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Hello, everybody, Welcome, Happy
Monday. Here we go. It is

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Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live
from the studios of w m n H

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ninety five point three FM in glorious
downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also on

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Comcast ninety seven if you're in Manchester, and hello to all of our online

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listeners across and around the globe.
You can go to my website Matt Connerton

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dot com for all your live streaming
options, social media links, contact and

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folk show archives, etcetera, etcetera. And I think I just did it

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again without thinking of it, I
said Comcast ninety seven. I'm living in

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the past. No, last week
we got the word. We are now

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on channel six on Comcast if you
are in the Manchester area on the cable

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channel six, not ninety seven.
So which is very exciting, very very

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cool. And uh but I kind
of went on autopilot there. So I

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am a creature of habit as our
most humans. But yes, and today

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is a Monday, August fourteen,
twenty twenty three, and I am not

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alone. Best Jenny is here at
the news desk. I am present,

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yes, yes, so we have
an aiding show for you. Hopefully uh

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there he might have another uh scheduling
snapfoo, But hopefully we're going to be

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joined by journalists Bob Henneley at four
fifteen from New York City. Bob is

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not only an accomplished journalist in U
in UH many areas, but he also

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is a radio host. He's a
fellow broadcaster on w BAI in New York

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City. Jo, what's that feel
like? Jock company? Was it?

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Was that what you're supposed to call
each other, jock's radio jock. That's

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a kind of an out outdated term, is it. Yeah, Well,

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because jock is short for disc jockey, and that's that's definitely an outdated term.

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True. You don't spin anything right, right. We don't have a

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turntable here, although we do have
a CD player. He used to have

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a turntable there, used to be
one in the corner there. Yeah,

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we do have a CD player,
and that's magical in this world. Yes,

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yes, we do have a CD
player here, So, Bob Henalley,

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hopefully we'll be joining us. If
not, we've got plenty of other

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things we can talk about. Certainly, Yeah, it's been pretty dull and

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coming up at the top of the
hour, We're going to have a world

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radio premiere the single Killing Time from
the duo called Jam Tomorrow. We're going

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to have the world radio premiere of
that track, and then they're going to

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be here with us live in studio
to perform. So really looking forward to

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that. And one of the members
of Jam Tomorrow, Michael helped Lee Pierce.

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I used to be in a band
with him, which I've played on

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the show before, Chemical Distance.
That goes back to like twenty ten,

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twenty eleven, so more than more
than ten years ago. But I mean

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I've seen him since then. But
and Mike from Queen City Cabinetry knows him

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pretty well apparently, as does Kenny
from The Hopnot so he's one of the

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regulars. Yeah, yeah, he's
part of the WM ANDH family. Who

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is Michael. He's been around forever? Well, yeah, of course,

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yeah, he hangs out with us. Think I was talking to you Friday

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night Switch People's wait, you mean
Mike from Queen City Cabinetry, not Michael

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Applee Pierce. Right now, I'm
confusing my Michael. Yeah, there's too

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many. It's probably the most common
male name in the United States anyway.

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Yeah, so that will be coming
up today in the second hour, and

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if you're wondering about our opening track
today, so hip hop artist Magoo has

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passed away at the age of fifty
from an apparent heart attack. So I

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decided to open with up Jumps the
Boogie the radio edit of course, which

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is Timberland and Magoo with Missy Elliott
and Aliyah on that track, and that

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came out in nineteen ninety eight.
And you know what is interesting though about

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playing a radio edit of a track
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that the way the songs are edited, at least with hip hop, you

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know, there's there's certain things like
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radio edit where I was like,
I probably would have done a little additional

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editing to that. But it's a
different time now, and you know,

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it's weird. You know, if
you think back to that time, there's

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there's words, there's words you when
there's words that you could say now that

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you couldn't say now. It's it's
interesting how everything's shifted and it does over

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time. So but that was the
radio edit of that. I wanted to

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play the radio edit of Clock Strikes
by Timberland and Magoo, just the two

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of them without any because that's my
That was my favorite song by them.

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But we couldn't find a radio edit
of that one, which actually really surprised

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me. How can there not be
a radio edit of that song? It

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had a lot more in it than
I was expecting. Yeah, you looked

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up the lyrics and ye, because
at time permitting, I could have made

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a radio edit, because I do
that sometimes. But there were a lot

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of bad words of the not just
bad words, but things that we don't

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necessarily like to air. Yeah,
so I couldn't play that. But so

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we went with that up Jumps dub
Boogie the radio edit. But I have

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a very specific memory of Well here, let's look at the TMC article quickly,

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and then I'll talk about my memory
of Magoo. TMZ reports Rapper Magoo

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dead at fifty. It says here
Rapper Magoo, Timbaland's former collaborator, has

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died. Recording artists Digital Black confirmed
Magoo's passing in an Instagram post, writing

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quote, man can't believe this,
riih Magoo, Damn Big Bro wasn't ready

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for this at all. Unquote.
Digital accompanied his message with a cover of

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Magoo, his real name was Melvin
Barcliff and Timberland's nineteen ninety seven album Welcome

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to Our World, and I think
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it. Magoo's cause of death was
not disclosed, nor were details about the

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circumstances surrounding it. Many of his
famous friends took to social media to share

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their condolences. So TMZ is saying, we don't know the cause of death,

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but I saw something else that's ad
a heart attack. But that might

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just be a conjecture because CMC usually
has it before anybody. So if TMC

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doesn't have the official cause of death
yet, to night not official. Yeah.

