Hello, everybody, Welcome, Happy Monday. Here we go. It is
Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w m n H
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the past. No, last week we got the word. We are now
on channel six on Comcast if you are in the Manchester area on the cable
channel six, not ninety seven. So which is very exciting, very very
cool. And uh but I kind of went on autopilot there. So I
am a creature of habit as our most humans. But yes, and today
is a Monday, August fourteen, twenty twenty three, and I am not
alone. Best Jenny is here at the news desk. I am present,
yes, yes, so we have an aiding show for you. Hopefully uh
there he might have another uh scheduling snapfoo, But hopefully we're going to be
joined by journalists Bob Henneley at four fifteen from New York City. Bob is
not only an accomplished journalist in U in UH many areas, but he also
is a radio host. He's a fellow broadcaster on w BAI in New York
City. Jo, what's that feel like? Jock company? Was it?
Was that what you're supposed to call each other, jock's radio jock. That's
a kind of an out outdated term, is it. Yeah, Well,
because jock is short for disc jockey, and that's that's definitely an outdated term.
True. You don't spin anything right, right. We don't have a
turntable here, although we do have a CD player. He used to have
a turntable there, used to be one in the corner there. Yeah,
we do have a CD player, and that's magical in this world. Yes,
yes, we do have a CD player here, So, Bob Henalley,
hopefully we'll be joining us. If not, we've got plenty of other
things we can talk about. Certainly, Yeah, it's been pretty dull and
coming up at the top of the hour, We're going to have a world
radio premiere the single Killing Time from the duo called Jam Tomorrow. We're going
to have the world radio premiere of that track, and then they're going to
be here with us live in studio to perform. So really looking forward to
that. And one of the members of Jam Tomorrow, Michael helped Lee Pierce.
I used to be in a band with him, which I've played on
the show before, Chemical Distance. That goes back to like twenty ten,
twenty eleven, so more than more than ten years ago. But I mean
I've seen him since then. But and Mike from Queen City Cabinetry knows him
pretty well apparently, as does Kenny from The Hopnot so he's one of the
regulars. Yeah, yeah, he's part of the WM ANDH family. Who
is Michael. He's been around forever? Well, yeah, of course,
yeah, he hangs out with us. Think I was talking to you Friday
night Switch People's wait, you mean Mike from Queen City Cabinetry, not Michael
Applee Pierce. Right now, I'm confusing my Michael. Yeah, there's too
many. It's probably the most common male name in the United States anyway.
Yeah, so that will be coming up today in the second hour, and
if you're wondering about our opening track today, so hip hop artist Magoo has
passed away at the age of fifty from an apparent heart attack. So I
decided to open with up Jumps the Boogie the radio edit of course, which
is Timberland and Magoo with Missy Elliott and Aliyah on that track, and that
came out in nineteen ninety eight. And you know what is interesting though about
playing a radio edit of a track that came out in the late nineties is
that the way the songs are edited, at least with hip hop, you
know, there's there's certain things like there were a couple of things even the
radio edit where I was like, I probably would have done a little additional
editing to that. But it's a different time now, and you know,
it's weird. You know, if you think back to that time, there's
there's words, there's words you when there's words that you could say now that
you couldn't say now. It's it's interesting how everything's shifted and it does over
time. So but that was the radio edit of that. I wanted to
play the radio edit of Clock Strikes by Timberland and Magoo, just the two
of them without any because that's my That was my favorite song by them.
But we couldn't find a radio edit of that one, which actually really surprised
me. How can there not be a radio edit of that song? It
had a lot more in it than I was expecting. Yeah, you looked
up the lyrics and ye, because at time permitting, I could have made
a radio edit, because I do that sometimes. But there were a lot
of bad words of the not just bad words, but things that we don't
necessarily like to air. Yeah, so I couldn't play that. But so
we went with that up Jumps dub Boogie the radio edit. But I have
a very specific memory of Well here, let's look at the TMC article quickly,
and then I'll talk about my memory of Magoo. TMZ reports Rapper Magoo
dead at fifty. It says here Rapper Magoo, Timbaland's former collaborator, has
died. Recording artists Digital Black confirmed Magoo's passing in an Instagram post, writing
quote, man can't believe this, riih Magoo, Damn Big Bro wasn't ready
for this at all. Unquote. Digital accompanied his message with a cover of
Magoo, his real name was Melvin Barcliff and Timberland's nineteen ninety seven album Welcome
to Our World, and I think that's the album that has clock strikes on
it. Magoo's cause of death was not disclosed, nor were details about the
circumstances surrounding it. Many of his famous friends took to social media to share
their condolences. So TMZ is saying, we don't know the cause of death,
but I saw something else that's ad a heart attack. But that might
just be a conjecture because CMC usually has it before anybody. So if TMC
doesn't have the official cause of death yet, to night not official. Yeah.
Singer Genuine lamented quote, time was short. I don't even know how
to say anything at this point. I've lost three friends now within a month
to life and it's to date. Genuine went on quote, this dude always
pushed me. I will miss you Magoo or Maganu. Maganu, that's what
we called him. Yeah, actually, I think in that's in that track
he refers to him as Maganu, totally one of the best ever in my
eyes, always pressing forward. What does that mean? I know, well
it's Magoo, but Maganu it's another way of saying magoo. Apparently there's a
there's another way of saying magoo, which I'm gonna talk about in a moment,
So let's see. Yeah, so he was, yeah, fifty year
years old. You know what I always think of and what I immediately remember
when I when I was alerted to his passing, EASYG sent me an article
and I'd just seen it on the news too. When I was you know,
at that time, late nineties, I was working at Strawberries on loudon
Rode and Conquered and of course we sold CDs and DVDs and so forth.
And this guy comes in one day and he was looking for Timberland and Magoo,
but for some reason he thought it was Macanow. He comes in,
he's like, do you have do you have Timberland and Macanow? And we
were like, uh me and Bobby b this, So other guys working there
were like, do you mean Timberland and Magoo and he insisted, no,
it's Macaw and he and he got angry with us and stormed out without his
CD. And I swear to God, and he was looking for he was
looking for Timberland and Magoo. Now I realized though, all these years later,
he must have heard heard it said that way in a and and thought
that that was the guy's name. I didn't realize that part until now.
I just thought it was some weird guy. But yeah, he got I
remember, he got angry. He's like, it's Meganu. And he stormed
out of the store in a huff. You see you out there, You're
storming around. You're stuck in his memory. Yeah, yeah, I bet
he's listening right now and going, yeah, wait, that was me.
Yeah, Hey, I hope he feels badly. He was very rude.
We tried to help him. It's yo. You mean Timberland and Magoo.
No, it's Timberland and Meganu. And he every time you say that,
all I can think of was a macadamia nut. And I don't know why.
It just sounds like it's a nut. Well, that guy seemed like
a nut. Oh that's true, the guy who stormed out, not Maganu.
He's dead now. So yeah, so age fifty and by the way,
speaking of age fifty and hip hop, I don't know if we haven't
talked about this on the show yet. And I've got to remember because our
friend Eric Pilter, of course, is a big hip hop fan. We've
had some great discussions on the air about hip hop. This is the fifty
year anniversary of hip hop and when it started in New York. So in
fact, I heard a great interview with Chuck D from Public Enemy the other
day about it and the origins of hip hop in New York City. And
so yeah, hip hop turns turns fifty this month. So maybe I'll maybe
I'll play some Public Enemy. Not today because we have a musical guest coming
up, but I did want to play. I did want to play that.
So rest in peace of Magoo or Maganu or however one wants to refer
to you as any any word from our guest. No, but I am
getting a word from the chat room that people are having a hard time finding
us. Yeah, Melanie says Bruce strikes again. Yeah, because I see
some people in the chat room, but it looks like it's the viewer count
is frozen. So we must be having an issue with Facebook. So I'm
going to, uh, I'm actually going to end that. Facebook just shared
it all out. Well, I'm going to start a new one because well,
because they're clearly was something wrong with that one, and it's not letting
me start a new one. Yeah, we're having a Facebook issue here.
Oh, here we go. Okay, now it's uh now it's back on,
but it hesitated though. I think Facebook is being super glitchy, you
know, but that happens. But I always say, too, what do
you want for free? You know it's Facebook? So we're going to restart.
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so most of the old Facebook feed. Yes, yes, So onward,
onward and upward we go. And if you are just joining us,
Bob Heney is our guests in the first hour, but he might have a
he might have a snaffoos, so we'll see if he's able to join us.
But we do have JAM tomorrow. We will be our guests in the
second hour on the program. Something uh, something that's been brewing that I
think is pretty interesting that we haven't had a chance to get to on the
show. Is this debate that might be coming beach. A couple of governors,
one of them is allegedly running for president and the other one is not.
