I have to tell you, I don't think we said a damn bad thing
about you. We probably did, now I don't think probably, Yeah,
right, we probably did. Yeah, I think. Yeah. You gave
me a ship yea for being flight to ben joining us on the belower is
the captain that has helmed the most recent season of Below Deck o g We
referred to it as and we refer to him as Captain Carrie. Thank you
so much for joining us, sir, thanks for having me Gus. So
we got a lot of stuff to get into today, lots out of the
gate. Should we how do you want to be addressed? Should we call
you cap? I mean should we? Should we lose the formalities? How
do we go about carry's fawn? Carrie? Okay, all right? When
he's wearing the uniform, it's you can't captain? Yeah yeah, if life
until someone on the captain, I've got the wrong person in front of him.
So yeah, Well, we've got a ton of listener questions, We've
got a ton of surprises for you, and we start every interview off with
the same question. What about mangroves? Is so beautiful because they look so
disgusting? So if you could we did give a ship about that. Yeah,
I listened to I listened to that episode. Hey son, Yeah,
let me do that. You know, we've tried to kind of mesh me
into O G and bring a bit of adventure with it, right, right,
and to make it more the Captain Kerry Show, not the old Lee
Show. So that was the idea. Yeah, yeah, totally emphasis on.
Yeah, yeah, I keep hearing them calling all the time as well.
But yeah, hen Man, I mean it's just it's just crazy.
And that was you know, the thing was is you know, they wanted
me to you know, make it you know a bit of a travelog.
Yeah, and check it all out. So but but specifically carry the mangroves.
The mangroves are a network of brown death. Can you change my opinion
on that? What about the mangroes so beautiful mangroves like mangroves correct provide so
much life to the ecosystem in the water. All the little fish hang out
to keep away from the big fish. The mangrove systems themselves are very strong,
but the root systems go on forever. It's beautiful. So back in
Australia, when we have a hurricane coming in to call a cyclone. We
would get in the man grows entire boats to the mangroves, because why strong
in than one damn tree? Oh no, shit really, so it's it's
gone to me. It's where all the all the marinaa hangs out right,
because we want to holide somewhere and attracts everything. So yeah, yeah,
so it looks like, you know, the hell on earth. But but
there's a lot on our face. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
beauty in that. I just I swam a lot in Virginia and there's a
lot when you go on the banks of really any body of water, I
get a little spooked because it's very muddy. Things live in the walls.
There's catfish, there's snakes. It's just it doesn't feel good. So but
listen, we have so many more important things to talk about. I want
to get to a second. You talk about Virginia versus Yeah, yeah,
you know, Carrie Carry the waters in Virginia are absolutely stunning. But go
ahead, Okay, So you were on adventure. You were awesome on that
listener question right out of the gate, Meredith Lowery wants to know which film
location did you prefer? Did you like doing the locations for Adventure or og
Grenada man Adventure is what for me, Adventure is super exciting because I've never
been there before, never in Norway. It's you know, on a list
of places to be and is it going to happen? Norway's It probably won't,
you know what I mean? For being is gorgeous. I've spent a
lot of more time there. I hadn't been to Grenada either, so both
of their own thing going on, so I don't really have a favorite of
either. But when I look back at my photos or when I was in
Norway, man what a beautiful place? Well, because you've been to so
many tropical beautiful places, but Norway is I mean, there are fjords there.
I don't know. I don't even know what a fjord is, but
they just have different names for shit and it's just a different land. It
was a different type of show. I liked it it. The look of
it was different as well. Do you think if that show was shot and
a warmer client, which is a stupid question, do you think it would
have had more success being I guess another season of Adventure had it been done
in a warmer claimate. Yeah, maybe mate. You know, we're filming
that during COVID. Yeah, so there was a lot of restrictions and we're
doing that. It was a brand new production company and they and they were
working with brand new personalities a below deck who have never done it before.
