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What is a fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am Dan Valley coming at you

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with a solo and by our standards
abbreviated podcast today going to be digging into

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some way too soon twenty twenty three
NBA trade deadline predictions. I will cannon

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ball into that in a moment.
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Knox. I don't know what the
hell happened there. Any who, I

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wrote about NBA trade deadline predictions very
at the start of the season, and

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I want to see how they aged, and so I will talk about that.

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But these are also predictions that I
think for the most part, I

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will still believe some of them though
have aged very poorly. But I will

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say for anyone who thinks that it's
too early for the twenty twenty three NBA

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trade deadline talk, this is not
the main pod. This is not the

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focus of how we do coverage here, So we're not talking. If people

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ask questions about Tracy, will answer
them, but that's not our primary focus.

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It's also not a problem if podcasts
focus on that trades are part of

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the NBA. Also, time has
a way of speeding up. Remember how

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one moment we were in the dead
of summer wondering as a family how and

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why the Dever Nuggets managed to hash
out a contract with DeAndre Jordan two point

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seven seconds into free agency. For
the next moment, we're you know,

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our neighbors are putting up inflatable winter
holiday decorations that billow in the wind,

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like Kevin Duran's allegiance to the Brooklyn
Nets. The lead up to the trade

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deadline is going to pass just as
quickly. One minute, we're all wondering

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how long the Lorie marketing error Utah
Jazz Dynasty will last. The next we're

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gonna be glued to Twitter wondering if
a report from the Unverified Avatar List multiple

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Sauces nine about Luka Dante's growing weary
of playing Christian Wood shadow real question of

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trade is actually true. This is
all to say we can talk about the

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trade deadline in a responsible fashion.
I did structure it for anyone who's wondering

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in the interests of maybe, potentially
possibly actually getting a prediction correct. I

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decided that consequentially reasonable is going to
be the theme here. I want my

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crystal ball gazing to have a shred
of accuracy while also stepping out on some

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limbs. So let's head to the
Hall of Uninformed prophecies and see what I

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cooked up a few weeks ago.
The action will start earlier that normal,

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is my first prediction. December fifteenth
is deemed the unofficially official start of NBA

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trade season since that's when a majority
of free agents who signed contracts over the

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summer can be first dealt. But
this demarcation line is beyond arbitrary. The

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line share. Free agents for the
previous offseason aren't actually jettison just because they're

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eligible. This waiting period is more
about teams freaking out what they have and

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who they are overall, and then
letting the buyers and sellers market develop based

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off those results. That delay won't
exist this year. There will be more

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action than months leading up to the
deadline than we're typically used to seeing.

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I think they may not be blockbustern
moves, but these moves also won't purely

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happen because the Los Angeles Lakers are
currently imploding. Instead, we should expect

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prospective sellers to act with more haste, especially those who are too inadvertently good

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to be deliberately awful. I wrote
that I don't think team CEO Denny Age

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will stand for the Jazz being within
earshot of five hundred that has aged pretty

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poorly. The Spurs were supposed to
be the most organically bad team in the

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league. They're not gonna let their
respectable start slide. I don't think that's

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a team that's gonna move. Jo
Stritchers and Yaka Pearle, Doug mc dermott,

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other sellers will also emerge from the
woodwork. I think we're gonna see

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Charlotte flirt with this at some point, and there will also just be teams

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that are looking to out lose franchises
and try to deal themselves into top three

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lottery odds, and that that could
be you know, there could be some

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shocking teams there. Like I do
think this is the year that we also

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see Eric Gordon get moved by Houston. It could be a matter of when,

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and perhaps that takes longer, but
I think some of these calls get

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made sooner, including a team like
Washington where like they're sort of hovering near

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the bottom of the league. They
just beat the Mavericks though post recording this,

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so maybe they're not a team that
gets there. But I do think

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there are candidates to just sort of
you know, there's there's the there's the

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usual suspects, Like I said,
the Spurs, the Pacers with Miles turn

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and Buddy Heels floating around. But
I just think that we could see some

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surprise sort of moves go in that
regarding maybe the Knicks decide to Pivotto into

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that sort of structure. So I
do still believe that we'll see action sooner

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rather than later, and look,
frankly, I think we should expect to

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see it from the buyers mar as
well. This year's competitive landscape is duh.

