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Weird thing happened in the weird weird
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this is gonna be a deep episode, um, and I have an

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entire book to get through, you
know. So we're gonna talk about theosophy,

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and we're not going to talk about
og original Blovotsky theosphy. I'm gonna

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breeze past that because there's a reason
for that. So just to like get

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into the source of what theosophy is. In the late eighteen hundreds, there

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was someone named Helena Blovotsky, as
you guys know, but for the listener,

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um, and she was a Ukrainian
woman. It's about like eighteen seventy

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seven, I think, is when
she wish her first book. She goes

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over to Tibet. She stays at
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master for years and apparently, you
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she was able to telepathically communicate with
enlightened masters. And so before we really

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get into this, I want to
talk about why theosophy is particularly so fascinating

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and truly it's probably like one of
the biggest rabbit holes I've ever stumbled across,

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so obvious, no secret. We're
very into, you know, like

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the wisdom traditions and the belief of
you know, there being some sort of

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primordial eternal truth that has existed in
secret, you know, throughout the AONs

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or whatever. And reading through Rosicrucian
manuals, they make it apparent very early

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on that they give credit to her
by name Helena Blovotsky is one of the

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like prominent figures in modern times who
is responsible for bringing the eternal wisdom addition

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to public knowledge. So, like
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saying she's very serious, she's very
for real, like read her works.

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The good news about theosophy is it's
not like most orders, where first of

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all, it's not a religion.
It's not like anything that requires worship or

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anything like that. It doesn't even
require belief. You know, you can

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go into this very detached and just
with an open mind, read and and

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you know, kind of study this
material. It's vast, it's expansive,

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and every bit of it is publicly
available online. It's yeah, and what

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is the goal of theosophy. Well, I'm gonna get into yeah, I

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have I'm gonna go over an entire
Theosophy book and a very quick span here.

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Um. And so just to kind
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you know, you go into a
very detached open mind. But the

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point is Theosophy is probably the oh
I was going to say that it doesn't

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require any sort of initiations like all
these other secret society Sure, it's not

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like that. It's a way of
thinking. It's like it's like here's the

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material that it doesn't really matter if
you believe it, you know, and

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it's like a synthesis of all esoteric
knowledge compiled into one concise, complete summary

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of like here's what it is,
Here's why it's relevant, here's here's why

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you should understand this material. You
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it. So um. Around the
I believe it was the nineteen twenties there

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was another prominent figure from Theosophy who
who was named Alice Bailey, and she

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developed even more material in the same
way, like from being a high level

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theosophist um, you know, speaking
with enlightened masters or whatever, and then

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coming forth with more material. And
then finally in the nineteen seventies there was

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the last and most recent one,
Benjamin Krim, a Scottish philosopher, esotericist,

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whatever sounds like a Harry Potter character. It does any Scottish too.

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But anyway, so Benjamin Krim,
and then he came and then like completed

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so to speak, theoso So if
you think about theosophy, there's there's the

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three main people who are coming forth
and being like this is the material,

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Helena, Alison, Benjamin. Each
time these people came forward, it became

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more simple, it became less fluff. If you look here, I have

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one and a half of Helena Blovotsky's
main works, and she really has like

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nine books. Each of these are
well over a thousand pages. Like this

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is two volumes of isis unveiled,
probably a thousand pages. The Secret Doctrine.

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This is only volume two. There's
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and a lot of it is fluff. A lot of it is written from

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the tone of a very oppressed Ukrainian
woman in the eighteen hundreds who was desperately

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trying to like fight back against mainstream
Christianity, And a lot of the language

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and the attitude in the tone she
uses is very like you know in your

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face you're wrong, as these other
people came forward, they were a lot

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more u zact with revealing the information, you know what I'm saying. So

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we're going to focus on Benjamin Krim
today. So there's this book that is

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completely it's just so fascinating. It
is called The Ageless Wisdom, The Ageless

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Wisdom Teachings I Believe, and it's
like basically a very thorough and concise like

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this is exactly what theosophy teaches,
what is believed, here's the truth about

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reality. Here you go. And
then there's even more books that I'm working

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on reading right now, Like there's
a book by Alice Bailey called Initiation,

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Human and Solar, which is like
a very high level overview of like what

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they actually mean when they say initiation. We're just going to touch on that

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a tiny, tiny little bit today. So mostly we're talking about Benjamin Crim,

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Yes, who you said was the
most recent, the most recient since

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the nineteen seventies, gotcha. Yeah, And personally he's my favorite because again,

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like you know, there's decades spanning
these people. It's not like they

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met in real life. Yeah yeah, but they were a part of the

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same society. And these three are
recognized as being the main figures, you

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know, bringing forth the knowledge.
So Benjamin crim is just super cool,

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super fascinating, and this book is
really deep. I did want to start

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this real quick though. A quote
from Isis and Veiled Volume one in the

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introduction, Just so people understand like
the groundwork for this, she says,

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Helena Blovotsky says, our work then
is a plea for the recognition of the

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hermetic philosophy, the anciently universal wisdom
religion as the only possible key to the

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absolute and science and theology. Oh
so that's bold, it's bo that's bold,

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it's bold, it's very hermetic.
It's it's it's all about this,

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you know, Atlantis and all the
stuff we talk about. But it's like

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it's the one stop shop to find
all the information no more in today's society,

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dude. And I say this because, like I spent years, years

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to get to this point to where
I could like access this information and read

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it and understand that it's like a
verifiable source of this material. I mean,

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come on, like everybody knows there's
these silly groups out there, like

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the Mason's, the Two Emplars to
Oteo, they have these secret rituals.

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You gotta pay membership, you gotta
basically be you know, like hazed into

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understanding. They lie to you through
so many levels of initiation. There's no

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clue like what their real purpose is. It's it's just it's it's old,

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it's lame, it's obvious, scated
on purpose. Here's the material. Here

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is what all of these people who
are getting like thousands and thousands and thousands

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of dollars of like membership dues every
year, And all your friends will put

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on your Mason Shriner hats and you
go on a Friday night and you have

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a silly ritual where you're in your
robes, walking around a candle and people

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are reading strange material at you.
And then afterwards you go to the pub

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down the street and everybody has a
beer and laugh about it. Yeah,

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all that's done. You don't need
that shit anymore. This is the material.

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This is this is it. So
so the source of the teachings is

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very important. So this is I'm
gonna read things that are directly from Benjamin

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Krim. Hell, yeah, you
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that. So this book is styled
it was obviously written probably like in the

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seventies or eighties. It is a
It is an interview format between someone who

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has like no knowledge of any of
this, and then the answers are coming

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from Benjamin. But I've cropped out
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and just grab them. So the
source of the teachings, The question was

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like, what's the source? Where
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The Ageless Wisdom teachings is as old
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teachings of a group of men who
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have entered the next kingdom, spiritual
kingdom. They are the masters of wisdom

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and the lords of compassion. There
are men and women like us who have

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expended their consciousness to include the spiritual
levels. There are a large number of

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these enlightened men on our planet who
have been living in the remote mountain and

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desert areas for countless years. From
time to time they release aspects of their

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teachings and so far that we can
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like the collective consciousness in modern times. The major expression of this teaching was

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given through Helena Petrovna Bolovatski. One
of the founders of the Theosophical Society between

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eighteen seventy five and eighteen ninety.
Her book The Secret Doctrine is the preparatory

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phase of the teaching given for the
new cosmic cycle we are now entering,

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which is known as the Age of
Aquarius. Whoa a later phase was given

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through an English disciple, Alice A. Bailey. Every new cosmic cycle we

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are entering a new one now.
The Age of Aquarius brings a world teacher.

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People like Hercules, Hermes, Rama, Mithra Vyasa, Zoroaster, Confucius,

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Krishna, Shankaracharya, the Buddha,
the Christ, Muhammad. These are

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all masters who came from the same
spiritual center of the planet called the spiritual

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or esoteric hierarchy, which is made
up of the masters and their initiates and

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disciples of various degrees. It is
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the Kingdom of Souls. So like
the literal belief here in Theosophy, and

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again it's like, how can we
prove this? Right? Of course,

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the literal belief is that these people, through studying the path of ENLiGHT for

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so many years and developing mastery over
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are able to telepathically communicate with disembodied
souls existing in another realm. That souls

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who you know, apparently achieved rainbow
body or light body have become eternal,

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have moved on. Sure, Yeah, but they communicate with us in order

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to guide us, you know,
so like, for example, according to

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them, Jesus reached light body still
exists in another realm. Yeah, dispensing

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information And it's like every few AONs
or thousands of years. They think about

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it like a Wi fi and they
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the next levels of the teaching so
that we evolve in this plane. Wow,

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it would almost be like if somebody
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the orbs, you know what I'm
saying, Like, because you know,

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like the Buddhists believe like that's what
you turn into basically, right when you

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become enlightened or rainbow body. There
are a theosophical book about UFOs and what

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they are, And dude, the
mind blowing thing is a lot of this

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stuff jives with like what has been
coming to us. I went to a

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crystal shop recently and they had a
bunch of books. One row is Theosophy

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directly under was UFOs. Wow.
Yeah, it was like right in your

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face. I think Benjamin Krim wrote
a UFO theosophical book and they talk about

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orbs and light beings. I mean, like spoiler, we're light beings.

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Yeah, I think it's all the
same stuff. So God, what is

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God? From the theosophical perspective?
God in the esoteric meaning is the sum

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total of all the laws and all
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manifested and manifested universe. God is
impersonal technically meaning there's not one being sitting

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on a throne. Right. You
see what I'm saying. It's the combined

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energy of everything in all existence and
non existence. Nevertheless, that transcendent God

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is manifest in every aspect of creation, including ourselves. We are not separate

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from that creation from God. Every
human being has the potential of the knowledge,

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the awareness of all in creation that
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Think about how in the Bible when
Jesus said when he was leaving,

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he said, you know, if
you have the belief of a mustard seed,

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you can move a mountain. You
can be as I am and perform

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miracles as I do, if you
just had the faith. Yeah, it's

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it's secret. You know. We
are like him, We are like God.

