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A passionate instigator and dynamic problem solver. Doctor Kevin ross Emery, the host

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of the Doctor Kevin Radio Show,
will be taking you outside the box,

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behind the curtain and identifying the load
of bs we are fed every day.

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And now Doctor Kevin, Hellou,
Helleu Hellou, and welcome to the Doctor

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Kevin Show here on old times where
we're changing the world wait for it,

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one own at a time. This, our last third Thursday of the year,

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is going to be the last time
in twenty twenty three you will hear

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the dulsit tones of our own Rob
Stewart, as we have our last planetary

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influences for the year, which will
actually take us into twenty twenty four day

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twenty twenty four. And my sliding
in conceptually to the new co host Ashley

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Oldstein is here as well. And
of course Doctor Kevin, you can call

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in at two O two five seven
oh seven oh five seven. That's two

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O two five seven oh seven oh
five seven uh. If you would like

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to ask questions about today's astrological insights, you can find out more about Rob

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Stewart at Innercenter Astrology dot com.
That's inner Center Astrology dot com. So

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before we do you know ride on
a Star with Rob Ashley? How are

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you doing this week? I'm doing
okay, How are you doing this week?

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I caught myself a bad cold yesterday
day. It's just a call.

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But yeah, I may sound like
a little funny to you guys or to

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the audience. I'm going to be
trusted me. I'm going to be drinking

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lots of tea in between every time
I shut up, So who knows I

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might get in the whole two ounces
of tea. We know how often I

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shut up. I do want to
let people know that if you come to

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are running a digital online fair over the

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You can book a zoo or phone reading

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with them. They always offer the
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you can check in from anywhere around
the world. Get some insights about how

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to best close down twenty twenty three
and how I will brace twenty twenty four

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and next week. Actually Ashley and
I will be doing a show on creating

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your best twenty twenty four and maybe
even how to hit the old flush button

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on the toilet of twenty twenty three, because I don't want anybody else,

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but I got a few things I'd
like to see go down the drain.

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Ah. So now, mister rob
what are you doing? I'll be okay,

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you know this boy that you know, I'm dealing with my own cold

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and doing beneath the weather type of
thing, but doing no doing okay,

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And I'm hanging in there. Ready
for twenty twenty four. Well good,

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we're all ready for sounds like he's
not ready for twenty twenty four. Yeah,

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so Mercury Retrograde, we get what
is it? Four shows a year

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with Mercury retrogade or so, and
and there's always there's always some potential with

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it. Yeah, when are we
done with Mercury retrograde? This this time

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around, it'll be Mercury Goes Direct
January third, But it still lingers a

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bit after that. But but yeah, so plenty of time for more of

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this this stuff. But maybe when
he calls back, his voice will be

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less Roboto than it was fo Yeah, yeah, but I could I could

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just dive right into the sun here
and just dive into this into the information.

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As doctor Kevin gets connects back in, I've been here the whole time.

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You just couldn't. I couldn't hear
you either. I never for anything,

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though, So go ahead, okay, you're rock Yeah, go ahead,

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sound good. Yeah, we got
a full mercury retrograde going on,

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so we'll be sure to talk about
that. But so you know, the

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sun enters Capricorn on December twenty second, so tomorrow. And you know,

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every month we talk about how when
the sun changes signs that basically we have

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an opportunity to shine light in an
area of life and energies in life in

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which we are sort of this more
of a focus for all of us and

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this sort of collective consciousness here on
earth. And you know, the sun

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in astrology, I feel as one
of the one of these things that's a

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bit misunderstood in astrology. I see
the sun as a part of our sole

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intention for our human expression. I
don't see it as naturally of who and

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what we are naturally. In other
words, if your son is in Sagittarius

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or Capricorn Aquarius, that doesn't mean
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From my perspective, having a son
and a sign is saying, hey,

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in this lifetime there is a soul
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express that type of energy, and
it always comes with challenges. So whatever

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a sign your son is, whether
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challenge with it, and that's what
we're here to do one of the things

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anyways. So but as the sun
it's moving through Capricorn over the next month,

