Sorry trying this name. And you know what I did. I screwed this
up. Well if you sent this to me as the All Stars intro and
I just kept it for everything. I just screwed it up because this is
obviously the USA two And uh it's the wrong bumper. What are you gonna
do? I like him? What weapons it happens? What's up? Everybody?
Welcome to Challenge the podcast all about the Challenge this time around on CBS.
I am being of a Sweet Tea, joined in person in studio by
whoever wants to go first, Carl and San Diego. I drove a whopping
seven hours to get down here. Yeah, Zachie Bananas closely related to our
third place finisher, Johnny Bananas. I'm Alison Zach's girlfriend. I drove five
hours man, Yeah, and all over from all over the country driving here.
Yeah. The voice that we are missing tonight is mister Woolford himself.
Yeah, who would have had to drive about six miles to show up tonight.
But he has a sore throat, so he is not feeling well.
He texted us at six forty five in the morning saying that he was not
feeling well. We have kept in contact all day and he's not here tonight.
Yeah, but we had fun without him. We did, we did.
We had a great day. Yeah, we really did. It was
thank you to the patrons. We used all of that cash to take us
out to do axe throwing in celebration of this finale and the ax throwing portion
of it we did. We did an escape room which we won, which
is exciting. We won the escape rooms. Yeah, went out to a
steakhouse for dinner. It's amazing. Alson is saying best takes she's ever had?
Was it really all good to hear? And we dined under Zach caught
it. We dined under a portrait of Christina of Challenge fame. Yes,
we went to a steakhouse where all the famous people. Yeah, and they
come to Peoria and she's a stand up comedian, so it was sort of
fitting that we were by the challenge. I came her last name, Yeah,
Christina from Road Rules down Under. It's like a weird Polish name.
It's like, yeah, Polenski or something something with a ski at the end
of it. So thank you very much to all of the patrons. Patron
patrons, patre Yeah, that's right, patrons. I just want a point,
you know, like no shape to Wolfy. But I'm pretty sure there
was no delay between the start of the show and the bumper. Oh yeah,
Carlin's on it. I have also, I've been itching for the last
few minutes to actually hit it. Yes, just be like, are we
done? Are we done with the let's go, let's do it. I
want to do it. What was this the finale? As is usual with
the finale, I'm gonna get a little shitty drunk tonight. So let's get
excited about that, and we're gonna take phone calls. But before we take
phone calls, we're going to regroup about just the episode ourselves. Yep,
it'll be a little bit more free form tonight because we do not have notes
totally free form. We're not going to go in order. We're just sort
of gonna gonna wing it. Goose Force wants enough. We think wolf he's
actually sick or just faking No, I think he's actually sick. I do
too, But I also think that he's also being a baby. It can
be both can okay, but he might be being a baby. But I
also don't want a sick person around me because I have a seven hours ride
tomorrow, and I really don't want to do that sick. I told you
that on the way home. I'm a little torn as to whether or not
I want Wolf be here. Yeah, Like, I like the guy and
I want him to help me co hosts and all this stuff. But yeah,
I don't want to get sick. It's a bummer that he's not here.
He would have brought his lovely lady friend Cindy. Yes, so it's
a bummer that she's also not here, but I don't want to get sick,
So he would have bought Margot. My dog, Reya is here,
so I'm sure she will make noise in the background at some point in time.
Yeah, cases he can call in, Yes he can. I don't
know she's planning to. We've gone over this, kay, is she no?
She's saying that Wolf he could call in, Oh gotcha? Yeah,
which we discussed with the Wolf. Yeah, and we talked to him about
calling in just doing the show from his place, but uh, he's not
feeling well on enough for it, so may he'll call him later just say
hello. I hope he calls in to say hello. I did see he
texted us earlier, staying to call him near the end of the show and
he'll just give an overview of his opinion on the episode. Okay, all
right, well we can do that. All right. Well, who wants
to talk like the finale? First, Allison, was this your first Challenge
finale? It was the first show I started with the Challenge, but I
went back and watched USA one. Okay, the first season of the USA
very poor showing of it. Yeah, told me that you're gonna hate the
finale, and I was like, it can't be that bad. And then
I was like, no, I hate it. Yeah. I told her
that's not like because she's like, Oh, I'm gonna watch one season to
see if it's something I want to stick with. I'm gonna do USA one.
I was like, please don't do that season. You will never watch
the show again. Yeah, that is not a good showing of challenges that
the season until the final. Yeah, the season was great until the final
and then the final half the people quit. So I'm much happier with the
season's finale. And then I also watched fresh Meat too, I think so
technically third Allein, Yes, and what was your opinion of west On Freshman
Too? Not my face I was when he left, I was like,
bye, Yeah, I converted her. He was definitely not he was he
was not great on the season. He liked him a lot more this season.
Yeah, so yeah, he's grown up and a lot of these challenges
have grown up. And that's part of the fun of it is seeing them
in their twenties and then their forties. Yeah, they have kids and everything,
which is kind of fun. Zach, what do you think of the
final just generally this one? I hated it. Yeah, I hated everything
about it. Everything about it. One of the worst things. Yes,
get out of here. I feel like day one is irrelevant. I feel
like the advantages in day two, you know, are way too strong.
They basically determine who wins. And Johnny didn't win, so it's like a
bad ending to a great season. He just said that he's she's calling you
out. Kay, you are not wrong. That is a big part of
it. No, I was telling Alisons like people are gonna say, like,
oh, you're only feeling that way because Johnny didn't win, And yes,
and Johnny one I would have been happy that the advantages worked for him,
but still say it was a bad final over I think it when it
when it really comes down to it, that's my biggest problem is that the
the advantages were too big. For throwing an axe, you get to cut
one point two miles off of that's that's fifteen minutes. If you're reading uphill
on a mountain, that's a long time. And then the difference between driving
and a TV for two miles or running two miles, Yeah, that's a
huge Yeah. So let's do a real quick overview on the challenge for those
because this is a recap podcast for those who didn't potentially didn't watch it or
whatnot. Starts off, they have Day one is a bunch of just games
that they get to play to try and get a one minute advantage. You
can double down for a two minute advantage if you win or you lose,
two minutes if you lose. If you just finish middle of the pack,
it's just one minute off, no big deal. But by the end of
that day there were five games that they go through and that's when we have
the eating challenge. That's when we have four games, sorry, four games
that they went through. So they had eating, They pulled a sled with
weights, puzzles, did a puzzle, and they did a trivia spelling event
and by the end of it the two things to pull out of a few
things to pull out of it. Corey is down five minutes because he doubled
down and lost, and then he lost all three of the other ones.
He lost every round. Johnny Bananas is up by two minutes, so he's
he's got the advantage of two minutes because he won two things. Almost everybody
else is up one minute. And then there's who was the one person tory?
Now it was down by one minute one here's one. Ok So yeah,
I mean I I really liked the eating challenge, but you know that's
me. So anyway, real quick, they did day one and then they
went to bed for what we saw, and then they woke up the next
morning and did the actual finale, actual final, ran the ten miles and
then we had the winner. And I know we know this because we discussed
it today, but Chris pointed out that there was a night portion of the
challenge that got cut out. Yeah, yeah, we talked about that.
Who wants to explain that this unseen night portion. I just heard about it
for the first time today with you guys. I'm not sure. So unfortunately,
Wolfe was the one who had the details about this. He gave it
to us yesterday. So apparently Chris and DESI went on one of the podcasts,
I don't know if it was the Challenge podcast or Johnny's podcast or what,
went on one of the of the podcasts and talked about how there was
an overnight challenge that we didn't see where they had to stand on stones or
blocks or something and collectively as a group in their heads, had to count
to one hour and they had to call it at one hour between either one
hour and an hour and five minutes, and if they got it on the
outside of either of those two numbers, they had to restart the count.
And apparently that happened three times. People got super dehydrated and tired and a
sort of things. So that's why people were very out of it the next
day. So there was an up all night that we didn't see. Because
who knows why I had no impact on the game is my understanding? Like,
yeah, the only impact that it seemed to have on the game was
that Mikayla was she was she seemed very dehydrated. I didn't really notice on
anybody else. Yeah, I didn't either, I mean every like the point
of these finals is to be run ragged and be terrible and miserable by the
end of them. So that's we saw that. But yeah, I wish
we would have seen the up all night portion many something about it. Yeah,
I could have done with a two hour episode. That'd been fine.
I think that's true. I complained about a ninety minute episode. We need
ninety minutes on a finale when you have when you have a multi day finale,
I feel like it warrants an hour and a half episode. Yeah,
yeah, I think so two It should have been ninety minutes if you ask
me, Like a lot of the old seasons where they used to do like,
you know, two episodes total, like you know, two back to
back weeks. Right, yeah. Yeah. Well, so let's go through
the games at the beginning first, so we've got the games to get the
advantage of a minute or two minutes or whatnot, we have spelling which,
well, they pulled us slid first. Oh sorry, they pulled us slid
first. Qurey doubled down on and then because he's got to be the strongest
guy there. Yeah, but then this was the thing, I know,
nobody's screwed it up. That's bad. Yeah. I think Chris had a
really good strategy on this of just take the two and go take the two
and run with them, because then you can come back and get the other
two and hopefully you'll beat ups of them, right yeah, because it's everybody
else is trying to pull three and then come back and get the one,
and so they're automatically can go solo. So if you can take two and
you can run faster than all of them and drop those off, they all
have to come back to get their fourth anyway, So why don't you come
back and pick up the third and fourth and then go a little bit further.
I think that was a good gamble on his part. I do too
well, and I just like that he had a strategy he just like in
his talking head he's like, this seems like a dumb strength thing. I'm
not the strongest, so I have to think of a different way to do
this. He reminded me a lot of Jordan. I feel like Jordan would
do something like that totally. And Banana's too, I mean, sort of
the challenge great well, Bananas didn't though. Banana's full great example, but
it's like the challenge greats figure this out. I sort of look at the
game and figure out, maybe the best way to win is not the most
obvious. You've got to like sort of figure out the way to do this.
Yep. And Chris figured it out like on the fly, which is
really I thought that was really cool. Yep. I agree. The women
just I don't know that there was anything remarkable out of out of their heat.
Mikayla I think one, yeah, Mikayla won that portion. I don't
remember if there was Tory or Vessel that was like, we can't like Chris
win because it'll be really I think it was feesty. It would be really
embarrassing. Yep. And that oh god, such shudd and frey to this
episode and watching FESSI just yeah, that was rate watching. Oh yes,
better than watching Christmas. That's the That's the one. The one thing that
I didn't mention. So the last female and male challenger to reach it to
the second checkpoint on the second day is out. They don't get to go
to the third checkpoint because there are three checkpoints on day on day two,
right, okay, So first one was pulling the blocks, the second one
was spelling spelling. Yeah, I was unimpressed with that one. Yeah.
They were like, does he made a point of because none of these words
were necessarily hard? And does he made the point of, like I have
double down on this, and like these people are I don't know if this
game is just getting in their head, but these are not hard words.
I mean, Zach and I were talking about it. We were like,
it'd be one thing if they were like hanging upside down over water and his
spell, but they were just you're just spelling. You're you're comfortable, You're
standing in a field, standing in a field, like, yeah, there's
nothing, there's no stakes to this game. Anti. Yeah, that's what
Elizabeth in that chatroom says. A spelling challenge for a final was lame.
It was you know, I thought I I did think it was lame at
first, and then kind of thought about it like, oh, okay,
so these are just advantages on the first day of things that you can have
for the second day. And it called me down a little bit. Yeah,
but after how the second day went and being that the advantages of the
first day were kind of negated by the advantages of the second day, Yeah,
it riled me back up. A little bit, but I didn't I
didn't mind the like you get advantages on the first day that will impact your
second day. I didn't mind that format, yeah, which has always been
kind of an issue of the challenge, but we've talked about that before.
How you get all these advantages on day one then gives you like a thirty
second head start. Well, yeah, I mean I feel like the one
that everybody always comes back to is the one where Kenny and Wes pulled like
way ahead at one point in time. Yeah. Yeah, Kenny and West
pulled way ahead, and then the next day they had like a one minute
head start or something like that, finished like ninety minutes ahead of the next
time. Yeah, one, and that equated to a three minute head start
day two, which is like super Yeah. So this is and I mean
that is also part of this game is that there is always there are always
these is this game is never fair. There are always these ridiculous advantages that
some people get that you shouldn't be getting, and it has always been that
way, but some of them just feel a little bit more. There was
that other one we had where Carl one whereas like Zach completely dominated, yes,
and then Car one because yeah, like toad start or something yep,
yep. So all that sucks, but you know, then we got to
eating. Then we got to eating. So the eating was they had a
rice cracker with sabi on it. They had a chili pepper truffle. They
had a milkshake made out of not really a shake made out of horseradish and
sauer kraut, and then they had was it tofu? I don't remember what
the what the curd was. It looked like it looked like with meal worms
and something else in it. Were we probably I wonder what would have happened
it because I as this started, I thought, Festy's not going to do
any of this. Beess he finished it. I couldn't believe, and quickly
too. The second place on the TJ gave him props for it too.
I couldn't. But you think best practiced this. I I think that it's
so I had. Like we said earlier, we have talked about We've been
around each other for the last day and a half, so this has come
up in conversation a few times. I don't feel like this eating challenge was
that big of a deal like I would have honestly happily eaten everything on those
plates in comparison to what they've had in previous seasons. Yeah, Like it
wasn't milworms, and yeah, it's all it's all food that you could find
on in a normal America. Almost everything in there is stuff that you could
find in a normal American household. It may not be combined in the same
way, but it's there. I don't have meal worms, but that might
be the one thing that's not in there. But like a lot of people
have horseradish, a lot of people have sauer kraut, a lot of people
have chili peppers and chocolate, and like, none of these things are completely
of the norm. So I would have very happily eaten every single thing on
that on those plates, I would have been standing there with Torri dancing along.
Is that my stuff? I think BESSI did alright, because it's it
was real food. It wasn't a cow's eye, or a pig's heart,
or a lamb's brain or any of these things that we've seen in previous seasons.
Oh, Wolf, he's here. Let's see if he actually joins.
Let me see he's requesting. Let me see if I can get him on.
I wouldn't usually just I would have just stood there, not ate any
like, yeah, give me a minute, I can make a minute up.
Would they have to let you continue if you didn't I see? I
wonder if they would have given a bigger disadvantage if they if you hadn't touched
it. I don't know, Wolfy say something. What's her face? Refused
to do one of the challenges Overnight Challenge was that last season? Yeah,
and they just qualified her Angela. Yeah, so you may have eaten something
maybe. I mean, it seems like whenever the top three finish, like
they did what all the tasks, the fourth person didn't have to complete it?
So, yeah, that's true. But I feel like, may I
take in all of those? Yeah, in all of those they tried at
least, so you would have had to have it. I think you would
have at least had to have tried. Yeah. The Angela thing last season
was a big point of contention for a lot of people because she they did
try but then didn't, And for a lot of people it was and for
a lot of these games, it's if you if you call it like,
it doesn't look like she quit. It looks like she just called it a
night. I'm gonna take the twenty minute penalty and go, which in previous
seasons that hasn't been an issue. So last season was its own last season
of the of USA, it was it's Ball of worms. Nel says it
was a vegan eating challenge and that's why toy did. Okay, but meal
worms can't be vegan, right, those are still no mealworms are definitely not
vegan. Yeah, those are. It seemed like it was live creatures at
one point in time. Yeah, and not all chocolate begin either, So
I do think, yeah, if it has milk and at it, they've
made vegan exceptions for Tori. They have clearly like vegan ice cream on one
of these eating changes, and like they and there's been other challenges when she
has been paired with someone where her partner. When she was paired with Devon,
Devon took the eating challenges because it included meat. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, So I wonder I wonder too if fest he was just shamed
in the off season for that one season that oh my god, because he
did not even he was so bad at it that last season. So I
wonder if part of it was just like I can't do that again. I
can't take like the backlash of people's shaving. I'm sure it was, but
I really do think a massive part of it was that this is all real
food quote unquote real food, right, Like it's it's stuff that you could
find in Like you said, many houses were throwing out though, so that
was pretty Yeah, but I love the throwing hilarious. You like that.
Do you like the eating challenges to throw I do, but probably not for
the same reasons you like. I like watching them trying to eat these ridiculous
things. Yeah, because in my head, it's the like, okay,
so you have to eat this once. This is most of the time,
it's a delicate not mostly a good amount of the time. The food that
they are eating, even though it's really bizarre, it is a delicacy of
that place. So like, there are people who eat this, who have
eaten this for many, many, many, many many years. Yeah.
Nothing though, if you're about to eat it's tarantula or something, it's still
a disgusting But yes, I love the eating challenges that people seem torn.
Whenever I read about the eating challenges online, it's people hating on them.
I love them personally, I can't get enough. I would have an eating
challenge every episode. The throwing up is my favorite part. I laugh like
a maniac. It is the funniest thing in the world to me. But
I think I wonder if the Eating Lovers are just just a quieter bunch who
don't express our love for you. They just too much. I will gag,
but it's hilarious. When I was you like the eating challenges, I
mean I did yesterday or I did it for this one. Shit. I
think I really liked the when they panned over to Chris and Chris is said,
like you've got his talking head of like, yeah, I do really
well. But then Cory's over here just puking his guts out, and it
pans to him and you see Chris just like pluging along on this, and
then all of a sudden, Cory is just wretching in the corner and Chris
goes, Cory, you can't do it. Oh and Mikayla, I know
I've said it a few to Mikayla looks like a bullfrog. That her throat
was like expand like it was just like it was so funny. I was
watching with Daisy, my daughter, and I was just laughing to the point
I couldn't breathe. I was just like that silent laughing, you know when
you're just like face turns beat read and Daisy's just like, dad, what
is wrong with you? I could not contain myself. I just loved every
second of this. I'm generally not a big fan of eating challenges, but
I do enjoy watching Tony eat. Oh yeah, Tony's great, even though
he doesn't bar if he's just like oh man watching him house a bowl.
Male, I I don't know that my stomach will ever be right after that.
You haven't thought of that. They had a they had an eating challenge
years ago where easily a pound of mayo. Yeah, it was literally it
was. It was a full cereal bowl, like heaping cereal bowl of mayo,
a spatula that you had to eat the entire thing that makes me and
he and Carl Maria ate it. And he he got the nickname Tony time
after that because and he ate like four things in a row and just housed
every single one of them. He looked dead in the eyes that he didn't
bar, but his eyes were just like dead, like there's just no life
anymore. I don't know. I don't know. You might have barred when
he got back to the house or something. But Mayo, like I like
mayo and a sandwich, but it's a thin light Mayo and a bowl.
It's just yeah, I'll pass, all right. So was that it for
the qualifier? So is that one? And then what was the last one?
