Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to this six hundred and tenth episode
of the geek First podcast. My name is Trust Now the Clown Prints a
podcast podcast. I am joined by I'm haha, kirklen Patzer. You're not
gonna make a haha Land joke? Are you today? What's it gonna happen?
Haha Land? Okay, good, you know what I'm talking about,
So I get it. I feel like I've seen it before. We're gonna
talk about this is what's gonna happen. So right now we're gonna do a
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good jazz. But right now, this is just the Joker Trader Breakdown.
Joker Too is It's not finally here, but at least the trail like it
feels like it's here in the sense of like it's close now it's October fourth.
There at CinemaCon, we got a trail which Kirkle is gonna pull up.
But yeah, it's a sequel offsly a Joker. I keep call it
Joker too. I don't know why. I just don't say Joker fully.
I do may I just think I'm gonna screw it up, but I feel
like I haven't so far. But yeah, it's a trailer. Obviously to
the sport Lady Gaga, they did clarify that it's not a musical, that
just music has big elements in here. Sequel to the twenty eight twenty nineteen
biggest radar film of all time, block billion dollar movie, and yeah it
is here. Kirkling, what did you think about this trailer setting us up
for Joker two coming this fall? Uh? Yeah, I this was like
a much anticipated one, just to get the first glimpse as to yeah,
like like what this is gonna be. I assume it's gonna be, you
know, along the lines of what the first movie was very depressing, really
really sad, and it makes you question your own kind of uh morals.
Is kind of a wrong way to put it, but just what's a better
word for that? It makes you question other people that they worried about that
first movie when all those fucking losers, like you know, Joker's gonna make
people start going crazy and shoot people. Kirkland was like Homelander and the boys
like watch the screen like this is me is my story one more bad day
and I'm gonna fucking kill geek first. There's gonna be a live stream and
I'm just gonna pull out a belt just spank them to I happen. That's
why I didn't want to use that word. But like it makes you just,
I guess, think about society in a in a different way. Give
out questioning your morals. No, but yeah, I know I I don't
think I've revisited that first movie since I've seen it in uh in theaters we're
speaking of we're gonna because we don't retro movies that are they have to be
five years older. Joker will be five years by time, and plus you
and Taylor were not on the original review, so it's kind of a prime
retro. So we are gonna do that. That's why. Yeah, yeah,
good way to end up on the watch list. Yeah, I gotta
be careful. This is gonna get a shrike Kirkles. We're gonna have to
make up some statement about how Kirkland is no longer a filly with geek first
and stuff. And then yeah, they're gonna go back and scrub through all
those videos and just see like like images of kirk like staring off into the
distance or like looking crazy or something. It all makes sense. They're gonna
find my clones. It's it's all gonna it's all gonna go first full time.
Yeah, the clones. But no, I I have not revisited the
first Joker movie since seen it. It's it's not one that I I seek
out for to just have something on to to enjoy because it's it's so well
made, so you can't we watched this one more time. He's getting triggered.
It'll totally turn me. I got the makeup right, like ready while
I'm watching it, for a shade is waking up to that? You know
that naked meme too. He shows the guy stand the door lights. You
would like to joke, how do you like this look? Ever? Getting
into the trailer, it is it is a very well made movie, but
is not a feel good movie, and it is not one that I would,
you know, just just seek out late at night or whatever to throw
on excited to rewatch it with. I can't believe it's been five years actually
since it's come out. That that's that's insane you saying that right now.
But yeah, I know, I'm very much looking forward to this. I'm
loving the idea of having Gaga in there, just because she's a super powerhouse
and the few things I have seen her in. But to see the trailer
finally, especially just the build up knowing that it's going to be a musical
and just how much different that could feel. I still think that this teaser
trailer it very much felt like what the first movie was. There's not like
actual singing and dancing. There's not haha Land. I can understand certain like
shots feeling similar to just a La Land kind of set up, mostly because
there's two people dancing and if you know there's gonna be you know, a
musical element too it I can get the compared. Yeah, that's I I'm
agreeance with you. I feel like that joke could get old very very fast.