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Yeah, that's what That's what came
into my mind when you're reading that,

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like be like Christ. The masters
are God realized, which is a

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very specific state, and that they
have brought their consciousness in terms of the

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divine spark, the absolute, the
self and to complete atonement or as you

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could say, at one ment with
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The personality and divine aspect are totally
integrated. God is everything that exists

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in all space, between that which
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around everything. All of that is
God. God manifests through its creation,

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which is made of energies at particular
vibrational rates. The form depends on

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the particular frequency of the nucleus and
the electrons of these forms. Modern science

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has been able to break down the
cellular structures. This is him speaking in

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the seventies. Break down the cellular
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every atom is a nucleus with electrons
all around it vibrating at a specific rate,

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and that every atom in the universe
is made in the same way there's

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nothing but energy in all of the
manifested universe. Yeah, so it's consciousness,

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yeah, you know, yeah,
it's it's like the force. That's

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I love comparing it to that because
it is like a perfect allegory. But

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yeah, it's like, you know, like hardcore scientists will use things like

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that to refute spirituality, but it's
like it's kind of bro it's kind of

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inherently spiritual. Like everything is the
same thing, Like everything's vibrating, breaking

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out of frequency. The tiniest atom
has a brain, a nucleus, you

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know, has It's like as above, so below, it's everywhere. This

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is the definition of as above so
below. It's like you know when you

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when when you understand what that means, it's the microcosm is a reflection of

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the macrocosm. And you know what
does microcosm? What does microcosm think?

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Like this, you're a living human
being. You have trillions of little cells

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on your arm. If you have
the ability or the perception to zoom in

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and watch these cells, let's just
say you become a cell and you watch

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them on their day to day those
cells have jobs, Yeah, they have

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they have a so to speak,
a thought or a consciousness that says,

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I gotta I gotta do some work
here, And they are aware function,

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they're aware in some way, in
some way, they're aware, just like

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the blade of grass is aware.
Or dude, even even um like slime

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mold, which has no nucleus,
has no quote unquote brain or mind,

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it still can make decisions right,
it can still move and right. And

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you know, they've tested it and
proven it. It's like weird or they've

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they've proven a single photon of light
is aware. Yeah, it most foot

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exactly like it when when the light
is aware that you are aware of it,

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Yeah, it knows you're watching.
This is proven. Yeah, you

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know what I'm saying, scientifically proven
and this is this is what I'm saying.

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How why has science so like bent
on disproving spirituality It's the same thing.

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Yeah, science is just explaining spirituality. Yeah, I mean that's why

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esotericism truly is and it's peak form
when you understand it's like the knowledge that

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science and spirituality are truly one thing
working together to prove that we are eternal

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beings reincarnating you know in this consciousness
plane or whatever. Yeah, that's that's

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one of the material plane. You
know. That's what's the dope about theosophy

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is it's like why why we got
to be black or white? Why why

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can't we be in the middle?
Why why can't it be all one thing?

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You know, if you look into
quantum physics, it's like magic,

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yes, literally, and it's you
can't distinguish it. Mean, bro,

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the Marvel movies are literally like based
on quantum physics now, and they stuff

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like quant to me, yeah,
yeah, exactly, Yeah, quantum physics

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it's like magic. Yeah, it
really is spooky action. Well he can

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specific you know, quantum physics think
yeah. So the next part is very

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uh, this was kind of like
new information to me, and it's it's

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it's really cool, but it's like
really strange. It's really far out there.

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So I didn't write a lot about
it because it's a very complex subject.

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Okay, but it's anyway, So
the theosophists believe it's it's what is

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known as this part is not what's
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as let me find the exact word. It is septenary, the idea of

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the septin eight, so sept meaning
seven. So it's apparent that that something

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about the number seven is present in
every form of creation. Right, Okay,

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there's seven colors of the rainbow,
there's seven notes on a musical scale,

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right okay, Um, seven h
seven hermetic laws, seven days of

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the week, God created the you
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world basically in six days, and
then on the seventh the rest. There's

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always something about the number seven,
denoting some sort of structure that makes the

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cycle complete. It's a divine number
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why the Theosophists have this principle known
as the seven rays. And the belief

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is that there are seven primordial cosmic
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through all things. And each of
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by numbers, and I believe they
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the archetypal energy of all things,
including including people in their personalities, countries,

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planets, solar system, your soul's
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everything in the non manifested universe.
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esoteric science postulates seven streams of energy
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frequency creates everything and cosmos. Each
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life, psychically demonstrating its unique energetic
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We are the vehicles, right,
The human human being is the vehicle

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of consciousness, whether it be a
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a solar system. To say that
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a planet is on the first or
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say that they are controlled by and
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idea of the septinate is found at
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lives. The seven colors of the
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scale, the seven planes of existence, the seven sacred planets, etc.

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And seven chas, yes, seven
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always seven. It's always seven when
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in keeping with this screen a scheme, there are seven ray types of people,

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and there's a lot more on the
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dude, I don't even know where
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it at that, so very far
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determine like ray dictates your personality and
everyone's different whoa. But alternatively each of

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us incarnating with the energy influence of
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us entering in the age of Aquarius, apparently the influence of the rays or

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shifting and that's why we're you know, according to this leaving the influence of

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the sixth ray, and then when
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influence of the seventh cosmic ray,
which is like there's a literal energetic force

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changing us, like like shining energy
through our souls that will be changing us

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from the inside out. Wow.
Okay, so you mentioned you could potentially

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like find the ray that dictates your
personality, how just studying it and then

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supposedly you're supposed to read them all
and there's a way to you know,

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it's like your intuition guides you,
like, I don't know, there's no

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there's no I don't know the exact
science. There's not a BuzzFeed quiz.

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It's not a buzz I mean,
there might be. You have to remember,

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like as far as like esotericism is
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very rock bottom bedrock of the rabbit
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mean? I would say level one
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like people who are aware that there's
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initiated into like what it all means. You know, like we've all been

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there, we all find out their
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all like, at first, like
they worship the devil. They don't.

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They really don't all worship right,
right, right, all right, they

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don't. There's probably like a handful
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people who there's yeah, there's always
dark stuff. Yeah, and there is

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dark stuff, and I'm not trying
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elements of that are true. Theosophy
goes to great lengths actually to warn against

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dark sorcery, dark occultism. They
call it the black Lodge that they're like

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they have play have like extensive materials
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Oh oh, gotcha, gotcha,
the White Lodge. So I think

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I brushed past this, but that's
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enlightened masters supposedly reside like Buddha and
Christ, the White Lodge and this fraternity

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of enlightened masters is known as the
Great White Brotherhood. Wow. That is

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wild. And then of course the
antithesis of that would be the Black Lodge,

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which is like the very real people
today who are manipulating occult knowledge for

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very bad, nefarious means to like
hinder us the ordinary everyday people from understanding

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this knowledge. Wow, I may
be getting ahead of you or ahead of

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myself or whatever. So if if
the if the White Lodge has these these

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like archetypal Christ like figures, are
their dark figures within the Black Lodge that

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are dark archetypal figures there are,
But I didn't like go that far.

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Sure, yeah yeah, yeah,
but yes, I could only assume,

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you know, because it's like like
I'm not going to say that, like

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oh, Hitler's there, you know
what I mean, Like I don't know,

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like a living person. Yeah,
but it's a thing. Yeah yeah,

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And they're very open about like it's
it's it's because of the so to

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speak, Black Lodge that we fell
from Atlantis. Hold up, Uh,

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that sounds a lot like Kingdom Hearts, Like the there's in Kingdom Hearts,

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there's like seven hearts of pure Light
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that that's like and the darkness they're
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then the other ones they use light
as their like power. That's crazy.

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Yeah, sorry, I'm saying,
dude, I gotta bring up Kingdom Bolts.

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I forgot to even mention the other
reason I, you know, dove

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into theosophy as of recently. It's
because I recently in the past couple of

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years. Um, shout out Jim
Simi Van. He's he's one of one

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of the guys who wrote the It
was either the forward or the introduction in

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my dad's book. And Um,
one of the things he told me on

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the phone one time, I just
started talking to him, like, man,

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I've been really diving into like esotericism
lately and hermeticism and narcissism is very

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fascinating stuff. And he was like, yeah, I'm very interested in like

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the Theosophists and Bolovotsky and it's like
just such a you know, amazing topic

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of study. And he told me, like, I really do believe that

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in the past we were like a
precursor godlike race of beings who fell into

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materiality, like he was like phiosophy, yeah, right, from Atlantis.

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Yeah, it's all the same stuff. And he was indicating to me like

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he's he's really interested in it.
And then the other thing is, you

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know, reading the rosa Crucian material
where they literally blatantly say like we okay.

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So the rosa Crucians very fascinating group. I think they're probably my favorite

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secret society because they're pretty clear about
claiming that they are the oldest secret wisdom

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tradition known to mankind, and they
claim that their lineage comes all the way

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back to the times of the Pharaoh
Thutmost the Third, who this is like

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post Atlantis obviously, but all these
different Egyptian temples and mystery schools are teaching

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all this stuff in secret, and
the Pharaoh Utmost the Third was like,

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damn, this is interesting, you
know what I mean. So he decreed

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that all these schools would be united
into one one mystery school, and the

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Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucians claimed that they
are that school. Oh and like there's

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there's very real evidence that they have
been operating in the world since at least

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the sixteen hundreds, and like there
were manifestos popping up all around Europe from

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the Rosicrucians, claiming that they've been
hiding in secret for AONs, waiting for

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humanity to be on the cusp of
get this, the Age of Aquarius.

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Wow, for them to make themselves
public to like dispense the knowledge. Okay,

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let me, let me just piggyback
off that for a second. Sixteen

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hundreds. You know, they don't
know how old the Pyramids or the Sphinx

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are exactly, and they they believe
that they are actually so much older than

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we originally thought. Um, they're
also learning that like they channel energy literally

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from the bottom to the top the
pyramids, right, Yeah, it's like

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it's like they are they're they're starting
to discover that they might actually be extremely

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high tech like structures like energy conduits. Energy exactly, energy conduits. So

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if those things were built by let's
just say the Atlantean society, you know,

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the Pyramids, the Sphinx and whatever, and then now you're talking about

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they're in hiding until the Age of
Aquarius. And we also know of a

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little alignment that's supposed to happen in
a few years aligning with the Sphinx.

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Ye, so if we're following that
same thread. Then like this is real.

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Yeah, and they mapped out when
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They built the sphinx to be like
a precise yeah, a compass to

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the you know. It's like the
dude. The craziest part, which is

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what you just said, is like, dude, think about my dad.

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He's a he's like a Baptist and
I say Baptist because he was born Baptist

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and then married my mom and became
Pentecostal. Dude, he started having experiences

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in two thousand and seven. He's
like, we're like, this is weird.

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You know, we we you know, we think they're angels or whatever,

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but like, what the heck?
You know. Then in twenty and

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twelve, he sees this female entity
and she starts coming out talking about the

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Age of Aquarius. Dude, we
had never talked about that, never heard

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of that. My mom knew the
song from the nineteen sixty but that's it.

