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You play to win the game.
You don't play to just play it.

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That's a great thing about sports.
You play to win, and I don't

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care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When

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you start telling me it doesn't matter
to retire, get out because it matters.

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Hey, Hope, you had a
good weekend. Really excited for today

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and all week long really, but
there's at this time of the year a

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lot more going on than I think
many people would have expected. Welcome on

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a Monday, and welcome to Exus
and Bros. I'm Matt Shephard, Glad

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you're with us again. Hope you
had a great weekend. Our producer is

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Trend Bally, and we're glad that
he's with us as well. It's a

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kind of an exciting time for both
the Red Wings and the Pistons. Now.

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We may not think so originally because
we both know neither made the playoffs.

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We both know that neither team is
necessarily championship worthy. But there are

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certain names associated with certain franchises that
we felt were important to bring back,

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and we'll get to that coming up
here on a very busy Monday morning.

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That includes our friend Ted Coulfin from
the Detroit News. He's the Wings beat

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writer. He's going to join us
at seven thirty five. We're going to

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talk with DeShawn Tate. Deshaun Tate
is an NBA beat writer to a certain

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extent. I mean he's a guy
who really follows the NBA. And with

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the Pistons alleged move of Cad Cunningham, even though that's not confirmed by the

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team coming back and the hiring of
JB. Bickerstaff as their head coach,

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those are important topics to talk about. And the amount of free agency,

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the number of contracts that are being
doled out right now in NBA free agency.

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I wouldn't say it's borderline irresponsible,
but some of these I think are

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a little bit more than I thought. Like James Harden two years, seventy

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million dollars with the Clippers. I
couldn't I couldn't comprehend that. I'm like,

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Okay, go ahead, I mean, knock yourself out. To me,

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I think it's a little ridiculous.
But we'll get to all that.

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First things First, Tigers salvage one
from the Angels in a seven to six

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win, snapping the Angels six game
role Carson Kelly, Justin Henry molloy each

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will hit homers for Detroit. The
Tigers let it seven to one. In

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the ninth inning, they had two
outs, La gets a three run bomb

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from Zach Netto. They get a
two run shot from Joe Adell, and

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suddenly you're left wondering, is this
going to get blown? Is Shelby Miller

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this bad? Fortunately, Shelby Miller
out Tyler Holten in strikeout to end the

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game. Miller pitches two thirds of
an inning, allows five runs, three

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hits, on a walk. It's
been, it's been horrible. You've got

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and ask yourself this. And look
it's five after six in the morning,

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so maybe this is tough to comprehend
right away, but ask yourself this,

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of all the players brought in in
the off season for this Tigers team,

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who's been worth a damn? Who's
been the guy who said who you said,

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Yeah, he's who I thought he
was, you know, the that's

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the old Dennis Green. They are
who we thought they were. Who are

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these guys? So tell me that, tell me the guys you feel like,

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like, oh, this has been
this has been good. Way to

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go, Scott appreciate it very much. Jack Flairity's been better. Jack Flairty

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has been better than you thought.
Everybody else has been worse than you thought.

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So depending on what statistic you want
to marry with a certain player.

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Case in point, Mark Canna.
Mark Canna's betten two twenty eight. Maybe

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you're not into batting averages. Wow, has almost as many strikeouts as walks.

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Maybe you thought he was going to
be a home run hitter. He's

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got six bombs. That's it.
So don't tell me that's been something that

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you expected, Geo or Schella.
It's betting two forty one. Again,

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maybe you're not into batting average.
Maybe you're into production hoping that he he's

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got twenty one RBIs has he made
He's made some nice plays at third,

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but overall, has he been somebody
you have been blown away by for the

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contributions that he's made. His on
base percentage, by the way, it's

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two eighty one two eight one,
So there you go. I mean,

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there's two offensive guys that I bring
up. These are the things that I

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think about. Unfortunately, these are
the things I think about when I'm watching

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the Tigers. I want to know, I want to know who the guys

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are who are helping this team move
forward. Now, if you're unaware with

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on base percentage, okay, I'll
just give it to you. From a

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team perspective, the average is three
to eleven from a Major League baseball and

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as I mentioned, he's at two
eighty one. You want to know why

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the Tigers have such a problem with
on base percentage? And only Oakland,

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Chicago and Miami are worse. All
right, The White Socks, the Miami

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Marlins, and the Oakland A's are
the only teams worse than Detroit's on base

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percentage. And part of the reason
Geo Orchella has a two to eighty one

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on base percentage. Right, there's
your offense or the lack thereof in both

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cases, and then you look defensive
or you look pitching wise. Kent Tamada,

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look, you can. You may
not believe it's all associated with wins,

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because it's really not. Riese Olsen
is better than two wins, right,

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absolutely, but kent to Maida has
two wins and an ERA of almost

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six. Those are numbers you can
relate to. If you can't, and

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you think gets overrated, then walks
hits per innings pitched is pretty big.

