WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:29.839 Simple questions for one hundred people. Welcome to the experiment. I'm Bill Correll, 2 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:34.600 and this is my investigation. I'm researching to gather data from one hundred 3 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.200 beautiful human beings for the sole purpose to see what actually happens across the interviews. 4 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:43.679 Now, the questions are all fixed and the interviews will remain consistent with 5 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:49.039 the variable being the actual participants themselves and the answers. So it's as if 6 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:52.960 I'm having you, Jason, come sit on my porch to share your thoughts 7 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:57.479 so that I can learn about people. Looking forward to what I'm going to 8 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.759 learn when we're done with this. But you know, pretty interested in the 9 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:07.200 folks and your particular story, so it's my distinct pleasure to well, hang 10 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.120 on. What is your full name? So this is this is a great 11 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:17.359 way of starting the interview. My full name is Jason Wendroff Ronicky. I 12 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:19.959 was born Jason Wendroff, but then when I got married to my wife, 13 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.920 I actually took her last name. So you both are hyphenated last names, 14 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:33.439 same hyphenated name. Yep. That's a that's a custom that got started back 15 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.000 in the olden days, you know, back when I was probably seventeen, 16 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:41.280 eighteen years old. So do you have a middle name. Stuart is my 17 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:45.640 middle name, all right, so your whole full name would be Jason, 18 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:51.319 Stuart Wendroff Ronicky. That's kind of interesting, And what do you know about 19 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:55.879 you know where those surnames came from. Well, I know, at least 20 00:01:55.920 --> 00:02:00.239 my first name came from my mother's father. His his name was Jacob, 21 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:05.920 so and that's my Hebrew name, Jacob. But my English name is a 22 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.560 variation on that. So that's where the Jason came from. Uh, the 23 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:13.199 Wendrofft part, well, Stuart, you know what, I'm not actually sure 24 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.159 where Stuart came from. The middle name Wendroff is from my dad's side, 25 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:22.919 which came from Russia, and the raw nicky part is from my wife's family, 26 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.759 who came from Poland. So it's like it's got this very interesting mix. 27 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:31.080 But you know of you know, Eastern European Jews, So that would 28 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:36.479 that would actually imply that there's some pretty interesting conversations going on at your home. 29 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.759 Yeah, that that is true. Every every family gathering, there's definitely 30 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:47.759 interesting conversations, for sure, I'm certain of that. So that's that's fascinating 31 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:53.080 and to move along with the with the questions, what's your favorite nickname that 32 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.599 most people don't know? Okay, so that's a good one. That's uh 33 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.599 I got in in college. It's a long one as well. It's called 34 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:07.080 I was called Pillsbury New Kid, and I'll have to explain about that. 35 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:12.759 So my freshman year of college, I had very long hair. It was 36 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:17.280 down on like my shoulders. Right between my freshman and sophomore year, I 37 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:23.199 got it cut and in the style of new kids on the block. So 38 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:28.439 one of my friends was like, hey, you look like a new kid 39 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:30.879 on the block. And then another one of my friends, I was much 40 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:35.680 heavier at that point, he said, yeah, but fat, like the 41 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.800 Pillsbury dough boy. So then that sort of got combined into Pillsbury New Kid. 42 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.199 That's fantastic. And has that stuck over the years or is that just 43 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.520 something that was kind of the past when you moved on to bigger and better 44 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:53.639 things. Well, in the group that sort of formulated it, it's sort 45 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:57.439 of stuck, but in you know, not many other people know about it 46 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:03.199 outside like that my sort of small college group. So yeah, it's always 47 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.319 good to have an in joke, right, Oh yeah, yeah, well, 48 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.639 and it also reminds me, like because of my own like health and 49 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.960 wellness journey, like, it just also reminds me how far I've come since 50 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:19.040 since since college. So good for you. That's that's that's wonderful to be 51 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:25.839 able to sit there and appreciate that some of us weigh a little bit more 52 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.040 than college. You definitely look like you're fitting in shape, So yeah, 53 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.519 it takes effort, though, it definitely takes effort. You. Good for 54 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:39.800 you. So when did you first notice what color hair you had? I'm 55 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:43.920 still working on that. It's gone through three shifts in my life, so 56 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.600 I know, I don't know if it's as noticeable if you're listening, but 57 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:53.240 I have like salting pepper hair, and so it's sort of changing from dark 58 00:04:53.319 --> 00:05:01.439 to white ish. When I was probably in high school and saw some baby 59 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:05.959 pictures of myself, my hair was like a dirty blonde. So my hair 60 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:11.959 has had this progression over my life where it went from dirty blonde to very 61 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:15.000 dark brown, almost black, and now it's like in the salt and pepper 62 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:20.439 phase, and I am very grateful that it's still there. So I and 63 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:26.240 there is a spot in the back which is a little thinning. So I 64 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:32.240 have a very lifelong relationship and watching the constantly changing colors of my hair. 65 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:40.920 Yeah. Yeah. The way that male pattern baldness hits different people as myriad 66 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:46.000 as you know, is what their facial expressions are. So ye, my 67 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.399 best friend for over forty five years, he had the same kind of thing 68 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:53.360 happening when I met him. There was just a spot in the backyear with 69 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.079 his comba over. He could have played a monk, you know, in 70 00:05:56.120 --> 00:06:01.240 the old Robinhood