WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.879 Hey everybody, This is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know aka Survivor 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:30.000 Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Audisen. Hey there, and 3 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:34.399 welcome back to Sasquatchus. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is 4 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.960 Sunday. I hope you've had a great weekend. We have an amazing guest 5 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:40.240 lined up for you. But before we get there, I want to start 6 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.679 by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on 7 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:47.280 the show, shoot me an email you and get me at Brian at Paranimalworldproductions 8 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.079 dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, become 9 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:55.560 a memory there and help support the show. If you guys watch the live 10 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.799 that we did over on YouTube. This has been up for about a week 11 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:02.000 or so now. Daniel, you know, from the UK, reached out 12 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.480 to me and we were going to do this interview with Renee Holland from Finding 13 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.879 Bigfoot on a different date and unfortunately my schedule wasn't going to allow me to 14 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:15.159 be a part of this to co host it with Daniel. Fortunately things changed 15 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:17.480 and I was able to do it. We moved it up a week or 16 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:19.239 so and I was able to sit down and we had Renee Holland on. 17 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.280 If you have never heard Renee on a podcast, because frankly, she doesn't 18 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.920 do a whole lot of podcasts. I don't know that she's ever done one, 19 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.079 to be honest with you, because I've never heard her own one. 20 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:30.680 But she does do a few conferences. I got to hang out with her 21 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.239 and eat dinner with her up at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference last year. 22 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.359 She is an absolute blast to talk to. She's a fun lady, she's 23 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.840 amazingly smart. We had a really good time and I was so glad to 24 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.000 get her on for this interview. I think you guys are really going to 25 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.280 enjoy it. If you haven't already, please take time to rate interview the 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.400 show wherever you're listening to the podcast. And remember, if you haven't picked 27 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.840 up your copy of my new book, Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth Behind the Legend, 28 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.000 you can go over to our website and get a signed copy directly from 29 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.319 me there, or you can get it on Amazon, Barnes and Noble or 30 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:06.280 anywhere you find to find books. But enough of that, I know you 31 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.199 guys are ready to get over to Renee's interview, So I'm gonna stop talking. 32 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:12.719 All you have to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. 33 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.680 Hey guys, and welcome. We have a great podcast lined up. 34 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.919 Co hosting with me is mister Brian Kinkshot. Hollo, Brian, I'm good, 35 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:45.599 Daniel, how are you, sir? Good? As always? We 36 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.560 have a very good podcast lined up, don't we? Yes, we do. 37 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:52.520 I've been excited about this and I was glad to get the invite to 38 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.439 hop on and co host with you today. I'm glad it worked out on 39 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:58.919 my scheduling. Yeah, bro, we have some comments come through and say 40 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:04.879 hi to people before we get going. Let's say hi to take I think 41 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:07.520 a few of these are from your side, Brian. Yep. There's tea 42 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:13.039 time with Tiffany, she's our producer over on Hearing One Odyssey with Wayne or 43 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:19.439 in Tennessee. We have Charlotte Jane Facebook user. I take it that's my 44 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.759 nun because she's put kisses at the end of it. We then have Taras 45 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:30.199 Smith Cheryl Peacock, the cheer ol Peacock here in North Carolina, right, 46 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:35.919 I think, Brian, instead of waiting around and chatting, I reckon, 47 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.879 we just get straight into it. Guys, please welcome to the stage. 48 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:43.560 Someone who I'm sure that you'll know. Hi, Rene, how are you? 49 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.800 I'm great, buddy. How are you doing, Daniel, I'm very 50 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.560 well. Hey Brian, good to see you, Renee, thanks so much 51 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.400 for being with us. Of course, good to see you again. It's 52 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.919 been a minute last summer, I think, Yeah, no, it's almost 53 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.960 a year. I am so stopped to be here with you, boss too. 54 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:02.280 I don't do a lot of podcasts, but I so love what you 55 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.960 were doing, so I had to definitely make some time itself. Let's get 56 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.879 into this, ron, I could you tell us about how you got interested 57 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:15.919 into the world of cryptis and cryptosology. I don't want to age myself, 58 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.319 but I think my real hair color might give me away. I'm a contemporary 59 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:25.279 of my big book hugging co host Cliff Matt Bobo. We all grew up 60 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:30.319 when in search of those fresh reruns with Leonard Nimoy, Big Boot was everywhere 61 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:34.120 in pop culture, the Patterson Gimlin film, Daniel. When you wanted to 62 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.399 watch a movie, you couldn't see an anti va day actually go into the 63 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:42.040 cinema. So I remember it was the East cinema at in Seu Fall, 64 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.120 South Dakota, So this would be the early seventies. I grew up seeing 65 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.279 some clippings in the paper. I grew up in South Dakota, on the 66 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.199 plains of South Dakota. For you over in the UK or anybody around the 67 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:55.399 country, just think of that. I'm dating myself again and I say little 68 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:59.560 house on the prairie. But I essentially grew up with that kind of geography. 69 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:04.399 So there'd be a random newspaper clippings. There wasn't so much on television 70 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:10.600 at that time, a random newspaper clipping. Anderson Gilllan film came out years 71 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.720 later. Now it's about ten years later. That's going around actually in the 72 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:16.319 theater. So my dad took me to see that. I remember having my 73 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:20.560 mind alone having made that. Look at me being this little kid and seeing 74 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:26.720 this giant he played figure on this footage going across the screen and looking at 75 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:30.480 that and then looking at my dad and he turns down and looks at me. 76 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.480 He's what is the best part? And really my favorite thing of Bigfoot 77 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:39.639 is if that's not real, then I was hey. Instead of my dad 78 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.560 telling me what was he really asked me what it was, and I think 79 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.000 of as we then started watching In Search of and these other shows, which 80 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.160 wasn't just bigfood, it was a Lotinus Monsters, He's your Island, It's 81 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:53.879 all these mysteries of the world. It was curiosity. So that became a 82 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:58.800 special thing for my dad and I. How was may How did they do 83 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:02.079 that? Then? Smart about it? Don't let anybody hood week yet. 84 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:09.160 So between testing stunt gere with my dad and watching bigwoot shows and those paranormal 85 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:13.079 mystery shows, that's how I initially got into Could you tell us about your 86 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.800 work in the field of biology? Yeah, And I always raised on the 87 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:21.120 plains of South Dakota, but I have always loved rivers in the woods, 88 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:27.199 and in fact moving out to Washington State many moons ago. I basically left 89 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.800 Southcolte after high school and I came out to Washington State and started going to 90 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:32.079 school. And actually the first time I went through college, I was a 91 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.759 physical anthropology major. A lot of people don't realize that. Doctor Melgrim and 92 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.600 I, Jeff and I get to have some fun conversations and it wasn't quite 93 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.600 what I wanted, So I led back into what I originally wanted to be. 94 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.360 