1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:06,360 Hello, ladies and gentleman, and welcome to this six hundred and tenth episode 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,759 of the geek First podcast. My name is Trust Now the Clown Prints a 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:21,320 podcast podcast. I am joined by I'm haha, kirklen Patzer. You're not 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,640 gonna make a haha Land joke? Are you today? What's it gonna happen? 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,559 Haha Land? Okay, good, you know what I'm talking about, 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,519 So I get it. I feel like I've seen it before. We're gonna 7 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:33,479 talk about this is what's gonna happen. So right now we're gonna do a 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,359 newscast. If you're on Patreon, when you get the whole episode. If 9 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:40,119 not, right now, you're just gonna get the Joker Breakdown, because there's 10 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:42,240 gonna be a bad Batter review in the feed, there's gonna be an excellent 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,359 review in the feed, multiple things on the feed, so don't That's why 12 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:48,640 we're gonna spread out a little bit. But if you're on Patreon, you 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,359 get that right away, get episodes ad for you early exclusive, all the 14 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,280 good jazz. But right now, this is just the Joker Trader Breakdown. 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,079 Joker Too is It's not finally here, but at least the trail like it 16 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:03,399 feels like it's here in the sense of like it's close now it's October fourth. 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,200 There at CinemaCon, we got a trail which Kirkle is gonna pull up. 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,680 But yeah, it's a sequel offsly a Joker. I keep call it 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,200 Joker too. I don't know why. I just don't say Joker fully. 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,000 I do may I just think I'm gonna screw it up, but I feel 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,400 like I haven't so far. But yeah, it's a trailer. Obviously to 22 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:19,799 the sport Lady Gaga, they did clarify that it's not a musical, that 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,200 just music has big elements in here. Sequel to the twenty eight twenty nineteen 24 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:29,719 biggest radar film of all time, block billion dollar movie, and yeah it 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,640 is here. Kirkling, what did you think about this trailer setting us up 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,159 for Joker two coming this fall? Uh? Yeah, I this was like 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,879 a much anticipated one, just to get the first glimpse as to yeah, 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,719 like like what this is gonna be. I assume it's gonna be, you 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,120 know, along the lines of what the first movie was very depressing, really 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:59,239 really sad, and it makes you question your own kind of uh morals. 31 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:05,159 Is kind of a wrong way to put it, but just what's a better 32 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,319 word for that? It makes you question other people that they worried about that 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,800 first movie when all those fucking losers, like you know, Joker's gonna make 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,400 people start going crazy and shoot people. Kirkland was like Homelander and the boys 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,199 like watch the screen like this is me is my story one more bad day 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,719 and I'm gonna fucking kill geek first. There's gonna be a live stream and 37 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:25,759 I'm just gonna pull out a belt just spank them to I happen. That's 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,439 why I didn't want to use that word. But like it makes you just, 39 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:32,639 I guess, think about society in a in a different way. Give 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:38,439 out questioning your morals. No, but yeah, I know I I don't 41 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:43,680 think I've revisited that first movie since I've seen it in uh in theaters we're 42 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:46,599 speaking of we're gonna because we don't retro movies that are they have to be 43 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,000 five years older. Joker will be five years by time, and plus you 44 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:53,520 and Taylor were not on the original review, so it's kind of a prime 45 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,919 retro. So we are gonna do that. That's why. Yeah, yeah, 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,039 good way to end up on the watch list. Yeah, I gotta 47 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:05,280 be careful. This is gonna get a shrike Kirkles. We're gonna have to 48 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,400 make up some statement about how Kirkland is no longer a filly with geek first 49 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:12,960 and stuff. And then yeah, they're gonna go back and scrub through all 50 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,240 those videos and just see like like images of kirk like staring off into the 51 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,280 distance or like looking crazy or something. It all makes sense. They're gonna 52 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,360 find my clones. It's it's all gonna it's all gonna go first full time. 53 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,120 Yeah, the clones. But no, I I have not revisited the 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,879 first Joker movie since seen it. It's it's not one that I I seek 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,919 out for to just have something on to to enjoy because it's it's so well 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,240 made, so you can't we watched this one more time. He's getting triggered. 57 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:43,360 It'll totally turn me. I got the makeup right, like ready while 58 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,479 I'm watching it, for a shade is waking up to that? You know 59 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,599 that naked meme too. He shows the guy stand the door lights. You 60 00:03:50,599 --> 00:04:00,479 would like to joke, how do you like this look? Ever? Getting 61 00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:04,560 into the trailer, it is it is a very well made movie, but 62 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:08,159 is not a feel good movie, and it is not one that I would, 63 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,240 you know, just just seek out late at night or whatever to throw 64 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,720 on excited to rewatch it with. I can't believe it's been five years actually 65 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:18,600 since it's come out. That that's that's insane you saying that right now. 66 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,439 But yeah, I know, I'm very much looking forward to this. I'm 67 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:28,079 loving the idea of having Gaga in there, just because she's a super powerhouse 68 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,600 and the few things I have seen her in. But to see the trailer 69 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:34,560 finally, especially just the build up knowing that it's going to be a musical 70 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,120 and just how much different that could feel. I still think that this teaser 71 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,399 trailer it very much felt like what the first movie was. There's not like 72 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:48,720 actual singing and dancing. There's not haha Land. I can understand certain like 73 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:55,680 shots feeling similar to just a La Land kind of set up, mostly because 74 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,120 there's two people dancing and if you know there's gonna be you know, a 75 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:06,279 musical element too it I can get the compared. Yeah, that's I I'm 76 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:10,279 agreeance with you. I feel like that joke could get old very very fast. 77 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:14,439 But no, I think this was a good teaser trailer. It got 78 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:19,279 me excited and like it didn't didn't show like too much reveal wise, like 79 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,839 I don't feel super spoilered like I maybe did in you know another movie or 80 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,959 trailer that we'll be talking about later if we get to it, but we'll 81 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:34,279 be speaking about per se. Yeah another ha haa one perhaps, but uh, 82 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,079 guys wrong, Maybe they misread the trailer you're talking about. That is 83 