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in the UK and around the world. There are more than a thousand musical
records made around the world every month. Nine of them are flops, but
ten percent are not. These are called hit songs, and how they're made
is one of the most closely guarded secrets in the entertainment business today. Join
us now as Mac and the gang take a deep dive into the strange world
of hit music and people who make it. This is Mac Maloney's Musical X
Files and now here's Mac. Good evening. I'm looking Mac Maloney's musical X
Files here on the Distant Thunder Radia Network. This is what a show we
have for you tonight, special all music show. Let me introduce the members
of the Posse Girls. He's here. Sit yourselves down, get your big
box of cleenics, your big box of wipes, squeezing you loub Do we
do this on the music shows? God yeah, we do, okay,
because he's here across the puddle, the very famous one. One. I'm
here, Mac. Thank you for letting me be on the show. I
know I'm a regular guest, but we'll not a guest. I'm so part
of the show, but sometimes I feel like I'm a guest because you make
me seem so special. I'm here, you know, every week, and
you don't take me for granted at all. How come we be across the
pond. I loving every minute of everything I do here, and it's just
a delight. It's a pleasure, is all mine, and I really appreciate
it. I'm thinking about it for years now. Really, how long have
I been on the show? Ten years we've been it's almost I think it's
eight years. Eight years. It's crazy. Yeah, it didn't seem like
that lot. No, not one, because I haven't so much fun.
That's why I have so much fun. And I appreciate the carts and letters
that come in from the ladies not so much lately though. She's kind of
tailed off. We've been to hold them. We've been holding them. They
have to be submerged for thirty days, remember that. Okay, So anyway,
thank you wing one for being here. Also, you're welcome in the
studio. In the house, we talk about her a lot, but she
doesn't come on the yea very often. There's very lovely Lois Lane Lois.
Hi, everyone, it's nice to be here. Okay, hello, Lewis,
I know you, I'm great, Thank you, feeling good. That's
good. Excited about listening to all of you talk about music while I just
well, you know, you know as much as weeder, then okay,
we're not gonna get into it. I want to paint even close to true.
Somebody just talked about what was that band that never heard of them,
never heard the song, and he went on and on about it and thought
they were going into the rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and I had
never even heard of them, So maybe the Canadian rock and roll I'm just
like that. If I want to paint the picture tonight, Lois looks like
the Pecuy librarian with the thing a picture that yeah, that's not even I'd
be happy to pay on the rights. I'm just saying, okay. Also
with us, now there's a cop in the room, so watch it.
Also with us is a good friend, Bruce Vogel down there in New York
City. Bruce, how you doing. I'm doing good. Mac, big
music fan, met John Lennon a couple of times, Big beatle fan,
and you were rum on the NYPD. How long twenty one years. I
actually retired about six months after nine to eleven. Mm hmmm, So how
many people did you shoot those twenty one yeares? Thankfully zero? Yeah,
well okay, yeah you told me that ones that how many times did you
even pull out your gun? You'd pull it up, but you do it
to hit people, right, Oh, pulling out the gun was was a
pretty uh, pretty common thing. I you know, worked in Bedsty and
Brownsville in East New York and the Bronx, so you know that was that
was fairly common. But uh, I think it's a bit of a misconception
that you know, cops, you know, every copy shot somebody. That's
just that's just not the case, thankfully. Also, have you ever been
shot? I am not sure that heard shots fired many many times, came
very very close to shooting somebody and thankfully didn't have to locked them up.
And uh, I think I told you that story, Brian. I didn't
want to take up too much time. We were doing a four to twelve
and my partner and I were driving into the station house the end of the
tour and there's this guy in the middle of the street flagging us down.
We were like, oh, crap, and yeah, what happened, buddy?
He said, Oh, somebody just stole my car. Dollar cabs were
big back in the day because Yellow Cat wouldn't go into these areas in Brooklyn,
but people would drive their own car. They were run licensed livery drivers
and for a dollar they would take you, you know, a mile or
so. So this guy stole his car at gunpoint. Long story short,
we found the guy driving down the street. We were in a short pursuit.
We chased them, and he did have a gun in his pocket.
He was reaching for it. My partner and I had our guns drawing on
him, and we moved in on them, and we were, you know,
luckily enough we were able to you know, you know, grab them
and lock them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh exciting. You
know, I've read your stories. I can't imagine doing any of it,
but you know I couldn't either, but you did. That's also a lot
of funny stories from the amazing job. I don't know how you do it.
Also thanks also with us. Is Matt Malley our friend, Matt Malley,
our pal? How is it? Because I mispronounced Matt's name for ten
years before I finally realized I was staying around. He's just too polite to
correct exactly. So nice Matt Malley out there in California. How are you,
Matt double m I'm good at what's in a name? Anyway? It's
just a label, you know, right, Matt as uh listeners regular listeners
knows. So is this a label without the use by date? They very
good one one. Matt played fourteen years. Matt played for fourteen years in
the Counting Crows, big rock band. And he's a recovering rock star,
all right, Matt, Yes, yes, on recovery. Look at my
wounds. That's funny. So and you live in someone's It was fairly famous,
at least in the music world. You bought this house. And that
was the engineer from Michael Jackson, right, yeah, a fellow he died
a few years ago named Bruce Swedeen. And Bruce engineered the Michael Jackson records.
I think he produced a couple of Michael Jackson records. But he was
Jones's engineer. So when Quincy Jones would do a recording session, Bruce was
his man. He worked with Quincy Jones. Sorry, he went with Jones.
Oh yeah, he was this engineering that's amazing. Yeah yeah, incredible,
definitely maybe my favorite producer. Maybe just incredible town. Yeah yeah,
we used to hear his. Trevor hasn't decided what his last name is yet.
It's a label, nothing else, Trevor. How you do anyway?
Well, I've got to tell you first, thank you for having me in
the show. I love being on the show. I love listening to the
show. So thank you. I got to tell you. And this is
totally sincere, not a joke. I think I think the mean Tanner Martin
which we came up with the last time I was on the show. I
seriously think that might be the one. Oh really, yes, okay,
but that was Tanner Martin. Really, yeah, Tanner Martin, that's the
one that we came up with. It's not working for you. Well,
it sounds like a picture in the minor leagues or something. And I don't
know if you can tell I'm a little melancholy today. It's I got some
unfortunate news. I was I was fired at Fleshlight. I was fired.
Didn't they don't my performance, no pun intended, wasn't up to park and
moving on to the pastures. I'll let you guys know what the next business
adventure is but I was fired for the fresh light, so I'd like to
pull all support from them. Let's what's very caught then to us and all
of the matinalone in minions and uh and and throw away and burning all your
flash fresh lights. Let me let me just say something. Dream thinks you've
been really fired from your job, I mean, Lois does. So I'll
explain it to when we think commercial, let's let's let's play it wrong and
and see how long she goes with us. Anyway, Now now I'm in
the position where I have to explain what a flash light is to her.
Okay, and this is this was the entire point of me, Thank you
very much. So anyway, we're kind of talking about music tonight. We're
gonna be talking about music. Musical. We like music, we don't like.
Bruskee has met drom Lennon a couple of times. You know, we'd
like to hear those stories. But we're going to stand it off with some
rock and roll trivia. Okay, is that right? Lois? I think
we are. Can you read that or should I do it? Let me
do it? And you'd like to read it, but I'm you play it
long, sure I can. Okay, you'll be one of the plays.
Yeah, okay, even though I should know how to decipher my writing.
Yeah no, it's yeah, okay, here we sorry. All right,
So here we go. I guess this is a I wrote this about two
months ago. Can you read it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
okay, here we go. Let's see who's the highest band? Who's
the highest paid performer at Woodstock? Who is the highest paid performer at Woodstock?
They got eighteen thousand dollars? Okay, this is a this is a
multiple choice. Okay, the Who? Jeffson Airplane, Jimmy Hendrix, Santana.
It was the highest paid performance, got eighteen thousand dollars. Not bad
backing. Let's see, well, just I don't know, Bruce, start
with you. I thought the Who before you even gave the multiple choice.
Okay, what do you say, Matt? Yeah there, can you hear
me? Yeah? Yeah, I put in a headphones. Yeah, the
Who? Because they came from overseas, so it's going to be the Who.
Trevor Santana, Wannie. Yeah, I'm thinking of Santana. That's funny.
That's what I was thinking too. But that's all I can say.
You're all wrong. Oh, whoa, whoa. Actually, I was going
to say nobody, because nobody got paid. That was my other guest,
Jimmy Hendrix. Jimmy Hendrix could paid eighteen thousand dollars. Yeah. Oh,
I thought he'd got discovered there. I didn't know he was. He was,
he was around before then did he close the show? No, he's
played in the middle of the night. Hm hmm. Yeah, that's that's
kind of surprising. Yeah, okay, here we go. Question number two.
What band besides the Beatles has the longest running fan club? Okay,
what band beside the Beatles besides the Beatles have the longest running fan club?
The Rolling Stones, led Zeppelin, the Hollies are Queen, longest running,
longest running fan club. It's still around the Stones, led Zeppelin, Hollies
are Queen. See. I would have thought it was the Monkeys, because
I know they still have their official fan club, their original fan club going
the Monkeys, the Monkeys, Yeah, but they're not on the young Ones.
I think I have a friend that's that's, you know, a subscriber
to it. I'm the all dead Okay, I think so one one,
what do you say, longest friending fan club next to the Bills, the
Stones Lowess. So I would have said the Stones because they've been around so
long, but I thought, I don't know the Hollies for some reason.
Okay, Brose, I think the obvious choice is the Stones, but I'm
gonna have to go with Lowess. Say the Hollies, Matt, Yeah,
me too, the Hollies because they've been around a long time too, Trevor,
and you're saying the Monkeys, what you say, I'm I'm going with
them joining here the Hollies. I yeah, that one makes sense to me.
Okay, don't listen to me anybody. Well, yeah, that's good
advice, because you're all wrong. You're all wrong again. It's Queen Queen
Goodness, hey, Matt, because that was in a Queen tribute band that
two years ago. Yeah, a couple of years ago. I went out
for like nine months playing Queen music. It was awesome. It was unbelievable.
