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Iron the Ball Hero on Fox Sports
fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. E's

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Chingen Sauce with us today we have
Ryan, Got that right, Ryan,

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I deserve some kudos in the world
of look good, play good. We

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have another BS story today to begin. Oh the helmets. Yeah, and

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it's it's to me it's a non
story story, but people are talking about

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how could they look except for one
guy that I saw your brother. I

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don't like him either. Yeah,
yeah, what's the point? I mean,

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come on, it's My comment was, if you're gonna do that,

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you know, if you want to
do something different, something with script and

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something like that, bring back the
snake a from the from the from the

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seventies the mid seventies, which for
those of you who don't know that it's

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a you know, well you'd have
to go look it up. But I

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don't remember snake A. You know, I'll send you. Oh yeah,

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the script a kind of like,
well, yeah, it's it's like you

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I know, it was. That's
that's the last time they went with the

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script type of right. That was
the helmet that that they started when Jim

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Young got here. When then when
they went to the royal blue uniforms,

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which was odd because the navy blue
was the color. But they went to

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the royal blue uniforms, which I
thought they look cool, but they weren't

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the school colors. And then they
had uh, then they had the snake

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a And at first there was a
small thing on the logo on the helmet,

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and then it got bigger later on. Do that, you know,

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put it in red instead of blue
or navy blue or whatever. That's a

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pretty cool helmet that's got some history
to it. Look just say it.

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And my daughter wanted to slap me
for saying this, but the cat's log

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this logo on the helmet looks to
me like it belongs on the palm Line

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jackets or something. Yeah. Yeah, right, well here we go again.

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We're generational right where the older group
and they're not doing this for us.

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They're not doing this for us.
But again, we're kind of the

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guys that spend money at these places, right. I know the kids do

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too, but they don't spend as
much as you or me or whatever because

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they don't have it. They don't
realistic, they don't have it. But

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to them it's cool and hey and
new stuff, new stuff, But come

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on, what does it matter one? And you know how I feel about

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that, and whether it looks good
or not, I don't. I don't

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give a damn well. Look,
I'm not saying here's the thing. I'm

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okay with some changes like that,
but I feel anything you do like that,

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it always has it should hang onto
a little bit of history, you

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know. And and you know,
like I wasn't that fond when they went

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from the block a that in the
mid middle of the Dictomi Airs, that

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red blockade that they had on the
helmet they went and what they call the

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academic a. I wasn't that happy
with that, but it grew on me

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and it became the logo for the
whole university. I'm like, okay,

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that's fine, and it looks good
now, but and I you know,

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I like stuff like that, but
it's got to be right, and to

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me, this is not right.
And you know what if they wear it.

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I really don't care. My personal
opinion is you know, I'm not

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that fond of it. Like,
okay, like the Arizona thing that you

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have now, the Nike designed right
with the way the ours is kind of

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ah. You know when they first
did that and I heard it was not

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the Nike that did that, I'm
like, Okay, that's all right.

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If it means we get a bunch
of money from Nike, fine go with

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it. Yeah, exactly. This
cat's logo and script on the helmet,

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it's not new, is it.
It's I've seen it before. I'm not

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lying. You've seen it on the'm line and cheerleader jackets. That's where

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you've seen it. Now, I've
seen it like years ago. And it

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might even be like the eighty eighteen
had that as a small logo on their

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warm ups, but it was never
on the uniform. I'd have to look

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at it, I felt. When
I first saw this, I said,

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Okay, here come the kids with
everybody's up at the at the Vegas thing

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with the big twelve, and I'm
thinking, oh, here we go.

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The kids are going to be all
excited because again I wonder how many points

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are worth? Of course, then
you know how I feel about Yeah,

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uh, and we'll see if they
are worth anything. We'll see and I

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could give a crap what they look
like. Just play card. Yeah,

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Well I just uh, I just
looked up the seed that the logo that

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was on those on those warm up
on those warm up jackets. It's not

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the same one. It's a difference, but it's kind of similar. But

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it's it's a script. It's it's
a script. It's a script, a

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script cats, but it's the S
that swirls around and then underlines the logo,

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as opposed to this one where it's
the ce the cats that underline.

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So let me, because you use
the business stories and sort of way,

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how much do you think they put
into paying somebody to come up with this

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new logo like they did for you
Arizona the new the new brand that I

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rarely use. I'm sure we do
in the business doing business, but that's

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probably the only place I ever see
it in Steve's a very Steve. We're

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using it, and I get that, but I don't see it anywhere else.

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And they put some money into this. Well, anytime they do something

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like this, whether it's major league
sports or whatever, you always feel it's

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a grab for money to sell,
right, And if that's what this is

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and it does that, then fine, I just I look at the I

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look at it and it doesn't say
Arizona Wildcats to me. No. And

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you know, the funny thing about
is if they went back to the cactus

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logo, which I don't really you
neither hear nor there, but everybody loves

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that. But the cactus logo has
never been a helmet logo. It's never

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been uniform just to sell, just
to sell, Yeah, because everybody loves

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that. Oh, they started doing
a little bit of that. You can

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find the cactus slogan on some things. Now they need money, they should

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do a lot a bit of that, right, I'm looking at this now.

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It's fine if they they're gone with
it. I mean it's yeah,

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sure, they've already said they're doing
this, so it'll be fine. Does

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it get me jacked up and go
that's so cool? No, it doesn't.

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What about you, senor the older
group of the younger group, So

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they're gonna go with that. I
would rather be the S, like you

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know, the the S swirls around
and I did look at that helmet,

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the old one. Yeah, the
snake lego. That's cool. That's cool,

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right, And to me, that's
a bit of history. It says

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Arizona. It's dated though, and
that's probably why they didn't do something like

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that. Well on, just another
shot at something that's gonna either make people

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happy, the people happy, and
have the people say what the hell you

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doing? Because they do. Remember
when the snake logo came out. I

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would have been thirteen, yeah,
seventy two, seventy three, when seventy

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three, when Jim Young got here, so I would have been fourteen,

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and I'm like, what the hell
is that? But then you know,

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you saw it on the helmets,
you saw it in games. I thought

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that's pretty cool. And then they
you know, they they they like I

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said, it was pretty small,
and then they made it bigger and it

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was very old. I thought that
was a cool logo. Yeah, even

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though it was the wrong color.
So what did they change the color?

