WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:05.559 This is High on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:11.119 fourteen fifteen. Subscribe now to the podcast on the iHeart Radio while just Surgery 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:16.960 High on the Ball Talking Back Times volume on Fox Sports Sportsteen fifty on Jagonzalas. 4 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:22.679 My co host is Mike Bader, long time baseball and football exec here 5 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:26.320 in uh here in Tusi. Because Stevens decided to take some time off away 6 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:31.440 from us, so it's time for This is High on the Ball Breaking news 7 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:35.719 on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. All right, Michael, Well, well we've 8 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:40.240 been waiting through all this, uh Colorado leaving the Pac twelve news. A 9 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:45.240 couple of significant injuries and or kind of significant injuries in the uh the NFL. 10 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:52.520 Jalen Ramsey uh tournament is probably a future Hall of Fame cornerback for the 11 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:58.079 Dolphins as a torn meniscus. There he's having surgery. Uh, and they 12 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:03.560 say he'll he he might be ready at the start of the regular season. 13 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.200 They won't. And what I read is sixt eight weeks. Yeah, you 14 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.519 know, so it's it's I don't know, I mean, it's not major 15 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:15.879 surgery, but it's still knee surgery. Yeah, when you're when you're a 16 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.680 defensive back and you could run and you got to do things. The prediction 17 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.239 right now, which is not breaking nose, the New Orleans Saints will win 18 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:29.640 their division, even with Sean Payton over in Denver. And you saw it 19 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:30.680 he said to that, Yeah, man, did you see that would be 20 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:36.560 that would be breaking as we said, put that that the job that uh 21 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.319 what was his name? Quote? Uh yeah, Nathaniel Nathaniel Hacket may have 22 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:46.439 been the worst coaching job in the history of the NFL. You just don't 23 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.359 see. Robert Sala came in and said, I'm not going to comment, 24 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.400 but you know what, we'll see you in week five. Yeah. Yeah, 25 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:57.000 but you know to say that about another coach that's so unusual, well 26 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.640 then you know another whether it's breaking or not. Aaron Rodgers giving up thirty 27 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:08.599 one yesterday and you know that'll be Aaron Rodgers must feel good about what's going 28 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:13.240 on there in the prediction. Is you know the running back that's going to 29 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:19.879 go there? The Delvin Cook. Oh yeah, yes, yes, they're 30 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.039 trying to get him. Yes, with the date a good young running back 31 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.879 to last year. So no, it's you can't keep up with this time 32 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:32.280 it's hard then the other one um uh. A quarterback Joe Burrow who does 33 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.400 not have a contract, who is right, he's not one of these high 34 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:38.800 priced guys, right, although he's trying to get his contract. Was was 35 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:43.439 carted off the field today. There was some moreity that it might be a 36 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:49.800 u a achilles, but now they're officially saying that it is a calf string. 37 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.360 That's good, so that he'll he'll just probably be out some some time 38 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:59.199 during um UH. During a camp um, Albert Breer reported that early signs 39 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.719 are are good, that it's not worse than that, which is an ideal, 40 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:05.639 but much better than it looked on video. I haven't seen the video 41 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:07.120 of that, but it sounded like, I mean, look, when a 42 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.400 guy's getting carted off, you think it's more than a calf strain, right, 43 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.479 especially when you're somebody's grabbing their calf. You're thinking that's it and achilles, 44 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:20.439 and that's a year, a season, two seasons at least thout. 45 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.520 You know when it happens. Right now, you're talking about possibly you know 46 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:28.680 two seasons that you're out. So anyway, so he's if you know that 47 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:31.599 the NFL would miss him oh well, that was a question. That such 48 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:38.039 an exciting player when you got him Patrick Mahomes and and uh and Jalen hurts. 49 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:47.360 Jalen hurts, you got uh uh Herbert Um the Buffalo quarterback. When's 50 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:53.039 your fantasy draft? I want to be in your lady, Mike, Steve 51 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.039 and I in here. We forget, we forget a major name, Hey 52 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:00.280 waiting two or three ever? You get it even worse. Well, it's 53 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.560 it's pretty bad right now and we get called on it. But but yeah, 54 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.240 all that that, all those quarterbacks, right, any one of those 55 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.680 guys being gone for a season is not is not good? No, because 56 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.840 you I mean you turn on the TV to watch I turn on the TV 57 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.360 to watch uh, to watch those guys? If you do, you turn 58 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:18.720 on I don't. I don't know if disqualifies or breaking news? Do you 59 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.399 turn on the TV to watch a running back? Nope, I don't. 60 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.279 How about what's going on with the running backs in the NFL? Incredible? 61 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.040 What's going on with the running backs in the NFL? Wow? You know, 62 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:30.480 and we were having that, We had this conversation earlier this week. 63 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.120 It's like se Quombartley was talking about holding on. I'm like, so, 64 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.480 okay, so you hold out, you don't get the ten million dollars. 65 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:40.240 Where do you think you're gonna get that ten million dollars? When? Where 66 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.360 do you think you're gonna get that back? I don't think he's overjoyed to 67 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.040 get eleven, right, But you know, and then that was the other 68 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:47.959 thing. It's like, okay, what was the difference, right, you 69 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.240 know with it with the contract? Did did it just make you feel better 70 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.959 that you kind of said, well I want this too and you got it? 71 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:58.879 And it was another hundred thousand dollars, I mean another million dollars. 72 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:03.160 But thing in the NFL, in most of the positions other than quarterback, 73 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.920 they're non guaranteed contract. Well yeah, well look and look and we saw 74 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:13.079 that, uh be Jean Robinson got a thirteen million dollar contract. He hasn't 75 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.360 played it down in the NFL. Right, And yet that you weren't you 76 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:20.199 weren't going to give Sequon Barkley eleven right. It's just I you just don't 77 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:24.079 know what you know, what guys are thinking out there there? All right? 78 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:29.920 Um? Smaller, smaller breaking news just just came across USEF could see 79 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.079 who was a discus thrower for the for the U of A won the Canadian 80 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:38.920 Track and Field Champion chip in the discus, so another athlete probably I would 81 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:42.600 imagine he could probably be an Olympian for uh, what's the name of the 82 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.360 shot putter. That's that's his name, you sef, that's the shot putter. 