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I'm uh, Dorian, did you
want to talk? Got on mute?

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Okay? Yeah, how was that? I was listening earlier to your space

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earlier in the day, and I
do disagree with you on the topic of

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MAO, but I'm not sure at
what point you would want me to start.

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Well, I mean I gave a
bunch of pieces of evidence. Do

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you think that information? Is that
information wrong? Yeah? I believe so,

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Okay, on what basis? Well, pick pick which one? The

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history of Yale and Yai Yale in
China. Yeah, so, like,

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are you familiar with higher education in
China at that time and how how it

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was structured? Well, I'm just
saying, I mean the Yale review says

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that Yale had a key role in
the rise of China, and I know

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that Bill Donovan went over there and
trained MAUS guerrillas. Is that not true?

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Yeah? So that's a second topic
though, Like I wanted to go

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one by one, So on the
topic of Yalviel Right, almost every single,

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if not every university in China,
right around eighteen ninety five, under

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the Chain dynasty, they abolished the
existing education system and we'll replaced it was

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a system that was brought in by
the British as well as the Americans.

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And often what they would do is
through various indemnities they were owed by the

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Chinese government. They would receive money, but what they would do is they

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would put that back into various projects
within China. One of them was the

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schools, so pick any university and
for a lot of them, I can

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even tell you which either correspondence school
or actual government was funding it if you

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want to look it up. The
Officer Indemnity Scholarship basically brought hundreds of Chinese

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students from China either to the United
States or educated them in China. And

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the expressly written plan, and this
is also backed up in a chattam House

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document, was too subtly changed the
way the people in the society view themselves.

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I don't know if you're familiar with
John Dewey, he wrote a book

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I am familiar with education that was
basically the bible that they used when implementing

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these systems. That's why you had
anarchism, you had like a like an

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early trutskiest form of communism. You
had feminism. Rachel Singer was going and

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lecturing on the importance of birth control
bertrand Russell Rachel Singer. Are you talking

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about Margaret Singer? Yeah, yeah, Margaret Singer. Yeah. Okay,

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So you're not familiar with who Margaret
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I'm well familiar with who she is. But what does this have to do

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with I mean, they Yale Review
says they bragged about helping malcome to power.

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So what I don't understand? What's
your point? So I'm not sure

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the reason for boasting about that.
But what I'm saying is, well,

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but but I gave a thesis for
them, But I gave a thesis for

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why they did boast for that boast
about that, And you're saying that I'm

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wrong, then okay, fine,
that's what well I thought you listened to

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them? Is Mal expressly criticized that
very school so so much so, and

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I like it's so limited, Like
they say they helped him come to power

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because he edited a magazine. No, because no, it's much more than

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that. It's the oss. You've
read it all. I've read, I've

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read, you looked into it.
I wouldn't you were all if you read

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it all? Then okay, all
right, you've read it all. Okay,

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so good job. So we're gonna
go to We're gonna go to has

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So. Uh. We did the
four hour chat later earlier today about this

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day the Bolsheviks. So, uh, what I'd like to speak to about

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is the philosophy that he has.
So he said he's willing to talk about

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that. So we're going to add
him as a speaker and let him make

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whatever points he'd like to. What's
up, man? So this is how

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we're gonna do this. If you
mute me once or if you kick me,

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you surrender your manhood and you give
up. The second thing I want

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to say is that it's very clear
you're terrified to debate me, which is

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why you've decided to sho having you
on here right now. So what are

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you talking about, Jay Dyer?
You claim that my photo was photoshop.

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I spent all day on the ground. Okay, good for you, Good

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for you. Do you want to
talk about let's talk, let's talk about

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and let's talk. Let's cut that. We'll talk about imperial criticism. Are

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you gonna talk all right? Are
you gonna talk about Leninism and materialism?

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Yes? Okay, I do that. Before I do that, we have

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some personal beef because We could have
had a sip. I don't know anything

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about you. I would I would
be I would have stopped saying my name

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and just get to the topic grilling
Beta Dier. I would have been more

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than all you have is calling Look
dude, I was I was inviting you

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to have a discussion. You can
you call me a listen? You call

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me a fucking imbecile. And all
I said, all I was doing is

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trying to allow a debate with you. Sit down. We could have had

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a civil I'm not a boy.
I want to have a civil conversation.

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Do you look, you came you
immediately came on here calling me names.

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Do you want to have a debate
or not a civil debate? I'm giving

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you the opportunities to do that right
now. Of us, I'm giving you

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the opportunity to do that right now. Are we going to debate materialism or

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not? Stop saying my name?
Stop saying my name because you know it's

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very inconvenient for me. Do you
want to debate materialism and empirical criticism or

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not? I have the book pulled
up right now, let's go. Yeah.

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But what I'm going to be very
clear about before we get into the

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nitty gritty of that book is that
you're a fucking pussy who chows this time

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to debate just to inconvenience me,
and thinking that there was a chance that

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I would. I have no,
I'm absolutely not afraid of you. I

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think this is all ridiculous. Why
are you whining about being inconvenience when you

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can have the debate right now?
Because this is because this is a stupid

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informal Twitter space. I don't I
don't consider you. I don't consider you

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worth a formal debate. Okay,
Okay, well bitch, let's see.