series. As time went on, they chased to the center, 71 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.720 and then he finally ended up shaving it all off about fifteen twenty years 72 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:10.519 ago. Yeah, my dad went like, he went pretty bald at a 73 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.920 fairly young age. So I'm happy to have what I got. So yeah, 74 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.800 So this next question, I think I'll be very interested in your answer, 75 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:20.680 But I just want to say, you come across, you know, 76 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:25.959 in our brief knowledge of each other, as somebody who's pretty on purpose in 77 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.079 the world. So what's your favorite thing to do to intentionally waste time? 78 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:38.279 So I have to say it's definitely television more currently there's a and actually I've 79 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:43.040 been looking at my behavior around that, around the intentionality of it, and 80 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.240 I need that time just to sort of for my mind, just to kind 81 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:50.959 of quiet itself down and focus on something else. So even though it's intentionally 82 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:56.560 wasting time, it's not really wasting time. But it's definitely television. I 83 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.800 grew up in the television generation. Right now, I'm kind of addicted to 84 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:06.199 this show called Pawn Stars. It's kind of like a modern day antique road 85 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:12.199 show, and I'm totally fascinated by all of the things that they bring in 86 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.879 with the history and that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's the Las Vegas, 87 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:23.920 you know, with Rick and Chumley, and yeah, you're just getting 88 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.079 started on it. I think there's a They have something like four or five 89 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.120 hundred episodes, so something stupid like that, and you'll never run out. 90 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:35.040 Okay, Yeah, over time, you'll start to have your favorites in terms 91 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:39.959 of who the guest appraisers are. And I love, yeah, I love 92 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.519 that they bring the same guys in for the certain things. I just think 93 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:47.800 it's fantastic. So yeah, well, so you know, leave it to 94 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:54.199 you to identify this downtime as being therapeutic in nature, and I think that 95 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:58.519 that's one of the things that our listeners, you know, can probably take 96 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:03.040 away from this that when you have to take some time out, you're still 97 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.240 mostly going to engage in some sort of thought process. And if it's something 98 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:13.399 that you know is both beeding you and recharging your battery along with some endorphins, 99 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:15.920 you know, then you know, by all means you know, have 100 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.839 a ball with it, own it, and you know, and carry it 101 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:20.759 with you with like a badge of courage, you know. And I think 102 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.040 though, as long as it's done like intentionally, like with that, like 103 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.600 okay, like you can get I can easily get lost, which I'm not 104 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.959 gonna, you know, say that everything is intentional, Right, I could 105 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.799 totally get lost on the social media and that kind of stuff. But then 106 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.320 like once I remember just to kind of bring myself back and be like, 107 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.759 okay, too much time, Let's go back to what I was doing, 108 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.879 I totally get it. And you know it's it's it's the noticing and becoming 109 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:54.279 mindfully aware of something where you were not present to how much time's gone by 110 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.440 or something like that gives you a chance to decide to continue or maybe let's 111 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.159 do something else, you know, that kind of deal. So this might 112 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:09.000 when what is your favorite movie to watch alone? Jason. Okay, So 113 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:15.559 I love the Saw series. Like they're very gory, they're really dark, 114 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.919 but I actually look at it in a very sort of yoga way, which 115 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.360 which people say, how do you always find like yo, because it's actually 116 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.960 kind of the almost the inverted yoga principles, right, like to you know, 117 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.279 we need to appreciate life, and in the Saw movies, you appreciate 118 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.679 life by by really coming face to face with death. It's gory, for 119 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:43.200 sure, it's a little disturbing at times, but I just love that idea. 120 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:48.440 I love that juxtaposition of, you know, putting someone in actual fear 121 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.759 of their own life to get them to live more fully. I love that. 122 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.480 I don't I mean, I'm kind of interpreting that as some sort of 123 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:05.039 a Shakespearean metaphor, uh, you know, representation of people getting cut up 124 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.320 with a saw. You know, yeah, I do think you're talking about 125 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.720 the Czech Texas chainsaw massacre and all of the subsequent ones after that. No, 126 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.279 no, no, no, no, there's a there's a specific horror 127 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.240 series called Saw, and and like the main villain is called Jigsaw, and 128 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:26.360 he creates a puzzle so that you either you either get out of whatever trap 129 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:33.080 he's provided for you, and you live or you or you die. Like 130 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.360 that's the that's more fascinating what I was interpreting. So thanks for explaining that. 131 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.879 And I think there's and I think there's about I forget how many moves. 132 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.320 I think there's about five or six of them out now. I think 133 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.600 they may be actually just are I think releasing a new one out pretty soon, 134 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:54.159 I think. But it's it's this really interesting series and and he creates 135 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.039 these elaborate like uh, puzzles, and that's why he's called Jigsaw, right. 