1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,640 Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of my JavaScript story. This week, 2 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:14,679 I'm talking to Rakesh. How do you say your name? Yeah, 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,039 Funday And yeah he's up in the middle of the night talking to us. 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,000 But yeah, why why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself, let us 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,920 know who you are, where you work, what you do, all that 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,519 stuff, and then we'll dive into your story. Hey, folks, this 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,559 is Charles Maxwood and I just launched my book, The Max Cooder's Guide Defining 8 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:34,000 Your Dream Developer Job. It's up on Amazon. We self published it. 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,479 I would love your support. If you want to go check it out, 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,840 you can find it there, The Max Cooter's Guide Defining Your Dream Developer Job. 11 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:43,280 Have a good one, Max out. So my name is Dacas Funday. 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:49,079 I'm co founder and CEO of JAS Tigers. The focus of JAS Tigers 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:55,200 is too art, especially on dallascip on cool and uh yeah, we had 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,920 a little bit of a chat yesterday. Got introduced through somebody else to tell 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,000 me on Twitter. But I'm always interested to talk to people in different parts 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,439 of the world and get a feel for, you know, where people are 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,920 at, what they're doing, what their communities are like and things like that. 18 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:11,120 So yeah, we'll get into that stuff in a minute. One thing 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,040 I'm curious about, though, is how you got into programming. I think 20 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:19,959 I was in my eleventh standard in school, so I had an optional paper 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:26,640 between computer science. That's what I started. That was in I think ninety 22 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:32,079 three. Yeah, the year was ninety three. The first language read I 23 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:34,680 learned was Pasca. Oh cool. What was it about programming that got you 24 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,359 excited about it or made you want to do more of it? Then you 25 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:42,280 can write things and make computer too. Things that you write the computer was 26 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:47,879 like, you know, an interesting device. Nice. So you get in 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,799 you're learning how to program. How old were you at the time nineteen we 28 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:57,400 must be sixteen sixteen. Yeah, so you're writing code in Pascal. What 29 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,439 did you do next with regard to coding and learning to code? And what 30 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:05,799 kinds of things did you write? I think we started with normal. I 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,879 remember one particular project that we did. This was in next year, that 32 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:15,120 is twelve standards. One of my my friends we developed a kind of a 33 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:21,560 quiz program using was it or paste, using pastor and file systems, so 34 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:27,680 like I PEG nominalature international. This was for chemistry for learning chemistry, we 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,120 build a project on that. So it was so diagram or any compound on 36 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:38,479 the screen with the timer and the person has to answered enter the correct answer 37 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,159 and he gets scores. There have a different kind of test, one of 38 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,199 rapid fire round whatever. There was another round where he could say, I 39 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:47,960 don't remember exactly everything, but yeah, this kind of a quiz quiz program. 40 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:53,759 So that was one program that I remember if we wrote in school as 41 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,879 part of the project. Right, that's interesting. So as you're learning how 42 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,000 to build programs like this, at what point did you know that you wanted 43 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:07,919 to do this as a profession. Okay, so I did my bachelor's in 44 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:14,039 physics. Actually, oh yeah, in physics there was a paper and microprocessor 45 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:16,800 it's a raat fight, So I found that very interesting. Then there was 46 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,280 another it was not a paper, I think it was boolin and zebra. 47 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:24,919 So these tyde of things, digital electronics, these type of things interested me 48 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,039 a lot in my physics. So actually after twelve, I was interested in 49 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:35,560 going to study computer science only, but my family was on in support of 50 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:38,360 this, so they asked me to first first physics. So after I finished 51 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:44,520 my graduation, then I passed an interest as for a master's course in Delirioust, 52 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,560 which was an I m s C. I okay there, I but 53 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,360 but I worked on my fundamentals there. I sat down in the library and 54 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:57,879 really involved on my fundamentals there and computer architecture modishment and all those things. 55 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,199 I tried to make deeply inside the concept. What what languages were they teaching 56 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:08,400 programming languages? Okay, in my MSc we had it's up to you, 57 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,199 actually, but I think Java they don't actually, okay, C plus US, 58 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,759 Yeah, they were teaching CUSS. Yeah, that's probably around the same 59 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,920 time I was getting my bachelor's degree computer engineering, and yeah, the computer 60 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,879 science departments were teaching CSU. They were teaching Java and C plus plus so 61 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,759 they were teaching there too. So yeah. Interesting. What is the university 62 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,720 system like over there in India? Is it pretty comparable to the rest of 63 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:32,920 the world or do you do things a little bit differently than you do, 64 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,839 Say in the United States, we have a bachelor's for three years and then 65 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:43,040 we have master's. A Bachelor lot of Science is three years course and then 66 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:47,199 we are Masters of Sciences two years course. I think I'm not sure about 67 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:53,720 US, and I think the US MS is one here probably and Master of 68 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Science, yeah, I think here the bachelor's degree is four years and a 69 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,839 master's degree usually around two years, but BID is four years four years in 70 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:10,000 India also, yeah, b C is three years and four years. Okay, 71 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,839 so I actually did complete my MSc. I saw by the final year 72 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:17,199 of my master's I had decided I wanted to be an entvieur and self employer 73 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:21,720 and all those things right in DC. So finally the year I didn't appear 74 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:27,120 for the finals, so I didn't complete it per se. Yeah, knowledge 75 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,680 wise, I'm satisfied. I did try to learn as well as possible. 