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Okay, what do you want to
talk? So this is all you have?

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So let's talk about materialism? You
would like me? Would you like

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to convince people of materialism? You
think it's true. I'm here to destroy

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you, would violate you psychologically,
That's what I'm here to do. Why

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is materialism true? Materialism is true
because metaphysics is wrong. Metaphysics is mental

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rot, it's mental laziness. It
doesn't put the print. Do you have

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an art? Do you have an
argument for why that's the case. Yes,

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I was finishing my argument. That's
not that's an assertion. That's an

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assertion. That's not an argument.
Well, materialism, as Marks understands it

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consists in the rejection of metaphysics and
idle dogmas of the mind and idols of

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thought and the mind which are up
proven or put to work in any kind

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of way practically. Okay, what
is the mind? What is the mind?

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What do you mean? What is
the mind? What status does it

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have? Is it a thing?
The mind is what we call the faculty

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or the ability to produce thoughts.
Mind is the unity of reasoning. Okay,

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are those are all metaphysical statements?
No, they're not sure. You're

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saying that they have ontological status that
has some kind of level of existence.

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To say that what exists is matter
is a metaphysical claim. It's not a

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metaphysical claim because no one is saying, for example, that there's a given

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form of the mind that is not
contingent on some kind of material. It

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doesn't matter, reproduction, it doesn't
matter because you're you're you're granting it,

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You're you're saying, you're saying that
it has a status of existence. That's

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a metaphysical claim. That's a metaphysical
one. Oh one, no, no,

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no, yes, yes, yes, Earth exists. It's not a

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metaphysical claim. It is a metaphysical
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it's granting modality to a thing and
saying that it has material existence, that

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it's practically relevant to the people living
on it. So it's not metaphys The

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fact that you call it practical doesn't
mean that it's not metaphysical. Yes,

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yes it is, because metaphysics precisely
consists in making claims about reality that have

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no practical significance, like saying that
all reality is material. That's a metaphysical

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claim. It has direct practical significance
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the past, let's at least recorded
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reality and clung to those claims.
So you're just restating what reality is.

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That's a circular argument. Reality is
materialism, and that's what reality is.

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That's called a circular argument. So
you're at you're at, You're at t

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jump level reality of reality. Are
you interrupting me? We spent a long

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time because because you're just restating what
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why that's the case, Jade.
I are knowledge, Knowledge which which feeds

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people, is not metaphysical. Okay, metaphysical is like, so wait,

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what is the knowledge there in that
sentence? What is the feeding in that

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sentence? It's the same thing.
So knowledge is identical to feeding knowledge.

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You're a clown man. You you
don't have no idea what you're talking about?

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Knowledge is feeding material because it's not
something that's it's sensuously tangible. Is

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that your fucking argument? You reachard, did you even read Lennon's materialism imperial

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criticism? You really think the position
of Marxism is that only empirically definite?

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That was it? As you guys
heard, this was nothing but total nonsense.

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I knew it would last about five
or ten minutes for this absolute clown.

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He says that metaphysics is reality,
and reality is metaphysics. It is

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matter, and it is pragmatism.
Knowledge is feeding people. Feeding people?

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Is knowledge? Actually worse than T
Jump. T Jump at least had to

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try to give some kind of account
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meaning, and in his case it
was really low tier. It was scientific

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consensus. We didn't even get that
in this absolutely clown level, just ridiculous

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notion. And I want to give
the opportunity to for any of this clown

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triop of online nonsense, an astrotur
ridiculousness. For all the clowns that believe

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this worldview, You're welcome to come
on next and make your arguments for how

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any of the gibberists that you heard
in the last five minutes was in any

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way coherent or any kind of actual
argument. You heard that. It was

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all assertions. It was all pure
propaganda assertions with absolutely no justification for why

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we should believe that that is the
case. He tried to reduced it to

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pragmatism, but I don't think I
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answers to why pragmatism is true.
Shack, what's up? Shack? It's

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the word. I do agree with
the point about materialism, you know,

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I think two on two sides.
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with physics, you know, there
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of matter and everything that he oh
wait a mite woo woo. So if

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you're an empirical criticist, you believe
that knowledge comes from sense data, correct?

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Uh? I mean I have Lennon's
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Imperial Critics. Imperial criticism he says
knowledge comes from sense data. I mean,

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the end of the chapter calls it
the gospel. Sense data is the

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gospel. I mean you could say
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I don't know because it because do
you know what a universal claim is?

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Well, first of my memory?
Okay, so you guys want to

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come and debate metaphysics, universal claims, and epistemology. You're not aware of

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basic ideas and epistemology, basic philosophical
terms and positions. You said all reality

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is material. That's a universal claim. I just asked you if all knowledge

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comes from sense data, which is
what your position holds to. So I

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want to know how you have access
to a universal claim and universal states of

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affairs as a finite sense database being. I wouldn't see that. Oh,

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now this comes from sense data,
because I mean, there is fucking tons

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of science that is not it's from
But I mean, okay, so your

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argument is there's tons of fucking science. No, no, no, no

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no. My point is that,
like for example, point physics, that

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I understand if that does not come
from sense data. However, just like

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that, so wait, so hold
on, so you're not a materialist or

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you think that quantum physics teaches materialism
these materialism, Well, it's not necessarily

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because in quantum physics, no it's
not, there's the No, it's not.