Yeah. Yeah, it was tough for everybody. And then we're in a
foreign country. We're English is in the first language, but it's a very
good language. Very different culture, you know, the Caribbean is very used
to us us. I'm American now, so I'll say us doing what we
want, you know, pretty much do what we want as far as asking
the right people and making things happen for us to film where we would wish
to film. Very different, you know, they're not as to pivot,
you know. Actually I was quite involved with talking to the people who made
the decisions of where we couldn't couldn't go in the Norwegian authority to relate to
them because yachting isn't a big thing there, so they're not used to bending
any rules or seeing things a little different, like when we're filling it.
First, the security level of the yacht. They want to put a big
cage around us at all times. Is that a metaphorical cage or or that's
that standard because because of the because of the security level, of the security
level of the yacht. Because for example, in Grenada, there there is
a gate that stops people coming into the marina, so this is a security
point. In Norway, we're just on the on the boardwalk of the town.
But the only way to control the security was to put a fence around
us. Wow. Wow, it happens a lot in Venice, Italy they
do the same thing. Oh wow. Yeah, I was on the ship.
I was the first officer and did the same thing, which didn't matter
so much when you're filming a TV show. It doesn't look great. Well,
Carrie, you said, you said you're one of us now, and
well, with America going through its trials and tribulations right now, I say
you should probably identify more with Australia. But how was the citizenship test?
Was it difficult? Because now you probably know more about our country than we
did probably, And I think it's the same for people who want to be
Australian. You know, same thing, the stuff they ask you. Where
they got me was there's like an app on your phone for the questions.
Yeah. The presidents and this and the amendments and blah blah blah, and
often in the American system of examination, it's multiple choice, right, Yeah,
we're a big fans of a multiple choice. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
not going to tell multiple choices. Yeah, I was littener man, Yeah,
you know, I mean I was for the test. There's the question
and there's no multiple choice. Yeah, it was just an essay. Well,
congratulations, Yeah, welcome to quote America is America is an amazing place.
America. Okay, only I like to quote that I'm the US too,
because then I make jokes. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Listener,
Nikki Hadggen wants, you know, what percentage of the year are you actually
cappening captaining a yacht. That's a good question. I'm curious how much how
much time are you actually out at sea? So when I when I filmed
Adventure, that was the first time I wasn't running yachts full time anymore.
So you know, we don't need to stay there too long. But you
know, my story went through divorces and that. Yeah, I think you
guys might have made a joke about that, and me talking about we probably
made front of your Yeah. Yeah, so my My decision was not to
be on yachts full time because when you're married and you're traveling, you come
back and see your kids. When you're divorced, you come back and see
your kids half the time. I'm traveling six months a year, only my
kids three months a year, so it's tough. We'll shoot the show for
a couple of months, and I have my own company where I manage jots
and we do the maintenance systems, and I do a lot of advice smaller
vessels, and I have some staff that I sent out on the boats,
and then for certain clients will go out. So for example, I got
one of my foundation clients, he's he wants to go to Miami for a
week from tomorrow. Mate, I'll take it in there for a week.
And he's he's some kind of large scale weapons dealer or something like that.
What does she do? Could could be? Could be? I asked these
questions, mate, That's why I'm the lead. So so percentage wise,
i'd probably say because at the show maybe three three to four months a year,
it's not lots of time. It's the two months filming and going to
be a week here, a week there, and I'm actually taking my daughter
on one of my trips to the Bahamas next week. That's gone one.
That sounds amazing and too good for you. I mean, it sounds like
the show came around at a great time. You don't have to work,
because who wants to be on boats all the fucking time? You know,
Captain Carrier, Are there any captains that are basically living the single life that
just never see land. They prefer to just go out. There are never
any break in between, like a road dog, like a sea dog.
They're just out there as opposed to a sea rat a sea dog. Yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of lost souls in Nauting. Yeah, of
course, you just don't know where they want to go, and they just
want to be out and you know, and they want to be the center
of attention, so there was a reason to be somewhere. But sure,
it's it's a great life. I mean, that's you know. I grew
up like a gypsy mate. My dad was a builder and we go from
town to town in construction, and one year I was like at six different
six different primary schools. So this life I was built for. I was
used to getting a new place, meeting people, meeting the right people,
not pissing off the wrong people. You know, it's easy and difficult to
do. This brings me to a good question too, listener, Brenna Page,
and I agree with her sentiment here. She says that you have a
natural mentor or you have natural mentor ability. Who tied you this leadership style?