76 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,920 Makes sense. So you go out and you start your own business. What 77 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:38,879 kind of business did you start up with? Exactly a business I started, 78 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:43,519 So for one year I just took up a job as a marketing executive in 79 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,560 some marketing agency, just to learn how to do marketing. And then after 80 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:50,639 that, after one year that I started freelancing. And I started as a 81 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:57,839 freelancer. So my first project was on BB six and zero And that makes 82 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:00,519 sense. So you were freelancing. At what point did you get into JavaScript? 83 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,160 Okay, I was just thinking about it, so probably in two thousand 84 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:11,360 and six, I got a project to development client. So there I remember 85 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:17,680 writing Joe javaskipt for the first time, form validations, M redirecting a page 86 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:23,560 and all those things, very basic, normal on the top of the page, 87 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,680 right on some midfunction, these kind of things. That's why it's unda 88 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,759 And I remember at that time because that's about when I was getting into web 89 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,480 development. JavaScript is kind of a thing that you had to deal with. 90 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:42,000 It wasn't something that people actually usually opted to go and learn, right, 91 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,000 So what what was it that made you eventually decide to go all in on 92 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,920 JavaScript? Yeah, at that point, if you're right, Jawski was on 93 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,480 a primary skill set somebody was somebody would love you would say, I'm a 94 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,040 PHP developer, on a Java developer, on a continent developer, not a 95 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,000 so like I I did after that, like I started a company with my 96 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:09,519 co founder Ma that didn't work well. Then I went back to felancing. 97 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,240 So then once some somebody said something to me which I can't tell in detail, 98 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:16,560 but yeah, one one day this happened to me that why am I 99 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:19,839 doing this free glancing and everything if I'm not enjoying it. At that point 100 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:23,439 of whime, I was working on PHP, and I was not really enjoying 101 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,040 it. I was like, okay, find whatever work I get, I'll 102 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:28,720 do it. So I decided, okay, let me think what is it 103 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:31,199 that I really like doing. So I felt, okay, JavaScript is interesting, 104 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:35,079 let me focus on jobs. So from their point probably this was two 105 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,639 thousand and thirteen or fourteen, I said, okay, from their hair onwards, 106 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,560 I will only work on Jaska and nothing else. I try to build 107 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,439 my specialization in this. But I did get the projects in Jabbo Javaskip. 108 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:51,439 I got got projects on a lot of projects in actually Google apscript that we 109 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:57,199 spoke on the other day also, which is also JavaScript. Everything is it's 110 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,160 also Javaski. It was just that we have spread shtub, talks object and 111 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,720 other Google side object. These are objects are available to us because we can 112 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,920 use maniplate to create a solution for that time. So I did a lot 113 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:13,639 of work on using JavaScript for times on this. So that's why I would 114 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:18,800 say I gotcha. So between two thousand and six and twenty thirteen, did 115 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:24,959 you wind up picking up any JavaScript frameworks like Backbone or Ember seemed to be 116 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:28,759 some of the some of the frameworks that came out early no, no, 117 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,360 no. I was like, okay, my skill would have been very basic. 118 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:39,279 I remained on the praying javaskip only and probably moved to PSP. A 119 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,080 lot of PHP during that time, coding night a framework. We did a 120 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,240 project for us, so we did a lot of work PSP at that time, 121 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:56,799 not specifically frameworks. Makes sense. So when did you start js tigers? 122 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:03,519 So ecided in twenty sixteen around December sixteen, your JavaScript consultancy, right, 123 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,799 yeah, the idea is to work on pully on jobson. So what's 124 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:11,639 that been like consulting in the JavaScript space for the last three or four years? 125 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:16,960 Okay, So I already had clients for my freelancing, my freelancing experience, 126 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,919 so we have already been working. So one client, I had already 127 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,840 done a lot of work on Google Adscript, so she wanted custom back end 128 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:33,080 application kind of a thing which we like, which we started building and almost 129 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:39,399 finished. Now it took some time using Angler and over, so it's basically 130 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:45,279 automates complete business. Another client is that also a financing client that also keeps 131 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,039 on giving and giving us work on jobs. So we see where we can 132 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:52,600 use Josy gotcha. Last year in March I moved to Bangalore. So there 133 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,679 here I started a project that we spoke last time that was a software company. 