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Singer Genuine lamented quote, time was
short. I don't even know how

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to say anything at this point.
I've lost three friends now within a month

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to life and it's to date.
Genuine went on quote, this dude always

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pushed me. I will miss you
Magoo or Maganu. Maganu, that's what

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we called him. Yeah, actually, I think in that's in that track

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he refers to him as Maganu,
totally one of the best ever in my

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eyes, always pressing forward. What
does that mean? I know, well

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it's Magoo, but Maganu it's another
way of saying magoo. Apparently there's a

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there's another way of saying magoo,
which I'm gonna talk about in a moment,

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So let's see. Yeah, so
he was, yeah, fifty year

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years old. You know what I
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when I when I was alerted to
his passing, EASYG sent me an article

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and I'd just seen it on the
news too. When I was you know,

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at that time, late nineties,
I was working at Strawberries on loudon

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Rode and Conquered and of course we
sold CDs and DVDs and so forth.

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And this guy comes in one day
and he was looking for Timberland and Magoo,

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but for some reason he thought it
was Macanow. He comes in,

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he's like, do you have do
you have Timberland and Macanow? And we

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were like, uh me and Bobby
b this, So other guys working there

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were like, do you mean Timberland
and Magoo and he insisted, no,

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it's Macaw and he and he got
angry with us and stormed out without his

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CD. And I swear to God, and he was looking for he was

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looking for Timberland and Magoo. Now
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he must have heard heard it said
that way in a and and thought

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that that was the guy's name.
I didn't realize that part until now.

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I just thought it was some weird
guy. But yeah, he got I

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remember, he got angry. He's
like, it's Meganu. And he stormed

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out of the store in a huff. You see you out there, You're

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storming around. You're stuck in his
memory. Yeah, yeah, I bet

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he's listening right now and going,
yeah, wait, that was me.

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Yeah, Hey, I hope he
feels badly. He was very rude.

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We tried to help him. It's
yo. You mean Timberland and Magoo.

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No, it's Timberland and Meganu.
And he every time you say that,

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all I can think of was a
macadamia nut. And I don't know why.

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It just sounds like it's a nut. Well, that guy seemed like

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a nut. Oh that's true,
the guy who stormed out, not Maganu.

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He's dead now. So yeah,
so age fifty and by the way,

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speaking of age fifty and hip hop, I don't know if we haven't

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talked about this on the show yet. And I've got to remember because our

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friend Eric Pilter, of course,
is a big hip hop fan. We've

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had some great discussions on the air
about hip hop. This is the fifty

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year anniversary of hip hop and when
it started in New York. So in

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fact, I heard a great interview
with Chuck D from Public Enemy the other

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day about it and the origins of
hip hop in New York City. And

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so yeah, hip hop turns turns
fifty this month. So maybe I'll maybe

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I'll play some Public Enemy. Not
today because we have a musical guest coming

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up, but I did want to
play. I did want to play that.

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So rest in peace of Magoo or
Maganu or however one wants to refer

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to you as any any word from
our guest. No, but I am

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getting a word from the chat room
that people are having a hard time finding

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us. Yeah, Melanie says Bruce
strikes again. Yeah, because I see

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some people in the chat room,
but it looks like it's the viewer count

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is frozen. So we must be
having an issue with Facebook. So I'm

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going to, uh, I'm actually
going to end that. Facebook just shared

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it all out. Well, I'm
going to start a new one because well,

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because they're clearly was something wrong with
that one, and it's not letting

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me start a new one. Yeah, we're having a Facebook issue here.

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Oh, here we go. Okay, now it's uh now it's back on,

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but it hesitated though. I think
Facebook is being super glitchy, you

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know, but that happens. But
I always say, too, what do

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you want for free? You know
it's Facebook? So we're going to restart.

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We have restarted the Facebook feed,
so a new feed. Let me

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you'd like to join us today again. Our guest might be late. Our

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first guest, uh Bob Bob Heniley. We'll see that. I hate when

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that happens after I've shared it all
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But the best thing to do so
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j Fed and Melanie are both in
the new Facebook feed that we have started,

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so most of the old Facebook feed. Yes, yes, So onward,

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onward and upward we go. And
if you are just joining us,

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Bob Heney is our guests in the
first hour, but he might have a

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he might have a snaffoos, so
we'll see if he's able to join us.

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But we do have JAM tomorrow.
We will be our guests in the

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second hour on the program. Something
uh, something that's been brewing that I

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think is pretty interesting that we haven't
had a chance to get to on the

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show. Is this debate that might
be coming beach. A couple of governors,

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one of them is allegedly running for
president and the other one is not.

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But Governor Ron De Santis of Florida
versus Governor Gavin Newsome of California,

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and it looks like there might be
there might be a snapp who there political

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reporting Newsome versus De santist debate stalling
over Fox News audience. It says the

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California Democrat in Florida Republican agreed to
the debate but hit a stalemate over the

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network hosting a live studio audience.
So I hope this doesn't fall apart.

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There's a quick update here, and
then I just have a couple of observations.