Did you get it from somewhere? If you ask me that question,
probably five years ago, you wouldn't be asked that question on a different captain.
The way I dealt with things, it really is. It's going through
the whole divorce thing and getting to as low as you can be gave me
opportunity to really understand everybody now, you know where before I didn't. Before
I didn't have any compassion for where you're at. So if you're coming to
work and you've got some shit going at home, yeah right, I kind
of mentioned that one one episode and you didn't get the whole thing. Your
guys are having a bit of a laugh. No, we were so frustrated
the mold in the house. Yeah, we were really pissed at your empathy
because we wanted you to just chop heads off. And but the thing is,
you know, I was all about the boat, you know, and
it didn't matter. I didn't give a shit. It was at home,
you know. It's you're here to work. You get a job to do.
If you don't, you're as committed as me, you can fuck off,
right. I think you have this nice balance of because you will talk
shit and you'll bust balls and you'll make jokes, so it's not like you've
got to stick up your ass as far as a leader. But yeah,
I can completely relate to that. You've lived long enough and experienced it that
you can kind of see a multiple sides. Like when Fraser in particular would
come in, I think it was his eighth time he tried to get someone
fired. We don't need to listen. We gave phrasing of ship, but
I mean, we don't need to be hyperbolic about it. I mean he
was trying to he was trying to assassinate people in the night, and I
don't know if it was eight times. Well, all right, five and
a half. First off, I love him and we love you come back
to the show. But I've seen past captains on this television show not deal
with that as well as you did, which is you stop you kind of
kind of get a sense of everyone's intentions. I'd say you got to have
a barometer for that, really see through the matrix this guy, does you
know? Yeah, amazing television. You're almost almost questioning, what the hell
are you doing on this show? Yeah, because honestly, you know,
I've heard I'm sure you've heard us say it, but you know we kind
of you know now talking to you, it's a little bit more difficult.
But when you're just a face on a TV, we really do wish you
had kind of a vice or some kind of dark history. We all have
vices. It's just fortunate that I grew up in a time there was a
camera phones otherwise. Yeah, well, if you don't mind, I want
to get into a little bit of drama. We gonna are we going to
talk about nipples? We're going to talk about ben We'll get that right,
all right, But a couple of easy ones for us. So Serene Allen
wants to know, do you really like being invited to dinner by gas and
is that something that really happens. When it's such a good question, let's
let's answer that that really happened. Yes, if it's awesome. Often the
captain is very, very busy. You know, there's a lot of there's
you know, I come in and film the show. The first officers taken
care of the paperwork. He's taken care of the crew that left, the
crew that are arriving, the vacation stuff. There's a lot of stuff that
he's taken care of that I would normally be dealing with. I don't have
accounts I have. I have the free time to do this because if you've
got to be a character, you know, as well as a captain when
you're filming the show. I don't like that term, mate, It's not
a character, it's I have free time. Yeah, yeah, but you
get what I mean. You have to have a bigger presence on the show.
You can't just be buried in paperwork and responsibilities. It's just not like
it's it doesn't work for me to be doing that because I'm not with the
boat long enough. It doesn't make sense. Got it, Okay? Got
it? So if you anybody who meets me on the street or anyone mates,
you know me, I'm the same bloke on the screen, same bloke.
Sure. The differences is when I'm on the boat, on the boss
and I've got a different way to deal with things. But if I can
do it also with a guess, I'm going to click with them. Yeah,
I'll do it, or I'll have a glass line at the bar or
what it might be. Or if I see it's just a fuck a gong
show and it's just you know, you get some there's some guests that they're
there for their own purposes and I want nothing to do with it. Ah,
I think I know what you mean by that. Should we ask the
question because we're going to do the thing We usually asked this at the end,
but I feel like piggybacking. Were you going to ask a worst charter
gas story ever? Yeah? Worst charter gas story ever? That's Patty's question.
That's Patty's question. I ended a charter early, and I'm trying to
not what waffle on. But what happened was is I ended it early.
We had some guests, a guest that never said that she had a heart
condition and she went scuba diving oh the Bahamas, and then my dive thru
hid from me that she was freaking out, was giving her oxygen and she
was going through conjective heart failure on my boat I had to get a chopper
in. It's a very long story. I just wanted to paraphrase it.
