1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,320 Hey everybody, thanks for coming to another episode of Adventures in Angulo. I'm 2 00:00:10,359 --> 00:00:14,039 the host, Aaron Frost. I work with Hero Devs and Ergi Komf and 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,039 a couple of my friends. Today on our panel, we have one of 4 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:21,679 everybody's favorites, Brian Love. How's it going? Where are you at today? 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,679 I am in Austria, in a small town in the Alps called Saint 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,039 Johan m Pangau. I might be butchering that. I'm sorry if I did. 7 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:35,600 Anybody who's Austrian or German? Yeah, time here in the Alps. 8 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:41,280 Oh thanks. It sounded like he's yeah, yeah, yeah. For those 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,640 following Brian's adventure, he's now done in mainland Europe and he's on his way 10 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:52,079 down. Sounds like where are you gonna edd Spain? So from here we 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,759 go back to Munich to grab a flight to Barcelona, and then we're gonna 12 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:59,200 spend about two weeks in Spain, but we haven't decided where yet, so 13 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:03,679 and then back to the US. Back to the US A man, yep, 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:10,200 be nice to get back and have some like taco bells. It was 15 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,400 a friend of ours from Munich, I remember, I asked him. I 16 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:15,480 know, I'm going on a little bit of tandag here. But I asked 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,439 him. He had his spouse was from Florida, and you know he went 18 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:22,680 to the States several times to visit family and stuff. And I said, 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,280 I said, so, what's your what's your favorite thing about the United States? 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,200 I kid you not Taco Bell. Shut up. That's his favorite thing. 21 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:36,359 That's all we got. We got, yep, whatever whatever. At 22 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:41,200 this point in time, it's difficult to disagree, right. I thought it 23 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:44,959 was. It was good and I'll never forget that. As our guests today, 24 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:49,959 we have Zama. I guess, Zama, you you're from Dallas. 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,719 You're you're living in Dallas. Yeah, yeah, I'm living in Dallas originally 26 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:59,000 from India from is your Your full name is Mohammed Zama Khan. Yeah, 27 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:09,199 Hamaza For those wondering, Mohammad Zama Khan Khan spelled like Kubla Khan the Conqueror. 28 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,879 Mohammed Zama Khan. That's his Twitter handle if you guys want to go 29 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,199 out and read more about him on Twitter. We wanted to bring you on 30 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,240 because we saw that you just wrote a book and we know you're an open 31 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,080 source contributor. You We're like Hey, let's let's get Zaman and have some 32 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,000 conversations about what he's working on, just to kind of get him to know 33 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,280 get the community to know him a little better. So yesterday, actually, 34 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:38,719 in a really timely tweet, Minko actually tweeted out about your book right right. 35 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,960 He said it was it was a great way to sing Angular through different 36 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,560 contexts. So tell us a little bit about this book. It sounds I've 37 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,759 heard this isn't the first time I've heard someone say it was good. Tell 38 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,280 tell us kind of what what are you talking about in this book? So 39 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:57,280 what I do here in this book it takes a different approach for programming, 40 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:04,240 especially Angler. It takes you from the different projects perspective rather than you know, 41 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,400 concept perspective. It takes you in the first chapter it introduces some basic 42 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:13,599 you know setup for how you can set up Angler, how you can install 43 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,680 Angler Cli, Angler Console, which is really good for beginners to begin with. 44 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,240 And then in the first chapter I go with basic project for the building 45 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:29,400 of flash based application where you create flashes and very small project for biginners to 46 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:32,240 get in. And I also try to cover like Angler console in that so 47 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,520 that biginners don't have to go into Angler CLI and learn a lot, and 48 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,520 then I go into something like Angler router by using creating a brand new project 49 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,120 from scratch. And then I go into progressive web apps server, cyber rendering 50 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:53,280 application, ironing application, native scare application and show the users about how they 51 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:59,360 can actually use the whole platform and build coose stuff, not just by learning 52 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:03,000 through product, but also by maybe taking these concepts and applying them in their 53 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:08,560 own projects. That's really cool. I think it's interesting that you mentioned PWAs, 54 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:14,039 so that's something obviously not everybody in the Angular community is leveraging. Perhaps 55 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:17,160 was there a reason why you chose to kind of include that in the book 56 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:24,519 or did it just felt like something natural to you? So some my basic 57 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:29,399 idea was since before I wrote this book, or take took this book, 58 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,600 I worked on a lot of different projects in my company, and I was 59 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,120 able to achieve like I created an Ironic application with couch TB and stuff and 60 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:41,160 was able to build it in like in a month. I know the power 61 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,040 of Angler. Even though like most of my Carrier I have worked in the 62 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,600 recent past, I've been working on React but also developed applications with Angler and 63 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,160 was able to build rapidly and to show that power of how you can create 64 00:04:55,199 --> 00:05:00,040 an application like a progressive a app in a matter of few commands, anglicialized 65 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:10,240 beauty schematics. That was really my understanding was to teach people how easy it 66 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:15,240 is to achieve all these different capabilities and add those things and go from there, 67 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,199 like try to learn and also create some good applications for your app, 68 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:24,759 you know, for your companies and for your own If you're creating your own 69 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:29,120 project, then ye just utilize it. So that's really cool. It is 70 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,519 cool. So with every chapter it sounds or with every concept, it sounds 71 