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of Xbox Live Gold. But first, I want to thank you all for
joining us. Mike, how are you doing. I'm pretty good. I'm
on this staycation and it's nice. I guess, yeah, they're never it's
because you have all these fine land right, all these machinations exactly, and
then it takes a one domino for to fall where it's like, oh,
I didn't get as much done today as I thought I was gonna get.
For all to fall apart, right, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna
really clean up my house and I'm gonna cook this giant brisket I have and
play Found Fancy sixteen somehow. None none of that. I've mostly kind of
just like slept and played dal before while watching things is what I've really done.
So it's a beautiful life you live, but I understand what you mean.
I mean, I always happens to me. I Uh. We're playing
in a trip and stuff is like doing my itenerary. It's that's kind of
person she is, and I'm like, hey, awesome, I'll support you
into whatever you need to help make that happen because I'm not good at that
kind of stuff. So, uh, it is nice to a degree.
But it's also like, oh, it's cool to just have a bunch of
stuff to do, and when we check that stuff off a list, it'll
feel satisfying and then that'll be good. Things will go wrong, we'll just
have the roll with the punches, but it's it's still nice to like,
oh, well we'll we hear them. We have tickets for those things we
have to go, and then when we get home it's like, well we
did all those fun things. That was great. It felt like we did
a bunch of stuff. It's going to be exhausting and tiring, but I'm
kind of looking forward to that kind of vacation right now. So yes,
staycation probably come eventually, but even then I know it's going to be exactly
the same. It really with staycations. If all you do is get a
bunch of sleep. You got to consider that a whin. Yeah, I
guess I feel like next time, I almost want to go somewhere, even
if I'm not doing anything, just like because I don't actually feel like I'm
on vacation. I don't, so I don't know, it's fine. I
mean, I'm definitely glad to have the break. Maybe I'm just also so
disney rotted that to me, a vacation means getting up far earlier than I
usually do, to tire myself out way more than I usually do, to
be outside more than I usually am, to like do a bunch of things.
Maybe that is just actually how I liked to vacation. Maybe to me
that is more unusual than my life of sitting inside by a computer or too
much. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you gotta break up the flow
a little bit. I don't know. Well, maybe we'll go to something
fun this weekend and we can like break it up a little bit and then
well that'll be good. See, we'll see. If you're in the Cleveland
Greater area, maybe you could start well. I mean, oh, i't
think that's a secret. I'm trying to go to this classic console an arcade
gaming show on Saturday in North Brunswick, which is kind of near Cleveland,
starting at noon that day. Song Yeah, I'm trying, I'm gonna go.
I'm just trying to figure out exactly when, what the logistics are,
and we can probably meet up there, so that'd be fun. Spending too
much money on GameCube games is just what I need to get out of.
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our shows add free. All right, Mike, I got some news to
talk about. You ready to get into it? Yeah, let's start here
with Blizzards games are coming to Steam starting August. Starting in August with overwatching.
Welloo, question, who wrote this incredibly elaborate description for the podcast today?
What is all this? I did that? You do? Do you
always do that? No? No, that was the first time I've done
that in a while. Wow. Do So you didn't like my like one
sentence about what we were talking about this time? Huh? I did like
that, but I was like, I wrote it after I put this rundown,
and so I'm like, some of these things we might not talk about,
so let's just put it here and then if we do get those other
things, then great. But I didn't like it. Just notice I just
noticed goes you know, I guess, thanks, I guess, yeah,
you're welcome. I guess what a relationship we Blizzards games are coming to Steams
starting in August with Overwatch two. Blizzard will release a selection of its PC
games on Steam starting with Overwatch two on August tenth. Blizzard president mikey Baras
said this is in response to player demand, and Valve boss Gabe Newell said
it will benefit both gamers and developers. Mike, you are the person I
know who is who spends more time maybe on Battlenet than on Steam. Yes,
what do you think about this? I think this is driven by a
multitude of factors, like the imminent cell to Microsoft. That's very interesting.
I think it's just like the first thing I thought of was when you told
Baccalar that his Jewish family having a Christmas tree was a cultural victory difference.
It seems like some kind of victory condition and civilization to me, it really
does. I think another factor here, and why Overwatch too. It's first,
it's because that game has been not doing the numbers it's supposed to,
and there is probably a bit of a hope that putting this on Steam is
going to help increase the player numbers for that game and get more people potentially
buying It's terrible micro transactions. Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard not
to look at it through that lens. I mean, obviously there's a lot
of other stuff that's lining up as as this deal with Microsoft gets ready to
close, like Microsoft's making a bunch of moves. We'll talk a little bit
about those things here in a second. But so yeah, I think you're
right, that's probably is a little bit of a motivating factor. But I
think the biggest one is what you said, Overwatch too interrupt spot. What
do you do with the game like that? Well, you make it very
easily accessible to people who might have been overwatched curious but now have a real
chance to go in and check it out. I cannot remember. Is over
Watch too free to play? Yes, it is. It is free to
play. That was like a big point of what they did. But it's
free to play with a pretty aggressive monization thing in terms of the bat you
need the batt Pass to get the heroes earlier and things like that. I
don't know, And you know, it's just you get way fewer cosmetics for
free than you used to in the old system. Now, of course you
had to pay four your dollars own the game before, but you would get
those loop boxes, and you know, you would get cosmetics there. If
you got duplicates, you get a currency so you can buy the cosmetics you
want. Now you get some from a battle pass, which was the slowest
battle pass to complete I had ever seen in a video game, or you
just buy them directly from the store. And it was where you know,
all these other issues that game has had, with the five versus five instead
of six versus six still being a controversial and unpopular move, and also the
you know cancelation basically of the PVEE co op mode that was supposed to be
a core pillar of this game still an incredibly sore spot with people. So
yeah, I think it's a lot of people. I mean, look,
and also it's since it's not very different from Overwatch one, you know,
not everyone's gonna play Overwatch for their entire lives yep, right, at some
point, lot of people are going to stop and they have and what was
going to maybe bring them back, maybe something big like a Giant's new uh
co op mode, But we're not getting that. So what are you going
to do instead to drive up those monthly active users something like this? I
guess. Yeah, it's um, it feels like the kind of thing where
people do realize that like, yes, Steam has won that cultural victory,
they are just sitting back and like broadcasting their usefulness, like that they are
not being aggressive and going now and pulling people in, although maybe they are.
Maybe they had conversations. They know they had conversations with EA about Apex
Legends and stuff like that. But I think that I've served more of us
of a reminder of like, hey, it seems to make sense the Apex
Legends should be on Steam. Maybe Valve did the same thing with Overwatch.
I wouldn't be surprised though, if if Activision approached to Steam or Valve and
was like, hey, we would really like this to be on here.
But like I was just been sitting back making Steam as useful as possible,
and then companies like Activision Blizzard are saying, man, we have these games
that need as many players as possible, and we've had we've tapped out everything
we can do without like a major rework of what this game is or how
it works, which probably is still coming or not still coming. It probably
that probably will happen again with Overwatch as they sort of reassess all the changes
they made and maybe do some backs. Mac stepping backpedaling, I mean,
especially in terms of that monetization. But in the meantime, an easy thing
to do is put it on Steam, where there's a lot of people who
are very used to playing big online free to play shooters, and that there's
an audience on Steam and they will probably give this game a shot. It's
I wonder if it's the kind of thing where it'll get a shot, and
if it's not in the best state, maybe people will just glance over it
and not come back to it, or maybe they'll maybe it'll like have multiple
opportunities to win people over being on Steam. Who knows, um. I
mean the obvious question, Mike, is this world of Warcraft come to Steam?
Yeah, that one still feels weird for some reason, but it's you
know, I like, why not at this point if you're pulling, if
you're if you're kind of pulling this chord here right, you're pulling that hair,
just go for it at that point. Why it restricts anything. There's
probably gonna be a little bit of way and see and see how many people
do start flying into Overwatch too. It is weird because Battlent was like this
one that always seems slightly untouchable because it I mean, it's like the one
that predates Steam for one thing, um or just about I think as a
launcher, or at least as if it's not. It's like they kind of
came up at the same time, like basically a predate Steam as we know
it today, right, So that's weird. My real question is, like,
do we ever live in a world what Fortnite is on Steam or do
we actually just get to just straight up actually everything is on Steam again.
I mean, I don't want to say that world's impossible, but that would
have like you know, Epicus said Steam would have to drop their split to
like twelve eighty eight like instead of seventy thirty. So and it doesn't seem
like Valve's going to make that move. They have made some changes to their
split, but they haven't done that, so I don't know. It seems
like Fortnite is probably pretty immune to this, But you're right, there could
be a time in the future where Fortnite is looking for that boost and coming
to Steam would help even Fortnite. I really believe that it would even help
Fortnite, But I guess that is kind of the point though that almost speaks
it seemed desperate because you were not if you're a Blizzard. There are now
these Overwatch two players, Well maybe they are going to just play that game
on Steam now. And then does that mean any micro transaction that they make
on Steam that used to just be money that all just straight went to Activision,
Well now Steam's getting a cut of that. Yes, yes, I
mean that, But I think that's just um like, what is more important
to own one percent of the transaction or to get access to people who are
spending money? And it turns out in the end, having access to people
who are spending money is more important, And it's very hard to get those
people to move to your service if they're already doing that somewhere else. It's
it's it's basically impossible to get them to do that. You can give them
free games like Epic has been doing, and they are still really not actually
getting people to change their behaviors and how they spend money. It is so
difficult to pull off. So, yeah, they give up thirty percent,
Well you know with Overwatch, it'll be twenty percent eventually because it at once
you reach one hundred million dollars spent on your game on Steam Valves, which
is just to take to twenty eighty, so you know they'll they'll get to
that probably pretty quickly. Maybe even who knows, Valve might be giving them
that split right out of the gate because Valve, for Valve, having Overwatch
too yet another big free to play shooter on on Steam is beneficial. So
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case, But also wouldn't be surprised that,
like, no, just get one hundred million, You'll be fine,
You'll get there in no time. That'll happen in like a year or two,
or you know, not even So Yeah, I don't know. I
just think that for Blizzard this you're right to call it desperate because it does
feel a little bit desperate for Overwatch specifically, a game that we know is
in a precarious position, a game that we can tell they are reconsidering in
many ways, they are pulling the plug, you know, not completely on
the Overwatch League, but the Overwatch League as we know it is getting completely
reshaped because they're like, we're either going to shut this thing down or we're
gonna let the teams vote on changing how we're going to operate which sounds like
a lot less money for everyone involved, So what's the even the point?
So yeah, I think they are rethinking every possible thing about it, and
that means that that obviously led them to Steam, which, man, makes
some sense. Remember when Overwatch was like the most celebrated game in the world,
and it seems like every major decision that they had to make our launch,
like Okay, we're gonna focus really big on the East sport scene of
this thing, and then this Overwatch two thing, just in retrospect, two
bad decisions. Yeah, I am, I don't know. I think at
the time we were kind of all yelling like why are you paying so much
attention to the E sports scene and the competitive stuff? But then they invested
big on Overwatch League and people were paying twenty million dollars for Overwatch League franchises,
and it was Okay, I guess how am I supposed to argue this?
I guess this is a real thing, But it never really felt real,
And I think in the end it's like, no, it wasn't.
It was a lot of it was marketing and excitement and that's all there was
to it. And here we are back to reality and Overwatch is now just
yet another shooter, just like any of these other ones. And I think
it's a little bit um boy. That was the time and place we got
to live in that world where Overwatch really was the most important shooter. It
was at the Game of the Year and all these things, and now it
is struggling, like so many of these other lives service games struggle, And
I guess, you know, in the past, it would have just been
like, yeah, that's an old game. We move on from old games
like that, that's how it goes. We just I paid sixty dollars.
I paid fifty dollars for that game. I played it for a while,
and then I played the next one. And now with these live service games,
they do get to a point where it's like they're supposed to be relevant,
but they struggle to remain relevant. And so it's like it's this weird,
long, slow death that makes it feel really awkward and kind of bad,
and it almost taints the memories of the game a little bit. Yeah,
that is the weird thing about it. Like, because Overwatch one was
definitely a game that I loved. If you asked me, like while I
was playing, like, yes, this is one of the best games ever,
is one of my favorite games of all time. But it's like I
can't really play that Overwatch anymore, and it just doesn't feel like that Overwatch
exists to me. So I'm like, well, what are my feelings and
Overwatch now, you know, perception is so much reality and I don't know
if this is on your rundown, but you know, we also have table
before I had this giant launch, you can't a ton of money, and
already that communic community is kind of like mad and pissed off about things,
and like, yeah, they have reasons to be, but you know,
I play the game and I'm like, I still find this fun. But
it's almost like what happened with Halo Infinite, where everyone else is mad.
So somehow that's like leaching into me, not making me mad, but like
putting the vibes off YEP in a weird way and all, but which is
just and that's it's so important that I am just shocked that Blizzard released the
patch that they did for Deal before your first major patch was so much nerfing
and making things slower and harder, which you know, if you're gonna nerve
or do that kind of stuff it might be because the community is out saying,
hey, this thing is a problem. This needs to be nerved to
just go in and for you know, I am a sorceress and to say,
hey, we're gonna nerve sorcerer or slash sorceress. Even though there agrees
it's the worst class in the game. It's like, man, you better
have a really good reason for doing that, or actually there isn't a good
enough reason. Even if you are like, well, our data contradicts them,
it doesn't matter at that point because you cannot afford to make the community
it's visible, because then everything starts to annoy them. Right. It's like
when you it's like when you have that roommate and all of a sudden,
like a switch flips and every little thing like like you know, like oh
they turned the toilet paper around, or like oh they need this my piece
of paper over here. Everything starts pissing you off, Like you go to
the before reddit, Uh, this thing now and that's what it is now.
And I you know, I think I think some people I saw someone
chat Nick say the patch stuff is blunt a proportion. I think it is
a bit also, But it's also why you just like, just just don't
just being greably careful with the stuff. Don't nerve things right before your your
big update when your game is new. Don't get people a reason to turn
sour. Yep it is U you got. I mean, take take your
time with these things. Uh, test them out for longer, be sure
before you do. Like everyone was mostly happy with the OBLO four is how
it felt. Um, I of course I heard some complaints. Those complaints
were like, yeah, I don't know if I want to be in this
end game for as long as it's like I've already played one hundred hours.
I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, that's it's not really that much
of a problem. That's something they could probably deal with now. It just
feels like the narrative is completely changed, completely shifted and gone really bad on
them in an instance. And I really don't know if they have anyone to
blame but themselves over a Blizzard. So I think I think a little rush
to make the changes they want to because season one was coming out, yeah
today, no matter what it's like, well, we have to have a
patch, like, oh, what do we think is going to be best
for the game, And maybe they were able to think about it or test
it as much as they should have. Maybe they just shouldn't have made any
big changes then. I don't know, it's it's weird. In the meantime,
Microsoft and Activision reportedly negotiating deal extension as deadline nears. This is you
know that that story is never going to end. It feels like here it
is yet again getting extended. Microsoft and Activision negotiating an extension to their merger
agreement, which expired on July eighteenth. If the deal falls through, Microsoft
would have to pay three billion dollars for a termination fee, but instead they
have pushed it out to October eighteenth, and that's when that's the new the
new the new final date um. If it falls through by then, at
that point they'd have to pay it seems like that's probably not going to happen.