83 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.279 No shop oh oh oh, the shot putter is a Jordan Geist. 84 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.639 Right, yeah, he'll he'll be competing for uh for shot at the Olympics 85 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.680 as well. But uh uh, this discus thrower for the U of A 86 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.959 won the when the candidates, that's great, that's very cool. I was 87 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.959 cool to see if those guys do well. All right, um has mentioned 88 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.399 we are gonna have Michael lev coming on. We're gonna you know, kick 89 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:10.519 this uh Colorado stover. He just posted a column that I'll try to read 90 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.680 during the break before he comes on. But he's basically saying PAC twelve Air 91 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:16.879 Zone's gonna get the hell out of the pack, out of the PAC twelve 92 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.879 and get over the Big twelve. But a thing that did come across as 93 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:28.240 a statement by uh by a Colorado and and you know, and what I'll 94 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.120 bring this up to Michael. But here here's the key. It's it's not 95 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:35.079 a super long statement, but here's the key piece of the statement to me 96 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:41.079 say what it says. The Big Twelfth Conference recently signed a Meteorites Agreement extension 97 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:46.319 that will make them partners with the countries two largest sports media companies, ESPN 98 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.879 and Fox through to the twenty thirty thirty one season. This national exposure through 99 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:54.199 linear television and streaming, which is a you know, a key thing in 100 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:58.879 air quotes right, combined with the Big Twelve Conference's footprint across three time zones, 101 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.800 will not only make See You more accessible to alumni and fans nationwide, 102 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:08.519 we introduced the bus to countless new potential students and fans. And the thing 103 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:13.360 I kept hearing as as as as we were waiting for this vote to come 104 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.639 up, and and and during the vote, you know, listening to the 105 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:21.199 regions, they kept talking about stability and that that's the thing that seemed to 106 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:30.600 be the most important thing to the regions of that's the same school that had 107 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.560 their new head coach come in and said you might as well leave because we 108 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:36.240 don't want we don't want well. And there's another aspect that's Dan Sanders. 109 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:42.199 There's another aspect of this there's a lot of there's a lot of conversation that 110 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.720 they did this. Part of why they did this was for Deon Sanders, 111 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.959 for the guy who everybody believes be gone three three years. He's gonna be 112 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:55.199 gone in three years, but that still you know, he still lives in 113 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:57.720 Texas. He's got property and tact. I actually worked with him with the 114 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.959 Austin Wranglers. If he wasn't one of the owners. Wow. And and 115 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.120 that that he wants to recruit in Texas and that that a big not a 116 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:11.439 big, but a piece of it, right, is that the Dion Sanders 117 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.319 wanted this as well. I mean, that's that's crazy. What was he? 118 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.160 What was he like? Dealing with him? He was interesting guy, 119 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.279 a little different than the guy that and I worked for goals without saying interesting. 120 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.079 He was funny. I mean it was you know, he his personality 121 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.519 is bigger than life. And and he wasn't he was living in Dallas and 122 00:08:31.559 --> 00:08:35.480 we were in Austin, so he would just come in for the games. 123 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.679 His entourage was crazy. Yeah, one of his the big entourage was Nancy 124 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:46.000 Lieberman. Wow. She she was with him all the time. But he 125 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.600 he's you know, he's prime yeah. Uh, and he'd be on the 126 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:52.799 sidelines, you know, he'd be before the game. We'd take him over 127 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:58.080 and introduced him the sponsors, and he'd be great. Do you see him 128 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.120 being a really good college coach at this level? No? I mean I 129 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.440 could see. I could see that it worked, you know, at the 130 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:07.360 HBCU level, but at this Hays as good as his staff. Well, 131 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.399 of course, what a lot of coaches are, right, No, of 132 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.799 course fish, So does does Dione have a good staff? I don't know. 133 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.960 I really don't know. But when you think of all the other things 134 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.639 that come with being a college football coach at this level, things that we 135 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:22.679 know coaches who have even come through here didn't want to do that. I 136 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:24.960 don't know how well you knew Mike Steps, but he did not want to 137 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.399 be He did not want to be the CEO of the program. I don't 138 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:31.840 think rich Rod did either. You know he was, but he was such 139 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.879 a dam good didn't someone didn't want to be here. That's a whole note. 140 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:37.399 That's a whole note, the level of not wanting to be something. 141 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.120 But well, Diane will be as good as as his offspring. Yeah, 142 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.360 yeah, his son is the quarterback, right, and and then and you 143 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.240 wonder how does that play with the players, Right, isn't that always an 144 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.399 issue? Well, we got a good wide receiver out of it, Yeah, 145 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.559 we did. The guy who just tore it up in the spring game. 146 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.879 Yeah, But you know, I I don't know. I just feel 147 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:07.840 like, um, you just look Dion's Dion And I don't know Dion from 148 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:13.799 Schmo. Right, what I see of Dion? I question how he's gonna 149 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:22.559 put up with the non glamorous parts of being a college football coach. Maybe 150 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.679 he loves the recruiting and he loves going out and picking guys, you know, 151 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.080 like he's going to the grocery store. He's better in the NFL than 152 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.919 he is in college because he doesn't have to be the CEO. Right, 153 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:39.519 But how much is he gonna love when some boosters holding out on giving the 154 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.399 football program two million dollars and they want Dion to come and you know, 155 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:48.279 bow to those guys like like we know boosters want coaches to do and he 156 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.080 says, well, I'm not going to do that. Well, then I'm 157 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.919 not going to give you my two million dollars. Right, how's that gonna 158 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.440 fly? Right? Those are the kinds of things that. I wonder about 159 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.919 whether he can do the job. Can he coach on the field like he's 160 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.080 that's just gonna depend on whether or not he's got a staff that that that 161 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:09.039 can. But you know, we know that being a college coach now at 162 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.399 the Big twelve level, for him, it's more than than being the guy 163 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.919 on the field, and it's more than being the guy that goes into a 164 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.679 house. What's the over under how many wins Colorado has this year? It's 165 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.440 three and a half. What do you think if I had to bear If 166 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.360 somebody said you have to bet this, you have to bet it, I 167 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.320 would take the under. I would agree with that. I take the under. 