We saw him twice. We saw him in Boston at the Shuba Theater,
which was a nice, nice there was not a rowdy crowd. But
man, when we saw you at Hampton, that was unbelievable. That was
both shows. I told everybody I knew about it because they just I mean,
I don't know, there was something about them magical. Everyone was so
into it and the music it was nuts. Oh, it was everybody moving,
every single one. You saw him, right, you saw right?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that was great. Who plays Freddy Mercury?
And when we met backstage before the first show, we're going him, you
know, and then he comes out and he is Freddy Mercury from the second
he hits the stage, every movement, every move but but but engaging with
the audience too. You know. A lot of it was really those It's
really a couple of really cool clowns. That's mat. Those really fun.
Thanks. Yeah, thanks for coming to see us. It was awesome.
Yeah, you're having a good time. My favorite Queen album and Being Dead
series. Did you play anything from the Flash Gordon soundtrack? It's underrated?
I really do, Uh huh, I don't think so. And we did
use the Flash the original recordings to cut to the prese hit the stage.
It was the music before we'd come on stage. Yeah. Yeah. They
even coordinated a light the light show with the with that main track that was
kind of the hit. Uh No, but I'm sad to say. I
don't think we played anything from that record. Lile. Yeah, I have
an original print on vinyl. I love that album. Yeah, awesome.
That's a great record, isn't it. I mean, you know, I
think they're not underrated at all. You know, there's a there's a three
Hold documentary I saw once on Queen. It's fascinating because their career roller coasted
like you wouldn't believe. Okay, and the guy, the bass player pulled
him out of the depths twice. He came up with that bum bad you
know he did that? Is that it? Or? And then crazy little
thing called love? They had, they had nothing going and that clown came
out and boomed. They're big again. They're playing stadiums. Really interesting,
really interesting. Wow, Okay, I didn't know that. Here we go.
What famous singer and performer recorded more than six hundred sons with zero writing
credits? Okay, what famous singer slash performer recorded more than six hundred signs
with zero writing credits? Really? Elvis, Frankie Dino or Elmo? Okay,
forgot all right? What famous singing performer recorded more than six hundred sogns
with zero writing credits? In other words, every other every song he sang
was written by someone else, right, Elvis, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin,
Elmo, oh my gosh, let's talk with you. You haven't gone
a long time money Els. Okay, Matt says Elvis. Go ahead,
Trevor, we'll go this way. Elvis. I just saw the movie Priscilla,
and I think from what I saw that, I think it's Elvis as
well. One one Frank Sinatra, M gross, Elvis, thank you very
much. Wonas he recorded but didn't write the songs. That's what we're saying.
I'm going to say. Dean Martin, M Okay, well, you're
not all wrong this time. It's Elvis. Elvis recorded six songs. But
what they say that they what he what they used to do. And you
know, I guess when he was at the height of his powers is someone
would come in, they'd have a song for all of us, right,
and so he say okay. But then he'd take half writing writing credit,
you know, even though he didn't write the song, just got half writing
credit just for recording the song, which I suppose if you're the guy who
wrote the sign and say why not, you know what I mean? Elvis
is gonna obviously have a hit with this thing, So I don't know.
M hmm. Okay, And what I need my snare drum? Can you?
Can you tap dancers? Saying no, Lois, I'll get it top
dance. Why didn't you desposit? Give me a little traveling music that Now
everything feels right here we go? Okay. Of these four Rolling Stone albums,
which was the first without Bill Wyman, Okay, of these four Rolling
Stone albums, which was the first without Bill Wyman, Dirty Work, Voodoo
Lounge, A Big a Bang, Hackney Diamonds. Okay, Dirty Dirty Work,
Voodoo Lounge A bigger Bang, Hackney Diamonds, first one they did without
Bill Wyman. One, We'll go to you whatever one says. I agree.
I am saying that too, Matt. Without Bill Wyman, I think
Hackney Diamonds. Okay, Lois, I'm gonna say the Voodoo one because I
have no I'm just gonna go with one because I have no idea. Okay,
Bruce Well, Hackey Diamonds just came out. Isn't that their latest?
Yes, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Voodoo Lounge, Okay,
Matt Well you know Voodoo Lounge was the Counting Crows actually toured a little bit
with them during Voodoo Lounge. And that was the mid nineties. That was
more than ten years after why I'm and left. So it's probably not Hackney
Diamonds and it's not Voodoo Lounge. What were the other two choices? Dirty
work, bang and a bigger bang? What is it against dirty work and
a bigger bang? Dirty work? Okay, travel I have no idea,
so I'm just going with Voodoo Lounge. Wow, we got everyone? Yeah,
it is Voodoo Lounge. Oh that because it was fun to say exactly.
There's a joke in there somewhere that I'm not going to get it.
Okay, here we go. Ready. How many drummers have played for ac
DC? Oh? Jeez? How many drummers have played for a c d
C? Just one? Two, eight or twelve? Wow? Go?
Would you go to you, Matt? Eight? Okay, it's a real
spinal tap moment, isn't it, Trevor. I'm going to twelve. One.
Can't be that many? Gonna be kidding me? Who was the choices
again? One? Well? One, two, eight or twelve? I'll
go with eight? Okay? Well? Wash I feel like it's I don't
know, isn't there famous I guess for having a lot of drummers. I
guess I want to say too, because everybody else picked the hind ones.
But I'll just say two too, Bruce, because I know very little about
ac DC, the guy who plays guitar in the school Boy Outfit. Two.
Yeah, the answer is twelve. Twelve. Wow, wow, Wow,
I can start the spinal card. They just keep dying and something that's
a lot. Okay, vomit, somebody else's vomit. The one reason I
said twelve is that I understand they're pretty difficult to deal with, those guys.
You know what would they be difficult about the you know, the world.
I don't want them murder somebody or no wait, that's alleged no hit,
right right? Okay, got a few more, so let's see bands.
See it's hard Yeah, no, no, But this actually isn't a
question. It's okay, we go which band? Which of these four bands
are the only ones to have a number one hit? Okay, which of
these bands is the only one to have a number one hit? Led Zeppelin,
The Who, The Moody Blues, Creeden's clear Water, Okay, only
one of those bands had a number one hit Zeppelin, Who Moody Blues,
Creeden's clear Water, Bruce Moody Blues, Lois clear One, Moody's Trevor C.
C R. Because I'm feeling one of their songs became very anthemic during
Vietnam. Matt if Sara Way to Heaven was never a number one, I'd
be a little surprised. So I'm gonna say Zeppelin, it's it's the Moody
Blues. Oh yeah, so it must been Tuesday Afternoon. I'm thinking,
you know, are one of their latest songs mac maybe like, yeah,
that's true. The more pop oriented stuff, Oh that's true. Yeah,
Wildest Dreams maybe right, yes, that area right yeah, eighties yeah,
the Mara there was like the second coming. Okay, wait before you ask
the question, I know what the number one moved a Blue song was.
Does anybody want to guess? Now you can guess. We've already said go
now, go now. Yeah. Is that is everybody saying saying, yeah,
that's what it was? Wow? The Forest Record, Holy Cow,
I thought Tuesday Afternoon was that was a monster hit. I didn't know it
was number one, but that was that was a monster hit. I think
I know back in the day, I can stop that expression. I don't
like back in the day, knock that off? Howbun years ago during the
patient. I know that song. It was came out in the sixties,
like when the it was like the British invasion, the first British invasion.
Okay, I'm going to have to I'll sing it to you on the way
home. I do have that, Okay. A lot of good blue stuff
on that album. Yeah, yeah, they were a bluesbean at that point.
Let's see a couple more. What was the lead singer? The lead
singer was the guy that went to Wings nine any wine? Wow? Is
Penny? All right? Here we go? Thank you, Lois woll Okay,
that's one hand clap. That's funny. What band spent four hundred thousand
dollars on a single music video the most expensive music video ever produced? Okay?
What band spent four hundred thousand dollars on the music video the most expensive
music video ever made? One Counting Crows two No Only Ken one Metallica for
the song in the Memory Stones, Bite My Head Off You two, The
Unforgettable Fire Nickelback, Why do You hate us. So anyway, who spent
four hundred thousand dollars in the most expensive music video ever Metallica The Stones YouTube
on Nickelback, Janie, I think I think you too. It wasn't the
Stones, uh Lois. I'm going to say Nickelback just because it's so odd.
I've never heard them, but everyone hates them, Bros. I'm going
to go Metallica, Trevor. I'm actually gonna go with the Stones because they
when they hit the music video scene, they got big time directors to do
their videos like destructure and stuff like that. So Matt Metallica would do something
like that. Yep, Okay it is Metallica is awesome. Yeah, that's
a lot of money from a music video that's, you know, the one
of the three or four minute video. Maybe. Okay, this didn't get
into the millions in the late nineties early two thousands. Yeah, true,
Okay, here we go. This one's a little disturbing, right, What
female singer songwriter has a bizarre medical condition where small mushroom trees grow out of
her skin? Eh? Not even close to what female songwriter singer songwriter has
a bizarre medical condition where small mushroom trees grow out of her skin. That's
not I am grued. Okay, here we go. Taylor Smith, Taylor
Smith Swift. What I say, Taylor Smith? Yes you did. There's
your name, Trevor, there's your new name, man, Taylor Smith.
Taylor's shopping around, Taylor Swift. Uh are you on a glen day?
Oh my goodness. Joni Mitchell. Ye a, Lady Gaga. Oh,
Taylor Swift, Adriana Grande, Arianna. I look at that. I like
I think it's Natcho's ground. Joni Mitchell, Lady Gaga, Lady Gaga,
Lady Gaga, Trevor, I'm going with Stephanie, Lady gotta wanting. Oh,
I didn't know that who for some reason, I'm thinking Joni Mitchell.
But I would have known that, but with how long she's been around.
But all right, I'm going to default to Lady Gaga. Bruce. That
sounds like an infliction. Lady Gaga would have oka? Did everyone say Lady
Gaga except yes, except someone said Stephanie because they know that name. Who
did you say lady lay without a name? That's okay, you're right,
You're all wrong. Oh, no way, it's Joany Mitte. The name
of the the name of the diseases discussed Morgan, Well, it's m O
R g E l l A R s will Gowlad's disease, and it's a
it's it's a lot of people don't think it's a real thing, but they
think that it's a mind of a matter thing. People have have compared it
to the stigmata. The stigmatter is people who are so religious that they get
the wounds of Christ in their hands and stuff. But it's all mental.
