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Made a decision. I'll face sunny
sad on I had a vision nighty to

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me. Hey, everybody, we
have a very special Thursday show planned.

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We have a great guest on our
zoom. And by the way, right

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before we started the show, Stephanie
said that she Jonathan Brook is ORESTI the

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singer songwriter, the great Jonathan Brook
is in on our zoom. And right

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before we started the show, Stephanie
said, she is my Bruce Springsteen because

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I'm a huge Pruce Springsteen fan.
She's like, you have no idea,

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like she I love Jonathan Brook And
so Stephanie, why don't you? Yeah?

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So Hi Jonatha, Hi Stephanie Islandette, Hi, thank you so much

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for joining us today. We're very
sided pleasure. I'm very excited myself.

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So we you don't know this,
but we go way back to the Story

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days. So Jonathan was part of
a duo called The Story way back in

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the very late eighties. Would you
say, is that when you guys got

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together. Oh yeah, I mean
our first record came out in ninety one

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was Grace and Gravity. So yeah, we were like Putson around Boston in

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the very late eighties. Yea,
So probably around Angel in the house.

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That was the second your second release
with the story. I became very obsessed.

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So I'm in the like, you
know, certain songs catch you.

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I don't know, your music really
spoke to me, still does, and

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your voice really spoke to me.
And then so you started in Massachusetts,

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yep, and from Boston, grew
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and actually met my partner in the
story, Jennifer, at Amherst College,

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and after school we ended up moving
back to Boston and uh, you know,

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playing pretty much every church basement in
Bosman in Boston because it was such

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it was a very folky singer songwritery
kind of scene and a great place to

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sort of get your feet under you. But we were both doing other things.

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She was a graphic designer and I
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and a cleaning lady, and it
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together. And then we got this
record deal, and that that was sort

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of the impetus to drop the other
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how did you get the record deal? I mean, you're just you're playing.

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You know, you're good, but
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a big dancer, so how did
you how did that? How did you

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balance that? And decided I was
thinking I was gosh. I danced in

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so many different companies in Boston,
but one of them we performed this USO

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benefit concert one night at the Roxy, and I I was wearing not that

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much stuff. It was like a
flapper number. So I was wearing this

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little short satin dress with fishnets and
high heels and a flapper you know,

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skull cap thingy and night. But
I always had cassette already. I was

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at demo tapes with me wherever I
went, so like ran into this record

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producer guy who ended up working with
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was like one of the record producers
of all time anyway. So I hand

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this guy Angelo a cassette in my
flapper dress and he ends up working with

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Tommy and listens, actually listens to
it, and gives it to Tommy la

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Puma. And that's how the record
deal happened. And that's how we ended

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up doing Angel in the House and
then Electra rereleased our first Grace and Gravity

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record after we signed. So were
you really excited? I was pretty stoked,

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although my husband at the time a
La Mala, who produced my first

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four records. Basically he I didn't
I didn't know how important Tommy was at

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that point, and almost you know, collapsed And when we got the phone

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call, he's like, do you
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Tommy who and he's like, no, this is like, this is

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the big leagues. So wow.
Then I then I started listening to everything

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that Tommy had produced and it was
pretty ridiculous. So did you have like

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you must have had a big,
like pr team behind it? I mean

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did how did they get it out? Like? How did I hear about

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it? Yeah? It's changed so
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It's Yeah, I don't even know
what I would do if I were

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just beginning, it would just be
overwhelming and too depressing. At the time,

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we I had written this song called
so Much Mine, and it was

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the beginning of what we what was
called Triple A Radio. I think it's

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still is called Triple A Radio,
but it's become more of like a it's

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a little more edgy, rocky,
independent whatever now. But back in the

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time, it was pretty a collect
dick and there were a lot of singer

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songwriter types that got airplay on those
stations and so much. Mine became a

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top five song on that radio format. And that's how we that's how you

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heard of me, probably because well
there's a big station I think in la

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Ksca. Do you know that?
Also, what's k c r W.

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I don't know if they were around
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were. We were. Yeah,
that song got a lot of airplay,

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So that ka is where I discovered. I mean, so many people,

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Jan Jan Arden and Paula Cole and
you got a lot of play on there.