But no, I think this was a good teaser trailer. It got
me excited and like it didn't didn't show like too much reveal wise, like
I don't feel super spoilered like I maybe did in you know another movie or
trailer that we'll be talking about later if we get to it, but we'll
be speaking about per se. Yeah another ha haa one perhaps, but uh,
guys wrong, Maybe they misread the trailer you're talking about. That is
the one actually, Okay where the part come from. There's a character laughing
in it, but you know McAvoy crazy. Okay, Yeah, we'll get
Yeah, we'll get there. I'll say too many words. You tell me
what you thought about. This happens in these two man casts, you know,
Yeah, Dylan and Taylor both sick, so it means one of us
are next, hopefully not. But what could we be that's want to lead
that dead air there for a second, very ominous? Uh yeah, No,
I'm I was incorrect when I said many years ago that Man Joker two's
gonna come out, and especially when billion dollars like Man, we're gonna get
so many more experimental comic movies, and lo and behold, the next experimental
comic movie we caught was Joker two five years later. That's like I thought,
for sure, that's why I wanted the movies so well. I'm like,
oh, man, Serio is gonna perk up there, like look at
what they did, and you couldn't even say that Batman's like close to it.
But still it's like still like a Batman movie, right, I think
it is. I won't say like an indie, but it's more less mainstream.
It's probably the I'm confidence saying it's the least mainstream Batman movie. Would
you agree with that out of the ones we've gone before, like The Batman.
I'm not saying it's not mainstream, but out of all of them,
I think the slow pace, the Detective miss No for sure, too much
action scenes like veering on rated ar Like it's very much the least general audience
Batman movie ever done. Yeah, like that's the closest. But like Logan
came before, and I could kind of say Spider Verse, but it's tough
because I'm not gonna throw animation, because animation you do tons of great stuff.
Very different. I was looking at the live action crew and much like
I get that there's lots of people don't like this movie. Whether it's the
edge words stuff, whether it's I don't want to see Joker alone, whether
it's all this isn't how they meet up, which I really don't care about.
That's why I'm gonna get to my point where uh or they just don't
feel it needs a sequel yet to do. For me, I love DC,
I love Marvel, but we've gone so much of it where I'm not
gonna say I don't want a general superhero venture like the Marvels or Blue Beetle
or et cetera, right, But for me, it's just that I will
take a joker and a joker to any day of the week over especially with
MCU and DC had been putting out lately, not kind of the bat and
I'm talking about like the last like Shazam and all coman, like we have
fun, We had a good time with those, Like I'm not saying they
can't all exist, but for me, like just the visuals in this alone,
it's like if Awkham or Blue Beetle or the Marvels or ant Man suck,
it's kind of like, well they suck, and there's not much there
this movie could suck character why story wise, but even least it's like,
wow, these visuals are really great, right, where a lot of the
other comic movies right now you don't have that. It has to be like,
those things have to be good because the actual just movie making stuff is
never supremely well made, right because they're pump they're pumping them out, or
they're spending budgets on the actors, which they are in this movie. This
movie is like a two hundred million dollar movie. It's more bigger than the
first one. So we'll see how that fares. But I just think this
is gonna be a hit because speaking of my sister, she rarely text me
about this stuff. She texts me, which I don't know why she thinks.
I guess for sure. She's like, is Joker two gonna be good?
I'm like, well, the trailer look good, so hope. I
would hope and been like, I can't tell you that. Like she trusts
you with those opinions, you know, she must. That's a good thing.
I'll take that as a good thing. After our movie came out and
they trust us a little bit more. But that's why because whether lots of
people saw obviously Joker, but lots of people if they didn't. Gaga is
like a spike in the ass like that will get people like, man,
I'm really interested. That's what it's like with cast things. I'm kind of
like alluding to like a steroid like a like and then that'll get you going.
But not that I've done them or anything like that, because and that's
even side joke. Once I I'm not gonna say anything about wrestlers or volleybullains,
but once I found out like that thing could like make your balls and
peel smaller, absolutely not. I am very happy with my above average.
Yes I have measured, I'm above the average, but even then, like
I don't want that to shrink at all, like that no end, Oh
dude's back me is just disgusting. It's not worth the muscles. Whatever it
is, I don't care. So any spike my ass has just been sugar
or juices or a person who knows. But I will say that this movie,
like I said, everything could be dog shit, but one I don't
think the acting's gonna be dog shit, Like we know they're gonna bring it,
like walking when an Oscar last go around. I think Gaga could very
much win an Oscar for this. I think she's gunning for it here,
and I for some reason, like it looks like a twohander, But I
feel like there's gonna be certain moments where Gaga is taken over this film,
and I think she might end up being the antagonist. I don't know.
I don't know if it's sort of a like a like, oh, so
they're both gonna be talkxic, but it just looks like there's a certain things
we'll talk about where it's like, Okay, this looks a bit confrontational.