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No, they just left it because
they left the uniforms royal blue. Okay,

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the uniforms were royal blue. I
think. I think on the helmet

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it was just navy, but the
uniforms were royal blue. Well, there

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you go. Sorry to answer to
start the story to show that this way.

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But I thought it was interesting.
It's, you know, something that

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we talk about. You know,
it's something that fans are going to talk

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about, you know what, Like
when you think all these helmets that came

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out, particularly during the rich Rod
time, right, they went to that.

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They got the chrome red helmet,
they got the copper helmet, you

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know that when they had the white
out for the cow game, they had

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the white helmet with a silver logo. You know, all those things.

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Every one of those generated some excitement. There was the blue flat navy helmet,

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you know, the matte color and
you know, with the red logo

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on it, and that came out. Oh that's really cool. But all

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of it was tied to something.
This is tied to nothing. And that's

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to me the missing part of this. Does it look good and it looks

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all right? Does it saying?
It doesn't say anything to me? You

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know, there's no there's nothing behind
it other than somebody got on power Point

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and started messing with fonts and came
up with this. So it's kind of

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like the basketball jerseys that was the
trans trans It's not transparent, but the

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the grade in jerseys. I thought
those rugly as hell, and some people

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loved them, and what the hell. Look, I'll just tell you know.

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I'm on this thread with a bunch
of young guys and then one old

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guy, you know, a dad, the two dads, and then a

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bunch of our kids and then their
friends. They love, of course they

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do. Of course it's new when
it's fresh. And as one the guys,

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it's sweet, exactly, good for
you, good for you, with

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you turn age. I told him
I didn't like it in there like a

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shot. I'm wor shot, wor
shot. We got a let's take this

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call. Oh you're on the air
and I on the ball. Yeah,

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I'm just calling in to talk about
the snake a. Okay, Yeah,

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what's your name? My name is
Bernie. Hey, Bernie, what do

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you got? Well, you know
they're talking about Jim Young started the snake

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A. Actually, Bob Weber started
to coach before Jim Young. Oh did

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he? Okay? All right,
yeah, and at that time they had

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cardinal red helmet and stuff. But
Bob Weber's the actual Sorry, okay,

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so the snake a was on the
red helmet. Yeah, okay, I

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don't I don't football. I don't
remember that. So let me ask you.

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You you sound like I don't need
to tell you to get off my

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lawn, because you know back then, what do you think about the logo

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then new one. I haven't even
seen it. I just put the radio

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on and I'm describing. I heard
that they were talking about the snake.

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Okay, you know Jim Young,
he made it bigger and went to the

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helmets and those royal blue right a
history history they were, but blue is

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my favorite color, so I was
okay with them. Yeah, well thanks

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for thanks. Yeah, hey,
Bernie, we appreciate that for the clarification.

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Thank you. Yeah, all right, cool, cool, Well let's

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let's talk. We got about four
minutes before we break. Well, if

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you've ever gone to there's there's a
there's a website called the Helmet Project that

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lists helmets that go all the way
back to forever for everybody, for all

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the college teams, all the NFL
teams. Whoever put this together is like

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done some incredible, incredible research on
it. So I'm looking back to see

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if they have the snake a helmet. Yeah, there it is. I

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found it. He is absolutely correct. There's a red helmet with the snake

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a on it and that would have
been yeah, in nineteen seventy two,

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and that was Bob Weber's last year, So then then kept it for they

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kept it. They kept it after
that for seventy and there was a white

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helmet with a blue snake. A. Now I found out where the football

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team was cursed. It started back
then with that damp snake there. It

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is from seventy three to seventy six
you had the snake A. It was,

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it was a it was ultimately was
the navy blue with a red outline

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on a white helmet with blue face
masks. So you know, to me,

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it's too much ado about NAVA,
But hey, what do I care.

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I'm not I'm not a uniform guy
again. But you said, you

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said the magic fresh. Yeah,
you know they're trying to keep things fresh.

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I mean, how many different logo
helmets and helmets because Oregon had right

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and what are they known for that
change? Yeah, they're known for that

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cool. They're known for their their
their creativity and all that stuff. Right,

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let's let's yeah. In basketball they
do very well, helps them a

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lot. Well, they don't wear
helmets and basketball. You don't have to

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say jersey stuff. Hey, we
got prettynum. Let's talk about today store.

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We're gonna talk a lot about the
Big twelve media day through the eyes

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of other people. We have a
local guy, Troy Well. We couldn't

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be there you and I, so
we're doing the next best thing. We're

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talking to people who are there.
Troy is one of those. He's been

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on the show a lot. We
got a lot of stuff from him.

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He's there with some of the other
local media guys, so we'll get his

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thoughts on on on media and what
happened today. I watched some of it.

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I miss Brett your Mark's comments on
it, and they didn't. They've

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posted the video of all the other
coaches press conferences, but not his.