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Mim Chen was the one of the
DJs there. But I remember,

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I remember constantly because it was in
those days, having a paper and pencil

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with me in the car and then
like hearing like oh that was so and

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then writing it down and then because
then you'd have to go to the record

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store and buy the CD or the
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could go to like Tower Records,
and you you'd ask the dude or the

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dudet behind the counter like, hey, what are you listening to? And

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they'd be like, oh, you
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too. Oh yeah, I had
my one of my good friends worked at

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Tower Records, and I would go
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working. She would have all the
info on all the the up and coming

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artists that were coming out that you
never heard of. And now, yeah,

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I remember going to see the movie
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loving the Lisa Lobes song you know
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there wasn't Google though, so you
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who it was. And I didn't
know who it was. And I remember

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going to Tower Records and trying to
sing it to the person when you do

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that, and they were like,
no, no idea. So it took

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a while. It had to just
be in my brain for too long before

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before I finally because the soundtrack wasn't
out yet, ye right, and you

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wouldn't you wouldn't even have known,
like you know the girl with the glasses

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right now, didn't to say that
yet, didn't know anything. So eventually

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it came out and I was like, oh, it's Lisa Lope and nine

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Stories. Yes, okay, so
you have these albums with the with the

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story a couple of and then and
then you, like a year later,

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you go out on your own.
Yeah, that happened. Was that it

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was. It was a weird it
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was to be expected. It was
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work arrangement. And we were Jennifer
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and I was sort of this driven, compulsive, like bossy, uh,

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obsessive person, and she was laid
a lower key and didn't you know,

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didn't really enjoy the road that much. And I was like, come on,

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give me some more. I want
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let go go to Europe, Let's
do all the things. And so,

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you know, it ran its course. And then I went solo,

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which was terrifying because you know,
our identity had been this duo and this

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beautiful way we had of singing together
and these intricate harmonies and crossing and weaving

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voices and so it was a scary
time. But the next record did really

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great, and then the one after
that did really great. Plum was the

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next one. Plum was an expert, and Plum had some of my favorite

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songs. I made sure to write
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But inconsolable West Point. Uh no
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mean these are songs that I have
played just on repeat, over and over

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and over. I've dragged my husband
to come see you. It's not really

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this type of music, but he
gets it. He see I mean,

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I've been to see so. I
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at Largo played playing there. Did
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I did. I moved to LA
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in two thousand and two, so
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So I think I went to every
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time early date with my husband and
now we've been married twenty years. I

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was he was meeting me there and
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if you went to Largo, you
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had to go early and get dinner. So I remember it was like we

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had a huge fight about it because
he was really late, and I just

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kept I don't know did we have
so I guess we had cell phones and

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I was calling him and he was
like, I'm leaving right now, and

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I'm like, you can't leave at
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be here in LA traffic, like, are you kidding me? So I

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sat by myself, but I was
that's fine, I'll beat by myself.

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But then ten Cent Wings came out. Yeah, and then uh, my

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favorite song because I Told You So, which was on that album, and

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I feel and I just want you
to tell me if I'm if I'm right

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that you played that song for the
first time ever at Largo, because I

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feel like you said, I,
this is the first time I'm ever playing

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this song and I was like,
yeah, I'm sure that was it because

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ten Cent Wings wasn't even out yet. On some of those earlier Largo gigs,

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I was looking for a label for
that record. Yeah, so tell

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us about that. Okay, so
you got I want to hear about you

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getting dropped by your Yeah, do
you want to take a break healing?

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Okay, we're going to take a
quick break, and then I need to

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hear this story. Okay, we're
back. So you're out, you're touring,

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things are going really well. And
then yeah, well there's I think

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every artist that I respect has will
tell a similar story. When you're the

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timing just doesn't work out with a
major label, and there's some sort of

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regime change at the top, and
so the person that championed you and understood

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you and signed you and whatever gets
axed. And then the person coming in

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is like, who, who the
fucking who this Jonathan Brook? I don't

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know him. It's just kind of
par for the course. So I was

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in the middle of this tour behind
ten cent Wings, my one of my

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well they're all beloved, they're like
children, but ten cent Wings just feels

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like this epic work to me.
And I was in the middle of this

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national tour and Secrets and Lies,
the first single was charting it again Triple

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A Radio, and this weird contractual
thing came up, and again the person

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who had championed me was gone now
and a new person came in, and

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they didn't really get me, and
they're like, oh, well, her

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contract, you know, is up
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So even though the song was charting
and I was on the road and I

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was working my butt off, they
were just like, man, not really,

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I don't really hear a single,
so bye bye. And they we

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negotiated a little bit, like it
was we in good faith. We're like,

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well, wait a minute, like
we're actually doing really great. Just

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give us a little more time on
the road, and let's see how this

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song does it radio, And why
don't we extend your you know, you

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don't have to sign this contract extension
right now, give me six more months

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to like, let's see how this
goes. And they just they never called

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back. They never we never heard
from them again. They didn't negotiate at

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all. And the following this was
like a Friday, and then the following

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Monday, they actually told radio to
stop playing the song. Oh but I

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didn't. I no longer existed.
Was this in the in like the early

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two thousands or like when kind of
Napster was coming around and things? This

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is right before that. This is
like ninety seven, ninety eight. Wow,

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I mean you must have just been, yeah, devastated. And they

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told them to stop playing the song. Oh yeah, Like it was like

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literally on the desks of those programming
directors the next week, like stopped playing

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her because we're gonna, we're going
we're getting behind this other I forget who

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it was at the time. Wow, Paul Cole, So would you do

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though, because obviously that didn't.
This is where I just think this is

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really like for me, I didn't
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just going to see you wherever you
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have been I mean, I understand
the feeling of like losing that support and

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weren't you about to make a video? Oh yeah, there was all sorts

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of stuff sort of in the works. But I think what what sort of

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I guess got me through what could
have been a really dark and long depression.