Uh, and just again visually there's multiple shots will pause in this trailer,
but this thing is just like so much craft we made. Oh that's the
other knock right, It's like, oh, because it's like, uh,
Joker was like a play on Robert den Arrow and Scort says these taxi,
So it's like all this movie copies a lot of them, et cetera,
et cetera. It's like, okay, sure there are those elements, but
for me in the comic movies, when we've gone so much just kind of
general, yeah, it's fine. And then like I don't know when I'm
ever gonna watch The Marbles Blue Beetle Auckaman to Shazam to Man, like I
don't know when I'm gonna rewatch those, Like I'm just gonna say if ever,
because I will watch them at some point, especially not to be like
uh negative, but like if an actor passes, that's where like, oh,
I'm gonna go back and I'll like feel good and watch these right But
like with with Joke or I've watched that many times because I guess I'm a
sick o and I'm just waiting. You know, I'm already past Kirklan's like
trying to mess his morals up. My morals were already fucked. I lost
him a long time ago, so I can just watch like a home But
like I like dark, like I love horror movies, so I like the
depressing stuff. But I'm just the filmmaking on this. I'll take this any
day over the week over anything most of the time that's been coming out as
of late. So on the the Oscar topic, do you think I was
just thinking about this earlier today? But like you think if Joaquin does like
an even better performance than what he did in the first movie, like,
do you, I still feel like it would be a less chance that he
gets an Oscar for for portraying the same character in the same role, even
if it is like that much better. I just feel I don't know.
I'm not a big fan of award shows in general, so maybe that's where
some of my text me the whole time. He's like, why are you
watching this trash? Stop trav get off that trash. Yeah? Oh look
like plus fifty krows. I bet you liked that win or huh you loser
on award shows. What I'm doing fucking play by play. Yeah, I
think there's a good chance for him to get nominated, but the wind no,
I think a norm is easy because it's like, well, let's give
him that. I think Gaga and this is me saying this in what is
it May April when we have seen all the other movies, But I think
as if it's the same quality of the last time. I think anom is
locked. I don't know about Best Picture because that's a little bit different.
That was more surprising when the movie got nominated for Best Picture and he got
nominated for Best Director, because the second go around, it's the two things
right where it is like, oh, well you've done this and this is
just a oh and more, you know, it's like okay, or it
could be the surprise where if people have that feeling like oh, it's gonna
be more of the same, and that's why I love this trailer. Looks
like it has some action, but in most comic movies, the big set
pieces in the trailer are like the action scenes, right, explosion, a
big fight. It has some of those, but it looks like the biggest
set pieces in this are the musical elements, and Oscars do love musicals,
So I think there's a chance where people might think of it and go,
oh, yeah, whatever, like we've seen Joker, like we don't need
to see this again. Maybe will nominate. Phoenix is always good, but
it could have people being like writing it off like whatever, we've seen this
before, right, and then when you see it go wow, holy shit,
kind of like a Batman Begins jump to the Dark Knight. Not that
those can nominate, right, but like, I feel like The Dark Knight
is such a different movie than the Batman begins. You're like, geez,
Louise, So there's a chance, but I'll agree with you that I don't
think you went. But also could just be a weak year, right,
We've had that where we do Golden Geeks and we're like, oh, we
only got like six people for this category, you know, like who else
do we want? So it could have been a shit year for actors,
you know. I just I mean again, like I don't pay attention to
these awards shows, but like, has anyone ever won an Oscar for reprising
the role of like if they had won the first time, like that's probably
never been up or never happened one, oh, because I know people that
have been nominated, Like I think, but she got nominated for both Godfathers,
but he didn't win framing the Godfathers. He won for U Sent to
the Woman. So even this, like he would be making history to even
win an Oscar that nominated for the same role. So even that history's made.
If he can pull that off, if he wins same thing, history
made, So he can make a lot of history. And I feel like
he could because he Just what I love about this trailer, which you'll get
into it, is I love already it feels like a different Arthur Fleck,
Like there's there's shades of the old one, but he just feels like even
a bit more confident the role and even just the way Phoenix portraying him.
He's portrayed this character once, it's like feels like he kind of knows what
he's doing. Not that he didn't know the first time, but I just
mean like when people do sequels, they kind of already have that gauge,
right of like they know what they're doing so well, that first one is
very much like an origin, you know, for him becoming the Joker and
like actually donating the air quote mass which is just his makeup. But yeah,
yeah, no, I agree with you there. I'm gonna bring up
the trailer. Yeah, we'll take our first break and then we'll bring up
the trailer and we're back. I know he brought the trailer, but you
know spoiler. Yeah, nice little lens flair here like that with the great
audio. No, that's okay. You can tell me when the uh the
uh the music choice gets in, because I really loved the music choice.