But she has that little little mushroom trees grow out of her skin, right,
Okay, huh, who's ray for one? For some reason, I
thought I heard that, and I'm thinking I must have I must have been
dreaming when I heard that story about well, I think we mentioned another way
with it. That's my first first inkling that something weird was going on with
Johnny Mitchell. Yeah, she's had issues, but she I didn't know.
I don't recall it being that weird. But wow, mm hmm, guys,
good research, Thank you. Uh let's see. So so this isn't
a question, but it came up, and this would be the last thing
we do before the commercial. So, which of these bands now these,
if you can believe it, none of these bands had a number one hit
single. None of these bands had a number one hit single. The led
Zeppelin never had another number one. The Who credens a C d C.
The band zz top none of them had a Creeden's clear what had five number
twos? I mean they came into five note twos, which is still good.
It's great. Yeah, And the only Who song to even crack the
top ten was I Can See for Miles when you think about it, Yeah,
but yeah, it's funny. There's the bands known more for themselves than
you know, from from records. You know, it's like Kiss was never
played on the radio. You know, Metallica isn't really played in the radio
that much. You know, they're known, you know, for who they
are as a post to the radio play. Well back in the day people
played back in the day, you know, they played the whole album,
you know, And yeah, there's more album oriented rock. So anyway,
why don't we talk about number one? Are we talking about? When you
calculate it a Billboard airplay thing, it's not necessarily sales on Billboard. I
don't know, Matt, do you have do you know? Uh? No,
I don't know. Yeah, I know what makes yeah billboard would be
I'm not sure that's a good question. But Pete isn't here, he would
know. It would seem like it's maybe it's a combination of too. Maybe
it's some algorithm, a combination of too. I'm thinking that when I used
to read radio and records, it was a hand me down subscription from our
co worker at the radio station where I work. That's what it was all
about. It was who's playing it? Now? You know, obviously people
playing stations playing it would lead to more sales, right, that's true.
It's not the sales that makes it number one, you know, And it's
number one with the bullet stuff and number ten with a bullet meant this is
getting the traction right across you know, certain formats, et cetera, et
cetera. And I think it's about radios. I'll have to go off and
offline and research that, because now it's kind of an interesting thing because all
people spend hours trying to figure that out. Yeah, yeah, like bookies
trying to figure out a line. Well. According to Google, it says
that chart rankings are based on sales physical and digital online streaming and radio airplay.
It's all one, yeah, so it must be some algorithm that so
listen. Speaking of algorithms, why don't we take a commercial right now and
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Macloney. Well what a show. We have a show. We have you
tonight and all music show. But for us to introduce the co defend.
That's head Girls across the Puddle, the famous home on very famous, sorry,
very famous, right, Hello Mac, Hello, everybody, Hello girls,
welcome back to the show. It's a this is gonna be a fun
night. It's really I enjoyed this kind of content, even though I've been
kind of behind the curve and some of the answers of the trivia questions,
I don't know why. Well, you have time to catch up, I
hope so. Also, well in the studio with us in the house,
as the kids say, is the very lowly lowest Lane Lowest Lowe Lowe.
Wow. That just came on the packet. Hi everyone, it's great to
be here. Louie. Yes, that's it. Yeah. I'm a woman
of a few words when I say something to you. Yes, my book
is of a due because I make glasses fun. It's okay. Also with
us is a good friend Bruce Vogel down there in Non York City, Bruce
Music lover slash format form. Hey, guys. Yeah, X MYPD.
I don't know is that. I mean, it's funny because it's it was
a strange job at a job that not many people have. So is that
how you want to be known for remembered for being the top? I think
it's one of those occupations that kind of define you as a person. Yeah,
yeah, you know. I mean, you know, I've been you
know, walked the job for twenty two years now. You know you still
thinking yourself as a cop. You know. That's like I said, you
know, if you're you know, a doctor or a lawyer, I think
it kind of defines you, right, Yes, kind of weird. I
was in it for twenty one years, and I was, you know,
grateful for the opportunity. It's a it's a it's a great job. It
can be a great job. There are things I miss about it, you
know, mostly I miss the people that I work with. Yeah yeah,
yeah, wow. Well anyway, I couldn't do it, I know that.
So I guess thank you for your service. Anytime I'm down in they
I haven't got mug down there yet. Thanks you for your service. Oh,
thank you, definitely, thank you. You know, it's it's it's
very weird because you know, all my time on the job, it's it's
kind of like a thankless job. I mean that the fire department they seem
to be loved by everybody that they come in and save the day. But
the police, they can, you know, take your freedom away. We
can give you summons. Is and you know you're not always popular. After
nine to eleven, when I was down in and around Ground zero, in
the weeks and months after, so many people came up and just said what
you guys just did, thank you for your service, Thank you so much.
It was a very unique time to be on the job. Yes,
it was, it was. It was. It was something that turned a
lot of people's heads around this hours. You know, first responders, I
mean you know, three hundred firefighters and one hundred police were killed. Yeah
there, okay, trying to save up people. So us anyway, also
with us is uh a good friend Matt Mally there in a thousand oaks,
California, right, beautiful bottle of palm trees and everything. Wow, palm
trees as well. Huh nice. So let me get back to you real
quick. I want to introduce not real quick, but my friend Trevor Trevor.
No last name, Trevor Mottin. What is it? Tucker Martin?
No, Tucker now Tucker Martin. You know, no, no, no,
look, good shot. You have that name. Look at Tanna Mountain.
Other that might grow one. I don't know. I don't know.
I think you can come up with something better. You know, hey,
I'm still I'm still going to shop it around and other things. But right
now that's sitting that number one look on a shirt. That's what I want
to know, Bruce, real quick. I just want to say that I
was right right in the middle of the Boston BOMBI they were ready to after
the shootout, so I was right there the FBI and we couldn't leave our
houses. We were all on lockdown. And uh, you know it's it's
not the cops here are wonderful. I love them, but you know there's
this distance not not you know, you didn't wave at them, they didn't
wave at you. And mean, for two weeks after that, everyone loved
them. Everybody as smart cops were smiling, but everybody it was you know,
every cop we saw, we thanked them like it was it was like
being on another planet. Yeah, it was good. It was good.
Everybody felt good for a while. Anyway, Yeah, unfortunately that doesn't last.
Yeah it kind of fades away, and it didn't, but but it
was it was nice to see the Bruce. I have the utmost respect for
someone who's a cop for a career, you know, I can you imagine
just for going to work. You're the guy that goes into all the problems,
you know, you head into winner's an emergency. I mean when I
get LA, freeways are littered with tattooed badasses who want to pull over and
brawl, and whenever that happens to me, I get palpitations. My adrenaline's
going. I'm thinking, God, you just leave me alone. And I'd
love to be a cop and just be relaxed and just give that guy the
finger and just you know, you know, so I'll due respect to Bruce.
Well, thank you. You know. It's it's not unlike any other
job. You know. There there were people that are that are you know,
good at it and good with it, and you know, people who
should be respected. And then there was some that you know, they they
let the shield go to their head, you know, and that they're they're
they're too aggressive. And I'll be the first one to admit it. Yeah
right, yeah, yeah, humans are humans, you know, still people.
Yep, Well not to rip the band aid off, but didn't.
Wasn't there like a small wall between the cop up to the firemen down in
New York City? This is pre nine eleven. They throw an axes at
each other. And yeah, there's a lot of animosity between the two departments,
I think because there are certain you know, rescue jobs that are uh
you know, both departments respond to uh. And I think there's there's kind
of like a battle that that that goes on. You know, like you
know whose job is it? You know who's who's in charge, and you
know a lot of these guys are you know, they want the glory of
you know, being the one that calls it, you know, talks a
guy off the bridge or you know, who saves the person out of the
out of the Hudson River or whatever. But yeah, unfortunately there is animosity
between the fire department of police department in New York. Funny, well not
really funny, isn't so anyway, you want something funny, I'm sorry tell
the joke. You know, well I could, I know, you have
a couple of funny adventures when you were a cop. We can't what I'm
thinking about right now, we cannot put it on the air. So all
right, the parade member, the parade incident. Anyway, let's pivot back
to Matt. So, Matt, what have you been doing lately? Oh?
Gosh, Well, recently I got a phone call from a director of
a documentary HBO wanted to come out to the house here and interview me because
they're doing a documentary on the first two Counting Crows records, which start going
back to nineteen ninety two to about ninety five. It's the early era in
which I'm a big part of. And so she called me saying, I
hope I have the right Matt Mally. So she basically the internet found me,
I guess you know, and said it's not the right one. Sorry
to bother you, but I'm looking for Counting Crows X bass player. So
out comes a little film crew about a week ago to do a big interview
with me in my recording studio, and my three boys are all excited,
my wife's excited. I'm excited because I'm living a semi retired, quiet lifestyle
where I would like to record, but being back on some major thing.
The interview is a with a little nerve wrecking and exciting. So it was
a fun day. So that was lately, and I've also been playing with
AI music. There's a site called Suno that you put in a prompt of
a funny story and it'll immediately generate lyrics for a song. And then you
pick a genre like country or Jewish folk music and it'll immediate in about twenty
seconds later, out comes this song. Man, it's awesome, that's funny,
it's dangerous, but yeah awesome. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
did you see an AI version of yourself? Matt? Then you change a
tune on how cool that is? Yes? Yes, Like wait a minute,
the royalties exactly. There's a new there's a new thing in music.
Is not that new. It is not AI drive, but it's one of
these things that are kind of scary and I didn't know it. I was
driving home one night and you know, fiddling around with the radio and landed
on a country song, a country song, and it's called Saturday Night,
Saturday Nights, I guess or something. Saturday Night sitting on the back of
my truck is some fricking thing. Right, and what it is They took
the music from David Bowie's song I Forget Which One and its superimposed their lyrics
on to his music. Okay, Rebel Rebel is the is the song that
they took Okay, And I said, and I'm like, I like drove
home at nine miles an hour. I was David Bowie's lawyer is not all
over this, right? Wow? Well, it turns out it's called there's
a They did it with permission. They get twenty percent of the of the
of the pie for them to use the backing track from Bowie's song thirty years
ago for country song. What maybe AI was involved, you know, because
it's sounded perfect. It just you know, was a country song. Very
strange. So but is that good? Sorry? I mean is that good?