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I actually, my husband Pat had
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all of the other artists that we
knew that had gone through the same thing,

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so that I wouldn't quite feel so
lonely. So Michelle and Digiachello came

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over, and Wendy and Lisa from
Prince's Old Bands dinner party. So again

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they got dropped too. Oh yeah, everyone, everyone I know has been

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dropped at least once or twice by
a major label. So yeah, they'd

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all been dropped and misunderstood and sort
of. So we threw this party,

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and Pat's a great cook, and
we drank a lot of wine and kind

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of were like, well, okay, well, I guess it's not so

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bad. We were in good company
and my fans, like you just said,

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don't necessarily care who where the record
came from, or whether I have

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a label or not, or you
might not even ever know that. It's

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just like, as long as they're
gigs and there's this sort of a stream

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of work coming through, nothing really
has changed. I just have to figure

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out how to do it myself.
So that was the next task, and

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we made a little live record of
those shows that I was finishing, those

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that tour that I was in the
middle of, and we put the live

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record out as a kind of testing
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be independent. And then Bad Dog
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I've been it's been Mom and Pop
ever since. She's hustler. Look for

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you. Yeah, that's so you
just had you just bet on yourself and

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decided you were going to just take
it on on your own, and just

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we did. We figured like,
well, why let these sorry old white

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men ruin my life again and again
and again. They didn't know any better

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than I didn't necessarily At that point, I had relationships with a lot of

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the DJs at radio stations, and
I was credible. I had a really

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great track record, I had a
great audience, and I figured like,

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all right, well great, they
helped me get to this level, so

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I do have this sort of groundwork
now, I'll I can take it from

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here, and I think I can
probably do a better job than you.

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Yeah. Absolutely, And other artists
were doing the same thing at that time,

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right, like yeah, I mean
we were, we were early days.

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Annie DeFranco of course, was the
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like indie from the from the get
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early bird next wave. Amy Man
did it. I think Michael Fronti did

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it. Actually, at one point
we were talking about we should do like

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a United artist thing. We should
be me and Amy Man and Michael Fronti.

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That would be such a cool thing. But your own label, Yeah,

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to like to team up like one
on one on one could equal ten,

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you know if we if we pulled
resources, but it's very hard to

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get artists ducks or something, I
don't know, right, So you were

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just saying we my second my big
studio record as an independent artist was Steady

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Pull and that we we killed it
with that one. We again really well,

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five song and we did great.
So So how did you do that?

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So that one was just you using
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and asking them to play you pretty
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Pat. Wow. Yeah, it's
so admirable. So he was your manager,

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was my manager, and then when
you met him, he was your

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manager. Say again, when you
met him, he was your manager,

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and then you guys fell in love. Yeah. Actually, Tommy Lapuma,

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that that guy that first signed me, introduced us way back in the early

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days, and then we started working
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the tail end of Angel in the
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And then about four years later we
kind of like the polar the polar whatever

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those things that magnets do when they
repel one another. Yeah, they it

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just switched polarity and we were like
inseparable and it's been that way ever since.

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That was ninety seven. That is
so cute. That's it's it's weird.

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I mean, neither of us would
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I could see myself with him,
or I could see myself there. We

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were just it was a business relationship. It was very serious and you know,

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he's a great manager, but like
there was no funny business. And

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then it literally was like the magnets
being redirected, and he's still very business.

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He's still very all business. He
doesn't like he doesn't write back to

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emails and say, oh, yeah, we're married, i'mber manager. What

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are the details? Yes, she
would be interesting. I was like,

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yeah, I know who you are. It's just kind of funny, you

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know what. Okay, So,
like trivia, our first kiss was at

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Largo. You were probably there.
I probably was. I don't think I

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missed a show. What happened,
well, it was afterwards show and we

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were It had been an intense,
in tense week and I had been courting

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labels, trying to find a home
for ten cent wings and it was just

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a big nightmare. And after the
show he came upstairs and we think that

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it was me. We think that
I kissed him, but literally something happened

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in the air that night that that's
swapped everything. After a magical performance in

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front of Stephanie Wilder Taylor, Yeah, I was I maybe it was you,

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Stephanie, but like, were you
already thinking in that direction where you

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having a crush? Was he?
No? No, it literally it was

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just like wait, what just wait, what just happened? That is?