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from starting tomorrow December twenty second.
The themes of Capricorn are something we

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can all sort of shine a light
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about you know, it's about many
things, but consciously creating your own reality

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so that it's in alignment with your
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Capricorn there is this sort of outer
world element to Capricorn. There's with Capricorn,

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we're talking about you know, your
goals, your what you're building and

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creating and constructing in the outer world, but that's done in the best possible

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way when it's a reflection of your
own inner world. And so with Capricorn

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over this next month, we're all
being asked to sort of use practical action

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to change our physical reality to to
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world with physical and the physical world
world. But it's also about bringing maturity

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and self maturity, self reflection,
and self discipline. Capricorn is known to

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require hard work, and with Capricorn
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When you're when it's hard work,
you know it, you're on track

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with Capricorn. And so you know, over this next month it's really it's

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really about harmonizing our inner and outer
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With Capricorn, there's always this sort
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challenges to succumb or are not to
succumb, but ascend and overcome. And

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and you know, the symbol of
Capricorn is the goat, and you know,

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mountain goats can climb extraordinary heights and
it's pretty amazing what they're able to

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do in the face of fear and
the face of obstacles, and it's it's

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quite amazing to see those mountain goats
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do. And and so you know
that that's sort of it represents the the

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basic energy of Capricorn in that,
you know, seeking a specific goal,

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something to attain and and to go
for it in a practical, mature,

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disciplined, hardworking, productive manner.
And you know it's Capricorns and Earth's sign.

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There's there's three Earth signs, and
some think that Taurus uh being an

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Earth sign really speaks to more of
the mineral Earth and mineral world, the

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virgo a bit more of the botanical
elements of the Earth. Again, this

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is according to some and Capricorn to
some represents the animal kingdom and so the

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sort of you know, navigating the
elements. You know, here in the

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Northeast it's a very cold winter as
we're entering Capricorn season. And so these

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are some of the themes regarding to
Capricorn. The other thing I want to

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say with Capricorn is it's also about
authority and honoring your own authority and questioning

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and looking at you know, what
are your what what is an authority?

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What does that even mean? And
you know, it's bringing into consciousness this

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sort of sense of authority and what
is authority and and what authority are we

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each taking in our own life,
that sort of thing. Doctor Kevin Yummy

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thoughts on on this, anything to
add maybe he's still in the mercury retrograde

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con of silence, know, okay, yeah, interesting, Yeah, we

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questions quick question just you know,
because i'm the John Q. Public when

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it comes to astrology, I don't
I'm still learning a lot. Can you

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just refresh what the tenth house represents, because you were saying the Capricorn is

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in the tenth house right now?
Yeah? Maybe, Well, so it's

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not that Capricorn is in the tenth
house. It's just that the tenth House

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and Capricorns share natural energetic signatures,
and Capricorn is sort of considered the natural

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ruler of the tenth house. Okay, and so they just have similar energetic

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signatures. And so when you talk
about Capricorn, you talk about the tenth

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house, they're going to have some
similarities with that. Yeah. So yeah,

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and your tent house might be in
this sign or that sign or or

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whatever, but Capricorn reflects the type
of natural energies of a tent thank you.

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And one of the other things is
I'm sorry, I had a coffee

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fit and I didn't want to have
it on the radio, so I needed

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to have the coffee fit, which
started just as you said dark to Ketch,

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just just a second before you said
dark, Kevin. Yeah, but

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I mean we also a lot of
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career. You know, you talked
about it as an authority figure, but

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it's also the area that where you
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is and you know, kind of
the face you're putting out to the greater

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world in more of like your profession, how you succeed, how you're perceived.

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Is that all line up, mister
Robb, Yeah, absolutely. You

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know I consider it sort of your
public public life whereas as opposed to your

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private life and your home that sort
of thing. So sometimes that's career for

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some people. For other people it's
there their humanitarians, you know, their

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their efforts in society, that sort
of thing in the public life. Well,

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when I think that we could say
career, i e. Vocation,

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like what's there? You know for
some you know, it isn't what they

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think of as a traditional career,
but it's really where that career like energy

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will like kind it will will show
up, so to speak. Yeah,

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that's that's the only thing I wanted
to add. Keep going. Yeah,

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yeah. So we also we have
a full moon in cancer on December twenty

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seventh, and this is at four
degrees or five degrees. Cancer rather and

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full moons are a time of fruition
and completion and tension, but it's a

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time of sort of making a choice
and moving one way or another, you

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know, letting go of the things
that aren't working and embracing those that are.