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Eep want to be contenders who might
fall behind the field Miami, Philly,

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Minnesota at this point, or title
hopers who are good but not quite

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finished. Think Phoenix with all the
injuries, plus Jay Crowder is not with

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the team and Brooklyn they have to
do something. They can't lay in wait

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for error. There is no margin
for it at the top or even inside

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the middle of this year, and
so I think teams will pounce on upgrades

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accordingly. Emphasis on. I think
there Russell Westbrook will get jettison to San

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Antonio or Indiana. That is not
a very spicy take, I think,

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though it's aged pretty poorly. I'm
not necessarily talking about the Chris Haynes report

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over at Bleacher Report that said there
are teams that are showing interest in Russ

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since he excuse me, I've exhausted. Since he moved to the bench,

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he has been playing really well overall. Most of his looks are coming at

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the rim. He's just in a
more organic role there. I don't believe

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that there are a ton of teams
that are just going to want Russell Westbrook

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services. The Pacers and the Spurs
always loomed as sort of the most likely

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landing spots. Yeah, like if
the Spurs have all this caspace in the

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world, so the Lakers want to
preserve their financial flexibility moving forward. Josh

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Chritchardson's an expiring contract, jaka Peurtle
is an expiring contract, so you can

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work out a deal for those two. For russ the Spurs have a casspace

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to do that. And then are
you sending both picks out? Is that

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even enough for the Spurs? I
think it should be. Is it enough

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for the Lakers? Get to that
in a second. There's also just you

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could go the Pacers route and say, well, Miles Turners a really good

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fit. Helps the defense, which
is sort of regress now that opponents aren't

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getting as unlucky on their shooting.
Allows Anthony Davis to play more power forward

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even in closing lineups, because you
can use crunch time units that feature those

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two. And then Buddy Heal's salary. Yeah, he's one of the best

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pull up three point shooters in the
game. He looks like he's kind of

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found the joy again in basketball this
year relative to how he finished his time

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with the King's huge salary for next
year. Maybe you can move off of

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it since it's an expiring contract if
you want to prioritize cap space. I

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will say that why this is age
so poorly is will the Lakers actually make

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this trade. We also saw the
report Howard Beck said he talked to executives

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that had said they believe the Lakers
are waiting on like a TVD superstar that's

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not Kyrie irving to become available.
They're known to covet Bradley Beal. Per

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Chris Haynes that certainly Biel is the
one that makes sense. He's like the

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right age bracket his contract because he's
old enough. He stills over two hundred

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million dollars left on it after this
season. It's big enough to be viewed

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as an albatross. He also has
a no trade clause, so if he

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wants to go to LA, you're
watchington you could accept that package. So

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that's a team that I guess could
sort of come out of the woodwork here.

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I just don't know though, if
the Lakers are gonna be motivated to

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make a move because they're so bad
right now that I don't think any one

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trade fixes this. They need to
simultaneously get better and deepen their roster.

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A star trade doesn't do that,
And even just a straight up rush trade

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at this point, if you're only
getting act like two players like a Miles

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Turner, Buddy Healer, Josh Chrichard
and Jaco Purl, Yeah you're deeper,

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but how much better are you?
I do you would be so much better

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with Bradley Beale, I want to
make that clear, But like you're still

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tethering your livelihood to this three star
model where hey, Anthony Davis is playing

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through a back injury and always banged
up. Lebron has an aductor injury right

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now, we don't know much time
he's he's going to miss. And then

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Bradley Beale has not been immune to
has not been immune to injuries himself.

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He missed a chunk of last season. So that's the concern there. And

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I think it's less likely that I
think it's less likely that Rust gets traded

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now than it was November. First, let's say, and I don't know

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how much it ultimately costs to get
rid of him, he is playing better

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now again, I still don't think
any team that's going to acquire him does

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so with the intention of keeping him, which is going to drum up the

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price. Things always come out of
left field in this league. But the

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Lakers of the second worst record in
the NBA right now, they might have

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already fallen too far behind. I
just don't think there's a move out there

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that makes them a contender, which
is all to say. I think that

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this is might age poorly, but
that was my Russell West, Protindian or

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San Antonio. I'll stick with it. Next one these notable stars will get

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traded non stars, excuse me,
we'll get traded Harrison Barnes, who Look.

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You can interpret this as the Kings
will cannonball into an impromptu tank if

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you're feeling spicy. It's more about
Barnes being on an expiring contract in Sacramento

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already having his replacement in Keegan Murray. It's also about that the way Barnes

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has been playing, if you move
him, it's probably anti tank King.