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And then we were both kind of
like, this is so weird. Like,

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but and then I think we kissed
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that's literally then we were inseparable.
Oh that's so nice. That's really cute.

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That's really weird. Did you write
any any of your songs about him?

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Oh, there's so many songs about
him, really, new drafts.

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It's kind of about him, new
drafts. Yep. Your House is a

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little bit about him and a little
bit about my mom at the same time,

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which sounds weird until you know the
story. There's a song called Too

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Much Happiness that's pretty much about Pat. There's a song called never Too Late

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for Love. And how does he
feel about the songs? He's so funny,

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he's he's like whatever, let her
do her things. Yeah, And

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like I was so excited about the
song too Much Happiness. I just thought,

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oh, what a sweet like oh
that he's like that, So it's

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okay. Does he have a favorite
song of yours? I think Because I

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Told you So is one of his
faves. I think you tell us.

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I've always wondered, like, was
that is? Did you write that about

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somebody or just about your feelings about
I don't know yet. That song really

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what's the song about it? At
the time it was about or it was

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it was being written, and I
was writing it around the time that my

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first marriage was ending. But it
was also the time when my ex husband

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and I were making ten cent Wings
together. So I was writing those songs.

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We were recording a lot of it
in our living room on a daths.

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It was you know, it's very
intense time, and I don't think

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either of us even had the bandwidth
to realize how how telling the songs were.

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You know, often i'll write something
that's very to me. It's sort

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of an intellectual thing, even though
it's emotional, and I maybe crying when

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I write it. I'm sure I
was crying when I wrote because I told

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you so about at the same time
I was crying because it was it felt

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like, oh, this is universal
everyone. I think everyone can relate to

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this. And there's this you know, turn of phrase that that make stip

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poignant. You know, it's not
like, you know, get in your

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room because I told you so.
It's not that it's like, can't you

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believe that I love you? But
just because I told you so, isn't

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that enough? But you know,
and so I feel that song from the

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other side from like being the insecure, being insecure and feeling like you can't

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tell me enough time, like I
just can't feel it. That's sad.

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I feel it from the point of
view of feeling like a broken cup.

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I don't now now that I've been
married for but I just remember feeling that

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so much at the time of just
like I was a new relationship. You

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know what I mean. My husband
is not super effusive and like he and

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that would be the kind of thing
he would say to me, like I'm

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telling you that I'm committed and I'm
into you? Like how many? How

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many different ways can I tell you
before you like believe me? Will you

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play that? Yeah? Oh yeah, this is exciting. If I give

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you the sky and if I le
down my life, wouldn't you be thee

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need them? If I promised to
change, and if I carried roun blame,

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wouldn't you bathe me them? Could
you see it? Pay me hanly

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one? I see? Can you
listen? I can remember that I love

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you only because I told you,
because I told you so give you told

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me you lied, but I stayed
to try. Would you really even if

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your beauty wors gone with my lovely
girl one. Would you really, Rea?

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Did you see him play me?
Handle one? I? She?

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Did you listen? I can remember? Let you you you la, because

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I tuned you because I told you
so. Do you take the wheel?

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But now too tired to drive this
one anyhow? No, yeah, mention

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my name and there's one thing remain
my love, believe me. No,

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whoo why I was amazing. I
might have kept it a little on that

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high note, but whatever, it
was so good, beautiful, Oh thank

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you. This was surreal. I
had to take a picture of it so

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I could send it to one of
your other super fans so I could brag,

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all right, we're gonna take another
quick break and we're back. Oh

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my gosh, that was unbelievable,
so beautiful. I it took me all

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the way back to sitting to Largo, and I'll never forget how when you

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said this is the first time,
and I was like, oh my god,

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this is gonna be a huge song. And in fact, Nick Lache

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covered it at some point, which
I never on principal listen to, and

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it makes me weirdly angry, irrationally
angry. Yeah that happens. I keep

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hoping that someone will cover it?
Who actually can can make it reach a

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bigger audience. I don't have the
you know, the wherewithal right now to

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sort of pay for marketing and managing, you know, like all the stuff

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that it takes to to really reach
further. And uh, you know,

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I keep thinking, like John Mayer
loves this song, like gee, he

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should cover it. Why John Mayer
should do the song? So he's on

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next week. So I want to
talk about a little break you took for

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a little bit to take care of
your mom a, and then you a

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beautiful album and show came out of
that, which I didn't get to see.

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I don't think it was in La
at a time. I don't think

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you did performance of it, did
you in La? I don't think so.

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No. I didn't really early terrifying
uh kind of reading of it,

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you know, among friends. Uh
so I you know, I sort of

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tried it, and I hired a
cello player out there, and I did

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a very early version of it at
Bob Clearmontain's studio just to you know,

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see if I could get through it
without dying. And it went really well,

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and so that sort of spurred on
the continuing development of it. So

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you just take us back because these
guys don't know, but tell us like

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what happened and how this came about. So it was early twenty ten.