The last one was? I think I think that's the last one we
did. We skipped the puzzle, which I believe that's Oh, that's right.
But also Kay wants to know who wins in the eating challenge, Tony
or CT. Oh, probably Tony. I got to give that to Tony.
I think it depends. I think depends on what it is. Yeah,
because we've seen Tony like that eating challenge that he did. He ate
normal foods. But you know, saying it depends is a total cop id
answer. You can't say that you just got a bet on one. I
mean, I'm gonna bet cet all day every day. Really is a better
eater, just generally than Tony. He drained an entire goblet of blood,
that is think. I think he also drinks ct hands down all day every
day. Because it was Tony might be able to eat it all. But
I think t is gonna eat it faster. Is it real? Yeah?
Oh yeah. It was like a literal goblet. It was. It was
a it was a full goblet of blood. Yeah, and it was dripping.
It looks like the Empire. Great visual because he's got this it's this
giant horn coming out of his mouth and it's just rivers of me wonderful.
After he is eaten like brains and all these others at the top of a
snowy mountains, blood is spattered into white snow on the at the ground.
It's just like great visual, great, great visual, great scene. I
don't think I CT hands down all day every day, all right, he
t is also, I mean I was. I was the other CT for
a little while. Like, no, I get it. That man will
forever and always be one of my favorites. Yeah, I get it.
Uh, the puzzle FESTI did okay in this puzzle too. I think he
and Tory finished first in the puzzle. Oh yeah, they've knocked it out.
Yeah. Yeah, He's not known for puzzles, but there was in
that pattern. He just saw something and was able to figure out that pattern.
Yeah, because it was like a connect four but don't connect four at
all. And I thought it was interesting that almost everybody solved it differently.
There was not a solution to this, it was just finished. I think
they finished exactly the same. Yeah, they both did. The bars were
all different. Yeah, the bar seemed like the smartest strategy. If I
saw that, I was like, oh, that's so genius. Yeah,
it was too that did the bars. I think. I think it was
surprising that Tory was. I was surprised that she was the first one I
finish. But that's I think where she zeroed herself out right, she was
like a deficit and then the puzzle she yeah, she she got herself to
zero again. Yep, all right, so that was the qualifier. Yeah,
so those were the qualifiers. So yeah, after the qualifiers, we
have Johnny's up by two minutes, so he has a two minute advantage.
Almost everybody else has a one minute advantage. No one is at the regular
start time. Chanelle is at a one minute disadvantage. And Corey, I
mean from the beginning he lost all four of them, and he doubled down
on the first one, so he's down by five minutes, five minutes,
and you know he after the third advantage game, he was visibly upset and
crying. And then that fourth game, like the eating challenge, he actually
pulled it out. He's still lost, but he seemed to kind of regroup
and be like, Okay, you know what, I still gotta do this.
We'll be fine. Yeah, struggling, and I mean even that next
day he said, like, I had my pity party last night. I
kind of got all those emotions out. I set this off. I'm ready
to try again, because I think that first aid really took it out of
him. Yeah, he was pretty demoralized. Yeah. Well, for the
finale was a pretty straight shot. It was a ten mile run up a
mountain. We've seen this in a lot of finales, both check mountain that
was a hill, well whatever, with checkpoints along as it ended up above
tree line that was a hill. Well either way. It was a pretty
typical challenge finale formula. But the checkpoints checkpoints are where we had issues.
TJ says that you can either do them for an advantage. You don't have
to do them the first two. That's right, Yes, the first two
you you can either do them or not, but you don't have to do
them. But then you will be purged if you're last place. Yep.
If you were the last place at the second challenge, you will be gone.
Yeah. And one day I thought he said, which maybe I'm missing
back coach where he said that if you attempt them and fail, you get
punished. Yeah, he did say that, but I don't know. I
I think the punishment was just like you have to do the normal route,
you don't get the advantage, and it's the time that you spent doing it
probably, yeah, but it was either way, the disadvantages and the advantage,
like it was all this was where the kind of final went wrong.
This. Yeah, these advantages were stupid. They were too it was too
much of it of an advantage. There was no disadvantage if you decided to
try. Yeah, like you should always try pretty much. Yeah. I
mean these weren't like super time consuming tasks. I mean, especially the act
that it took like ten to fifteen seconds. Well, I mean we proved
it today. You can get you can throw that act in the first half
a second and be done. Ye. Go, And if you have them
all right next to you and you just throw throw, throw, you could
be down in like ten fifteen seconds. Yep. I did. I did
appreciate when they were all starting. I think they you know, Johnny Goes,
the rest of the group goes, Chanelle Goes, and TJ and Corey.
You're just standing with TJ Goes. Corey, you want to go to
an app cars, I'm gonna. I'd have the time I was. I
appreciated how I appreciated his spirits in the second day, Like even though he
was down seven minutes from Johnny, he still had a good, a good
attitude about it all. I was kind of like, you know what,
I'll be fine, We'll do this, We'll be good. I do think
there's challenges. I think maybe even FESSI would have just been like, just
forget it. If if we're gonna have a purge at the end of this
day anyway, yeah, I'm not gonna let's just forget it. But Corey
was like, I'm gonna do my best. I'm gonna try and I do.
Yeah. I just I really I really like Corey. Yeah, he
was. He was good this challenge. So we're on the ax throwing YEP,
which if you get an axe in the board in five tries, you
trim one point two miles off of this yeah, which I mean one points.
So if you if you're a decent runner, I mean it's not even
classic products, you could do it and say minutes. Yeah, if you're
like a military guy, flat service, you're a good runner. Yeahs.
And most of these people, right, yeah, most of these people are
very in shape. So let's give it ten minutes. You can do You
can do a mile up a hill in weird terrain with a rock in ten
minutes. And that is on the far outside of this. Yeah, like
this is a this is what a thirteen minute advantage, which is for throwing
an axe for something that takes half a second. Well, and for if
you get it on your first shot it takes you ten seconds to do.
Yes, it might have taken you another minute to throw a five yep.
So then you're at fourteen minutes or whatever it is. Yeah, so then
you have to do this this long circuitous route rather than going straight through.
But only two people were not able to sink that ax yep. TORII took
the wrong route. Yeah, so fay, they highlighted it and I didn't.
I didn't catch it at first, but they highlighted it that FESSI,
even though he did not get the advantage, he still took the short cut.
So it sounds like there has been a little buzz about this. Yeah,
Zach, you follow us on social media more than I do. But
from what I've read, most people, most of the challengers even are saying
that FESTI did this on purpose, knew it was the shortcut, took it
anyway, and was hoping he wouldn't get caught. And I guess Bessie went
on one of these podcasts and said, oh, I thought my last one
stuck, and it didn't. But if you watch him throw it very obvious
fucking over the board, yeah, it wasn't close, it didn't almost stick
and then fall out. I think Betty's just trying to trying to get around
this, but I think he. I think he absolutely was trying to cheat.
He got caught, yeah, and that's how that happened. I think
he was pissed that Chris has done so well. Yeah, and he wanted
to try and make up the fact that Chris was ahead of him. Yeah,
because it's making him look like a real asshole. I mean, he
already looks like an asshole, but they go after targeting Chris all season,
and now Chris is ahead of you. I like it was a little bit
of a I'm gonna try and try and beat him at his own game and
just didn't work. Yeah, I think it was. I think it was
pathetic. What did Yes, this whole thing not saying it's it's fair that
you lose that hard based on an act throwing challenge. I mean it's not.
But at the same time, like it's what it is. I think
this is going to be something that brands him going forward. I hope.
So. I really I feel like he I feel like challengers may look at
him differently. Yeah, I definitely think fans are going to look at him
differently. I hope. So does he have fans? All the talk I
see online is like fucking Fetti is the worst he is this guy? Oh
man? But yeah, so they we get to the second challenge and it's
what was the second challenge? Was it's the rock one? Oh? Yeah?
So they had to balance they had to do a balance Is that not
the third that was the center blocks? So second one, they had a
they had a a scale that one side was chalked up and empty and or
chalked up in full and the other side was empty, and you had to
fill the empty side and then pull a lever to remove the chalk from the
full side and get it to balance. I thought that that you had to
get it to balance perfectly or like as close as possible. But Chanelle was
the last one and she was like, it was there was a solid like
foot and a half difference. It was still all was not accurate. It's
closer. It was closer, but Deasy was almost perfect on there. But
Chanelle was like, yeah, this was just all on the ground. Well,
yeah, Chris is the first one to do it, and when his
was kind of off, I was like, oh, it just means it
hit doesn't at the ground, right, It is what I guess. Yeah,
Zach, I want to hear your perspective on this because I've been thinking
about this. Banana's completely fucked up. This he did to the challenge Banana's
first elimination. Do you remember what that one was? It was it was
like, uh, I cam with the rock lifting. Yeah, and so
he bet that Tyler was going to be unable to carry this certain amount of
rocks. Yes, And Tyler did it completely easily with absolutely no problems at
all. So I think we've found Banana's main weakness here. He's not gonna
wait, judge, he's terrible at estimating weights of things. Yeah, and
like what a fucking weird ass weakness for a person to have. But well,
something that that was relatively I mean, I don't want to say easy,
but relatively easy. I mean because everybody else got it. Everyone else,
they got it. Yeah, he's the only one that failed. Yep,
and failed it by a lot. It was not close when he pulled
that leverage, just right to the ground. But again, major point of
shot in Freida uh FESSI is one of He's like the second guy to show,
maybe third guy to show, a second guy to show up at the
second challenge, and TJ's standing there and goes, you got to turn around,
go back, go do another half a mile, half mile there,
half mile back, because you took the advantage that you were not given.
And he said something to Bananas like they're making me come back and run this
thing again. Yeah, Like, dude, you you literally cheated, not
like a like, oh I kind of I've just messed up. No,
no, no, you literally cheated. Yeah, you didn't just take a
wrong turn like Natalie did in her final and ran extra like no, no,
no, you straight up took the shortcut that was marked as shortcut.
So it's one of those things that they said that the last place was going
to be cut, and I think once they didn't hit the axe in the
board, it's like, don't even bother, like, yeah, you're done.
They should have cut it off right then. Yeah. I mean I
have a feeling they probably thought that either more people would not hit the axe
on the board or everybody would hit the axe on the board. Yeah.
Yeah, so I understand why the second one on one guy didn't hit it
and then it just so happened, I mean not just so happened, but
then they were both out. Yeah. Yeah, because I don't think that
you could have overcome that. I don't think you could have overcome that.
Yeah, I mean like ten twelve minutes, Yeah, doesn't matter how when
when you started or whatever you're going to get past in that. If you
were if you were quite a bit ahead, if you were maybe five minutes
ahead, yeah, and you were not to make it and then head off,
maybe you could have. Yeah. I mean if you if you picked
up your axes and you just chucked it and chucked it and chucked it,
and you didn't wait that, you didn't wait for it to hit you,
just the moment that you let it go, you picked up the next one
and threw it again. Then you could get through that ax throwing challenge pretty
quickly. Yeah a minute, I mean yeah, thirty second, like less
than thirty seconds even, And yeah, I feel like that if you'd done
if someone had done that, then they could have potentially not gotten the advantage
but still been able to make it to the second checkpoint without too much of
an issue. I feel like you would have beat yourself up though, if
you just and you missed them all, even like I messed it up.
I should have slowed down. Yeah, I mean you should have slowed down.
But at the same time, like I don't know. Yeah, as
we learned today in ax throwing, I hit none of them what twelve throws,
and then we started a game and I was like in in yeah,
whereas I hit all of the all of the practice runs in the moment we
started game, on the floor, on the floor, on the floor,
on the floor. Yeah, unpredictable and bananas is they're saying, I've never
thrown an axe in my entire life. First one boom in the board.
It's there's some luck, there's a lot of skill, but it did It
did seem unfair to me that it was sort of like, you don't get
the axe on the board, then you're out. And that's how that worked
out. And that's that's kind of shitty for Tory and Festi, but fuck
Festy song kind Yeah, it's funny because Beetsy posted a picture on Instagram saying,
you know, right after saying that before the season, he went and
practiced ax throwing and posted a photo of him out there doing acts throwing.
Did he really? Yeah, he was not able to pull it out.
That's great, And Corey was doing everything wrong, but he managed to get
one in yeah, in the board, So that's kind of all that matters,
I guess. Yeah. So yeah, at the at the second checkpoint,
they've got the scales. If you made the checkpoint, if you if
you got it right, then you got to get on an ATV and write
an ATV to the next almost all the way to the next checkpoint. Yeah,
so two miles again, what a fucking advantage. Yeah. So Mikayla
and Desi showed up at checkpoint in two at the same time and desire.
I think it was Johnny Johnny, So Desi decided, no, I'm going
first. She Yeah, she immediately jumps on the on the scale and starts
putting stuff in there, and Mikayla stands there for a second, and because
Johnny's on the other scale, Mikayla makes the decision to just keep going and
she starts off running. Frankly, not a bad decision, Yeah, same
thing, Like it didn't work out for her, But I don't falter for
doing it. Yeah. No, we don't know how long that took them
to do that, Yeah, because I mean if you think about it,
like picking up a rock that weighs ten to fifteen to twenty pounds and putting
it into this scale and kind of looking at it, judging it like this
is something that could take you five ten minutes, Like who's taking them out?
How long does that take? Yeah? The resetting of it, yeah,
yeah, because she could have been standing there for fifteen minutes, frankly,
waiting for Desi to finish and then unsetting it and all this stuff.
I mean, she did not make a bad call. Yeah, it was
just I do think and I liked Desi and I you know whatever. It
was sort of shitty of her to just be like it's mine, like I'm
doing it. I mean, they should have flipped a coin or something.
I don't I do not fault Dezie in any way, shape or form.
There don't know if I falter like, I'm glad she won. I was
rooting for michaela more than her, but like not much hates. But it
seems like if you're friends with the person, it's like, maybe we should
flip a coin or rock paper scissors for this. No, I mean age,
Yeah, this is for two hundred fifty thousand dollars. I'm not wrestling
at the ground first. Well, and on top of that, like going,
if Mikayla really had an issue with it, she should have said something.
Yeah. She should have been like, uh no, we know,
we need to figure out another way. We need to flip coin, we
need to do something. I don't care. No, you don't get to
go first. I want to go first. Yeah, No, you're right.
Mikayla should have fought hotter. She said some passive aggressive thing like well,
I guess you're going now, yeah, and then she just took off
running and I can see Mikayla being a little salty about it though it's it's
also the time, and it's the only thing that matters is that DESI kind
of raised her hand first, and you know what I mean, like,
that's not it's a challenge. As Johnny likes to say, all's fair and
love war and challenges. Yeah, no, I don't falter. It was.
It was a big decision and she didn't she made the right one,
and you know whatever. But yeah, it's one of those like I don't
know if that was fair though, but it was. But again, this
game has never been fair. Yeah, right, it's probably I hate that,
but I didn't Kayla's stand. I want Mikayla. I was really happy
with does one? So one? Yeahs number two I ever wanted. Yeah,
did you only like Mikaela because of the shirt she wears? I mean
really good? I know. Yeah. And also he did her dirty by
showing her getting light headed on the side of the road and then never again,
she could have died up there. We would have no idea. You're
giving us a voiceover telling us that nothing. Yeah, speaking of shirts,
you saw that? Have you seen the previous for Challenge thirty nine, Olivia's
wearing the boob shirt. Oh, okay, the like just a wire under
her boobs, boob shirt that you guys were really excited about last season or
the last season she was on. I have a photo with her wearing that
shirt. Oh, apparently it's a staple in her wardrobe. Then you'll see
the shirt if you watch the season. The guys were very excited about it.
Yeah, so they almost everybody gets through this, and then Tory is
the last woman to show up to the second checkpoint and there's a little note.
TJ isn't even there. There's a little note written on a little tablet
saying you were the last person. You were done. That is a shirt.
Sorry, how does a shirt? Oh no, different boob shirt,
A different one, different shirt. It doesn't. The shirt's not what the
focus is. Yes, I understand that the shirt that I'm thinking of is
like under boob and inner side boob. I'm not listening. I'm not looking
at the shirt. That shirt's the same as every other. Look, it's
not the shirt the space between I understand that. Okay, I am an
owner of the space in between, So I don't even I couldn't tell you
what color that shirt was. Zach and I just went to the picture.
I really have no idea. Would ladies, okay, would either of you
ladies ever wear that shirt? No? No, no, not in a
private moment with a special somebody. No no, not a crownded conventional doing
a weird shirt that has like a giant keyhole. What if it's his birthday?
No, well it's the only thing he wants, don't be lad Yeah
it's a high neck. Yeah, it's over you. It's for Zach.
Yeah, but I want to be comfortable with shirt. I don't care if
it's for the person that I'm with. I want to be comfortable in the
clothes that I'm wearing, not even a birthday. Oh, Zach, there
you go, there you go, there you go. There was an I
tried to get to buy for a watch. Vranchirez just like I'm sending it
to you. He really did. He really sent me on. I was
like, well, that's one way to do it, so well, getting
back to the challenge and not your sex life. That's the after show.
You gotta pay for them. Come forward, sex sex life all myself.
Hey, that's my sex life. It's all by myself. Oh god,
we've gotten all the rails Kayla is dead on the mountain somewhere. Yeah,
all right, well for sure, you're good. It is your so.
And then FESSI finally shows up to the second, uh, the second checkpoint,
and he also has a fun little note from TJ saying you are the
last place, bye bye. And you know, I'm just I'm so excited
because this is we rarely see a glimpse behind the curtain of just production fucking
this up, and you know this is a production fuck up. I'm just
like, where's TJ. T just gotta tell him to go home? Oh,
teachers on the other side the mountain, fucking scribble it on something and
leave it. Honestly, I kind of loved it. I don't know that
it was a production fuck up. I liked having I liked them getting a
note more than TJ being there, really, because it was TJ FaceTime call
go the fuck home. Yeah, but I just liked the dismissiveness of a
note like you fucked up, bye bye. There's something to be said for
that. I didn't like the note. I wish that TJ would have been
there. Do we needed we needed to duplicate TJ or a man dressed like
TJO like an awkward voiceover with a science that says I'm TJ. That would
have been great. We could get a TJ fathead, just like a cutout
of TJ with a you're the loser bye bye. Yeah. But Ti and
Tory devastated walking down a mountain together thinking about their bad luck. I was
surprised that Torri was one to go home first. You know, she's kind
of been in that spot quite a few I was more. I was surprised
that she went HU before Chanelle because Chanelle has not done a lot this season,
and I feel like Tory had a better chance of getting a little bit
farther than she did. I agree. I loved that was the first person
to get home. I don't have a beef with SESSI, but I've never
seen it. You get to watch more of a he will his last his
previous season. He was a massive douche and it really turned a lot of
people off. Yeah. No, I but of course as he's walking away,
he is. If you don't think that I'm gonna come back and I'm
gonna win the challenge one of these days, and you're kidding yourself you have
a one, Yet you keep HIPing yourself up, dude, and I don't
know that you were actually able to do this game, like I hope not.