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But he said a lot of things. But the thing I like that he

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said the most was that they really
want Vegas to be a part of what

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they do. If appropriate or a
p applicable to the point of wanting to,

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you know, when the next holiday
Vegas Bolt contract, they want to

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be a part of that, so
that you know, if that if that's

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a if that continues to be a
bowl game for the conference that we're in,

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I'm all in, Well, they
will have to wait for basketball because

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it's been that's booked up to three
Yeah. Yeah, basketball. I don't

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expect to see that there ever,
because they rely so much on travel of

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the whole conference. Whereas you're in
the Vegas Bowl. You only need one

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team's fans to go, and I
would go, you know, I would

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go in a heartbeat if airsone's in
the Vegas Ball. Okay, So Troy

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at the three seventeen hour and then
four seventeen would have Michelle Gardner from the

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There was Only Republic. She's busy
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other things. Right, So we'll
see what their world sounds like. Rights

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like Kenny Dillingham, ASU coach at
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her impressions of him there. And
then what I want to hear from both

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of them, Steve, is what's
what's the vibe? You know, what's

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the conversation not just among the coaches
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You know, what's the what's the
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You know, the new kids on
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know what the what's the media saying
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to all this stuff? Excuse me? That's going on. So that's I'm

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interesting. I'm glad I'm out there. I mean, honestly, we've gone

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to so many of those things and
sometimes it's a waste two days. Well

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yeah, but the first one would
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so yeah, we've find other things
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so let's take a break, all
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Hey, welcome back to my I on

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the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen
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in Tucson. Oh, we'll be
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there for us tomorrow when Arizona goes. Oh, we thought you're out there.

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Okay, So your impressions what you
saw today? You know, I

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thought your Mark, when asked about
going to Vegas and having more events in

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the Vegas kind of I don't want
to say, danced around the question,

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but you could tell that it is
a want from the Big Twelve. But

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how much so, I don't know. And then I thought he did a

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good job of handling the Arizona Kansas
question, which I believe Javier Morales asked

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him about as well. What did
he say, I missed, I missed

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the press corse, what do you
say that? You know, scheduling is

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very difficult and it's more like a
matrix. I'm kind of summing up the

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word there, but matrix where you
know, you got to work on it

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and it comes out the way it
is, and that hopefully they'll be able

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to adapt to that moving forward,
since those are the two bigger brands in

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basketball when it comes to the Big
Twelve conference. All right, well again,

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somebody should have been able to fix
that. That should have been like

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put purposely on and didn't do the
rest exactly. Yeah, set that one

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and then yeah, then do do
do all the other ones? That was

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my thought. I agree with agreed, So let's go to your Mark,

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because you know he's he's been sort
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making you know, uh, you
know, he says a lot of things.

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What's your impression of him? I
think he's very business like. You

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know, George Khalil Coff seemed like
that guy that obviously knew what he was

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doing business wise, considering he was
head of mgm uh, but more you

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know, kind of happy, go
lucky and I don't want to say buddy

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buddy, but kind of down to
guy. I don't know much about your

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mark, obviously, I haven't met
him yet in person, but he was

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very business esque and understands what it
needs to be done to kind of keep

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a conference running. Compared to what
we saw on the pack call the last

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couple of years. Yeah, no
question. I was to ask you he

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did say that. And I don't
know if you saw this, Jay,

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how the Big twelve will be the
most completely You got the rop to bottom,

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top to bottom. And I have
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SEC is strung at the top but
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two teams well four now you would
say, but yeah, no, I

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agree with you, Steve, but
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the coaches said that, you know, there's no easy games in the Big

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twelve this year. Yeah, you
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you guys. When you look at
the Big Calve Conference, I think the

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the top portion maybe not as strong
compared to the SEC or the four teams

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in the Big Ten. But when
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no Vanderbilt, there is no Rutgers, There's no you know, games like

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that where you could schedule and an
easy win on your schedule. You know,

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you do have your bottom half of
the conference that needs some work.

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As U b y U. I
think was pointed to be near the bottom

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of the conference Colorado, but even
those teams showed improvement last season and their

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respected conferences at the time. Yeah, what did you want? You watched

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the whole thing, I'm assuming yes, Okay, So the coaches, what

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coach caught your eye today? You
know, they're only what the word eight

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of them? You know, any
coach that caught your eye in terms of

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nothing what they said, but just
their approach. They're dealing with the media,

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they're all that stuff. You know. I think Mike Gundy caught my

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eye, and you know he's a
guy that really has stood out throughout the

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years being in the Big twelve Conference. I think the Pac twelve last season

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in the last couple of years kind
of looked at Kyle Winningham as the savvy

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veteran coach that's been there a long
time, knows the conference. And now

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Mike Gundy is that guy at the
Big twelve. And obviously Winningham is one

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of the older guys as well,
but you know, he kind of has

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that presence of being the big coach
in the conference. Maybe not exactly like

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a Nick Saban or a Pete Carroll
type of personality, but he knows what

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his program's about. They know what
they do well, and they go out

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and do it. And I think
there's a very open and honestness about him

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about how they go about handling their
business at Oklahoma State. Yeah, we'll

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see, we'll see. And that's
a good point because he's been there forever.

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Right. Yeah, he's the forty
year old man. I'm forty,

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Come after me, Sunny Dike's interested
me a little bit. I saw him

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this morning. Well, you know
your your thoughts on him. I mean,

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he's an old packed you know,
he's an old Pack ten guy,

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Pack twelve guy. So you know, he knows he probably knows these guys

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as well, the new the newcomers, as well as anybody was in the

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National Championship game a couple of years
ago. Your your thoughts on him,

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Yeah, you know, I think
it's nice to see coach Sunny Dyke's back

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in the same conference as Arizona.
Obviously, you know, being the Cal

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head coach and there is an offense
coordinator Arizona is somewhat familiar with him.

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I know it's completely different from when
he was that Gal and Arizona, but

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you know what he's gonna run.
I mean, you know, it's gonna

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be very similar to Mike Leach with
his own twist on it. And it's

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just nice to see that consistency out
of his programs. Uh, have been

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very good throughout the year. I
know TC was a little bit down last

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year, but that's one of those
programs where their recruiting classes may not be

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high, but that coaching staff and
him in particular, seem to get the

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most out of their players and they're
always very competitive. So that's gonna be

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one that's gonna be interesting, and
just seeing how that game day and kind

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of game week happens. I think
it's the Thanksgiving weekend and just kind of

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reminiscing probably a little bit about his
Arizona days with Nick Foles, Mike Stoops

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and whatnot during that time in tusson
to both of you guys, what would

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you think that Brendan would have to
do tomorrow to impress those that haven't seen

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him yet at this at this situation, well in the conference one and for

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us too in this stage, because
he's just he's just a dude. Yeah,

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he's not a He's not gonna say
Wow, that dude's impressive. You

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know what I'm saying. He has
got a stage. He's got a stage.

