch you
watched that Europa of course, Yeah,

761
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.519
yeah, that that that that was
one of the biggest I that's when I

762
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:51.639
watched that whole documentary. At the
end of it, I knew that that's

763
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.679
who Mystery Babylon was and and and
it's not like but I I think that

764
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:58.519
even when you watch it, they
try to sympathize, you know, Hitler

765
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.199
in that. But I think Hitler
was was was like Trump, he was

766
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:07.639
an actor. I think he was
out and honestly, I think as a

767
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.960
whole, you know, I think
you and I were lucky to survive,

768
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.039
you know, the military industrial machine, because I think ultimately all we are

769
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:20.199
is blood sacrifice. Sure, what
else? What else is there? You

770
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.840
know, that's the same it's the
same ruler. So if you read through

771
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.079
Revelation seventeen and eighteen, I think, uh, I think it's seventeen,

772
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:31.559
it's sixteen, seventeen, seventeen eighteen, the parenthetical uh description of Mystery Babylon,

773
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:37.800
and you think about what it is. You know, it's her and

774
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.800
she controls you look at whenever,
so Jesus whenever he died? Who killed

775
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.920
him? Was it the Romans or
was it the Jewish people at the time

776
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.320
who killed him? Pasches pilot did
what he washed his hands, He says,

777
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:54.360
I'm not going to do this.
You guys are doing this. So

778
00:52:54.480 --> 00:53:02.719
what did he do that that mystery? Babylon controlled Rome and told them to

779
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:07.559
do their will. And then you
go, you go, you skip fast

780
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.199
forward to the first black Pope.
And that's not a ethnic or anything.

781
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.800
It's right. They called him.
The black Black Pope is the guy behind

782
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.880
the scenes people believe is the most
powerful guy in the Catholic Church. And

783
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:22.119
the white the white Pope is the
figurehead, right And so who is he

784
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.320
though? Who was the first one? Do you remember his name? Yes?

785
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.519
And it's slipping my mind, uh
Le Lola or something like that.

786
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:32.800
It's just there you go and and
and you know what he was. He

787
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.400
was a Zionist Jew. He came
up, he came in and what is

788
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:42.519
he doing. He's doing no different
than what they did at the time of

789
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.199
Christ. He's manipulating Rome to do
his will. And now he runs it.

790
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.119
And that's where all the Jesuit order. All that stuff comes from that

791
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.800
all comes from that same thing that
is Mystery Babylon, and she will be

792
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.239
destroyed one day. Uh. I
know a lot of people say the scarlet,

793
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.119
the scarlet, and and the blue
and the colors, but you can,

794
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.960
I'm telling you can. You can
get colors from anywhere. And and

795
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.519
again I'm not saying that the Catholic
Church isn't a part of that. They

796
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.320
are. They they sport the colors
too, because they're part of the same

797
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.760
gang. But you can go into
uh. I have pictures. I can't

798
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.400
really do it on here, but
maybe when if you want to come into

799
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.920
our show, I can show you
all this stuff. You know where where

800
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.639
these these uh synagogues that are in
the United States and and and abroad have

801
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:29.320
those colors everywhere and some of their
uh the their main priests, where are

802
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.039
those colors too? So, I
mean it's it's not uncommon to find that

803
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.400
as well. Again, I just
I just see, that's what it is.

804
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.599
That's why you have people like uh
coming out what what's that rapper's name

805
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:46.400
that uh I supposed to be rich
and he got he came out against Adidas.

806
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:52.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
know what is it, Kanye West?

807
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.159
Kanye West, and what do you
say? It was the Jews?

808
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:58.840
Remember he said that, Yeah,
he said that they were controlled at all.

809
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.039
Well, he was just he's he's
trying to like maybe, you know,

810
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.920
you know, do this with his
chest and say I got the money,

811
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.239
now I could do whatever I want. And they quickly reeled him in.

812
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.599
Yeah he did. They put him
in place really quick. That's right.

813
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.280
And again again, don't get me
wrong, it's it's not it's not

814
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:16.880
a culture thing. It's it's a
elitist, Zionist, Satanist group of people

815
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:21.760
that control. It's the Rothschilds that
they're a part of that. They are

816
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.920
the mystery Babylon in my opinion.
And and I could just see it.

817
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.599
It's everywhere, and Dawn, I
mean, I'm like, it's so true.

818
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.280
And whenever you think about how how
they're going to be destroyed, because

819
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.599
when she gets destroyed, because the
Antichrist is going to have to come in

820
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.400
right, and he's gonna have to
have rule. They're setting if they uh,

821
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.960
you know, erect a temple there
somewhere in Israel. They're setting him

822
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.760
up to come. That's their master, that's their fact. And he's gonna

823
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.239
kill them, you know, and
that's what's gonna happen, because that's what

824
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:57.840
does happen according to the Bible.
He's gonna he's gonna destroy and and and

825
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:01.400
that great city which is Jerusalem will
fall. Even text Mars he confirmed that

826
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.039
he's like he said the same thing. I'm like, Oh my goodness,

827
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.760
no, wonder that dude is not. I mean, they suppress him because

828
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.280
I don't know how I missed him. But anyway, Yeah, he was

829
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:14.320
a great guy. He was out
of Austin, Texas too. By the

830
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.840
way, the Black Pope, also
known as the Superior General of the Society

831
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:22.639
of Jesus aka Jesuit something interesting.
I don't think I realized before he took

832
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:28.320
office April nineteenth, fifteen forty one. So this title has been around for

833
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.000
five hundred, almost five hundred years. But April nineteenth is the Feast of

834
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.840
Molock. You look at Waco,
you look at Oklahoma City. These type

835
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.039
of events happened on April nineteenth.
Wow, that's that's really interesting. I

836
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.880
didn't Maybe coincidence, I don't know, coincidence. Jar, there we go.