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So yeah, I think he's gonna
get dealt. The Heat are kind of

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staring right there, and the Kings
love shooting, so just go with the

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Duncan Robinson plus picks package. At
that point, are they brazen enough to

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like do a Kyle Lowry deal there? So that's, you know, one

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to consider. I also if Jake
Crowder on this, he's currently DMP takes

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Eric Butzo's tweets literally in Phoenix,
so yeah, he's gone. He has

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to be. His sons can't afford
to just have one of their six best

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players on the payroll and then not
on the court, especially when Cam Johnson

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is recovering from aniscus surgery. Chris
Paul's out right now and has not been

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shooting the ball too well. They've
lost a ton of leverage given how he

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closed the postseason and the fact that
you know, everyone around the league knows

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what's what now. But his salary
can at least be turned into a rotation

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player, even if it's not a
top six guy, or folded into a

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larger deal that upgrades the meat and
potatoes of the Sun's rotation. I think

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Eric Gordon gets moved as well.
I mean, there was a tweet that

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Jasmine L. Watkins had the video
of him just like staring at a fight

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between I don't even remember who it
was, but he just looks like I'm

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too old for this ship right now. He's thirty three years old. That

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may be prohibitive for some, but
he still offers outside shooting and rim pressure

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without knoking your perimeter defense. His
contract also comes off the books after this

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year unless his team wins the title, room makes an all star roster,

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and which either of those scenarios,
you would gladly pay him. This is

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my final non star. I think
the Raptors trade Gary Trent Jr. He's

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a player option for next season.
He's going in decline. The Raptors need

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is shooting, but they also have
to start planning a new contracts for Fred

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van Vliet, who has a player
option next summer. Pascal Siakam. He's

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a free agent twenty twenty four and
he's extension knowledgeable now. O Ganna Nobi

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will be extension eligable next summer,
and Scottie barnes Is next deal will be

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here before you know it. Well. The Raptors pay will probably be twenty

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plus million dollars per year to keep
a non star like Trent. I had

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my doubts. It'd be different if
GTJ provide a little more on ball creativity

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in the half court, but he's
no table center, and while moving him

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made jeopardize their ninety nine percentile outcome
this season. Team president Messia Jerry hasn't

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assembled a team like someone overly concerned
with himself, you know, overly concerned

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with the president. Toronto is playing
for the future around Scottie Barnes, competing

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now as sort of this convenient luxury. If push comes to shove, I

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think they'll take the long review and
move GTJ at the trade deadline. I

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stick with all of those. My
next prediction, at least one of Charlotte,

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Chicago, Sacramento and Washington sell hard. Interesting. The Kings have perked

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up since I last wrote this,
so that one doesn't look rate that.

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Yeah, looping in the Kings is
weird. It's just it's hard to a

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vision what a sell off looks like. Too. They're not gonna dear Fox

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playing out of his mind and Sabonis
barring a trade request. Why are you

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moving either of those guys? Also, Harrison Barnes like currently fueled some of

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their struggles. Movie for Shawn Holmes
feels a little bit immaterial at this point,

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and it's probably too early for them
to sell low on Davey on Mitchell.

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Does someone pony up big time assets
for Kevin Hurder, But why are

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you moving him? He's played so
well for you so truthfully, if the

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King's one year tank it and I'm
they're not at that point, ye don't

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want to make that clear. They're
probably just shutting people down rather than moving

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towards a tear down. The Hornets
are a good bet. They were frisky

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to start the season, have leveled
off a little bit. I know Steve

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Clifford teams tend to overachieve, but
they don't have a mellow back yet.

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So like by February, if not
sooner, is anyone other than the mellow

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ball gonna be bolted down on this
rouls. I guess Nick Richards, with

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the way that he's playing a one
year nosedives makes too much sense for this

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franchise, knowing that Lamello's extension is
looming. I thought about Chicago. They've

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played better since I predicted this they
but they're still fragile. Zach Lavine says

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his left knee is fine, but
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the offseason, and he's been in
and out of the lineup for them,

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that seems not fine, and I
guess they can survive choppy availability from him

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on offense, But they also pant
their offense has underperformed relative their defense,

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which is overperformed. They're not gonna
head the ball. It sounds like for

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at least the entire season. That
being said, the Bulls over their first

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round pick to Orlando with extremely loose
top four protection. Finishing with a bottom

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four record will be one terribly difficult
in the eventual tanking climate. And too,

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it only gives you a fifty two
point one percent chance of keeping that

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top four protected pick. So I
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Could I see a scenario though,
where it's like, Oh, if someone's

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willing to give you value for vouch, do we look at it now?