The only thing standing in the way at this time is the UK's CMA,
which is the equivalent of their FTC, and they are having conversations right
now to submit a new agreement from Microsoft to the CMA to see if they
can get approval. And uh, the CMA says it needs to run you
know, research and studies on the new agreement the new proposal from Microsoft,
but they will probably do that a little bit quicker and this will probably go
through. Um and while while all that is happening, uh, just everything
else their microsoems like Microsoft is lining up everything else. Uh. That includes
a commitment from PlayStation to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation systems for the next
ten years. This is a binding commitment, legally binding, so they're gonna
have to stick to it. Um. Yeah, I don't know. We've
talked this thing to death, Mike. Why don't you see the other development
a couple of hours ago. I don't know, Maybe maybe not. I've
been kind of busy. What's at the FTC officially hitting the brakes? Oh
I did not see that? No, yeah, take a look. So
did they cat Bailey at ig and the FTC hits the brakes on xboxes active
Vision Blizzard merger trials set for August. It's prospects of blocking xboxes Activision Blizzard
merger dimming. The FTC is seeing the brakes on its trials coach for August.
Blah blah blah. So yeah, I mean I didn't read this intensively.
I saw a little bit of the CHEDDA on Twitter, but it seems
like maybe the FTC is done. Yeah, maybe they are finally like waving
the white flag here a little bit. So Yeah, in the last week
week and half, we might have talked about this in some of these some
of other podcasts, but just a quick recap, FTC lost case for the
preliminary injunction to halt the deal while they had had a case happening in August.
Uh. Then they peeled that to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that
that court also denied the motion. Um, So the FTC was like,
Okay, well we're gonna go through the thing in August. And uh.
In the meantime, Microsoft and Activision requested that the FTC basically shut down the
case and not go through with it. And that felt like, oh,
that's probably not gonna work. It sounds like the FTC is like, this,
is it maybe a chance to ballow a little bit more gracefully than what
probably would have happened in August, which would not have would have knock gone
their way and it would have been especially embarrassing because the trial in August was
going to happen basically in FTC's own court, like they have their own like
judge, and even that judge was probably not going to side with them,
and so that would have been especially embarrassing for it for the Harlem Globetrotters losing
a game exactly, losing at home and uh and always home for that's exactly.
Uh the FTC um has been facing scrutiny, you know, from a
lot of Republicans on Capitol Hill, and it's like, well, whatever they
are, they're always going to be against a democratic, democratically led uh FTC.
But they probably don't want the headache of another loss in the headlines or
something like that. So that makes some sense. Um, the FTC was
all like this deal was going to go through in the United States no matter
what at this point, because they were they were gonna be able to close
it before the FEC was gonna be able to do think about it, say
gay miss wanting something about like like Joe Biden and the FTC like had new
regulations or something. Yeah, there's Yesterday the White House and the FTEC put
out new guidance on mergers in the United States and it's a list of new
rules excuse me, and it's a it's like a few dozen things, a
few dozen points, bullet points, and it's things like um mergers cannot continue,
a trend toward consolidation in an industry, and things along those lines.
Do you think do you think that there Do you think this is in response
to those rumors about Apple buying Disney? Do you think that's what that's about.
I think it's about all of this stuff. I think it's about this
case they just lost. I think it's about big companies like that. Yes,
and I think it's actually happened. That seems actually sinister and weird.
That has enough money to do anything. Well, I don't have enough money
to do it, but legally bizarre that Disney was able to just buy a
million things and then all of a sudden be like oh stuff, and then
like, I mean, it's so for a trillion dollars, legally Apple would
probably get close. It would be tough. That's the problem is it's it's
a vertical merger, not a horizontal merger, and horizontal mergers are like if
Activision bought EA, like that would be difficult. Apple is, it does
make some content, but Apple is a hardware manufacturer, a computer hardware manufacturer
buying an entertainment company and that's vertical, and they would probably recording to the
old rules, they would probably be able to get away with it. So
I think, yeah, the FTC looking at that, they probably are considering
that one feels so off and like, yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry.
It's just incredible that that Disney could like have twenty years of just ridiculous
like on top of the worldness everywhere, like things go bad for like a
year and it's just like, well, I guess Gables like, oh oh
good, I'm glad Disney's gonna get taken down a peg. Maybe they'll just
be like make me know, be mediocre for a while. That's not even
allowed anymore. No, it's not, it is not allowed. It is
um it's like they're investor revolts would happen and you'd have um of these investors
who would come and try to take over and do do hostile takeovers and try
to get the board you served in all these things, and it would just
be this whole mess and yeah, it's not allowed here. So here's what
Okay, here's here's our question. Because you know, I'm not necessarily as
you know, so so pol Bruno so excited to say capitalism as bad as
like as you are sure I think this, um, I think the stock
market thing, I don't know you call that is bad. It's inherently tied
to capitalism. Can we have a capitalism without this whole ridiculous you could buy
shares a company thing? Right? So I think what you're looking for is,
like, what is the tool that makes most of this stuff go around?
That's the good part of it, and that is markets. You can
have markets without all of this a lot of this other stuff like Jeff do
it. Yeah, absolutely, there are like markets are a tool, they're
not They're not magic. They're not it's not the visible hand of the market.
It's not magic. It is a good tool for accomplishing the means or
the ends of Uh. We have a limited amount of resources. What is
the best way to distribute those resources? Well, a market is a good
way of doing that, and that you don't even have to have money involved
with that. There are um like food banks they're like, well, we
have like five thousand pounds of canned corn and we're not we we want to
exchange this to someone else. And instead of just being like someone calling someone
up, be like I have a bunch of corn, I want to just
exchange it for your rice or whatever. What they do is they put it
up on a market there and they exchange it for points with other food banks,
and this enables them to efficiently distribute this stuff. Like markets are very
good. Um, once you start getting into financial tools about moving money around
and and and all these other and yes, and capitalism and always having to
grow. Uh, that is inherently tied to capitalism, and that is not
going. Yeah, that is the poison that poisons everything else. Absolutely.
Uh, we can't just be you know, even everything has to get bigger.
And then if they don't get bigger for a couple of years in a
row, it's like, what's time to sell exit? Everyone freak out.
And that's what's happening with a lot of these great companies. Incredible. Uh
Okay, let's see here. Camp said, I had a three dal growing
up. I'm an elite quiet Jadi just jealous. You're just jealous that I
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Proletariat. That's right, exactly, that's the pled game. Xbox Live Gold
is being discontinued and replaced with Xbox Game Pass Corps. Xbox Live Gold is
being replaced by Xbox Game Pass Corps on September fourteenth for ten dollars per month
or sixty dollars per year, same price as Xbox Live Gold. It includes
online multiplayer gaming, a library of twenty five plus games that our selection of
Xbox Live Game Pass or excuse me, Xbox Game Pass games, and exclusive
membership deals. Gold end September first. Xbox three sixty games redeemed via Games
with Gold will remain in players libraries, but otherwise Games with Gold is coming
to an end. This feels like mostly a lateral move. It feels like
rebranding more than anything else. This is something you said was going to happen
a long time ago. This is one that Xbox Killer would bring up,
like he said Games of Gold was going away, and then he would like
say something for two more months before accidentally saying something like snobbish or racist exactly.
So yeah, this was always on the roadmap. They were looking for
way to do it and make it makes sense. I don't know if it
makes a lot of sense right now, Mike, because okay, yeah,
yeah, because all my multiplayers including in this at ten dollars per month.
If you go up to eleven dollars per month, then you don't get online
multiplayer, but you do get full game pass. It's weird. I don't
know how Microsoft can make really make that feel like it makes sense. Yeah,
I'm surprised. I mean, is it because they're increasing the price a
game pass soon and they're just maybe they're going to sneak that in by having
a fifteen dollars game pass plus online multiplayers here and maybe that's like you had
another tier, right so, I don't know, you get rid of this
hard. I don't know. Yeah, it's because when I first looked at
it, I was like, okay, this makes sense. I didn't realize
that that eleven dollars, a twelve dollars whatever a game pass here doesn't have
game pass console is what it's called Xbox game pass console. Yes, so
your name for the tier. Yeah, it's bizarre. It seems overly complicated.
I don't know. I mean, part of me thinks it's it's a
kind of wild though that you have to pay for the privilege to play your
video games online on these service. That seems like a relic. I mean,
it was a grift. It is. It's a graft. It is
then, But I mean the moment like PlayStation was like announcing all these four
hundred dollars PlayStation, you gotta pay for all my months player now, and
everyone's cheering because it's like they're all excited about the console and not realizing like
they're also like they're going to need to pay way more in the long run
because now you get to play for online multiplayer. But they got away with
it. These companies are not going to give that back. Yeah, not
at all. So I kind of stuck with it. And they do give
it back, it's gonna be some desperate reason. Right now. It's it's
bizarre. It seems strange. But you know, I'm not too sad about
Xbox Live Gold going away, per se. I'm not gonna wist those free
games. I never redeemed them anymore. And that list of free games you
just get is probably good enough for most people. There's a lot of good
games in there, so whatever, that's fine. At least, you know,
at the end it really feels like those lower tiers only exist to remind
you why you should get Ultimate, because if you do, if you think
about it, if you get Xbox Game Path Console because you only have an
Xbox, you don't have a PC, and you're like, okay, and
but I also want to play some of these games online multiplayer, so then
I'm gonna get Xbox Live Gold as well. Well, you're already paying more
than Ultimate, so why not just get Ultimate? But now it's like you
don't even have that option at that point because you're gonna have to get one
of these other tiers that does have online multiplayer involved, So you can't stay
on Xbox Game Pass Console no matter what if you want online multiplayer. So
it's just like, I guess I'm just going up to Ultimate now, which
of course most people probably made that decision naturally because it was cheaper. But
it's like, you know, now, now Microsoft's just like kind of moving
people up. That's here in a more I guess somewhat for more friendly way.
But it is very confusing and as people in chatter playing out, I
mean, you can look at the dates and figure out what they're what's happening
here? This is lining up with the launch of Starfield. They must feel
I bet that game is tracking strongly enough at this point that they're like,
any big changes we're making, we need to make right now, because when
Starfield is here, that's all anyone's going to talk about, and people are
going to do what it takes to play that game, and we need to
have make sure that the future of what Xbox game pass an Xbox as an
ecosystem looks like needs to be established now and then as we bring in all
the activission stuff it can fit in wherever it needs to fit in. That
sounds right to me, and Starfield probably is going to be that big I'm
really excited for Starfield. Yeah, I'm getting I'm really every time I like
that was one of the most effective like showcases for a video game I've ever
seen one of those conferences. I've watched that that thing. I know some
people watched a bunch of times. I've watched it three times, which is
a lot for me. It's a lot for an hour long exactly so,
and it's every time I'm like, God, it really does look promising.
Um And and I'm in a place with those the games where even if It's
like I like the bad ones, yeah exactly, and bad ones, and
I like like it because I know that the I know for sure the modding
support is going to be there, so I'm gonna be able to make it
whatever I want. And uh yeah, and the fact that they have this
big canvas to work with is just just that much more exciting to me.
All Right, let's see hear a couple more stories from twenty twenty seven onwards.
New video game handhelds may have to have a removable battery. This is
due to new EU regulation that says in twenty twenty seven, all electronic devices,
including gaming handhelds, have to have easily removable batteries. This may affect
new Switch, Steam Deck and rog ally successors. The regulation aims to strength
and sustainability rules or batteries and waste batteries. I think I'm a big fan
of this Mike. I like my I like rechargeable devices. But whenever I
get a new one and I see that the batteries sealed in there, I'm
like, well, in a couple of years, two three years, this
thing's battery life is going to be so miserable. It's this thing's basically going
to be useless, and that's not always true. Sometimes they surpass that,
but that's straight where my mind goes. So easily accessible replaceable batteries is a
big thumbs up for me, and especially for these handheld gaming devices that might
not be playing my Steam Deck in a couple of years, but I can
easily see a world in which I pass it down to someone else, and
when I do that, I would like to replace the battery and then hand
it onto them. That's say replaceable batteries Euler. I mean like we're gonna
be using triple A and double as or like we're gonna be able to like
okay, no, So what they defined it as is it could be a
lithium ion rechargeable battery, but you have to be able to replace it by
just basically using commonly accessible tools like a screwdriver. It can't be torques.
It can't be some like proprietary tool that you need to get unless the company
ships the system with that tool and then and then the battery itself. Can't
be hardwired in. It can't be glued in like a lot of batteries are
these days. A lot of batteries are hard glued into the systems and ripping
them mouseplace the watch battery in my Sega Saturn because it died exactly. Yes,
yeah, so and now that is um, those kinds of batteries were
probably that they know they're gonna probably be exempt from this and stuff like that.
But um, I think for the most part, like I love I
love the idea of the dual sense, but like I want to be able
to replace the battery eventually in there easily. I will do the work for
these dual senses when it comes to that. But I'm you know, I
do have the tools. I have an I fix It kit. I'll just
go grab them, I'll pop it open, I'll rip the battery out and
replace it. I would like it if it was a lot easier. So
I think this is a good move. I think it's especially good. This
is going to apply to phones, right because that's where it really It feels
like my battery and my iPhone after the first like six months, like efficiency
drops by half for some reasons. Yeah, and it's um, you know,
I used to have older Android phones where it's just you slide the back
off. I don't know, I don't know if iPhones that wherever like this
this way, I think they were. But for my old Android phones,
you just slid the plastic back off. You could take the battery out whenever
and replace it with another one. A lot of phones I would like I
would buy two batteries and I'd be like, Okay, we're gonna want a
long trip, I'm gonna bring both batteries and I'll just swap it in half
halfway through the day when this battery is about to die. And that was
really cool. And then they stopped doing that obviously, and I would really
like for that to return. That would be very cool, Okay, last
couple of stories. Sega CEO Satobi said that the Sega Saturn is a difficult
console to turn to a mini console because of its complex hardware. Sorry miss
spoke. Sega president Yukio Sugino says a Sega Saturn mini console it's difficult to
make due to its high performance and cost sagas at least too many consoles so
far, and surveyed customers about which console they'd like to see next. Saturn
definitely pops up there. I think Dreamcast is the more popular option. It
also would be the easier one because the Saturn emulation, for as much as
it's improved over the years, still much more difficult than Dreamcast emulation. Yeah,
and Dreamcasts, even though like I think it overall sold worse and definitely
had less a shorter lifespan, there is still an affinity for that thing.