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There's the idea that all that,
there's all the possibility of all universes

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are actual. So there's universes where
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Correct, No, yes, that
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multiverse quantum physics theory. Yes,
it is. What are you talking about?

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Does Brian Green? Brian Green has
a whole book on that. What

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are you talking about? But that's
not true? How do you know it's

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not? What a minute, it's
not true. I mean what I'm saying

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is what you're saying isn't true,
even though in those other universities it's still

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material. It's just that. How
do you know that? Could I explain?

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Well? Hold on, no,
no, wait a minute, you

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said you so, hold on,
You're now you're talking about other universes that

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are also strictly material. Oh my
gosh, dude, this is utterly retarded.

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Now we're done. Now, goodbye, dude, this goodbye. Let's

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hear the next clown. Next up
is commander. What's up? These people

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have never questioned materialism and don't know
anything about philosophy. Remember, knowledge is

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feeding people, and feeding people is
knowledge. And we got another one of

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these cult members in here. When
this thing connects, we'll go to FDA

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and imagine appealing to quantum physics to
prove materialism. Hey, can I had

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something? Please? Please do I'm
gonna that was a great point, by

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the way, which which point?
What point about the multiverse? Right?

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So if we're gonna take quantum mechanics, right, So you know, I've

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done a lot of a lot of
work in my PhD and other places on

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the philosophy of mind, and these
modal arguments possible worlds, which connects to

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the quantum conversations develops. Now,
materialism is a position that isn't just in

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this world. Materialism is true,
but it holds a modal strength across all

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possible worlds. Right, So,
and you have a you have a paper

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on this, right, don't you
have a paper? Yeah? And so

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in in philosophy and logic, if
I can conceive of a world in which,

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for example, I'll just give you
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there's two entities that are identical in
every sense physically, one has consciousness

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and the other does or has some
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conceive that and think of that without
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If it's logically possible, there's a
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And therefore materialism is defeated because materialism
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to be true in our world,
but in every possible world. So I

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really like what you did with that
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if they're wedded to to quantum mechanics
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defeater for material for materialism. Yeah, I can logically constive a world in

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which materialism is not true, and
I didn't contradict myself. So materialism's false.

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That's basically how it goes. So
very good. Yeah, So one

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of these they're spurging out, du
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get it. You can punch the
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I mean, why did you run
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a little bitch. I didn't run
away, didn't make an argument, he

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said absurd stuff? So why and
why am I supposed to be an argument.

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Why am I supposed to believe materialism
is true? Why are you running

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away from him like a little okay, right, So this is all you

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guys have Exactly, It wasn't.
It wasn't a debate. I mean,

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the guy, the guy, the
guy wasn't It wasn't. It wasn't even

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able to make an argument. It
was just like reality is feeding people.

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Feeding people is reality. And if
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there's nothing else I can say to
you, Harold. He wants to

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make this point. What's up,
Harold? Why are we supposed to be

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materialists? So you guys, you
understand they don't make arguments, They just

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assert things. I mean, he
was t jump level, what's up,

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Harold? Where are we supposed to
be materialists? Jay Dyer? Why are

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you sea? So this is all
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So all of all of this is
proving my point that so that there's

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no actual arguments. He didn't give
arguments. He had all the time in

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the world to make arguments as to
why we're supposed to believe in materialism,

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and he said absolute gibberish. And
you know what, only fools engage in

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that kind of well anyway, so
you were right to Actually, if somebody

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wasn't presenting an argument, that's what
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bringing assertions and profanities and insults,
then actually you're the better man for not

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engaging in it. Yeah. I
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real debate to begin with, and
so within five minutes I heard the most

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ridiculous bunch of gibberish. That is
literally what It's worse than what T Dump

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said. So if you got if
you're not familiar with T Jump, I

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mean, it's exactly the stuff T
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is feating people. How would we
ask this question? How come you cowered

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away from manning up and presenting an
argument? How you resorted to child?

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Yeah? Actually he actually like a
psycho without any actual arguments. But I'm

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the one and female hysterics. So
let's another So this is all that this

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crew does. They're all just super
low IQ. What's up a XX?

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First of all, first of all, what do you have this guy in

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here sucking you off? But thanks
for here we go? Okay? Basic?