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:39,920 like you kind of have the reader engine new up a new project and then 72 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,000 kind of dive in. I like that approach. Why did you choose to 73 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:45,600 do that approach? Like why did you say, hey, let's not just 74 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,600 do it for the same project, let's build. Yeah, the main thing 75 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,120 was I wanted to cover not just the different uh you know, capabilities, 76 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,560 but I also wanted to use a new component library or something new, like 77 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,360 you know, in our chapter, I bring in a chapter where I use 78 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:04,319 native script, I use NGX translate, so maybe the same eng ex translate 79 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:10,879 can be used in some other chapters and some new cool like uh, complment 80 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,240 libraries like Momentum, Ui, Material Design, Bootstrap, Bulma. Except so 81 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:20,879 I just wanted to put more and more tools for people to like look at 82 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:27,240 different stuff and know about the community, how deep and rich the community is, 83 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,319 and utilize those tools. That's really great. I like that you're bringing 84 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:36,000 in all those different things from the ecosystem right around Angular, Native Script, 85 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:40,879 Ionic. You mentioned the Angular console, especially for you're not comfortable in the 86 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:43,720 terminal. I mean, these are all things that are not you know, 87 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:46,279 shipped by Google, right, but it's part of the larger Angular ecosystem that 88 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,879 really makes the Angler fantastic and a good solution for a lot of projects and 89 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:55,439 companies. And it is all Angular, right, like you're all you're writing 90 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,079 in you know, all of it. But like with Native script, you're 91 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,519 going to bring in some I think they're called tel Tilaric or progress yeah yeah, 92 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,319 Claric, yeah yeah, And so you got to bring in some Telaric 93 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,519 modules. And then if you're doing Ionic, you got to get used to 94 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,199 the on it build stuff, right, So it's probably pretty good to take 95 00:07:15,279 --> 00:07:20,000 those separate just because they're pretty distinct, right, Yeah, Yeah, they're 96 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:26,399 distinct but they also have some similarities. Yeah, what makes them so great 97 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,519 is the framework thing that comes with it. Like, I don't think Native 98 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,480 script would have been such a great tool if Angler wouldn't have been a part 99 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,839 of it. I mean, I know that there is a Manilla JavaScript thing 100 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:42,360 that you can do with native script or use review. But then what gave 101 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:47,240 them a lot of push was having them integrated into the framework and making it 102 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:53,240 easier for development native like Reactnative. I don't think it would have been popular 103 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:57,519 without Reacting. Sure, I think native script you can do like Vanila JS, 104 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,560 and I think XML maybe for like the view layer, but it's pretty 105 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,279 challenging. Angler puts a nice rapper almost, if you will, on top 106 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:07,000 of that, and uh yeah, you know allows you to you know, 107 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:13,160 go faster and to make things easier. So yeah, that's cool. I 108 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,240 was just wondering did we mention the name of the book, the title of 109 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,279 the book, and the publisher and how read you know, readers if they're 110 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:22,720 listening at this point, going oh, this is a really cool book. 111 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,680 I want to get my hands on this. What's the title and the publisher 112 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,120 and how do we go about getting it? It's called Angler Project. It's 113 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,720 published by Fact Publishers and you can find it at Angler projects dot com. 114 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,399 Awesome, thanks Either projects dot com. So I'm certainly wondering this some guesses, 115 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,399 maybe some other readers. You're wondering, how insane do you have to 116 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,200 be to write a book? And then two, how long does it take 117 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,519 to write a book? I decided to do one one time, and it 118 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,960 took me a long time and I never shipped. So I'm just wondering, 119 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:58,840 how long do this? Oh yeah, so that's a story behind it. 120 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:03,080 Like when I got an offer from Fact about writing a book, my wife 121 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:07,559 was expecting, like she was in her beginning. She was like in third 122 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:13,000 or fourth month that we were expecting a baby. And it was really a 123 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,120 challenge for me to like take this project up. And I knew that I 124 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:22,840 could write this book because working on so many multiple Anger projects makes me eligible 125 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:28,120 to write this book. And I could have done a lot of justice to 126 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:33,720 the title of the book. So contributing the community was one of my passion. 127 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:37,679 And I know that writing a book is is a big task that you 128 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,200 will take up, and I took up. And then once my wife, 129 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,519 Dally were I took a four months break, like three or four months break 130 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,440 and then finished my book. But then, yeah, so it's a big 131 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,720 task that you have to take up and think about writing a book. Is 132 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,360 I actually after writing this book, I got a couple of offers for writing 133 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,799 another book. I was like, Okay, not not yet. I have 134 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:09,039 different plans. Maybe way to the kids too exactly girls up. I just 135 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,360 see Zama like baby in hand, MacBook pro on the knee, just kind 136 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,440 of one typeing it out. So when I think I was writing a book, 137 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,519 I feel like it's kind of like selling a multi level marketing, Like 138 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,200 you have to get all your friends on board to like like proof read your 139 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,120 book and give you feedback on your chapters and your examples and stuff. Was 140 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:35,320 that pretty hard or did Pact help make that easy? They made it a 141 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:41,240 very made it a lot better. I mean they have editors and they have 142 