168 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.759 If so, it's somebody hard to win. So what does that mean 169 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.480 to the fans? I do you have the patience? Well, if they 170 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:39.039 wait it out, if they win three, it's more than it's two more 171 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.279 than they won last year. Wow, you know, I mean, look, 172 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.120 I was happy with Arizona's five wins. I was ecstatic with Arizona's five 173 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.159 wins. Right if you look the Arizonas over under last one was two and 174 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.440 a half and I took it. I bet it. And if they had 175 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.919 gotten to three, I was happy when they got to three, I said, 176 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.679 the rest of this is great. And what's the over under this year 177 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.720 at five and a half or its five? Now, what do you think 178 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:03.240 I'm taking the over again? Good? Well, I hope you're right. 179 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.360 I think they're gonna get to six. It's hard for me to look at 180 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:13.120 the schedule and see which six they're gonna be, right, right, I 181 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.559 can think of two, right, you tap and you you tap in au. 182 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.600 Those are like, even though they lost to you type a couple. 183 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.519 Those two are you know, two foot puts, right, two foot puts 184 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.279 on both of those, you know, But a scu is not a two 185 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:30.480 foot put. Uh, Stanford is not a two foot put and Colorado's not 186 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:31.559 a two foot put. And those are the three teams that are being picked 187 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:37.080 below Arizona. No, you know, winning all three of those is not 188 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.000 going to be really easy, although I think they should win all three. 189 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.639 So let's say they win those three in the two. Now you've won five 190 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.679 games. Now you just gotta go win one of the other games. But 191 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:52.279 it is asu not a mess. Right now. They're less of a mess 192 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:58.720 than they would have been had herman words stuck around. Okay okay um who 193 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.879 who do we talk to about about them? I think we talked to I 194 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:07.440 can, Ma'm Mournino. Yeah, I think it was Matt Mournano, you 195 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.279 know, recruiting rivals guy, you know, a su just they're they're kind 196 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.320 of like where you have a was not as bad as you have a wasn't 197 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.240 Jet Fisher's first year, but in that neighborhood, and that they're short on 198 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:24.440 players. But that doesn't mean they can't beat it, right, you know, 199 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.720 I mean Arizona lost NAU again in that season. So and then you 200 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.200 know, let's say you know you got a rivalry game. Let's say you 201 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.600 gets to the end of the season, they've won a game or two, 202 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:39.159 they feel like they can feel good about themselves. Game right, keep keep 203 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.159 Arizona out of a bull game, and the game's up in Tempe. Arizona 204 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.120 can go lose that game, right, Um, Arizona's got to go to 205 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.399 Colorado. What's that atmosphere gonna be like that? You know, they've sold 206 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.639 out a couple of games already. I think they're playing Nebraska and that game's 207 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.000 a sellout, you know, so what's what's that gonna be like? But 208 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:00.799 and it could be that it crashes because there's all these expectations Colorado and they 209 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.080 don't come to fruition and maybe by the time Arizona plays them, they suck 210 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.279 and Arizona can go in that game. But if they get some excitement going, 211 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.480 that's gonna be a tough, tough game to win, you know. 212 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.039 And then they get you know, they get Stanford, they go, they 213 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.759 go to Stanford early in the season. So there's I think they're six wins 214 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.039 in there. I just don't know which ones they are. As a fan, 215 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.840 I hope you're right. All right, we're gonna talk talked a little 216 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.919 bit more about this. 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You've got a title with that and 283 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:32.759 every Yeah, I'm president, filling in for Steve who's out some twelve years. 284 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.960 We're waiting to get get Michael lev on the phone to talk about, 285 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:41.119 you know, the stuff that's been going on regarding Colorado going to the Big 286 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.359 twelve and really from an Arizona standpoint, Now, what does this mean for 287 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:49.440 Arizona. Mike has posted a column that he just uh that he just uh 288 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.599 put up, so I haven't had a chance to go through it as well. 289 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:56.240 We'll ask Michael about what, you know, his apion. I did 290 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:59.759 read the headline that basically said Arizona needs to get the hell out of the 291 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.039 Back twelve. And I know that there's going into this. There are a 292 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:08.160 lot of people who are thinking that. Anyways, Um, I'm still touring. 293 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:14.559 I really, my son and I are arguing about this this morning. 294 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.319 And I guess I'm a loyalist and a traditional guy. Yeah, so I 295 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.400 guess I'd rather see him, you know, stay there. They don't need 296 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:26.480 to go to Connecticut to play you know, and some of the other you 297 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.240 know, and well, right now it would be they have to go play 298 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.640 West Virginia. And the thought of that to me is like, what the 299 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.839 hell? West Virginia doesn't move the needle for me. And maybe part of 300 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.119 it is like, because I'm a purist like you, I like the teams 301 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.119 that Arizona has been playing for all these years. I'm used to them. 302 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.240 I know who they are. M I feel I know who Arizona should beat 303 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.039 and who they shouldn't beat. But yet, on the basketball side, I 304 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.599 love what Tommy Lloyd's doing about playing the big boys. Not if you're all 305 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.799 of a sudden you're playing You're playing Kansas, and you're playing you know, 306 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.400 you know, Michigan State. No, Michigan States in the in the Big 307 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.960 Ten. Oh no. I mean, but if you're playing no, But 308 