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Like it's just weird. And then
like me, you know, learning

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about that in twenty twelve from my
dad, and she's showing them all the

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Egyptian pyramids and all this crazy stuff. And then I spend the next I

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guess it's eleven years now going down
these rabbit holes trying to corroborate my dad's

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experiences with all this ancient material.
And they very plainly say it's all about

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the age of Aquarius. It's like
something's happening here. Yeah. That was

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one of the things that always jumped
out to me is that, like,

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yeah, your dad came from a
completely Southern Christian background, and then all

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of a sudden he has this experience
and now he's talking about Egyptian gods and

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like all this crazy mystical stuff.
I'm like, And then and then going

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back and finding it an ancient historical
texts corroborating that this information. It didn't

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he didn't just make it up.
Yeah, It's like it's like, did

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he sit around and super quickly read
all of these thousands of years worth of

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history. No, he was told
this by a spirit, right, by

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a spirit. And then we're going
back and being like, oh, it's

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real, Like they've been writing about
this for thousands of years, right.

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That's that is the most mind blowing
piece of spooky. It is spooky.

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It's very I mean, it's like
it's a it's a huge indicator to me

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that it is real. And then
another thing, which like I don't think

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people really get this part because my
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But like I'm telling you, when
I was like fifteen, sixteen,

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seventeen, out of nowhere, one
day, my dad just started talking about

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reincarnation and like the beings imposed on
him that you know, it's what's up.

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And like, I didn't believe in
reincarnation even until I was like like

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a few years ago. Yeah,
you know what I mean, and he

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just out of the blue starts talking
about reincarnation. I remember being a teenager

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and he's showing me all these videos
on kids claiming they're like, you know,

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I can remember my past life.
There's like documentaries about it. Really

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interesting. I'm seeing tons of those
videos. That's one of the things that

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got me fully believing in reincarnation.
These little three and four year old kids

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giving full accounts of former lives that
they go back and find records right and

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corroborate the information like they have like
dreams of like specific details in life,

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and then this documentary crew will take
them to the other country they claim they're

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from, and like the grave is
there and like it all checks out,

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like it's wild yuff. Oh yeah, wild stuff. But yeah. So

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that my point with that is like
this material theosophy, like it's it's one

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of the most important things about it
is reincarnation and karma. Wow, it's

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crazy. But yeah. Anyway,
So moving on from the rays, rebirth

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and reincarnation. Evolutionary progress is based
on the process of rebirth. Reincarnation is

401
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the method of our evolution of consciousness. Every thought, every action that we

402
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.000
have under this law sets emotion a
cause. We are creating causes all the

403
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:36.599
time. The effects stemming from all
these causes make our lives good or ill.

404
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.240
At this moment, we are making
the rest of this life and our

405
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.559
next life. We are receiving what
is called karma. The law of karma

406
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:47.359
is the law of cause and effect. The effects from our previous deeds,

407
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.680
good and bad, create the conditions
of our life today, and the results

408
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.440
of our deeds today create the conditions
of the next period of life, either

409
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:57.839
now or when we return in our
next body. The soul magically creates a

410
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:03.680
series of bodies through which it can
eventually really demonstrate itself as a soul.

411
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.359
At that point, we are well
on the way towards the end of the

412
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evolutionary cycle. It takes hundreds of
thousands of incarnations per soul. Yeah,

413
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But once that point is reached and
the soul looking at its reflection, the

414
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man or woman in incarnation sees that
it is beginning to respond to the soul's

415
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:26.400
quality and is becoming more divine,
more unselfish, more altruistic, more concern

416
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.319
for other people, and not just
for the satisfaction of its own desires.

417
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It stimulates the vehicle and begins a
process which ends the evolutionary journey, the

418
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:41.160
process of initiation. Initiation has been
brought into life to speed up the evolutionary

419
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.960
process. It is not essential.
We could evolve without it, but it

420
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.440
would take millions and millions of years
to get to that point where we are

421
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today. Mathematically, if you think
about it, every single soul has to

422
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go through hundreds of thousands of incarnate
Yeah, that would be so many millions

423
00:30:55.119 --> 00:31:00.440
of years exactly if there was no
initiation phase. There are five great planetary

424
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:07.799
initiations to perfection. Jesus taught reincarnation. He even in the Gospel he makes

425
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.200
comments about John being the second coming
of Elias which is an Old Testament prophet,

426
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:15.759
and then the Bible. It's in
the Bible. Come on, it's

427
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.559
right there. And then exactly,
and then there's another there's a parable about

428
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:26.079
a child being born blind. And
then Jesus asks the people listening, like

429
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:27.920
how who they ask him? Or
no? No, he asks them,

430
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:33.119
so who sinned the child or the
father? Think about it? What do

431
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.640
you mean send he was born blind? Yeah? Previous life? Right?

432
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.160
Yeah? Who sinned for this child
to be born blind? Oh? But

433
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.319
that's that's it just goes right over
people's heads, of course, because I

434
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:48.480
mean, you're you're trained to completely
ignore anything about reincarnation. And then exactly

435
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.480
like I think we said this in
the very first episode, let's get missed,

436
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.839
the coal um Benjamin Kramm says this
right here in the text. The

437
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:59.240
guy asks Benjamin kram well, why
is reincarnation so prevalent in the East but

438
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.519
it's not mentioned in Western traditions.
He says it was. It's just the

439
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.599
Emperor Justinius erased it. They had
the Second Council of Constantinople, and you

440
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.359
can looked this up as history.
They had the Second Council of Constantinople and

441
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.359
they put a decree banning reincarnation.
Yep, it's real history. Literally,

442
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.160
they decreed all kinds of stuff there. They decreed when Jesus's birthday was.

443
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.440
They decreed that he was like a
divine into tea and you know he was

444
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.720
like an incarnation of you know,
God and all this stuff, and that

445
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.680
he didn't go around teaching reincarnation.
It's like that was Constantina do the birthday

446
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.640
thing. Oh right, but all
the same authorities making these decrees, that's

447
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.160
what. Yeah. But yeah,
both are true, they're just different times.

448
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:42.640
But yeah, it's crazy. So
like what does that mean? If

449
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.519
if this is true, which I
know without a shadow of a doubt it

450
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.279
is, that means in the ancient
past, every civilization was teaching reincarnation,

451
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:54.279
every one of them. It's it's
I feel like it's because they were connected

452
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.599
with nature, you know what I
mean? They like I just saw you

453
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:02.200
know, uh doctor Debby. Yeah, like he was talking about how like

454
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.680
you know, he would go to
these remote jungles and locations and ask for

455
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.000
healing herbs and he would ask the
people he would buy it from, what's

456
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.359
this supposed to be good for?
And they would say like, oh,

457
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.720
it's good for your blood, it's
good for inflammation, whatever. And he

458
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:21.880
would take it back to America to
the most prestigious like laboratories and have them

459
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.880
test it, and they'd be like, it's good for blood, it's good

460
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:29.839
for inflammation. And he said it
told him they are connected to nature.

461
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.880
How do they know that? He
said, the gorilla, the gorilla in

462
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.759
the jungle doesn't have a laboratory.
He knows what to eat, he knows

463
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.519
what his body needs because he's connected
to nature. He was like curing people

464
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.680
of cancer with these Oh yeah,
and they killed him for it, right,

465
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.480
No, I mean straight up.
I mean it's a conspiracy, but

466
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.240
like, but it's come on,
yeah, come on. Now, there's

467
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.680
a lot of headlines that pop up
holistic doctors just suddenly dying out of nowhere.

468
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:59.000
It's it's this whole modern society is
designed to distract us money. Yeah,

469
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.599
well that's the biggest you know,
it's funny about that, so check

470
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.559
it out. I'm not going to
cover this in the material where we can

471
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.680
still talk about it. The theosophists
are pretty open about this, that there's

472
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:14.639
like this spiritual corruption taking place in
many facets of society and in modern times

473
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:22.480
the dominant corruption is actually the economics. Oh well, dude, absolutely,

474
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.360
that's that's where it's It's like,
from a spiritual perspective, there is a

475
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:30.960
force crippling humanity through the economic sector. Bro at least here in America where

476
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.440
I can speak of. I mean, we were like batteries. We we

477
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.840
live. We have to make money
and survive. You're going to jail if

478
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:43.920
you don't pay your taxes literally literally
like like we are. It's beat into

479
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.599
our heads from the day we're born, like, you gotta make money.

480
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:52.800
If you don't, you won't survive. You know. I think true progress

481
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.760
is spiritual. Yes, true progress
is energetic, it's emotional, it's it's

482
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:01.880
mental, it's the mind. Yeah, it's not. It's not like buildings

483
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:07.039
and inventions and the faster cars and
garbage. Yeah, it means nothing.

484
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:13.679
That's absolutely. I love what you
said about um uh like the you know,

485
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.559
I just love talking about reincarnation.
But like learning the lessons and carrying

486
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.800
those lessons to the next incarnation.
That's how the spirit evolves. That's how

487
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.679
consciousness evolves. Yeah, there's this
there's this actor. I don't remember his

488
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.000
name, but um do you remember
iron Man one? There was a different

489
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.960
actor that played Roadie. Yeah,
that guy is like super into theosophy and

490
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.840
mysticism and all that stuff. He
he recounts, dude, and I mean,

491
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.320
you know, there's no way to
prove this or whatever, but I

492
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:45.559
believe him. He says that he
remembers being in the womb, in the

493
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:51.320
womb of his mother, like like
close to his birth, and he remembers

494
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.519
frantically thinking, don't forget, don't
forget, don't forget, don't forget,

495
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.960
don't forget. And the thing that
he was trying not to forget is he

496
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:04.440
says that in his former former incarnation, whatever it was, he figured out

497
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.360
the formula for the flower of life. Wow, and he says, cool.

498
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.239
He remembers frantically, don't forget,
don't forget, don't forget, And

499
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.599
that goes right along with all those
examples of all those kids who are born

500
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:20.920
and remember everything. It's like,
yeah, I mean, at this point

501
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.920
in my life, reincarnation is the
easiest thing for me to believe. It's

502
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.320
the answer. It is. I
mean it all the all the all the

503
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.079
hell, all that punishment and eternal
reward, all that goes away, all

504
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.599
that goes away, Its fear it's
fear, it's it's it's it's lies,

505
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.679
it's deception, and like distraction,
it's distraction, and it makes so much

506
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.280
more sense that like you're just reincarnating
here and until you learn how to get

507
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.159
it right. Yeah, I guess
what everybody, this might sound weird,

508
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:52.440
but we don't die. We don't
die, not really this like shell will

509
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.360
go away, but like your soul
will never die truly like you what you

510
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.199
really are, because we think that
we're our personality and we're the things that

511
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:07.079
we have and whatever, but like, no, the core of who you

512
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.960
are, it will literally never die
ever. It's reincarnation. It's just gonna

513
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.159
keep going. And for anybody who's
like I hear this all the time.