136 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:03.440 Yeah, Well, my wife is probably up to speed on that because 137 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.559 she watches a lot of things that I don't. You know, I nail 138 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:09.039 out of Breaking Bad in the in the second and third season because I just 139 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.600 didn't see the point. It was just you know. And then the other 140 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.200 one that she does is she's got the walking Dead fear the walking Dead, 141 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.360 fear, the children of the Walking Dead's best friends for the grandchildren of the 142 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.480 Walking Dead, you know, all of that stuff, and apparently there's some 143 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:31.240 kind of you know, storyline that goes along with it. But it fascinates 144 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:39.440 her. And so I've now got a whole new realm and do some investigation. 145 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.200 Yeah, it is very gory, though I'm not gonna lie. It's 146 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:48.840 like it's like, you know, it's very gory. So along those lines, 147 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:50.879 do you have kids? No, I don't have children, all right, 148 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.360 so you don't have to send the children off to do something in their 149 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.879 rooms while you're no. But my wife, there's no way my wife would 150 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:03.120 even come close to even like, she does not do horror. She does 151 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.240 not do that kind of stuff. So you know, that's why that's why 152 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.799 it's my alone time. Well, if it's a secret, hopefully we can 153 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.279 keep it that way, just you and me and you know, ten thousand 154 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:22.039 of our closest friends. Right. Yeah, So this one I really want 155 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.600 to hear from you. If you were to have an action figure made of 156 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.840 you, Jason, what superpower would it have and what colors would its uniform 157 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.320 be? Yeah? So I thought about this, right, like about the 158 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:43.399 superpower because I'm I'm obsessed with flying, so I but it's so common, 159 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.360 it's such a common one for superheroes. I was like, what would be 160 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.240 the one? So it would definitely be flying. My superhero would definitely have 161 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.320 to fly. And then I was thinking of like something that's a little bit 162 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:01.600 less, you know, common and and I would say, if it were 163 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.360 actually to represent me, it would be really to be able to talk it 164 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.840 your way out of any awkward situation. So that would be the that would 165 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.519 be the superpower, because that's the superpower I possess. And so if it's 166 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.200 going to reflect me, like to really be able to talk yourself out of 167 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.159 some sticky situations. So to be clear on that, it would have nothing 168 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:28.759 to do with psychologically coercing someone without their complicity. It would be more about 169 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:35.039 using critical thinking and rationalization and making a good case such that you could bring 170 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.679 somebody else around to your way of thinking exactly. That's exactly right, right, 171 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.200 And the color of my uniform would be purple and gold for sure, 172 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:50.519 royal colors. I love it. Yep. So, now while you've got 173 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.440 these superpowers, you can not only fly, which gives you some range, 174 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.120 and then you've got this ability to be like, you know, the world's 175 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:03.000 best negotiated ye, how would you use that and and where would you see 176 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.559 the utility for it? Oh, I'd probably well, I would probably go 177 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.759 to the Middle East right now and kind of get that thing all sorted out, 178 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.879 because uh, that's been a that's been a hot bed for many, 179 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.600 many, many many years. And I you know, with my family, 180 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.799 my mom grew up in Israel and and knowing the situation a little bit, 181 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:30.159 you know, like it's that that thing needs to be to negotiated out pretty 182 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.559 well. So, yeah, that's what That's how I would do it. 183 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.559 That's where I would go without getting too deep in the weeds on that, 184 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.679 I completely agree with you. When people have stopped talking to each other, 185 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.080 that's when problems begin. As long as we're all still talking, then there's 186 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.840 some possibility yeap, ye know. And and it's like I see it always 187 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:54.120 like a like a sibling relationship, right, there's all there's there's fighting that 188 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:58.840 goes on, and and sometimes that fighting is not logical, it's all it's 189 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.080 all based on emotion. And so if we could, if we could kind 190 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.639 of bring some logic into the situation, I think that would really help things 191 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.679 out a lot. Yeah, what you're saying, Jason brings to mind the 192 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.320 hat feels and the McCoy's that for over one hundred years, all of the 193 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.279 offspring just carried for the hate, not knowing anybody in the other family, 194 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:24.879 and then finally they sat down and decided we've forgotten why what we started fighting 195 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.240 for, which became a real famous lyric. But the point is is that 196 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:35.159 at some point there is a historical, you know, kind of a hand 197 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.919 me down legacy that's not good for people. And it's certainly not good for 198 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.480 the people who mate well, and it doesn't represent most of the people. 