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in the UK and around the world. All right, Dad will be one

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Travick have broken head on alder right
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There are one thousand UFO sightings reported
around the world every month. Ninety percent

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of these sightings can be explained,
but ten percent cannot. Officially and unofficially,

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the US military has been investigating the
UFOs since nineteen forty seven. They're

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top secret goal is to mind out
what's behind these unexplained sightings. The Pentagon

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classifies them as unusual airborne anomalies,
but a better term is X files.

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Join us now as Mac one one
and Commander Cobra explore these unsolved cases UFO

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incidents that baffle even the US military. This is mac Maloney's Military X Files

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and now here's mac maloney. Well, good evening, everyone, and welcome

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to mac Maloney's Military Staw Show here
in the distant thunder radio nowhere. This

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is mac maloney. By what a
show we have for you tonight. But

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first let me introduce you to the
members of the posse. Girls, get

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ready, sit yourselves down, get
your fan, get your miss to,

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get your big box of wipes,
you your big box of Kleenex, and

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your big box of wife, your
squeegee, and you lou because he's here,

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the very famous Juan One. Monny, how you doing? Hi Mac?

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Hi? Everyone? Bestly the girls, how are you tonight? One

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one across the puddle in England?
Glad to be here, glad to be

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anywhere? Actually, okay, all
right, when's the last time he had

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fish and chips today? Yes?
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close to node. No, okay, that's good. It's good breakfast food.

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Okay, let me put my shades
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bit more sense, all right.
So anyway, we are waiting on a

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national correspond in switch Plad Steve One, but our security chief Willie Club not

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here tonight at the Celtics game.
At the Celtics game, Celtics are like

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something like twenty nine and three and
they're playing the San Antonio Spurs and they

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are three and twenty nine or something
like that. Should be a good game.

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Also, no Coco out this save
in the world, but up there

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and Upstating almost gave it away up
there in Sideways New York favorite good witch,

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Raven, Raven, how are you
tonight, Rave? Finn? Hi,

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my friends, thank you so much
for having me. I'm doing great.

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Okay. You've got snow. You
got this big snowstorm that everyone in

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the northeast got right, sure did. And and you have a you have

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your hat on, of course I
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get very cold. I also have
a blanket on, and I have like

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three layers of shirts on. Really
yeah, okay, all right, some

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guys signed that sexually also with us
in the studio with is your vote mechanic

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out right now? Though? Well? Hey Mac, are you doing?

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Hello? Everyone? I haven't had
fishing chips in a while, so I

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haven't either. But now I want
I'm gonna get to the park, lind.

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I want it so bad, Parkland
shore of the Galley one of the

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too. So anyway, well,
we do have an interesting show for you

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tonight. I hope Raven has report
in a little while on the Puria State

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Hospital. Is at it that is
crackt? Wow? Huh must be a

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swinging place? Is it still open? Yes? Okay, but no,

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yes, just what you need in
a mental hospital. And then coming up

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after a short break, we're going
to have a good friend, Doctor Bob

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is going to be on telling us
what he's been up to lately in the

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Chicago very cool place. And Switch
has a report that we're looking forward to

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as well. So let me just
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things, okay, you don't mind. First of all, we started this

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last week for anyone out there who
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charity of the show. If anyone
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houses for disabled veterans. And then
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rip up the oilers, they give
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house, and these heroes can go
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normal wives. Let me put it
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you donate more than twenty dollars to
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sure which one, but an autograph
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bucks to Homestad Troops gets your free
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put you that you listen to the
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with us. Just a double check, and off we go. Okay,

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let's see next week we're going to
be doing a special show on a book

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that I have coming out with our
buddy Mike. Is a poola called what

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is it? Oh, how to
Dump a Body at Sea and Not get

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caught? The Al Ferrari Story.
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body at Sea and not get cott? Yes, that's the name of it,

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folks. And we're going to have
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with lots of uh guests stopping in. I guess you could say so on

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that'll be next week and the book
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on Amazon as of when you're hearing
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had a big pre sale as it
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but officially goes on Seal by the
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Ashley and so how to dump a
body at sea and not get cot That

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won't be the last time you hear
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Anyway, let's see people have been
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just so happy that Rave in his
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she's blushing, but they're so nice. I really appreciate it. People missed

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you. Let's see, and we
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weeks about the music that is on
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what happens is sometimes we don't come
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allotted to put the show on,
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hundred and fifteen minutes. Sometimes when
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music at the end. People want
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The music is by sky Club,
which is a band that I'm pot of.

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I guess you could say also with
myke poolin Omni Castanell, who's Paul

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McCartney sax player, and also Elvis
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studios in Boston, very famous play. I said, that's Sky Club that

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you hear. I'm not sure exactly
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but thanks to reading in glad you
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emails. Okay, all that's out
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of weird things I just saw on
the news. So this James Webb telescope

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which they launched, you know,
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took years for the launch and they
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Let me break in here just to
say, playing one one tonight is

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doctor Bob Gross. Let's let's bring
one right now? Please? Okay,

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let's put it. You know,
well, dog, you're gonna get nominated

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Front of a Watch the best were
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one. That's that's what they say. Yeah, is it really? Oh?

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I was just trying to be nice. I shouldn't have said, okay,

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so he's joining us tonight too as
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bring you in on this because I
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say, wow, what is going
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this web telescope is just this unbelievably
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so many things. It can see
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to rethink, you know, how
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also look at these exoplanets, which
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you know, and it can look
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they can detect what kind of chemicals
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and if they detect carbon dioxide a
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a big, big clue that might
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planet, because no matter where you
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two things to survive. Else they
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has to be a certain amount of
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mean, no matter where you are, you're going to need some kind of

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fire, combustion, so on and
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these kind of different things. So
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that out in way, out in
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Earth, they've discovered this thing that
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about this, doctor bomb? This
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this thing is so enormous. Let
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numbers, okay, So like,
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of light is one hundred and eighty
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miles a second. Okay, one
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and eighty six thousand miles per second. A light year is six trillion miles,

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okay, six trillion miles. This
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it's actually a ring, is one
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okay, one point three billion light
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string of galaxies that are in a
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the fact, one of the fact, one of the things is what's blowing

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their minds is that this thing is
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principles, you know, and out
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everything is homogeneous. As the kids
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all there is is water. Okay. You know there might be you know,

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deeper water somewhere that might be shallow
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it's mostly all water. You couldn't
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ocean that goes up to twenty miles
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would they go in a ring?
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know, I mean it's speculating,
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that. There are just unbelievably advanced
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for power. Think about that,
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new thing. But now they find
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one. There's another one about the
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and just the way that galaxies in
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formed and stuff. I mean,
you know that's what people get doctor it's

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about. But the thing is is
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should not exist, and they just
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out of space since you know,
like Einstein. So the thing is with

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technology is that you know, this
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some cool things, but it's going
to just blow a lot of things out

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of the water, right, doctor
Bob, like a lot of ye old

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times says. And there's one after
it that's going to the NASA is going

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to and launch even do more of
a job. But there's stuff that's happened

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right now they never thought they find, right yep. Yeah, absolutely why

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I disagree with some of the scientists
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Lobe, Yeah, say that they
cannot you know, the whole concept of

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alternate physics. I think you're going
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because we only know about five percent
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Right. And see that's the thing
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of I mean, you know,
Columbus disguised America. There were still people

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back in Europe one hundred years later
denying that it happened because it's the old

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school is so hot to get rid
of the belief system. You know,

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yes, but this is but things
like the James Would telescope makes you do

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that. It's very hard. You
know, there's a lot of these intracted

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guys at colleges. They don't want
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to lose the tendent come out and
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But there's this one point three billion
light year of megastructure out there that has

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no explanation. It should not exist. And in fact, like some of

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the you know, the galaxies are
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right then they're supposed to be.
They're supposed to Yes, we never

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we may never find extraterrestrial life because
they'd never get here. Yeah, to

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see that's that's the distance between is
just so crazy that there's no way you're

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going to you're going to reach it
with our rocket ship. You have to

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find a way. Not that's going
near the speed of light. You have

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to go near the speed of light
to get here and to get to the

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next If you went to the speed
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it's twenty nine thousand years. So
you know, you have to come

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up with something that's just a better
way of transportation. So as I was

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the other, the other thing that
we talked about, you know what,

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why don't we take a quick break
down because they see Switchy has joined us,

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his chauffeur has finally delivered him.
So why don't we take a click

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right now and we'll bring switch in
and we'll be back. Y'are listening to

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Macloney's Ultra style show here on the
Distant Thunder Radio Network. Please stay tune.

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Hey Mac Maloney fans, this is
Pistol Pete and I'm sitting here with

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the one and only Mac Maloney.
Hi Mac, hi pee. Now,

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Mac, you've got a new book
out called How to Dump a Body at

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Sea and Not Get Caught that you
wrote with our pal, famous crime novelist

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Mark Zappula. How did this whole
thing come about? Well, Mack and

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I have this mutual friend that we
would go out having bas with every once

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in a while, and he had
the same twenty stories that he would tell

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us kind of over and over again, and at some point I said,

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you know, we should write these
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into a book. It's such a
crazy title. How'd you come up with

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it? Well, kind of the
same thing. We're in talking to this

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friend of ours one night and he
just said, you know how to get

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rid of a body at sea?
And I get caught, And of course

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we didn't know, and so he
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the book. But I can say
that it involves a lot of chaninling fence

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and some crabs. Al Mac.
You gave me an advanced copy of the

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book, and like I said before, it's one of the funniest things I've

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ever read. It reminded me of
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track. Thanks Peter. But it
also gives you instructions on how to do

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some pretty shady stuff, stuff not
exactly legal. Well, yeah, the

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book is about the true life adventures
of a druvenoulet Delinklent growing up in Boston

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in the late nineteen eighties, so
you get a lot of the inside stuff,

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like the best way to steal a
ca the best way to burn a

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caa, how to make fake IDs, things like that. But in one

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chapter you actually tell people how to
turn an old, broken down Toyota into

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a brand new rolls Royce in five
easy steps. And it actually works.

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Yeah. I know it's sounds crazy. I didn't believe until I saw the

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proof, but yes, it actually
works. Now. One last question.

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There's a lot of laughs in the
book, but also a lot of pretty

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crazy stuff, legal and illegal.
Is it really all true? It's really

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all true, but on the advice
of publisher, they've asked us not to

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say things beyond that for legal reason. But yes it is altrued. Well

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thanks Mac. That's how to dump
a body at sea and not get caught,

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The Al Ferrari story by Mac and
crime writer Mark Zappula. Get it

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today on Amazon. UFOs are found
in Renaissance art, on ancient coins,

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and etched on cave walls. They're
even reported in the Bible. But more

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surprising is when UFOs have seen the
most in times of war. Through centuries,

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thousands of UFO sidings have been made
by high ranking officials, military pilots,

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and ordinary soldiers. Often, these
fantastic appearances occur at the height of

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great battles, from World War One
to D Day to Korea, Vietnam and

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beyond. Military investigators are baffled why
do UFO sidings spike so drastically during wartime.

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Could it be mistaken aircraft or someone
or something looking in on us.

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In UFOs and Wartime, What they
Didn't want you to Know, Mac Maloney

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chronicles centuries of these incredible sightings and
tries to solve the puzzle of why so

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many UFOs are seen? Whut humanity
is at war? Read about the scareships,

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the ghost planes and the ghost rockets, alien giants in the jungles of

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Vietnam, UFOs controlling our ICBM bases, dogfights with flying saucers during the Gulf

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War, and more. Three hundred
pages of unbelievable stories, along with many

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startling photographs. That's UFOs and Wartime
What they Didn't want You to Know by

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Mac Maloney, On sale at your
local bookstore or on Amazon dot com.

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Welcome back, everyone, to back
Maloney's little track saw show here on the

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distance under Radio Networks is Mac Maloney. Wow, what a show we have

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for you tonight. But let me
reintroduce the members of the policy. Sorry

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girls, were just teasing you at
the beginning. No one one tonight.

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No one one tonight still missed of
moving from one castle to another over there

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in England the UK, but he
will be with us next week. No

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cocoa save in the world. But
a national correspondent, Switchblade, Steve Ward,

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has joined us. And you know
what, let's give switch a roundable

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clause and I'll tell you why.
The reason is is that Club isn't here

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tonight, and I think that Switchy
deserves a week off, so good for

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you, switch Okay, hey,
listen, I could I could take Club

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out and just kick his ass.
A he's fool man, I am.