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I had put out a record in
late two thousand and nine called The Works,

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which was this really cool project where
I got to go into the Woody

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Guthrie archives and choose from among his
poetry and his letters and his journals and

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basically take his lyrics and create new
songs with them. And I was able

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to cut and paste things that you
know, hadn't seen each other before and

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make this beautiful record. So I
was in the middle of this big tour

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record was getting some really beautiful press
because it was it's a gorgeous project.

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It's called The Works. And meanwhile, my mom was had Alzheimer's and was

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it was really getting a little crazy
and she needed full time care and there

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was no way I was not going
to be there for her. So in

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the middle of touring that record,
I just I went to Boston and I

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stayed with my mom. She was
in a sort of assisted not really assisted

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in living facility and was falling and
it was really it was a mess,

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and so I stayed with her there
for a couple of months, just observing,

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trying to figure out like how bad
is this and what do I do?

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And basically, that September fourth Labor
Day weekend two thousand and ten,

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which is my wedding anniversary, I
packed up in a SV with whatever I

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thought my mom might need for,
you know, just to get for the

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next whatever, and I drove us
to New York to my apartment in New

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York and arrived at our building and
my husband ran down to meet us on

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the curb and I, you know, there, I'm in the SUV.

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I'm I'm having slept in weeks.
I'm just exhausted, and there's my mom,

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demented as ever in the fron seat, like I happy anniversary with my

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love, I brought you my mother. Here we go, basically, and

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so for two years to care my
mom in New York, and it turned

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into this incredible roller coaster love story
and all the things you know, dementia.

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My mom was a character. She
was very theatrical. She had studied

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to be a clown earlier in her
life, so there was there, there

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were these clown elements that entered into
it. And I ended up just writing

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it all down and she became complicit
in this sort of like, this is

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a great story. Boolly Boolly's my
nickname, you know, we are you

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getting this down? This is this
is good stuff. We should make a

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play out of it, and we
should take it a Broadway. We can

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make a ton of money, mom, maybe whatever. I am getting it

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down though, because this is good
stuff and it's probably bigger than my next

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record. This is definitely theater,
and so it became this one woman theater

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piece. I weave ten songs in
and out of the story of me and

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my mother, and it really hit
a chord and people really related to it,

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and so there's a record of the
same. It's one of my favorites

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of your of your albums, Oh
thank you, Yeah? Are you getting

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very Deep? One of the most
beautiful songs ever I saw. It's the

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name of the album. It's called
My Mother Has My mother has four mother

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has four noses? And why does
your mother have four noses? Well,

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that's the thing you find out in
the show I Don't Touch. I didn't

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get besides the show, So at
first people think it's a metaphor. You

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know that she was a clown and
she probably had a red one and a

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green one and whatever. But uh, you find out, no, it's

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not a metaphor. The opening of
the show is like, my mother has

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four noses. It's not a metaphor. It's that she blah blah blah.

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And then so I go back in
time and I talk about this uh skin

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cancer that that destroyed her face basically, and because of her religion, she

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chose not to treat it medically.
She's spent, she's twenty twenty five years.

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She prayed for God to sort of
fix this thing and it and God

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did not fix it, and so
basically medicine fixed it. And so in

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an earlier sojourn with my mom in
nineteen ninety nine, she moved in with

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me in La for a year and
that's when we fixed her up. We

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got rid of the cancer. And
basically, when you have lost that much

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of your your face, they make
you, you know, a beautiful prosthetic

410
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,359
nose, and they make you four
of them, so that I guess that

411
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,599
you have options, and they are
differently pigmented. So the opening line of

412
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,400
the shows my mother has four noses, winter, spring, summer, fall.

413
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,599
I was gonna say, yeah,
you need one for summer. When

414
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:49,839
you're like a little tan Yeah,
little sky and wow, it's so beautiful.

415
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,039
So you toured, you did that
show in New York and it went

416
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:58,960
well, it was really well reviewed. Yep. And then I've done it

417
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:02,240
now in Cleveland, and I've done
it in Arkansas. I did a month

418
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:08,039
long run in Philadelphia, and I've
done it a month in Minneapolis here where

419
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:12,800
I live now. So and I'm
actually maybe bringing it back next year.

420
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:20,920
I am. I worked on a
little grant proposal to uh maybe uh what's

421
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,639
the word small in it, to
like restructure it so that it's more travelable

422
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,480
and that the production isn't so overwhelming
that you have to do it three week

423
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,239
run to make it feasible. I'm
trying to figure out a way that I

424
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,519
can. I could actually do it, you know, U night at a

425
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,800
time all over the country. Wow, I would be really cool. So

426
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,000
a lot of people couldn't come to
New York to see it, And you

427
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,320
know, what are you gonna do? You have to write people? I

428
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,639
know you have fans everywhere a lot
in LA and how do you stay in

429
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,119
touch with your fans? Do you
you have a website? Yeah? Well

430
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,840
that's a really good question because I
was going to ask you that as well.