I will be devastated if that ever wins. That'll be my last season
ever watching this. That's gonna it's gonna take the whole It's gonna finish it.
It's just gonna be like I can't watch a show where FESSI is a
champ. Yeah. Well, we saw like at the start of this episode
there's a gonna professional Fetty does where he's like I got this big, you
know, bulky upper body and these tiny legs, like I'm not made for
this long distancing. It's like that's every final you're ever gonna do that though
you just will never win. It's making excuses ahead of time, making excuses
ahead of time. I can't win this final. I'm too strong. He's
also not as bulky as he used to be. Like he in previous seasons
he was built like Corey, like big dude. This season he came back
and he was not toned. He was not toned. Don't body shame,
Carlin, don't body shame. Sorry, it's very rude. I know it
happens. Yeah, But next was the stacking of the cinder black thing in
the order of the eliminated players. We've seen the variations of this, like
stacking in orders of people that have left. Scott says, Pesty's biggest fan
is Fetsy. Yes, yes, fan. Only thing probably what Festy's doing.
I know it's only fan. Oh No, it was weird people destroying
their stacks, which is also something you're supposed to do in the challenge.
But if all you do is knock it over, it's still in order,
right Yeah, I noticed that too. Anything you're not you're not hiding anything.
It's still in the extents you're wanting to just get out of there,
right yeah. But so like in previous seasons, what was one of them?
They there was one Battle of the Sexes is where this started? Yeah,
so they pushing it over has been has been a thing for many years
where if you make it, you don't just leave it up. You push
it over. But there have been there have been a few seasons. I
feel like West may have been on one of the teams. I feel like
DM was on a team at one point time where you push it over and
then you grab a few of them and you just chuck them to the side
or like mix them up a little bit so that it's it's not quite so
obvious what the order is. Yeah, because yeah, you could, you
could pretty easily come back and even though like you're having to carry these cinder
blocks, like as you're carrying them, you can look around. Yeah.
So, but it seemed like nobody even screwed this up. It was Yeah,
it seemed pretty like bank bang bang bang bang, which check was telling
me that, like you said, this was something that's typically done, so
I guess I would just be memorizing as I go. Yeah, that's kind
of what I was thinking too. They can well in fresh meat to the
two winners. They were doing puzzles every time myself. Yeah, they were
doing puzzles in their bed, and I was like, yeah, smart.
Yeah, well, to take it seriously. You can tell the difference between
the people that practice in the off season and take it seriously and yeah,
people who know how to do tanagrams and realize that, like you need to
know the order of people who left, and you need to know the order
of the seasons, because that's another one that comes up a lot. Yep,
Like those those are the people that you see do really really well pretty
often. Yeah, but yeah, I mean that people very easily could have
at least it looked like pretty easily could have seen what Chris did and when
they all knocked him out. Yeah. Maybe or they may have just like
cut out the potential like other checks that they did. Scott brings up a
good pint. Scott says, I thought it was funny that Johnny knocked his
blocks over even though he was last. Yeah, did he walks over?
Yeah? There might just be a muscle memory thing. This is what I
do. And I mean even though he was less, and he probably should
have known that fesse was not coming up behind him. Maybe he had forgotten
that FESSEI was not coming up behind him. Good point, I thought so,
yes, But Kay is also confirmed FESSEI has an only fan, So,
Kay, how long have you been a subscriber? Tell us about it.
But Chris wins after this cinder black thing, it's just a run to
the top, and Chris ran to the top, and one he did.
We haven't talked about him pretty much the whole second day. But he dominated.
Oh yeah, he killed it. He got in first place and never
let he never let up. He rocked the whole thing. Yeah, good
job, Chris, But really, if you think about it, he did
that the whole season. Whole season. I mean, he just you know.
I was thinking about it too. I was like, well, if
Chris comes back, everybody's gonna target him. And then I thought, wait,
everybody already targeted like a whole season and won his way out of it.
Every time I meant to look this was when I was talking with you
and Wolfie last night. I was saying that I meant to look this up.
How many how many rookies have we had come in and win their rookie
season? Well, both of USA won, right, I don't know that
that counts. Sarah definitely doesn't count because they were all rookies last season.
Yeah, Usa, I guess everyone everyone was a rookie that season, and
Sarah only won because everybody else quit. Danny was it was a serious contender,
but Sarah only won because everybody else quit. Yeah. Scott in the
chairm says Turbo. Turbo's win is also extremely impressive, especially War. Yeah,
that was that war. The World's final was nuts in cases Amber,
which is also true, but I feel like her she was partnered with You're
doing it too. Yeah, everybody gives it to CT and not Amber.
But Amber did a really good job. I mean, she did well,
but she was partnered with CT. Yeah, but I feel like that's people's
way of this, and she was partnered with Drell for most of the season.
It's just like their eye rolling at Amber, like, well, yeah,
ever as a cham but it's because of CT. Let's give Amber a
little credit, a little bit of she hasn't done great on the other season
she's been on. Was it Jenny's first season? She want? I think
that was her? Yes, Yes, Jenny won for her first season.
Okay, so there are a few. I don't know that any of them
have had the season yet, lots of feedback. I don't know that any
of them have had a season quite like Chris's though, where he went into
a limination four times, yeah, and won four eliminations, one of the
last two dailies to stay safe, one of the last two dailies, and
then won the entire finale. Yeah, yeah, great, yeah it And
really I do think he had a chip on his shoulder. He had oh
Jenny, it was Jenny second. Oh, that's right, he did have
a chip on his shoulder. He needed to prove that his Survivor win was
not a fluke and that he deserved that too. Yeah, and I think
he showed it here. He's a resilient guy. He's resourceful, he is
out to win. He's also relatively humble. He didn't he doesn't and talk
about how awesome he is. I mean, he seems relatively humble right now.
If he comes back next season, we'll see how it goes. I
think this is also a good way to retire if you're if you're Chris,
you win Survivor, you win the challenge and then just be like peace out.
I'm done. I'm all done. Yeah, I say, Sarah Grayson.
But that was like a group whimton if you count those. Yeah.
Yeah, and also a cousin if we count that. But then like,
oh Jamie, Yeah, all of those like had a newbie partner, So
I guess, no matter what, they're gonna have the first time rookie,
right, m Yeah. And then so Chris finishes, and then Corey is
second place and Johnny benend is his third. Uh. Daisy was first for
the women, Mikayla didn't finish at all, and Chanelle was second, and
Tory was out and Michayla was the biggest shock to me here. Not its
silly that she didn't win, but she didn't finish is weird. I wish
you would have known about what happened, Like we could assume she got dehydrated,
and yeah, I just couldn't continue, But they didn't really give us
like an actual explanation as to what was going on. I do part of
me wonders if it's one of these like, well, you can keep going,
but you've already lost, and she was just like, well then my
bother, which I get, but I don't know. Yeah, I would
have liked to see your finish well. And then when we were talking to
Wolfe last night, he was saying the other thing that Chris and Dessi were
saying on the podcast they were on was they were asked, you know,
how long until the next person came when you finished? For Chris it was
like twenty minutes, half an hour before Corey showed up, and it was
the same thing for Desi. It was twenty minutes half an hour before Chanelle
showed up. So there was a decent gap ye in between them. But
I do wonder too if it was closer, if Corey would have tried harder,
gone faster. Well, so I had I really do want it,
so like, I kind of feel like him having a five minute disadvantage really
put a fire under his ass to to do really well. Because Corey did
great. He did great in this finale, and I kind of feel like
if he didn't have that disadvantage to start off with, that he wouldn't have
had that same fire. Yeah, yeah, that's probably true too, So
I think he probably would have come in second or third regardless. Yeah,
which is unfortunate. But I kind of feel like he's I feel like he's
also a le ro. A character of he is. Corey is is lovable
and he's fun to see and we like him that the man is never gonna
win. And yeah, I like Corey too. I like that in his
sort of success speech, he was very human like to me as a dad,
I love it when he talks about his kids and question had the picture
of his kids and talked about what he's crying again, I'm getting it.
Yes, it's really he's like I, you know, I like the people
I can relate to, and I do relate to the dads who say they're
doing it for their kids and they and when Corey said, like, ye
I did my best. I didn't quit. I came in second. My
kids are going to be proud. It's like you could tell he meant that
and he felt that, and he that was a mature adult thing to say.
Other than fassi, He's like, oh, I'm gonna win it someday,
you know. So I didn't win because it's not fair and I don't
know. It just seemed like very humble and mature, and yeah, I
just really agree. I appreciated that. Johnny Banana is the best name one.
It's like, good job. Yeah, way to appreciate that, Chris
Well. I mean, I can't give him too much credit because Johnny has
won seven of these, so yeah, it's like if he wins another,
then like okay, cool, you want another. And if he loses,
like he true true, I mean I guess I do have to give it
to him a little bit. Whatever. He was like the best, come
on, we're talking right after They're like, well, not right after that,
but this point she and I were watching the Banana's backpack and even there
Johnny like when he lost, it's like, hey, Cee, T got
me, Like, good job, man very positives, like you know,
I'll be back next time. Yeah. Ye, but I think everybody knew
this was Chris's season. Yeah, I mean he is, he was shown
up. Yeah, Chris is very impressive and apparently has a huge penis.
Yeah. Why do we call him Chris Hungerwoods Underwood? But Chris Hungerwood?
Who calls him this? Because it's you know, when you're on Survivor,
you're in your underwear for nine days straight. So apparently he was just flapping
away. You know, why is it that today I've learned about different guys
I didn't want to know. You didn't need to know. I did not
need to challenge I didn't. I guess I won't tell you other penis trivia
that I know about. Allison learned about guys. You know it's weird.
Well, so Allison learned about Johnny Banana sex tape today. I was offered
to watch it and declined. Chat room, do you know any other penis
trinia? Please? The chat room is debating about who is the smartest young
buck and who's the dumbest young buck? What do you guys? So we've
got one hundred Tony is honorary adjacent to the they are all real dumb.
He's got to be the dumbest, though, what was it dumbest, smartest?
Yeah, I would really love to see all of them have to do
the count the triangles challenge, Peanut Butter and Nicole and Corey. I will
never forget that. So Alison to explain. In in one of the previous
seasons, there was a in the finale, there was a challenge. One
of the checkpoints was there was a a picture of a triangle and it had
multiple triangles within it, So it was it was divided in a bunch of
these different triangles and they had to within this whole triangle, they had to
count how many triangles were in there. Okay, I've seen things like that,
Yeah, things that are similar. So ultimately the whole part of this
is there was also like a little bit of a math puzzle that went with
it, and ultimately it showed that you had to be able to divide,
to divide that number by nine and there so there were there were twenty seven
triangles in this thing, and they they're looking at it and they're counting the
triangles that are really obvious, but they don't start counting the one like making
bigger triangles out of little triangles, that sort of thing. They go,
they go to the board that has all the wards on it and they start
telling the potential triangles of like what is inside the A and what is inside
letters? And they're like, do these count of triangles? Can we just
carry the whole thing with this? It's like, it was I don't know
that I've ever laughed so hard. It's just so funny because both of them
looked so dumb. Yeah, yeah, it was. None of the young
bugs are smart. Nelly's got to be the dumbest. Kay was saying she
thought that Corey was the smartest, but after this episode, she's questioning that,
why would you Cory do in this episode that was so stupid? I
mean, I think you had a good episode of spelling, terrible spelling,
but yeah, Hunter has been absolutely terrible at trivia and puzzles before. Nelly
is just a moron. Good spirit though that I I I am impressed by
the fact that you're willing to pour a beer over a over your laptop.
But all right, I got skills. I got skills. Not a drop,
not a drop spilled. If we suddenly just like go off the air.
You know why so hard you'd have laughed, very cruel. I mean,
she wouldn't have been Oh, I would expect it from my teeth.
In not a religious person, you should pray for me if I spelled beat
her up my here, you wouldn't. It's not it's not worthy of that.
But I do. I think uh, Nellie and Corey have both like
their spirit is positive to me, and I like that. I like watching
them. I will welcome any season that they're on. I don't know that
we're going to ever see Nelly again, and it doesn't look like Hunter's ever
coming back. It seems like Hunter's done too young Bucks now the old bucks
anyway there, Yeah, that's true. They're all well two of them are
dads and the audacity, as Case says, oh it's scuba and now yeah,
Nellie's all yeah, he's made his mark on the channel. He really
has appreciate Nelly. All right, Well that's that's the whole lunch. Yeah,
does he want Chris one? Two very deserving winners that were hard for
it and earned it. She survived. I mean, I do have to
give it to Chanelle, even though she did not do a whole lot this
season. She did finish the finale second place, which way to go hurt
just more than a lot of people in season London, well more than most
of the people on season one. She had to finished second place because yeah,
but she could have quit or she could have finished so well, Zach,
this question, oh kay, is going to mimic my I was about
to ask you this because you you ladies are gonna have an opinion. Are
survivors just better at the challenge than Big Brother or Amazing Race people? Because
two survivors won both USA one and two. Okay, but we really counted
season one because there was no challenges on there for them to go again,
Well you can't, well, but you can't discount that two survivors won it
either because there was. Sarah doesn't count Big Brother an Amazing Race than one
survivor wanted. The only winner was a survivor player. Both of these people
were survivors, and Chanelle was a survivor. She was second place. Mikaaleo
was third place as a survivor person. Well, I personally don't think so,
but you know, kind of bringing up something similar. U Chanell went
on Instagram after it and said, the challenge now belongs to Survivor. Oh
s dominated. Survivor dominated USA two And I know the Vets made some Vets
made it to the final but Survivor. How many in the finale? Were
four from Survivor people left all four? Yeah, so three of the four
girls and Chris and Chris. So really they dominated throughout the game yet to
the finale. Yeah, so yeah, they destroyed it. Yes, and
I do. I do think being a Survivor player is closer to the Challenge
than like Big Brother or Amazing Race. You're used to doing challenges, used
to doing hard things, not quitting mean in the elements. Probably, Yeah,
I think it hardens I think I really do think Survivor hardens you.
It makes you able to do like, it makes you able to press through
hard things. Here's my thought. I was like, yes, it did
well, but put them in a season with Jordan ct Bananas, like,
give them fifty to fifty equal numbers, Maria Emily Strom. Let's see how
they do then, Oh god, Emily coming back, that would be that'd
be a fun game to see. I think I think Challenge wipes the floor
Survivor if they have even numbers, Yeah, well we'll see. I hope
we see it, because really it does. I mean, Survivor did really,
really well, and I was rooting for the Survivor women, and I
was rooting for Chris nearly this whole game. So yeah, I think in
terms of doing well and just winning, uh, they did after her last
season, yes, I was heartbroken for her. Yeah, last season and
Enzo just failing miserably for her. Yep, all right, I'm putting the
phone number in the chat room. Guys, call if you like, and
we will talk to you. Do I have to press any buttons over here
when people do call on no, it should uh no, you'll just adjust
the volume it's too loud, and maybe nobody will call. I don't know.
I told him to call the phone number because he talked through here.
I don't know if you guys can hear it, but our headphones aren't connected
this, so we didn't hear oh all so kay, if we can talk
for episode zero thirty nine. Unfortunately, Kay, I do not believe any
of us here have watched that. I have not watched it. Yeah,
so we will have no idea what you're talking about. And I gotta be
honest, Kay, and Scott and everybody else in the chair room. I
am not excited about thirty nine. Like I'm not excited. I don't care
about the cast at all. I just do not care about this. I
will I will watch episode zero. I'm sure what is episode? So episode
zero is introducing into all the cast members because season thirty nine is a bunch
of people that we don't know. So it's a whole episode of just interrot
very much. Yes, it's the first night in the house and ooh,
first person. Oh, hang on, I gotta do this thing. Hello,
Hi, this is kay Hill. That's Kay Oh wof he's not there.
I'll love he's funny. You've been read. Don't say that's gonna go
to his head. Even Carlin's dog is Yeah, Ray is barking at you
too excited. Okay, what do you think of the final? It was?
It was? It was. It was kind of mid but it's like
what I said in the chat, it's kind of like a final that we
would see in the earlier seasons, right, Yeah, I agree with that.
On the shorter when it was, I think it was it was a
season where Coral and Miz were pardoned up on the same team and they were
walking up a mountain doing things, So that's what it kind of reminded me
of. I can see why people don't like it because compared to the ones,
but compared to the finals that we've seen these last couple of seasons,
it's right up there. So I don't think it's the worst. But it
seemed like we went by really fast. Yeah, yeah, it did go
real quick. We needed a ninety minute episode on this one, at least
exactly that's what I thought we were gonna get, but I saw it was
still an hour. But I'm excited. Who won? Fucking Johnny Banana's loss.
You're good? You're good? Oh? I mean, have you heard
my mouth? Like, come on, girl, you were happy with the
winners both winter. Is that who you were? You were rooting for Chris
and Dazzy the whole time. I was rooted for them because I don't I
just don't understand why, because at first I wasn't because like, you guys
should have gotten the bets out. I don't understand, like why they started
off trying to get all the bets out and all of a sudden that plan
just went out the window. Yeah, it was that. It was that
episode that they came up with the like everybody pulls the name out of the
hat. The moment that that happened, it caused enough chaos them to not
focus on the bets, tell the toy and Johnny get to the ending,
right, get a seven time Champs? You didn't. You didn't try every
single episode to get that seven time Champ out of that house? Escape easy.
It's always it happens like on season, but it's always so easy to
get Wes out, Like they are always stamp on, let's get out West
and then Banana's is sitting right there. But do you notice they always wait
till the end. It's when they say, Okay, Johnny Vane's gotta go,
because wasn't it for if Bessie, like on the last so for the
final And they did that on Rider Dies too, which I thought was very
stupid when he was there the whole time. He's literally sitting pretty the whole
time. And yeah, they have definitely done that a few times. And
I was debating this with Alison yesterday because she has talked about Johnny just sliding
to the end, and I'm like, and you know, Chris win all
these challenges, and I'm like, you know, I think it's harder than
winning eliminations, being a seven time champion and convincing people I'm okay to take
to the end, like you can take me there and there's for sure.
