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Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man,

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I'm forty. Go ahead, make
my day every single week. I

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put my freaking heart and soul into
this. I don't go out there and

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laugh. It's not funny. Nothing's
funny to me. I don't want to

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go out there and get embarrassed on
Monday night football for everybody. I think

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that at the beginning of a beautiful
friendship. So I ain't nothing changed from

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yesterday. Still the same person I
was yesterday, and I got the same

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thing for you that I had yesterday. You know why I'm here. You

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play to win the day. You
don't play to just play it. That's

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a great thing about sports. You
play to win, and I don't care

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if you don't have any wins.
You go play to win. When you

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start telling me it doesn't matter,
per retire, get out for the mat

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Hey good way to start this Thursday. Welcome everyone, Bexes and bros.

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Monday through Friday, six until nine
throughout the great state of Michigan. Matt

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Shephard, that's our producer. You
can call him on the Meyer Hotline eight

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sixty six eight three eight forty eight
forty three Tigers, who winning yesterday four

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to one. They win this series
for the Cardinals. That is four straight

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series wins for Detroit. Now,
we focus a lot of people focus a

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lot on the negative, unfortunately bothersome
sometimes for me too. But that's what

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it's about. Baseball is about gonna
win every game. You should know that.

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You do know that. There are
just certain times where you look back

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and you're like, that's the one
game you let get away, first game

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at the doubleheader two days ago.
Right, okay, But it's about winning

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series. If you can win series, you're in great shape. You're gonna

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win your divisions as simple as that. You're gonna win the more series wins

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you have. I'm not talking games, I'm talking about series wins. That's

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the goal. You beat Cardinals in
a series, you beat the Royals in

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a series, you beat the Rays
in a series, and you feel pretty

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good about yourself, and you should. You also beat the Twins in a

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series. So the last series loss
was to the Rangers. Now, the

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Twins have played really good ball as
of late. They've won ten in a

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row. Detroit's seventeen wins entering May
is the second most in franchise history.

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Only the eventual World Series champions.
Nineteen eighty four World Series Tigers were better.

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They were eighteen and two. What, yeah, I know, eighteen

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and two. Yes, that's the
famous thirty five and five. Remember though,

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that team won its first seventeen road
games. Those are a couple of

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things. I don't think we'll be
duplicated last year to give you, to

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give you a perspective, last year, Detroit was ten and seventeen entering May.

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Now. Granted, I mean it's
May second, so yesterday was May

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first. But I'm just you know, we haven't really been able to dive

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into May just yet. So there's
your situation right there. Kentamaieta got his

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first win as a Tiger. Four
hits over six innings, pretty solid.

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Veerling had three RBIs. Detroit has
kind of owned Saint Louis in Inner League

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play. I told you yesterday anytime
the Tigers take on the Cardinals, or

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maybe it was two days ago,
I think it was yesterday. I think

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of World Series because they've met in
the World Series three times, with Saint

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Louis winning too out of the three, but Detroit has owned them. They're

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thirty one and sixteen against Saint Louis
all time in interleague play. Now they're

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off to New York to take on
the Yankees, and looks it's a Yankees

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team that is has shown to be
somewhat vulnerable at times eight and five at

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home. They've come back down to
earth a little bit. They split their

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last ten games. They're twenty and
twelve on the year. After winning Baltimore

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yesterday, We'll see what happens with
that. I don't know if that's the

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measuring stick, but I will tell
you this, we're thirty one games deep.

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You're getting a little bit closer to
recognizing who your team truly is.

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Detroit will have today off while the
Yankees play in Baltimore. Carlos Rodan throws

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for the Yankees here today. Game
one tomorrow against New York. Resolson against

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Marcus Stroman. That's the scheduled starter
anyway on Saturday, So it's a good

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weekend to be in the Big Apple. On Saturday, Casey Mize against Clark

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Schmidt, and then the wrap up
has Trek Scoubel against Nestor Cortes. Then

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it's off to Cleveland, who is
lead the division. And again it's early,

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but at some point and I say
that quite a bit. I used

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to say it. We'll call in
games, and I think a lot of

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people say that it is early.
You play one hundred and sixty two games

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and you're only thirty one games deep. It is early. However, at

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some point you and I are going
to stop saying it's early. When that

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is is up to the individual.
What did Sparky Anderson used to say?