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Now, can you use it?
You know? I think he needs

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to go out there to have confidence
in his program, confidence in himself,

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and confidence and his players. And
I think that's the biggest thing he needs

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to show is that Arizona isn't here
just to be a part of the Big

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Twelve and oh, we're so happy
to be here. He needs to show

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that Arizona is looking to win the
Big Twelve conference and make some noise this

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season. I would say that's the
biggest thing. But you know, being

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around coach Brennan and doing a couple
of interviews with him during this time already

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in Tucson. He's just not that, you know, I don't want to

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say command room guy. He's just
a very laid back guy that seems confident,

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but he's not overly confident. He's
just a very laid back and happy

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to be doing whatever he's doing at
that moment kind of guy. So that

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said, Jay, does he have
to do the thing I just asked?

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I I know, because I don't
think anybody expects that from him. Okay,

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Brent Brennan doesn't light up a room, be you right, bren Brandon

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doesn't light up a room when he
walks in a room, not like a

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you know, a Loot Olson or
maybe you know whatever coaches have been around

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that they walk in the room and
you know when they walked in the room.

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Brent Brynant's not not that guy.
And I don't think he's ever going

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to be that guy. And he
doesn't particularly need to be that guy.

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When you're there is on a football
coach, when you're there's on a basketball

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coach. Maybe, But even Tommy
Lloyd isn't really that either. But he's

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you know, he's done okay with
that too, so I don't think so.

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You know, I'm looking at the
list right now the coaches who spoke

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and outside of you know, Sunny
Dyke's Kyle Whittingham. Of course, I

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paid attention to Kenny Dillingham, you
know, the SU coach, and Mike

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Gundhy. None of the other coaches
were to me, they were all the

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same guy right now. Every one
of them came in and they seem confident,

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they like their teams and every you
know, you look at that list

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of you know who spoke to the
TCU of Kansas State, Cincinnati, Texas

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Tech, Utah a SU, Oklahoma
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those coaches think they can win the
league. Of course it's right. Probably

407
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the only one that probably can is
as UN. They cannot is as U.

408
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.440
But even Kenny Dillon Ami was saying, you know, he feels very

409
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.759
good about his team. So to
me, that's the thing about this conference.

410
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:02.519
Nobody's looking up at an Ohio State
and Michigan in this league, and

411
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:07.079
that's that's I think the big deal
this time around. Yes, yes,

412
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.119
you agree there, Senor Troy,
Yeah, you know, I agree with

413
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.839
that. There's no House state.
There's no Alabama, there's no USC back

414
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.160
in the day or in Oregon now, so it's kind of a wide open

415
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.480
race. But I do think those
there's about well, we'll say, three,

416
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:27.119
maybe five teams in the league that
can make a case for winning the

417
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.200
Big twelve. I think the Rats
you're fighting to get in the bowl game.

418
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.000
But I think those three to five
teams have a legitimate shot of winning

419
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.599
the conference of everything falls into place. So did you vote for the media

420
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:42.160
or did did what? I don't
do that. No, we did not

421
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:47.039
have a media vote this season.
The hell right, I don't know what

422
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.279
they're doing. You need to send
them some money. They didn't a lot

423
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.799
of people, and they ask people
that I don't know if they'd be biased,

424
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.359
but I think they'd be biased to
some of the Well, I hope

425
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.359
they had more than you know,
three from here, a couple from here,

426
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.319
right right right, and there's a
lot of media. If they did,

427
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.599
I think they would have finished better
in the polls. Yeah, I

428
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.880
agree with that. We're talking to
Troy Hutchison from Gooiseycats dot com. Okay,

429
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.519
Troy, we're gonna talk to you
Michelle Gardner about him. But Kenny

430
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.640
Dillingham. He's got his work cut
out for him. He's got a while

431
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:22.799
to go, you know, to
make some steps. Your your thoughts on

432
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.440
a SU, Yeah, you know, I think they did a good job

433
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.480
in year one kind of establishing what
kind of culture and what kind of program

434
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.640
they want to be in bringing his
style of coaching to Tempe. But you

435
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.880
know, you lost your five star
quarterback, he transferred out. You lost

436
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.039
some other guys that transferred out,
some guys to graduation. Yet again,

437
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:48.160
it's another case where you've kind of
been depleted even when you didn't have much

438
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.799
to go off of. Uh,
they're recruiting classes coming along together. But

439
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.200
to me, a SU is definitely
gonna be near the bottom of the league.

440
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.160
If they could get to that four
or five win mark, I think

441
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.680
it would be a great season for
a SU. But it's a long haul

442
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.319
right now, and it's going to
be it's going to be a process.

443
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.200
It's going to take some time,
and they're probably going to take some months

444
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.279
along the way. Yeah, I
agree. Did did the commissioner say anything

445
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.200
else that struck you while he was
on the podium. I think one of

446
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:19.559
the things that he said that kind
of struck me. Is that just really

447
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.960
the statement of the Big Twelve of
being a football conference top to bottom.