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,839 the one actually, Okay where the part come from. There's a character laughing 84 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,199 in it, but you know McAvoy crazy. Okay, Yeah, we'll get 85 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:51,079 Yeah, we'll get there. I'll say too many words. You tell me 86 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,240 what you thought about. This happens in these two man casts, you know, 87 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Yeah, Dylan and Taylor both sick, so it means one of us 88 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:05,399 are next, hopefully not. But what could we be that's want to lead 89 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:09,680 that dead air there for a second, very ominous? Uh yeah, No, 90 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,480 I'm I was incorrect when I said many years ago that Man Joker two's 91 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,000 gonna come out, and especially when billion dollars like Man, we're gonna get 92 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,279 so many more experimental comic movies, and lo and behold, the next experimental 93 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:25,560 comic movie we caught was Joker two five years later. That's like I thought, 94 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,480 for sure, that's why I wanted the movies so well. I'm like, 95 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,839 oh, man, Serio is gonna perk up there, like look at 96 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:31,600 what they did, and you couldn't even say that Batman's like close to it. 97 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,480 But still it's like still like a Batman movie, right, I think 98 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:41,000 it is. I won't say like an indie, but it's more less mainstream. 99 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,399 It's probably the I'm confidence saying it's the least mainstream Batman movie. Would 100 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:47,199 you agree with that out of the ones we've gone before, like The Batman. 101 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,879 I'm not saying it's not mainstream, but out of all of them, 102 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,120 I think the slow pace, the Detective miss No for sure, too much 103 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,920 action scenes like veering on rated ar Like it's very much the least general audience 104 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:02,079 Batman movie ever done. Yeah, like that's the closest. But like Logan 105 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,720 came before, and I could kind of say Spider Verse, but it's tough 106 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,800 because I'm not gonna throw animation, because animation you do tons of great stuff. 107 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,199 Very different. I was looking at the live action crew and much like 108 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:15,800 I get that there's lots of people don't like this movie. Whether it's the 109 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:18,439 edge words stuff, whether it's I don't want to see Joker alone, whether 110 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,160 it's all this isn't how they meet up, which I really don't care about. 111 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:25,560 That's why I'm gonna get to my point where uh or they just don't 112 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,439 feel it needs a sequel yet to do. For me, I love DC, 113 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:31,439 I love Marvel, but we've gone so much of it where I'm not 114 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,720 gonna say I don't want a general superhero venture like the Marvels or Blue Beetle 115 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,680 or et cetera, right, But for me, it's just that I will 116 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,480 take a joker and a joker to any day of the week over especially with 117 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:46,399 MCU and DC had been putting out lately, not kind of the bat and 118 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:49,839 I'm talking about like the last like Shazam and all coman, like we have 119 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,439 fun, We had a good time with those, Like I'm not saying they 120 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:58,199 can't all exist, but for me, like just the visuals in this alone, 121 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:03,920 it's like if Awkham or Blue Beetle or the Marvels or ant Man suck, 122 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,279 it's kind of like, well they suck, and there's not much there 123 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,160 this movie could suck character why story wise, but even least it's like, 124 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,560 wow, these visuals are really great, right, where a lot of the 125 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,079 other comic movies right now you don't have that. It has to be like, 126 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:20,120 those things have to be good because the actual just movie making stuff is 127 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:24,079 never supremely well made, right because they're pump they're pumping them out, or 128 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,879 they're spending budgets on the actors, which they are in this movie. This 129 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,839 movie is like a two hundred million dollar movie. It's more bigger than the 130 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:33,399 first one. So we'll see how that fares. But I just think this 131 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,639 is gonna be a hit because speaking of my sister, she rarely text me 132 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,120 about this stuff. She texts me, which I don't know why she thinks. 133 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:41,840 I guess for sure. She's like, is Joker two gonna be good? 134 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,759 I'm like, well, the trailer look good, so hope. I 135 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:46,440 would hope and been like, I can't tell you that. Like she trusts 136 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,679 you with those opinions, you know, she must. That's a good thing. 137 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,159 I'll take that as a good thing. After our movie came out and 138 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,159 they trust us a little bit more. But that's why because whether lots of 139 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:00,679 people saw obviously Joker, but lots of people if they didn't. Gaga is 140 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,639 like a spike in the ass like that will get people like, man, 141 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:11,200 I'm really interested. That's what it's like with cast things. I'm kind of 142 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,440 like alluding to like a steroid like a like and then that'll get you going. 143 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,759 But not that I've done them or anything like that, because and that's 144 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:22,039 even side joke. Once I I'm not gonna say anything about wrestlers or volleybullains, 145 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:24,440 but once I found out like that thing could like make your balls and 146 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,759 peel smaller, absolutely not. I am very happy with my above average. 147 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,759 Yes I have measured, I'm above the average, but even then, like 148 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,360 I don't want that to shrink at all, like that no end, Oh 149 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:39,000 dude's back me is just disgusting. It's not worth the muscles. Whatever it 150 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:43,159 is, I don't care. So any spike my ass has just been sugar 151 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:46,840 or juices or a person who knows. But I will say that this movie, 152 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,320 like I said, everything could be dog shit, but one I don't 153 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,440 think the acting's gonna be dog shit, Like we know they're gonna bring it, 154 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,240 like walking when an Oscar last go around. I think Gaga could very 155 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:58,840 much win an Oscar for this. I think she's gunning for it here, 156 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 and I for some reason, like it looks like a twohander, But I 157 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,679 feel like there's gonna be certain moments where Gaga is taken over this film, 158 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,039 and I think she might end up being the antagonist. I don't know. 159 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,759 I don't know if it's sort of a like a like, oh, so 160 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,279 they're both gonna be talkxic, but it just looks like there's a certain things 161 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:18,399 we'll talk about where it's like, Okay, this looks a bit confrontational. 