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,679 proof readers, et cetera. Doing it write down. Like when I started 143 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,159 writing my book, I was using Anglo seven, and then when when the 144 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,519 book was published, it was Angler eight and I was also taking up NX, 145 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,440 so I exchanged a lot. So I had to like change a lot 146 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:03,080 of stuff by the end. And they really helped me for I mean, 147 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,320 for the first time writer, I would suggest to take a publisher. Maybe 148 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,000 in future, if you're maybe thinking of writing a book, maybe self publishing 149 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,679 might be an option. But for the first time publisher or author, I 150 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,960 would suggest go with the publisher and go with the structure. And yeah, 151 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,240 that's good. Yeah, it's so hard to me, so I'm glad that 152 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,600 you did that, got that assistance from them. Yeah, you mentioned NX. 153 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,879 Is NX also included in the book in one of the projects or one 154 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:33,360 of the chapters. Actually, it's included in a couple of chapters. I 155 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,960 had one chapter where I developed an e commerce application using PWA, and then 156 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:43,320 I took that and converted that into a MONORYPOO application and created an admin application 157 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,919 or on top of it, got it. Then another chapter where I am 158 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,399 I'm trying to teach how to build angler components and how to publish them on 159 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,799 MPM and stuff. I used NX because that makes sense to have a mono 160 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,120 repot where you have a demo application as well as your library application, and 161 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,440 you can have a very good interaction with both of them. That's interesting. 162 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:07,720 I've never thought of using NX for that particular solution. I've always just used 163 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,919 the CLI because it has libs and then it does all the energy packager stuff 164 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,960 for you. That's cool. I'll have to check that out. Yeah, 165 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:20,879 that's cool. Doing this book. Wasn't your first kind of adventure into the 166 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,720 community. It sounds like you've done some open source stuff too. It sounds 167 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:26,320 like me and you are probably gonna have to get in a fight by the 168 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:33,080 time the podcast is over. We have we have kind of a competing open 169 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:35,639 source project. Not competing, I mean we probably I wrote mind, I 170 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,679 didn't know if there was any other out there, so we should see how 171 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,559 many GitHub stars I have. Yeah, well he has way more get ub 172 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,720 stars in mine. He has a good name, all right, and I 173 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:52,600 mean it's a good project. I didn't mean to say anything about so ngx 174 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,519 loadable and what else. I saw something else on the CV. So I 175 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,159 started with Tom Lee. Oh yeah, So I used to work at Cisco 176 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,080 and we used to when I'm used to do Angler dot JS, we used 177 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:11,039 to use formally and we were going to Angler and I wanted to for my 178 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:16,480 own project have a similar kind of a project for Angler two. I started 179 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,879 when Angler two wasn't release candidate, and from release candidate. In one and 180 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:26,039 two there was a really big change, and right like we introduced ENGI modules 181 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,320 and service, I started my Angler two and benches from their building Angler formerly 182 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,240 and worked on it, and then I went into a React project, and 183 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,559 then I slowly reduced my contributions to njx formerly but now looking at the community, 184 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,639 it has twenty thousand downloads per week, which is great. And then 185 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:48,120 I was a bit busy in React community, you know deview context. My 186 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:54,240 company is a digital transformation company working for multiple different clients. Sometimes I work 187 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:56,919 for two clients and stuff, so some of them projects are in Angler, 188 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:05,080 React and mixed. So even though I'm currently developing using React, I know 189 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,120 my peers and I have to do code reviews for people that are working on 190 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:13,399 an Angular and I always saw this thing with codalizer, you know, accessibility 191 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,519 stuff which brings up to me like a lot of people that are working here 192 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,759 are junior and they don't focus on accessibility. And when I used to work 193 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:26,159 on React projects, I know that there are accessibility tools within like a Liner's 194 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:33,200 es lint world, and we didn't have that in Angler. So I tweeted 195 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,399 about it on Twitter and said, okay, do we have something like this 196 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:41,480 or do we have to create a new project, a ts link project for 197 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:46,799 accomplishing this. And I pinked Menco and Vassine and they said, oh, 198 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,679 yeah, we could do this, but we could do this in codelizer, 199 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:52,759 and they asked me to contribute to it. I was like, okay, 200 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:56,519 let's pick that up. It's kind of a different project, like I'm not 201 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,200 used to working with linders and stuff, but I I picked that up and 202 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,200 added like ten different accessibility rules. You can check them out on web dot 203 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:11,840 desk slash angler and the accessibility you know article. You can read it all 204 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:15,919 about what are the different rules and why they were added to the codaalizer. 205 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,879 That's great, and that's on web dot dev. You said, yeah, 206 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,759 that's awesome. Cool, that is really great, man, Codalizer sounds like 207 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:24,879 a hard project to contribute to. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 208 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,720 Yeah, it's kind of like you have to understand the ASTs and stuff. 