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I am a pacifist ahead and I
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even though Club probably deserves this.
Oh, I guess there's a faint words

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if you lived in West Virginia,
right, okay, all right, we'll

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let him know I said that.
Okay, well, don't worry. He'll

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listen to the show. He'll the
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this, but this is this is
recorded, so he'll yeah. Yeah,

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yeah, people don't listen. He
doesn't listen to the show. Oh yes,

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he goes out, and Club goes
out and hangs out in front of

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the drug store every day. Yeah, that's what he is. Looking for

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a job. I think looking for
a drink. Looking for a drink makes

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more sense also with us, is
UFO kidding? Out run the album How

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you doing I'm doing great, Mac, you know, just glad to go

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along for the ride here, you
know, yes, okay. And also

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with us is a good friend doctor
Bob out there in Chicago. He did

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a great job imitating the Ray famous
one one in the first segment, How

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are you doing tonight, doctor Bob? How you doing good? Hello Daniel,

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Everyone's good to see you again.
Now you've been real cold out there,

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right, real cold out? Yeah, like twenty one degrees below zero?

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Man, below zero? Holy seventeen
nineteen twenty hellow zero? Did the

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lakes freeze? Do they freeze the
lakes sometimes? Do they? Really?

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Yeah? Huh wow? I do. But you know I've been kicking on

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the lakes too. Oh yeah.
People say, you know what, I'm

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in West by God, Virginia.
I'm south of the Mason Dixon line.

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I moved down from Michigan. Yes, I expect a nice warm southern breezes.

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No freaking eleven degrees really, wow, we have not been. We

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have not been that cold. I've
been knowing, but we haven't been.

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And that's I'm telling you. It's
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Not We're not going to get into
this. But the climate in the

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northeast New England has changed almost radically. Okay, we live in the Boston

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area. It has not. Has
it gone below freezing yet? Yeah,

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but not by much, not by
I mean nothing, nothing like this.

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I mean it probably it has gone
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days there was seventy degrees. We've
we had our first snow in two years

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on Tuesday, okay, and then
and then this massive flooding. I don't

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know if you know. Hampton Beach
in New Hampshire is kind of a you

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know, known spot. It's completely
underwater, it's completely blocked off. People

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can't get in and out. It's
crazy, it's great and this stuff never

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happened before and now it is.
But hey, you don't have to shovel

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it. So sorry guys. So
anyway, did I introduce you Raven?

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You did it? But I think
people know in a minute, stop I'm

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mixing up off here with on here. It's okay, Hi, no,

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no, we just let's let's stop
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here also with us is our favorite
good witch up here in sideways in the

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Raven is with us. Raven how
are you? Hello, my friends?

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Thank you so much for having me. Its great. Just for the people

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wondering she has a hat on there's
a hat tonight. Okay, is that

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a beanie? The kids call that
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And I will give you a signed
copy of one of my kitchen napkins for

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anyone that guesses what is written on
my beanie high quality prize. Okay,

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let's see an autograph napkin from Raven? Now? Can we can we see

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that? Just? It says no? Not that says that? Okay,

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I'm sorry. Okay, Feral Woman. No does it? What's it say?

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Sure? Does? It says feral
Woman? Oh really, really wow?

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I have the same beanie you really
wow? T M I doctor Block.

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It's apparently a thing that Was that
a gift? Do you have one?

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Steve? I have one, it
says mock Man on it. But

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it's somewhere in the basement. It
would take me an hour and a half

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to find it. Okay, good
Feral moth Man. So so was that

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a gift for Raven? I did
did someone give that to you? Or

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did you buy that on your I
bought this for myself a few years ago,

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I was like a little like gift
for myself because I had a bad

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day, so I needed a little
treat. So is the idea to go

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with that? Had and then you
know, like pick up guys and stuff

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like that. Not that you would, but you know, I is that

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what happens? Yeah, guys don't
want me. I'm far I'm far too,

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I'm too far gone. You know, I'm lucky that I got the

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guy that I have bags of email. But you know, say you're wrong.

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But okay, mister raven lucky guy, let's get back to this other

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leggy I switch, now switch.
You're talking off here about breakfasts in general,

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so can we get into you were
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chicks want pictures of me as well, right yeah, sure, yeah,

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okay, yes, Actually we're just
more interested in what you had for breakfast

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today that a lot of people will
say. Yes, okay, well I

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went to tutors tutors again to do
something a little different. Usually I get

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when I go to tutors, Yes, I'm I will wait a while and

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I get really hungry. Okay,
So oftentimes I will order eggs over easy

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bacon and a biscuity, and I
confess I will dip my biscuit into the

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yolk, you know. And I
maybe it's discussing to some people. I

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don't know, but I take okay. But this morning I thought, you

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know, I needed something a little
different, so I asked for UH scrambled

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and that's what was the the what
do they call that? The low car

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breakfast? Okay? Okay? Three
eggs, yes, and I got sausage,

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two sausage patties and along with UH, a biscuit. And listen again,

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these biscuits are huge. I mean, they could actually use these in

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warfare. We could destroy our enemies
in one fell swoop if they just loaded

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these up and shot them all his
high velocity Truder's biscuits. I'm telling you.

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Okay, I was there one day
and one of the skits accidentally fell

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off the table and a guy had
to have knee surgery. Really yeah.

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Now, I also had some hot
black coffee. And the cool thing is

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that, you know, I hate
to admit this, but I have not

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made my own breakfast for a long
time. Really, go to tutors,

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bring a stack, sometimes a stack
of books with one of these pencils,

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you know, the mechanical pencil pencils, make notes in the in the uh,

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these really cool books and a lot
of this stuff ends up in mac

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Maloney's Military ex five. Really,
this is the fringe report. This.

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I'm going to get a bill at
tax time. Yes, he's going to

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try to deduct these some just axes. Okay, we understand it's a long

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road for that for your ten ninety
one right. Let me, but I

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want to say this about is that
a cat? Get that? Oh you

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saw the cat? Well, you're
in soft focus there, Get that thing?

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Get that? You get that freaking
talking about Pharaoh. Yeah, he's

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really enjoying that. But she is
just mac. If you were to meet

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Rosie, your heart would melt.
Listen. I ever heard that before Steve.

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I tried to get him to walk
across the street Anderson. I can't

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remember the name of it, but
it was like snow Queen or whatever.

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And finally the the the this evil
woman for his heart melted because whatever I

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can't remember. What is he talking
about? Is he talking about his cat?

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You would love Rosie? Do you
want to hear my story? Raven

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loves Rosie and she hasn't even Metter
yet. Here's why I don't like cats.

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Okay, can I can I give
you the story? I said,

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I've got I don't know. Listen, I bet I was scared by a

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cat. Okay, and really,
one night when I went to college in

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Boston, Film I moved into an
apartment near the university and someone gave me

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a kitten. Okay, these friends
of mine, this couple, gave me

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a kitten, and I said,
you know, I don't like cats.

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Why would you do this? Okay, So the kittens run around for two

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weeks. He sneak up on me, scratched my face and stuff and run

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away and it was just annoying.
Okay. So after two weeks I bring

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him back to this couple and I
said, I'm really sorry, but you

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know it's I'm away. You know
I'm not home a lot. So I

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give them the cat. Okay.
A year goes by, I don't see

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the cat. I'm in a New
Year's Eve party. One of the things

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I remember is that they rolled the
joint with the paper that came in the

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Cheech and Chong album. Yeah,
right, so it'd be like a yad

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long and take it from me.
That was the least of what was going

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on at that place, right,
So I don't know. Let's say I'm

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on my own little mind trip.
Let's say and we have New Year's Eve

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and we celebrate. Now it's about
two wanting and I'm going back to crash

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at my friend's house, the people
who gave me the cat, and I'm

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with whom my buddies. We're just
going to crash there and then you know,

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leave in the morning. I have
the key, I go up the

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stairs. It's doc. I open
the door and the door opens and there's

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the cat and he's sitting in a
shaft of light coming in through the window.

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Right. It was unbelievable. And
I'm like in another world. As

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the kids say, okay, and
I just stand and I look at him.

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He looks at me. He walks
over to me and throws up on

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my shoe. Right, okay,
point take it. Yeah exactly. I'm

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in the state of affairs that that
was like really really really odd to happen.

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Right now, I'm looking at it, and my friend in backman comes

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in and goes, hey, happy
New Year. It's the year of the

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cat. You know. Since then
that that beautiful little fur ball and said

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I love you Oh, is that
how they do it? Yeah, they

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take They were the latest he would
have been. I lived. I live

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across the street from mac. I've
tried to get him to come across a

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ten foot right away to come in
and meet my cats. Make your cat.

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Well you've seen them in the passing. If you actually saw them for

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a minute and get to they're the
sweetest thing. Cats are so freaking cute

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and they are the nicest cat.
Just talk away. I'm cutting this out,

407
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,640
Hey, doctor Bob, you don't
have a cat? Told you something?

408
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:48,480
No, that was I was in
Stone, So do not cut that

409
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,759
out, doctor Bob. Do you
have cats? You hate? Cats?

410
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,640
You hate? Don't have any pass
right now. A couple of cock roaches

411
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,039
I got a little Have you given
them names? Yeah? They can be

412
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:08,160
and they're tasty too. There's a
lot of protein. You put them in

413
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,480
chocolate. They're supposed to be very
crunchy. Oh my god. A hotel

414
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:19,920
I went to in Vegas sold those. They had chocolate covered cockroaches and chocolate

415
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:29,519
covered scorpions. O's Oh god,
it was well, it was probably right,

416
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:36,440
would be evil enough to do that
company. When I lived in and

417
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,039
worked in Dallas, Texas, We
used to have really large cockroaches, yes,

418
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:44,240
yes, in the office where I
was, and we used to diaper

419
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:52,200
them with like napkins and paper to
put them back out. Is back years

420
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,480
ago. I was in Central America
in Belize, which used to be British

421
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,960
on Duras go ahead, change and
I was a buddy of mine was actually

422
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:08,839
his uncle was the Roman Catholic bishop
in Belief. Yes, and we stayed

423
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,720
at the presbytery with a priest.
Were well at night. There were these

424
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,279
cockroaches and been run up and down
the whole way. Cats would play with

425
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,559
them. I mean these things were
half the same. Yes, yes,

426
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:29,519
yes, if you've been down the
southern Florida you will see very much information

427
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,000
cockroach. I remember being in the
commode and one of these giant suckers had

428
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,279
to stop by, and I looked
at him. We made eye contact and

429
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:44,920
I thought, no, this is
not good. And he probably thought the

430
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,079
same thing. So don't worry switch. I'm sure he did in Florida.

431
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,359
In Florida, don't they call him
palmetto bugs or something something. I walked

432
00:33:52,400 --> 00:34:00,839
into the big cockroach huge. Oh
everywhere in the South, like we went

433
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,720
to outer banks and my friends have
them down there, and they're just like

434
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:09,039
outing about chilling. Right. They
don't do anything the size of squirrels.

435
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,519
But I mean, I certainly don't
want them in my home, but I'm

436
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,239
not moving down south anytimes. No
a squirrel, but you can tell they're

437
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,719
not a squirrel because they don't have
that bushy tail. That's true. You

438
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,159
know. I've been down to southern
Pots of Flower because that's where Lowes's family

439
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,320
is now located, and it's like
Jurassic Park down there. We were.

440
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,320
I mean, first of all,
there's all these like little gecko lizards running

441
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,119
around and stuff. And then they
get these like really weird birds. You

442
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:45,599
go into the intra coastal and you
see those manatees or do you ever see

443
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,360
a manatee. It's like a it's
like a cow underwater. It's it's like

444
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:57,400
this huge and and they have a
lot of lizards down there. Okay,

445
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,360
and these lizards are what do you
call the iguana lizards. They're economous,

446
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,760
so like small allegator. They're just
wild too, and they're wild. And

447
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:14,480
also I just read the other day
Florida has sixteen million alligators. Now,

448
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,760
the thing about these iguanas is that
they'll climb up into like a palm tree

449
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,760
at night, okay, when it's
warm, and then because they're cold blooded,

450
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,280
they kind of freeze and they don't
and they're not active until the sun

451
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,880
comes hits them. They fall out
of the trees, right, They just

452
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,960
like fall out of the tree.
It's like getting hit with a cement block,

453
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,880
and it's it's a freaking monster out
there. That place is. You

454
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,880
know, I know a lot of
people down there who are you know,

455
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,519
are friends of mine. But how
you live in Florida? And then there's

456
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:52,280
Florida Man, right, Florida Man. Every every day there's a headline Florida

457
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,679
man eats alligator, and you know, Florida man, you know, drives,

458
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,280
you know, do something crazy.
Are you at the occasional Florida woman

459
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:07,920
absurd story that follows? Right?
Yeah? Yeah, no not really,

460
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:13,280
but the alligators is the thing that, you know, I'd be most concerned.