431
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:12,280
It's like there's a certain demographic sort
of precipice drop off of networkingness,

432
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,480
you know, where like how do
I reach the Stephanie's of the world if

433
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:20,960
you're you know, if you're not
on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter all the

434
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,440
time. I think there are a
lot of people out there that I don't

435
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,360
even know how to reach them anymore, and they might want to know what

436
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,440
I'm doing. But right, I
mean, it would seem tough when you

437
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:36,000
don't have a company behind you,
a machine like constantly pumping out all the

438
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,719
pr and all that, you know, it seems like it would be really

439
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,239
tough. I mean, I feel
like your Facebook is pretty active, and

440
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,039
so during COVID you got you started
doing a lot of performances from your house.

441
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,360
It was like the greatest thing for
me. I came to all.

442
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,559
I was when every show I was, I came to every show. It

443
00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:00,039
took a lot of work, but
I was when it was like, you

444
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,199
gotta do Venmo. I was trying
to help you because you were doing something

445
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,599
to get the donate to for people
to you know, tip you. Yeah,

446
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,360
And I was like, do Venmo, it will be a lot easier

447
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,880
because I think I think I ended
up doing like sixty some odd shows,

448
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,280
like every Monday I was doing this
show started my kitchen and then I moved

449
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,760
up here because the acoustics are better. But it really saved us. I

450
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,280
mean, the Venmo and the PayPal
that was like that was a real thing

451
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,679
and it got us through because I
mean, neither neither my husband and I

452
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,119
could be working like he manages recording
artists and I'm a recording artist, and

453
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:39,360
we were grounded. So it was
huge, and it was also you know,

454
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,679
kept me a little bit sane.
Even though I couldn't tell. I

455
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,239
could see the numbers on the thing
on the side of like, oh,

456
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:51,920
six hundred people this time, yay, And there's Netherlands in France and Morocco

457
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:58,519
and there's a Japanese person and a
Philippine person and this is awesome, except

458
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:02,320
it was just by laptop in the
little green light here. I just would

459
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,800
pretend that it was you know,
hundreds and hundreds of people, and but

460
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,079
it was, and it was,
and it was it was just like I

461
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,440
just had to pretend. You have
to pretend it's it's daunting, you know,

462
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,920
because you're literally you're alone in your
room and that's got to be hard.

463
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,039
It's yes, this thing, it's
a really good training. How did

464
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,960
you just have to be like all
right, I'm I. There are six

465
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:30,880
hundred people here and we're going to
do this thing. And it it got

466
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:37,920
over and people I think want like
they're excited about it and they're getting an

467
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,239
opportunity to be a part of something. I think it builds community too,

468
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,159
because you can look in the chat
and you can see right. I mean,

469
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,719
I know for us, for me
and Lynette and Kaylin. The thing

470
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,440
that kind of changed the game for
us as a as podcasters was the Facebook

471
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,880
group. And it was like we
had a Facebook page, but when we

472
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,559
started a group, that's when all
the fans started talking to each other.

473
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,199
And it became because I was I
would say to Lynette, like, how

474
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,519
come like we put out an episode
that's super funny or you know, a

475
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:14,599
great episode, and like nobody really
talks about it in the comments. And

476
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,639
then I asked one of the like
a face, I was like, how

477
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:20,360
come you guys never comment? And
they said, because it comes up.

478
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,599
It comes up in our in our
feed, and like sometimes we it's like

479
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,960
personal. I don't want everybody reading
it. So we were like, well,

480
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,719
what if we did a Facebook group
private? Yeah, not secret,

481
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,239
but just a private group that they
have to enter because they like you.

482
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,960
And then they all all it went
crazy, like we had thousands of people

483
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,800
and then they all were talking to
each other and it's like beyond us.

484
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,559
Yeah, but I feel like your
fans like feel special because they feel like

485
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,840
they have not a secret. I
mean, you're you're fairly well known,

486
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,280
but I mean when they they're like, oh, when you love Jonathan Brook,

487
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,880
you love Jonathan Brook. I don't
know if you can tell I love

488
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,559
Jonathan Brook. So when they you
know, it's I'm sure of feeling at

489
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:06,880
your shows at like when you were
intivid. Yeah, it's an intimate feeling,

490
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,079
and they want to talk to each
other and get in and like,

491
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,559
you know, meet each other and
feel part of something. Yeah, it's

492
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,880
an incredible community. And the Kitchen, COVID, the you know, the

493
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:24,320
COVID concerts were really so reassuring.
I felt so bolstered by everything you just

494
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,719
said, like it was a real
community. And so every time I would

495
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:35,159
sit there for hours thanking every single
person who like pitched in on Venmoe.

