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today at DBS dot Ie. Well, hey, they're off an action packed

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weekend. We are ready to recap
all of it, including some dramatics obviously

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for Homimungia, a huge win for
Teya Fimo Lopez, and much more welcome

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in it. Did the Fight Freaks
Unite recap podcast? I am the somewhat

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capable host TJ Reeves. The man
to hear from is this man, Dan

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Raphael, our insider from his Fight
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My goodness point plenty to talk about. Good to be with you.

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How are we feeling after some action
pack fights. There's a great weekend between

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action on Friday night, funy action
on Saturday, Hall of Fame inductions on

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Sunday. Been a big weekend.
Yeah, we had, We had lots

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right, let's get to it.
Let's get to what happened this weekend.

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Most prominently is the Taya Femo Lopez
win and what a tremendous performance by him

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over Josh Taylor to capture the WBO
and lineal As Dan always wants to point

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out, he's the guy at one
forty for the junior welterweight championship man Taya

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Femo. One of the stories right
now of this year in boxing with that

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performance and that comeback performance for him
to reclaim a world championship. Your thoughts

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having watched his twelve round decision win, listen out, What can you say

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other than it was a great performance. He did exactly what he said he

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would do. He made a lot
of people who had not been believers in

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him for reasons that are his own
fault, because of how bad he looked

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in his fights at one hundred and
forty pounds prior to Saturday, in his

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loss in the previous fight that he
had at lightweight, when he lost the

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belts to do George cambosas junior in
a great fight, but not a great

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performance. I mean, for you
know, circumstances. We understand now how

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injured he was in a sense with
his throat and everything. But look when

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he went to one forty, between
the way he performed in those fights and

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his seemingly fragile mentality and a lot
of other things surrounding his life, is

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sort of was hard to pick him
to win in a meaningful way against Josh

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Taylor, who, even though had
been coming off of a sixteen month or

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so layoff and not a great performance
in his own last fight against Jack Hatterall,

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was still the undefeated champion, still
the bigger man, and still it

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seemed like maybe was a more complete
fighter, all things being equal, and

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Tifi Molopez went out there and as
they say, he did the job.

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He looked great. Congratulations at Tifi
Molopez. Maybe he's the type of fighter

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that, as we've come to know
more and more about him as the years

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go on, that somehow sometimes thrives
when there's more tumult in his life in

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his career. But look, what
can you say, he outfought the bigger

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guy. He didn't just do it
in a one dimensional manner. He boxed,

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he punched, He was aggressive,
his defense was sound, his hands

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were quick, his feet were quick. He landed punches with both of his

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hands. And he also he just
looked like he was winning the fight.

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He had the swagger, you know, he had the little hipshimmies. Meanwhile,

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Josh Taylor, you know, through
far less punches, landed far less

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punches. Seemed like had I used
this comment earlier in the day with somebody

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else, I was speaking with terrible
body language, just didn't really look like

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he wanted to be there, look
confused at times. And you know,

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judges noticed those things. Besides just
clean shots that are landing. They know

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they can tell a guy if he
doesn't look like he's really in the fight

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from a mental point of view,
the way his body languages and where his

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Lopez looked excited to be there and
just was coming forward and letting the shots

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fly. Guy have no higher compliment
to the way that he performed. This

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is the Tifimo Lopez that we thought
we were going to see on a regular

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basis when he looked so spectacular,
for example, against Richard Comey when he

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won his first world title, even
though this was a different kind of fight

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because obviously that was an early knockout, but this was the Tifimo, dynamic

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kind of guy, but also an
intelligent boxer that we saw rising the ranks,

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who was everybody's prospect of the year
a few years ago, odds on

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to win a world championship that of
course defeated Lomachenko. You know, there's

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two words to describe the weekend,
tia Fimo's back. Yeah, and he

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looked at the most the most telling
stat the power punches. Again according to

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CompuBox. Again it's a quantitative stat, but you could just tell as the

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fight went on he was landing all
the significant shots the back half of that

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fight, one thirty eight to sixty
on power punches, including shots to the

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body. Tremendous performance from dumbled.
Yeah, he almost he almost doubled up

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punches landed one fifty eight landed for
Lopez Purst Company, box eighty two for

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Taylor. But more significantly, you
talk about the back after the fight,

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it's really like the backgrounds three to
twelve part of the fight because, again

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according to their stats, which again
are not necessarily exact, what they provide

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a good guy. How about after
round two? Josh Taylor never landed more

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than single digits in any round the
rest of the fight. And he also

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he also females defense killer in every
round of the fight except for the first

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and second round. Yep, great
performance from him, so as we always

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do. Now what does this mean? Taylor said after the fight, I'd

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love a rematch you win out of
this. There's not a contractual rematch.

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Taylor also says at the same time, it's difficult for him to make one

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forty. He's probably moving up to
welterwade so quickly. What do you think

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is next? And probably a bigger
payday and a bigger profile fight for Taya

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Femo Lopez, maybe a unified title
fight. Who knows? What do you

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think? Well? I think in
terms of Josh Taylor, you know,

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I think he sees the writing on
the wall. Even if you could get

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a rematch with Tifimo Lopez at some
point, it's not going to be next.

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Maybe they would someday meet in the
welterweight division if Tifimo moves up to

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that level, you know, down
the road, but a rematch team is

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out of the question. Wasn't the
kind of competitive fight where fans we'll be

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asking for a rematch, and like
you said, he's been talking about going

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to welter rate, so maybe I'll
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we would fight. Their top rank
is not very deep in that way class.

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But you know, certainly, when
you're the name of a Josh Taylor,

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you are a former champion, you
do have a fan base in Scotland.

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There they'll find somebody solid for him
to fight and see if he can

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make another run. And remember the
welterweight division in the not too distant future,

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the belts are going to become available
because whatever happens in the fight between

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Errol Spence and Terrence Scarford, even
if they wind up doing a rematch,

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you got to figure at least one
of those belts will become vacated by then.

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And certainly if the rematch does take
place, supposed to happen by the

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end of the year, which means
you're talking about, you know, maybe

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in the first quarter let's say,
of next year, pretty much all the

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belts will end up vacated because except
for the w BA, because I will

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go to the winner of the standionis
and a Virgil or a tise fight,

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but they'll be else available, and
you know, one shock me off,

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Taylor found a way into the ratings
to be in at least in line for

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one of those belts. So that's
probably his future. As far as Tiffimo,

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you know, he talked about retirement
after the fight, and I got

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a lot of questions on social media
today on my Facebook page, on Twitter

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and my Instagram, and questions on
the bottom of my story on my sub

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stack. You think Tifimo is really
retiring. Fuck no, he's not retiring.

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Get to hell out of here now
what he will do and he'll probably

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take a bit of a break.
He made the point in his post fight

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interview. He's going through a bitter
divorce and a custody battle for his a

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toddler's son, and that's going to
take a lot out of anybody mentally.

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Of course. I mean, the
divorce is hard, but a divorce on

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top of a custody fight. You
know, I've known people in my life

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that have gone through those things.
It's not easy, obviously, But anybody

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thinks he's going to retire at age
twenty five having just put in perhaps the

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greatest performance of his career, and
he's on the now he's on track making

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millions of dollars for fights. Absolutely, no way he's retiring again. Layoff

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fair enough, take off the summer, enjoy yourself. I say he's back

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in the ring before the end of
the year. I mean he's not taking

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off a long long it's not going
to be extended, extended retirement. This

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is what I learned a long time
ago, is you listen to what the

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boxers say after a fight, a
big win or a big loss, and

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you reported, of course, and
it's it's important, but you also have

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to put it in context, and
you have to learn not you know,

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to take what is said in the
in the aftermath of a of a raw

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moment like that, after all the
build up and the fight that's very physical

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and all the it's like a cathartic
thing. They say a lot of stuff

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that they may mean when they say
it, but they know in retrospect when

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they think about it, that's not
real. You gotta take what they say

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after a fight in that immediate moment
with a grain of salt. So anybody

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that thinks Kifimo Lopez is retiring off
of that great performance at the level where

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he is now with the kind of
money that he can make is a fucking

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idiot. Of course not. Of
course he's going to continue on. And

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while we're on this subject, and
no coincidence that Jose Ramirez, who had

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two of those titles, was in
attendance, is that the logical next opponent

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or unification makes more sense for more
money. Just real quick, what do

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you think? Well, the two
fights that are probably doable for him at

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top rank are either Ramirez who is
going to be uh, you know,

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in a in a good you know, isn't a good position in the ratings,

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and obviously his name recognition, the
fact that he's a former unified title

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holder. His only loss was in
a unif you know, the for the

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undisputed fight to unify all four titles. He lost a razor close decision to

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Josh Taylor in their undisputed fight.
That was basically the difference in that fight

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was it was an even fight and
Taylor got to win by two points on

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all three cards because he scored two
knockdown so he won one fourteen to one

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twelve and in the fight that was
otherwise dead. Even so, Ramirez was

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ringside with the idea that he would
campaign and get hopefully a shot at the

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winner. They're both with top rank, it's a big fight, it's a

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good fight. They're both you know, good amateurs in terms of their Olympic

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pedigree. They both been good champions
in the pro ranks. So that's definitely

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a fight that the top rank could
do. It's not it's an expensive fight,

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but it's doable. And the other
fight that makes a lot of sense

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in my mind, and I think
would be no, you know, no

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knock on Jose Ramiers, but I
think would be a much bigger commercial event

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in the kind of fight where absolutely
they would try to go on pay per

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view. And that would be if
Devin Haney elects to remain with top rank

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and moves up from lightweight where he's
the undisputed champion to challenge Tiefemo for the

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lineal championship and the WBO title at
Juniory Wealth Rate. Now you're talking about

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a big event, that's a commercial
event, that's an exciting event, that's

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a clash of style event, that's
two guys that can talk shit. I

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mean, that's just a good,
good matchup, you know, and there's

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also you know, well if that
happens, we'll hear of the epic stories

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of their supposedly legendary sparring session years
ago. That fight has a lot going

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for it if they can make it. I would love to see that fight.

