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M. The following presentation isn't al
Marve Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers

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from around the world. It's time
for another edition of the Flat Earth Files.

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I hope this podcast finds everyone well, hope everyone has a great week

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standing by. Who will be joining
us in just a moment is our guest

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for this evening Steve. Before we
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a busy weekend. We have Steve
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weekend, so lots of content coming
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be listening for the first time,
when you're done listening to this podcast,

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it might help if you go back
to episode one and listen your way through

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the first ten episodes or so.
We kind of discuss our theory, or

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at least my theory on flat Earth
that may not be exactly what you think

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it is, and you'll be surprised
when you're challenged, you know, versus

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what you've been taught your entire life. How much sense you know, lack

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of a better words, the flat
Earth, how much it makes sense versus

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the heliocentric model. So there you
go, Thank you all for listening,

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and without any further ado, it's
time to bring our guest for this evening

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on joining us tonight is Steve,
and Steve, I want to thank you

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so much for reaching out and joining
us this evening, sir, how are

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you doing great? George? And
I can't tell you know how appreciative I

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am for the opportunity to be here. Well, I'm humbled that you joined

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us and we talked for a little
while before the program. And by the

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way, when this is over and
you'd like to reach out to Steve,

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his email address will be linked in
the show description. That is STJCMC nineteen

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ninety nine at gmail dot com.
Also, his YouTube channel will be linked

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in the show description as well,
so make sure you check all that out.

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Steve. First of all, how
did you come upon How did you

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find the podcast? Actually? I
just did a search. I listened to

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quite a few podcasts on finances and
religion and different things like that. So

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when I finally came to the light
on the falsity of the heliocentric model,

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I began to just look for resources
and material on flat Earth, and I

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searched Google podcasts and yours came up. Isn't that funny? We were talking

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before the podcast that kind of the
double edged sword of the word flat earth,

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how it can be so divisive,
not just in the truth community,

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but you know, at the water
you know, the water break or the

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coffee break area at your work.
But at the same time, that is

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how so many people have found the
podcast through the Flat Earth. Could you

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let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Please take your time and introduce yourself to

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the audience. Oh, okay,
be glad to well. My name is

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Stephen Giles. I reside in the
Phoenix, Arizona area. I am a

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husband and father of four. I've
been married for going on twenty five years

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now, which is pretty amazing thanks
to my wife. Right absolutely have four

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kids arranging from ages of twenty two
all the way down to fifteen. I

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am a Christian. I'd like to
kind of mention that have been for I

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would say over twenty years now.
And career wise, i am a insurance

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broker by profession. I've been doing
that for many years. And yeah,

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just a little bit about me,
mean anything you want to ask me.

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I'm kind of an open book.
Yeah, for sure. Let's talk a

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little bit about your journey to the
truth. Let me ask you first.

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In you know, we talk about
those rabbit holes, whether it be nine

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eleven or JFK or the moon landing. Have you were you of the conspiratorial

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mind prior to coming upon flat Earth, I was. And the thing that

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really triggered it, and I'm so
thankful to God that it happened. And

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this is probably gonna make you laugh, but it was the freaking Chinese by

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balloon. Do you remember that?
Absolutely? Yeah. So everybody's running around

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saying, oh, Chinese biballoo,
Chinese bibaloo, And I'm like, don't

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you guys see that freaking satellite hanging
from the balloon? Why no one talking

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about that? And if and if
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we have to put them on balloon? So that's what really made me begin

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to It really opened up my mind
to be willing to listen to the flat

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earth argument. Does that make sense? Yeah? Absolutely? You know we

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talk about many of there, what's
the word I'm looking for? You know

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that their deceits backfire on them.
I believe, and I've proved from many

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of our guests that we've already had
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COVID card and people like, wait
a second, everything that you said for

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the last two years is and add
it up. And that kind of pushed

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a lot of people into the truth
community, and then right they tell you

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that these satellites are, however,
many miles in space and just kind of

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floating around. The next thing,
you know, there's a satellite on a

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balloon kind of floating around Montana,
and nobody questions that. Everybody's just like,

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oh those Chinese there, what we
We're not going to shoot it down

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until it gets into the ocean,
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a satellite on a balloon? Right
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point where no one It's crazy that
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on some of the more conspiratorial podcast
guys who don't believe in flat Earth,

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but they're more against they believe in
a lot of conspiracies or what's beemed ask

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conspiracies, they were mentioning nothing about
the satellite. I'm like, it's right

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there in your face. People,
just open your eyes, right, that's

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right. So you know, once
that kind of happened, how did you

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research flat Earth and what tools did
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know, I'm sure I don't know
if it was a long road a short

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road, because for me, it
was a lot of denial and then finally

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acceptance. But even once I accepted
flat Earth, it was a lot of

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internal turmoil and then it turned to
you know, kind of like a release,

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like I'm free and I you know, I don't you know this this

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world belongs to God, not to
man. That's kind of the whole thing

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that I went through. How was
it for you? Yeah, all my

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life, George, I've been kind
of an information nut. As a small

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child with my brothers would be outside
playing around in the late seventies, in

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the eighties, I would be in
the house reading Encyclopedia Britannica. Do you

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remember, though, ably we didn't
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uh you know, and in the
early eighties, as I was going into

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high school, we had encyclopedias from
like the mid to late sixties. I

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don't remember exactly when, but the
encyclopedias were fifteen or twenty years old.

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But yeah, I'd sit around and
read them, yep. And people would

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go door to door selling those things. So my mom bought a set,

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a wonderful set, and I would
just sit there and read and read them.

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And I and I just you're just
gathering all types of information about pretty

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much everything. You're kind of a
Swiss army knife when when it the knowledge

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when you read those things. So
I've always been like that. So once

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I began to think about that Chinese
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was, um, I just began
to just google and search for different things.

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So I'm a subscriber to Kindle.
I'm also a subscriber to Audible by

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Amazon, so I'm begin to listen
to different audio books, read different books

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by different authors. What's the guy
the app something? You know, the

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David guy who had Yeah, David
Weiss. I have that app on my

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phone and just using that YouTube channel. And then there's some other YouTube channels

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that are really good. I have
to kind of pull them up just so

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I can have so much information in
my head. But there's another one about

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a guy who passed away a few
years ago from like COVID, but he

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was really good. You will probably
know who he is. Yeah, I'm

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looking here. Celebrate Truth is one
of them. Have you ever heard of

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that YouTube channel? Yes? Absolutely, I sure have. They do a

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lot of twenty four seven streams on
YouTube. Correct. That's one, and

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then there's another one, Rob Seba
Rob Skiba. He's the gentleman who died

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I think last year. Correct,
that's the one I'm talking about. Yeah,

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he was great. Yeah. So
basically I just began to gobble up

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all the types of information that I
can find. And there's a really good

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book I'd like to recommend to everyone, and it's by a guy named Nathan

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Roberts, and it's called The Doctrine
of the Shape of the Earth. And

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I think it's like a number one
seller on some lists really, but yeah,

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it's called The Doctrine of the Shape
of the Earth. A Comprehensive Biblical

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Perspective by Nathan Roberts, and it
is a books a million I'm looking along

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Amazon. It runs you about nineteen
ninety nine in paperback, or if you

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have Kendall Unlimited it is free.
There's three hundred and twenty three ratings and

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it's four point six, so very
highly rated book for sure, Right,

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and you know the point four is
probably from guys who worship Copernicus. Correct,

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And uh yeah, it's the same
people who give me the one stars

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on my podcast or views, people
who don't even listen to flatterth people.

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Right, if you have a kiss
podcast, they're going to complain that you're

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not talking about led Zeppelin those type
of people, right right. And Air

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Dubai, obviously, everyone in the
flatterth movement knows their Dubai. He has

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some really good materials. At least
his stuff gets you to thinking and it

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really encourages you just to use common
sense on some of this stuff. So

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I've listened to some of his and
read some of his material as well.

