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the first ten episodes or so. We kind of discuss our theory, or
at least my theory on flat Earth that may not be exactly what you think
it is, and you'll be surprised when you're challenged, you know, versus
what you've been taught your entire life. How much sense you know, lack
of a better words, the flat Earth, how much it makes sense versus
the heliocentric model. So there you go, Thank you all for listening,
and without any further ado, it's time to bring our guest for this evening
on joining us tonight is Steve, and Steve, I want to thank you
so much for reaching out and joining us this evening, sir, how are
you doing great? George? And I can't tell you know how appreciative I
am for the opportunity to be here. Well, I'm humbled that you joined
us and we talked for a little while before the program. And by the
way, when this is over and you'd like to reach out to Steve,
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Steve. First of all, how did you come upon How did you
find the podcast? Actually? I just did a search. I listened to
quite a few podcasts on finances and religion and different things like that. So
when I finally came to the light on the falsity of the heliocentric model,
I began to just look for resources and material on flat Earth, and I
searched Google podcasts and yours came up. Isn't that funny? We were talking
before the podcast that kind of the double edged sword of the word flat earth,
how it can be so divisive, not just in the truth community,
but you know, at the water you know, the water break or the
coffee break area at your work. But at the same time, that is
how so many people have found the podcast through the Flat Earth. Could you
let's not get ahead of ourselves. Please take your time and introduce yourself to
the audience. Oh, okay, be glad to well. My name is
Stephen Giles. I reside in the Phoenix, Arizona area. I am a
husband and father of four. I've been married for going on twenty five years
now, which is pretty amazing thanks to my wife. Right absolutely have four
kids arranging from ages of twenty two all the way down to fifteen. I
am a Christian. I'd like to kind of mention that have been for I
would say over twenty years now. And career wise, i am a insurance
broker by profession. I've been doing that for many years. And yeah,
just a little bit about me, mean anything you want to ask me.
I'm kind of an open book. Yeah, for sure. Let's talk a
little bit about your journey to the truth. Let me ask you first.
In you know, we talk about those rabbit holes, whether it be nine
eleven or JFK or the moon landing. Have you were you of the conspiratorial
mind prior to coming upon flat Earth, I was. And the thing that
really triggered it, and I'm so thankful to God that it happened. And
this is probably gonna make you laugh, but it was the freaking Chinese by
balloon. Do you remember that? Absolutely? Yeah. So everybody's running around
saying, oh, Chinese biballoo, Chinese bibaloo, And I'm like, don't
you guys see that freaking satellite hanging from the balloon? Why no one talking
about that? And if and if satellites are in outer space, why do
we have to put them on balloon? So that's what really made me begin
to It really opened up my mind to be willing to listen to the flat
earth argument. Does that make sense? Yeah? Absolutely? You know we
talk about many of there, what's the word I'm looking for? You know
that their deceits backfire on them. I believe, and I've proved from many
of our guests that we've already had on that those folks kind of overplayed the
COVID card and people like, wait a second, everything that you said for
the last two years is and add it up. And that kind of pushed
a lot of people into the truth community, and then right they tell you
that these satellites are, however, many miles in space and just kind of
floating around. The next thing, you know, there's a satellite on a
balloon kind of floating around Montana, and nobody questions that. Everybody's just like,
oh those Chinese there, what we We're not going to shoot it down
until it gets into the ocean, But nobody's stopping to say, why is
a satellite on a balloon? Right exactly? And we've been gaslighted to the
point where no one It's crazy that no one was mentioning that anywhere. Even
on some of the more conspiratorial podcast guys who don't believe in flat Earth,
but they're more against they believe in a lot of conspiracies or what's beemed ask
conspiracies, they were mentioning nothing about the satellite. I'm like, it's right
there in your face. People, just open your eyes, right, that's
right. So you know, once that kind of happened, how did you
research flat Earth and what tools did you utilize to kind of uh, you
know, I'm sure I don't know if it was a long road a short
road, because for me, it was a lot of denial and then finally
acceptance. But even once I accepted flat Earth, it was a lot of
internal turmoil and then it turned to you know, kind of like a release,
like I'm free and I you know, I don't you know this this
world belongs to God, not to man. That's kind of the whole thing
that I went through. How was it for you? Yeah, all my
life, George, I've been kind of an information nut. As a small
child with my brothers would be outside playing around in the late seventies, in
the eighties, I would be in the house reading Encyclopedia Britannica. Do you
remember, though, ably we didn't have the Internet back then. We had
uh you know, and in the early eighties, as I was going into
high school, we had encyclopedias from like the mid to late sixties. I
don't remember exactly when, but the encyclopedias were fifteen or twenty years old.
But yeah, I'd sit around and read them, yep. And people would
go door to door selling those things. So my mom bought a set,
a wonderful set, and I would just sit there and read and read them.
And I and I just you're just gathering all types of information about pretty
much everything. You're kind of a Swiss army knife when when it the knowledge
when you read those things. So I've always been like that. So once
I began to think about that Chinese spy balloom, if that's really what it
was, um, I just began to just google and search for different things.
So I'm a subscriber to Kindle. I'm also a subscriber to Audible by
Amazon, so I'm begin to listen to different audio books, read different books
by different authors. What's the guy the app something? You know, the
David guy who had Yeah, David Weiss. I have that app on my
phone and just using that YouTube channel. And then there's some other YouTube channels
that are really good. I have to kind of pull them up just so
I can have so much information in my head. But there's another one about
a guy who passed away a few years ago from like COVID, but he
was really good. You will probably know who he is. Yeah, I'm
looking here. Celebrate Truth is one of them. Have you ever heard of
that YouTube channel? Yes? Absolutely, I sure have. They do a
lot of twenty four seven streams on YouTube. Correct. That's one, and
then there's another one, Rob Seba Rob Skiba. He's the gentleman who died
I think last year. Correct, that's the one I'm talking about. Yeah,
he was great. Yeah. So basically I just began to gobble up
all the types of information that I can find. And there's a really good
book I'd like to recommend to everyone, and it's by a guy named Nathan
Roberts, and it's called The Doctrine of the Shape of the Earth. And
I think it's like a number one seller on some lists really, but yeah,
it's called The Doctrine of the Shape of the Earth. A Comprehensive Biblical
Perspective by Nathan Roberts, and it is a books a million I'm looking along
Amazon. It runs you about nineteen ninety nine in paperback, or if you
have Kendall Unlimited it is free. There's three hundred and twenty three ratings and
it's four point six, so very highly rated book for sure, Right,
and you know the point four is probably from guys who worship Copernicus. Correct,
And uh yeah, it's the same people who give me the one stars
on my podcast or views, people who don't even listen to flatterth people.
Right, if you have a kiss podcast, they're going to complain that you're
not talking about led Zeppelin those type of people, right right. And Air
Dubai, obviously, everyone in the flatterth movement knows their Dubai. He has
some really good materials. At least his stuff gets you to thinking and it
really encourages you just to use common sense on some of this stuff. So
I've listened to some of his and read some of his material as well.