I mean, there's going to be a Hallmark Christmas ornament for the Dreamcast this
holiday. Yep. Right, there's still just a lot of warm feelings about
the dream Cast. It's a fantastic system. Of course, I would really
like a Saga Saturn many of the I get the challenges, but there are
so many games that are still just stuck on that system, like a Burning
Rangers, like a Panzer Dragoon Saga or you know, I know it had
a Panzer Dragoon remake, but the original Panzer Dragoon or just Panzer Dragoons.
Why in any shape, The Clockwork, Night Games, the Bug Games,
Dragon Force, just a ton of amazing games that are very very Saga Saturn
and nowhere else. Yeah, And I think the reality is is they probably
can pull this off. They probably can make a Saturn work. But it
is both those factors right that the Dreamcast seems more popular than a Saturn would
be and the Saturn is a little bit more difficult, so maybe the microprocessor
they'd have to use, the chip set they'd have to use, would be
a little bit more expensive. And it's like that might be enough to convince
them to just skip over the Saturn and go right to the Dreamcast. And
I could easily see them do ye for now, do the Dreamcast one,
and then hey, like if that does well, and hopefully it does,
you know, maybe cider and stuff will get a little bit easier. Hopefully
they do a Saturn one. I mean ideally, what what you do is
you do with the Dreamcast one, and maybe you use a system on a
chip that is that could do Saturn, and you buy enough for the Dreamcast
that it reduces the cost, and then you can make a second purchase that
is that you can use for the Saturn. Once that makes more sense.
Um, people are saying, hey, they should do Siga CD and stuff
like that. They did that. That's that's that's the Genesis Mini two.
That two has Sega CD games. I don't think it has thirty two X.
I don't know if it has thirty two X. Sega CD don't be
a third one at some play you can play Carey B or whatever. Yea
exactly, Knuckles chaotics, sure, why not? GameCube and we emulator Dolphin
is no longer coming to Steam. The Dolphin emulator no longer coming to Steam
due to Nintendo's DMCA takedown request. The emulator included the wee common key We
talked about this, which Nintendo claims is copyrighted material because it almost certainly is.
Nintendo has a history of taking legal action against emulators, and Dolphin may
struggle to win this particular battle, so they are not even going to try.
They've said that it's just it's going to be impossible to bring at the
Steam, which oh well, like, oh well yeah, I don't know
why. I don't know why they even tried. That's why they put this
start. I mean again, it's like, you know, Steve, you
get you put something on Steam, person shales more legitimate, you get,
you do get more attention, and that might help in the long run of
like getting more support and making sure that that's all the stuff to all this
work you're doing is worthwhile. But if it's going to draw the eye of
Nintendo, you just gotta you just gotta bow out and people will still find
Dolphin. They will still Dolphin's going to be just fine. Dolphin is definitely
the one emulator I expect to survive the apocalypse, Like, people will find
a way to preserve Dolphin. I thought you meant like a like an if
you meant like a hypothetical like emulator apocos that was coming or something. You
mean like me about the actual apocalypse, Like I will keep that ship on
a USB drive and bring it with me into the waistlines. Um, yeah,
I'm not not too surprising, but oh well, I mean retro Arch
still is on Steam, which is weird. Look, it just has those
dog people like, yeah, you did it with the GameCube. You're there
pretty much. But you guys make as out an EMU later. Yeah,
can you do that? Would that be a fun jot? I bet you
can't. I don't know. I bet you can't even do it. I
don't think you can. There you go right, oh yeah, yeah,
let's see. Uh that does it for the big news I want to talk
about. We did get super chats and people probably have other things we want
to talk about, But first min bec is there anything else that we missed
that you want to bring up? I think that's pretty good. Jeff,
I think we h. You mentioned long stuff, you mentioned the Diablo stuff
and stuff which and I think they said they wanted to do like a developer
like diary or something tomorrow to talk about the stuff. It sounds like a
system going to try to explain why they did, which that only ever makes
things worse. Yep, if you explain to people why what the way they
think it should be done is wrong. Uh, I don't know. It's
like like the way people want things done is wrong, but their complaints aren't
wrong. So people are going to vindicated in continuing to complaining because they almost
certainly all are right about what is wrong with the game. But anytime anyone
suggest about how the like the right way to do it, that is almost
certainly also wrong. So it's like a lose lose, Like you put yourself
in that situation, and you're gonna have to hear people out or encourage the
community to get feedback in the places where they get feedback, and then they're
going to feel like they're being ignored, even though you just came out and
said you were directly listening to them. So it's it's a tough situation to
put yourself. Then well we'll see. I suppose maybe it's better than nothing,
but I guess we'll say fight out for sure tomorrow. Yeah, it's
like, because now the season started, I don't know if they can I
don't think a patch again. Maybe they're gonna say, hey, we're gonna
reverse. So in the most I guess someone mentioned that, I don't know
how patch went up today. Have you played it? I don't know how
the patches, just the release basically of the first season. There was one
thing they reverted, which was like they level gated the World three, World
Tier threeer in World Tier four that they're reverted, and like something else was
just a bug in terms of a currency not dropping as much, but like
like the nerves to a lot of the classes and the slower leveling in general.
I don't I don't know if they're going to revert that doesn't seem like
it. I think they're going to try to tell us why they think those
are good things actually, and I think that's gonna go over very poorly.
That Diabel team is just so much like that thing. Tomorrow is going to
be one A is this an out of season April fool joke moment for them,
it's just not going to be consists. Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see how that goes. At least at least I don't think it's live.
I don't think they're taking questions. Maybe they just think they're taking questions.
They're not gonna be taking questions. But just like that stuff will that
energy will come to the redd, the energy will be in the forum,
and they will be energized by the energy. Yeah, energy, Brabby food.
All right, Mike, we have some super chats. Why don't we
get to these and then we'll take a quick break and then we'll get to
our games for the night. Big Fresh thirty seven says, Gang Gang ice
Cream so good. Big Jimbo Ryan says blizzards as desperate as I am?
How desperate am I so desperate? I traded iconic places. Should mascots like
crash Bandicoot for Call of Duty? Help me? Popcorn Emoji Gigi smiley face.
Also, we'll call Benji Glaskey re up their membership to Lincoln Status.
Thank you, Benjie Glasky. Big Jima Ryan also said ice bank mice elf,
Did I get him? Got him? If I did? Does Jim
Ryan having a stroke. What is that we are watching Jim Ryan die before
a very honest everybody enjoy Is he doing the MPC thing? I don't know
what? Thank oh Ice Bank myce elf? Did I get him? I
thank my elf? Oh? I mean, look, I'll just admit to
spaking thing. Of course, I do think this is Jim Jim podcast?
Do you think this is? Char Wolf says you guys are currently tied for
Pickman for Metacritic scores. I believe you got an eighty eight. You guess
in eighty seven? I guess the eighty nine. Ye, well, Jeff
got the point for Exo Primal because they doubt Exo Primal gets to an eighty
on Metacritic. I think you gave it like a low eighty. I gave
it a slightly higher eighty. You know, like okay, so like you
like you seem really like extra problem everyone you play it with did and everyone
else. Yeah, it's like a sixty six on Metacritic. I I don't
know. I play the game, and it's fun to play. What can
I do about that? I think that there are people who maybe are like
Capcom only makes the kinds of games I like now and then they plays a
problem of be like, this is a live service game. I don't like
that kind of game. I'm mad. I don't want to like reduce it
to that, but that's the way it feels like to me, because like
the modes keep getting interesting, and I mean, maybe if you play it
for twenty hours, maybe like are you going on the other side of it?
And it kind of where's that it's welcome. I just for me,
it's like a game pass game that you can play with friends and have a
good time with pretty easily, which I think was evident evidenced by the upf
that we did for it's a pretty big win. I think it's a fun,
good game. I'm not calling it like a ninety. I'm not saying
it's a five out of five. It's definitely one percent for me, a
three out of five, And I know that translates to sixty on that scale,
but that's not what I mean. It means I like it, but
I would probably I might be one to go to four out of five if
I give it more time. And I still feel this way about it.
So you apparently said a seventy nine. I said an eighty for that one,
So you're going to get that point though, So there you could take
comfort in that, I guess, ol grug says, y'all check out those
tenth anniversary apit Do controls. Got the FC forty pro in today and it
looks dope. Man. I just I got enough controls right now. I
controllers, you know. I basically I have this, uh the Starfield XBO
controller, and I love. That's basically everything I need for like PC gaming
or like anything that's not like just straight up like you know, like I
see one of their control would uses the PlayStation for PlayStation games, or I
like this apit Do for like playing places. I know, but have you
seen this ad F forty limit editions? This christ, it looks good.
Listen. I do prefer the NS to the FAMI com except for maybe this.
This looks so good. It's like got the gold analog sticks, It's
got the UM the one and the two on it, uh for like the
one player and two player. Oh shit, hey, it looks really fucking
hot. I might I might reach out to them and see if they want
to send me some. That's a nice looking controller. And I don't have
an ultimate from them yet. I mean boy, the ultimate is the one
I use as my primary controller both on PC and switch. Yeah, but
that is still just this. I just bought this for like nine dollars.
Yeah, sure, sure, I would say if you need a controller for
your switch, then then get one because it could turn on your switch by
shaking, which is fantastic. Well that you're shaking. I'm fine with this
or my switch. Okay, enough ro Yeah, I have a I have
a real hard time for give me my Pro because I got the very first
generation of the Pro with that atrocious dpad with the false diagonals. That just
drove me insane. So I'm like, no, ape but dough from here.
I know they fixed it. I don't give a fuck. I don't
want to even look at my Pro controller. Okay. Next one is from
Baba is me. He says, have you heard anything about the Plucky Squire
and if it is still in schedule to come out this year? Thanks for
always providing great content, and thank you, Baba. How about a Jeff
he ereythining about Plucky Squire. No, I haven't been like looking for it
though, I mean, I'm just kind of just like hoping we'd hear something
about it. Yeah, we're still it's July. We'll hear about quite a
few months. There's a lot of time for that kind of game. I
hope it comes out this year. I think it looks very good. Chris
says, are you guys picking up those place those Spider Man two PlayStation five
face plates? No, I was gonna say, let me guess. Fuck,
No, It's what I thought you would say. Mike's Mike is not
a coward. He loves he's PS five exactly the way it is. I
don't know if there's a bigger PlayStation five design apologists than I. Yes,
I don't think there is not touching it. I we are criminal and I
really like those the look of it. I'm glad that they are not just
selling it as a special list in PS five. They're selling the face plates
separately. That's very cool. And I'm with Mike. I am not a
coward. I'm sticking with my white places. Yeah, watch a place.
I mean, if you made one that bits just looked like a place to
five, but like had a picture of an astrobot on it, maybe I
get Oh, yeah, we'll sure, Yeah, I would. I'm not
saying I'm completely against the designs. I just think they tried to make it
look too cool, and that's not what I want. I want to be
what it looks like. Big Fresh thirty seven says shadow Run. What's shadow
run? Shadow Run? The servers got turned back on and fixed. That's
right, that's right. I got confused because I just watched like a video
about the seas shadow Run. I was like, are you reading my mind?
What's going on here? You know a video? I watched a six
hour of the history of video games. And what's really frustrating is I can't
stop watching it. But I don't think it's said a single thing that I
didn't know already. And I'm like, am I just doing this because it
like reinforces things? I like? Am I that sad? Like? I
assume it's a second screen thing for you right sitting there only watching that.
That's exactly. It's nice. It's it's nice, exactly. Yeah. Daraci
says could a Microsoft own activision be cool enough to put StarCraft sixty four on
nso? Uh, that would be very cool, that funny? Why it'd
be funny? And why not? That'd be the kind of that would be
a fun BEng of stream because we've both be able to see what the other
person is doing that split screen. I've played that game exactly once with a
friend and we played a whole match and it was it was a good time.
Um, I would like to maybe try that again. Yeah, I
think it. Sean's bringing it up to Actually saw some on the eight bit
do site, but they have a Neil Geo wireless control and that perks my
attention. Yeah, it looks really good. I think. I'm like,
I think I'm entering my neo geo phase. Like I've been playing Neo turf
Master. Yeah, I been feeling kind of a neo geoey recently. Maybe
we'll see some neo geos at this uh that console thing I want to I'm
like with some I man, I wonder how much Neo turf Masters machine would
call it? Think it's I think, well, it's not a machine,
it's it's always the boar tridge. Yes, I know you think it's very
expensive. I believe. Uh see next one he is from Dominic Harman h
Karrca was one of the first games I ever played. I'm old, so
I feel seen what making of would you want for one of the first games
you played? Well, so I started with the NES generation. I mean,
I don't know it's weird because I like, I'm trying to think,
but I don't know how many of them would be interesting. I guess I
would like a really in depth making of of Mega Man, and yet I
also am not that curious about I think I know how they made Mega Man,
you know, in some sense of the word. I don't know if
you have like an amazing answer for this. No, I like, well,
like what making of would you went for one for the one of the
first games you played? Um? No, because it's like, yeah,
the stuff I played was very popular. I mean I wouldn't hate, like,
hey, here's how we figured out duck Hunt and all this stuff,
but yeah, like almost all of it would be pretty cool. Yeah,
And I don't know if there's like anything, well, I'm like, well
that would just be the most interesting thing. Like you know, Metroid wont
to be interesting. I guess like that'd be neat. Yeah, I'm I'm
I'm like getting very hot and heavy about gunplaya Ukoi. So I think any
of his early things game and Watch would be one I would really like to
hear more about. I barely I didn't even really had one, a friend
had one, and I like touched it barely once. Uh So it's not
really in the spirit of this question, um, but I would like to
hear like him coming up with the game and watch and his thinking and then
kind of maybe the lineage from that to the game Boy, because the game
Boy, even in the two they thought the game Boy sucked the stablished things
like what are we doing with this thing? And then they put it out.
Of course it conquered the world, and I love that and that makes
me just like Gunplay YOKOI knew what he was doing more than anyone else,
Like he defined what the world that we live in is it. We live
in gun Play Yoko's world basically, and I would like a lot of history
on him. Luke Ge says, as a fellow, Ohio and Detroit got
Robo Cup, Boston and Vegas got Fallout. New York City in La got
GTA. What series should Ohio get law to truck Out? RoboCop? Boston,
Vegas we get anything? I know, Like I mean, like you
know, West Virginia's basically Ohio, so we got Fallout as well. Yeah,
fallow Fall also goes to Pittsburgh sometimes, but that's very close but not
quite. They're really skirting around Ohio. Yeah, and we were like in
the area that's not really the appellation part of Ohio, which is like what
they're what they're dealing with over there. Uh yeah, I don't know.
Uh, Farming Simulators is six. Yeah, there's there's really nothing Trucking Simulator
does like state by state expansions. I'll take the Ohio expansion for Trucking Simulator.