514
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.559
I'll just casually get in conversations with
people and they're like, oh man,

515
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.360
what if you're reincarnate into a cock
roach. That's like the biggest thing,

516
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.079
right, I know, Helena,
I mean not Helena Benjamin Krim. In

517
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.880
this book, I just didn't include
the excerpt. The author asked them the

518
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.519
same thing about Eastern reincarnation, and
he's like, well, even even the

519
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.960
Eastern, the exoteric Eastern traditions get
it wrong, and it's a very negative,

520
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.039
pessimistic view. And like in Hinduism
they have the cast system, you

521
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.599
know how like the pinnacle of society
is the Brahmin, the priest, the

522
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.639
one. But no, I don't
remember the names. You could look that

523
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.519
up if you wanted to, Alex. It's c a ste Hindu cast system,

524
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.440
yep. And it's like it's kind
of like they believe that once you're

525
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.039
born into this spiritual placement, that's
all you will ever be, nothing more,

526
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.920
nothing less. And if you're born
is I think it's like a dolly

527
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.840
I believe is, which is like
the lowest, Like you're you're a peasant,

528
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.519
you get nothing from anybody. You're
you're a disgusting piece of trash.

529
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.280
If you reincarnate into that, you're
you're you're fucked, right, That's what's

530
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.599
believed in a lot of these kind
of like Eastern mainstream religions. But like

531
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.440
even Benjamin Currant, you know,
theosophy is like, no, that's that's

532
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.199
not the whole thing. You don't
go backwards, if you don't reincarnate,

533
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.159
you know, backwards as a dog
or whatever. You're always evolving upwards.

534
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:30.000
Yeah, you might have lifetimes where
in the last one you made a lot

535
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.599
of progress and then in the next
one you relapse in your choices. But

536
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.440
that's because initiation is painful. We'll
talk about that later. So it's kinds

537
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.400
of had it a little upside down. Um, the Brahmins are the precy

538
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.960
class, and then the lowest is
the untouchables. The untouchables, right,

539
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.320
but don't they called Dalites? I
mean they haven't. They have like like

540
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.840
Hindu names. Yeah, it goes
it's four Hindu names and then untouchable.

541
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.679
So let me keep looking. Damn, dude, that's okay, Yeah,

542
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.480
yeah, just let us know when
you find it. So the plan of

543
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.000
evolution, this world is in a
process of change. It is going through

544
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.920
a temporary period of extreme trouble and
violence and manifested hatreds. But new energies

545
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.960
are pouring into the planet all the
time, particularly a great energy from a

546
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.920
cosmic avatar called the spirit of peace
or equilibrium. This avatar works precisely with

547
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.920
the law of action and reaction,
which we'd call the law of karma.

548
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.639
Damn, that is it's all that
stuff we've been talking about on the podcasts,

549
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.760
you know, about evolving towards higher
consciousness and age of Aquarius that we've

550
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.760
just kind of intuitively that's that's the
whole premise. Yeah, And when I

551
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.480
hear that, well, you just
said, like there's not an iota of

552
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:44.079
myself that that doesn't recognize that as
truth, Like I feel my intuition feeling

553
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:49.360
comfort. Why would physical evolution be
accepted as true? But there's no sort

554
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.400
of consciousness evolution, you know what
I mean? Yeah, it makes no

555
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.760
sense evolution. We're not at the
peak. We're at the peak of the

556
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.679
physical human kingdom. Yeah, yeah, I believe we're evolving into the next

557
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.599
kingdom, so to speak. And
it talks about that in here. So

558
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.599
now this part is very deep.
Let's go. It's very fascinating, and

559
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:14.480
I want to express that when we're
speaking here about initiation, we are not

560
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:21.000
referencing people on a Friday night going
to some planned ritual where they were a

561
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:25.639
good boy and they remembered their Masonic
lines and they they took the pledge ten

562
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:30.079
thousand times, and then they go
and they have a party where they all

563
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.079
sit around in robes around a candle
and read funny stuff. That is a

564
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:39.400
fake initiation. That is a metaphorical
initiation of people doing plays. They're doing.

565
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:45.519
They're doing dramas to try to understand
things that are really deep concepts.

566
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:52.000
When a theosophist speaks of initiation,
what they're specifically talking about is entering a

567
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:59.840
doorway of the soul into one of
the five evolutionary phases of the spirit between

568
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.159
our nations. So when we say
initiation, what we mean is your soul

569
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:12.239
is evolving into a higher form through
these five stays stages, and more rapidly

570
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:17.679
than it would yes. The time
between the inception of a soul being manifested

571
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.280
here in the physical realm and taking
the first initiation, so to speak,

572
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.360
which according to this written in the
nineteen seventies, there's only like a million

573
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.039
people in the world who supposedly have
even taken the real first initiation. I

574
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:36.199
think it's probably a lot more now
in this dantiture, but not most.

575
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.800
But anyway, so the time between
the soul being manifested here initially millions of

576
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:45.880
years ago and taking the first initiation
is hundreds of thousands of lifetimes. And

577
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.840
then the span between the first initiation
and the second initiation, they claim is

578
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:55.039
maybe like another fifteen lifetimes, and
then the third and the fourth initiations can

579
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.480
rapidly be taken in one lifetime.
And then the fifth initiation, according to

580
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:07.000
theosophy, is when you become like
Christ Buddha, like not just enlightened,

581
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.119
but like a planet, not just
rainbow body. That's fourth. I'm saying,

582
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.559
a planetary logos that is recognized through
the AONs is a name that people

583
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.199
who strive to be. That's the
fifth initiation, like Christ, Krishna,

584
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.840
Zoroaster, all these legendary names that
we've been talking about, they've supposedly taken

585
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:29.320
the fifth initiation. The fourth is, you know, becoming a master of

586
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:34.239
Okay, so the first initiation,
Okay, So I'm just gonna read the

587
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.000
excerpt. Each kingdom grows out of
the kingdom below. It first is the

588
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:42.480
mineral kingdom, the densest from that
grew the vegetable Kingdom. From the vegetable

589
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.519
grew the animal Kingdom. From the
animal kingdom has grown the human kingdom.

590
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.000
We owe our body to the animal
Kingdom. Out of the human kingdom has

591
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.960
been growing another kingdom, which we
do not recognize unless we are esotericists,

592
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.920
which is the spiritual kingdom made up
of the masters and the initiates. The

593
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.199
spiritual Kingdom or Kingdom of souls is
the kingdom immediately above the human kingdom.

594
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.599
You enter it through the human kingdom
as you evolve up to the point where

595
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:10.599
the soul really begins to demonstrate itself
through its reflection. Who said that Socrates

596
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:17.719
know thyself begins to demonstrate itself through
itself reflection the man or the woman on

597
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:22.079
the physical plane, You enter the
spiritual kingdom through the doorway of initiation.

598
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.519
There are five doors through which you
pass to become a master. Eventually,

599
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.519
every single soul will become perfect in
that same way through incarnations. The first

600
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:36.199
step is the birth of the Christ
principle. The whole process is re enacted

601
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:42.360
dramatically in the Gospel story the Life
of Jesus, symbolizing this path of initiation.

602
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.440
Of course, it is much older
than Christianity. It is almost as

603
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.639
old as humanity itself, and it
has been presented to humanity over and over

604
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.000
again in different ways throughout different myths
in the past, and the Gospel story

605
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:57.480
the birth of Jesus at Bethlehem is
the symbol for the first initiation, which

606
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.599
is called the Birth at Bethlehem,
the birth of the Christ in the Cave

607
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.199
of the Heart, or known as
the birth of the end dwelling Christ that

608
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.960
takes the man or woman into the
spiritual hierarchy for the first time and demonstrates

609
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.840
control over the physical body. The
second initiation is called the baptism and is

610
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.360
symbolized by the baptism of Jesus at
the Jordan River by John the Baptist.

611
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.280
This demonstrates control over the emotional astral
vehicle. The third initiation is called the

612
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:27.320
transfiguration and is symbolized by the transfiguration
of Jesus on the mount. For the

613
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.480
initiate, this is the culmination of
the lower process that integrates the three lower

614
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.760
vehicles, the physical, the astral, and the mental. From the master's

615
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:37.880
point of view, this is really
the first true initiation because it's the first

616
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.119
soul initiation. Then you go to
the fourth, which is symbolized by Jesus

617
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.599
dying on the cross. It's called
the Crucifixion, and the east it is

618
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.360
called the Great Renunciation, where everything
is renounced, even life itself. If

619
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.760
necessary to demonstrate the lifting of the
initiate out of matter into the radiance of

620
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:58.320
the light of spirit, Jesus went
through it on the cross to demonstrate it

621
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.840
for us physically to set this great
experience of renunciation before the world. This

622
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.280
is followed by the resurrection. The
resurrection of the body of Jesus on the

623
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.360
third Day symbolizes the resurrection initiation,
in which the man, now a master,

624
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.519
is freed from the pool of matter
forever. The Master is in a

625
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.639
body which is totally resurrected, a
body of light. Every initiation light body.

626
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.480
Every initiation confers on the initiate more
and more energy of subatomic particles.

627
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.519
By the time he or she is
taking the fourth three quarters of that body

628
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.679
is literally light. They always tell
the story of Moses or Jesus. You

629
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.480
know, they come down from the
mountain and they appear to be light,

630
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.880
right, yeah, blinding. Moses
had to wrap his face if you read

631
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:43.320
the Old Testament, because apparently he
was face to face with light, and

632
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.960
he was shining light before he went
away. You know, the Master stands

633
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:51.679
free from the physical planet. Oh
my bad. This is completed at the

634
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.199
fifth initiation. The Master stands free
from the physical planet. He no longer

635
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.360
has to incarnate. He is now
in a body which is totally transfigured and

636
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.639
resurrected. In the esoterics of the
word, many masters do in fact stay

637
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.800
on the planet to oversee the evolution
of the rest of us, but many

638
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.320
go on to higher planets or even
out of this system altogether. One of

639
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:14.079
the prerequisites for beginning the initiatory process, that was the question from the interviewer,

640
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:20.800
and the answer is the soul sees
that the person is beginning to reflect

641
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:28.320
its qualities on the physical plane,
the emotional astral plane, and the mental

642
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:35.199
plane, and is truthfully becoming more
altruistic, that its actions are no longer

643
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:40.559
totally governed by his or her personal
desires. The personality becomes negative to the

644
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.360
soul, meaning the ego, the
ego. You begin to learn the truth

645
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:47.760
like, the ego is terrible.
It limits me from being who I really

646
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.480
am. Yes, yeah, you
begin to realize this. You begin to

647
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:57.079
shun this and to become more altruistic, which is a fancy word for saying,

648
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.880
like your kind, you're compassionate,
you're truthful, and your action.