That's awesome. Well, I just bought his book and it will be here
Sunday, so I look forward to reading that. Oh yeah, it's really
good. I'm gonna make sure you get your commission check. I wish I
need it. I'll take I'll take ten percent. I'll take a tithe off
of that. There you go. That's awesome. Yeah, that's we need
more of those books and we need to bring light to it. And as
we were talking before, like yourself, so many people who have come on
this program are who are either starting or have YouTube channels or podcasts, and
they are spreading on the word. And the more people we get out there
speaking the word, you know, the better chance we have of gaining someone's
attention. And I do see I hate using the term Great Awakening because that
was kind of hijacked by the que people. But there is a bit of
an awakening both on flat earth biblical earth. And I don't know if I
want to use a Jesus revolution or I do see people coming back to God,
because going back to Covid and just people, they're not even hiding this
evil anymore. Right, It used to be they used to hide it,
like the old Disney movies they would use kind of you know, there's YouTube
videos on how the Walt Disney and Disney used to incorporate some nasty things within
their innocent cartoons. Well that they weren't even hide it anymore. It's completely
in our face, right, right, And that's what pride and arrogance,
when it runs its course, that's what that's the result of that, that's
the fruit of that. But there's just no more shame, there's no more
fear of any kind of retribution in and not to sidetrack biblically, if you
look at the Old Testament in the Nation of Israel and the many of the
times that God punished them, it's when they got to the climax of their
moment of pride and decadence. Right, yes, and they had no more
shame, and they had this attitude of God does not see, right,
but he does look that He sits on high on the firmament, of course,
and he looks down low, so he sees what's going on. Yeah,
exactly. And the Bible is very clear and God is very clear about
being prideful. And it's you know, that's a double slap with the whole
pride thing. Number one, using the term pride and throw it in our
faces knowing it's evil, and then stealing the covenant that God, you know,
the symbol of the covenant that God used after the flood to kind of
say, hey, this will never happen again, the covenant between God and
man, and that was hijacked and people, even you know many I don't.
I hate to use this term, but is it okay to say fair
weather Christians who jump on with that and kind of you know who support that.
And once again, God loves everyone. You know, it's one of
those complicated subjects. Well, it's not really complicated because God doesn't really coexist
with evil, but he does say love everyone and um, but you know,
he does not beat around the bush with pride and certainly doesn't beat around
the bush with you know, God's symbols shouldn't be hijacked and used for um,
you know those type of things, right, And there's a there's a
reason for that. And you know, I'm just going to kind of mention
that the reason people get that way is because God is so loving, kind
and patient with us. Right. He gives us time to turn away because
he gets no pleasure in bringing retribution and destruction. Right, he gets no
pleasure out of showing that side of him. Just like a good father wants
to love and nurture and encourage and support their children. But there's also a
part of every father that has discipline. But any good father will tell you
they don't enjoy discipline their children, right, They would rather just shower blessings
on those children. So and second Peter to chapter three, it says,
but loved, do not forget this one thing that with the Lord, one
day is that of a thousand years, and a thousand years is one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise as some count slackness, but
as long suffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that
all should come to repentance. So I think that's what a lot of people
forget, is that in their pride they thank God has forgotten. But he's
just very very patient, unlike us humans. That was perfectly said. And
you know I've said this before. Me and my lifelong friend have had these
type of conversations talking about you know, Sodom and Gomorrah compared to how things
were today. Obviously will never know because we weren't there, but I would
I would say that it at least arrivals, you know, and that is
at a minimum, what is going on there versus what's going on today.
And we've seen it happen before. You know, it was during the Weimar
Republican that got crushed. But that's another subject for another day. God is
very patient because you know, I have this and I'm sure a lot of
people and I'm talking about people who live in the United States have like this
torment. I don't torment, is it like a probably an over exaggeration,
but like, we want to be patriotic and love our country, but the
government, the people who run this country do not reflect my beliefs whatsoever.
The warmongers their liars, you know, the Bible's very clear about usury and
the banks run this country, and we could go on and on and on
about how they you know, right, you know, continue to and all
of this is a spiritual war. And that's why this podcast is so important,
and I hope people realize all of this stuff is all encompassing, you
know, all of these topics we talk about everything. This is a spiritual
war. You know. Satan know where how the story ends. He knows,
and I believe he's just trying to drag as many souls as he can
to Hell with him. And that's why the decadence. And they want you
to be comfortable and happy. And what was it that Alistair Crawley said,
do what thou wilt right, Just do your thing and joint, eat,
drink and be merry, for there is no tomorrow. And um, don't
mistake God's kindness for um, what's the word I'm looking for here? Don't
mistake? Go ahead, go ahead, No, no, you go ahead,
George. I was just gonna say, don't mistake God's kindness for you.
Don't guarantee for eternal life because he's forgiving. But if you go out
without you know, crossing your teas and dotting those eyes and inviting Jesus Christ
into your heart as your personal Lord and savior. No matter how good you
think you are, if you don't do those, and it's not much.
God doesn't ask much of us. But if we don't do that, and
if you lived for worldly things and we're not guaranteed tomorrow, we're not guaranteed
tonight. So you know, we talk about prepping. The last little preaching
I did, we talked about right like because people say, oh, that
George, he's a prepper, right, he raises chickens, and but you
know you should look at eternity the same way. Are you prepped right?
Because we don't know when the next emergency is going to be here? Do
you do? You have your food and your water? Well, you don't
know when God's going to call your number? Are so prepared right? Right?
And that's why I think this is this Uh, I'm gonna use the
term flat earth even though rather not to but black brother, lack of a
better term, that's why this is so important that we approach it as far
as I'm concerned anyway from a biblical standpoint, calling people back to the Bible,
because that's where I think we can find true answers to the problems throughout
life. If you read Matthew chapter four, the moment when Jesus was tempted,
and I'm sure you're familiar that with that story, when he was tempted
by the devil. Each time, each time when he responded to the devil,
he says, it is written, it is written, it is written,
and the last it is written, finally ran the devil off. And
what that tells me is that Jesus as our role model, as our big
brother that God sent to us. He gave us the blueprint on how to
defeat the devil. And it's through not just no the word of God,
but assimilating it and living by the world of God. And if we use
this strictly the scriptures to determine our view of the earth in the universe,
I think that could be a great foundation to build upon and it will move
as away from all the secularism that we see in our country. Yeah,
you're spot on for pulling that out, because he does answer every time.
It is written. Man shall not live on bread alone. It is written
that he will command his angels concerning you, and I mentioned I think a
couple episodes ago that you know, when I do my preparing for the Fact
Hunter, I'm on all these different websites and books and things like that.
And it's funny, I said, you know, we don't go enough to
the book for our answers, right, And now, I understand you're not
going to find the answers to nine to eleven and the Jeff k assassination in
the Bible. But I think more in a broader spectrum, we and this
goes back to Psalm's one eighteen eight, right, that kind of says,
don't trust in man, you should put your trust in God. And when
we have problems, we go to doctor Fauci, we go to Donald Trump,
we go to this person, but how often do we actually go to
God? Don't forget doctor Phil's Doctor Phil. Yeah, Oh my goodness,
oh yeah. And I think it's it's just so, I mean, we
really need to be people of the book. And that's my passion is to
really bring awareness within the Christian community that we have answers in regards to our
earth, in our universe, if you want to use the word universe.