837
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.320
Did I hear you say earlier?
Hell insurance? Is that what tything

838
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:49.800
I did. Sorry, I've never
heard that before. It it's true.

839
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.039
I mean, that's what a lot
of people are. That's what they're.

840
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:57.039
You can't have a converse, you
can't have a converse state. The hardest

841
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:02.320
people George I have talking to is
it's it's just the way it is.

842
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.480
It's like Paul. Paul came out
of the Pharisee system. I came out

843
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.159
of the Christian the quote unquote Christian
system, and I realized, and God

844
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.599
can use it. I'm not saying
there's it's not like you they're they're Everything

845
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.880
that's coming out of those those organizations
is necessarily wrong. It's not necessarily but

846
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.360
it's it's more of a show.
It's not it's not there's not reality in

847
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.360
there. There's definitely not any real
content, and there's fake relationship. And

848
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.920
there may be some good relationships within
congregets that get to know each other over

849
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.719
time. But you know, if
if I walk into church, you know,

850
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:43.159
it may take me four or five
years before they actually accept me as

851
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:45.360
being one of them. You know
what I mean, It's just the way

852
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:49.840
it is. I mean, I've
experienced that, and I'm like, well,

853
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.079
I don't need I don't need any
part of that, you know,

854
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:55.079
I just I've given up on that
entirely. That's why that I know you

855
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.719
asked Nick and the things I listened
to. The thing he says one of

856
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:00.119
your video and we don't have a
lot of peop on our on our YouTube,

857
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.760
and that's okay. I don't care
if there's one. It's it's for

858
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.320
the it's for the glory of God. I think if if if the Lord

859
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:07.280
had to die and it was just
for me, he'd still do it.

860
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.079
If it was just you, he'd
still do it. So that's that's got

861
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:17.119
to be the mentality. But you
know, it's it's the that's what draws

862
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:23.480
people away from the truth of God. And and what draws them away is

863
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:27.440
not hearing the truth. And if
you if you actually go out there and

864
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.679
be with these people, bring them
in, break bread with them, show

865
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.440
them the word. Eventually, you
know, every person that I eventually talked

866
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.920
to, I I show them,
you know, creation, cosmology, that's

867
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:39.440
just a part of it. I
want them to see the whole thing.

868
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:44.079
And if they can take in that, that that flat earth whatever you want

869
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:47.920
to I hate that term because it
just has such negative connotations. To it.

870
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.119
But it's it's true creation is what
I like to call it. If

871
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:57.800
you can get them to see it, man that that that's a catalyst for

872
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.800
everything else. And then you really
that you're just you're you look and you

873
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:06.440
walk and you see and you realize
that you're you're a slave in a system,

874
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:09.840
and the only escape that you have
is the freedom that Christ gives you.

875
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:15.280
That's the only escape. The only
freedom you have is through Christ.

876
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:19.280
Knowing that He's with you, Knowing
that whatever comes your way, He's going

877
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:22.039
to be with you. He's going
to have you in his hand. You

878
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.719
are going to go underhitneath his wings
of an eagle, knowing that even if

879
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.840
they kill me, he still has
me. You know that that whole thing,

880
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:34.880
knowing that if we walk into the
end times as I am not a

881
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.239
preacher of guy, by the way, I'm totally poster because that's just really

882
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:42.480
what I can have that argument,
but you know, preparing people for that,

883
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.840
you know, making sure they understand
that, you know, if that

884
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.159
time, if God's timing is now, because nobody really knows when, right

885
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:55.199
it could be tomorrow, that the
that the Antichrist destroys the The Babylonian horror

886
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:59.320
in here that we're talking about.
Or it could be ten years from now,

887
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:00.320
it could be fifty years from now. I can be gone right because

888
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.559
I'm not gonna lift fifty more years. I doubt it. But you know,

889
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:09.320
regardless, my job is to do
what Jesus told to Peter when he

890
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:16.679
said, Peter, do you love
me? And he said yes, Lord,

891
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.719
feed my sheep. And then he
said it again and again, and

892
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:28.880
on the third time he really Peter
realized that he had messed up so bad,

893
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.840
which I have to, which you
have to anybody who we just all

894
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:38.440
have, we come to that understanding. That's my job. That's all of

895
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:44.519
our jobs. We all have that
ministry of reconciliation to feed God's sheet.

896
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:45.559
That's us, that's you, that's
me, it's all of us. We

897
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:52.480
need to be together. We need
to be together as believers standing up against

898
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:57.519
the lies that come our way.
Minds me of that Conway Twitter song.

899
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:01.719
Right, that's my job, that's
right, Conway Twitty. See, I

900
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:05.920
can tell you you're I think you're
maybe a couple of years older than I

901
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:07.960
am, but we're pretty close.
I got to help you, fifty one.

902
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:12.519
I have one more question than I
do did you call it true creation?