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And Bill Haney was right there ringside
too, So that's not a coincidence

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either, and you know that,
so absolutely not a quick very little in

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this is a coincidence. I mean
they're there checking this out. I mean

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they have a relationship with top rank
even if he's a fore agent at the

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moment, because the other the other
unifications don't make a lot of I mean,

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look, is he gonna fight sab
Real Matthias in the unification? Probably

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not. It's not. It's it's
a it's a good fight, don't get

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me wrong. But it's not a
big commercial fight because Matthias is not a

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well known fighter. He's been with
PBC, he's been a free agent.

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I think he's gonna end up staying
with PBC. Now you get into the

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whole network thing. It's an expensive
fight based on a guy that doesn't have

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a lot of name recognition, even
though he's very a very good fighter and

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a great puncher. So I forget
about that fight. Regis program has got

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the WBC panel. While that would
be a phenomenal fight, we all know

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Regis has got all the stuff going
on, He's got the fight coming up

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next week. We all know that
there's a good prospect of fight number two

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in the in the matchroom stable is
going to probably be the winner of the

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Montana Love fight against Richardson Hitchens.
There's Jack Catterall that is sitting out there

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for him, also in that same
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highly unlikely. The best matches that
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or either against Ramirez into a greater
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mean, those seem to be the
logical fights. And if it's not even

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then they have other junior wealth rights. I mean, you know, if

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he just wants to take like a
regular fight, there's Arnold Barboza, who's

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there was an excellent trepender unfeated,
who's with top breaking. There's other fighters

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are also, So that's that's what
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he's got options and won a moment
for him. You know, he hit

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the final seconds of the fight.
It was kind of unusual, but it

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was a gratifying moment where he just
kind of ran almost to the to the

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corner, put his arms up on
the ropes and look skywhere like I just

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won, I just won the titles
back. I am back, and there

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you get. Thank god, by
the way, it wasn't almost a draw,

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because we need to discuss the shitness
of those tooth squirk cards. It

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seems like every single week, even
in a fight where everybody acknowledges that Tiofimo

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was doing, there there's some kind
of controversy and then it come across some

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idiot that that tries to defend the
title, to defend those square cards.

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I mean, here's the bottom line. I had to fight ten to two.

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I saw a lot of scores on
social media that were in that ten

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had nine three. I don't know. I thank you, but I had

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Josh Taylor winning one round after the
second round. And it sounds like you

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had him winning no rounds after the
second round. No, I had him

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winning one. I had him.
I think I gave him round the ten

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round ten. Ten. Yeah,
So and that was really and there are

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not five rounds that I know what
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that he won even for one fifteen, one thirteen. Here's the thing,

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win five rounds, even if you
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It wasn't like he did a great
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more because Tiefemo just was taken a
breather at Felway. But here's the thing

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going into round twelve. If two
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fifteen to one thirteen, if those
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that gives them both one fourteen,
one fourteen. That means the fight winds

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up a majority draw because the third
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he should have been, and there's
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squore card or draw fight. Even
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he didn't necessarily agree the wide scores, but even he knew he lost

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the fight for crying out loud,
so you know the right guy won,

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but it was still a stinky couple
of scorecards. And our guy, David

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Payne, the boxing writer, he
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up on the site, and he
said, one of those judges is a

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British judge, Steve Gray, and
that's I mean, you can't defend that

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card. He and the other judge
on where's the five rounds? That I

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don't I don't think that that's because
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I don't. I don't think nationality
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of these fights, because we've seen
examples that it goes the opposite when it

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was just a shit card. That's
the bottom line. Yeah, all right,

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So victory for Teya Fimo. We
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rest of the undercard. Xander Zaia
is impressive. He got a first round

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knockdown, but then it still took
the route for him to win in the

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co feature. Anything else real quick
besides he and what else off the undercard?

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Well, Xander was there on Puerto
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lot of support. That's why the
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of the fact that Top Rank wanted
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having fights on the same weekend of
the Puerto Rican de Parade. Xander is

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viewed as the next guy to headline
those types of shows. I thought he

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looked pretty good, Like you said, he scored the first round knockdown.

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I think he got a little over
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But Ronald Cruz, who was the
opponent, was super tough that he's

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lost two fights now but never been
stopped. You know, got an eight

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quality rounds. The fans were excited. He was dynamic at times of the

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fight. Might have might have pressed
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once, you know, you get
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excited about it. But again,
the kid, he's only twenty years old,

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he's still on the feed. He
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personality, he's got a lot of
talent. There were some other Puerto Rican

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young kids on the undercard with the
main fight. To watch there was was

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seeing Zander Dewis thing and I'm sure
that in the not too distant future,

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we're gonna Sae Hi headlining on this
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Off of that, let's move along
in the recap mode to himI Mongia,

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Sergey derevan Chenko, and my goodness
was their drama. We talked in

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the preview mode that we weren't sure
when these fights would line up. The

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the Zone. Golden Boy main event
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what time. As it turns out, Golden Boy chose to escalate things on

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their timeline and have the fight gets
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New York. So they were about
dan nine rounds in because I was keeping

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track of both before the first bell
rang on Taylor Lopez and my god,

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by that point there was real drama
that Drevyanchenko the veteran world title challenge,

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it was about to pin the first
loss on Himimungia, who looked tired,

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who had been hurt earlier in the
fight, and then Mungia did enough,

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including a late round knockdown, to
get a decision win. Tremendous, dramatic

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fight. That's me saying that your
thoughts on the Golden Boy main event well

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as far as when it started,
Trust me, Golden Boy was not worrying

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about when the Lopez fight was starting, when vice versa. They were going

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on their schedule and that was that. But it was a phenomenal fight.

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It's a bona fi legit Fight of
the Year candidate. It was a fucking

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war, that's the bottom line.
It was as good as you're going to

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see. It's been a year we've
had. We talked about any of the

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fights this year that have been in
that category as memorable. And you know,

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there's only so many spots on the
ballot for Fight of the Year when

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it comes to the Boxing Writers Association
of America, which by the way,

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gave out the awards for A two
thousand and twenty two and twenty one because

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of COVID on Friday night rather on
Thursday night in New York City. But

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this fight between Mongia and Devinschenko will
be on the ballot. I can't imagine

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it wouldn't be even if there's a
lot of other quality candidates. Just it's

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everything you wanted to see. And
by the way, I seem to recall

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someone named Dan the Man talking in
the pre fight saying this was going to

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be the fight we're talking about on
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And I was right about that,
because when this fight was made, I

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thought, no question, it's going
to be an entertaining fight. Did I

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think it's going to be like the
fight of the Year. I don't know

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if I thought that much, but
I did think absolutely this is going to

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be an exciting fight, and they
delivered in spades on this because that was

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as good as it gets. You're
talking about a late round knockdown to seal

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the win, It wasn't a late
round knockdown. It was in the twelfth

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round, with like two minutes left
in the fight, where again we didn't

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know it at the time, even
though I think we suspected that Devin Schenko

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was on his way to a close
victory. And as it turned out,

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Eric Morales, who was the trainer
for him, Mungie had told him in

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the corner after round ten, you
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not only did he win the last
two rounds, but he won the twelfth

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round ten to eight on all three
sportcards because he scored a great knockdown with

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a body shot on the left hand
that put him down to his knees in

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the center of the ring, and
that ten eight round provided the difference from

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what would have been either from a
unanimous decision in favor of Mungia without the

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knockdown. If it's just a straight
ten nine round for Mungy, it becomes

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a majority draw because two of the
judges would have had at one one fourteen,

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So that knockdown was the difference in
the fight, and it was as

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dramatic as it sounds, tremendous battle. And let me tell you, you

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gotta feel bad about Devin Chenko just
from the standpoint that he's been such a

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hard luck loser. He's now got
five losses, and four of them you

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could argue that he won, and
the one he did lose, legit was

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super close. Also, three of
them in world title fights against Danny Jacobs

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by split decision against Sna Glofkin to
fight. I was at ringside, I

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thought he won the fight, and
lots of us at ringside thought he won

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the fight. He lost a competitive
fight, but a legit lost to Charlot

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for the WBC's Mitawait title. He
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who is now on the WBC's interim
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They probably could have gone either way. And then the fight on Saturday

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between him among Gay, which even
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unreasonable to have Sergey winning that fight
by one round or so. So you

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got to figure the law of averages
he should have gotten in one of them

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and certainly should have got the triple
G fight. But he is, as

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I say, here's the DELTJ.
He's now two and five in his last

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seven fights. He's the best two
and five guy in seven fights in the

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world, and he's the best fourteen
and five fighter in boxing. Yeah,

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and he's a hard luck loser.
And we got several aspects to get into.