I mean the AI thing. And also that people aren't coming up at
original ideas that they got to go you know what I mean, it's like
recycling stuff. Yeah. Well, honestly, I gotta say I entered it
kind of a fevered state for about two days when I first discovered the site,
and I immediately subscribed to it and got the pro version, and it
just it takes everything that a musician holds sacred and runs a bulldozer through it
and spits out a song in a minute. I put a Steroway to Heaven
lyrics into a disco song. So I had a female singer singing Stairway to
Heaven to a disco sounds like the Abba, you know, and here comes,
here comes the lyrics. It's like an abomination. It's like it's like
a spawn of Satan, and here's this perfect little disco song was Sarah Stairway
to Heaven lyrics, And it actually made me ill for about two days.
And I see it as a as a creative assist. It's not going to
replace everybody, but it's going to certainly spit out ideas to us that we
can better hopefully. But yeah, so you think at the end it's a
good thing. I believe it is. Not only are we going to have
the world's greatest movies written and filmed with AI, but maybe the greatest music,
you know, with help of AI at the very least. But everyone's
worried about their jobs now and everything, but it's common no matter what,
it's here and it's going to be getting better. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know, you know how in the nineties, it was chat rooms.
I was, I would go to America Line and go to chat rooms
and if you remember, and that became YouTube. And so think of what
AI is going to be in ten years from now or twenty you know,
I can't even imagine. Yeah, yeah, Lois, you were going to
say something what I was just saying that people are fascinated by the fact that
you can just put anything in and as Matt said, within half a second,
it gives you something something. And I think if people use it,
as Matt said, as an assist right to to generate ideas and then you
build from there. I mean, we all build on ideas that already were
so but it's the original idea, I suppose. But I think I think
it cuts into people's creativity because, you know, lazy people like me.
I'm just trying to figure out how to write the next you know, wing
mean book and AI, right, so I don't have to do it.
So, yes, you know, I mean it's going to be that.
But but what happens the day that AI spits out its own song? Do
you know what I mean? It's you know, when when they say it
becomes sentient to what it spits out its own song. Uh, what happens
then you know that's the end. Yeah. Yeah. I have a twenty
four year old son who's a techie, and he predicts that one possibility of
AI becoming so smart that it can actually go into our nuclear buttons, and
it can go into going to the internet. And they do fake videos of
the President saying we're at war. But what if AI reaches a point in
time where it says, actually, I've just calculated that we're all going to
be better off without the human race. Okay, that could happen. That's
the moment happened. I agree with your kid that that could happen. Yes,
and it would be right. That's what's be right. It wouldn't be
just its opinion. It would be a correct calculation. Like the Internet,
there's really very little control on i say, a worldwide basis. The Internet
is sort of ad hoc all over the place. It's just like it was
when uh it was invented, you know where it was just hooking up colleges
and you diversities and things like that. But it's it's the wild West,
Yes, it's it's kind of it. We're experimenting. We don't really care
about raining it in. We just want to let it all hang out,
basically, and it'd be hot to rein it in. I think the genie's
out of the bottle, you know what I mean. I think it's it's
going to do creation at least. It's it's kind of harmless, except maybe
to the artist it says that wasn't me doing that song, or yeah there's
no there was no permission on that one. But if it can cure cancer,
that's great. See that's the thing. Yeah, exactly. You know,
I suppose that you can do these calculations you need for producing new medicines
and things they've been working off in ten years. It does it in like
ten minutes ten seconds. Yeah, So yeah, I was kind of doing
some DNA helping with DNA research and things like that. That's where I'm on
board with it. Yeah. Yeah. I wrote a song a few months
ago that my son and I are trying to record at this time about how
apps are ripping the world apart, whether it's algorithms that feed us what we
believe and then we politically get way more volatile. And it's a great song
and it's inspired by Queen Chords. There's a thing in the music world called
the secondary dominance, which resolved to a tonic and you and Queens really did
that to the limits, and some classical musicians like Brahms did it. And
I'm very proud of writing this song and I'm still trying to record it.
But now when it's released, anyone could just say, oh, he could
have had AI assist him in doing that. It might not be him when
it was me. Interesting. Yeah, see, you don't get the credit.
You don't get the you want. The songwriters won't get the credit that
they deserve. But it mat so while you're on that subject, so you
say Queen's chords, they are they real chords that we would know, like
G seven line of chop or something. Yes, sure, well there's a
song in particular, she Keeps a Moment and Killer Queen. There's a great
video to that too. I think they're on top of the Pops or something,
and they're all clear and crisp and visually it's incredible video. The chords
to that song are a study in secondary dominant resolving to tonics, and they're
all over the verses and the second the b versus, and it's an incredible
piece of music, you know, is that Brian may Or is that Freddy?
Who is that? I think that's Freddy that wrote that one Killer Queen.
Yeah, Freddy would be really elaborate with his lyrics, and so I'm
always I'm thinking that it would have been Freddy. There's a lot of I
mean, if there's a formula for a hit song, not every hit song
is like this, but a lot of them is that. It just sounds
a little bit different, you know, the mid right, this is from
what I can say, the writer just puts in something a little bit different,
like different cores. The beers would start a silent the chorus, you
know that kind of stuff, you know, just so it sounds a little
bit different. Even the listener might not hear it. It's subtle. That's
a hit, you know. Yeah. Wow wow. So I'm going to
ask Trevor, so, so when's when? When's it going to be on
any idea HBO? Matt Uh? It might be months or even a year
or more away that there. They're still in their little editing phase of this
movie. So and then they have to everyone waits for the licensing or whatever
has to happen, right right, Okay, Low has just passed me a
note. Did you keep your clothes on? She wants to know what I
did not? I did not know. I think the documentary genre is in
the toilet. But HBO's music documentaries the last three years happened excellent. But
Donna Summon, seriously, Donna Summon, But Donalds is amazing. Wow,
it's an excellent documentary. Checking out so much Dorchester where I grew up.
But we didn't know each other. We're just friends. Hey, Mac,
I have a question, go ahead please. First, the only h,
the only vowels in Wingman is A and I. Is it something you want
to tell us? Right? Yeah, A, it's a joke. I
hope my publishers and listening now. But I'm looking into it, I really
am. You know, apparently there is some kind of software that you can
download all your books into and and then just say they won't write the whole
book, but it's quite possible to write chapter by chapter. If you say
Wingman now, has you know, blow up on aircraft car or something?
Yeah, GPT. You don't have to do anything except type that in and
it'll do anything. All I need is to recline now, and I've all
said I'm going to hack it. As soon as you get it, I'm
going to hack it even better. I want the one one character and not
be a bad guy, I mean, just for a change, just to
point out how amazing it can be. I work with somebody who needed a
poem about a cap vera before about what capa? I think I'm saying that
right, geared toward fourth graders, And all she wrote was I need a
poem about capabera for fourth graders, and that it mentioned you know where it
lives and what it eats in South American printed out really, you know,
probably an eight stands a poem in seconds, And it was that I don't
think that's a good thing. Frankly, Well, was this when I had
done my freaking homework when I was a kid, I mean before I could
use that when I was going to Northeastern? Yes, yeah, university college
students, Yeah yeah, yeah, it's so easy English thesis, no problem.
Well, do a report on crime and punishment. I hate reading that
book. See the movie. Go tell chat GPT write a book report on
crime and you'll have a book. You have. I am not able to
write business proposals and then starting a new venture with the friend. We put
it in chat GPT and it wrote it for us and it really helped.
Yeah, that wasn't a creative thing. It's just I don't have an ability
to do this. Wrote it in you know, explained the basics of what
it was and what our goal was, and it wrote it perfectly. We
did some editing, some tweaking, but I mean it saved my use.
That's it. Lowis, I got to get that tomorrow. Okay, to
sweet you have to do? What's a browser? That's right? So was
it Mad magazine that had those things scenes we'd like to see, Oh yeah,
yeah, Mad magazine. Okay, this is AI music. I would
like to see all of a sudden out of the clip sky there's a there's
a song that's allegedly AI generated by some nefarious Taylor Swift, uh moron,
who's it's a it's a distrack on Travis Kelcey. Okay, that's just did
this track Travis Kelcey, you know, by by some AI user who's sick
of seeing Taylor and Travis, you know, blitzing around town kissing and hugging
and having a good time and this comes out. See but see something like
that could happen, and you could just put that on the Internet and people
wouldn't know until you know that people always they never hear the the explanation or
the you know, like word goes out and ninety perven of the people never
hear the retraction, you know what I mean, or the explanation, so
that you know, kind of adds to it, and all the media would
pick it up like here, yeah, because yeah, because the meetia is
twenty four to seven now at the media, and that I don't want to
stop. The meeting in this country is so inconfident it's beyond believe. Anyway,
Bruce, I want you to if you could very quickly tell us walk
us through the two times you met John Lennon. Bruce, did you hear
that? Sorry? What if you could walk us through the two times that
you saw that you met John Lennon? Oh sure, the first time was
April ninth, nineteen seventy six. But who's counting a good friend of mine.
We were, you know, really, you know, heavily into the
Beatles. I was in junior high school and he shows up at my door
one day wearing a Beetle shirt and across the stomach was John's autograph in pen
and he said, I went into the city. I met John Lennon and
I said, I have to go. So a couple of friends of mine,
we cut school, we you know, took the bus in the subway,
went to the Dakota. We were very very fortunate. We were hanging
out for probably only about two hours, and the doorman came out and said,
you know, John and Yoko are coming out. He actually tipped us
off that they were coming out. Thankfully, we were the only you know
people there, and him and Yoko came out and we approached him. I
said, you know, John, you know, we're you know, you
know, big fans, you know. I asked her if we could take
a picture. And Mac knows this picture very well. He actually stood him
and Yoko stood next to me. They pose. It's a a great you
know picture. I you know, printed it out probably about a million times.