903
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:15.400
Yes, yeah, well we'll get
into that. But I do have

904
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.559
one way if you can surmise us
in a couple of minutes. But sure,

905
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.000
because this topic has come up several
times but it's kind of been glossed

906
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.280
over. In a couple of minutes, could you kind of explain to the

907
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.840
audience your thought on the gap theory? And I hope I'm not putting you

908
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.119
on the spot. No, no, I love it. I just you

909
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.840
know, when you think about that
and you think about and actually i'll give

910
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:38.320
credit recreds to Dean was the one
that taught on this, and he does

911
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:42.840
a great job. It's one of
his older sermons from quite a while back.

912
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.480
But uh, and there's other people
that's you know, discussed it.

913
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:51.719
But you know, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth

914
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.840
right and the and the earth was
without form and void, those two words

915
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:59.480
in the Hebrew. And I'm probably
gonna wreck the name. I'm not a

916
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:04.000
I'm not on a perfectionist and all
this it's like a boho a and a

917
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:06.719
toe. Who I think I can
look it up, but I usually get

918
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:08.400
my notes in front of me,
and I don't have them, so I'm

919
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:12.920
doing this awful memory. So I
apologize. But basically, what those words

920
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:19.400
mean in a nutshell is destroyed,
chaotic, desolate, waste. Uh,

921
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:25.360
you know, basically not formless,
Uh, destroyed, not the way God

922
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:29.719
created the earth. Right. Whenever
God says when he made the earth,

923
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:31.480
he made it it to be perfect
and inhabitable, right, it's not.

924
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:37.159
God does not create chaos. He
creates perfection. And so okay, we

925
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:39.599
think about that. Okay, God
created. That's a statement right there.

926
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.760
It says God created the Heaven's in
here, and I'm trying to I'm trying

927
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:46.079
to go through this quick. I'm
trying to respect what you said, so

928
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:50.719
that in that statement you know that
that's there. And then he says,

929
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.000
water was up on the face of
the deep. Okay, wait a minute,

930
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:58.360
cut, cut cut the lights off? Where when was When was the

931
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:04.599
world created? He says, it's
there and there's water everywhere, and it

932
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:09.960
was and it's chaotic and destroyed.
What does that mean? I believe the

933
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:15.599
Lord is telling us very clearly that
the earth was flooded. Water was upon

934
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.039
the face of the deep so much
so that he could put a great,

935
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:22.320
big ferma. We know what the
firmament is right as as creation come.

936
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:24.480
That's huge, right. It took
them all day to build this thing.

937
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:28.920
And it's separating waters from water.
So how much water was on the face

938
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:34.239
of the earth. Unimaginable amounts of
water, right, right, So and

939
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.519
it was destroyed. So what does
that mean? I believe Noah's flood was

940
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:42.280
the second flood. That's why people
were so respectful of Like if you read

941
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.679
Whenever, David says, and the
waters that be above the fermament, because

942
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:52.039
he's telling you that firment is what's
keeping us from being destroyed. So we

943
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.480
say in the Psalms, we say, you know, you know, in

944
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.519
the power of his firmament, it's
it's it's exactly what weren't bon Braun put

945
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.760
in? Was it so? Nineteen
on his headstone? Uh, it's it's

946
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:10.400
that same principle. So so so
all that's to say is I believe the

947
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.840
earth was destroyed? And so where
what what was the world before that?

948
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.239
Well, if you look when did
Satan fall? When did and in the

949
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:20.880
fall is is is a is a
The term is kind of hard to understand

950
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:26.880
in a sense, but it's not. The fall means he separated and he

951
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.880
died. It's no different than you
know, he didn't he didn't have the

952
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.440
opportunity for salvation because he wasn't human. He decided that he was going to

953
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:38.519
leave God and he was eternally damned
at that point. That is the fall

954
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.000
of Satan and he and all the
one third of the angels. And I

955
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.480
think that's where the thirty three comes
from. It's it's one third of third

956
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.280
of the age, right, I
think that's the original one. And you're

957
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:51.000
an amazing numbers guy. I am
not. I'll tell you right now.

958
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:54.280
I like to listen to it.
I learned every time you talk about it.

959
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:56.519
But next to that way too,
I don't. I don't know a

960
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.840
whole lot about that. But at
any point, at any rate, uh,

961
01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:05.079
when that happened, you know,
it had to be before Adam and

962
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:10.119
Eves story, right, because who
was in the garden, say a serpent?

963
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.719
Yeah? Yeah? So when did
he fall? Did he fall when

964
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:16.360
he was building the fermament? Did
he fall? You know, whenever he's

965
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:19.119
making the sun, moon and stars? No, he was there before there

966
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:25.519
there there's there's there's actually uh discussion
points to see if I can find it

967
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:29.639
real quick in my notes, But
I think it's in Jeremiah that talks about

968
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.440
that. Don't don't quote me on
that. Uh, it talks about uh,

969
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.960
that same term when the earth was
without form and void and there was

970
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:44.079
no man and everything was dark and
you know, and then it talked about

971
01:05:44.239 --> 01:05:48.440
in that in that in that verse
about Satan and it talked about, you

972
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:55.400
know, how his kingdom was destroyed
and when did that happen. Well,

973
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.800
I'm of the opinion that that was
before mankind was on this earth. I

974
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.760
think Satan was here on this earth
before man was ever here. I think

975
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:09.559
Genesis a man was or Genesis,
the book of Genesis after Genesis one one

976
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:15.440
is the genesis of mankind, and
he created a way for man to survive

977
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:18.000
in the way that he was going
to create us at the time. From

978
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:23.599
that point forward, I think Satan
ruled the earth before. We don't know

979
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:25.559
how. A lot of people say, you know, we don't know how

980
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.440
old the earth. We don't know
how the actual earth is. We don't

981
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:30.440
know if time was a part of
it or not. Because they're finding like

982
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.440
you know, you could find like
pyramids in the oceans, you know they

983
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:38.679
have that. You can look it
up. You can find them well,

984
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:42.760
where did those pyramids come from?
You know, where did the great pyramids

985
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:47.079
in Egypt come from? I think
those were there prior to Genesis of Man.