Defense forced Gooding out me. Bahamas Rescue couldn't out me. The coast Guard
really couldn't help me. I could wind me. It was I'm on the
phone yelling at the US Embassy say I got you assists on the boat.
And I had to get him off the many vacuum and the next day,
Man, it was not the biggest hangover my life. The adrenaline dumb.
I said, Man, we're just galling home. Were there some other fellow
gases. Were there fellow guests who are like, look, I'm pretty sure
she didn't die. She's gonna be fine. Can we have keep going?
I mean, we've got bought all this champagne. There's mangroves. Yeah,
we got to check out the gros. No, lord, there's there's There's
been some some pretty nut stuff that experience, and uh, most of it
I can't talk about. I bet celebrity clients as well without naming names.
You know, the people get exort over the celebrity clients, but the people
who are minted, they're not celebrities now. They work in finance, they
are nameless man, and I could they could boy small countries all right,
if you don't mind, let's talk some ship. You think Leo's rich.
This guy works in in wires. He has a wire company. The guy
owns a cardboard uh hardboard factor. Yeah, wows seventy billion dollars. Rachel
Griffith wants to know Fae or Fraser. Oh wow, love that that's not
fair and they never are. You can that that's not fair. You don't
have to answer that thing. She also wants to know how many cups of
goddamn coffee do you drink a day? Look phase amazing man? She is.
She is tops sweet as I love. I love her character. Fraser,
Man, we get on so well, you know where buddies I really
like. You know, we feed off each other. He brings me some
suggestions, they how to do things and helps me see things differently. That
don't show a lot of that, but it's fact. You know. We'll
talk about something, hey man and stot it this way, and you'll go
to cat, what about this? You know, Frase's not too scared in
somebody's opinion, but he's not too proud to take construct critics of them either.
Fraser is such a bro. I mean he can hang and bang and
talk shit and just be you know, he's just such I love him.
And when him and I hang out and we go see a movie, I
do have to tell him, no, I can't fire that person. No,
we're going to see a movie and he wants to talk about that.
But then, but other than that, I love to have drinks with them.
And you know, we went out with you. We went out for
drinks and fris took me aside. He said, I think you should get
rid of Pat. And that's kind of Ben. He'd be the same thing
to me about you. It's Ben Pat's crawl for a while. Okay,
all right? And then to Ben. You guys, you and Ben,
I assume you don't mind talking about this, but if if you have a
problem with it, no problem, all right. So some little controversy between
you and Ben. I assume as both of you were watching the season unfold
on your television sets. Okay, So has he seen the negative Instagram posts
that Ben has posted after filming? Oh yeah, yeah, and look it's
not it's not some between me and Ben. It's some between Ben and me.
Yeah, I didn't see any of this. You know, I genuinely
was excited to have another Ossie on the boat. Yeah, because we just
feed up each other, right. I was super excited that, you know,
to have a future with him on more blowdecks. Yeah, because like
it's very rare for people to drink booze out of shoes, you know,
when you find somebody, when you find somebody that does that, you know
there's a kinship. Yeah. But his you know, there was you know,
I saw throughout the season there was times where he was just I could
see he was bucking what I was saying, but not to the level that
I saw. Once the show came out, you know, you know,
I was very disappointed and seeing him undermine Jared. I mean, Jared has
his own issues. He didn't be underminded, you know what I mean.
And and by the end of the season, and I said it, you
know, I may have made the wrong choice on this bloke, but I
wanted him to. I wanted to succeed so him getting on and write and
ship. I was like, dude, like, all you to do is
give me a call and go cares things are going to go fucking pair shape.