But Governor Ron De Santis of Florida versus Governor Gavin Newsome of California,
and it looks like there might be there might be a snapp who there political
reporting Newsome versus De santist debate stalling over Fox News audience. It says the
California Democrat in Florida Republican agreed to the debate but hit a stalemate over the
network hosting a live studio audience. So I hope this doesn't fall apart.
There's a quick update here, and then I just have a couple of observations.
It says here Gavin Newsom and Ron De Santis have reached an impass in
their Fox News debate planned for November, a person with knowledge of the stalemate
said yesterday, De Santis, the Republican governor of Florida, is pushing for
the face off to occur in front of a live audience, which the democratic
California governor prohibited in his proposal to Fox News is Sean Hannity quote, this
is about having a debate, not a TV spectacle, unquote, the person
familiar with the negotiations told Politico, narrowing the scope of the disagreement between the
two camps, Newsome and Aids previously derided several aspects of the Desantists counter proposal,
which included a studio audience divided evenly between them, dismissing the idea as
a cheering section, even in an age of constant televised town halls, of
the primetime event between the ambitious governor who may one day make a White House
bid and the Republican candidate for president would be unprecedented in modern politics. The
question of whether to involve an audience is a significant one that contend how TV
viewers digest the Fox broadcast. CNN took considerable heat for its recent town hall
with former President Donald Trump. All Right, I don't want to get into
all that, but that's where things stand. There's a little bit of a
stalemate. I'm going to kind of skip down here, it says. Newsome
said Friday in Sacramento that he had no update on the planned event when asked
by reporters. A DeSantis campaign spokesman had no comment on Sunday. The debate
over the debate as mostly played out behind the scenes between each side and Fox.
Newsome, who recently sat for an eighty eight minute taped interview with Hannity
in Sacramento, that the two men agreed to over text messages, first proposed
the debate with DeSantis last September. It was Newsom who suggested the conservative commentator
serve as moderator, both to make it a more attractive offer to DeSantis and
remove excuses he might offer about media bias. For months, the two men
have gone round after round, shadow boxing before the public, but never confronting
each other in person. Knewsom fact checked de Santis's campaign launch and challenged him
over revisions to school textbooks. After a plane of migrants with Florida documentation touchdown
in Sacramento, k Newsom called the Santis a quote small pathetic man unquote and
floated the possibility of charging him with kidnapping. He later qualified a suite to
include charging anyone responsible for the transport, including state contractors, to potentially put
a chill on companies considering getting involved in the moves. De Santis has mocked
Newsom's handling of homelessness and quality of life crimes and ridiculed California for overdoing its
stricter approach to the pandemic. It goes on and on with the back and
forth between the two again, skipping down. Politico reported in June that after
months of skepticism and some mistrust mistrust between the younger governor and the president's political
orbit, they found a loyal soldier in Newsom, who subsequently has raised millions
of dollars for their twenty twenty four effort. Skipping down again. Okay,
well, that it's us a little bit of an update, so it may
not happen, and I've been skeptical from the beginning, but I, oh,
it doesn't sound like use this message to me, doesn't sound like Bob's
gonna make it. No, okay, that's okay another time. So what
is interesting about this to me is apparently so the White House has uh signed
off on this, and that they are supportive of the idea of Newsome and
De Santis debating. And I think that I can see an argument from the
standpoint of the well from the campaign, from Biden's campaign, both for and
against this. So for Ron De Santis, it's a this is I can't
lose proposition, in my view, because it gets him more exposure. It's
another opportunity to appeal to to prospective Republican voters and so forth. For Newsome,
this is also a fantastic opportunity if it happens to really get him exposure
to a national audience of Democrats. Because when I think of these two guys
on a debate stage, I think of twenty twenty eight. I'm not thinking
about twenty twenty four. I'm thinking about twenty twenty eight. What's interesting to
me is so apparently the Biden campaign has given this their blessing, but I
don't know. See this could this could help Biden, It could hurt Biden,
It could be a wash. Now the way it can help him,
obviously is Newsome. If you saw it, did you see any of his
sit down with Sean Hannity? Not so Gavin Newsom And for those who aren't
familiar with him, he's been around it, but I think he was before
he was governor. He was the mayor of was it San Francisco. He's
very uh, he came across really well. Even Patrick Bett David on his
podcast, who does not like Gavin Newsom at all and says that he actually
left California specifically because of Gavin Newsom's policies. Even PbD said that when he
saw the sit down with Sean Hannity and he watched the whole ninety minutes,
he said Newsome brought it. I mean those were his words. He said,
Newsom brought it. He showed up. He was prepared. He's he's
smart, he's articulate, he knows how to you know, knows how to
spin the issues and so forth. So he's a very very talented politician and
he really showed that. And he wasn't and again Patrick Bett, David not
a fan of Gavin Newsom, but looking at it objectively, he said,
you know, Newsom really held his own with Hannity, and you know there
was a lot of buzz around that. I haven't watched the whole thing.
I've watched some of it. There's a lot of us around it. Though
Newsom does come come off very very well, very smart, quick, polished,
all the things. You know, if you were building a perfect politicians,
He's all the things you would put into that in terms of ingredients.
So where Newsome might be helpful to Biden in that situation where he's debating to
Santists, even though obviously the Santists isn't going to be the nominee. But
we'll come back to that. So Newsome could be helpful to Biden in terms
of his ability to articulate, you know, if he wants to talk about
democratic policies, wants to talk about accomplishments, you know, act as a
surrogate, which is obviously what he would be doing acting as a surrogate for
Biden and articulating accomplishments legislatively so forth, you know, whatever, whatever they
discussed in the debate, Newsome will be very effective doing that. The problem
for Biden, though, and where this could backfire is Newsome could be very
effective at doing that. And the reason I say that that could backfire on
Biden is will Democrats see Gavin Newsom in this debate if it happens, and
as they're observing how he's you know, he's sharp, he's articulate, knows
the issues. Oh and did I mention he's a hell of a lot younger
than Joe Biden. Will Democrats see that and observe this and say, yeah,
maybe we got to get the old man out of there because we're missing
an opportunity here. So I can see that potentially backfiring. It could also
be a wash. And there's also an excellent chance none of this even happens.
But but if nothing else, it's an opportunity for both of them to
kind of show up for twenty twenty eight because run de Santis. First of
all, you know, you've got a field of Republican candidates who are not
going to be the nominee. Trump is going to be the nominee. We
all know it. If you think any of these people are gonna somehow take
that nomination from Trump, you're delusional even, you know, and you might
be someone who very much wants for that to happen, But it's not going
to happen. By the way, I agree with you. John Hopwood says
in the chat room, Newsom is running for president. I agree with you,
John Newsom is running for president. He's running for president and twenty twenty
eight, he's not gonna He's not gonna pull a knife out and you know,
stick Biden. Okay, in my opinion, i'd be shocked, shocked.
But DeSantis knows he's not going to be the nominee. DeSantis, you
know, I could say a lot of really horrible things about him, and
I probably have at various points. I'm sure that I have. But he's
not stupid. He knows he's not going to be the nominee in twenty twenty
four. This is a test run Ron de Santis. Look, I mean
the other Republicans in the field, they're running for a variety of you know,
there's many reasons to run for president other than wanting to be president.
You know, Mike Pence is trying to sell his book. He knows he's
not going to be the Nominee's trying to sell his book. Senator Tim Scott.
He knows he's not going to be the nominee. He wants to be
the vice presidential nominee. And I think he also has a book to sell.
You know, Nicki Haley, she's running for president. Yes, but
in twenty twenty eight, same as Ron de Santis run. De Santis is
running for president. He's not running for president in twenty twenty four. He's
running for president in twenty twenty eight. I firmly believe that he knows he's
not going to be the nominee. He knows that. I mean, look
at Trump. Every thing that happens to him that is legally detrimental, is
fantatic. It's good business, you know Trump. Some people say Trump is
not very smart. I don't think he's a deep thinker. I don't think
he's an intellectual. But he is smart in some ways. He understands marketing
and branding. He understands his brand, and he understands his audience. He
understands his customers, he understands who he's selling to. And never in my
life if I've seen an example of somebody who I mean, he's coming up
on indictment number four and it only makes him stronger. He says, they're
not indicting me, they're indicting all of us. Send me money, and
they send him money. It's it's actually he's doing Gangbusters business. So so
DeSantis knows he's not going to be the nominee, so he's running. This
is a test run for twenty twenty eight. And that's what the debate with
Newsom will be if it happens. And same with Gavin Newsom. Newsom's not
gonna He's not gonna do something to screw over by it. And you know,
unless you know, maybe he wants to be sort of an understudy just
in case, just in case something happens. You know, part of the
one of the liabilities. I mean, Biden has two enormous liabilities. One
of them is his son, clearly, which we've talked about a lot on
the show recently. But the other one is his age. And you know,
again, not to be agist, I hate to be agist, but
I am practical and pragmatic about these matters. Joe Biden is only one year
younger than Mitch McConnell. If Joe Biden has a Mitch McConnell moment. I
mean, can you imagine if Joe and what if that were to happen during
a during a debate or a speech or a meeting with a foreign dignitary.