986
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:49.199
I think they've been there. As
a matter of fact, I think

987
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:54.960
it's highly Now this is just John's
thinking and others. I've heard other people

988
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.840
say this as well, that those
may have been the original temples of the

989
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:02.000
Lord, and then they got they
got taken over by Satan at the Fall

990
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:06.519
of Satan and used for their own
devices. That's why they used the pyramids,

991
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:10.360
That's why they have the triangle,
That's why you know they they take

992
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.960
they're count of Satan's counterfeiter, right. He takes what it's God's and he

993
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.480
makes it his. But he does
it in his own twisted, evil,

994
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:20.320
wicked way. He doesn't produce anything. He takes what's created and distorts it,

995
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.480
right, right, And so I
think that a lot of that.

996
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:28.239
I think even a lot of these
megalists that you see, I think a

997
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.119
lot of those things came from a
time, from way before before us.

998
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:36.239
And I think that that's what that's
from. I think when we came into

999
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:40.639
the picture, God created the ferment, drive the lands, you know,

1000
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:43.360
help things grow up the way they
need to be. You know, you

1001
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:48.760
hear a lot of these talking about
the tartarians and you know, silicone trees

1002
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:53.840
and all that kind of stuff.
I think my personal opinion about that too,

1003
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:57.079
is is that that was during the
time before man was was even created.

1004
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.840
Really so, I think that some
of these things over six thousand years

1005
01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:01.880
old, huh well over, yeah, I think they're well. And I

1006
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.639
don't know. I mean, again, I'm not God, so I can't

1007
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:09.760
say for sure. But but but
and and when He created time in and

1008
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:13.400
of itself, but the physical place
was here, I believe that. And

1009
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.840
I can go into that. I
haven't I haven't done so, but I

1010
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:20.159
can go into it. But I
believe that a lot of those things were

1011
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:25.680
here before and and what the earth
looked like before I have no idea.

1012
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.840
And what the what those angels did
and their followers did before it may have

1013
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.119
been a great big mining thing,
the the what do you call it,

1014
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:34.199
the Grand Canyon could have been a
mind who knows, I mean, who

1015
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:38.000
knows what they did during those times? I don't know. The Bible doesn't

1016
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:41.880
say right, so it could be. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna undermine

1017
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.880
what they're saying. But I basically
what all I tried to do is say

1018
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:54.760
the Bible is the standard by which
I bounce things off of, and say,

1019
01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.279
does it align with the word of
God. Does it go against the

1020
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:01.720
word of God, then it could
be true. If it doesn't, then

1021
01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:03.960
it's definitely not true. If it
does, I mean, that's just the

1022
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:08.279
fact, because I mean because when
you look at creation today and you look

1023
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.399
and you know, and you say, just like Neil degrast Tyson says all

1024
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.119
the stars will come to the earth
in the Book of Revelations, it's also

1025
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.399
talked about Matthew by Jesus. And
you know, either those things are true

1026
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.359
or they're not true. Well,
they're true because they are small points to

1027
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.760
light and they will come to the
earth, and the earth won't be destroyed,

1028
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.079
it won't be consumed. Right,
it's the same thing. Well done.

1029
01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:30.800
Thank you for laying that out.
It's very interesting. And by the

1030
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.600
way, to the listeners, if
you have a take on the gap theory,

1031
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.720
send me an email, or you
can go to the website and click

1032
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:39.840
on that speak pipe message and you
can leave up to like a five minute

1033
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.800
message. That's very interesting. And
I did go back and listen to Pastor

1034
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:48.479
Odels. He does a great job
on his Website's awesome. There's a lot

1035
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:54.119
of great information on there. Yes, before I ask you we start getting

1036
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:59.479
into flutter Earth, et cetera.
King James seventeen five. I don't know

1037
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:03.279
how many verses in the Bible are
all caps, but it says, and

1038
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.680
upon her forehead was a name written, and then in all caps, Mystery

1039
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:11.760
Babylon the Great, the mother of
all Harlots and abominations of the Earth.

1040
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:15.520
Is there a reason why this isn't
all caps? And is that something that's

1041
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.880
prevalent in the Bible, or is
this one of the few verses that are

1042
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.720
in all caps? You know,
I don't know that I could comment to

1043
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:25.159
that, Honestly, I haven't really
looked at it that great. It does

1044
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.319
say it. I'm looking at it
right now. Upon her forehead was written

1045
01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:30.560
Mystery Babylon the Great, the mother
of Harlot's ebominations. Here, I think

1046
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:36.960
that they're saying that because there's there's
definitely exclamation in that, and maybe that's

1047
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:41.479
just what Maybe it was written that
way in the original on the and on

1048
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.960
the original paper's paper. I think
that's how you say it but I'm telling

1049
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.800
you, man, whenever when people
realize what it is, I mean,

1050
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:54.279
they own, like I said,
they own every every single solitary media corporation

1051
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:59.119
out there, z owed by,
you know. And so it's almost like

1052
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:03.039
when happens, it's like everybody's just
gonna be like you were you. It's

1053
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:06.960
like the flat Earth, you know, whenever, whenever he because it says

1054
01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:13.239
in Revelation that the heaven will will
be un like a scroll rolling away,

1055
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:18.159
and then it says that there's gonna
be you know, massive hailstones the size

1056
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:21.840
of talents or whatever. So I
believe that Dean's right. I think it's

1057
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:27.479
very possible anyway, that that's the
ferment breaking up and every eye will see

1058
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.199
him. You know, it's gonna
be. It's kind of like that.