162 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,080 Uh, and just again visually there's multiple shots will pause in this trailer, 163 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,440 but this thing is just like so much craft we made. Oh that's the 164 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,679 other knock right, It's like, oh, because it's like, uh, 165 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,639 Joker was like a play on Robert den Arrow and Scort says these taxi, 166 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,720 So it's like all this movie copies a lot of them, et cetera, 167 00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:35,759 et cetera. It's like, okay, sure there are those elements, but 168 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,600 for me in the comic movies, when we've gone so much just kind of 169 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,399 general, yeah, it's fine. And then like I don't know when I'm 170 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:48,720 ever gonna watch The Marbles Blue Beetle Auckaman to Shazam to Man, like I 171 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,399 don't know when I'm gonna rewatch those, Like I'm just gonna say if ever, 172 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,480 because I will watch them at some point, especially not to be like 173 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,120 uh negative, but like if an actor passes, that's where like, oh, 174 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:01,720 I'm gonna go back and I'll like feel good and watch these right But 175 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,080 like with with Joke or I've watched that many times because I guess I'm a 176 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,159 sick o and I'm just waiting. You know, I'm already past Kirklan's like 177 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,000 trying to mess his morals up. My morals were already fucked. I lost 178 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,399 him a long time ago, so I can just watch like a home But 179 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,200 like I like dark, like I love horror movies, so I like the 180 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:22,320 depressing stuff. But I'm just the filmmaking on this. I'll take this any 181 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,120 day over the week over anything most of the time that's been coming out as 182 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:31,679 of late. So on the the Oscar topic, do you think I was 183 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,480 just thinking about this earlier today? But like you think if Joaquin does like 184 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:41,080 an even better performance than what he did in the first movie, like, 185 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,279 do you, I still feel like it would be a less chance that he 186 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,960 gets an Oscar for for portraying the same character in the same role, even 187 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,240 if it is like that much better. I just feel I don't know. 188 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,039 I'm not a big fan of award shows in general, so maybe that's where 189 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:56,919 some of my text me the whole time. He's like, why are you 190 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,799 watching this trash? Stop trav get off that trash. Yeah? Oh look 191 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:05,879 like plus fifty krows. I bet you liked that win or huh you loser 192 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:15,480 on award shows. What I'm doing fucking play by play. Yeah, I 193 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,720 think there's a good chance for him to get nominated, but the wind no, 194 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,600 I think a norm is easy because it's like, well, let's give 195 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,240 him that. I think Gaga and this is me saying this in what is 196 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:28,759 it May April when we have seen all the other movies, But I think 197 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:31,279 as if it's the same quality of the last time. I think anom is 198 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:35,440 locked. I don't know about Best Picture because that's a little bit different. 199 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,320 That was more surprising when the movie got nominated for Best Picture and he got 200 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,320 nominated for Best Director, because the second go around, it's the two things 201 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:43,799 right where it is like, oh, well you've done this and this is 202 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:48,440 just a oh and more, you know, it's like okay, or it 203 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,000 could be the surprise where if people have that feeling like oh, it's gonna 204 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:54,799 be more of the same, and that's why I love this trailer. Looks 205 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:58,039 like it has some action, but in most comic movies, the big set 206 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,720 pieces in the trailer are like the action scenes, right, explosion, a 207 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,200 big fight. It has some of those, but it looks like the biggest 208 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,759 set pieces in this are the musical elements, and Oscars do love musicals, 209 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:11,759 So I think there's a chance where people might think of it and go, 210 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,879 oh, yeah, whatever, like we've seen Joker, like we don't need 211 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,879 to see this again. Maybe will nominate. Phoenix is always good, but 212 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,120 it could have people being like writing it off like whatever, we've seen this 213 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,279 before, right, and then when you see it go wow, holy shit, 214 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,639 kind of like a Batman Begins jump to the Dark Knight. Not that 215 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,000 those can nominate, right, but like, I feel like The Dark Knight 216 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,480 is such a different movie than the Batman begins. You're like, geez, 217 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,720 Louise, So there's a chance, but I'll agree with you that I don't 218 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:37,639 think you went. But also could just be a weak year, right, 219 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:39,879 We've had that where we do Golden Geeks and we're like, oh, we 220 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:41,759 only got like six people for this category, you know, like who else 221 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,679 do we want? So it could have been a shit year for actors, 222 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,000 you know. I just I mean again, like I don't pay attention to 223 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:54,960 these awards shows, but like, has anyone ever won an Oscar for reprising 224 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,960 the role of like if they had won the first time, like that's probably 225 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:00,879 never been up or never happened one, oh, because I know people that 226 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:03,919 have been nominated, Like I think, but she got nominated for both Godfathers, 227 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:05,600 but he didn't win framing the Godfathers. He won for U Sent to 228 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:09,639 the Woman. So even this, like he would be making history to even 229 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,879 win an Oscar that nominated for the same role. So even that history's made. 230 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,320 If he can pull that off, if he wins same thing, history 231 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,919 made, So he can make a lot of history. And I feel like 232 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,720 he could because he Just what I love about this trailer, which you'll get 233 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,240 into it, is I love already it feels like a different Arthur Fleck, 234 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,000 Like there's there's shades of the old one, but he just feels like even 235 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:35,279 a bit more confident the role and even just the way Phoenix portraying him. 236 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:37,639 He's portrayed this character once, it's like feels like he kind of knows what 237 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:39,679 he's doing. Not that he didn't know the first time, but I just 238 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,679 mean like when people do sequels, they kind of already have that gauge, 239 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,360 right of like they know what they're doing so well, that first one is 240 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,639 very much like an origin, you know, for him becoming the Joker and 241 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:54,080 like actually donating the air quote mass which is just his makeup. But yeah, 242 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:58,120 yeah, no, I agree with you there. I'm gonna bring up 243 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,080 the trailer. Yeah, we'll take our first break and then we'll bring up 244 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,080 the trailer and we're back. I know he brought the trailer, but you 245 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:09,279 know spoiler. Yeah, nice little lens flair here like that with the great 246 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:16,279 audio. No, that's okay. You can tell me when the uh the 247 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,639 uh the music choice gets in, because I really loved the music choice. 