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It says here Gavin Newsom and Ron
De Santis have reached an impass in

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their Fox News debate planned for November, a person with knowledge of the stalemate

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said yesterday, De Santis, the
Republican governor of Florida, is pushing for

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the face off to occur in front
of a live audience, which the democratic

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California governor prohibited in his proposal to
Fox News is Sean Hannity quote, this

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is about having a debate, not
a TV spectacle, unquote, the person

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familiar with the negotiations told Politico,
narrowing the scope of the disagreement between the

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two camps, Newsome and Aids previously
derided several aspects of the Desantists counter proposal,

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which included a studio audience divided evenly
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a cheering section, even in an
age of constant televised town halls, of

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the primetime event between the ambitious governor
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bid and the Republican candidate for president
would be unprecedented in modern politics. The

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question of whether to involve an audience
is a significant one that contend how TV

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viewers digest the Fox broadcast. CNN
took considerable heat for its recent town hall

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with former President Donald Trump. All
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all that, but that's where things
stand. There's a little bit of a

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stalemate. I'm going to kind of
skip down here, it says. Newsome

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said Friday in Sacramento that he had
no update on the planned event when asked

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by reporters. A DeSantis campaign spokesman
had no comment on Sunday. The debate

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over the debate as mostly played out
behind the scenes between each side and Fox.

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Newsome, who recently sat for an
eighty eight minute taped interview with Hannity

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in Sacramento, that the two men
agreed to over text messages, first proposed

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the debate with DeSantis last September.
It was Newsom who suggested the conservative commentator

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serve as moderator, both to make
it a more attractive offer to DeSantis and

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remove excuses he might offer about media
bias. For months, the two men

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have gone round after round, shadow
boxing before the public, but never confronting

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each other in person. Knewsom fact
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over revisions to school textbooks. After
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in Sacramento, k Newsom called the
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floated the possibility of charging him with
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include charging anyone responsible for the transport, including state contractors, to potentially put

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a chill on companies considering getting involved
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Newsom's handling of homelessness and quality of
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stricter approach to the pandemic. It
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forth between the two again, skipping
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months of skepticism and some mistrust mistrust
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orbit, they found a loyal soldier
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of dollars for their twenty twenty four
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well, that it's us a little
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not happen, and I've been skeptical
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it doesn't sound like use this message
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gonna make it. No, okay, that's okay another time. So what

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is interesting about this to me is
apparently so the White House has uh signed

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off on this, and that they
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De Santis debating. And I think
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standpoint of the well from the campaign, from Biden's campaign, both for and

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against this. So for Ron De
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lose proposition, in my view,
because it gets him more exposure. It's

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another opportunity to appeal to to prospective
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this is also a fantastic opportunity if
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to a national audience of Democrats.
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on a debate stage, I think
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about twenty twenty four. I'm thinking
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me is so apparently the Biden campaign
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don't know. See this could this
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It could be a wash. Now
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obviously is Newsome. If you saw
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sit down with Sean Hannity? Not
so Gavin Newsom And for those who aren't

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familiar with him, he's been around
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he was governor. He was the
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very uh, he came across really
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podcast, who does not like Gavin
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left California specifically because of Gavin Newsom's
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saw the sit down with Sean Hannity
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he said Newsome brought it. I
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Newsom brought it. He showed up. He was prepared. He's he's

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smart, he's articulate, he knows
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spin the issues and so forth.
So he's a very very talented politician and

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he really showed that. And he
wasn't and again Patrick Bett, David not

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a fan of Gavin Newsom, but
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you know, Newsom really held his
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was a lot of buzz around that. I haven't watched the whole thing.

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I've watched some of it. There's
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Newsom does come come off very very
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all the things. You know,
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So where Newsome might be helpful to
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we'll come back to that. So
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of his ability to articulate, you
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democratic policies, wants to talk about
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surrogate, which is obviously what he
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Biden and articulating accomplishments legislatively so forth, you know, whatever, whatever they

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discussed in the debate, Newsome will
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for Biden, though, and where
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effective at doing that. And the
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Biden is will Democrats see Gavin Newsom
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as they're observing how he's you know, he's sharp, he's articulate, knows

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the issues. Oh and did I
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than Joe Biden. Will Democrats see
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maybe we got to get the old
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an opportunity here. So I can
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be a wash. And there's also
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But but if nothing else, it's
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kind of show up for twenty twenty
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all, you know, you've got
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going to be the nominee. Trump
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all know it. If you think
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that nomination from Trump, you're delusional
even, you know, and you might

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be someone who very much wants for
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to happen. By the way,
I agree with you. John Hopwood says

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in the chat room, Newsom is
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John Newsom is running for president.
He's running for president and twenty twenty

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eight, he's not gonna He's not
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stick Biden. Okay, in my
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But DeSantis knows he's not going to
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know, I could say a lot
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I probably have at various points.
I'm sure that I have. But he's

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not stupid. He knows he's not
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four. This is a test run
Ron de Santis. Look, I mean

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the other Republicans in the field,
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there's many reasons to run for president
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You know, Mike Pence is trying
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not going to be the Nominee's trying
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He knows he's not going to be
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the vice presidential nominee. And I
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You know, Nicki Haley, she's
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in twenty twenty eight, same as
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running for president. He's not running
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running for president in twenty twenty eight. I firmly believe that he knows he's

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not going to be the nominee.
He knows that. I mean, look

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at Trump. Every thing that happens
to him that is legally detrimental, is

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fantatic. It's good business, you
know Trump. Some people say Trump is

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not very smart. I don't think
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he's an intellectual. But he is
smart in some ways. He understands marketing

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and branding. He understands his brand, and he understands his audience. He

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understands his customers, he understands who
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life if I've seen an example of
somebody who I mean, he's coming up

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on indictment number four and it only
makes him stronger. He says, they're

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not indicting me, they're indicting all
of us. Send me money, and