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Yeah, So again, look how
these people speak to deacons in the

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church. Just complete goblins. These
people are possessed. Right wing Carl Mark,

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Carl right wing Marks. What's up? Does anybody have an actual argument

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or just filthy nonsense? Can you
hear it? Yep? I think you're

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a rhetor, but I want to
understand your position better. I'm a rhetor,

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and how do you come up?
How do you how do you come

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to that? What does that mean? Like you're just debating like this psychopath

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on the internet. I'm debating like
a psychopath. But he's no, no,

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no, you're debating a psychopath on
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I'm a rhetor. I mean yeah, it's already treat to debate on the

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internet. So all traits that are
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there's so everybody's a rhetor because they're
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Could you have any arguments? Are
you just here to talk? No,

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you're the actual rhetor here. You
don't have any arguments? Well,

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I asked you. I said I
wouldn't understand your argument better. All right,

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We're moving on to anybody that has
an actual argument or any any reason

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why we should believe any of the
gibberish that's been spouted tonight, Maximus something

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something, I'm mute. Yeah,
it took about five minutes to show that

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that was utter philosophical gibberish and nonsense. So are you gonna or are we

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gonna move on? Barnwell? Uh
yeah, Jay, let me ask you

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a question real quick. What you
have you ever dived into the Late Angles

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later essays on Mark's immaterialism. Uh
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Late Angles. Well, if you
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Yeah, this is really solid stuff. I think that maga communism is really

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winning the day. I think everybody's
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what can we say against this kind
of stuff? Right, giggling,

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uh, blaspheming, blaspheming against God. I mean, it's just this is

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just really solid imitation. I think
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So, by the way, I've
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he was just joking, Oh he
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Are you do you have a point? Ken? All right? Nothing

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from Ken, still waiting for any
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should believe in materialism Sabbatai, I
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up. What do you want to
say? You've been asking to speak?

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Yeah, so I just wanted to
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I heard you speak earlier, and
I agree with you that nothing to

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do with what we're talking about.
Absolutely way out of left field. I'm

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not being mean to you, but
obviously the topic is listed materialism, Marxism.

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Why are we supposed to believe in
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Hell yep? I So I want
to actually give up more of a

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serious argument. Okay, so instead
of I don't actually want to touch on

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specifically a topic of materialism. But
I do think that by insisting on a

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conversation about philosophy and metaphysics and avoiding
conversations of history, I did that talk

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four hours earlier. We had a
four hour talk on that earlier. Today.

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Well, I think you're moving the
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where it's very easy to call anything
GiB or jib or gibberish or meaningless or

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content. Did he give an argument
for why materialism is true? I unfortunately

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missed. I thought the spasic well, you tell me what the argument is

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for materialism being true, for materialism
being true, I don't think that.

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I mean that's just about your I
think it's more of a statement of your

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commitments, like what are you're most
interested in, what you want to focus

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on. Well, the argument is
materialism as a worldview, which he believes

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in and which I don't believe in, and so I want to know why

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we're supposed to be materialist. He
said he was going to argue that,

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and he said, because it's just
true in metaphysics is false, and I'm

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not making metaphysical statements when I believe
in absolute materialism, which is a metaphysical

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statement. I just agree that materialism
in the context of Marxism is making a

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metaphysical statement. Okay, so is
it a statement about what exists? It's

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a statement about what is going to
be brought to the for what we're going

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to focus on. So materialism is
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world. That's philosophical materialism yet,
correct, Right, then that's that's what

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and that's what I was debating.
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correct debate to have when we're talking
about that's the debate I'm having, so

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you can go have the correct debate
with whoever you think is supposed to be

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had with Are you a materialist?
And if so, why is it true?

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Yeah? I mean I just don't
think that's really relevant. Okay,

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yeah, so it's not relevant to
the debate about materialism exactly. Again,

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this is just this is unbelievable nonsense. So I'm here to have a debate

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about materialism. That's the position that
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this whole crew of Maga communism,
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They just want me to say that
it just give me the just grant me

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my presuppositions, and then we'll argue
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not how debates work. Proba though, what's up? Why is materialism true?

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I'm mute. I'm mute, like
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underpinions of materials. Quantum your theory, the most scientific and most bro You're

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just nobody knows, you don't know
where, you have no idea what you're

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talk about? Dogs, thank you? What's up? Quantum physics the most

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ridiculous speculative thing to try to prove
materialism. Dude, you're a fushing cowards.

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Okay, so what's the argument for
materialism being surete? There we go.

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So the materialists are really pulling out
the big guns tonight, is I

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mean they're I mean, I'm I'm
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stellar showing, I mean, I
think we gotta we got to become I'm

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about to I'm about to pull out
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to put on my Soviet star here. I mean, this is some hardcore

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argumentation. Uh, inward, what's
up? And it's amazing that they don't

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even know what an argument is,
Like, nobody actually gave an argument.

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They they think that stating your position
over and over over and asserting it is

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what an argument is. An argument
is evidence or syllogism or some sort of

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reasoning that we ought to believe your
position. Why is materialism true? We

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had about five minutes of spurging out
nonsense from the original pause, no actual

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argument, and so far none of
that crew has doesn't it doesn't even apparently

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know what an argument is. That's
a that's pretty amazing to me because I

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thought we were going to have a
philosophical discussion. But all I've heard is

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how I'm scared. Uh, this
is like I hope everyone sees that this

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is a complete clown show like this. And I suspected months ago when I

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heard about this, that this was
utter nonsense. And I can't believe anybody

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that falls for this sort of astroturfed
online thing as if it's a real thing.