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Give me forty games and then you
got a better idea. Now there are

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exceptions to the rule, right,
Houston two thousand and six, I think,

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struggled and then reach the World Series. But the point is you're starting

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to see this team and it looks
pretty good at times. Right. The

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pitching is definitely keeping them in it. And it's funny how a series win

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can kind of change your mood a
little bit, because yesterday we're talking about

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missing an opportunity in Game one.
Then you score eleven runs, you feel

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like, oh, okay, not
bad. Don't let victories or even losses.

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Don't let either one cloud your judgment
on what you think is happening or

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question certain things. It's all right, Still, eight hits isn't a ton,

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Okay, you got to give some
credit work where credit is due.

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Saint Louis played halfway decent two.
How good are the card I don't know.

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We don't know yet. We know
there are three games under five hundred,

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but we're just not sure. And
I would guess people in Saint Louis

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are saying the same thing about Detroit. Now you lost to a pretty good

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team, are they? We don't
know yet. We do think, and

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I think it's important here. We
do think that we've got some some off

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issues that need to be figured out. But it's a pretty cool moment for

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Matt Vierlin, who picked up his
third home run of the season, a

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two run blast of the third off
Miles Michelis, to do it against his

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hometown team. He was a fifth
round draft pick out of Notre Dame but

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grew up in Missouri and Saint Louis
was his hometown team. So it's a

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it's that's kind of a neat moment. A couple of days ago we had

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win Silperez had his first two home
run game. That was a neat moment.

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There are certain things that take place
during the season you're like, oh,

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this is really cool. I like
it. Memorable stuff in the NHL

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last night, Stars beat the Vegas
Knights three too. It's the first time

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the home team has won a game
in the series and they lead the series

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by that three to two score.
Oilers over the Kings. Edmonton win the

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series and eliminates LA for a third
straight year. Leon Drivesidel had two goals.

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Connor McDavid had a couple of assists
eleven in the series for McDavid,

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most in franchise history, which surprised
me. And then Boston is in Toronto

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tonight. The lease Leafs get this. They have lost six straight home playoff

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games. The Bruins, in the
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games, which tells you what the
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seven NBA from last night. Celtics
led wire to wire. They post a

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one to eighteen eighty four win to
eliminate the Heat. Jaylen Brown Derek White

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each had twenty five Boston that can
play either Cleveland or Orlando. And then

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this is a little bit of a
surprise. Maybe it's because in basketball,

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probably more than any other sport,
home court. I don't know. It

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just seems like more home court advantage
than home ice, more home court advantage

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than home field in baseball or football. That's that would be my guess without

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really looking up the percentages, and
sometimes those can be skewed. But Dallas

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a one twenty three ninety three winner
over the Clippers, largest loss in playoff

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history for La Luka Doncic and he's
been hurt with a bad right knee thirty

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five points, ten rebounds, twenty
of his thirty five game in the second

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half. mAbs lead that series three
games to do. You would expect them

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to go home and wrap things up. How you do that is similar to

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you if you had a chance to
watch Boston at all. Boston just dominated

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Miami from the very get go.
Look, they're a better team than Miami,

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There's no question about that. Miami
with a couple of big pieces,

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really big pieces, and Rosier and
obviously Jimmy Butler. So Celtics should get

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that done right. But that doesn't
mean it always happens. I mean,

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look what Milwaukee did the Indiana the
other day, and they did it without

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Ante Tekumpo, and they did it
without Lillard. So you just never know.

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I think you know this, this
happened yesterday. Mike Trout is out

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for a good part of this season. He'd be lucky to play I don't

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know, ninety five games or so. He's got to have surgery. We

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mentioned this yesterday. I think there
are some people starting that they're not questioning

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whether or not he's a Hall of
Fame player. There's no doubt he is.

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There's no doubt, all right,
he's the best player of his generation.

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And if you can't give him that, one of them. The injuries

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are troublesome. Thirty six games in
twenty twenty one one and nineteen games the

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year next, eighty two games last
year. Let's say he plays ninety five

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this year. For as durable as
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playing at least one hundred and fifty
seven games in each of his first four

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seasons. He has struggled since with
injuries. Why that is, I don't

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know. People speculate. I'm not
going to go there. We do know

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this in his career, he's a
three hundred hitter two ninety nine. If

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you'll allow me to round up,
he's gotten much better defensive lane wins above

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replacement is really big for a lot
of people. And he's fifth all time

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amongst center fielders. You know who's
better Willie Mays, the Tigers, Ty

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Cobb, Tris Speaker, and Mickey
Mantle. Mays's war, just so you