461
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,400
I've stayed down on oh what's the
island down off the very very end

462
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,440
Santa Belt, and a guy that
I knew had houses on Santa Bell.

463
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,199
He said, go down and stay
for Christmas, stay for a week,

464
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,639
whatever. And we drove down and
I'm sitting on this uh really kind of

465
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,480
rickety dock in the backyard, and
there was like a waterway and my feet

466
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,840
are dangling, and you know,
we're sitting there watching it. And then

467
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:42,880
I picked my legs up and we're
getting ready to leave it and an alligator

468
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,519
swims by and my feet were hanging
four inches above the water where he just

469
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:51,760
swam by, and he well,
I'm thinking, you know, he could

470
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,480
have just if he was a few
seconds earlier, he could have taken a

471
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,719
grab at a leg and then they'd
be no one to pick up the tablet

472
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,400
that stop a galling and there you
go. Anyway, So I just I

473
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,159
just want to go back to Switch
for one moment minute, because he sends

474
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,239
me these photos occasionally when he's eating
his breakfast knowing that I mean, you

475
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,880
know, like a half a cucumber
for lunch and an unsalted salt team And

476
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,480
the other day, Mac, I
have to tell you, I had this

477
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:24,159
gorgeous looking breakfast and I thought,
no, not going to send this to

478
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,400
Mac. He might actually undergo his
own demise. Wow, he can't have

479
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,480
this, But yeah, thank you
Switching for thinking of me. But he

480
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,719
listen, Mac, I think if
you offer do you really Yeah, well,

481
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,760
oh yeah, that might not be
a good thing. He sent me

482
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,199
a picture of his breakfast, and
you know, the game is, okay,

483
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,280
I can guess the other five pieces
of bacon, you know, three

484
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,360
sausages and so on. And I
said, what's that all on top of

485
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,199
a pancake? And it wasn't it's
this biscuit. This is how he's talk

486
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,159
about these biscuits. They're like they
could be mistaken for pancakes. I had

487
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:08,679
a mac, I had a measured
these biscuits. I only have one at

488
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:17,320
a time. They are one third
the size of Nebraska. Okay, anyway,

489
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,280
so are they bigger than like a
waffle house waffle or about the same

490
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,239
size. Well, listen, Raven, there is that there aren't too many

491
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:30,960
waffle houses close by. I have
to actually drive forty minutes because of the

492
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,159
closest waffle house in West by God, Virginia, which is in the Huntington.

493
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,760
Oh my god, they have this
eleven dollars breakfast that includes a waffle,

494
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:49,119
It includes eggs, it includes I
can't tell you how many things it

495
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,119
includes. And it was just like, even I, who's a glutton,

496
00:38:52,480 --> 00:39:00,800
can't eat the whole damn thing,
and I wish Point Pleasant had a really

497
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:07,920
yeah, but tudis is God's gift
to human beings. Tutors would be pissed

498
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,039
though, Yeah it really is.
And I'm not religious, but I would

499
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:17,360
agree with that one. Do you
have to do? You have to tip

500
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,679
there? Switchy, switch to tip
at the waffle house and Christmas, I

501
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:24,360
think was a Christmas Day when everything
here in Point Pleasant is closed down.

502
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,519
I drove, I drove there's forty
minutes to get to a waffle house because

503
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,559
they were the only thing open on
the planet. Merry Christmas. Yeah,

504
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,880
huh wow uh Now I'm hugy.
Now I want waffles. I want freaking

505
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,239
biscuits, sauzes. Well, anyway, so listen, Raven, you have

506
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,800
a report for us tonight, right, I sure do. Okay, We're

507
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:52,239
ready. We're gonna put your bumper
in right here, and now it's time

508
00:39:52,920 --> 00:40:05,760
for reaving. Go ahead. What
do you have? I have a little

509
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:13,199
story on Peoria State Hospital and this
is in Bartonville, Illinois. So Peoria

510
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:19,039
State Hospital opened in nineteen oh two
and was ominously I'm sorry, I can't

511
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:25,400
say that word, ominously named the
Illinois Asylum for the Incurable Insane It later

512
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,320
did become known as Peoria State Hospital, but that was like the very very

513
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,159
first title for it. The grounds
were set up in what was referred to

514
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,320
as a cottage system by administrator doctor
George A. Zeller, meaning there were

515
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,480
multiple buildings on the property, including
patient and caretaker housing, a store,

516
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:52,559
a bakery, a power station,
a farm area, and four cemeteries.

517
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:58,360
Of the original sixty three buildings on
the property, only thirteen remained today.

518
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,119
The first building on the site was
completed in eighteen ninety seven and was described

519
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:15,360
as a festamal of a foidial feudial
feudial feudal feudal cut all this out,

520
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:23,639
fascimal. I can't say this word
fast. A meal of a feudal castle,

521
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,079
that's what it is. So are
we all on the same page.

522
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:34,599
Good? But it was never inhabited
and was eventually torn down, so the

523
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,840
building looks like a castle, just
so you know. It is speculated that

524
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:44,079
the integrity of the structure was compromised
due to underground mind shafts, so this

525
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:49,719
is where the cottage system came into
play. However, another theory was presented

526
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,119
in a nineteen twenty seven history of
the Peoria State Hospital archive that states doctor

527
00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Zeller found that building to be quote
wholly out of harmony with modern ideas for

528
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,880
the care of the insane end quote. So I want to talk about doctor

529
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,440
Zeller. When I think of an
insane asylum, my mind immediately goes to

530
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:15,440
the horrible mistreatment of the mentally ill
throughout history, experimental and risky procedures,

531
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:22,800
under medicated or over medicated, or
on the opposite spectrum, absolute neglect.

532
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:28,880
But doctor Zeller was different. He
was considered a pioneer in mental health and

533
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,320
advocated for dignified human care, something
that we often don't even see today.

534
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,400
So doctor Zeller removed the restraints and
the window bars to make the patients feel

535
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,320
more at ease, and it was
even reported that he repurposed the window bars

536
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,280
and made a zoo for the patients
and the families to enjoy while visiting.

537
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,000
So this guy was like way ahead
of his time. By the late nineteen

538
00:42:54,039 --> 00:43:00,360
twenties, the resident population grew to
thirteen thousand people. Due to the high

539
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,599
patient load, it was often a
challenge to care for the unclaimed bodies,

540
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,119
so sadly, many patients died under
the hospital's care that had no family to

541
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:15,039
claim them. Doctor Zeller made the
decision to form a burial corp. This

542
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:22,400
was made up of hospital staff and
patients and this burial sorry. This group

543
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:28,360
buried the unclaimed bodies on the hospital
grounds to ensure every patient had a final

544
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,679
resting place. In total, approximately
four thousand unclaimed patients were buried on the

545
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,079
property. This brings us to the
star of the show. I have a

546
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:45,840
ghost called Old Book. He was
also sometimes referred to as a Bookbinder,

547
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:53,000
so first initial A and then last
named Bookbinder and his Elm tree. So

548
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:57,559
Old Book was a well liked patient
at the hospital that was assigned to the

549
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,480
burial crew. I wasn't able to
determine what he was there for or where

550
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:07,320
his name came from, but he, I'm assuming was there for quite some

551
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,159
time. It is said that Old
Book wept at every interment, moaning under

552
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,320
a nearby elm tree. Because Old
Book was so well liked, his own

553
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,199
funeral was very well attended. It
said that four hundred people came to pay

554
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:30,639
their respects. So the story goes
the Old Book was seen weeping and moaning

555
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,719
at his favorite graveyard, Elm during
his own funeral. However, when his

556
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,719
coffin was opened by the attendants who
were like, you know what is happening?

557
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:46,559
The whaling stopped and Old Book was
laying inside the coffin weird right yes.

558
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:53,880
Wow. Soon after Old Book was
buried, the graveyard elm began to

559
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,960
wither. It is said that it
decayed so much that near its end it

560
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,639
actually resembled human skeleton. A crew
was assembled to remove the dead tree,

561
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,320
but upon the first swing of the
axe allowed whale cried out from it.

562
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:13,880
The crew tried to remove it quite
a few times. They even attempted to

563
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,320
light it on fire at one point, but the screams and whales that emitted

564
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,440
from the elm were so severe that
they were always scared away. Years later,

565
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:27,320
Old Books tree was struck by lightning
and it fell over, and that

566
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,960
was when it was finally removed.
In nineteen seventy three, the hospital closed

567
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,119
its doors for good. Since its
closure, many buildings have either been demolished

568
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:43,920
or converted into businesses. So in
twenty thirteen, the Peoria State Hospital Museum

569
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:49,480
was established. They were able to
acquire three buildings on the property and they

570
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:54,599
host historical and paranormal tours, vendor
bazaars, and halloween attractions. Today,

571
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:01,360
visitors regularly report strange happenings, including
hearing knocking, banging and whispers, seeing

572
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:08,920
full blown apparitions, and witnessing radios
turning on by themselves and the channels changed

573
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:15,519
to religious or country stations and the
volume increases. That tells you something.

574
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:22,800
Okay. So the cemetery still remains
as well. And as for Old Book,

575
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,800
he this is really sad. He
went in decades without a proper grave

576
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,920
marker. And in twenty ten a
former hospital employee erected a memorial to honor

577
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,880
their former patient. So if you're
in the Bartonville area, you know,

578
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,920
check out the museum. Let me
know what you think, or if you

579
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,079
experience anything, or if you see
Old Book hanging out anywhere. Wow,

580
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:50,480
and that is the Peoria State Hospital. Wow. Wow. And it's a

581
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:54,159
tourist attraction. That's funny. Let's
get raven al. We're scaring the show.

582
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,519
So you know, they just found
there's some state prison, I think

583
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,840
in Missus Zippy. They just found
like a thousand bodies buried you in the

584
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,440
backyard. You know, because a
lot of people who wound up in those

585
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,679
places, especially years ago, they're
kind of abandoned by their families. I

586
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,559
mean, that's that's just it.
And when you die, they they bury

587
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,039
you. That's what like hit me
so hard about this one was because like

588
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:22,440
doctors, Elher seemed like he really
cared and he didn't want them to just

589
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:24,800
end up, you know, down
a body shoot somewhere right, yeah,

590
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:29,159
in a pile, you know,
like he did bury them. There's a

591
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:34,199
place, there's a place near us
in Danvers, Massachusetts. That is was

592
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,960
a state hospital up on a on
a very high hill. It's kind of

593
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,800
funny, about halfway from Boston to
New Hampshire, which is about a forty

594
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,320
mile ride, about halfway twenty miles
outside of town. Up in this hill

595
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,800
was this state hospital, damned state
hospital. And growing up, as you

596
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,320
know, as a kid, all
I can remember my mother saying, you're

597
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,280
gonna, you know, bring me
the Davis, but you know, not

598
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:04,400
me my brothers. So way,
it was a creepy, creepy looking place.

599
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:08,119
It looked like this old you know, just jails. Anyway, so

600
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:14,000
they closed it, finally closed it, and then they throw down some of

601
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:17,480
it, left some of it up, and they built condos up there.

602
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,079
And the condos are so haunted.
They've been on all these ghost work shows

603
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:28,079
and stuff. One one used to
work up there putting in computers. He

604
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,400
says, it's a creepy place.
I guess the original buildings are really really

605
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,039
very creepy, and the new buildings, you know, they catch on fire

606
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,679
and stuff like that. But when
you go in, when you buy a

607
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:44,480
place, the management gives you a
pillow that has embroidered on a boo you

608
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:49,360
know. Haha. You probably know
it's probably a way of signing some kind

609
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,679
of release form. But yeah,
just sight. And so they found when

610
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:57,280
they went up there to you know, build the condos, they found you

611
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,719
know, several dozen bodies you know, just you know, kind of buried

612
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,639
and held the skelter out there,
you know. So Wow, I liked

613
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:07,719
it. I don't know, like
I don't like it, you know,

614
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,920
but I mean it's interesting. I
said, like, historically the mentally ill

615
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,760
were treated not good at all,
and this was like the opposite. Yeah.