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That's awesome. Well, I just
bought his book and it will be here

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Sunday, so I look forward to
reading that. Oh yeah, it's really

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good. I'm gonna make sure you
get your commission check. I wish I

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need it. I'll take I'll take
ten percent. I'll take a tithe off

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of that. There you go.
That's awesome. Yeah, that's we need

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more of those books and we need
to bring light to it. And as

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we were talking before, like yourself, so many people who have come on

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this program are who are either starting
or have YouTube channels or podcasts, and

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they are spreading on the word.
And the more people we get out there

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speaking the word, you know,
the better chance we have of gaining someone's

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attention. And I do see I
hate using the term Great Awakening because that

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was kind of hijacked by the que
people. But there is a bit of

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an awakening both on flat earth biblical
earth. And I don't know if I

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want to use a Jesus revolution or
I do see people coming back to God,

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because going back to Covid and just
people, they're not even hiding this

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evil anymore. Right, It used
to be they used to hide it,

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like the old Disney movies they would
use kind of you know, there's YouTube

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videos on how the Walt Disney and
Disney used to incorporate some nasty things within

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their innocent cartoons. Well that they
weren't even hide it anymore. It's completely

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in our face, right, right, And that's what pride and arrogance,

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when it runs its course, that's
what that's the result of that, that's

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the fruit of that. But there's
just no more shame, there's no more

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fear of any kind of retribution in
and not to sidetrack biblically, if you

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look at the Old Testament in the
Nation of Israel and the many of the

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times that God punished them, it's
when they got to the climax of their

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moment of pride and decadence. Right, yes, and they had no more

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shame, and they had this attitude
of God does not see, right,

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but he does look that He sits
on high on the firmament, of course,

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and he looks down low, so
he sees what's going on. Yeah,

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exactly. And the Bible is very
clear and God is very clear about

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being prideful. And it's you know, that's a double slap with the whole

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pride thing. Number one, using
the term pride and throw it in our

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faces knowing it's evil, and then
stealing the covenant that God, you know,

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the symbol of the covenant that God
used after the flood to kind of

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say, hey, this will never
happen again, the covenant between God and

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man, and that was hijacked and
people, even you know many I don't.

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I hate to use this term,
but is it okay to say fair

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weather Christians who jump on with that
and kind of you know who support that.

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And once again, God loves everyone. You know, it's one of

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those complicated subjects. Well, it's
not really complicated because God doesn't really coexist

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with evil, but he does say
love everyone and um, but you know,

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he does not beat around the bush
with pride and certainly doesn't beat around

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the bush with you know, God's
symbols shouldn't be hijacked and used for um,

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you know those type of things,
right, And there's a there's a

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reason for that. And you know, I'm just going to kind of mention

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that the reason people get that way
is because God is so loving, kind

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and patient with us. Right.
He gives us time to turn away because

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he gets no pleasure in bringing retribution
and destruction. Right, he gets no

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pleasure out of showing that side of
him. Just like a good father wants

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to love and nurture and encourage and
support their children. But there's also a

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part of every father that has discipline. But any good father will tell you

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they don't enjoy discipline their children,
right, They would rather just shower blessings

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on those children. So and second
Peter to chapter three, it says,

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but loved, do not forget this
one thing that with the Lord, one

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day is that of a thousand years, and a thousand years is one day.

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The Lord is not slack concerning his
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as long suffering towards us, not
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all should come to repentance. So
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forget, is that in their pride
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just very very patient, unlike us
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you know I've said this before.
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type of conversations talking about you know, Sodom and Gomorrah compared to how things

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were today. Obviously will never know
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I would say that it at least
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at a minimum, what is going
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And we've seen it happen before.
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Republican that got crushed. But that's
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very patient because you know, I
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people and I'm talking about people who
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torment. I don't torment, is
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but like, we want to be
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government, the people who run this
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The warmongers their liars, you know, the Bible's very clear about usury and

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the banks run this country, and
we could go on and on and on

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about how they you know, right, you know, continue to and all

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of this is a spiritual war.
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and I hope people realize all of
this stuff is all encompassing, you

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know, all of these topics we
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war. You know. Satan know
where how the story ends. He knows,

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and I believe he's just trying to
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to Hell with him. And that's
why the decadence. And they want you

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to be comfortable and happy. And
what was it that Alistair Crawley said,

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do what thou wilt right, Just
do your thing and joint, eat,

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drink and be merry, for there
is no tomorrow. And um, don't

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mistake God's kindness for um, what's
the word I'm looking for here? Don't

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mistake? Go ahead, go ahead, No, no, you go ahead,

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George. I was just gonna say, don't mistake God's kindness for you.

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Don't guarantee for eternal life because he's
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without you know, crossing your teas
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into your heart as your personal Lord
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think you are, if you don't
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God doesn't ask much of us.
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if you lived for worldly things and
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tonight. So you know, we
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I did, we talked about right
like because people say, oh, that

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George, he's a prepper, right, he raises chickens, and but you

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know you should look at eternity the
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Because we don't know when the next
emergency is going to be here? Do

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you do? You have your food
and your water? Well, you don't

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know when God's going to call your
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this Uh, I'm gonna use the

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term flat earth even though rather not
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better term, that's why this is
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as I'm concerned anyway from a biblical
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because that's where I think we can
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life. If you read Matthew chapter
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and I'm sure you're familiar that with
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by the devil. Each time,
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he says, it is written,
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and the last it is written,
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what that tells me is that Jesus
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brother that God sent to us.
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defeat the devil. And it's through
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but assimilating it and living by the
world of God. And if we use

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this strictly the scriptures to determine our
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I think that could be a great
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as away from all the secularism that
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you're spot on for pulling that out, because he does answer every time.

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It is written. Man shall not
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that he will command his angels concerning
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couple episodes ago that you know,
when I do my preparing for the Fact

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Hunter, I'm on all these different
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the book for our answers, right, And now, I understand you're not

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going to find the answers to nine
to eleven and the Jeff k assassination in

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the Bible. But I think more
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goes back to Psalm's one eighteen eight, right, that kind of says,

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don't trust in man, you should
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we have problems, we go to
doctor Fauci, we go to Donald Trump,

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we go to this person, but
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God? Don't forget doctor Phil's Doctor
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oh yeah. And I think it's
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really need to be people of the
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really bring awareness within the Christian community
that we have answers in regards to our

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earth, in our universe, if
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be our worldview, what should be
our our paradigm in and the fact of

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the matter is, George, is
that the Bible never says that the Earth

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is a sphere. It never says
that it rotates at one thousand miles power,

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hour, and it never ever mentions
planet except the Earth. And the list

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goes on and on and on.
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visions may have some words sprinkling there, but if you go back to closer

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to the earlier Bibles, like the
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King James, you're not going to
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reading the Good News translation. I'm
not sure if you've ever heard of that,

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but it was basically making it look
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totally eliminated that option. So we
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book and just base everything off of
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our lives. And that's what our
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God send them here for a reason
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us, but also to show up. What does it look like when a

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human being lives in perfect harmony with
God the Father? Right? So we

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can follow him all in victory?
In this battle? It gets evil if

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we, you know, be people
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I get that question a lot,
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is hey, what version do you
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I got older, and especially my
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be translated, I understood that when
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the exact meaning. My wife,
her family is Hungarian, right, we

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got married and Hungary, and I
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things get lost in translation. And
I thought to myself, well, that

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would probably go for the Bible as
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Because anytimes something is translated, would
you not agree that it's everybody? Can

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Like if I handed a book to
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would it mean the exact same thing
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people would receive it differently than others. Oh, you're one hundred percent correct,

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because we have to remember translators or
our robots, they're human being,

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so they have their own biases,
their own influences, their own pressures.

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They don't typically translate in a vacuum. They have to be supported financially.

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As a matter of fact, when
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sixteen eleven, King James had specific
wordy that he even wanted in the King

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James Bible on certain topics, like, for instance, in the Greek the

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word church, the word that's translated
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word that means ecclesia. The true
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which is how it probably should have
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wanted to shure up the authority of
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right, he had them translate and
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assembly, So that word wasn't only
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also used to relate to all types
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just like us. And sometimes they
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in their opinion, bring about the
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Yeah, and then you have the
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to listen to who not to listen
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but I'm going to say it because
this is how I feel. You

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have people like the Kenneth Copeland's,
the Todd Whites, the ce Peter Wagner's,

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the low Angles, these guys who
take things and a run even further

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with it. The people who fall
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the new Apostolictic Reformation, which tries
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it's you know, I don't know, it's you're exactly right, you know.