448
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.000
I think we already talked about that
as well, but also wanting to be

449
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.039
a complete conference and acknowledging the basketball
side of this conference. Again, it

450
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.000
is a football media day, but
still with that you've had acknowledgement of basketball,

451
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.680
so you kind of see where this
conference is going to have its bread

452
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.319
buttered in a way. You look
at Big twelve basketball, it could rival

453
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.599
old school be East days. So
even though it's a football media day,

454
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:56.880
he wasn't shy or doesn't didn't hesitate
about talking about Big twelve basketball and how

455
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:02.119
excited they are for that as well. Yeah, you know, it's I

456
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:03.039
don't know, I don't know.
As you said, I don't know this

457
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.480
guy anymore than but it's refreshing to
be in a conference where you feel like

458
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.400
the commissioners he knows what he's doing, and it's going to go out there

459
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.920
and try and kick some ass to
you know, to do something with your

460
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.680
conference instead of, as you say, you know, kind of be friends

461
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.119
with everybody and sit back and let
things happen, which again, you know,

462
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:27.480
the presidents of the PAC twelve universities
as much to blame as George klavkov

463
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.119
and and Larry Scott. But you
know, you feel like Bret Yormark is

464
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.440
trying to do things. He's trying
to do things for the good of the

465
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.000
conference, and he's not going to
take he doesn't want to take a back

466
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.799
seat to anybody. And I think
that's it's kind of kind of cool to

467
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:47.319
be in a conference with a guy
like that. Yeah, and I think

468
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.279
it's kind of an important time for
the conference. Yes, it's a brand

469
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.200
new conference in terms of sixteen teams, but in the next three to five

470
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.000
years, somewhere in that time,
college athletics could look very different, and

471
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:03.759
you want to be one of the
conferences that are gaining twenty twenty two teams

472
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:10.519
as that ACC eventually probably disbands at
some point and you're left with three mega

473
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:12.319
conferences. So you don't want to
be on the outside looking into that.

474
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.440
Troy, I'll ask you this question. You are a little older than twelve

475
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:21.200
years old, so give me your
thoughts on the new Cat's logo with that

476
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:25.960
helmet. I honestly love it.
I think it's great. I love the

477
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.200
cursive cats, which kind of does
a little much to the Curse up Ua

478
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.960
back in the seventies. Personally,
I would have liked to have seen the

479
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:38.680
red block a back in that,
you know, late eighties, early nineties

480
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.880
kind of Larry Smith Dick tell me, look, but I think this is

481
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.599
a very good job by Arizona.
A lot of the times when you see

482
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.759
teams roll out and you helmets,
you uniforms, most of the time you're

483
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.160
wondering, what the hell are you
doing? Like that looks terrible? Why

484
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.039
are you going away from your kind
of colors in your tradition. But Arizona

485
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.240
did a great job of embracing its
pass and you know it's going to be

486
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.559
an alternative look for Arizona and kind
of in the mix. So it'll be

487
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.440
exciting and I can't wait to see
the person. Yeah, I heard it

488
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:13.599
in Vegas that h it's going to
give everyone six more points to start the

489
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:19.799
game. Well, I don't know
about that. I'm no expert when it

490
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.880
comes to betting. I don't know. I'm shaking my head and discussed.

491
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:28.920
I'm shaking my head and discuss that
was That was a very typical Steve comment

492
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:31.319
on something cool that the uf A
is trying to do he looks really good?

493
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:38.480
Give him six extra points to start
to get shut up, maybe to

494
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.640
play good. Right there you go. Maybe they do get six extra points

495
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.400
because maybe they get a recruit who
thinks that the helmet is cool. Because

496
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.480
we know how shallow those guys can
be about some right, Look how good

497
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.640
it's done to this right, Hey, Troy, thanks for joining us.

498
00:32:53.039 --> 00:33:00.240
Appreciate it. It'st out of trouble
over there, said Okay, yeah,

499
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:07.640
yeah, money coming their way.
That that stuff for the uniforms is gonna

500
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.519
get me all betile. I'm sure
Philly and San Diego is loving it too.

501
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.680
Anything else before we take off,
then we're good. I don't have

502
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.079
anything else to say to you the
rest of the day. Lucky me.

503
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:22.319
If you let's take a break and
maybe get some calls on the other side.

504
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.720
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I on the Ball. Hey,
welcome back to the ball here on

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Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, You're Jay who get Ryan with us

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today seventeen minutes and a bonus two
minutes. If you want to call us,

535
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please do. I got a note
from somebody about the block Running A

536
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Running A. The movie A that
was the Tony Masoneers with the White Yea

537
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:59.440
it had the shadow on the left. They called it the moving a movie

538
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.719
at least that's Tony Mason called it
when he when he came in and that

539
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.519
was the that was when they went
from the royal blue uniforms back to red

540
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.320
for for his teams. They had
the red helmet with the with the A.

541
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.480
They called it the movie A.
This is the Tony Mason. How

542
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.199
did that helmet go? How they
got into the festival with the damn it?

543
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.679
And then what happened? Well,
then he got fired. He got

544
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.960
fired because he broke some rules party
and rules now that they were okay,

545
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.280
Look, Tony Mason did a good
job because he got us to Larry Smith.

546
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.920
Yeah. Yeah, it's like Sean
Miller did a good judge as you

547
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.559
Temmy Lloyd. You know, Steve, when you're when you're an Arizona fan,

548
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.840
particular an Arizona football fan, you
got to take the little victories.

549
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.079
I'm serious and you you kind of
agree with me. There was a there's

550
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.639
a cloud over this football program.
It's what a course. There is a

551
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.119
curse, A curse. Yeah,
yeah, we feel cursed. I have

552
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.840
to go back and read the you
know, they fought like wildcats, but

553
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.039
I read it, and I said, there's something there. Something happened,

554
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.400
like in the early sixties. We
truly feel curse that does something happened that

555
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.280
you guys got to kill a goat
or something or something maybe not a goat.