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.839 if you're playing Kansas, said, you know, home and home, and 309 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:18.160 you got Baylor, got Texas Tech, you got Houston State was good last 310 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.599 year, the basketball would be better. I'm a little I kind of don't 311 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.480 like the road trips though, you know, I mean, I don't like 312 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:32.359 trading you know, La and San Francisco in Seattle, Eugene, you know, 313 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.440 or you know Waco and love and all that. So I think it's 314 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:48.119 Michael right now. All this Michael, No Michael, no modern technology I 315 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.920 know. All right? Uh yeah, I hope, I hope. Could 316 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.759 you pay for the Twitter feed? Did you switch to the other kind? 317 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.359 All this Michael? It is Michael. Thank you for calling. I'm sorry 318 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.039 about that. I was I was dialing you, and it was saying, 319 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.160 can this number cannot be reached. I don't know what they are probably say 320 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.039 it's something on our side, for sure, but I appreciate you sticking with 321 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:11.839 us and giving us a call. So, um, well, we obviously 322 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.119 want to talk to you about this, uh this thing that's happened in the 323 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.960 last couple of days. Let me ask you first, is it days or 324 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.720 hours? Well, yeah, twenty five. Let me ask you first, 325 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.079 mayhem, maybe longer than that. You know, did you take anything that 326 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.920 had happened in the last week out of PAC twelve Media Day and stuff like 327 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.960 that, Maybe things that have been said and reading into stuff to think that 328 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:41.960 what happened yesterday was going to happen. There's been a lot of rumblings about 329 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:47.279 Colorado specifically. I'm sure you've heard all of the talk about the so called 330 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:53.279 four corners right schools being um, you know, optics of desire for Brett, 331 00:22:53.359 --> 00:23:02.559 Yourmark and the Big twelve pretty logical based on geography, on field success, 332 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:07.440 popularity, brand names, all of those things for them to pursue those 333 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:12.079 four those four beings Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Arizona where everyone knew that. 334 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:18.759 I would say that the fact that the Pact twelve had nothing to present 335 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:26.480 to the membership and that George class Cost is basically on the defensive talking in 336 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.839 circles at Pact twelve media day was a bad sign, right right, Um 337 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:36.039 if he followed this saga. This has been going on for the better part 338 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:41.039 of a year, well over a year since US and UCLA left. You 339 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.839 know that it's been all about this media deal, right, the media deal 340 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:51.200 that needs to get done to sort of ensure the survival of the league. 341 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:57.200 The value of the league was greatly depressed when those two schools left, and 342 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:02.200 we've just all been waiting in and you know, oh it's coming soon. 343 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.319 It's a matter of weeks, it's a matter of months. It has to 344 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:10.119 happen before pack to a media day because you know, they want all the 345 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:15.960 attention to be on the on field product and then it didn't happen. And 346 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:19.480 from understanding things correctly from Colorado's side, they were just like, we've run 347 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.799 out of patients here, you know, right, Like we're looking for a 348 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:30.119 more stable situation, and the Big twelve presents that to us. And hey, 349 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.240 if you're Colorado, it's not like you've been in the Pac twelve or 350 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:38.440 Pac ten or pack whatever for decades and decades. They've only been here for 351 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:44.799 twelve years. Yeah, so they're just kind of going back to their roots. 352 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.960 And it's not really all that surprising. I don't think anything really should 353 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.279 be when it comes to conference your alignments question now is you know what effect 354 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:56.759 does this have on other schools in the conference? Right? Well, you 355 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.599 you've you've posted a column in the in the last what a couple hours or 356 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.720 last hour? I guess that says Arizona should get out, get it, 357 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:08.960 get get out, get over to the Big twelve. Uh with with Colorado. 358 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.119 I haven't had chance to read the column, but tell us you're thinking 359 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:18.519 behind that? Yeah, Um well, I mean I kind of said that 360 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.960 from the beginning and haven't really changed my stance all that much. But I 361 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.880 think it makes a lot of sense to leave, like it just feels like, 362 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:32.920 um, the Pac twelve is dying. You know. I hate to 363 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.400 put it into dire terms, but man, they only have nine members left. 364 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:45.519 The flagship program is gone, the LA market is gone. There seems 365 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:52.039 to be no viable media deal out there. Um. Yeah, any sort 366 00:25:52.079 --> 00:26:00.599 of um reasonable price or amounts that um would even even be enough for George 367 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:08.559 clapp cop to make a presentation that he feels good about. Right, So 368 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:12.119 why not make the move? Yeah, you know, I mean the Big 369 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:17.920 twelve has to deal with ESPN and Fox as much as we're all about, 370 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:22.720 you know, the shift cutting the cord and moving over to streaming and all 371 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.440 that stuff. Hey, linear TV. He'll get the most eyeballs, the 372 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:33.000 most exposure. It was revealed yesterday by Brett McMurphy that there's a pro rata 373 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:40.000 clause in that contract where if the Power five team comes in, they don't 374 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.000 get the same amount. So it's not like one of these deals where oh, 375 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.759 you're a new member, you're only gonna get you fifty percent for the 376 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.720 first two years and then up to seventy percent. No, it looks like 377 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:55.480 Colorado is going to get the full thirty one point seven million dollars from ESPN 378 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.559 and Fox. Culturally, I mean, we're pretty purple state, I would 379 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:07.039 say. I think it's it's not such a bad fit culturally to be in 380 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:12.400 the same conference with schools from Texas and Oklahoma and Kansas and other parts of 381 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.160 the Midwest and Southwest. If you want to call, you know, parts 382 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.680 of Texas Southwest. I think you can do that. And the sports that 383 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.680 Arizona is really good at are sports that the Big twelve is also really good 384 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:33.519 at and passionate about men's and women's basketball, baseball, softball, football. 