But yeah, and that's the other thing too, when he said what the
spoils much like Joker one, whether people like it or not, we don't
know what's gonna be real and what's not gonna be real in this movie,
right, I think there's a good we'll not get shot every I think all
musical sequences are obviously not real. There's a chance on people to put the
theory out that even Harley isn't even real the whole time. I could just
be a figure of this imagination, you know, which I'm fine with.
I'm not always a fan of like it was a dream or dreams, see
like dream like cop outs. But with the Joker and this version of Joker,
I'm fine because he kind of There's been versions of that where he does
have multiple personalities or multiple realities, so I'm fine with them. I feel
like that's such like a meme in like storytelling. It's just like and then
he woke up like like you know, like like at the end of the
the story or whatnot. I somewhat like the idea of like a character that
we're interacting with a lot being not a real character like in reality. But
that's just like if we're following the story through our protagonist's point of view,
like they perceive them as an actual character. I do like stories that do
that. For this one, I don't know how i'd feel about it,
just the fact that it is Harley Quinn, like it is a established character
just in the like the world of Batman. I definitely want her to be
real, and I don't know I from this trailer, I definitely got certain
notes of what you were mentioning earlier, of them possibly having some sort of
clash or I don't know, the theory of her potentially being like a threat.
I do like that idea actually, just for what the story is,
but I also don't want it to make it, you know, like Arthur
being the hero of a sudden because he still is a very you know,
he is a criminal. I don't want it to be him switching for the
sake of having a new villain in there or whatnot. But I think you
would only switch away, like not to save Gotham, but just like to
win against her, Like that would be the way, right, Like,
I don't maybe that sort of route, But and yeah, they're doing some
change up. I know some people are like, oh, you know,
she's not the therapist and stuff, but again I'm I'm fine, Like it's
an adaption. There's many versions of it. Sure, I'd love to do
that, but guess what, Susaid's God had that chance and they fucked it
up. So here we are, and I guarantee you this is gonna be
much but like, to me, the point of Joker and Harley is they're
falling in love right now. It's gonna be different too, because I don't
know if I don't think we're getting that. I almost got the dynamic.
We'll wait to get some shots, which the shot you pause it really like
the umbrellas, which is funny because if you look at the umbrellas in the
scene, they're not really colorful. But then I didn't notice that in the
first union of the trailer actually where yeah the umbrellas are. They're just black.
And that's what makes me think it's like switching to that dream like sequence
thing where you're seeing it more in like a higher life, as if he's
taking drugs or something, you know, like everything's uplift, And I like
the idea the whole movie might be kind of a ride like that, right
So, but yeah, I don't know if they're doing that dynamic where he's
a piece of shit to her and she still loves them for it. I
almost think they might be doing the reverse from some of the feelings I got
that they fall in love and she's the demanding one and he's the one that's
kind of at be because what I got from this trailer is I feel like
they're trying to nurse him back to health, and she's the one kind of
pushing them to be like the Joker again, you know, like, oh,
show me a real face, where I think they're trying to be like,
oh, it could be you know, you can be Arthur Flack again,
you can have a normal life. I feel like she's the one pull
and the joke er out of them. So I like that idea as well,
because it's I mean, it's different than what the normal dynamic between Harley
and Joker is, especially like her just trying to always be the number one,
you know, like in his eyes, but him just kind of pushing
her to the side. So I would like that switch up, and even
just the switch up of her not being his therapist anymore. I do like
that dynamic well, because this is also just a very different world than our
normal Batman world is. But it's just I think for the story it does.
But that's the other thing too, If it was a whole sec was
this movie that could fit too. Where she cuts this movie ends with him
sit on a couch talking to the therapist that it's Harley and he's just imagined
the whole thing, right. I don't know if I want that, because
I like Joker One where I like it. It's like there's aspect of it
where it's like what's real, what's not? But yeah, they could just
go the full Monty it seems to hercrase. Of course, I'm curious.
I'm guessing this is probably just gonna be flashbacks to her before she got in
there, and I'm wondering how she gone there and the timeline of the stairs,
because clearly she's like a fanatic of him. So is this her visiting
the stairs after that is just a coincidence? I don't know, But yeah,
back to back, we get her kind of recreating shots of the movies,
right because she does that, and who's not gonna fall for lady aga
come on that, Like, look at this shot right here. Man,
this is a shot where he is in the dark, the spotlight goes on
him. You just see him. He's has a cigarette. It is just
be that's right there. It's like, man, it's what the movies are.
It's what the movies are for, you know, so great stuff.