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How many walks in he's pitched or
hits, I should say, and he's

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pitched. Are you allowing in other
words, base runners? In other words,

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you're getting yourself in trouble. Derek
Scoobel one of the best in the

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league at point ninety four. Kent
to Mayda one point four. Two teams

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are batting two point eighty against Kent
to Maida. That was another signing.

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How's that worked out for you?
Not too good? Then you look at

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Shelby Miller. He has an ERA
of six point two three for anyone who

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has been on this team for an
extended period of time. So I'm not

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gonna count a guy like Mason Englert, if that's okay. I'm not gonna

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count a guy like Kider Montero.
If that's all right, I'm gonna call

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Shelby Miller. Shelby Miller has an
ERA of six point twenty three. Those

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can be slightly misleading because of when
he comes in the game. Guys coming

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out of a bullpen, their era
can skyrocket because they come in for an

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inning and they don't have that many
innings under their belt or associated with them,

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and guys can score on them and
suddenly your era is inflated. But

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he walks too many guys and he
has given up six bombs in twenty four

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appearances, six bombs in twenty six
innings. There's been one guy who's been

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worth a damn. We'll talk more
of that on the other side. X'es

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The Ticket. We were talking about
the Tigers with a nice win. And

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sometimes I feel there's a little bit
of guilt lciated with this for me because

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even when they win, it's like
they finally win a game and you're ragging

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on some of the things they do
because even when they win, you're not

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comfortable at times a lot of times, and yesterday really should not You shouldn't

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have to go back to your bullpen
again. Now, it's very it's a

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minor detail because today they have off. They're in Minnesota today. They may

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have stayed last night in California.
I doubt it, but they probably flew

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to Minnesota. They have today off
in Minnesota. You'd rather have a day

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off in La than Minnesota, probably, but anyway for a three game series

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against the Twins and then it's three
games against Cincinnati and then your back home.

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So today Tyler Holton and others get
a chance to rest. Not a

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huge deal, right. Bottom line
is you're trying to get Shelby Miller right,

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and he's not helping himself. And
he's been terrible. I'm sorry,

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he's been terrible. Can has been
bad, or Shell has been bad,

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has been bad, My eight has
been bad. Flaherty's been the only one

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worth of damn in your offseason signing, and you're going to trade him if

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you're smart, You're going to trade
him. All right, this is the

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month we're getting there, man,
Today's July first. The trade deadline is

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at the end of the month.
Your team is fifteen games back in this

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division. These are the hardcore realities
of what you and I have been dealing

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with with baseball for most of this
season. They are fifteen games back in

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the division to the Cleveland Guardians,
who have fifty two wins. I mean,

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credit where credit is due. They
have the third most wins in the

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American League. Only Baltimore and New
York have more, and the Yankees have

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been spiraling. They've been terrible.
As of late fifty two wins fifth most

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in all of baseball. I mean, the Guardians have as many wins as

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the Dodgers. Who would have thought
that? Think about that for a second.

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I mean, in Cleveland, you
are absolutely giddy. There's no way

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you would have ever thought that your
team at this stage. I'm not saying

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they're going to finish with the same
number of wins. I mean, Trent,

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would you say Cleveland is the biggest
surprise in all of baseball so far?

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Oh? Absolutely. I think at
large, the entire al Central has

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been a surprise, and that's why
it stinks for the Tigers and Tigers fans

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to be in fourth, because it
ain't like being ahead of the White Sox

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is anything to cheer about. Yeah, yeah, it's a good point.

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I mean, I think the division
is as well, so I think that's

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a fair comment. I think Cleveland
is maybe Kansas City's in that conversation,

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is biggest surprise in baseball. But
who would have thought in a positive way?