209 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 But yeah, that was something different. But yeah, it's it's not I 210 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:39,000 mean, Minko developed it like it's maintaining that repositively, so he maintains it 211 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,799 in a very maintainable ways, so it's very contributed as well. That's good. 212 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,279 I think eighty five percent of the people I know have contributed to formally 213 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:50,919 somehow, Like I feel like that's like the most popular open source project of 214 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,320 guests on the show and of my friends. So that one sounds maybe more 215 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,519 doable. But codalizer that sounds intimidating because it's still so much like and it 216 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:07,080 was bill by someone who's so smart, but to your point, maybe he's 217 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,000 smart enough to make it maintainable. He too, right, So yeah, 218 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,519 that's good, that's cool. And then at last, coming to the competitor 219 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,440 library. Oh yeah, yeah, I knew React looadable, which makes it 220 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,919 loading components very easy and simplifies that process. And something that it also gives 221 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:33,840 you is you know showing loading, you know, indicator while something your component 222 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,600 is loading, showing time out, showing preloading your component right like even before 223 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,000 you even show that up. So maybe you have a model which has like 224 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,320 dependency on D three and all that stuff, and it takes a while to 225 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,279 load, so preloading that is a very good feature which we have for routes, 226 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,279 but not for lazyloading components. So yeah, I wanted to build this. 227 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Jake's looadable didn't see and like I didn't even like when I read about 228 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:03,920 it. I was doing React and it was like a revelation for me that 229 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:07,799 oh you could do this and Angler, because I wanted that feature to be 230 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,799 Angler. Yeah, I was like, okay, but this when I read 231 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:18,039 the articles about it, it looks annoying, like it's so complicated to do. 232 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,960 And that's where I was like, okay, we can create a rapper. 233 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,960 I didn't even try to find existing rappers. I just said, okay, 234 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,880 there's React loladable as an example for me to recreate my ngxloadable and try 235 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,240 to create all those features. But in an angular context. Yeah, that's 236 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:40,240 awesome. I'm looking at it. So for those who don't know what it 237 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,599 is, when you want to lazyload something like D three or maybe an Angular 238 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,640 component in Angler, it's super easy. If it's a route change that's happening, 239 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:52,920 right, But like, what if it's in a modal, Like maybe 240 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,160 you've got a model with the PayPal library in it, and like anyone who's 241 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,720 worked with PayPal, that SDK is like big, it's at least as big 242 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,319 as your framework. You don't want to load that, you know, you 243 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,200 want to load that when you open up. I think the best example when 244 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,160 we gave about loading it is not just model, but think about dashboard design. 245 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:15,680 Like you have like fifty different widgets. Maybe the user just wants to 246 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:19,200 show five different widgets. Do you want to load all the fifty different widgets 247 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,960 JavaScript in the bundle of your route and then included or do you want to 248 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,680 you know, just load it on demand, just include five? Yeah, 249 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,599 I agree. And then there's also maybe if you are listening to the network 250 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,160 speed, which is an API in the browser, you might want to load 251 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,920 things immediately if they're fast, but you might want to definitely delay load it 252 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,640 if it's a slow network speed. Right, So there's a lot of reasons 253 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,799 why you would want to not you would want to laserload something other than our 254 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,880 route changes. And so this ngx looadable gives you a library that you don't 255 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,599 have to build. And trust me, it's not easy to do on your 256 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:03,039 own, Like it's eificuly complex to do this thing without JX looadable. And 257 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,759 so that's what this library is good for. It it makes it so that 258 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,920 anyone can kind of have like that that expert level control over the size of 259 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,279 their bundles. And when things get loaded in, so it's really really handy. 260 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:22,039 I think that like always try to update your library, is my I 261 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,720 mean, you learn a lot of stuff, like once I developed. I 262 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:27,559 think that I developed this library in February and then I was like, Okay, 263 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,319 I think I covered most of my features that I wanted to look into 264 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,400 this library for and then I think I stopped my development for two or three 265 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:41,039 months, and then last month I picked up the stat okay, can we 266 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,720 make this better? And I came up with version two, where in version 267 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,680 one you had requirement for like adding the lazy modules that way to the Angler 268 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,519 Jason, etcetera. And version two you don't even have to do that. 269 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,519 I use chematics to make it even better so that you just run and g 270 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,680 generally and Jake's looadable module to create them all that for you. And it 271 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:08,720 doesn't includes that in Anglo Jason. So it's cool. It's really cool that 272 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:15,279 Anglosia gives you all these capabilities to make things easier. It doesn't make it 273 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,680 easier, right, right, that's awesome. That's a lot of open source 274 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,279 stuff. So I guess I'm gonna ask a couple other questions. Do you 275 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,599 have like a crazy stack Overflow score two sounds like no. You know, 276 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:32,799 you never know people who are as passionate indid you sometimes they're like two million. 277 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,039 I was like overflow r. I figured it has Besides this, I 278 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:41,000 mean, what else have you been up to? Are you at conferences and 279 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,359 stuff? I haven't been to any conference as yet, but I'm planning for 280 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:52,880 enng cons next year hopefully nice nice that's right? Is open? Right? 