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to turn there, Mark chapter thirteen, verse twenty five. I'm gonna read

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that really quick from just pointing up
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predicting when he will return, and
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that tribulation, the sun will be
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light, the stars of heaven will
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will be shaken. Then they will
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clouds with great power and glory.
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gather together his elect from the four
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Earth, the furthest part of Heaven. Now, though, I want to

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call your attention to where it says, and the moon will not give its

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light, the stars of heaven will
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be shaken. Now, if you
take that verse, I'm just highlighting in

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here on my app and you look
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it said and in the days after
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will grow dark, the moon will
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from heaven and the powers and it
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The good News trans good News? And

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for those at home again, it
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right here. There's like three different
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four. Let's just try good news
translation US version. Yeah, that that

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should work. All right, let's
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it takes me all the way back. Okay, here we go the trouble.

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The sun will grow dark, the
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stars will fall from heaven, and
the powers in space. So instead of

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heaven, the translator decided the translators
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What does that do? Well?
That just reinforces the heliocentric model,

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that's all it does. So you
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translations, if that makes sense.
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gonna have to send this to a
Mike. Our guests from a couple of

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weeks ago, we had this conversation
that is that's big. That is again,

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listen, you don't have to accept
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these things in a sense hide God
right exactly. So then you have Christians

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who believe that God used evolution to
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Big Bang, and and you have
and sincere Christians who I think are deceived

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will say, well, it's hard
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we're just a cinner. It's easier
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infinite, ever expanding galaxy where there
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and there is no left and right, because to them, in their

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mind, they've really created a God
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sense, because that's the type of
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In the Decalogue or the Ten Commandments
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in your own image, versus the
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to us in scripture after scripture that
the earth has a foundation, that it

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doesn't move, that it has four
corners, it has a cornerstone. It

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has then the firmament is a heartened
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God's throne is sitting on the firmament. The only planet that's mentioned is

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Earth. I mean, it's in
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scripture after scripture. But it's like
our eyes have been glazed and we can't

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really see past the door and doorwarinism
that's been kind of pushed at us every

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since we enrolled in elementary public school. Do you think that many of the

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preachers are afraid to even look at
this because, to be honest, where

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at a time where church attendance is
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you think this is one of those
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this. I don't want to chase

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you know, what congregation I have
left. I don't want to go chasing

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them off. I honestly believe,
George, that they are not even aware

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of what they're doing, because I
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think that it's par for the course, it's just what you've always been taught.

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takes obviously a move of God's spirit

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along with people like yourself who continues
to put out good material and good content,

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and these preachers out there, they
will eventually run across it, and

408
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.839
God will quicken their hearts and open
their eyes and remove the scales from their

409
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.799
eyes that they that they will see. But I, honestly, in my

410
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.079
heart of hearts, don't think that
I don't think that they're even aware that

411
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.200
there is another option. Yeah,
I think for the most part, you're

412
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.359
right. Let me put it to
you this way. What percentage of preachers

413
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.599
if they did come across this information. What percentage of preachers And of course

414
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:40.119
this is just conjecture here, but
in your estimation, what percentage of preachers

415
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.599
would have the courage to address it
with this congregate his or her congregation?

416
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.680
Oh, less than ten percent?
I agree, probably less than five.

417
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.279
And but that doesn't just stop with
flat earth. That comes with other subjects

418
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.920
as well. Right, Yeah,
No, you're you're one hundred year a

419
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.960
thousand percent right on that. Yeah, they don't want to upset the apple

420
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.880
cart that or kill the goose that's
laying the golden egg. That's right,

421
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.680
that's right. And by the way, when I said his or her church,

422
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.839
I completely understand what the Bible says
about males leading the church. Um,

423
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:20.920
right, that's what the Bible says. Absolute. You sound like the

424
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.960
kind of person who has no problem
talking to complete strangers about the Bible.

425
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.759
Not at all. I feel more
comfortable talking about the Bible than I do

426
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.680
about the latest football or baseball game. So let me ask you this.

427
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.640
How have you been? Well,
first, how long have you been?

428
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:44.480
You know, I'm a flat earth. Let me think it started? When

429
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:51.480
did we had a Chinese biba loon
thing? Let me say Chinese by what

430
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.119
was it last fall? Right?
Yeah, so that's when the first domino

431
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.599
fail, I'll put it that way. No, it's February with this year.

432
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.680
You know, when you get older, you can't I can't keep track

433
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:02.319
of time anymore. I don't know
if something happened yesterday or ten years ago.

434
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.799
So this was February of twenty twenty
three, so well five months.

435
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.680
Yeah, But I've been like NonStop, just digesting all the material that I

436
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:17.519
can on this subject. And every
night, me and my family we have

437
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.200
well not every night, most nights
we have a Bible study and I bring

438
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.319
it up to my kids and they
give me a hard time and they argue

439
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:29.279
with me, but they all do
it in fun, right. And I

440
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.759
actually went in for Father's Day.
Let me tell you what I got for

441
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.119
Father's Day. I never would have
bought this in a thousand years. George

442
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.279
actually went out. I didn't go
out. My kids and my wife got

443
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:43.759
together and they got me a night
come p one, no kid camera yes,

444
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.599
specific camera, tripod and everything.
And I've been going out looking at

445
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:54.200
Venus for the past few nights and
it's definitely that planet is definitely a star.

446
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:58.279
They call it a planet, but
it's a story. It doesn't look

447
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.039
anything like NASA shows you doesn't.
No, it doesn't. Let me ask

448
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.440
you this can I can? I
ask you one question real quick before I

449
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.639
forget. Does it look like it's
shimmering with a water reflection count? Do

450
00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:13.320
you understand what I'm saying? Absolutely? And what's so beautiful about it?

451
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.039
It looks like a human cell.
It has a center, It has a

452
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:23.239
perfect octagon outline, I mean perfect
outline on it, and you can see

453
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:29.519
it flowing in the middle. It's
amazing how it looks. But it looks

454
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.320
like a human cell off almost because
it has a nucleus right in the middle.

455
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:37.360
It's like it's perfectly designed and the
outside is a perfect octagon if you

456
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:45.239
can get close enough, a perfect
octagon shake. It's not like a random

457
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.320
as far as the borders of the
right. That's awesome. Have you been

458
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.119
able to able to capture that video
and put it on your YouTube channel yet?

459
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.400
I have not downloaded. I have
it on my little memory card.

460
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.079
I need to download it in and
upload. That would probably be a good

461
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.519
idea for me to do that.
Yeah, that would be trying to figure

462
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:07.320
that camera out. That camera is
pretty complicated. Yeah, it's it's super

463
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.320
high tech. That's awesome. Your
your wife and children did that for you.

464
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:15.320
That's awesome. And you're you're kind
of in an area. Um,

465
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.760
how far is the salt flats from
your area? Like five hours? Four

466
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.639
hours? Yeah, something like that. That would be awesome because there are

467
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:28.000
some areas out there where you should
be able to see far past the curve.

468
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.519
We have one or two listeners out
there that have emailed me that they

469
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.440
said they've gone to those areas and
they can see without a doubt. Um,

470
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:43.000
well, well beyond the curve absolutely. Um, you just have to

471
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.880
open your eyes and look. And
you know what I was getting to when

472
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.880
I asked you, I said,
uh, Steve, you don't sound like

473
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.039
someone who's afraid to talk about God. So what I wanted to ask you

474
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:59.480
was, how have you been able
or have you even really tried to communicate

475
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.559
with flat Earth with? And obviously
your family you've discussed it with them.

476
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.840
They got either P one thousand,
but friends, family, have you had

477
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:14.400
any luck having that conversation. Not
yet. I've been sitting like videos and

478
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.719
different things like that, just trying
to break the ice a little bit and

479
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.039
just trying to see how they're going
to respond. But no, not yet.

480
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.920
That's my next that's my next big
challenge that I want to get I

481
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.960
want to get to. I think
you're doing it right. You kind of

482
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:36.760
you leave the introductions, leave some
breadcrumbs. You hope that maybe they pop

483
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:38.840
open a four or five minute video
just to kind of, you know,

484
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.320
do a brief introduction. And I
mean obviously with family and members, for

485
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:47.039
the most part, they're not even
gonna they'll just laugh if they won't even

486
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.119
give you the time of day.
Because again, they have to be ready

487
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:58.039
to listen and be open minded to
it, right, because sometimes when you

488
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.960
force something on it, you can
actually chase them away more than anything else.

489
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.480
Right. Right, there's a really
good video. I don't know.

490
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.920
It's a documentary documentary that was created
in twenty twenty and you've probably seen it,

491
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.559
but it's called World Upside Down.
Have you seen that one? Yes?

492
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.440
Yep, yep, Yeah, that's
the one I've been sending out.