Oh yeah, it would be over. It would be over. Hi,
welcome to Matt Connerton unleashed. Who's this John C. Hawkwood to see us
with chatterbox, specifically irresponsible chatterbox? Oh uh, well call me irresponsible?
What's up? What's up? What's up me? And irresponsible shatter bug.
Newsom is for Newsom? I remember him from California. Oh, that's right,
so he's Yeah, he's positioning himself as an alternative to Biden should Biden
obviously fail over the next year. Because let's remember, you know, Biden,
whatever we can say about him, you can say some positive stuff and
some negative stuff, just like anie president in his first term. At this
time is uh, you know, he's two years old and he might not
be around in a year. I don't mean necessarily gone rip, John,
are you are you hanging out with some frogs? I hear frogs in the
background. No, that's a motorcycle. That just drove by. Okay,
I'm actually sitting outside enjoying the non rainy weather. Oh, very good,
very good. All right, just making sure are you attacking my French Canadian
heritage? Not at all. I wouldn't dare. I don't know. I
thought it was more like a boiling water kind of a soundish boiling water having
a baby. But just saying, Newsome's for Newsom? You know, is
he indeed going to debate the Santis? Well, they've hit a snag.
They're supposed to debate on Fox, but they've hit a little bit of a
bit of a snag, so we shall see what what is the snag?
Does anybody know yes, that that the Santis is uh is thinking is apical
career? Is thinking like a stone? No, no, no, no.
I think de Santis is all for it. But there's there's an issue
in terms of doing this in front of a live studio audience on Fox,
and uh why I think, uh Newsom doesn't want to walk into a situation
where you know, it's uh, he's got a biased crowd against him.
You mean, like, yeah, that is obviously true. But I think
the biggest thing is he's probably getting pressure in the Democratic Party because they just
announced that Kamla Harris isn't be a major part of the campaign and she can
obviously cannot be happy that Newsom's running around like you know, Joe Biden's self
anointed successor. Right, Well, that's there is that component to it.
Yes, Kamala Harris, who obviously as the vice president is she's the vice
president? Oh really, yes, Jenny, you hit you hit that one
right on the mail. Have you seen have you seen this individual as a
I don't know. No. Actually, just recently she was in Florida was
speaking out about their uh the little change in the curriculum there that you have
to us you have to also teach about the positives of slavery, and there
were positives to slavery. Did you know this? I would never have even
occurred to me, to be honest with you, remember any of my history
teachers. Well, we don't want, we don't want our beautiful white children
to feel badly about anything, so we have to we have to make sure
that they understand the positives of slavery. But put on, there were positives
in slavery, uh uh at people of African origin were introduced to the piano
and that we come jazz and white met people got the band Joe, which
came out of a gourd like instrument from West Africa, and unfortunately we got
hill billy country music and we get the worst of the deal. Yeah,
to keep an open mind about East, I see it is fully. Every
time you hear a country song and it's driving you nuts, that is a
legacy of slavery. Try that in a small town. I have a conversation
with you, but uh yeah, later, okay, I'll leave you on
that wonderful insight. All right, John, we appreciate it, by bye.
All right. That was our friend John Hopwood. And uh uh the
thoughts of John who not reflect the show or the station or anything like that,
but interesting really his own can take rust nature interesting this time? Interesting
insight there. Yeah, no, he was chatterbox, chatterbox, Yes,
Yes, the studio line is open six O three two five six seven six
ZHO three two five six seven. If you would like to join us,
we'll get caught up with the Facebook live chat here. Let's see Melanie and
Jay Fetter both in there, of course from the great Vermont. Jenny,
I see that you're in there. I'm everywhere. Scott Robinson says in the
chat, in honor of the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop, I was once
considered the lyrical Jesse James, my goodness, Oh, I feel like that's
from a song. Miriam Bannish joins us in the chat and says, yeay,
Sorry, I'm rejoicing because I'm in the room. Well, don't be
sorry. We're glad that you're in the room very much. Eric Street joins
us and says, nice seeing you the other day. Yes, I ran
into Eric at the Hanniford in Bedford, Erica. It was nice to see
him. I'd only met him in person once before, and Eric mentioned to
me that he had once run into Peter White at the Hanniford in Bedford as
well. It's a great meetup spot. Yes, yes. Carol Zawarrowitz joins
us in the Facebook live chat. Hello, Carol, Melanie says, when
did Republicans become such a bunch of babies they are unable to have an actual
debate. Well, actually, there's a debate coming up in Milwaukee, I
think in less than ten days, but I don't believe the former president is
going to be there. Mister Trump he's but he has no reason to.
So the if a whole bunch of them get behind A Santas, it would
be safe to assume that whole bunch of who Republicans just if voters are the
other candidates, you mean, if the voters, If the voters get behind
them, I would assume that would mean that the Florida curriculum, such as
the banning of the Diary of Ann Frank for pornography, will be spread across
this great nation. Yes, I believe. Well, isn't that one of
the campaign slogans, I believe make America Florida or something. Yes, so
we have to change our curriculum. H make America Florida. I guess we're
going to teach the good sides to the Holocaust next. Well, since the
Diary of Anne Frank is now pornographic material, that is just so mind boggling
to me. It's just like, well, I think Greg Gutfeld would advocate
for that for that, but uh, yeah, so they are. They
are having The first Republican debate will be coming. I always look forward to
that every four years. The Santis and Kennedy have more in common than I'm
realizing. RFK Yeah, rfk Uh said something I did appreciate, believe it
or not, and I believe it was in Iowa. He apparently opposes the
war on drugs and wants to the blind dog gets a bone once in a
while months to decriminalize things and put money towards treatment of drug addiction rather than
treating drug addicts like criminals, because if you're Jewish, you probably won't need
that under his line, because everything will be created to not hurt your genetic
makeup. Yeah, we are talking about the same man that has U on
the campaign trail, who's out there saying that the COVID virus was manufactured to
not attack Jewish people full and Chinese people, right, yes, everybody else.
Yeah that does sound insane. Yeah, this is what we're up against.
These are the people running for president of the United States. Got anti
Semitic. I don't know where to put them in the What do you say
about these people? And this is being accepted as mainstream. This is not
This is not a conspiracy anymore. This isn't people being weird or whatever.
These people are mainstream, like, this is the real thing. You know,
Slavery is good for black people and Jews, didn't get hurt by COVID,
and this is the reality that we're looking at for presidential candidates. I
am embarrassed to be an American when I say that out loud. Well,
I'm a little more I'm a little more optimistic. I think that because I
think that the general perception, So talking about RFK for a moment, I
think the general perception is that he's a lunatic, but obviously, but I
think he's also he's being used by conservatives as kind of a useful idiot because
he says he buys into a lot of sort of right wing conspiracy theorism,
like you know about like he's an anti vaxer and things like that. So
that so, so I think there are some people, particularly you know,
like Fox News, that they love him the personalities on there. But I
think he's I think he's useful to them. But I think I'm more optimistic
in that I think the vast majority of Americans look at a guy like RFK
and the things that he says and think he's just crazy. Have you learned
nothing, I'm sitting here looking at you in shock. Have you learned nothing
from the last few years? Oh? People are people know that he's would
you call him a nut? Yeah? Yes, you people load. People
aren't going to follow a nut, really, really, Maddie, No,
some people are. Some people are following him. But I'm just saying,
but I just think that the majority of people see him as a number,
and I don't see him that makes you sleep better at night. I don't.
I don't see him transcending that. I mean, he's certainly not going
to be the He's certainly not going to be the nominee. I mean he's
trying to. He's trying to be the nominee of the Democratic part us to
hang out with Hugo Chavez. Well, this is our reality. This is
mainstream news now, right, And you don't think people are going to follow
the nut? Oh? Come on, not him, He's too nutty.
There's there's a limit. There's no limit. I hope there is. If
there's not, we're really in trouble. I'm a little I'm a little more
optimistic. I stopped being optimistic a little while ago. I really did.
The more evidence that comes out about what Trump has done, and the more
people that are still not willing to jump off that train, a little piece
of me goes even more every time Melanie says in the chat room to Santasis
so anti LGBTQ. Plus, I don't think he would allow anyone to get
behind him. Ah, you got him, very well done there, you
actually you got Matt. Let me see your cheeks. I bet they're pink.
No, let's see. I want to know what's going to happen.
Well, No, I want all of these trials to be televised, and
I want to see what the excuses are to explain away some of this hard
core evidence, like video evidence, Like I want to know how that's going
to get explained away. You know, it's perfectly normal for candidates to send
teams and to mess around with voting equipment during an election. That's normal,
don't you know, Right it means video. It's video. They've got text
messages, videos, nothing matters. He could literally sit there and shoot somebody
like he said, and it's not gonna matter. They're not gonna walk away
from it, right, They're gonna stick by his side. And these are
the same people that are backing everything that the Santis is doing in Florida.