But also like, well I was saying to him because I had forgotten that
Bananas went into an elimination, But I was like, I feel like there
should be a rule if you don't if you don't win something or win an
elimination, like you're not in the finale like get out, yeah something some
of you've got to go to you got to win the elimination. Yeah,
there have there have been seasons Red Schools, Yeah, the schools. Yeah
that it was like a like a hashtag bill, right because they made it
so easy to where everybody could get it out. Yeah. I think it
was was total. Man, it's the first season they did that they had
to go into elimination. They've done it in like old old seasons, but
it was the first one of like the newer version of the challenge. They
never specified, Yeah, they never specified how many skulls they had, and
then I remember the next season they said they were giving out ten, but
then they got to ten ten skulls and then all of a sudden, Okay,
you can start taking them and eight people in the finals. So I
think they kind of stopped doing that because it just wasn't what's the word produced
right, Because I really wish that they would have had Okay, we're going
to give out ten skulls, and if you don't have by the time,
then get rid of everybody else. I know it, but I just want
them to try that out. But the point of everybody having a chance to
get one really loses the momentum of the season. Yeah, it's definitely been
talked about on the season of Total Madness that they did it the other season
that I can't remember what the other season was called. The both of those
seasons that they had the skulls, it was definitely talked about, like,
Okay, they need to limit how many you can get. They need tell
us ahead of time, they need to trade them around like they did with
the keys on on the Island. There needs to be more stakes to this,
and yet like don't give them a final challenge where it's a purge,
but it's not really a purge because you can still go for these things,
but you know, we're still going to give you a chance, like,
no, if you don't have it by this final Challenge, then bye bye,
so long, see you later. Yeah, actually, or maybe or
maybe they just need to stop casting so many people, Like I missed the
days when it was just like sixteen or eighteen people on the season and not
twenty five plus people on the shelf, because it's hard to keep up,
especially on this new season of the Challenge. On I was talking about thirty
nine where they had to launch special. I think it's four of them,
yeah and all. Yeah, Well, I just feel like I'll miss the
days when it was just like eighteen to twenty not twenty four in up people
because there's too many of them. So maybe past Do we know how many
how many episodes we've got of thirty nine coming? No, but I bet
it's most twenty eighteen because like the MTV season's last or yeah, they go
on forever. This season, the season that Polly and Natalie went back and
forth to the to the Redemption House, you I will specifically, specifically remember
Tim going back and forth and sitting there like we are halfway through the season.
You won't know how many people have gone home four Oh, it's like
because they're because this because the new season, like they're bringing in the champs,
right, the champs are just going to be there for the whole season
or just an episode. I don't know. It's it's kind of a mystery
to me as far as I know, they're just coming go. Yeah,
I mean they're gonna have to beat them. So is it gonna be like
HOLI Final reckoningd Like if somebody wins against a champ, nobody goes home,
So that's like a wasted episode, right, I don't know, I bet,
And I think maybe that's part of the reason I'm dreading thirty nine.
Yeah, I didn't even I'm and frustrating. My favorite thing is when the
season is twenty episodes of being like, you know, it's Thanksgiving. This
has been on since summer. This has been since my kids were in last
year's school. Like, it's just it spans so much time. It's crazy.
Remember and Allies said on Twitter, somebody said on Twitter, a Challenge
season shouldn't last the whole college semester. It's true. And I think I
like these USA seas just because it's thirteen episodes. You're in and out in
a few and you leave like feeling good and wanting more. Yeah, and
instead like the MTV ones are just like, fuck another episode? Are you
serious? Well? And not only the MTV episode do we have so much
more of the MTV episodes, but they're also an hour and a half yeah,
in comparison to the sixty minutes, So like, you just depend the
end of it, it's just a slog. Did you just even watch?
There have been more than a few seasons before I joined the actual show the
podcast, Like, there have been more than a few seasons where it was
so painful to watch the ninety minute episodes every single week that I just got
to a point where I would just listen to the show that you guys were
putting on and just have fun chiming in on there because I cannot deal with
this, especially Spies Life, especially spis Lives and Allies. That was just
two yeah, And remember that was the season. That was the season that
Josh and Bestie got into their fight, and that episode where they had their
fight they had as an hour episode where they could have just and then when
they came back the next week to show the rest of the fight, the
rest of the episode was boring. They just put they had put all that
in one episode it would have been really good. Well normally that when they
came back from the from the fight, they then replayed like half of the
fight in the next episode, So we saw the same thing two episodes in
a row, like what are you doing? Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, that's like I just feel like, yeah, they're just It's like
I said, I think that was the season where it was like almost thirty
people because it was like fifteen internationals and then ten or twelve vets all right,
yeah, so there was so many people. And then also they kept
having those weeks where it was just and then they had that twist where one
a limit where I was gonna have one elimination. What happened to the days
where both a man and a woman went each episode to make it goes home
an episode? Yeah, because they had Yeah, they had the pairs,
and then they had the teams, and the teams were just one person from
each team, and then they went individual. It was so many twists that
season. Then there was a lot. Okay, I am glad I don't
I'm glad I don't have your memory. Kay, I would kill myself if
I had to remember all this stuff. I just like. But also,
Tim, I think you a lot. I feel like I might, I
might like or not. I went going into it having low expectation because I
saw who they dropped. They dropped a lot of good people for this season,
and the people they have on there. I'm like, why is Michelle
there? Why? Because she hasn't won anything? Yea, get a new
whe But I could have done another season without Michelle because she's been there ever
since year. She's been on the last two three seasons. I don't have
to see I don't think I need to see Michelle. Do you watch Do
you watch Survivor? Oh? Yeah, I do. I love Survivor.
That's why I asked the questions. Are Survivor? I feel like survivors more
harder because they're sleeping outside, taking showers, they have like bugs in their
teeth. We're in the challenge, they get a nice house. Do you
think And I asked this question to Zach before, do you think challengers are
better in the challenge? I'm sorry, Survivor players are better at the challenge
than like say, Big Brother, Amazing Race players. I think definitely better
than Amazing Race. I'm not really familiar with it, but the little clips
that I've seen, they're just doing little things that they go across the country
and do little things big brother But big brothers have their backyard things. They're
not like in like a place where they can be out and free. They're
just in the backyard doing activities. So that's why I put Survivor better than
the big brother. But we've seen challengers on me Survivor people on challenges,
and we see them do really, really good. I would I want to
like a challenger to go on Survivor to see if they can handle that.
I would legit pay for the Survivors, an all Challenge Survivor season like exclusion.
I don't want to. I don't want an all Challenge Survivor season.
I want a half and half. Oh really, I would want the whole
whole bank. But you don't watch Survivor, do No? I don't,
but I would. I'd be willing. I would if so. I would
watch Survivor if it were half Challenge and half. Like to like a Challenge
tribe and a newbie tribe or half of each tribe, because there's gotta be
there's more than one tribe. Every time they have a team with Challengers and
then all Survivor players and then like maybe newbies, oh, previous Survivor players.
Yeah, versus Challenge. I mean they Survivor Challenge or Survivor players are
coming on the Challenge with previous Challenge players. Like, I want to see
the same thing happen on Survivor. I would watch that. S Yeah,
I think that'd be really interesting. I yeah, it'd be watched the old
season. Don't watch these new seasons of Survivor, Charlie. You need to
watch like the really old ones, the ones that Tyson was on. You
should watch those. Yeah, the Tyson seasons are pretty good. Last last
thing I was, he's not here. But did you guys see the article
where Josh said he's taking a break from the Challenge. Yes, yeah,
thank god. Well, I mean he did already take a break. I
agreed with you on that one. He definitely did already take a break.
Do we think this is real? Well, people say this all the time.
Come back. Yeah, yes, a break might mean one season,
you know, I mean, he it sounds like he came out of this
season like feeling like the Challenge was making him. He said it in the
last episode the Challenge was making him into someone that he didn't want to be.
So I wonder if Josh's game like Josh, he plays a really,
really good game, and it's just to the point where it gets close to
the end where he has to make these tough decisions. That's when he cries.
Because at the beginning of this season he was screaming and yelling at everybody
about not wanting to put his friends in this and that, and all of
a sudden, it's like getting so much that he plays a really good game
that he couldn't. He should be getting to the final. Every season that
he plays, he can be like the non and gets to the final.
It just like it's just something where he just messed up whenever he has to
go into those eliminations because they know that they can beat you. Yep,
that's the point. I think they know. They keep him around because he's
a layup and they know it gets down to the nitty gritty and they have
to throw somebody into elimination an easy win. They're going to go against Josh,
and he's not going to be upset about it because he wants to be
these people's friends. Yeah, I think that. I do think Josh is
a very authentic person, and I think he's genuinely friends with these people,
and I think he genuinely it hurts him to vote against them, But that's
the game. That's the game. Yeah, exactly, I had to vote
for you. Yeah, he didn't care. But he's too invested. He's
too like emotionally invested in this, and he's gonna he's always when they throw
these huge feds. The one time Bananas went in, they're a huge tand
welcome to Johnny. Banana's always a game, Banana. But I feel like
from Banana's standpoint, he should understand people wanted to throw him in because nobody
wants to run against you. Yeah, I will never but he doesn't throw
like a hissy fit as bad as Bananas does. I think I will never
understand why Bananas freaks the fuck out every single time he gets voted in,
Like, dude, you have won this game seven times. People are throwing
you in because you have won this game seven times. They want to get
you out because they don't want you to win, because they want to yeaheah.
They the day's like final reckon in era of days where every time Banaias
will come on and he would be targeted right out the gate. Now everyone
loves him and bye, I wonder what happened because they're not casting certain people
from that era, No Morris, all these new people who doesn't really know
the show like that. I think he's doing something right. He's yeah,
he took a couple of them. He took a couple of seasons off.
And he even said that as a reason. It is like he's like,
I come in, I'm always the first target. He's like, I need
to kind of get off people's minds. Yeah, clear the clear the board
a little bit. He was him to do it again better. Who's the
better? I skate for different reasons. I think nobody wants to throw a
ct in because they're all scared to death of him and see him in the
promo he had that that weapon. I forgot what I was called. He
looks scary in the promo for thirty nine. Yeah, like a mace or
something, and I ball remember but sets in this next one, I guess
they should. Yeah, he there's a uh, there's a slip of pan
like a sledgehammer. Then he like throws it and he like walks out with
a scary face and throws it in the stand. It's like really intimidating.
I can't wait. I'm just watching for him. The mercenaries are I'm watching
for him. Kara and Jordan, those are the only ones I care to
see. I don't care, okay, but I guarantee you, I guarantee
you there. Their clips are five to eight minutes an episode. Yeah,
and it's gonna be at the end and we're gonna spend the whole season waiting
for them and they're there. It's gonna be a little blip. Yeah,
I'm dreading this watch fun like, but I'm letting Gus know right now there
is already that season thirty eight Alliance is already building. So like Gods,
Red, some Mariah, Michelle, Jay and some other people whoever was on
right or dies already building. Big Alliance is gonna go after the rest of
the people, about any of you. He is back. I'm so happy
about that he is back. She is back. I did see that about
Big Team too, but it's like she's the other one that like retired and
then she's back two seasons later. I'm doing big If you retire, just
retired, like retirement is like what West did when he was on Rivals three.
Yeah, and it came back. People they were telling Corey said he
were he has to take a break, and we took a season off and
now he's back. Like, that's not a break. You just off one
season. We're not gonna fit well. I forgot about Josh, like big
b Yes, yes. When people make a big deal about the break,
I just think like you just attention. You just want everybody to like retweet
this ship or post this stories or wherever, and then they just come back
whenever. Anyway, It's like I don't know, and I like big TV,
but it's it's like you're full of ship, big Tea. You said
six months ago that you were going to be a chef forever and never go
back to the Challenge. Ye, and then here exactly your kid their favorite
people that because you said you watched the Challenge. Australia they have that guy
Kieren Kieran, the guy with all the tattoos is on there grow from episode
one yeah and now yeah, and Jessica, you know, the girl is
always all tatted. I'm surprised to bring Australia. Jessica is my favorite on
Australia. So I'm excited to see her. Yeah, she's already her.
She get her homework. That's what I like. I like when people come
in and study on the Challenge. I like it when people do their homework
too. Yeah. Yeah, she came in and said, of course all
those people that was on rid her dogs are going to stick together. She's
already pointed that out. So I do like that. Uh yeah, Melissa's
bag they got. I didn't watch Challenge UK, but they got Callum and
James on there. Okay, I didn't watch him. They don't have in
a half of who we from Challenge Orgentina's one there. I did like her.
She was on the she was on the World Championship. She was fun.
Yeah, I just like the name who he is that like one time
was this coming back? Like a soft that can't back the guy that I
hate that guy? I hate that guy and is back. I'm excited.
It is amazing, right, Okay, Okay, it's been fun talking,
but I think we need to throw You're all good. We love it,
but we didn't. We didn't throw it to the rest of the crew.
Have a good conversation. Thank you, Thank you so much for calling in.
Okay, Okay, you know what, I would love to see him
Survivors. I want the cast of just like normal New People, and I
just want Abram is the one Challenger. Oh my god, the Challengers unknown
caller. Hi, this is Elizabeth. Oh my gosh, it's so cool
to talk to you, guys. It's so cool to talk to you back.
We love you. I've been listening to Total Madness and I just love
your podcast and I feel like you guys make watching the Challenge even more enjoyable.
Oh well, that's very nice, thank you, thank you. Yeah,
you know, my my my one season on this show, it's been
I've contributed so much. Charlie's touched in her yes, Alison on her first
episode. No, that's the third third, well, the third episode,
he's at home crying to himself. He's not able to talk to you.
So I totally understand how you feel, Alic Elizabeth, thinking that I have
been in that exact same But it's it's a lot of fun to be able
to talk to this crew. And now Carlin's in the in in my in
my dining room. So listen to the show long enough. I'll just invite
you to my home. I mean technically, Yeah, you're welcome. You're
welcome anytime. This was open to everyone. That's true. Where are you,
Elizabeth, Where are you at in the world. I'm in Maryland.
I was in grad school, so it was really hard to keep up,
like like episode by episode, so I was never really able to watch like
live, and so I like binged the past couple episodes to be like right
ready for the live, like I have to call it. But yeah,
I I really I don't. Like, I am excited for the actual like
MTV version of the challenge, but I was really surprised at how bad Toy
did this final. I was expecting a lot more from her, Yeah,
especially after Yeah, I mean I think she was just it was just very
surprising to see her just do bad at like basically almost every one of them.
Yeah, you know, and like the stuff you guys were saying about
the advantages not being like they were just completely unfair and it, you know,
because I thought, oh, Toy's gonna kill it the second the second
day because it's just all endurance. It's like ten miles of running, but
then she just sort of couldn't keep up because of just doing so bad at
the risk stations. Yeah, Yeah, Tori and Festi's game ended because they
couldn't throw an ax. Yeah, which I'm glad Festi did because I don't
like Festi. But that's also kind of bullshit, Like if you really look
at it objectively, that kind of sucks for those two. Yeah. I
mean I think I think Festi, I don't like Beessi, but I think
he really like chilled out this season, which made me like him a little
bit better. Yeah he was. Yeah, it really makes me wonder if
he after this past season of getting so much backlash, It makes me wonder
if he if he kind of reserved himself a little bit more this season because
of how much he got. But what's that say to him is it's like,
you know, what I got to do to get people to like me
is just the fuck up. So he was on Bonance podcast like two weeks
ago, and he's saying that he's like, you know, last season,
I was very boisterous. I threw myself into two eliminations, like I was
trying to like be like, you know, this top competitor, and people
hated me. It's like, so this time I come in, I sit
back, I like relax. I chill out. People still hate me.
He's like, what what do I have to do to win? Yeah?
Yeah? Being humble? Yeah yeah, he was just he just came in
too hard, like the first few seasons, and I was just like,
you just got here, Like yes, you're a good physical competitor, but
like you're still new, like you're not You're not like seasons here, like
you know, show a little grace and like humility. You know, yeah,
maybe playing a little closer to the vest for the years and then kind
of like you know, peppered in a little bit more. But yeah,
were you rooting for Chris at the beginning or who are you? Who are
you rooting for? So I I know you guys won't like to hear this,
but I know Zach will appreciate this because Johnny Bananas, Okay, it
was like I love Johnny Bananas, but I so it's like hard for me,
like when he's in a season, so like root for anyone else,
but I did. I was really happy for DESI, And I do think
that like Chris and DESI deserved their win because they, I mean Chris especially
like just had like a really tough season and he really fought for it.
And he was he came out on top. And but but yeah, like
I just of course, I'm just always like rooting for the Vests in general,
just because like it's history and you know them. We've been watching the
show with these people for so long. It's hard to not have a little
bit of a thin for all of them. Yeah, and like Corey,
it was so great to see Corey. I gain, I guess he only
I don't remember how with the last season he was on. It seems like
he hasn't been on for a while, But I don't think it hasn't actually
been that long, but it has been. It's been a few seasons.
Yeah, you took a few. Yeah, I feel like it's been like
two or three seasons, and like we've had all stars in there, and
we had you know, the World Championship and the episode previous season of USA.
So it may have actually only been like one or two MTV Challenges,
but it kind of feels like it's been a little bit more than that.
Well, Plus, I think he's more of a background character than he used
to be. He's like it's he used to be in storylines and hooking up
with people and calling out Johnny Bananas and now he's just sort of chilling in
the background more of a honestly, yeah, he's like I was really like
happy for him. I think he did really well. I mean he beat
I mean he came in second, like he beat Bananas and so like,
I mean, especially with how bad he did the first day, I think
it was really great that he kept pushing and kept going and you know,
made it. So I hope he like keeps coming back. You know.
I don't want him to take anymore. Same are you a Do you watch
Survivor or Big Brother or anything like that. No, I don't. I
the Challenge is the only thing I like watch. But I do really like
Jay. Yeah, which Jay's really great. I I this was I just
total madness. Was the first season I ever watched. And I remember watching
all these people like being up on him, and I didn't know anyone yet,
and so I was like, oh my god, this poor dude.
And so I really love Jay. I think he's a good player. I
mean obviously like writer dies like he played like the very massy season with Michelle,
But yeah, I think he's like a good competitor. I heard he
dropped the N bomb on thirty nine, and I read a rumor I don't
know how true that as Zach, have you read that. I've not heard
that. I heard he dropped some like not just not just subtly racist stuff,
like overtly crazy racist stuff. I hope it's not true, because I
also like Jays. Yeah I was. I was kind of excited to see
him coming back on thirty nine because yeah, I mean, his first season
he was treated like Chris. He was thrown in every single elimination and did
really really well until he didn't. And yeah, well you don't watch Survivor,
but he was great on Survivor too. He's like a good character.
He played the game hard and good. And that's crazy because obviously just being
friends with people about the races doesn't mean you can't do that. But like
Nelson's one of his closest friends outside the show. Really, yeah, like
Jay and Nelson are always together, like visiting each other. So to hear,
I hope it was just a hope that's just a room. I hope
it was. But it's a rough rumor to have about you though, Man,
look at me just spreading it now. I don't know talk. I
find this crazy, so I looked it up. When was the last time
Choy was on? And it was Spies, Lies and Allies? Yeah,
Ka said that good k in the schatrow. So season thirty seven, well,
blew my mind? Is that season took place in August to the summer
of twenty twenty one? Oh really so long ago? Oh my god?