281 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,440 Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah, CSPs I open. I submitted a couple of 282 00:20:56,519 --> 00:21:02,880 them. I'm planning to submit more, hoping something from that side. Even 283 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,839 if not, like, I will try my company to you know, get 284 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,519 me there next year. Hopefully very cool. You definitely get there. It's 285 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:15,240 a lot of fun, it is, Brian. You're teaching a workshop there 286 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:18,799 this year. I am. I'm doing the Today workshop before the conference, 287 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,720 and that'll be on Angular fundamentals. So if you're you're new to Angular and 288 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:26,759 you kind of want to learn all the ins and outs about Angular and RxJS 289 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:32,440 and everything that goes into the Angular framework, come joint it. It's really 290 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:36,480 great to be a part of the community. Like it's not just like conferences 291 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:40,279 or podcasts, but like things like workshops, are really helpful, like teaching 292 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:45,680 getting people into the room and getting teaching them the fundamentals and teaching them how 293 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:49,799 to do stuff from scratch. It's really important. I think that would be 294 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,079 great Anglo fundamentals looking up for that. Yeah yeah, I was like, 295 00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:03,759 you don't need to be there, but for anybody listening there class, you're 296 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,480 doing no, you're doing what to workshops. So what I saw, you 297 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,599 know, Brocky and I it was like, weird, We're like, let's 298 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:15,119 do an observables class. Nice brocking Now we were like, we're like, 299 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,119 we're gonna do an observables class where we kind of go through you know, 300 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,039 zero to hero on absurables. Right. Yeah, yeah, today, Like 301 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,720 everyone has their own way of teaching, and I've seen absorbable from different speakers 302 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,640 and different angle and I think everyone for us brings a different perspective, Like 303 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,160 he brings some promises and then teaches that and it's really interesting. Yeah. 304 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:40,039 So we're hoping that we can peel it back a little bit easier for everybody. 305 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,640 And the important thing about teaching observables, at least in this course is 306 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,680 they're difficult not only to learn, but they're hard to explain. So part 307 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:53,160 of this is helping others be better at teaching observables. It's not just about 308 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,680 teaching the class to learn it to use abserbles. It's not also about teaching 309 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,640 developers like us to teach them better because we're not very good. Like do 310 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:06,079 either of you guys remember when you were first learning RX and someone was like, 311 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,279 hey, what is an array of numbers array of click events in common? 312 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:19,599 And you're like, nothing, they they have nothing on in five dimensions 313 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,920 in common. They're they're not they're not nothing common. They're in an array. 314 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,160 That's it. That's it. And then the instructor's like, nope, 315 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:37,119 there that's not even an answer, like anyway, So that's not a way 316 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,640 to teach it. So there's better. We got to get better at teaching 317 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,960 these things too, So that's good. I like that anyway. So we're 318 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,680 doing a two down that, but we're also doing a one day on reactive 319 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:51,079 angular because I personally think that's the most important skill for a you developers to 320 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,960 kind of masters being reactive. Are you going to be in two places at 321 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,720 once? Is there usually only two days of workshops? So I have a 322 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:02,319 twin brother, so no, I know that I know that, but so 323 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,400 I didn't know that he was a developer. Day one, I'm with Brocky, 324 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,000 and then day two I might go do my own thing. Oh got 325 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:11,759 it, and then he'll just y he'll be yeah, yea yeah ever yeah 326 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:15,200 by himself, Okay, got it? Yeah yeah, So it'll be fun. 327 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,440 I was wondering how you're gonna do that. But Reactive Angular it's gonna 328 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,319 be it's it's gonna be an amazing class. Like people are gonna walk in 329 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:25,680 wondering, what did you know? What does that word even mean? Reactive 330 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,880 and they'll walk up No. Yeah, but there's a lot of good workshops. 331 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,240 I feel like we just derailed the podcast. But I'm gonna keep once 332 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:36,400 that. Now that it's off the rails, I'm gonna keep going down this 333 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:41,079 path. Tara, she's gonna be there giving a jam stack yep, I 334 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,759 saw that, like Angular, John and Dan. Obviously you've got three architects, 335 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:49,079 three days actually three days of workshops. Oh I didn't know that. 336 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,240 Oh wow, there's one on Sunday. Wow. So yeah, they've got 337 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,240 a Sunday one. They'll be the only one on a Monday Tuesday. So 338 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,599 they've got three days of classes. And then you've got uh Ionic. I 339 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,880 saw that the geniuses from NARWAL will be there. Mike Hardington's the Ionic guy, 340 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,200 by the way. I was just gonna ask me Mike's doing Ionic, 341 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:14,279 and then Jeff and Victor are doing an ex mono repos. I think Victor 342 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:17,599 may not be there. I think he's got some, you know, exciting 343 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,839 family stuff going on, so he's he's probably not going to be there, 344 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:25,240 but Jeff will be there. And I guess the main contributor from not from 345 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,200 NX will be there too. I'm trying to remember his name. I think 346 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,799 it's yes, Jason Y. Yeah, he's awesome. I think Jason will 347 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:33,200 be there too. So it was good. It was good. That's good. 348 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,640 Brandon Roberts and Mike Ryan they'll be doing two day in jr X by 349 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,680 the Creators in j X, which would be good. Some great workshops, 350 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,200 Yeah, lots of good workshops, bro. And those tickets are available now 351 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,079 or why Okay, already on sale, so buy before they run out. 352 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,400 