248 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,759 But yeah, and that's the other thing too, when he said what the 249 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,679 spoils much like Joker one, whether people like it or not, we don't 250 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,799 know what's gonna be real and what's not gonna be real in this movie, 251 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,279 right, I think there's a good we'll not get shot every I think all 252 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,600 musical sequences are obviously not real. There's a chance on people to put the 253 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,440 theory out that even Harley isn't even real the whole time. I could just 254 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,399 be a figure of this imagination, you know, which I'm fine with. 255 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,240 I'm not always a fan of like it was a dream or dreams, see 256 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:48,039 like dream like cop outs. But with the Joker and this version of Joker, 257 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:52,360 I'm fine because he kind of There's been versions of that where he does 258 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,120 have multiple personalities or multiple realities, so I'm fine with them. I feel 259 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,879 like that's such like a meme in like storytelling. It's just like and then 260 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,360 he woke up like like you know, like like at the end of the 261 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:07,639 the story or whatnot. I somewhat like the idea of like a character that 262 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,200 we're interacting with a lot being not a real character like in reality. But 263 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,679 that's just like if we're following the story through our protagonist's point of view, 264 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,960 like they perceive them as an actual character. I do like stories that do 265 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:23,159 that. For this one, I don't know how i'd feel about it, 266 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:29,159 just the fact that it is Harley Quinn, like it is a established character 267 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,320 just in the like the world of Batman. I definitely want her to be 268 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,799 real, and I don't know I from this trailer, I definitely got certain 269 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,519 notes of what you were mentioning earlier, of them possibly having some sort of 270 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,000 clash or I don't know, the theory of her potentially being like a threat. 271 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,720 I do like that idea actually, just for what the story is, 272 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:52,879 but I also don't want it to make it, you know, like Arthur 273 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,200 being the hero of a sudden because he still is a very you know, 274 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:02,600 he is a criminal. I don't want it to be him switching for the 275 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:04,440 sake of having a new villain in there or whatnot. But I think you 276 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,680 would only switch away, like not to save Gotham, but just like to 277 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,599 win against her, Like that would be the way, right, Like, 278 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,440 I don't maybe that sort of route, But and yeah, they're doing some 279 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:15,359 change up. I know some people are like, oh, you know, 280 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,039 she's not the therapist and stuff, but again I'm I'm fine, Like it's 281 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:22,720 an adaption. There's many versions of it. Sure, I'd love to do 282 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:25,240 that, but guess what, Susaid's God had that chance and they fucked it 283 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:26,400 up. So here we are, and I guarantee you this is gonna be 284 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,240 much but like, to me, the point of Joker and Harley is they're 285 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:32,359 falling in love right now. It's gonna be different too, because I don't 286 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,480 know if I don't think we're getting that. I almost got the dynamic. 287 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:38,599 We'll wait to get some shots, which the shot you pause it really like 288 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,720 the umbrellas, which is funny because if you look at the umbrellas in the 289 00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:45,480 scene, they're not really colorful. But then I didn't notice that in the 290 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:49,240 first union of the trailer actually where yeah the umbrellas are. They're just black. 291 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:52,680 And that's what makes me think it's like switching to that dream like sequence 292 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,720 thing where you're seeing it more in like a higher life, as if he's 293 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,079 taking drugs or something, you know, like everything's uplift, And I like 294 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,200 the idea the whole movie might be kind of a ride like that, right 295 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:07,319 So, but yeah, I don't know if they're doing that dynamic where he's 296 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,000 a piece of shit to her and she still loves them for it. I 297 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,640 almost think they might be doing the reverse from some of the feelings I got 298 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,000 that they fall in love and she's the demanding one and he's the one that's 299 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,720 kind of at be because what I got from this trailer is I feel like 300 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:25,680 they're trying to nurse him back to health, and she's the one kind of 301 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,000 pushing them to be like the Joker again, you know, like, oh, 302 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:30,839 show me a real face, where I think they're trying to be like, 303 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,039 oh, it could be you know, you can be Arthur Flack again, 304 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,240 you can have a normal life. I feel like she's the one pull 305 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,960 and the joke er out of them. So I like that idea as well, 306 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:44,119 because it's I mean, it's different than what the normal dynamic between Harley 307 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,519 and Joker is, especially like her just trying to always be the number one, 308 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,559 you know, like in his eyes, but him just kind of pushing 309 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,599 her to the side. So I would like that switch up, and even 310 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,799 just the switch up of her not being his therapist anymore. I do like 311 00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:04,519 that dynamic well, because this is also just a very different world than our 312 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:11,319 normal Batman world is. But it's just I think for the story it does. 313 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,519 But that's the other thing too, If it was a whole sec was 314 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:17,519 this movie that could fit too. Where she cuts this movie ends with him 315 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:19,960 sit on a couch talking to the therapist that it's Harley and he's just imagined 316 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,960 the whole thing, right. I don't know if I want that, because 317 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,640 I like Joker One where I like it. It's like there's aspect of it 318 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,720 where it's like what's real, what's not? But yeah, they could just 319 00:19:29,079 --> 00:19:34,599 go the full Monty it seems to hercrase. Of course, I'm curious. 320 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,279 I'm guessing this is probably just gonna be flashbacks to her before she got in 321 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:44,519 there, and I'm wondering how she gone there and the timeline of the stairs, 322 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,599 because clearly she's like a fanatic of him. So is this her visiting 323 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,079 the stairs after that is just a coincidence? I don't know, But yeah, 324 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,559 back to back, we get her kind of recreating shots of the movies, 325 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:00,359 right because she does that, and who's not gonna fall for lady aga 326 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,240 come on that, Like, look at this shot right here. Man, 327 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:06,839 this is a shot where he is in the dark, the spotlight goes on 328 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,119 him. You just see him. He's has a cigarette. It is just 329 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,359 be that's right there. It's like, man, it's what the movies are. 330 00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:17,359 It's what the movies are for, you know, so great stuff. 