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And in cancer that's about your inner
life. But with you know,

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full moon and cancer, there's opposition
with the sun in Capricorn, and so

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really whenever there's an opposition, it's
asking us to find complementary energies within these

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two seemingly opposite aspects of our psyche. And in Capricorn there's the professionalism,

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there's the discipline and self respect and
self maturity, you know, these sort

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of types of energies, and in
cancer it's a you're nurturing, you're feeling

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belonging, having belonging, nurturing your
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your next So it's these sort of
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then a full moon were really sometimes
torn between those two polarities. For instance,

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with this full moon on the twenty
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evening of the twenty sixth, I'm
sorry, but with this full moon you

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might be feeling a bit torn or
tension within yourself between your work and home

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life, or your reputation and your
inner emotional life, these sort of things.

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But again there's something complementary about these
both of these things, you know,

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being mature in your emotions, being
mature, and you know, bringing

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that emotional safety and nurturing cancer into
your public work, Capricorn, so that

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there's there's some real alchemy that's always
available during a full moon, but oftentimes

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it can be really felt in the
sort of tension. And now during this

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full moon, Mercury and Mars are
squaring Neptune, and whenever there's a square

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in astrology, we're being asked to
make adjustments and make some changes and take

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in information from our periphery essentially,
and with Mercury Mars that's a real action

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based you know, blurting it out. Blurting it out, words and anger

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can get you know, mixed up
and crosswired and be the same thing.

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You know, there might be some
angry words or assertive words during this time

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and with us a squaring neptune,
we're being asked to take in the sort

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of extra sensory perceptions and our want
for peace neptune in Pisces to really guide

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our actions and our words during this
full moon phase. And whenever there's a

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square, you know, again we're
being asked to make some changes and take

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information in from the perfree. But
it can when we're when we're when we

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have tunnel visions that can be squares
can be a bit of a challenge.

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And and so do you any thoughts
on this, doctor Kevin, as we

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explore this a bit a bit more, I'm here, I'm here. We

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see, well, I look at
that square energy and it's going on with

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a full moon that there is also
a time of I'm going to call it

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a time of reckoning. And again
what's so important is to understand where this

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falls on your chart. You know, you need to have your chart out,

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and of course if you don't have
a chart inter centerroschology dot com,

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you have rob do your chart and
explain it to you. Then you'd have

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it for our next month. But
in that when you look at it,

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I think there's a time of reckoning
where maybe emotions have clouded things because it's

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neptune and and there may be some
hardcore reality and from the reality of what

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something is to what the emotions want
it to be, and it's coming to

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a pressure point, a rubbing point
where the best way I can explain it

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is you come to the best decision
for yourself on something. And again where

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those play out would definitely be depending
on how this falls into your own astrology

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chart. But you hear a truth, an intellectual truth, but it is

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at odds with your emotional longing or
your emotional connection, and because you don't

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want to face it, because you
don't want to look at at it,

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even though some part of you knows
that if somebody points it out, if

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somebody brings it up, if it's
if it's pushed towards you, there's going

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to be angry words. There's this
battle between something that might be not healthy

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but emotional comfort, emotionally comforting versus
kind of knowing that you have a right

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thing to do that you don't really
want to do. Does that all make

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sense when I say it that way, boys and girls? Yeah, to

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the point, Yeah, So if
I look at my birth chart, and

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Neptune is in the third house with
I don't even know what that is.