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I just don't think they're gonna get
to the point in respect where it's,

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oh, do we get if a
team comes calling for Lavine? Do we

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just get rid of him? Or
or even Damar de Rosen like that was

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someone that I think a lot of
people thought couldn't find his way on the

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shopping blox. They're a tough one. No such limitations exist for the Wizards.

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Though I think they're the sneaky candidate. They have that twenty twenty three

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first round pick obligated to the Knicks, but it's lottery protected, so they

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can tank their hearts out. It
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He can't be done until January anyway, and he has the no trade clause.

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You could shut him down and run
this back next year. But the

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Wizards also have like a number of
good middle ground players they can ship out

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to fire up the gap year tank
if that's the route they go, and

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after Charlotte from this group, they
feel like the squad most likely to do

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so, don't roll out. How
were the Wizards supposed to know there would

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be consequentious for their decisions trade rumors
surrounding Bill Either we've already gotten them with

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the Lakers. I feel like,
so if I to rank these four teams

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in likelihood that they will sell Charlotte
one Washington two. Is Chicago more likely

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than Sacramento because this Harrison Barnes and
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I'm gonna put Sacramento because like,
maybe they just cut ties with Davy

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on Mitchell. Two. Sacramento and
then Chicago lash because they're not in a

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situation. If I had a pick, which of these teams are most likely

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to buy, I'm gonna rank Sacramento
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I'll have Washington second, just because, like, if it looks like

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they can enter the playoff discussion,
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their distant first round pick, since
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fact go to the Knicks. Then
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the impetus to sell buy excuse me, not the assets, though, I

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guess if you're really high on pat
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them though looking at the wing rotation. Then Charlotte they just have. They

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didn't look like they wanted to buy
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now. Next prediction, Cleveland and
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their go to closing lineup. That
how's that for like specificity? Does anyone

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like that? Is it just me? I'll stick with this. They both

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need to iron out a fifth spot
and their most important units. Cleveland would

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be the most likely team to wait. It's Core is younger, that Core

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is also ready to win now though
Dean Way is a nice find and just

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sort of everywhere he's supposed to be, but the Cavs need higher end solutions.

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Playing Carol at the three I think
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and maybe even offensive limitations now that
Darius Garland is ready to rock. Isaaco

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Coros just no kind of out on
Isaaco core Right now. There's Jetty Osman,

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but he's more of a three point
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days. Trading dono Mitchell did drain
Cleveland's draft picks dash, but they're not

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without assets. They have leverts expiring
contracts which can be a quality salary ranchor

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if the Cabs don't view him as
part of the bigger picture, Osmond seven

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point four million dollars is basically expiring
next year's non guaranteed for him. Rebuilding

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teams should be willing to take a
flyer on o'corro's defense and the idea of

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his offball slashing. So Cleveland may
not have the juice to get targets like

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ry Trent Junior, but has Harrison
Barnes sort of played his way into their

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purview? What about Josh Richardson,
Joe Harris, Cody Martin once he's trade

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eligible. Miami meanwhile has more flexibility
to trade its future first and definitely needs

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to diversify the front court spot vacated
by p J. Tucker. They can

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use Duncan Robinson's deal, which has
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left on it after this one,
to bring Brax sizeable money. While Ja

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Crowder reunion will be perfect, it
probably requires a third team. Phoenix shouldn't

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be turning Crowder into rob They'll first, I'll have to send out more money

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to bring back Robinson. I believe
I should probably look at what Robinson is

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making. He's pretty up there,
So you're gonna get a pick back from

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I Like, that's not going to
help you now for the heat. Also,

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how many picks does it take to
get who you're looking for? That

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Duncan Robinson deal is a net negative? So are you giving up if you

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can do one first round pick?
Okay? But does that get you?

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Kelly Brady Junior, kJ Martin,
Boyon Bogdanovitch is still trade eligible. Are

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you rolling the dice? Harrison Barnes
Right now, the Clippers consider trading Mark

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as more as senior. Could you
get Larry Marketing from the Jazz? About

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that? I don't think the Jazz
would trade him, But if they really

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wanted to tank, if there's Yovich
in a first round pick plus Duncan Robinson

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or just two first round picks and
Duncan Robinson for Larry Marketing, that would

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be that'd be overkill I think for
Miami. But like, does that something

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they consider the heat? Also,
just looking at they can trade up to

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three picks and three swaps. They
could poke around the star market if Bradley

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Beale what comes available, and their
half court of offense could use the juice.