649
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.880
Yeah, I kind of feel like
that's why, Like on psychedelics, your

650
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:07.440
ego lashes out so hard. It's
like you're gonna die, have a bad

651
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:08.880
trip. You're gonna have a bad
trip, You're gonna be trapped like this.

652
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.480
It's not good. This isn't good
because it's weak. At that point,

653
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.519
your ego is weak, it's thin, warrior like face to face with

654
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:22.880
it, which the same thing,
right, it seeks Oh, the personality

655
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.920
becomes negative to the soul and seeks
to carry out soul purpose, even though

656
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:30.679
it might not know it as a
soul. Then we see a beneficient person

657
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:35.400
who is rather altruistic, who is
really looking for and working towards the betterment

658
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.639
of humanity. He will have made
some service and put others evolution in society

659
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:43.519
as a whole somewhat higher than his
own his or her own self. It

660
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.760
takes hundreds of thousands of incarnations to
even come to the first initiation. Theosophie

661
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.159
is very clear about the fact that
you could be you could be not believing

662
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:57.280
in anything, and just through the
natural evolutionary cycle through many lifetimes, get

663
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.800
to this point because you have to
understand karma reincarnation, through many lifetimes of

664
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:07.079
suffering and suffering and suffering and coming
back here and retaining that soul memory you

665
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.239
you know, everyone will reach the
state right. Whatever you believe, it

666
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:14.800
doesn't matter, it's the whole point. But having the knowledge of it is

667
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.559
like you know think about it like
this. It's like having the knowledge of

668
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.079
it can make the process quicker.
It's like an accelerant. Yes, yeah,

669
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.760
because it's like you know, you're
aware of it, you can understand

670
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.920
how it works. But it's going
to happen to everybody, right, It's

671
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.559
like the lessons will be learned one
way or another, even if it's subconscious

672
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:38.679
through. It's just like, if
you're subconsciously learning these tiny lessons through in

673
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.519
the grand scale a short lifetime,
it's going to take a long time for

674
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.039
that. Yeah. But if you
start digging in and you find the truth

675
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.880
and it's like, oh my god, this is the point, this is

676
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:57.440
what it's all about, then like, yeah, you start a momentum that

677
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.119
your soul is like on a tract, right, and then you can follow

678
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:04.800
that momentum. Now it's very clear. These are things that are in the

679
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.079
book that I just didn't write down
to read. They make it very clear

680
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.079
that once you are aware of this
knowledge, or as you could say,

681
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.039
from the Garden of Eden, you've
been made aware of the knowledge of good

682
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.199
and evil. You know, like
the serpent, oh it brings they're not

683
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:19.000
supposed to eat the fruit, but
they ate it and now you're aware the

684
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.159
knowledge of good and evil. Well, when you're aware that karma is a

685
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:28.079
very real force and reincarnation is truly
happening to you, but you choose wrong

686
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:35.440
way of action towards others, the
karmic devastation is greater. Oh yeah,

687
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:39.079
I mean that makes sense to me
because that's I think we actually touched on

688
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.320
that on a previous episode. That's
like truly one of the most egregious things

689
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:45.840
that you can do. It's like
energetically attacks someone. Yeah, you know

690
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.599
better, right, So it's going
to come back to you. You know,

691
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.159
you put your intention to bypass what
is right. You know, there's

692
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.920
a lot of people who just don't
know better, bro, I mean you're

693
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:59.519
like children, right, Yeah,
they don't know better, make mistakes all

694
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.559
the time, exactly what we're talking
about before. On a different episode,

695
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:06.679
Alex had brought that upright and yeah, and we were talking about that.

696
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:09.639
It's like the Bible says, like
you murder with your mind, you murder

697
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:14.360
with your intentions. Yeah, with
your words, yes, Like, that's

698
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.320
not the punch that did the damage, it's the it's the heart that wanted

699
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:22.760
to do it. It's it's because
like like the body doesn't matter, Like

700
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.920
you cool kill a body? Was
that really doing? It's gonna incarnate into

701
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.639
another? Hey, killing people's not
cool. Let me just put that.

702
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:38.480
We're speaking metaphor, of course,
but the true evil is intention, those

703
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:45.519
dark feelings and like it's also it's
also reflective because if I feel these deep

704
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:52.400
dark things about someone else, it
comes right back at me. It damages

705
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:57.719
my soul, my spirit, and
it starts a negative momentum. You gotta

706
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.079
that. It's also like quantum physics. You know two articles are you know

707
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.320
all particles are entangled? Really,
I mean there's there's there's only the They

708
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.760
proved this. I think Australian scientists
prove this in twenty fifteen. The quantum

709
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.239
entanglement is truly real. Oh yeah, which, what was the theory there?

710
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.119
There's truly no physical space and time. It's an illusion that we're observing.

711
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.400
Yeah. So, like if you
think about it, your hatred towards

712
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.599
another being, that hatred towards yourself
exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's it's

713
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.519
it's like at this point you can't
deny it. It's the same reason why

714
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:29.719
you can't truly show love unless you
love yourself. Yes, the same thing.

715
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.280
Yes, I believe that wholeheartedly.
Same I do too, Like,

716
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:38.400
you can't truly reveal an unconditional,
honest love towards others until you learn to

717
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.960
fill that towards yourself without any sort
of outside influence, because you don't even

718
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.880
know what it is, Yeah,
unless you can give it to yourself.

719
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:50.519
Yeah, it's you know, the
most important lessons we learn in this world

720
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:55.159
come from within. That's why,
like all the wisdom traditions, everybody,

721
00:51:55.239 --> 00:52:04.159
it's all about looking within because you
are everything. You are everything, Everything

722
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.920
is everything. Yeah, you know
it's it already clearly says like that is

723
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.000
God. God is everything, every
inside, every atom, Yeah, every

724
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:15.320
atom, everything, every dust mite, it's God. And that's yeah.

725
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.400
So that's that's why. That's one
of the many reasons why it's so important

726
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.639
that you're careful with your thoughts,
your energy, you know, your words,

727
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:28.760
your your actions as well. Like
you are damaging yourself if you are

728
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.480
trying to damage other people. Correct
think about think about when you get caught

729
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:38.000
up in anger, right, you
get it's it's like addictive, It's like

730
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:46.639
this this palpable, addictive force of
energy. But what happens the more you

731
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:52.199
engage in it. The more you
want to engage in it, yep.

732
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:58.760
And the more miserable you are,
yeah, the more negative and just complaining,

733
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.239
and your life collapse is around you. Yeah, it's because you're But

734
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:05.639
the problem is people in that state
or in so much denial, they can't

735
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.800
even clearly see that. Oh no, of course. Yeah. And if

736
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.920
you tell them, well, now
they're angry exactly. It's like, it's

737
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.880
kind of like being depressed. You
don't know that you're depressed until after,

738
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.400
you know what I mean. Yeah, in the moment, you're like,

739
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.679
you can go buy a year,
and then when you come out of it,

740
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.800
you're like, I've been depressed for
a year. Yeah, I didn't

741
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:30.400
even know. You know. That's
that lack of self reflection. That's that

742
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:34.079
not showing yourself love. And that's
why, you know, so many people

743
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.320
say you want to you want to
make things better on the inside, show

744
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.159
love outside, Show love outside.
That's the first step if you, if

745
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:44.599
you, if you guys are stuck
in a negative rut or whatever, start

746
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:46.079
showing love to the people around you. You know what's mind blowing about that?

747
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:50.360
I know you probably don't remember everything
we said in every episode, but

748
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.599
do you guys remember in the Karma
episode, And I think we talked about

749
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:58.280
this in like the Disney episode like
probably two years ago, where I was

750
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.280
just like I've got this Jimney cricket
thing or let the conscience be your God.

751
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.800
And I've been saying like, man, I have this theory that,

752
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.599
like, you know, the way
to pay off negative karmas by following your

753
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:09.400
conscience. You remember like me saying
that, yeah, you know where that

754
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.920
came from, just a deep thought, like I didn't read the yeah,

755
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:21.400
intuition. Theosophers say that verbatim.
No, yeah, they'll say it exactly

756
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.239
in the language that I say.
But the principle is in order to pay

757
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:28.719
off I think the interview asked,
how do you get rid of negative karma?

758
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.280
And he's like, oh, you
know, service towards others and you

759
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:35.920
know, altruistic acts of kindness and
love and empathy towards other beings, following

760
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:40.039
your conscience. Because it's hard for
this service, this whole physical realm.

761
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.039
All we're taught how to do is
communicate with others. We're not taught how

762
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.960
to communicate with ourselves, you know, so it's so much harder to know

763
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.679
how to go inside and take care
of yourself. If you don't have any

764
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:59.760
experience trying to just do selfless kind
things from the outside, it's kind of

765
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.119
like this endless cycle of like take
care of yourself, take care of others.