1059
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:33.479
It's like the aha moment, like
oh, because it says the nations,

1060
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.920
well, I can look right up
here at the where the Norse started.

1061
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:41.520
I'm pointing towards the north uh polaris
where and and he if that's where he

1062
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.680
decides to rip open the ferment,
every single as I'll see him, and

1063
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:47.399
it's gonna be in like capital letters
there he is, and the nations as

1064
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:50.840
well but you and I if if
we love the Lord and he's in our

1065
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:56.399
hearts and we're bloody bought, born
again Christians, that that that are just

1066
01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:00.520
on fire for the Lord. And
that's that's what Revelation chapter three talks about

1067
01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.680
in the Church of Lato Sea,
not to be lukewarm, but to be

1068
01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:08.880
scalding hot. That were that we're
uh hot is is if you look at

1069
01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:12.600
it in the in the Greek it
talks about how it's uh not just you

1070
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.399
know, sort of hot, it's
scalding hot, like if you put your

1071
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:17.960
hand into boiling water. That's what
Christians are supposed to be. But I

1072
01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:21.479
should I hate the word. I
almost hate the word Christians. It's believers

1073
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:26.880
and followers of Christ. You have
to be scalding hot and out there just

1074
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:29.479
like just like my buddy Nick here, he's he's crazy, on fire for

1075
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.000
life. Sometimes he gets nuts,
so but he's he's he loves the Lord,

1076
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:35.079
you know, and and and and
and that's what I love about him.

1077
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:39.119
And by the way, Creation is
the reason why he's he's here with

1078
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.199
us because he saw the live of
Creations. And I know you know that,

1079
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:45.600
but from others that's that's that's his
story. But uh, anyway,

1080
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:48.159
it's gonna be this great aha moment
and then it's it's gonna be like that

1081
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.319
here the mystery Babylon. Everybody's gonna
say, oh, oh, it was

1082
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:59.159
them, We supported them. The
United States of America is their proxy machine.

1083
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.800
We are owned by them. We
do their bidding. What happened whenever

1084
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:08.399
they decided to do all this garbage
over in Palestine. Who's there right now?

1085
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:12.439
Who's who's got the big battleships there? It's us? Of course,

1086
01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:15.880
yeah, of course exactly because we
are owned by them. We belong to

1087
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:20.039
have always belonged to them. It's
the whole purpose of it. And and

1088
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:24.279
and the thing to really wrap your
mind around that whole thing is is it's

1089
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:30.439
God's ultimately his He's He's predicted it's
going to happen. I mean, it's

1090
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.239
all through the it's all through the
Bible, so it's his timeline. And

1091
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:36.520
and so what we have to do
as believers and and and I'm not again,

1092
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.680
I'm not against like what the things
you're talking about, like like trying

1093
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:45.079
to be active in the community and
do the right things and try and save

1094
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:48.960
your you know, kids from being
uh uh what do you call it drafting?

1095
01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:51.119
And he said you can get on
those boards and stuff like that.

1096
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:54.319
I think that's great. I think
you need to do all those things.

1097
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:56.279
If that's what the Lord plays it
in your heart. I think it's the

1098
01:13:56.319 --> 01:14:00.720
way you should do things. But
ultimately we're on God's timeline and and and

1099
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:06.079
ultimately the only true security that we
have and all of this is Christ.

1100
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:14.239
And so ultimately our job is to
what share Christ with the nations. That's

1101
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.479
the point of this. That's the
point of in my opinion, that's that's

1102
01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:20.880
the point of flat Earth. That's
the point of it all. I think

1103
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:27.359
it's it's you know, and that
whole that whole scenario in Tennessee with uh

1104
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:33.079
Greg Locke and all that that that
that is another example of people are going

1105
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:35.680
to start waking up more and more. And yeah, if you look at

1106
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:43.119
the comments all around the internet that
once again I thought, anyway I have

1107
01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.079
it woke a lot more people up
than I think that's what they expect.

1108
01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.399
Yes, I knew it was going
to Yeah, and I knew And I

1109
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:54.760
don't know the I don't know the
like, I really don't know the like

1110
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:58.399
the intents of certain people why they
do what they do right. But you

1111
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.319
know, God does things whether we
want him to do it or not.

1112
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.319
He uses things for for good,
for those are you know. I looked

1113
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:11.520
on you know, all the comments
on throughout social media, and it woke

1114
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:14.880
a lot of people up. It
was yes, really well and it's going

1115
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.399
to continue to do that because it's
out there and it will never go away,

1116
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:21.199
and that never never go away,
never go indeed. And that leads

1117
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:25.479
me to my next question. Is
you know I think it's the Book of

1118
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:29.399
Daniel you mentioned earlier. We are
witnessing a bit of a great awakening.