It's spreading, it's getting worse. That's why I don't have any optimism anymore.
This insanity has has just continued to grow across our nation. It's infected
our schools in the most disgusting of ways. Well, Oh, Mike Doyle
is on the line. Hi Mike, Hey, Matt and Jen, how
goes the battle? Good? How are you very good? Thanks? Very
good? Hey, I was just turned you on and I just heard Jen
say something about that Florida curriculum. And she's made the narrative that every left
wing newspaper has made that about the slavery and the instruction. And I don't
know, it's just like the Don't Say Gay bill, where there's not one
word that says the word gay in the bill, but that's the narrative that
people picked up, and it's misleading. Excuse me, I'm not excuse me.
I am not misleading anyone, and I am not repeating a narrative.
I am telling the exact fact. You let answer this to me. You
so you're you're going to argue against it. This is they're telling kids that
something good came out of slavery, that people have people, yes they are,
yes they are, and they take it really and they've taken the Diary
of Ann Frank out of Florida schools for pornography. Yeah yeah, let me
read the Let me read the actual quote so we can have facts, not
not innuendo. The instruction Slaves Got It says, instructions includes how slaves develop
skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit, which is
exactly what I just said, exactly what they're trying to what they're trying to
say. And this was written by a black scholar of black literature, saying
that such people like cooks learned how to cook, how to being they were
a slave as a cook, but they learned how to cook. Some people
who were taught to learn skills such as sewing. Certainly, do you remember
teaching Do you remember learning that? Do you remember learning that in school?
Were you taught in school that slaves learned to have great skills to use?
Were you taught that when you were in school? Because I sure attack was
not my son, that just no, none of us were so because that's
exactly what you just said, what you just read is that they are teaching
kids that they earned skills as slaves to better their lives. That's literally what
you just said, And that's exactly what I said, so I still,
first of all, you're using the word you're using the word slaves meaning all
of them. And in this in this line, it says, in some
instances, I thought, all slaves care how pretty you make the front of
the sentence. It's still saying I'm reading. I'm reading the sentence to you.
I think that if you want to, if you want to change it,
if you want to change it, and then continue with your narratives,
you can do all. You can do that all you want. You literally
just read to me that slaves learned valuable skills, some slaves, some slaves.
I never said that. So you can keep saying that all you want.
But all right, let me let me read it to you. Let
me read it to you one more time, and then you guys can chew
on a little bit of do whatever you want. Instruction includes how slaves develop.
This is instruction includes how slaves develop skills which in some instances could be
applied to their personal benefit. You don't think that's a disgusting sent You find
that acceptable? You truly find I don't. I find it. I find
it a fact that it's people who are people who are slaves. But we're
learning how to cook, learning how to sew, learning how to raise crops,
learning how to take care of horses, learning how to do welding for
carriages. In some instances, they could apply that to it as a personal
benefit. Slavery is wrong, don't don't conflate the two. Slavery is definitely
wrong when nobody likes it. It shouldn't have happened. It's part of our
history. But all they're saying in this is that is that in some instances,
that's what it says, verbatim, some of these skills they learn could
be used for their personal benefit. So here's that's all it says. So
here, okay, So here's here's the the issue, Mike, as I
see it. But I understand what you're saying. But here's here's the problem.
In a broader sense, is that there has been a movement in this
country, you know, and social media helps to propagate this stuff. There
has been a movement in this country in some circles to try to kind of
whitewash and downplay slavery. I'll give you an example. I've seen people on
certain and I know you don't like you're not a big internet guy, You're
not a social media guy. You probably haven't listened to these different podcasts that
are out there and whatnot. But I'll just give you an example. There's
there's these sort of white nationalist internet media personalities who will whenever the subject of
slavery comes up, they'll say, well, what about what about Irish people?
Irish people were enslaved, they were treated poorly, And they do this
thing where they'll give other examples of slavery, of people being enslaved, not
just people from Africa, and they'll and they'll use that as a narrative to
try to downplay slavery and make it seem like it wasn't that bad. So
concern is from my perspective, this is how I see it, and this
is why I think people are so sensitive to this is this looks like when
educators in Florida are now being told they have to include something about the benefits
of slavery or however you want to however you want to frame that verbiage.
It seems like then maybe that's not the intention. Maybe it is, but
it comes across as oh, okay. This is part of the larger effort
that some people are making to whitewash slavery and to downplay it. And that's
why, at least I think that's why people are so sensitive to this,
and that's the problem. And so I disagree with it. I don't think
it should be in there. And I don't care how you read the sentence.
It's disgusting, Well again a disgusting statement. Well, what I'm bothered
by this is how it contributes to the larger narrative that some people out there
are pushing to try to downplay slavery. That is problematic to me. I
mean, even my dad, who I don't think he'll mind me say in
this on the show, and my dad's very conservative, but even texted me
and he said, you know, he disagrees with what they're doing in Florida
with this, and he thinks it's wrong. So, you know, because
again there's a there's a there's a respond here. Let me respond to your
two things. One is the the Irish thing is is a what about ism,
which you hate and I and I agree is wrong. Yeah, you
know, that's just wrong. That's for somebody to make that argument is just
stupid. And and and the other thing is, well, I forgot my
second point I had something you were going to say a thing, and I
was making a point. But I'm just trying to make I don't know.
I'm just trying to make the point that the sentence doesn't say all slavery.
With Mike, it doesn't matter if it says all or one. If it
says any, it's disgusting and wrong. And that's the part that you're not
getting. It's discussing on when I said, you don't think that the people
who are coming came over on boats and then we're put into kitchens, put
into put into stable all under all unto slavery, all wrong. Oh my
god, you really need you need to hear looking of stables of crop?
You just racist comment. I think i've ever heard you make. No no,
no, are you kidding me? No, I am not kidding me,
not at all. Nothing. This has nothing to do with nothing that
you can do to sugarcoat slavery. Oh you learned how to cook. I
know it was good. I don't think that's I don't think that's Mike's intention,
But I think he's I think what I'm doing at all at all,
But he's that's ridiculous. But he's talking about the verbiage. I understand what
you're saying, Mike, but I also think again, we have to keep
in mind what the larger narrative is here. And by the way, it's
it's easy for you know, white guys like you and me from New Hampshire
to just say, oh, well, they're just saying, you know,
some slaves list and that. But I mean, how do you think blackam
Americans feel when they hear this stuff? No, probably it probably you know,
in hindsight, you look at it and you probably say it was probably
stupid to put in there, right then, So that's what we're saying.
Well, so it was do we agree them? So it sounds like we
have some agreement there that it probably shouldn't have been in there because it's causing
this much fluff. Well, you know what I mean, it's just causing.
But the problem I have. The problem I have is we're changing the
narrative to say all slaves. I'm not changing. How can they say it's
the benefit too. Do not agree that some slaves that had no skills at
all and you are an evil person? No? Oh my god. People
were stolen from their communities, people were were shackled and stolen from their homes
where they cooked and they hunted, and they took care of their families.
And they were smart, and they were intelligent human beings that were forced onto
a ship, brought over here, shoved into people's homes, and made to
work till death. But if they got a skill out of it, that's
okay. Oh my god. No, these people were smart, intelligent people
who had lives and were stolen. They weren't. You make it sound like
they were complete, not smart individuals who who only got their teachings from the
This is the scutt I don't think that's Mike's intention, but I but not
at all. It's not my intention, nor did I do that. So
I don't know what she's talking about. Chicken rantalls, who wants I don't
care. But well, I'm very passionate against my disgust and disdain for anything
that tries to make slavery fluffy. Yeah, I'm not trying to do that.
I'm not trying to do that either. I'm trying to make sense of
the sentence itself. No, I think what the the black scholar who what
the black scholar who wrote it was trying to make people understand that there may
have been an iota of personal something that these slaves got out of learning how
to cook, learning how to be stablemates, learning how to run crops learning.
That's all he was trying to the point he was trying to make and
it just got blown up into you know, Florida hate black. But but
Mike, when you when you say it just got blown up into, then
you're you're really kind of being dismissive in terms of the reaction to it.