616
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:22,480
Sure, I did a field investigation
in Indiana in a one of those

617
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:28,119
type of hospitals. Yeah, and
I had to sign I did have to

618
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:32,360
sign a release before I could do
the investigation with a team of scientists.

619
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:38,199
Wow. Yeah, And it was
this really a strange place and they had

620
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:45,400
a I was doing experiments with something
called the extended bulb technique on a thirty

621
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:52,079
five millimeter camera where the bulb held
the shutter open, and I got When

622
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:57,400
I got back and had the film
analyzed, they were all kinds of strange,

623
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,840
like these these glowing eyes down the
these hallways. Well, see a

624
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,039
prison cell in the second floor,
And at four o'clock in the morning,

625
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:12,960
I went up and I took,
you know, experiment of taking that type

626
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,280
of photograph. When I got back, there was this thing in the cell.

627
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:23,440
When I had to develop that,
it looked like a big soccer ball

628
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:30,079
size candy black cotton candy ball.
Wow. And I had to analyze by

629
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:34,480
four specialists and they said, yeah, there's nothing wrong with the camera,

630
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,719
nothing wrong with the film, but
this that, whatever that was, it

631
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,320
looked like it was manifesting itself in
that cell. Remember the story I just

632
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,639
told about the cat who threw up
on my show. Yes, that night

633
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:51,880
I saw a fifty pound above of
cotton candy. As it turned Yeah,

634
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:59,719
Saturday evening it was feral too.
I think I'm here. So wow.

635
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:05,199
So we've talked about this before.
Is that you know it seems like places

636
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:15,280
where people meet an uncomfortable end.
Battlefields, mental institutions, prisons, okay,

637
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:22,159
seem more attractive to ghosts. Yeah, what Switches said, So I

638
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,760
mean is that is that is that
kind of like ground zero for a lot

639
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,639
of ghosts, you know, I
mean that whole idea if you if you

640
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,000
leave this world in a violent manner, you don't quite make it over to

641
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,639
the next step. You're kind of
stuck here, you know, who knows

642
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,239
what, right, But it does
seem like go ahead, Raven. I

643
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,280
don't know if that's like the rule, you know, because I think that

644
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:52,880
anyone whatever whatever, goes on afterwards, you know, I think that there's

645
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:59,519
like a to a certain degree,
maybe a choice where you can stay if

646
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:07,239
you want, because I know when
I go, I am haunting the Okay,

647
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,039
there's no way I'm not going to
haunt him. If he thinks that

648
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:16,320
he's gonna find another wife. Wow, Okay, we're going to hang out.

649
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:23,639
Okay. But yeah, I don't
I don't shut into the rule or

650
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:25,800
whatever it is, but I mean, I'm not I don't know if you

651
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,960
guys know this. I'm not a
ghost, so I can't tell. But

652
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,320
it does seem like there's a pattern
I will say of uh people that meet

653
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:43,039
are very violent or disturbing and that
hangout and it's like they like, uh

654
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,880
like in like this. I don't
want to spoil this, but in the

655
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,039
sixth sense, when you know,
like he doesn't know he's dead. I

656
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,440
guess some movie came out in the
nineties. It's like, if you haven't

657
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,960
seen it, that's net. But
it could be that too. Yeah,

658
00:52:54,039 --> 00:53:00,199
yep, I mean you you we've
once agin We've talked about this before too.

659
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:06,559
It's like ghosts exists, well,
if only one ghost story is true

660
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:09,760
throughout all of history, all the
people have seen ghosts having come only you

661
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,639
only need one of them to be
true for ghosts to be you know true.

662
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,880
You know, same thing with UFOs. My question is, is so

663
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:24,679
we hear of ghosts in mental institutions, prisons, things like that. But

664
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,599
is that just because we're looking for
them there? You know what I mean?

665
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,159
Maybe they're just everywhere we just happened
to. Oh yeah, there's gonna

666
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:35,719
be ghosts at a closed down mental
institution, Yes, there, But you

667
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,480
know, maybe they're in everybody's house
maybe, you know what I mean,

668
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:43,480
It depends on what went on there. But I've done several field investigations with

669
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,079
teams of scientists and you know,
we talked a little bit about this before,

670
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,320
and we also took equipment in there
when we did the investigations. I

671
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,639
probably did a half a dozen,
you know, eight investigations. Well,

672
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:06,480
yes, something happened at each place
investigating. Yeah, I saw evidence of

673
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,639
things I walked up to. I
have no idea what they were. Is

674
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:16,760
there a common thread or is it
different in every place? Uh? I

675
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:23,440
think the common thread is that the
people who are investigating are ready for that

676
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:30,519
kind of experience. Yeah, yes, well, yeah it does. I

677
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,760
mean if you're in that business.
Yeah. Wow, that's that's cool about

678
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,039
Bob. So thank you, Raven. We've already clapped for you. Let's

679
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:43,719
clap for again. I think it's
worth Come on, we're going to take

680
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,119
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696
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,559
have for you tonight. Let me
introduce you almost a skeleton gang tonight.

697
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:52,079
Let me start in the studio here, uh UFO mechanic Alvin now though now

698
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,480
hey Mac, Hello everyone, No
one one tonight girl. Sorry, he's

699
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:04,159
uh still in the process of moving
castles. All upset because the Duchess of

700
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,960
York, Kate Middleton in the hospital
today. Rushed to the hospital. I

701
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,760
hope it's nothing serious because frankly,
she's the best looking one in that family

702
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,960
for like generations. Right, you're
gonna change, you know, you have

703
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:22,960
to change the gene pool there,
and she's at the forefront. I hope

704
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:28,039
she's okay. He'll be with us
next week. No cocoa. Tonight's save

705
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:32,320
in the world, but our national
correspondence switchway Steve Ward and a particularly jolly

706
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:38,960
mood because club is in here tonight
switching. Well, I won't come in

707
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:43,719
on that. But listen, who
needs one one? I mean wow,

708
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:49,719
I mean I mean really wow.
I provoked attack on love. You'll be

709
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,199
back next week or the week after, No big deal. Huh Okay,

710
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,079
Switches, that's the one switch.
Switch. All you need to do is

711
00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:01,239
get some twinkies and some donuts off
and you just hold them up and you

712
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:07,639
can take care of uh. You
know club real well, you're filling these

713
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:10,159
shoes. No, but some reason
switch is attacking one one. I don't

714
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:15,239
get it. In the uh the
drama of the show. Listen you we

715
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:24,239
you know one one I loved one
one like a sister. Yeah, we

716
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:32,199
don't need cobra wow which Raven?
Yesmatic, But listen, Steve's on a

717
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:38,519
roll tonight. We're doing Okay,
where are the we are the skeleton crew?

718
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:46,320
Sell games? I'm giving Yeah,
Okay, there's the tattoo? Everyone

719
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:52,519
boom god? So anyway, one
for this other thing. I was going

720
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:54,639
to mention, I've introduced everyone,
right, No, no, no,

721
00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:01,039
Raven? Why do I keep forgetting
you? Raven? Why speak? It's

722
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:07,440
a Freudian thing? Maybe the thank
you? Can I say something? Mad?

723
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:13,280
Go ahead? A lady I know
named Brandy who lives Brandy way up

724
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,000
in the Great White North. Okay, really happy that Raven is back?

725
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,920
Really well? Yeah yeah, we
get emails all the time. Believe me.

726
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:27,800
Her legion of fans is glad that
she's back. Let me ask you

727
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,760
something that switchy does Brandy? Is
it with an eye at the end or

728
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,079
why it's an I? Okay?
Interested? Does she does she chop it

729
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:40,119
off with a hot does she?
What does she put up that I wouldn't

730
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:46,920
know? Really? She is a
huge fan of this show. That is

731
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:52,079
no ship okay, all right,
all right, when you say great white

732
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,639
not if you're talking about Canada,
our friends of Canada. Well, it's

733
00:59:54,760 --> 01:00:00,199
it's like almost it might be northern
Wisconsin, but really the same thing.

734
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:07,519
Right, be specific, because this
young lady is very uh private, and

735
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,119
I don't know if she says private, is Agent X's private? Well,

736
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:19,039
okay, all right, I'd use
another word, absolutely true. She is

737
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:23,880
a huge fan of you. A
lot of people are fans of Raven.

738
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,199
I mean, I've been in the
show for eight years. I get like

739
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,719
two, you know, fan letters
in the eight years. She gets,

740
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:37,760
uh, several weeks. Anyway,
the Rose among the Thorns, Doctor Bob,

741
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,960
Doctor Bob was with us tonight.
Doctor Bob grows down there very chilly

742
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:46,360
Chicago, as it turns out,
still a toddling town. Correct, it's

743
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,559
titling. Yes, it's also shaking, but it's titling. Okay, all

744
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:57,000
right? Can they say briefly?
West by God, Virginia this morning eleven

745
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:04,880
freaking degrees. I was looking for
the was nice warm. No, you're

746
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,199
in the north, you know,
you just happen to be. You're up

747
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:12,440
here with us, man, You're
got to go below the Carolinas to hear

748
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,480
that, you know, to feel
that warm southern breeze, that ye didn't

749
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,960
go far enough? Right, Yeah, you have to keep going. When

750
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,360
I woke up, it was four
here, So I mean, I guess

751
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:27,760
at least you got double digits.
They go switchy. Other people are suffering,

752
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,400
not just you, doctor Bob.
First of all, where's that marijuana

753
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:36,079
prescription you were going to send us? Is that dead dead un arrival?

754
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:40,000
No, but I'm uh, it's
taken a while for me to make sure

755
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,360
everything's okay to send you. Okay, okay, quotes, Okay, I

756
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:49,840
understand he's waking at all. Right, So listen, you've been you're working

757
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,559
on two books simultaneously. Correct three? Actually three? What's the matter with

758
01:01:54,599 --> 01:02:00,679
you? I've got nothing better to
do. I had so cold. Neither

759
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,599
do wive that. I've been doing
it for thirty years. So I saw

760
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,920
a dog frozen to a fire hydrant
yesterday. Oh wait a minute, I

761
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:17,559
thought material, how cold was it? So? Anyway, wow, So

762
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:22,559
one of the give us the title
of one of the musical related books that

763
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,199
you I got a couple of books
going there. There are just books and

764
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:30,639
progress. Ah, I thought you
might enjoy us. I've been studying this

765
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:34,280
for a while. But the title
of this, it's a book, and

766
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,000
it looks like it's going to be
a Pulitzer prise winner. Probably go ahead,

767
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,639
that'd be nice. The title of
it is the best part of being

768
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:51,159
human is the ability to experience music
and unidentified anomalous phenomena. Wow, huh,

769
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:53,519
Okay, it's a multiple, but
that's cool. They like long titles

770
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:58,639
these days. So before you start, you did tell us you came on

771
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:01,800
the show about a year ago and
told us blew my mind that. You

772
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:07,480
know. Let's say, once we
get settled on Mas, the atmosphere in

773
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:14,480
Mas is such that if a symphony
orchestra played or rock band played, everything

774
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,960
wouldn't arrive at our ears at the
same time, right, The base would

775
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:22,440
be delayed or something be right acoustically, Yeah, is that that's right?

776
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:27,519
Right? Yes? Because of the
way their you know, atmosphere works and

777
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:31,400
so forth. If you were listening
to a concert outside, let's say,

778
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:36,960
and I think it was the high
frequencies, like if you have an orchestra

779
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,480
there to ask flutes, they would
reach you first, and then the bases

780
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:45,199
would reach you and they'd only go
about twenty six feet. Is all a

781
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,760
sound wave would travel on Mars and
then it would drop off, so it

782
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,400
would be unreal. So because there's
no atmosphere, right, doesn't have to

783
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,280
do gravity the atmosphere, but the
atmosphere causes that. Then yeah, yeah,

784
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,480
that's crazy. Okay, please go
ahead. So what's what what's this

785
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:09,199
book about? Well, I was
I was thinking you might enjoyment as being

786
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:13,800
a musician yourself and you I hang
around, I was a professional musician,

787
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,480
I studied filmmaking two and so forth. So I was thinking one night,

788
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,679
there's a connection here because, like
I think we on one of your shows,

789
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:30,039
we talked, I've had like six
encounters with UAPs during my life.