That was the last MTV season And then there was and there was a there
was an All Stars and then a World Championship and then and then in the
USA two maybe a USA in the Middle. Yeah, Rider dies in the
Middle. Okay, it was last Yeah, is so much longer? Sorry?
All Stars? So oh the lost season? Yeah? Yeah, so
they have they have filmed season four. It seems like it's just kind of
sitting on the shelves right now. And we were talking about yesterday with Wolf
that it might just be because the Rider's strike and the actors strike, they're
kind of holding off on it to maybe have something during a lull period.
Now that the strike is finally done and they're creating new shows and all sort
of things, so hopefully we'll get it soon. It seems in a sweet
Season two. Carl Maria Laurel like the Women's side is just completely stacked or
was that just me making it up? I don't know, might be just
me waking it making it up. God, I would the money I would
pay to see that woman come back and compete. So I came here for
discussing or not. But when I went to Challenge Mania in Chicago, the
Chicago, I think at Chicago, and Emily was there and she said that
originally for writer Dies, she was supposed to be Banana's partner. Oh and
then like last minute, she got dropped and replaced with Nanni. Oh all
right, Nanni was was perfect for Bananas. It was really great seeing them.
Like I liked Writer Dies, but I wanted to see more like pairs
like Bananas and Nanny and like yeah the Demen and like yeah, like actual
people like from the Challenge who have all these like history as opposed to just
like a bunch of movies my sister or like this is my husband. It's
like I don't like no, like you know, it just didn't make sense.
I agree. I think Nannie was a better partner, but come on,
like, if you have Emily, he's an eight time champion, I
would love that. Yeah, it would have been That was one of those
seasons that So Sarah Rice and Susie Meister have brought it up on their podcast,
like many many years ago. They've brought it up quite a few times,
like they would come back to the Challenge if the Challenge did a best
Friends season. Yeah, And I think Ryder Dies was the closest that we
will ever get. So I think that there was a massive missed opportunity to
bring the two of them back because I think that would have been interesting to
see. I know that you don't need to see him, but they have
a massive fan base. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird too because they're both
terrible people and I feel like I feel like they would have done it.
But also, like the little bit i've heard them talk, it seems like
they have like several demands that production has to like abide by it before they
even agreed to come. Yeah, but I mean, like one of the
one of her commands, one of the demands is to have actual mental health
care for all of the people there on the show. Terrible people. But
you know that's because that's Sarah wants that to be her She wants to provide
that. That's her thing. She's trying to get paid on the back end.
Is she a therapist? She is, yes, okay herself. I'm
I'm excited to see like Kara Maria come back for like season thirty nine.
She's like my favorite girl challenger. I mean she I mean, obviously she
isn't perfect, but I think she's just like a really great competitor. So
yeah, car has been one of my favorites for many, many many years.
Like she her last season or two on the Challenge, We're not great.
Yeah, she, she and CT will always hold special places in my
heart forever and always. Yeah, I wish I wish she was more like
they were going to actually be part of the season and not this like basically
mercenaries, like especially because the rumors that I don't know, like season forty
might be there last Like I kind of just want us to see like people
we know and love more than just all these like new people come in,
you know. I agree. I think that's why it would be a good
balance. You know, I hate thirty nine. It's all new people or
people I actively dislike, and my chances are going to be are going to
be very limited in how they're featured on the show, I think. Yeah,
So Uh. Anyway, it was really nice talking to Elizabeth. You're
great. Thank you so much. It was really great meeting you guys,
and I can't wait to hear you guys cover the next season next next time,
come and join us in Puria. Yeah yeah yeah, time off grad
school total. What are you studying in grad school? Well? I actually
just finished, but I like just typically since I started the pop listening to
the podcast like i'd been in grad school, so I wasn't able to listen
live, but I studied. I studied urban planning and cool. Wow.
Congratulations and congratulations on finishing grad school. That's huge, Thank you, Thank
you guys. Have night. Bye. All right, guys. Well,
I'm putting my phone number in the chair. I just so you guys know.
This is my personal cell phone number, so if you would like to
text me, you can fill no calmer. Oh, I guess I'm gonna
go out mine as well. Hello, what's up? Hey? This is
Chris. Congratulations on winning. What are you going to do with the money,
Chris? Ah? Well, I'm like, may, He's not what
I call these I've been one of you guys for so long time. It
mayn't even been from the beginning. It was either the first season, Oh
my gosh, I'm so so see, I am right there with you.
I started listening to them around the same time, and here I am sitting
on the actual podst that's kind of fun. Same way I started out as
a listener can I emailed them. I was like, Hey, can I
come hang out with you guys? And yeah, here I am. Years
later, Carly, where are you? Chris? Come on? Carly creeps
me out this during this visit by telling me she re listens to old episodes
just to like fill dead space. That's like, holy ship, You're listening
to me tell stories from six years ago. It's not ridiculous. I'm sorry,
I sound like a super creeper. It's ridiculous. And you're letting me
stay in your house. This could have gone real wrong, real fast.
And you bring up like just completely insignificant stories from five years ago that I've
long forgotten and you're just like remember that happens to him? Like, no,
what are you talking about? Yeah, there's so much that I've forgotten
to try to remember it too much to remember everything. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
So, Chris, what'd you think of this? Like a yeah.
Yeah, i'n't get a chance to be You're just working this is this a
long time. It's always nice to hear your boss because it feels like I'm
talking to two good friends about because hey, that is already Zach team.
So I'm glad that that's how you incorporated here. What did you think of
the final is that? Were you rooting for Chris and Desi? I was
rooting for Desi from the jump because of what happened to her with end Zo.
That was just it was so painful to she needs the wind more than
anybody else. Yeah, or the guys, Christine bother me. But you
know, I'm always rooting for the jump watching. Don't say bananas. Zach
is ready for Zach is waiting for it. Don't say bananas, please don't.
Chris probably at least okay, keep talking. Yeah, we're good.
Unlike Elizabeth. Oh yeah, give me West, give me to Corey.
Did you turn around on Chris though? About halfway through the season, I
was like, well, Chris is my man, because everybody's against him seems
normal, and so I want winning and winning and winning absolutely. Yeah.
West. I did not think he was going to be but he didn't either,
but he like his legs around him too. I have snatched him like
a fly, right, Yeah, hilarious. That's the typical West move of
like it looked cool for half a second, but it was the stupidest fucking
thing he could have done. Did you like if he was able to keep,
if he was able to get a little bit farther out and like get
out of his reach, then like there was some real potent on that game.
Well but not really because it ended immediately. Yeah it failed, but
yeah, yeah, but yes, so you see it was Tyler, pretty
pretty strong Tyler. I don't watch Big Brothers, so I could give a
ship about Tyler. I can. I can already barely remember him. He
only exists as like this weird little blip of just non memory to me.
I love Tyler, but she's on there for a while too. He was
there unforgettable. Yeah, I can like picture his face, but I don't.
I couldn't tell you a single thing he said or his entire season.
Yeah it was. It was a good guy to go before Josh. He
was the last guy to go before Josh. But his entire season got boiled
down to him hooking up with what's her face? It was just I think
we didn't have no agency in the game because Big but just got destroyed.
They did every single time they went into elimination against a survivor, the survivor
wanted a big Yeah. I think the Big Brother was having a good season,
Okay. I wish we could have seen it because I've I've heard Big
Brother people talk about their love of Tyler, and I just didn't see it.
It just did not present itself in the challenge to me. So yeah,
I kind of hope we can. I don't know. I hate to
say I hope we see him again because I don't care. But if we
see him again, I hope. I hope I can see what everybody else
seems to see. I'll say that, do you want Survivor? I don't
want Survivor? Okay, bummer, it's a better show. I don't want
to see Brothers going. Yeah, there are a lot of survivors because okay,
yeah, I've seen people in the Big Brother community talk about it,
but not enough to make me wanted to watch Big Brother. Probably, Oh,
we're just sorry about that. At dinner, I was too into Big
Brother Season one. I was watching the live feeds and ship like that,
and I realized I can't spend my life watching these live feeds, and so
I've sworn off of Big Brother and I've not been back the The episodes that
I've caught here and there do not interest me. Yeah, so, Chris,
are you are your team Jaggon Matt? What is that? No?
Really? I like what, I like what Suri is doing. I don't
like Jaggon Matt. I don't like the fact that Jigging's only round because of
a uh of twist that saved him after he was evicted because somebody got kicked
off the show. Yeah. So, and the fact that Jack was able
to win two and she is not my favorite gang in the world. Okay,
that's fair enough. I like, I like them, but I agree
the twist to like protect jag was a little bit unfair. Yeah. Yeah,
everyone here is like we're talking about watch the show? What's that?
Do you watch the live feats at all? Or you watch the show?
I watched the live feed some. I'm not like super religious, but I
like, I definitely watch him here there, and I keep up with like
live feed websites for what I don't watch, right, right, So are
you excited for thirty nine. Yeah, yeah, even if the people only
show for five seconds, it's gonna be fun to see some of those people.
If you haven't seen in a while, come back. Yeah. Really
years since we've seen Kara. Yeah, yeah, I mean Carla was everybody's
favorite for a long time until Pauli came into play and she I feel like
it was the season or two before Polly she got kind of remember it was
like Dirty thirty that she kind of started at by Camilla really hooked up.
Yeah, Camilla. Camilla dragged her over to the dark side. Yeah,
that's very true. I think she was just entitled. She was like,
no, I don't need to go in and to a new elimination. Yeah,
there was the season where she asked Jordan, like, point blank,
you know what, you don't want me in the final and he said,
no, I would take anybody else over you. You're too emotional or something
like that. Yeah. I think it was it was around that same season
that she just kind of had her downwards pride And I think most people work
better as scrappy underdogs, and that's why I like Chris this time around.
Yes, I'm not sure if I like Chris as much. If he comes
into the house thinking like, I'm such a badass I won last time defending
my crown. That's a little that's a little worse to me than somebody that's
like, well, I'm just gonna do my best and uh yeah, it
comes back that they will target him again, probably align with him. Do
you think because he's proven that he can. I think he's so bad politically,
I think he will remain bad politically. Yeah, I think I think
he'll be an easy guy to target unless people that interviews that he's probably okay,
Yeah, it's too bad because I really like him, but it's hard
to beat what he's done. I mean, you will survivor first time,
you win the challenge first time. Uh, maybe it's time to just ride
off. Yeah, it's like you want, you want a ton of money,
Just go live your life now and enjoy exactly. So all right,
Chris, it's been fun talking to you man. Yeah, yeah, I'm
great talking to you guys. Thanks for so yeah, for sure. Well
don't get used to it because we're not doing this again until the finale of
thirty nine. To say, if you guys push them enough, maybe we
could convince him and Wolf and move it to Saturday. No, No,
I don't want on a Saturday. Yeah, I've got Fridays were hard enough,
Yeah, they were, like I mean, it was hard enough trying
to get this Saturday to work. That's true. Yeah, I couldn't get
rid of my kids, That's true. Sounds so bad. All right,
good talking to you, thanks Chris. Yeah we got another one. Oh
hello, Hi, Hi, my name is Carly. Hi, Carle and
Carly. Is this the Carly that won fat my best tie? You know,
I've been following you guys for a while. I was sitting in the
chat. I just really wasn't saying much because I'm at I was at work.
I just got what's your job? What do you do? I work
for Amazon? Where you located? I'm located in Texas, Texas as from
Texas well part I used to. That's this. I'll pass all right anywhere
near where I lived, that's from I'll passa Do you ever run into him?
Do you ever deliver Amazon packages? Too? How is me to?
That's a man right there, that's a man. He is he is nouris
right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, he's just noise, which I don't
know. I don't understand. Hey, you know she had she had a
lot of people looking at her her first season. So yeah, I can't
say I'm a little all that surprise that she I think that's like her.
I'm okay, but it does that seems not the combination I would put together.
Yeah, I don't remember enough about her because I've watched her in Rossio.
Just because doesn't she like black guys. I would have no idea that
it's okay, But I don't actually know. I also Nelson and the Two,
another black guy that was on her season of Are You the One?
Then she did a black guy that was on The Bachelor. I think,
so he's never like when she was with Jordan that that just took me by
surprise. I was I was just thinking she was looking up with Johnny Middlebrook's
dad. They're not like her type is beautiful. Blackness is still a flavor
of chocolate, just not like dark chocolate. So you're so, what did
you think of the finale here? Did you? Were you rooting for Chris
and Dosi? Absolutely, I wasn't really a fan of Chris winning Survivor because
he wasn't there. He was on the edge of extinction. And me and
me and my best friend, we were big Survivor players, and when he
won, we were pissed. All really wow, It's like how you guys
said on one of your podcasts, like how the Redemption House, Like if
Polly and Natalie came back and won that season, I would have been upset
if Paully and Natalie won, if they was on the Redemption House the whole
season. Yeah, okay, I can, I can. I can see
that because yeah, I am Natalie went a final reckon. Oh yeah,
I would have been I would have been fucking livid. Yeah. Were you
a were you a Devon's fan on that season Survivor? Sort of? All
right? Well, and that's why to me, that's why I think Chris
deserved to win that season, because Devon's was going to win. There was
no question. Absolutely. He played the best game, like one of the
best Survivor games of all time. He dominated that whole game. And so
when Chris came back from the Edge of Extinction, he said, like,
listen, I can't beat Devons. Nobody can. So all I can do
is give up my immunity and battle him in fire and try to get him
out. Because he was the only one that could have beat him in fire,
and so Chris was the one that took out the guy that was going
to win. Uh And so to me, that's like, well, then
who else is it? Because I can't even remember the other two finalists because
they were also just sort of they didn't do much. M yeah, yeah,
yeah, Chris, like everybody, and that was the first and the
last time they did on Survivor. Everybody from the first person that was out
to the last person got to vote because usually always get the people at the
end of vote. So Chris was on the edge of extasion with the rest
of the eliminated losers. So that's not any one. Yeah, yeah,
so he did what he could. I think his win is deserved. I
understand why people don't like it. He was voted out, which is you
shouldn't vote out and then still be you stilldn't be able to win. But
it was he played by the rules. He won. But also people just
set like Chris was about out second, but Devn's was a vote out third,
and then Devn's came back in at the merge. Oh I do forget
that. Yeah, you're right, like that is them. We're voted out
and then came back. Yeah, Devins came back a little earlier though.
Chris like, if you play a really really good game and and you urge
your spot, then that's why I respect Devin Moore than Chris. That's the
point. Oh, Devin's played a better game, but he didn't make it
to the end. So you don't get to win. It's just you don't
you you don't get to windable. Yeah. So, but I was very
happy that Desi won. She felt like she got well. I really felt
like she would have won last season because she's very smart and she probably could
have done that Sudoku puzzle. But in Zo, I just I didn't like
Zo at all. I didn't like his bald hit. I didn't we Hey,
don't talk bad about bald dads. Please let's watch let's watch the ball
dad. I didn't like him there, yeaous. Yeah, so I'm glad
that. Yeah, so I feel like that was a record. Really I
would have been because the way they were playing it up, correct me if
I'm wrong, the way they were playing it that Chris and MICHAELA were gonna
win. Yeah, it did, because they really didn't touch on Disney at
all. Yep, they touched on Michayla those last couple of episodes, So
as a as a Survivor fan, you weren't rooting for Michayla. Oh,
I definitely was. I love Michayla. I loved I watched Michaela's season.
That was the season her and Jay were on Survivor's Millennials versus gen X.
Yeah, that was actually my first season. I watched all the way through
because for some reason, I can never finish Survivor because it goes on for
a while. But I was rooting for Michayla. But it was hard to
root for somebody because you like Dezzy deserted, but Michayla's coming back after being
first boot. So anybody that comes out and be a first boot and is
able to play a great game and get to the end I always referd too.
And I felt like she got done very, very wrong on the first
season. I forgot what that girl names was that called her out about that
list and then got her targeted, and I just wanted to make I want
to michay Kayla back ever since then. Yeah, same, I loved Michayla
her two seasons and uh, I was, I was just so disappointed when
she was first out of whatever season that was of the Challenge. There was
Spies and Little Spies, season one of those does all blend together? Yeah,
there's like double agents and there's like all those things blended together to me.
But god, they thought with the spots, thank god, yes,
yes, thank god. But she crushed it this season. She crushed it.
She proved she's a force to be reckoned with. I hope we see
her back. I hope she does just as well next time. Uh yeah,
because people like that didn't. I just remember on Twitter and on Reddit,
people who haven't seen a Kaylan survivor and just watched her on the Challenge
for saying like, I don't know how you guys think she's the strong player.
It's like, do you guys can see the macaeleb that I saw Survivor?
Let her actually do a Challenge season. She can dominate, and she
proved everybody wrong the season and she did great. I agree. I don't
think anybody, I don't think any Challenge fans can doubt her now. She
she dominated politically, athletically, she did really really much, very rare that
especially now in the earl now with the newer season of The Challenge. Very
rare that a new first book gets brought back, so I'm glad, but
a lot of people wanted her to well big It happened for Big T as
well. I gotta remember Big T got brought back Carl Maria too. She
was first Bananas, was first foot, he was first boot on the on
the War of the World's one of those World of the World seasons. I
think, yeah, Big T, Yeah, who will come back and just
dominates. Just Big Ta hasn't been dominating, that's right, because I stole
her nickname. When she was I said, we'll never see her again.
So now I'm Big T. I'm taking that one. And then now she's
a beloved happened at Josh because he got Vodolf first and then someone got injured,
so they brought him back for the World. Yeah, not reminded me
of that. Not a Josh fan in a different universe from I've never seen
Josh again, that's true. Do you think I didn't like him on Big
Brother and when I saw him on The Challenge, I just he was just
more annoying. Imagine watching both tim watching Imagine watching a whole season of Josh
I'm not gonna imagine that. I refuse, cannot do it. Were you
a Paul fan? Absolutely not? In there a Big Brother where I didn't
know who was going to win because Paul was just mean to everybody and Josh
was just the cry baby asshole, so I didn't know it could have been
Christmas. No, I hated everybody. I really thought when it got down
the final three that both the boys would take Christmas to the end and she
would win. Oh you're talking about that person. I thought you were talking
about the holiday. Sorry, I had to step away to let the dog
out. No, I was just Christmas. I was listening. I still
didn't get it, Okay, I followed out, Oh, yeah, Christmas
is a person. It's a horrible person that was on Big Brother Josh season.