493
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:21.519
It's been really good. And when
I showed it to my children that I

494
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.159
think that really kind of helped them
turn the corner a little bit to listening

495
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.679
to me. You know, our
kids are they don't listening to you.

496
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.639
They have to hear from someone else. But when I showed them that documentary,

497
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:35.000
that helped them turn the corner a
little bit. So I think they're

498
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.960
going to get there. Yeah.
And I think introducing it because that's you

499
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.760
know, the children of today,
their YouTube they're the TikTok or So if

500
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.599
you're able to incorporate those messages on
those platforms, I think it's really beneficial

501
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:51.920
for getting the message across. Right. And there's another good video you may

502
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.480
want to watch. It's by a
YouTube channel called Bible Project. But they

503
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.880
have a video called what the Bible
Authors Meant by the World Earth, and

504
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.639
they talk about the firmament. They
talk about the waters above the heavens and

505
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.639
they're they're still water up there.
And that's kind of risky for these guys

506
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.760
because they're I mean, they have
a lot of loop. They're not they're

507
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.119
not flat earthers though at all.
So the Bible Project, it looks like

508
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:22.280
they got almost three point seven million
subscribers. Yes, you look up their

509
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.239
video called what the Bible Authors Meant
by the Word Earth. They do an

510
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:31.400
excellent job explaining the firmament, and
it sounds like they're flat earthers without admitting

511
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.599
their flatters. Well, there's one
I see. It says what the Bible

512
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.679
Authors meant by the word Earth?
Is that the one you said? That's

513
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.800
the one I found it? Okay, let me click on it and if

514
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.599
I okay, I stopped it.
I will make sure I put that in

515
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.360
the show description for the listeners.
It's about twenty three minutes long and it's

516
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.880
got forty three thousand views. That
but there, that's interesting. They talk

517
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.960
about the firmament and what the word
men about Earth, but they haven't really

518
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:59.000
broached the topic yet. Huh,
nope, nope. But if you listen

519
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:04.199
to them, they're pretty much describing
flatter. Yeah, I'm based on based

520
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.239
on the text of scripture. That's
what they're doing, which is really good.

521
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.159
It's interesting. I'm going through all
the topics I've yet I'm sorry the

522
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.440
comments, and I've yet to see
the word I haven't seen a flat earther

523
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.039
in there yet. No, there's
one. Good to hear you delving into

524
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.840
this, I'm convinced NASA, Hollywood, and textbooks all been lies good.

525
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.039
So there are some flat earthers within
the comments too. And you know,

526
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.480
these guys are just straight Bible,
which is great. We need that.

527
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.239
Yeah, absolutely. And by the
way, the book of Job has some

528
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.480
references into the firmament as well.
I think Job twenty two, yes it

529
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:43.000
does, and that's a really good
one. Joe thirty seven also is a

530
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.559
good one. I think it's thirty
seven eighteen. Can you pull that one

531
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.519
up and let me know you said
Job thirty seven eighteen. I think it's

532
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:57.000
thirty seven eighteen. What is that
one? Job thirty seven eighteen says hast

533
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.360
thou with him spread out the sky
which is strong and as a mountain looking

534
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:06.760
glass. Yep. And then another
one would be Joe's twenty six seven.

535
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:15.639
Let's see here, twenty six seven, and it says he stretches out the

536
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:23.719
north over the empty place, and
hangeth the earth upon nothing. M Earth

537
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:31.239
doesn't move, Nope, it does
not move. He stretches out the north

538
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:36.960
over the empty place. Do you
think he's talking about the North pole there?

539
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:42.519
I'm not sure that's kind of what
I was leaning toward a little bit.

540
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.880
But the biggest thing I got on
that is that the earth is not

541
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:51.119
He hung it in place. When
you hang something in place, are you

542
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:55.320
in ten for it to move?
Of course not exactly. So the earth

543
00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:00.880
is not rotating and it's not orbiting. It's just there. He hung it

544
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:02.400
where it was supposed to be.
When I hang my clothes in my closet,

545
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.079
I don't expect him to move back
and forth on the rack while I'm

546
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.639
gone. So that's kind of what
I get from that birth that he hung

547
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.280
it on nothing. He hung it
in plays and that's where it's supposed to

548
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.639
stay. And you know, one
of our listeners, boy, I wish

549
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:23.880
I could find that email real quick. He's from Pennsylvania and he had mentioned

550
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:31.440
that where is it? My goodness. Anyway, he was saying about how

551
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.320
he got his car washed, and
you know how when you're driving at when

552
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:38.800
he come out of the car washing, there's just that Oh, here it

553
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.320
is. He says. I was
spraying the windshield fluid on my windshield and

554
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:49.559
after the wipers had finished, that
fluid that didn't get pushed to the side

555
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.800
was running straight down the window.
Then I made a slight turn at less

556
00:41:53.840 --> 00:42:00.480
than ten miles per hour, and
the fluid changed direction as the hearn what's

557
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:06.280
happening. I stopped, and the
fluid went to straight to running straight again.

558
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.800
So the earth rotates at a thousand
miles per hour and water lays still

559
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:15.599
come on. Man. And that
was from Justin and I think he's in

560
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.039
Pennsylvania. Pardon me if I'm wrong, but thanks. He just sent that

561
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:21.400
today. I thought that was a
good time to drop that in there.

562
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:27.639
Oh no, that's perfect, That's
absolutely perfect, and um, that goes,

563
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.880
go ahead, buddy. I wanted
to I wanted to recommend another resource

564
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.239
that's been very bit beneficial to me. I don't know if any of your

565
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.400
listeners use as audible, but there's
an audio book called Flat Earth and inspired

566
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:44.159
guy named Caspian Thor Jensen. I
think it's how you pronounced his name as

567
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:49.239
c S p I A N.
Last name is s A R g I

568
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.119
N s o N. It's a
brilliant, brilliant audio book. Got break

569
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.960
Oh you found it, yes,
sir, that I'll be in the show

570
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.880
to description as well. It was. He actually just updated it this year.

571
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.519
Flat Earth with the Bible actually says
every verse in the Bible on creation,

572
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.039
and by the way, he in
big bold letters, it says there's

573
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.559
a special message to pastors. Yes, so you would, I think you'll

574
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:20.599
enjoy that one. Yeah, let's
read what it says. It says,

575
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.639
did you know the Bible says the
earth hangs in space exactly where God placed

576
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:28.559
it, and that the earth has
a foundation and the earth never moves,

577
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.639
that it sits on pillars, has
four corners, has a cornerstone, has

578
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:37.079
ends, and that the firmament is
a heart and substance. That's very interesting.

579
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.239
Yeah, he comes at it from
a biblical point of view, and

580
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.320
at the end or some point in
there, I guess he has a message.

581
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.719
I guess he's challenges the pastors to
say, hey, this is something

582
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:51.480
that you should be teaching in your
church. It runs about seven hours,

583
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.440
seventeen five star ratings, and if
you're a prime member, you can looks

584
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.840
like you can get three months free
right now, So there you go.

585
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:06.159
Yeah, it's really really good.
Yeah. I was gonna thinking about putting

586
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.119
that out some type of way.
It's just really good. Just we're very

587
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:13.519
well laid out, and uh,
it really convicts you because it makes you

588
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:19.840
realize that you've based your belief on
the earth, based on pretty much atheist

589
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.199
and you've totally disregarded what the Bible
actually says. You know, it's very

590
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.559
convicted, right, and you know, if you're part of the Protestant Church,

591
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:34.519
if you are right, then you
shouldn't be listening to Jesuits, that's

592
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.920
for sure, right right. I
mean, that's it still shocks me to

593
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.920
this day how many people don't understand
what the word Protestant means, right.

594
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.920
Right, protests, that's the root
word, protests, right, protests Catholicism.

595
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:52.480
And there's still many churches today that
said the Apostles creed that acknowledges the

596
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.920
Catholic Church. What do you what
are we doing here? Right? Yeah?

597
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:59.159
We can go back even further.
Jesus, right, the originator,

598
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.280
and how he there's just nothing that
came out of his mouth in any shape,

599
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.760
form or fashion that would support a
heliocentric model. I mean, just

600
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:14.800
wouldn't you know. I've when Jesus
was tempted in Matthew four, when the

601
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:19.440
devil took him up on an exceeding
the Bible says, an exceedingly high mountain.