199 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:48.080 It just represents a very very small, like ten percent on both sides of 200 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:54.480 the situation, and it's like it doesn't represent what really people want, like 201 00:15:54.080 --> 00:16:00.720 the normal everyday person. Right, You almost never win anything by punching somebody 202 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:06.240 in the nose, you know, if you want an outcome, it takes 203 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:10.159 a little bit, a little bit more courage and belief in yourself. And 204 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.840 I think that would be a totally appropriate you see your superpower? Thank you? 205 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.759 Yeah, well done. We just we just got a power pose. 206 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:26.480 So now now we're going to go deep into Sherman set the wayback machine to 207 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.840 when you were five years old, Jason, and what did you want to 208 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:37.320 be when you grew up? So I wanted to fix mirrors. Mirrors broke 209 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:42.320 and they needed someone to fix them. So that you would have called me 210 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:48.240 if you had a broken mirror so I wanted to be a mirror fixer when 211 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.799 I was about five years old. All right, so this is this is 212 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:56.639 interesting. We're going to stay here for a minute. And what would the 213 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.960 mirror look like after you broke it? I think everybody who's seen a broken 214 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.079 mirror sometime in their life recognizes that what you end up with is a bunch 215 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:10.240 of kind of odd shaped shards. And if you were to just glue them 216 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.400 back together, you still have odd shaped shards that are not giving you a 217 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:19.279 contiguous, smooth reflection. Yeah. But so when when I would be done 218 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:23.240 that, I would figure out a process to make that, like to meld 219 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:30.160 those shards together so you would still get that smooth reflection. Yeah, it 220 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.279 may. And maybe I have to rely maybe I should go back to my 221 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.359 superhero and create the superpower to be able to take that glass and make it 222 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.640 a continuous piece, right like, So then it would feed right into my 223 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:48.079 profession as a five year old. Well, there you go. And perhaps 224 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.680 your negotiating skills are not just bound to human beings, they're bound to things 225 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:59.519 as well. Yes, the glass and and and mirrors and reflective surfaces. 226 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.960 That tree has fallen off over there and we're going to put it back together 227 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:06.839 just by talking to it, you know, well, and it kind of 228 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.920 like it. It always makes me like, I know, my brain works 229 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.640 a little bit differently than other people some you know, some I know, 230 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.240 all of our brains work differently in some way. But like, I guess 231 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:23.119 I must have figured that I hadn't seen anyone actually fix a mirror, so 232 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.759 I was it was going to be me that was going to learn to do 233 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.960 that thing, like and maybe even to do the impossible. Right, Like, 234 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:36.640 so I had that drive as a kid. So you're you're now thinking 235 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:38.920 that it might have been a metaphor for something else. I'm kind of curious, 236 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.720 was there an event or something that occurred where now suddenly after that, 237 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.640 fixing mirrors seemed like it was really a good thing for you to get good 238 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:52.400 at. Well, I think that I probably saw a mirror being broken and 239 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.559 then it just being thrown away, and I'm like, well, why, 240 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.599 like why we can fix other things, why can't we fix this? Yeah? 241 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:06.480 Right, Yeah, there's an intrinsic value in things that even though they're 242 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:11.200 broken, maybe they deserve a second look, Maybe they deserve some you know, 243 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:14.880 some attention and some respect. Yeah, well, just like that Japanese 244 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.200 art where they take a broken piece of pottery and fit and put it back 245 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.880 together with gold. I always forget what that's called, but you know, 246 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:29.359 so that the fixed the fixed result is even more beautiful than it was before, 247 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:33.359 you know, before it broke powerful metaphor, it's really lovely as a 248 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:41.279 matter of fact. So that's really cool. And then that whole fixing broken 249 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:48.039 mirrors things turned into some other pursuits for you. Yes, absolutely, yes, 250 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:53.519 So what's your greatest accomplishment? Would you say? So? Right now? 251 00:19:53.559 --> 00:20:00.759 To date? My my greatest accomplishment is the I created a a bereave 252 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:07.279 siblings support group online and it's really within the last I think I did. 253 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:14.599 It started in twenty nineteen, and it's really being of service to people, 254 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:19.640 like just the community that has grown from that has been quite remarkable. And 255 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:26.279 so yeah, I think that would have to be my greatest accomplishment right now. 256 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:32.599 It sounds to me like something that's probably gonna compel you for the rest 257 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.440 of your born days. Yeah, it actually, yes, so it starts 258 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:40.039 it right like, and it's what really, Yeah, it gave me drive, 259 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:44.720 it's giving me passion. It's really what my you know what I came 260 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:48.880 here to do, and I thought it for so many years. I definitely 261 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.519 did, but then I just started to get out of my own way and 262 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:59.079 kind of go with the calling that was in my heart and so like a 263 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.720 little bit by little bit, Uh, it's it's it's really pulling me, 264 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.680 you know, it's pulling me in that direction. Yeah. Yeah, So 265 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.400 along those lines, what do you think the future enhancements to that are going 266 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.319 to be. Is it going to be increasing the numbers of people that you 267 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.039 can reach or are there some other things that are that you now know that 268 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.119 that need to happen and you're going to have to develop yourself to do it. 269 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.640 Well. Yeah, so that's what's sort of yes. So the answer 270 00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:30.359 is yes, more more meetings, like not run by all by me, 271 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.000 but like having like a team of people running meetings. I'll have a small 272 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.559 team right now, which is awesome. Uh, there's I have I run 273 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.440 one meeting a week, but we have about on two about we have two 274 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.920 regular meetings every week, and then we have a bunch of monthly and by 275 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:52.559 monthly meetings. So there's about eight or nine meetings on the schedule throughout the 276 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.519 month, not just talking and sharing with peer support. But also we have 277 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:02.440 an art, we have a writing, we have grief specific We have a 278 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:07.599 suicide because we know how much how prevalent suicide is becoming. I know that's 279 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.920 one of your passions too. We have one where a sibling died from suicide. 