331 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,440 And look at the color of the windows and amazing a like like this feels 332 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,559 I hate to make the comparison, but like a Lalla Land type scenario, 333 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,079 especially for him. All this is a scene that people share as Highland most 334 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:33,720 it's the one who come out with the hotel Arkham or whatever it is, 335 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:36,759 but it is. But I like that and I'm so excited, Like it 336 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:42,559 looks very old school musicals and everything, and yeah, I'm curious to see 337 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:47,000 because we've heard like a jukebox music and like, look that cut right there. 338 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:48,759 That's why I go back a second. That's why I can't wait for 339 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,640 It's them dancing and like the La la Land musical scenario, and then when 340 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,680 they turn they flip it in them real world dancing all this crime stuff. 341 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,880 That's why I'm completely fine, not fine, like I'm like, i am 342 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,640 fine, like now the music stuffs real, Like I'm fine with that being 343 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,000 like an allegory to like half the characters are growing through, you know, 344 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:11,559 like I'm all down for that. That's fun experimental. I like that part 345 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:15,559 and that almost like makes me, as someone that doesn't like musicals, U 346 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,720 uh, enjoy that more because it's right, it's not them singing in the 347 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:21,720 real world. It's like, oh, well, they're hallucinating this, you 348 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:23,960 know, one hundred percent, and like that's something I feel like I didn't 349 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,400 think about too much beforehand when I knew it was gonna be a musical. 350 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,039 But even just the first movie, when he's either has that relationship with the 351 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,440 lady in his building and like there's certain moments that are just so positive and 352 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,519 like happy, but then like in the world, like the reality of what 353 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:42,920 the world is like that is just not his world. So then when it 354 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:47,359 switches, it's just really like, holy fuck, this is intense. And 355 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:51,920 I think the pairing of the musical, even just that shot of them, 356 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,920 you know, he has his makeup on, they're wearing like big gala outfits, 357 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,200 just like really like fancy attire, and then like a quick cut to 358 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,440 them basically in hospital clothes with an ambulance in the background flames, It's just, 359 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,799 yeah, it's gonna fit really well. And even then is that them 360 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:08,799 fully out because they know that's a see where she says, oh, let's 361 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,480 get out of here. That also looks very reminiscent of the ending of the 362 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,480 first movie, Like there's flames, there's like a riot going on, and 363 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,119 like this shot too this, like, I can't wait to see is this 364 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,440 fanatics as well running after him or is this like other people that are Joker 365 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,559 Because in the first movie, same thing, you wouldn't remember this. When 366 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:30,000 he's running away from the cops, he gets hit by a car much like 367 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,240 this guy wearing a mask and that looks like a similar mask of what he 368 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,960 wears. Then he got the Joker behind him. So that's why I kind 369 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,000 of like this idea of she's pulling the Joker out of him and he's like 370 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,240 literally in his mind running away from the Joker, Like, I enjoy this 371 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:48,680 stuff. It's gonna be fun. I hope that guy's okay. Yeah, 372 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:52,799 like the Live band, look at the visuals there, whoa you got this 373 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,599 trailer on the high speed there right? Or no you don't. It was 374 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,119 just moving was it normal speed? It is normal speed? Okay that those 375 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,880 scenes were just looking like they're moving super quick. Thet Show. But yeah 376 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,599 they're back on the Maury Show that where he killed an arrow, right, 377 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,960 so yeah, obviously that's gonna none of this is gonna be true. Yeah, 378 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:17,960 people in the crowd are way too happy. Way that's maybe a little 379 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:26,039 more concerned, but great laugh. Yeah, and then how do you feel 380 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:30,359 about that that look there for Harley address? And even then too, this 381 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,799 is stuff where it's like, again, is this real? Is this not 382 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,039 real? I think this is real. I think this is him at his 383 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,400 trial or something. But it's still like you don't know what it's gonna be, 384 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,200 but uh, yeah, this is I think the look looks good for 385 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,640 what this world is. I don't even think it's a bad look. I'm 386 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,599 just saying that this fits what this vibe is and I enjoy it. I 387 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,519 agree it fits the overall aesthetic of just darker and I don't know, like 388 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,119 it's just a really good version of the Harley like classic attire because she even 389 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,480 has like the like the checkered print in there, as well as as the 390 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,319 makeup and but like the greasy slip back hair too. It just it seems 391 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:18,160 dirtier and grittier than maybe the more like animated style of the character. You 392 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,920 have another individual in the back here with some joker makeup. I agree with 393 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,160 you. I think this is definitely a real shot. Maybe I don't know, 394 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,680 I don't want to say closer to the end, but maybe in the 395 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,920 main meat and potatoes of it, if if we are having like a trial 396 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,839 sequence. I've mentioned this point. They're playing What the World Needs Now is 397 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,559 Love by Burt Backrat who I only learned that back in the day as a 398 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,160 kid from Awesome Powers, Because have you seen awesome powers? Yeah, I've 399 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,680 seen awesome powers. When him and Vanessa are having like dinner on the bus 400 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,880 and he looks at Karen's like ladies and gentlemen, mister Burt back Oh yeah, 401 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,160 what love? I mean so like I've heard the song before, but 402 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,720 that was my first core memory of that song. Someone that says like, 403 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:04,200 oh man, good choice. I like that. So I see she's putting 404 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,799 on his makeup. Now go back a little bit. I'm not trying to 405 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:11,480 spoil stuff here, and this is just like a theory. Go back to 406 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,640 when they're kicking on the stairs, because I even want to see while you 407 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,440 went back too far. You know I've seen