134 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:03,320 We're building a joy competent library for them using reacts. So these are 135 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:09,600 the three major products that the important last three yeares. There are some smaller 136 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:11,960 products. Yeah, so what's it like building a UI framework like that? 137 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,399 Because it seems like a lot of people are working on things that are similar. 138 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:20,879 Either they have a handful of components they need to share across things, 139 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:26,879 or you know, you see companies like VMware right creating an entire framework for 140 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:30,360 like Angular, and I've seen others for React and view. So yeah, 141 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,200 well, what's it like building something like that versus building an application? I 142 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,960 think, Okay, maybe it's my opinion, but I find it more interesting 143 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:43,080 because the problem is not straightforward. Like when we started this UI library project, 144 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,200 neither the client nor we we had any experience in working components, so 145 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,279 we had to do a lot of hidden trial kind of things. We have 146 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,559 good I think, what actually will be useful one year? Two year down 147 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,000 the line? They thought The clients thought that, okay, suppose we moved 148 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,480 to React in future, will this library be useful if we make it into 149 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:11,279 your Java Sile were competent, so that that was one design decision that we 150 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,799 had to take. So in that thing, yeah, like it's more interesting 151 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,440 I find it, like if the problem. My sense is that I try 152 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,600 to look for problems where the solution is not obvious, might not be like 153 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:26,320 the client has defined requirements and you just know I just have to gold it. 154 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,360 That's only I try to look for such problem. So this was one 155 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:33,879 project that I really got that kind of situation where I didn't know what to 156 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,720 do exactly. And luckily they also had a technical team. They also had 157 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:43,600 a technical life. They helped a lot. They knew things that they told 158 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:50,759 us to explore that was helpful. Yeah, are you freelancing or moonlighting or 159 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:52,559 maybe you've thought about going out on your own? Every week we have a 160 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,519 group of developers at various stages of a freelancing journey on the Freelancer Show to 161 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,000 talk about becoming better at freelancing. We also bring and experts to talk about 162 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,440 marketing, SEO and delivering high quality to clients. So if you're interested in 163 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:07,159 going freelance or you are freelance, check it out at freelancershow dot com. 164 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,440 So what what are the aspects of JavaScript that you really like. I mean, 165 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:16,200 why not, why not remain a PHP developer or a Java developer or 166 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:22,919 something like that. I think it's it's the simplicity how just a few lines 167 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,600 of code you can you can see the effect in those that Also, like 168 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,679 in Chrome Console, you can write some code and see how it's work. 169 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,240 You can't do that in that. It's basically the simplicity of the whole thing. 170 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,679 Just write through line of courtes and you can see it running in the 171 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,279 dowser. Right. I guess what I'm looking for is I talk a lot 172 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:50,039 talk to a lot of people who really really love JavaScript. I mean they're 173 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,840 they're super into it. They write a bunch of it their spare time. 174 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,360 They have all of this passion for it. And I'm always curious where that 175 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,279 comes from. So, you know, when when you settle into a language 176 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,360 like JavaScript, yeah, I mean there's that instant feedback. But does that 177 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,399 get you excited or is there some other aspect of the language that makes you, 178 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,519 you know, want to get up and write JavaScript code every day? 179 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,320 Well? I'm looking at looking at JavaScript from the point of view of building 180 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,519 a company, right, a world trust company which which can do grade work 181 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,240 using one thing. So my my I'm thinking from our intereprene's perspective, like, 182 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,039 can we stick to this thing for next five to ten years and build 183 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,120 up, right, say, a world trust company which does great work. 184 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,360 That's that's my focus. I'm not really looking at from it and programmers. 185 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,360 I say, no, that's fair. What is it then, that you're 186 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,399 seeing in JavaScript or the trends or adoption or things like that that makes you 187 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,480 think that it will be around then for five or ten years. I mean, 188 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:56,559 we're seeing white adoption now, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be here 189 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,759 five years. Well, we'll have to look for something, some some alternative 190 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:05,960 way of accessing Internet other than browsers. Less are inter stay here, Yeah, 191 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:11,799 brothers, that's my sense, that's true. I do wonder though, 192 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,840 if eventually the way that we access the web, you know, be it 193 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:18,440 through browsers or anything else, will change. I mean, we're already seeing 194 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:26,240 massive adoption of voice based systems, right like Alexa or I think Apple has 195 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,639 an I Home and Google has the you know, their their assistant, right, 196 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,080 so you know, is that functionality moves into the browser and as we 197 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,519 interact with devices in different ways if some of that doesn't get consumed by other 198 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:46,600 things, and you know, the traditional way of doing work in the browser 199 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,720 changes to the point where we're either not using JavaScript or we're using it in 200 