556
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:09.159
Yeah, well one of the things
could be in this. Anybody who's

557
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:15.159
my age or around it will remember
this. So Arizona goes eight and two

558
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:24.559
in nineteen sixty eight, I believe
it was, and the Sun Bowl came

559
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:30.960
calling, and I think ASU at
the Arizona was eight and one at the

560
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.119
time. So the Sun Bowl came
and was asking, you're talking about Arizona

561
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.960
and before the Arizona State game and
a su was also very good as well,

562
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.519
had been kicking the hell out of
Arizona for a while, and Arizona

563
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.480
demanded, they said, if you
don't, if you don't offer this bowl

564
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:52.440
game now, we're going somewhere else. And they call. So they played,

565
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.519
and so the Sunbowl said, okay, you're you're in the Sun Bowl.

566
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.119
Before they played ASU, well as
you've lost its mind and kick the

567
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.039
crap out of Arizona in the rivalry
game. And they called it the Ultimatum

568
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:09.559
Bowl because Arizona gave the Sumble and
Ultimatum. Arizona lost go to the sunbol

569
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.960
and lost that to Auburn as well. And you're sixty eight sixty okay.

570
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.199
I was nine years old and I
remember that. Okay, So that sticks

571
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.079
out to me as a time when
Arizona got too big for its breeches and

572
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:29.480
essentially since then been saying that you
don't. That sounds about right, Yea,

573
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.679
that sounds about that. That's you
know, that's the Boston Red Sox

574
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.920
goat for Arizona. That sounds about
right, because I remember the reading the

575
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.920
book, and I'm thinking it was
in the sixties. Something happened that he

576
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.920
says, no wonder the team is
like it is. Yeah, And I

577
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.760
think you hit the phrase on the
head too big for its breeches, right,

578
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.679
because we've said this, at least
I have, and you kind of

579
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.440
nod your head when I say it. Sometimes that happens with the fans,

580
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.480
right, and the teams. Yes, uh, you know, settle down,

581
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.239
don't get carried, don't get ahead
of yourself, don't get yourself right.

582
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.079
But they still do it. We
always get ahead of ourselves, Steve.

583
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:05.440
You know the only time I didn't
get ahead of myself that I can

584
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.880
recall was last year, the aironly
kept winning games, and I kept thinking,

585
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.320
this is going to crash any moment, you know, somebody, Yeah,

586
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.480
and then it didn't. I didn't
realize they won their last seven games

587
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:21.079
during the seven game winning streak,
they got the second longest winning streak in

588
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.320
college football behind Michigan. Well,
you know, and I'm like, wait

589
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:30.559
a minute. You know, it
wasn't until the last there was the Utah

590
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.800
game, and then they then they
beat ASU and then when it was it

591
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.599
took until the Utah game for me
to realize that this team was actually pretty

592
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.000
damn good. And so, yeah, you know, we do get ahead

593
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:44.519
of ourselves. We got ahead of
ourselves in ninety four when Sports Illustrated put

594
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.880
him as the number one team in
the country, you know, and it

595
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.440
went on to crap you know,
mid season there, and then the ninety

596
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.079
ninety nine season, coming off the
twelve and one season, and we got

597
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.320
ahead of ourselves and well, there's
the only guy ahead of itself and said

598
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.840
let's go play Penn State. At
their play. They weren't ready for that,

599
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.599
right you know, you know,
if they hadn't, I wonder if

600
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.920
they hadn't done that. They had
just said, let's let's play our schedule.

601
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.199
Let's go beat the hell out of
NAU in New Mexico and play a

602
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:17.039
good non a good huh non conference
game and get into our season. How

603
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.960
that might have changed everything, right, But that game, that game,

604
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:28.960
that Penn State game, had about
a five year impact on Arizona. Because

605
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:34.400
ninety nine was bad. Then it's
spilled into two thousand. Dyck Ptomy's gone

606
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.400
after two thousand and then we've got
two and a half years, three years

607
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.840
of John mcovic. Think about that, that first game that had a five

608
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.280
year impact, you know on Actually
even more than that when you think about

609
00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:46.000
how long it took Stoops to get
it going. If they don't, if

610
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.880
everyone doesn't get ahead of itself,
then let's go play this. They say,

611
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.760
you know what, we're new at
this. Let's yeah, let's just

612
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.480
go do our season. I was
gonna say this dumb question, I'll ask

613
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:00.840
it anyway. So what was in
the PAC twelve PAC ten at the time?

614
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.679
Was it in over its head in
football? Not basketball? Over its

615
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.920
head for most of the time because
it was not gonna win a title,

616
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.320
although it did kind of once or
twice. Would it would have been better

617
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.239
to stay in the Whack or whatever, just because it would have won more

618
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.800
titles? No, No, because
here here's the deal. While they were

619
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.320
in over their heads again, you
know, having to go up against U

620
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.639
got CN at that time, U
c L. A. Washington to a

621
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.440
degree or later Orgon later. No, you know, if that stayed in

622
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.199
the Mountain West, they would be
New Mexico. Yeah, they would be.

623
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.360
They would have been. If they
stayed in the Whack, they'd be

624
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:44.440
in New Mexico. They you know, No, I I they absolutely made

625
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.400
the right move in doing that.
Was there zone in over its head of

626
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.880
football? It absolutely was. From
the standpoint of being at the top.

627
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.519
Yeah, immediately, Arizona was in
the middle of the pack there, Okay,

628
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.599
in the pack call. They were
in football right right, football.

629
00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:59.880
They were up there with I know, you got to a Rose Bowl in

630
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:06.920
eighty six, eighty seven Rose after
they sixty I know all that. But

631
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.559
Arizona was close. And Arizona was
in that neighborhood with at that time Oregon

632
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:16.119
and a SU and Stanford. They
were that was their neighborhood. They weren't

633
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:20.440
in the Washington U C. L. A, USC and they stay neighborhood.

634
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.159
And they just stayed there the whole
time, you know, And and

635
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.239
that was fine. No, I
I know it was a dumb question.