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But who would have thought? Think
about this, folks. The Dodgers

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have a payroll of two hundred and
thirty one million dollars two hundred and thirty

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one million. That is seventh in
all of baseball. The Tigers, by

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the way, ranked twenty third.
Cleveland has a payroll of one hundred million.

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It's more than twice as many for
LA and they have the same number

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of victories. That's nuts, absolutely
nuts, And that's a sign of a

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well run franchise. You don't have
to look too much further than moving off

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Francisco Lindor. Everyone thought they were
crazy at the time. I did.

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I said, you're gonna have to
spend some money somewhere in fairness both organizations.

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I think it's also a sign of
how good they are at developing players.

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I mean the Dodgers. Sure,
the big names of Otani and Freemen

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and bets are all rightfully so on
the headlines, but they have home your

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own players who are really good and
instrumental in getting them to where they are

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today too, Like Will Smith for
example, hell of a catcher, you

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could argue outside jt Rila Muto perhaps
the best catcher in baseball, one of

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them anyway, Same thing with Cleveland
homegrown guys. You're not drafting or you're

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not signing a bunch of free agents
as that organization so full props. It's

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frustrating. I mean, your borderline
pissed off, But I mean you got

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to give them credit where credit is
due. So you're fifteen games back bottom

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line, Detroit, fifteen games back, thirty eight up and forty six down.

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Okay, eight games under five hundred
folks. Now, the optimist in

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me might say, hey, wait
a minute now, I mean the defending

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world champion Texas Rangers have the same
record as the Detroit Tigers. The Toronto

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Blue Jays have the same number of
wins as the Detroit Tigers. And just

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so people are aware, Toronto is
a top ten payroll in all of baseball,

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they're number nine. Maybe there's a
part of you that says, well,

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wait a minute, look at the
Reds and the Cubs that they have

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roughly the same number of wins.
And I would say, okay, so

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does Washington. How does that grab
you anything special there? And by the

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way, the Cubs are arguably the
biggest disappointment in baseball. They rank eighth

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in payroll. Thought Craig Council would
be much better than what he's done so

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far. I don't know how much
it's on him and how much it's on

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the roster that they put together,
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a seller at the trade deadline.
They have to be one because and I'm

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sorry to talk about this so early
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but that's because you know, they're
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too. Remember there was a time
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all the articles were being written,
all the beat writers. Yeah, but

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they're only four and a half games
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they're struggling, they are only four
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This is like the beginning of June. And I said, on this

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show. I said, Yeah,
here's the problem. Houston's behind them,

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Tampa's behind them, Toronto's behind them. And I said, they're all better

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than the Tigers. They're all going
to leap frog Detroit. I said that

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on this program, and that's exactly
what's come to fruition. Texas has also

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leaped frog them. The only teams
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record why are the Angels who just
beat them three out of four, Oakland,

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who's horrible, I mean just god
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who's minus one eighty two in run
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two. Rather, yes, scep
the White Sox in the A's let's not

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sugarcoat it. Are historically awful.
It's not just for this season, right,

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historically awful. Oakland, by the
way, has the lowest payroll in

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all of baseball, so let's not
use that as the mangarine stick. And

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they're leaving town, and they're leaving
town and they have no atmosphere, and

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they have a horrible ballpark, and
they're horribly run and they don't have a

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guy. You look, you don't
they don't have one guy you look at

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and say, got to have them. What's my what's my perspective? Folks?

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What do I say? I say
all the time look at my team,

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look across the diamond, the field, next to the ice or whatever,

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and say, I gotta have that
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that team that you say that about? And the answer to that primarily is

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no. So you gotta be sellers. Flirty's going to be sold. He's

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being traded. That means you're off
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morning, my expectation is to just go

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through the headlines and then use it
as a jumping off point, and I

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got to get better at this,
but I just get stuck as soon as

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I start talking about the Tigers and
scene what is taking place, you know.

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I mean you can barely get wet
had half an hour and barely get

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through the Tigers entire game summary if
you will. Because the Shelby Miller problem

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has given me issues, and the
Tigers in general have given me issue.