He signed my imagined album cover. We had a brief conversation and the
doorman hailed a cab and him and Yoko got in a cab and if they
went wow wow, And I'll tell you he he could not have been nicer
to a couple or three, you know, dopey teenage you know, Beatle
fans, and it meant the world to me. And I've told the story,
you know, one hundred times. Uh And had he you know,
blown us off, it would have been devastating, but he didn't, and
it was it was terrific. The second time, my my, my then
girlfriend you know, wanted to to to go and see John, and we
took a chance, went down there and this time he came out of a
cab, uh and we stopped him and you know, said, you know,
can you sign an autograph? And again he was very very you know,
friendly towards us. He signed our autographs and it was it was really
I was going to say, it's a once in a lifetime experience, but
you know, fortunately for me it did you know, lightning struck twice,
and it was it was terrific thing that John Lennon was able to experience a
like normal guy lifestyle in New York City. That's what he loved about New
York City. Only in New York City can you do that really in a
way. And with all the crap that went on with him getting his visa
or not almost not getting a visa, stuff, you would think that would
he would, you know, have something up his butt about New York or
America in particular. Yeah, well he used to say. He used to
say about in New York City, says everyone hates it, but you don't
see anyone moving out. Mm hmm yeah, yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
So now I was thinking, wow, that's so cool to want me
the beetle. But we have to go to Matt because Matt, you have
to tell us your beetle sweaterst story again plays well, well, it involves
having my ego go up and smoke. So Friend of Mind, this was
in twenty thirteen, said he's a big alcoholics anonymous speaker and he's a psychiatrist.
So his name is Brian Wells. And so Brian was staying at our
house with us, and he said, come on down with me to this
Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. I'm going to be speaking, and Ringo Starr and his
wife Barbara back come to this meeting usually, so come on down in case
you want to might get a chance to meet him. So he brought me
down with him, and we're in Beverly Hills and there's sure enough in walks
Ringo with his wife. So I'm like, just my mind's blown. How
can he How can he just sit in a room like this a beatle?
He's just sitting in here, you know. And Joe Walsh was there too,
because their wives are sister in laws. Know that their wives are sisters.
Barbara back and then Joe Walsh's wife is married to the sister of Barbara,
and but having a beatle there, normally it would be like, wow,
Joe Walsh. Joe Walsh was as good as invisible. And then so
I saw after the presentation that Brian gave and everything he knows Ringo and so
sat enough. Ringo and Barbara go up to Brian and they're talking. So
I thought, oh, man, that there's my end. So I went
over because Brian's my buddy. So he goes Richard. Richard Starkey is Ringo's
name, and he goes Richard, this is my friend Matt and this is
his first time at a meeting, and holds out his arm and says,
come here on that and gives me a hug. And so yeah, so
I'm just I'm so full of like I think I have a panic disorder because
I'm my adrenaline is going and I went down and I say, you know,
I played in a band called Counting Crows, and and Richard Starkey goes
Counting Crows. I used to play in a little band myself. So I
think he knows he can just mess with your mind. And you know,
there's nothing I could say. And it was very nice. It was then
you smell the sweater. Then you smell his sweater. Yeah, I as
I was hugging in my smell the sweater, and IoT, that's Ringos sweater
right there. That the reptilian core of my brain was trying to experience everything.
He handled it. Well, yeah, I said, I got ringo
DNA all over me. I'm not going to bathe for ten years and rings
like put a man on this guy, you know, Yeah, yeah,
I'll tell you he looks better than ever. I mean, he dies just
he but he's got a cool here now. He just he just looked really
and he was the sickest one of all those guys, you know, and
he's yeah, yeah, funny, and he's been sober for so many years
now. He was talking about a dinner he had with mccontney. Whenever my
Kondie goes into La they have dinner and he in my contey tried. I
guess who's you know, not adverse to drinking, to try to get Ringo
to have a drink, you know, after like forty years whatever, and
he says, why won't you have it? Come on, Ringo, why
won't you have it? And he says, what to look like you?
Oh, by the way, that's good. He sounds like he's come to
his full realization of not being an alcohol Yeah, yeah, yeah, really
not drinking absolutely so, Trevor, let's see touring now, yes, yes,
they're out now down the road right now? Yep, yep? Orun
tall yeah. I there's a lot of the phenomenon of so called classic rock
artists or you know artists have gone back a few years. They's fifty years
and more. It's amazing that they're on the on the road. Some of
their road trips are briefly interrupted, like the Boss Bruce Springsteen's trip is not
on hold but at ten day hiatus that started a couple of days ago.
And it's it's becoming more and more perhaps obvious that maybe some of these rock
stars we worshiped and loved like I have worshiped and loved these guys day in
day out, say, man, if these guys can do that, then
I should be able to live and enjoy it forever too. Like like my
my life, enjoyment of everything you know, earthly and everything musically depends on
the the life of Keith Richards somehow I know the old thing the over end
was quite a past seven. By the way, go ahead, ifing happens
to Keith Richards's, what would you do? I'm going to be really wicked
nervous. Well didn't you tell me once that you when you wake up in
the morning, you think, what's Keith doing right now? Exactly? I
go to I go to your news searches, you know, and just type
in following that's stock comentarial. Man, that's that's unbelievable to being a stalker.
But and I know here in the UK, if something happened, it
would be it would be on BBC. But did you did you write?
Didn't you send him something to his house in Connecticot, your panties or something?
What you do? You did you wrote to him in connecting it with
Keith? But yes I did. I did during steel Wheels when I was
a local crew roadie guy, uh handle his guitars from the truck to his
his guitar tar Tech who just loading them in. I was handling the cases
inside, which were allegedly Keith Richard's guitars, because I was told that and
told to bring them in a specific ones. I did that twice. Did
you lick it tire on each hand? Twice? And I'm going, wait
a second, I'm I'm experiences. I'm by myself. Okay, I'm walking
on the cross of the back stage. I walked every inch of that stage.
I'm saying, I got Keith Richard's guitars with me, and I'm handling
them like they're my child. You know, was like gingerly watching my step.
And you know, because there was cables everywhere and this there was stuff
that was kind of not yet tied down. We're going to put some music
behind this. Believe me, We're gonna put some very white music behind this.
I did. I told Iileen about it when I got home, and
I went, you know what, I'm not going to wash my hands for
a while. I think I got something. Just give me warning on too.
During his solo tour, they were in Boston at the where did they
play at the uh the Wank Wank Center Round. Was it the Orphan?
They haven't, Yeah, they played at it might have been the Orphan.
And that was the first expensive Winos tour in December and Keith Ridge's birthday December
eighteenth, And it was nineteen eighty eight close before they got back together again
for Steel Wheels. Yes, I sent them a birthday card to the theater
you know Keith Ridge. You know Keith Rich's care of the Orphian Theater.
Whatever the address was, and I was hoping he would maybe, you know,
I put my return address. I was hoping that he'd right back one.
We have to get together. I'm your biggest fan, come on please.
But I didn't hear from some he's a funny guy. He's he's an
interesting guy. He's well read. He's I mean he's he's like a historian.
He knows a lot of stuff. And they would say, I've seen
interviews with people in the Stones. They say, whenever you have some kind
of dilemma, whether it's money or music, whatever, you just go to
him and he'll tell you what to do. He's one of those guys,
right, But he spends his days, as it turns out, he spends
If you want to believe it. He spends his days read reading stuff,
reading history books. You know, he's he's a substance. And but what's
funny is that he has become We've said this before, he's become one of
his heroes, you know what I mean. He's he's going to be mentioned
in the same breath as Muddy Waters and Holland Wolf and all those guys,
those Chicago blues guys, because that's what he's become. He's become an old
blues guy who plays in a band. You know. Uh So he's become
his own heroes, which is kind of a cool thing. And he's funny.
I mean, he's if you can understand what that he's talking about,
he's he's really funny and kind of witty. You know, these are times
he make every time he makes public appearances on late night TV. Who's his
favorite? Yeah, yeah, that Jimmy what is his name, Jimmy Allen?
What's he doing on that show? Man this? Yeah? He is
the worst, that guy. It's about having a man on him. NBC
has a man on that guy twenty four to seven because he has a problem
with you know, with booze and he's almost hurt himself a bunch of times,
a couple of times anyway, not funny, but he does make fun
of him. Keith Richard makes fun of himself a little self, and he
did with he was on Howard Stern Yeah episode, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know, I know he takes himself seriously as far as his music
is concerned, and his abilities and that sort of thing. And obviously because
that's what he does for the fun. I mean, he does it for
a living, but he does this for fun. You know. He said
that he'll stop doing it when he's dead, those things, and really,
you know, he's you know, he's serious, but he's funny about it.
His best line was someone asked him, he's been a rockstar now for
fifty years, you know what is what was the struggle? Like he goes
the struggle. He says, I've been a rocks does so it's been twenty
years old. It's been great. You know, I'm a rockstar. Goet
it. Yeah. He really, he's just you know, I think he's
like Ring going away. He knows, you know, I hate to say
it sounds pap. He knows who he is, you know what I mean,
he knows. It's a huge celebrity. But you you met him,
right, Matt, you met him. Yeah. I met Keith and Ron
Wood when. Oh it was one day when we were opening for them and
somewhere in the Midwest, and they have a snooker's table in their dressing room
area of the stadiums that they traveled with us. So a couple of the
counting crews were playing snoopers and then Keith or Ron would show up and help
us hold the key to the right way, things like that. It was
pretty wild. Yeah, amazing. Well, the uh, what's his What's
Keith Richards's favorite dinner? Shepherd's pie? Yeah, yeah, there's a recipe
on line for Keith Richards Shepherd's fine. Really wow, he thought. Keith
always said that don't bust the crust. Don't bust the crust. Right,
there would always be in order of shepherd's pie and the crew table. What
he does is he just he makes a shepherd have the first piece. He
makes a shepherd's pie, and he puts onions. He puts a layer of
onions on top of it. That's his, that's the recipe, and then
he puts the crust on. But he never eats in restaurants. I was
seeing red something to bomb them a little while ago. He never eats in
restaurants and he cooks all his own food. I didn't know that either.
Yeah, So, Trevor, I'm going to ask you something. Oh yeah,
go ahead, Do you like give us your opinion of I do.
I like Abba a lot, and I'll tell you why. I was an
electronic music DJ club DJ for ten years, and I used to think disco
was ridiculous and stupid and stuff like that. And then I read this book
about just the history of DJing all genres, and I realized that a lot
of the music that I loved it came from this genre of disco. And
I would go back and listen to it and finally hear what I'd been missing.