790
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:35,960
Okay, go ahead. So I
started thinking there were some strange things that

791
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:45,079
were happening to me when I was
a kid, and I think that people

792
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:51,119
who some people who are musicians and
tend to be musicians. Yes, there's

793
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:57,840
parallels that are going on between what
you experienced as a musician and what you

794
01:04:58,039 --> 01:05:04,679
experience during a you opinion. Can
I just interrupt just one thing here.

795
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:09,440
I just want to clarify something.
I don't consider myself a musician because I

796
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,159
think you have to be born with
the musician Jeane. But if I hang

797
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:15,599
around with a lot of musicians,
and frankly a lot of them, they're

798
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:18,280
just like dopey, you know what
I mean. And I don't mean that

799
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,400
in a bad way, you know
what I mean. They're never in time.

800
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:27,199
They're just in another world, a
lot of them, especially drummers as

801
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,760
it turns out. So that's why
I'm kind of listening to you and saying,

802
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,000
you know what, Yeah, I
could see some of those people seeing

803
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:36,880
stuff that you know, the general
population doesn't see. Well, yeah,

804
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,000
and I and I'm kind and that's
true. Have you ever heard of something

805
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:45,639
called synath seizure? Uh, let's
say I have, yes, synith sees

806
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,800
go ahead, have you heard of
that? Let's say I have Yeah,

807
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:54,119
Okay, I'll pretend yes. Well, I'll talk a little bit about that.

808
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:57,079
But you you kind of remind me
of myself. Like when I first

809
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:05,199
started in music and I did my
undergraduate work at Duquanne University, they used

810
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:10,840
to refer to me as the Vincent
van go of the music school because I

811
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,039
had no ear. Oh wow,
hold on, all right, that's a

812
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:18,880
thinker, but go ahead, yes, go ahead, So wow, And

813
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,440
I never so I had to dude, have you ever heard something called soul

814
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:30,000
fejio? Well, it's I sound
I've heard half of that. It's it's

815
01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:35,440
a it's a bar Actually no,
it's uh it's like, well you look,

816
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:42,960
it's called ear training exercise. And
I had never done any of that

817
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:47,039
as a kid or whatever. Okay, but uh, you know, I

818
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:50,719
I started figuring, my god,
the things you know, I've I've experienced

819
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:56,920
six UAPs in my lifetime. And
then when I was a kid nine years

820
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,320
old, that's when I got something
called ball lightning, which is still considered

821
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,519
a phenomena. And when I was
when I was nine years old, I

822
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:14,960
got knocked over by ball lightning,
why you you know, and it was

823
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,920
I think it was one of those
farual bolts of ball lightning. Is that

824
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:25,599
word again? That the word tomorrow? But after after that again, I

825
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:30,559
was nine years old and I was
going to a Catholic elementary school and there

826
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:36,360
was a band concert that same spring. I got a knocked every by the

827
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,719
lightning, you know, in in
early spring. And then by late spring,

828
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:46,079
I went to a concert, an
elementary school band concert the school I

829
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:50,880
attended in the cafeteria where they used
to call it a cafetorium. Uh.

830
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:57,800
And that's when I had my first
esthetic experience. Yes, and it was

831
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:01,840
it was an elementary school band playing
the Marines hymns. Yeah, sure,

832
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,239
man, I started having you know
those uh you know, the chills and

833
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:12,400
everything. Oh yeah, really,
yeah, they're okay. It wasn't a

834
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,720
noncoming of and backing with the Board
of Education, was it. I'm not

835
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:21,600
that chills, so so are you
saying that? But but let's just talk

836
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,600
about musicians for a second. You're
a born musician, you were a professional

837
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,039
musician. I mean, do you
do you do you feel that you were

838
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,840
destined to be a musician? Do
you feel well, obviously you have the

839
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:39,119
musicians, Jeane, I don't have
it like the musicians. I think people

840
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:42,880
are born musicians. They have to
be because you see these kids, you

841
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,000
know, these these young Japanese kids
four years old at a grand piano and

842
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:54,119
then playing Mozart flawlessly for twenty minutes. Obviously they've been born to be a

843
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:56,359
musician, right, I mean that
happens, you know what I mean?

844
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,359
Yeah, they are, They're born
with certain and what again here I'm going

845
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:08,000
in my research from the doctor's side. Uh, you've you've heard of something

846
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,560
called perfect pitch. Yes, yes, and those type of things. Uh.

847
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:18,920
Research seems to indicate that if you
start working on that and like training

848
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:26,000
yourself with the soul, fegio and
everything before the age of seven, you're

849
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:32,520
likely to become more of a professional
musician, not so be trained, trained

850
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,079
at an early age to do it. In other words, instead of being

851
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:43,199
born at least the perfect pitch.
And I see, I was finding out.

852
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:48,520
I thought everybody saw these things and
heard these things when I it's not

853
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,399
true. Yeah, funny, funny. That's why. That's why I got

854
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:57,800
me thinking about this and this There
is a link here between people what the

855
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,680
experiences I had as a growing up
as a musician, even you know,

856
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,720
getting knocked over by lightning. Yes, all of that seems to be tied

857
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:12,439
in with the fact that I've seen
six UAPs yes up close. Well,

858
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,279
we stay on the show all the
time. There are people who are more

859
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,239
you know, likely to see a
UFO have some kind of an experience than

860
01:10:19,279 --> 01:10:23,319
other people, Like I've never seen
one, you know, but I know

861
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:26,800
people who have seen one, who
you know, and I believe them obviously,

862
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,039
you know. Music. It's funny
because, as I said before,

863
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:32,720
and I was kind of trying to
be funny, but not really musicians.

864
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:39,119
Musicians are a certain kind of people
and if you know them, you you

865
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:41,039
know, if you know, all
you need to know is like two or

866
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:43,479
three and you realize, oh boy, here we go, right. I

867
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,159
mean, they're just not in the
different kinds of people. And maybe those

868
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:50,279
people you know, just happen to
be people who've see lots of UFOs or

869
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:54,279
something. Well well, yeah,
I mean that's exactly what I'm saying.

870
01:10:54,439 --> 01:11:00,359
Is it's that people are there's something
spooky going on in my appartment. Really,

871
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:09,239
you know, what's what's happening is
like that. Uh, like musicians.

872
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,520
Okay. When I used to I
used to teach music at Penn State,

873
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:15,680
Yes, and I'd always tell my
classes and these are you know,

874
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:23,039
undergraduate classes. Uh. There's only
one place that music can really exist,

875
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:30,199
and that's in your brain, your
mind, because everywhere else just just think

876
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:36,239
of it. You're just hearing sounds. Your brain is turning the sounds into

877
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:40,720
music. Yeah, interesting, yes, yes, yes. And you know,

878
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,800
like I when I was in elementary
school, I didn't know the difference

879
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:50,840
between baroque style music and romantic music
style and classical yes, you know,

880
01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:56,439
now I can nail it about who
wrote it and about what month they wrote

881
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,840
it. Wow, wow wow.
But it's because you're taking in this kind

882
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:08,239
of information and when you think about
music, is the perfect parallel to these

883
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:12,319
people that are having you a p
experience. Yeah, I can see that.

884
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,479
It's unreal. Yeah it is.
Yeah, funny, there would be

885
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,479
a you know, it's also funny. Is that a lot of times we

886
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,920
used to talk about this early in
the show. We used to have people

887
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:27,680
on rock Stars just take you know, your general rockstar. A lot of

888
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,439
them have seen UFOs And I remember
actually we had Paul Cant from Jefferson Starship

889
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,239
on the show once years ago and
I said that to him. I said,

890
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,760
why is that And he said,
well, yeah, we're always flying

891
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,680
around the world. We're always in
the air whatever, you know, And

892
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,720
he had seen somebody said because I'm
moving around, you know, for the

893
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:56,000
past forty years or whatever. But
maybe he was wrong. Maybe musicians see

894
01:12:56,079 --> 01:13:00,239
movie. I mean, yeah,
I mean it's you training brain differently as

895
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:06,239
a musician. And you see,
I'm kind of off topic a little bit,

896
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:11,239
but you know, when I was
I was doing my student teaching down

897
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:15,159
Duqueine just under my undergraduate degree.
I I and I taught in the Hill

898
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,800
District, which was where they did
Hill Street Blues. You remember that movie.

899
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:24,520
That's when that where that took place. Where I did my student teaching,

900
01:13:25,319 --> 01:13:28,880
and when I found out that,
you know, I was doing these

901
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:33,560
sophisio or ear training experiments, okay, yes, to get my ears cleaned

902
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:38,239
out and working better. And one
day I was tuning. I had to

903
01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:42,239
tune the orchestra. Usually you had
a piano there, you know, and

904
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:46,359
I played. It was an acoustic
piano, and you hit the piano key

905
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:50,960
and then you you got a violinist
to play, and then you tune the

906
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:59,119
violinist and the orchestra violin. Well, what happened to me is because I

907
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,880
was working on train my ear because
I didn't have the best ear in the

908
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,399
world. One day, when I
hit the piano to get the A or

909
01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:11,760
whatever I was studenting them with,
I didn't hear just the one sound,

910
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:16,119
the one pitch A from the piano. I heard two or three different overtones

911
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:20,640
as well as the A. So
I was hearing the string vibrating as a

912
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:26,920
whole string and hearing it the sound
from the string vibrating is it halves and

913
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,439
the strings of the string vibrating in
thirds? Did hear them distinctly? Why

914
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:39,000
did that happen? Suddenly? It
was something that I screwed up my brain

915
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:44,680
because I was training my ear so
hard to make myself a better musician.

916
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,560
I was hearing things differently. Yeah, wow, on for years. You

917
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:54,000
can train yourself. That's interesting.
And you know, and so these these

918
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:57,479
kind of things were happening to me, and I thought it was normal.

919
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,600
I thought every every everyone did this. Yeah. Yeah, no, because

920
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:06,640
and and this does happen. In
other words, musicians might not be born,

921
01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:13,760
or people can be born and be
trained to be musicians. Yes,

922
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,880
really, okay, we've break broke
some grounds yet. And when you think

923
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:24,479
about it, the the difference between
average music and great music. Yes are

924
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:29,960
the nuances, Yes, that's yes. And all the good musicians are trained

925
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,800
to hear those nuances. Ye,
you know, And then that's your training

926
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:41,960
your brain. Nobody else does that. I am just a personal aside here,

927
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,760
Sophy. Years and years and years, I never got jazz, never

928
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,520
got it so much so that years
ago I had a jazz show for two

929
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:53,520
years at a college radio station.
Still didn't get I'd play everything, but

930
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,600
I just didn't get it because it
was more of like a rock and roll

931
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:01,840
guy wanted everything to be you know. And then for some reason I went

932
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,039
to go see well not for some
reason, went to go see Kenny Garrett,

933
01:16:05,039 --> 01:16:10,000
who was a guy who played with
Miles Davis. And I looked up

934
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,920
Miles Davis and Kenny Jarrett playing together, and suddenly I got I kind of

935
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:16,800
got it, you know what I
mean, I kind of got it.

936
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,640
Maybe it was through Miles Davis or
whatever, but I kind of you know,

937
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:25,720
now I understand what they're doing.
You know, they're they're just laying

938
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,760
down a basic rhythm section and then
they're improvising constantly over that between each other,

939
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,000
and the interplay is crazy. Those
are very talented people, you know.

940
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:39,880
That's I mean, see what we're
talking about. That's so important because

941
01:16:40,039 --> 01:16:43,279
like I grew up because I grew
up in Pittsburgh and I hung out with

942
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:50,479
jazz musicians because they were crazier than
everybody else. Oh really I needed that.

943
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:56,319
Okay, that craziness. But talking
about okay, have you ever heard

944
01:16:56,359 --> 01:17:02,880
of Don Ellis album called Electric Bath? Oh yeah, yes, yeah,

945
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:09,359
yeah yes, And he had a
trumpet that was had four valves instead of

946
01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:14,000
the three. Yeah, okay,
And the reason he had four valves was

947
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:18,560
because he wasn't you know how in
an uh you have like dough ray me

948
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:21,880
in a in a scale. Sure, and then there's also there's others.

949
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:29,319
There's do ray re ray raw,
There's all these different that are half tones.

950
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,479
Yes, yes, yes, well
don Ellis, his instrument could play

951
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:41,319
quarter tones on a piano. The
slightest difference is called a half tone,

952
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,239
a semi tongue. It's like going
from a sea to a C sharp.