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they send him money. It's it's
actually he's doing Gangbusters business. So so

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DeSantis knows he's not going to be
the nominee, so he's running. This

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is a test run for twenty twenty
eight. And that's what the debate with

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Newsom will be if it happens.
And same with Gavin Newsom. Newsom's not

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gonna He's not gonna do something to
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unless you know, maybe he wants
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in case, just in case something
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one of the liabilities. I mean, Biden has two enormous liabilities. One

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of them is his son, clearly, which we've talked about a lot on

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the show recently. But the other
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again, not to be agist,
I hate to be agist, but

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I am practical and pragmatic about these
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younger than Mitch McConnell. If Joe
Biden has a Mitch McConnell moment. I

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mean, can you imagine if Joe
and what if that were to happen during

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a during a debate or a speech
or a meeting with a foreign dignitary.

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Oh yeah, it would be over. It would be over. Hi,

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welcome to Matt Connerton unleashed. Who's
this John C. Hawkwood to see us

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with chatterbox, specifically irresponsible chatterbox?
Oh uh, well call me irresponsible?

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What's up? What's up? What's
up me? And irresponsible shatter bug.

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Newsom is for Newsom? I remember
him from California. Oh, that's right,

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so he's Yeah, he's positioning himself
as an alternative to Biden should Biden

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obviously fail over the next year.
Because let's remember, you know, Biden,

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whatever we can say about him,
you can say some positive stuff and

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some negative stuff, just like anie
president in his first term. At this

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time is uh, you know,
he's two years old and he might not

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be around in a year. I
don't mean necessarily gone rip, John,

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are you are you hanging out with
some frogs? I hear frogs in the

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background. No, that's a motorcycle. That just drove by. Okay,

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I'm actually sitting outside enjoying the non
rainy weather. Oh, very good,

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very good. All right, just
making sure are you attacking my French Canadian

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heritage? Not at all. I
wouldn't dare. I don't know. I

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thought it was more like a boiling
water kind of a soundish boiling water having

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a baby. But just saying,
Newsome's for Newsom? You know, is

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he indeed going to debate the Santis? Well, they've hit a snag.

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They're supposed to debate on Fox,
but they've hit a little bit of a

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bit of a snag, so we
shall see what what is the snag?

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Does anybody know yes, that that
the Santis is uh is thinking is apical

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career? Is thinking like a stone? No, no, no, no.

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I think de Santis is all for
it. But there's there's an issue

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in terms of doing this in front
of a live studio audience on Fox,

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and uh why I think, uh
Newsom doesn't want to walk into a situation

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where you know, it's uh,
he's got a biased crowd against him.

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that is obviously true. But I think

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the biggest thing is he's probably getting
pressure in the Democratic Party because they just

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announced that Kamla Harris isn't be a
major part of the campaign and she can

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obviously cannot be happy that Newsom's running
around like you know, Joe Biden's self

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anointed successor. Right, Well,
that's there is that component to it.

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Yes, Kamala Harris, who obviously
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president? Oh really, yes,
Jenny, you hit you hit that one

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right on the mail. Have you
seen have you seen this individual as a

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I don't know. No. Actually, just recently she was in Florida was

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speaking out about their uh the little
change in the curriculum there that you have

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to us you have to also teach
about the positives of slavery, and there

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were positives to slavery. Did you
know this? I would never have even

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occurred to me, to be honest
with you, remember any of my history

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teachers. Well, we don't want, we don't want our beautiful white children

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to feel badly about anything, so
we have to we have to make sure

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that they understand the positives of slavery. But put on, there were positives

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in slavery, uh uh at people
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and that we come jazz and white
met people got the band Joe, which

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came out of a gourd like instrument
from West Africa, and unfortunately we got

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hill billy country music and we get
the worst of the deal. Yeah,

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to keep an open mind about East, I see it is fully. Every

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time you hear a country song and
it's driving you nuts, that is a

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legacy of slavery. Try that in
a small town. I have a conversation

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with you, but uh yeah,
later, okay, I'll leave you on

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that wonderful insight. All right,
John, we appreciate it, by bye.

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All right. That was our friend
John Hopwood. And uh uh the

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thoughts of John who not reflect the
show or the station or anything like that,

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but interesting really his own can take
rust nature interesting this time? Interesting

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insight there. Yeah, no,
he was chatterbox, chatterbox, Yes,

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Yes, the studio line is open
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ZHO three two five six seven.
If you would like to join us,

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we'll get caught up with the Facebook
live chat here. Let's see Melanie and

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Jay Fetter both in there, of
course from the great Vermont. Jenny,

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I see that you're in there.
I'm everywhere. Scott Robinson says in the

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chat, in honor of the fiftieth
anniversary of hip hop, I was once

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considered the lyrical Jesse James, my
goodness, Oh, I feel like that's

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from a song. Miriam Bannish joins
us in the chat and says, yeay,

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Sorry, I'm rejoicing because I'm in
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sorry. We're glad that you're in
the room very much. Eric Street joins

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us and says, nice seeing you
the other day. Yes, I ran

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into Eric at the Hanniford in Bedford, Erica. It was nice to see

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him. I'd only met him in
person once before, and Eric mentioned to

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me that he had once run into
Peter White at the Hanniford in Bedford as

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well. It's a great meetup spot. Yes, yes. Carol Zawarrowitz joins

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Hello, Carol, Melanie says, when

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did Republicans become such a bunch of
babies they are unable to have an actual

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debate. Well, actually, there's
a debate coming up in Milwaukee, I

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think in less than ten days,
but I don't believe the former president is

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going to be there. Mister Trump
he's but he has no reason to.