But yeah, and then in like the next week or so, we're gonna 353 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,599 announce the theme of the conference. We haven't announce it's also on this concurrently, 354 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,200 right, the discount sold out and so it's kind of on like regular 355 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,079 ticket prices. So so yeah, so what if I already bought my ticket 356 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,880 and I'm listening to this podcast and I'm saying, oh, I really want 357 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,759 to go to this workshop. Can I go back and still get a workshop 358 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:14,440 ticket? Or am I kind of sold out at this point? You know 359 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,079 it? Just go buy the tickets. Like if you're local and you just 360 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,160 want to go to the workshop, or you you just want to go to 361 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,920 the workshop and other conference, yeah okay, yeah, yeah cool. Workshops 362 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,319 just kind of a separate ticketed item, so yeah, buy it on Yeah, 363 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,920 and if you don't want to go to all three days or just you 364 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,599 don't want to go to it, you only want to go to one or 365 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,400 two or whatever, just buy those as well. So there are individual day 366 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,039 tickets too for the workshops, yeah, not for the conference. Yeah yeah, 367 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:44,880 the conference is just a single ticket, right yeah, So Zama, 368 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,319 what else? What else are you working on? Man? Like? What 369 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,839 else keeps you wake at night besides your book and your baby? So can 370 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,240 only like, uh, I'm trying to improve the library that I said, 371 00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:00,960 and Jakes Loo, but like I have a Vision three coming up, So 372 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,519 what I want to do is utilize ivy angler ivy in that and we know 373 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,640 that modules are not required in version nine for laserloading components. I want to 374 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,079 explode that area and see how we can improve that. I know that the 375 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,119 ivy API is not public enough so that you can create wrappers around it, 376 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:27,880 and it should be stable by probably Angler ten. But then I'm just playing 377 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,680 with it and saying where we can take this library to make it much better, 378 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,799 and like not even requiring a module to be created for laserloaded a component. 379 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,440 That's really exciting. Yeah, I'd love to if you get a chance 380 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,119 to write a blog post about that, or you know, kind of teach 381 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,680 the community and what you learned. A lot of US blogger at angcon am 382 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:55,160 a Engi Coon Champaigon by the way. Nice, Yeah, that's awesome. 383 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,000 Well I look forward to seeing that blog post. Then. Yeah, I 384 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:03,079 feel like I got to go work on my loader now, Like I feel 385 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,960 like you're calling me out. Yeah, I mean I think I created an 386 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,519 issue for on your library and asked you to like implement a bunch of stuff 387 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:22,720 like time out sloading indicator. All right, is that issue open or exactly? 388 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:33,519 I'm probably open. It's open life's too busy. Uh, maybe you're 389 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,799 going to get some anonymous tickets or your libraries. Actually, I think it's 390 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,680 it's a great use of this month. As you probably have heard about Hacktoberfest 391 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,839 going on this month. In my library, I created a bunch of issues 392 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,799 with with the labels as hackaber Fest, and a lot of people actually help 393 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,279 you, like like they came up and helped me. So it's really great, 394 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,440 Like just use that mame, like try to get some new contributors too. 395 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,359 It's a great idea, good suggestion. That's a great idea. So 396 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:11,720 I'm also saw Brocky and just saying and justin doing some had table fest on 397 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,279 their quitch account last week. Oh nice, yeah, nice fun. So 398 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,319 zom, I have a question. So you've created and engither formally. I 399 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,200 know that's used. I've used it in a couple of production and applications at 400 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:29,599 large enterprises, and you've got all these projects some kind of cures. What's 401 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,079 been the biggest challenge maybe that you've run into when writing your own library and 402 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,680 publishing it and getting out there? Is it? The is it building it? 403 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,920 You know? I've heard from some people and I've built a very small 404 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,559 library myself, and sometimes the typescript declarations and all the all the typescript stuff 405 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,400 can be very difficult with all the generics and everything. Or is it the 406 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,240 publishing process or is it like the maintenance, like kind of can you give 407 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:56,039 us a little clue, you know, if I'm interested in contributing to open 408 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,079 source, what are some of the struggles that you've you've kind of faced as 409 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,640 part of this. So firstly, publishing is one thing that you have to 410 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,680 understand how version works. I can give you an example like where I made 411 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:14,519 a small issue and it's all the process. Like you should do open source 412 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,960 not for the sake of doing open source, but also for learning stuff. 