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He hurt Mungia and had him in
trouble but couldn't get him out of

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there. I thought it was interesting
and it was a great listen and a

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great watch. Shout out to Corey
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and Chris Mannix because they, I
mean the timeout time out with disrespect,

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the Latin Snake and Sergio Mora.
Sergio more I said, Sergio Martinez

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because I got like Hall of Fame
on my brain, the Latin Snake,

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Sergio Mora, who've had on the
show, and Snake can make fun of

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me now and call me JT instead
of TJ. But in any event,

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they were right on it that and
Sergio was the first one to point out

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Mongia looks gassed already in the fourth
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And this is gonna lead to a
bigger point, and you know where I'm

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going on this on ten rounds versus
twelve rounds. So then Darevan Chinko has

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him hurt. He responds, this
is what made it such a great back

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and forth. And watching Oscar dal
La Joya and Bernard Hopkins in like the

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third row, center right of the
center of the TV shot for like the

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last four or five rounds of that
fight was as entertaining as the fight because

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they knew this is big trouble.
He's potentially losing, he's potentially gonna get

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stopped. They're jumping up, they're
screaming instructions. I know there were some

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at ringside, including our buddy Gail
Falconhall was covering this fight. That Julio

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Caesar Chavez, the Legend, was
on the call on the Spanish broadcast.

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On the Mexican broadcast, he was
standing ending up during the round, yelling

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instructions at Mungia late in the fight, but as he took off his figurative

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broadcaster had it became like almost Mungia
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That's how rolls I've been at night
were on the Mexican broadcast, and he

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will have no problem getting up and
giving his opinion to the fight. They

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roll a little bit different in Mexico. I love it. And so then

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we get into the controversy and they
explained this as the fight was going on

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that the day Lahoya Mungia's side wanted
the fight shortened to ten rounds. Earlier

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in the week, they described it
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to agree to a ten round fight, and he said, no, no,

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it's a twelve round fight. That's
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I've trained for. I want those
two rounds. How ironic, real quick,

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Dan, those two rounds end up
being Mungia's savior with the knockdown if

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the fight ends after the ten round
if if if drevan Jenko is ahead on

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all three cards with two rounds,
you got I thought he was hit on

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all three. He certainly hit on
two of them. Let me, let

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me, let me take care of
this one, okay. Yeah, So

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yes, they signed for twelve and
that's the way it was. And Fernando

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Beltron, who was the co promoter
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and said he wanted that they wanted
ten. So Golden Boy did its due

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diligence and they checked with the team
of Sergey Devinchenko, which is the manager

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Keith Connelly, and Keith was like, you know, his head, I'll

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check with him, but I mean, you know, it's not for me

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to decide. We signed for twelve. That's what Sergey expects, that's what

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he wants. He went to Sergey. Sergey wouldn't go for the ten.

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They were willing to pay him an
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exact amount, but well over one
hundred thousand dollars more. Remember his purse

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for the fight devin Chenko was four
hundred grand, so they were willing to

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give him at least another hundred.
It probably would have been even more than

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that. He could have made substantially
more, but his perspective was and he

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knows this, and anybody's ever watched
Sergey Devinchenko fight knows this. He's a

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slow starter. He got dropped in
the first round in a couple of fights.

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He just you know, takes some
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In a ten round fight, it's
hard. So he wasn't giving up the

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two rounds for the extra money,
and they they forced Golden Boy to stand

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by the contract. The idea was, if Mungia and his team are looking

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to short it, maybe he's not
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They ended up to appease California,
which they will do a twelve round non

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title fight, but they got at
the last minute. They got the WBC

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to sanctioned for the silver title to
give it a title fight to help the

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commission, Uh, you know,
sort of stick to what they prefer,

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which is have some kind of title
attached to a twelve rounder. And as

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you mentioned, the best laid plans
didn't work out because, uh, not

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00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,079
only did sergeate Defrenchenko would have emerged
as the victor on a majority decision.

405
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,920
Had it gone to our scorecards after
ten rounds, he would have been ahead

406
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:44,559
ninety six ninety four, ninety six
ninety four, and the third card would

407
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:49,000
have been five. But but Mungia, if he wasn't in, he must

408
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,319
have been in great shape because the
amount of punishment that they both took and

409
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,400
received and and dished out. Um. But the two rounds that he didn't

410
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,599
want are as you mentioned, they're
what salvashed his perfect record as he's undefeated,

411
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,039
and as far as the you know, I thought Oscar and Bernber gonna

412
00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:03,640
jump in the ring and start fighting
too. They weren't. In the third

413
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,880
route. They were right there in
the corral, right against that the barrier

414
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,640
there behind the commission. People absolutely
losing their minds Oscar with shadow boxing in

415
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,880
like the eighth night, he got
a good workout. I thought he was

416
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,480
in spar you know, in training
for another another comeback fight. But listen,

417
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,279
at the end of the day,
TJ JT, I'm sorry, that

418
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:23,119
was one of the that was.
That was a super enjoyable fight. And

419
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,000
by the way, besides just the
knockdown and how close it wasn't just the

420
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:33,680
savagery back and forth. The fifth
round timing, Mongia was as close to

421
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,559
being gone as you can be without
actually being knocked out. Sergei Diffrenchenko had

422
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,759
him out on his feet out.
I'm like, the fight's over. I

423
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,720
was actually thinking, oh good,
the fight's gonna be over well before Tiafimo

424
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:51,359
and Josh Taylor get to the ring. And somehow, some way, to

425
00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:55,799
credit Mongia's heart and balls, he
survived that that massive, massive destruction in

426
00:25:55,839 --> 00:26:00,039
that round and came back and and
one more point on this we have in

427
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,640
lamenting. That's the word I'll use
on a Sunday night, Dan Raphael.

428
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,599
We've been lamenting the lack of opposition
from Mungia, completely mismanaged, and finally

429
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,440
he's in there with a reputable guy
that can fire back on him, etc.

430
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,599
And he looked miserable at times trying
to defend himself. My god,

431
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,920
did he get hit a ton in
that fight. And I don't know how

432
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,519
well this bodes for him to be
a legit championship caliber contender when they've protected

433
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,960
him. That's the word that I'll
use with guys that really could not threaten

434
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,599
him, hurt him whatever. Up
until this point, for the last couple

435
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,319
of years at least anyway, man
was at eye opening because I mean,

436
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:42,039
Derevan Chinko landed round after round after
round, and credit Mungia for taking it.

437
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,119
But this is where I was just
sitting back. One final point from

438
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,079
you, going, this is what
happens when you actually challenge yourself, fight

439
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,599
credible competition, world championship competition,
if not a title challenge, this is

440
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,680
what you get in return. And
he's going to be listening. He's gonna

441
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,480
be better for this. I mean, here's the thing. When you're twenty

442
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,559
six now, you don't want him
to take that many shots. But at

443
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,599
his age, he still can be
in these types of battles and it won't

444
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:10,599
take that much out of him relatively
speaking. Obviously, he wanted to clean

445
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,440
up his defense, but they've been
trying to clean up his defense for ten

446
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,880
years. I mean, he is
who he is, but he's the kind

447
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,480
of fighter I believe is going to
become a better fighter because of this.

448
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,519
And when you're with a guy like
Eric Morrales, I kept thinking, Eric

449
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,400
Morrales, when he's in the corner
telling him what he wants him to do,

450
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,039
knows exactly what he's looking at.
Because Eric is one of the few

451
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,319
fighters that have been in those types
of worst time and again also knows exactly

452
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,799
what's going on. And I believe
that this is gonna make Monkey a more

453
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,680
confident fighter, a better fighter,
And we're gonna now I think see him

454
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,440
embark on a series of fights over
the next few years where he's fighting not

455
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,599
the complete nobody's and guys with no
shot to win. I told you,

456
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,079
I told everybody going to this fight, they were like well, Deverern Tengo

457
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:53,359
has got four losses. I'm gonna
give a fuck about four losses. The

458
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,000
four losses were a good quality guys. They were very competitive. He should

459
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:02,160
have been Golopkin that night. He
got robbed, in my opinion. He's

460
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,079
a real guy, maybe thirty seven, but he was in great shape.