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So the if a whole bunch of
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be safe to assume that whole bunch
of who Republicans just if voters are the

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other candidates, you mean, if
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them, I would assume that would
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the banning of the Diary of Ann
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this great nation. Yes, I
believe. Well, isn't that one of

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00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:42,000
the campaign slogans, I believe make
America Florida or something. Yes, so

404
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,559
we have to change our curriculum.
H make America Florida. I guess we're

405
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:50,359
going to teach the good sides to
the Holocaust next. Well, since the

406
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,680
Diary of Anne Frank is now pornographic
material, that is just so mind boggling

407
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,599
to me. It's just like,
well, I think Greg Gutfeld would advocate

408
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,559
for that for that, but uh, yeah, so they are. They

409
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,680
are having The first Republican debate will
be coming. I always look forward to

410
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,359
that every four years. The Santis
and Kennedy have more in common than I'm

411
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:19,880
realizing. RFK Yeah, rfk Uh
said something I did appreciate, believe it

412
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,160
or not, and I believe it
was in Iowa. He apparently opposes the

413
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,960
war on drugs and wants to the
blind dog gets a bone once in a

414
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:32,799
while months to decriminalize things and put
money towards treatment of drug addiction rather than

415
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:38,240
treating drug addicts like criminals, because
if you're Jewish, you probably won't need

416
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:44,880
that under his line, because everything
will be created to not hurt your genetic

417
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,200
makeup. Yeah, we are talking
about the same man that has U on

418
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:57,400
the campaign trail, who's out there
saying that the COVID virus was manufactured to

419
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:05,640
not attack Jewish people full and Chinese
people, right, yes, everybody else.

420
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:13,320
Yeah that does sound insane. Yeah, this is what we're up against.

421
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,519
These are the people running for president
of the United States. Got anti

422
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:22,119
Semitic. I don't know where to
put them in the What do you say

423
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,400
about these people? And this is
being accepted as mainstream. This is not

424
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,840
This is not a conspiracy anymore.
This isn't people being weird or whatever.

425
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,639
These people are mainstream, like,
this is the real thing. You know,

426
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Slavery is good for black people and
Jews, didn't get hurt by COVID,

427
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,599
and this is the reality that we're
looking at for presidential candidates. I

428
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,000
am embarrassed to be an American when
I say that out loud. Well,

429
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,119
I'm a little more I'm a little
more optimistic. I think that because I

430
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:58,039
think that the general perception, So
talking about RFK for a moment, I

431
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:02,559
think the general perception is that he's
a lunatic, but obviously, but I

432
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:08,159
think he's also he's being used by
conservatives as kind of a useful idiot because

433
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:13,519
he says he buys into a lot
of sort of right wing conspiracy theorism,

434
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,519
like you know about like he's an
anti vaxer and things like that. So

435
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,440
that so, so I think there
are some people, particularly you know,

436
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:27,719
like Fox News, that they love
him the personalities on there. But I

437
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,440
think he's I think he's useful to
them. But I think I'm more optimistic

438
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,000
in that I think the vast majority
of Americans look at a guy like RFK

439
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:42,840
and the things that he says and
think he's just crazy. Have you learned

440
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,760
nothing, I'm sitting here looking at
you in shock. Have you learned nothing

441
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,119
from the last few years? Oh? People are people know that he's would

442
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:57,440
you call him a nut? Yeah? Yes, you people load. People

443
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,920
aren't going to follow a nut,
really, really, Maddie, No,

444
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,960
some people are. Some people are
following him. But I'm just saying,

445
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,639
but I just think that the majority
of people see him as a number,

446
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,639
and I don't see him that makes
you sleep better at night. I don't.

447
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,599
I don't see him transcending that.
I mean, he's certainly not going

448
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,159
to be the He's certainly not going
to be the nominee. I mean he's

449
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,079
trying to. He's trying to be
the nominee of the Democratic part us to

450
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:28,880
hang out with Hugo Chavez. Well, this is our reality. This is

451
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,400
mainstream news now, right, And
you don't think people are going to follow

452
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,760
the nut? Oh? Come on, not him, He's too nutty.

453
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:44,360
There's there's a limit. There's no
limit. I hope there is. If

454
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,760
there's not, we're really in trouble. I'm a little I'm a little more

455
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:53,840
optimistic. I stopped being optimistic a
little while ago. I really did.

456
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,199
The more evidence that comes out about
what Trump has done, and the more

457
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,800
people that are still not willing to
jump off that train, a little piece

458
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,960
of me goes even more every time
Melanie says in the chat room to Santasis

459
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,519
so anti LGBTQ. Plus, I
don't think he would allow anyone to get

460
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:19,280
behind him. Ah, you got
him, very well done there, you

461
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:23,039
actually you got Matt. Let me
see your cheeks. I bet they're pink.

462
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,960
No, let's see. I want
to know what's going to happen.

463
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:35,679
Well, No, I want all
of these trials to be televised, and

464
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,920
I want to see what the excuses
are to explain away some of this hard

465
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:45,840
core evidence, like video evidence,
Like I want to know how that's going

466
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,800
to get explained away. You know, it's perfectly normal for candidates to send

467
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,920
teams and to mess around with voting
equipment during an election. That's normal,

468
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:04,039
don't you know, Right it means
video. It's video. They've got text

469
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,639
messages, videos, nothing matters.
He could literally sit there and shoot somebody

470
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,280
like he said, and it's not
gonna matter. They're not gonna walk away

471
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,000
from it, right, They're gonna
stick by his side. And these are

472
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,960
the same people that are backing everything
that the Santis is doing in Florida.