280 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:18.039 We have that once a month. Yeah, and then we have a 281 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:22.759 relationship one so a sibling with with this partner, so that this way to 282 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.799 negotiate grief in relationship with one another. So you know, I want to 283 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:34.519 actually see that grow more to include include addiction and including cancer and some other 284 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:40.640 things. But what I'm realizing too is that we need a resource page that's 285 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:45.359 like a fluid resource page that people can kind of go to to get books, 286 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.400 and you know, there's grief jewelry, there's all kinds of stuff that 287 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:52.720 we talk about all the time, and then there should be there should be 288 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.000 a hub for that. So that's but it then needs money to be able 289 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.279 to support all this stuff. So which is why I sort of have made 290 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:06.240 it my professional journey to move into the grief world so that this way that 291 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:11.799 like everything can support one another. I think it's I think it's well blought 292 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:17.079 out and I really, I'm looking forward to seeing how this is all going 293 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:21.119 to come together for you and for the world. You know, me too, 294 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:26.039 me too. So who would you say Jason is your favorite person to 295 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:32.359 listen to? So yeah, right, and that changes for sure. Currently 296 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:34.000 right now, I've been doing a lot of work, a lot of work 297 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:40.319 with Tony Robbins and for my own personal development to get myself to the next 298 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:45.599 level so that I can be of service to more people. So he's definitely 299 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:49.079 been an inspiration. He's the one that I think. He has really good 300 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:56.880 strategies that have helped me to move it from peer support to professional and now 301 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:03.640 towards business growth. So right, so that this way, the better I 302 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:06.440 become, the more people I can serve, and the more people I can 303 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.240 help. But that's interesting. Are you going back to the nineteen eighties and 304 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:17.759 nineties Tony Robbins stuff or are you working with him these days currently? Currently? 305 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:22.119 Yeah, I'm part of his community right now, I've been we just 306 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:26.000 my wife and I just took a full year last year and we did his 307 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:32.200 university, his Mastery University, which you know, which covers a bunch of 308 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:37.559 his different programs including Wealth Mastery, Life Mastery, up w Unleash the Power 309 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.799 Within and date with Destiny. And we're still involved. My wife has been 310 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:48.440 doing some assisting for his programs, so we're staying in, staying really involved, 311 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:53.599 and you know, looking at my inner circle. I pulled some of 312 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:59.680 the people from those programs into my inner circle so that this way, you 313 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.799 know, we keep talking the same language. That's wonderful. So I'm old 314 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.559 cool. I knew Unleash the Power of in when it was giant, you 315 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:08.799 know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, 316 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:15.240 and so getting his voice into your head is not something that's easy to get 317 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.039 out. Oh no, yeah. Well, and you and I off camera 318 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.519 we talked about like getting results right and doing the things that get results. 319 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:29.279 And I love how results focused he is. And it's not like this woo 320 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:34.319 woo, it's like really implementable strategies and I'm seeing the results in my life. 321 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:38.759 So you know, you know, well, using another technology to kind 322 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.680 of explain, you know, language comes in two kinds of flavors, and 323 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.400 there's a lot more, but there's at least two kinds. The first one 324 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.680 is talking about something where there's absolutely no chance you're going to make a difference 325 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:55.440 with it, and then they're speaking for something where you're causing something to come 326 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.279 into existence, you know, with the power of your language. You know, 327 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.119 very very, very different. And I think I think that's one of 328 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.359 the you know, working with Brian Tracy and some of the other things that 329 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.720 he did, you know, in the early days and the sales training and 330 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.720 all of that really made the personal development side a wide open thing for him. 331 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:21.200 And he realized that just speaking to people and having them get his CDs 332 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:25.480 and hearing each one and working on their you know, having some way to 333 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:30.599 kind of affect a state change when they wanted to or to be able to 334 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.720 go to a place where well, again, you know, it's a favorite 335 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.519 person to listen to and you don't even have to be listening to any media 336 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.319 in order to hear his voice. Well, and you know what you said 337 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.680 this and that's the state change thing is what really sort of triggered me, 338 00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:51.720 because you know, I'm a yoga instructor and we're taught to be like, 339 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:53.839 you know, not high, not low, but right in the middle. 340 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:59.240 But when you're looking for success and when you're looking to push yourself to the 341 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:03.799 next level, you need to be you need to be able to activate that 342 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.160 that that peak state, or that beautiful state, or however you want to 343 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.400 language it, right, because we need that energy, We need that drive 344 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.319 to bring us forward. We you know, sometimes we need to take massive, 345 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:19.759 massive action and from a place of energy, not as a place of 346 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:23.680 calm and serenity, right, Like, we need to push ourselves a little 347 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:30.319 bit at times. And the ability to navigate between those for me was a 348 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:36.240 total game changer. Right. I love it. And that's neither here nor 349 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:37.839 there, but I you know, every once in a while I have to 350 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:44.480 let that out. Yeah, yeah, so please complete this sentence, Jason. 