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They are going to open up a
three game series in Minnesota tomorrow. Trek

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Scougbel gets the nod in Game one, so that that allows everybody to do

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it a big sigh of relief.
I will say this in talking with friends

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over the weekend, and I think
it's a pretty good barometer because all my

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friends are huge sports fans, and
they're all Tigers fans. They have lost

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complete interest in this baseball team.
They're done. It's amazing. I tweeted

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something out yesterday on X about Patrick
king. How Emily Kaplan of ESPN said

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that the Red Wings have agreed to
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That's good. I think that's good. I think it's a great move,

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quite honestly by Steve Eiserman. My
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really long not really, but it
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for a thirty five year old,
and it was going to be financially strapping,

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and it is not. It's a
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I think it's I think it's a
really smart move for Eiserman and the

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Wings, and I think it's a
good move. Guy had twenty goals for

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this team a year ago. That's
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I think he adds a little something
more than just goal scoring. The leadership,

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yeah, leadership, yeah, intangibles
and for four million bucks and he's

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got a chance to make what six
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a half according to Kaplan, two
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Sometimes for me, I mean the
word leadership oftentimes gets overused, but I

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don't think it's inappropriate here. I
think they do have some guys who've been

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around a little bit. I mean, Dylan Larkin's been around long enough,

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right, I mean, but you
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Now, does that mean that Steven
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a Steven Stampcoast. No, No, the Red Wings have a lot of

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cap space. It's about thirty three
million dollars, but remember half of that

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is going to be set aside to
try and make sure Cider and Raymond are

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happy. Okay, And by the
way, that thirty three million was before

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Patrick Kane is brought back, So
it's a little bit less than that.

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We'll talk about that with Ted Coulfin
of the Detroit News. He's going to

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join us at seven thirty five here
on Exus and bro So. I mean

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that's where you know, my mindset
was headed well talking about the Tigers,

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and when I tweeted that out last
night, somebody said, this is a

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good start. We need to see
a little bit more. I can only

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speak for myself. I don't expect
to Stanley Cup, but I do expect

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a playoff, Berth. If I
can't get that, I don't know what's

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going to happen. The Pistons,
Wings and Tigers have worn me out.

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That's what somebody said. I think
the nail on the head there, Chef.

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I think absolutely emotionally more than physically. You know, Trent, you

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and I talk about this a lot. It's all about expectations, right,

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So what was your expectation? I
hurt myself by expecting more out of the

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Tigers. Me too. My benchmark, Chef, is always the fourth of

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July. If the Tigers watchable by
the fourth of July, which as we

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know the last six to eight years
they haven't been. If they're watchable by

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the fourth of July, I'm in
a good head space. What does watchable

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mean to you? More than two
runs a game? Yeah? Quite Frankly,

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to me, it means being such
a generic word, but I'm gonna

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use it anyway. Competitive, Yeah, I watch them, and it's not

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that I love baseball. You love
baseball. It's not that we don't think

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they can win because in any given
day, right, But like you said,

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the offense you worry about constantly.
You know, it's a bad defensive

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team, and there's not one guy
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It's not that I don't like Matt
Vererling. I like them a lot,

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but they're not making me tune in. I think another aspect of this

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two chef just quickly, is that
some of the players you were looking forward

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to watching, like Spencer tarclsen Casey, Miz Matt Manning, they've all fallen.

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They've face planted. Quite frankly,
Yeah, that's true. Think think

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of the guys in just a few
different teams, okay, and who who

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you would tune in to watch.
So if let's see huse Baltimore as an

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example. You want to watch Gunner
Henderson, You're damn right you do.

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You want to watch Addlie Rushman,
You're damn right you do. That's just

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two names. New York, Soto
Judge, even to a certain extent,

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Volpi, who's a young, nice
piece. Absolutely you want to watch those

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guys. Cleveland. You want to
watch Jose Ramirez every day. Absolutely,

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get a chance to watch him.
You want to watch Bobby Witt Junior every

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day in Kansas City, Hell yeah
you do. Houston, Texas. You

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can pick a lot of guys,
and both those teams. I think Houston

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just one the other day. So
they're over five hundred and they're coming.