And look at the color of the windows and amazing a like like this feels
I hate to make the comparison, but like a Lalla Land type scenario,
especially for him. All this is a scene that people share as Highland most
it's the one who come out with the hotel Arkham or whatever it is,
but it is. But I like that and I'm so excited, Like it
looks very old school musicals and everything, and yeah, I'm curious to see
because we've heard like a jukebox music and like, look that cut right there.
That's why I go back a second. That's why I can't wait for
It's them dancing and like the La la Land musical scenario, and then when
they turn they flip it in them real world dancing all this crime stuff.
That's why I'm completely fine, not fine, like I'm like, i am
fine, like now the music stuffs real, Like I'm fine with that being
like an allegory to like half the characters are growing through, you know,
like I'm all down for that. That's fun experimental. I like that part
and that almost like makes me, as someone that doesn't like musicals, U
uh, enjoy that more because it's right, it's not them singing in the
real world. It's like, oh, well, they're hallucinating this, you
know, one hundred percent, and like that's something I feel like I didn't
think about too much beforehand when I knew it was gonna be a musical.
But even just the first movie, when he's either has that relationship with the
lady in his building and like there's certain moments that are just so positive and
like happy, but then like in the world, like the reality of what
the world is like that is just not his world. So then when it
switches, it's just really like, holy fuck, this is intense. And
I think the pairing of the musical, even just that shot of them,
you know, he has his makeup on, they're wearing like big gala outfits,
just like really like fancy attire, and then like a quick cut to
them basically in hospital clothes with an ambulance in the background flames, It's just,
yeah, it's gonna fit really well. And even then is that them
fully out because they know that's a see where she says, oh, let's
get out of here. That also looks very reminiscent of the ending of the
first movie, Like there's flames, there's like a riot going on, and
like this shot too this, like, I can't wait to see is this
fanatics as well running after him or is this like other people that are Joker
Because in the first movie, same thing, you wouldn't remember this. When
he's running away from the cops, he gets hit by a car much like
this guy wearing a mask and that looks like a similar mask of what he
wears. Then he got the Joker behind him. So that's why I kind
of like this idea of she's pulling the Joker out of him and he's like
literally in his mind running away from the Joker, Like, I enjoy this
stuff. It's gonna be fun. I hope that guy's okay. Yeah,
like the Live band, look at the visuals there, whoa you got this
trailer on the high speed there right? Or no you don't. It was
just moving was it normal speed? It is normal speed? Okay that those
scenes were just looking like they're moving super quick. Thet Show. But yeah
they're back on the Maury Show that where he killed an arrow, right,
so yeah, obviously that's gonna none of this is gonna be true. Yeah,
people in the crowd are way too happy. Way that's maybe a little
more concerned, but great laugh. Yeah, and then how do you feel
about that that look there for Harley address? And even then too, this
is stuff where it's like, again, is this real? Is this not
real? I think this is real. I think this is him at his
trial or something. But it's still like you don't know what it's gonna be,
but uh, yeah, this is I think the look looks good for
what this world is. I don't even think it's a bad look. I'm
just saying that this fits what this vibe is and I enjoy it. I
agree it fits the overall aesthetic of just darker and I don't know, like
it's just a really good version of the Harley like classic attire because she even
has like the like the checkered print in there, as well as as the
makeup and but like the greasy slip back hair too. It just it seems
dirtier and grittier than maybe the more like animated style of the character. You
have another individual in the back here with some joker makeup. I agree with
you. I think this is definitely a real shot. Maybe I don't know,
I don't want to say closer to the end, but maybe in the
main meat and potatoes of it, if if we are having like a trial
sequence. I've mentioned this point. They're playing What the World Needs Now is
Love by Burt Backrat who I only learned that back in the day as a
kid from Awesome Powers, Because have you seen awesome powers? Yeah, I've
seen awesome powers. When him and Vanessa are having like dinner on the bus
and he looks at Karen's like ladies and gentlemen, mister Burt back Oh yeah,
what love? I mean so like I've heard the song before, but
that was my first core memory of that song. Someone that says like,
oh man, good choice. I like that. So I see she's putting
on his makeup. Now go back a little bit. I'm not trying to
spoil stuff here, and this is just like a theory. Go back to
when they're kicking on the stairs, because I even want to see while you
went back too far. You know I've seen that already. You forgot that
Dylan trick. Eh, It's uh, it's got time and place now,
it's not that So some people, and this could be a dream sequence,
but some people are speculating if she's pregnant in this scene, or I could
just be the way her dress is flowing right, but the dress is flowing,
particularly around her belly. But then like right there, it doesn't look
like she's pregnant right necessarily, So it's tough it does it? Okay,
Well, there you go. So I've seen three pregnant bellies I don't know.