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I'm going to stop talking because I
can't. I don't even know what the

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symbol is. So I'm yeah,
I mean, if if Neptune's in your

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third house, the Mars Mercury might
be in your first and Sagittarius. You

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know, this is this is another
key concept here with this this full moon

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is you know, when when there's
other hard aspects to Neptune, also harmonic

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aspects to Neptune, we can sort
of see what we want to see without

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seeing the entirety of reality itself.
And in Mars, with Mars Mercury and

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Sagittarius, there's this you know,
truth, you know, the search for

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truth is speaking the truth, asserting
from truth. And of course, so

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I would imagine that on many sides
of the coin there's going to be a

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lot of talking, action and so
on, claiming truth. And you know

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this, this this gets into a
much bigger dynamic. I I I do

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think this next month is going to
be very big on the global scale,

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the geopolitical scale, particularly for the
United States and that sort of thing.

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And the reason for that is we
have Pluto at the twenty ninth degree in

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Capricorn, and this is a major, major theme which ties into this type

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of the dynamics that you've talked about, doctor Kevin. But before we dive

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into that Pluto at the twenty ninth
degree, you know, I think there

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will be you know, some I
forget the words exact words used, doctor

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Kevin, but it was something along
the lines of confusion, And I think

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there's going to be a lot of
confusion on both sides of the coin,

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whatever coin that is, with regards
to truth and asserting that truth is very

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is very possible. Do you all
have any thoughts on that? Well,

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you know, one of the things
is that one can have an intellectual truth

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and an emotional truth that are at
odds with each other. Yea. And

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having this playout with this square with
Neptune and Mars action mercury communication, and

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I think that you're going to find
that when called out on the paradox of

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it all, that there could be
some very aggressive communication, some aggressive pushback.

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I also think that this is a
kind of aspect that if you don't

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pay attention and really stop and think
about what you're getting ready to say,

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if you don't practice good self care
around not reacting but getting into a place

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to respond, that the reaction will
come out fast and curious, and it

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will lead to regrets. I think
this is the kind of thing where you

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say something and before it's finish me
in your mouth, you may already regret

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it, but it will come out
quick. It will come out without without

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Mars, mercury force. And again, emotional truth and intellectual truth do not

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always line up. Sometimes they are
completely at odds. Does that make sense?

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Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I see it the

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same way. And you know,
with the sun in Capricorn during this full

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moon, it's it's sort of shining
light on this need for so discipline and

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to navigate one's emotions and and you
know, again it's with Mercury, Mars

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and Sagittarius that truth and the emotional
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I think we've touched on all those
major elements. And I know we're

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coming up to the commercial break,
so I don't want to dive in a

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pseudo yet, So I'm going to
add something to what you just said then,

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because we are coming up to commercial
break, is that with Neptune involved,

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we can be susceptible to the illusionary
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we choose to believe it, even
if some parts of us know it's not

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true. And I think that that
plays out here and I think it's going

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to be this is this is an
opportunity for a lot of Unfortunately, I

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would see them as painful epiphanies,
you know, uh, kind of the

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person who says the Emperor has no
clothes kind of epiphany, because there is

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going to be this, you know, is it the business of taking care

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of my business or as Jacob Barley
said, humanity was my business and a

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Christmas Carol, And you know which
is taking care of the human side,

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the emotional side, the self care
side, that the nurturing, the family

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side. And there we're coming right
after break and on the other side of

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Hello, Hello, and welcome back
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Old Times. This week, we're
doing our last of the year planetary Influences.

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We're coming up to the end of
twenty twenty three and we're going into

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the planetary influences that will open us
up for twenty twenty four. I'm here

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with my co host, Ashley Olstein, and none other than our planetary influencer,

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influencer, Master of the Stars,
Extrologer extraordinaire Rob Stewart from Innercenterastrology dot

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Com and our calling number is two
two five seven seven O five seven.