Can help me out? Why do you think he was so pissed at
you. Yeah, because this is from Erico's stabb It seems like your relationship
was okay during filming and then were there any hints at that during that relationship
that were you'd be thinking that he's going to talk some ship after Yeah,
what'd you do? Man? Look, let me tell you this. I
and this is all kind of coming together right. I don't give anyone references
on the show because I don't know how they're going to be betrayed or what's
going to come out later and work something. But I do tell my guys,
if you come work for me in my company, then I can give
you reference company. So I actually had Sunny come work for me, so
Sonny has a reference from me. Ben was asking me for help for him
to find him a job. Ben was telling me that he couldn't get a
job. This is before the show he came out, you know what I
mean. So all these when he's been talking on was crap. I'm like,
man, I could just like show text messages to each other. Hey,
how you doing like funny videos to each other? It just I found
out later that he was he was bad mouth for me, and I just
didn't. I'm not playing in that sandbox, you know what I mean.
I'm in this world and he, you know, the few to me with
the cabin. I actually asked him personally. I said, hey, mate,
you know how important this is. This is part of what we've got
to do. I've got to put it in a logbook. We've done it.
I haven't done it mid season because you guys are fucking busiest ship.
But we've got to do it before the end, right, We've got to
get this in. We got at this entry in, so can you make
sure everyone does it? I asked him personally to make sure everyone did it
when he didn't, So that's why I was That's why I fucking peeked out.
Man. I'm like, dude, I asked you personally to make sure
the rest of the crew would do so crazy. Yeah, I think it
was a pushback to establish some kind of dominance of ego, I know.
And then Kyle got roped into it too, where stupid. Look I don't
understand, but it's it's but it's it's insubordination. And you know, there's
many there's many steps I could have taken at that point for the way that
he acted. But getting back to the questions, that was over when he
come and apologize to me. They also don't show Cole bought me a bottle
of Scott's from his hometown. Sorry I fucked up. I really apologized,
like there was a heartfelt sorry from both of them, and you know what,
I could handle it, you know what I mean, end of the
day. So no, I didn't. I didn't know why this came.
It just it. It just seems he started to light up when he realized
he wasn't called back, and he just decided he wanted to paint a picture
of me of a certain way. And I've just think everyone last four months,
I've said nothing. You know, I just do his thing, and
you know, I have fun on Reddit and do a couple of gifts and
you know, and once I'm asking me a question recently and I thought I'd
just answer it, and that was just, you know, I just really
disappointed on just underwarting people a fun show. It's a fun show. Let's
us some fun, let's have some drama. But that I'm very well known
in the industry. I'm not saying I'm respected everywhere, but people know that
that I've integrity, and the way he's acted after the show is really huge
detriment to his his career. The show itself is acting as one thing,
but I don't know what he was trying to achieve. Yeah, no,
he's he's gallivanting around the world. He's having a good time and flipping out.
But Jackie Fogerty said, you always have the perfect gift. Uh,
I guess, referring to that that Reddit thread, and then ask a follow
up also, does he think Australia is still part of Asia? Who says
that, you know, I misspoke because it's not Southeast Asia's part of Australizer
When your season comes back, if it comes back, we don't know.
I mean I think we know. I mean, listen, there's no there's
no inside scoop here there. That's the biggest, you know, title of
the franchise. And you know we're gonna get another season. But I'd like
to ask, Actually, this isn't my question, it's a question from gosh.
I want to get this right Anna Andal Sack. She wants to know
what is next after this? Is it the rest of your life? Is
this your love of the see and also she wants you it would you encourage
your kids to follow in your footsteps in the industry. So the big reason
I'm doing this show is the reachs the reaps are doing good and it's given
It's given me a platform that I never chase down. Like when I was
running these massive yachts working for these owners, Like what am I doing to
make a lot of better place get a big cruiser in the world. I'm
not a you know, I'm not a tree hugger or that kind of stuff,
but you know, you start thinking about things like that. So when
this show come along and I'll just get on there and do a little gift,
it makes It makes that person's day. It blows their mind. I
go to the store and someone sees me, I shake their hand, spend
two minutes with them, three minutes with them. They're walking around glowing because
I was just being a human right and everyone around them is feeling better.
You know. I put the spotlight on It was a finale of Adventure.
Remember bo birthday in December. People coming to the finale and I said,
look, we're supporting single parents for Christmas. Bring some presents for kids.