We have answers in regards to how we should look at it, what should
be our worldview, what should be our our paradigm in and the fact of
the matter is, George, is that the Bible never says that the Earth
is a sphere. It never says that it rotates at one thousand miles power,
It never said that its orbits is one at sixty six thousand miles per
hour, and it never ever mentions planet except the Earth. And the list
goes on and on and on. Now, some of the more modern contemporary
visions may have some words sprinkling there, but if you go back to closer
to the earlier Bibles, like the King James or the NASP or the New
King James, you're not going to find that language in there at all.
We were studying the other night, me and my kids, and we were
reading the Good News translation. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of that,
but it was basically making it look like the Earth was a sphere.
And then I basically had the kids reading and the King James, and it
totally eliminated that option. So we just need to be just people of the
book and just base everything off of the Bible as far as how we live
our lives. And that's what our role model j Jesus is our role model.
God send them here for a reason to die for us, to save
us, but also to show up. What does it look like when a
human being lives in perfect harmony with God the Father? Right? So we
can follow him all in victory? In this battle? It gets evil if
we, you know, be people of the book? Well said, and
I get that question a lot, both on emails and in person. There
is hey, what version do you use? And growing up, you know,
I think I was probably more of an n IV guy. But as
I got older, and especially my time in the military when things had to
be translated, I understood that when something is translated, it doesn't always bring
the exact meaning. My wife, her family is Hungarian, right, we
got married and Hungary, and I understood that when you're translating something, some
things get lost in translation. And I thought to myself, well, that
would probably go for the Bible as well as sometimes intentionally sometimes not intentionally,
Because anytimes something is translated, would you not agree that it's everybody? Can
Like if I handed a book to thirty different people, would every single person
would it mean the exact same thing to them? Or do you think some
people would receive it differently than others. Oh, you're one hundred percent correct,
because we have to remember translators or our robots, they're human being,
so they have their own biases, their own influences, their own pressures.
They don't typically translate in a vacuum. They have to be supported financially.
As a matter of fact, when the King James Bible itself was created in
sixteen eleven, King James had specific wordy that he even wanted in the King
James Bible on certain topics, like, for instance, in the Greek the
word church, the word that's translated church in English, comes from a Greek
word that means ecclesia. The true meaning of ecclesia actually means gathering or assembly,
which is how it probably should have been translated. But because King James
wanted to shure up the authority of the church, particularly the Catholic Church,
right, he had them translate and use the word church there versus gathering or
assembly, So that word wasn't only used to relate to Christians, it was
also used to relate to all types of gathering, even even gatherings of pagans.
So I'll just say all that just to say translators, they're just humans
just like us. And sometimes they will put the stuff in there that will,
in their opinion, bring about the best understanding of that original Greek text.
Yeah, and then you have the And again I'm not telling anybody who
to listen to who not to listen to. This is just from my perspective,
but I'm going to say it because this is how I feel. You
have people like the Kenneth Copeland's, the Todd Whites, the ce Peter Wagner's,
the low Angles, these guys who take things and a run even further
with it. The people who fall under the new uh, what's it called,
the new Apostolictic Reformation, which tries to establish this fifth branch. And
it's you know, I don't know, it's you're exactly right, you know.
A good example is Mark chapter thirteen. I don't know if you want
to turn there, Mark chapter thirteen, verse twenty five. I'm gonna read
that really quick from just pointing up here on my tablet. And Jesus is
predicting when he will return, and he says, but in those days after
that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its
light, the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers of the heavens
will be shaken. Then they will see the side of Man coming in the
clouds with great power and glory. And then he will send his angels and
gather together his elect from the four winds, from the furthest part of the
Earth, the furthest part of Heaven. Now, though, I want to
call your attention to where it says, and the moon will not give its
light, the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers of Heaven will
be shaken. Now, if you take that verse, I'm just highlighting in
here on my app and you look at that verse in the Good News translation,
it said and in the days after that time of trouble, the stong
will grow dark, the moon will no longer shine, the stars will fall
from heaven and the powers and it says the powers in faith. Seriously,
Yeah, what version is that? The good News trans good News? And
for those at home again, it was Mark thirteen, verse twenty four too,
I think twenty seven. I think I have that in Yeah, it's
right here. There's like three different good News Anglicized, Catholic and Anglicized ninety
four. Let's just try good news translation US version. Yeah, that that
should work. All right, let's see what it says. And of course
it takes me all the way back. Okay, here we go the trouble.
The sun will grow dark, the moon will no longer shine, the
stars will fall from heaven, and the powers in space. So instead of
heaven, the translator decided the translators and usually translations are done on a team.
It's not just one guy, right, decided to put the words space.
What does that do? Well? That just reinforces the heliocentric model,
that's all it does. So you have even influenced in some of our Bible
translations, if that makes sense. Yeah, and n I say, I'm
gonna have to send this to a Mike. Our guests from a couple of
weeks ago, we had this conversation that is that's big. That is again,
listen, you don't have to accept the flat earth to get to heaven.
However, heliocentrism and evolution and you know, the Big Bang theory,
these things in a sense hide God right exactly. So then you have Christians
who believe that God used evolution to create the world, and he used the
Big Bang, and and you have and sincere Christians who I think are deceived
will say, well, it's hard for me to believe in a God if
we're just a cinner. It's easier for them to believe if they have this
infinite, ever expanding galaxy where there is no up and there is no doubt,
and there is no left and right, because to them, in their
mind, they've really created a God in their own image, if that makes
sense, because that's the type of God that they feel like they can worship.
In the Decalogue or the Ten Commandments says you shall not make any gods
in your own image, versus the God of the Bible, who clearly demonstrates
to us in scripture after scripture that the earth has a foundation, that it
doesn't move, that it has four corners, it has a cornerstone. It
has then the firmament is a heartened substance. The firmative is above the earth.
God's throne is sitting on the firmament. The only planet that's mentioned is
Earth. I mean, it's in the Bible over and over and o for
scripture after scripture. But it's like our eyes have been glazed and we can't
really see past the door and doorwarinism that's been kind of pushed at us every
since we enrolled in elementary public school. Do you think that many of the
preachers are afraid to even look at this because, to be honest, where
at a time where church attendance is already at an all time low, do
you think this is one of those subjects that they consider taboo and they're afraid,
Well, I don't want to touch this. I don't want to chase
you know, what congregation I have left. I don't want to go chasing
them off. I honestly believe, George, that they are not even aware
of what they're doing, because I wasn't aware. I just think that they
think that it's par for the course, it's just what you've always been taught.