There you go. I like it. Okay, next one here is
from Sleepy Dad. Have y'all heard anything about Wonder Woman as the reception to
Suicide Squads Live service stuff changed anything about wonder World's Wonder World Wonder Women's development.
I don't know. Sue was so no, I'm probably not because,
like, wonder Woman can just be Batman, right, it can just be
an Arkham Asylum game. But with Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad was trying to
be something different and people don't want different in that direction. They wanted another
Batman game. So I think that Wonder Woman is the safe bet compared to
the Suicide Squads attempts to do, like to change up the formula. Ali
Miracle says excited for some Fancy fourteen News next week with fan Fest and Mikey
I am. I mean, I assume it might be time to at least
talk about the next expansion, which is crazy, but like it will be
two years this uh this uh fall already is that out in the Vegas?
That's a Vegas. That's a thing. Like I'm a little bum because I
could have gone when they invited me, and I like it was just this
is hard to like travel again, this summer thing, and like as much
as I loved Fancy fourteen, it's like definitely my like, you know,
my favorite game. Never mind, now I'm going to packs. Okay,
So if you want to try to make that happen, yes, I gotta
look into that. I know, I understand. Just if you if you
can, Yeah, we're doing like a bunch of stuff four packs, So
if you want to come and like be part of our panel, that'd be
cool. I'm just and like we'll see. Maybe we can fte Robo Mitch
and background, maybe get them to fight on stage and we'll see. Yeah,
but yeah, like there's gonna be a part of means It's like I
could have been at this fan fest and didn't, so I'm gonna feel like
a little bit fomo on it. And I don't mean fear of mitching out.
I mean, I don't even mean fear of missing out. I'm gonna
mean missing out on that one. But I am definitely excited to see because
like we don't really know where the next expansion is going to go for fourteen,
so that's gonna be a lot of fun. Uh Air Miss Bearmis has
been watching the podcast more and more and you both have been great. Well,
thank you very much, Eric, Thank you so much. Sis.
That's awesome. I appreciate it. Thank you. Did you get uncharted Wolves
No, I skipped it accidentally, and I appreciate you reminding me and charl
Wives's classic Call of d Coming Back is my game of the year favorite Call
of Duty Um, I mean, I think I think Modern Warfare one is
certainly the one. I like. Think back off the Mosque. It was
a time where it didn't feel like Called Duty was. It was big,
but it wasn't like it's almost own thing. It felt like, like,
you know, the hardcore game or quote unquote was just as happy to play
it as the Call of Duty Bros. Which wasn't really a thing yet yep.
So, like you know, it was like, yeah, one game
of the year everywhere and everything. It was like prestigious, So it was
a lot of fun to play it, and it was all very new and
exciting. But other than that, Advanced Warfare was like the only one sort
of post that that I put any significant time into. Yep. But what
Modern Warfare Call of Duty four is my answer too, Although you know,
I love Modern Warfare two, and I have fond memories of World at War
Black Ops one, Bottom Warfare three, Black Ops two to a certain extent,
and then Advanced Warfare to yes, and then kind of after that it
does that's when it really drops off after that one. A big Infinite Warfare
fan, I didn't spend much time with Infinite Warfare, although I always try
to play the campaign in it seems like a real good roller coaster of a
time, and I never stick with it, and I'm like, I should
just play that on stream sometime or something. There you go, Yeah,
it's weird, like there's just all these campaigns that'd be fun to be interesting
steam things, just like or stream thing. I'm just gonna play through the
campaign exactly, and yeah, all right, that's it with the super test
for now. If you guys want to send more, we will read them
before the end of the show. But we got some games that get to
but at first I think we need a little breaky break. We're gonna take
a quick break. When we get back, we are going to be doing
those games. We're gonna do a Metacritic Closest to the Pen and we are
going to pick the best game of nineteen ninety six or the best five games,
So look out for that. I wonder, what's Canady number one?
Be right back and we are back. My understanding is we are going to
play a game of some sort and to do that, I hand the show
over to Turbo Sean. Wait, have a game first. How many Margarita
pills do you think are in the US? I'm gonna say, let's let
me go. If there's a funy video everybody's sharing. There's one in Cleveland
that makes me think that there's got to be at least twenty and I'm gonna
say twenty two, twenty four by my council. Okay, damn all right,
I'm right there. It's like I was gonna say, like one per
every two state, but they haven't quite gotten that far, so yeah,
right, but basically are there there's like a ton in Florida and stuff like
that. Oh that makes sense. Yeah, I was just on average because
like they're not gonna put one. Okay, it definitely seems to be what
are the more random was and I'm a big fan of that. Yes,
three too. I think we need to personally see to it that it stays
in business, Mike, So, yes, that's right, making a big
the go to spot for fans of the game mess all right, the Cleveland
Maugerita vill specifically to sponsor. Yes, we should. We should do a
fan meet up there, like like really like playing something like that at some
point. And I don't know when it would make sense, but we should
try to make it happen. Uh, Sean, this show is now yours
go. My thunder has been thoroughly stolen. Yes, thank you for that.
We are back once again when something we haven't done it a little bit.
It has been hot. Second, we had our stuff to do,
but we are backward. Closest to the Messy Pin Volume twelve presented by Me
Turbo Sean, powered by Metacritic, executivelytic. Excuse me of course, yeah,
she disclosure. Yes, I'm gonna do the shot. Well, Sean
explains the rules. Oh, he's actually getting up audio listeners. That's great.
He's doing a shot. He's doing a shot. Is going is?
What is up with him? This isn't, honestly one of the most disconcerting
things I've ever seen. Mike do he went to the dispensary today or something?
What's going on? It might be high alright, alright, alright,
anyway, as he requested, Yes, since we haven't done it in one,
Ll explained the full rules. Every round, the boys will be given
a certified retro game that is older than ten years for anyone doesn't know.
The goal here is to protect the games of Metacre score as a stands on
metacre dot com. We will be using a closest to the pin scoring system
aka golf rules. You want to be the lowest score at the end of
the game. You want to be as close as possible to the score.
In order do so, if you guess the exact number, instead of getting
zero points, you will have five points deducted from your TOL score. Does
that make sense to everyone? Makes sense to me? Yeah? What doesn't
make sense to me is Jefferson Bourbon. I know quite a bit about Thomas
Jefferson. That man drink wine. He was not much for spirits of this
nature. Yeah, but like he's not the only Jefferson. Yeah. Well,
to be clear, there's a giant picture of him on the back.
Yeah. But maybe it's like, you know, his cousin is just like
a big fan. This is like him a huntering him or something. Oh
my god, Okay, you had to power through this. Shown. Game
number one is Call of Duty two, released on the Xbox three sixty November
seventeenth, two thousand and five, based on sixty five critic reviews. I
actually can't remember whose turn is to go first, So I just flipped a
coin and Alpha Beta Mic, you'll be picking first. Yeah, yeah,
Called Duty two. I remember it was like a standout hit from that launch
period, but still not like what Called Duty would become obviously, So I
was saying eighty five for Call of Duty two. Eighty five from Mikey there
got it. I remember that Call of Duty one was like almost game of
the year material on PC, like it was like a big thing, and
then, uh, I think Called Duty two mostly maintained a lot of that
energy. So I'm gonna go within eighty seven eighty seven for Jeff there,
and Call of Duty two is sitting at an eighty nine. People liked it,
Yes, they really didn't want thought they really liked pretty much every Call
of Duty. I think maybe Big Red one was like not quite as love
that can't. Yeah, I remember that one being a little cooler. Yeah,
like that one felt like one where they were first, like for time,
they were really rushing. Yeah, unless it was a weird one like
black ops to classify, usually it does pretty well, right, Okay,
so Mike was four points off there, Jeff was two points off. Jeff
has a lower score, which means he is leading going into game number two.
Crash Bandicoot three warped at least for the original PlayStation October thirty first,
nineteen ninety eight, twelve critic reviews, which seems I guess a little low.
But it is an older game, so it's just the package. He's
been even ninety eight. There would have been online stuff that is low.
That's weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um, I don't know.
I remember all the N sixty four websites. I don't remember all the PlayStation
websites. At that time game spot in IG just game spot any where,
they still UND sixty four document. They were probably IGN sixty four dot com
by ninety Yeah. I think they were just straight ed by gn already by
that point even but maybe maybe and wrong. Who can say? Nobody knows.
Um, let's see, this is tough for me. I was never
a crash bandicoot guy. Um, so this is mostly a stab in the
dark. But I'm gonna imagine that, uh, they got better and better
at making these over there at Naughty It's Naughty Dog, right, um Jesus
Christ. Yes, yeah, listen, I'm just a brain fart. Um.
I'm gonna say it's an eighty eighty six eighties six Okay, Yeah,
I think they'd get better. I think this is still a lot of people,
maybe a lot of people's favorite. There might be a little fatigue,
but I still think probably high eighties is right. I will say eighty eight.
Okay, going a little bit higher the score we go. Okay,
Well, crash bandard who three warped has a nine people really like. I
guess that low. The low number of reviewers should have tipped us off because
it's like it was going to be self selecting. All right, well,
I means the boys are tied seven to seven. We have game number three
now, the Legend of Spiro, Dawn of the Dragon. I'll give you
a little context here. This is the last of the reboot series of Spiro.
Please, we're looking at the PlayStation three version. October twenty first,
two thousand and eight, twenty two Critic reviews, Mike, what are you
thinking here? I don't think there was much love for these ones. U
gosh, they really flew under the radar immensely at this point. So I
see what we're doing here by lay cute all that Division games. I think
you mean first party Xbox Games, Yes, exactly. Uh yeah. For
some reason, then I forgot that they would also own Spiro. That's interesting
Skylanders. Remember when they made that that they that remake trilogy for Spiro and
it was a big hit and then nothing kids like that. It's good,
very good. I kind of want to go relatively lower. I'm gonna say,
like sixty nine, dude, let's go in two thousand and eight.
Yeah. Yeah, um, I am gonna go with seventy five. Okay,
I think I hope my chance to make up some points here let's go
make up you. I mean, we're time, so you'll just go go
in the league. We're tight, that's right, I mean, well,
still shot kicking already, might go a little larger, Jacko a little bit
higher, still hovering around the seven range. Well, let inspiral Donald the
Dragon has Oh let's go, let's go, man, let's go, let's
go, let's go. Yea, Mike does pull all of those, all
of those Activision games that we're not that we're not call of duty in that
time. We're pretty rough. Even the Crash ones I think did a little
better than the Spiral ones at the time. Like I think I think it
varied moral Crash because of how different they all were. Crash of the Titans,
right, Yeah, like Twins is like a brawler, mostly weird.
Yeah, I don't know that. It was a very weird time where they're
sort of farming stuff out or like throwing stuff at the wall. Yeah.
Anyways, Mike pulls ahead here with seventeen points versus Jeff's twenty three game number
four is Gonna be Guitar Hero. The original release for a PS two November
seventh, two five sixty five critic reviews A lot to work with here,
Jeff, Yeah, uh man, I remember it being a phenomenon, but
I don't necessarily know what that meant, like one critical like darling, but
I know there were a lot of people in the media who really liked it.
But I feel I feel like it mostly did like potential Game of the
Year numbers in terms of review. So I'm gonna go with a ninety three,
okay. I don't know if the first one was quite that high.
I remember everyone was very into it, very excited about it. I liked
a lot. I kind of man, this is the one. I'm probably
the most nostalgic for you. This is the one. I really remember the
track last I liked back when they did covers instead of having the originals.
I'll go a little bit lore. I'm gonna say eighty nine Okay, still
very good score though, Yeah, I really had that song called Guitar Here.
Remember that gonna be a guitar here? I don't exactly. Mike remembers
it wasn't very fun this one. I think three is where they really on
their footing. But the critics thought a guitar hero the first deserved cumulatively,
you guys, the difference they're both gain two packs. That's good for me.
Actually, yes, Mike continues as lead here quite a big one six
points difference here. Mike with the lead of nineteen points to Jeff's twenty five
into the final game Candy Crush Saga. Look at the iOS version release November
fourteen, twenty twelve. Nine critic reviews to work with. What the hell
do I do with this? Cry? Maybe eighty five? Confident I like
it. That sucks because it's like so hard for me to like to get
the points I need in either direction, right, That's why I did it,
Yeah, coward, I mean, I don't know how I have to
get that on here at that point reduction or I hope it's like way or
I hope that he's way off and I can get it in um too,
So that means just I'm gonna go with seventy eight. Then, um,
I don't know if that's really what I believe, but I have to do
that. So yep, all right, Jeff slock in seventy eight, Mike's
got eighty five, Candy Crush Saga has seventy nine. Jeff was so close.
I was about one point between them. Mike wins twenty five to be
safe. It's literally what I thought in my head. One more to be
safe, and that's a very good gift. So that's a good gift.
Strong for people wondering on your listeners, it's a it's a gift of Rocky
Balboa looking at a picture of Bobby Kodak and then crumbling it up because he's
going to destroy them. Him in the rain for a moment from Rocky four.
Great moment. It's my new favorite. Jeff ever, Yeah, that's
really good. I've never seen this. I've never seen it before either.
That's really god Rocky with that weird it's funny because he's like, oh,
he's in he's trading in Siberias, so he has a beard yet this is
this a really well trimmed, well man to look well manicured. Yeah.
Absolutely, such a good game as always, mister Bob. Thank you very
much. Yeah, thank you so much. We apreciate that. That was
a fun time. Thank you Sean for your help there as well. Of
course, Jeff, do you need a second to get ready for the game
of the Year of nineteen ninety six Liberations? I do. Let's do that.
Then right back, everybody and we're back to do gab of the Year
in nineteen ninety six. If you missed, was it last week's episode?
Where you did nineteen ninety five was last week? If you missed it.
What we do is me and Mike come up with the games that should be
the top five or nineteen ninety six in order, the top five games of
the year. We do take your input. If you're in chat live,
go ahead and throw it on there, But mostly we're gonna be looking at
our friends, the podcast producers on the discord. We'll be checking in with
them here in a second. But Mike, where do we start for Game
of the Year nineteen ninety six? Yeah? I wonder where we go.
There's a very obvious one here that I can't imagine. It's not going to
be number one, but that's fine. If we're doing a five, it'll
still be interesting, I swear. But Mario sixty four ka bown in nineteen
ninety six one of the grands gimes of all time, definitely one of the
most important games of all time. I don't need to explain why Supermore sixty
four is still incredible. I still love playing it. But yeah, just
like the importance factor also just and incredibly off the charts. This is a
really interesting year. Just I mean, you know, just last year,
you know we were doing this, and just how much more we are figuring
out three D in this year. It's pretty nuts. Yes, I mean,
I mean looking back now the ninth like where the nineties started with games
and where it ended. That's like there was so much advancement. It is
crazy. But compared to now, we're like our games are basically like they
were in the three sixty generation, just looking better. Like there's still like
some yeah, there's like some stuff there that feels different, a lot of
it more design and even UI wise, But man, yeah it is.