And then even look at two on the left side, right where her
foot is pregnant. Yeah, right where her foot is. It says free
on all charges. So I'm not sure what that means. I don't think
this is really at the background, like there's nothing there, it's just a
black screen. But yeah, I know, so that's why this could be
him. I think she's pregnant in the scenario. But I think this is
him thinking about like, oh, he would go to court free and all
charges he's Pregnan Harley's pregnant, Like this is the perfect life he's thinking of.
So I think this is she's not gonna be pregnant and this is all
bys. I think he's just thinking about, like what would be the perfect
life being free, being Harley having a kid. No, I totally agree
with you. I think that. I mean it fits just the pattern of
like like a best case scenario for him in his mind is probably not what
actually is gonna happen and the worst Yeah, this would be another one's example.
Let alone the just the void in the background. Yes, and the
other thing too when we didn't have the audio. But the therapist he was
talking to is like, oh, you seem different. He's like, well,
yeah, I'm not alone. I think that's the other thing. They're
gonna make Harley seem very dangerous because the last movie and in this movie,
you're gonna have almost everyone telling him that he's wrong and how the way he
thinks is wrong, and then you're gonna have Harley being that little devil being
like, oh no, you're right, You're right. So I love that
line. He's like, yeah, something has changed. I'm not alone anymore,
because for even his mother that wasn't like a healthy relationship, right,
So it is kind of giving him power, but obviously probably put him in
the wrong direction because there's not a good person and not just Harley too.
Right, Like even just in the first movie, we see the the fanboys
of him, like the people Mimicken wearing the makeup, Like even just throughout
this trailer, we're seeing a lot of people dressed up in the makeup and
I mean right here, the signs of like we heart the Joker. Even
if this is a dream sequence, there's definitely still gonna be characters like that
outside the courtroom, like in real life, like rooting for him. Yeah,
like there would be in real life you know there. Oh yeah absolutely,
yeah, yeah, like you're talking about people. So now that go
back I had whoa, I said, go back, you went forward by
times ten. I want to see what I talk about. Let's trail feel.
It must be it must be the internet, because sometimes it goes really
fast for me, So that's it. It must be the internet. Yeah,
so go yeah, go back to that one in him in the white
suit, because that was all right there and like cool you got Harley in
like a wedding dress or something like that. But yeah, go back like
a couple of inches I had. I've done this Joker before, I've had
hell. I had a Halloween costume plan. But the second I saw this,
especially because I got the long hair and I have Halloween, I was
like, man, that I love when Joker's in a white suit. There's
just that's a very dark night asthetic, not not the movie Dark Knight return
or returns, I whatever. This look is this wedding look. I'll say,
man, he's looking fly here. It works really well with the clown
makeup version one too, so I was good. Great lighting, looks creepy,
just looks like it just it's white. But the suit just pops like
great saturation. Just love everything about this. I think there's gonna be quite
a few of these shots that just go to like pitch black, like as
if it is like just all the focus on the one character or like just
what he's focusing on in that moment. It also is just a great transition
into like a musical number, you know, like if they're in a really
like in the real world, if it's really sad and dark, in a
depressing environment like a prison or something, you can just kind of get taken
out of that. If he just goes to like fade a black and then
the spotlight comes in, they're wearing these fancy garbs, and that's what's curious.
Sometimes she's not on the jail cell, right, so that's what's like,
seems like she's free and he's not, especially at the end, and
that's where he says, oh, yeah, I'm not alone. But yeah,
like look at those shots like just the lighting going on here, great
stuff the hotel ark that's good, and then like they're right there man,
that blue going on. Oh yeah, YoY, I'm excited. He's on
the TV screens popping off. Well, there you go, escaping the asylum
possibly or court room whatever this is or not or not. It looks like
Batman coming to save him or something from The Batman. The same scene the
Riddler when he blows up that judt pretty much it looks like, yeah,
oh yeah, I guess right there with the gun, yeah, the gun
and her doing the blood. I just wonder if she gets some complex where
she feels like she can be a better joker than he could be, a
better like than him, right, because I feel like he's good. There's
gonna be some it's tough because he feels more confident here, so he could
just be like, I'm fine to do this. But I'm just wondering why
they might get get to be an antagonist and I could see him pull back
if you I was gonna say, right behind her, that looks like a
guy with his head blown off, right, looks like a guy face down,
blood on in the back of his head. Oh geez. So I
don't think he makes it. Oh, I did not notice that at all.