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You know, somebody told me earlier
this year they're not that good. I

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said, really, you're gonna judge
them already. They're just fine. They've

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got a lot of talent. Don't
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They will be there in the end. That's who they are. They

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have dogs, and that's a good
thing. I don't mean dogs is in

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they're lazy. I mean they've got
dogs who will get after it. Name

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the team. For the most part, Jazz Chisholm doesn't necessarily make my blood

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pressure boil in a good way.
C. J. Abrams doesn't do that

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in Washington either, or Mackenzie Gore. But I'm saying, for the most

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part, you're looking at teams around
baseball and they've got a guy or two

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at least that makes you go,
can't wait to watch it tonight. Trent

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and I aren't doing that. It's
not happening. We're not looking at this

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ball club and going, I cannot
wait to see what this guy does here

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today. And if there is one
of those guys that's trek school and that's

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once a week right right now,
perhaps cold Keith has started to turn around.

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Maybe that is a guy who moves
your needle. Justin Henry malloy with

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a Little League inside the Parker Little
League home run yesterday. Maybe Okay,

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I mentioned Riley Green. But you're
not judging Justin Henry molloy yet, you're

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not. It's not a guy that's
making you tune in. You're going to

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talk to your buddies down the hall
and say, how about what Justin Henry

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molloy did yesterday. They're going to
say, who the hell is that?

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It feels very a Keel bado esque
from a few years ago, Remember when

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he burst onto the scene. Yeah, yeah, I understand that. Because

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neither one are good defensively, both
are offense. I think I think mlloy's

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a lot better offensively than the Kiel
bad A lot like he is. The

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difference is he's got a much better
idea of the strike zone. Always has,

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all right. I don't see him
swinging and missing often at mid ninety

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fast balls down the middle of the
plate, So things like that, I

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don't know. I think, excuse
me. I think sometimes we get wrapped

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up in comparing certain positions with certain
young players. The troubling aspect is Justin

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Henry mlloyd doesn't really have a position. I know, they've shifted him to

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the outfield. Atlanta did the same
thing in case people didn't know. Originally

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the third baseman Atlanta signs Austin Riley, do a long term deal. They

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have a future for Justin Henry mulloy, so they make him off and then

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he comes to Detroit and they kind
of, you know, they were tweaking

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a little bit and thinking maybe it's
not a bad idea to moving back to

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third base, and they've decided third
base wise, he's just not good enough,

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so they moved to the outfield.
And that's again a problem within the

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system. The problem within the system
is they've got guys who quote unquote can

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hit, but where do you find
room for them? Defensively? It's a

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lot of platooning. Shep all over
that. I mean, everywhere in the

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clubhouse is platooning. I don't know
if there's to your point earlier, there's

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not many guys that you point at
like you could with the eighty four Tigers

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and say he's playing there every single
day, and this is what the lineup

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is. Barn On right, And
even if you don't want to go eighty

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four Tigers, just just give me
the Phillies this this year. Give me

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Sure Baltimore Orioles this year. Give
me the New York Yankees. This year

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the Indians. Look, or the
Guardians. Excuse me, yeah, go

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go Guardians. Go Cancer City absolutely, look they Kansas City took a kid

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by the name of MJ. Melendez. He was a catcher. They moved

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him to the outfield. I don't
I'm not particularly fond of him because I

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think he swings and miss his way
too much. He's made more of a

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natural transition than the guy like I
think Justin Henry molloy has or will.

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But the bottom line is not just
platooning. It's position less. Platooning is

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one thing like you know Zach McKinstry. Oh, I can play some second,

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he can play some short he can
play some third, he can play

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some center field. Okay, But
if you said, look, he's going

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to be a shortstop or he's going
to be a second baseman, you can

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understand the athletic gifts that he possesses
to bring you that legitimate argument not that

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he's an everyday guy, so that's
the reason he's a platoon guy. But

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he's got that feel right. Cole
Keith is stiff at second. Jace Young

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is a guy who, even though
he played second base at Texas Tech,

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is not gifted defensively. A guy
like Justin Henry molloy is. This is

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in the same situation. They just
don't have those guys. They don't have

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a long term shortstop. They don't
have a long term third baseman. That's

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a problem. They don't. I
don't know about Dylan Dingler, but I'm

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are you sold on their catching?
No me either. This there in lies

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the problems. I feel like sometimes
when I'm talking about the Tigers, I'm

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talking about the Lions of about five
years ago, six years ago, where

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I'm saying, you need another defensive
pressure off the edge, you need guys

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in the secondary, you need a
third a second wide receiver, you need

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a couple of linebackers. There's a
whole you need there. And with the

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Tigers, I feel like it's the
same thing. You need fill in the

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blank. Okay, go ahead and
wait for Max Clark in center field.