When I was young, I wanted to go out and study the big 95 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:51.519 cats or bears. Those were what really what fascinated me the most were big 96 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:57.399 cats and bears being out here in Washington. Getting my degree, I went 97 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:00.639 to University of Washington. Specifically I went to the schoo all the quatic and 98 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.600 fishery science is because they have the best program to get me as close as 99 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:10.360 possible to study ground bears. It was either that or go with tent Peach 100 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.319 Income Choku, Russia, and those were the two places where I could do 101 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.120 that. I was fortunate enough to work with the Fisheries Research Institute, basically 102 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.759 working with the top people in their field, and that led me down to 103 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:25.480 obviously it's funded by where is the money behind science? That always is what 104 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:30.040 drives it. Who is the person who is doing that research? First off, 105 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.040 what's the hook? What fascinates you? What do you wake up thinking 106 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.959 about and trying to understand better? Then who was doing that work? But 107 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:41.600 the kicker is how is it getting funded or how do you bring in another 108 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:46.720 project that gets funded? So for me that led me into bear and salmon. 109 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.079 Actually, this is something I think I've mentioned to you before. I 110 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:53.519 work with a lot of Indigenous people and it's one of my favorite pubs. 111 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:58.600 Make sure to see this. That is the mask and tribal image for the 112 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:03.199 interaction between barons salmon, Which is why does the salmon go up that creek? 113 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.319 Or how does a bear recognize all of the biometrics. I'm on bear, 114 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.839 it needs to put on the chloric intake, so it's going to stride 115 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.759 where it is in the hierarchy. How that fish knows where to go? 116 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.160 It blows my mind. In the state, we still don't know. We 117 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.000 still don't understand why all of these fish are cooling in front of this particular 118 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:28.360 creek. They're natal stream that they'll come back to that they'll go thousands of 119 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.959 miles, it's just mining wooden. They'll come back to that spot. And 120 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.840 when they go for that initial pulse. We think this population of fish, 121 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.639 these fish are genetically different than a fish that went into Eagle Creek or Happy 122 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:45.279 Creek. And there's all these fish, hundreds sometimes thousands of fish pulled up 123 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.600 this little three foot white creek and you think it's one big pulse, but 124 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.320 there's all these old micropulses. I won't nerd out here with the details but 125 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.480 we still don't know what is that trigger that pushes them. We started this 126 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.320 research in the forties. We still don't know. Is it the slinny of 127 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.720 the water, is it temperature, is it oxygen? Has it down? 128 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.279 The dinal factor, water flow up? Well, it's I love that stuff. 129 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:13.600 Basically, I like to tell people I've been this little curiosity driven organism 130 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.679 from birds. I mean I was given a baby alive doll as a child, 131 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.320 and you know, I had it for one day and they showed me, 132 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:22.200 you know, how to take care of it, and then I think 133 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.519 it was that next day after Christmas, I was upstairs with scissors taking it 134 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.440 apart. How did it work? I mean, my mom's fourified, but 135 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.159 she's okay, we see what path you're on. So that's what led me 136 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.200 to science and from there it's funded by Salmon Research. So I then was 137 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:43.639 employed by Noah National Oceanic Atmosphere Administration, and I basically niched myself in with 138 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.919 river restoration. So I worked on a restoration team. So I basically am 139 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:52.799 an expert on that river system of the Alpine environment all the way down to 140 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:58.720 that estuary. So that includes the water, the trees, the rocks, 141 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:03.240 the air, the critters from the brown bear down to the macroinvertebrate and the 142 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:07.279 bigfoot that might be in there. Two that sounds like an awesome co ed. 143 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:11.039 It's definitely a little different than Sasquatch research, that's for sure. I 144 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.440 will tell you this one of my first days because my love for bigfoot really 145 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:20.279 is. I love curing reports in the stories, and some of them are 146 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.360 fun, but some of them are the ones you are like, how do 147 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.679 you explain this? And that's what keeps me intrigued on this phenomena where you 148 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.039 can categorize a lot of those out but what are those ones? At the 149 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.720 end of the day, this person has everything to lose, nothing to gain, 150 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.039 ridicol and scorn or there's multiple witnesses of those ones that just stop in 151 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.759 your tracks. Ever since I was even child, that's been my situation. 152 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.759 Now, I land myself out the Pacific Northwest, the hotbed of sightings, 153 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.240 and I am working with tribal members. From day one, I knew that 154 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:54.240 it is not respectable to bring up bigfoot in an indigenous environment. Let them 155 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.159 start the conversation, if you will. So I had been working there for 156 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.679 maybe six years before an intern so the long story for another time though. 157 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:09.080 But an intern missed their faery and showed up late and comes up and change 158 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.600 the subject with like, hey, Renee, how's your Bigfoot book coming in? 159 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:15.919 I got a talking to by their elder. You literally got up and 160 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.080 came over and scolded me. But that's another conversation. I actually one of 161 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:22.440 the things I love doing is the connections I have made growing up in South 162 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:28.440 Dakota, very Coda Nakotasu. It's one of the reasons my connections and my 163 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.879 paradigm how I look at the natural world was definitely influenced by them, my 164 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:37.360 grandmother and my indigenous friends growing up. But throughout the show, I met 165 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:43.919 so many other Indigenous people, and I've continued to work those relationships going forward, 166 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.080 and that's one of the things I actually cherished them most. What is 167 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.399 your actual opinion of Bigfoot? So funny the Renee sayer, the skeptical sign. 168 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:58.000 I'm skullly with three molders. I love Bigfoot. I am fascinated by 169 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.360 Bigfoot and driven by curiosity. It's the reason I became a scientist. Question 170 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.360 is what is Bigfoot? In my opinion? After all these years, I 171 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.919 honestly still don't know, Daniel, because I've never quote unquote being a Bigfoot. 