461
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,599
He went to distance. He didn't
look I mean, he was hurt in

462
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,599
the twelfth round, but he did
a great job, and you know,

463
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,799
more power to him. This was
a good match on paper. It was

464
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,000
a great match in the ring,
and I think money is going to grow

465
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,359
from this fight. All right,
great stuff there, Let's move on.

466
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,799
We've got some fight news at some
nostalgia. Let's move on, though,

467
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,000
because earlier in the day, our
time, the match Room main event was

468
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:30,640
Sonny Edwards IBF flyweight Champion. Speaking
of things that we could almost set our

469
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,920
watch by. We knew, especially
against the little known opponent from Chile Campos,

470
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,119
we knew that Sonny Edwards was likely
going to win, but not win

471
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,799
by knockout because he doesn't knock people
out. So this was as advertised as

472
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,559
delivered. He did what he had
to do. The only thing I'm gonna

473
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:52,440
say is there's only so much interest
I'm talking about worldwide outside the UK.

474
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,279
If you're not a big enough puncher, you don't you're not flashy enough.

475
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,680
Yes, you're getting wins. So
I mean, this was the predicted outcome.

476
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:00,079
Everybody believed this is what was gonna
happen. He was gonna be a

477
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,480
slick boxer, score, not get
hit much and win. And that's what

478
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,200
pretty much happened from what I saw
of the highlights, et cetera. Give

479
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,079
me your thoughts on the Sonny Edwards
victory. Yeah, I mean that went

480
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,480
way it was supposed to go.
He won one seventeen to one to eleven

481
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:17,559
on all three score cards. When
he decided a box he couldn't h you

482
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:18,720
know, he didn't let the other
guy get near him. He said in

483
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,839
the post fight. You know there
was a couple of rounds where he decided

484
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,319
to stand in and and uh,
the other guy won a couple of those

485
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,720
rounds. But looks, Sonny Edwards
talks a lot of shit. He's a

486
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,799
good talker and he's a consummate boxer. He's never gonna be a big puncher.

487
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,319
Uh, you know, he's only
got what he's twenty and twenty wins,

488
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,759
no losses, and he only has
four wins by knockout. But if

489
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,200
he that, I didn't. I
mean, I've seen more boring Sonny Edwards

490
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,799
fights. I didn't think that fight
the other And I'm not trying to knock

491
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:47,079
Sonny. That was not like a
terrible fight. I mean it was more

492
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,480
boxing than slugging. But that's okay. He did a good job of He

493
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,720
stood in there a little bit Campos, he let him come to him,

494
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:56,720
kind of throw his shots, and
then he was able to use his defense

495
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,359
and his wheels and his legs and
his and his and his his ability to

496
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,279
move backwards and still fire punches on
the back foot. But it was it

497
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,799
was a solid win. But the
main thing about this was and not every

498
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,480
fight is cretty equal. Nobody expected
this to be some big, big fight

499
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,359
or some super fight. Everybody has
these in between kind of fight. He's

500
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,079
coming off like a seven month layoff, that's his first fights and signing with

501
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Matcham. The idea is to set
up the unification, so he's got to

502
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,119
get a little of the rust off, get get kind of back in the

503
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,599
groove. He did that against a
you know, a straightforward kind of opponent

504
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,640
who was undefeated, who showed a
lot of heart and took a lot of

505
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,799
good shots, and as Sonny talked
about in the pre fight and then immediately

506
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,920
after the fight, now it's about
the unification. So he's got this one

507
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000
out of the way. He got
his win, he got his matchroom debut,

508
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,519
he got his legs under him,
he got a paycheck. And now,

509
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,519
as Eddie Hern said in the post
fight standing with Sonny Edwards in the

510
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,920
ring, I guarantee you the next
fight for this man's gonna be unification.

511
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,359
And what that means is either it's
going to be come the end of the

512
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,279
year, it'll either be against Bam
Rodriguez or the WBO title as well as

513
00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,279
Sonny's IBF, or it'll be Schulio
sees Our Martinez for the WC title.

514
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,799
The way that the both fighters were
talking, it seems like it's going to

515
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,160
probably be against Bammar Rodriguez. We
gotta see how BAM's healing process has gone

516
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,559
from the broken jab that he suffered
when he won that vacant title earlier in

517
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,200
the year. Obviously, he had
dropped down from having had a title in

518
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,400
the one hundred and fifteen pound weight
class. But if you give me the

519
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:26,400
aggressive boxer puncher like Bam Rodriguez against
the consummate boxer in Sonny Edwards, they're

520
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,240
the two best guys in this weight
class. Most likely they're both undefeated.

521
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,559
That's a great matchup. That's a
good style fight, you know what,

522
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,200
and it's as flyweights go, that's
probably the best fight you can make in

523
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,440
the weight class. So that's a
fight that Eddie Hearn seems content on making

524
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,039
or desiring to make. That's the
fight that Sonny wants. I'm sure Bam

525
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Rodriguez got no problem with that given
the types of guys he's been fighting,

526
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,319
you know, taken on the kind
of guys he's fine quadras on short notice.

527
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,000
And then sir rong side, you
know, him and Sonny Edwards is

528
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,559
a good matchup. So you know, it's not always just about what we

529
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,880
saw Saturday. That wasn't a great
fight, but he got the job done

530
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,799
and he'll talk a lot of shit
and him and Dan will make a good

531
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:06,160
fight. I think. All right, stay tuned for that. And yes,

532
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,799
Sonny is a talker, there's no
doubt about that. On being able

533
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,680
to sell these things which we like, which we like with what we do

534
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,839
all right? And Adrian Broner,
Oh, dear god, it's on the

535
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,880
rundown. Adrian Broner was Victoria.
Wouldn't it be on the rundown? Because

536
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,759
the guy he's fighting is like a
club lad. He's more popular than Sonny

537
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,359
Edwards is. But yeah, well
to some here, we gotta give the

538
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,799
people what they want. My brother, we got to give him more of

539
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,279
Adrian Broner and Don King waving whatever
flag that was that he was waving in

540
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:36,000
the ring. They did have the
free tank shirts on the Broner all right,

541
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,680
what else from this Friday night?
As he beat We like the phrase

542
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,880
pillar to post, we haven't used
it recently. He beat this guy pillar

543
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,640
to post, Adrian Broner, world
class fighter versus a guy that's a lawyer

544
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,559
by trade. Okay, I will, I will, I will tip my

545
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,880
hat to the toughness. Yeah,
and the and the durability and the on

546
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,759
the heart and the will of Bill
Hutchinson, who took an absolute beating in

547
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,640
that fight. I thought it was
a shutout. The two judges are one

548
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,079
judge had it one hundred to ninety
two judges had at ninety nine ninety one

549
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,000
I actually scored one hundred to eighty
nine because one of the rounds where Adrian

550
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,640
beat him killer at a post,
I gave him a ten eight round without

551
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,759
a knockdown. But here's the thing
I don't I mean, I don't think

552
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,720
Browner's going back to world championship status. I do think he'll probably wind up

553
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,839
getting a more significant fight just because
of the fact that he did win.

554
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,000
He looked okay. Um, he's
got a big name. He has one

555
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,559
world tunnels and four weight classes,
so he's got that name recognition. Um,

556
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,039
he's a great villain, a figure
in any side of a promotion,

557
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,640
and Don King will will be a
yelling at from the rooftops. So I

558
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,960
don't want to make too much of
it. He was fighting a club fighter.

559
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,200
But if you're gonna go back to
the promised Land, you know you

560
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:45,599
gotta take the first step, and
it's one foot in front of the other

561
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,400
until you get there. So consider
this to be his first step. You

562
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,640
know, who knows where it's going
to lead. But given all the problems

563
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,279
and issues at Adrian Browner's head,
and I have to confess he's been like

564
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,799
my friend of me over the years
we've had our our. You know,

565
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,759
he's called me out and been a
very disrespectful on a personal level at news

566
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,960
conferences. I've given it right back
to him. But we've also had a

567
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:08,639
friendly relationship for a long time.
I have known Augerian since he was a

568
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:14,280
teenager when he first turned pro.
I kind of have a little bit of

569
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,360
a soft spot for him, you
know. I know the troubles he's been

570
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,239
through. I mean, some of
it's brought on him by himself. So

571
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,840
I don't excuse the boorish behavior and
some of the things he has done.