I thought it was like a guy's sleeve or something. Yeah, So
that's I'm curious to see what the breaking point in between these series, and
I think it will whether it's him or her. I think it will come
down to somebody not being joker enough, or maybe he doesn't live up to
the legend that she sees, right, because at the end of the day,
Arthur Dove does have his problems that he wasn't always a violent guy.
He kind of snapped, So I wonder they could that. I just feel
like that's what they're gonna do, is they're gonna flip the scenario where she
is more the aggressor, and that could be it where he just wants to
get out and be in love with her, where she wants to get out
and be like, you know, you gotta be the joke or you gotta
like create have It can lead people on everything, right, because all these
visions we see most of the time it's just him with her, So no,
for sure, something like It's interesting too because this seems very much like
the setting of one of the dream sequence type situation where they like they are
wearing different clothes. He's wearing a full suit with the makeup, and there's
just like an audience in the background as well. But like, how does
that kind of like the whole movie can't be you know, like a like
a flashback or like to a dream sequence. There has to be some real
like watch me. Yeah, so yeah, this is actually would be the
exact same moment, right, because that's the dead guy leaning down. She's
wearing the same jacket with the blood. It actually this looks like a courtroom.
Actually, hey, it kind of does. Yeah, like with the
evidence bankers boxes in the back and those look like lawyers, so maybe they're
in like in the courtroom there. And then it just breaks out into song
and dance, and it's a balance of the of the two this shower here
too, him going man and then this one too. Of it's where at
the end where they do the smile and the glass and they focus on arth
or they pull back it's a smile, and then there's just really cool,
really well done. I enjoyed it. It's been memed on a little bit
on the internet because like they have to white do this in the office,
Like, oh, look, it's not that hard. Of a shop.
But it's like I always thought that, but when we've done a movie,
it's like some of the easiest shots you would think, oh, that's probably
easy, they're not. Man. They sometimes canna take the most fucking time.
So it's like, just looks really great. It's inspiring for you know,
a DP director of photography exactly. It's just watch this trailer. It
gave me so many things, like no ideas like oh steal, I'm just
like, man, I want to when we don't have time crunches for these
next ones, really deliver some other nice shots and stuff. So but yeah,
I'm I'm looking forward to this type of movie where I know there'll be
one more trailer but I don't really need and I don't even think the world
needs it that much, but I know they'll give us at least one more.
But I'm excited. You can't wait. Yeah, Oh, I was
gonna say, I got two questions for you, one for me and one
from Summerhnster, which I forgot to give you because we were a little later
on the X Men ones. But uh, let's say you walk into theater.
You've seen trailers for both of them. You walk into the theater tomorrow.
You and only this isn't hands these questions mine. You got Deadpool,
Wolvering, you got a Joker Too? Which where you walking into like a
trailer for each or no the movie you've seen one trailer for them. Now
we got the Dead Woolver we won, and then we got this one.
You go into a theater tomorrow surprised like, oh, you're not seeing Civil
War. You get to see either a joke Er Too or Deadpool Wolverine.
What you're walking into. This might be crazy, but I don't think i've
actually seen the wolver the Deadpool trailer. Were you not in the super Bowl
cast with us? No, I had to miss it for whatever reason.
Oh you've never seen the Dead Wolverine trailers? Yeah, I've avoided this whole
time. That's crazy. So probably wolver the Deadpool, especially now you haven't
seen a trailer, it'd be a great experience. Yeah, it'd probably be
that one, just for entertainment wise, Like I'm expecting to feel terrible when
I leave Joker Too, just how I felt after the first movie. This
is the one that we'll really push them over the edge, guys, look
out. Uh we kinda answer one of these, but she has since the
first was nominated in one oscars. Any early predictions what joker you might be
nominated for him win? I think we talked about the bit that I think
walking as a chance. I think Gaga will for sure be nominated and could
win. All up to see the field, I bet stuff like production and
maybe score, we'll see. I still think, even though they said it's
a jukebox musical, which do you know what that means, Kirkling, a
jukebox musical. Jukebox musical is a musical that's based on other songs, so
it's not original songs. It's like we're gonna sing you know, Halla back
Girl, and they're gonna sing that drover too. Now they're not, they're
not, they're not gonna do Hallo back Girl, but it's gonna be super
dramatic, like someone just gets their head the courtroom, Hey no, and
just walking just like walking downstairs. Yeah, they're like, we're not giving
you that fucking Oscar bro, You fucking you should have never came back for
this. What are you doing? I still think And because even on the
post or her label record is listed, there's no fucking chance she's not doing
an original songs. She did original song for Top Guns. She wasn't even
in that, so I think that it'll win Original Song because Gaga, and
if she doesn't won Best Actress, that's the way to give it to her.