351 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.119 When I grow up, I'd like to still be a kid. I 352 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:56.599 have a very childlike, not not child ish, childlike heart. I always 353 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.200 want to be a kid. I always want to play like a kid. 354 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.960 I always want to see the world as a kid. I always want to 355 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.640 do that. So even as I adult, I still want to look at 356 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:17.400 the world with childlike eyes. Yeah. The h being willing to experience wonder 357 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:22.880 on a daily basis really does keep us in that youthful kind of inquisitive, 358 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.359 curious sort of state. Yeah yeah, and asking why, like why does 359 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.160 this happen? Why does that happen? You know? We get into our 360 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.759 own patterns, and if we ask those why questions like you know, why 361 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.119 why am I doing this? Why is it? You know? Why is 362 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.640 the sky blue? All of those childlike questions, right Like, we have 363 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:45.160 to keep going back to that so that we don't settle into, you know, 364 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.519 to these belief systems that don't serve us. Absolutely when things start looking 365 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.759 the same and we look to elsewhere, you know, for some sort of 366 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.799 a catalyst to get out of it, we don't really realize we carry that 367 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:02.240 with us every place we go, any moment at any time, and when 368 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.880 we start answering questions the same way every single time, it might be one 369 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:10.200 of those times when maybe some new questions are called for. Yeah, yeah, 370 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:14.640 and the better, better quality questions, right always a better question for 371 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:22.039 sure. So that's that's great. And is there any other kind of like 372 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:30.519 a representation or a manifestation of your youthfulness and having a childlike a mind in 373 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.480 terms of experiencing things that you can point to? Well, first of all, 374 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.240 like, I mean, longevity is like super important to me, like 375 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.839 because I want my body to be able to match my childhood spirit, right 376 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.759 Like, so if I want to go hiking or walking or like this morning 377 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.119 I went biking and just and having fun with those kinds of things. You 378 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.240 need to have a vehicle in which you know you're not it doesn't stop you 379 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:02.720 from doing those things. So longevity is really been a focus of mine in 380 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:07.279 my own personal life because this way I can keep doing those things with you 381 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:12.799 know, running and you know, playing without pain in the body. And 382 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:17.039 so you know, where everyone says, oh, you're gonna you know, 383 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.319 break down as you get older, I'm actually the opposite way. I'm actually 384 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.319 getting younger as I'm getting older physically. So that that's been a real big 385 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:32.640 focus of mine over there. There's been irrefutable studies done all around the world 386 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.319 that that's just not true. It's just being sedentary that causes you to break 387 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.799 down. It Ye, being active is what allows you, you know to 388 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.519 have a more wonderful experience as you as you age, with a lot less 389 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.519 experience of pain. Yep. And like if you looked at me, like 390 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.440 it's going back to my pills very new kid days, right, Like I 391 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:59.119 am like one hundred times more active I was even you know growing up, 392 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.240 you know, doing all kinds of stuff. So and as I said, 393 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.400 like changing that belief around getting you know, breaking down as you get older. 394 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.880 You know, I didn't want that to be my reality, and it's 395 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:17.400 not my reality, so you know, it's pretty cool. Yeah, that's 396 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.759 that's one of the neat things where you and I get to choose what we're 397 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:26.599 going to do, where most most people unfortunately don't feel like they have that 398 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:32.119 choice, mostly because they have never stopped and really questioned it. And yes, 399 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.640 so I think that's a great thing. So with that said, what's 400 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:40.559 the most important thing in life to you right now? Jason? I would 401 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.240 have to say, you know, I would have to say longevity. That's 402 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:48.319 that's the real thing that's really important to me personally. And then and then 403 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.079 it's talking about my grief story. Is those two kind of sort of go 404 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.319 hand in hand because you know, I am a bereef sibling. I lost 405 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:02.119 my sister Lauren in nineteen ninety eight, and so many bereef siblings feel like 406 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:07.359 they're forgotten mourners because they're keeping it all to themselves and because they're keeping it 407 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.680 all inside. And so I wanted to I want to be the model of 408 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.279 Okay, I'm going to tell my story. I'm going to go out there 409 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.799 and let people know who I am, let people know about the bereave sibling 410 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.440 experience, because most people are just not aware. They mean well, but 411 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:30.920 some of the things that they say are very, very isolating and a little 412 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:36.799 hurtful at times. So I want to make sure that my story gets out 413 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.160 there, which is one of the reasons why one why we connected, and 414 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:45.359 to kind of why I'm doing all kinds of different podcasts, all shapes and 415 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.200 forms so that people who are not even in the grief world get to hear 416 