636
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.079
I knew of I asked it.
But but see, but see that that's

637
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.719
what a SU was thinking. They
wanted to stay because they would have because

638
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:37.440
they were the big dog. They
were the big dog already. You know,

639
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.840
they they started a bowl game for
them. So let me ask you

640
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.760
this, If they were the big
dog back then, why didn't that translate

641
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:52.519
into better fortunes? To this day, nobody knows why because that was when

642
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.480
the sleeping giant thing was born.
But when Arizona, when Arizona, as

643
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.320
you got into the into the into
the into the Pac ten became the Pac

644
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.320
ten, people were thinking more about
a SU and it's football program than they

645
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.679
were thinking about Arizona and it's football. People were saying, oh, here

646
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:13.079
comes to a s U. They're
gonna because before right, I think season

647
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:17.880
or two before Arizona a SU went
into the Pac ten, a s U

648
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.039
beat USC at their place. They
got they got a non conference game up

649
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.760
with USC and beat them. So
people thought, oh, here comes a

650
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.559
s U. These guys might add
something to the they're going to be in

651
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.480
the in the high in the high
Rent district, in in the in the

652
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.360
Pac ten, and they never were. They got up there a couple of

653
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.679
times. They went to two Rose
Buls, but outside of those two Rose

654
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.360
Bowls, they were never contenders.
Well, they won the Packed Off South

655
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.719
one time. But you know,
they were like Arizona. They were the

656
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.119
same as Arizona as far as all
that goes, you know, so,

657
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.559
uh no, the Arizona made the
right move in doing that. What what

658
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:59.639
what it was was that they just
never caught up. They never caught up,

659
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.679
you know, on a consistent basis, right right right. In fact,

660
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.079
I would say that in football,
of all the teams that went into

661
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:09.760
the Pac ten, Pac twelve,
Utah made the most impact in football in

662
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.480
football, yes, absolutely absolutely,
And that to me, that that puzzles

663
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.440
me, okay, because if there
was a if there was a program that

664
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.280
was most like Arizona, it was
Utah Utah, Right, So how did

665
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.960
they do it? And Arizona did
not coaching No, because they went hire

666
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.639
freaking John mcvick who killed the program, you know, and they were still

667
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:35.079
coming out of that, you know, when when when Utah came. With

668
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.199
all due respect to Dick told me, and we all loved Dick told me

669
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.519
right, he was not going to
be that guy. He was not going

670
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.960
to get because he had had a
lot of chance. That just didn't happen,

671
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.320
right, right, And he was
right there, but no, yeah,

672
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.599
and we talked about the coaches since
him. No, that hasn't happened,

673
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.320
right, But coaching, I'm talking
about coaching at Utah, he's made

674
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.199
the difference. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, Kin Kyle waiting Ham, Well,

675
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.079
let's let's not forget that. It
was it was a urban Meyer who

676
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:05.760
got them today, right, and
then he left after that undefeated season,

677
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.800
and Kyle Whittingham, you know,
kept it going. You know, that's

678
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.280
what happened. Arizona didn't get that
guy. And I I to this day,

679
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:16.519
and look, you know I loved
Jim living Good. I know you

680
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.440
do too. We love having my
on our on our show. To this,

681
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.559
Dad don't understand why he hired him. Hired Well, he went to

682
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.239
you know how it is you you
go the opposite of who you have because

683
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.360
that way wasn't going. And and
and Dick was the father fight again.

684
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.280
He gave a lot of leeway to
his guys. He loved his guys.

685
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.679
So what do you do. You
go the opposite way, the guy who's

686
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.559
the strict, the strict dude who's
not gonna let him do anything, and

687
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.920
he overcorrected. Yeah, it was
like, you know, it was the

688
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.719
same things as with Kevin someone.
The day Arizona hired John mcvic people were

689
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.199
texting, not texting, emailing me
and saying, you are gonna hate this

690
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.360
guy. Well, because they had
already had to take it. They had

691
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.920
they had their time with him.
He had been at Illinois, he had

692
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:00.559
been at Texas, he'd been in
the NFL. I hadn't been here too

693
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.280
at a time. Well, he
was an assistant coach under Larious Smith.

694
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.360
You know who he Well that's it. But see, and that's why Jim

695
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:08.599
liven Good hired and we thought,
okay, he was here in Larry Smith,

696
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.519
people who love him. The guy
was a turn from the day he

697
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.599
got here. Yeah, he changed
everything. I mean, he spent a

698
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:17.719
lot of money in the offices,
blah blah blah and do it my way

699
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:21.880
yeah yeah, which of course everybody
does, but he did it the wrong

700
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:27.119
way. Yeah. He was so
caught up in who he was as opposed

701
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.159
to just being a good football coach
running a program and needed a good leader,

702
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.559
and he he just wasn't that guy. Yeah, yeah, no,

703
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.159
And you've seen what we counted them
the other day. We did stories or

704
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:43.800
did conversations about him. Four or
five since since then, Yeah, him

705
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:50.159
stoops through someone rich Rod the fish
now. Yeah. But getting getting back

706
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.719
to the curse, I don't know, you know, I mean, I'm

707
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:57.920
superstitious on a lot of stuff.
Do I feel cursed, yes, because

708
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:02.039
I feel every time something bad had
happened for Arizona to not get to the

709
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:07.039
top of the mountain, it happened. Right. Is that a curse?

710
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:14.039
Is it bad luck? You know? Is it whether just coaching mistakes and

711
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:19.840
those or player mistakes in those situations. I don't know. But after you

712
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.199
know, since being in being in
the in the in the Pac ten slash

713
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:27.239
Pack twelve since nineteen seventy eight,
and we're still sitting here without a football

714
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.039
championship, it feels like something there's
something else going on there that really did

715
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.440
all that. Yeah, well,
well you got to get over at some

716
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.320
point something's going to happen to kind
of correct. Maybe. I don't know,

717
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.639
if I have to get over it. Maybe well not over it,

718
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.559
but you have to I'm not you
guys, but the program has to do

719
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.400
it has to get Yeah, you
have to figure it out. There was

720
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.880
the thing in the exercist. Got
to get one of those dudes that kind

721
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.599
of bringing the water the water and
give a seance or whatever. Well,

722
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.920
I will say that my head has
spun around a number of times over the

723
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.480
course, over the course of following
Arizona foot and I can very well tell

724
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.280
you probably had a few too many
tequilas that have some green stuff fly.