And yes, it's a very silly genre, but I can I appreciate
it now for the influence that it had on hip hop and electronic music.
And part of that rediscovery of it was Abba and what I believed now to
be really great production. One thing about I'd never think i'd say this,
but looking back on disco, it's actually not as bad as everyone you know
thought it was. You know, it's not a lot of interesting production,
a lot of interesting percussion in it. It's some good funk in disco too.
I wanted people to recognize that disco actually some of it has some funk
to it. Yeah, yeah, good interesting. Yeah, Matt, do
you did you always have you come around to liking disco? We should ask
everyone, Well, I'm all struck at a but I mean I would say
is it was a while, maybe five to ten years ago, in my
fifties and youtubing. I came on like the track Dancing Queen I found Knowing
Me, Knowing You. And there's a documentary on them, by the way,
with the guy that made those videos, because they're all very low budget.
If you ever see them, they're on a mountain top of a snowman
on one of the videos cool I think it's Chicka Tita, and it's all
the lighting is all wrong and and they're just like and this this guy,
uh, the Swedish filmmaker that did their videos is watching Knowing Me, Knowing
You, and he's laughing and saying, look, why is it? Why
is that guy there? What are they? And it is one of the
members, it's Benny or Bjorn, and they're like walking back behind one of
this ladies and he's saying, why are they doing this? And he's laughing
at himself. How he directed this video and it's genius and the music is
just incredible, the songwriting is incredible. They were the first billion dollar private
enterprise ever in Sweden because the first bit, I think that's the right way
of saying it. Yeah, they're a fantastic art article in two thousand and
five that's said, if somebody approached them again about getting back together and had
calculated that after toy and sales, yeah, they each would have nabbled,
not gross, nabbled one burn dollars and they still sad now hates each other's
each other a billion dollars worth. Wow, that's cool. Oh we can
Wow, that's funny. So anyway, you know what, let's just take
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nice to be here, and it's fun to hear everybody talk about music.
It is fun. It's very you know, connects the world. Also with
us, in his own way connecting the world is Bruce Vogel down there in
New York City. Bruce, Hey, guys, you got the lowest.
You got the clock clan Clack Kent glasses on there? Yeah, speaking of
the clock Cank glass was lowess. How is it that you did not know
that Clark Kent was superman? I mean, did the glass is really throw
you off that much? Well, you know it's because I didn't have mindglasses
on. Just recently got them now I understand why it's not trouble person.
Also with us, there is a good friend out there in the left coast,
Matt Malley. Matt, how are you good? Doing good? Surf?
Weather's good out here? Did you say surf is California is amazing?
Have you ever surfed? Have you ever surfed? No? Never surf,
never served. I'm not an athlete by any stretch. You come here for
the weather. You see those nuts. Well, that's good. You see
those nuts. You know, these these people who are so into surfing,
they get down a helicopter and they go out through these rocks. You're like
one hundred miles off of Catalina or some freaking place, and these enormous waves
like they something from a nightmare. I mean, if you don't, what
is that just stupidity? Or you get the money to do it. You
need the adrenaline rush, the human ego. You know. I was recently
on some YouTube sleuth and found mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom. Do you remember
that from the what that guy? Yeah? Yeah, yes, yes,
And and in it is this dude who's his assistant, what was his name,
Marlon Marlon Perkins, yeah, Malon Park. Yes. And and in
one of the episodes is this dude with a petroleum product in his hair and
slacks and he's wrestling a lion, you know, to show that man is
greater than these beasts. I thought, Wow, that's a Cold War era,
mid century male ego, and that's why people surf off for these giant
waves, right wrong? Yeah, okay, you know if you try that
with a lion, ninety nine times out of one hundred. It's not going
to go well. You wrestling with a lion. So anyway, and also
with us as our good friend Trevor. Trevor, what is that taka is?
What's your name? Yeah, Tucker Houghton. That's okay, you got
it, You got it. That's it, Tucker Houghton, the man with
no name. I think there's some kind of red that one. Yeah,
we're going with it. Thank you, Max. That's okay for getting me
there. So anyway, Bruce, I've introduced Bruce. Yeah, yeah,
he has the clock and glasses on. Oh gotch doing this? There was
a new in the like in the Vietnam War where if you wore glasses in
the military, you had to wear those glasses and they called them the army's
birth control about so Bruce, you would tell Hius his story? Started to
tell us the story off here? What was it? Oh? Uh?
The most embarrassing band that I've ever seen. And I can guarantee you that
I'm the only person that anybody here on this panel I'm probably even listening that
his podcast has ever seen. I saw the Bay City Rollers lois favorite band.
You kidding me? And I and I don't admit that in in in
mixed company too often. I actually didn't buy the tickets. I was actually
this was and this was not too long like after they you know, had
that hit with Saturday Night and did the uh uh was what show did he
do? Mac? Like midnight Special? I can't think of it anyway,
No, no, no, I would co sell. Oh Joe Perfect,
I would co sell. Actually had a short lived variety show and I think
that's where the basity rolls American debut. It wasn't too long after that.
But back in the day, I was really into buying like anything Beatles.
I could find memorabilia, Mac magazines, whatever. And I actually put an
ad in the newspaper and this woman called me up and said, yeah,
I have a bunch of stuff. And I wasn't even driving at the time.
I actually drove my broke my bicycle to her house simply about a half
an hour to get there. And it turned out that she was a disc
jockey on one of the on one of the New York City radio stations.
I just remember her name was Paulie. I was on w PLJ or something
like that. And I bought a bunch of magazines from and she goes,
oh, by the way she goes. You know, I get tickets from
time to time, you know, being on the radio station. I have
these tickets to see the Basity Rowers. You know, do you want to
go? And you know I didn't have a lot of pocket money. I
was, you know, dating a girl at the time. I said,
sure, I'll take them. And we saw the Basity Rowers at the Palladium
in minatt And I can't swear that they were playing their own music. It
might have been it might have been canned. I can't swear to it.
But I was probably like one of the only males in the audience. He
was pretty well. It was like it was kind of fun. I don't
want to say it was like the Beatles, but it was kind of like
being in the in the balcony at the end of a hard day's night.
Yeah. Yeah, people screaming, kids screaming when they're playing, and that
the girls were all yelling and screaming. But tell the truth, Bruce,
Did you have the socks? Did you wear the socks to the they had
the socks? Did you roll the pants or whatever? Did you did you
we have the socks and all of that avoiding the question did you wear the
socks? Yeah? Lois? Did you wear the song? She still was
the socks? I did. I did have the socks and the rolled up
I bet I don't have them now, but I did at the time.
Absolutely, we all did. It was cool. Yeah was What are your
favorite? I don't even know who the names of any all. That's all
right, you can say it, honey. I don't know the names of
it. Friends, I know the song. It was a hit. I
was, you know, somebody into pop music? Nothing else, So okay,
all right, there is the period at the end of the sentence.
So if we're going to talk about you know, I mean usually when you
see bands, you expect them to be, you know, good, and
no matter what, they are good, you know what I mean in a
way. I mean, I'm sure I've seen bands and they I thought they
were great and they probably said, well, we had an off night?
Or does that happen? Matt? Can you I don't want to say fool
the audience, but can you kind of Yeah, there's windy nights when like,
for example, if you're an audience member and you're going out to see
a band that you really like, to you that's once a year, once
every few months, and you're all fresh. That poor band is playing their
fifth or sixth show of the week and playing the same songs again that night.
And there they've been doing this now for two years. They've been they
haven't been home yet, And so there is an art to acting like you're
into it for your audience. You're burnt out. Counting Crows famously just started
redoing, morphing our songs into odd versions of what they originally were at the
beginning of a tour. WHI just start to change just out of sheer boredom.
Wowly, But when I've seen you in YouTube, and I've mentioned this
to you before, where you're playing in front of forty fifty thousand people at
these festivals whatever, and you never got stage fright, you never got nervous.
No, no, But again, the Counting Crows is a little unusual
in that it's all about the singer. You know, all of us in
the back are very replaceable, nameless, faceless to a degree. I mean,
there are people that know all our names, people that love our records
and looked at the photograph and know what we look like. This is before
the internet took off too in the early nineties, mid nineties, and so
there would be fans waiting at the bus that knew all of us, and
so we'd meet those. But the Adam took obviously the brunt of all the
attention. You know, you can see it in the audience as far as
you could look, is that ninety percent of everybody's eyes are on Adam singing.
You know. So I didn't get stage fright. I think mostly for
that reason. I wasn't out there as Matt Malley. I stood behind the
Adam and I stood next to the drummer, and I would just play with
him. Yeah. Yeah, for me, you could be an introvert and
be the bass player in Counting Cross. Yeah, you're you're very proficient and
just played like kind of like uh, the rhythm guitars for ac DC.
Who's the brother would just be excellutely excellently playing with some kind of a showment.
Yes, he just passed away. The brother of the guy who gets
dressed in the school get outfit. Is your did the singer there of County
Crows? He gets stage fright, He's going to have Adam No, No,
he fed off of it. He loved attention. In fact, one
guy told me, the guitar player. He said, early on, if
you put ten or twenty screaming girls in front of at him, he becomes
a genius. And he did every night. You know, he would improvise
and write songs if people are looking at him, if pretty girls are looking
at him, he just came alive. He loved it. He fed off
that, you know, like any good performer would. Yeah. Sorry,
I want to say something about he's a lucky guy, right, that would
be your no. I think that's why many men get into music, you
know, after you said, that's why you started a band. After that's
why everyone spans is to get girls. The guy who used to tell the
folks sing the folk songs around the fire in the dark ages, he was
getting laid probably after that, don't you think, Okay, that's cross Yeah,
I mean yeah, you get yeah, you get in a band and
your adolescence to meet girls. Well, most people do. If they say,
but look at the music, Look look what comes of it. Look
at the music that comes of it, you know, and and no taking
it seriously, but just just take the Beatles for an example. Okay,
if there were no Beatles there would be no led Zeppelin, there'd be none
of that. There'd be none of that. We'd be singing hoot Nanny is
some freaking thing. I mean, just just think how many guitar how many
people learned how to play the guitar because they saw the Beatles in that soul
of it, you know, I mean, it's it's millions, millions.
Let's do a little survey here. We know you did did one try?