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H b b boop, what's up. It's a really great showing too,

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for these people to have presented absolutely
no argument and just basically screamed and

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cussed at me the whole time.
I think this is this is gonna really

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demonstrate how absurd all this is.
Do you want to make your argument,

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Hi, why wouldn't you believe in
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like, pull yourself up by your
bootstraps and it's your values that will drive

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you to success. When people feel
that they're being sabotaged by corporations, and

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that's when the whole nonme what does
this have to do with with materialism as

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a philosophical view? That's what is
that because you put materialism and Marxism in

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the same thing in your debate,
that's where Marxism comes in with materialism because

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a lot of right wing propagandists will
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the nation that will drive our prosperity. Again, what is materialism true or

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not? That's the debate here.
Yes, okay, it comes to economic

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stuff. Yes, No, I'm
not. I'm talking about metaphysical materialism.

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That's what Marxism is predicated on.
Is that true? No, it's predicated

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on the structural issues that are cut
I'm talking about. I'm talking That's not

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what Lennon's book Materialism and Empirical Criticism
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Chapter four. That's just one incredibly
small part of it. It's only relevant

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here because is materialism as a philosophy
true the meta physics? Yes? Okay?

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And on what basis are we supposed
to believe and know that that's the

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case. Okay, you're trying to
force people. Are you going to make

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an argument? Do you know what
an argument is? Yes? Okay?

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What's an argument? Reframe it in
a way that makes it seem like binary

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that if you believe in what is
the argument that materialism? What is?

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No? I never said that.
I want to know one argument for why

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we should believe that materialism is true? Can you give one? Maybe you're

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right, maybe it is true.
What's the argument that is true? Materialism

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basically says that you create your ideas
and your values based on the environment.

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Okay, so define it for me
and not give me an argument exactly.

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That's not defining the position, is
not telling me why the position is true.

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Discriminate or what's up? Hey?
Can you hear me? Yep?

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All right? The only I don't
know how this came about exactly. All

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I wanted to say is that there's
no The whole basis of Marxism as an

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ideology to begin with, is completely
divorced from the concept of there's no into

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a worldview into itself. There is
no purpose of it without assuming materialism as

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the basis of Sure, Yeah,
I think so, right, So why

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are we supposed to believe in materialism? Oh? I don't. I mean,

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I'm just saying, like, I
don't know what, I don't know

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the backstory, I don't know how
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is controversial. I mean, are
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I mean, I suppose, I'm
sure that you could find one somewhere,

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But I mean I don't even think
this is controversial. I'm looking at chapter

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four of Lennon's Epic Materialism Imperial Criticism
book, and I want to know why

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it's true. He's citing a bunch
of atheist philosophers and ancient Greek philosophers about

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flux and materialism. So okay,
why am I supposed to believe that that's

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true? What are the reasons for
materialism being true? I mean, I'm

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I don't I don't believe in materialism. I'm not a Marxist. I'm just

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I don't know exactly who, well, how he came to this debate came

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to be. I just The only
point I wanted to make is that I

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was just I was curious what they're
what has would have to say to be

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honest? So yeah, well you
can. You can go back to about

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the first five minutes, and he
said materialism is true because metaphysics doesn't exist

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and is false, even though to
say that all realities material is a metaphysical

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claim. And then he said that
minds exist, but minds are not existing

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is not a metaphysical claim because he
said that the mind is a faculty,

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although a faculty is some kind of
metaphysical modality in which the mind exists when

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you talk about modes of things,
that's a metaphysical claim. And then he

403
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:57.359
said that knowledge is feeding people,
and feeding people is knowledge. So that's

404
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:02.640
about the level of depth that we
got from this person. Yeah, yeah,

405
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.880
it's about what I expect. Yeah, exactly, the riff raff,

406
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:12.280
it's yeah, do we have any
more? Rachel? Want to say something?

407
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.400
Where are the people that can argue
this position? Does anybody have an

408
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.000
actual argument for this position? Or
is it just screaming and yelling and fuming

409
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:29.920
at the mouth and acting possessed?
Rachel? Rachel, are you there?

410
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:37.239
Father Deacons? Did you want to
say anything? No, it's just amazing.

411
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:43.000
What if we pay people to give
us like arguments? Rachel? Did

412
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.199
you want to say something? Can
get Yeah? Can you guys hear me?

413
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.719
Now? Okay? Yeah, I'm
hoping that one of these idiots will

414
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.360
come on and explain to us if
y'all are a bunch of materialists, which

415
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.400
I know that's what they claim because
it's their tactic of how they're going to,

416
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.519
you know, try to manipulate politics
and economics. But if they're really

417
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:07.599
materialists, I'd like to know why
They've been preserving Vladimir Lennon's body for over

418
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.159
one hundred years so that they can
hopefully resurrect him someday and he can come

419
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:17.679
back as a god and restore the
glorious Bolshevik Soviet states. Like, if

420
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:23.599
you're a materialist, why would you
do that? Have you guys ever looked

421
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:28.920
into the preservation of Lennon's body and
the insane stuff they are trying to do

422
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.000
to preserve his core. Yeah,
it's a religious call. They're in a

423
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:37.480
religious call exactly. Yeah. So
I mean this whole front of saying their