953
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:50,560
Yes, but don Ellis was so
creative and screwed up what he did.

954
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:55,359
He was his instruments could play quarter
tone. That's crazy, that is nuts.

955
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,760
I'm almost understanding what you're saying.
Yeah, I mean that's it's an

956
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,960
almost impossible to do. Jazz musicians
always say we want to play the notes

957
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:08,760
in between everything else. That's exactly
okay. I can can explain that to

958
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,880
you. Like a simple keyboard,
like a piano keyboard, you have like

959
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,399
a white key, which is a
C, and then the next half key

960
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,880
half some above it is black.
It's the C sharp well with the blues,

961
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:29,000
okay, which is jazz's built around
Okay. What the jazz musicians,

962
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:35,119
who's most of them are from African
descent, what they're trying to do in

963
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:40,960
jazz music is when you're playing the
blues, which I played a lot of

964
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,239
blues, what you're trying to do
is get that half step that's in between

965
01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:53,640
B and B flat. And musicians
that are playing the blues will play the

966
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:59,239
pitch B and the pitch B flat
at the same time to try to get

967
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:04,600
that quarter tone that's between. Well
that's that sounded like a B flat?

968
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:10,359
Yeah, B flat? Sneezes.
So those are the nuances we're talking about

969
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,239
in music, right, But that's
what it is, that those those quarter

970
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:18,479
tones and so forth. That's what
all the blues are based on. And

971
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:24,760
pitch, you know, pitch like
going from one pitch to another pitch.

972
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:31,520
That's a socio psychological phenomenon. Pitch
means something different in each culture. Yeah,

973
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,960
funny, Yeah, that's funny.
I mean one of the things I

974
01:19:36,039 --> 01:19:42,399
learned is modulation. Okay, So, and and the example that someone gave

975
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,960
me is Barry Manilow. We're gonna
take a break, So Barry Manelo and

976
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:49,520
a lot of his signs, he'll
modulate at you know with a minute to

977
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,560
go on the song. And basically
what they do is they sing the song

978
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:59,199
in a key, a certain key, and then you modulate up a little

979
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,279
bit and it adds this excitement,
It adds this kind of like life to

980
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:05,439
the song. Exactly, You're you're
singing the same song, you're just in

981
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:11,800
a higher key. And and a
lot of show tunes do that. Yeah.

982
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,479
And then have you heard the term
modes that they used to use instead

983
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,720
before scales and the modes? Well, those modes were originally you get the

984
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:25,720
Aeolian mode and so forth. Yeah, they were named after tribes that existed

985
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,720
back then. Were a really really
crazy sound. You've got the name of

986
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,680
a really crazy tribe like the Aeolians. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

987
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:38,479
really peaceful. You may be called
the Dorias. Wow, that's crazy.

988
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,479
Yeah I never knew that, but
all those names are floating around there.

989
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,439
And I'll just say one thing that
we get to take a break. This

990
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,560
has been great, Bob, who
can talk about this all night? If

991
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,800
you want to hear something example of
modulation, you know, a soign that

992
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:54,479
everyone would listen to is Penny Lane. Okay, Paul mc conn he's like

993
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,319
twenty four years old. He comes
up with this right, and it modulates

994
01:20:58,399 --> 01:21:02,840
eight times. He sings the verse
in a minor key, and then when

995
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,399
he goes to penny lane, it
goes up one and it sounds exciting,

996
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,520
it sounds bright, it sounds,
you know, like stuff is happening,

997
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,199
and then like goes back down to
the lower key. It's it's genius.

998
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:17,920
It's something that you know, shooping. I know one of these Mozart would

999
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,640
do. He did it, and
that's a great example of modulation, going

1000
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:26,479
up and down in keys and makes
the song, makes the song sound sad

1001
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,800
and bright and happy. I mean, but you're right, it's all our

1002
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,720
brain. It's all not don't realize
what's even happening, right, Yeah,

1003
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:36,920
sad, but they don't really know
what's happening. Yeah, yes, well

1004
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,800
yeah, you know, people like
us know what's happening. And a record

1005
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:46,640
producer, Philly rec famous record producer, once told me, chicks dig the

1006
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:53,239
bass. They put a lot of
bass in the songs. Anyway, listen,

1007
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:58,359
those are only feral chickens. Now
hang out, let's let's give like

1008
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,720
the bottle around of applause and run. Well done, Thank you very much,

1009
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,880
doctor Bob. Why don't we take
a spish breakdown and we'll be right

1010
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:10,840
back after this. You're listening to
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1011
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,399
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1012
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:18,560
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1013
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:24,039
and bye bye. Okay, the
show's over. Hey, Kobra, where

1014
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:26,439
are we going to eat tonight?
Well, gentlemen, what do you feel

1015
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,640
like? China eats Italian sushi.
How about we go where they have the

1016
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,439
best hamburger in the world? And
where would that be? One? One

1017
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:36,239
only the Starboard Gally, Starboard Gally. They're a great seafood place. But

1018
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:40,880
they're in Newbury Portant. We're an
Exeter but they're only twenty minutes away down

1019
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,479
Route ninety five. And believe me, they have the best hamburger in the

1020
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:55,039
world. Let's go, okay,
boys, licensed registration. Where's the fire?

1021
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:57,640
You clown's going through the circus?
Where Ina hare you just to get

1022
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,479
the best hamburger in the world?
And where's that? That's the Starboard Galley

1023
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:04,399
you Newbury Gum a great seafood place, yes, but they make a great

1024
01:23:04,399 --> 01:23:09,159
hamberger too. And they start with
the best peak super fresh buns, three

1025
01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:12,680
topics plus it's only twenty minutes of
wea from next to twenty five from Portsman

1026
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:24,000
that with a police Ask Gord,
Buddy Light, I'm up Switchblade, Starboard

1027
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:30,680
Galley, they're here. That's the
Starboard Gally fifty five Water Street and Newberry

1028
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,439
Barton, great seafood and the best
Hamburger in the world. And tell them

1029
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:40,960
one one is that you my dad. He's a double amputee and yuh,

1030
01:23:41,239 --> 01:23:45,279
he's one of my favorite people in
the world. To be a hero is

1031
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,960
someone who fights for a country and
for you. My dad is a hero.

1032
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:53,239
Homes for a Troops built his house
and my dad can get through the

1033
01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:57,840
wide doorways, she can reach anything. Homes for our Troops built and donates

1034
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,880
specially adapted custom homes nationwide severely injured
Post nine eleven veterans and enables them to

1035
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,960
rebuild their lives. Join our mission
at h f O t U s A

1036
01:24:05,079 --> 01:24:43,640
dot Org. Welcome back and we
want to Macloney's mill tracks on the show

1037
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,880
here in the distant Thunder Radio Network. This is Macamaroney. Well, what

1038
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:50,039
a show we have for you tonight. Girls. No One one sorry and

1039
01:24:50,359 --> 01:25:00,079
uh mill skills and gils no coco, but filming now. Filling the void

1040
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:06,960
is our national correspondent, switch Lady, Steve Wood, switchy. Great to

1041
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:15,800
be here filling the void. Almost
in an impish mood because no club tonight,

1042
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:23,399
clubs at the Celtics Center club.
Who yeah, they go there,

1043
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,600
go, there's your there's your T
shirt. But hey, where'd you get

1044
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,880
those glasses? They look like as
you get from Amazon. Yeah, I

1045
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,800
don't get those big lady glasses though. What are those things? I have

1046
01:25:34,119 --> 01:25:39,760
a billion of them and I can
only find maybe one or two when they

1047
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:44,840
enter you need them. Hey,
listen, I had seven of them lined

1048
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,199
up the other day and almost took
a picture and send them to you and

1049
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:50,279
said, you know the critical mass
here, this is it. I've easily

1050
01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:55,119
got fifteen glasses around the house or
in the car. As it turns out.

1051
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:59,520
That's It's funny the way they hide. Yeah, it's almost like they

1052
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,359
are some kind of a rodent that
hides the scuries into little dark places.

1053
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,560
I was going to say, I
was going to say a missing sock.

1054
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,079
But if you want to go to
the road, and that's cool. Also

1055
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:14,039
in the studio with US tonight is
UFO mechanic Ronaldo looking a pulling on his

1056
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:18,199
own. I'm actually checking out the
Boston Celtics score tonight, really and from

1057
01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:20,840
what I can see, and I
don't know pub is at the game,

1058
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:26,560
I don't know anything for what's the
score basket? Well, it seems to

1059
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,199
show the Spurs are fifteen and the
Celtics are eighteen. I okay, that

1060
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:33,279
makes it eighteen or fifteen. Yeah, it just started, but it's the

1061
01:26:33,319 --> 01:26:38,199
first uh whatever, it's six fifty
one. But they better get gone because

1062
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,800
the Celtic is favored by sixteen.
You got to get going there, make

1063
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:49,439
that spread anyway. Also with US
is also with us? Is I good

1064
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:55,359
friend up there in sideways? Yeah, Raven for a favorite good wit Raven,

1065
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,640
Hello, my friends, Thank you
for having me. Glad you're back.

1066
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,960
We get a lot of email glad
that you're back. Are you glad

1067
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,520
you're back? Here? You out
with you know five drug? Yeah for

1068
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,680
sure? Okay, all right,
we'll take I'm not that drunk. We'll

1069
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,439
take your word for it. But
okay, Uh. Doctor Bob is also

1070
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,439
with doctor Bob grows out there in
Chicago. Doctor Bob, how are you?

1071
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,039
Hello? Everyone? Good to be
here. You said earlier that you

1072
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:26,800
had some kind of spooky, uh
situation in your environment there? What's going

1073
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,119
on? I don't know. It
sounds like someone tapping on my walls.

1074
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:36,840
That's not good. The Raven tap
tap tapping on my door? Is there?

1075
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:42,319
How about your neighbors? Are they
crazy? Oh? Most of them?

1076
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:45,640
Okay? Good? The problem solved? Mystery, so saying never more?

1077
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,399
That comes next? Uh, Switchblade? Did I switch you? Did

1078
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:54,359
I introduce you? No? I
didn't down there in flat Tire, West

1079
01:27:54,399 --> 01:28:00,359
Virginia. I remember that switching flat
Hire. It can't be funny all the

1080
01:28:00,399 --> 01:28:04,239
time. She's Louise. I mean, geez, Louise, I haven't heard

1081
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:09,479
that since Kinny gotten all right,
I haven't heard that for like fifty years

1082
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,800
either. So Switchy, for some
reason, you have you have some kind

1083
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,000
of a look tonight. What is
it? It looks like a beat nick

1084
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:18,520
or something. I have a look. Yeah, you have that big glasses,

1085
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,920
the big Carol Channing glasses, and
you get a black hair line.

1086
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,560
I don't know. Let's check with
Raven and she would she thinks if I

1087
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,640
have a look or not? Raven, I mean like it's his signature look.

1088
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,640
I would say it's just classic.
Look it really, I think it

1089
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:40,760
changes it up. Classic switch plan, Steve switch Listen, I am one

1090
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:47,039
classic s ob The only thing that's
missing is a little cat. Yeah,

1091
01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:51,640
we walked the cat. We walk
the cat. No, we don't anyway.

1092
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:57,359
So Switchy has been with is with
us, and let me put his

1093
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:09,439
bumper in right here. And now
it's time for another story from the Lost

1094
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:15,760
Annimals of the Paranormal. It's time
for Steve Ward's report from the Fringe.

1095
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,920
What do you have for us tonight, switch mat do you have any idea

1096
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,680
how many years I've been on this
show? We don't want to have no

1097
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,239
clue? Okay, now, no, no one does. No one knows

1098
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:33,640
that's true. That's one of those
things. Okay. What I have done

1099
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:39,840
tonight I have taken a book by
Nick Redfern. Now, you and Nick

1100
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:46,039
Redfern have actually an association. He
has helped you actually fact checked with some

1101
01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:48,920
of your books. Is that that
true? He did fact he did fact

1102
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,159
checking on UFOs in wartime and also
beyond Area fifty one. Nick Redferend,

1103
01:29:55,199 --> 01:30:00,760
good guy. Well, this is
a book called three hundred and sixty five

1104
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,960
Days of UFOs. It's really a
great book because what he does, he

1105
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:12,479
goes through an entire year, and
he talks about different UFO events in different

1106
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,000
on different days. Now the years
are all vastly different, but you know,

1107
01:30:16,079 --> 01:30:23,800
he goes through the entire year.
Okay, let's start out March ninth,

1108
01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:30,159
nineteen fifty eight, Fort Clayton Canal
Zone, Anama. The location is

1109
01:30:30,199 --> 01:30:36,600
a now closed US Army installation on
the Panama Canal Zone called Fort Clayton.