She was Josh's ass as well. Well, that sounds like a very
fun place to be. Girls got a crash on. I never noticed how
skinny s fishies legs were like. They zoomed in on us that he does
have body. Yeah, chicken legs. He does body seemed FESTI they've got
they've been doing all night. He skips leg day at the gym. Obviously
every time he was on Big Brother FESSI was had thick, very thick legs,
and then when I got on the Challenge, I never noticed it until
he pointed it out on the episode. I honestly, I feel like it's
this season. I feel like in previous seasons, when he first came on
the Challenge, when Amanda was still on the show, she was talking about
how hot he was, and I'm sitting there right along with her in my
house going FESTI is fun and he is built, and he is tall,
and then he opened his mouth and became an asshole. But he was he
was built the last few years, and then this season he is just he
has lost all of it. Yeah, all of the tone is gone,
all of the muscle is gone. What the body is Yeah, I mean
he's still he's still a good looking guy, but I mean he's still got
that mouth on him and I can't deal with that. That brings him down
about Yes, yes it does. You guys was there? You guys said
that there was like an overnight portion that was took them out. Yes,
yeah, they had to They had to count to an hour within five minutes
and they had to do it three times, so they stood on a they
stood on stumps and kind of it probably would have been born to eighteen thousand.
Yeah, I have a feeling it probably would have been really boring to
watch. And they have they've done and them edited it right though I don't
know they have they've they might they might have been able to, but they
have done that sort of thing with challenges in the past, like there was
when Sarah and Jordan were paired in not Rivals in Yes, Thank You,
in Exes they had there was a whole biking challenge or no, maybe it
was Nexus. There was one of the challenges. There was a whole biking
challenge that was cut out Dirty thirty I think it was. Was it Dirty
thirty? Okay, it might have been Dirty thirty. There have been more
than a few seasons of the challenge where there's been an entire segment cut out
of the the the All Stars All Stars Too controversial thing where they cut something
out of All Stars Too. Oh was that when they were when everyone was
having trouble trying to open the safes at the end? I think so.
I remember MJ went on a Challenge interview podcast and said that there was some
other part and then Janelle reached out and said what other part was there?
And he just kept like trying to talk over it. So apparently there was
some part in the final that they didn't show us, which is why MJ
got to the other half of it so quick. Yeah, so I just
want there was a big controversial thing that everyone talks about that you were talking
about that. Yeah, remember that? Yeah, and MJ is never gonna
well, they're never going to say because he's one, so he's never going
to say what it is. Yeah, that's buried in the history of the
Challenge. I don't think we'll ever know. But I remember when they're whining
sort of teainted MJ and John for that season. Yeah, if people keep
saying how Durell and Janelle basically are the real winners or something that I just
remember they said that it was some s there was another step that wasn't aired,
and MJ came out and opened that can of worms and Janelle put it
on blast and everything. That's what I remember, right, Yep, Yeah,
that sounding familiar. I don't remember exactly what the controversy was, but
I remember it's. Yeah, it's it's a hot debate there. So yeah,
but I really I really did enjoy the season. It's been a while
since I've been able to enjoy a challenge season. I always but they do
this with every season too, that it gets really great at the beginning,
like the first before, I was really good, the middle starts falling because
they always give us a twist, which I guess the twists are mandatory every
season though, and then it just begets it becomes blow and I I just
it's been a while. The last season I was able to enjoy all the
way through was War of the World's One. Yeah. War of the World's
One was good. That was a good season. I really was. Yeah.
I realized they had so many entertaining personality Yeah, and they had,
and then a lot of them. Miller finale, it's crazy are now canceled
Arkdale. That's true. Yeah, that's true. I mean problematic, But
they may also be part of the reason why we all enjoyed that season so
much, because there was so much really intense drama. The Predator predator uh
bear, Oh yeah, I forgot about it. Shit, he's probably the
worst of all of them. Frankly, Yeah, that's true. He's in
jail now, Yeah, he's in prison now. Yeah. Yeah, it's
revenge porn is not an okay thing to publishing revenge of another challenger? Yeah,
Georgia there Yeah, well man, that man. Oh so apparently I
didn't know. So the new season of the Challenge, your other Carlos said,
the new seasonal Challenge has already aired already thirty nine. No, so
thirty nine is about it's going to start this coming week and then but it
zero aired. Yeah, episode zero has aired, So that's the intro to
all of the Challengers. But All Stars four has already been taped. It's
been taped for like six or eight months, and it's just sitting in the
fuck is All Stars four coming with? Why? Probably after? Have no
idea? We need it, we need it. Remember I thought I thought
it was going to air after World Championship because we had a whole two month
break. Yeah, it was a good time out in Yeah, I remember
when World Championship was still airing, they had posted a promo of USA two
that was still filming. Yeah, well, where's All Stars four? Yeah,
it'll be interesting. It may end up being one of those things that
they do season thirty nine and then they finally give it to us. But
by that point, in time, it'll be like a year plus since they
filmed it. Ye, Cam, you'll probably have her second baby, butter.
Yeah, that's true, but it's very true. I heard something on
Reddity. I heard I could be wrong. They said that something happened during
the season where like a conversation came up about paul tics and racism that they
think that the fans are not gonna like or want to cancel the show.
But they used to show, then't They used to show stuff like that back
in the day when these conversations would come up. I mean, the the
show was gonna get canceled after that because they don't think people are going to
agree or something like. Yeah, they showed it many many many years ago,
the choral and the miz when he said some rather racist things, not
rather some very racist things around her and she schooled him on that. Well,
that's the world one that was a huge fight about racism in the street
Julie and Kevin. Yeah, that likes to be like a corner set of
reality TV is they're like, we're gonna, like put a racist in the
house, We're gonna put a black person, We're gonna put a homophobic person
house we're gonna put a gay person with them, like and that way they
can like you know, talk and discuss their differences and like learn each other's
sides. And yeah, I think it. I think it was the season
that Camilla said some real racist ship to to Nelly and Lee Roy and too
various other things and just lost her app fucking mind that they finally, yeah,
when they when they covered that up. I think that was kind of
the the final Yeah, that's the last time. But then also we have
now canceled culture. Now the smallest things make people can't on TV. So
I guess if if they if they're like favorites say something, I think they're
word if their favorite person says something, they're gonna have to be forced to
like put them. Like you saw what happened with Jordan, Like they fired
everybody else who had like a problematic task, but they said, Jordan,
you just got to take some time off because they know they just don't want
to get rid of him. Yeah, maybe it's that they just don't want
because imagine if like CT says something really bad, they do not want to
cant the the fire CET. So they're probably like if Johnny Bana said something
like that, they're not gonna fire him, but they're gonna they're gonna figure
out a way to put him on a pause. And I mean, obviously
we've seen some bad stuff on you know, like people say batstup on the
Challenge, But Johnny's been, you know, seeing that a lot on his
podcast this season, like these Surviving and Big Barripal come in're getting canceled,
and Johnny's like, just say whatever you want there, Like, if it's
that bad, they're not going to show it. Ye, because like all
of us on the Challenge, we we canceled. If they showed half the
stuff we said in this house, yeah, I'd be interesting to I see
them the new season. Fucking Michelle was back. Yeah, we talked about
that earlier. You're excited to see Michelle. I was. I love Michelle
and I loved her on the Winners at War. I then when she came
onto the Challenge, I started seeing why because I didn't understand why people didn't
like her. Mind you, I don't know these people in real life.
I'm just going based on what I see on TV. What are you talking
about? These people are our best friends, we all know all of them.
I don't. I don't. I don't care to know, Johnny,
I don't care to know anything. Yeah, I guess that, Ye,
but I'm seeing I'm starting to see why people don't like Michelle because she's like
very like emotion, you know, and she's like very It's like when she
talks, it seems like she doesn't know what's gonna come out of her mouth.
She just stitch damn Michelle down. She's become very annoying, and I
just like, I get well, producers must really really love her or something
like that. I just like, I think I could have gone another season
without seeing Michelle. I guess she has, but she hasn't. Wont Like,
how do you win a show like Survivor? Michelle will come on this
show and and do terrible. I agree. I feel like Michelle might be
one of the people that came from another show that has had like the biggest
drop and like respect and credibility like have Seene. Yeah, I know people
love love Michelle ont Survive everyone loved her and you challenge people are just doing
because on this news I saw a clip where Big T said that someone told
her not to trust Michelle, Like, who are people that are telling you
guys not to trust her. Yeah, unless she said they're just seeing shows
and see how she acts, and maybe they're going off of that. But
I can understand because Michelle does some snaky stuff and yeah, she tears throw
it away, and I said, I cannot with tears, like this is
not the Josh Michelle Christ should. She has definitely proven to be a little
two faced. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, But I'm just I'm
just not excited. I'm like Tim, Tim, I don't know if I'm
excited about thirty nine. It seems like it's going to be a fucking flock.
Yeah. I mean, I'll watch it and I got my fingers crossed.
It's gonna be good, But I am not excited. I'm usually so
excited at the start of a dud Ready listeners, Yeah, why could they
have like back in the day where it was like four or five winners.
Why is it only going to be one winner? Yeah? Yeah, I
wish I would go back to you because we would have more winners. If
they want to do a Battle of the Battle of the Champs or Evasion of
the Champions again, yeah, but I guess this season is if they want
to do another Battle of the Chance, the invasion of the Champs give us
more winners, like, because I don't know how many female champs can come
back that are willing to come back. We have Tory and Casey. Yeah,
and Casey might be in a little bit of a retirement too, m
hm. So that's from what I've heard. Thirty nine is set up to
get a bunch of dew winners so that forty can be a winner's season because
as of right now, we don't have enough winners that want to come back
and do it or can because like d is a winner who's been canceled,
I'm gonna see her again. Jenny's just really boring. I think her again
the same Jenny is is just like Hasey. Well, why hasn't Jenny been
back? She freaking won. Yeah, Jenny should have been back, but
she's Yes, she's just been forgotten because she's just boring. We can't say
the Born because Casey is boring. Yeah, Born, But Jenny. I
think Jenny could give us a little something because her coming back as a champion,
we can see how her attitude changes. Casey, her attitude didn't change
after coming to champion. She was still the same. She's still boring,
she's still fucking blah. But yeah, they're gonna, I think they're gonna.
They're trying to they're trying to give us a good editing with the season
thirty nine. But they can give us a good trailer, but the season
can be terrible and I'm just not excited. It's too many, too many
fucking terrible people. And they're like, I really don't want to see I
don't want to see the people from UK Challenge. I don't want to see
them. I don't want to see half of the people from last season on
Seat thirty nine. I heard they dropped Johnny Middlebrooks, Like john middle sposed
be on the season, and they dropped him last minute, like the Johnny
and Raven Johnny. Yeah, Johnny middle Rooks that he was supposed to be
on the season, and they dropped him for some unknown reason and brought some
some some terrible person that we don't care. Yeah, most of the thirty
ninety casts I don't care about. I'll still listen to your guys' podcast,
of course. I'll listen to your guys talk. With the way that Tim
is going, women not be having a podcast next season, ye double episodes
in. It might just be fucking guys, I'm away, thank you,
I'll sit the season out, thank you. I'll be back for forty.
It might just be Carlyn and I think we'll somehow. It'll be absolutely terrible
every episode. Yeah you so, Tim, You're gonna be upset that they
give us CT for like five seconds and then that's it. Yes, I'm
gonna be Yes, I'm gonna be devastated. I saw. I mean,
the trailer is really good and Jordan had some some badass line where he's like,
I hope I see you down here brother or something cool. Oh,
that'll be fun. That's right. That was really fun to see that.
But I worry that's like I didn't see it. I didn't see it at
first, but then want to show up the trail like, oh, I
look exactly. But I worry that's all we're going to see of Jordan.
That that's really that's the whole thing that Jordan does. But I guess because
Jordan, because I think they because I think he was supposed to be on
last season Emanuel and then something with his partner. I would love to see
him and Jordan's on his season together, not Jordan's gonna be there for five
seconds and then we don't see him. I see him in Jordan's saw by
side. Yeah, honestly, i'd be I'd be kind of surprised if Emmanuel
doesn't do really well on this coming season. He did really well on his
season. Yeah, he was Tori's ass, which I don't like. I
mean, yeah, they was both disappointment. Oh god, I don't even
know why Sebastian was not was on this season, like he was such a
flop of a character. He was like he was terrible on The Survivor,
like terrible. I don't remember him. I never watched so long. He
had long blonde hair. He cut his hair off. That's why you probably
don't. I forgot the season, but I remember his face. But he
had long blonde hair. Ghost changed his hair color. But he was not
He had like a like a little show mins on there too, But it
was really that interesting. Yeah. I think he's a boring person. He's
just a boring person. He's a try hard kind of guy. I just
would not. I have no patience for Sebastian. Will we want to see
Dusty on thirty nine? Ye? Dusty? Actually no, I didn't.
Oh god, he creep me the funk out with how how Banana's ass he
was. I feel like a lot of dusty, dusty thirty nine. I
didn't know that he really thought. Yeah, that's not that's not that's not
that old. That's not that old old, younger than bananas and nails,
like, oh, I love bananas so much? Like how old are you?
I'm a thirty nine year old who loves bananas. I can relate.
Have you written Bananas a letter like that fucking weird ass a letter he wrote?
No, yeah, you're on the show. Oh it's weird that that
was unbelievably weird. Thank you for bringing the dusty back up. I'd forgotten
how fucking weird that was. I mean, Tim, you got to witness
the first time I met bananas. You got to see my like chuck moment
that got the Banana camp immediately. Yeah, Carla Carlo, we need you
to meet Banana. Tell us how your time went. Oh god, it's
hanging on the Orlando Airport forever, it'll happen. No, No, I
need Wolfe to meet him and see if Yeah, Wolfe says, I'll call
him a bitch to his face. And I'm like, well, you would
never do that, You would never do that. Well, there's too nice
of a person to do that. Yeah, speaking of him, we should
give him on the phone. Yeah, we should. You know he wouldn't
he would wolf He's way too nice of a person. Don't say nice.
He's a pussy's yes, he's not even bite he's not, he's nothing.
He all right, we're gonna let you go. I'm gonna I'm gonna call
Wolfy. You can at least hear him here. Oh, thank you,
nice talking. Bye. All right, I know somebody else was trying to
call. Hang on a second, I'm gonna call Wolfy. I appreciate everyone
calling in Sonna. Hear them say such great things about like how much we
add to the show for them. I love the shows. Yeah, they're
always very fun to me, very very humbling. We're calling wolf it's the
opposite of humbling, that's what you mean. It feeds your ego? Hello,
Hello, how's your throat? That's fucking terrible. Oh you sound like
ship. Yeah. If you get me sick, I'm gonna I'm gonna be
pissed. Does of it your kid? Me? Inxact sick? Did what
when did that happen like a year ago. It was a long time ago.
You guys must have deserved me real mad if you got me sick though,
Yeah, that's the time that you're like, yeah, my kid is
sick, So like, if you don't want to come over, I understand,
but we're like, well, and I will come over and risk it
like that, we both got sick. Are you around? I'll turn it.
I'll turn him down. I'll turn him down here, you turn him
out up there. I do remember that now. Yeah, I warned you
don't come over if you're worried about getting sick, and then you came over
and got sick, and I was like, well, I don't know.
I told you. Well, Willee, I'm sad I'm not getting to meet
you this weekend. Yeah you mean, but I appreciate you not getting sick
to him. Yeah, well definitely we'll definitely get also back here at some
point. We'll have to go out to dinner or something all together. Yeah,
it was fun. We had a fun day acts, throwing escape rooms,
steak dinners. Yeah, we missed you mad. You know, you
guys have no idea how pissed I've been sitting here at home all day.
Sorry, Bud. Did Cindy come by bring you the chicken noodle soup or
some ship? I told her not to come down. I didn't want her
to get sick. That's probably I felt horrible all there. I'm just like,
I ruined everybody's weekend. You didn't ruin our weekend. You just bummed
us all out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a big bummer.
All right, we want to hear your your thoughts on the finale since you
weren't here to impart your wisdom on us because he's an idiot, which is
hilarious. Right, Bananas finished dead last for the guys, which is great.
Third place we love, which is last. Third place is last.
If you're not first, you're last. Yep. And I am super happy
that Chris one, yes, agreed. We definitely deserved it this year,
So I'm super happy and I'm priickly happy the Dozy one good. Yeah,
it was. I'm happy that both of them went too, And god it
was it was great watching FESTI just funck up royally. That was so fantastic.
I actually liked the format. Did you they spent the day one like
like building up like deficits or whatever. Yeah, and then day two was
an actual like race where all that stuff actually mattered, So Tim, Tim
just stepped away to get a beer. Yeah. Wolf. He said that
he liked the format. I liked the four two except that the advantages were
too big and didn't exist. Yes, the advantages on the second day were
too big, and I feel because of that they made the first advantages irrelevant.
Well they totally did. Yeah, and you can tell by how Corey
got second place. Yeah, you didn't like the ATV part. I thought
that was like too big of an advantage. I feel like the advantages should
have been like, you know, minus a minute if you try and fail,
plus a minute if you try and succeed, or zero if you'd run
past it. Yeah, because it saw its ten miles in all together,
and they got to go two miles on a TV, so that's like a
whole fifth of the final. Yeah, you just get to drive a vehicle.
Yeah, two miles on an ATV, and they also get to miss
a mile and a mile point two on the other one. Yeah, so
that's three point two miles. That's plus a quarter of the final if you
hit the AX Yeah, I can see that. I mean I'm not saying
it doesn't need some refinement, but I did enjoy the fact that, you
know, they earned either pluses or minuses day one. Yeah, and then
it literally was just a race. Like the next day. There's no like
we're going to combine everybody's time or whatever. It's like the first person here
with Yeah, we did get we did get a finish line, and we
didn't get a big check, but we got a finish line in a final
or finish line in a U one. Yeah. Yeah, And it was
everybody, even if they needed to or not running up put their hand on
that flag. Yeah, that's all it matters. Everybody been poor Mikayla,
and it's still up on the mountain. I think the advantages were big,
but I also think everybody had an opportunity to win it. It's not like
there were only four ATVs. If you didn't make the four, then you
you suck. It was like you had an opportunity, you just sucked at
it. So sorry, Yeah, yeah, Johnny's an idiot. We all
agree. Johnny's the only one that I'm gonna put as many heavy rocks in
here as I possibly can. It's totally gonna win it. For me.