It was crazy just living through that. How how much things could change from
a year in nineteen ninety five to nineteen ninety six. M yeah, it
is Super sixty four or clearly with the one with a bullet for me um
next, I probably personally go with Wave Race sixty four, which came out
in December of that year. I know you're a Wave Race sixty four freak.
Are you like your Wave Race more than pilot Wings? Oh? Yeah,
I do, say I just wanted to make sure. Yeah, pilot
Wings is fun, but Wave Race sixty four is just like mine blowing any
good. It's great. I'm gonna have a maybe a hard time with it
at number two. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm just getting on the
mark. I'm just preparing you for this. Yes, it's it's on the
shortlist one thousand percent, but I'm not saying it has to be number two
on the list. We're just getting the games up though, right now,
Okay, because like, if there's some interesting once here, I think if
I had to say, like what I think a number two would be,
I would go at the original Resident Evil. Oh sure, yeah, I
could see that another very important three D game. Yes, started this franchise
that we are still talking about. That. That's one thing we did to
talk about the news was Resive before selling five million copies. And if that
I'll ask you right there because like I'm also like, god, that seems
like a little slower than I think. And then maybe we're ruined by looking
at switch sales numbers YAU, probably because there's also a story about Square Enix
going on about how happy they were that Physy sixteen sold three that's a play
Statue five exclusive, and absolutely that's a good number. Anyone who's saying placed
there the final Fantasy sixteen numbers aren't good? Are is insane? Like those
very good, straight up really good sales for that, I agree, It's
like that thing. It was like those are good obviously and look like the
best selling U Resumeal game. I think it's still seven at like twelve million,
and two remake did like eleven million and Resume four it's maybe still beat
that with sales and all that stuff, so I'm sure it's still good.
But yeah, it's like, man, here's like this popular franchise with this
really hot company with a game Metacritic score above the nineties, and like,
still it seems like you can there is like a limit there. I don't
know, maybe maybe my reality is is shifted there. Five million is probably
obviously very good for that. Yep. Um, I got a couple of
places I'm gonna go, but I'm just gonna say the one that definitely needs
to do. Let me say one thing about the Evil real quick, because
like you know, I played that remake last year. The ruling that came
out like for GameCube and it was the HD version on s Team is really
good. It's really good, right, And then um, but like I
went to play the original and it was a directors cut granted, but a
PlayStation on an emulator, and I was like, I want to just see
like how different it is. I ended up just playing through that whole version
too. It's still very good. It's amazing. It's amazing how they've really
kind of stumbled onto a new genre while taking a lot from sort of Metroid
Vinia stuff, Like there are definitely those elements there, but like making something
new with it again inspired by like some things like Alone in the Dark.
But yeah, that is still a really fun, a really interesting game to
play. Resident Evil big time important but also still just really interesting to me.
Uh yeah, reds Evil, very very good game. Super Mario RPG
is going to be up here. Yeah, super marir PG. There's our
boy. Uh really, don't you say you're lying about it that way?
It makes me mad, But yeah, it's it's like if if they squares
off to make a RPG but only fun. How you shut the hell up.
But yes, Mario RPG, it really it's great. Yes, it's
the game that it's the first RPG I ever beat. Uh So it kind
of really instilled a love of that genre for me, and it's still one
that any time I go back to it's still fun. Incredible characters. I
mean, it does so much for sort of establishing a lot about Mario,
like the idea that Mario could be funny and stuff, like something that was
in the cartoon. There was a little bit of that in the games,
but a lot of that is really stablished Heer, especially if Bowser being a
giant goober that kind of stuff. Right. So, God, I love
this game. Juno and Mallow, incredible Psycher. I mean, oh,
we're gonna have two ocs and the Mario RPG. I'm really saw just with
the last Mario plus Rabbits how that can kind of go awry just adding the
original character in there and like no one can hairs. But do you know,
AMT people still care deeply about them. This game is getting a remake
because people care so much. Yeah, it's a fantastic game, Yep,
it's it is. They just felt really focused on making it fun and interactive
and ensuring that you always feel like you're a part of the action. And
then, like you said, so much personality. Just one of the most
personality driven games made to that point. I really, really adore it.
Yeah, it's very very good stuff. I have another one that I think
should be on here, but it is your turn if we want to do
it that way. Yeah, let me. Okay, So there's some interesting
ones. These are more. These are less. I'm like certain it needs
to be on there and not like throwing some stuff out. Well, okay,
this is actually pretty big one that maybe should be on there. Uh,
this is what you're gonna say, Quake. Yes, I was gonna
say, the actual most important three D game up to this point, Quake,
Yes, yeah, just uh, the follow up to Doom and the
first like real all three D game for computers at that point, Like you
know, before it's software, like even like getting side scrolling graphics working on
computers was difficult, like they, like a lot of software developers struggle with
that. Computers weren't made to do that. And then you know, they
figured out with Commander Keane. But then the fact that they just kept going
and pushing the boundary, pushing the boundaries, and then what they come out
with is the ultra fast, amazing three D graphics of Quake, and then
Quake kicking off the three D graphics accelerator accelerator movement and encouraging everyone to start
putting those in their computer. And then on top of that, just a
super solid game that's fun to play and fun to move around. And yeah,
Quake is super important, super important, and also again game they nott
remastered out on Goo and it's still one I think is a lot of fun.
I like it's like slightly like it's like medieval occult is kind of the
vibe here, and that's a lot of fun. Eventually Quake would be much
more sci fi, but I do like those vibes of this one. Yeah,
incredibly important game and also still really fun. Definitely in that lineage that
like you over side three d U Doom Quake yep, And it's so important,
so influential that you can trace elements of Call of Duty's engine all the
way back to the original Quake. There are there's a commonality there where it's
like Call of Duty was made on in tech for a very long time and
and like that stuff. It's not necessarily anymore, but there's definitely gonna be
some elements there that are still there, and that goes all the way back
to Quake. Did you have something else that you were thinking about quake.
It was definitely it. But uh, when did Pokemon Red and Blue come
out in North America? Not nine eight, so we're doing North America releases
the Carrol in Japan in ninety six. That's that's what I thought. So
I was like, I was trying to like them. I'm like, I
remember having my car when I played Pokemon, so I'm like that had to
be much later. It was a long It was a pretty long break,
partly because you know, they're translating RPG sick a while back then, but
also because I think they weren't sure because the Gateway was actually kind of a
dying platform and nor America at that point a really slowed down significantly and a
gate like Pokemon completely revived it, but at the time they didn't know it
was going to hit here. Also, there's one that I think people might
mention we could start checking the podcast producer sharing a second, but I don't
really feel strongly about it. In fact, I think it probably shouldn't be
on the list, and that's tomb Raider. I don't I don't really enjoy
playing tomb Raider. You know what, When I was having my nostalgic PlayStation
era thing because after playing Resideval want to playing on stuff. I was really
excited I'm gonna play tomb Raider because like that was this thing and I haven't
really played much of those. I fell off that pretty quick, Jeff us.
It's not a whole lot of fun to play anyway. Look, it
was also important. We were also figuring a lot of stuff out with three
games, and there's definitely a charm to it. There's definitely something that caught
the zeit geis. But I don't think very many people have that much fun
going back and playing the original tumb Raider. Yeah, and it's well,
we'll see, We'll see what the podcast producers say, but I'm I'm guessing
not many even say tomb Raider because even for fans of that series, it
like really starts with tumb Rat or two, and even that one it doesn't
hold up really at right. Sure, Okay, I do have the podcast
producers here, Mike, do you have any other ones you want to mention?
What we want to like? Ye would be interesting? Is the first
good again? Maybe this is the neo geo I mean, but the first
metal Slugka out in nineteen ninety six, and that is like maybe still like
I mean, there's sequels to it, but like still the prettiest two D
pixel game made, especially of the era. Yeah, we're making pixel games.
It is incredible. How good that game looks um So there's something the
Metal Slug. I don't know if I can make it, but I want
to bring up Metal Slug. All right, let's get into these podcast producers
things, and there's anything else we want to bring up, we can get
them afterwards. There's maybe a couple I want to mention, but we'll see
if the community mentions it. All right, gears Wolf says, Super Mario
sixty four. Excuse me, he says, and that's a pretty obvious answer.
Yeah, here we are. Cranch Basketball says the same thing, as
does mister Bohler, but mister Buller says, the dark horse pick is Civilization
two, which I played some of, but I was definitely my start with
Civilization three in earnest, so I'm not in any way going to be going
to bad for Civilization. I mean my start was SIF Revolution and then like
SIF four I knew about because of the song, and SIF five I played,
but yeah, I did. I wasn't playing SIV two. SIF two
is the one I think that people who have been playing since the first one
they mentioned, that's the one that really blew it open for them. But
that's just yeah, I don't know. It's hard for me to put Civilization
two on the list. Let's see here. Lenny Cool Dick Denver one called
the shot. Can't wait for Jeff to say Wave Ray sixty four before any
other games, and that's exactly what happened. Very very good, Panda says
super Mario RPG, the Legend of the Seven Stars, the pinnacle of Graphics
in nineteen ninety six. Doctor Ryan says the easy answer but still correct,
is super Mario sixty four. It still plays as becau as it did the
day it came out. It still holds interest, it's still sparks joy.
It would be easy to pick something else to spur discussion, but the truth
is nothing from nineteen ninety six top supermar sixty four. He might be onto
something, Haas says commanded Conquer read Alert, which is definitely a very good
game. Uh, but you know we'll see fluffy cloud gamers. Supermar sixty
four is easily the best, uh, cass Bucker, who also says Mario
sixty four. Boppenheimer says, okay, fine, all zag crashed second,
what else? The fuffy cloud gamers say, let's see, it's easily the
best, but oh, but want to shout out Kirby's Superstar Kirby Superstars nineteen
ninety six. Oh, yes, it is that. It is, like
I've realized, it was a surprisingly late release, which is why I never
played it. I thought I thought it because like man that it might have
been ninety five. No, it's nineteen ninety six. Three. I thought
that was like a really late super Nintendo Kirby games that also just came out
ninety six. But whatever, Nintendo and putting out multiple Kirby games a years,
they're a better combination, I don't think so. I really like Kirby
Superstar. Jeff, I love this game. I never played this because it
came out so late that I was like playing Super Mario Pug just waiting for
ninteen of sixty four. It was I did the co ops so well.
It was just so much fun with like the like the different versions of Kirby.
It was just really slick and we'll paced it was the first one where
like each Kirby ability wasn't just like, oh, well, now Kirby shoots
Ice, It's oh, Kirby gets a whole new move set built around Ice,
and that stuff was really fun. I want I want Kirby Superstar up
for consideration at least, and it was on the short list. Alex says
Resident Evil was neat gb Krantz as Super Mario sixty four, but personally I
have to give it to Mario Kart sixty four. Three was ninety seven,
by the way, interesting, thank you, thank you, chat Wow.
Snuffkin says, I hate to go with the boring answer, but Bob C
three D, which pioneered the way forward for three D games. Casual says
per Rappa the Rapper, which is one I wanted to mention, But I
don't think it's going to make the list. Metcha, It's not gonna make
it. There's no way. Mario Kart sixty four was ninety six. I
had to be like ninety eight at least. I think it might be ninety
seven, but I don't think it. So it's ninety six of Japan December.
But North America like to Night seven, so we get talked about that.
Okay time, Uh, super mar sixty four is just okay. Put
Quake on the list, as beef Hammer Jesus sprits Beef Well, you're half
right. Jat Jat Big says I'll go with super Mario RPG Wildfire. Alex
says, the fuck it's super Mario sixty four. I'm sorry everyone, I
failed you. Uh. Octo says a lot of great games in ninety six,
but personal favorites like Broken Sword, Shadow of the Templars and Diabola one.
But I have to give it up to Neighborhood, the weirdest adventure game
with the funkiest soundtrack. Remember looking at this game and never really actually seeing
it in action? Yeah, it's a it's a it's a cool game.
I have a friend who really likes the Neighborhood. Really cool game. I
don't think it's gonna make the list. Sorry, let's see. Doctor Sat
says Wavery sixty four. You know, in addition to the unavoidable Super Mario
sixty four, seffroth to super mar sixty four. Breadfish says, the Elder
scrolls too, dagger Fall. Do you ever play this? Nah? Everything
before Mara Went is a bit the two early PCRPG jank for me. I'm
sorry, ye same here. Dacci says, I'm gonna say Revelations Persona the
very first persona game. It's monster Negotiation collection. Mechanics were really cool,
and the setting, story, and atmosphere gave the game a truly unique,
creepy feeling that modo personas can't quite match. Uh, where's the heart though?
Jeff, Yeah, it's yeah, the heart's best over there. And
shimma got my tensee at that time. Jamie h Christmas Eve says, shout
out to the goat, mister Bones. Let's go, mister Bones. Bones
is such a silly game. It's like that's the first mister Bones. That's
the first auto runner as an auto Runner section, it's not the That's what
it is, okay, close to the whole game. There's a lot of
different gameplay mods, is okay? Uh what as CPU says, I will
now try to predict what the boomerass crossed out very Mike and Jeff list will
be. He says, Star Wars Shadow the Empire, filling the shitty Star
Wars game. Quota dot Com Country three, Lay Race sixty four, Super
Mario RPG, Super Mario sixty four, and he says Street Fighter Alpha two
snubbed because Mike didn't play it, Pokemon Red and Green stubbed because Mike Kate's
Pokemon Reside. Evil snubbed us, Yeah, because it's not the best one
in the series. And Civilization two snubbed because it doesn't have Bobby yet too.
That's a very good point. That's just an excellent point there, one
of a man. Thanks for reminding me that Shows of the Empire came out
in nineteen ninety six, did it? I'm trying to see. I think
it was. It was like a launch window game, right, I mean,
but look, we have a lot of affinity for that game. It
wasn't a big deal. It's not going to make the top fight I mean,
the Hawth Novel's top five, but the rest of the game drags it
right, right. Crono Bounce says a personal favorite from nineteen ninety six is
Guardian Heroes. Treasure created one of the greatest beat them ups of all time
with branching paths and a killer soundtrack. My runner up would be Neo Turfmasters.