You know. I foster rescue dogs and I use my platform to help place
dogs. I don't know how you do that, because don't you just fall
in love with every single one that comes to the house. I mean,
saying goodbye has got to be so brutal made. It's really tough the first
few times, and after that you just clapp to leave. And then I'm
working with you know, veterans coming out a PTSD. You know, I'm
working with Wooded Waters and you know, we're raising money and we're helping guys
to get through PTSD and we're getting them out fishing and scuba diving and things
like that. So for me, it's more what can I give back as
far as that goes. And people are loving the way I'm managing. I've
been a before yeah yeah wow in my life where I've learned to do things
different and people are writing like, hey man, you know I manage as
many people and I'm trying some stuff that you do when it's working, wonders
and stuff like that. So so so what is after this? Who knows?
Man, It's it's it's however it rolls. I've got a very successful
company that that it's important to me. It's always going to be there.
But I don't know, mate, I'm just going to go off the flow.
Yeah, so it's such an esy way to look at it really quickly.
The last question, and this shouldn't be a last question because it's not
really a good question, but what was the most expensive boat, like either
you've captained or how big? Are? Like? How much fucking money did
these two hundred and eighty foot boats cost? Many, many, many zeros?
Man like ridiculous amount of zeros. I just don't understand. I mean,
even if you had the money, why would you? I have to
are you? And then I've got to get all the gas and it just
sounds like such a fucking headache. I'll tell you. What those super yachts
represent to people is something to aspire to the greatness of. You know.
It's just look how crazy this says, you know, I mean it's you
know, you get something nice, right, it's I know myself that I
like some better things. Yeah, and then when you kind of lot these
better things, you get treated a little differently, and you know, you
can you want to go on a vacation and you want it to be the
way you want it. That's what the yacht comes along. And then you
you might have your own staff that know what you want. When you put
that arm out there, it's there your busting grass and whatever you're doing is
a lot of stress. And then this is your little cocoon happiness. Yeah,
I get it. It sounds kind of my company where I'm not managing
the big boats. I'm managing the small boats are just getting into the industry,
and I want to treat it right because they'll come in and I'll get
a sixty foot yacht and the broke will be like, yep, there you
goes is yours mate, And then they're like, well, okay, how
do I fix this? How to do that? They'll try the matter a
trucking company or are they might a housing developed company and they're trying to use
that ethos to a yacht. Now go ship, you know what I mean.
And with me, I'm people like that they get access to me on
that size boat typically because most guys who have been where I had keep going
that direction. It's awesome and cool and you know, yeah, but so
I've learned, you know, I've got a bunch of customers that I can
just be straight up with them where I couldn't as a captain of the yacht
and just tell them, like, mate, this is stupid what you're doing.
I wouldn't say it before so I could lose my paycheck. And that
way I can direct them the right way on how to maintain their yacht,
hire the right people. I can communicate with the guys that I put in
place, and I communicate with the so they can actually enjoy yachting and what
has to offer. Got it? Yeah, well, like me he put
it, it's you know, especially regarding the experience, it's like you wait
your whole life to be in a position where you can take a vacation.
And you know, I've lived three quarters of my life poor, so now
that I got a little dough, it's like you're gonna go spend some money
for a week, live like a king or a queen. Right, exactly,
all right, Carrie, Well we've we've taken too much of your time.
I love this. This is one of my favorite interview Carrie. You're
the You're the man, You're the best. We're excited to see you in
futures to come. I want to apologize for you having to put up with
a certain guest that came on the show Socks that was a bit of an
ambush and it wasn't fair to you. But anything, anything to plug at
the end, to let the people know what we've got going on. I
know we've got wounded waters, lots of stuff. Tell the people. Yeah,
yeah, so gdus Husky Rescue is a is a pan that I'm working
with, Winning Waters, the Florida based and we've also I've also been working
with Stop Children's Cancer. That's another foundation I'm working with. And you know,
I'm happy to help out where I can. Man. You know,
people want to reach out to me, and you know, I need a
spot that turned around, you know, shave us some attention of where they're
at or need some you know, you need to make awareness of whatever it
might be. I can't be everywhere, but I'll do my best. Well,
don't bother him with just your everyday problems. Okay, he's very busy
man, Garry, thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you
in the future. Really enjoyed this. Thanks for your time, Captain Carry
Thanks Jens have a great mind.