172 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:20.279 I personally have had experiences that I can't explain. I know people nearing 173 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:26.080 jar in my heart who swear that they've seen a Sasquatch. I still don't 174 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.759 know. It's one of the things that as busy as I am, keeps 175 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:35.279 me connected because I want to make sure that my bigfoot community. I'm protective 176 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.919 of my big community. I don't want people to be foakesd or hoodwing are 177 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.399 mocked and ridiculed and made fun of, because there is something going on here 178 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.720 that still fascinates me. I spent over a decade of my life when we 179 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.840 started filming Funny pick Foot Brian, I think we've talked about this. My 180 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.519 nephew didn't even come out to my hip when I left the shot six four. 181 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:56.960 I spent over a decade of my life. We were the four of 182 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:00.279 us nine months of the year we were One thing I do like to say 183 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:05.159 is I think diving into it is I would see a lot more of maybe 184 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.519 people taking an up to to make money off of it or something. And 185 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:13.399 I don't mean to be cynical. I am even more fascinated and intrigue after 186 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.440 all of this time. But for the record, yes, I still don't 187 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.440 believe it's a biological instance species. I just don't see the evidence for that. 188 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:26.159 As much as Meldrum and Clip will chuckle with me or or on a 189 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:31.600 rib meat, I'm here as a voice to say raising the bar for scientific 190 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.679 inquiry, calling out the scientific community. Brian, you know you at a 191 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.000 busy table yourself. That's the hard part. When you're a speaker at these 192 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:45.159 conferences. You don't get away and see the other presentations. But basically, 193 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.600 when I went to Tennessee, see Darby and I that's when we first met, 194 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:50.799 and he was like, I'm so excited. And we talked bears, 195 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.279 and we talked DNA, and we talked gene ICs, and we talked raising 196 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.480 the bar. And I know you want to talk a little bit about this 197 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.600 later. But my presentation one saying, look, I want bigfoot to be 198 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:07.440 real. Understand how hard it is, let's take bigfoot off the table. 199 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:16.159 How hard it is to change the paradigm or an accepted belief or motocol in 200 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.799 the academic world, not even about bigfoot. And that was one thing I 201 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:26.080 did in Tennessee's talked about how the established beliefs for this a large cataclysmic event. 202 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.399 I use Mount Saint Teliverance as an example. Even then, it's so 203 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:35.480 hard to get people to change your years the policy work and makes policy is 204 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:41.279 financially motivated, run by politics and big corporations. I basically say similer that 205 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.879 down. Now you have the bigfoot community. You have people who trying to 206 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.039 make it an opportunity where they can make money off of it. Number one 207 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.519 or number two. But when it's studying being funded, it's so important to 208 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:58.159 look at who is dragging it, how is it funded? In users in 209 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:01.679 it? So yeah, it's like foot in the UK is a very skeptical 210 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.559 thing people will ever believe, or well it doesn't, but then having the 211 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:11.519 possibility that it could be. I think it is incredible. One thing that 212 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.039 we talked about when I was introduced to you, I love that it was 213 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.679 sitting down and watching these shows with your grandpa and then your nan. Eventually 214 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.039 that's why I am on this podcast talking to you. I love what you're 215 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.720 doing. Big quot to me is still this mystery that we still don't understand. 216 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:30.600 And as a scientist, zero is a data point people, and you 217 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.320 don't get to conduct research in an enveload, be in an echo chamber. 218 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.120 You have to share your information, you have to be open to other ideas. 219 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:43.080 Sometimes you can't just yes, I know and shoot the other side down. 220 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.600 And the other half of my Tennessee presentation was as a scientist understanding what 221 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.559 it's like to change policy and protocols now depending to that in the big Cook 222 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.960 community. Oh my gosh. And which is what I was speaking to you, 223 00:15:54.039 --> 00:16:00.840 Daniel. This is not just fans of a football club or or needle 224 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:07.879 coin or docs and lovers. This is an emotional loaded community. And you 225 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:12.679 can get some hotheads and some oddballs in here that you don't count in other 226 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:17.440 places, and people can get upset quickly, as I think you've already experienced. 227 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:19.639 And it was one thing I really wanted you to understand. So I'm 228 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:25.080 always calling out that. The first thing I've been saying to people going to 229 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.039 town halls is curiosity, get outsign, discover for yourself. And I love 230 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:32.759 that Bigfoot is a vehicle to get kids excited about the outdoor world. I'm 231 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.240 saying this for fifteen years. It was what kept going because somewise I would 232 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.639 have lost it. I'll get it on this TV show. I like to 233 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.679 call it the reality TV circus side show that I did for a decade. 234 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.639 It was, you know I signed up for. I thought I was heading 235 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:51.080 off to graduate school. But I digress. Bigfoot gets kids excited about the 236 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.559 outdoor world, number one. Number two, you got to get out there 237 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.320 and understand your environment, and you might not find Bigfoot, but you're gonna 238 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:00.919 learn a lot of about the natural world, and you're going to learn about 239 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.440 what we need to protest. Then number three, if you really want to 240 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.880 fit one, do it right. Everybody that's raised the bar in science, 241 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:12.599 give the junk signs and that low hanging through and that click bait bus that's 242 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:17.400 out here. And here's the thing. I get ticked off when the people 243 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:23.359 are pretending it to be a real scientific adventure, a real scientific research and 244 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.960 it's not. And I'll digress there, but it's a mockumentary or they're having 245 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.400 fun. I think that Huckberry, those guys are great. They're not pretending 246 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.559 that it's a real show. And my Knowledge Finding is the only show where 247 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:38.400 we had it written in our contract. Anybody faked anything, they're gone, 248 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:44.960 and we actually executed that. Now I'm not saying people Little didn't plot something 249 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.880 and fake us out, or that Cliff and Bobo didn't take a hot air 250 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.519 balloon in the whole way and it was some adventure. But but we were 251 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:55.640 doing those night investigations and if we heard something or we collected something, we 252 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.240 weren't faking the calls or faking tracks at least to my knowledge, and actually 253 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.200 handed it. You know, we were one of those early shows of we're 254 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.319 going out and doing this. I me, my favorite part of Finding Bit 255 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.640 three is you could sit there and watch these witness encounters and reports. We 256 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.759 would go there, we would attempt to do an investigation. We do a 257 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:17.319 recreation. We we do an investigation, and what happened there was really happening, 258 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:22.039 and making television is really boring. Doing those night investigations would be a 259 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.400 couple of minutes, were sometimes six hour adventures. You're going to get a 260 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:30.000 flyby from a cat. It's so important to me that misinformation disinformation right now 261 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:36.119 is so random. It's so hard before and now it's even worse. So 262 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.759 I travel the country, I keep myself big. A lot of I do 263 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:42.240 public speaking. I've done a few TED talks, and I speak on many 264 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:47.160 topics othering and belonging, which I am trying to boring into a big for 265 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:52.279 me because it's so critical. I speak on LGBTQ equality, I speak on 266 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.680 science, education, stem critical thinking, and these are all things we need, 267 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.559 critical thinking, we need to raise. Have you read saying in this 268 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:06.880 book that I was telling you about where he basically covers all of those you 269 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.759 know, all of the biases and all those people you need to educate on 270 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:15.880 the pseudo fallacies, all of that. You can be there ready to jump 271 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.680 out of the way that next you know, hugster because there were so many 272 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.960 people out there or just trying to make it bad fifteen minutes of fame or 273 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:23.680 whatever it may be. But I'm happy to see that a lot of people 274 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:29.119 are starting to talk about I'm going to move into the next question because you 275 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.599 started to answer it for me, and I think what you've done there with 276 