1119
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:33.000
Yes, and I think it really
started. I get emails every day,

1120
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:38.880
dozens of emails every day, and
people share their stories, and the most

1121
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:44.560
common story that I get is people
got woken up during COVID and that if

1122
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:48.520
it wasn't for that a lot of
people wouldn't have found flat Earth. Do

1123
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:54.319
you see that this great awakening is
part of the timeline where we're at in

1124
01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:58.279
the Bible. Yes, yes,
And I think you know, you know,

1125
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.439
for I think what people see is
those who stand up against it.

1126
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:05.279
I'm sure I can I guarantee you
you were one of those guys that were

1127
01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:10.479
standing up against it right, of
course, getting rid of the vacs.

1128
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:13.279
We don't want to deal with that, you know, not wearing the masks

1129
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.279
and all that kind of stuff.
Mask is is one later away from the

1130
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:20.239
mark. You know. It's just
a form of of uh, you know,

1131
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:23.920
a testing of the waters for the
mark, for what it's worth.

1132
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:27.520
And that's what I believed it was. Yeah, it's it's just a test

1133
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:32.439
and and and so you have those
who stand up against that, that becomes

1134
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:38.720
a catalyst again, like you just
said, for people to wake up and

1135
01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:41.359
see, wait a minute. For
me, it's like when we move.

1136
01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:45.840
We moved from Colorado because that that's
the great communist state of Colorado. I

1137
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:47.880
grew up there, but now it's
it's the communist state of Colorado. It

1138
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.319
really is. And I had I
couldn't get out of quick. And no

1139
01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:55.319
it's my it's my whole place.
I love it, but I can't be

1140
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.760
there anymore. We went, we
came to Missouri and it's it's great.

1141
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:02.399
Great people here are very it really
is where we're at, especially this area.

1142
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:08.920
You know, it's it's highly you
know, reserved. People don't want

1143
01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:12.199
to get in your business. There's
not a single ordnance in the county in

1144
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:15.560
which I live and reside. You
know, it's wonderful. I love it

1145
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:17.199
here. You know, we do
a lot of the we do the homesting.

1146
01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:20.159
I got cattle, I got chickens. Like you, We're not the

1147
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:30.600
best at it, but were we
learn every day. Right, All right,

1148
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:31.399
everybody, thanks for your patience.
We had a little bit of a

1149
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:35.000
technical difficulty, but we're back running. We've got about fifteen minutes left,

1150
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:39.840
and I'm going to toss it back
to John for kind of his closing thoughts

1151
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:45.079
and what's most forefront in his heart. Go ahead, John, Well,

1152
01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:50.000
one of the things that I want
to encourage people, especially, you know,

1153
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:55.439
people that belong to Christ. But
I'm not saying that, you know

1154
01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:59.159
those that do not. Hey,
lot, you know, our lives are

1155
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:02.800
supposed to be a reflection of who
Christ is. And you know, we'll

1156
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:06.279
we'll we'll be with you as well. But for those that are in this

1157
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:12.600
type of understanding and and and belief
system that we realize that all this is

1158
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:18.199
going on, I think one of
the biggest tools in our toolkit is coming

1159
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:21.960
together, you know. Uh,
And even if you don't believe everything that

1160
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:26.000
I say, or even if you
don't believe everything that George says or eventhing.

1161
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:30.600
You know, ultimately we have a
lot in common and and hopefully it's

1162
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.720
Christ at the center of it.
Right. But but the only way that

1163
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:41.000
we're gonna really make change is by
coming together. You know, the Bible

1164
01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:45.600
talks about how you know, they
will know Jesus said this, right,

1165
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:49.159
they will know that you belong to
me for the love that you have for

1166
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:55.880
one another. And you know who's
going to see that. You know who

1167
01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:00.399
needs to see that? Honestly,
it's the church system. People. They

1168
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:02.159
need to see this. They need
to see that it's real, because that's

1169
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:09.079
what's gonna wake them up and snap
them out of that that just mental fog

1170
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:13.640
that they're in. And then on
the flip side of that, have that

1171
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:18.159
same type of of interaction with folks
you know that are lost, that they

1172
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:23.600
can see that you're engaging with them, that you're trying to help them.

1173
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:26.640
You know. One of the ways
that I one of the ways that I

1174
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.000
try to reach out to people is
I don't just Nick's crazy. I'm hey,

1175
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.520
Nick, I'm a flat after flat
Earth and all this. That's not

1176
01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:36.479
usually what I do, but it's
okay. I mean, everybody's different but

1177
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:40.159
one of the one of the one
of the things that I try to do

1178
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:43.960
is to go in there and meet
the person, earn their respect, show

1179
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:45.920
them who I am, and then
over time, as the Lord gives me,

1180
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.680
you know, those words, that
you just start showing the truth in

1181
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:56.680
those people's lives. I think that's
so important. And then and then to

1182
01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:01.920
actually get into the world that awakening
truth. One of our biggest core foundational

1183
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:10.119
beliefs is for you to read God's
Word every day in some form or fashion

1184
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.199
so you can be on one.
Peter three to fifteen says that you should

1185
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:18.239
always be prepared for the hope that's
in you. And that's that big apologetics

1186
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:23.760
thing, right. I used to
take apologics courses in my previous you know,

1187
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:29.479
pastoral type roles, and I still
believe in that because God's Word says

1188
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:32.479
that we need to give an answer
for the hope that's in us. And

1189
01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:39.039
the way you do that is by
making sure you believe what you believe.