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:54.279 my story. So that's kind of cool, how you language that everyone's in 417 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.519 the grief world, but there are many of us who had to learn that. 418 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.039 There are conversations out how to deal with it and keep your sanity and 419 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.119 keep your vitality and self expression, you know, right right right. I 420 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:13.240 really like that whole part of it. And how many siblings do you have, 421 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.400 Well, I just have the one that passed in ninety eight, and 422 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:20.680 so now it's it's me. Yeah, yeah, so that's a huge missing 423 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.000 for you, you know, there's no doubt about it. And I'm looking 424 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.799 at reading that. Yeah, and as my parents start to get older and 425 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.960 you know, that kind of stuff, like you know, it would have 426 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.039 been the two of us, but now it's you know, it's just me 427 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.720 and you know, and then that puts a little bit more weight or burden 428 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:43.160 on my shoulders, you know, as they continue to age. So sure, 429 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.759 so what would you like to leave in the world after your life is 430 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:53.640 all done? Yeah, I'm going going to go back to this really beautiful, 431 00:33:53.680 --> 00:34:00.400 like vibrant, you know, bereave sibling community where everyone feels included, 432 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:06.000 no one feels alone, uh, and people can deal with their with their 433 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:10.960 grief in a very open, expansive way. That that's sort of like you 434 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.960 know, talk about like once I realize my purpose, right Like, that's 435 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:21.000 what I want to leave behind that, you know, that online community where 436 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.360 and it's not just it right now. I mean, right now I'm just 437 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.119 focusing on the US and Canada, but it's really a global thing, and 438 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.519 I would love to see a global community kind of pulled together because I know 439 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.840 in other countries the sibling resources, the berief sibling resources are so few and 440 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:44.360 far between that that it needs to globalize. So that's you know, I 441 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.679 don't know how that's going to happen quite yet, but that's that's the that's 442 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.320 kind of the legacy I would love to leave. I definitely can see the 443 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.880 path for that that occurring and not in the distance distant future. Yeah yeah, 444 00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:05.000 yeah. A. So I go to a baker and whenever I buy 445 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:09.280 twelve of something, he or she, depending on who's behind the counter, 446 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.960 always gives me a thirteenth. It's rolls, it's cupcakes, it's you know 447 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:19.519 whatever. So I got a baker's question for you. You got what is 448 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:27.039 the thing most people misunderstand about you? Jason? So because I am high 449 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:35.639 energy and I'm generally happy most of the time, I think people think that 450 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:42.519 I don't get sad or I have a problem with being sad or upset or 451 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:47.639 well, not upset but more sad because because I do, I am very 452 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.079 energetic, and but I can also be quiet too, Like I can also 453 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:58.679 sit in meditation, so that sort of sadness and quiet space I can go. 454 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.800 I can go to. Justice is easily. Uh I make a conscious 455 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.480 effort to try to change and shift it. But there are things that I 456 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.400 could I definitely struggle with and I need to take some time to just to 457 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:17.239 reflect on in a quiet way. Interesting. So uh So that's that's wonderful. 458 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:22.719 And I've got Is there anything else that you want to talk about today, 459 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.719 like how people can get in touch with you. You've mentioned some really 460 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:34.199 great outreaches in terms of sibling sibling UH support groups, brief groups. Yeah, 461 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.880 I made it super simple, like I'm on Also, I'm on social 462 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:40.320 media platforms. I'm I'm on Facebook, I'm on TikTok, I'm on Instagram. 463 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.079 So those are the three that I kind of really focus on. Uh. 464 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.880 You can connect with all my social media and even get on my newsletter 465 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:53.559 at Somatic Grief Therapy dot com. Uh. That's Somatic Grief Therapy all one 466 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:58.599 word dot com uh, and and it has all of my stuff there. 467 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:04.599 You can you can access the free siblings support uh peer support groups UH. 468 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.280 Through that through my website, you can book if you're interested in talking more 469 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:13.159 about what Somatic Grief Therapy is, which is really just a body centered way 470 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:19.000 of looking at grief because longevity is such an important part of me and what 471 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.280 I do. I always start with the body and keeping the body vital so 472 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.320 that this way our mind works better and we can we can ask those hard 473 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.440 questions but from a place of power and strength, and so you can you 474 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.960 know, if you're interested in learning more, you can book a call right 475 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.360 from my website, so Somatic Grief Therapy dot com. Perfect. Now, 476 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:45.880 do you have any questions of me? No, I don't think. Hmm, 477 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:52.000 that's a good one. That's a good question. Yeah. So yeah, 478 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.039 let's uh, can we take a minute and how how we met? 479 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.880 Right? Like? Can we share how we met? Is that okay? 480 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.480 Yeah? Right? So how did we meet? Bill? So? I 481 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:10.320 met you through a person that I met in the fall who also has been 482 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:17.239 on this podcast, Kate Mollison, and she introduced me to Sam Ruth, 483 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:23.239 who has also been on this podcast. And you know, I more or 484 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:29.159 less had a really tough time in the last two and a half years, 485 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:34.679 losing twenty five relatives and loved ones and not having a clue how to deal 486 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.719 with