1110
01:30:38,039 --> 01:30:44,000
At about eight pm, a UFO, not a UAP, ladies and gentlemen,

1111
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:49,199
I don't talk about UAPs. I
don't care what the what they say.

1112
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:55,319
That's a UFO anyway. It was
tracked by an anti aircraft for my

1113
01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:03,159
anti aircraft personnel in the canal zone
area Fort Clayton, Moore. And not

1114
01:31:03,399 --> 01:31:09,640
the only base. Now, this
was not the only base monitoring these unusual

1115
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:15,960
aerial this as unusual area activity.
Mm hmm it was. It was one

1116
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:23,119
a M. It was by uh
uh okay I you know again, I

1117
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:29,119
hate to say UAP, but the
radar staff at the Forest Ambassador Flamenco Island

1118
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:38,159
were also tracking something bizarre, something
unknown. U two UFOs again, not

1119
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:46,199
UAPs, forget me. They they
were. They were keeping a circular,

1120
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:54,399
bizarre motion pattern in the sky.
Their heights went and it was bizarre because

1121
01:31:54,399 --> 01:32:00,239
when they were being tracked it went
from from two thousand feet to ten thousand

1122
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:05,239
feet, as if they were being
observed and didn't want to be observed.

1123
01:32:05,319 --> 01:32:12,560
Just by midnight, the personnel at
Fort Amador decided to do something different.

1124
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:21,800
They decided to bathe these bizarre objects
in powerful ground based searchlights. The UFOs

1125
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:28,159
went from and that's when they jumped
from two thousand feet to ten thousand feet.

1126
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:34,720
It was such an incredible rapid movement
that the track lock was actually completely

1127
01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:43,079
unable to keep up with the rapid
ascent of these unknown objects. And they

1128
01:32:43,119 --> 01:32:46,399
believed that these were there was not
some kind of I don't know, apparition,

1129
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,880
strange light or whatever. They were
solid. The activity of the two

1130
01:32:50,920 --> 01:33:00,600
objects continued into the early days of
the early hours of March tenth. These

1131
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:09,159
objects accelerated up to speeds of one
thousand miles per hour. Okay, this

1132
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:15,479
is just one of the many early
UFO sidings that were chronicled back in the

1133
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:20,319
old days. March eleventh, nineteen
forty four. This is before nineteen forty

1134
01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:25,920
seven. Remember nineteen forty seven was
the year that Kenneth Arnold said he saw

1135
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:32,640
these discs, these nine discs flying
across Washington State. That started the more

1136
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:38,439
modern day UFO mystery. Okay,
this is nineteen forty four, London,

1137
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:43,880
Ingrin, England. This is from
Gordon Crichton. Now Gordon Crichton, if

1138
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:48,520
you remember, he was a phenomenal
researcher. He was one of the ones

1139
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:56,760
that started that was that followed the
Flying Saucer Review. Flying Saucer Review was

1140
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:01,960
a great, great, great published
British publication from nineteen fifty five on,

1141
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:13,079
and he was he was one of
these people that really investigated seriously this type

1142
01:34:13,079 --> 01:34:16,479
of phenomenon. He was also and
I did not know this, he was

1143
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:27,199
a diplomat and an intelligence officer at
the same time. And this was now,

1144
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:32,720
this particular incident was not recovered until
March twenty eighth, nineteen forty four.

1145
01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:41,239
The details of this were this alleged
crash. Now we know we've had

1146
01:34:41,319 --> 01:34:46,239
many alleged crashes over the years roswell
as tech and so forth, and I

1147
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,479
admit I have been a little skeptical
of some of the but this one was

1148
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:57,039
revealed in finally in nineteen fifty five. Do any of you remember Dorothy kill

1149
01:34:57,119 --> 01:35:02,439
Gallen. Dorothy kill Gallen was a
great reporter back in yesteryear. She was

1150
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:09,079
actually one of the many things she
did. She was on the Oh God

1151
01:35:09,119 --> 01:35:11,800
Mac, what was that show?
The what's my line? On you go?

1152
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,800
Or what's my line? Yes,
what's my line? Thank you?

1153
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:21,159
And there was one Sunday night that
she was on and the next day she

1154
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:27,800
was dead. And they can well
said that she had had I don't know,

1155
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,079
alcohol and barbitiowitz or whatever. But
then there were many others that said,

1156
01:35:31,279 --> 01:35:36,319
well, she had some information on
UFOs and so forth. But anyway,

1157
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,720
she was working on a story about
the Kennedy assassination. You know.

1158
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,000
She was a well known, yes, well known national column so the LA

1159
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:54,880
Examiner said that she could She reported
that a British scientist airman, after the

1160
01:35:54,920 --> 01:36:00,760
examining of the wreckage of a mysterious
flying ship, could say that this mysterious

1161
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:10,119
craft was not an illusion that hardon
me, or it was something that was

1162
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:17,920
or a Soulfgate invention. And she
said that this had originated from the sources

1163
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:25,479
she had from another world. Killty
Gary Allen Cagallan said that this source of

1164
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:31,399
her information this goes back a long
ways, was from a British official of

1165
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:39,439
cabinet rank, who remained, of
course identified, and said, we believe

1166
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:46,239
that the saucers were staffed by small
men under four feet tall. And there

1167
01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:51,359
is no denying that these saucers came
from another world, from another planet.

1168
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:55,520
This goes way back, and I
don't know what to think of this.

1169
01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:01,680
The flying ship of this type could
not have been constructed on this planet,

1170
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:09,520
is what they said. This anonymous
source that the British government is withholding an

1171
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:15,199
official report so as not to frighten
the public. Okay, And here's the

1172
01:37:15,319 --> 01:37:24,079
last little incident here. And this
is all again from Nick Redfern's great book

1173
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:30,279
three hundred and sixty five Days of
UFO Encounters. Just a fascinating book.

1174
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:36,680
I mean every page is fascinating.
Okay. Lockness, Scotland, August fourteenth,

1175
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:45,560
nineteen seventy one a Swedish investigator,
John Sunberg early am. He was

1176
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:49,199
in a wooded area near Foyers Bay. Now, if you look at at

1177
01:37:49,239 --> 01:37:59,159
a map of Lockedness and you look
down the sort of the right side,

1178
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:03,600
the east side, you will see
where Fouryer's Bay is. And this this

1179
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:11,560
gentleman, This Yon Sunburn Wash.
He was fascinated by the lock nest phenomenon.

1180
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:17,960
He found himself in a clearing UH
somewhere near the uh the eastern edge

1181
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:25,199
of the of the UH of the
lock and he saw what he you know,

1182
01:38:25,239 --> 01:38:30,800
when he first saw this, he
thought this was a a a a

1183
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,840
crew of I mean, he saw
this object. He thought, well,

1184
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:40,399
these guys must be in the submersible
that are are going to out and check

1185
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:45,560
the lock ness monster. Then he
takes a closer look at them, and

1186
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,960
they are a little bit odd.
They're in these kind of uh spacesuits where

1187
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:58,359
they just don't look like real humans. And when they and then when he

1188
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,960
sees them, he sees this craft
sitting there that again he thinks, is

1189
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:05,760
what must be as submersible. They
must be going out there to look for

1190
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:12,279
the lock nest monster. He sees
these guys getting in there and climbing in

1191
01:39:12,319 --> 01:39:19,800
there, and then instead of going
up into the atmosphere, they I mean,

1192
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:25,520
instead of going into the water,
they go up into the atmosphere and

1193
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,399
fly away. And he thinks,
oh my god, what have I just

1194
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:35,279
experienced? What have I what have
I just seen? And that was just

1195
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:45,119
several of the amazing experiences that that
Nick Redfern talks about in this really fascinating

1196
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:50,239
book called three hundred and sixty five
Days of UFO Encounters. It makes me,

1197
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:58,680
it makes me think of it makes
me think about that what you talked

1198
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:02,600
about earlier, I mean shows,
earlier shows where I think it was John

1199
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:10,000
Keel who kind of figured out that
paranormal events happened on almost a schedule,

1200
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:14,159
you know, like a certain time
of day, a certain time of year,

1201
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:15,960
you know where the earth is,
you know, didn't he didn't.

1202
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:20,239
He kind of nail it down to
kind of events happening almost in account.

1203
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:26,199
Actually, you know, it was
funny because he early on he was asked

1204
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:35,319
by Playboy magazine to do a great
research project on the UFO phenomenon. And

1205
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:45,840
what he did was he chronicled,
I don't know how many different UFO reports

1206
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:54,399
UFO God, what's the word?
No, I just can't think of the

1207
01:40:54,399 --> 01:41:00,560
word. News clipping series. He
would pull them in and I remember there

1208
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:08,000
was a friend of mine, Kevin
who he and another guy. God,

1209
01:41:08,079 --> 01:41:11,279
I wish i'd been there. This
is years ago, This is after the

1210
01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:19,039
nineteen sixty seven mufah No, not
new Fahn. The uh when when James

1211
01:41:19,079 --> 01:41:28,760
Moseley had this incredible uh uh connection, this incredible conference in nineteen sixteen.

1212
01:41:29,319 --> 01:41:40,800
Uiful incredible my brain. Sorry,
Matt, all right, friendly me the

1213
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:47,239
the uh the Congress of Scientific Euthologists. Wow, that's what I wanted.

1214
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:54,039
Ahead, thank you. I I
know, listen at my age, Mack.

1215
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:59,840
It takes a while, so anyway, okay, but he uh this

1216
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:05,760
he had James Mosley, who was
the author of Saucer News for so many

1217
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:12,079
years. It started out for a
few years as Nexus, but years later

1218
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:17,399
he had this great one of the
only great publications of Saucer. You know.

1219
01:42:17,399 --> 01:42:23,520
He used to call them Flying Saucer
Informations. Yes, and it was

1220
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:27,800
just you know, there are some
reprints of some of the stuff which are

1221
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:34,520
just fascinating. And this friend of
mine, Kevin, actually it wasn't that

1222
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,840
year. Wasn't nineteen sixty seven.
I think it must have been nineteen sixty

1223
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:45,720
eight. He had a he was
able to actually with a guy named Mark

1224
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:55,479
visit Sean Keel. I mean they
got his address. They got his address

1225
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:59,680
somehow in New York City. He
lived on the West Side, didn't they

1226
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,600
I'm not sure? But man,
how I wish I had been there.

1227
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:10,720
So they went there. They actually
Kevin told me we had the actual balls

1228
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:15,279
to knock on this guy's door.
And he opened it up and here was

1229
01:43:15,399 --> 01:43:20,279
John Keel. John Keele was in
his pjs. He was sitting on the

1230
01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:25,319
floor. They were all sitting on
the floor cross legged. This was a

1231
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:34,279
probably the precursor to Keeal. He
was commissioned to do a report on Playbohite

1232
01:43:34,279 --> 01:43:42,640
magazine, sort of the ultimate UFO
exposetting, and so he's he's there onboy,

1233
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:50,600
this guy in his pjs with hundreds
of articles from new slipping services from

1234
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:57,760
all over the bloody world. And
so my friend Kevin and I got you

1235
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,359
know, I have this fantasy of
actually being there, but they were there.

1236
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:06,800
They uh. Keel was magnanimous,
he uh for about an hour and

1237
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:14,960
a half he talked to them and
they just shared information. And that ladies

1238
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:25,600
than gentlemen was probably the beginning of
his great great book called UFO's Operation Trojan

1239
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:32,279
Horse. That was the book that
actually completely changed my perspective on UFOs.

1240
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:38,960
That that book right there, That
was that was around the time of Strange

1241
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,680
Creature from Time and Space when he
talks about window areas and a few years

1242
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:48,279
later when he wrote them offman prophecies. So, uh, this was what

1243
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:55,319
a great time this was, you
know? And ye god, you know

1244
01:44:55,439 --> 01:45:00,000
I had to live vicariously through my
friend Kevin, who met John Key and

1245
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:06,720
went to the What was that back
in nineteen sixty seven was the Congress Get

1246
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:15,960
this, ladies and gentlemen of scientific
eufologists at the Common Motel in New York

1247
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:23,720
City run by James Moseley, who
ran Saucer News at that time. Man,

1248
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,199
oh man, you can find some
of these old issues, some of

1249
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:34,640
this old stuff being reprinted here and
there. But I just this was such

1250
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:43,520
a great time when when so many
of us and back in those days,

1251
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,800
heck, I was just a babe
in arms, man I had it was.