Director in picture, we'll see because there could be stuff. One of
those thoughts at all relocked. You got Dune and Dylaney Denivelneuve, so that's
like a one on one done there and directors. There's only five, so
that would be four more, so we'll see. And then the other one
Hansy, I love you for asking this, but will Joker to be better
than Joker? That's a tough one. That's that's like my sister. You're
like, you're exactly like my sister. He has that same question. I
don't know, because I think it's gonna be different strokes for different folks.
I think that these movies will have a similar vein, but with this being
a two hander with Harley and Joker versus the first one just being about Arthur
Fleck and that one being a bit more of a crime in the self inner
look drama. This, I'm sure we'll have crime and some self reflection,
but this definitely I think is gonna be more an theatrical entertainment one, a
bit more variety. There's gonna be some dark stuff, but I think this
is gonna be a bit more poppy. So I think what it comes down
to, I think maybe it'll blow me away. I better Aussie subjective.
I think I'll probably end up still leaning Joker one because I love just Hey,
you're sitting with a character for two two and a half hours, you
know I love that. I love shame, I love drive, like even
not not really sulpern extent, because there's lots of other ones. I'm trying
to blink them on another American psycho, Like, I love those. So
I'll probably lean that way. But what about you, Kirkling, it's gonna
be better than Joker one? Do you know this? No, it's not
going to be. It's no, I don't. I don't think it's going
to be. I don't think it's gonna hold up to just what that first
experience with like with this version of Joker is. I don't think that can
ever be met because like, like there's not even like a comic book run
of this type of Joker, right, yeah, Like it is very much
its own and then the second one is building upon that with adding new characters
and things in the mix. I think it's still gonna be fantastic, and
I think Gaga is gonna be I think she's probably gonna be like the real
talk of the town after this one. Joaquin, like he's gonna be fantastic.
But I think it's really is gonna be where she shines. But yeah,
I don't think it's gonna quite hold up because I don't know, like
I kinda I'm gonna like set my expectator or not my expectations like my my,
my mood maybe going into this movie, whereas like going to The Joker,
like the first one, like we had seen trailers, it's like there's
gonna be a fucked up movie. But when you're actually in there in certain
scenes unfold, like I felt sick to my stomach and that might happen again.
But I'm at least gonna be somewhat prepared for those moments. But yeah,
I don't I don't think it'll quite meet it. But yeah, curious
numbers wise, at least what it's going to do financially. Probably Yeah,
I'm not gonna say yeah, I'm not gonna say a billion, But I'm
I don't think it's gonna be a flop. I think people are still gonna
come out to see this one. I think it's unique enough and you get
the stars, so it's not gonna be the cat Marvel to the Marvels.
It's not gonna be that drop off. I don't think so. No,
I'll say I'll say at least six hundred million. That's my barama. I've
been saying. Right now, we'll see what we get closer October. Let
me do like, that's a bunch of horror stuff coming out. But that's
the right that's a perfect month for Joker, you know. And I'm excited
to see many couples stressed up as this for Halloween. I am just as
bad. I saw that soon. I look at that. I got the
hair. That's the only reason. Because I got the hair. I was
like, man, I got the hair. I got long hair, so
I may as well try it. But we'll see. I was talking about
maybeing Araic Gorn or bor Mire because we've talked about doing a Lord of the
ringsteam this year. So but the problem is Logan wants to be Araic Gorns.
Is like do we do too? But then I thought, well,
get that big short the shield, get the horn. I could rock that.
Are you gonna get her some stubble or something because Ara Gorings got we'd
have to, Yeah, we'd have to. I think we'd give her.
We'd do the Crown version one, but we gotta wait. But yeah,
we don't know about el Ellie. And then Gwen was gonna be ganned off.
But now I think she's gonna be a Ghostbuster because she likes She likes
Ghostbusters a lot, so I respect that. But I I want to see
the little gandal. I would have too. Yeah, that would have been
great. The gray. She probably likes the grave. I'll ask her that
tomorrow. I'll ask her because she asked me that question. But I don't
think I asked. I wouldn't I asked her back on it. We still
don't truck through the Hobbits. The Hobbits are definitely not as well liked as
Lord of the Rings. We're still like, we still watch them, but
they're not being asked about as much as the Hobbits were when we were watching
those. So let's take our next hop break when we're talking about some other
trailers and news. We'll we were back.