424
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.320
materialists, they don't know what the
hell they're talking about. That's the bit

425
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.719
you can see. They come in
here and they just spurg because they don't

426
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:50.599
know. They just know that as
a dialectical tactic, saying their materialists is

427
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:55.000
like advantageous to their economic aims.
But clearly they're full of shit. So

428
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.960
I just want to I want to
hear from them if you're a materialist,

429
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.800
you know, I want to know
why you're preserving Lennon's body so that you

430
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:09.360
can reanimate him, because that's creepy. Uh. I'm on right now,

431
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:17.440
rev go ahead, Kingdom, uh
oh yo, Uh so I'm I take

432
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.039
your position more so than there's,
but I just have something to say that

433
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.840
I think is interesting. Okay,
I totally missed the debate. I got

434
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.360
home late, and what it was
about five minutes of him cussing me out

435
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.159
and saying that materialism is true because
it's true, and that knowledge is feeding

436
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.400
people and feeding people's knowledge, and
that that's what proves materialism, which is

437
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.760
not an argument at all. It's
t jump level stuff. Definitely. Yeah,

438
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.360
So what I heard from I hopped
in your space after the ended,

439
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.039
and then I hopped in his just
to hear what you guys were talking about

440
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.719
in terms of like damage control and
stuff like that, and uh, I

441
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.400
just uh it was funny because he
essentially was advocating for the position that materialism

442
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:06.360
at uh uh it uh contains within
it the aspect of the immaterial. And

443
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.079
so pretty much what you're what you're
talking about is being confirmed by his trying

444
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:15.960
to do damage control in him being
a part of some sort of cult or

445
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:22.039
something like that. He's essentially saying
that he believes in the immaterial and that

446
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:27.000
and that materialism can contain that within
it, and so that that can mean

447
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:34.280
nothing other than some sort of religious
cult. Uh. And and whether he

448
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.599
wants to admit it or not,
that's that's the case. I think at

449
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.440
this point I feel bad for him
because he's got all of these people that

450
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.719
pay his bills. He wants to
keep that and and yeah, I'm just

451
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.320
going to continue praying for him at
this point. But that's really all I

452
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:58.800
have to say. All Right,
thank you, just Michael man h it's

453
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.920
so. Yeah, So what was
the I don't understand what is this whole

454
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.760
argument about. Yeah, so is
materialism true? That's what Marxism is based

455
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.599
on. And we want to hear
the arguments. Okay, why why?

456
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:17.159
Why is subjectivity regarded as the privilege
privileged site of like consciousness or of like

457
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:23.039
ontology. Why do you think that
is? Because that's not what materialism is.

458
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:29.159
That's what I'm argetting against. Well, I'm arguing against what I thought

459
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:34.079
was his position in terms of Leninism
that Lenin outlines in chapter four of Materialism

460
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.079
and Empirico Criticism. So, well, I'm talking about like materialism as a

461
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.440
metaphysical const right, Yeah, that's
what I'm talking about, that talking about

462
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.079
Lenin. Well, but the original
debate that the guy that was in here

463
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.840
was arguing the Leninist position. So
that's what I'm concerned with, is that,

464
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.480
why are we supposed to believe that
that is true? Believe what?

465
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.159
What did Lennon say? That's the
quote? Just that that basic Chapter four

466
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.679
is about there is object of truth. It's not pure subjectivity, but that

467
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:07.920
objective truth is just objective matter and
sensation. Yeah, I agree with it,

468
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.800
Okay, and but why is that
true? How are we supposed to

469
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.239
know that that's true? Well,
I think this, I think you're getting

470
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.000
a misconstrued with this kind of vulgar
materialism that it's no. I'm reading chapter

471
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:22.639
four where he's arguing, I'm explaining
what I'm saying. I'm saying. I

472
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.559
think you take that quote and you're
saying, Okay, what is it out

473
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.599
there? I can't feel it,
I can't touch it. But it's like,

474
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:34.199
no, I want to know the
the argument for why materialism true because

475
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:38.559
the subject is not the privileged site
of ontology of being, how does that?

476
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:44.599
How does that prove materialism? Because
that means the world as upon X

477
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.960
upon us, It means the world
is real, it means the world is

478
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.039
How does it prove that because you
are being acted upon. H Okay,

479
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.639
how does that answer? How does
that? How does that at? How

480
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:01.599
does that answer something like Sellers is
problem myth of the given? Explain that?

481
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.159
Well? What any minute? You're
the philosopher or so you don't know

482
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.599
about the myth of the given?
No, you're the philosopher here explaining materialism

483
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:13.320
to us, So surely you would
be familiar with the major objections to materialism.

484
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.239
What is that objection and lay it
out? If you're the smart guy,

485
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:21.199
can condense it. But but I'm
not the materialist, I thought you.

486
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.239
So you don't know the major objections
to your position, Well, offer

487
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:29.599
one forward. You're not giving me, you're not you're not presenting your case.