602
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.639
Not just a high mountain, but
an exceedingly high mountain and showed them

603
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.119
all the kings of the world.
And I'm like, well, how could

604
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:29.800
he do that if the earth was
a sphere? And some people say,

605
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.079
well, it's because Jesus is God, that's why he could do that,

606
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.920
And I'm like, well the devil
could see it too. Does that mean

607
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.239
the devil was God as well?
Because he's the one who was showing them.

608
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:45.559
So you just have to just point
people back to the Bible just to

609
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.239
explain to them, just to make
sure that they're using good logic when they're

610
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:54.559
interpreting the text of scripture, you
know. So that's another really good verse

611
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.679
to show that the earth is flat, just that temptation he showed him all

612
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.400
the kings news, you know,
unless he's looking through the sphere and can

613
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.880
see the other citis on the other
side, it has to be it has

614
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:15.639
to be flat, well said,
and again, right, even if you

615
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:19.000
choose to read another version of the
Bible, I would challenge folks to,

616
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.559
whenever they're reading, go back and
double check the KJV and make sure that

617
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:29.880
there hasn't been a serious manipulation of
text. Because what you described earlier talking

618
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:37.000
about from Heaven to Space, that
that is egregious, right, I mean

619
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:45.400
that changes the entire meaning of that
verse. And you know, I guess

620
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:51.280
I wanted to throw this at you, like and all the things on our

621
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:54.920
earth that can lead people away from
God. You know, alcohol, drugs,

622
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.039
now heliocentrism may not, you know, a globe may not directly lead

623
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:07.559
people away from God. But I
think there are a lot of parallel issues

624
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:13.800
that do derive from the globe and
that can pull people away from God.

625
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.480
Because again it goes back to you
know, what we read in history,

626
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.239
what we see in the Smithsonian Institute, all these things that they when I

627
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.360
say they, I'm talking about the
controllers, the people who bend their need

628
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:29.400
to Satan, right, people get
all worked up about it's the Jews,

629
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.920
it's the Jesuits. But like Bill
Cooper said, at the end of the

630
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:37.639
day, they are all Luciferians.
And that's how I like to categorize them,

631
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:43.239
is that they don't create anything,
but they take God's word and they

632
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.519
twisted around like maybe maybe they were
great beings back in the day that resemble

633
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:52.199
dinosaurs, but they didn't exist four
million years ago, right, right,

634
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:58.599
right? Absolutely, I agree.
Yes, that's obviously the scientists that I

635
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.079
can't remember the lady's name who found
red blood cell and tissue in a diner

636
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:07.039
t rex bone that came out in
the news. How's that t rex bone

637
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:12.400
gonna be four million? How are
you going to sustain blood cells and that

638
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.480
type of matter over four million years? It's just not gonna happen, right,

639
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:20.960
Yeah, that was like eight years
ago. They found the soft tissue

640
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.079
inside the bones. I think that
it was a German. It was like

641
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.119
Schweitzer. What was the name of
the individual, Yeah, yeah, that's

642
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.199
it. Yeah, Mary, it
was it Mary. Yeah that sounds right,

643
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
it. Mary Schweitzer found evidence of

644
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.719
blood cells preserved in t rex fossils. There you go, right, And

645
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.199
she had to come up obviously she
didn't want to get kicked out of the

646
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.000
university, so she had to come
up with a story, a cockamaning story,

647
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:51.519
or to explain away how that happened. And she came up with a

648
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.519
story. I don't know if you
heard this, that some type of way,

649
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.239
there was some h what do you
call the stuff what they used to

650
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:05.079
embalm you? I forget what it's
called from hyeah, Yeah, some type

651
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:09.239
of way. There's some of that
that got down in the dirt. Oh,

652
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:15.480
you can't make this stuff up.
Recent chemical analysis has provided further evidence

653
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:21.480
that the t Rex bones do indeed
contain blood cells, and Schweitzer had since

654
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:30.679
found soft tissue preserved inside an eighty
million year old hydrosaur. Eighty million years

655
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.239
old. Eighty million Now, I
can't even fathom that amount. Can you

656
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:42.519
fathom eighty million years? Yeah?
And it blood cells things that dry up

657
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.199
faster than everything else. If you're
blood drips out of your arm, it's

658
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:52.880
gonna be going in a nanosecond.
You know. We had unfortunately, you

659
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:54.920
know, in the military, we
had guys get hurt and we would have

660
00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.320
to take their uniforms and and uh, you know, burn them. It

661
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.119
drives quick, right, and even
vast amounts drive very quick. And uh,

662
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.400
you know, I don't not trying
to get off to this awful subject,

663
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.239
but just the fact that even if
it was a thousand years would be

664
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:17.800
ridiculous. And some people don't really
understand how how old. Eighty million that's

665
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.360
a huge number. And the goal
of thinking that somebody with our technology you

666
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.599
can just say, oh, yeah, this is from eighty million years ago.

667
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:30.519
Yeah, and that's the pixie dust
of scientism that had to come up

668
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:38.519
with these astronomical numbers and these astronomical
and very complex mathematical equations just to put

669
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:43.599
you in some type of trance so
you can just surrender and say, okay,

670
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.440
you're right right. And if you
do an experiment like that and you

671
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.079
try to justify something within the last
six thousand years, you're not going to

672
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.480
get any funding because you're you're supporting
the Bible and these people who are at

673
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.760
the top and have their nonprofits that
of money to these types of corporations.

674
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.559
If you want to make money,
you go ahead and find something out and

675
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.800
say it was from two hundred million
years ago, and you'll get your funding.

676
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.840
But if you pull something out that
supports the word of God, you're

677
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.599
not going to find your funding.
You might get a two hundred dollars check

678
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.639
from your local church, but you're
not going to get your tens of thousands,

679
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.679
if not hundreds of thousands of dollars
like the Smithsonian and all these other

680
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.519
places. Get right, and that's
why there's such a purge right now in

681
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:31.079
public universities and colleges of conservative and
Christians. I just read an article about

682
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:36.000
a professor in San Antonio who was
fired and I can forward you this article

683
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.880
later. He was fired because he
says male and female comes from X and

684
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:45.360
Y chromosome. He was fired for
that, literally fired for that, so

685
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.639
kind of like, you know,
how dare you be able to define what

686
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.280
a woman is exactly exactly? He
had some students protests and walk out and

687
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.599
now the guy is a pastor,
but he said that he never brings that

688
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:01.519
part out when he's teaching at the
university and he just teaches basic science,

689
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:07.360
and basic science does tell us X
X X Y, Right, that's how

690
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.239
we get the genders. But anyway, that's a purge going on, so

691
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:17.639
we need to wake up absolutely and
along the same line, just yesterday are

692
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.800
good friends at the CDC who always
looks out for us and they create these

693
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.119
great vaccines to save our lives.
That they came out yesterday and they're now

694
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.840
giving tips for trans people who want
to breastfeed. So if I'm a dude

695
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:37.960
and I want to pretend that I'm
a woman, the CDC that receives,

696
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:42.360
you know, one hundreds of millions
of dollars in federal funding has now come

697
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:47.800
out with, you know, tips
for male breastfeeding and it's called chest feeding,

698
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.639
and that that's where we're at in
twenty twenty three. That's why we

699
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.519
can't even trust these people with our
health anymore. No, not at all.

700
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.960
Well, we have to do our
all independent research, find a naturopathic

701
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:07.159
doctor or a homeopathic if you can
find one, and do your best to

702
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:12.199
eat right and to exercise the best
you can, and just be more responsible.

703
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.800
Because they've proven you you can't trust
them anymore. You can't trust the

704
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.679
system, I'll put it that way. I know there are some doctors out

705
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:24.519
there that are good, but overall
the system is has proven untrustworthy. Yeah,

706
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:30.559
especially when you talk about pharmaceutical industry
that you know, the drugs don't

707
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:36.039
fix your problem, right, they
they mask them, you know, people

708
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.840
you know when you take the pills, and then of course the vaccines.

709
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:45.719
That's just something I've done dozens of
podcasts on those things and the rise of

710
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:50.960
autism, and it's just it gets
me really worked up to see again,

711
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.440
growing up as a child, I
didn't know anybody who had autism. And

712
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.800
I think the numbers back in the
early eighties were one in six thousand or

713
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.920
something like that. Now it's one
in third five Hello, right, right,

714
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:07.559
Yeah, you're right. And Medicare
is the biggest payer in the American

715
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.320
system as far as healthcare. They
pretty much they rule the rules. They

716
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.320
set the rates. Even in these
private plans, they base their rate off

717
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.880
of something known as Medicare assignment.
And it's just like no different than you

718
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.599
going into an auto shop and they
have a list of prices for different services.