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So we're going to survive this full
moon sun Mercury, Mars Neptune. Well,

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we've may not all survivor, but
you know it's going to be a

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few eights broken to be doing.
Anyways, on the other side of it,

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what else is going on, mister
Rob. Yeah, So, you

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know we mentioned earlier about Pluto at
twenty nine degrees Capricorn, and and this

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is a really fascinating one. Now, the twenty ninth degree of any sign

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is a culmination. It's sort of
the transformation and deterioration sort of speaks so

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that something new begins and then the
next sign the first degree of the following

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sign, or the zero degree anyways, and so the twenty ninth degree of

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any zodiac sign is this, it's
a transformational degree. And you know,

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oftentimes, you know, if you
have a planet, the twenty ninth degree

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of any sign, it suggests,
you know, the way I read it

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in a birth chart is, hey, there's going to be some type of

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transformation, there's going to be some
type of graduation. There's going to be

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a breakdown of the old so that
new arises. And in Capricorn, it's

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all about structure and more specifically authority
structure. And now Pluto's at the twenty

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ninth degree, and this is the
third time that it's touched the twenty ninth

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degree, the first time in the
past year anyways. The first time that

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it touched the twenty ninth degree was
early in February through mid March, and

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then in June and July it also
touched upon that degree in retrograde as Pluto

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is moving backwards in the sky,
and now starting just the other day,

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Pluto is going through this twenty ninth
degree again. It will touch back to

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that twenty ninth degree later next fall. But the reason this is is important

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and very interesting is, like I
said, it consists of the breaking down

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and on the other hand, the
coin, the other side of the coin

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is about grasping to retain control or
authority or structure or establishment. Now I

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looked back to the last time that
Pluto was at the twenty ninth degree in

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Capricorn, which was a few hundred
years ago, and I'm wondering, either

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of you, can you take a
guess when that may have occurred. I

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couldn't even make a stab at it. Yeah, the American Revolution. The

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last time, the last time Pluto
was at twenty nine degrees Capricorn was in

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seventeen seventy seven, which was,
you know, in nineteen seventy six or

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seventeen seventy six. Rather, Pluto
was at the twenty eighth degree and just

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about entering the twenty ninth degree.
But the last time this occurred was during

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the American Revolution, and what was
happening there. Obviously a lot was happening

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there, but it was the breakdown
of the British control of the Empire of

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the you know, you know,
it's settlers wanting independence, you know,

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that sort of thing. Now fast
forward to today empire, Well, there's

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certainly is one, the American Empire, the US Empire and its allies and

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that sort of thing. And and
from from some perspectives, there's quite a

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control, a grasp on that control, you know, and that sort of

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thing. It's very nuanced and long
discussion to be had. But there's what

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this is suggesting that there's there's some
transformation occurring in the authority structure in the

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world. And what exactly does that
mean? You know, I'm not sure,

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but you know, you can look
around and and you know, perhaps

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you know, get some clues.
I don't know. We're in the midst

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of this, of course, but
you know, basically it's it's the breakdown

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of structure so that new structure will
arise. And you know, because you

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look back to the American Revolution and
the US gained its independence and then started

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creating individual governments and different states and
you know, all that stuff. I'm

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not I'm not one of the American
history isn't it is my strong point,

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But I think we all sort of
know that general gist of all that stuff.

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And and so what we're moving through
now is similar in the about a

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breakdown of structure, breakdown of authority
structure, So that's something new is also

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arising. And with that comes the
Titan fist of an empire, of a

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system that is perhaps not wanting to
release that as you know, just as

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the British Empire wouldn't want to just
simply say, yeah, go ahead and

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create your own, your own system
and leave us out of it. Of

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course they didn't. That wasn't in
their interest of course. So yeah,

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I'll leave it there before we go
further. But do you do you have

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anything you want to throw in with
us? Yeah? So, I it

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would be interesting because you said Pluto
is going to come back one more time

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and hit this in the fall,
right, yeah, do you know when

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in the fall? Yeah? So
this September through mid October, that degree

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will be activated by a retrograde Pluto, which historically speaking isn't as energetically intense

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as direct. The Pluto will be
direct from October thirteenth through November nineteenth,

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so Pluto will be stationed direct at
the twenty ninth degree and moving forward.

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So it's a very This next year
is certainly very interesting when I think of

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structure. I think of the financial
structure. When I think of empire,

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think of financial sort of structure and
empire that the world is based in.

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And it's very possible that there's some
breakdowns in the structure of in those ways.