385 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:41.039 Hey, the football team is on the rise. It's improving the very competitive 386 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:48.400 and servant football league that you'd be joining. And then on top of all 387 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.799 that, I think just if you look at the big picture, you want 388 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:59.160 to get yourself into something of a super conference. Right you're trying to compete 389 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.039 with the ACT SEE and the Big ten m they've already gotten up to I 390 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.759 think sixteen teams a piece and probably going to add more in the future. 391 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.720 I don't see a pass to the Pac twelve to do that unless they work 392 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:18.000 to out and out like merge with the ACC for some sort of cross country 393 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.240 version of Conference USA. But there's a pretty easy path to get to sixteen 394 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:27.480 in the Big twelve. And if you bring your rival along with you, 395 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.480 bring Utah along with that's a really that's a pretty darn good conference. Yeah. 396 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.000 I think a really fun conference that would be super competitive and all of 397 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.799 what you call kind of the big five sports around here at Arizona. I 398 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.880 didn't get a chance to say to you before you you came on. Mike 399 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.599 Vader is here with me today, not Steve, So Mike, I heard 400 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:55.640 about that. Hey, Michael, is this a record for Tucson having two 401 00:28:55.720 --> 00:29:00.759 New Tray graduates on the same radio show? I am actually okay, I 402 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:07.839 am actually not a new Trier. Sorry, several family members who are future 403 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:14.519 graduates actually went to a public school in the city what Chicago. It was 404 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.839 Mather High School. Yeah, I know where it is. Yeah, on 405 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.119 the north side. All right, So I got a question for it. 406 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:26.279 You were you were talking about and just clarification me, I'm not too smart. 407 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:32.440 Uh. You said that Arizona would potentially go with Colorado. Are you 408 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:37.880 saying that would be the only school that would leave the Pack twelve to pair 409 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:41.680 up with Colorado or or is it back to what you said about the four 410 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:47.720 corner types. I really, I really don't see a scenario where Arizona goes 411 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:52.359 off on its own without Arizona. Statement. Okay, well, Bobby Robinson 412 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.839 said, I mean they they joined, they joined the pack together right back 413 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:03.559 in the day, nineteen seventy eight. Right. Um, they're the bitterest 414 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:10.079 of rivals, their freenemies through and through um the you know, much like 415 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.319 the Colorado Border Regions had to sign off on this thing today, the Arizona 416 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:21.079 Border Regions would have to sign off on something like that, and they they 417 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.559 their their pur view includes Arizona and Arizona statement. Well, I really don't 418 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.319 see just Arizona going. I think if Arizona really wanted to go that, 419 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.559 the two schools would probably sit down and have a conversation and be like, 420 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.359 yeah, we're we're in this together. Um let's go and let's see if 421 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.400 we can, you know, bring Utah along with us, right. You 422 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:41.920 know, Well, I was gonna say in that scenario the school hanging out, 423 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:47.119 there's Utah. Now, look as U has public and Ray Anderson and 424 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:49.400 I don't know if Michael Crow's publicly said it, but Ray Anderson death Flag 425 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.039 director Dasio has definitely said this guy I heard him say, we don't want 426 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.079 to go. We want to we want to stay in the pack, in 427 00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:02.359 the pact or whatever the pack number is. Boby Robbins has said, we 428 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.440 don't want you know, we can go without a su if we want. 429 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.759 So the doors open to do that. But if let's say, as you 430 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.240 said, they sit down, they talk about say look, let's both go, 431 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.319 and then let's go get Utah. Has there been any conversation with anybody 432 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:22.319 from Utah that has said whether or not they're inclined to jump on this and 433 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.880 go as a group, because I know we've talked about the four Corner schools 434 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:32.359 a lot. That name came about because of all this. You know, 435 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.559 we've always haven't ye. Everything that I've seen in terms of public statements from 436 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:44.359 the leadership at Utah has been similar to what you've seen from ASU. You 437 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:48.119 know, they have expressed a desire to remain in the PAC twelve. But 438 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.880 you know what, these situations are so fluid, right, Everything changes on 439 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.640 a dime, Like I mean, George Kopkoff said Friday, It was Friday 440 00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:04.160 last week, right on the twenty first of July, there we are. 441 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.359 It's the twenty seventh of July, six days ago. Oh yeah, everything's 442 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.759 great. Haven't heard a thing. Everyone wants to stay just a matter of 443 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.480 time before we get a deal done. The longer the longer we wait, 444 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.160 the better. It was working behind the scenes, yeah, to engineer this 445 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.200 deal. Right. He even said cleft. I even said the longer we 446 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:29.200 wait, the better it gets. Oh yeah, right, sure, I 447 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.519 mean that's I don't know where he came up with that, but I mean, 448 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:37.920 sorry, yeah, that's that's just an absurd state. Well I'm clearly 449 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.079 not true. Okay, So I had a conversation with somebody, you know, 450 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:45.599 my kid, right Adam. We talked about we compared the football conferences, 451 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:46.759 all right, and he's saying, I don't know why we're making such 452 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.640 a big deal about jumping to the Big Twelve as a relationship football, because 453 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:55.759 when you look at the football conferences, even though there's more teams than the 454 00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.400 Big Twelve, the conferences are comparable, and in fact, you could argue 455 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:05.440 that the two best teams when you're combined the two conferences are still Oregon in 456 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.599 Washington. You know it's not I mean Oklahoma State, right, maybe Kansas 457 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:12.720 State TCO. I get TuS in the natural championship, but that came out 458 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.960 of nowhere, and you don't know if they're gonna have any staining part. 459 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.279 But you could argue that if you put those two conference football conferences together, 460 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.880 that Oregon and Washington are still the two business. So he said, I 461 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.839 don't know why we're so quick to jump, although I will say that if 462 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:29.599 you're going to say the conferences are equal, then the reason to move is 463 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.960 because of basketball. And how much is that going to enter the picture as 464 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.279 far as all this goes driven back. I think that's a factor for sure. 465 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:44.079 