572
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:23,800
But I have to say, with
all the issues he's had, mental health

573
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,679
problems and all the other stuff,
you know what, I'm glad to see

574
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,760
him get his win and if he
can keep himself together and not be a

575
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,360
you know, so impetuous and do
things and get him in trouble. A

576
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,320
knucklehead, A knucklehead. I mean, we could say some other words about

577
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,599
him, you know, criminal at
times, you know, but I wish

578
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,000
the best for him. I know
it would be a great comeback story if

579
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,840
he can somehow climb the mountain again. So you know, I have to

580
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,639
say, in my heart, I'm
rooting for the kid to succeed not only

581
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,599
as a fighter, but just as
a human being and sort of get his

582
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,440
life together all right. And I
look for the Rayfield reporting on whether Don

583
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:06,360
King pays everybody this go around,
unlike the Dubois Trevor Bryan mess of last

584
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,719
summer. Let's see what listen.
I'm again, I'm not excusing what Don

585
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,840
did. But eventually they all did
get paid eventually. Okay, So there

586
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,239
is the recap of the fights in
the ring quickly. And we said a

587
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,760
lot about the Hall of Fame of
the last two two weeks, but hey,

588
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,920
there's only one weekend out of the
year where there's a Hall of Fame

589
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,679
induction for the International Boxing Hall of
Fame. It did happen Sunday. I

590
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,400
know you were watching the speeches.
I was watching you on social media while

591
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,599
I had other stuff going on as
well. I really thought it was neat

592
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,360
to back up to Friday night's Showtime
Showbox Card at the Turning Stone Resort where

593
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,400
they were interviewing all of the inductees
on Friday and talking to them. That

594
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,679
was very well done with Al Bernstein
and all the inductees hit the high spots

595
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,000
with me for a minute or two
what else out of the induction stood out

596
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,880
to you. Well, first of
all, I mean it was good because

597
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,440
the Hall of Fame made the entire
ceremony, which last of the probably about

598
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,960
two and a half hours, they
made an available on there on the International

599
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:04,079
Boxing Hall of Fame website. So
that was that was great because there was

600
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,880
a nice stream and you could you
know, it's I've had other times where

601
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,159
they didn't do that and you kind
of had to hunt around for stuff.

602
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,480
So it was beautiful that they were
able to put it there and you could

603
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,800
watch it all and you know,
good audio and everything. But it was

604
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,920
just it was a it was a
very, uh good ceremony. I enjoyed

605
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,960
it immensely. If you're if you're
into boxing history like I am, and

606
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,519
I have a special uh and I'm
not the only one. I know pretty

607
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,440
much all the different people that are
being inducted. I've and I know them

608
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,360
personally and you know, and so
it's it's just a thrill to see that.

609
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,480
So and you've been advocating for some
of them and voting for them,

610
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,159
and and you've mentioned this, whether
it's Timothy Bradley or others, this is

611
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,679
finally their moment. It had to
be a little rewarding. I'm not making

612
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,400
this about you, but it had
to be a little rewarding in that regard

613
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,360
where you're smiling and going, Okay, finally, here's their moment there,

614
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,880
let's let's hit hit the high spot. So Raphael Marquez, he only spoke

615
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,199
for about like thirty seconds about like
with a with a translator, so not

616
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,119
a lot to say about his induction
speech. Um Carl Froch spoke from the

617
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,519
heart. He said, he made
a few notes before him, but he

618
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:01,800
hit the spots and talked about his
career. I thought one of his most

619
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,719
poignant things he said was he said, I may not have beaten everybody and

620
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,320
been the best all the time,
but one thing I wasn't when that was

621
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,920
a quitter. Because I've never been
a quitter. And if you are a

622
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,400
quitter, you don't get into the
international boxing all of fame. And he

623
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:19,400
rightfully earned his position with his victories
and his uh you know, his his

624
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:23,000
great resume. And he did make
fun of himself because he said so many

625
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:27,519
times after he defeated George Groves in
their rematch that he had fought in front

626
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,360
of eighty thousand at Wimbley Stadium that
kind of became like a thing on social

627
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,159
media, and you know, people
mocked him because he couldn't ever not say

628
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,159
eighty thousand. So we talked about
how when he made his h his first

629
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,559
world championship fight, he was in
front of like eight thousand people in Nottingham

630
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:40,719
and he said, oh, by
the way, you know, when I

631
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,679
had my last fight, it was
in front of eighty thousand. So he

632
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,519
was taking a good a good nature
poking himself. You know Carl's uh,

633
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,119
you know, he's kind of sneaky, low key like that, So that

634
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,800
I was happy to see that.
Timothy Bradley gave a very good, heartfelt

635
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,239
speech. He talked about, you
know, just all the things that he

636
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,400
went into him getting to where he
was, the training with this father and

637
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,239
going to the gym the first time
and having the old man there that I

638
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,800
forget the man's name that was his
original the Jim, and he first went

639
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,440
to and and actually said to him, you know, like patted him in

640
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,679
the chess when he saw him work
out or something the first time in the

641
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,000
gym, said you're gonna be a
world champion. He didn't like believe him

642
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,239
or nobody was talking about. But
he recounted that story and the other story

643
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,679
he said, which you know will
stick with me a long time. I

644
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,519
never knew this particular story. He's
down the night the morning of his first

645
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:27,280
world title fight in Nottingham, England, which is kind of, as Carl

646
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,480
Frost pointed, ironic, that Timothy
Bradley won his first world title on Carl

647
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,440
Frog's hometown of Nottingham. That on
the morning of that fight, when his

648
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:37,000
wife Monica arrived in England, she
told him, we only we only have

649
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:40,159
eleven dollars in our checking account.
I spent three hundred of our of our

650
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:45,199
three hundred eleven dollars on my plane
ticket. You have to win, and

651
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,679
Timothy and Bradley talked about how that
stuck with him. He went out that

652
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,400
won the world title on enemy territory, and he went on to make tens

653
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,239
of millions of dollars. And his
goal in boxing wasn't so much necessary to

654
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,239
be a world champion, was to
make sure that he and his family were

655
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360
never broke again. And he has
done that in spades. So I was

656
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,280
thrilled for Tim Bradley. I've advocated
for his inclusion in the Hall of Fame

657
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,840
for years, and then of the
of the other people that were in being

658
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,559
inducted, that we're not actually boxers
in the ring. You know. Tim

659
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,400
Ryan spoke about his days covering the
great fights with CBS. He gave a

660
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:20,280
beautiful tribute to his late partner Gil
Clancy on the broadcast, who's also in

661
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,039
the Hall of Fame, said Abraham
talked about being now I believe it was

662
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:28,639
the fourteenth person closely associated with HBO
in the Boxing Hall of Fame set.

663
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:31,719
Of course, as the architect of
what became the modern HBO Sports boxing franchise.

664
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,320
It wouldn't have been in existence without
this man and all the things that

665
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,199
he did. He gave a beautiful
speech. Brad Jacobs talked about Brad Jacobs,

666
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,039
of course as as chief operating officer
of Top Rank and how how meaningful

667
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,559
was for him to spearhead the ability
for them to come up with the proper

668
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,960
protocols to bring fights back during COVID
among his various things that he has accomplished

669
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,679
in his great career. He paid
tribute. A lot of people paid tribute

670
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,280
to Bob Aram who was there.
You know, he came up from the

671
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,000
New York fight on Saturday to be
there to see his employees Brad Jacobs and

672
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,920
Brad Goodman be inducted, and Brad
Goodman kicked off the speeches in terms of

673
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,320
the non part of the non boxers. And first of all, I'll give

674
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,360
a shout out to Brad who gave
me a shout out in his speech,

675
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,320
along with some of the other people
that have that have been close to him

676
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,039
through the years in boxing. Like
I said on the preview, Brad has

677
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,559
been a very close personal friend of
mine for about thirty years. It was

678
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,440
a guest in my wedding, I've
stated at his home. I mean,

679
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,559
he's my boy. But here's the
thing. He gave a great speech and

680
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,480
pay tribute to the people that helped
him get where he was. And then

681
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,159
he had a great ending to a
speech which I didn't know about. He

682
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,840
kept this a secret. He said
a lot of people always ask me as

683
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,400
a matchmaker, what's the best match
you've ever made? And he said,

684
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,880
you know, I thought he was
gonna say some great champion he helped,

685
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,239
you know, build up, or
some big title fight or whatever. He

686
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,360
said, the best match ever made. She's sitting in the front row.

687
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,320
And then he proposed to his girlfriend
Vivian at the end of the speech.

688
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:57,360
I'm pretty weird. Wait, I
can go relive this on video, and

689
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,559
so can the audience. He popped
the question at the Hall of Fame while

690
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:05,119
giving his induction speech. I gotta
say this now, at the very end

691
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,559
of a speech that was this closing
remarks, he asked her to marry him.

692
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,960
He had the rain. He went
down in the crowd, and again,

693
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,079
I'm assuming that she said yes.
And the reason why I'm assuming that

694
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,440
is because after the ceremony was over, Brad and I were texting with each

695
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,079
other and he didn't say anything like
that. She said no, and he

696
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,119
seemed in a very good mood.
So I'm assuming that all is good and

697
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,360
that there's gonna be some wedding goals
in the future. So that was wow.