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Plenty to speculate about that, but
yeah, go ahead, doctor Kevin

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Well. The reason I ask is
it sounds like it's going to be right

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around the time we're coming up to
the next presidential election. I'm actually looking

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at it right now and for sure
on November two, twenty twenty four,

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it looks like Pluto's at twenty nine
degrees. Yeah, yep, And knowing

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what a shoot show the last presidential
election was, I have to think this,

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and when Pluto moves forward this time, does it not touch the twenty

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ninth again? Is it done touching
the twenty nine enough? It's done?

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Yep, it's done, Yeah,
yep, absolutely. I mean I think

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it would be interesting. I didn't
have the time to actually research those other

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type tabs that had hit it,
which was defined, were there any major

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decisions or anything happening that was around
our own elections, our own you know,

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I mean, there's been a ton
of shit happening with you know,

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the whole idea of the stolen election
and blah blah blah blah. But it

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would be very fascinating to go back
and look at the twenty nine degrees each

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time that it went. But the
car knew it wasn't done running over you.

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The car is finished running over you
in November. Yeah, everything else

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is a warm up, right Yeah, Yeah, I mean obviously, Yeah,

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this election cycle is going to be
a doozy. And yeah, I

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you know this, you know as
yeah, I don't know, it's going

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to be an interesting it's going to
be an interesting year and this you know,

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these Pluto cycles, you know,
these things occur in massive, long

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term cycles. And again we're moving
through something that we moved through back in

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seventeen seventy six. And yeah,
it's it's obviously it can be felt that

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there's yeah, it's an interesting time
right now. So Pluto had to be

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in Capricorn at the birth of the
nation when our country was found. If

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you look at the birth as July
fourth, seventeen seventy six, Pluto must

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have been in Capricorn. Yeah it
was. It was about twenty eight degrees,

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might have been twenty seven degrees on
July fourth. Okay, yeah,

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so we're having a Pluto return the
hull. Yeah, so all the shit

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go ahead. Well, I mean, we've already had the plutoverturn technically,

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but with these slow moving planets,
you know, it's not about exact it's

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not about the exact return point.
It's a slow process. And obviously we've

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been moving through that. But yeah, you know, Pluto at the twenty

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ninth degree is not great for empires. It's not great for trying to control,

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it's not great for you know,
the the the current authority type of

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m mode of operative operation and how
that plays out. I don't know,

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but it's yeah, it's it's very
it's very interesting. And yeah, well

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you know, do you have any
concept of Pluto back in the seventeen seventy

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sixth time period? Do you have
any concept on whether it was I mean,

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the same retrograde pattern back then of
run you over, go back,

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run you over, and go back
then it has now do you know.

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I'm not going to try to make
you look it up, but I'm just

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curious if when you looked it up, if we were still struggling with that,

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if they were struggling with the Pluto
hitting us, hitting us back then.

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Yeah, well, as I understand
it. Again, I'm not a

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history bus at all, So I
had to kind of google some of these

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things shortly before the show, and
I found that the Revolutionary War went from

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seventeen sixty three to seventeen eighty three, So there's quite a long period of

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time of independence and that sort of
thing and challenges and things along the way.

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And the actual Pluto at the twenty
ninth degree capricorn occurred in seventeen seventy

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seven, and of course it would
back up or move forward, you know,

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this sort of retrograde cycle. But
the period the Revolutionary War occurred through

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seventeen eighty three apparently, And so
you know, this is sort of this

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is part of a much deeper with
Pluto. This it's something that's always deep,

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it's transformative, and it's there's something
over time, and so you know,

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do I think something totally different is
going to occur, you know,

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by November twentieth when Ludo leaves that
twenty ninth degree. No, but you

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know, this is sort of there's
a deeper process, deeper transformation occurring where

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fifty years from now, we might
look back to this time be like okay,

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yeah, you know things are things
were quite different in some way.