And again I would just say, well, you know, I mean,
we're we're we're white. We're we're white guys from New Hampshire. So we
can sit around and say, oh, look at this just got blown up
into a whole big fluff when in reality, I mean, if you're a
black American and you're hearing about this, you know that's gonna be like whoa,
Now they're making slavery sound like a jobs program, and who can blame
anyone for feeling that way? So but I think didn't we We did agree
though that it shouldn't have been in there, right, they shouldn't have put
that in there. Yeah, we have some agree we shouldn't have been in
there. Okay, you know, the guy wrote it. I don't know
why I put it in there if it's going to cause this much, you
know what I mean, If that's just but that was his thought, I
guess I don't know. Yeah, but I was just trying to calm down
the temperament of of you know, I don't know, it's just taking it
to a new angle. I guess it's not a new angle. They're they're
saying that slavery had good parts. That's what I said, That's what from
in the in the in the statement, it says in some instant, I
don't care if you say in some in one or in twenty thousand, in
anything is unacceptable and disgusting. There's uh. I just feel I feel there's
a larger purpose, uh to for the for legislature, for legislators in Florida
to be okay with that. And by the way, De Santis has tried
to run away from this. He wants he won't even take ownership of it,
even though it's Chris Chrissy pointed out, he's the one who lit the
fire with the anti woke or whatever that bill is that he signed. But
but I really have a feeling, Mike, that there's a larger purpose for
these legislators in Florida to be so on board with this, and it's and
it worries me, and it worries me, and hate is something that is
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, but do you see no do you
see no truth in that some slaves they're slaves, don't don't don't change that
they're slaves, and it's wrong. Sure, but some slate, some skate
slaves learned skills. I'm not gonna sign off. I'm not going to sign
off on that statement. Absolutely not, you know, I mean, I
think, I think you know, from what I know of history, I
know that some slaves were given specific jobs because of skills that they already had
when they were captured and forced into slavery. But I'm not I'm not gonna
buy in any narrative that makes it sound like a jobs program. And you
know, because there's a larger plan with that, Mike, and I want
nothing to do with that larger plan. Yeah, I don't. I don't
either. That's right. When she's calling she's calling me racist, it's just
ridiculous. Well, Mike, you're defending, you are defending something born from
racism that sentence you keep reading. That sentence that you keep reading is one
hundred percent racist, one hundred percent Well, like I said, I'm more,
I'm more worried about the larger narrative that it propagates. Yeah, and
I understand what you're saying, Man, I do, I do, all
right, But to call up and have a discussion about the actual verbiage and
then for her to call me a racist is just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous.
Nice try, bucko. I'm sure everybody's going to keep reading that people
from there. You just keep reading that racist statement to people, keep doing
well. I'm not, I'm not. You were you were talking about you
were talking about it, and I brought and so I called about the discussion.
And the language that you keep reading and think is just beautiful and fine
and fluffy is disgusting and racist. And if you're gonna was beautiful and comment
in your what does that make your buddy? What does it make you look
in the mirror? You're defending a racist comment. You keep reading it over
and over again like it's somehow going to be less racist. It's racist and
it's offensive and it doesn't belong in a school system. It doesn't belong anywhere
in the United States. I think I think I think we actually, I
think we agree that it doesn't belong in the school system. I think we
did land on it to keep reading the sentence and say claiming it's not a
racist statement. It is. It's very racist. I didn't. I can't
imagine what it's like for a black mother to have to send their child to
school thinking that's what the kid's gonna get taught. No, I think we,
I think we, I think we agree on that that it's problematic.
It's what's that. It's definitely it's definitely problematic. It shouldn't have been in
there. Good, I'm glad. I just don't think. I don't think
the black scholar who wrote it intentions were to say that, you know what
I mean. I just I don't think that was his intention. That's all.
I'm okay, No, fair enough, I'll let you I'll let you
go. I can only be called racist so many times when I'm not,
so I'll let you go. Keep all right, all right, Mike,
thanks for the call, Bye bye. Just keep saying the racist sentence and
see if it sounds less racist if you say at twenty more times. All
right, we got to get to a break. I see musicians in the
hallway. So what we're gonna do is we've got they've got a brand new
song, and we're going to play that this studio track, and then they're
going to come in and perform live on the air. So we've got jam
tomorrow and one of these guys I used to be in a bandwidth, as
I mentioned earlier, So let's give this a listen. This is called killing
time, brand new from Jack. Whoops, something else's plan. Hang on,
let me fix that little I don't know where that audio is coming I'm
coming from. That's not good. You have something playing from somewhere. All
right, here we go. I think I got it. I think I
got it. It's Monday. Here we go. There is a song I
want to tell from the way back deep black A Well, there there is
a song I need to sing. It seems it's somehow God away. I'm
just killing time until time kills me. A coined for the pyramid, a
ring for the sea, give light, darkness, give life unto you claim
until time kills me. I'm killing time to day. There is a story
from the Distant Pass before the first became the last. There is a story
I need to share, came from no place and it's going Noway. I'm
just killing the time until time kills me. A coin for the ferrymen,
a ring for the sea, give light to darkness, give life unto you
clay until time kills me. I'm killing time to day. There is a
message that must be conveyed from whatever place you have me. There was a
message I needed to pass on. But it's gone. It's gone, It's
gone, gone, gone gone. No, I'm just killing time until time
kills me. A coin for the ferrymen for the sea, give light to
darkness, give life unto clay until time kills me up killing time today,
I'm just killing time till time kills me. A coin for the fairy man,
A ring for the sea, Give light to darkness, give life unto
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of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, Shaw archives,
etcetera, etcetera. Today is Monday, August fourteen, twenty twenty three.
Jenny is here at the news desk, present and accounted for, and
we've got a great band here with you. So I'm going to introduce,
Uh, Michael Helpley Pierce. How are you, sir? You said my
name right, You've already worned my heart, my friend. Well, you
and I were in a band together, so you know, I kind of
I probably should get your name right. I appreciate that. I'm really happy
to be here. This is a long overdo It's been too long since we've
had fun together. Yeah, it's great to see you man, great to
see you, and I love I love the song there, thank you that
killing time and your new project jam tomorrow. And what I would like you
to do, sir, if you wouldn't mind, is I'll let you introduce
these other two gentlemen who I'm meeting for the first time today. I'd be
happy to do so. So joining me on my far left is the amazing
Mark Vadney on six string acoustic and occasionally electric. He's he and I started
the band kind of as a COVID project, really just try to not go
crazy and sit six feet apart and still make some music with people and deal
with the madness that was happening three or four years ago. Uh, and
not too long thereafter we start playing gigs, and we very shortly thereafter drafted
Gary Smith, who's sitting in the middle. Gary Handle's bass and eight string,
sometimes twelve string. Marks sometimes is on twelve string as well. I'm
only ever on the G string. It's about all I'm going to play in
it. Always, always at a tune, always at its G string.
I feel like I've heard that joke before. I'm sure, sure, I'm
sure I'll use the first time today. Ye. So we started playing together,
I don't know, probably two years ago, doing mostly what I would
call hokey singer songwriter covers, started expending that a little bit more. We're
working on originals and we're now at a point where we have I think twenty
five originals. Wow, ready to go. We just recorded the first one,
which you guys were kind enough to debut for us, Yes, the
World radio premier. Yeah. Yeah, great stuff, and we've got more
to record behind that. We've got a really cool engineer that we're working with,
and we're we're really happy to make some more of that happen. Outstanding
by the way. Mike from Queen City Cabinetry Mike Pelopidas in the Facebook lave
chat and says, good to see Michael. Yeah, good to see you.
In my friend he was an old customer, old friend of mine.
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's mentioned you. And of course Queen City Cabinetry,
one of our great sponsors here at WMNH. Well, listen, you
guys want to you want to play, play something for us, and I'll
ride the faders a little bit. We're not we can't really no way to
do an off air or sound check so to speak. But I'll do my
best with the mixing. But yeah, what do you you want to play?
Uh? Yeah, So We've got a bunch of aginals lined up for
you. We tried to kind of pick a smattering both stylistically and subject matter.
I'm a little overly intellectual in my lyrics self, admittedly, and these
guys are amazing musicians. This is a song about the triumphs of the Taro
Deck. So this is sort of a psychedelic visual journey through the twenty one
triumphs in the place of the fool taking the journey itself and how that's kind
of all of us. So this one's called twenty two all right, traveling
through the world, pass popes and potent as princesses and love look my way
and waiting. But the one with the way to the world is in my
chariot, and that Mugenin might become yet just the fool who's springing after the
edges, Got my bag, I got my dog, got stepping of legend.
As the carter tells, I see I always bring the rules, carefree,
don't care for me. I have to play the fool. I have
to play the fool. I need to have the strength to hold the lion
tights and stand alone in darkness, holding out the light as the wheel of
fortune spends his justice on my side, as they hang me upside down,
my hands behind me, tired. Just the food springing at the edges,
Got my bag, I got my dog. I'm stepping off of legend as
the deck fan down. I see how fate is cruel, care free,
don't care for me. I have to play the fool. After baby fool,
and I smelt death unmistakable, A man upon the warm to one glass
empty, one blast fool as the devil binds me in chains, as I
can see the towers fall, but I avoid the lighting somehow, was getting
it all? Just the book who's springing at the edges, got my bag,
I got my dog. I'm stepping off of legend as the card rained
down. I'm drowning in the pool. Care every don't care for me.