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know, one hundred and fifty six
point two. That's nuts. It's absolutely

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crazy. Speakers at one thirty five
point two, cob Is at one point

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fifty one point four. You're not
there's no way you're you're surpassing that,

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all right. Trout's War is about
fourteen over the last few years. It's

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pretty damn good. I don't know
if you've ever done this. Go to

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Baseball Reference dot com and it's easy
to access, and they have a baseball

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grid that you can play. I've
played it quite a bit and my son

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and I, my oldest son and
I play it quite a bit and then

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we kind of compare, and we
played it yesterday and it's just a cool

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little grid where you'll say it.
You'll say like the Times at the top

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and then on the left it will
be Saint Louis. So they want you

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to fill in. Give you a
player who's played for the Tigers and the

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Cardinals. Every actually, basketball does
this, football does this, hockey does

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it? They all have this grid, Ben, have you ever? Have

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you ever played that? By chance? No, it's really cool. It

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really tests you, okay, and
what you try to do. The easy

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thing to do, you know,
it would be like Jack Flaherty for Tigers

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and Cardinals. You don't want to
do that because the percentage is probably very

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high. So you want to find
somebody who has played for both. But

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it's a rare combination. It's not
someone most people would think of. Okay.

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So for example, you know,
my son put in Edgar Renteria that

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was his for the Cardinals and the
Tigers. That's a good one. Or

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a Cardinal or Tigers and White Sox
was next. So down the left side

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you had Cardinals and you had White
Sox and you had another category, and

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then you have something along the top
three. All right, So for example,

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Tigers, White Sox, who would
you put? So A lot of

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people immediately go, oh, chet
Lemon. I put Steve Kemp, And

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the percentage for Steve Kemp was point
three percent. In other words, point

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three percent of the people got Steve
Kemp. Another one was three hundred home

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runs for a White Sox player.
I put Frank Thomas my Son, put

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Paul Konerko. Those are the only
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don't want to go look it up. That's kind of cheating, but you

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want to figure it out. You
put a MVP, all right, who

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was a Tiger's MVP? They had
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Player? And then the category is
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I figured a lot of people put
Miguel Cabrera, right, I put Hank

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Greenberg. Anyway, the rarity I
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I was pretty happy with. Mike
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road. But one of them was
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who had a six war and an
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good, I put Carl Yastrimsky.
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what made me think of it was, you know, the wins above replacement,

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Trout posting about fourteen war since the
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not catching any of those guys.
He's not catching Cob, he's not catching

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May's, he's not catching Speed.
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one hundred and ten point two.
And then people wonder about the homers and

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the RBIs and the hits and so
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getting three thousand hits, He's sure. I don't think he's getting five hundred

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homers. You'll get four hundred easies. He's the three hundred and seventy eight

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right now. The RBIs, you
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those to me, the RBIs I
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is a good excuse me. This
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easily he'll easily average eighty five RBIs, ninety RBIs, but he hasn't had

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more than eighty since twenty nineteen.
You know, MVPs all that stuff.

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No doubt he's the first ballot Hall
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Edwards of The Athletic. If you
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seven thirty five Ben Raven from Mlive
a replay and then eight thirty five James

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Edwards from the Athletic. I wanted
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read some things recently. We're more
and more broadcasters are calling out umpires.

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It happened the other day in the
Twins broadcast Byron Buxton was injured and one

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of the umpires was telling telling him, in so many words, let's hustle

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it up, okay, to get
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good all right. So Rob Drake
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was a little upset with Buxton's pace
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the field. And well, the
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much, La Troy Hawkins, Corey
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which is, you know, that's
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game Baltimore Orioles, I forget who. I don't know if it was Gunner

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Henderson at the plate, but of
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dish? Cebe Buckner, who's you
shouldn't know? Umpires names, you shouldn't

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know, referees names you were.
I mean, those are the people who

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are supposed to be silent but help
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thing if you're recognizing umpires on a
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Angel Hernandez. Oh boy, we
got Cebe Buckner. Uh oh, we've

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got Teddy Valentine. Those are not
good things. TV ted is what they

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call them. He embraced that stuff
in college basketball. Cebee Buckner behind the

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plate calls a strike three that was
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Yeah, thank you. And Jim
Palmer just says, you know what,

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he shouldn't be umpiring, and he
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different situations where they are calling out
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Do you remember, before the playoffs
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out the league itself. Do you
remember this at all? Anthony Davis said,