But I think I think the key word that the Colorado leadership put out 466 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.599 there today is stability. Yeah, I heard that about you know. I 467 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:51.200 mean, it's feel like you've just you're entering into a more stable, long 468 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.000 term situation. Whereas with the PAC twelve, I mean, who knows what's 469 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.680 going to happen. I know that the Big Ten keeps saying I don't want 470 00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.440 to add anyone, Oh where did with what we've got, We're just focusing 471 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.440 on USC UCLA. But I mean, would it surprise anyone they're common if 472 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.159 next June they announced that they were at in Washington and Oregon. Another they're 473 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:15.440 common that Washington, Banford and yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's certainly 474 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.440 not inconceivable that that could happen, Right, and then what then what do 475 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.320 you left with? Yeah, they're basically left with a glorified version of the 476 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.039 Mountain West. Yeah, no offense to the Mountain West, right, No, 477 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.440 well, no offense to them. But that's the big fear when this 478 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.519 first happened, When the first thing, the first thing I thought of when 479 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:36.719 USC and UCLA left was, holy hell, we're in a situation where Arizona 480 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.440 could wind up in a conference that looks a lot like the Mountain West. 481 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:44.760 And and that's that's the big fear. And that's what kind of tells me. 482 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:46.960 I don't know where I'm at right now. I mean I was kind 483 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.280 of like, let's yeah, let's get out, let's go to the Big 484 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.039 twelve. Um, I think the football is Look, I'm not looking forward 485 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.159 to the to the road trips, right, I'm not looking forward to, 486 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.800 you know, to Lubbock and wake Up and skill Water in place of San 487 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:09.239 Francisco and Seattle in LA. But nonetheless, to me, the football is 488 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.639 kind of about the same the basketball would be an incredible conference. I mean, 489 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.920 look, you can say what you will about no truck stops here and 490 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:23.920 all that business, but those fans are super passionate and super into it. 491 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:30.079 I mean that they're all there are a lot of true blue college towns right 492 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:36.880 in this new fangled Big Twelve, and there are certainly some really good college 493 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.440 towns in the Pac twelve as well, But there are also some that are 494 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.039 now they're in city where you know, they're not the number one team in 495 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.519 town, like like like Arizona is here, right, you know, so 496 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.559 I think that there's you know, that kind of off set a little bit. 497 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:59.079 Maybe they're not as glamorous of destinations, but you might be playing in 498 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.079 front of a packed howl. It's been a really good fun atmosphere with an 499 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.719 awesome talegate and and all of those things that make you know, college sports 500 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.400 so special. All right, last question, when do you think we hear 501 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:13.320 something from coming out of the Arizona administration on on this in terms of what's 502 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.719 in now the next step? Man, I would say not not anytime soon. 503 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:22.440 Although it seems like Colorado had felt pressure from the Big Twelve that the 504 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.440 Big Twelve wanted them to do something before August first. August first, it's 505 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.159 coming around the corner. But I mean everything that Robbins has said, President 506 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.840 Robert Robbins, Um, head of University of Arizona, is that they want 507 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.800 to see what the numbers look like before making any decisions. And if we've 508 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:50.480 learned anything over the past hour many months, like those numbers are not they're 509 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.239 they're not forthcoming. They're not around either anytime soon. If he had, 510 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:59.119 if he had the numbers, he would have presented the numbers, right, 511 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.800 I mean, Michael, one last month, has anyone seen them? No, 512 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.719 they don't. They're not tell us. I don't believe they're there. 513 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.440 I just watched the election. I'll be joining one of your co workers in 514 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:13.960 Israel. Uh, my wife and I are going to tell to see the 515 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:19.039 UFA basketball team playing Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. And I heard that I think 516 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:23.360 Bruce is going right. That's the rum. Okay, okay, it's a 517 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:29.320 very very cool. So we're excited. So two weeks from yesterday, we're 518 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.119 laving. All right, Michael, Well, thanks so much for taking the 519 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.760 time. I know you guys are busy with all of this. I appreciate 520 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.239 it. And uh, we're going to keep up picking your brain on this 521 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.079 because you know more than everybody else, so I appreciate it. I don't 522 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.719 think you're right, but thanks for having me, all right. Thanks calcul 523 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:50.239 later Michael lev columnists and ride with yours on a Daily Star. 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Steve Ravera and Shaken Salez they have 576 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:38.880 their eye on the ball on two Sons Sports Stage Chef Fox Sports fourteen fifty 577 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.159 streaming live, I mean I heard Radio WAB Welcome back the Valling on Fox 578 00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.559 Sports fourteen fifty. I'm your host, Jago Dalas, my partner, my 579 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.719 usual partner schever VERI is on the road, taken the vacations. I invited 580 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.119 Mike bader Opal and long time two Sons sports guys've been here. We've been 581 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:00.960 having fun, yeah, talking about you know, old man stuff. And 582 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.360 came here in nineteen eighty nine. Nineteen eighty nine, that was my first 583 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.920 year and two sons. By that time, I was like a professional in 584 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:08.800 this town. That's rich. Isn't really true? Because I was with the 585 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:14.320 two Son Mavericks for Oh my god, with the hockey team Merl Miller, 586 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.079 Oh my god, that you. I didn't. I didn't know you ever 587 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.480 with the hockey team. I remember the Mavericks, So you weren't with the 588 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.079 two Sons sky back in the seven l That was when the Mavericks it was 589 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.400 their first year that they never won a game. I was just there in 590 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.159 the off season and I left. I never saw him win and I was 591 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.440 there two months. Wow. And then, uh, all those years with 592 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.000 the Tours. How many years? How many years with the Pearls Sidewinders and 593 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.679 two son Padres fifteen fifteen? Right? Why does it seem like it was 594 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.639 so much longer than that. I don't know. Well, because the Toros 595 