I have to say the fool, have to pray the fool. A woman
like a star has pictures in her hand as the moon shines over all the
creatures, the sea and land. But the sun is rising and a Egel
trumpets judgment time. The world is out if we can only clie just the
fool who's bringing at the edges, got my bag? I got my dog
out stepping up of legends as the House of cards burns down us see us
custo you carefrey, don't care for me. I have to play the fool,
have to play the fool. Oh very nice, Thank you, very
nice. If you're just joining us, Jam Tomorrow is here with us live
in studio on Matt Connerton Unleashed Dan. If you have any questions or anything
for the band, uh six three two five six zero seven, the studio
line is open six zero three two five zero six zero seven. Just make
sure you get in between songs because they are going to play some more stuff
for us and really looking forward to that Mike from Queen City Cabinetry says very
good. Yes, thanks brother, appreciate that. And yeah, these guys
will these guys are gonna be here with us for the rest of the hour.
And of course you can also interact end Opine in the Facebook live chat
and you can text me at six one seven nine one seven four four seven
and six. But the best thing to do, of course, give us
a call at six zero three two five zero six zero seven. Where does
the name come from? By the way, jam tomorrow. So as you
know from us, haven't been so. Matt and I were in a band
together thirteen fourteen, fifteen years ago. We were in a band called Chemical
Distance, which you can still find some stuff if you dig not too deep
under the other I think I think twelve years ago more like right, I
think the first album drop maybe ten eleven. Yeah, somewhere in that time.
The COVID caused a lot of time to start. Yeah, So I'm
a nerd, and I'm a book nerd, and I'm a big Lewis Carroll
fan. And Lewis Carroll actually had a phrase in Through the Looking Glass that
was said by the Red Queen where they're at a tea party, analysis gonna
have some jam, and the Queen says jam tomorrow, jam yesterday, but
never jam today. And it's sort of a play on the Latin for to
be I am okay because I is JA. If you remember from Indiana Jones
when You're stepping on the stones and we were having trouble Mark and I kind
of lining up our rehearsal dates. At the beginning, it was always like,
okn we jam today, No, maybe we can jam tomorrow, and
so then it sort of became jam tomorrow. So it's sort of multifaceted,
but at its root, it's sort of that. Yeah, it's always a
play on Lewis Carroll and we've got we've got a bunch of references to that
in our music, for sure, gotcha, gotcha? By the way I've
played Red Queen's Race by chemical distance goes way back. Yeah, yeah,
I tell I tell everybody that's our hit. Yeah, it would have been
that. So when when did this project? So it started out with you
and Mark, right, the two of you, and yeah, I mean
Mark and I had done actually a project with Auto if you remember the engineer
that we did our first album. We did a Christmas album, and okay,
they were looking for a Christmas song, hokey Christmas song, so Otto
and Mark and I actually did Christmas for Cowboys from John Denver Christmas album that
he actually covered from somebody I'd never heard of once again, probably like twelve
ish years ago, and then just reconnected realizing how close we lived, and
started playing and then just through sort of mutual acquaintances, Gary kind of got
sucked into the mix, and it's like there was no looking back from that
point. Yeah, I'm really fortunate to have these amazing dudes to play with.
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Now, So Gary, how
long have you been in the band? Pretty much? What a year and
a half? Probably a year and a half, two years? Yeah,
Okay, I think we played our first gig together about two years ago.
We had played together at a mutual friend's house and so we had had some
experience playing together, but I didn't officially probably join until about a year and
a half two years ago, sometime in that range. Gotcha, gotcha?
Do you guys play out a lot? Are you playing a lot of shows
or yeah? We did four gigs in July. I think we're kind of
shooting for like two a month because we all have somewhat demanding jobs, pretty
demanding jobs, you know, we're all doing fifty hours a week somewhere forty
five hours a week somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah, so we don't want
to take it too heavy, but we're really fortunate that Manchester is such a
great music town. Though we don't have to travel too small. Can I
mention a couple of venues where we play? Is that acceptable? So?
Like, we've played at Strange Brew all the time, we're playing there are
the twenty fourth. Mitch is super kind to us and gives us a lot
of really great slots. We play at Granite Tapas all the time. And
Hooks It we play, we play it hop not it's been a little while,
but but Kenny's brought us on to play four or five times, so
we really like. Mark and I both live less than a mile from here.
We don't care if Gary us to dry frankly, so right, it's
just a bass player, so we keep it easier. We often just like
shoot for gigs like somewhere between Conquered and Manchester, so that at least one
of us doesn't have to travel so far, Right, right, which is
a nice place to be. It's nice to be in such a you know,
I remember a decade ago when we were trying to find places to play.
No one wanted to hire you to play Originals. If you were going
to like a party band that could play all covers that people knew, you
can get a good gig playing on a deck somewhere. But of course,
like we play a third Originals and all of our venues are on board with
that. They're okay, we play and most of our covers are obscure.
We throw in like a third cover is that you're going to know the words
two when I've heard But a lot of our covers you might as well be
Originals because they're like deep cuts and no one right. Yeah, Now when
you play out is it is it this configuration or do you ever pull out
electric guitars or it's always yeah, I mean most of the time we'll have
an electric and acoustic with us, and you know we'll have well have some
different configuration. I usually have something h string and Mark usually has something cool
sounding. Yeah. I was suffering from ten to nineties issues for a while,
so playing this for three hours was killing me. So I tried to
incorporate electric, but I couldn't find a pedal or a sound that made the
electric quite sound acoustic enough. So I found a hybrid guitar that is the
best of both worlds. So yeah, you know I can do that,
but I needed this today because I knew we weren't plugged in right right?
Yeah? Yeah, excellent. You guys want to play another song? Yeah?
So this next one is This one's called motor Lodge. I've been writing
for thirty years in various capacities, like really since college at least ninety two,
but longer than that. This is one of my favorite things that I've
ever written, and I feel like I didn't actually write it. I feel
like I really held the pen and I kind of channeled it, and I
don't know where it came from. I can sort of see this person and
that sounds hokey, and I know there's people probably shaking their head as I
heard this. I might shake my head too, But I really I felt
more like a conduit than a creator in this piece. Uh So this is
called motor Lodge, okay, And I will say, from a musicians point,
we're very naked today because this is a song that I have a very
ethereal reverb caf cavernous sound because to create an effect. So we're very dry
today. So yeah, it's gonna be way better life. So it comes
to us. Yeah, twenty four strange rue from a live all right,
ladies and gentlemen, jam tomorrow found these wooden instruments. Sometimes I think you
don't even hear me. Sometimes something got joan't lunch and hear me. Yeah,
something sids. I think I'm listening untimes, but dance. Sometimes I
don't miss you so much. Sometimes I find out which boil or smile dance
sometime because I stand out of the rain where heating while ahead, Sometimes I
wonder where you went to dance? Sometimes side question my te it jumps the
question every single time, never answers, never really dante. It jumps the
question, what do you ask if you the more do you believe you going
through? Go ahead through? Oft times I don't remember the moment that past.
Ofttimes I can't distinguish the verse from the line of betize. I feel
I've walked through these footsteps before, and oft times I see my handprints on
the hudor oft the side I find I reach for your head, but then
aven size and disappears again. Ofttimes I want to do what happened? Read?
Ofttimes good? What mait? Me? It jumps questern every single time,
never into never anything he bol it jump question. What do you ask
of you? To be? A thinking? It is thinking In Most times
I fear I've lost myself in the past. Most times I fear I've let
the wrong moment laugh. Most time me isn't me in the mealad on,
And most times I can't predict my fault. Most times I don't know what
went in browning. Most times I can't believe singing this song. Most times
I don't know how to spend that. Most time side, what good?
What round? Left? Rounded? It comes to question, every single time,
never answered, never anything debust live, It comes to question, what
did you ask of you? What you to be on? Gonna Dude,
Gonna d gonna wow, fantastic hot, Thank you, yeah, thank very
much. If you're just joining us, we have the members of Jam Tomorrow
here in studio with us. We have Mike and Mark and Gary and Jenny
is here at the newscask and we're really enjoying this. If you have any
questions or anything at all or feedback for the band six ZO three two five
oh six Z seven is a studio line. Six ZO three two five zero
six zero seven. Do you, Mike, you write all the lyrics?
I do. Yeah, it's uh, we are a pretty clear division of
labor. Usually Mark and I kind of bounced stuff back and forth. I
have a very very solitary writing process. I'm kind of selfish. I've always
found, even when I was doing Chemical distance, every project I've had,
I usually like let the creative people that make the music make the music,
and then I take the music away to my lair and I put lyrics to
it, and then we come back and we share it. We bounced it
back. I think it's kind of like how Rush writes. You know,
we're like one part does one thing, and then it's division of labor and
they sort of separate it out. Yeah. Now that we've got two musicians,
it's even easier because literally we always rehearse at my house because I feed
us and we have space, so it's it's pretty easy for these guys to
you just say like, all right, we can have with your house.