And I just think that it just takes obviously a move of God's spirit
along with people like yourself who continues to put out good material and good content,
and these preachers out there, they will eventually run across it, and
God will quicken their hearts and open their eyes and remove the scales from their
eyes that they that they will see. But I, honestly, in my
heart of hearts, don't think that I don't think that they're even aware that
there is another option. Yeah, I think for the most part, you're
right. Let me put it to you this way. What percentage of preachers
if they did come across this information. What percentage of preachers And of course
this is just conjecture here, but in your estimation, what percentage of preachers
would have the courage to address it with this congregate his or her congregation?
Oh, less than ten percent? I agree, probably less than five.
And but that doesn't just stop with flat earth. That comes with other subjects
as well. Right, Yeah, No, you're you're one hundred year a
thousand percent right on that. Yeah, they don't want to upset the apple
cart that or kill the goose that's laying the golden egg. That's right,
that's right. And by the way, when I said his or her church,
I completely understand what the Bible says about males leading the church. Um,
right, that's what the Bible says. Absolute. You sound like the
kind of person who has no problem talking to complete strangers about the Bible.
Not at all. I feel more comfortable talking about the Bible than I do
about the latest football or baseball game. So let me ask you this.
How have you been? Well, first, how long have you been?
You know, I'm a flat earth. Let me think it started? When
did we had a Chinese biba loon thing? Let me say Chinese by what
was it last fall? Right? Yeah, so that's when the first domino
fail, I'll put it that way. No, it's February with this year.
You know, when you get older, you can't I can't keep track
of time anymore. I don't know if something happened yesterday or ten years ago.
So this was February of twenty twenty three, so well five months.
Yeah, But I've been like NonStop, just digesting all the material that I
can on this subject. And every night, me and my family we have
well not every night, most nights we have a Bible study and I bring
it up to my kids and they give me a hard time and they argue
with me, but they all do it in fun, right. And I
actually went in for Father's Day. Let me tell you what I got for
Father's Day. I never would have bought this in a thousand years. George
actually went out. I didn't go out. My kids and my wife got
together and they got me a night come p one, no kid camera yes,
specific camera, tripod and everything. And I've been going out looking at
Venus for the past few nights and it's definitely that planet is definitely a star.
They call it a planet, but it's a story. It doesn't look
anything like NASA shows you doesn't. No, it doesn't. Let me ask
you this can I can? I ask you one question real quick before I
forget. Does it look like it's shimmering with a water reflection count? Do
you understand what I'm saying? Absolutely? And what's so beautiful about it?
It looks like a human cell. It has a center, It has a
perfect octagon outline, I mean perfect outline on it, and you can see
it flowing in the middle. It's amazing how it looks. But it looks
like a human cell off almost because it has a nucleus right in the middle.
It's like it's perfectly designed and the outside is a perfect octagon if you
can get close enough, a perfect octagon shake. It's not like a random
as far as the borders of the right. That's awesome. Have you been
able to able to capture that video and put it on your YouTube channel yet?
I have not downloaded. I have it on my little memory card.
I need to download it in and upload. That would probably be a good
idea for me to do that. Yeah, that would be trying to figure
that camera out. That camera is pretty complicated. Yeah, it's it's super
high tech. That's awesome. Your your wife and children did that for you.
That's awesome. And you're you're kind of in an area. Um,
how far is the salt flats from your area? Like five hours? Four
hours? Yeah, something like that. That would be awesome because there are
some areas out there where you should be able to see far past the curve.
We have one or two listeners out there that have emailed me that they
said they've gone to those areas and they can see without a doubt. Um,
well, well beyond the curve absolutely. Um, you just have to
open your eyes and look. And you know what I was getting to when
I asked you, I said, uh, Steve, you don't sound like
someone who's afraid to talk about God. So what I wanted to ask you
was, how have you been able or have you even really tried to communicate
with flat Earth with? And obviously your family you've discussed it with them.
They got either P one thousand, but friends, family, have you had
any luck having that conversation. Not yet. I've been sitting like videos and
different things like that, just trying to break the ice a little bit and
just trying to see how they're going to respond. But no, not yet.
That's my next that's my next big challenge that I want to get I
want to get to. I think you're doing it right. You kind of
you leave the introductions, leave some breadcrumbs. You hope that maybe they pop
open a four or five minute video just to kind of, you know,
do a brief introduction. And I mean obviously with family and members, for
the most part, they're not even gonna they'll just laugh if they won't even
give you the time of day. Because again, they have to be ready
to listen and be open minded to it, right, because sometimes when you
force something on it, you can actually chase them away more than anything else.
Right. Right, there's a really good video. I don't know.
It's a documentary documentary that was created in twenty twenty and you've probably seen it,
but it's called World Upside Down. Have you seen that one? Yes?
Yep, yep, Yeah, that's the one I've been sending out.
It's been really good. And when I showed it to my children that I
think that really kind of helped them turn the corner a little bit to listening
to me. You know, our kids are they don't listening to you.
They have to hear from someone else. But when I showed them that documentary,
that helped them turn the corner a little bit. So I think they're
going to get there. Yeah. And I think introducing it because that's you
know, the children of today, their YouTube they're the TikTok or So if
you're able to incorporate those messages on those platforms, I think it's really beneficial
for getting the message across. Right. And there's another good video you may
want to watch. It's by a YouTube channel called Bible Project. But they
have a video called what the Bible Authors Meant by the World Earth, and
they talk about the firmament. They talk about the waters above the heavens and
they're they're still water up there. And that's kind of risky for these guys
because they're I mean, they have a lot of loop. They're not they're
not flat earthers though at all. So the Bible Project, it looks like
they got almost three point seven million subscribers. Yes, you look up their
video called what the Bible Authors Meant by the Word Earth. They do an
excellent job explaining the firmament, and it sounds like they're flat earthers without admitting
their flatters. Well, there's one I see. It says what the Bible
Authors meant by the word Earth? Is that the one you said? That's
the one I found it? Okay, let me click on it and if
I okay, I stopped it. I will make sure I put that in
the show description for the listeners. It's about twenty three minutes long and it's
got forty three thousand views. That but there, that's interesting. They talk
about the firmament and what the word men about Earth, but they haven't really
broached the topic yet. Huh, nope, nope. But if you listen
to them, they're pretty much describing flatter. Yeah, I'm based on based
on the text of scripture. That's what they're doing, which is really good.
It's interesting. I'm going through all the topics I've yet I'm sorry the
comments, and I've yet to see the word I haven't seen a flat earther
in there yet. No, there's one. Good to hear you delving into
this, I'm convinced NASA, Hollywood, and textbooks all been lies good.
So there are some flat earthers within the comments too. And you know,
these guys are just straight Bible, which is great. We need that.
Yeah, absolutely. And by the way, the book of Job has some
references into the firmament as well. I think Job twenty two, yes it
does, and that's a really good one. Joe thirty seven also is a
good one. I think it's thirty seven eighteen. Can you pull that one
up and let me know you said Job thirty seven eighteen. I think it's
thirty seven eighteen. What is that one? Job thirty seven eighteen says hast
thou with him spread out the sky which is strong and as a mountain looking
glass. Yep. And then another one would be Joe's twenty six seven.