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Whatever that is, Well, she's
going to get into Aquarius, start bringing

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that transformational energy to everything to do
with Aquarius, which today we associate with

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technology and the Internet. You've said
that many times, right, yeah,

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Rob, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course there's there's so many

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things going on with money and taxes
and debt and all of this stuff,

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and you know, we're in this
plethora of Oh, we're going to make

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cases up to go to the Supreme
Court to try to take advantage that it's

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been kind of jury rigged into this
very conservative much more conservative than the country

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is on a whole, which there's
an overthrow of stuff. I mean,

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there's an overthrow energy. When that
happens, when the people that are making

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the ultimate decisions about our laws and
what's acceptable and not acceptable, it's completely

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out of tune with the majority of
the people. I mean, there's let's

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just say we got an eight burner
stove and every burner's got a pot on

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it. They could explode during this
time period. I don't it's not just

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simply one thing. Now, what
house was Pluto in the in the country

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in the chart country and our country's
charge. Good question. Let me see,

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I mean, let me see.
You mean now our way back in

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the seventeen hundred when it was born. Yeah, well, you know,

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it's birth chart. I want to
know where Pluto was in our country's birth

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chart. You go ahead, Ron, It's Pluto's in the second house of

436
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the US's chart, and that's the
house of survival, of hanging on and

437
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getting the bear. You know,
it's also the house of money. And

438
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that's why there's a huge financial element
to this, because you know, when

439
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we talk about empire these days,
it's really about you know, financial systems

440
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in my view, and with Pluto
transiting the second house in the United States

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00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:49.760
natal chart, certainly bringing changes and
transformations to the financial structures, particularly in

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00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:57.480
capricorn you know. So yeah,
hey, maybe we'll see the overthrow of

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the one percent and the red distribution
of wealth in a way where a handful

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of people doesn't own ninety percent of
the wealth. Wouldn't that be an interesting

445
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shift? It would be an interesting
one, for sure. I mean it

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might not be good for US one
percenters, but you know, homely right,

447
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So lots of stuff happening now,
and how long does it hang?

448
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I mean, and you and I
know both know Rob that you know,

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it's not just I mean like especially
with a flut of the boost so slowly,

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you know, it starts getting twenty
ninth energy when it's still in the

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twenty eighth, and it will keep
the energy a little past it. It's

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not like it's that oh it happens, not like a mercury where it's like,

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yeah, it all comes, it
all comes and goes in. But

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three hours, oh there it goes
again. How long? How long will

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it actually be on some version of
the last part of the twenty eighth and

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the and the beginning of the next
degree. I mean, like what's that

457
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window of time? Yeah, I
mean it so November nineteenth of twenty twenty

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four is the last time it'll be
in Capricorn that you know, November twentieth

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it moves into Aquarius. And you
know when when a planet moves into that

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next sign, and you know there
can be there can be sort of a

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00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:59.000
shift, and so yeah, it's
very fascinating that, you know, I

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really would imagine that. You know, with Pluto and Aquarius, there's a

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00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:13.480
number of different themes, but one
of which is a sort of combining with

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groups, of course, and feeling. There can be certainly feelings of you

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know, can I be me?
Do I have to to be with the

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group? Do I have to where
is my tribe? Where? You know,

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00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:36.599
one can get lost in this sort
of looks one's own voice to the

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voice of the group. You know. The idea of like mind group think

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00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:47.639
is a real aquarium type of energy, and and particularly you know, you

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00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:53.519
look at the history of humanity.
It's very rare that a single person is

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00:49:54.199 --> 00:50:00.639
a violence or or that sort of
thing, but groups of people, like

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00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:06.480
countries, can be very violent and
very and I'm like violent, that's the

473
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:13.159
right word. But that's the idea
of group think and group sort of thing.

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It's one thing to be mindful as
we move into Pluto with Aquarius of

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00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:24.920
you know, hoorah waving the flag
and you know, group thinking into you

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00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:31.039
know, has gotten I would say, many nations, including ours, particularly

477
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in a lot of trouble, you
know, So anyways, lots of ways

478
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to explore this. That's certainly one
of them. Well, you know,

479
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part of what I was thinking is
that we have this twenty nine and this

480
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is where I always get fascinated with
astrology, So this is my gig,

481
00:50:55.360 --> 00:51:00.639
and I might be boring everybody else. But on the twenty first is when

482
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:07.960
it goes into twenty nine degrees of
December. It leaves on the twenty first

483
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:14.039
of January where it goes into zero
Aquarius. So if we look from the

484
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twenty first of December to the twenty
first of January, to me, things

485
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:31.079
that are happening in that time period
will end up giving us a glimpse of

486
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:38.079
what's going to play out in November
over the elections. Like this month.