719
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.320
Well, there's a CPT code that's
that doctors and hospitals have to use

720
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.960
for every procedure that's built. The
code system is you know, built by

721
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.840
Medicare, and they are the biggest
pair in these insurance companies and these phar

722
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:39.480
paceutical companies have figured out that hey, there's no incentive for us to get

723
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:44.199
these people. Well, if we
want to keep building the system and continue

724
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.760
to indict our country and we're getting
deeper in debt, we have to keep

725
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:54.280
them sick. And it's a I
think it's a unholy trinity between the pharmaceutical

726
00:54:54.320 --> 00:55:02.119
industry, the medical industry, and
the food industry combine agreed and they all

727
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:08.400
fall under the Rockefeller Rockefeller umbrella.
And let me ask you this, Steve,

728
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:13.519
if if you, if you owned
Michelin and somebody came up to you

729
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:19.119
and said, Steve, we found
this new material. It never it never

730
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.000
wears out, so we can sell
these tires and they'll last forever. Would

731
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:27.519
you want to sell those tires or
would you uh uh, you know,

732
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.920
take them for a trip in the
Pacific Ocean? Oh man, now yeah,

733
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.280
yeah, I see your point point
taking for sure. Maybe I'd figure

734
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.679
out a way to sell them for
quite a bit funny physic it will be

735
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:43.000
a one and done, right.
And this is when when you talk about

736
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:47.000
free electricity and not free like but
you know what the energy that's out there,

737
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:52.960
um that uh you know, Tesla
found and kind of. And then

738
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:59.320
you have the people like Stanley Meyer
who created these engines for vehicles that run

739
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.840
on water, and he gets killed. You can't make money, you know,

740
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.079
And it's all about making money and
keeping the machine going. Because if

741
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.760
we had cars that ran on water, if we had free energy, we

742
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:15.679
wouldn't have to work very hard and
many of us could be sitting down having

743
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:20.679
these conversations and we would be looking
at these guys who are trying to make

744
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.320
people's lives miserable, and all lives
would be on them. But they keep

745
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:27.840
us busy working forty fifty sixty hours
a week because we have so many bills

746
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:32.880
to pay right exactly, and good
luck if you're trying to have kids.

747
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:39.559
Nowadays, they make it so financially
difficult to have a single income home,

748
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:44.440
you know. And I think that's
by design. They wanted to get the

749
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.360
women out of the home into the
workforce. If they can do that.

750
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.400
A lot of times, the woman's
allegiance is no longer to her husband and

751
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.719
her children anymore. It's to either
her boss or to her career. And

752
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:59.719
before you know, you have a
bunch of sixteen, seventeen, thirteen year

753
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:04.519
olds all running around on TikTok because
there's no overseas. So I think it's

754
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.559
all by design by the ultimately,
like you said earlier, by Satan to

755
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:14.400
sabotage society and to brain take as
many people with him, you know,

756
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.840
as he can. The Bible does
describe him as a thief, and he

757
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:22.760
comes to steal, to kill,
and to destroy. Yeah, and he

758
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.400
is very deceitful, and even some
of the most innocent things in our lives

759
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:32.360
can have nefarious meanings to them,
And I think it works both ways.

760
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.599
I think again, we talk about
technology being a double edged sword. I

761
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:39.840
get a lot of emails like,
uh, I forget the gentleman who emailed

762
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:45.159
me today talking about you know,
like Manly p. Hall. Should we

763
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:49.519
bring that type of information into our
homes of you know, this guy who

764
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.760
formally was a thirty third degree freemason, but kind of whether or not you

765
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:59.000
believe he came out and outed them
or that was just their way of saying,

766
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:00.760
hey, we told you, you
know how that whole thing works.

767
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:07.000
You know that some people have the
mantra, you know, like the art

768
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.159
of war, know that enemy um
and you know if you can slay the

769
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:15.599
enemy with their tools. What are
your thoughts on that? You mean,

770
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:21.679
like using the technology like you're doing
now with the podcast, technology, books

771
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.159
and things of that nature. Oh
one, as long as we have the

772
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:27.880
freedom to do it, we still
have the freedom to do it. I

773
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:32.159
think we will be irresponsible not to
right to take advantage of these things.

774
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:37.840
But at the same time, we
while we use these tools, George,

775
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:45.079
I think it's important that we set
proper parameters up for ourselves, understanding that

776
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:49.639
in a way we're playing with snakes. It could bite us at any moment.

777
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:53.360
I'm gonna give you an example.
If you are a strong Christian and

778
00:58:53.440 --> 00:59:00.480
you're using the Internet to put out
Christian materials to encourage other Christians like YouTube,

779
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.199
Well, just know you're going to
get a lot of suggestive stuff that

780
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.440
maybe try to pull you into pornography, right, I mean, that's just

781
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:14.480
the reality. So we have to
also set up proper parameters as we're using

782
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:19.639
these tools to keep ourselves also from
going astray, because it's kind of a

783
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.440
double edged sword when we use these
tools, because they could pull us in

784
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.239
the wrong direction at the same time. Does that make sense a little bit

785
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.000
what I'm trying to Yeah, it
makes makes perfect sense one percent. And

786
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.599
also the kind of things that you
know, um like Jamatria for example,

787
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.880
I recognize it. I understand how
it works, but I don't delve in

788
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:42.760
it too much, like because and
that too when I when I kind of

789
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.239
mentioned like no the enemy, a
lot of people think that's how they communicate,

790
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:49.199
that's how they leave these tools.
People like man I can't think of

791
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.000
his name right now, shame on
me. Like I had his book,

792
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.199
I read it makes a lot of
sense. It isn't old, you know,

793
00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:58.360
when it comes from the Cabala things
of that nature. But I think

794
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.400
you really to be careful when you
when you mingle in that kind of stuff,

795
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:05.559
for sure, Like it's to know
it and to know it exists and

796
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:07.800
understand it is one thing. But
I have seen many people get worked up

797
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:12.239
and get pretty wound up into it, and you want to kind of remember

798
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.119
the basics. Yes, absolutely so, Yes, we have to use this

799
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.159
technology. I think we will be
amiss if we didn't. But at the

800
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:21.679
same time, I guess, to
put it simply, we just have to

801
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:25.000
use it responsibly, right, And
I think what you said is perfectly know

802
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:30.679
your boundaries, right, It's it's
okay to understand and study I guess,

803
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:37.199
for lack of better term the enemy, because to know the enemy is gives

804
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:38.920
you an advantage and defeating the enemy. But at the same time, you

805
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:42.920
don't want to get sucked in,
like you said, and kind of fall

806
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.880
into things and get wrapped up into
it and the next thing you're you loose

807
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:51.800
focus. Right, It's easy to
lose focus in this day and age because

808
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:58.239
there's many distractions. Exactly exactly.
I couldn't agree with you more. What

809
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.559
else? What haven't we talked about
yet? Oh? Man, Um,

810
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:12.320
let me think here. Um.
I wanted to ask you do you think

811
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:20.400
there is a kind of a I
want to talk to you a little bit

812
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:24.639
more about NASA. That's something I
happen research very much and I kind of

813
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:30.199
wanted to get your thoughts on kind
of what's going on right now with NASA

814
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:35.280
and kind of the I'm gonna call
it propaganda that they're putting out there,

815
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:42.639
almost using Elon Musk and SpaceX as
kind of a front man, because I

816
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:46.360
don't believe any country is just going
to hand over the keys to their space

817
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:53.880
program to some civilian right unless they're
really pulling the levers behind the scenes.

818
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:58.800
What do you what can you share
with me on that? Well, we

819
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.960
know that NASA was you know,
founded by Jack Parsons and Alistair Crawley and

820
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:09.119
the likes of people whom you know, we're not in the spirit of God.