698
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,320
So the thing that was hilarious was
that Brad Jacobs, who was his

699
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,840
colleague at top rank, was next
up. After Brad gave his speech.

700
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,320
Brad was first, and then Brad
Jacobs was second, and Brad was very

701
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,400
funny when he did. Then you
know, that's a tough act to follow,

702
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,440
you no doubt so. And then
the other person that made a great

703
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,719
speech that I totally enjoyed was when
the trainer and also broadcaster Joe Goosen gave

704
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,519
his induction speech, and it was
a large and large measure was a tribute

705
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:54,719
to his late brother, who was
my dear friend, Dan Goosen, who

706
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,960
passed several years ago. And he
talked about all the reasons why he wouldn't

707
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,639
be in the Hall of Fame.
It wasn't for his brother, and he

708
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:04,360
went through the laundry list of things
that why that was the case. And

709
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,760
you know, it was from a
personal standpoint and from as a person who

710
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,920
loves the boxing history that surrounds All
the Fame, I just totally loved the

711
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,119
way that it went. And uh, you know, anybody can watch it

712
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,079
on the International Boxing All the Fame's
YouTube channel. You don't have to sit

713
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,119
there all two and a half hours
or so. Over that you can go

714
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,679
into the you know, to the
folks you would most be interested to see.

715
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,039
There was a few people that didn't
make it. The women's candidates that

716
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,599
were there. Laura Serranto, she
made her speech on video. Alicia Ashley,

717
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:35,239
she was there. She gave a
speech about having been a dancer who

718
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,639
suffered a terrible knee injury that actually
allowed her then to become a boxer,

719
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,280
and talked about all the trails that
she had in getting where she went to.

720
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:45,039
It was just a great ceremony.
I loved it, all right,

721
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:50,039
tremendous stuff, including that from Brad
Goodman. How about that with the proposal

722
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:52,519
get down on a knee. I
love that he didn't actually get on the

723
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,039
knee. He said it from the
podium. I would assume though, that

724
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:59,199
he went down to the life,
even if we didn't see it on video.

725
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:00,239
At some point. You gotta do
that, you got it. He

726
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,199
didn't get on any he hand,
he gave her the ring. I mean,

727
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,199
that's it, okay, all right, all right, but it's still

728
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,719
it's boxing Hall of Fame induction proposals
are probably few and far between. That's

729
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,639
big time I'm giving. My wife
knows Brad also, So I told,

730
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,840
you know. She was out today
with my son and that sort of thing,

731
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239
doing a few things, and I
told her. When she got home,

732
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,760
I explained to her what she knew
he was getting inducted. I said

733
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,960
to her what happened, and then
I reminded her she didn't really I don't

734
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,800
think remember this aspect of it.
I said this. Raphael Marquez was one

735
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,960
of the inductees. One of Raphael
Marquez's biggest victories in his career. Most

736
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,000
people remember him for the great series
of fights he had against Israel Vasquez,

737
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,440
but his probably biggest win was when
he became the bandomweight champion when he knocked

738
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,679
out Tim Austin, who was a
tremendous champion, had been an Olympian and

739
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,960
uh you know at some point was
on people's pound for poundless. So the

740
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,599
night that he knocked out Tim Austin
on a boxing after dark on HBO,

741
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,480
I watched the fight and reminded my
wife that it was after watching that broadcast

742
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,199
late that night is when I proposed
to my wife. After alright, okay,

743
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,880
you got romantic after a fight.
What else is new in Rayfield's world?

744
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,760
I love that about you. All
right, great planned? It wasn't

745
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,480
like I was. It was.
It was the plan all along. But

746
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,800
I mean I had to watch the
fight first. You know, I got

747
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,239
you trumped on that. I didn't
do it after a boxing match. I

748
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,760
did it on Christmas Eve at eleven
forty five with my wife and I after

749
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,639
all the Christmas Eve stuff, not
even opening gifts yet and to say she

750
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,519
was stunned. She didn't say anything. She couldn't say anything for like thirty

751
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:31,239
seconds, and it freaked me out. In the end, she did say

752
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,719
yes. Eventually she got yes out
and it all worked out in the end.

753
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,599
I love this about the Hall of
Fame inductions. This is great stuff.

754
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,239
All right, some news and some
nostalgia and then we're done here.

755
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:46,480
On the recap, Showtime did make
an announcement that Noneito Donnair has an opponent

756
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:51,960
and it is for the vacant WBC
Bannom weight title, a belt that he

757
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:57,719
has had before. In fact,
he's the oldest WBC bannom weight champion ever,

758
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,400
not just by the way, Yeah
all ba a bad but yes,

759
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:05,440
and I and and now he's trying
to get the same title back again,

760
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:07,199
So tell me more real quick on
the details. Yeah, I mean,

761
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,960
the fact that this fight is happening
is not a surprise. He's gonna fight

762
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:15,039
Alexandro Santiago for the vacant WBC title. Of course, at the end of

763
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:20,320
last year, in a way,
he became the undisputed champion, unified all

764
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,519
four belts, and everybody knew there
was going to be a free for all

765
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:24,679
because he was moving up and wait, he vacated everything. He's going into

766
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,800
the ring in July to challenge Stephen
Fulton for the unified title at Junior Featherrueight.

767
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,599
So it left these belts vacant.
So back in February, which was

768
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:35,800
you know, a few weeks I
guess, or a month or so after

769
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:39,679
in a way vacated, the WBC
ordered don't air versus Santiago for the vacant

770
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,920
title. So now the fight has
been made. I kind of knew it

771
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
was it was made. I just
wasn't sure exactly when it was going to

772
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,559
be a figure who would wind up
on one of these showtime cards. But

773
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,400
during the showbox card at the end
when they were going over their upcoming schedule,

774
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,039
they said, in fact that Don't
Air versus Santiago will take place on

775
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,159
July fifteenth. It will be at
the Cosmopolitan in Las Vegas. Will be

776
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,039
in the co feature of the fight
card that is headlined by Frank Martin against

777
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:08,840
Harry you Tunion, which is a
lightweight eliminator. And so that's that's a

778
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,199
pretty good card. Donaor is a
big name and someday not too distant future,

779
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,159
when he's retired three years. Hence, we'll be talking to him about

780
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,519
him being elected to the Boxing All
of Fame on the first ballot, because

781
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,320
he's that caliber of a fighter.
If he wins his bantomwaight title, it'll

782
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,360
just be another great entry onto his
resume. It'll sort of be a cherry

783
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,239
on top. If he doesn't win
the fight, it doesn't impact his legacy

784
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,639
at all. He's post forty as
a bantam weight. He has won titles

785
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,519
in uh, you know, at
flyweight, at danomweight, at junior featherweight,

786
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,639
at featherweight. He's beating lots of
top guys. He's been in the

787
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,000
ring with a lot of guys.
He's a great knockout puncher, and he's

788
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:47,320
one of the most beloved fighters among
other fighters and media and fans in the

789
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,880
business. Just a first class guy
and I'm glad to see he's getting other

790
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,199
opportunity, you know, in what
is the twilight of his career, all

791
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,760
right. And also, Isaac Pittbull
Cruise, you were talking about this in

792
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,840
the preview mode. We now know
the opponent that he's going to have coming

793
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,679
up as well. You have more
on that well, yea, as we

794
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,920
spoke about on one of the recent
podcasts that he's going to be in probably

795
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,239
in the co feature when it comes
time July twenty ninth for Errol Spence versus

796
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:20,880
Terence Crawford, and they're a huge
fight. But now we know that he's

797
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,760
going to be facing Giovanni Cabret,
who was an undefeated fighter at twenty one

798
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,000
and oh out of Chicago. A
lot of people thought wasn't he with top

799
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,039
rank. He was with top rank, he had had given a beatdown against

800
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:34,880
Gabriel Flores Jr. Top Rank ended
up releasing him, and so he was

801
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,639
able to go his own way,
and now he's landed this fight against pit

802
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,760
Bull Cruz and it should be a
pretty solid fight on that undercart I think

803
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,440
most people look at Cruz as,
you know, the guy that that can

804
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,960
win and perhaps set up a rematch
with Tank Davis when a Tank is ready

805
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,800
and able to get back in the
ring post his current jail sentence. But

806
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,440
Cabret is undefeated and probably shouldn't be
underestimated and shout out to Tank Davis because

807
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,480
seven days later, he hasn't done
anything else to compound the problems him last

808
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:06,519
Sunday, not that we know of
for his incarceration currently for the next sixty

809
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,679
days or so. All right,
nostalgia and then we are done. As

810
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:16,159
we released the podcast late Sunday into
Monday, it is what the eighteenth anniversary

811
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:21,880
of Mike Tyson's final fight. We
joked on the preview podcast that Lennox Lewis

812
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,199
knocked him into Bolivion. He went
to Bolivion after the knockout loss to Lennox

813
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,920
Lewis two thousand and two. Three
years later his final fight, a loss