488
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.360
Well, the myth of the given
is the idea that the external data

489
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.639
that comes in that there's a correspondence, or that there's a givenness or a

490
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:42.559
pattern that exists, that the information
that comes in matches up to the ideas

491
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:49.599
in your head. Yeah, but
that necessarily can't be true. That's what

492
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.159
your position given information, and they're
not able to disclose that information. You're

493
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:57.960
not even understanding, you're not even
you're not understanding the argument. You're not

494
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.239
even understand who hasn't You're not not
even understanding the argument. Yes I am,

495
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.639
No, you're not. Okay,
what am I not understanding about it?

496
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:10.119
It's an argument against materialism because materialism
operates on the assumption of the myth

497
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.679
of the given that the act that
the data that comes in is meaningful information

498
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.039
just CONTI and jibber jabber, I
know what that means. Not Kantian,

499
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.559
it's not CONTI No, it's not. Sellers is an empiricist. He's not

500
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:27.599
a Kantian And what do you kant
literally use a lot of hum what do

501
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:29.920
you when? He was Yeah,
I'm wrong, I'm aware. I know

502
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.440
I make transcendent arguments. I know, I'm a I know what content Okay.

503
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.679
So my point is being that and
it's it can be interpreted as the

504
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.599
contient just yet negation of what is
being said. I understand that your mind

505
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:44.719
plays tricks on you, and I
understand what you're saying. Well, that's

506
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.440
that's part of it. But the
argument is that there's an assumed correspondence between

507
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.360
the idea that's produced from the sensations
and the meaningful content in the external world.

508
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.639
And how do you know that that's
the case? Because of vibes man,

509
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:07.079
this is what I'm talking about because
of vibes, Because of vibes into

510
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.159
and just say that. I don't
know if you have some type of if

511
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:15.960
you're responding to some type of phenomenalism
or something like that, but the fact

512
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:22.239
of the matter is what you're saying
about the subjectivity of consciousness. It certainly

513
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:30.239
doesn't prove materialism because you have all
of Greek antiquity and the Ristituian philosophy that

514
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:38.519
believes in immatrial entities and realistic essentialism
is being h immaterial properties and substances.

515
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:44.119
Yeah, but because of vibes did
you not hear the conclusion? The concluding

516
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:50.360
argument was because the vibes man Maximus. People that just like take like just

517
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.400
look at a few philosophy pages.
Yes, all of these people have looked

518
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:58.079
at like one or two YouTube videos
and they read a little bit of Lenin

519
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:04.880
and they think their philosopher is correct. Go ahead, Oh no, I

520
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.880
just kind of wanted to like go
off what some of you guys were saying,

521
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:13.760
which is like my understanding of what
he kind of believes is it.

522
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.679
It's just sort of like this like
Hegelian monism, and they think that there's

523
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:23.079
some kind of like former content to
reality, but like we can't really know

524
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:29.559
what it is, Okay, so
what's the justification for that? Exactly?

525
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:31.840
And that's what we're that's what we've
been asking for this whole time, that

526
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:37.480
the position is predicated on all these
assertions and dogmas that are supposed to be

527
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:45.280
anti metaphysical but are all completely metaphysical
dogmas. And the justification was knowledge is

528
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.079
feeding people, and feeding people is
knowledge. That's a that's a t jump

529
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:54.039
level argument. Well, also,
if everything is just like purely induction,

530
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.679
how are you, like not an
empiricist, right, Well, they'll just

531
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.960
how do you, ever, how
do you get to any universal claim?

532
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.119
Yeah, well that's exactly right because
of the claim about materialism, right,

533
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:14.400
but induction never even gets you to
knowledge, not even in particular. What

534
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:19.119
they'll say is is that you know
whatever, like if there's some objective content

535
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:21.880
or quality to it. But the
problem is is that they don't believe in

536
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.320
forms, right, So they don't
because they think that that is like idealism

537
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.239
or whatever. So like the medieval
realists and the ancient realists, they thought

538
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.480
there was some kind of like form
that was impressed on Yeah, we know

539
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:38.119
right, you know, but they
don't. You know, you bring up

540
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:45.679
a good point because as materialists,
they're going to have to subscribe to inductivism.

541
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:51.480
But the problem is inductivism is viciously
circular. So if I said that,

542
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.679
well, how do I know that
inductivism works because it's worked in the

543
00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:01.159
past. See well, actually,
this chapter four is where Lenin is responding

544
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:08.199
to Hume's objections and he responds to
Ernst Mock and some other people that had

545
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:13.599
these really kind of you know,
naive views, and his response is to

546
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:20.880
basically quote a Foyerbach. I'll read
what Lennon says here. He says how

547
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.840
Benal wrote Fourier back to Deny that
sensation is the gospel. It is the

548
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:30.639
objective savior. A strange but a
preposterous term, but perfectly clear. In

549
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:36.320
philosophy, sensation reveals the objective truth. In other words, pure sensation is

550
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.280
truth. Okay, yeah, not
answering any of the actual objections and just

551
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.599
restating the posiness. So this is
what, Yeah, these people think,

552
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:49.800
this is the height of philosophy.
Is Lennon just quoting Firebach that sensation is

553
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.000
the gospel? Just sense data,
bro, just pure sense data. It's

554
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:58.000
more than that, right, because
they believe that there's some kind of somehow

555
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.840
like objects or something. Right,
they're making progress. I understand that they

556
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:07.159
will go they'll violate that by then
tacking on all these things like meaning and

557
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.239
form and faculty and mind and knowledge, which is what he did in the

558
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.960
first five minutes, attributing reality to
all these concepts, and then not understanding

559
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:23.320
that that's completely negated by the idea
that materialism, that everything's reducible to materialism.