473
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:24,519
It's spreading, it's getting worse.
That's why I don't have any optimism anymore.

474
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,239
This insanity has has just continued to
grow across our nation. It's infected

475
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:37,800
our schools in the most disgusting of
ways. Well, Oh, Mike Doyle

476
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,239
is on the line. Hi Mike, Hey, Matt and Jen, how

477
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960
goes the battle? Good? How
are you very good? Thanks? Very

478
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,599
good? Hey, I was just
turned you on and I just heard Jen

479
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:58,920
say something about that Florida curriculum.
And she's made the narrative that every left

480
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:06,599
wing newspaper has made that about the
slavery and the instruction. And I don't

481
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,960
know, it's just like the Don't
Say Gay bill, where there's not one

482
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,000
word that says the word gay in
the bill, but that's the narrative that

483
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,639
people picked up, and it's misleading. Excuse me, I'm not excuse me.

484
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,920
I am not misleading anyone, and
I am not repeating a narrative.

485
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,280
I am telling the exact fact.
You let answer this to me. You

486
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,960
so you're you're going to argue against
it. This is they're telling kids that

487
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:37,360
something good came out of slavery,
that people have people, yes they are,

488
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,320
yes they are, and they take
it really and they've taken the Diary

489
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:49,280
of Ann Frank out of Florida schools
for pornography. Yeah yeah, let me

490
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,920
read the Let me read the actual
quote so we can have facts, not

491
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:59,079
not innuendo. The instruction Slaves Got
It says, instructions includes how slaves develop

492
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:06,559
skills which in some instances could be
applied for their personal benefit, which is

493
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,519
exactly what I just said, exactly
what they're trying to what they're trying to

494
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:15,800
say. And this was written by
a black scholar of black literature, saying

495
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:22,960
that such people like cooks learned how
to cook, how to being they were

496
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,639
a slave as a cook, but
they learned how to cook. Some people

497
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,559
who were taught to learn skills such
as sewing. Certainly, do you remember

498
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,639
teaching Do you remember learning that?
Do you remember learning that in school?

499
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:38,360
Were you taught in school that slaves
learned to have great skills to use?

500
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,519
Were you taught that when you were
in school? Because I sure attack was

501
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:49,039
not my son, that just no, none of us were so because that's

502
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,000
exactly what you just said, what
you just read is that they are teaching

503
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:59,159
kids that they earned skills as slaves
to better their lives. That's literally what

504
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,199
you just said, And that's exactly
what I said, so I still,

505
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,559
first of all, you're using the
word you're using the word slaves meaning all

506
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,280
of them. And in this in
this line, it says, in some

507
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,239
instances, I thought, all slaves
care how pretty you make the front of

508
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,000
the sentence. It's still saying I'm
reading. I'm reading the sentence to you.

509
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,400
I think that if you want to, if you want to change it,

510
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,800
if you want to change it,
and then continue with your narratives,

511
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,039
you can do all. You can
do that all you want. You literally

512
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:31,280
just read to me that slaves learned
valuable skills, some slaves, some slaves.

513
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,960
I never said that. So you
can keep saying that all you want.

514
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,920
But all right, let me let
me read it to you. Let

515
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,480
me read it to you one more
time, and then you guys can chew

516
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:45,440
on a little bit of do whatever
you want. Instruction includes how slaves develop.

517
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:54,840
This is instruction includes how slaves develop
skills which in some instances could be

518
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,719
applied to their personal benefit. You
don't think that's a disgusting sent You find

519
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,559
that acceptable? You truly find I
don't. I find it. I find

520
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,920
it a fact that it's people who
are people who are slaves. But we're

521
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:14,480
learning how to cook, learning how
to sew, learning how to raise crops,

522
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:19,159
learning how to take care of horses, learning how to do welding for

523
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,159
carriages. In some instances, they
could apply that to it as a personal

524
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:30,599
benefit. Slavery is wrong, don't
don't conflate the two. Slavery is definitely

525
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,119
wrong when nobody likes it. It
shouldn't have happened. It's part of our

526
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:38,440
history. But all they're saying in
this is that is that in some instances,

527
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:44,840
that's what it says, verbatim,
some of these skills they learn could

528
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,840
be used for their personal benefit.
So here's that's all it says. So

529
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,960
here, okay, So here's here's
the the issue, Mike, as I

530
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,800
see it. But I understand what
you're saying. But here's here's the problem.

531
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,559
In a broader sense, is that
there has been a movement in this

532
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:05,639
country, you know, and social
media helps to propagate this stuff. There

533
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:09,039
has been a movement in this country
in some circles to try to kind of

534
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,480
whitewash and downplay slavery. I'll give
you an example. I've seen people on

535
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,599
certain and I know you don't like
you're not a big internet guy, You're

536
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:23,039
not a social media guy. You
probably haven't listened to these different podcasts that

537
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,119
are out there and whatnot. But
I'll just give you an example. There's

538
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:32,880
there's these sort of white nationalist internet
media personalities who will whenever the subject of

539
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,639
slavery comes up, they'll say,
well, what about what about Irish people?