814
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,199
to Kevin McBride. That's the answer
to the trivia question. And you were

815
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,559
there ring side on that nostalgia There
any any recollections real quick? Oh,

816
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:38,639
I have a lot of recollections.
I mean, the fight took placed at

817
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:43,280
what is at the time was called
the MCI Center now it's the Capitol One

818
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,679
Arena. It's the same arena where
Tank Davis had the fight in January against

819
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:52,840
Hector Luis Garcia. It's about twenty
four miles from my driveway. And in

820
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,199
fact, when Tank Davis had the
fight in January, that was the first

821
00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,119
fight in that building since that Mike
Tyson fight back in twenty five. I

822
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,119
was working at ESPN at the time. And because of the fight being in

823
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,880
Washington and very close proximity to where
I live, I spent a lot time

824
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,960
with Tyson that week. I had
spent time with him at the gym,

825
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,880
I had spent time with him during
the pre fight build up. I had

826
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:20,039
had like three interviews with him.
I worked the way in for a sports

827
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,679
center and did interviews when the guys
came off the scale. So I was

828
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,960
around Mike quite a bit. And
what I remember, more so than just

829
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,519
the fact that he lost and retired, we're two things. And I wrote

830
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,679
I wrote extensively about it at the
time, about going to the gym that

831
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,440
was owned by Mark two Sharp,
Johnson's father in Washington, d C.

832
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,920
That's about the size of my living
room, a tiny, tiny little gym,

833
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,800
and watching Mike. Their gym was
so small they couldn't even get a

834
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,400
regulation ring there. Instead of a
twenty or twenty two by twenty two ring

835
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,719
in the door, I think the
ring they sparted was like sixteen by sixteen.

836
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,159
I was just looked like a phone
booth. So I had like to

837
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,599
sit down interview with Mike and also
his manager at the time, Shelley and

838
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,159
and his trainer was the Hall of
Famer Jeff Fennick, who was a great

839
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:07,440
fighter in his own right. So
we played like twenty questions. It was

840
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:12,679
like Raphael and Tyson, twenty different
topics, just all kinds of things about

841
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,840
his life and career, and he
was great about it. You can still

842
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,559
google that on It's on the ESPN
website still. And I watched him spar

843
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:22,159
This is like a week before the
fight. This is like, I think

844
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,360
his list is actually literally his final
sparring session. I want to say it

845
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,519
was like on the weekend before the
fighter, maybe the Monday of fight week,

846
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:34,199
he had a sparring session with an
Australian fighter named Bob Mirrovic and he

847
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,360
when I say he laid a beating
on this dude, he laid a beating

848
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,760
on this dude. That's That was
the second time I had sat ringside in

849
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,280
a private setting where I was the
only media person allowed and watched Mike spar

850
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,000
I had had a similar experience watching
the spar his last sparring session before he

851
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,960
fought Andrew Galata in a two thousand. But uh, Mike just pummeled the

852
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,280
guy, and I'm like, he's
gonna blow Kevin mcgride away. I mean,

853
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,960
there was no doubt in my mind. I mean, I know that

854
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:04,679
wasn't a exactly an uncommon prediction.
But when I saw the way he sparred

855
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,599
that day and how excited and how
happy Fennick was about the sparring session,

856
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,199
I'm like, Okay, it's gonna
be a whole It's gonna be a beatdown

857
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,719
fight night. Well it turned out
that Ken McBride took it too Tyson and

858
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:19,679
knocked him down and basically made him
quit, and he announced his retirement at

859
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,039
the press commerce And what I remember, also, again these I remember these

860
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,880
things more than the fight itself was
was a couple of things. Talking to

861
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,360
Kevin McBride when he came off the
scale, you know, when you're in

862
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,079
that situation live on Sports Center,
you got a chance to ask like two

863
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:35,440
questions. Well the response I forget
what the question was exactly, but McBride

864
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,679
started talking about how he was going
to be in perfect mental shape for the

865
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,840
fight and ready to go because of
all the work he had done with this

866
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,800
hypnotist. I was like, what
the hypnotist? So we got to do

867
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,880
with thinking about the hypnotist. That's
the first thing. And then the second

868
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,960
thing was Tyson after the postfight press
commerce was over. Myself and my long

869
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:58,360
time colleague, a per former colleague
from USA Today, the great columnist John

870
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,639
Saracino, who had covered boxing for
the paper before I did, and he

871
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,039
became a columnist and I was hired
to cover boxing. That Tyson gave John

872
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:08,480
and I like an audience. It
was just a two of us for like

873
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,840
a half an hour, and basically
he was a stream of conscience that spelled

874
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,119
his guts about you know, I
don't have the heart for this anymore,

875
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:16,760
I don't want to do this anymore. Just was a tremendous experience to be

876
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,360
there with Tyson in just such a
raw atmosphere in the moments after he's announced

877
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,360
his retirement. Now, maybe at
the time we didn't necessarily believe it because

878
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,199
it's boxing, and as I mentioned
earlier, you don't always believe what these

879
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,079
guys say in the heat of the
moment, and that they can change your

880
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,800
mind. But ultimate Tyson never did
come back for an official fight. He

881
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,239
had a couple of exhibitions and such, But I have lasting memories of being

882
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,880
there sitting with Mike for you know, a long period of time and just

883
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,360
hearing them just pour it out like
a Catharsis, almost like we were the

884
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,400
bartenders, I guess, and talking
about why he just didn't want to fight

885
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,079
anymore. So that was his last
fight, and I have a lot of

886
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,360
members of that week. He did
fight Roy Jones, notably in an exhibit

887
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:58,639
abition that does not go down on
the official record, and the last two

888
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,599
fights are both losses. On the
Hall of Fame. He forgot the exhibition

889
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:07,320
he had against Corey Sanders, the
fighter from Rising, not the South African

890
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,599
Corey centers, but the Washington DC
Corey centers, who were right. I'm

891
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:14,639
glad I did and I'm glad I
did forget that. So there you go

892
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,480
on Mike Tyson and one other piece
of nostalgia, and that is on Monday.

893
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,559
It is the anniversary of Thomas Hearns
and Sugar Ray Lenard two, the

894
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:27,760
second fight taking place June twelfth,
nineteen eighty nine, thirty four years ago.

895
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,960
Talk about bad decisions. Bad decisions
have been around in boxing for decades.

896
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,119
Again, I keep I keep making
you smile because all the gen Zers,

897
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:37,440
all the all the twenty some things, they all think boxing started in

898
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:42,679
two thousand and nine. No bad
decisions were going on in nineteen eighty nine

899
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,119
as well, and I was as
big as Sugar Ray Lenard fan at this

900
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:49,039
point. You were a fan like
I was a teenage fan with the same

901
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,599
age. I am the first one
to admit a Thomas Hearns beat him that

902
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,159
night, He knocked him down.
He beat him that night, and yet

903
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,719
still didn't get his hand raised.
The fight ends up being a draw thirty

904
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,000
four years ago. And unfortunately for
Tommy Hearns out of out of all those

905
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,800
fights with the Four Kings, Uh
fighting Letter twice, bombing Roberto Duran and

906
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,719
getting knocked out by Marvin Hagler,
he only got his hand raised once in

907
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,360
the ko of of Durant. He
should have had it raised twice against Ray.

908
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:17,719
And I'm a Ray letterd fan and
he should have won on decision on

909
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,800
the on that fight. What are
your recollections there? I'm a huge Sugar

910
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,400
Read Leonard fan and Uh, I
mean he's one of the all time greats

911
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,719
and just one of the greatest fighters
in history of the sport. And having

912
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,880
had the opportunity to work with him
as a as a broadcast colleague and to

913
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,159
get to know him a bit over
the years. He's just you know,

914
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:37,000
he's a great guy. I'm a
I'm a big fan of Ray personally as

915
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,079
well as professionally. But on that
night, you know, he got his

916
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,480
ass kick. Basically, he got
knocked down two times in the third round

917
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,440
and in the eleventh round. Uh, and they called it a draw.

918
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,320
I think Ray will be the you
know, if you get him in a

919
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,599
in a in an honest moment,
we'll admit, yeah, Tommy probably got

920
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,000
the better me that night. Um, but the reality is that that Ray

921
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,000
won when it when it not that
that didn't count. All those four Kings

922
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,800
fights counted. They were all all
big, they're all important, But the

923
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,360
big one was in nineteen eighty one
when uh he did I take that back

924
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,760
in nineteen eight No, no,
you're right. September September eighty one,

925
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,280
the first Leonard Hurts fight, when
they were both welterweight champions for the undisputed

926
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,679
championship. Uh, Tommy was undefeated. You know, Ray just had the

927
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,119
one loss to Duran in their first
fight, had won a few fights since

928
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,960
then. This was Leonard Hearns won
one of the biggest fights in the history

929
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,199
of boxing, period and on that
night, Ray stopped them around fourteen,

930
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,239
and it took them another eight years
or seven years or so eight and a

931
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,320
half years to get a rematch.
They finally did it. And remember the

932
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,480
first fight was that welter weight.
The rematch was a super middleweight and uh,

933
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:43,239
you know Ray defended his title on
that night. He retained it because

934
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,360
it was a draw. And that
that's probably when you think about a TJ.