Is that this year? That's interesting? Man. Guardian Heroes is a
game I want to play so bad. It's a Saga Saturn game. I
just didn't have it back then, and everyone talks about it's one of the
best games for that system and it's treasure. I've never played. Sure,
it's great, but yeah, I just have not played it before. Is
Neil Turfman. I'm trying to look up when Neil Turbmasters came out, because
that is a very, very good game, But says Wipeout XCEL has to
take the title for me. Wipe Out XL's one. I would definitely consider
if you had any love for it, Mike, I don't know if you
do. No, I'm not much of a Wipeout guy. I would do
Neil Turk Masters, which didn't fat come out in nineteen ninety six. Okay,
put on the short list. I don't know. I believe given Neil
Turkmasters enough love, I don't think. Yeah, we can always just remove
it. Klink says, sure, you could pick supermar sixty four. That's
the boring answer, but what about the wild card slot, the game that
has the best and most quotable moments. That's right, This lead list list
needs Duke Nucombe three D. Then say we need to put a d sorry
ahead and actually put SIP two on on you cowards, yeah, or SIP
two fans on was but thing Yeah, dude dum three D came out and
uh man, we also have quick though. Sure it's better, but dude
dukeham three D had tits. Yeah, and it had you could like hump
the wall and go where is it? Which was very funny, Big Tony,
says Mario sixty four. But this is your chance for some neo geo
representation include metal slug uh let's see um two oh yeah, super screaming madd
says too many Supermarr sixty four answers when the real contender should be mad in
NFL ninety seven, let's go. I think that is the only Madden I
ever played a considerable amount of Real ninety seven on my PlayStation. Yet that
would have been like the time when uh NFL fucking from ninety nine studios would
have been way better day game day. Yes, and game day was much
better at that time. Um, Johnny Navy, maybe that was nineties eight
eight when that started happening, Johnny Navy, says Marrio sixty four. It's
a bad game. The camera makes it unplayable, but you know what,
what game didn't have a bad camera? Mario RPG. Oh my god,
these kids people with the camera, they just you know, just ye,
you'll be fine, en, yes, Dad. Wait, so I'm gonna
start telling you that in Batman Dark Tomorrow too. Just yeah, just to
the camera which you can't interact with, Okay, Jimmy Nintendo. My actual
answer is Mario sixty four, but shout out to Quake. Shoji Kodo says,
I'd like to make an argument for us in Evil. The cultural significance
is huge for the survival horror genre. It became the best selling PlayStation game
back at that time, and it spawned a massively successful new refranchise in IP.
Isaac Clark says, correct answers Marty sixty four. My personal answer actually
just Mario sixty four. JD. Camp wants to go with checks Quest.
Oh do you ever play checks Quest? No? No, I don't you
know. It's just a it's a Doom clone with checks up. It's it's
funny that it's as good as it is, and I get it. Yeah,
it's fun wow. Johns here, Yeah, let's see Marci's for us
the best nineteen eighty. This is from mister miss Fio, because it was
the inspirational and technologically down the foundation for games after including three D Mario games
as it continued through generations. The close second is Residing Evil. Here's other
games I think should have a notable mention, but no way the best of
the best, unless you want to consider Alpine Racer two, Batman Forever,
the arcade game, blood Omen, Legacy of Kane, clock Tower, Crash
Vandicoot. We talked about crash Bandicoot. We did talk about interesting didn't we
talk about crash Bandicoot. I don't think it has come up yet. We
talked about it earlier in the Metacritic Game Depth. Is that what you're thinking
about? Yeah, but I've definitely been looking at it during this because I
have my list of games from nineteen ninety six, and for some reason,
I'm like, we must have talked about this because and then just dismissed it.
But I guess maybe not. I mean, you know, you're not
a Christian. I like crash Bandicoot. I still think the first Crash Bandicoot
is a lot of fun. I don't know if it's gonna make a top
five list, but it definitely needs to be considered. Okay, yeah,
that's what he'll put it on the list. That's what I needed to hear.
Okay, I like it, Actual Bandicoot, It's fun to say good
name Dead or ALIGNE Diehard, Arcade, Dute, Nukeam three, d Earth
Siege two, Daggerfall, Enemy zero, Harvest, Moon Killer, Instinct to
Kirby, Superstar, MEC Warrior two, Mercenaries, Metal Slug and Neoturf Masters,
Pancer Dragoon twos. Why shout out to Patro Dragoon Two's why I know
I couldn't get Pancro Dragoon one on there last time. Y is just as
good. I don't think it's going to happen. But a fantastic game.
But Rapper the Rapper Pilot Wing sixty four, Power Slave Quake, Power Slave
rules play is great. They play that. That is the best. U
like Dive Studios, Remaster play their Powerslave that. They came out with Rage,
Racer, Soul Edge, Star Wars, Shadows of the Empire, Street
Fighter Alpha two, Super Mario RPG, Super Puzzle Fighter two, Turbo Syndicate
Wars, Twisted Metal to Warcraft two, Beyond the Dark, Portal Wave Race
sixty four, Wild Arms and X Men Versus Street Fighter. Okay, there's
a couple big ones in here, and I'm actually surprised as the first time
anybody's brought up Twisted Metal Too, which did infect come out in nineteen ninety
six. I played a lot of I played a lot of that game and
had a good time at the time, and it's not one that has stuck
with me. Yeah, maybe if Dan record was here, we'd have to
like as like one of the best games of all time. It's definitely the
best, Wow, one of the best Twisted Metals. But yeah, there's
there's something about it that's age, not like a little bit gameplay, but
just kind of that tone and everything. I like just se Metal two a
lot. Still, I do think of it from this general like that is
definitely one of the most nineteen ninety six games I think about. I don't
know if we have to include it on the list. Gosh's Warcraft two really
this year, feel free to look it up. I'm gonna keep going Hamlet
of Texas as Apple's the most successful company in the history of business, and
I think he wrote this here when he was trying to write in checks,
I saw him also right lists in chat and I want to say second most
successful after Saudi Aramco, which you know, if it was a pub,
that's company would be Severnal Trallion dollars. That's right. Warcraft two was nineteen
ninety five, but Beyond the Dark Portal was an expansion peck, so we
don't have to worry about that. That's right. We talked about it last
time. Fud Sack hays shadow the Imp and then stops and says Maro sixty
four matt raremuck. He says Mark sixty four six to quake wipe out excel
in command of conquer red alert. Let's see there's more people saying red and
blue. That's a Nintendo switch boomer h. Yeah. Do we specify us
games this time? We might have forgotten too, but we probably forgot that
is that is our rules. So if you guys want to bring that back
up when we get to the nineteen ninety eight feel free. No, we
specify. Christian wrote that and then the original post everybody Super Puzzle Fighter two
Turbot, which I enjoy but I haven't played a ton of. I don't
know. Are you a fan of that? Uh? Puzzle Fighter Super Puzzle
Fighter two Turbo. Yeah, I think that. I think those are a
little overrated personally. I don't like puzzle Fighter that much. I mean,
oh, man, okay, yeah, we're gonna do Super too. If
anything, no, I'll just I'll just play ploy play like you know,
like or a real puzzle game like Pokemon Puzzle League, not not Puzzle Fighter
too. Man. People really people feel strong about puzzle actually anything. They
definitely, they definitely do. I'm like, I will what I've played of
it every time points I guess this is okay. I like the graphics,
I like the cheap characters and stuff. I just don't fow me show you
the Poyo puyo ed evough Mike, come on now, well, I'm sure
if they put a half naked cat girl and it would also be played it.
Well, it's funny you say that because put you put your ears on
a ship, Sasquatching says. Red Alert Service. Kaine says there's a debate
over whether Diablo is ninety six or ninety seven, but according to bizzards official
timeline, it came out in I came out to December thirty first, nineteen
ninety six, and it was game spots Game of the Year for nineteen ninety
six, so I'm choosing Diablo. M that's interesting. I think I'll probably
wait till DABO two to give Diablo. It's flowers. I think that's right.
Brian Rose. Being in control of Mario for the very first time in
Mario sixty four is an experience. I don't think I can that can ever
be duplicated. Aside from the weird camera, it holds up extremely well.
Yeah, the first time I ever played that game. But towards r Us
it blew my god, damn mine. Turbo Shan wraps us up here and
says, I know, I know no Japanese releases, but guess what,
Mike, this game never released in the US since, so since I never
get to talk about it, shout out to the original Secure O Wars.
Yeah, I would like to try those games. Sometimes. That's a game
like it's a tad to CORPG with some dating sim elements. I believe there's
the fire elmblem with wife. Who's all the perverts out there loved before,
like twenty years before Fireblem Go play English fan translation. I'm sorry, was
that really good? It probably messed up by not pushing that more here,
or at least doing it now right, Like I know that there was a
few months back, or maybe just like Moredy a yearback, a lot of
people in the discord played it and seem to really like it. So yep,
I might look into this, Okay, Mike. Our list as it
stands right now for nineteen ninety six Game of the Year is Super Mario sixty
four, Waverray sixty four, Resident Evil, Super Mario RPG, Quake,
Metal Slug, Kirby Superstar, Neoturf Masters, and Crash Bandicoot. I have
a couple of these that I think certainly need to be on the top five,
but I'm hoping to hearing like what you're feeling. Shout out to Fire's
Mega Mixed by the way, um, I am once again feeling like the
top five is like the five games we have on the top of this list
are probably the five games to be honest, mar sixty four, waver sixty
four, Resideval mapeteen, Quake, like I would probably move Wave Race for
like something else, Like I like Kirby Superstar a lot. I don't know
if I could really justify being a top five. I don't want to,
like do a whole thing where like you have your favorite in Waivery sixty four,
I have mine and Kirby Superstar because you could definitely make an argument about
Waive Ray sixty four being important and the way you can't really make that argument
for Kirby Superstar, so I would lose there. I still like Crash Bandicoot.
Oh, you know, we haven't really talked about much when people did
bring up a red alert and we kind of already snubbed Commanding Conquer one.
Yeah, bad news for you, can I think bad news is that this
list is much more stacked than nineteen ninety five was it is. Yeah,
I don't know. I think I'm with you. I think that if we
want to move Wave Race sixty four down, I'm fine with that. The
one I would be most willing to move up would be super Mar RPG.
Well we're talking about Super Mar sixty four's lack a number one, right,
I mean that's not the number one, just no way. Yeah, I
mean, look, I think RESI and Evil should be number two personally.
I mean I can I can see that. Um, just like, I
mean, this is not an excuse because like, what does that have to
do with things, but like Resi Evil just gets better and better. I
mean that first one's very very good, but it's get very very good.
It doesn't get better and better, get better, but obviously better, like
even better. Um two is it better? But it's it also comes out
in in nineteen ninety eight, which is a very rough year. I don't
know it's better, and yet it may not make the list. I don't
know. Here's what I'm thinking. I think Resi Evil can be number two,
uh, and then I think Super Mario pro Duce number three. I
think Wave Race and then Quake. Yeah, I don't know we can put
Wave Race above Quake. I mean, look, it's getting on the list,
You're getting your game on the list, but it's still come on.
I mean, I personally think Wave Race is a more fun game to play
than Quake, and it's important and it's got I mean, listen, Quake
is very important. I know that very important. Yeah, and it's also
very fun. I would rather play Quake wave Race. That's not I love
way Race a lot. I definitely get it. Uh, But I'm not
saying way Race is lucky to be here, but it's definitely not lucky.
That's insane. You're just it's not looking to be here. I know you're
being dismissive. It's that's not to be dismissive. But I'll tell you what
if we threw it to the chat, if we said which, what do
you think should it be here? Which? What do you think? They
would probably probably quake. But that's a good that's a good reason they're not
doing this list. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, listen,
I think, um that resid Eval at number two looks just fine to me.
As long as Wave Race sixty four is at number four, you get
to have a precious one in here. I don't. I don't get to
have my Kurby. Yeah, but you're Reside Evil at number two is like,
I mean, I like supermarp G's like no, like easily number two
for me without even question. Um, but I'm I'm fine with Race Evil
being number two. I can have two Mario's back to back, Absolutely we
can. They really were the two best games that year. Easily. Um.
But yeah, I think this, this looks right to me. I
would still think I think we should put Way Race under quake. Should we
ask the maus what they think about this? Real quick just out of curiosity's
sake. Sure, and a few months come in here and start talking about
some other games. The question is Way Race and Quake mods. Okay,
real quick, Like, are you actually ordering this like number one to number
five? Yes? Yes? How's that? Unclear? That fucking numbers?
Mike? You know that Jeff about that? He said you don't need to
put the numbers in. Now, Jeff's told you. I told you Jess,
like, we don't need the numbers. It's clear. Oh there's some
numbers indication. You guys have like five different segments like this as never clear
if you order them or not. Anyway, since it is one through five,
yeah, quite deserves to be above Wave Race. Now, yes,
you are lucky that Mike is allowing Wave sixty four on this list. I
mean this, this is um just as much my list as it is Mike's.
Like, can do that? I'm lucky here, he's insane. Listen,
did you hear the Sonic episode? You are lucky that he is My
Gain't happy? Ain't nobody happy? This? Yeah? This is my compromising
This is as much compromise as he will ever do. So I think you
had to take this. I mean I get it. I just I've played
these games. I know that Wave Very sixty four is actually a more impressive
game, even than Quake. And I know that's going to be insane to
everybody, but it's true. It actually is true. It's not just the
three D graphics, which it has and isn't It is just as impressive as
Quakes. It also has a physics system that is better than anything else at
the time, and better than anything for several years after that. But fine,
I'll move it down. We'll move Quake up. Whatever gets on the
list. Ja, yeah, it should be. It should be higher.
It's that good. You would you would put it at number two if you
could. Uh yeah, probably yes. But if he wats any other game
other than Quake, I will be totally with you. I'm even Quake qua.
I know. I play so much Quake when I was a kids.
So he's like in Greening Red Brain. So I want to read this super
chat from the age of thirteen. He says, is there a Wave race
car? Yeah? I mean culturally I get it, Quake is is is
massive, but uh yeah, I mean I don't know. You could play
Wavery sixty four today and the way that moving across that water feels still feels
better than almost any other game that tries to do that to this day.
And uh yeah it's a great game. Yeah, I mean right till this
day, it's that good. But um yeah, fair enough, all right
whatever. Uh Supermar sixty four Resival, Supermar RPG Quake, and Wave Race
sixty four the top five games of the idea that I'm lucky like the rest
of the games on here, like Putting like a Metal Slug, Kirby Superstar
New York, Turk Pastor's Crash Bandicoot. It's laughable any of those would replace
Wave Ray sixty four. It's actually laughable. That's the one you're gonna says,
Remember when it was like, oh, Mike stategish only the only reason
ever got any attention is because they did those commercials about well, we're gonna
have it's not fun to play. Oh you're insane. It's of course it's
fun, mister jumps, because you have a guess. It's horse shit.
It's such like a skill issue to me. It got better. It got
better over time. Over time. When they realized that was a problem,
they did a little bit less of that. Oh Man, Crash Band in
before Jeff has a rant about this on Twitter and Rebecca Stone just comes in
with, who what's this? Now? Listen, I get that now that's
I'm not trying to fun. I guess. Yeah, I'm definitely a boomer,
but crash bandicoots boomer shit too at this point, So come on and
the other options plan an event. Yeah, this is what to an evil
person. Yeah, this is villain origin. I'm gonna thank you. May
go now, all right, very good job Christians. Okay, I do
like this top five though. That was a good year for games. Ninety
nine. It's better than ninety five was. And uh I think it's only
going to get better for a while. Actually, oh yes, definitely very
good. All right, Jeff, we have a Hall of Fame thing,
did you say too? Still don't we? Yeah? We do. Do
we have the results for that? Sean? Actually, because I shock it
out all we had to need you. I thought I might be able to
claw my way out just to reveal this. Yeah, thank you. Okay,
So for the Game mess Hall of Fame, what we do is occasionally
have the community come in and vote on a selection of games that me and
Mike pick. M We started doing themed one. So we're gonna pick from
certain things this year week. This week we picked Xbox games, uh,
and what are the games that are up for nomination? And then I'm gonn
read the list of previously previous winners that got inducted into the Game Mess Hall
of Fame, and then we'll read the winners. So what did we choose?