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Remember the three players announced for Defensive
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is not one of them. It
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from Miami, and it was of
course Victor Webbin Yama. And it won't

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surprise me if Weben Yanama women wins
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There is no Anthony Davis, and
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I'll never get Defensive Player of the
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me. The league doesn't like me. I'm the best defensive player in the

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league. I can switch one through
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roll the best in the league.
From a big standpoint, I block shots,

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I rebound. I don't know what
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I'm done with accolades and individual awards, done with winning a championship too,

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because the team was eliminated. But
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or players, I should say,
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about calling out either players or leagues. Charles Barkley did it. Charles Barkley

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said, for all you punks and
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to be who want to be media
and want all the players to like y'all,

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do your damn job. The Lakers
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the players. This goes back to
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Not this morning, but in the
past. We want to criticize coaches,

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and for good reason. I'm not
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But you and I both know.
You and I both know the NBA,

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for example, is a players league. We see these great shots of

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team huddles. Let's go full sound
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and the coaches miked up. Let's
go inside the huddle and hear what Manty

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Williams has to say. Give me
the dry erase board and drop up a

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play. That's great stuff, and
it is. It's good access. I

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love it. You should love it
too. But for the most part,

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for the most part, that is
it's a player's league. We say it

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all the time. The only time
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credit the player. Look, I
did it too, I said it this

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morning. Luka donciz thirty five and
ten. How come we're not getting any

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throwing any flowers at Jason kids feet? Charles Barkley said last night in the

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postgame Boston in Miami, they're raving
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I'm not going to give them any
flowers. I'm not giving them any

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candy. They should have blown them
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This is what's become though I don't
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it started, or who it started
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you're not going to get your exclusive
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a guy down, You're not gonna
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extended interview because he holds the power
Tiger Woods, Lebron James whatever. Have

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you ever noticed that if you criticize
certain individuals, they hold it against you,

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And that's what's happened. But those
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Bill and willing to say, you
know what, this guy's he's not very

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good. He hasn't done a good
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I think you have to pick your
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to be careful with it. Charles
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He doesn't have to face the same
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to travel with that team. He's
being honest, he should be. He

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doesn't take friendships into his job.
It's part of the reason he is so

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effective at what he does. I
don't think he's I don't think he's a

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great analyst. I don't think he'd
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Of course, they do have stan
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Why doesn't that ever get brought up
just out of curiosity? Remember when Matt

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Millan was the second analyst on Fox. It was John Madden and then it

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was Matt Millan. Matt Millan was
really good. He becomes the general manager

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of the Detroit Lions and proceeds to
stink just awful, goes back to the

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booth and it's primarily Big ten network
now and people just don't want to hear

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it. People are like, give
me a break, this guy was so

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bad, so on and so forth. Okay, hurt the reputation, I

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understand it. How come I done? Happened with stan Van Gundy? Like

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people go to seek out his advice. I mean he literally said not too

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long ago. The problem I think
for Detroit is what are you going to

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do with your cap space? Where
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My guess Tom Gores wants to get
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and wait on a young core.
I think that's probably the right approach.

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You screwed this franchise and you've got
members of the media seeking your advice.

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What would you do now for the
Pistons when he was in charge of the

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Pistons? How absurd is that we
blame so many people we blame This is

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so hypocritical in the media. We
blame so many people for so many different

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things, different walks of life,
avenues. Doesn't have to be the sports

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while they're doing it. Then when
they're done, we all, hey,

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let's let's get their advice. What
do you think you'd do. Man,

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here's a guy who says, you're
gonna have to supplement as you go along.

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They've got good pieces. Durren Thompson, Sasser Ivy, he's naming Kid

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Cunningham. He's name in five six
guys for a team that won thirteen fourteen

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games this year. Thanks Stan,
who in their right mind goes to him

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and says, I got an idea. I want to do an interview.