540
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,079
Irish people were enslaved, they were
treated poorly, And they do this

541
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:49,480
thing where they'll give other examples of
slavery, of people being enslaved, not

542
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,159
just people from Africa, and they'll
and they'll use that as a narrative to

543
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:59,639
try to downplay slavery and make it
seem like it wasn't that bad. So

544
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,079
concern is from my perspective, this
is how I see it, and this

545
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:07,320
is why I think people are so
sensitive to this is this looks like when

546
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:14,840
educators in Florida are now being told
they have to include something about the benefits

547
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,920
of slavery or however you want to
however you want to frame that verbiage.

548
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,840
It seems like then maybe that's not
the intention. Maybe it is, but

549
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,440
it comes across as oh, okay. This is part of the larger effort

550
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,679
that some people are making to whitewash
slavery and to downplay it. And that's

551
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,760
why, at least I think that's
why people are so sensitive to this,

552
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:42,039
and that's the problem. And so
I disagree with it. I don't think

553
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,079
it should be in there. And
I don't care how you read the sentence.

554
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:49,480
It's disgusting, Well again a disgusting
statement. Well, what I'm bothered

555
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,480
by this is how it contributes to
the larger narrative that some people out there

556
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,559
are pushing to try to downplay slavery. That is problematic to me. I

557
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,119
mean, even my dad, who
I don't think he'll mind me say in

558
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,159
this on the show, and my
dad's very conservative, but even texted me

559
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,559
and he said, you know,
he disagrees with what they're doing in Florida

560
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:12,599
with this, and he thinks it's
wrong. So, you know, because

561
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,599
again there's a there's a there's a
respond here. Let me respond to your

562
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:23,360
two things. One is the the
Irish thing is is a what about ism,

563
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,719
which you hate and I and I
agree is wrong. Yeah, you

564
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,199
know, that's just wrong. That's
for somebody to make that argument is just

565
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:37,920
stupid. And and and the other
thing is, well, I forgot my

566
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,360
second point I had something you were
going to say a thing, and I

567
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,360
was making a point. But I'm
just trying to make I don't know.

568
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,639
I'm just trying to make the point
that the sentence doesn't say all slavery.

569
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,920
With Mike, it doesn't matter if
it says all or one. If it

570
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,280
says any, it's disgusting and wrong. And that's the part that you're not

571
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:04,360
getting. It's discussing on when I
said, you don't think that the people

572
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,800
who are coming came over on boats
and then we're put into kitchens, put

573
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:14,039
into put into stable all under all
unto slavery, all wrong. Oh my

574
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:21,480
god, you really need you need
to hear looking of stables of crop?

575
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:24,719
You just racist comment. I think
i've ever heard you make. No no,

576
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,039
no, are you kidding me?
No, I am not kidding me,

577
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,360
not at all. Nothing. This
has nothing to do with nothing that

578
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,119
you can do to sugarcoat slavery.
Oh you learned how to cook. I

579
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:38,000
know it was good. I don't
think that's I don't think that's Mike's intention,

580
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,840
But I think he's I think what
I'm doing at all at all,

581
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,679
But he's that's ridiculous. But he's
talking about the verbiage. I understand what

582
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,360
you're saying, Mike, but I
also think again, we have to keep

583
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,159
in mind what the larger narrative is
here. And by the way, it's

584
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,320
it's easy for you know, white
guys like you and me from New Hampshire

585
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,320
to just say, oh, well, they're just saying, you know,

586
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,920
some slaves list and that. But
I mean, how do you think blackam

587
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,119
Americans feel when they hear this stuff? No, probably it probably you know,

588
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,679
in hindsight, you look at it
and you probably say it was probably

589
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,760
stupid to put in there, right
then, So that's what we're saying.

590
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,239
Well, so it was do we
agree them? So it sounds like we

591
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,239
have some agreement there that it probably
shouldn't have been in there because it's causing

592
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,400
this much fluff. Well, you
know what I mean, it's just causing.

593
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,079
But the problem I have. The
problem I have is we're changing the

594
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,760
narrative to say all slaves. I'm
not changing. How can they say it's

595
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,360
the benefit too. Do not agree
that some slaves that had no skills at

596
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:38,559
all and you are an evil person? No? Oh my god. People

597
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:45,280
were stolen from their communities, people
were were shackled and stolen from their homes

598
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,880
where they cooked and they hunted,
and they took care of their families.

599
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,480
And they were smart, and they
were intelligent human beings that were forced onto

600
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:54,679
a ship, brought over here,
shoved into people's homes, and made to

601
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,719
work till death. But if they
got a skill out of it, that's

602
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,599
okay. Oh my god. No, these people were smart, intelligent people

603
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:07,320
who had lives and were stolen.
They weren't. You make it sound like

604
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,599
they were complete, not smart individuals
who who only got their teachings from the

605
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,840
This is the scutt I don't think
that's Mike's intention, but I but not

606
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,360
at all. It's not my intention, nor did I do that. So

607
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,320
I don't know what she's talking about. Chicken rantalls, who wants I don't

608
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:30,800
care. But well, I'm very
passionate against my disgust and disdain for anything

609
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,519
that tries to make slavery fluffy.
Yeah, I'm not trying to do that.

610
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:37,960
I'm not trying to do that either. I'm trying to make sense of

611
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,239
the sentence itself. No, I
think what the the black scholar who what

612
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,519
the black scholar who wrote it was
trying to make people understand that there may

613
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:57,480
have been an iota of personal something
that these slaves got out of learning how

614
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,360
to cook, learning how to be
stablemates, learning how to run crops learning.