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:37.240 finding Bigfoot, and everyone I talked to they see you guys as the original 277 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:44.119 people that started to populicize it because you guys started quite early on. I 278 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.119 don't know it's the exact date when you started finding big book, but they 279 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:53.759 said that you're like the original guys who started looking for this kind of creature 280 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:56.440 or being thank you. I feel like I should be throwing some kind of 281 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.480 gangster a pimp con on there, playing some music. We're not verbs, 282 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.160 we are standing on. I'd like to say the big shoulders of those who 283 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.039 came before us. Mom's request, Oh my gosh, she got a high 284 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.920 tech but Doug was doing way pre dates what funny Bigfoot was doing finding big 285 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.960 But was that first running where you're doing in that aspect of it. But 286 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.400 we are no way the first, and we stand on the shoulders got Hicheck, 287 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:22.559 other smaller productions, and then of course the originals who are actually doing 288 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:27.640 those expeditions trying to find it and going back. You got Meldrum before Meldrum 289 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.119 was over. Krantz. Should we go down the list of I don't know 290 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:34.759 if you want more questions, but John Green's bindernegal, all of them renee 291 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.680 to Hinden. I mean, what an amazing personality goes on and not I 292 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.079 don't want to leave names off, but it's very sweet of you to say. 293 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.000 I think in that concept, and we hit it just the right time 294 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.319 with this goofy group that they threw us together, and all my Dysfunctional World 295 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.720 family, my Bigfoot brothers. I mean the timing of it, but I 296 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.000 think what hit was that? And I say this, and a lot of 297 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:00.839 my presentations at Bigfoot comes up. Even if there wasn't that show in Bigfoot, 298 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.119 if Matt Bobo would have still been doing what they were doing. But 299 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.000 love me a Bigfoot story. I always want to drop my toeway and say, 300 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.160 okay, what is going on here? And then they tell me about 301 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.480 it and they love having me because I'm gonna be like, wait what or 302 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.240 I am really guys would have been doing that either way? Now? Yeah, 303 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.799 My one request is call it for what it is. Are you entertainment? 304 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.480 Are you really that's the thing? Watch out for that. And then 305 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:32.000 now we're getting into you know, with AI and science, it's harder and 306 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:36.359 you have to have peener lens. But it's now more than ever. As 307 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:38.359 I say to my kids when I go to those presentations, the Internet and 308 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:42.759 all the technology being thrown at you. My generation is we have these things 309 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:48.440 called encyclopedia or library. You have to walk inside and look it up and 310 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.119 check that out. Can you guys have this little computer in your hand and 311 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.519 all the answers? But it's all the more harder. What people will believe 312 00:21:55.519 --> 00:22:00.519 on the Internet is just so disheartening. Make yourself the best scientists naturalists. 313 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:07.200 You guys have to invent your sources. How did you run to get involved 314 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.799 in fun? Bigfoot people were easily getting online And this is the remember of 315 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.240 the first time I was with my sister and one of the first things we 316 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.839 looked at because of our dad, is we were like, let's go find 317 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.319 a big food store and that's how it's on the BFRO. So that's when 318 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.680 I became aware of the BFRO. So flash forward, It's years later. 319 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.400 My dad had passed away and I was going through some of these belongings and 320 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:32.359 I found some big Bolk clippings and it made me feel very young. That 321 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:34.640 made me feel close to my dad again. So I wanted to find Bigfoot 322 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.400 stories. Where I was doing field work and my main project was on the 323 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:44.160 Olympic Peninsula. I sent an email to Matt Moneymaker. Matt respond and asked 324 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.640 for my number. Calls me. Now, so this is like two thousand 325 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:51.440 and three. Maybe to just condense this, I do remember, you're going 326 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.079 to be the Jane Good old Sasquatch. It's going to be a woman who 327 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:57.079 finds one. They come very close to women because women aren't intimidating. This 328 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.200 is not me, Mockey. I'm just trying to do it a different way 329 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.799 of Matt. And I remember saying, with all due respect, I don't 330 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:07.480 believe it's a real animal, but I love a bigfoot story. I am 331 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.480 a phil biologist and I've worked with Salmon so for the longest time. If 332 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.200 there would be a comment on the BFROL page talking about working with a biologist 333 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:19.279 at Noah Callers ELK and does Sam, he was referring to me. So 334 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.200 I signed an NDA and I say this, it's really interesting. I say, 335 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.920 I'm not a BFROL member. Not to throw shade at the BFRL. 336 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:34.720 I am constantly applauding collect data, just be select, have a system that 337 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:40.200 applies everywhere. Whatever you're studying, do good science. So I plot the 338 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:45.359 BFRL and what they're doing. I just keep my perspective. I like to 339 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.799 stay a little bit removed. So that's how I wound up on the show. 340 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:52.359 I had an online wink relationship with Matt where I would leave bait out 341 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:55.680 there. I would be going out there three days a week to these field 342 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:59.200 sites where there are total hotspots, and I would also a part of the 343 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.920 year would be out there months on end doing my survey. So that was 344 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.279 for over a decade that I was doing that, and then finally met Matt 345 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:08.440 in person, and then I was supposed to be heading out. I was 346 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.640 at Noah during all this time, working Noah, working with the Lower l 347 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.720 Walk. There was the Elwa dammarymobile project was going on at that point, 348 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:22.079 the largest dam removal in the history, and now the Klamath is coming down 349 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.839 and that is the largest damarymobile project. So Salmon we were basically studying the 350 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.720 pregammary removal that led to a movement study. I was basically tracking little baby 351 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:34.359 Salmon single all over and seeing things happening now down on the Klamath, which 352 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:38.720 is gorgeous raw country right there, dying up to near Willow Creek and all 353 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.680 that. But that was what I was doing. Matt then contacted me. 354 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.000 I was supposed to be heaving the grad school mixt thing. I knew I 355 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.200 was filming a pilot because I thought it was going to be like, Oh, 356 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:49.279 I get to go to this trip to Alaska, which is one of 357 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:53.160 my favorite places. A bunch of research up there with brown bears. Basically, 358 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:56.319 what part of the salmon a brown bear eats is what my research was. 359 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.599 It turned into what part of the brown bear a bigfoot? You know, 360 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.440 I filmed a pilot not thinking that it would be over a decade of 361 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.079 my life, and I know I've done some interviews and spoke to this. 362 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.759 I'm very much in trying to always mentor that next generation do what you're passionate 363 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.599 about. I'm that person who's doing what you want to do or is close 364 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:21.720 to it, and make them your mentor. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch outyssey. 365 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:26.000 We'll be right back after these messages. So here, I was doing 366 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.559 what I wanted to do. I was supposed to head off to grad school. 