Turboshan? So this week upper nomination is Star Wars and Knights of the
Old Republic, Halo Combat Evolved the first one obviously, Crimson Skys High Road
to Revenge, which is the second Crimson Skuys, and Burnout three Takedown which
is the fourth Burnout. And of course podcast producers could have voted throughout this
week on which one of those they thought deserve is worthy of being in the
Game Mess Hall of Fame. Jope, they just they vote on one and
then the two highest ones have a chance are the ones that will get in.
They will join the list which is as Fall of Super Mario Brothers,
Super Metroid Street Fighter two, Super Mario sixty four, Mario Kart eight,
Deluxe F zero GX, Undertail, Shovel Night, or in the Will of
the Whisps, Castlevania simply of the Night, Streets of Rage two, Sonic
the Hedgehog two, Demon Souls, and Uncharted two. All right, Sean,
go ahead and tell us who's going to be the newest inductee. Weird
Wave racism on that list. Yeah, it's weird the best Xbox game.
So the two better than any game on next Box except for next year.
Republic, Yes, so the two make it in tonight. We'll do second
place with twenty four percent of the vote. Star Wars Knights of the Old
Republic. All right, this is condition results. They're going to be shocking.
Number one. You'll never see it coming with sixty eight percent of the
vote. Halo Combat evol. Wow, Wow, would respect how much percent
of the Crimsons guys get? Uh you got exactly one vote? Yeah that
sounds right. You know who that was. I know who that was.
That was a j I don't think I voted. Take Oh we tried.
We gave you your chance, We gave you your shot. I'm sorry.
You're lucky. Even up for consider you're lucky. I mean it's better than
Way of Race, but you're feeling come on, oh boy, Okay,
So congratulations night see Little Republic and Halo Combat evolved, joining the Game mess
Hall of Fame. We will do another one of those in the next couple
of months. We'll see we slowed it down because we don't want it.
This list a balloon that fast. But uh yeah, it's I mean,
it's a good list of games. If you handed a person who never played
video games Super Mario Brothers, Super Metrod Street Ritter two, Super Mario sixty
four, Mario Kart eight, Deluxe F zero GX, Undertail, Shovel Night,
or In the Will of the Whisps Castivating, it simply a night Streets
of Rage two Sounded, The Hedgehog, two Demon Souls Uncharted, Two Nightsivilar
Republic, and Halo Combat Evolved. That person would probably say, leave me
alone. But then they'd probably be pretty grateful for such a good list of
games, so Undertelly probably wouldn't get that's just for us. Um okay,
the freak slav Undertail. Oh yeah, definitely. But you gotta have like
a I think even a more thorough understanding of games to really appreciate Undertail.
Fair enough, it's an advanced course. It's exactly it's the yes, ap
okay, Mike, what have you been playing? Oh? Gosh. Actually,
actually, despite the all the negativity around the last year, days a
lot of double four sure. Yeah, really it's it's become a very cozy
game to play while watching other things, so you know, like watching you
guys do voice built Dump Truck or catching up with your game mess morning because
I'm sleeping in too much on my staycation. Just's been playing that, just
been trying to level up my main character and the endgame stuff, running dungeons,
playing a bit of my brothers. But the season starts tonight, so
I will be probably making a season character right after the show while we hang
out a bit here as we edit this podcast. But yeah, mostly that
again, like I was like, I'm gonna play so much from my sixteen
and I just have. I don't know why. It's like I have to
actually put effort into sitting in my living room and playing video games anymore.
It's just like not the thing I do by default. So it just feels
weird for me. Yeah, I'm boring you, Jeff. You have to
play your ball. I do this no matter what, whether you're boring me
or not. But yes, you're boring me, of course you are.
I don't know, I'm like I always think I'll get into Diablos. Okay,
you're right, that's distracting final stuff, um necessarily my beaten bag.
You don't have to send my own energy back at me. That's unnecessary.
Yeah, yeah, before it's like this is the one I'll get into.
And it's like it's so much game. It really is a hobby and not
just like a game you can play, because I mean, I suppose you
could just play through the story and stuff, but even that seems pretty substantial.
And then I almost don't see the point nless you're like gonna get into
all this this stuff and like and do these seasonal characters with your friends and
stuff. So I don't know. I guess I'm glad that you still seem
to be so into because I knew you were a big fan of Diablo three,
and the one seems to have captured your Yeah, captured your mood once
again. But I don't know how like, are you gonna you think you're
gonna be playing this at the end of the year or does that not even
matter? Like because right now you're having a good time, what don't matter?
Like that is kind of the weird, Like it is weird how it's
like these games if you don't play forever failure Because I remember if Diabo two
and I love Diablo two, probably played the campaign and like, yeah,
that's like one of the best games that were played and then stopped. It
even occurred to me back then that it was something I was supposed to just
like keep playing forever. Like Diablo three, it made more sense, especially
because in Diabo three the endgame content was better than the main game. But
I think if you just play the campaign here and that's like what's getting lost
a little bit with people freaking about freaking out about like a ten percent like
nerve To like Ice Shard, Damon or whatever it is. You know,
like, yeah, a lot of people are just gonna play this campaign.
It's been like twenty hours. It takes you to that, and that is
like a game that's fun, and it was fun. I like the campaign
a lot, and I am still enjoying the postgame stuff. I'm not saying
that they're wrong about the upset about the patch. I think they are right,
and I think it was a mistake by Blizzard. But again, I
think I don't want to become hail Infinite where this game I like playing kind
of gets ruined for me, largely just because like the community revolts against it,
whether they're justified or not. It just kind of like brings everything down.
And I mean that is the risk of a live service game, where
it's like, yeah, the mood is almost as important as the game itself,
and yeah, oh I have a big one I need to talk about.
Ye, right, because I got a guided tour from the c of
Thieves developers. How long was the tour? About three hours? There you
actually, yes, that was about an hour and a half. Three hour
tour of the legend of Monkey Island updates that I think is out today or
tomorrow. I think it would be today for see if Thieves. Everyone I
think knows I'm a big Monkey Island fan, so I was very excited for
it, and they kind of put me my coup run through this entire first
chapter. There's going to be three of them, and it is really cool
as a Monkey Island fan doing this thing where you like sail in to Melee
Island and then you can just walk around Melee Island. That first location from
Secret Moncky Aland shows up in a bunch of other games as an actual like
three D space. I didn't expect that they hit me like it did.
It was really cool. What I love too is that they did make it
a bit of an adventure game, like, oh really, you know,
when you're on you're not like when you're you know, especially in this chapter,
it's like this ones like small combat sequence. You're mostly actually going around
and like solving puzzles and stuff and like talk to people. So it is
like a little mini Mukyala experience. And they have all these voice actors returning.
You know, it's basically the same Castle's return to Monkey Island, so
you have some long stays and then you have the new look Chuck voice stuff
like that. Everyone's doing a really good job. But yeah, it was
hitting pretty well. I was very happy with it. So if you like
Monkey Island, lady, don't be like worried about like, oh, I
don't know anything about Sea if Thieves. It's I think it's very easy to
just jump in here, learn how to play see if Thieves with their tutorial
for a second, and then just immediately jump into this content. It's going
to feel more like a Monkey ollen game than anything else. We're gonna be
We're gonna play that tomorrow for UPFA. We are we move that up Mike,
So I think we're doing it one pm Eastern. All right, I'll
be there. I've been Yeah, I've installed the bass version of the game
on my piece. I'll be ready to go. Yeah. But I'm going
to spoil the puzzles for you guys, because I know how to do them
all. But so don't worry. But there's even also like this kind of
fun like like seek out element of you need pieces of eight to buy things,
and pieces of eight just kind of hiding all over the place. You're
kind of always like keeping an eye off a piece of eight. And the
other cool thing I like is it's a three D world. You can find
certain spots like barrels to sit on, and when you sit on it,
your perspective is exactly kind of the Relian space in the original game. And
they'll even have guys do a little narration over it about like what happened there.
So that was like, oh, that is so cool, that's really
neat, that's clever, Like that's that feels like the kind of thing that
can only happen if you have a game like this, where it's like they've
been working on for so long, and they've done a million updates and they
know what they can do with their with their engine and with their game,
and they're like, Okay, we're gonna work in this IP. How can
we integrate it in a way that feels natural and respect and respectful for the
IP the other IP that we're going with. And that's really really cool.
So I don't know that makes me excited too this. I mean, I'm
surprised I'm eating so well as a Monkey Island fan in the last couple of
years, but I'm but I'm definitely here for it. But yeah, and
you know there's there's two more chapters too. This one kind of is like
you get to explore the first half of Melee is and I think it opens
up more in that next chapter. And I think chapter three is Monkey Island
and those are just sort of the two big places you get to go awesome,
really cool. Um, have you started over then yet? No?
And that's another thing I'm gonna do Baby tomorrow. I will. I'll start
overton for the game Miss Game Club. Yeah, because I basically have ten
days to do that, won't It'll be fine. It's not like the incredibly
long game, but I do have to go and play it. I'm sure
I am going to enjoy it though, So I am looking forward to playing.
But there's a few things like, man even like, oh, I
want to play Fampast sixteen. Well. I also did finally get a code
for Fight Forever, and I actually kind of want to play that. It's
fun. I still want to try out Exo Prime. We'll kind of see
where I stand on it, because it's so interesting to me to kind of
hear like, you know, your thoughts on it to my people's thought Like
it's a very like it's all over the place kind of game with people.
So I want to see where I land on that, and then Pickman Picking
four tomorrow. So it's crazy. And I'm still playing basically tonight, right
yeah, yeah, basically tonight, and I'm still playing uh those Final Fantasy
Pick Story Masters like pretty uh like I'm good ways into five now, just
really enjoying that, loving playing that again. So there are still just a
ton of games to play. Man m Yeah, I'm I'm moving towards the
end of Zelda, although every time I started up, I played some more
last night and a little bit this morning. And it's uh, I'm like,
oh, man, I see a blank spot on the map. I'm
gonna go clear that in so down on the ground, did you take my
advice to try to like move the main story over or just a little bit?
That is my intention, But I come like, Okay, IM gonna
clean up this and this and this, but that is one like the next
big thing that I go to do. That is like a big important thing.
Actually, the next thing I'm gonna do is I found all the tears
and then something else happened, and I'm gonna go do that. There you
go. So then then I'm gonna go continue and do what you said of
trying to move the main story forward. But that like those are the they're
lined up, everything's in place. I just got to go do it.
Um. And then I just got to pull myself away from like this obsession
with clearing out the the underground map. But I'm pretty close to doing that,
honestly. I do a couple more, I'll be pretty much ready.
Um. So yeah, I don't know. It's it's one of those games
I want to finish. I really want it because I'm like, oh,
I want to move on, but I am still having a really good time
playing it. Um. And then other than that, I don't It's it's
been mostly that I really enjoyed Extra Primal what we played of it. I've
been playing another game for review. I'll try I'll be able to talk about
that next week. So that's kind of been taking up embargo. Come up,
we're paying is Runna two up? Okay, it's right, I think
you're talking about. Yeah, that's what the game I'm talking about is that.
I guess that probably is. I thought I maybe I thought I saw
Goes for it. Maybe I'm taking that up. It's either today or yet
or tomorrow, and I can't remember because it's like we're gonna play it tomorrow
today. Fantastic. Um, I'm thinking of the live streaming embargo. That's
what I'm thinking of. Uh, yeah, okay, it's good. I
think when I played at SGF, they gave me, like, you know,
a level of character, and I was writing the thickest shit and at
that point, it's fantastic. At the start, it's a little bit like,
Okay, you're gonna have to talk to people and get time, get
things in place, and that's there's not too much of that is like just
go to town, talk to this person, Talk to this person, talk
talk to this person. I kind of wish you would just be like,
here's everything you need, just here. It is, go, but it's
not. You're gonna have to talk to one person after another to like get
your gear and learn who you need to talk to in town to do this
stuff. But that's because this is supposed to be like tickets pass from Souls
like and like, you know, those games are very good about that,
like the actual from software Souls games of you are just playing the game,
they're pretty yep, and it's, uh, I think that that is you
know, uh, it's a little annoying, but it's it's not much of
a problem because then once you're playing, it is just it feels good.
The shooting feels good. Um, the action feels good. The enemy's are
cool. Graphically, it looks amazing. It is a very good looking game,
um like technologically and artistic wise. So yeah, I'm very much into
it. And we're gonna try to do a three player quick look and we'll
try to get that up before like maybe early next week something like that,
so we'll see, I mean maybe like later tomorrow actually we'll see what we're
gonna record it soon. So yeah, we did have that Double Dragon guide
and quick look that one up this week. That was that was fun.
I'm still dragon yep, still super into that. Double Dragon is a ton
of fun. Uh yeah, I played. He played more Viewfinder as well,
and that is a good one of those solve them ups, which is
the term I'm choosing them up. Yes, that's the two that someone that's
in chat mentioned that because Dan it's like we'd need a term for this,
and I don't think he liked that. But I really like solve them up,
so of them so stop. Yes, yes, I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna say that, but yes I like it. I don't know,
just sort of stop. I feel like it doesn't get the point across.
You still like it because I came up with it, That's right, That's
exactly what it is. I just feel like I'm playing Stop. Is that
what you're saying? Yeah, like schmops shooting schup. Yeah I get it,
Yes, I know, But I also I also wouldn't say schmup.
Well then you're a bad person. I say shoot. Schmump is like what
Europeans called just a Battle gregga from nineteen ninety six. I did that.
I think there's no chance to get that one on there. There you go.
Um yeah, if you find hers also a pretty good It doesn't seem
like it's all that long. I think that's good. Don't overstay your welcome.
Um. But you know, the core concept of you can take photographs
and then you can hold those photographs up in them too the world and then
walk into those photographs. That's the core. There's a lot of riffs,
like a lot more riffs on that general idea than what you're expecting. But
it also is not like a million more riffs. So you're gonna be playing
this game for thirty hours. It is going to be like a couple hours.
And I think that's pretty cool. I heard this. Does this game
have jokes? It has talking and things that might sound like it's not like
trying to be like hoo or hell it a wild time here, guys.