that already. You forgot that 408 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:22,279 Dylan trick. Eh, It's uh, it's got time and place now, 409 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,359 it's not that So some people, and this could be a dream sequence, 410 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,400 but some people are speculating if she's pregnant in this scene, or I could 411 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,359 just be the way her dress is flowing right, but the dress is flowing, 412 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:38,920 particularly around her belly. But then like right there, it doesn't look 413 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,680 like she's pregnant right necessarily, So it's tough it does it? Okay, 414 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,920 Well, there you go. So I've seen three pregnant bellies I don't know. 415 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,519 And then even look at two on the left side, right where her 416 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,039 foot is pregnant. Yeah, right where her foot is. It says free 417 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,200 on all charges. So I'm not sure what that means. I don't think 418 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,720 this is really at the background, like there's nothing there, it's just a 419 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:04,359 black screen. But yeah, I know, so that's why this could be 420 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,920 him. I think she's pregnant in the scenario. But I think this is 421 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,920 him thinking about like, oh, he would go to court free and all 422 00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,880 charges he's Pregnan Harley's pregnant, Like this is the perfect life he's thinking of. 423 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:21,720 So I think this is she's not gonna be pregnant and this is all 424 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:22,920 bys. I think he's just thinking about, like what would be the perfect 425 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,960 life being free, being Harley having a kid. No, I totally agree 426 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,319 with you. I think that. I mean it fits just the pattern of 427 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,920 like like a best case scenario for him in his mind is probably not what 428 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:41,240 actually is gonna happen and the worst Yeah, this would be another one's example. 429 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:45,240 Let alone the just the void in the background. Yes, and the 430 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,519 other thing too when we didn't have the audio. But the therapist he was 431 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,759 talking to is like, oh, you seem different. He's like, well, 432 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:52,799 yeah, I'm not alone. I think that's the other thing. They're 433 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,559 gonna make Harley seem very dangerous because the last movie and in this movie, 434 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,160 you're gonna have almost everyone telling him that he's wrong and how the way he 435 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,599 thinks is wrong, and then you're gonna have Harley being that little devil being 436 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,599 like, oh no, you're right, You're right. So I love that 437 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,119 line. He's like, yeah, something has changed. I'm not alone anymore, 438 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,920 because for even his mother that wasn't like a healthy relationship, right, 439 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,599 So it is kind of giving him power, but obviously probably put him in 440 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:21,039 the wrong direction because there's not a good person and not just Harley too. 441 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,000 Right, Like even just in the first movie, we see the the fanboys 442 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,279 of him, like the people Mimicken wearing the makeup, Like even just throughout 443 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,440 this trailer, we're seeing a lot of people dressed up in the makeup and 444 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720 I mean right here, the signs of like we heart the Joker. Even 445 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,839 if this is a dream sequence, there's definitely still gonna be characters like that 446 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,680 outside the courtroom, like in real life, like rooting for him. Yeah, 447 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,720 like there would be in real life you know there. Oh yeah absolutely, 448 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:51,559 yeah, yeah, like you're talking about people. So now that go 449 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,960 back I had whoa, I said, go back, you went forward by 450 00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:00,519 times ten. I want to see what I talk about. Let's trail feel. 451 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,000 It must be it must be the internet, because sometimes it goes really 452 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,839 fast for me, So that's it. It must be the internet. Yeah, 453 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,279 so go yeah, go back to that one in him in the white 454 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,759 suit, because that was all right there and like cool you got Harley in 455 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,440 like a wedding dress or something like that. But yeah, go back like 456 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:21,799 a couple of inches I had. I've done this Joker before, I've had 457 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,759 hell. I had a Halloween costume plan. But the second I saw this, 458 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,079 especially because I got the long hair and I have Halloween, I was 459 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,720 like, man, that I love when Joker's in a white suit. There's 460 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,960 just that's a very dark night asthetic, not not the movie Dark Knight return 461 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,559 or returns, I whatever. This look is this wedding look. I'll say, 462 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,559 man, he's looking fly here. It works really well with the clown 463 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:47,880 makeup version one too, so I was good. Great lighting, looks creepy, 464 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,279 just looks like it just it's white. But the suit just pops like 465 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,559 great saturation. Just love everything about this. I think there's gonna be quite 466 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,880 a few of these shots that just go to like pitch black, like as 467 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,319 if it is like just all the focus on the one character or like just 468 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,599 what he's focusing on in that moment. It also is just a great transition 469 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,400 into like a musical number, you know, like if they're in a really 470 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,680 like in the real world, if it's really sad and dark, in a 471 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,759 depressing environment like a prison or something, you can just kind of get taken 472 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,039 out of that. If he just goes to like fade a black and then 473 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:30,440 the spotlight comes in, they're wearing these fancy garbs, and that's what's curious. 474 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,119 Sometimes she's not on the jail cell, right, so that's what's like, 475 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,920 seems like she's free and he's not, especially at the end, and 476 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,680 that's where he says, oh, yeah, I'm not alone. But yeah, 477 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,359 like look at those shots like just the lighting going on here, great 478 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,279 stuff the hotel ark that's good, and then like they're right there man, 479 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:52,160 that blue going on. Oh yeah, YoY, I'm excited. He's on 480 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,240 the TV screens popping off. Well, there you go, escaping the asylum 481 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:04,160 possibly or court room whatever this is or not or not. It looks like 482 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,000 Batman coming to save him or something from The Batman. The same scene the 483 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:12,440 Riddler when he blows up that judt pretty much it looks like, yeah, 484 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,160 oh yeah, I guess right there with the gun, yeah, the gun 485 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,559 and her doing the blood. I just wonder if she gets some complex where 486 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,200 she feels like she can be a better joker than he could be, a 487 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,240 better like than him, right, because I feel like he's good. There's 488 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,200 gonna be some it's tough because he feels more confident here, so he could 