560
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.079
So before I leave, I'm just
going to head out tonight. But

561
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:34.440
if I resummarized, well, what
are the arguments against materialism, One is

562
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.360
it's the denial of metaphysics, But
then they use metaphysics to actually make that

563
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:45.840
all their positions number two get they're
reduced to an inductivism through their empiricism,

564
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:52.800
in which case is viciously circular.
And furthermore, inductivism never actually even gets

565
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:59.960
you to any universal claims in which
you're making. Number three. We would

566
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:08.679
say that, well, my my
argument from universals concerning proving the immateriality of

567
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:15.840
the mind using all valid deductive syllogisms
that are all basically based on the first

568
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:21.760
syllogism, and therefore you can't deny
the rest without denying the first. But

569
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:28.079
the first is so on controversy,
we can't deny it refutes materialism. So

570
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:30.920
what would you what would you say
also to the myth of the given objection

571
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:38.159
to that one guy and you push
that out too. Is that so he's

572
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:47.760
trying to basically make a he's trying
to make a subjective statement about objectivity.

573
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.280
Well, let me put it this
way. My PhD who actually did on

574
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:59.880
Wilford Sellers, my PhD advisor Jmosche, said he's trying to take a God's

575
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:07.079
I perspective and reach objectivity. Walste
being immersed in the subjective framework of linguistics

576
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:15.280
and semantics and all these things that
theory contaminate everything that you're saying. So

577
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.400
he's trying to do two things at
once that are contradictory. So yeah,

578
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.159
I could say like two things on
that is also they say everything is contingent,

579
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.079
which is kind of like self contradictory. Yeah, so is the proposition

580
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.559
everything is contingent? Continue One because
it's a metaphysical scheme of the world,

581
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.719
right. The other is because then
they say, oh no, but there's

582
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:40.880
like this there is this meaning that
you kind of discover through dialectical materialism and

583
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.480
the revolution. Yeah, it's a
religion. It's a mystical religion of matter

584
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:51.199
in motion giving you enlightenment point.
And then so the way that like some

585
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:55.199
of the you could say something like
so if I have a smell, Like

586
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.800
I begin to smell something and it
smells like cheese, and I think it's

587
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:05.159
the cheddar cheese in the in the
it's the mozzarella cheese of the pizza.

588
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:13.639
The fact that I've had a sensation
does not immediately translate into the information that

589
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.920
it's quote cheese pizza that corresponds to
that smell. So, in other words,

590
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:23.519
the sensation as a meaningful, informed, informational content experience or two different

591
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:29.400
things. Now, maybe it is
giving you the content of cheese pizza through

592
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:36.159
the sensation, but raw sensations do
not themselves give you the meaningful content of

593
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.400
cheese pizza. You see. That's
the objection here. Yeah, but then

594
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:40.840
you need form and they're going to
say, like, oh no, that

595
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.800
that doesn't exist. Well, that's
metaphysics. So it only exists at the

596
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.239
end of history basically, right,
that's when everything stops. That's an even

597
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:55.519
more ridiculous non empirical claim. And
you know what, just eology of science

598
00:49:55.719 --> 00:50:00.840
or epistemology one on one class would
shook any of this stuff exactly. That's

599
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.960
what I'm saying, Like, if
you learn, if you learned basic philosophy

600
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.760
of science, you would learn some
of these problems and challenges. And none

601
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.320
of these people is even aware of
h. If you go to the stuff

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on Molny debate that I did on
YouTube, you'll notice that I listed in

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the debate and in the pen to
comment. Uh, Steffon had never encountered

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the basic challenges to his materialist paradigm, and so he doesn't deal with the

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myth of the given, he doesn't
deal with the problem of the external world,

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the problem of induction, the status
of immaterial objects, UH, universals,

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numbers, et cetera. That there's
no properly basic beliefs. And then

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I also brought in the underdetermination of
data, all of which are classic problems

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for any form of imperialism that excu
empiricism that will have to deal with.

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And none of the people tonight we're
even familiar with even one of the basics.

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No, and I'll end with this
and I'll let you guys go because

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I gotta go to bed. But
number five point against refuting materialism is the

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irreducible of consciousness arguments. We already
gave one from the logical conceivability of zombies,

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but any of those logical conceivability possible
world's arguments are great refutations materialism.

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So if anybody's out there that wants
to know, those are five. Those

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are five hardcore arguments that refute materialists
that none of these people have never they've

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never even heard of this because they've
never even taken like an intro class on

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philosophy, science or epistemology, maybe
not even just even philosophy, which is

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amazing. What that. I bid
you guys, farewell, blessed evening,

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and thanks for having the thanks for
joining us, and thank you for your

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comments. And as we see,
everything went as expected. Everybody a good

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night, all right,