413 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,640 So that's where I feel like, you know, contributing to open source will 414 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,519 give you more value where you learn a lot. You learn to see what 415 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,240 a framework can do and what are the possible ways of doing and what's the 416 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:36,160 best way of doing it? And that's where I see the value of open 417 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,960 source and you learn a lot of stuff. Like in NNGX two point zero, 418 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,920 when I was releasing, I created a branch, like I pushed a 419 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,759 new version called two point zero point zero alpha zero, and I didn't know 420 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200 that I have to like put a flat called alpha to push it. And 421 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:56,680 then I saw like people who are using it coming and creating issues saying, 422 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,119 oh, why does it say it's not working now? So there was a 423 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,720 breaking change in that alpha version. People automatically when the NPM installed, they 424 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,839 got the latest version. So basically you learn a lot of stuff, Like 425 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,799 publishing is one thing that you learn. Like it's so when I was developing 426 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,359 formally and there was like Angler was a release candidate, and we didn't know 427 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:25,119 how to dynamically load the component. You know how formally works it It basically 428 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,079 dynamically loads your you know, all the components in place for you where you 429 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:34,799 just provide a configuration for the form. You just say you just have an 430 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,920 area of objects and say what are the different form feels, et cetera, 431 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,119 And then on runtime, formally actually dynamically loads that up and shows that on 432 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,640 the screen. So when it was Angler to release candidate, you didn't had 433 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:56,359 that much visibility about what are the different internals of Anglo and how to achieve 434 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,079 things. Yeah, once you learn those things, you will get So if 435 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,400 you are a programmer, you actually you know, get to an expert level 436 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,599 where you understand some things which are not normally known, so I think that's 437 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,839 very important. Like just go ahead if you have an idea, if you 438 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,880 have a passion for building something, then start implementing it. And then even 439 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,640 if you don't know that how to do some stuff, you will learn it. 440 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:27,039 I mean, there would be ways of school learn. Yep, that 441 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,559 was really great advice. I like it. Yeah, that's fantastic. There's 442 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,920 a lot of people out there wondering these questions, so I'm glad that you're 443 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,000 giving such good answers. There's a lot of people who are looking to the 444 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,759 first time contributor, so thanks for thanks for coming on and talking about that. 445 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,240 It's also like just go to Hacktoberfest and just select typescripped and maybe search 446 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:53,200 for Angler on GitHub with Hacktoba label and then try to contribute to those repositories 447 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:58,000 and open source projects. I mean that that would be very good, good 448 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,599 for your new time open source developers who wants to focus on Angeler. And 449 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,000 there are things like first time only label. They are like up for grabs, 450 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,839 issue hub at your way people can and find it. Yeah that's cool. 451 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:15,359 Yeah, that's awesome. I haven't been to octoberfest dot com. So 452 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,359 I should probably give them and check it out. So if anyone wants to 453 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,640 kind of reach out to you online and engage with you, what's the best 454 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,079 place for them to get a hold of you? Twitter? I think I'm 455 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,440 trying to get more into Twitter. So yeah, you can find me at 456 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,279 Mohammed Zamakhan. And the only thing in my Twitter handle is that you could 457 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,200 I couldn't have like double M in my name because of the length of my 458 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,519 Twitter account, so it's basically instead of m M, so it's Mohammed Zamakhan. 459 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,799 Okay, awesome. Cool. So if anyone wants to reach out did 460 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,799 him on Twitter? All right? Let's uh, let's move on to z 461 00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:57,720 pics. Brian, you got any picture you want to start with? You 462 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,880 you go? I got one pick and related to NGICOMF right, So we've 463 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,599 talked about workshops, we talked about the CFPO being open. So my pick 464 00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:10,559 is the live office hours and I imagine Ar you're heavily involved with that. 465 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,400 So that's October fourteenth at twelve pm Mountain time, and there's a link you 466 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,880 go up on what YouTube dot com search for NGI COMF and I think there's 467 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,239 like a video, it's like set up already. Yeah, I'm sure if 468 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,199 you follow ERGCOMF on Twitter, you'll be tweeting out the link to that as 469 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,039 well. So if you're if you're listening to the podcast and you're like, 470 00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:35,239 hey, you know this is awesome. I want to speak at NGI COOMF. 471 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,599 I'm interested in submitting a proposal. What do I do? How do 472 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:43,559 I get started? What's important? What's not important? Kind of that process. 473 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,599 Aaron and the organizers will take you kind of through that, right, 474 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,760 Yeah, definitely, we'll try and we'll try and make it easier. It's 475 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,880 kind of nerve wrecking, if we could be honest, like it makes me 476 00:34:53,000 --> 00:35:00,000 nervous. Nice submit talks and we're trying to make it as least scary as 477 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,440 possible. So we're trying to do an office hours where I don't care if 478 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,400 it's your first time or your one hundredth time. You can come ask questions 479 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:13,199 about hey, what should I do? And the questions can be like are 480 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,599 you going to pay for my flight? Right? And and one valid question 481 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,679 is valid question, it's a seriously, are you going to help coach me? 482 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,000 Yeah? We are. We have a professional speaker coach, are you 483 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:29,079 going to are you gonna review my slides? Yeah, definitely. We won't 484 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,559 let any sides go on stage without making sure that it's like approved content that 485 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,920 isn't gonna kind of offend the community. And so yeah, like there's there's 486 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,559 a lot you could ask, how should I structure my talk? How should 487 00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,719 I structure my my submission? There's a lot of questions, and so we're 488 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,639 there to kind of answer them and make it as easy as we can. 489 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,840 And we do kind of assume that role of know it alls that you can 490 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,679 ask questions too, and and that kind of might come across as weird, 491 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,800 but we are. We are just there to try and help us all. 492 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,119 So yeah, yeah, yep, that's definitely my pick. I remember that 493 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,039 you probably don't know this, Aaron. This was before I think i'd even 494 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,440 met you. I watched like The Office Hours, I think in twenty seventeen 495 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,039 or something, because I was so intimidated to even submit. I was just 496 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,519 like, no, nobody wants to hear what I have to say, right, 497 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,559 nobody cares, or or here's the other one. It's like, oh 498 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:21,159 that's already been done, or I'm not the expert in this or you can 499 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,559 talk yourself out of submitting. So right, and so I watched those office 500 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,960 hours, and I'm I'm here to even say, like I did not submit 501 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:31,159 that year because I was like, nah, I'm not going to do it, 502 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:37,079 even after going to the office hours. But then the next year I 503 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:40,280 got the courage did it and submitted and and so it's a great experience. 