766
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:06.920
Take care of yourself, take care
of others. You'll get better at

767
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.679
both by doing both. Yeah,
you'll get better at taking care of yourself

768
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.800
by yeah, by being nice to
others, you'll get better at being nice

769
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.599
to others. If it's like it's
like it's like if you if you nurture

770
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.239
that energy outwards, it's gonna nurture
it inwards. But if you nurture it

771
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:23.440
inwards, just gonna nurture it otwards. Yeah, it's as both. So

772
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:28.320
below it's like yeah, but if
if you if you nurture both, yeah,

773
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.519
you know, like yeah, so
you know we say like, you

774
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.559
can't love somebody until you love yourself. Well, if you don't know how

775
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.960
to love yourself, you don't know
where to start. Just start being nice

776
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.920
to people around you. Just start
doing selfless things. Just be kind,

777
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:45.199
listen to people, and then you
know, treat yourself, treat others as

778
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.719
you would want to be treated.
The golden rule. Yeah, just be

779
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:52.280
kind to people. They mentioned the
Golden Rule and this book Wow, and

780
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:58.840
then like they basically say that like
the the the Masters of Wisdom or the

781
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.480
the you know, the the Great
White Brotherhood or whatever, they won't even

782
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:10.159
take somebody into their like tutelage or
communication or whatever until it's proven that the

783
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:16.559
initiate's heart is altruistic and has at
least been through like the second incarnated initiation

784
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:21.760
or something. And like they say
that to know if someone has taken the

785
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:31.320
first initiation is if there is at
least a kernel of motivation to cease negative

786
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:39.199
harmful acts, either to yourself or
to others, addictions, the earnest desire

787
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:45.000
to be better. That is evidence
of the first initiation. The second initiation,

788
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.679
supposedly, according to theosophy, is
beginning to develop the mastery, right,

789
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.360
and it's apparently they say it takes
like so many lifetimes between the first

790
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:57.559
and the second, because the first
initiation is when your soul clicks and that

791
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.320
light comes on and you're like,
I need to be better, so I

792
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.639
want to be better. Like the
first step is be kind that well not,

793
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:07.320
the first step is releasing the denial
that yeah, I mean, be

794
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.920
kind is a part of it.
But it's but it's it's the it's the

795
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:16.599
it's the acknowledgement. It's the attempt
to be more altruistic, to stop getting

796
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:21.280
you know, if there's something that's
causing you addictions or pain or suffering or

797
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:23.599
others, you know, to try
to shun that. And then they say

798
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:30.320
the soul will relapse, and you
know, through so many lives until it

799
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:37.559
finally stabilizes and takes mastery over the
emotional body and controls emotional reactions and is

800
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:42.159
like okay, like I'm I am
in control of myself. That part's hard

801
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:45.599
to do. It is, that's
why there's supposedly so many lives between.

802
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:47.239
That makes sense to me. It's
hard to learn that lesson. It seems

803
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.480
like it would be too hard to
learn that lesson in one lifetime. Exactly,

804
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.400
it really does. Exactly. I've
been through periods of my life where

805
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:59.440
like I'm good at doing that,
and then like I'll slip into a bad

806
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.440
mode of where I'm right back where
I was, where I'm being, you

807
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.679
know, not anywhere near as kind, I'm not thinking of others, and

808
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:09.199
I'm like, oh man, I
thought I was I thought I was doing

809
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:14.440
good there I feel like there's no
way you could possibly learn that in a

810
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.119
life, in one life to no
way, Yeah, no way. You

811
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:20.239
know. The good news is apparently
everybody will get there, you know,

812
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.440
because the point is you have the
knowledge, work towards it. That's all

813
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.039
you can do. But um,
and this book goes into so much more

814
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.719
detail about all of this. I
took like like a paragraph each section,

815
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.079
you know, and there and there
are so many books about this. But

816
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.239
anyway, so moving on from that, the Masters of wisdom, it's like,

817
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.840
who are the masters of wisdom?
They are elder brothers. By the

818
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.599
way, when my dad was first
taken by these beings, he always told

819
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:47.519
me that they gave him the sense
or the impression that they were like family,

820
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.320
like his brothers. And then they
walked him out towards where the lady

821
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:54.679
was. He said that they gave
him the sense that they were his brothers,

822
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:59.000
like his spiritual brothers. Um,
there are elder brothers. They have

823
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.480
gone ahead of us, having finished
the evolutionary journey on which we are still

824
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.360
engaged, have taken upon themselves the
responsibility of overseeing our evolution. They teach

825
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:12.840
the correct way. The correct way
is the way of selflessness, lack of

826
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.679
ego. This is the hard way. It's slow because we are all so

827
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:22.039
egotistical. One of them everybody knows. The Master Jesus and Palestine was a

828
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.679
very advanced disciple, a fourth degree
initiate, just short of a master.

829
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:30.480
He took the fourth initiation, the
crucifixion openly on the outer plane. Normally

830
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.480
you're not expected to die on a
cross when you take the fourth initiation.

831
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:37.360
He did that to symbolize for us
dramatically that great experience of renunciation. He

832
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.440
is now a master, becoming a
master in his immediate next life as a

833
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:45.440
polyanis of Tayana. That's a real
historical figure who was involved, like Christian

834
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:50.159
writings, who opened an ashram in
North India where he is buried. From

835
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.159
that fact has come the legend that
somehow Jesus didn't die on the cross,

836
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:58.599
that he was secreted out of Palestine, secreted and not secreted, secreted out

837
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:01.239
of Palestine and went to India and
is buried there. It was this being

838
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:06.400
who was Jesus. But in his
next incarnation as a Polyanist, Jesus is

839
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:13.079
now a very advinced master the Christ. The Orthodox view is that he is

840
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.119
the one and only Son of God. Actually, there's no such person.

841
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:20.000
There's never been, and there never
will be such a person. Every single

842
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.119
man, woman, and child in
the world is a son or a daughter

843
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.599
of God, and every one of
us has in potential that divinity. There's

844
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:29.800
only one divinity, and we all
share it. The only difference between the

845
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.159
Christ and ourselves, the Buddha and
Christna or end ourselves or excuse me,

846
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:38.239
the Buddha or Christna end ourselves is
that they have manifested their divinity. They

847
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.840
know that they are sons of God
and they demonstrate it. We do not

848
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.320
know that we are sons of God. We are taught otherwise by the Church.

849
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:52.000
We are taught that we are born
in sin and only in the agency

850
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.599
of Jesus can we know God.
This is wrong. They're forcing us into

851
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:59.960
idol worship. Yep. They're forcing
us into pay and practices of putting.

852
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:05.159
This is just me speaking. They're
forcing us into depicting Jesus as being cut

853
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.199
up and sliced and fucking diced and
bleeding out on a cross. And we're

854
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:13.559
supposed to worship this icon of our
God dying and it's sick and in the

855
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:16.119
same book. It says take no
idols. Yeah, like Jesus said that

856
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:21.719
the guy that they're idolized the dude. Yeah, it's sick. It's just

857
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:27.360
it's honestly black magic. Absolutely,
it's sick. It really is. And

858
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.320
like I don't I don't want to
get too deep conspiracy here, but like

859
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:37.519
if if, if there was some
dark force out there the Vatican or I

860
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:43.920
mean a spiritual force and energetic,
a dark energetic. That's the next section.

861
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:50.199
That's a pretty efficient tool at getting
people to look away from the truth.

862
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.119
Yeah, think about it, man, like the tithes and offerings.

863
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:57.760
You know, it's crazy, man, I've all sometimes I think, like,

864
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.960
apparently I'm wrong. According to theosophy. They have their own explanation of

865
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.760
the Antichrist, which I think is
brilliant. I want to hear that it's

866
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.280
next, it's next. But one
time I was thinking, like, you

867
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.360
know, when you really think about
it, Look, it's no secret almost

868
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:15.400
one hundred episodes in like how much
I revere the life in the story of

869
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.480
Jesus, I'm not. I'm not
like, I'm not like Anti. You

870
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.159
know, you gotta hit him with
the quote, come on, he's the

871
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:24.519
most bad to the bone stage of
all time. I'm not I'm not like

872
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:30.320
say the line and he's jacked and
you know, Nati lines and you know

873
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:34.039
all that, Like I'm not I'm
not like I just want to be very

874
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:38.800
clear, like I'm not like anti
Jesus. I'm not anti Christians. I'm

875
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:46.639
anti corporate establishment like overlord tyrannical Christianity
that says you're going to burn in hell

876
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.159
flame forever if you like think a
little different, you know, or whatever,

877
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:58.760
whatever, whatever. But sometimes I
wonder if that Christian system in place,

878
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:00.639
which is like the domin the paradigm
of the world for so many more

879
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:07.239
years, Like what if that was
truly the Antichrist? Dude, I that's

880
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.039
kind of what I was getting at. I didn't want to offend, you

881
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:15.840
know. I was like, that
might that might make people a little uncomfortable,

882
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.280
but you know, it is an
interesting thought to kick around. That's

883
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.360
kind of what I meant by like, that's a that's a powerful tool,

884
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.960
you know what I'm saying. It's
like the Bible talks about the anti Christ

885
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:31.639
and Satan and these dark forces distracting
from the truth and all this stuff.

886
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:37.840
It's like, all right, let's
follow that thread. If if at one

887
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:39.840
point it talks about Lucifer. I
mean, he was in the highest order

888
01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:45.599
of angels, right, He's extremely
powerful, extremely intelligent and all this stuff.

889
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:51.400
You think that he would if if
he, you know, devoted his

890
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:55.679
existence to defying you know, God
or Jesus or whatever. You think he's

891
01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.760
just gonna like get cast down and
then just like chill and be in hell

892
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.440
and like, oh, I guess
that's it, that's it whatever, Or

893
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:12.480
is he going to be like real
tricky about it, real tricky, you

894
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.639
know? And and I don't.
That's that's dangerous waters. I don't believe

895
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:20.159
that. I don't. It's interesting
to think about, that's all. I'm

896
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:25.239
not telling you that the Bible is
evil. I'm not telling you that Christianity

897
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:30.639
is evil. Yeah, it's not. I'm not. It's it's natural that

898
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.480
every system that takes place on this
earth has a hierarchical, hierarchical power structure

899
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:42.880
that is almost certainly always corrupt at
the top, for sure, in every

900
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:45.960
in every field, even in education. Bro you see you you hear stories

901
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:49.920
of like superintendents doing shady shit over
schools, you know what I mean,

902
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:55.800
or governors or or or your local
mayor doing shady shit. Every system is

903
01:04:55.800 --> 01:05:00.559
corrupt. Why is why is?
Why are the religious systems? They're not

904
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.719
not us. It's it's pure true
gospel exactly. It's like, listen,

905
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:11.920
there are some incredible, beautiful,
profound things about the life of Jesus and

906
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:15.800
the Bible. All I implore the
listener is like, focus on those things.

907
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:19.880
Focus on those beautiful, incredible things. Don't focus on like hell and

908
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:24.960
burning forever and Satan and all this
like whatever. Just focus on the good.

909
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:29.079
Focus on the good. Amen,
Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen.

910
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:31.599
By the way, where that comes
mom? Raw yep ye. So

911
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:35.599
I've got two more, actually three
more sections here, but they're nowhere near

912
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:39.440
as long, at least some of
them. The Antichrist, it's it's just

913
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.199
to make it very simple. There's
more information on this, but I didn't

914
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:47.800
want to. The Antichrist is mister
Beast. We know that we don't actual

915
01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:51.639
conspiracy. Mister Beast is the anti
Christ, and I find it so funny.