367 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.319 I do this little trip and then all of a sudden, saying no, 368 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:33.680 I'm went a contract. They're like, hey, this chip off. 369 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.920 Wait what I honestly, you guys, I'm devastated. I was physically ill. 370 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.480 I was like, no, I'm on this other path. So where 371 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.559 I'm volved with this is this. Sometimes in the moment, a door will 372 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.039 close and you think this is awful, and maybe another door opens and I 373 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.680 was like, Okay, maybe this is where I'm supposed to be, and 374 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.400 then that door closed and actually I wasn't supposed to be at Oregon State University. 375 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.279 Then four years later I find out, oh that was okay, and 376 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.799 now I'm here and I love this part of it. But then there's this 377 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:06.279 other aspect of it. There's a lot of it can be toxic working in 378 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:08.279 reality TV. There's all these downsides of it. La that's a door that 379 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:12.279 seems like it's closed there, but that opens something else. Some musician media 380 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:18.000 friends of mine we were talking about earlier, Brian, who I was miserable 381 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.559 for a period of time filming the show because I'm like, yeah, it's 382 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.039 the closest thing to actually we really were trying. We would have a crew, 383 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:29.000 we'd go as small as we could, we would be as cloak as 384 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:33.079 we could, as stealth as possible. We're working with the confines of a 385 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.440 network and a production company. All of those limits, you feel really handicapped. 386 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.200 When we got some traction and all of a sudden we were in this 387 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.680 little budget, big ad dollar pop culture hit show. We got our contracts 388 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:52.480 where we written number one thing nothing is fake. Number two, one of 389 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.400 us gets to go and he really squatched without the whole camera. We like 390 00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:57.720 took those moments to do that, but it was really hard. But I 391 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:02.440 just I sit with that, remembering that one door closes, another one opens, 392 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:07.480 and always look for that opportunity that is speaking to your heart and taking 393 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:10.079 on your right path, because the universe, for whatever, is always trying 394 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.720 to knock you off. If you're true to yourself, you're where you're supposed 395 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.440 to be. That's one of those things that Cliff and I've had so many 396 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.759 conversations about in private, about the show and the ten years that you guys 397 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:23.279 spent doing and the things that people don't get to see behind the scenes, 398 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:27.279 and how that affected you guys in long term, even after the show went 399 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.759 off the air. It's some amazing conversations with Cliff and I've had quite a 400 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.880 few of those over drinks. I love the approach that you've always taken from 401 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.359 the skeptical science part of this. I am a very skeptical person. I 402 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.279 thank you, and I talked about that in Tennessee. I had a guy 403 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.920 on the show that I thought was going to tell me a Bigfoot encounter story, 404 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.200 and I famously don't get into people's stories before they come on. I 405 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:49.960 hear him for the first time, and he was a doctor who's a PhD 406 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:55.400 in primatology, doctor Cherau, and he starts talking about the mythology of Bigfoot. 407 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.079 It was clear to me very early on he didn't believe that Bigfoot was 408 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:00.799 an undiscovered biological species, very much like yourself. And we got into this 409 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:06.240 conversation because it's difficult for me as a skeptic. I'm about eighty five percent 410 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:10.279 there on Bigfoot. I haven't seen one, so I'm not one hundred percent 411 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.759 there. And this is the problem I have with reconciling. I have friends, 412 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:18.039 very close friends, people like Cliff he wrote the forward to my book, 413 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.480 and I still can't be one hundred percent there with him in that these 414 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.440 things are real biological species. My show is based on encounter stories of people 415 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:32.880 that I believe have had encounters with what they believe to be Bigfoot. How 416 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:37.559 do you reconcile that as a person first and foremost that's into this and a 417 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.599 scientist, how do you reconcile that part of it and separating the science from 418 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.920 the anecdotal stories and the people that are involved in these stories. So when 419 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.720 I did a ten talk in naked to name them, and I'm like me 420 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.799 as curiosity, he's driven my big foot and I basically in that talk, 421 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.319 I think it was like twenty sixteen, was saying, I believe in the 422 00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.640 majority of reports I'm talking am I just all records coming in saying I not 423 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:06.119 just sitting down and really analyzing. Because you have this shotgun thousands and thousands 424 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.559 of reports. I think majority of them are misapplication. I think then you 425 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.880 have a section that are paradoilia. I think you have a section that people 426 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:17.000 are called it medical. They're on something, or they have bad vision, 427 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.680 are there excisoprenick, or they're hearing something. I think you have people who 428 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.480 do hoaxes. And I stand by this because I remember the guy's always saying 429 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.640 hoax. There's always going to come out brag about it. And I'm like, 430 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.200 so that's the best hoax. How long do you keep somebody believing it's 431 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.400 real, The better you're laughing at home, sitting out your campfire or whatever. 432 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:38.039 Run those together, and I stand by this. I think covers well 433 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.200 in the upper nineties. I do roll all those away, though, roll 434 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.559 all those up, and let's just say, like very tongue in cheek was 435 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.200 like zero point zero whatever. At the end of the day, though, 436 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.240 this is the part where I'm on this podcast with you guys and still talk 437 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.519 about this why I spend a decade of my life in the wood. At 438 00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.519 the end of the day, you cannot explain, not many of them, 439 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.839 but they are are the ones you cannot find. You just cannot fun That's 440 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.039 why I'm fascinated, and that's why the phenomena persists. Now let's bring this 441 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.920 full struggle. How do I reconcile that as a scientist, science is a 442 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.880 paradigm how I view the world. I treat it very much, not like 443 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.880 just the subject that a kid might take in school, but it's also overb 444 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:26.079 how I approach album solving the scientific method as a trained scientist. This is 445 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:29.519 one thing that bringing it back, Guys raising the bar, call out the 446 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.119 big Foot community to employ the scientific method, own up on pseudo fallacies, 447 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.119 and make yourself the best scientist, make yourself the best critical finger. So 448 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:42.160 if you agree at have this belief that it's a biological species, go start 449 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.640 to hanging out with the groups. Think the other thing. Don't just put 450 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.519 yourself in an echo chamber with everybody and give you a bunch of yes men, 451 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.920 because then you're just falling flat. Not then you got a challenge and 452 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.559 push. We used to pay that the earth was flat. We used to 453 00:30:55.599 --> 00:31:00.640 think on mythemocentric the some revolt around that earth constant, Like that's what the 454 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:06.599 scientific method is about. Retesting. You can see it in visits. Steenstein 455 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:11.240 was so ahead of his time and using math, or even previous civilizations use 456 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.119 math and science. They were onto something and then we test it and then 457 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.960 maybe a new piece comes in and fits and the puzzle comes together, and 458 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.039 you test it and you retest it, and you no hypothesis. You try 459 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.400 