Let's see here, twenty six seven, and it says he stretches out the
north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. M Earth
doesn't move, Nope, it does not move. He stretches out the north
over the empty place. Do you think he's talking about the North pole there?
I'm not sure that's kind of what I was leaning toward a little bit.
But the biggest thing I got on that is that the earth is not
He hung it in place. When you hang something in place, are you
in ten for it to move? Of course not exactly. So the earth
is not rotating and it's not orbiting. It's just there. He hung it
where it was supposed to be. When I hang my clothes in my closet,
I don't expect him to move back and forth on the rack while I'm
gone. So that's kind of what I get from that birth that he hung
it on nothing. He hung it in plays and that's where it's supposed to
stay. And you know, one of our listeners, boy, I wish
I could find that email real quick. He's from Pennsylvania and he had mentioned
that where is it? My goodness. Anyway, he was saying about how
he got his car washed, and you know how when you're driving at when
he come out of the car washing, there's just that Oh, here it
is. He says. I was spraying the windshield fluid on my windshield and
after the wipers had finished, that fluid that didn't get pushed to the side
was running straight down the window. Then I made a slight turn at less
than ten miles per hour, and the fluid changed direction as the hearn what's
happening. I stopped, and the fluid went to straight to running straight again.
So the earth rotates at a thousand miles per hour and water lays still
come on. Man. And that was from Justin and I think he's in
Pennsylvania. Pardon me if I'm wrong, but thanks. He just sent that
today. I thought that was a good time to drop that in there.
Oh no, that's perfect, That's absolutely perfect, and um, that goes,
go ahead, buddy. I wanted to I wanted to recommend another resource
that's been very bit beneficial to me. I don't know if any of your
listeners use as audible, but there's an audio book called Flat Earth and inspired
guy named Caspian Thor Jensen. I think it's how you pronounced his name as
c S p I A N. Last name is s A R g I
N s o N. It's a brilliant, brilliant audio book. Got break
Oh you found it, yes, sir, that I'll be in the show
to description as well. It was. He actually just updated it this year.
Flat Earth with the Bible actually says every verse in the Bible on creation,
and by the way, he in big bold letters, it says there's
a special message to pastors. Yes, so you would, I think you'll
enjoy that one. Yeah, let's read what it says. It says,
did you know the Bible says the earth hangs in space exactly where God placed
it, and that the earth has a foundation and the earth never moves,
that it sits on pillars, has four corners, has a cornerstone, has
ends, and that the firmament is a heart and substance. That's very interesting.
Yeah, he comes at it from a biblical point of view, and
at the end or some point in there, I guess he has a message.
I guess he's challenges the pastors to say, hey, this is something
that you should be teaching in your church. It runs about seven hours,
seventeen five star ratings, and if you're a prime member, you can looks
like you can get three months free right now, So there you go.
Yeah, it's really really good. Yeah. I was gonna thinking about putting
that out some type of way. It's just really good. Just we're very
well laid out, and uh, it really convicts you because it makes you
realize that you've based your belief on the earth, based on pretty much atheist
and you've totally disregarded what the Bible actually says. You know, it's very
convicted, right, and you know, if you're part of the Protestant Church,
if you are right, then you shouldn't be listening to Jesuits, that's
for sure, right right. I mean, that's it still shocks me to
this day how many people don't understand what the word Protestant means, right.
Right, protests, that's the root word, protests, right, protests Catholicism.
And there's still many churches today that said the Apostles creed that acknowledges the
Catholic Church. What do you what are we doing here? Right? Yeah?
We can go back even further. Jesus, right, the originator,
and how he there's just nothing that came out of his mouth in any shape,
form or fashion that would support a heliocentric model. I mean, just
wouldn't you know. I've when Jesus was tempted in Matthew four, when the
devil took him up on an exceeding the Bible says, an exceedingly high mountain.
Not just a high mountain, but an exceedingly high mountain and showed them
all the kings of the world. And I'm like, well, how could
he do that if the earth was a sphere? And some people say,
well, it's because Jesus is God, that's why he could do that,
And I'm like, well the devil could see it too. Does that mean
the devil was God as well? Because he's the one who was showing them.
So you just have to just point people back to the Bible just to
explain to them, just to make sure that they're using good logic when they're
interpreting the text of scripture, you know. So that's another really good verse
to show that the earth is flat, just that temptation he showed him all
the kings news, you know, unless he's looking through the sphere and can
see the other citis on the other side, it has to be it has
to be flat, well said, and again, right, even if you
choose to read another version of the Bible, I would challenge folks to,
whenever they're reading, go back and double check the KJV and make sure that
there hasn't been a serious manipulation of text. Because what you described earlier talking
about from Heaven to Space, that that is egregious, right, I mean
that changes the entire meaning of that verse. And you know, I guess
I wanted to throw this at you, like and all the things on our
earth that can lead people away from God. You know, alcohol, drugs,
now heliocentrism may not, you know, a globe may not directly lead
people away from God. But I think there are a lot of parallel issues
that do derive from the globe and that can pull people away from God.
Because again it goes back to you know, what we read in history,
what we see in the Smithsonian Institute, all these things that they when I
say they, I'm talking about the controllers, the people who bend their need
to Satan, right, people get all worked up about it's the Jews,
it's the Jesuits. But like Bill Cooper said, at the end of the
day, they are all Luciferians. And that's how I like to categorize them,
is that they don't create anything, but they take God's word and they
twisted around like maybe maybe they were great beings back in the day that resemble
dinosaurs, but they didn't exist four million years ago, right, right,
right? Absolutely, I agree. Yes, that's obviously the scientists that I
can't remember the lady's name who found red blood cell and tissue in a diner
t rex bone that came out in the news. How's that t rex bone
gonna be four million? How are you going to sustain blood cells and that
type of matter over four million years? It's just not gonna happen, right,
Yeah, that was like eight years ago. They found the soft tissue
inside the bones. I think that it was a German. It was like
Schweitzer. What was the name of the individual, Yeah, yeah, that's
it. Yeah, Mary, it was it Mary. Yeah that sounds right,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. Mary Schweitzer found evidence of
blood cells preserved in t rex fossils. There you go, right, And
she had to come up obviously she didn't want to get kicked out of the
university, so she had to come up with a story, a cockamaning story,
or to explain away how that happened. And she came up with a
story. I don't know if you heard this, that some type of way,
there was some h what do you call the stuff what they used to
embalm you? I forget what it's called from hyeah, Yeah, some type
of way. There's some of that that got down in the dirt. Oh,
you can't make this stuff up. Recent chemical analysis has provided further evidence
that the t Rex bones do indeed contain blood cells, and Schweitzer had since
found soft tissue preserved inside an eighty million year old hydrosaur. Eighty million years
old. Eighty million Now, I can't even fathom that amount. Can you
fathom eighty million years? Yeah? And it blood cells things that dry up
faster than everything else. If you're blood drips out of your arm, it's
gonna be going in a nanosecond. You know. We had unfortunately, you
know, in the military, we had guys get hurt and we would have
to take their uniforms and and uh, you know, burn them. It
drives quick, right, and even vast amounts drive very quick. And uh,
you know, I don't not trying to get off to this awful subject,
but just the fact that even if it was a thousand years would be
ridiculous. And some people don't really understand how how old. Eighty million that's
a huge number. And the goal of thinking that somebody with our technology you
can just say, oh, yeah, this is from eighty million years ago.