496
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,199
You know, there was one girl
for her name is Amy Lotsburg. I

497
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:45,239
think every single show she gave me
five dollars and it meant the freaking world

498
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,039
to me because I knew she couldn't
afford any more than that, but she

499
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,119
was there every week. It's makes
me cry even now, like it just

500
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,639
was like the most sweetest thing.
So every weekend, thank you, Amy,

501
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,280
you love me so much. Thank
you. And then you know,

502
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,920
there were other people who were like
super super generous and lovely and they would

503
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,519
just be like, it's it's okay, don't worry, I can afford this

504
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,280
and I really want you to have
it. And that too was like,

505
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,840
oh my god, you saved you
saved us. That's great. And now

506
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,159
that I'm out and about actually able
to tour again, every show somebody brings

507
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,159
it brings up the COVID concerts.
They're like, and and thank you for

508
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,920
the COVID cousin. It was just
so nice to have. They were every

509
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,679
Monday, right, if I'm remembering
it correctly, every Monday, and the

510
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,800
kitchen you call it the kitchen COVID
COVID concert. I mean it was so

511
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,960
fun. Yeah. Oh and it's
actually one fan from La made me this.

512
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,159
You see that wooden thing? Oh
is that a painting? It's like

513
00:40:53,159 --> 00:41:00,360
content. She made me my own
plaque. Oh cute, says Kitchen on

514
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,000
the background. I love that.
So when COVID started to like dwindle a

515
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,480
little bit, did you ever have
like people come over to be your audience

516
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:12,480
or did you always just do it? Yet? I never did that.

517
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,880
I had my cello player came over, so she was We did some cello

518
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:23,280
song stuff and that's that was the
only time that there was. Oh and

519
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,880
then my stepdaughter Lily came over and
she was a guest one. I saw

520
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,719
that she was a guest host one
I didn't go to like Jerry Dooty or

521
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,519
doctor's appointment or something. I think
it was Jurry Dooty. So did you

522
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:39,960
do you feel like you had to
learn a bunch of tech and like,

523
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:44,559
how did you figure it all out? Because I'm the worst with that kind

524
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:49,800
of thing. Well, clearly I
suck at it too. Because I had

525
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:54,079
a friend who lives here, Kelly
Lynn Nott, who was doing a lot

526
00:41:54,199 --> 00:42:00,119
of facilitating the techie stuff for people. She figured all the ikey stuff out

527
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:05,239
for me. She got me this
little mixer here, and you know,

528
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,840
I bought this microphone and you know, because there were a lot of audio

529
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,440
files among the fans who are like, year, there's too much echo on

530
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,559
your microphone. You need you need
some sound baffling in your room. And

531
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,679
I'm like, okay, all right, so what okay? So you're touring

532
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,639
now, I mean we'll we'll get
we'll name some of your tour dates.

533
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:29,679
But I'm coming to see you in
November at McCabe's for our LA people.

534
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,719
I'm sure my friend Jonathan Borne,
another super fan of yours, will will

535
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,679
come meet me there. I'm mix
I'm gonna go. I want to go

536
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:42,280
for sure. So good seen you
at McCabe's. Now a few times,

537
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,519
Uh made you sign my mother as
feign noses to give to my my husband's

538
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:52,159
sister. Their mom passed from Alzheimer's
too, And yeah they were going through

539
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:58,880
it for like ten years. She
had a Yeah. But so what so

540
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,960
before we it to like another song, what have you been working on?

541
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:16,119
Like right now, I have been
working on two musicals and actually three.

542
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480
She's a girl, and I'm trying
to remember how to write normal songs so

543
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:29,440
that I hope to make a new
record at some point. I'm not sure

544
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,239
with what money I will make it, but I would like to make another

545
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,519
Jonathan record before it's too late.
But I'm kind of deep, deep into

546
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,639
these two front Burner musicals. One
of them is called Switched. It's about

547
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,320
two women who are switched at birth
and they find out when they're forty and

548
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,880
then the sort of play starts with
them getting these letters like did you ever

549
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,239
think you were? Maybe, well
it's true you were, and then like

550
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:58,519
boom, you know, the show
starts and we circle back to them as

551
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:02,679
kids. And that's a really cool
project. So I'm working on that pretty

552
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:09,360
diligently. And then there's another musical
called Tempest t E M p U s

553
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,960
as in Tempest Fujit Time Flies.
That is a commission from two New York

554
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:21,880
producers. So I'm co writing that
with a woman Namedjaqueline packas Killer play right.

555
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,679
So we're working on that, and
that's front Burner as well. Wow,

556
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,719
pressure, that's great, Yeah,
terrifying. Well do you want to

557
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,960
play us another song? I'll let
it be your choice, So I don't.