to disprove it so that you prove your opinion. That brings me back to 460 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.640 multidisciplinary science is so important. That's answered from myself and more of a field 461 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.799 than I am. It comes in from geology, it comes in from fisheries, 462 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:42.039 sociology, animal behaviors. It's not just one field. You overlap them. 463 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:48.240 It'll need to have disagreements to push. When somebody's going through their thesis 464 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.240 or even to get their doctorate, they're going to go through that board and 465 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:53.720 have their examine. They're going to test and they're going to fire at you. 466 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.559 And that's the point with done the scientific thing again, back to tennes 467 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.039 d when you get the PhDs up here, real high and they're like stuck 468 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:05.880 in their way. It used to be all the damn guys and now we're 469 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.559 like, actually taking the wood out is bad. Leaving the wood in the 470 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:14.359 system is actually more natural. It took forever as of those guys that they 471 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:15.880 were educated and trained, and then they get up in the policy and they're 472 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.799 making the decisions as the corporations. You're bringing the money, and who makes 473 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.799 the rules, who rights the regulations? To change that is a long frustrating 474 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.759 process, but the data is shurely that's not the way to do it. 475 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.720 That's to sciences and it's a process and it's method. You can apply that 476 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.119 in the big world. Just to add to that, Brian, because I 477 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.319 feel like I don't want to evade your question there. So yeah, I 478 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.480 don't believe it's not discovered biological species. I'd love for it to be real. 479 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:44.240 I would love nothing more to see a big thing. Everything that I've 480 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:49.440 seen or experience that resonates in flames. If you take again, I'm not 481 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.759 going to be in an echo chamber and say I'm right and you're wrong, 482 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:57.400 and throw your data out everything that of these strange reports that can't be anything 483 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.799 else. You can't just throw them out. If I look get those, 484 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.200 if I look at the whole historical record, which is the oral traditions of 485 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.039 indigenous people around the world, you don't tell you the majority of them say 486 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:12.720 it's not a flesh and black animal, it's something beyond science. All of 487 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:19.279 what you will. My big believes align much more in that realm than bioledropecs. 488 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.640 Then of course everybody is, oh gee, she even they're normal. 489 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.960 Googos told me he's seen uphos members of our crew while filming the show. 490 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.720 We've seen odd lights. I've seen orbs. I've never seen a UFO. 491 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:37.240 I've heard weird sounds. I've seen weird eyeshine. I've seen and experienced a 492 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.119 lot of odd things. But track nerds, as I say it, nerd 493 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.359 affectionately, I'm a nerd myself. Track nerds are all like, look, 494 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.599 here's physical evidence, and I'm like, okay, let's look at your back 495 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:51.880 evidence. They're going crazy. And then I'm like, okay, now this 496 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.079 is this track that there's no way to say it, but this track set 497 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.319 now goes into a dry creek bed and then just stopped. How do you 498 00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:02.599 explain that so you don't cherry picked your datus So that then says it's something 499 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.039 beyond. So that's why I lean in that. I believe Bier is something 500 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:13.559 beyond the current grass side. What that is, I don't know. But 501 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.719 what I don't appreciate is in the Bigfoot community when somebody says it's this, 502 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.559 and then they're just like mocking the other side. I'm like, then prove 503 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.360 it. Then, who are you to tear that side down? Can't we 504 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.920 all collectively work together. We're in this fringe community where we're getting people teasing 505 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.639 us or rolling their eyes dat us. It's worked together tear each other down. 506 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.039 I'm all about humor and keeping it light. I'm gonna tell you when 507 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.119 if you ask me. You asked me some UK Big Book questions and I 508 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:40.760 was like, I gotta be honest with you. I just got to go 509 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.679 reor watch that episode. And then that, of course is you understand we 510 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.360 film hours and hours and it gets edited down to this or sometimes what I'm 511 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.159 saying some of those clips, we're talking about it weeks later, because do 512 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.719 film it it's edited, we got to get a bite or word, and 513 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.320 then it's I'm in a different lo or we're at a different location and filming 514 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.320 some theater months weeks later. So yeah, I'm having a little PTSD. 515 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:07.800 After that whole rewatching the episode, all of a sudden, I started getting 516 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:13.079 a flood of memories and to get the reference love that. I'm going to 517 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:19.199 go now into the UK episodes, and it's my final topic before we go 518 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.719 into the UK episodes of fund and book Foot, though, what is your 519 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.679 favorite episode on finding book Foot? That is such a hard question because there's 520 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.840 different favorites for different reasons. Here's where I got the best food, where 521 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.480 I could get the best spa body treatment or something. Do you ever notice 522 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.199 those final night investigations or something. It would always be Cliff and I would 523 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:42.480 have to do the hard fakes, so it would be like when I'm met 524 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.079 amazing people. So many different reasons, there's not just one. I will 525 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:51.920 say some of my favorites was going to Nepal was amazing. I'd always had 526 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:53.760 wanted to go there. It was one of my bucket list items. I 527 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.480 went early second we were done wrapping the other place and we knew we were 528 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.519 going to be going there. Nobody else was home for the break. And 529 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:06.840 then I went and Paul early and hid and spent time and got acclimated. 530 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.960 And then I went up to Bet and I went to the highest monastery world 531 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:15.760 and saw the Holy Mother literally with my eyes up the watershed. And I'm 532 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:22.159 a respiration to coologist. Watersheds are my being protecting watershed. That's what I'm 533 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.400 about. So to see this ultimate watershed, I have a fossil here with 534 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:29.280 him and and I out of that was just like the best, just the 535 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.079 random ones, really, the kids and amazing people that I met. Going 536 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:37.360 to Bluff Creek with Bob Gimlin on horsebat the first time he'd ever been back 537 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.599 there. It's like going to the Vatican with Oh, how do you beat 538 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:45.199 that? I was really nerving out there, But it wasn't about the big 539 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.800 foot aspect of it. It. It was Bob Gimblin had a lot of 540 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.559 overlaps. He's this amazing sweet man and he's fatigue. I grew himself to 541 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:58.039 thoughts. There's a lot of ranch ellas who are small, but they're just 542 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.719 snail powerhouses. And that's Bob. So he may not be tall in stature, 543 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.000 but he's hour full and larger than life. And even though my dad 544 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.360 was like six seven, there were just so many overlaps. They were both 545 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.599 into up boxing, they both came from ranches and horses. They both have 546 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.719 this daredevil evil can eevil overlap, and then they both were obviously bigfoot. 547 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.159 Bob and I went on a walk. It was really funny because we landed. 