821
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:13.679
These were evil people, you know, Jack Parsons, the Suicide Squad,

822
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:19.960
and they really came NASA really came
to the forefront in nineteen I want

823
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.679
to say it was nineteen fifty eight, and that was about the same time

824
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:27.360
Operation Dominic and Operation fish Bowl was
going on, and I think that's when

825
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.039
they really well, let me let
me back up a little bit because I

826
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:35.280
do think in the thirties, at
some point prior to World War Two,

827
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:42.159
that they found This is just my
thoughts because I've kind of studied a lot

828
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.320
of this stuff and this is just
what I've kind of come to the conclusion

829
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:51.840
of. They did find the firmament. I've seen stories on what they call

830
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.079
I think the Blue Ice, which
is the ice I guess that have come

831
01:02:54.119 --> 01:03:00.239
from the firmament. But anyway,
you know, NASA came to be because

832
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:04.800
they realize that, you know,
if this got out, and it did,

833
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.679
it has gotten out before the nineteen
fifty eight Encyclopeda Britannica mentions the firmament

834
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.400
at you know x amount of feed
at I think fifty eight degrees parallel.

835
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.960
And I think, you know,
the powers that be said, if this

836
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:23.159
gets out, they're going to understand
or this will lend credence to a creator.

837
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:27.199
So I do think. You know, some people say that the word

838
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:31.960
Nasa in Hebrew um some form of
a means deceit. And of course the

839
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:40.679
biggest thing for me is there is
literally a snake's tongue on their on their

840
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:46.039
on their logo. I mean,
come on, it's it's it's very obvious.

841
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:50.920
And all you have to do is
really if you go to nassa's website

842
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.920
and you have to read, because
every single time there's a picture on the

843
01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:01.239
website, it'll say it's an artist
rendition or an anim they tell us,

844
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.800
but people don't take the time.
They just see, there's an article by

845
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:11.039
NASA and there's a picture by the
title, so that must be a picture.

846
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.280
They don't take the time to read
artist rendition or you know, animation,

847
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.960
they tell us, but people don't
actually take the time to read.

848
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:28.000
And you know, NASA has several
several jobs or purposes. I guess I

849
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:33.119
should say number one is, of
course, it's a distraction. Somebody made

850
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:38.639
a great point that the moon landing
in nineteen sixty nine was a huge distraction

851
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:45.679
from the Vietnam War. It distracts
people. It lends credence to Hollywood,

852
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.840
because if we have a flat earth
that's enclosed, well there goes Star Wars,

853
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:53.119
Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek and all
that stuff goes right out the window.

854
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:58.760
And they want people watching the TV
and being programmed and being told a

855
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:05.360
vision henceforth tell of vision. And
it's also that NASSA feeds the Military Industrial

856
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:13.320
Complex and many of its black ops
projects. You know, they can charge

857
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:19.039
ten thousand dollars for a special bolt
because there's only one company in the world

858
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:24.840
that can make that bolt, or
make that hinge, or make that space

859
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:30.840
door. So they have built this
specialty, you know, part of the

860
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:36.199
military Industrial Complex. It gets huge, just massive amounts of money every single

861
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:41.440
day and nobody questions it. And
they do most of their training underwater.

862
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:46.440
What they get and what they put
out is just incredible. And then of

863
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:51.800
course back in the eighties, they
rolled all the TVs into every single school

864
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:59.119
across the America and every child and
teacher witness the Challenger blow up and that

865
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:03.440
reinforce. Worst that was. That
was almost like a ritual for lack of

866
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:06.320
better words, right, Yeah,
that was almost on the same level as

867
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:10.880
nine to eleven I remember, And
was eighty five eighty six that happened.

868
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:15.519
I think that was January eighty six. Does that sound right? Yep?

869
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:20.559
I remember because I was suspended from
school, all of the homes I got

870
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:25.079
to watch it anyway, go ahead, yeah, And you know, all

871
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.480
these things are done for a reason. And when you say something to somebody

872
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.920
of that age, like you know, NASA as a hoax. Your brain

873
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:36.119
inadvertently, not purposely, but is
trained. Just like in the military when

874
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:40.559
you go to basic training, they
break it down and that they ability into

875
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:45.000
something else. And you know these
events like nine to eleven and you know

876
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.760
the Challenger explosion, Yeah, January
twenty eighth, nineteen seventy six. These

877
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:56.039
events are this fear based mind control
for lack of a better words, and

878
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.480
it reinforces that well, it had
to be real because I saw it on

879
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:06.840
television. M got you. So
let's fast forward to the twenty first century.

880
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.960
Can you kind of tie kind of
what are your thoughts on how did

881
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.480
he get up? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry that I completely

882
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:23.320
sidestep the entire thing about Elon Um. So I categorize Elon Musk into the

883
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.639
old mantra that if they need a
hero, we will provide them one.

884
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.840
Um. That there's a lot of
people on the quote unquote right, UM

885
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:34.119
that are unreachable, right, that
don't want to Then there's some on the

886
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.199
left too, but like with the
vaccine mandates, um, a lot of

887
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.719
people are like no thanks. So
every now and then they'll get this hero,

888
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:45.599
this guy, and they'll build him
up and right now, Elon is

889
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:48.199
that guy like um, I think
a lot of the Trump people are like

890
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:55.800
Elon people, and he's like the
latest hero. But at the same time,

891
01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:59.599
this is what blows my mind.
Uh, this guy wants to put

892
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:05.880
a chip up in your brain.
Right He's champion transhumanism and of course he's

893
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:10.400
just another character on the world stage. Werner von Braun wrote a book in

894
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:15.840
the fifties called Project Mars and the
main character in the book was a guy

895
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:19.840
named Elon and his rocket ship look
exactly like the very foot the very first

896
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:29.800
Space X rocket. So again this
is made for Hollywood stuff. He is

897
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:34.359
just another guy. I believe people
like him, people like Mark Zuckerberg,

898
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:38.920
the guy who was the head of
Twitter there for a while, Jack Something,

899
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:42.960
and even in my honest opinion,
in my heart of hearts, I

900
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:48.000
believe people at the very top of
Hollywood, which would include say Tom Cruise

901
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:55.560
and a couple of other people,
I believe they're all CIA assets that are

902
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:02.119
used to manipulate the minds of people. I did a podcast today on my

903
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:08.119
other podcast, The Fact Hunter,
and we were talking about life log how

904
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:11.319
on February fourth of two thousand and
three, two thousand and four. I

905
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.279
forget which year. This was a
government DARPA agency, and it was literally

906
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.560
life log. It logged your life. It was a digital diary, and

907
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:25.760
it was to record your emotions and
it built ai people. You know,

908
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.039
the word got out, people got
outraged. So on that same day they

909
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:32.560
closed DARPA February fourth, I think
it was two thousand and four, this

910
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:39.399
new company called Facebook was born.
Oh that the exact same day, the

911
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:44.600
exact same Yeah. And listen,
there's hundreds, if not thousands of social

912
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:49.359
media platforms out there, many that
nobody's even heard of. There's pilled,

913
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.760
there's TLB, there's a game.
I mean, just on and on and

914
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:55.479
on on on, even back in
two thousand and four. So you tell

915
01:09:55.520 --> 01:10:00.840
me how that on the same day
life Log was closed because the word got

916
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.960
out and Congress was outraged and the
people were outraged. But on the exact

917
01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:09.720
same day it got shut down,
Facebook was born. And how is it

918
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:15.600
that one entity became the biggest platform
on Earth. And by the way,

919
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.680
the co founder was arrested by the
FBI when he was sixteen for hacking into

920
01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:28.800
the pentagon. Oh wow, So
they created the monster. The monster got

921
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:32.039
out of control and instead of killing
it, they put lipstick on it and

922
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:36.479
rebranded it, gave it a new
name. And what people don't realize is

923
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:45.840
we are we're giving aware information to
the enemy and we and I'm talking about

924
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:50.800
all of us, including myself,
have contributed to the development of artificial intelligence.

925
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:55.880
You know why you see a picture
on Facebook if you like it,

926
01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:59.359
press hark. You know, you
look at these old mk ultra type of

927
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:01.720
things. How they had people they
show them a picture. What is your

928
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:05.760
That's what all this is. You
see something on Twitter, you react to

929
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:10.279
it? Do you click? You
retweet? And these things you set up

930
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:13.319
your account, you say, this
is me? And how you react to

931
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:17.560
all these pictures and phrases is how
they develop and understand who you are.

932
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:23.239
And I believe these are the people
how they this is how they recruit,

933
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:30.640
say the Timothy mcvase and these type
of people, because they understand how people

934
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:35.439
react to certain elements that yeah,
these this is something like Sirhan, sirhand,

935
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:41.359
this is somebody that we can manipulate
mentally to help us accomplish our goals.