916
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:57.840
It's it's funny, it's so funny, but I'm dying the theosophy.

917
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:00.480
The Antichrist is not a man,
if it ever was a man. They

918
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:06.119
say it's Emperor Nero. It already. It's an energy that incarnated in the

919
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:10.159
form of Emperor Nero. And actually, what's funny about that, I learned

920
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.920
this in college when I was doing
religious studies, that the real mark of

921
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.000
the beast is not six to sixty
six, but it's six one six and

922
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:20.280
it's a jematria cipher for the name
Nero. And you have to understand,

923
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:27.079
the first gospel ever recorded mainstream gospel, there was a document called Q.

924
01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:30.559
It's a long, nerdy academic story. There was a document called Q that

925
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:32.840
came out many years before the other
gospels. They all were reading it and

926
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:36.719
pulled from it and published the gospels
with this information. The first gospel of

927
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:40.679
the Gospel of Mark was written in
the year sixty nine. Well, what

928
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:44.679
happened in seventy that's when the Romans
like came and destroyed the Temple. It

929
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:45.559
was like hell on earth. The
Jews thought it was the end of the

930
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:49.280
world. They were being slaughtered by
the Church. I mean, not the

931
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:53.280
church at the time, but you
know the Romans, right, So they

932
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.199
were writing a secret cipher about this
Antichrist being the emperor of the time,

933
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.320
Nero. Whoa That happened two thousand
years ago. Yeah, everybody's like,

934
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.920
there's a man, there's it's it's
this guy, it's that guy. Well,

935
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:04.960
la la la la laha. You
know what I mean, it's not

936
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:10.320
true now in modern times. According
to theosophy, in modern times, the

937
01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:14.920
Antichrist has already came and gone long
before we were even born, and it

938
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:18.199
was in the form of World War
One and World War Two. Whoa,

939
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:25.679
it's already gone. Whoa, it's
gone. Now is the time of Aquarius

940
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:31.480
for the christ energies to be returning
and guiding us towards enlightenment. That that

941
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:35.079
blew my mind, because I mean, can you think of a more evil,

942
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:40.320
disgusting time? And millions upon millions
of people were slaughtered in those two

943
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.360
wars. You want to hear it
crazy? They were only a few years

944
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.440
apart. Dude. You want here
a crazy fact. You know when the

945
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:47.800
airplane was invented, uh, nineteen
twelve, nineteen, well it was.

946
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:51.639
It was invented in oh three,
it was like right right, nineteen,

947
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:58.159
commercialized in eleven or twelve. You
know when we dropped a bomb out of

948
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:03.119
a plane when nineteen forty five,
less than fifty years after we made the

949
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:08.840
plane. Yeah, that's insane.
That's disgusting. Weren't they using them in

950
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.119
World War One for guns on him? Or? Am I wrong on that?

951
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:15.239
Where they're not? There were?
There were, like I'm talking about

952
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:19.479
like us mass death. Yeah,
within fifty years, in an instant,

953
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:23.880
hundreds of thousands of lives disappearance.
So you want to talk about human progress

954
01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:29.159
like progress, that's your progress.
That's progress. The powers that bees progress,

955
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:30.600
That's what I'm saying. Like that. If you you want to buy

956
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:36.920
physical progress versus spiritual that's what physical
process progress gets us. It's it's mind

957
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:40.520
body Anyway, I'm sorry. I
have two more sections here and then we'll

958
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:45.079
give them a break. But Origin
of Man, early animal man, not

959
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.039
quite truly human but no longer simply
animal, had reached a certain point in

960
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:53.880
its evolution with a strong, coordinated
feeling body and at minimal a sentient or

961
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:58.399
feeling astral body and the germ of
a mind, an incipient mind that would

962
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.119
later form the nucleus of a mental
body. When that point was reached eighteen

963
01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:03.840
and a half million years ago,
the human soul is waiting on the soul

964
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:08.880
plane for just this moment in evolution, incarnated for the first time in these

965
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:13.439
animal men. That is the fall
from paradise of Adam and Eve. It

966
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:15.359
was a metaphor. The whole thing
is a metaphor. It was not a

967
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:19.119
fall from grace, but it was
a deliberate part of the plane of evolution

968
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:25.399
that the human souls had to give
up paradise living in palaya. It's an

969
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:31.600
Eastern term, a wonderful paradi wonderful
paradiet, that's hard to say, paradisaical,

970
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:38.840
paradisaical, paradisaical state of endless bliss
and eat of the fruit of tree

971
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:42.840
of knowledge. It's in quotes.
Obviously, it's a metaphor, which is

972
01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:47.439
to take incarnation on the physical plane
in these as yet animal men. So

973
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.680
all the all, the garden of
ed and all that is a metaphor.

974
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:57.359
It's not it's not literal. Right, This is what happened that has been

975
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.720
misinterpreted as a fall of grace,
That Lucifer was a great angel, but

976
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.279
he rebelled against God and thought he
was good as God, and so was

977
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:09.399
put out of heaven. It's a
story. It's only a story totally misinterpreted.

978
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:14.399
It is really a story of the
incarnation of the human evolution. Evolution

979
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.520
is sped up through meditation and service. These are the two levers of the

980
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:26.399
evolutionary process. Nothing moves you forward
faster than correct scientific meditation and powerful altruistic

981
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.800
service to the world. The soul
comes into incarnation in the first place to

982
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:35.920
serve the plan of evolution. It
is aware of the plan of the logos

983
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:40.720
of the planet, and it seeks
in every way to carry out that plan.

984
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:45.279
The major aspect of that plan is
the spiritualization of matter, which the

985
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:49.399
soul does by entering into incarnation.
So, like the basic premise here is

986
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:54.760
every incarnate soul, at the very
most remote, minute place, deep in

987
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:59.520
the psyche, in the subconscious mind, desperately is seeking to help serve creation

988
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.279
in the plan of evolution. But
most of us are so traumatized by our

989
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:08.039
waking lives and all this bullcrap from
this hellish material world that we chose to

990
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:12.399
come to. It takes so many
hundreds of thousands of lifetimes to think about

991
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.680
nosis that that light flicks on.
Take that first initiation, you know the

992
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.000
truth. Oh my god, I've
just been reincarnating the whole time. That's

993
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.560
the truth. Or as they said
in the Lighthouse, remember the light and

994
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:29.920
it's like Prometheus brought this light and
then was punished. It is all a

995
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.479
metaphor. But so then this is
the last part, and I saved this

996
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.479
for last. It's towards the end
of the book, but I saved it

997
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.720
for last anyway, because I figured, if you got to this point in

998
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:43.560
the episode, you're probably really interested. And this is the most controversial part.

999
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:48.239
And I do think that it's important, as you know, beings who

1000
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:55.159
potentially are seeking enlightenment to understand that
you can listen to, or entertain or

1001
01:11:55.159 --> 01:12:00.960
rematerial from a point of detachment,
which means you're controlling your emotional react hearing

1002
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:04.359
information, you know, and you're
not letting it control You're you're not letting

1003
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:08.720
it you know, while you up, you're not letting it freak you the

1004
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:12.119
fuck out because you're in control.
You know, you're on the path to

1005
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:16.359
become a master. But Lucifer is
a large part of Theosopher from a metaphorical

1006
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:21.000
perspective, And this is the reason
that I spent so long waiting to dive

1007
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.960
into theosophy, because I was like, I don't want to deal with that.

1008
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:27.279
I don't I don't know what to
think of that like that, and

1009
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:31.720
people are so touchy about like the
name and you know whatever. But we're

1010
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.920
coming from the at this from a
perspective of like this, I'm just trying

1011
01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:41.079
to find answers exactly like you said, detached, and they make it very

1012
01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:45.800
clear that this is not some form
of worship. This is not an entity

1013
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:48.079
they make I mean not that it's
not an entity, but it's not like

1014
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:53.520
a god that is worshiped. When
I first ever heard of theosophy, the

1015
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:58.800
lens in which I understood it to
be was it was like Luciferian devil worship.

1016
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.000
And it's because this kind of conversation
is in it. But then when

1017
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:05.720
you listen to what it's saying,
it's like not that way at all.

1018
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:10.159
So I'll just read this part from
the book. But in popular culture,

1019
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:15.319
and certainly to a degree in religions, the Antichrist, Satan and Lucifer are

1020
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:18.319
personified. It makes for great drama, of course, But what is the

1021
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:23.640
esoteric view of Satan or Lucifer.
Satan is what we call the Antichrist the

1022
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:28.960
forces of material at the forces of
materiality, there's not an actual devil or

1023
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:33.199
the picture. It's not a being. There's not one singular entity actually truthfully

1024
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:39.039
powerful enough to have control over the
entire collective consciousness of all of us,

1025
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:43.680
wonderful light being. It's a joke. That's that's created to ensnare us and

1026
01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:47.399
keep us in fear. It's an
energy, it's it's it's the energy that

1027
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:53.199
is trying to hinder our evolutionary progress
towards light or towards you know, God,

1028
01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:59.640
like the chirons from Greek mythology,
Yeah, from Gnasticism. They're trying

1029
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:03.000
to keep keep our souls here.
It's trying to trap you and like,

1030
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:09.560
don't don't look towards the light exactly. Satan is what we call the Antichrist,

1031
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:13.560
the forces of materiality. These have
the role of upholding the matter of

1032
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.680
the planet. Lucifer is seen by
the Christian groups as the devil. It's

1033
01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:21.520
nothing of the kind. Lucifer is
really the name of the great Angel who

1034
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:30.279
in souls the human kingdom. Every
human soul is an individualized part of one

1035
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.640
great over soul. Yeah, yeah, we talked about that all the time.

1036
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:40.279
We're all pieces of one thing.
But what this is saying the name

1037
01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:45.760
of that great over soul, which
is divine, is Lucifer. So what

1038
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:53.039
they're saying the metaphor or the story
of this being of light falling from perfect

1039
01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:59.760
spiritual reality into the material world.
Who is us? Whoa and think about

1040
01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:03.720
what the Bible says, Like the
Bible says that like Satan or Lucifer is

1041
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:09.279
the king of the earth, he's
like this is his kingdom. It's us

1042
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:15.439
as wild. So who is the
devil? There is no individual devil.