487
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:44.519
I mean it's it's it's on the
twenty ninth three for a month. Yeah

488
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.440
yeah, I mean that's part of
what I was saying. Yeah, yeah,

489
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:55.880
yeah, yeah, I totally hear
you there. This next month certainly,

490
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.119
Yeah, I agree with that that
there's there's going to be perhaps some

491
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:12.840
insights or deems that could be showing
their head again later in twenty twenty four.

492
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.519
And I want to be specific with
that. It's, you know,

493
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.840
at the twenty nine degrees Capricorn,
there is this sort of sense of wanting

494
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:28.199
to retain control, you know,
retain authority, structures, structures establishment,

495
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.679
you know, the the we talked
you talk about the one percenters, which

496
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:38.199
to me, I'm certainly not a
one percenter, but the we're talking,

497
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:44.719
you know, when we talk about
establishment or or that sort of thing,

498
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:52.800
it's it's far less than a one
percent type of thing. But you know,

499
00:52:52.920 --> 00:53:00.800
themes of authority, wanting to retain
authority over these past hundreds and hundreds

500
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:07.679
of years and not wanting to to
release that sent much similar to the British

501
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:15.400
Empire. I guess you'd say one
of the things that comes to me that's

502
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:21.840
coming to a huge hand and we're
going to very likely see resolved by January

503
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:28.159
twenty first. Are two cases that
are going to the Supreme Court that are

504
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.719
fast tracked, and one is is
Trump eligible to run for presidents? And

505
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:40.440
the other one is can he be
held libel for the insurrection? Which he

506
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:44.679
says no, he can't because he
was president, so you can't. He

507
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:50.760
doesn't get held lible for it,
even if it was an insurrection. And

508
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:55.320
both of those are being fast tracked
as we speak, and I believe we

509
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.840
will have probably both, but at
least one of those two answers will be

510
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.719
shaken out of the Supreme Court through
January twenty first. And mark my words,

511
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:12.280
that's going to play out in some
way in the November elections, even

512
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:23.800
if they decided them backdrop. But
and we've got huge, huge amounts of

513
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:30.320
money that are already dark money that's
already infusing everything to do around our elections

514
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.599
and who can be bought and who
can't. So, Bob, we are

515
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.000
all set of time. Were there
any other aspects this month that we needed

516
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.639
to talk about before? I mean, you know, I wanted to reserve

517
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.199
enough time to talk about that one. That one's uh, that's a big

518
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:45.960
one, you know, the other
stuff. You know, we're in a

519
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:52.679
mercury retrograde, which speak to all
this communication challenges we're going through and also

520
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:55.639
part of the confusion too. We
talked about this full moon and the lack

521
00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:01.679
of clarity and the sort of neptune
squaring care and all that stuff over this

522
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:07.639
next you know, this this is
a it's a time where clarity can be

523
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:13.119
really a challenge for sure. But
yeah, we talked about the main ones

524
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.360
that I wanted that I had written
down right. I just wanted to make

525
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:22.039
sure that suddenly we weren't going The
music started for the closing, and you

526
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.079
went, well, there was a
couple of other things. I wanted to

527
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:29.280
decide it. I wasn't sure what
the order was. I mean, this

528
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:34.119
was a fascinating last half of the
show, the conversation about Pluto and looking

529
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:39.280
at the arcs and you know,
looking at arcs and themes from an astrological

530
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:45.639
perspective is always fascinating to me,
especially when you can look to lack and

531
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:52.519
you can look Yeah, so next
week, Ashley and I'll be on talking

532
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:59.239
about creating your best twenty twenty four
and Rob will be touching Base Review in

533
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:05.679
about a month. All right,
but you all right do you as well?

534
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:07.719
And you as well Ashley, You
two, Rob