558
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,360
I don't make you ten your guitar
for twenty minutes. Do that?

559
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,239
Let me see the other guitars tuned
to something more normal. Hold on,

560
00:44:45,800 --> 00:45:00,360
put the gun down, contact me, got a lot of nerve, your

561
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:13,559
freed, see your head in rough. Everybody got their cross, So your

562
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:23,119
bearing, You seek your prophets,
tell you love ones, and you carry

563
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:30,280
on, carry on, carry on, carry on, carry on, carry

564
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:40,719
on. Nobody has done you,
so you'll carry on. And you put

565
00:45:40,760 --> 00:46:00,519
the gun down? Was your daddy
mean mamma couldn't be saved one? Keeping

566
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:14,079
new clean isn't just attention that you
crave. Put the gun down. Nobody

567
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:27,400
asks to lose. You got no
except forgiveness. You better choose loose.

568
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:34,880
And you carry on, carrying,
carry on, carry on, carry on,

569
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:44,960
carry on. Nobody done you row. It's Tuesday, make it too

570
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:54,400
Wednesday, Thursday. You might feel
the sun Friday, nor something bound Saturday,

571
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:05,199
Sunday. Don't need no gun,
don't ain't don't swing. No money

572
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:16,480
has to please, no fami lady
gonna sing. You may never get what's

573
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:25,000
need to carry on? Carryall,
carry on, carry on, carry on,

574
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:34,599
carry on. No man done you
rolle? So you carry on?

575
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:42,400
They carry on, carry on,
carry on, carry on, carry out

576
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:52,679
and carry on. No maney done
you rolle. So your carry on and

577
00:47:52,840 --> 00:48:19,840
you put the gun down. The
gun down. Wow, so beautiful,

578
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:24,119
such great lyrics, very interesting,
very another one. I've listened to you

579
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:31,360
over and over and over and over
with your music. Oh my gosh.

580
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,000
I feel so honored that you came
and did our podcast and let's send our

581
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,320
audience. Yes, first of all, can you I was sent your tour

582
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,800
dates, but do you know any
of them off hand? I do?

583
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:49,280
Okay, let's see. Well this
weekend I'm playing with Patty Griffin. I

584
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,480
know, Wow, I know,
and I haven't seen her in years.

585
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,679
She was kind of came up in
the Boston scene right when Jennifer and I

586
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,360
were starting out. So we go
way back. The first one's in hammond

587
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,000
Sport, New York, which is
the Finger Lakes region. I think it's

588
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,880
at this like winery, fancy outdoor
place. It's a it's a daytime show

589
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:15,320
on the seventeenth. The next one's
Annapolis, Maryland on that twenty eighth,

590
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,920
and no, on the seventeenth,
sorry, Annapolis is the seventeenth. And

591
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:28,400
then I'm out on the road with
my sixty hot guitar player Sean, who

592
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,079
also sings his butt off. We're
in New Hope, which is outside Philly,

593
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,719
New Hope, Pennsylvania. On the
twenty eighth, we're in Portland,

594
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,679
Maine. The twenty ninth, we're
in Natick, mass My old stopped grounds

595
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:46,280
Natick on the thirtieth, and then
we do Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Then

596
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,400
we do Vienna, Virginia. I
mean it's my website jabook dot com.

597
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,000
Yeah, and Jonathan Brook dot com
on Instagram. On Facebook, you have

598
00:49:55,039 --> 00:50:01,239
a Facebook page, YouTube channel Jonathan
Brook. So everybody just go to her

599
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,800
socials and when you go see her
in concert, go wait in line with

600
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,639
your thing to have signed and tell
her fcol yes, yes, so she'll

601
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:14,199
fl Yeah, thank you. I
love that. That's the name of your

602
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:17,280
podcast. I look for crying.
What's such a great I might have to

603
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,119
steal that and make a song.
Oh please, we would love that.

604
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,320
I was just gonna say we write
a song. It was kind of kind

605
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,039
of because I told you so,
like for crying out loud, right right?

606
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:30,880
Yeah? Yeah, well we were. We started as basically a parenting

607
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,800
podcast. I have twins. I
have twins and as older one, and

608
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,039
Lynette has twins, and so when
we started, our kids were really little,

609
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,119
both of us, so we were
like overwhelmed with it, and it

610
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,719
was we love to like complain,
right, It's like our thing that we

611
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,000
do vent and complain about parenting.
So yeah, so that's where we came

612
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,599
up with all you know, knock
it off, don't make me hit you?

613
00:50:55,079 --> 00:51:01,719
All right, thank you, Thank
you so much, Jonathan. We've

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been great. We really appreciate you're
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so much. It's been fun talking
to you. Okay, all right,

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everybody check her out. Thank you, Bye, letting go,