1043
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.319
You could say that the opposite of
good is the devil, and that is

1044
01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:23.000
also inside every one of us,
the greed, the selfishness, the greedy

1045
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:27.279
personality expression of individuals. But in
esoteric terms, deeply profoundly, the devil

1046
01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:30.359
or the forces of evil or the
forces of materiality have a role of looking

1047
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:33.279
after the fires of the planet.
The planet is a living, breathing entity,

1048
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:38.600
which is what the lady told my
dad. These fires are controlled scientifically,

1049
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:41.760
otherwise they would explode and the planet
would be destroyed. The whole thing

1050
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.520
works under law. The lords of
materiality, having the role of upholding the

1051
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:49.319
matter of the planet, work with
the subhuman evolution or the subhuman devic evolution,

1052
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:54.920
which is like a spiritual kind of
entity. The elementals on the involutionary

1053
01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:57.680
arc to carry out that work.
They are not content with that, but

1054
01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:01.520
overflow onto the evolutionary arc, and
that is the evil comes in. We

1055
01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:05.560
are esoterically speaking, or for those
who have eyes to see an ears to

1056
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:12.079
hear, if you understand that the
truth is a metaphor, we are esoterically

1057
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:17.520
Lucifer, rebelling against our perfect spiritual
nature before we incarnated here, damn,

1058
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:25.920
falling into matter, being imprisoned here. But we are also equally and remember

1059
01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:30.640
everything is duality. Yeah, we
are also Christ right right, and that

1060
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:34.720
is the way that we evolve back
towards God. So it's like we were

1061
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:42.199
punished, you know, hypothetically speaking, but they're clear that it's all a

1062
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.079
metaphor and it's not real. Well, and you're you're literally describing, I

1063
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:53.279
mean what that says right there in
no way like glorifies Lucifer or like any

1064
01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:57.159
of that. It's still the core
message. Just still be like Christ.

1065
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:00.319
It's not it's not like, yeah, that's funny that you thought it was

1066
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:04.479
like Luciferian worship like years ago when
I first heard about it, right,

1067
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:09.439
right, it's And it doesn't help
that in the eighteen hundreds, when Helena

1068
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:13.479
Blovotsky published her first magazine. She
called it Lucifer. Why did she do

1069
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:15.359
that? She was shocking people?
Yeah, and like that's what I was

1070
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:19.359
saying, Like I don't, I
don't necessarily think she got a lot of

1071
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:21.279
pushback, and it's like I hate
to say it, honey, but you

1072
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:25.680
had to come in and you know
it's funny now. But like, yeah,

1073
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:28.520
I like the later material because it's
a lot more direct, like this

1074
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.359
is what we're actually about. Yeah, you know, this is what we're

1075
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:34.880
about people, And um, it's
it's fascinating, really deep stuff, and

1076
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:40.239
um, I mean yeah, the
core message is still just like be like

1077
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:44.319
Christ. Still you're you're still moving
towards the good. You're still like there's

1078
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.680
there's nothing in there that you just
read that suggests that it's like, well

1079
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:54.079
you're Lucifer, so just be Lucifer
and be you know, materialistic and bad.

1080
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:58.319
And no, it's still like that's
that's the distraction. This is the

1081
01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:01.560
distraction. Yeah, it's literally like
away from half to take control over your

1082
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:09.359
different It basically is talking about in
the deeper levels of information like initiation,

1083
01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.800
human and soul are very fascinating,
both very high level. Um. I

1084
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.359
had to put it down because I
was like, I gotta read through this

1085
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:18.399
other stuff first before it, and
um, it's it's it's talks about like

1086
01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:28.880
the level of consciousness that you are
seeking to manifest on all planes of reality.

1087
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:31.479
Think about this, everything everywhere,
all at once. Dud dude.

1088
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:35.840
She's she's she's becoming a master in
every of her known universes. It's like

1089
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:40.560
theosophy when you think about it.
But how is she becoming a master through

1090
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:45.720
through altruism? Being kind of joy? Learns that from her husband, who

1091
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:47.279
is like, this is how I
fight. He's like, yeah, you

1092
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:50.640
fight your way. I fight by
being kind And she learned that from him,

1093
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:55.920
and that's when she finally ascends.
Right, Ah, so cool,

1094
01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:59.760
It is so cool. Yeah.
I mean the core message is still like,

1095
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.159
no, don't be like Lucifer.
Yeah, don't be like that.

1096
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:05.159
Don't be like that. Don't you
were like that. That's why you're here?

1097
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:10.760
Oh wow, bro. Yeah.
Like the fact that that could be

1098
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:15.960
so misconstrued, it's just because it's
a hot button word that people get freaked

1099
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.079
out about or whatever. It's still
saying don't be like that. That's why

1100
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:20.800
I was saying, Like, you're
seeking to become a master, control your

1101
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:27.319
emotions and when of information is being
presented to you. Understand that only you

1102
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:30.079
are in control of yourself and how
you react, you know what I mean.

1103
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:33.159
Just because you say a word doesn't
mean that, Oh my, that's

1104
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.399
ober, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, it

1105
01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:41.279
is what it is. That's It's
just a beautiful message. It's just another

1106
01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:45.079
metaphor of how we can be better. Yeah, move away from the Lucifer,

1107
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:50.399
move towards the Christ. That's it. And I'm like pretty open about

1108
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:57.800
the fact that I don't think truthfully
people should worship anything or anyone, right.

1109
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.560
You know. It's like if you
were to work ship anything, worship

1110
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.800
the force of love, you know
what I mean, embody love and like

1111
01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:12.239
shine that into other beings like that. At all you really need to know

1112
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:15.399
is that, yes, God is
real, but like you are. You

1113
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.800
know, if if you thought of
understand this, any speck of light that

1114
01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:23.439
you see with the human eye,
that's sixty photons minimum. Sixty photons is

1115
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:28.279
the minimum requirement for you to be
able to observe physical light. So think

1116
01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:30.960
about that. Okay, wow,
that's sixty photons. All sixty of those

1117
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:38.000
minute imperceptible particles of light are bonding
together so that we can observe even a

1118
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:42.720
tiny speck of light that's our soul
to God. We are all those tiny

1119
01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:46.399
little photons, but God is all
of the light collected. Come on,

1120
01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:53.520
that's that's that's how it works.
We we are all like we're the lens

1121
01:20:53.520 --> 01:21:00.760
in which quote unquote, God sees
reality through or sees experiences men infested reality.

1122
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:02.960
Wow, dude, I want to
read this book. Um, you

1123
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:05.159
get it for ninety nine cents on
Kindle. Oh, I'll do that.

1124
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:09.800
You can also find it free online
and it's not long. I might try

1125
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:12.680
to find a used copy somewhere.
Oh yeah, I like, yeah,

1126
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:15.359
yeah, yeah, but um,
that's that's all I got. So damn

1127
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:21.640
bro, my gears were spinning this
whole episode that that was thought provoking.

1128
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:27.399
Yeah it's a good read too.
Damn that was like super inspired and there's

1129
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:30.000
way dude. Okay, one last
thing, okay, truly, one last

1130
01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:33.079
thing. And I told you about
this last week on Xbox and you were

1131
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:38.640
like, what the fuck? But
that they have a really crazy, kind

1132
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:42.239
of far out there view. I
haven't fully accepted this because, like,

1133
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.560
again, I resonate with most of
this material, but I believe, like

1134
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:51.359
you have the right to be detached
when studying things and allow yourself to you

1135
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:55.600
know, process things. You don't
have to necessarily accept things, right,

1136
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:58.039
Like, even in twenty twelve and
my dad told me about the lady,

1137
01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:00.680
it took me years to truly understand. I've not seen her, you know

1138
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.359
what I mean, right, I've
only ever talked about her with my dad

1139
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:09.359
anyway, took me years to understand
and accept that I believed he was telling

1140
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:13.720
me the truth took me years to
accept. So this is something that I

1141
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:17.680
have yet to accept. But it's
so fascinating. So the Theosophists claim that

1142
01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:24.920
as in the Western world and in
the Eastern world are two very different Basically,

1143
01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:27.439
they're like two different realities, bro
Like, when you think about it,

1144
01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.399
they are. We're like, we're
like two different worlds on one plane,

1145
01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:36.640
yea. And in the East,
that office that reflects the pinnacle of

1146
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:41.600
God's reflection through mankind is the Buddha, right, and then in the West

1147
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:45.479
that's the Christ. But the Theosophists
go to say that in the great New

1148
01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.039
Age that's coming, there's going to
be a new office that returns called the

1149
01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:57.039
Matreya, that is an incarnate soul
that has the incarnation of the wisdom of

1150
01:22:57.159 --> 01:23:00.640
Buddha and the love of Christ,
or rather, Boodh is the wisdom of

1151
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:04.560
God and Christ is the love of
God. They are claiming that the Matreya

1152
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:09.720
is a being that will incarnate,
that will have both energies present, and

1153
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:14.479
one who will unite the whole world
into a new knowledge. That's so cool.

1154
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:16.199
So it's the first I'm ever hearing
this like a week or two,

1155
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:19.279
you know what I mean. I
mean, I've heard it like I've someone

1156
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:21.359
mentioned that to me before a long
time ago, and I was like,

1157
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:28.640
bullshit, it's deep, dude.
So they, the Theosophists, really do

1158
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:31.439
believe in the second Coming of Christ, like literally like a human incarnation,

1159
01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:35.159
and they believe he already came in
the nineteen seventies as a guy named,

1160
01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:42.359
um, let me think of his
name, Christia Murdy. They believe he

1161
01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:46.319
already came. What I gotta look, okay, I have to look into

1162
01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:49.359
that person. Yeah, Christna Murdy. It was a real person. You

1163
01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:53.439
can look him up at if we
could look it up after. But he's

1164
01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:56.279
a real person that I think.
He was born in India and he while

1165
01:23:56.359 --> 01:24:00.640
he went around the world like but
like press conferences, like teaching, like

1166
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.520
theosophical shit, am I saying I
believe this man is Christ? No?

1167
01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:09.920
But right, they claim it.
Yeah, it's super interesting, crazy,

1168
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:15.279
that's awesome, that's so cool.
Deep, that's super deep. That's all

1169
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.279
I got, all right. I
hope you guys enjoyed the episode. That

1170
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:21.279
was amazing. Great job, Ryan, that was sick. Uh love you

1171
01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:29.119
guys, Love you guys. Bye, y'all, guys. Weird things happened

1172
01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:42.520
in the backyard what so house?
Yeah, yeah, so weird. Kind

1173
01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:54.680
of closer too, like spirraling on
the inside of it. No one knows.

1174
01:24:54.760 --> 01:25:19.239
Man, wo it's come for I
never time. Shine ain't happy.