504 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,159 So certainly check that out. Yeah, don't pull the rip cord. Definitely 505 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,440 submit, just submit, win in doubt. Submit right, because here's the 506 00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,559 fact there's probably on every topic twenty talks. So you're just gonna be one 507 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:59,559 of twenty. It's not like you're it's not like we only want one submission 508 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,639 for each time. Oh there's a router talk no more submissions, like, 509 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,639 no, we actually want twenty and well, well we'll pick the one that 510 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,480 we think represents the community the best, you know. So right, And 511 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,320 what's the deadline? So I know it's open. Now, what do I 512 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,719 have until like December or something now? Or you have till January third? 513 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,199 Yeah, Well that's right. You mentioned that that's right through the holidays right 514 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,280 now. We like people to take that that, you know, the holiday 515 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,519 break and they get through and kind of finish up their ideas and then sure, 516 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,400 I think it's also good for people like since angler IVY is coming out, 517 00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:37,280 maybe yeah and hack it some you know, APIs and yeah, cool 518 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,119 stuff the new talks. Yeah, that's a good point if you're if you're 519 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,840 just sitting there right now, I'm glad you said that, Zama, and 520 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,920 you're like, what should I talk about? I'm telling you everyone wants to 521 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,679 know about IVY. YEP, myself included. If you create a brand new 522 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,400 project with the a UCLI right now, it's turned on in a your nine. 523 00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,840 So go create a new project and start buggering with it and come up 524 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,719 with a talk title like come up with yeah, teacher learn. Yeah. 525 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,599 You know, like there's only any one conference one NTI coff where IVY was 526 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:13,800 new, and you can get those new IVY talks, and so this is 527 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,079 kind of the first one. It's the only one you're gonna get a chance 528 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:20,639 to do that, So definitely do that. That's my suggestion is to definitely 529 00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,280 do an intro the IVY Beginner IVY X, you know, something like that 530 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:29,079 type talk, because this was the only time that's going to be like a 531 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,480 valid topic level so yeah, anyway, Yeah, good pick. I'm gonna 532 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,800 I'm gonna move on my picks. So this is the pick that kind of 533 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,320 keeps me a little bit same, Brian, anymore of the days are a 534 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,880 little bit weird twenty sixteen. It seems like it was forty five years ago. 535 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,480 The last two years have gone by a little bit slow for me. 536 00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:52,360 So Late Night with Seth Myers that's my pick. It keeps me fresh a 537 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,679 lot of days. And uh so Late Night with Seth Myers is my pick? 538 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,440 Is he the one that does it's a closer? Uh? Yeah, 539 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:07,679 it's look, it's so good. I love that man. Yeah, so 540 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,800 he ties it together at the end. So well, his writers are fantastic. 541 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,159 So anyway, absolutely, yeah. With John Stewart going on on Seth 542 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,880 Myers is probably he's pretty that So I'm gonna pick Seth Myers. I was 543 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,239 also going to pick the office hours. I think by the time this podcast 544 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,880 goes out, the office hours will have gone out earlier that morning, so 545 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,320 I think, well maybe actually I think this goes out on Monday, and 546 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,199 the part the office hours Monday noons, so so I'm not actually sure. 547 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,679 If you're listening to this, it might be too eight, but try and 548 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,800 get down the office hours. So yeah, those are my picks, Ma, 549 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,199 you have any picks for the community. Yeah, I saw a new 550 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:52,239 to eight from Dominic Elm. He created this library called NJX Tempede stream and 551 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,440 there you can actually use emojis. Instead of like n GAF and n G 552 00:39:55,639 --> 00:40:00,039 four and stuff like, you can use emojis and it's called hacking the Angler 553 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:04,880 compiler. He has slides up there and you can go through the slides and 554 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,639 they're really awesome. That's awesome. I love Dominic. He's so cool. 555 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,719 Yeah, I mean, especially when they deal thanks with machine learning and start. 556 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,119 It's really amazing because I kind of love that space of machine learning and 557 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,440 stuff. I'm thinking of doing something that tends to flow dot ja, so 558 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:27,760 yeah, great. I got a chance a few months ago to kind of 559 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,920 work with on a project too. I think he's fantastic. I really really 560 00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,840 like Dominic. I'm glad you picked that. Yeah, go check out that 561 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,239 talk all weak to the slides in the show notes so people can go find 562 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,760 those slides. All right, Well, Zama, thanks for coming on. 563 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,239 Brian, thanks for taking time away from your vacation to be on the podcast 564 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,519 of course, happy to be here and to the listener I will say thanks 565 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:53,920 and we will see you next time. Please