You missed it. I think you missed unless you've been listening Wolfy. But
me and Zach figured out Banana's weaknesses is that he is bad at estimating weights
of shit. It's a very weird specific weakness. But he's showed it a
couple of times then, so we're gonna we're gonna see that an elimination where
you have to figure out weights, and everybody's like, throw Johnny in anytime
we see a scale that's bananas. Get Banana's home. No. I tried
to log in just to listen to the audience portion of it, and it
won't let me log in. Under that it keeps because I'm like, wellfy,
I was trying to do that on my phone too, and it keeps
popping me over to actually be part of the recorded version, and that's what
I was getting too. So yeah, uh, well, we're gonna hang
up on you, wolf unless you got something else to say. Yeah,
any other final thoughts for the season, No, go, Chris, wait
to see him on the show again. So we had a caller bring it
up earlier, Wolfie, but josh Man announced me is taking a couple of
seasons off. Do you have a comment about this. Oh, I've been
celebrating ever since I found out. So does Josh have a comment on it?
I could do it. I heard it. There it is, We
got it. Thanks Jos, Josh, Thanks Wolfy, Thanks Josh. It
was nice having us guests. We hope you feel better soon. We're bummed
you're not here. We'll text you about breakfast. Oh good sounds good bye,
bye bye? All right. I know we had at least one more
person calling in. It is getting super late, guys, So if you're
going to call in, call in now and make it short. I'm putting
my phone number in there one more time. Yeah. We've been on this
for almost two and a half hours now, two hours and seventeen minutes.
And it's a finale. Yes, the finale shows are always long and creazy.
All right. He finally should have been an hour and a half.
Hello is this Joker? This is this Joker? Joker? My man?
Wait? How you doing? Man? Joker is just petting you earlier?
That is weird. Should I be offended? Yes, you should be very
worried. Where are you at right now? Joker? Yeah, my dog's
here with us, and so to fill Allison in back up beautiful people.
I think it's only appropriate. What was that? Oh, you're you're you
have a bad connection. Man, stand next to a window, you're cutting
in and out. Hold on. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna in
on the on the story. So Alison, there were we did an over
the what was it the video? We were just one of the movies.
Watch one of the movies over Zoom CTS movie. That's right, his terrible,
terrible movie over Zoom. And my dog jumped on my lap and these
two these to hear, sucking tim or something like going, your dog looks
like Joker because they both got a white beer, both got black hair.
Yeah, Franky, I got I gotta ask a question with all due respect
to the last caller. Okay, not Wolfman. Yeah, but okay,
Zach. Tim especially needs you guys to chime in on this. Okay,
Why is it that everyone seems to be of this crazy opinion that Chris spent
his time on the edge of extinction like sitting on a Chase lounge getting his
feet massaged by Hooli chicks, drinking my ties. It was set up to
be a worse situation than actually being in the game. Yeah, you know
he had nothing. I think it's that he wasn't playing the game. He
was out of the game. He was just sort of an observer. He
had no power at all. He was just there. It wasn't enjoyable.
You're right, it was a hard it was a hard time on that island.
But he wasn't playing. And I do think he played the game out
there because a lot of the people that were out there with him said,
like, every day Chris would wake up and be like, you guys,
go sit by, like I started a fire. You guys go sit by.
I'm gonna go fish. I'm gonna get everyone breakfast, like I'm gonna
like he was doing all the work. He's like, you guys go on
vacation, you relax, let me take care of you. So then when
he got to the end, they're like, oh, this guy like fed
us every day, he made our fire, Like, let's reward him.
Yeah, and then let's let's just state the obvious. Okay, he comes
back and he takes out the guy that nobody in that fricking game could take
out. Yeah, And so what people are saying is what would they rather
do? Give it to Gavin. I did, like Gavin, but no,
I think I think it was horrible. See that's I don't remember anybody
else. I remember Chris and Devon's Yeah, so it seems he's the only
one at work. Absolutely when he was at Tribal Council, it's like,
well, what Devn's gone. There's only Chris left, because Chris is the
only one that's done anything the other two, the other two just sort of
had existed. See my thought, I thought Gavin and Victoria really were like
strategically running that season. The problem was Devin kept finding idols, so like
they can't get rid of him. But I feel like if they could get
rid of him, that was Victorian Gavin's game to just run to the end.
But there, you know, I gotta disagree because if you guys remember
the Final Counsel or whatever, every time Gavin stood up there and tried to
say he tried to take credit for moves that was made in the game,
everybody was kind of popping up said, actually, no, I was the
one that said it to you. I presented it to you. And he's
like, yeah, but I agreed with you, and I went with you
anyway, And I was on the right side of all the votes. It
was like the guy he didn't really strategize anything. Okay, I don't recall
them, I believe you just go back and watch the final Tribal Council with
him, and every time he tries to take credit for something, one or
two people would step up. Actually, no, I was the one that
suggested that to you. But I think part of it too is everybody loves
an underdog, and Devin's was the underdog because everybody was trketing in but he
just kept finding idols or immunity, and so he was like they were just
stuck with him for like seven weeks of this show. It was Chris this
year. Yeah, and then Chris came back and was like, well,
now I'm the underdog because I've been on this thing, but I'm going to
take out the lead guy. So Chris was the underdog. And so I
think people don't like to reward the people that are always in charge. They
like the people that are underdogs to win. We've proved this, remember the
USA two. And he did. And there was another thing he did also
that a lot of people don't seem to ever bring up giving up. He
won that final challenge and he gave up the immunity to go in and take
Devon's out himself. Well, I said that, Yeah, yeah, Chris
was Chris was making final travel counts on no matter what. But he said,
yeah, I would rather give up this immunity and take Devn's out because
I'm the only one that can do it. And then he did it,
and I feel like, yeah, I feel like I've had people like on
the Jerry say that like had he not done that, he might not have
won, like they might not give him the votes. It seems less clear
that. Yeah, I think you're right too. Yeah. Yeah, if
he if he just sits back and let's Gavin, you know, go well,
if let's just say, I don't care who Devin's faces, if Devin
makes the final three, who wins the game? Yeah? Did you guys
ever see the pond A Rosa when he when Devins showed up on the Pond
Rosa. No, I didn't watch it, I'm sure I did. He
shows up and he's just so dejected because you know, he just loses.
He feels everybody just hates him, and they all like just stood there and
greeted him and they cheered him, and he's like was I gonna win and
they're like, yes, clearly, it was amazing. That was that just
it was one of those really great moments. But yeah, Devin's wins that
if he's sitting final three and yeah, and here's the thing, Chris does
it. If Chris is sitting final three with Gavin and Julie without making that
move, he doesn't win. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah,
I don't know. I just don't understand why Christ. It's like,
again, it's like Paul on Big Brother nineteen. I get it. People
may not like the guy, but he completely controlled the game. Nobody was
even close. There's just certain seasons that are a layup. I loved Paul
in nineteen. Yeah, amaking game. Yeah he did what everybody he did
what they say you're supposed to do. But that jury was so damn bitter
are it was? Yeah, But I uh, I just don't understand when
people like and I really hated Chris every time on the season saying you know,
I'm just people telling me I just didn't deserve the win and all this.
I'm like, bro, stop putting that out in the universe. Yeah,
he did have a lot of yeah, a lot of negativity run.
That could be hard if you win and then like you're so excited and every
way you're gonna be able to just like, well, you didn't deserve it,
like hearing that for years. I hope this undoubts some of that.
I hope that people, if they start questioning a survivor win look at his
challenge. When that he did. He played, his back was against the
wall the whole time. He kept doing what he had to do. He
stayed focused, he stayed strategic, and he won it. Uh, it's
only Josh had that kind of self reflection, you know, old brother nineteen.
Yep, I guess I assume. I know what you mean. I
just hate Josh, but I didn't watch The Big Brother. No, no,
I hate Josh too, and and Carlin is as much as I hate
car Carl. I gotta tell you something. Yep, Josh can't make a
final. Yes, you're you are right. He can't. He was inches
away even this season. He can make a final. I'm dying on this
hill, dying on it. Here's the thing. I'm gonna throw it even
farther he can win. Oh, you're pushing it far, you're pushing Look
look at his here's hear me out. Look at it. Look who is
who's his alliance? Kacy? Uh FESSI. I don't know about Johnny anymore.
He's got to but here. But here's the thing. He's he's tied
up with these really powerful people that could carry him. And if it's another
group win type situation, they can carry him because the guy can act unlike
an The guy can run, everyone else could solve the puzzles and do whatever.
If it's a team final, you might have a point. If it's
a team we haven't seen that since the Words too. If it's a team
final, he has a potential. But there's no way in hell even a
duo because I mean we talked about how close slow Down was inches away from
winning Writer or Dies, which is unbelievable to me. But all she had
to do is beat Nannie and then beat beat Tory and uh Devin in the
like a couple of eliminations. You're telling if we get a car or Laurel
back on the show and Josh starts to fight with him, they get paired
on Rivals. Car Laurel couldn't get Josh final. Yeah, I think he
can easily be carried. I mean I'm telling you I will die on this
hill. He will. I hate him too, with the I need him,
with the power of a thousand suns. Joeer, I'm not going to
put you on the spot now, but I'm throwing this out to you as
well as Zach. You Allison. We need to find a bet for Josh
not making the final, something that you will actually like, have something invested
in, because I think Josh can make a final. I think he can
and I and I think he will. I think Josh will be in all
right, I think you will find We gotta figure it out. We got
to figure out this bet, but we will. We will sort this out.
We will do this. I have to kiss Kate just said that I
would have to kiss Josh. That requires us to find Josh. You gotta
kiss. You gotta kiss Wolfy while he's making his Josh force You know what
do we have to Josh's romance? Speaking of kissing Josh, do we have
a show Mas this year? Yes? With the Cassidy Oh you really like
over up and realize that probably sticker tongue and a light socking. My god,
and I'm gonna okay, can I throw a hot take out there real
quick because I'm so, I mean, I actually literally getting physical. My
man, I still look at the challenge. You will say as the JV.
Yeah, it's not the Varsity show. The Varsity Show is the Varsity
Show. But I thought the most dominating performance I've ever seen in any season
of any of the challenges was Turbo. I think Chris just I think Chris
just beat him. Oh, Turbo really didn't have a lot of adversarial opponents
like trying to stop them. I mean, we didn't see anyone trying to
copy Chris as walk. That's right, Chris walked like Turbo. He was
on. I think it might have been a seconds, just like you turned
to coffee my watch. Yeah, because I think first season the Turbot was
on, he was. He didn't have any adversaries. Yeah, I think
that there was. I think they were a little scared of him because he
was insane no matter what. Nuts He was just a slightly friendlier version of
insane the first time. But I mean, and he's if you were,
like, he won two of his seasons of Survivor and he was actually like
to be on a third, wasn't he He was? And he has actually
made to the final sixth and then he got removed for injury, but he
was like the favorite to win his third one in a row. Yeah,
Jesus, the guy's a specimen man, and he's unlike anything you see on
the challenge. That's you know that that whole day and the copy in my
watch. Shit, I mean, I'm not there's the child is still with
pretend tough guys. And then those are the guys, you know, the
Pauli's, you know, and not only I know this is not going to
be real, not gonna go over real. Well, but I'm also gonna
say forking CT because I've never seen the guy punch up or across, you
know, but he has tacked one a lot. That's fine, But that's
fine. You know, I still I've I've grown to like CT. But
the fact of the matter is is that Jordan, he's not a pretend tough
guy. He's just the guy that's just you know, that's read the art
of Ward too many times, you know, enemy superior agitate them and it
worked like a charm with Turbo. And that's and that's what because there I
can't imagine any competition that Jordan beats Turbo. In really well, maybe maybe
it's just a puzzle. Maybe it's just a puzzle, but I guess I'm
thinking physical comps. Jordan does excel in physical comps. But joshu war.
Yeah, I mean that one was almost more mental than it was physical.
But that's because that's because Jordan made it that way. It's tug of war
is not mental. Jordan forced it to be mental. And just how Alison
knows that Jordan only has one hand. That's why it's impressed. Jordan and
Floren without the fingers on one of his hands, so he's got like the
palm, but he doesn't have this or someone. It just makes Josh's failure
that much greater. Yeah, this tug of war way Josh and lost that,
Oh no, not at all. So the tug of war so that
Allison's aware the both Josh is standing on one side and he's and Jordan's on
the other, both on boxes about the same high as his table, and
the rope goes down in the middle and they have to you know, typical
tug of war. And Jordan comes to realize that Josh has a tell every
time he's going to do a big pull. And so Jordan kind of fakes
it out like, oh, I'm losing my balance and sees Josh do it
pull it real hard one time and he just lets go of the rope and
Josh falls off his or he doesn't completely like, he like lets it slide
through his hand a little bit and Josh falls backwards off the war and he
does it twice, does the same exact move twice and Josh fails both times,
and it was it was taculate because it's like, You're looking at this
guy and how is he ever going to win? Josh has like four or
five inches on him, easily has fifty pounds on the guy. He's got
an extra handy like Jordan also want to sledgehammer sledgehammering competition too, against against
Zach who looks like thor Yeah, against uh who's the other one with the
THEO yep, just because Jordan had a better swinging technique. But still you're
swinging a sledgehammer with one hand, yep, what a disadvantage. And he
won it twice against two very strong competitors. The guy is an unstoppable force.
He's crazy, and I I would I would bet for Jordan no matter
the competition, No matter who he's against, I will always put me on
Jordan. We need to well, I need to him versus Fatty A couple
of times in a physical compo, seems like that's the well and then the
was the one with the patches. Oh yeah, it's Amo, but he
one, he went one, he did, but he'd be FESSI did he
Besie's beat him twice beat Are you seriously gonna bring that up? The dude
has one hand joker. Anytime he beats anybody with two hands, it's like,
holy shit, he did it because he gotta grab patches with two hands.
He's got one of them, Like what a disadvantage, and he overcomes
it every time. He's a crazy g The only way I could say is
if you put Ammo and Josh any physical gump, I'm gonna pick Josh.
I don't like Josh, and I think Josh is the dumbest fucking guy that
I mean. But you know what kind of freak you know freaked me out
the other night about a week or so ago. He kind of arrests something
sexually, and I mean, that's that's that was a while ago. But
he literally came close to beating Fessi in a fucking hall brawl that Bessie literally
found a way to almost lose to Josh. Yeah, did you imagine?
Awful? But it would have been great. I know, I know what
it's like to win a whole bro because I'm fruscinated, was like, oh
god for the next ten years. Yeah, no kidding, you know.
Yeah, I would have loved it if it were not the final, the
final elimination, I would have loved that. Yeah, yeah, it's I'll
listen. Josh was getting too close to the end. I needed him to
go. I don't care how it happened. Put the guy out of my
misery. You know, it was just he got I was. I gotta
be honest with you, man, I'm watching to edit this guy's getting all
season long for starting getting the toast that that still makes me sick. Yeah,
they did give him a hero at it this season. They did really
might get to the final, even possibly win. I thought so too.
I thought he was going to get to at least. I knew he wasn't
going to win the season because it was a single season. There was just
no way. But I really thought he was getting to the final. I
did too, man, I thought, I thought Colin's gonna have to eat
her hat. But to me, you can use soup. I don't know
what is that is just oh god? But yeah, I'll tell you what
though. I do like this season, but I think you guys were talking
about the Challenge All Stars for that it's already been in the can. Why
are they not that ship yet? And nobody knows. There's theories about the
strikes and stuff and who knows. I think we'll see it though we got
to see it. You know what I found irony? You know what I
found the irony about it is what you know? Uh, I like you,
I like John Ay always kind of have, but I always, you
know, accepted that she's a layup and the fact that she stars, you
know that just told me that there wasn't a lot of real competition on the
women's side of those HM. But yet they here we go the first season
they bring in Kara, Laurel, Rachel, did Cam? Isn't Cam in
it? And I think, and I want to say, like Emily or
somebody else is in it? You know who's not in it? John A,
Yeah, figure, yeah, no, you're right, Joe. Her
wins are not the most impressive because of her competition, but she's still a
two team champ and you can't take that away from her. I can't.
You can't. I can't, Josh Wins. I'll make sure to remind you
my heart take and I know that farm people just give it. But I
look at those All Star seasons like they're enjoyable, but they're like Champs faur
Stars. They don't count there your varsity. They are. Oh by the
way, Zachi Zachie Banana. Dude, have you listened to Johnny and Chris
or is it Johnny and uh? I forget who on Rob has a podcast
their exit interviews? I saw i not listened to it yet. Okay,
I've always been a Johnny fan man, but these last two seasons, this
guy is just straight up fucking insufferable. I swear to God, the last
two seasons. I like, that's always I find out crazy because I feel
like most people feel the off I feel most people say like he was insufferable
when he was younger. As he gets older, he becomes more tolerable.
That it looks like a urinary track infection and human feeling. You know,
it's just it's ridiculous. This guy and you watch him on this on that
exit interview, I swear to god, he just sucks all the energy.
I want to see this guy go on Special Forces. I would love to
see that. I'd love to see those guys get hold of Johnny. Wow,
some real, real competition. Yeah, well, well, Carlin,
you saw what they did to my boy Tom Sandoval. No, like said,
I haven't actually watched that show, but I sent you the video though.
Oh yeah, that's true. No I haven't. I I saw it,
but I jog my memory. Tell it to everybody else. Well,
it's it's well, here's the thing they bring every I don't know every A
couple of times on every show they'll bring in one of the celebrities to ask
him what their problem is. And they're drill sergeants of like the SAS and
Navy Seals and Special Forces and ship and they don't take any crap, and
they're they're very hard and they're very stern. Well, they bring in Tom
Sandoval. Tom just starts going off about how there hasn't they made the mistake?
They go, what's your problem? Then he starts going off, Well,
if this last year has been just so horrible, it's been a nightmare.
Nobody's been a bigger villain than I am. And her publicist, man,
it's just going out of her way to screw me and blah blah blah.
And he's just going on non stop. And you see the you see
the drill sergeants ready to tap out. They're just they're they're slouching in their
seats, you know, with their hands. Yeah, and they're like this
and they're like, my god, this guy, yeah, just keeps talking,
just keeps talking. I feel Johnny this. But Tom Sandoval is cool?
Who is Tom Sander So? Tom Sandaval is the is one of the
one of the character characters, one of the cast members from Manicump rolls.
Oh okay, he's the one who cheated on his life partner with a girlfriends
life Hey gat friend. No no, no, no life partner. They
were for all intentsive first purposes married, They owned a house together, multiple
businesses together, and have been together for almost ten years. Oh that's okay.
Well, I guess I missed that part. I mean, I'm still
just starting to kind of get into it. But you know what, I'm
growing my mustache out now because I want to be cool like Tom. The
picture the picture Joker will no socks with suits. Yeah, that's gonna be
my thing now me because yeah, this guy is just so freaking I mean,
I'm thinking about cutting my hair like this guy man because he's so cool.
You know, wolf he was my spirit animal. It's now Tom sand
of all. Yeah, Wolfe's been demoted. Man slipping a little bent man.