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It probably hurts that they can't trade
Tyler Hero right now. I mean

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they can, but the poison pill
makes it really difficult. I think that

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they could get involved in a Bradley
Beal talks though, and they arguably might

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need to unless Kyle Lowry just plays. I mean, he's played better.

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But like, I think it's very
clear what Bam is on the offensive end,

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which is a really good player who
can't necessarily spearhead attacks. So I

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do think maybe it's not a star
though, But looking at Cleveland and looking

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at Miami, I think they both
need fifth members. They're closing you because

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in Cleveland you have four Jared Allen, Evan, Mobi, Donovan Mitchell,

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and Darius Garland. Dean Wade would
be my fifth, but I think you

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can upgrade from that. In Miami
it's Lowry, Hero Butler at a bio

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or guaranteed, and right now I
think you have to have it. Pete

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Cody Martin. I think you can
definitely get an upgrade. I mean probably

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over Kyle Lowry at this point,
but is the fourth spot over Cody Martin

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as well? So yeah, I'll
stick with that. Here's this One's my

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final one, and it's I guess
it's some of the Brooklyn Nets will trade

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at least one star. I like, I don't you know, I don't

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even know if I have to justify
this at this point. This is a

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blisteringly hot take. If you trust
the net Brooklyn Nets to enjoy the trials

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and tribulations of this regular season without
any more drama whatsoever. That's to say

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this is not a blisteringly hot take. The Nets are already struggling like they've

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they've gotten better since Kyrie was temporarily
exiled or whatever. But Ben Simmons still

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battling injuries, come back in more
of a limited capacity off the bench.

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There's no offensive aggression there. He's
just getting rid of the ball. I

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mean even when you look at his
assists, like he's just pitching the ball

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to someone else without ever getting past
the free throw line. Really, he's

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getting rid of the ball really early
in transition too. That's something I wrote

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about a while back. They started
to use Simmons without a big line ups

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before he got injured and then came
back. You have to keep leaning into

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those, But I don't know if
that's going to be like the cure.

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All they are getting cold cocked by
some unsustainably volcanic opponent three point shooting,

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but they can't grab a rebound to
save their life in a bunch of lineups

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and like they're just they're twenty eighth
and points allowed per possession still after made

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shot according to Predictable, that is
not That is not good. Maybe Brooklyn

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survives all this turmoil. Count on
that at your own peril. Kevin Durant

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already requested to trade over the offseason
and then pushed the organization to fire both

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Strawn Marks and Steve Nash. Steve
Nash has since been fired. Let's not

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forget that Kyrie not only away from
them, already tried to seek a trade

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himself. As of right now,
like Corn to Sean Marks, he has

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not had contact with Kyrie Irving.
So this is like, look, this

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team is essentially this is fine meme, but with smoke trickling in under the

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doorway rather than a raging inferno.
The thing is, the raging inferno comes

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later. At least one of the
next next Stars will ask for out or

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removing, an attempt to start fresh
or something. I don't know who to

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been on though, like to like, I'm just in the mind we can

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end it here. Too much has
already happened for this to play out on

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any underway other way, excuse me. At the same time, though,

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like when you're looking at Brooklyn Stars, what is Ben Simmons's value? Probably

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nil? What is Kyrie Irving?
I think he's probably the most likely because

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Lebron already seems like he's talking to
himself in the Kyrie Irving. I just

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wouldn't put a trade request past Kevin
Durant, nor would shock me if part

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of the terms of his return was, hey, we'll give this until January,

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and if it's not working, we'll
send you where you want to go.

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So that would be something to keep
an eye on. Those of my

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prediction, I'll have new ones,
but I wanted to go over and see

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how those aged. Those didn't age
that poorly. I don't think. I

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means some of them are just a
little spotty, but I think they were

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fine overall. My internet connection,
apparently late at night, is just absolutely

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awful, which is physically the hell
offs. I'll end it here. Please

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remember to rate reviewing subscriber ever you're
consuming us. If you stuck with me

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through the video and my body was
poor, I apologize until next time they'll

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leave. Get the shout out to
the one the only, the indelible won't

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be traded, but because he is
quite literally untouchable, Frank Neil Kina