489 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,319 just be like, I'm fine to do this. But I'm just wondering why 490 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:40,480 they might get get to be an antagonist and I could see him pull back 491 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,119 if you I was gonna say, right behind her, that looks like a 492 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:45,279 guy with his head blown off, right, looks like a guy face down, 493 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,279 blood on in the back of his head. Oh geez. So I 494 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,720 don't think he makes it. Oh, I did not notice that at all. 495 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,559 I thought it was like a guy's sleeve or something. Yeah, So 496 00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,359 that's I'm curious to see what the breaking point in between these series, and 497 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,400 I think it will whether it's him or her. I think it will come 498 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,359 down to somebody not being joker enough, or maybe he doesn't live up to 499 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,960 the legend that she sees, right, because at the end of the day, 500 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,559 Arthur Dove does have his problems that he wasn't always a violent guy. 501 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,640 He kind of snapped, So I wonder they could that. I just feel 502 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,920 like that's what they're gonna do, is they're gonna flip the scenario where she 503 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,839 is more the aggressor, and that could be it where he just wants to 504 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,880 get out and be in love with her, where she wants to get out 505 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,440 and be like, you know, you gotta be the joke or you gotta 506 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,759 like create have It can lead people on everything, right, because all these 507 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,000 visions we see most of the time it's just him with her, So no, 508 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:40,160 for sure, something like It's interesting too because this seems very much like 509 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:44,759 the setting of one of the dream sequence type situation where they like they are 510 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:48,119 wearing different clothes. He's wearing a full suit with the makeup, and there's 511 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,440 just like an audience in the background as well. But like, how does 512 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,000 that kind of like the whole movie can't be you know, like a like 513 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,960 a flashback or like to a dream sequence. There has to be some real 514 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:10,440 like watch me. Yeah, so yeah, this is actually would be the 515 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,839 exact same moment, right, because that's the dead guy leaning down. She's 516 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:21,319 wearing the same jacket with the blood. It actually this looks like a courtroom. 517 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,480 Actually, hey, it kind of does. Yeah, like with the 518 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:29,880 evidence bankers boxes in the back and those look like lawyers, so maybe they're 519 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,119 in like in the courtroom there. And then it just breaks out into song 520 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:38,359 and dance, and it's a balance of the of the two this shower here 521 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,839 too, him going man and then this one too. Of it's where at 522 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,240 the end where they do the smile and the glass and they focus on arth 523 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:51,200 or they pull back it's a smile, and then there's just really cool, 524 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,359 really well done. I enjoyed it. It's been memed on a little bit 525 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,640 on the internet because like they have to white do this in the office, 526 00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,400 Like, oh, look, it's not that hard. Of a shop. 527 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,839 But it's like I always thought that, but when we've done a movie, 528 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,839 it's like some of the easiest shots you would think, oh, that's probably 529 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,480 easy, they're not. Man. They sometimes canna take the most fucking time. 530 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,599 So it's like, just looks really great. It's inspiring for you know, 531 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,440 a DP director of photography exactly. It's just watch this trailer. It 532 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,039 gave me so many things, like no ideas like oh steal, I'm just 533 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,480 like, man, I want to when we don't have time crunches for these 534 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:28,759 next ones, really deliver some other nice shots and stuff. So but yeah, 535 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,759 I'm I'm looking forward to this type of movie where I know there'll be 536 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,640 one more trailer but I don't really need and I don't even think the world 537 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,880 needs it that much, but I know they'll give us at least one more. 538 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,119 But I'm excited. You can't wait. Yeah, Oh, I was 539 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,160 gonna say, I got two questions for you, one for me and one 540 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,599 from Summerhnster, which I forgot to give you because we were a little later 541 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,839 on the X Men ones. But uh, let's say you walk into theater. 542 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,480 You've seen trailers for both of them. You walk into the theater tomorrow. 543 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,079 You and only this isn't hands these questions mine. You got Deadpool, 544 00:33:55,119 --> 00:34:00,480 Wolvering, you got a Joker Too? Which where you walking into like a 545 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,000 trailer for each or no the movie you've seen one trailer for them. Now 546 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,000 we got the Dead Woolver we won, and then we got this one. 547 00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:10,400 You go into a theater tomorrow surprised like, oh, you're not seeing Civil 548 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,000 War. You get to see either a joke Er Too or Deadpool Wolverine. 549 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,719 What you're walking into. This might be crazy, but I don't think i've 550 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,239 actually seen the wolver the Deadpool trailer. Were you not in the super Bowl 551 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,480 cast with us? No, I had to miss it for whatever reason. 552 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,480 Oh you've never seen the Dead Wolverine trailers? Yeah, I've avoided this whole 553 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:37,000 time. That's crazy. So probably wolver the Deadpool, especially now you haven't 554 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,519 seen a trailer, it'd be a great experience. Yeah, it'd probably be 555 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:45,079 that one, just for entertainment wise, Like I'm expecting to feel terrible when 556 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,719 I leave Joker Too, just how I felt after the first movie. This 557 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,960 is the one that we'll really push them over the edge, guys, look 558 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,760 out. Uh we kinda answer one of these, but she has since the 559 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,320 first was nominated in one oscars. Any early predictions what joker you might be 560 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,440 nominated for him win? I think we talked about the bit that I think 561 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,719 walking as a chance. I think Gaga will for sure be nominated and could 562 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,199 win. All up to see the field, I bet stuff like production and 563 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,199 maybe score, we'll see. I still think, even though they said it's 564 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,559 a jukebox musical, which do you know what that means, Kirkling, a 565 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:20,519 jukebox musical. Jukebox musical is a musical that's based on other songs, so 566 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,960 it's not original songs. It's like we're gonna sing you know, Halla back 567 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,639 Girl, and they're gonna sing that drover too. Now they're not, they're 568 00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:30,400 not, they're not gonna do Hallo back Girl, but it's gonna be super 569 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:37,280 dramatic, like someone just gets their head the courtroom, Hey no, and 570 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:45,320 