Yeah, and that's the pixie dust of scientism that had to come up
with these astronomical numbers and these astronomical and very complex mathematical equations just to put
you in some type of trance so you can just surrender and say, okay,
you're right right. And if you do an experiment like that and you
try to justify something within the last six thousand years, you're not going to
get any funding because you're you're supporting the Bible and these people who are at
the top and have their nonprofits that of money to these types of corporations.
If you want to make money, you go ahead and find something out and
say it was from two hundred million years ago, and you'll get your funding.
But if you pull something out that supports the word of God, you're
not going to find your funding. You might get a two hundred dollars check
from your local church, but you're not going to get your tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands of dollars like the Smithsonian and all these other
places. Get right, and that's why there's such a purge right now in
public universities and colleges of conservative and Christians. I just read an article about
a professor in San Antonio who was fired and I can forward you this article
later. He was fired because he says male and female comes from X and
Y chromosome. He was fired for that, literally fired for that, so
kind of like, you know, how dare you be able to define what
a woman is exactly exactly? He had some students protests and walk out and
now the guy is a pastor, but he said that he never brings that
part out when he's teaching at the university and he just teaches basic science,
and basic science does tell us X X X Y, Right, that's how
we get the genders. But anyway, that's a purge going on, so
we need to wake up absolutely and along the same line, just yesterday are
good friends at the CDC who always looks out for us and they create these
great vaccines to save our lives. That they came out yesterday and they're now
giving tips for trans people who want to breastfeed. So if I'm a dude
and I want to pretend that I'm a woman, the CDC that receives,
you know, one hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding has now come
out with, you know, tips for male breastfeeding and it's called chest feeding,
and that that's where we're at in twenty twenty three. That's why we
can't even trust these people with our health anymore. No, not at all.
Well, we have to do our all independent research, find a naturopathic
doctor or a homeopathic if you can find one, and do your best to
eat right and to exercise the best you can, and just be more responsible.
Because they've proven you you can't trust them anymore. You can't trust the
system, I'll put it that way. I know there are some doctors out
there that are good, but overall the system is has proven untrustworthy. Yeah,
especially when you talk about pharmaceutical industry that you know, the drugs don't
fix your problem, right, they they mask them, you know, people
you know when you take the pills, and then of course the vaccines.
That's just something I've done dozens of podcasts on those things and the rise of
autism, and it's just it gets me really worked up to see again,
growing up as a child, I didn't know anybody who had autism. And
I think the numbers back in the early eighties were one in six thousand or
something like that. Now it's one in third five Hello, right, right,
Yeah, you're right. And Medicare is the biggest payer in the American
system as far as healthcare. They pretty much they rule the rules. They
set the rates. Even in these private plans, they base their rate off
of something known as Medicare assignment. And it's just like no different than you
going into an auto shop and they have a list of prices for different services.
Well, there's a CPT code that's that doctors and hospitals have to use
for every procedure that's built. The code system is you know, built by
Medicare, and they are the biggest pair in these insurance companies and these phar
paceutical companies have figured out that hey, there's no incentive for us to get
these people. Well, if we want to keep building the system and continue
to indict our country and we're getting deeper in debt, we have to keep
them sick. And it's a I think it's a unholy trinity between the pharmaceutical
industry, the medical industry, and the food industry combine agreed and they all
fall under the Rockefeller Rockefeller umbrella. And let me ask you this, Steve,
if if you, if you owned Michelin and somebody came up to you
and said, Steve, we found this new material. It never it never
wears out, so we can sell these tires and they'll last forever. Would
you want to sell those tires or would you uh uh, you know,
take them for a trip in the Pacific Ocean? Oh man, now yeah,
yeah, I see your point point taking for sure. Maybe I'd figure
out a way to sell them for quite a bit funny physic it will be
a one and done, right. And this is when when you talk about
free electricity and not free like but you know what the energy that's out there,
um that uh you know, Tesla found and kind of. And then
you have the people like Stanley Meyer who created these engines for vehicles that run
on water, and he gets killed. You can't make money, you know,
And it's all about making money and keeping the machine going. Because if
we had cars that ran on water, if we had free energy, we
wouldn't have to work very hard and many of us could be sitting down having
these conversations and we would be looking at these guys who are trying to make
people's lives miserable, and all lives would be on them. But they keep
us busy working forty fifty sixty hours a week because we have so many bills
to pay right exactly, and good luck if you're trying to have kids.
Nowadays, they make it so financially difficult to have a single income home,
you know. And I think that's by design. They wanted to get the
women out of the home into the workforce. If they can do that.
A lot of times, the woman's allegiance is no longer to her husband and
her children anymore. It's to either her boss or to her career. And
before you know, you have a bunch of sixteen, seventeen, thirteen year
olds all running around on TikTok because there's no overseas. So I think it's
all by design by the ultimately, like you said earlier, by Satan to
sabotage society and to brain take as many people with him, you know,
as he can. The Bible does describe him as a thief, and he
comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy. Yeah, and he
is very deceitful, and even some of the most innocent things in our lives
can have nefarious meanings to them, And I think it works both ways.
I think again, we talk about technology being a double edged sword. I
get a lot of emails like, uh, I forget the gentleman who emailed
me today talking about you know, like Manly p. Hall. Should we
bring that type of information into our homes of you know, this guy who
formally was a thirty third degree freemason, but kind of whether or not you
believe he came out and outed them or that was just their way of saying,
hey, we told you, you know how that whole thing works.
You know that some people have the mantra, you know, like the art
of war, know that enemy um and you know if you can slay the
enemy with their tools. What are your thoughts on that? You mean,
like using the technology like you're doing now with the podcast, technology, books
and things of that nature. Oh one, as long as we have the
freedom to do it, we still have the freedom to do it. I
think we will be irresponsible not to right to take advantage of these things.
But at the same time, we while we use these tools, George,
I think it's important that we set proper parameters up for ourselves, understanding that
in a way we're playing with snakes. It could bite us at any moment.