935
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:51,480
Of the nine fights between Leonard,
Hearns, Duran and Haggler, the

936
00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:54,760
only one that really ended with any
controversy was that fight, because if you

937
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,920
take a look at all the other
matches in the in the in the series,

938
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:01,440
there was no there's no controversy when
Hagler knocks out Earns, there's no

939
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:07,480
controversy when Leonard knocks out her other
than Haggler durand because Duran was competitive,

940
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:12,199
but I believe Hagler won that night. That wasn't Yeah, there was no

941
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,000
controversy. I mean, you know, nobody argued that THEIRS knocked Leonard down

942
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:22,719
twice and still get did not get
the decision that night. Done just it's

943
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,280
amazing getting two knockdowns. It's not
automatically when you win up close fight.

944
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,440
But in a close fight that should
matter to help push you across, and

945
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,039
it did not matter that night.
He still didn't get to this. I'm

946
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:36,119
gonna give you an example. On
the night that Tyson Fury knocked down Deontay

947
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,719
wild I'm sorry, on the night
that Deontay Wilder knocked down Tyson Fury twice

948
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,880
in their first fight, he got
a draw also, and I agreed with

949
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,760
that because in my opinion of that
first fight between Theory and fuck everybody that

950
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,840
says I'm a hater and that I'm
wrong, because I defy, you know,

951
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,639
you take the the what everybody says
that it was a close fight.

952
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,000
But I'm gonna tell you right now, the reason why Fury and Wilder was

953
00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:00,079
not such a clear cut win for
Fury is based on and I've talked to

954
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:04,880
other people that agree with me,
it's the first four rounds is where the

955
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,360
difference is. Because yes, he
got outboxed a lot in the last you

956
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,760
know, eight rounds of the fight
other than the knockdown rounds, but those

957
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,920
first four rounds can definitely go either
way there with that close but putting that

958
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,400
aside, in terms of Ray,
Leonard and Tommy in the rematch, there

959
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,480
were no other controversial fights that Duran. Leonard was not controversial. Durand clearly

960
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,960
won the first fight, the second
fight. The only quote unquote controversy was

961
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,199
because Duran quit. But it wasn't
like and make him quit and win and

962
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,599
all. You know, you mentioned
Haggler versus Durand was competitive, but nobody

963
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:37,079
said it was controversial. Leonard versus
Durand three was a wipeout for Ray that

964
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,719
was not competitive at all. The
only one where there was you know,

965
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,000
oh, oh, I guess I
should. There was controversy in Leonard versus

966
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:49,960
Haggler, but this one was even
more so because Leonard versus Haggler there was

967
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,320
a lot of people that thought that
Leonard one myself and put it in.

968
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,679
There was plenty people to think that
Marvin won. Plenty of people the thing,

969
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,920
and so that was very split.
In terms of Leonard versus Hearns two,

970
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,920
pretty much everybody thought that win.
So that's why I view it as

971
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:08,159
far more controversial than Leonard versus Haggler. And by the way, let's tie

972
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,199
it right back when the great fight. By the way, that's the other

973
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:13,639
thing it was, it lived up
to it. It's if you were ranking

974
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,199
of the four King fights, it's
probably like the third third of the nine

975
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,800
fights. Had you know you got
Haggler Hearns, you got Leonard Hearns one,

976
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,480
you got Haggler Leonard. It's probably
like the fourth best of the of

977
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,079
the nine but those that are in
the Hearns camp. Though, the only

978
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,519
disappointment is is that Tommy Hearns had
to wait eight years to get the rematch.

979
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,599
Because there's more than one person has
pointed out, Ray Leonard got a

980
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:39,039
rematch with Roberto Duran like immediately,
like what within four months, three or

981
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:42,880
four months they were back fighting again. He had to he had to wait

982
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,559
eight years for the opportunity and still
didn't get the hand raised. And one

983
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:50,480
more note tying it back to the
legendary Tim Ryan and Gil Plancy who were

984
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:53,920
always on the call of a lot
of the Thomas Hearns early championship wins and

985
00:58:54,000 --> 00:59:00,000
knockout wins on CBS. They eventually
were broadcast partners with Ray Leonard on CBS.

986
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:01,760
Yes, a lot of people don't
remember this, but Leonard would join

987
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,840
them from time to time, not
every week, but he was there a

988
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:12,360
lot. Was on HBOS as a
commentator in and around that far more than

989
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,880
some and HBO he was the permanent
commentator from years, but I mean he

990
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,559
was not every week with Ryan and
Clancy on those shows. He was maybe,

991
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,480
as I recollect there three or four
times a year on CBS. But

992
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,960
one of the things that goes back
into this is Ray wasn't as active,

993
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,880
maybe as a lot of other fighters
would have been, because he was catching

994
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,599
big time checks. Much like rayheel
catching big time checks from HBO and CBS

995
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,440
as a commentator. And that ties
back to Tim Ryan and Gil Clancy and

996
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,880
I still love you do two going
down the rabbit hole on YouTube and go

997
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,840
back and watch them. I mean, like, for example, we began

998
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:52,039
the podcast talking about Julio Caesar Chavez
just real quick on the commentary of the

999
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:58,599
Mungia fight. You go back and
watch Chavez's US debut in the championship fight

1000
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,400
on Network TV. That is Tim
Ryan, Gil Clancy and Sugar Ray Leonard

1001
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:07,760
calling it on an afternoon on CBS
against Roger Mayweather. And I've got a

1002
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:13,320
hole and watched that, but that
certainly wasn't chob is his debut and championship

1003
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,320
fights, not championship fights, but
on Network TV in the us on CBS

1004
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,880
when he was introduced to the to
the American audience. Ray Leonard's on the

1005
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,360
call with them on CBS. I'm
just very nostalgic with the broadcasters two on

1006
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:28,599
that so great stuff all the way
around. Man. We had a full

1007
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recap, excellent job with lots here. We got a regions program world title

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fight later this weekend in New Orleans. We got Tim Zoo for the interim

1009
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,800
WBO title. What is the update
quick answer on the dog bite? Do

1010
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,079
we know definitively he's all good to
go as far as we know for fight

1011
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:47,960
week here because by the time we
released the podcast, it's Monday in Australia

1012
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,199
already, so it's fight week for
Zoo and Ocampo. Right by the way,

1013
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,599
as we taped this podcast on side
night, it's already Monday, and

1014
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that's correct. As I know,
everything is one percent going forward to a

1015
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:01,880
matter of fact, before we got
on this Zoom call to tape this podcast,

1016
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:07,000
I got like my second or third
uh email blast from No Limit Boxing,

1017
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,079
which is the promoter of Tim Zoo
giving us the fight week schedule.

1018
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:14,519
When the availabilities are uh you know
the details on what the timing is for

1019
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:16,639
when they're having their press conference,
way In's photo ops, interviews all that.

1020
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:21,000
So they're moving ahead like there's no
uh, no problem. And they've

1021
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,199
been promoting this. They they promoted
it at the end of the Showbox on

1022
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:28,440
Friday night to you know, on
the showtime broadcast. So this is happening

1023
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,920
and again and again. It is
Sunday afternoon in Australia the Gold Coast Arena.

1024
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,519
There again he's a prominent popular figure
in Australia, and it's Saturday night

1025
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:40,360
in the US that we'll see that
Tim Zoo Campo fight. With all things

1026
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,960
being equals, We got that later
a week, my friend, great job

1027
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,920
with all the fight recaps, the
nostalgia about the Hall of Fame and the

1028
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,119
other fights. Appreciate it as always, Dan Rayphael, thank you all right.

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01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:55,199
We'll look forward to uh previewing next
week. Yes, and and by

1030
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,519
the way, I've not mentioned this
throughout the program. There was one of

1031
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:00,440
us out of the two that had
a female Lopez plus three fifty on a

1032
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:07,000
decision prop on the bet US show. It was not you but better luck

1033
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:13,000
next time. On that there was
also somebody that is something like uh fourteen

1034
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:15,400
and two in the last three weeks. I wanted to say fifty fights over

1035
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,280
five hundred as well. I'm just
helping on with your own record fifty fights

1036
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,719
over five hundred on that, but
I did give it was a good pick

1037
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,000
on t fema. But uh as
as I've said to before, you've been

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01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,000
a blind squirrel gets a nut once
in a while, and I have had

1039
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the blindfold on throughout our prognosticating days. That US show will be back on

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Friday. Brother, have a good
week. Thank you, Dan Ray feel

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01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:36,400
Man. I will talk to you. There is the one and only.

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01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:45,599
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1044
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,840
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1045
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,159
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