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.320 have been here since nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's 596 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:51.280 when I I mean, I was ten years old started going to those games 597 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.719 back then, bat Day, ball Day, hat Day. Come on, 598 00:42:53.800 --> 00:43:00.320 we did that stuff. We did all that stuff, you know, until 599 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:06.000 you couldn't do bad day anymore because people beat the crap out of so Mike, 600 00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:07.440 we've been, we've been, you know, kicking around these uh this 601 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.519 thing with football. Well, we'll talk about some other stuff tomorrow for sure, 602 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.400 because I think things will settle right in the sports. Well, this 603 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.320 has happened in terms of the Colorado stuff. It's news. I know there's 604 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.159 a PAC twelve, a board of directors meeting coming up tonight, and there'll 605 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.840 probably be some nears out of that, but I you know, it's it's 606 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.800 baseball season, and I you know, you and I are big baseball fans. 607 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.280 Um, I'm a Dodger fan, you're a Cubs fan. Chris was 608 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.079 just in here, he's a Yankees fan. But that's not probably not hit 609 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.119 totally his fault. But um, you know, so much going on in 610 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:45.559 baseball. We saw. I love what you know what Showyotany does something cool 611 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.360 every day. Right today, he throws a one hit shutout, complete game 612 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.400 one hit shutout. I guess Troy comes back and saying game hits two home 613 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.079 runs, right, I mean, there's just never been anything like this, 614 00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.719 No, and there probably will never be again, right, Right. But 615 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.039 then the argument because who's he gonna play for? Well, I guess we'll 616 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.400 find that out. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that the speculation is 617 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:13.400 over. Yeah, and that he they say they're keeping him the rest of 618 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.960 the way. I think it'd be a nice story if the Angels got in 619 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.719 shroud, you know, got healthy, right, and to see what the 620 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.119 two of those guys, you know, one of the best players right now 621 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.599 besides show his Mickey moniac. Yeah, he's having a great year. Yeah, 622 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.280 there's you know we're talking to there's so many young guys. And have 623 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.840 you been doing this thing the Immaculate grid or do you know what it is? 624 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.960 I've seen it, but I I've been doing it. I got my 625 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.599 my buddy Dale that I went to high school, so he's basically my age. 626 00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.480 And then he's got a son and I've got a son and they're about 627 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.360 a year apart. So the four of us do it to get kind of 628 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:50.559 compete against each other. To do it. And it's funny because we if 629 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.199 for those of you who don't know what the Imaculate Grid is, it's it's 630 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:57.440 this new online game and you get a grid of nine boxes and they give 631 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.519 you categories and you gotta pick like a guy who's for the Giants and the 632 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.400 Mets or a guy who played for the Giants and had two hundred hits. 633 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.000 And so there's this grid and you got to fill in the grid with all 634 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.800 these players. So we we send our grids to each other with with who 635 00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.400 we picked. Once everybody's picked, we send it to so we can all 636 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.840 see. And it's funny because people cheat online, you can, but we 637 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.400 don't. Okay, we don't, just because it's fun. So you see 638 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.159 my grid, and you see my buddy Dale's grid, and it's you know, 639 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.119 it's it's Tom Sever, it's Joe Morgan, it's you know, it's 640 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.719 Steve Garvey and and all those guys. And you see their grid and it's 641 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.440 all these guys who are playing now and they know all that you as funny 642 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.320 as hell, and and you know, like my son Adam could not get 643 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:52.159 u. There was one it was The category was a gold glove and no 644 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.480 way, No, it was it was a gold glove and forty Homers, 645 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.519 so you had to pick somebody. Uh No, I take that. It 646 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.400 was a gold glove and San Francisco and he didn't think of Willie Mays. 647 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.559 Wow. Right, And I got that one just like that, right, 648 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.119 I got Willie May. And he wasted. And if you guess and you're 649 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:12.880 wrong, you lose that guess. You get nine guesses to fill the nine 650 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.880 box. Right, so if you miss a guess, now you can only 651 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.000 get eight. So he wasted four guesses on that box and never got it. 652 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.119 Wow, Adam, Willie Mays, he goes, Dad. I have 653 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.679 no idea who Willie made as funny as how when I was growing up, 654 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:32.719 it was in Bridley Field. I grew up in Chicago and sat in right 655 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.159 field and with the you know in the bleachers, and I could still tell 656 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.880 you most of those players. But but you know, my god, the 657 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:45.159 guy who played in front of me a lot played for the Pittsburgh Pirates with 658 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.840 the number twenty one on his back. That's where Berto Clemente. Yeah, 659 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:52.760 no idea where Berto Clementi? Wow? You know, I mean you do 660 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.440 you do Pittsburgh and you know there was one that was three thousand hits, 661 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.360 and then there were three teams that you had to pick a guy on each 662 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:00.760 of those three team, and one of them was a Bertalment. I got 663 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.840 that in three seconds, right, And and those guys didn't get it. 664 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.519 Wow. Right, You couldn't think of a Pittsburgh guy that had three thousand 665 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.960 hits, right, So it's just they You know, they might have gotten 666 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.599 Barry Bonds. I think Barry Bonds got his three thousand hits, right, 667 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.480 Yeah, so they might and because all you had to do is play have 668 00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.159 played for Pittsburgh at some point. So that's how the grid works, right. 