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Go ahead. I don't know.
I mean the guy's playing in Lakeland.

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It's low way for crying out loud, but so many people are sold on

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him. Okay, I hope he
is everything that people say he is.

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That's not coming anytime soon, So
you're hoping your short term hope, I

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would guess would be Parker Meadows would
find it in Toledo and be better,

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and that allows you to strengthen your
left field with Riley Green. But right

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now that's not the case, is
it. So you're forcing left and right

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field into this lineup, not normal
or everyday guys at both positions. Same

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thing at third base, same thing
at shortstop, And don't give me hobby

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or bias. He's gonna do some
rehabbing and he's gonna be some simulation down

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in Florida and so on and so
forth, and then he's gonna come back.

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Yeah. I can't wait to have
the one to eighty four hitter back

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in the lineup. That's gonna be
great. I was just gonna say,

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if he can scratch two hundred,
we're happy, quote unquote, Yeah,

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what does that tell you? Meanwhile, the second base is still a problem.

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First base a little bit of an
issue. I don't want Mark Canada

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there every day to you. Hell
no. It outlines the deep rooted issue

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this team has. It has not
built a system full of guys who are

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everyday players, future everyday players at
that position. And shep to your point.

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I think when the team does go
on a heater or they do show

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flashes, it's a lot of smoke
and mirrors. It's not sustainable. You

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look at the batting average of the
team, or they win a game when

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schoobl pitches on his back they win
two to one or something like that.

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That's not sustainable. No, there's
no way. I mean, you've got

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to score runs, man, there's
no doubt about that. Yeah. I

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don't know if they've gone on a
heater this year, maybe five to zero

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to start the year. Maybe there's
your heater. But this team's not consistent,

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nor can they be not with this
offense. You can't be that.

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You can't be consistent, can.
I know what people say, pitching in

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defense wins championships, fair enough,
I don't disagree with that. You're not

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playing one hundred and sixty two games
strictly on pitching in defense and winning.

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You're not. Nobody does that,
and this team too often is going two

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runs or less. I think a
perfect example of that is a week ago

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or a week or so ago,
when they were unable to sweep the White

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Sox and the game they lost was
five to one. Yeah, well,

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not just that, think of this. So they win the game against the

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Angels seven to six. They lose
a six to five game the night before,

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which was ridiculous. They scored two
runs in the second game, they

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got shut out in the first game. They scored two runs against the Phillies.

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They scored one run against the Phillies
in the first game of that series.

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Right, it's it's pretty constant.
I think they're more consistently bad offensively

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than they would be consistently good pitching
wise. And that's a lot to say,

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because I mean, pitching wise,
with Olsen and Flaherty and schooball,

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they've been pretty damn good. But
their offense has been consistently horrible. And

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perhaps the bigger problem is there's nothing
you can do about it right now.

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There's nobody down in Toledo that is
tearing the cover off the ball so much

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that you've got to get them up
here right away. So people right now

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are frustrated because they feel like,
well, what's really let this offense down

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is two young guys who were expected
to do something Torkosen and Meadows. Okay,

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now, Metals has never been a
high average or high production type guy

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in the minor leagues, So I
don't know why you would have been led

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to believe that or feel like that
would have been the case. If you

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felt that way about Tourkosen, that's
fine, you want to lay it at

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his feet, go right ahead,
all on. The only reason I brought

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this up at five after the hour
about Urshela and Canna is because it's more

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than Torkosen. The expectation in the
off season was britt You know, Torkosen

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builds on last year, and then
we're going to bring in two qualified,

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established hitters who are going to help
the depth of this lineup. Swinging a

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miss, swinging a miss, swinging
a miss, keep going. But it's

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just those I'm just saying, those
were three guys. You expected Green to

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carry over. You expected Veerlin perhaps
to get a little bit better. I

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didn't expect much out of Cold Keith
to start. He's been better recently than

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I think anybody could have hoped.
But it's just those three guys, think

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of this. This team would be
in a much better spot, much better

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if Torkelsen, Canna and Urshela were
what you expected and to your earlier point,

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Sheep. That's where expectations can really
bite you. Yeah, it's okay

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to have had those expectations about Torkulsen. I had him that he hasn't lived

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up to it this year. The
other two guys never moved my needle.

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