548 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.559 Bob invited me out and went for a walk and had this beautiful little 549 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.840 meeting and came back and he was I think the guys were ribbing me a 550 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.559 little bit, and Bob was all protective of major. Really sweet. We're 551 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.480 both in Washington State. I've just been so busy. It reminds me i 552 00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.119 Ney to shout out to him. I'm overdue for a non bigfoot conversation visit 553 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.679 to Bob. So off the top of my head, those are two that 554 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.639 immediately jump out, But it's really about those town halls, meeting those kids 555 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:52.800 for me, meeting all those junior fouture naturalists that have that look of wonder 556 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.920 enthusiasm in their eyes and they want to go and find out a big bit 557 00:37:55.039 --> 00:38:00.119 ins themselves. That was my favorite part to be completely right. I think 558 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:06.840 that's probably my favorite part seeing you guys with Bob in Bluff Creek. It 559 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.960 is incredible. I don't think you could ask for anything but on that put 560 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.559 an honor. My last couple of questions for you is when you came over 561 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:22.320 to the UK and you were filming find in Bigfoot. What were your impressions 562 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:29.559 of Bigfoot in the UK? Always did our research going in. There's Lynn 563 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.400 the folklore is too now. I love it. You can see her Impiranormal. 564 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.000 I remember that show was coming out. Because I was under contract, 565 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.000 we could not do the show. But I actually suggested Lind to them and 566 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:42.360 I was like, here's a fabulous folkloris and I love seeing how she has 567 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:47.159 continued on the folklore behind the Green Man, Ben mc dewey and the Gray 568 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.920 Man. It's up there. There's a history here by you guys soap down 569 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.400 all your trees down there and build your houses. So even though his stories 570 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.679 and reports go back to in fifteenth and sixteenth century, there's just no habitat. 571 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.719 In my opinion, I would think that i'd get over there. So 572 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.360 coming down to your neck of the woods, I'm like, quarter connectivity is 573 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.239 critical to all known species, whatever species you are, fox, Barau, 574 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.239 whatever, quarter, connectivity is critical to your habitat survival. It would be 575 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.480 so difficult down there in the southern part of the island. Now you get 576 00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:24.039 out to the Cairen Gorms, and that's so similar to the Pacific Northwest. 577 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.559 I actually have a friend of mine from UNI to use the language back for 578 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.719 my college days. She's actually a scientist that's up there at Cromarty, right 579 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:37.840 there at the outlet near Lackness ray Firth. So I'd went out to visit 580 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:39.559 her, not while we were filming that time, but another time I went 581 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.920 back to the UK and was able to visit with her. So, yeah, 582 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.079 you have more habitat on the north part of your big island, but 583 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.079 in the southern part. Yeah, I would be a little bit more skeptical. 584 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.320 But then again, if you look at reports throughout the US, there's 585 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.760 these areas where there seems to be open space. But I think I was 586 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.719 skeptical, but not cynical, and that's the difference. I always like to 587 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:07.480 say this in an interview, Cynicism, zelotrykepticisms right there in the middle where 588 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.119 you want to be. I do believe it or not still say, always 589 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.000 question, We still look and make sure that the sources. Being a skeptic 590 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.199 is a good thing. Now I'm always do in the forest out. I 591 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.000 think it goes to a lot of researchers. You've got that real skeptical and 592 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:27.400 go hold on a minute, let's look around, let's look at all those 593 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:31.920 possibilities that it could be. Moving on to my second question about the UK 594 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:38.559 is did you find any specific evidence or any audio or anything that would support 595 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:44.599 Bigfoot in the UK? Yes. I went in and rewatched that episode and 596 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:49.320 remembered for Bobo and Cliff and those kilts and all those midges. I remember 597 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.039 those midges and you'll see lots of times if you were watching Finding Bigfoot that 598 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.599 would put this scarf up. It would either be to be warm or to 599 00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.280 keep bugs off of me. I know that when Cliff and I heard a 600 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.360 call, we watched it last night and it was so it's again. I 601 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.400 can watch these episodes. I'll go. But when I first met you, 602 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.840 you talked about a different Neil and I was like, oh, now, 603 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:14.440 I remember, so Hamish was who Bubba and Cliff did. The recreation went 604 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.519 out to their location right off of black Ness starts with an a can't remember 605 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.719 the name of it, but they went there and then we went further up 606 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.960 in the karen Gorms. I went with Neil where he had that photo. 607 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.760 How far was he from where it was? The straightaway? I remember that 608 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.519 being there. I remember looking at the photo and seeing, in my opinion, 609 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.639 I can roll up that's a person, and honestly that leans more towards 610 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.199 a person. I even just looking at it almost see like a hat. 611 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:43.559 That was my take on that. But what I loved about Neil was I 612 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.480 don't know then going with the other Neil trying to think of her. Two 613 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:52.679 names still Young and Nail Robinson. Is it Robinson or Robson. Neil Young 614 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:57.880 is the first guy that we went with Adam, because Neil O'Neil went with 615 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.000 Adam to that location that Matt followed up with them. If I recall, 616 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:06.119 it was a windy, cold night and nothing happened. But I'm just speaking 617 00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.480 to what my experience was. The photo that I saw with Neil did not 618 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:15.440 elicit anything with me to go WHOA, I can't explain that or when I 619 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.599 followed up with Neil robs and I believe it is his name I am not 620 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.719 accusing, just for the record, accusing Neil of making that story out. 621 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:25.400 What I found interesting is it's so weird to be there and then see how 622 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.519 it gets edited and make it look like really nice guy and I enjoyed visiting 623 00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:34.480 with him. What I found so interesting was if I'm comback fishing shade fish 624 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.039 a lot, and I'm with my friends and I screened to run, and 625 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:42.280 you're on this elevated trail, Wooden trail, and I'm freaked out enough that 626 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.639 I'm seeing I'm assuming he doesn't do this all the time. If you're doing 627 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.519 something out of behavior that you're telling somebody to run in your panic, and 628 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.000 then you get in the car and you don't have a conversation about it, 629 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.119 That's what was so weird to me. That's what I couldn't figure out. 630 00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.280 I don't know that's that funny with me. Or maybe everybody handles Tralla dress 631 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:01.719 in different ways. Maybe he just should shut down in the car. I 632 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:07.039 don't know. I also thought it was so largely they were saying nine ten 633 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.280 over nine feet, they were paying more like nine to eleven. It's something 634 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.760 that large over in that brush, not even just moving. Because Matt was 635 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.519 I think could quickly move when I walked over there. You were just something 636 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.320 that large. When it would step there, you would hear it moving. 637 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.679 I did love the habitat around there, and there's more habitat there once I 638 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.840 was actually there. But to me, the real habitabit of Scotland. If 639 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:35.719 you were large terrestrial and discovered species apex predator, I mean I'd be moving 640 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.360 at Scotland. I just have so much more cover. But thank you, 641 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:43.480 Renie. My final question for you, obviously I know a bit of background 642 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:49.679 info here, but what are your future plans for the bigfoot community and conferences? 