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Let's bring on Stan van Gundhy and
ask him, what would you do with

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the Pistons. Are you flipping kidding
me? That's ridiculous. But those same

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people who do that, what do
they do. They'll go out and they'll

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criticize this and criticize that. But
they were good friends with stan Van Gundy

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while he was here in Detroit.
So let's ask him what he would do

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in free agency or to rebuild this
team. Didn't you already ask him what

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you would do to rebuild this team? And all he did was sink it

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further into the toilet. Well that's
James Edwards at eight thirty five. See

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if he's got a thought on that. I do want to ask him because

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there was a podcast out there.
I didn't listen to it, but they

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actually had stan van Gundy on and
asked them asked him his opinion of what

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he would do with the Pistons.
It's laughable. But the same person who

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had that podcast, what are they
gonna do. They're gonna go out there

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and they're going to criticize this person
and that person and so on and so

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forth. I mean, oh my
god, the hypocrisies. But we don't

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say anything about it. Nobody says
a thing about it. It's maddening,

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absolutely maddening. Meyer hotline is eight
sixty six eight three, eight forty eight

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forty three. The text line is
Sports Radio twenty one thousand. That's how

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you can jump on board. Speaking
of getting something together and being an architect,

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whether it's Matt Millan and stan Van
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is it Brad Holmes who has had
an unbelievable run with the Detroit Lions.

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Who's the best architect in Detroit?
Slash the state of Michigan history. Brad

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Holmes is getting all kinds of flowers
right now, and for good reason.

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It's been incredible. His moves for
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the drafts. I'm talking about his
moves overall. I think really good general

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managers they have to decide, they
have to recognize when things go awry,

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what's working and what's not working.
Cut bait if you will. I can

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think of probably two others. Look, Scott Harris is trying to do this.

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Troy Weaver is trying to do this
to no avail. Steve Eisaman is

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trying to do this. Who are
the best architects that Detroit has ever had?

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Jack McCloskey of the Pistons. I
mean, he's the one who drafted

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Isaiah Thomas. He's the one who
drafted Joe Dumars and John Sally and Dennis

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Rodman. He's the one who traded
for Vinnie Johnson and Bill Lambier and Mark

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Aguire and Rick Mahorn and Adrian Danley. You can't you can't deny that he

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got championships out of it. Bill
Lejoy, he's the one who built the

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eighty four Tigers. And look,
I don't think it's just an architect of

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a championship team. Dave Dombrowski was
pretty damn good. Did he set the

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organization back to quote unquote go for
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A lot of that young talent wasn't
very good, So that's the downside

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of his tenure in Detroit. But
he did make them extremely competitive. If

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you don't think Joe Dumars was a
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Look at how good the Pistons were, not just with the one championship,

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but contending regularly in the Eastern Conference
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and of course Jimmy Devellano. Jimmy
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do you deny that? And I'm
not picking just one guy from each team

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because I said Bill Joy and Dave
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from just one team. I said
Joe Dumars and Jack McCloskey. Now,

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granted, except for Dombrowski, it
ended up in a World championship. Tigers

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should have had I think two World
Series championships under Dombrowski. I think they

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should have won in two thousand and
six when losing to the Cardinals, and

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I think two thousand, what was
it thirteen when they lost to the Orioles

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his mistake bringing in Brad Ostmas or
twenty sixteen? Is that what it was?

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I forget which was here? That
was because they lost to Boston in

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one of those years? Was that
twenty thirteen? Okay, either way should

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have had it right, the Joaquing
Ben Wah giving up the Grand Slam to

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David Ortiz, losing to Baltimore.
I'm not counting the San Francisco. The

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Giants were just better that year period
twenty twelve. Anyway, those architects,

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these are the art that's who Brad
Holmes is trying to be. Brad Holmes

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will probably if if the Lions ever
win that Super Bowl. And Ben Raven

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is a guy we talked to yesterday. Well replayed that at seven thirty five.

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He covers the Lionsfranlive dot com.
We asked him about Brad Holmes.

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If he does, he'll probably viewed
as the greatest architect this city has ever

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had because the Lions have never done
it. Because the Lions were so bad,

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the other guys inherited just as bad
situations. When Jimmy Devellano took over

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the Red Wings, they were horrid, you know the stories. They were

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called the Dead Wings. They were
giving away cars once in a while just

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to get people into the building.
And it started with what the key piece

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for Devil Lano, It was drafting
Steve Eisman, It was the start.

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Took a while to get there,
but it was the start. For McCloskey,

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was drafting Isaiah Thomas. Took a
while to get there, but it

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was a start. For l Joy, it was multiple players. It was

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the drafting of Trammel and Whittaker,
first round pick of Kirk Gibson, so

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on and so forth. You know, the stories. I don't need to

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rehash it for you. For Dumars, it was overcoming some of his mistakes,

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but bringing in guys. His wasn't
as much drafting. I don't think

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his was more about trading for Ben
Wallace, trading for Richard Hamilton, acquiring

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Rashid Wallace, bringing in Chauncey Billups. That wasn't a home grown team.

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