936
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:47.079
Right, absolutely, yeah, And
my hope is that people will begin

937
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:53.119
to wake up to that. I
think you had a listeners, George,

938
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:57.439
maybe a couple of episodes ago who
mentioned something to you, or it may

939
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:02.000
have been an email. You may
have been reading about putting together some type

940
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:10.079
of flat earth finder. Oh yeah, like a get together, like a

941
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:13.119
map where people can go on the
map and find a blue dog. I

942
01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:15.600
know that David guy has that on
his But have you thought about putting something

943
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:20.000
like that together? You know I
have. I'd rather, to be honest

944
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:24.920
with you, I'd rather on my
website be able to excuse me to post

945
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:30.239
like events. I would rather like
listeners or people in certain areas kind of

946
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:34.760
get their own events and me to
post it. That is something like I

947
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:41.520
am not a super technologically advanced guy
like I can do websites and things like

948
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:44.560
that, but they've they've made it
so where it's not too difficult to create

949
01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:46.640
a website. To do something like
that, I'd probably have to pay somebody,

950
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.640
And then you really have to take
things like, you know, people's

951
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:54.920
safety, and are you going to
be responsible if somebody goes to find this

952
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:59.159
dot and there's some you know what
I'm talking about, right I do?

953
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.760
I do? So go ahead and
tell you about me. What about meetups?

954
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.600
Have you given that a little bit
more thought on how you would incorporate

955
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:11.399
that into your website. Yeah,
I can definitely, and I encourage people

956
01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:14.600
if if you are able to get
a meet up, if you say,

957
01:13:14.640 --> 01:13:18.079
Hey, this is John from Boston. I want to get together with flat

958
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:24.399
earthers at the Arthur Tracers on you
know, forty eighth and Johnson Street.

959
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:28.479
I don't even know if there's Arthur
Tracers left anywhere. I'm showing my age,

960
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:31.560
but you know, I would be
worth it happy I can. I

961
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:36.279
can post these events on the website
U and I could create a page within

962
01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:40.279
the website and have that going within
like ten minutes. That would be too

963
01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:45.079
easy and I would prefer that.
UM and I am looking again to do

964
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:50.359
something. Probably things slow down here
September October. I'm definitely going to do

965
01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:58.600
something. Probably I'm I'm leaning toward
Lancaster, Pennsylvania, because it's just a

966
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:01.680
very friendly place to do it.
There's huge restaurants up there. But at

967
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:06.239
some point I'd like to kind of, you know, rent a car and

968
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:09.800
you know, do five or six
stops around the country. And I have

969
01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:13.359
some friends in the military, one
in Washington, one in Texas that I

970
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:15.319
want to go back and visit.
So if I can incorporate those two things

971
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:19.119
together and you get to meet people, and you know, that would be

972
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:24.119
fantastic. And people can just either
go to your website and fill out a

973
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:27.600
form or they would just email you. Is that kind of your vision something

974
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.199
say Hey, we're going to meet
at a Starbucks on August fifteenth or whatever

975
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.239
at seven o'clock. Yep. You
know what, Once I get the first

976
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:38.520
email somebody's saying, hey, I
got an email or I have a meetup,

977
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:42.960
I will put that page on my
website immediately and they can just email

978
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.680
me and I'll post it with the
links. Like if that person has a

979
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:48.319
link, I can post link to
their information, or I can put a

980
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.880
point of contact, email address or
phone number, whatever that person wants.

981
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:57.000
So if someone has questions, they
can reach out to the individual who's in

982
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:00.159
charge of they get together. And
I think it's wonderful meeting people in person,

983
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:04.079
because you know, I get a
lot of emails. I get between

984
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:11.359
ten and twenty emails a day.
I suppose one of the more common themes

985
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.920
of the emails are people feel alone, and I think that resonates with a

986
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:21.600
lot of people because when you kind
of wake up you're I guess you're you

987
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:28.720
know, instead of paying attention to
like baseball and music and movies, you're

988
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.239
more into like the things we're doing
now, like rabbit holes and things of

989
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:34.479
that nature. And a lot of
people aren't really interested in it, and

990
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:38.520
there is a bit of a lonely
aspect to it. So if people can,

991
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:40.920
you know, it's one thing.
I think it's cool people are meeting

992
01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:45.199
on the website and email like you, you'll get emails when this goes live,

993
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:48.359
But it's another thing to meet people
in person. To be able to

994
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:54.199
fellowship in person, that is next
level. Now, are you going to

995
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:59.199
put together a YouTube channel eventually?
Fat the fact Counter? So I have

996
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:02.720
one you can that you could just
post the audio right on the YouTube channel,

997
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.640
right, yeah, yeah, I
have rumble for both the flat Earth

998
01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:13.039
Files and the fact Hunter. The
problem with YouTube is that every time I

999
01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:15.880
post something up there in a matter
of time, they usually give me a

1000
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:23.239
strike. Really oh yeah, they
have given me so many strikes. One

1001
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:28.359
time I did a video on the
Clintons and like six months later I get

1002
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:32.239
an email It's like you've gotten another
community strike for bullying. I'm like bullying

1003
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:39.000
the Clintons. If there's ever a
bully, it's them. I know exactly

1004
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:42.319
that the podcalling the kettle black.
Hey, you're not kidding. So I've

1005
01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:45.680
done more things on Rumble than I
have YouTube. I actually did post something

1006
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.479
on YouTube two or three weeks ago
and it hasn't got the strike yet.

1007
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:53.479
So maybe since you know, the
whole COVID things slowed down, maybe they've

1008
01:16:54.399 --> 01:17:00.439
let off on the strikes a little
bit. One more question that I always

1009
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:04.800
ask my wife whenever we're listening to
your podcast share in our car, who

1010
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:15.199
does that little voice? M Dale
marta studio that is actually Amazon Polly,

1011
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:19.600
So we have I've done a book
through Amazon before, and I have an

1012
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.880
account with them, and it's called
Amazon Polly, and I simply type in

1013
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:29.800
the words. There's like ten different
voices you can use. I used to

1014
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:33.119
use it a lot that when it
just sounded like the best. It didn't

1015
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:38.720
sound too computer generated. I have
used some folks in England who actually use

1016
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:43.680
the voice, but they charge a
little bit of money. I've been trying

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01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:46.079
to, you know, keep it
as lean as possible. It sounds more

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01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:51.960
profocial when there's an actual person doing
it. But it's like jeez, thought

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01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:56.840
it was a child. It kind
of sounds like like a teenager, right,

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it does. That's probably his daughter
doing it. Yeah, I should

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01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:05.079
actually have her do it. Oh, it's a kind of a cute voice.

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01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:11.359
I actually like listening to it.
Yeah that's Amazon Polly. Yeah.

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Yeah, Well I think those are
all my questions. Um, this has

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01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:18.479
been a great talk. This is
our mom and my wife. Like I

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01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:24.560
said, we're heading into our twenty
fifth wedding anniversary, congratulations. And I'm

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01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:27.880
taking her somewhere this this weekend.
So it's about five thirty here, so

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i'nna have to unfortunately cut our conversation
a little short here. That's okay with

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01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:34.079
that, That is quite all right. We went for an hour and twenty

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01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:36.720
minutes and you absolutely crushed it.
And let me go ahead and give you

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01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:42.560
the final words, sir. Okay. Um, Well, for me,

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I just want to just thank you
for the opportunity, of course, but

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I just want to encourage everyone,
under the sound of my voice just to

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just return to the Bible. If
you want to know what the Earth is

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01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:58.920
like, if you want it to
know whether there's a universe, or whether

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01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:02.000
there's a firm man, or whether
we actually landed on the moon and all

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01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.800
that stuff. A lot of that
information can be found directly in the Bible.

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It's to keep the life at the
instructions for life, and you can't

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01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:15.840
go wrong by turning to it.
And that's about it. It's been an

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01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:18.880
absolute pleasure meeting you, and I
wish you and your wife again happy anniversary

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01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:23.000
and all the best to you and
your family and your future endeavors. And

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01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:26.880
again, I hope everybody takes the
time. If this message resonated with you

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01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:30.000
as a listener, please reach out
to Steve his email addresses in the show

1043
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:33.000
description, and please do check out
his YouTube channel. Make sure you subscribe

1044
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.319
and hit that little bell button so
when he does post something, you'll be

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01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:42.720
notified. Again, thank you so
much, Steve, for myself and everyone

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here, God bless each and every
one of you. Have a great week,

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01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:47.760
keep your head on a swivel,
and until next time, my friends,

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we will see