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:56,080 a different way. Yeah, I've given this a thought sometime, like how 201 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:01,519 will search work? Let's say there is how Google search work and get indust 202 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,879 problem wild. The voice assistant read out all the other sarcisms one by one. 203 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,480 Yeah, I don't know. So, so what areas are you focused 204 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:13,399 on in JavaScript? Is it mostly web or are you doing any like mobile 205 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,080 or IoT or anything like that. So the idea as far as the companies 206 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,480 concerned, the idea is like anything in anywhere JOBSKPT is used. We are 207 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:26,919 into it, like we would love to work on this, but right now 208 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:31,440 it's mainly web only, Like whatever work we have done so far is on. 209 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,279 But is there is there kind of a journey that you feel like you've 210 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:41,279 gone on where you've learned specific things or seen particular theme to your journey over 211 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,039 the last twenty years, Like what would people learn if they watched you throughout 212 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:48,399 your career? Would they come away you know what? What big lessons would 213 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,759 they come away with? Okay, I think one thing that I can say 214 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:56,159 is I don't know. Most of the people are trying to rush through a 215 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,799 course and look for a job. What I would say is, if you 216 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:03,639 are interested to be self employed or be a freelancer or do something of your 217 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:07,159 own, I think you should give it a short You should try as early 218 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,600 as possible in your career, and you should not be scared of it. 219 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,720 And yeah, and you should try to focus on and build a couple of 220 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:21,519 core skills, like not rather than doing and trying to learn ten things and 221 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:25,480 be an average in all of them, pick up one thing or two things 222 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:29,759 and be extremely good in that prob be that way you will you will get 223 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:33,879 better projects, better rates, and probably succeed as a freelancer. That's that's 224 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,919 my learning, that's my code learning. As a free answer, stick to 225 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,120 a few things and do real do them really well. That's probably I would 226 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,639 say, Yeah, makes sense. What are you working on these days? 227 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:48,440 So yeah, this is YUELA component project is like first phase is almost over, 228 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:52,840 So I don't know if your client wants to go for the next ways 229 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:56,279 or not. Then we are looking for new projects, new opportunities, Yeah, 230 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,399 new challenging. Like my sense is either you asked us to me, 231 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,519 Okay, this is the library. We want you to customize this library for 232 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,680 us, or you build a library for us. That's the kind of problem. 233 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,400 And if people want to get a hold of you or hire you or 234 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,000 anything like that, or just follow you online, like on Twitter, where 235 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,319 where do they find that stuff? I'm okay, not very active. I'm 236 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,240 I'm on Twitter, but probably they can just stop me an email like cool. 237 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,880 All right, Well, I think we're going to wrap up and head 238 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,240 toward picks. Now, picks on this show are just shout outs about things 239 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,720 you like. So I'm going to go ahead and do a couple of shout 240 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,319 outs of things that I've been enjoying. First of all, one pick that 241 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:42,920 I have is I've been listening to the what was it a cash Flow Quadrant 242 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:48,319 by Robert Kiyosaki and now he also wrote Rich Dad, Poor Dad, and 243 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,160 uh yeah, a few other financial books. I've heard rumors that he's done 244 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,799 some things that people don't like. I haven't looked into it more deeply than 245 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:02,599 that, So don't toubt me as a true believer of his or as somebody 246 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,640 who doesn't like him. I just I don't have opinions that way on him 247 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,279 in particular. But the books are terrific both Rich Dad, Poor Dad and 248 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:15,119 Cash Litow Quadrant. So if you're if you're looking for kind of a breakdown 249 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:18,880 on how people make money and how to become wealthy and things like that, 250 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:25,880 I think these books are pretty spot on and and I've I've really really enjoyed 251 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:32,599 them, So I would check out those books. Yeah, terrific book. 252 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,039 Also on the money front, another one that I really like is Dave Ramsey's 253 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:40,319 The Total Money Makeover, and that's focused much more on getting out of debt. 254 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,039 But I also really like that one. So I'm going to shout out 255 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:45,440 about those financial books and just remind people to go sign up for JAS Remote 256 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,079 Comp coming up in May. It's going to be an online conference, so 257 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,759 you don't have to worry about getting sick. We've got some top notch speakers 258 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,880 and it's going to be exciting and awesome. So JS Remote comp dot Com. 259 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:59,720 All right, raqsh do you have some things you want to shout out 260 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,559 about on the show that people know are awesome and that you're enjoying. I 261 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,920 recently read a book, recently finished this book on Extreme Ownership by how us 262 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,319 TVCs lead and win. M Jaco Willing, Yeah, that's one of my 263 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,440 favorites. That's one of the ones that I make people that I hire read 264 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:19,960 a great book. All Right, well, we're gonna go ahead and wrap 265 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:22,920 up this interview. Thanks for coming and talking to me for a half hour 266 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,720 of cash Thanks, thanks a lot. 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