643 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:54.079 A dual bigfoot life, my bigfoot life. You're a big one's funny 644 00:43:54.079 --> 00:44:00.480 Bigfoot round. I needed to really heal my body. I was almost some 645 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.840 stuff going on. I took a full year and a half off and then 646 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.840 was ramping up heading into some other things, and then COVID hit And so 647 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.760 now that we're out of COVID, I do have several projects going on that 648 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.440 are on the down low. What I can say is very close to my 649 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.559 heart is anything that works with the indigenous community. I love that or habituation, 650 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.800 repeat encounters people who very love somebody who can come out who is a 651 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:30.000 scientist who knows how to do research, is not afraid will blindly go down 652 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.960 a trail. But we'll also say nothing happened, or love to have me 653 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.920 come out. So there's been some of that going on. I almost always 654 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.639 have to sign NDAs on those. I keep very busy with my public speaking. 655 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.679 I do a few Bigfoot conferences, but I also stay really busy, 656 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:51.199 as I spoke earlier at colleges, universities, the public circuit put my Really, 657 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.239 my favorite thing is Danny. We've talked about this is to go to 658 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:59.159 schools. So I work with Kerrie Byron from MythBusters. They have an event 659 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.840 where explore media and have been bringing back basically a National Stem Challenge, and 660 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.519 a first one is this year. I was supposed to be at, but 661 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:12.400 I'm going to be somewhere else anyway. Timing didn't work on that. But 662 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.840 really, one of the dearest things to my heart is to go to schools, 663 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:21.559 whether it's elementary, middle school, high school, and talk to the 664 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:28.119 kids about what is big Foot more than anything, to challenge them to raise 665 00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.199 the bar. Thankfully your well, don't take the low hanging root. Also, 666 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.880 using your phone, be kind how do you communicate, how do you 667 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.679 exchange information? There's such a desperate your need for that right now in our 668 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:47.639 society, we can have respectful, intelligent conversation just because you know, you 669 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.360 think it's a biological species. I think that it's something beyond whether it's you 670 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:57.719 know, a spirit or an alien. But I lean more towards that, 671 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.239 But I still don't know. Don't pitch them on the conversations we need to 672 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.159 be having to say you don't know something is okay. That's really one of 673 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.920 my favorite things to do. And I also work for my sanity and like 674 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:14.440 to keep my toe in the scientific community. So I help peer review on 675 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:20.639 basically anything that's with brown bears or the watershed restoration, the Klimath. I 676 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.159 was a part of the lad Anim local project. I was part of this 677 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.639 ongoing movement study and then now the Klimath is coming out, so I still 678 00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.199 work with them. And then of course EDNA is involving, so there is 679 00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:38.639 the EDNA Collaborative University of Washington with Ryan Kelly and Kira or part of that. 680 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:43.119 So people are always asking me. So I've been coming in and asking 681 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.920 them, Okay, how do I count unicate and share to make sure that 682 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.519 people are so much with the new science. Holding those feet to the fire. 683 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:53.079 If you will big feet to the fire, if you will holding the 684 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:57.760 feed to the fire. Sure it's not junk science. Making sure it is 685 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.719 good scientific. Peer repeats science, because as technology increases is what happens. 686 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.760 Everybody just like starts getting their fingers on it and they can go awry. 687 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:14.039 In a RP definitely, I will mention run A to all our UK friends. 688 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:20.159 Run A will be over here for a VRP event at the end of 689 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:24.280 April. It's called the Bigfoot Bush Sunday, the twenty eighth of April. 690 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:29.880 Tickets are all over online. Run As posted it on her page. It's 691 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:34.199 all over our pages. I'm really looking forward to that and there's a big 692 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.679 announcement on that day. Yeah. I got to say this, the way 693 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.519 that this all organically happened, and how quickly this came about having to try 694 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:46.400 to juggle and move things so for so long. There are so many fans, 695 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.239 friends, researchers out there that they're saying, are you ever going to 696 00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:57.199 come over? Okay, we're coming over myself, Ryan is coming and Running's 697 00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:59.400 going to be there. We're going to have your little our team ready. 698 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:04.280 We all looking forward to it definitely. I hope all of you are there, 699 00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:09.079 Roddie, Brian, this has been an incredible podcast, Brian, I 700 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.559 think you can agree with me absolutely. Renee never disappoints, so thank you 701 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.679 so much for your time and spending as much time as you did with us 702 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.639 and answering all the questions that are probably burning in people's minds. So we 703 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.880 definitely appreciate it. Let's put those fires out today. Anyway. I look 704 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.639 forward to crossing paths with you both again soon. Brian. Oh, not 705 00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:30.880 this much time to know. I need to get back to you. I 706 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.320 am so behind getting on podcasts. I'm just trying to put everything in order 707 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.400 will make it happening for those in the United States, particularly the Southeast. 708 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:44.079 We will all be together once again in June. June the eighth, will 709 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:49.280 all be down at the Okalla Bigfoot Conference. Russell Acord, Renee Holland RPG's 710 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.599 going to be there, Matt prud Our buddy, Matt, Adam Davies, 711 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.199 myself and of course Daniel will be there as well. I think we're going 712 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.840 to have Connor Flynn on the stage as well. Tons of people So if 713 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.119 you guys want to check out the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference, you can get 714 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.280 that on Gather Up Events and get your tickets. There's still tickets available for 715 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.719 that and you can come and hang out with all of us on June the 716 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:14.400 eighth in Florida. Yeah, and for those that are stateside, I will 717 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:19.719 be in ST's Park, Colorado on the nineteenth and twentieth. The nineteenth is 718 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.519 a private event that's a VIP meet and greet on the nineteenth. On the 719 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.960 twentieth is the public event, free to the public at St. Park, 720 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.719 Colorado, and that will be Russ, Ronnie and myself than other vendors. 721 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:37.400 And that is actually one that that organizer reached out to me years ago, 722 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.440 and I'm just now I'm literally getting through emails now. I'm still trying to 723 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.719 get through emails from and a lot. It's nice to double back through working 724 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:46.960 with late. It's like, hey, yeah, it's like, why is 725 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.679 that name so familiar? Here? You come back. I have some of 726 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.880 years later on just a big foot community right here. Otherwise just it could 727 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.559 take you over. It could take you over. And I still have some 728 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.519 other things keep me busy. But I look forward to seeing you in June, 729 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:05.280 if not sooner. So I'm good chat with you both, and I 730 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.559 look forward to more soon. They say, you don't gotta go home, 731 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:21.360 but you can't stay, and I don't want to be alone. We're lopping 732 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:53.039 chot this job that chart everything right back Joy for me, Joy stay right 733 00:50:53.239 --> 00:51:20.239 there, come in right away. Stills still States s still starts said, 734 00:51:21.079 --> 00:52:09.199 says side still stay still sustas still the States as sssssst