1252
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:56,479
It was the in the middle sixties
where, oh god, it was

1253
01:45:56,560 --> 01:46:01,800
March of nineteen sixty six, mac
when I first when when doctor j Allen

1254
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:10,319
Heinich again because of those the marsh
Gas site. Yes, I remember that

1255
01:46:11,079 --> 01:46:15,640
what you was that shot you?
What you was the marsh Gass sixty six.

1256
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:23,960
That was a big I was there
watching his uh uh, his conference

1257
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:30,760
live conference in Michigan when he suggested
that he was tied to the Air Force.

1258
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:34,000
He had to pretend like he was
objective and all that stuff, even

1259
01:46:34,039 --> 01:46:39,199
though Heinich knew the Air Force was
full of shits, yes, and he

1260
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:45,840
was not okay, So he actually
suggested that some of them might be some

1261
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:49,000
of them might be swamp guests.
See, someone should do a good movie,

1262
01:46:49,079 --> 01:46:55,720
a good biography, but a good
movie about Jay Allen Heinech because he's

1263
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:59,039
the guy who worked with the f
was and then flipped because he saw he

1264
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:02,439
saw, you know, information he
started intelligence that told him, I mean,

1265
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,239
once again, I goes, if
one UFO story is true, then

1266
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:10,000
they're all true. You know what
I mean. If there's one flying saster,

1267
01:47:10,119 --> 01:47:13,720
then they're all true. And he
believed that there was something else out

1268
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:17,079
there. Now here we are forty
years later talking about it and mac in

1269
01:47:17,279 --> 01:47:25,239
nineteen seventy six, ten years later, I as a kid in Michigan went

1270
01:47:25,319 --> 01:47:32,520
to the nineteen seventy six Upon Symposium
in Ann Arbor, Michigan. He was

1271
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:39,880
there man and he had separated from
the from Project Blue Book. He was

1272
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:45,159
his own man. He had stuck
at the Center for UFO Studies and I

1273
01:47:45,319 --> 01:47:53,560
was there listening to this man talk
about His talk was Swamp Gas plus ten

1274
01:47:54,079 --> 01:47:59,880
and counting. Really have that recording
on a CD because I was there with

1275
01:48:00,159 --> 01:48:06,479
my this little nerd with my cassette
recorder at the time. So God,

1276
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:12,880
what a great man. And fortunately
his son is out there occasionally on shows

1277
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:19,920
like Ancient Aliens, continuing on his
legacy. Thank God for the Heinegs.

1278
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:28,359
And they're the ones who came up
with that maneuver. Right. Wow,

1279
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:34,239
No, I'm thinking of the guy
that invented the stethoscope. Wow. Switchy

1280
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:42,600
Wow, well done, thank you
switch great memories. Wow. And it

1281
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:46,479
was just it was you know,
Nick Redfern does a phenomenal job, as

1282
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:50,560
you know, man, yea.
In this book three hundred and sixty five

1283
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:59,760
Days of UFOs, my god,
you will be uh stimulated, an excited

1284
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:03,560
okay, belief, wow, beyond
belief. You read it. I hate

1285
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,840
to say it, switched. I
was going to take a bit, but

1286
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:12,199
listen, Red friend, British guy
living in Dallas, of all places.

1287
01:49:13,079 --> 01:49:15,520
I said to Pa, wind up
there, man, you know what I've

1288
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:20,119
seen him speak and he still sounds
a little bit like a brit Oh yeah,

1289
01:49:20,159 --> 01:49:23,159
oh yeah, yeah, he still
has the accent. I think it

1290
01:49:23,159 --> 01:49:26,359
gives it that authority you know,
for some reason you here an English person

1291
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,760
talking. It's like they all went
to freaking Oxford, you know, because

1292
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:34,720
it just sounds credibility, incredibility good. You know, it's like butter on

1293
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:40,840
toast. Just it sounds so good. Wow, it's like watching American whale

1294
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:45,319
wolf in London, you know.
Listening to the girl talk, I definitely

1295
01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:51,000
want a lady to tell me that
I I sound like butter a coast.

1296
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:56,439
Wow. I can give you a
number if you have a credit card.

1297
01:50:00,319 --> 01:50:01,960
That's true, I mean if you
have If you have a credit card,

1298
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,800
we can literally make anything. Oh
listen, I've got a credit card.

1299
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:13,119
It's got an endless number of room
on it. Okay, do you throw

1300
01:50:13,159 --> 01:50:21,199
a catnip there? Switchy baby,
did you get into it today? Can

1301
01:50:21,239 --> 01:50:26,199
you send us some well, listen, leave them laughing. I put up

1302
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:29,159
the train wreck the switch. I
know you've been waiting to do it.

1303
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:33,439
Oh yeah, yeah, listen,
listen. Let me keep the cats out

1304
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:41,239
of already. Yoh yeah yeah,
flew by This was so fun. We

1305
01:50:41,319 --> 01:50:45,920
missed a couple of stations on the
way. But look at while Switch is

1306
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,479
searching that. I want to say, you know what, please homes troops

1307
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:55,840
homes Troops is an organization that raises
money for our veterans. Are wounded veterans

1308
01:50:55,840 --> 01:51:00,880
in nash after nine to eleven.
That's the Afkean Warren, also the Iraqi

1309
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:04,239
Want and these are people who came
home missing a limb usually and what happens

1310
01:51:04,319 --> 01:51:11,279
is homestread Troops builds them the home
on our donations and also corporate donations,

1311
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:14,800
and they make the home a little
more adaptable to their needs. So not

1312
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,720
a lot of stairs, low count
space, stuff like that. You've got

1313
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:23,079
us talk about a lot homestrud Troops. Ninety percent of your dollar goes to

1314
01:51:23,159 --> 01:51:30,560
our veterans, which is a really
high percentage in the charity biz. Basically,

1315
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:31,920
what happens they build in the house, then they tear up the moillias

1316
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,000
and give them the keys and they
can go out and live, you know

1317
01:51:34,119 --> 01:51:39,119
life. That's a little more rum
I don't know, I hate to say

1318
01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:42,119
it, but a little more adaptable. I can't think of the word.

1319
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:47,479
But just go on to Google.
Please google home Strung Troops see what they're

1320
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,720
about. And as we were talking
about earlier on the show, that anyone

1321
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:56,319
of our fans who gives more than
twenty bucks twenty bucks a more tow home

1322
01:51:56,359 --> 01:52:00,560
strung troops donates it to them.
Just they give you a little option to

1323
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:04,199
write in comment just say you know
we heard about a mac show and we'll

1324
01:52:04,199 --> 01:52:09,520
send you a free copy of autographic
copy of macloney book. Okay, over

1325
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:12,960
twenty bucks home, so our troops, that's good, switchy. How you

1326
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:19,239
doing well? You know what?
Something weird happened on my computer recently?

1327
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:24,760
Really can't find the damn train right? No, No, that's what I

1328
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:30,000
say. No, anyway, it's
like it's horrible. I'm sure it'll be

1329
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,800
there. A little kitty coming in
the back. The cat is probably gonna

1330
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:41,159
eat it. According to shall Wreck
the show, get that, get that

1331
01:52:41,239 --> 01:52:45,520
cat's ear out of it. Even
the ear itself is look at that all

1332
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,199
the all the all the cat wants
to do is eat. That's the whole

1333
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:54,000
idea they get. They re erode
all you people. Okay, they just

1334
01:52:54,079 --> 01:52:57,119
want to eat. That's why they
come up in the cuddle and the open

1335
01:52:57,199 --> 01:53:00,039
up the can grab both cats and
put them together the head to handle the

1336
01:53:00,119 --> 01:53:04,920
train wreck. There you go.
Well he's shaying that. I want to

1337
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:09,079
say thank you to I guess doctor
Bob. Thank you for joining us tonight.

1338
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:13,800
We appreciate it. Thank you for
having me, Bob, thank you.

1339
01:53:14,079 --> 01:53:16,880
Let's clap from okay, because he
is a doctor and it's good to

1340
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:27,760
know doctors. Which what are you
doing? Switch? I'm ready. I'm

1341
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:35,800
ready for some pulling slide to show
up and stretch together and they image for

1342
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:45,680
the listener. Switch is just going
through filters, right, Switch to just

1343
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:49,439
do it twice next next week.
Okay, thank you, Switchy really appreciate

1344
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:55,600
Thank you all. Ranaldo, Okay, running away to the gallley, thank

1345
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:59,159
you, thank you, Raven.
We appreciate it. Thank you so much

1346
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,960
for me. This is it was
a funny night. So let's see.

1347
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,119
I think that's it. I just
want to remind everyone remember John McKennon was

1348
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:08,640
not a loser. Here was someone
that we look up to. He was

1349
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:12,479
a disabled veteran. He's a hero
in this country. You don't make fun

1350
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,680
of those people. So until next
time, this is Mac for the entire

1351
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:24,119
gang saying, be safe, be
happy, and bye bye. I hear

1352
01:54:24,199 --> 01:57:35,399
the love of Hey Mac maloney fans, This is Pistol Pete and I'm sitting

1353
01:57:35,399 --> 01:57:42,039
here with the one and only Mac
Maloney. Hi Mac Pink Now Mac You've

1354
01:57:42,079 --> 01:57:45,199
got a new book out called how
to Dump a Body at Sea and Not

1355
01:57:45,319 --> 01:57:49,399
Get Caught that you wrote with our
pal, famous crime novelist Mark Zappula.

1356
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:53,479
How did this whole thing come about? Well, Mac and I have this

1357
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:57,119
mutual friend that we w oute having
faz with every once in a while,

1358
01:57:57,159 --> 01:58:00,560
and he had the same twenty stories
that he would tell us kind of over

1359
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:01,439
and over again. And at some
point I said, you know, we

1360
01:58:01,439 --> 01:58:04,680
should write these down, and we
did and it turned into a book.

1361
01:58:05,039 --> 01:58:08,520
It's such a crazy title. How'd
you come up with it? Well,

1362
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,600
kind of the same thing. We're
in talking to this friend of ours one

1363
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:14,079
night and he just said, you
know how to get rid of a body

1364
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:16,199
sea? And I can taught And
of course we didn't know, and so

1365
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,359
he told us. And the secret
is in the book. But I can

1366
01:58:19,399 --> 01:58:24,720
say that it involves a lot of
chainling fence and some crabs. Now,

1367
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:27,720
Mac, you gave me an advanced
copy of the book, and like I

1368
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:30,000
said before, it's one of the
funniest things I've ever read. It reminded

1369
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,640
me of the Sopranos, if the
Sopranos had a laugh track. Thanks Pete.

1370
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:38,720
But it also gives you instructions on
how to do some pretty shady stuff,

1371
01:58:39,079 --> 01:58:42,880
stuff not exactly legal. Well,
yeah, the book is about the

1372
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:45,880
true life adventures of a druvenout de
Linklin growing up in Boston in the late

1373
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:49,399
nineteen eighties, so you get a
lot of the inside stuff, like the

1374
01:58:49,439 --> 01:58:53,680
best way to steal a car,
best way to burn aca, how to

1375
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:57,159
make fake ideas, things like that. But in one chapter you actually tell

1376
01:58:57,159 --> 01:59:00,479
people how to turn an old,
broken down Toyota into a brand new Rolls

1377
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:04,239
Royce in five easy steps and it
actually works. Yeah. I know it

1378
01:59:04,319 --> 01:59:06,840
sounds crazy. I didn't believe until
I saw the proof, but yes,

1379
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:11,159
it actually works. Now, one
last question. There's a lot of laughs

1380
01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:15,359
in the book, but also a
lot of pretty crazy stuff, legal and

1381
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:19,960
illegal. Is it really all true. It's really all true, but on

1382
01:59:20,039 --> 01:59:24,600
the advice of a publisher, they've
asked us not the same thing beyond that

1383
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:28,439
for legal reason. But yes,
it is all true. Well thanks Mac.

1384
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:31,560
That's how to dump a body at
sea and not get caught, The

1385
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:38,000
Al Ferrari story by Mac and crime
writer Mark Zippula. Get it today on Amazon