it personally, because you know, as a business owner and a leader 487 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:43.199 in the community and someone who coaches groups of people, companies and all that, 488 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.039 I'm supposed to know how to you know, powerfully navigate through the worst 489 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:52.480 things in life and reduce the amount of time that that's affecting, you know, 490 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:59.119 my effectiveness overall. So we jumped on a call and where each of 491 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:05.079 us are writing a a chapter about our particular story. I think that's now 492 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:09.239 going back a couple of months ago. We've completed our chapters and they're in 493 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:14.639 production to go to the editor for putting the book together, which is going 494 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.760 to come out in December. And I have to tell you, I feel 495 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:23.039 a little bit like that's domain where I'm a little over my head with regard 496 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.519 to other people that have been involved with the Grief conversation for a while, 497 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.559 because I think most of the folks, it seems to me that they're in 498 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.360 some kind of a practice where they've already decided to turn their life over to 499 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.239 helping other people and make that a living. You know, you are one 500 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.639 of them. And you also come to me by way of one of my 501 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.440 most favorite people in the entire planet that I get to talk with once a 502 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:57.960 week pretty much unless there's some kind of a religious holiday going on for eight 503 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:06.039 days during Passover, Jane jeremiahs. She is this wonderful. We're so different, 504 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.599 I mean, completely opposites in so many different ways, and I think 505 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:15.840 our love for each other comes through, and that's kind of how we met. 506 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.840 You're a friend of chance as well. Yeah, and just so you 507 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.920 know, Bill, You're not over your head, right, You're like, 508 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.760 like, I think what And that's what happens is with especially in the grief 509 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:29.119 space, right like people think, oh, this person has, you know, 510 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.840 more experience than I do with an m over. But everyone does it 511 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:38.559 differently. Everyone does grief differently, and we have to acknowledge that everyone starts 512 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:45.000 somewhere and it's you're exactly where you need to be and you can never do 513 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.000 it wrong because you know you're a unique individual with your own unique thoughts and 514 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.440 with your own unique emotions that you bring to the table. So the way 515 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:59.079 you do it absolutely the way it works for you. So yeah, how 516 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.880 I'm doing it right now now is learning how to speak less and listen more, 517 00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.360 simply because there are things about about people and their relationships with each other 518 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.760 that are not a parent and they're they're very important and so I want to 519 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.960 honor that and it's it's it's a complete pleasure to spend time with you, 520 00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:21.440 Jason. After having been on a couple of Zoom calls over the last month 521 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.920 and a half, and I've been I've been wanting to I've been wanting to 522 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.559 make the connection for a while. But like you know, as I said, 523 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.039 like you know, divine timing, right, divine timing. Now is 524 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.880 the time yep. And as Paul Masian said, no wine before it's time, 525 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.639 yep, exactly. That's one hundred percent right. You can't rush it. 526 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.280 It's got to be got to be right. Well, in terms of 527 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.480 wrapping up, Jason, is there anything else that you'd like to say, 528 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:52.559 or any kind of closing comments or anything. Yeah. I always love to 529 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.760 end with some sort of like I mean, and after talking with you a 530 00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.960 little bit before our call, right, like ending with some sort of action. 531 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.119 So because we can't leave that place of inspiration without some sort of action 532 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.880 to be taken. So what I want everybody that's listening to do is just 533 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:14.239 to take about three deep breaths just to kind of get grounded right and just 534 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.679 take and I'm going to do it too, but take three deep breaths, 535 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:40.119 breathing in and out through the nose. Yeah. Thank you so much Bill 536 00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:46.119 for having me here. It was the pleasure was all mine, perfect and 537 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:52.000 you can claim as much pleasure as you like. But it's been a good 538 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.880 way to spend a Thursday morning for me as well. So in the meantime, 539 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.440 ladies and gentlemen, Simple Questions for one hundred people. I think this 540 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.840 is going to be either episode thirty nine or forty. And with that in 541 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:12.000 mind, I leave you with the same in treatment that I have for the 542 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.239 last couple of months, and that is there are people in your life that'll 543 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.480 make a difference for if you reach out to them and you just send them 544 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.480 a text message, you know, a telephone call, an email, a 545 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.480 post on Facebook. Let them know that your world is better because they are 546 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.440 in it. And if they ever need a friend, they've got at least 547 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.800 one, and that's you, and they should call you. So with that 548 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:37.960 said, God bless all of you. I love every last one of you, 549 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:43.119 especially those that I haven't met yet. Have the best day ever. 550 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.800 And Jason, thank you again, my friend. Thank you very much. 551 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:52.639 Bill. You're very welcome. By y'all. You've been listening to Simple Questions 552 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:58.119 for one hundred People, part of the X Audio podcast Network. You can 553 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.440 find every episode at X dot com, slash Podcasts, the Apple podcast app, 554 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.679 Google Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, and wherever you find podcasts.