It is much more. Um, that's a good voice. Thanks, It's
much more just like the people are like having conversations and they're being jovial,
and but it's like kind of it feels that should be silent, right,
Yeah, absolutely, I think it would be much better served if it was
mostly quiet. There's a cat that you talk to. I think maybe if
that is just you talk to the cat, that would have been fine,
But I'm not The dialogue does not enhance the feeling of the world. The
world itself does the job just fine. You know, you get all these
little sprinkles of oh, you are in a simulation, and outside of the
simulation, the pod that you're in is your apartment, and that apartment in
the outside, that apartment is a red world that it's filled with dust and
death, and you like, what happened here, Let's go back in the
simulation. Yeah, where it's like it's all green and pretty and you saw
a tree for the first time in your life and it's like, oh okay.
So it's like, yeah, I think that it's not ruining it for
me, but it's it's not adding much to it. But that's like the
negative thing to say about the game. Really, My bottom line take on
it is the if you were impressed by seeing the visuals of someone holding the
picture and walking into it, that is what the game is, and it
delivers on that repeatedly. I don't know, I play a little bit more
of the Capcom Beat Him Up collection. I went played some of those the
Dungeons and Dragons games they had. I there's so much simpler than I want
them to be, but they're still pretty fun. I wish they were a
little bit more complicated. There's one on there that is more complicated and it
has one of the weird names, but it's a lot of fun. I
got to look it up Capcom. But yeah, I know what you mean,
especially Casino to Reach two kind of change the game there. You're absolutely
right. I uh is it Battle Circuit? Battle Circuit is program cool.
That's one where you can play as the girl on a pink ostrich. Okay,
well, Battle Circuit. Battle Circuit is really fun. I like the
I like the Armored Warriors a good bit too. I just like the idea
of, like of a Dungeons and Dragons one. So it's like, oh,
the King of Dragons and all this stuff. It's like that this seems
like a good fit. You know. It's it's class based. You can
level up, and it's like, yeah, all that stuff's there. But
it's an arcade game. They're not reliant, Like it's not like even Gauntlet
Legends, where it's like, oh, you could insert your initials and your
in sixty four memory card and save your character and come back and stuff like
that. It's like so far away from that. It's much more basic.
There is an inherent problem with like these beat them ups made for Arcade,
where it is like you are just supposed to die a lot. Actually,
like Final Fight, the kind of fight thing there's there's there's that exploit with
a with a guy, or if you do like two punches the right once
it left, two punches on the guy, the one the opposite direction,
you can actually kind of get them in loops and if you get go at
that you can do kind of fun things that make you last longer than maybe
it's supposed to. That's fun. Final Fight sure is impressively. Remember that
game came out of nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, yep, it's it was
really advanced. And I mean all these games look really good. I think
the Pixar and all of them is very excellent. But I've been in the
beat him up mood, so I figure I check that out. Hey,
maybe you should go and play Riverse Girls one. Yeah, I should.
It's time. It is time to check out too soon they had to have
fixed it. I know they fixed it on PC. They hope they fixed
that console version by now that beings saved. They haven't. I'll make time
for them, all right, but that doesn't for me, Mike. We
should wrap the show up after you read the rest of the super chats.
Oh yeah, it's good. A good point there, Jeff uh Oh,
hey, thank you a Luminaris. Thank you for becoming a Lincoln member.
Appreciate that. Burrito says I just accepted a new job that could be great.
Please have a margarita and wish me luck. Hey, I wish you
luck. It's exaculate, Burrito. There's boozing this though, so there you
go. Shaguero Miamoto says I got the idea of Bowser being throwned by Mario
after my wife did this to me. It's one of my top kinks.
I wish cool Chris did this to me. Mario sixty four, Please don't
you weren't I heard you were cheating on the Ninten Dougs this week. Were
you appearing on any other big popular Nintendo podcast. I don't know, Mabe.
We'll see and we'll see what happens next week when the episode comes out.
Yeah, maybe it was a secret. I'll be on the Kitten christ
the podcast next week, so yeah you want to, we'll talk about that.
They were very kind and then uh and then I told him about you
breaking that in Bargo and we laughed and laughed. Ain't it was Actually it
was mostly just they're being like, oh yeah I was involve in that Bargo.
They were very confusing, like well, basically they apologize to you,
Mike, so very incredible. Yep, I want my apology in person,
especially now that that's the now that the apologize for putting you on the show
and not me. So I'm like, I'm so bummed because like I saw
them at SGUF and they're like that's what Kitt reached out. He's like,
I saw you that s but we're so busy. I think. I'm like,
yeah, I wish I would have came said high And they're like,
we would have loved to be on the dram Bomb Couch. I bas like,
fuck, I would have loved to happen on the God really regretting having
you on. Sorry next time for sure. Oh he did. Then at
ten Dogs, Kidd and Christa like like power like Couch that'd be great.
I'd be fantastic. I would love that. Yeah, let's see her now.
El Grug says, Mike is having the angriest staycation. Sorry, everybody
stirring staycation Angry three D. It's like drive Angry three D that Mike Manati
conno what says doing our budget? My wife asked about the YouTube chat Costs
joked that was for those bizarre NBC videos. The truth was, of course,
more embarrassing. Wow, Coke zero is so good. Num yeah yum
Ganga Darrachi says, more like trash Bandicoot. Wow, that sounds pretty fair
to me. You all better play crash Bandicoot for what it shows up on
game paths inevitably, crash Brandocoup for is pretty good, good game. That
is it for the super chats. Not a lot of like running towards the
camera, Crash Bandicoo for not a lot of it. I used to shut
the hell up talk about cheese pizza for babies, I said for I just
said, it's a kid's food, and I love I love food for kids.
That's like it's like hog dogs bigger kids fits cheese. I mean,
like if you got like a Plaine cheeseburger. I would say that that feels
like a kid's food, but I'm not gonna be like, oh, cheeseburger.
Um, yeah, you gave me a burger with just a cheese on
it, I'll eat it, but I man, I I much prefer it
with other stuff on it because of the contrast, just like a pizza.
Um. But yeah, whatever, thanks for listening everybody. Yeah, where
can people find you on the Actually know what? I lost that pole when
I asked on on Twitter. It's like forty five to like fifty five.
It's like in that range, And you know what, that only makes me
more confident because I'm like, that's right, That's where I am with my
opinions. The masses can't handle it, but deep down, the cool people,
the forty five percent, they get me. Thank you, Mike.
Where can people find you on the internet? Yeah, Twitch and Twitter,
go to game Go games Beat. I haven't been working this week, but
they have been. Don't get stuff. I saw Rachel's inherent earlier, so
yeah, yeah, support everybody games Beat please. I'm Jeff grab on Twitch
and Twitter and all that stuff. Luski, I'm on the blue Ski Blue
Sky. Im on the blue scats the one I actually enjoy using, um,
although I don't really enjoy using any of them anymore. I do Twitter
because I don't like not just obligation, but but like like a habit,
Like it's just a what I what I've done? So I keep doing it,
right, That's where you can make fun of me. People will see
it so exactly. So I keep doing that, and I'm good. I'm
gonna keep doing it. There's no threat of me at all ever pulling out
of this stuff, but using it a little bit less. But whatever you
want to get a hold of me. In the phrase pulling out today,
I have I try. I try. Did you notice earlier when I tried
to like stopping out, it's like hold out of the nosedive? Did you
see that? I didn't you knew what was happening? Now, yeah,
you said, you said Antony like three times then said Anthony, you can't
take that away from me. Pulling Now there's no well, yeah, pulling
out is just me saying the words pulling out, and it's like, oh
my god, I can't not do that. Everybody fuck like that. I'm
that's how you know, that's like a bet makes me an expert on the
subject. Plait Race sixty. Play Race sixty a real video game. Oh,
let's freaking go, I'll be back all right, sounds good, Uh,
Devin, Mike, that wasn't a lone pass. Well we do want
right now? Is that good? No, you're ruined THEA. I think
that's good enough. That's good enough. You'll see that. Yeah, you'll
absolutely see that one. Uh. I'm gonna do you one better. I
was just gonna mark it on the time. Sure time stump Neo turf Masters.
This is okay. So if you had a Neo Geo game cartridge,
yeah, can you plug that into the arcade? Yes, I thought because
I thought that was like a think about like a Neo Geo board adapter.
Okay, you need, but it would still basically it's still basically the same
exact thing though, yeah, the same part. Where's that much just understood?
Yes? Okay, Yeah, that's how I discourage it, because,
like, the arcade cartridges were fucking everywhere because you know, they were dirt
cheap and developing countries and shit, and they didn't want the market of the
console and get destroyed, so they basically hardware locked it by putting a different
cartridge. But if you get an adapter, since it's the same hardware,
you can just pop it in. Okay, all right, very cool,
fifty six you're not thinking of you know what what? Yeah, I know,
I know that. I know it's you're gonna how much would it be?
Okay, it's going I'm like, I'm like thinking, like I should
just start. I should just like finally build the main machine, is what
I should do. Oh, that would be dope. That's actually good use
of my time and money rather than just getting a fucking neo geocab. Um.
Although Drew cabs are so pretty. I really like the way they look.
Um, But yeah, I don't know if your local Walmart has any
of the older Arcade one ups on discount. Sometimes you can get those for
like one hundred bucks, and that's like a decent way to get yeah,
an enclosure. You know. I have the Rampage one over here, and
I don't play it very often, and I go and I modded that.
I could just mod that. I do look at that sometimes I think I
should probably do that. Um, people drop in raspberry pies or they've been
doing that from the very beginning, and it's like I really considered that.
And I have a rispberry Pie just sitting around soisberry Pie four, which is
definitely powerful enough. Oh yeah, so I don't know, I think about
it, but we'll see. I think that's what Andy did for his Andy
Robinson or really to see. Okay, we're talking about we were talking about
when we were getting up for SAT for Jeopardy back, and he was telling
me about how, yeah, he just has like a modded It's a Viewlex
machine from Japan. They just modded to have like PC internals basically. Okay,
I should let's thank loom Minaris for joining Lincoln too when we get back.
Yeah, I real some water, I'm gonna do that, and then
we get started. Mike, like, you like astro astro Boy, I
said, astro Butt, Christian astra Butt. I mean my understanding is that
Mega Man's basically astro boys. I guess I have no problem with astro Boy,
but I have consumed a very little astro bloy content in my life.
I mean, if you like Mega Man, you probably like Astra Boy.
It's on the whimsical side of things too. We're thinking you don't worry.
Yeah, I mean there was that movie that came out with like Nick Cage's
Astro Boy's father, like ten years ago. I'm gonna watch that like they're
making the money. Yeah, they're making that that that Pluto anim about the
Pluto, the the there's a character, there's a detective and Astro Astra Boy,
and they're making a show about that detective. It is very beloved.
So I'm kind of excited about that. Here's this video. But this go
into every manga rita fill is it the same that went to every like gas
station and coffee whatever. The chef talks a little about. I don't know,
I'm gonna count I'm gonna have guests, Jeff gonna have guests. Jeff
guests, I mean muggeryvels he thinks are in the United States. You can't
explain with how is it all bad at basketball? How is it call?
How do you? How do you? How did those generous call dating shotty?
I never heard about popping shot? What the fuck is that? What's
up? You suck at basketball? I was just supposed to say, I've
never heard it called a popping shop either. I am getting a little bit
better I was. I'm very good at you Listen this isn't gonna surprise you.
I'm very good at ball handling, very good at dribbling and passing.
I was always terrible at shooting. I broke my collarbone as a kid,
and just getting this to like here, it's like always a problem after that.
I was. I was always the ops. I was a good shot.
I can move down the court. Yeah, I remember I U.
I was. We were just playing a pickup game in school and I would
like I could like dribble around everyone, and like the basketball coach in middle
schools like, why aren't you on the basketball team? And then he saw
me shoot and he's like, all right, don't need to talk to him
anymore. I was like, listen, I yet it was that's why no,
not to go out for the basketball team. I'm fine, Um,
all right, it's pretty good at It's fun to have this thing because it's
like I am like finally figuring out the mechanics though of the shot, and
they're like, I'm a way more used to be the thing. I just
like to have a conversation my friends sometimes not for a long break, and
I think we should get ready for the scene because I see what's gonna happen.
We're gonna You're gonna talk with Christian for five more minutes about something and
then be like, oh, I'm not ready for this. Uh because game
we're playing on the gun the podcast Wish just hanging out. I'm killing you.
I think Friends Day. Alright, let's see here. I think I
think. I think it's because I think he's friends Friends Day here because like
one guy I saw the moon landing and he decided to send letters to the
entire world and one of the countries. I don't know, he's still weird.
It's very prettier side of line, but he's ready. Yeah, I
don't know. What's the Friends Day today. We're almost good. Let me
just get the game properly framed. They don't get yelled at when stats come
in at the end of the year. If he's really you should watch Astro
Boy, Mike. I would love to watch whatever I want to watch.
And maybe I'm sure. I'm just gonna say it was like, yeah,
still we need beaten down by work at the end of the day. Yeah,
that's the energy idea. It's been it's been a weird week. We
need to think him out to like run aroun on the coroner or something.
Yeah. Yeah, you're like taking the weird energy, taking the discovery sounds
so you can get some energy out in those tunnels there. Yeah, a
weird week. I think I'm gonna bring us back in after a hefty pause.
Don't worry, I'm not gonna run it. Do another shot. That's
music. All right, there we go. All right, let just be
a second, everybody, um let me see here. I'm gonna close this
hot sound fire Mike's d zare Vie. Oh yeah, that's incredible. That's
one thing. You know, we didn have multiple things in common, but
were both sharing intense level. For Rocky, Yeah, that that movie is
just like it's like two only two fights, and like it's like montages.
It's all you need montages and then and then a big speech at the end.
It's it's awesome. Yeah. I love that movie. So I don't
want to Director's cut. I don't know if I want to. It's fine,
but you know, Rocky for original, it's the way to do it.
It's like re edited to be a little bit more serious. I get
rid of the robot. That's right, right, right, what are you
doing with that? I clicked on the thing to go to this browser.
And that's just this podcast is so chaotic. Yeah, I like it.
Well you like it too. It's messy. Yeah, I get it,
I get it, I get it, get it. Let's see here.
That's that's writer right there. Yeah, so fine, Yeah, that's that's
yeah, that's Mike. Yeah, that's Mike. I have a credit on
a on this trailer video Moness trailer. That's right, that's right, watching
watch on the same watch all of them, but especially the Portal two and
street Fighter six ones that I helped with. For no particular. I had
to pick a little joke in Portal too. I was proud of that.
He's funny. You don't know it's funny. You thank you. I agree
with that. Wow, Okay, it still feels so perverted to hold Antil
sixty four control like this with like the deep Absolutely, that's that's what we're
staring at, the Intil sixty four dick in front of me. I hold,
you're holding pigtails and you're gonna get in there you want to? Okay,
getting regretsive there now. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's
not my fault. This podcast. It's weird. I don't know what's try it's silently