669 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.159 We have a blast with It's a lot of fun. But the daily 670 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:30.119 every day, the new one comes out every day. The contrast of their 671 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.280 players and our players is really funny. Like I keep turning up Tommy John. 672 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.960 I hated that guy from what he did. You know that that the 673 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.320 Dodgers saved his career, built him a new arm, and then he went 674 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:44.159 to the Yankees. But I know all the teams that he played for, 675 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.760 So every time the Dodgers and that team comes up, I don't tell me 676 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.599 John in there. You know I have some of these go to guys you 677 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.159 know, another another a go to guy that played for a bunch of teams 678 00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:57.679 and was a Dodger for reperiod. Gary Sheffield played a bunch of guys like 679 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.440 that. So you remember all these things and then then other times, you 680 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.599 know, you know. One of the things that I do was I go, 681 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:06.519 I say a box, I miss. It's got like like, I 682 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.159 don't know anybody from the Marlins except my Piazza. People forget that when he 683 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.280 left the Dodgers, he first went to the Marlins before he went to the 684 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.000 mess. But I don't know any other Marlins, you know, And it's 685 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.239 crazy to the Marlins come up and I'm like, I'm not gonna get any 686 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.760 of those. Gary Sheffield, well Gary Sheffield, but you have to match 687 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.639 up on another team. But it's it's fun. But the point being that 688 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.719 today I don't know who these guys you see, I do because I'm in 689 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.880 I'm in too fantasy. Yeah, well I'm in a fantasy league too, 690 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.599 But I couldn't name you my whole team right now. I know some of 691 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.760 my guys. I know the Dodgers on my team, right I know, 692 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.039 I've got not well he's not a Dodger again, key K Fernandez. I 693 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.320 know, did you see him dancing in the DIY I did well? He 694 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.599 I said, you know, he played when I went to Fenway's he was 695 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.159 the starting shortstop that day. He was like, he was one of my 696 00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.800 favorite guys on the World Series team. But you know there's guys like that 697 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.079 that I know some of these guys. But honestly, I swear to God, 698 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.800 I could. You know, I could probably name you eight of my 699 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.679 guys because you know you got it. You go on, you do the 700 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.800 draft ESPN. They give you players, right, you take the best available 701 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:16.960 and that's who you got. You know, I know I've got three. 702 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:21.280 I know I've got three, uh three Diamondbacks. I've got Christian Walker, 703 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.800 can Tell Marte and Zach Gallant. Those are good, really good guys. 704 00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:28.440 Well, the first two are doing pretty well. My team sucks, right, 705 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.079 my team sucks, But I've got you know, I've got uh Will 706 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.679 Smith catching for the Dodgers. Good player, good good player. I've got 707 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.719 Manny Machado I took and I got one. So those are the guys that 708 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.320 I can think of. That's what's killed me right now. We can talk 709 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.840 about baseball tomorrow, but watching the pontres I. Still I was sure they 710 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.400 were gonna make the playoffs this year, even lately, and I thought dated 711 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.199 chance. Yeah, and they're just, oh, losing to the Pittsburgh Pirates. 712 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:58.000 Terrible. Come on, they've been terrible. And you know, and 713 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.079 Machado and Soda they're okay. There's a lot of players who have their stats, 714 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:06.880 right, a whole bunch of guys that have their stats, and it's 715 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:10.079 it's it's frustrating for me. And but you know, my my my team 716 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:14.480 goes through spurts, and right now it's in another bad spurt. I've had 717 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:19.599 more bad than good. I think there's where we're a twelve team league and 718 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.280 six teams make the playoffs and I'm like an eighth right now, I'm not 719 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.079 even in the playoffs, right, I don't know. It's you know, 720 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:30.679 when I first started to a fantasy baseball, I remember my first year of 721 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.199 Fascy Baseball nineteen eighty eight, and uh, you know, we're you know, 722 00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:38.280 we had to get the sports page out scores down. Then you knew 723 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.800 the players because you had to look up every day. I check on my 724 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.760 team every two or three days, right, you know, because it's not 725 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.159 a bunch of money or anything like that. So that's that's what I do. 726 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.400 But I'm at a loss for a lot of today's players. Now, 727 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:57.000 I will say that today, Um, when I had to get was it 728 00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:01.199 was forty homers and the padres for not a tatoos. I was all over 729 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:05.960 that. I knew that one right away. But that's that's the that's the 730 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.079 exception when it comes to the guys that are playing today. So anyways, 731 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.519 but crazy stuff, Mike, Uh you know, I'm like you. I'm 732 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.760 like I wish things just wouldn't have all the way back to when Texas and 733 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.719 Oklahoma left the Big twelve. Wish none of this were happened. I liked 734 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.880 it the way it was. It's the almighty dollar, right, I liked 735 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.960 it the way it was. Right, It's not that way. It's never 736 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:36.400 gonna but it's my dad, you know, since passed, I couldn't follow 737 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.880 baseball in the later years because of all the trades. You never knew who 738 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.480 was on your team, right well, you used to follow teams now you 739 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:46.519 fright players, right right? You and I still follow teams, right right. 740 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.920 I'm still a huge Dodger fan, but I can't name me the whole 741 00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.920 Dodger starting lineup the way the way I could in nineteen eighty eight, in 742 00:51:55.039 --> 00:52:00.480 nineteen seventy seven, and you know those World Series eighty one, those series, 743 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.559 I can still name the you know, the starting the starting lineup for 744 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.199 maybe not the batting order, but the positions. I can do that for 745 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.199 the Cubs in the sixties and seventies, seventy seventeen, seventy seven and seventy 746 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.039 eight teams that they went to the World Series. You know, for the 747 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.239 seventy three team that went to the World Series, I could name all those 748 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.320 guys, right, you know, the Garvey, Lopes, Russell and say 749 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.559 right, and I'm I'm William Santo and Banks exactly exactly, and I can 750 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.239 name some of those guys. All right, Hey, I appreciate you being 751 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:32.280 here and look forward again. You over here again. Tomorrow we're gonna agree. 752 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:37.360 We're at Brian Jeffries. We'll talk about Arizona football, uh more from 753 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.159 you know, on the field standpoint, what Brian looks to, looks to 754 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:45.719 see happening. They start practice next Wednesday. Media day is Tuesday, and 755 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.840 then Jake Fisher will commando. We'll talk to him about the Colorado stuff, 756 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.320 so we'll be we'll be back tomorrow. So thanks for being here and thanks 757 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:53.280 for listening, and we'll be back tomorrow