You know, I agree with you. He's totally slipping. John striking
to Yeah, he fucking gets sick instead of partying with us all day.
I was falling Carlin at dinner that I'm kind of like, I've been watching
the House of Villains. I'm kind of into Jack's. So maybe I need
on this vander pump Rules thing with your Joker. You have fun fun over
there, Tom, Tom's Jacks is. I don't know, but I'll tell
you something. The women on this show are fucking out of their minds.
They just I don't understand their world. They just it's crazy. They just
don't Yeah, it's there were the world just uh, I don't know what
we are to them. Nothing, They don't know that we exist. Where
do they fall on the crazy hot scale? You know, you you walk
if they if you walk, then yeah, well you walk into their yard
like one of us walks into the yard, They're gonna point to the lawnmowers.
You know, that's that's the kind of thing. What are you talking
about? What do you mean, Joker? Did you seek? Everybody's there
to serve them. It's insane, Like Okay, I was like, they're
gonna win at a lawnmower? What's that gonna there? Okay, get yeah,
everybody's there to serve them. Yeah, I get you now, Okay,
Well I like you, Joker, but we've been doing this for almost
three hours. We're all if every people I'm watching on on video seeing our
energy drain out and we're gonna get another call. But we love you,
Joker. You know what. I hope one of he gets topless soon.
Man. That's talking to exact anyway by a joker. Hello, Hey,
Hey, what's up? Hey? We are easing out of this show,
so make it quick. What do you want? Eric? Hi? Eric?
I gotta say, I love you guys, hilarous, we love you
more. Yes, you are the best you personally. I want to I'm
a little tipsy me too. I'm more than a little tipsy. Eric.
If you heard our last wou Jugger wants me to take my shirt off?
What do you think? Are you watching on video? I was, but
then something happened to my computer, so I'm on my phone now. Oh
all right, well he still take your top offs? All right? So
that Mormon underwear? O. God, he's doing taking. He's going he's
the underwear. Even the underwear is okay. I did not did not expect
that. But okay, here we are, guys. We're losing it.
We're losing it. Drug, Eric, get on a video. This is
a very unexpected turn of events. He's trying to get his Jerry beef.
You know, Eric, what'd you think of the of the finale? Oh?
All the bets lost? Thank fucking god? You want for the events?
Hell? No, like they spent all fucking seasons, especially uh old
ass Johnny Banana's talking about this is our show. Yeah, you're a different
just because you've been doing this show for fifty years. You're coming here angry
and Jack that just took his shirt off for you, and you're talking bad
about Banana's his boyfriend. You can't do that. I can't. Yeah,
I I fucking hate Johnny. I'm just pick you cornious person. To the
oldest. Even you have to have been Zach. He's a corny guy,
like like the earlier season. It's just like these these last couple of seasons
like ever so maybe world worlds or like total madness. It's not like it's
authentic from him anymore. It seems like he's reading a script, where back
in the day it seemed like he was more authentic with these with this shit,
but he's not authentic with it anymore. Yeah, I could see that.
Yeah, I agree with that well. And the part of that's getting
old. Yeah, as you get older, I've experienced this myself. You
have a lot less to say, and you're dead inside. So your life
just has becomes sort of like acting as if you're a normal human being with
life and soul in Usta and you hate everyone and you don't care about anything.
Yeah, but you got to pretend like you like people, and you
got to pretend like you're excited about shit. And so it's unauthentic because it's
not you don't give a fuck anymore. When you past forty, it's like
it's all downhill. I'm talking to all you people that are not yet forty
in the room. I feel like some people naturally have a like on the
House of the one show that I'm watching, New York is on there.
I think New York is just naturally authentically funny, and it doesn't seem like
he's trying. It seems like he's just doing it for the cameras. Yeah,
I get that. He does feel very I take on there. Yeah,
I mean, I think most of the people villains seems very inauthentic.
Shows more on that show because he's with a lot of reality TV icons.
Yeah, and on the Challenge, these people are just regular basic gas people.
Yeah, I agree, and he does. He's a dad joke guy,
which is fine. I'm a dad joke guy too, but it's weird
when it's coming from bananas. Yeah, dropping dad jokes and puns and ship
it's weird. And uh, I'm glad fucking Bestie's dumb ass went the wrong
way. Thank you, thank you. Hey. What's your take? Did
he do that on purpose or was that an accident? I just think he's
it showed shortcut, so I don't know. I'm not Bessie's brain, And
honestly, I don't want to be in there. It seems like it's fucking
scary in there, like a lost hole. But it said but it said
shortcuts. And then I remember watching it, it showed Tory on the long
trail and then all of a sudden he was on a different truck. Yeah,
I'm thinking, how the fuck did BEESTI get there so fast? And
then come to find out his stupid I had thought, Yeah, it showed
the map where everybody was, and I was like, how did he get
there? What's going on? But yeah, exactly, but he could he
could have beaten Corey if he just went the right way, he would have
gotten there before Corey. I think, you know, I think Tory was
just fucked either way. But he had a slight We'll never find out now,
but I think Best had a slight chance to beat Corey there because Corey
was so far behind Corey. I gotta, yeah, question, is Corey
like the dumbest person on this season? On this on this season he might
be the doubleest president? Man, he's such a moron? Yeah, Like,
I never seen somebody suck at a final this bad in a while.
Yeah, day he first day, he did all right, He finished second.
It wasn't that bad. Yeah. The reason wife second is because Banana's
messed up on that scale. I don't know how bananas fuck that up so
that it just went all the way down like that was a miscalculation towards finals.
Yeah, it was funny how quick that dropped. It was like not
closed, Yeah, because it sort of banged the ground and then it sort
of like levitated half a millimeter off the ground and he looked at DJ like
does that count? Cory got very lucky just had Banana's not screwed that up,
he would have finished in third Coy Like the second day, Corey just
had like the luck on his side because Festi messed up that axe and had
to do an extra mile, and then had Festi not meant the wrong way,
he would have probably beat Corey and Corey would have been first out,
which he been suck. But we can't say that though, because a lot
of people like to talk about Casey's when how she sucked all the whole entire
final and until that last leg. So are we're going to hold Corey to
the same had Corey had won? Do we hold that same accountability to Corey
that as we do the case? Yeah? I do think I think if
Corey had won there'd be an asterisk next to this one. I think people
would be upset about it. Yeah, but I'm happy you got a second.
You know, we learned from we learned from a dance home videos.
He's not gonna handling large, heavy objects, you know, Jesus. I
think I think if it like I know, Fussy did the whole. If
you think I can't win, like Festy, this was your chance to win.
It was you go to a flagship show, which I'm surprised that he's
not on. He's not on a third nine. They have Michelle's on there.
Why didn't they get like the people that lost this season? Was some
of them over there? Yeah? I don't know. The casting is always
really weird. Yeah, why is a soft back? Yeah, I don't
know they wanted. I thought when I first saw that fucking ship show,
but cast thirty nine, I said, what the fuck is this? All
right? We see eye on this. I'm not excited about thirty nine either,
because why the I don't understand why the fuck they got uh ed there?
I really, I'm actually really excited to see Eddie a pretty decent show
again. Guys, he was fucking born on spas lies and allies. I
don't know. I didn't think it was all that boring. I thought he
was kind of fun. He's kind of a goofball. I can't remember again
he did on that. I can't except he was kind of goofy and he
had sort of a good spirit. And see that sound like that? Why
the fuck are they getting all these people from the different renditions of the channels,
like Australian version that. Yeah, I wish that they kept it to
the US supposed to be like Flagship, because I didn't watch any of those
flags I don't watched. The people I saw was the people that was on
that World Domination, Global Domination. That's all I watched too. Yeah.
Uh so I see Zara's there, which I like her, but I already
of the Mercenary people, Yeah, I saw that. Why did they get
her and not? I would have loved to see Kiki on there? I
fell in love with her on a season on the way with the boring ass
winner. I'm sorry Cals didn't do nothing but talk about THEO all damn time,
which is the most important. Yeah, that's she did win because she
was paired of because she is because she had Jordan's But anybody that was here
with Jordan would have won. Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy, Like I'm
very excited for the season. I'm glad Daisy won. I loves she should
have won last season, but her dumb ass partner sucked it up for her.
But I'm glad that she got the story and hope we never should come
back. They should never call him for the Challenge to ever get keeping.
Oh, I don't think they will. I think he's too old. I
think the fact that he quit in the final like he's never coming back.
But yeah, he needs to stay there. I still think that if you
can't swim, you should not be allowed on the Challenge. Nd percent can't
swim. Be'st majority of people cannot swim at all. Make them lessons and
learned. They gotta take some lessons, Yes, some people do. We've
seen some people take lessons and try to figure it out. But I mean,
unfortunately, come back. Guy, who's that guy that almost drowned?
We saw him have a freak out in the water a few stand Jose he
does remember he like a like a chicken trying to move into that water.
Yeah, he'd drag some of their team members and the water is ridiculous,
like you should not be on the challenge. When jose fell in the water
and I was legitimately worried that that man was gonna die. He was legit
drowning, so he looks like he was going to die. Yeah, it
was crazy, like like, you like swimming, should definitely be up there.
And I say it the same thing about Amanda, who I can't stand
like Amanda. She claims that she's good at puzzles. She's and oh another
thing, when they were doing that that fucking cinder block thing of people that
was on the season, I forgot half these motherfuckers on this. I couldn't
believe it. It's a john A. I was like, what's Johnny's name
doing up there? About her? That's like a yeah, this season this
is this is Amanda was on there, Like, oh, I forgot Amanda's
flock ass on the bed. I could never forget fandam Yeah, but she
claims that she's good at puzzles, but the thing is she's terrible eliminations and
she's sucking up it puzzled and she can't swim, she can't run. What
is she good at? She's really entertaining. You think she's pretty also super
hot. Give me some exactly that is because I think carl Maria is beautiful
as fun. My number one challenge woman of all time is Carria. It's
just like when she does the difference. I was so used to her red
and purple, but when she started like doing all the different colors in her
hair and distract from how pretty her face was. But I think Carmeria is
fucking gorgeous, great TV, and she's good at the challenge. Amanda is
not good at this challenge. Is step talking about Feesty who Festy doesn't want?
Doesn't want you that she didn't go off about that, But I think
was away gorgeous. She was gorgeous, propped out gorgeous. Daisy is too
pretty, too pretty for the show. She's too good for this show.
Just generally everything about Desi is too good for the show. Jesny is like
she glows, like she was a little glowing through this whole fun sobbing.
When she was sobbing about winning, I was like, fuck you look so
when you're just crying. Nobody when they're crying except Desie. That's the only
person that this entire world beautiful crying. Yeah, but aside from aside from
Dosi, I I really think even though we're on carme real, I just
think car Maris is so beautiful. Do you think she should smile? She's
a smile a little bit more when she smiles. I just think she just
looks so pretty. Smiles in her eyes her eyes turned into those little half
moons, which are like super adorable. Yeah, yeah, she's beautiful.
I'm just mad, like I see that she's on next seasonand but why the
fuck did we see Pauli's return before her return? Well, because she was
on All Stars four and All Stars four hasn't come out yet. Yeah,
they're kind of going out of order. Yeah, her car Maris return was
before Polly's, but just air wasn't it before thirty nine as well? Yeah,
so it'll but they just they just haven't aired the season yet. If
they had aired the season this past uh like this past year, this past
summer sometime like during that two month break, then we would have gotten her
first. Yeah. But for some reason, like literally all the comments,
like if you go to challenge reddit and under the Instagram, all the comments,
now, where the fuck is All Stars four? They said this is
the longest. Then they say this is the longest of the season has yet
to air. I think I saw that somewhere. Yeah, by a lot.
Yeah, there was a count and it's yeah, it's exceeded it by
several hundred days. That's crazy. Like I need him to come and drop
those That's that was the only season I was really crazy ready to watch.
Every other season can go suck it. I'm not excited for thirty nine.
I'm gonna listen to you guys, because you guys make it so much better.
I like to hear Harlane, I love your a Za's takes, and
I love you all. I love you great to hear thanks, we love
you too. I'm not ready for this ship. I'm not ready for that
sit show. I hope I hope they get zero views. I hope they
get Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not ready for you that. Hey,
we'll hate watch it together. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, like
Tim, I'm ready to hear your like ship on the like every week every
week. You know, Tim, the cast, who are you least excited
to see on that castle ASoft He's like, why the fuck is he back?
He didn't do anything nothing. He was the first out and he's one
of the He's on every real audience show ever. This guy has been on
everything. He's been on a bunch of them. I forgot cooking shows like
Celebrity Big Brother, Celebrity Ninja Warrior, something like Dancing with the Stars,
ships and everything. He's been on everything, and he's just one of these,
Like he's just there for to be on TV. He's not an interesting
It's crazy to me. First season, like we were forgotten that. We
didn't forget the him and Tory dated previously, but he was on toll.
They had yet to acknowledge he's from m TV show. They have yet to
acknowledge that. I don't understand why. But I don't understand why he's there.
I don't understand why he was there. He was a fucking as well.
He was that girl from the Mold Well that was actually personally, that's
my girl. I mean, Colleen, why is gorgeous? Mariah's boring?
Mariah is gorgeous, but she's boring too. She's too plastic. She was
gorgeous last ye and then, but now she's just Leana plastic. Zach,
I don't know if you are you going to be the big big Mariah fan
this season because I heard she cheats on your boy. I heard that too.
She's on him with that with that old looking guy. She must have
debty issues because that guy she's on with his old I'm here for Olivia and
Colleen. Those are my girls this season. Beautiful in persons act, Olivia
likely gorgeous the person. She is absolutely stunning in person, second only to
my wonderful girlfriend also right next to him. Yeah, I love I love
that Olivia's back. I love that she didn't let the accident mess her up.
I'm roomed for Olivia and I'm moving for I know Big T is not
gonna win. It's just she's not. I just love her. But yeah,
she's great and yeah, but yeah this, yeah, I'm yeah,
Yeah, I'm just I'm just not I'm just not excited, Guys. I
hate to be a Debbie down I'm just not excited. I'm a Debbie Downer
too, man. But we'll hate watch it together. It's gonna be awesome,
exactly. I love you, guys. We love you more. Hey,
and I have my show right now. If it's a terrible season,
maybe at least next time I'll take my pants on there. You go,
don't threaten me. Thanks for all right, this has been great. But
it's been three hours and that's yeah, I'm done. It's been fantastic having
all of you call in. Yes, thank you everybody. We do have
an AI song to play, Carling, will you play the AI song?
It's very exciting. Listen, here we go, moments they race Corey in
the plassifier face the pitives embrace. Yes they come, and there we go
the faked playing catching the swift finish in the fight, see Darren, Yeah,
as you cut in line, that's right. The challenge in the US
a king to in col you adventure on bots in the world of competition,
which change the stories of It's so so Hayton is my bat pit in the
beats? Right? It's so bad. But isn't it amazing that a computer
did that? Like, isn't there something interesting that's like, holy fucking ship,
a computer did the whole thing. Good tech, guys. So you
than I've fed in like six bullet points and now I have a song.
It's crazy, right, It's a crazy fucking thing. It's a it's a
crazy piece of technology. Just let's look at it from that respective. It
is a crazy piece of technology. I'm not gonna stop there. We're gonna
have We're gonna have a terrible song every episode of this show from now until
I'm done doing this show. Well, if we think thanks and they'll just
slowly get better, we think next sunsone is gonna be terrible. At least
we'll have a terrible song to be exactly right. Yeah, yeah, all
right. So do we want to close it out? Do you want to
go through Patreon things or we just on it tonight? Let's get the Patreon
thing because I don't have that up. But we did get an extra We
we got a review today. We love your We love your reviews that you
leave on like Apple podcasts and all the other things. This one is from
J D. Lunar oh one titled after you, mister Zachie Bananas. Although
you are not referenced in the review. I don't know why it's titled after
you. That must have been like who's your favorite? Maybe that's it says
love the show and be listening to you for listening for years, it's my
favorite challenge podcast and Rezero degrading comments in any of your season's episodes must have
been that one talking about what. I really want to know where that came
from. I feel like they were listening to somebody else's yeah lost me at
he must be weird or he's gay. That's that was the Yeah, that
was the one. It's still here. I listened to them for a second
time, so they like re reviewed us listening for We appreciate that. Thank
you. I did not have any I would be a patron if you took
cash. Hey, come on down to Germantown Hills, Allinois. We'll take
cash. Thank you. Tim gives out his address. You could just mail
two ten hand and drive cashiers check from the banks. Yes, please stop
on bye. Thank you for entertaining me for an hour a week for the
past five years. I'm thinking, yeah, you're welcome. That's it.
Well, thank you for the review. Did I say who that person's name
was? JD Lunar? Oh, thank you JD. We love you.
Yes, thank you are officially our patron or slash for viewer of the month.
Yes you're not paton. You're a reviewer of the month, reviewer of
the month feeding because seventy seventy seven who complimented Carlin. So, Carling,
do you want to let that go or are you are you going to pump
up? Well? I feel it you seventy seven and a few the compliment
made so not that's month though, Oh it's a month, right, it's
a month. Yeah, I mean I appreciate all the all the comments.
Yeah, and it is really touching to hear anybody say we've been listening for
years. Yeah, that shit, it's really It means it does me not
otherwise I had stopped doing this years ago. Yeah, that's great. Very
little that keeps me going, So feed me, feed my ego. I
sometimes worry that Allison stops pay attention to me after a couple hours. So
the fact people listen to us for years, yeah, it's crazy, it's
crazy. It's nice getting in on the you know, the ground floor of
this show. It's the opposite of the most people say it's humbling, but
it's not. It's the opposite of it. It's ego building. Yeah,
you know, it's nice being able to join this show sixty seven. Well,
we built it. We built the fuck Empire and allowed newbies to join
it. We're very generous people, you know. I know she made me
promised never say this, and I'd already say it. Once and say again.
But like when I met Crystal, she almost hearted crying, like she's
like, I was like, why are you She's like, I can't believe
I finally get to meet you. I'm sorry, Crystal, I love you.
And you said they never call this, but yeah, it's very touching.
We love all this. We love all this. Yes, and I
love you, Chris. I'm sorry that you didn't come to join us.
She's in Illinois. YouTube. Yeah, next time, Crystal come join us.
We're not doing an after show, guys, I'm calling it. Yeah
hours three hours only have one social media. It's quick, it's not even
that relevant to us. But uh, Hirasio's original show he came to his
friend was called Exultant in uh in like South America or whoever that's called between
US and South America, and uh they Centralica. Yes, anyway, they
just announced Exultant All Stars and Hiassia will be a contestant on it. Okay,
well cool? Oh and and Corey about a house this week or yeah,
people were speculating does that mean he won? No? Apparently no,
All right, well bye, everybody, We love most of you. Ye
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