Good and so I'll literally be like I'm gonna go get some more beers from
the kitchen, and I'll just put my phone on the table where these guys
are hanging out and just hit record on the record app and freaking magic just
happens. And I come back and I'm like, oh, all right,
well there's our next song. Yeah, And then we literally just taken I
see okay. I feel like this is the opener and this is the verse
and this is the chorus, and we can sequence it like this and what
do you guys think about that? And then we kind of bounce it back
and forth and then I write the lyrics, we come back Mark find some
harmonies for it, and then it just sort of all comes together. So
it's very collaborative, but at the same time, it's it's sort of iterative,
I guess. And Gary's been great about like taking songs over and prior
to him and being why don't we do this for an intro? Yeah,
how do you feel about this middle break? Putting in bridges? And you
know, because listen to most of our music, not a lot of bridges
on a versus a lot of courses, not a lot of bridges. Carry
is the facilitator of those those things helping us break being formula because I'm kind
of a singer songwriter verse chorus, verse chorus, bridge, verse chorus and
a guy. Sure, And I think Mark and I gent we're writing in
four four, writing within a sort of you know, a bpm range that's
sort of somewhat predictable, and Gary absolutely helps us sort of break those seventies
eighties blues rockers. So yeah, yeah, I do think for melaic too
much, but yeah, natural, So it's it's natural. I mean,
you know, there is an established sort of format that we all fall into
with it. It's but that's you know, it's there for a reason.
That's what just sounds pleasing to us as humans, you know, and it's
comfortable too. And I think for us it's like we don't want to fight
with the mechanism. We really just want to get to the place where we
want to be and do our thing and sometimes just falling into four four at
one hundred and five bpm, you know, in a in a chord progression
that we're sort of comfortable with, it's like, okay, well we can
tell the story here, like we already know the terrain. It's it gives
us that much more ease of action. Yeah. Yeah, like the first
twelve or fifteen songs, we're like music I've just had tucked away since seventies
and eighties. And then he's like, send me some ideas. So I
kept pulling out these things that were just a long time yeah, and he
just kind of loomed the flowers, so to speak. Oh wow, Yeah
that's cool. Yeah, yeah, never throw away an idea, right,
because I can't write lyrics with the life of me really, and I'm not
the guy to put out a melody. So I I think we all we
all sort of know our place and we're all really happy. Yeah. I
hate to say staying in our lane, because it's not about like, hey,
don't do my thing, more about like, you're really good at this,
you do that right? Well, if it works, it works.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah he has want to play another song? I want?
Yeah, I'm dying to hear another one. Yeah, we got a
bunch more so. This next one is actually the first song that we wrote.
This is definitely a COVID song. It starts with the choruses that are
starting with a verse, just because we felt like being unconventional. This one's
called Falling into Place. This was definitely inspired by going to see Sean Mullins
outside of Tupelo Music Hall when Yes, when COVID first started and they moved
his show from inside of the concert to the outside of the culture. We're
huge fans and if I can if a quick thirty second story, we actually
went to see him up two hours north in Bethlehem, like a month ago.
Mark and his wife drove home after the show. We were trying to
get an autograph. Couldn't get any with theater to get us an autograph.
My wife and I stayed at a local BMB wick up in the morning because
the sun just streaming into our room, so like seven o'clock in the morning,
we're showered. PA's pretty out the door, which is really unconventional for
us, especially after a late show, and it's a tiny little BMB with
seven rooms, and I walk out into the hallway and there's this guy walking
around with a paper cup of coffee, looking a little lost, and it's
Sean Mullin, no kidding, and he's like I would say, after Paul
Simon, and that's a tall order. He's my number two most inspirational favorite,
wow in my heart songwriter, and he's right there. Oh my god,
what are the odds? And I looked at him and I said,
dude, you were amazing last night. He's got this beautiful baritone. He
just goes, oh, thanks, you were there, and I'm like,
yeah, that's why I'm here. He goes, oh, do you know
where breakfast is? And I said, yeah, it's in that room right
there. If you just sit down, they said, a waitress will come
over. I said, Sean, would you like some company? He goes,
yeah, that'd be really nice. And my wife and I sat down
with Sean Mullins and I breakfast with him for an hour, and I didn't
ask him like creative questions or music questions. We talked about life on the
road because I've been on the road for sales twenty years. So I didn't
fanboy on him until the very end. And then I got pictures and got
like autographs from Mark and I. We're huge Sean Mullin fans, and I
feel like this song was very much his zeitgeist. Was still sort of like
pushing us to write our first song when we when we came out with us,
Oh that's so cool. So this one's called Falling in Place, all
right? M and I feel like things are falling in sleep and I feel
like it's the end of the Red Queen's Rains, and I feel like the
star are gonna change because I feel like this was all just rearranged as we
moved from hugs and hand shame. We must remember how our souls as we
moved from confidence to confident, We must remember how our souls pay rang.
And A feel like things are falling into places, and I feel like it's
me after the Red Queen's Rage, and I feel like the star for gotta
shame because I I feel like rearrange and people take too much pride in the
way they picked their sigh ha ha ha, split up into them and us
a sign seating on the bar on the books. But I feel like things
are falling into play and I feel like it's the end of the Red Queen's
range. And I feel like a star like the stars you gotta shape,
because I feel like this was all rearrange. As our lives get more separated
here, well we wish they weren't so. As things get more complicated,
well we wish we could just know, just know. And A feel like
things are falling against place and die be like it's the end of the Red
Queen's Rain, and A feel like star We're gonna change because I feel like
this was all job prearing, and I feel like heart falling its place and
die feel like it's the end of the Red Queen Dreking, and I feel
like the stars, like the stars are gonna change because I feel like this
was all job preary. I said, I feel like this was all job
pre Oh that's my favorite so far. Yeah, that's my favorite. I
love that. Thank you. I hope that's one of the ones you're recording
eventually. We hope they all make it like these are definitely next thing.
H Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we got two more that we slated.
If we have time for a third, we can break it. But everything
that we're gonna hear today, yeah, every of your inter to day will
definitely make it to the to the engineering booth in the next hopefully six months
or so. Yeah. Good good, our guys local. He's a professional.
He's actually touring with Bad Fish right now, running their sound live.
He's got a home set up. He's what's the name Barnwood studio, boards,
boards, house production. Yeah totally wrong. Yeah, he oh,
okay, very good, very good. By the way, Garyet occurred to
me, I don't think I've ever seen an eight string guitar in this room
before. I think you're the first one to bring one in. I'm glad,
I'm glad to break the seal. Yeah, yeah, you should see
this electric has actually got frets. What do you call those frets that are
just like so none of them are straight. They literally each fret shifts at
each string and it's like an asymmetrical lightning bolt. It's crazy, but it's
got this beautiful true tone. Wow, this is the Bartelex h string nylon.
So it's a yeah, and it's band fred It's it's it's fun.
It was the first thing that got me into h strings. My old guitar
teacher, no kidding, yeah, sold it to me and it's a yeah,
it's awesome. It's it. Have you met other a lot of other
people who play an eighth string it's not really. I mean some like people
in the crazy metal world, they like to go eh string yeah, And
I mean I have a jazz background, so there's some like jazz guitarists who
like to do like walking bass lines. Yeah, so that's what why I
got it from my teacher. He has a host of eight and weird amount
of strings. So yeah, yeah, and you do you fingerpick everything?
Uh, it's a mixture. Like that song, I was doing a lot
of fingerpicking some of the other songs, and the next song, I think
I do a lot of pickings. So it's a it's a mixture of both.
But I've played nylons a lot of my life, so it's even though
this is the widest neck you've ever seen, and it's really not too bad.
It's like a meme. Smart do you always pick or do another fingerpicker?
I do mixture of both. I do have some of our originals that
are all fingerpicking, Okay, I mostly uh facilitate the rhythmic portion of what
we do. Yeah, it was gary freedom to fill in all the holes
with the taste. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely so mostly Yeah. Okay,
all right, yeah you guys want to play another? Yeah? Maple
five? What is that? Cable five? Oh? All right? So
this is uh mark another reason these are amazing humans. I cannot stress enough.
This is the project that I've been waiting on my whole life, and
I'm glad I've done every project I've done but this is the one that I've
really been waiting for. These guys also invite me to shows to see people
that broaden my musical horizons. Opened my mind up, and Mark said,
hey, let's go see Chris til we saw him in ports Smith. Nobody
was there. It was really sad. It was like a quarter of the
theater was full. This guy was amazing and he made me start thinking about
Leonard Cohen again, who I really hadn't thought about seriously since like ninety five
six seven when I was in college. And it made me start thinking about
Leonard Cohen. So somehow that into sort of a Bluegrassy song. So this
is Beautiful Loser, which is our tribute to Leonard Cohen. Chris plays in
Nickel Creek Blue Crass. Oh okay, I was gonna say, I know,
I know the name being Helen of Mandolin. Yeah, videos, super
obscure, but an amazing player, great stage press. It's great performer,
all by himself. One instrument, two Mike's one for the instrument, one
for him, no effects, just like on stage, just making it was
the last time you saw a guy with a mandolin. Just capture realm Miller
where in Portsmouth was that old the old theater that they just redid with the
nice marquee at the top, kind of off the main street. Yeah,
sort of gilded era. Kind of reminds me a miniature version of the Orpheum.