I'm gonna give you an example. If you are a strong Christian and
you're using the Internet to put out Christian materials to encourage other Christians like YouTube,
Well, just know you're going to get a lot of suggestive stuff that
maybe try to pull you into pornography, right, I mean, that's just
the reality. So we have to also set up proper parameters as we're using
these tools to keep ourselves also from going astray, because it's kind of a
double edged sword when we use these tools, because they could pull us in
the wrong direction at the same time. Does that make sense a little bit
what I'm trying to Yeah, it makes makes perfect sense one percent. And
also the kind of things that you know, um like Jamatria for example,
I recognize it. I understand how it works, but I don't delve in
it too much, like because and that too when I when I kind of
mentioned like no the enemy, a lot of people think that's how they communicate,
that's how they leave these tools. People like man I can't think of
his name right now, shame on me. Like I had his book,
I read it makes a lot of sense. It isn't old, you know,
when it comes from the Cabala things of that nature. But I think
you really to be careful when you when you mingle in that kind of stuff,
for sure, Like it's to know it and to know it exists and
understand it is one thing. But I have seen many people get worked up
and get pretty wound up into it, and you want to kind of remember
the basics. Yes, absolutely so, Yes, we have to use this
technology. I think we will be amiss if we didn't. But at the
same time, I guess, to put it simply, we just have to
use it responsibly, right, And I think what you said is perfectly know
your boundaries, right, It's it's okay to understand and study I guess,
for lack of better term the enemy, because to know the enemy is gives
you an advantage and defeating the enemy. But at the same time, you
don't want to get sucked in, like you said, and kind of fall
into things and get wrapped up into it and the next thing you're you loose
focus. Right, It's easy to lose focus in this day and age because
there's many distractions. Exactly exactly. I couldn't agree with you more. What
else? What haven't we talked about yet? Oh? Man, Um,
let me think here. Um. I wanted to ask you do you think
there is a kind of a I want to talk to you a little bit
more about NASA. That's something I happen research very much and I kind of
wanted to get your thoughts on kind of what's going on right now with NASA
and kind of the I'm gonna call it propaganda that they're putting out there,
almost using Elon Musk and SpaceX as kind of a front man, because I
don't believe any country is just going to hand over the keys to their space
program to some civilian right unless they're really pulling the levers behind the scenes.
What do you what can you share with me on that? Well, we
know that NASA was you know, founded by Jack Parsons and Alistair Crawley and
the likes of people whom you know, we're not in the spirit of God.
These were evil people, you know, Jack Parsons, the Suicide Squad,
and they really came NASA really came to the forefront in nineteen I want
to say it was nineteen fifty eight, and that was about the same time
Operation Dominic and Operation fish Bowl was going on, and I think that's when
they really well, let me let me back up a little bit because I
do think in the thirties, at some point prior to World War Two,
that they found This is just my thoughts because I've kind of studied a lot
of this stuff and this is just what I've kind of come to the conclusion
of. They did find the firmament. I've seen stories on what they call
I think the Blue Ice, which is the ice I guess that have come
from the firmament. But anyway, you know, NASA came to be because
they realize that, you know, if this got out, and it did,
it has gotten out before the nineteen fifty eight Encyclopeda Britannica mentions the firmament
at you know x amount of feed at I think fifty eight degrees parallel.
And I think, you know, the powers that be said, if this
gets out, they're going to understand or this will lend credence to a creator.
So I do think. You know, some people say that the word
Nasa in Hebrew um some form of a means deceit. And of course the
biggest thing for me is there is literally a snake's tongue on their on their
on their logo. I mean, come on, it's it's it's very obvious.
And all you have to do is really if you go to nassa's website
and you have to read, because every single time there's a picture on the
website, it'll say it's an artist rendition or an anim they tell us,
but people don't take the time. They just see, there's an article by
NASA and there's a picture by the title, so that must be a picture.
They don't take the time to read artist rendition or you know, animation,
they tell us, but people don't actually take the time to read.
And you know, NASA has several several jobs or purposes. I guess I
should say number one is, of course, it's a distraction. Somebody made
a great point that the moon landing in nineteen sixty nine was a huge distraction
from the Vietnam War. It distracts people. It lends credence to Hollywood,
because if we have a flat earth that's enclosed, well there goes Star Wars,
Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek and all that stuff goes right out the window.
And they want people watching the TV and being programmed and being told a
vision henceforth tell of vision. And it's also that NASSA feeds the Military Industrial
Complex and many of its black ops projects. You know, they can charge
ten thousand dollars for a special bolt because there's only one company in the world
that can make that bolt, or make that hinge, or make that space
door. So they have built this specialty, you know, part of the
military Industrial Complex. It gets huge, just massive amounts of money every single
day and nobody questions it. And they do most of their training underwater.
What they get and what they put out is just incredible. And then of
course back in the eighties, they rolled all the TVs into every single school
across the America and every child and teacher witness the Challenger blow up and that
reinforce. Worst that was. That was almost like a ritual for lack of
better words, right, Yeah, that was almost on the same level as
nine to eleven I remember, And was eighty five eighty six that happened.
I think that was January eighty six. Does that sound right? Yep?
I remember because I was suspended from school, all of the homes I got
to watch it anyway, go ahead, yeah, And you know, all
these things are done for a reason. And when you say something to somebody
of that age, like you know, NASA as a hoax. Your brain
inadvertently, not purposely, but is trained. Just like in the military when
you go to basic training, they break it down and that they ability into
something else. And you know these events like nine to eleven and you know
the Challenger explosion, Yeah, January twenty eighth, nineteen seventy six. These
events are this fear based mind control for lack of a better words, and
it reinforces that well, it had to be real because I saw it on
television. M got you. So let's fast forward to the twenty first century.
Can you kind of tie kind of what are your thoughts on how did
he get up? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry that I completely
sidestep the entire thing about Elon Um. So I categorize Elon Musk into the
old mantra that if they need a hero, we will provide them one.
Um. That there's a lot of people on the quote unquote right, UM
that are unreachable, right, that don't want to Then there's some on the
left too, but like with the vaccine mandates, um, a lot of
people are like no thanks. So every now and then they'll get this hero,
this guy, and they'll build him up and right now, Elon is
that guy like um, I think a lot of the Trump people are like
Elon people, and he's like the latest hero. But at the same time,
this is what blows my mind. Uh, this guy wants to put
a chip up in your brain. Right He's champion transhumanism and of course he's
just another character on the world stage. Werner von Braun wrote a book in
the fifties called Project Mars and the main character in the book was a guy
named Elon and his rocket ship look exactly like the very foot the very first
Space X rocket. So again this is made for Hollywood stuff. He is
just another guy. I believe people like him, people like Mark Zuckerberg,
the guy who was the head of Twitter there for a while, Jack Something,
and even in my honest opinion, in my heart of hearts, I
believe people at the very top of Hollywood, which would include say Tom Cruise
and a couple of other people, I believe they're all CIA assets that are
used to manipulate the minds of people. I did a podcast today on my
other podcast, The Fact Hunter, and we were talking about life log how
on February fourth of two thousand and three, two thousand and four. I
forget which year. This was a government DARPA agency, and it was literally
life log. It logged your life. It was a digital diary, and
it was to record your emotions and it built ai people. You know,
the word got out, people got outraged. So on that same day they
closed DARPA February fourth, I think it was two thousand and four, this
new company called Facebook was born. Oh that the exact same day, the
exact same Yeah. And listen, there's hundreds, if not thousands of social
media platforms out there, many that nobody's even heard of. There's pilled,
there's TLB, there's a game. I mean, just on and on and
on on on, even back in two thousand and four. So you tell
me how that on the same day life Log was closed because the word got
out and Congress was outraged and the people were outraged. But on the exact
same day it got shut down, Facebook was born. And how is it
that one entity became the biggest platform on Earth. And by the way,
the co founder was arrested by the FBI when he was sixteen for hacking into
the pentagon. Oh wow, So they created the monster. The monster got
out of control and instead of killing it, they put lipstick on it and
rebranded it, gave it a new name. And what people don't realize is
we are we're giving aware information to the enemy and we and I'm talking about
all of us, including myself, have contributed to the development of artificial intelligence.