Did Bruce tried to? Bruce was in the band, was in a band
in the sixties. All of us were in bands. And clearly Matt was
so okay and that was your motivation. Was everybody in agreement. Yeah,
girls and girls and yeah, okay, there you go, your instrument to
attract chicks four and four for four okay. It was liberation from being a
geek in Mike. Yeah, I mean, I know this is debated,
but there were there was a period of eight years where, you know,
late nineties or early two thousands where the turntable was considered the the big instrument
instrument of time because it was out selling guitars. And that's when I became
a club DJ, and it it gave me, you know, total introvert,
you'd be surprised. I'm actually really shy and awkward, and DJing gave
me an ability to, I don't know, to experience what it was like
to have a roomful of people cheer you on. Never had that before.
Amazing music. Nothing music does, you know. I mean, it really
is something that everyone in the world agrees on. That's one thing I'm always
saying a low us. You really can who doesn't like music? You know
what I mean? I mean it might be well, I've met one person
and they were one of they truly were one of the strangest people I've ever
met. They did not like music, period, any kind. That's any
kind. They and and this is true, and they weren't they were lying.
They were a manager at a record store job, this is one and
they did not like any music. I was like, hey, we're your
favorite bands. So I started working there and they're like, I don't like
music, Yeah, you like something I don't. And they weren't being I
mean worth. Then they're like, yeah, she doesn't like music. Something.
We get like about ten minutes left, and I'm just gonna throw this
out there because I think asked Matt one question about when I watch a band
I like, I get a kick out of they are accessories that they're wearing.
Okay, the wardrobe attention to wardrobe is amazing these days, but the
accessories that go with it it can also be amazing. What was up with
the guitar player wearing like one of those green air freshness you would see hanging
from the rearview mirror in a car. What was up with that? He
was hoping to charm girls by wearing an air fresher so he doesn't have bo
You know, I've come to realize that when we're all little babies and we're
being cooed at and loved, that that kind of wants to get revisited in
adolescence. We all want to be the star of our grammar school and then
the star of our high school. And that need to be a rock star.
Yes, that that need to be a rock star is like wanting to
be a little baby and have all your friends and relatives cooing over you.
Again, it's just taken into your did you mention that? Why not?
On the HBO Doctor Much Lost? They don't teach music in school anymore,
you know. The churches for music classes is out the window. And I
remember when I was young and going to school in Cambridge, Massachusetts, Uh,
the PbD School. We had a but we had a music, music
class, but it wasn't just about music like you. We weren't talking about
the circle of fifths. But today, if it was you talking about the
circle of fifths to be you know, surrounded by liquor bottles, that would
be the circle of fifths. No, not that circle of fifths, you
idiot. Anyway, we had a guy that would come in and would would
bring in as a little bit the what an Edison cylinder Oh really original record
that's funny. Yeah, a real genuine Edisent cylinder machine and a box of
records cylinders and they were like in these velvet cases that like each cylinder had
its own slot. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't like this
briefcase? You open it up and you know, handle with care. Yeah
yeah, put it out there. Wind this thing up. But why do
you think schools, why do you think schools don't teach music? Because every
school yeah yeah, school music. But in the inner cities. What happened
was and not to you know, override your story though. LAist and we
talked am about this before. The reason that the turntable and stuff became so
popular was that in the eighties when Ronnie Reagan was in there, Nancy convinced
him to do two things. Empty all the federal asylums or people you know,
and mental facilities, and also cut the budgets for a lot of odds
in the inner city. Right. And so what these kids did was they
had nothing. So these kids just get saxophones and drums and stuff in school,
you know. And I've said before, they how many musicians have come
out of like holem and stuff like that, and just because of that.
So suddenly they don't have it. So what do they do. They go
to the turntables. It's the most it's the greatest story about adaption that you
can get. They went, and that's why you get the MC's and you
got DJs. And they used the turntables as their instrument. And then they
out selling guitars probably five years later. There was any i think an eight
year period where it outsold the guitar. It was unbelievable, amazing. So
anyway, I was going to say, oh, just real quick, we
got like five minutes now. But thinking about music and people don't like music,
which is seems impossible to me. But I think I think that music
is almost in your DNA or something because and we've said this before too.
You see these little kids from there, mostly from Japan, and they're playing
you know, rock monovv in Beethoven when they're four years old. Okay,
it's called the Suzuki mount. Then I know that. But how can a
kid who is barely talk and walk play Beethoven if it isn't somewhere already in
there, you know what I mean? They can't. I have a theory,
okay, real quick. I worked on a documentary about dementia and Alzheimer's
and we shot an interview with somebody who had very long developing They had Alzheimer's.
For a while, he'd be sitting next to his daughter. He would
he would talk to her, she would tell him who he who she was,
and then a minute later he would forget. However, he would then
pick up a violin and play it perfectly. Oh man, And there's something
about there. They said in the study of dementia that music, forgetting music
is one of the last things to go so to if you have somebody suffering
from dementia or Alzheimer's play music. I can't. I mean, is it
weird to suggest, like, you know, go back to when you're a
child, Like there's something about music, rhythm, something that's maybe it's from
being in the womb and hearing the like the blood pumping, like I don't
know the rhythm of the body like, but it's I I don't know,
but I find them. They have to be related somehow. Yeah, that's
too much of a Yeah. We would see a good friend of mine as
is used to play in like a Beatlemania band, Matt you've met Mike Pooling,
and and we would They were a really good band, really good beatle
band. What were they called Help or something? Really good. They didn't
go for the look, but they went for and they also played like really
kind of B side stuff, you know, you know stuff you really but
we would go. We saw them often, and you knew one minute into
playing the same thing was going to happen. A barrage of little kids would
run up to the state and start dancing O every time we went, and
we said, look at this, you know, look at these kids.
And then still it's somehow hitting them, you know what I mean, it's
something to make the move and you know, act crazy. It was a
good sign. Yeah, it is a phenomenon even even today. Didn't they
play every year the Homecoming festival in Newburyport Mark Pohlan's band, Yes, yeah,
and they also play Beatle Juice also played the Beetle Juice. Beatle Juice
played there too. I think I was taking guitar lessons for a while from
one of the members of Beetle Juice. I wasn't a big fan of guitar
lessons, but he was good. He was good. But you're right,
that phenomenon of here's the live band and here's they're playing Beatles stuff like just
perfectly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which isn't easy to do.
Product kids who certainly were very you know, wouldn't remember the Beatles.
They were lucky their parents would have remembered the Beatles. Yet that their music
it resonates. Yeah, yeah, all of everybody. Was one thing that
my daughter thought was amazing when I took her to see the Rolling Stones that
in Buffalo during the Zip Code tour, and she this was the first time
she's seen the Rolling Stones. She didn't go to many concerts to begin with,
but to see the spread of age groups that were going there to see
the rolling Stone. Yeah, that's when you know you haven't made all ages
young kids to great grandparents basically you could tell by looking at them. But
the age groups that she was just sitting there, we're there like, you
know, hours before the gates opened. Just like, wait a minute,
is that who's lying up to come in here? This is like, this
is crazy and just music has the capability of bringing large groups of people together.
Yeah, you don't have the music foundation from the very beginning, you're
gonna lose it. You're gonna you're gonna pick it up somewhere along the line.
But it's nice to have a foundation, whether it's in school or you
know, extracurricular activities. That's that's would be the best I think that people
here around the house, you know what I mean. We're talking about the
other show where in after World War Two, the British government kind of like
subsidized people buying pianos, okay, just to have one kind of you know,
a morale busta and so a lot of kids grow up with people learning
how to play the piano, singing. You know, you hear my cott
You're always on and on all the stories. Always aunts and uncles just go
over and sing and stuff like that. You know that doesn't really happen in
America in my you know, you know experience, but they and that's why
it's and we were talking about this the other night too. We get go
really soon. But when you think of all the music that has come out
of England and you compare it to the music that's come out of America,
England's such a small place, you know what I mean, Think of all
the music that has come out of England. Just just sense the Beatles and
it's probably it probably matches the United States, but you have a much smaller
population to you know what I mean. Yeah, it's weird. All right,
we're gonna go around the horn. You got one last thing to say.
I'm gonna go with Bruce. Okay. I thought it would have been
interesting to you have to hear like a you know, like your Desert Island
discsh Yeah, you know, like you want a desert Island, Like what
would you take with you? One one album that I always go back to,
and uh, it's just a great record. Beginning to end. Diyre
Straits making movies. Oh yes, a great album. Yeah again, And
we went to see them live once Lowest you probably don't even remember it to
you, at the Albany Ego whatever where was. They're unbelievable. I'm so
glad I saw them. That was like there when they're really you know,
going about four years after something's a swing. They were almost jazzy. They
had two keyboard players, which is weird because it's a primarily talk about the
guy out front. Black Knaflow is the guy out front of that man playing
like crazy doing all the singing. It's just an exciting, really well done
show. I'm glad I saw them. They're really good. Yeah, Trevor.
Last thoughts, Tucker, please tell them you know this, Tucker,
This uh, this kind of this, this episode kind of motivated me.
I've been going back on back and forth on whether I should get tickets to
E l O this summer, and I think I'm going to do it because
I realized this might be my only opportunity to see Jeff Lynn, who has
produced so many albums that I love, and I, yeah, I gotta
do it. You know, I gave your money, save your money now,
George here, I know, right, Person's Cloud nine. That album
doesn't get a lot of respect, but I think Jeff Lynn's work on it
is fantastic. I ever bought Yeah, right, yeah, I think I
think it's a good, really good album and it just sounds great. Yeah.
He talked about having the touch. Man, that guy has the touch,
you know what I mean. Is an unbelievable Yeah. Maybe I like
him more than Quincy Jones, I don't know, but is he incredible?
Yeah, Quincy Jones was. I mean, Quincy Jones is great at what
he did. I think one of the best things he did was like the
pre Michael Jackson getting unbelievably huge album was off the wall all that that album,
Yes, I had unbelievable and produced. There's banjos in that album with
there's banjo's on songs on those album. But you know, he he he
just knew how to do it, you know what I mean, He just
he just he knew the sound. He grasps a lot of a lot of
that music is done by Toto as it turns out, and also on the
the next album of Throwing. But anyway, so Matt last thoughts well,
talking about great albums, there's a great album also one being in England.