1190
01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:42.079
You know, I deal with people
a lot. I deal with people every

1191
01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:47.039
day in a business manner, and
you know, over time they ask me,

1192
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:51.560
why why are you different? Why
are you this way or that way?

1193
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:56.640
Because I could see it in your
life and then so that's what we're

1194
01:20:56.640 --> 01:20:59.239
supposed to do. That's what Christ
says. He says, he says that

1195
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:03.880
he will draw all men under him, and he uses that through people.

1196
01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:08.760
He said, he said to Peter, what was Peter? Was Peter this

1197
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:13.840
you know, four year degree,
eight year degree, you know, doctorate

1198
01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:17.359
in theological studies. No, Peter
was a fisherman, right, yeah,

1199
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:23.680
that's what he was. You can
be used, you know, God says.

1200
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:28.159
Whenever Jesus went to Peter, he
said, you know, go over

1201
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:30.039
here and take all these Bible study
courses and do all these things. Then

1202
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:33.600
you can follow me. Is that
what he said, George, No,

1203
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:40.159
he said follow me, follow me, and I will make you fish or

1204
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:45.279
some men, because that's what we
do. I deal with some people people

1205
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:48.359
all the time. They they may
have a hard time getting rid of the

1206
01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:53.640
you know, the the mouth or
whatever, but that doesn't matter because God

1207
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:56.279
knows their heart. I'm not their
judge. I'm not you know, I

1208
01:21:56.520 --> 01:22:00.239
don't. What we are to do
is to go out and be the life.

1209
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:02.960
We're to show them God's word.
And that goes into what I wanted

1210
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:06.279
to talk say. And this is
a good ending. I want to show

1211
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:12.479
them who God is in his word. You know, I'm not being your

1212
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:15.159
judge whenever I say, hey,
look at what it says right here in

1213
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:19.199
the Bible. It says those who
commit adultery will not enter in the Kingdom

1214
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:25.279
of Heaven. That's not John saying
anything. I'm acting in the function of

1215
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:30.000
a pastor, but as a shepherd, I'm not doing it. All I'm

1216
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:34.920
doing is showing you what the true
shepherd is saying. So that's our job.

1217
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:40.640
Our job is to go out there
and show people what the real pastor

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says. Because I don't want you
to call me pastor. I want you

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to call me brother. That's what
Paul says, brethren of love, which

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I am a co brother. I
am your brother. This is my brother

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at arms. He is the one
that I'm going to look out for.

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He needs to look out for me. And we do so by using this

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tool call God's word, and that
word is what's going to give us the

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truth, and it's the truth that
sets us free. Amen. And you

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really I'm glad you made that point
because I guess two or three months ago,

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I consider doing prison ministries, and
I reached out to the state and

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you have to provide them basically,
at least here in this state, and

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I know it veries state to state, but you have to have a master's

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degree to even be considered. So
once again, it's all part of the

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system, right, you have to
go get your indoctrination before they allow you

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to which again goes against exactly what
you just described for the last five minutes.

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Correct. I mean that means that
they would have kicked Peter out right,

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Yeah, exactly, You're just efficient. I mean, it's ridiculous.

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Yeah, it's the lord who anoints, It's the Lord who provides for those

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he calls his people are his people. It has nothing to do with the

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system. It has to do with
having a willing heart and be willing to

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be used as a vessel in his
hands. And will we stumble along the

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way? Absolutely well, I have
issues with my life one hundred percent,

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and you know what, I'll be
the first to admit it. You know,

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that's that's how that's how you develop
relationships. You say, man,

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I need your help. I mean, you could be you could be George

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if if you were like hanging out
with me and you've seen my eyes wandering

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01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:26.319
in the wrong direction. And you
kind of bump me a little bit,

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01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:28.039
you know, and say, hey, get your eyes right. And this

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is just an example you're being.
You're acting in the role as a shepherd

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01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:36.319
and your brother just like your brother
would do if he sees you doing something

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01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:38.920
wrong, you say, hey,
bro, what what are you doing?

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Yeah, that's what that's what elders
and bishops what they call bishops, that's

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what that's what they are. And
that's always a again, it's always a

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pluristic term meaning there's many of us
together, those that has bend in God's

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01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:57.800
word to take in what people are
telling you and then showing them God's word

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01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:00.439
and then as they grow, because
that's what it's. The great commission isn't

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01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:04.439
to go out and and and create
all these buildings. The great the great

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01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:11.039
commission is to go out and make
disciples. Right, to make a disciple

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01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.359
means you've got to spend time,
effort, blood, sweat and tears with

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01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:23.359
these people and you'll be very you'll
be doing well if you have four or

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five in a year. Really,
because it takes that much effort to make

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01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:31.399
a disciple, it really does,
and you could do That's why we do

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01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:34.560
this, you know, we use
the technology because we try to, you

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01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:39.560
know, provide that information for others
so they can do the same things in

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their groups. I don't want them
to come all to my house, although

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01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:45.319
they can. It's not it's not
that I don't love them, but they

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the way that things change is at
a small level. But if you look

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01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:55.640
at them all from that, you
know, one hundred and twenty thousand foot

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01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:59.960
view, where everything's still flat,
right. They they that was a joke,

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01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:04.359
by the way, I'm terrible at
it, but you can see all

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of it and then all of a
sudden they're in harmony, right, And

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that's what that's what this is about, is bringing forward the Kingdom of Heaven