I can picture it. Yeah, it looked like it was late eighteen
hundreds. I can't remember the name, but it was. It was read
one and beautiful. Yeah, great show. Yeah, very cool, very
cool. This is a mix of Leonard Cohen and blue grass. Yes,
it's called Beautiful Loser. All right, jam tomorrow. There studio a big
hole in the fabric of space and time. Like I had a dollar and
I needed a time. I been to both of the missus fahy, from
the Minnesota Highlights to the New Orleans Social She grips me. And I don't
know what happened to me between me and light and living free, keep walking
to hers where I think I might be. God is a lie, that
magic is afoot. Somethings just won't stay where they're buts reinvention tainted by previous
intention won't save us from those things. We just can't mention. And I
don't know what happened to me between me in Linemen, living break, she
walking to horse where I think I might be, think I might be,
to the bread, and I don't know I happen to me? Between me
in life, living free, keep walking thoughts where I be I might be.
Every time we pull back the curtain, me find another curtain. But
my mind is weary and my back is hurting. The only thing I've even
know for searching, it's behind every curtain, there's another curtain and another curtain,
And I don't know what happens to me. Dream feeling life and living
free, keep walking the horse where I think I might be, And I
don't know what happened to me, dween feeling life and living free, keep
walking through where I think I might be. I think I might be,
I think I might be. What happens to me? Tween me a life,
live every keep walking though where I think I might feeling. I think
I might feel, I think I might be nice. We just that's a
new ending for us. We just just worked on other li for her.
Yeah, the whole walk capella piece and then switching out. So that was
a that was thank you, That was that was our first time I think
we've ever done that live. Yeah, I was a surprise here and the
two of you singing together. Because you haven't done anybody, they'll expect it
all the time. Mark Harmon is on like twenty five percent of our songs,
but kind of developed a lot for our originals. Yet. Yeah,
No, that sounded really good though, thank you, really good. Absolutely,
and it's funny too. Gary. During that song, that was when
I really like watching you. That's when I really got it. As far
as he ate string, it was like, oh, I get it,
you know, because you're you're playing guitar and you're playing bass at the same
time. Effectively, it was like just switches modalities like yeah, yeah,
which you know, which you're done on the other side. But with that
song, it was like, oh I get it, Yeah, I really
get it. Yeah. It transfers even more on electric, you know,
because then hit a button and he's doing a soaring distortion solo. Yeah,
where you know, not so much on this, and then it sounds like
like a B three on the next Sweet. I like that. I'm a
sucker for Hammond Hamond cheese. You guys want to do uh you see?
Yeah? Yeah, one more right, we got as many more as you
want. We got one more that we we practiced for this, and we
could throw another one and if we got time, yeah, well we'll see
how the We'll see how the time is, but we can definitely get one
more in a right. So this next song, this is written about my
wife's cousin. She passed away about twenty years ago doing some piece work in
the Middle East. Oh wow, really, yeah, you can google her
name's Rachel Corey. There's probably more information than you want to know. Frankly,
it's a tragic tale all around. It took a long time for me
to write this. Her her journals were actually Alan Rickman from Snape actually took
her journals and wrote a one woman play called My Name Is Rachel I Believe
or Let Me stand Alone, and that toured briefly in New York and then
off Broadway. We went to see it a couple of times, once in
New York, once here in Boston. And a lot of the lyrics from
this and most of the chorus actually come from her journals, So I kind
of tried to stitch it together and make it cohesive narrative, but the majority
of the content from the song actually comes directly from her journals, right up
to the day before she died. Wow, heavy song, but it's a
story that needed to be told. It took me about fifteen years to have
the courage to put it down. And what's her name, Rachel Corey?
Okay, all right, yeah she was twenty three. Wow. We could
have done probably ten verses, but so it's yeah, it's still a seven
minute song. But yeah, so this one's called the Whole Wide World,
all right, jam tomorrow. A child of the huge It sound a doven
toun, raised by wearing parents, aware of the world. They hid me.
Dad went to be hid. Now you can't come back. See,
I grew up with his sense of calm and the burning plain. Let me
stand alone at the act of the earth and look at it. Honestly.
Maybe my world swirls around me, but one thing is stationed. Every If
the world tizz away from my left meaninglessly, let them hang in the air
for a while and look at the Mornestly, my name is Rachel. Trying
to bridge the distance between the moon and the star. I flew across the
world to rougher, and it seemed so far. Sometimes you work for the
world, sometimes for yourself. Sometimes you can't see what is hiding on the
highest shell. Let me stand alone at the sill beer and look get it
honest see. Maybe my work swells around me, but one thing is stationed
everything. If the words die use buzz away from my left meaning English,
he lad back, hack in the air for a white and look at them
holiest feed. My name is Rachel houses horlish time the orages on in all
machine gun fire, sunset mortar blasts at ton. Who are they? Why
are they here? They asked mehind now wi die. We came from America
to stop these attacks. Let me stand alone at the air jumpy here and
look at it on his feet. Baby. My well swells around me,
but one thing is stationed everything. The one tie used buzz away from my
left meaning skee. Let them hang in the air for awe and look at
the monis. My name is Rachel greeting people hot, baby, beloved,
show the love, thinking back when I was a child parading as we have
to protect the war. We need war alive, Bill need tous This moment
I never found so alive. Let me stand alone at the love and look
at it. Honestly. Maybe my wealth around me, but one thing is
stationed everything though who was. I used buzz away from my land meaning with
the land back, pain in the air, photo, wine and look at
them partiest. My name is Rachel. My name is Rachel. My name
is Rachel. My name is Rachel. Wow. That's an intense song.
That's great. Thank you, that is amazing. That is amazing. I
wish we had time for one more, but we're actually almost out of show.
But that was awesome. But guys, thank you so much. And
before we do run out of time, please tell us what we should know
about, where to find you online, keep up with what you're doing,
social media, upcoming shows, anything you want to make sure are so.
We don't have a website. We're still working on that, still working on
the album, still kind of trying to take this little more seriously than just
some kids in the sandbox pretending to be a rock and roll band to put
Shell Silverstein. We've got a show coming up on the twenty fourth at Strange
Brew. Facebook's always the best way to follow us. We do have a
page Jim Tomorrow Dash at the Band, so you don't confuse it with,
like, you know, Jim Tomorrow, the Lunchbox, Tomorrow, the Sleeping
Bag Jim tomorrow the Flamethrower. The kids love that one, so you can
track us there. We always make sure we put out postings several weeks ahead
of shows. We're also doing Friends, I think that's that's next month,
the twenty Yeah, and we're doing Rob Azevedo's doing a thing down in arms
Park Saturday the twenty six, I think, and we're gonna play it around
six thirties, just Gary and I. Mark's got something most on, So
we're gonna do a couple of cuts that we've been working on together sort of
independently. Well, a couple of covers probably, So that's where you can
find us, but we appreciate it, and hopefully you can find us here
again because we'd love to come back. Oh. Absolutely absolutely. Have you
been on Rob's show? Yeah, we're working on it. Yeah. Yeah,
My other project was on there and it was it was cool. It's
a cool so Gary's and Fox and the Flamingos as well. A really cool
five piece funk project, super high energy, really great covers, some cool
originals, very talented folks. You should check them out too. Yeah,
yeah, absolutely too. Yes, absolutely, take up a little more space,
not a problem, not a problem. Well, guys, this has
been wonderful. Thank you so much, and thank you Jen, thank you
so much. We really appreciate it, absolutely absolutely, and it's great to
see you. And while you're sounding great, thank you. I felt like
that was a great chemical distance, was a great place to sort of learn.
Had a tour and had a book and had a guerrilla market, but
I didn't have a lot of room to play as far as what I was
gonna do. And this, this project gives me just so much more leeway
to kind of yeah, claim my hokey old stuff. No, it's it's
it's very good, very good. Appreciate you guys coming in and uh,
Jenny, did you want to plug your your website or oh yes, you
can always check me out at gen Coffee dot com. J E N N
C O F f EI dot com. See what kind of trouble I am
rolling up the fight for healthcare for all? Yes, yes, absolutely all
right, And if you miss any part of today's show it we'll be up
in just a little bit at w m H radio dot org and on my
website Matt Connerton dot com. And gentlemen, thank you again, jam Tomorrow,
thank you just incredible and uh, we won't have time to play the
whole thing, but well we'll leave you with a little more of the new
single from these guys killing time, and uh, that's gonna do it for
us. For now, I'll talk to'all a little bit by everybody.
There is a song I want to tell from way back deep like a well,
there is a song I need to sing. It seems it's somehow god
away. I'm just killing time until time kills me. A point for the
ferry Maid, a ring for m