725
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.119
Yeah, I'm certain of it,
you know. And and look, look

726
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.480
there have been some great times,
but the great times have never added up

727
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:15.480
to to you know, a great
gayer like feeling like you got to the

728
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.920
top of the mound. I think
though, that this will be this league.

729
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.079
Get into this league, better things
are gonna happen, more consistent winning,

730
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.079
more hope if that's the right to
praise, more hope, to be

731
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.320
having a shot at a decent right
playoff run. Well, I feel like,

732
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:36.119
you know, every season, unless
you know, you lose so many

733
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.559
players that you have you got nothing
left. I think every every season in

734
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:45.800
the Big twelve, everyone should expect
to contend for a championship. Whether they

735
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.960
do or not is another story,
but at least at the beginning of the

736
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.440
season, you'll feel like you have
a shot because again, there's no organ

737
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:57.440
in the way, there's no USC
in the way where you're stacked up against

738
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:01.840
somebody who just has some built in
advantages over you. None of the other

739
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:07.960
schools in the in the Big Twelve
have built in advantages over Arizona, None

740
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:13.800
of them out Oklahoma State, not
Utah, not TC, nobody. Every

741
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:19.719
team in the league is basically Arizona, at least that in my mind,

742
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.639
you know, in football. Yeah, no, I agree. So we'll

743
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.599
see what happens. This could be
and then you might have to thank you

744
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.880
and some people who don't want to
thank Fish for this happening, yeah,

745
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.480
because you know, it's kind of
like the string that happens, and he

746
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.360
was part of it and he got
you to some straight wins. We do.

747
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.920
I thank him for what he did. Yeah, I also didn't,

748
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.880
you know, kick him in the
narts for what he did. Yeah,

749
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.639
you know, in the way he
left. But in the end, yeah,

750
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.519
I'm happy that he was here.
Well, he's the guy that brought

751
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:52.840
because he did this hero Ban and
maybe Brendan's got it right. And he

752
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.079
did this, he put Arizona in
this position. Uh. And and now

753
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:00.599
you got not only do you have
a good a good team with you know,

754
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.360
good talent. Now you've got to
coach. It looks like he wants

755
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:08.960
to be here. And and who's
who's built for Arizona? Uh And maybe

756
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.519
you're you've got something there. You
know, we'll see you know when you

757
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.840
look at what's his name the mullet, Yeah, Mike Gundy. How long

758
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:21.719
he's been at Oklahoma State? They
wont some championships. Yeah, you know

759
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:23.360
they've been competitive, right. They
were in the Big Championship last year.

760
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.320
Remember a couple of years ago they
needed to win, They needed to win,

761
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.880
get a two point conversion to get
into the into the college football playoffs,

762
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.039
and you know, got stuffed at
the goal line. They were that

763
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.440
close to being in the four team
college football playoffs. So you know,

764
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.920
he's done a good job over there. To me, that's that's the school

765
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:50.719
that's as comparable as any to Arizona. Who is Oklahoma State traditionally there Arizona,

766
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:54.679
Yeah, pretty much pretty much.
Yeah yeah, yeah, not in

767
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.480
the football, yeah yeah, in
football, right for sure, when they

768
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:00.320
have this great year, you notice
something is you're not used to it.

769
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.079
You're not used to it. They
can't. They kind of come out of

770
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:07.239
nowhere. And he's been there for
a long time. He's he's a coach

771
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:13.079
that fits with who they are,
right and so to me, that's kind

772
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.760
of what we what I see initially
after watching these coaches today, especially I

773
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.840
see initially with Brent Brannan, I
feel like, you know, yeah,

774
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.480
you know, there's kind of a
fit there that maybe there hasn't been since

775
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.960
really going all the way back to
Dick Tomey, who's been a fit since

776
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.719
then. None of them, not
Macovic certainly, Mike Stoops didn't want to

777
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.400
be here. Rich Rod had one
foot out the door of the whole time

778
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.559
he was here. Kevin someone was
a pos and then you know, and

779
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:44.519
then the funny thing about it that
fish got here for you know, on

780
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.480
his way to somewhere else. Yeah, the funny thing about it with rich

781
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:50.239
Rod, and we like rich Rod, He's been on the show a number

782
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.679
of times. We enjoyed talking to
him. He would have done very very

783
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.960
well here had he not wanted to
get the heck out of Dodge, right,

784
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.599
Yeah, because yeah, because he
he was a to get the kind

785
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:01.960
of players that he could win,
he could win with. And if he

786
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:06.800
would have kept trying to do that
instead of kept trying to figure out how

787
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:08.559
to get the hell out of here, who knows Wherizona would have been that

788
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:13.880
twenty fourteen team. You know,
you could put that team up against any

789
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.719
of their other great teams. You
can put it up against Desert Swarm,

790
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.239
you put it up against the ninety
eighteen a chance to move the ball because

791
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:25.039
because they could score on anybody at
any time. You know, defensively,

792
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.039
they had their moments. You know
there was that Cow game where they were

793
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.119
behind by eighty points and came back
and won the game. But you felt

794
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:36.280
that every time Arizona got the ball
when rich Rod was here, they could

795
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.559
score. Every time. We gotta
go, We gotta go because my guy

796
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:40.800
here is gonna have breaking news here
in a little side. All right,

797
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.039
right, you're ready for this?
Ready to go? All right? Man?

798
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:49.039
You got me ranting, Steve good
We went through seventeen minutes. All

799
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:50.920
right, we'll take our breakaway back
with breaking news