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and that that's that's why, that's
why I'm here today. That's why I

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do what I do and and and
that's just that's the calling of the Lord

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on my heart. That's really well
done. And you were presented your thoughts

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really well today. And I'm going
to put you on the spot one more

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01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:38.079
time because I always say I was
always told actually, both in school and

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01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:41.800
in the military, they tell you
that December and January are the most stressful

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01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:45.079
times of years for people. The
sun goes down earlier a lot, not

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01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:48.199
much sunlight. People are stressed out, people are sick. Can Can I

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01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:51.960
ask you to close with a word
or prayer for everyone? Absolutely? Absolutely,

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Lord, We thank you God for
for you, Lord God. We

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asked today, in this evening and
in the future, when people hear this,

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Lord, that your word would come
alive in people, that they would

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use you, Lord as their source
of truth rather than men. That the

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that the leaders within the organizations would
humble themselves Lord and submit to your word

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01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:24.880
in its entirety. Lord, that
they would not put any of that filthy

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01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:29.840
lucre or any constraints on your word, as you've declared, Lord God,

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01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:33.000
we asked today that you would anoint
the lips and the minds and the hearts

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01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:38.720
of all that proclaim your truth and
the world today and Lord, let your

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01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:42.279
kingdom come on earth. Lord,
that you would like your word says,

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Lord, the truth is what's going
to set us free. And the way

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01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:47.560
that that happens, Lord, we
know because your word says it. It

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01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:53.479
says that where the Spirit, the
Holy Spirit is, Lord, there is

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01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:58.359
true freedom. And when we declare
truth, Lord, we're declaring it because

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01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:02.600
your Holy Spirit declares it in our
heart and in our minds and everything that

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we are. Lord, and we're
able to do that because you live in

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01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:09.239
us. Lord, forgive us,
God, of all of our sins today.

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Forgive us of all the things that
we've done wrong, because Lord,

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01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:15.000
we know we've done wrong. In
fact, your word even says that.

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01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:17.119
Lord, it says those that say
they're without sin, there's no truth in

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them. So Lord, I want
to declare today to you, Lord,

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that I want to be your servant. I want you to forgive me for

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01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:27.479
all the things that I've done wrong. And I ask God, the others

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01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:30.199
that listen to this will forgive You
would forgive them of the things that they've

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done wrong, but they would have
the courage to admit those things, Lord,

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01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:36.560
to humble themselves to see the truth. Lord, I pray God that

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01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:43.479
there's a revival of true awakening in
this country. Lord, that your word

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01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.960
would be just on fire and that
people would see the truth. And I

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asked this in Jesus's mighty name.
I pray Amen, Amen, thank you

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so much for that. I greatly
appreciate it. And that is John from

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01:28:55.239 --> 01:28:59.159
the Awakening Truth Podcast YouTube channel.
And we will also if you want to

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01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:02.760
reach out to them, we'll have
his Facebook page link in the show notes

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01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:06.520
as well. So thank you,
Bess much. Yeah, thank you again.

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It was really great to meet you. Appreciate everything. Yeah, and

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01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:13.399
we're gonna invite you to our podcast
one day. If you're willing, absolutely

1313
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:16.119
hit me up and I'll definitely join
you guys, I'd love to. So

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01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:18.800
there you go, folks, Lord
Willing and the creek don't rise. I

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will see you Sunday night at eight
pm Eastern Time with another great guest for

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01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:27.000
John. I'm George. God bless
you all. Keep your head on a

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01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.560
swivel, and until the next time
we meet, my friends, we will

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01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:39.239
see it. I know it's been
a struggle. I don't know if you've

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01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:49.840
had spain, feeling tie tell down
all the way. Yeah, I know

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01:29:50.000 --> 01:30:06.079
you feeling you smile and the same
from you feel like you've lost your way.

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Don't give up. No, don't
give it and never is home.

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01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:17.479
Don't let call the primise. It
ain't done yet. He's gone up,

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01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:28.439
glad, Why it's a way got
up? May come? Why wait?

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01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:43.119
God up, mcle I can see
the street beside you, child's are putting

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01:30:43.399 --> 01:30:49.319
up five. Oh, you're stronger
than a thing. You are. Yeah,

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01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:59.000
you're gonna be all right. You're
accepting a dead found you beautiful?

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01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:05.640
You're shot in ride. Yeah,
you're listening, breathing, move you can

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01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:14.840
hold your head a pie. Don't
give up, No, don't give in,

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01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:20.720
never loss home? Don't they gone
on the Primies? It ain't Donion's

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01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:28.399
God or Clay? Why some Waytel, the God of Mabe come, don't

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01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:32.520
give up? No, don't give
in? You never love home? Don't

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01:31:32.600 --> 01:31:39.960
let go on the Primies? It
ain't gon likeness worth live in? What's

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01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:48.000
a way town? The God up
baby? Colt? Why surprase down?

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01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:57.319
Got up? Steamy Colt? Oh? Yes, what surprase down? The

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01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:16.039
God up Staby Colt? Oh yeah, got Eve? Don't give up,

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No, don't give in, never
lose hol don't they go of the primis?

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I in and done? Yeah's God
up playing waits and kind of eve

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01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:36.680
cos don't give up? No dog
giving, but never hold. Don't let

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01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:43.960
go of the crimes. It ain't
done. Other's worth living in? What's

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died? The God of every cos? Oh, the God of needs?

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