It's a uniquely English, right, It's called Pink Moon by Nick Drake's Oh
yeah, that's a desert. Yeah. He's interesting guy. He passed away
many years ago, right as they said, Yeah, in his early twenties,
very young, in his parents parents house, and they weren't sure if
it was suicide. He was taking the pills I think, to sleep and
he had taken way too many. But he was also the type that would
just keep taking them until he would sleep. I guess controversy. Yeah,
is it like a Balladia songwriter type guy, Yeah, a little bit.
He's kind of in the English folk revivalism genre. But it's the record is
just acoustic guitar and him his voice, and he plays acoustic guitar. There's
a piano on the first track. But it's just one of the top three
records of the history of the universe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When
I worked at a record sore like popular albums came and went, but we
Nick Drake was just always selling year after year, week after week, day
after day, just everybody. I bet it's still the same way today,
Like a guy just moved records amazing. Yeah, and I'm going to go
to Lowis. Lowis final thoughts. We are we stopping at a subshop on
the way home. My final thought is not about what I would take on
a desert island. It is just the fact. And we've talked about this
before, how music. We've talked about how peace can be achieved through music,
because except for the person who works at Tucker's Record store, everybody like
you can really relate to music. And if you can somehow connect over music,
you can connect over other things and just find a common ground. So
that's my little soapbox. Yeah, that's true. You know that in sports,
I mean though they've they've they've had wall over sports like hot doors,
and you know, sports is different because it's a competition and then people pick
sides. But music and while I granted not everybody will agree that they like
all kinds of music, but if you can be like you've always said about
John Lennon said, you just have to appreciate music for music's sake. You
might not this might not be your favorite, but you have to appreciate,
appreciate the musicality and the talent that went into it. And if you can
look at it, that's creates an open mind, and then it opens doors
to other things. I think he said, don't be a snob about music,
John Lennon is a probably one of the best things I ever said.
Don't be a snob about music. Listen to everything you know, don't be
a snob about don't be a rock and roll snob is what he was saying,
you know, listen to classroom. And he also has that great line,
what's the name of the book on? Oh, you mean the one
that's sitting on the table that I look at every day. I don't remember
something. It's just basically, oh, I know, everything's going to work
out in the end. If it doesn't, it's not the end, right,
And it's a book that is a collection of his quotes. It's just
like, oh he said that, it's just very actually quote in a movie
somewhere. Was that than Yesterday? Maybe? Yeah? Probably? Yep,
Yeah, So anyway, I think Jack Malleck quoted that in Yesterday, didn't
he? Yeah? Probably? So final thoughts go ahead, wand please the
bass play for Diastroitch lives in my town, just a few miles away.
He's got a he's got a pub and he plays quite a bit, you
know, usually he stays out of the limelight, but once a while he
picked. He picks. He plays guitar too. And have you seen him
a little bit in the pub? Have you seen him? You're stalking him
to right here in Lymington? Have you seen him? Not yet? No?
Theay, I got to go. There's still time you got to get
and really announced when he's gonna if he's going to be playing, or if
he if he's even going to be in town. Well if you, if
you run into him, tell him that Tucker hot Stuff says, Hi,
write that down, Okay. One of my Desert Island discs, though out
of the ordinaries, like lou Reed Transformer album. Like the way it's done.
I like the songs on it. The production is great. Everything about
that record is amazing. Does that have Satellite of Love on it? Satellite
of Love? Yeah, a Perfect Day? Yeah, Outside is a great
song. But there's a lot of other great songs on that too. You
know David Billie Sing's the backup vocal on Satellite of Love. Yeah, they
share studios. They did a lot of work together. Amazing. Yeah,
he's in with all those Indie Wa Hall people. I mean, I'm sorry,
I don't get it. You know, you can't get everything. I
don't get Elvis Costello, sorry Lewis, but I don't get lou Reid.
I don't get the velvet on ground. So many times they're trying to listen
to not get it, to not get it. They thought that the Boston
Tea Party was the best venue they've ever played in. What of it underground?
The Boston Tea Party? Oh man, that's I do that their home
venue. I used to go there. I saw so many This is a
little It was an old church. It's right next to Fenway Park. It
was an old church in like a storefront church. And you win, and
you know, I saw the Kinks there. I saw Santana there, saw
Bonny and Delaney with Eric Clapton, BB King. BB King and his orchestra
were there. We were just blown away. You know, it's like really
kind of opening up the Doorstoll. But they used to pass out pills for
free on the line and everything's really responsible some of the stuff that went on
there, you know, the sixties. But light shows were cool. Light
shows were knots. Yeah, it was. It was really freaky place.
Man, that was we got He's the thing when you would you. Well,
we were in this room once where people get their faces painted, okay,
and someone lit off a firecracker in this place, which is crazy,
right. So the bouncer comes over to me and my friend and we're not
involved, and he opens up the door and he goes get out and he
pushes us out and we're on the railroad tracks that go right a behind the
mass Pike there and it's pouring rain and you can't get out of there.
We had a walk for like miles to anyway. That was my memory,
exactly what you're talking about. But yeah, yeah, nice place, you
know, I mean back in the day. So I'm just saying. The
last thing I'm I'm going to say is I don't know about Desert Island albums.
You know, you want to say you want to bring the Beatles and
stuff like that, but you don't want to get you know, you want
to bring something that you don't get sick of listening to. And I and
now I am being a stop. But we talked about Miles Davis earlier.
It just in the past two or three months. Listening to his songs,
they never get tired, they never get old, the way that he put
it together. It's very complicated, but it's still kind of uh, you
know, it kind of attracts my attention whatever and everyone in his band.
That was another thing about him. I mean it wone remembers him was like
a really bad guy. And you know, he was a real mean guy
for sure, but he had reasons to be like that for the most part.
But he always had unbelievable musicians in his band. He went out of
his way and he paid them a lot of money. Miles Davis did not
grow up poor. He grew up very rich and East Saint Louis. His
father was a dentist. He drove up Dragua during the depression. His father
did so. When he went to Juliet and the you know, the teachers
saying, well, you know, to play the blues have to be down
there, you have to suffer, you have to you know, basically pick
the cot in yourself. He says, Now you don't you know, I'm
from a millionaires family, you know, and any and he changed the way
they thought about it. So interesting guy in his late stuff, his early
stuff, I don't know, but in the eighties when he embraced electronic music
and stuff, great just great. You know, I never thought I'd be
one to fall for it, but I did so. And also the tipping
point by Tears, Sophias and tre you Tully, you agree with me?
Right? Can't recommend it? Well, I mean surprise out of the blow
great album. Hm, he's thinking I got to give it another triy Mac.
I'm sorry, I gotta get but I was working today while I was
listening to it. I couldn't give it my full attention. Okay, I
mean, I'm we'll cut this out. Don't worry you cut this uh,
you know, big fan of the early stuff, but it's uh and that's
not to say nostalsa just taking over, you know, my subjective thought,
objective thought. But yeah, I got to listen to it again. Well
it's well, you know, to cut back in. Yes, it's amazing,
Mac, it's incredible's album. Okay. You know it came out in
twenty twenty two. We have two versions, okay, perfect. So anyway,
all right, we got to wrap this up. So I'm going to
have to say goodbye to let me start with Matt. I have to start
with you, okay, because uh oh, I should step a walm on.
He has to go to bed, but never mind. So Matt,
thanks for joining us. We really appreciate it. Pleasure. We're going to
clap you off, as they say, and we won't edit that out.
So yeah, let us know when the HBO special is going to be on,
and uh, you know, we'll talk to you real soon. What
you say, the weather is now beautiful out there? Yeah, yeah,
it's five twelve in the afternoon. The sun is up and bright, and
it's hard to feel despair in California. That's okay. I think that's why
I'm thankful for living here, but I I'm just I'd like to be somewhere
else, but it's hard to feel sadness with all this damn sunshine. Yeah,
yeah, that's tough to take. That's okay, man, Thank you,
Thank you for carrying the Bruden there. You're mad, Bruce. Thank
you very much, Bruce. Yeah, thank you, Bruce. It was
it was my pleasure. This was a lot of fun. I'd like to
do it again. Really my pleasure meeting you guys. And I know your
audience can't see us, but I'm uh. Matt and Trevor have great heads
of hair, and it really was a pleasure meeting you. Guys. Yeah,
you know, Mac and Lowis is always good scene. It's good to
see you. Thanks, Bruce. Thank you, Bruce. We'll talk to
you very much. You're awesome, Bruce. It's great meeting you. Yeah.
Yeah, Tucker, time for us to say goodbye now that you haven't
made by I love I truly do. I love this show so much.
But I'm just gonna take this moment to remind people I was fired from flesh
Light. So there's anybody from the adult sex toy community that you know,
any openings in that industry? I mean, I'm I'm your guy. No,
I guess okay, there you go. Make sure your update your profile
on LinkedIn. I'm sure. Oh Lois is e the laughing and crying,
I can't tell I took my head off idea. I didn't hear any of
this. It's fine. I'm used to both something. Okay. One one
Raven about that? Did you did you know if I Raven then I got
fired from flesh Light? Yeah? I know right after we wrap on this
episode. Yeah, she may help me out. One one, thank you
for joining us. One one, thank you for joining us. The Chips
of the Fish welcome, sirs. Pleasure all mine. It's happy to contribute
and happy to be part of the show. Is that a fake background behind
you? Is that an electronic background? Yes, that's my that's my old
bookshelf and slash record cabinet below me. You can't see it in the old
house. I missed that shelf system with all my books. And she was
going to say it looked hard with they have books in the background. I
hate to say it, you know, but it's usually I would dress it
up with albums like for some reason, I was well, for many reasons.
I was featuring the Rolling Stones and it's their first US album, or
you know, the New England's England's newest hit makers, the Rolling Stones.
Yeah, yeah, they got so record would tell me on it in Route
sixty six. Yeah, all covers except for telling me yep. Yeah.
They got so popular so quick that they used to play the girls used to
scream so much and them they used to play the theme to Pop Eye and
no one would notice it in the middle of the concerts. They have recordings
on them, so anyway, so listen, all right, thank you all
for joining us. Really had a lot of fun. We'll do it again,
same time next month. Let me do the plugs real quick. First
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