You know why you see a picture on Facebook if you like it,
press hark. You know, you look at these old mk ultra type of
things. How they had people they show them a picture. What is your
That's what all this is. You see something on Twitter, you react to
it? Do you click? You retweet? And these things you set up
your account, you say, this is me? And how you react to
all these pictures and phrases is how they develop and understand who you are.
And I believe these are the people how they this is how they recruit,
say the Timothy mcvase and these type of people, because they understand how people
react to certain elements that yeah, these this is something like Sirhan, sirhand,
this is somebody that we can manipulate mentally to help us accomplish our goals.
Right, absolutely, yeah, And my hope is that people will begin
to wake up to that. I think you had a listeners, George,
maybe a couple of episodes ago who mentioned something to you, or it may
have been an email. You may have been reading about putting together some type
of flat earth finder. Oh yeah, like a get together, like a
map where people can go on the map and find a blue dog. I
know that David guy has that on his But have you thought about putting something
like that together? You know I have. I'd rather, to be honest
with you, I'd rather on my website be able to excuse me to post
like events. I would rather like listeners or people in certain areas kind of
get their own events and me to post it. That is something like I
am not a super technologically advanced guy like I can do websites and things like
that, but they've they've made it so where it's not too difficult to create
a website. To do something like that, I'd probably have to pay somebody,
And then you really have to take things like, you know, people's
safety, and are you going to be responsible if somebody goes to find this
dot and there's some you know what I'm talking about, right I do?
I do? So go ahead and tell you about me. What about meetups?
Have you given that a little bit more thought on how you would incorporate
that into your website. Yeah, I can definitely, and I encourage people
if if you are able to get a meet up, if you say,
Hey, this is John from Boston. I want to get together with flat
earthers at the Arthur Tracers on you know, forty eighth and Johnson Street.
I don't even know if there's Arthur Tracers left anywhere. I'm showing my age,
but you know, I would be worth it happy I can. I
can post these events on the website U and I could create a page within
the website and have that going within like ten minutes. That would be too
easy and I would prefer that. UM and I am looking again to do
something. Probably things slow down here September October. I'm definitely going to do
something. Probably I'm I'm leaning toward Lancaster, Pennsylvania, because it's just a
very friendly place to do it. There's huge restaurants up there. But at
some point I'd like to kind of, you know, rent a car and
you know, do five or six stops around the country. And I have
some friends in the military, one in Washington, one in Texas that I
want to go back and visit. So if I can incorporate those two things
together and you get to meet people, and you know, that would be
fantastic. And people can just either go to your website and fill out a
form or they would just email you. Is that kind of your vision something
say Hey, we're going to meet at a Starbucks on August fifteenth or whatever
at seven o'clock. Yep. You know what, Once I get the first
email somebody's saying, hey, I got an email or I have a meetup,
I will put that page on my website immediately and they can just email
me and I'll post it with the links. Like if that person has a
link, I can post link to their information, or I can put a
point of contact, email address or phone number, whatever that person wants.
So if someone has questions, they can reach out to the individual who's in
charge of they get together. And I think it's wonderful meeting people in person,
because you know, I get a lot of emails. I get between
ten and twenty emails a day. I suppose one of the more common themes
of the emails are people feel alone, and I think that resonates with a
lot of people because when you kind of wake up you're I guess you're you
know, instead of paying attention to like baseball and music and movies, you're
more into like the things we're doing now, like rabbit holes and things of
that nature. And a lot of people aren't really interested in it, and
there is a bit of a lonely aspect to it. So if people can,
you know, it's one thing. I think it's cool people are meeting
on the website and email like you, you'll get emails when this goes live,
But it's another thing to meet people in person. To be able to
fellowship in person, that is next level. Now, are you going to
put together a YouTube channel eventually? Fat the fact Counter? So I have
one you can that you could just post the audio right on the YouTube channel,
right, yeah, yeah, I have rumble for both the flat Earth
Files and the fact Hunter. The problem with YouTube is that every time I
post something up there in a matter of time, they usually give me a
strike. Really oh yeah, they have given me so many strikes. One
time I did a video on the Clintons and like six months later I get
an email It's like you've gotten another community strike for bullying. I'm like bullying
the Clintons. If there's ever a bully, it's them. I know exactly
that the podcalling the kettle black. Hey, you're not kidding. So I've
done more things on Rumble than I have YouTube. I actually did post something
on YouTube two or three weeks ago and it hasn't got the strike yet.
So maybe since you know, the whole COVID things slowed down, maybe they've
let off on the strikes a little bit. One more question that I always
ask my wife whenever we're listening to your podcast share in our car, who
does that little voice? M Dale marta studio that is actually Amazon Polly,
So we have I've done a book through Amazon before, and I have an
account with them, and it's called Amazon Polly, and I simply type in
the words. There's like ten different voices you can use. I used to
use it a lot that when it just sounded like the best. It didn't
sound too computer generated. I have used some folks in England who actually use
the voice, but they charge a little bit of money. I've been trying
to, you know, keep it as lean as possible. It sounds more
profocial when there's an actual person doing it. But it's like jeez, thought
it was a child. It kind of sounds like like a teenager, right,
it does. That's probably his daughter doing it. Yeah, I should
actually have her do it. Oh, it's a kind of a cute voice.
I actually like listening to it. Yeah that's Amazon Polly. Yeah.
Yeah, Well I think those are all my questions. Um, this has
been a great talk. This is our mom and my wife. Like I
said, we're heading into our twenty fifth wedding anniversary, congratulations. And I'm
taking her somewhere this this weekend. So it's about five thirty here, so
i'nna have to unfortunately cut our conversation a little short here. That's okay with
that, That is quite all right. We went for an hour and twenty
minutes and you absolutely crushed it. And let me go ahead and give you
the final words, sir. Okay. Um, Well, for me,
I just want to just thank you for the opportunity, of course, but
I just want to encourage everyone, under the sound of my voice just to
just return to the Bible. If you want to know what the Earth is
like, if you want it to know whether there's a universe, or whether
there's a firm man, or whether we actually landed on the moon and all
that stuff. A lot of that information can be found directly in the Bible.
It's to keep the life at the instructions for life, and you can't
go wrong by turning to it. And that's about it. It's been an
absolute pleasure meeting you, and I wish you and your wife again happy anniversary
and all the best to you and your family and your future endeavors. And
again, I hope everybody takes the time. If this message resonated with you
as a listener, please reach out to Steve his email addresses in the show
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notified. Again, thank you so much, Steve, for myself and everyone
here, God bless each and every one of you. Have a great week,
keep your head on a swivel, and until next time, my friends,
we will see