just walking just like walking downstairs. Yeah, they're like, we're not giving 571 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,639 you that fucking Oscar bro, You fucking you should have never came back for 572 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,719 this. What are you doing? I still think And because even on the 573 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,639 post or her label record is listed, there's no fucking chance she's not doing 574 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,679 an original songs. She did original song for Top Guns. She wasn't even 575 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:04,079 in that, so I think that it'll win Original Song because Gaga, and 576 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,559 if she doesn't won Best Actress, that's the way to give it to her. 577 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,760 Director in picture, we'll see because there could be stuff. One of 578 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,400 those thoughts at all relocked. You got Dune and Dylaney Denivelneuve, so that's 579 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,920 like a one on one done there and directors. There's only five, so 580 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,360 that would be four more, so we'll see. And then the other one 581 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,719 Hansy, I love you for asking this, but will Joker to be better 582 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,400 than Joker? That's a tough one. That's that's like my sister. You're 583 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,800 like, you're exactly like my sister. He has that same question. I 584 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,840 don't know, because I think it's gonna be different strokes for different folks. 585 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,400 I think that these movies will have a similar vein, but with this being 586 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,440 a two hander with Harley and Joker versus the first one just being about Arthur 587 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,400 Fleck and that one being a bit more of a crime in the self inner 588 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,320 look drama. This, I'm sure we'll have crime and some self reflection, 589 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,920 but this definitely I think is gonna be more an theatrical entertainment one, a 590 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,360 bit more variety. There's gonna be some dark stuff, but I think this 591 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,920 is gonna be a bit more poppy. So I think what it comes down 592 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,559 to, I think maybe it'll blow me away. I better Aussie subjective. 593 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:13,320 I think I'll probably end up still leaning Joker one because I love just Hey, 594 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,320 you're sitting with a character for two two and a half hours, you 595 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:22,599 know I love that. I love shame, I love drive, like even 596 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,559 not not really sulpern extent, because there's lots of other ones. I'm trying 597 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,679 to blink them on another American psycho, Like, I love those. So 598 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,840 I'll probably lean that way. But what about you, Kirkling, it's gonna 599 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,840 be better than Joker one? Do you know this? No, it's not 600 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,280 going to be. It's no, I don't. I don't think it's going 601 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,679 to be. I don't think it's gonna hold up to just what that first 602 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,039 experience with like with this version of Joker is. I don't think that can 603 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:52,320 ever be met because like, like there's not even like a comic book run 604 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,519 of this type of Joker, right, yeah, Like it is very much 605 00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:00,360 its own and then the second one is building upon that with adding new characters 606 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,280 and things in the mix. I think it's still gonna be fantastic, and 607 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,079 I think Gaga is gonna be I think she's probably gonna be like the real 608 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:12,079 talk of the town after this one. Joaquin, like he's gonna be fantastic. 609 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,920 But I think it's really is gonna be where she shines. But yeah, 610 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,079 I don't think it's gonna quite hold up because I don't know, like 611 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:25,480 I kinda I'm gonna like set my expectator or not my expectations like my my, 612 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,000 my mood maybe going into this movie, whereas like going to The Joker, 613 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,199 like the first one, like we had seen trailers, it's like there's 614 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:35,920 gonna be a fucked up movie. But when you're actually in there in certain 615 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,199 scenes unfold, like I felt sick to my stomach and that might happen again. 616 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,599 But I'm at least gonna be somewhat prepared for those moments. But yeah, 617 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:47,800 I don't I don't think it'll quite meet it. But yeah, curious 618 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,320 numbers wise, at least what it's going to do financially. Probably Yeah, 619 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,360 I'm not gonna say yeah, I'm not gonna say a billion, But I'm 620 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:59,679 I don't think it's gonna be a flop. I think people are still gonna 621 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,920 come out to see this one. I think it's unique enough and you get 622 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,440 the stars, so it's not gonna be the cat Marvel to the Marvels. 623 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:09,159 It's not gonna be that drop off. I don't think so. No, 624 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,880 I'll say I'll say at least six hundred million. That's my barama. I've 625 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,119 been saying. Right now, we'll see what we get closer October. Let 626 00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,719 me do like, that's a bunch of horror stuff coming out. But that's 627 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,519 the right that's a perfect month for Joker, you know. And I'm excited 628 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:28,559 to see many couples stressed up as this for Halloween. I am just as 629 00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:30,719 bad. I saw that soon. I look at that. I got the 630 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,719 hair. That's the only reason. Because I got the hair. I was 631 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,960 like, man, I got the hair. I got long hair, so 632 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,199 I may as well try it. But we'll see. I was talking about 633 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,679 maybeing Araic Gorn or bor Mire because we've talked about doing a Lord of the 634 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,360 ringsteam this year. So but the problem is Logan wants to be Araic Gorns. 635 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,159 Is like do we do too? But then I thought, well, 636 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,840 get that big short the shield, get the horn. I could rock that. 637 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,280 Are you gonna get her some stubble or something because Ara Gorings got we'd 638 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,039 have to, Yeah, we'd have to. I think we'd give her. 639 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,400 We'd do the Crown version one, but we gotta wait. But yeah, 640 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,039 we don't know about el Ellie. And then Gwen was gonna be ganned off. 641 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:06,360 But now I think she's gonna be a Ghostbuster because she likes She likes 642 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,159 Ghostbusters a lot, so I respect that. But I I want to see 643 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:13,320 the little gandal. I would have too. Yeah, that would have been 644 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,039 great. The gray. She probably likes the grave. I'll ask her that 645 00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,360 tomorrow. I'll ask her because she asked me that question. But I don't 646 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,880 think I asked. I wouldn't I asked her back on it. We still 647 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,679 don't truck through the Hobbits. The Hobbits are definitely not as well liked as 648 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,440 Lord of the Rings. We're still like, we still watch them, but 649 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,480 they're not being asked about as much as the Hobbits were when we were watching 650 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,880 those. So let's take our next hop break when we're talking about some other 651 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,239 trailers and news. We'll we were back.