615
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,480
That's all he was trying to the
point he was trying to make and

616
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:10,760
it just got blown up into you
know, Florida hate black. But but

617
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,320
Mike, when you when you say
it just got blown up into, then

618
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,960
you're you're really kind of being dismissive
in terms of the reaction to it.

619
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,840
And again I would just say,
well, you know, I mean,

620
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,800
we're we're we're white. We're we're
white guys from New Hampshire. So we

621
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,000
can sit around and say, oh, look at this just got blown up

622
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:31,199
into a whole big fluff when in
reality, I mean, if you're a

623
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,440
black American and you're hearing about this, you know that's gonna be like whoa,

624
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:40,400
Now they're making slavery sound like a
jobs program, and who can blame

625
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,599
anyone for feeling that way? So
but I think didn't we We did agree

626
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,000
though that it shouldn't have been in
there, right, they shouldn't have put

627
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:50,159
that in there. Yeah, we
have some agree we shouldn't have been in

628
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,280
there. Okay, you know,
the guy wrote it. I don't know

629
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,079
why I put it in there if
it's going to cause this much, you

630
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,440
know what I mean, If that's
just but that was his thought, I

631
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,679
guess I don't know. Yeah,
but I was just trying to calm down

632
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:07,480
the temperament of of you know,
I don't know, it's just taking it

633
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:12,400
to a new angle. I guess
it's not a new angle. They're they're

634
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,559
saying that slavery had good parts.
That's what I said, That's what from

635
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:22,119
in the in the in the statement, it says in some instant, I

636
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:28,360
don't care if you say in some
in one or in twenty thousand, in

637
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:34,039
anything is unacceptable and disgusting. There's
uh. I just feel I feel there's

638
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:38,920
a larger purpose, uh to for
the for legislature, for legislators in Florida

639
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,400
to be okay with that. And
by the way, De Santis has tried

640
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,880
to run away from this. He
wants he won't even take ownership of it,

641
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,719
even though it's Chris Chrissy pointed out, he's the one who lit the

642
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:54,119
fire with the anti woke or whatever
that bill is that he signed. But

643
00:50:54,119 --> 00:51:00,280
but I really have a feeling,
Mike, that there's a larger purpose for

644
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,880
these legislators in Florida to be so
on board with this, and it's and

645
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,960
it worries me, and it worries
me, and hate is something that is

646
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:15,199
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, but do you see no do you

647
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,360
see no truth in that some slaves
they're slaves, don't don't don't change that

648
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,559
they're slaves, and it's wrong.
Sure, but some slate, some skate

649
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:29,159
slaves learned skills. I'm not gonna
sign off. I'm not going to sign

650
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,360
off on that statement. Absolutely not, you know, I mean, I

651
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,239
think, I think you know,
from what I know of history, I

652
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,400
know that some slaves were given specific
jobs because of skills that they already had

653
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,239
when they were captured and forced into
slavery. But I'm not I'm not gonna

654
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,920
buy in any narrative that makes it
sound like a jobs program. And you

655
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,199
know, because there's a larger plan
with that, Mike, and I want

656
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,840
nothing to do with that larger plan. Yeah, I don't. I don't

657
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,480
either. That's right. When she's
calling she's calling me racist, it's just

658
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:09,119
ridiculous. Well, Mike, you're
defending, you are defending something born from

659
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,199
racism that sentence you keep reading.
That sentence that you keep reading is one

660
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:23,760
hundred percent racist, one hundred percent
Well, like I said, I'm more,

661
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,360
I'm more worried about the larger narrative
that it propagates. Yeah, and

662
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,280
I understand what you're saying, Man, I do, I do, all

663
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:36,159
right, But to call up and
have a discussion about the actual verbiage and

664
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,360
then for her to call me a
racist is just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous.

665
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,079
Nice try, bucko. I'm sure
everybody's going to keep reading that people

666
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,480
from there. You just keep reading
that racist statement to people, keep doing

667
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,639
well. I'm not, I'm not. You were you were talking about you

668
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:54,400
were talking about it, and I
brought and so I called about the discussion.

669
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:58,920
And the language that you keep reading
and think is just beautiful and fine

670
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:07,280
and fluffy is disgusting and racist.
And if you're gonna was beautiful and comment

671
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,159
in your what does that make your
buddy? What does it make you look

672
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:14,960
in the mirror? You're defending a
racist comment. You keep reading it over

673
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,000
and over again like it's somehow going
to be less racist. It's racist and

674
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:24,599
it's offensive and it doesn't belong in
a school system. It doesn't belong anywhere

675
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:28,440
in the United States. I think
I think I think we actually, I

676
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,320
think we agree that it doesn't belong
in the school system. I think we

677
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,000
did land on it to keep reading
the sentence and say claiming it's not a

678
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:39,360
racist statement. It is. It's
very racist. I didn't. I can't

679
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,119
imagine what it's like for a black
mother to have to send their child to

680
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,920
school thinking that's what the kid's gonna
get taught. No, I think we,

681
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,599
I think we, I think we
agree on that that it's problematic.

682
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,519
It's what's that. It's definitely it's
definitely problematic. It shouldn't have been in

683
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,079
there. Good, I'm glad.
I just don't think. I don't think

684
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:04,039
the black scholar who wrote it intentions
were to say that, you know what

685
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,159
I mean. I just I don't
think that was his intention. That's all.

686
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,039
I'm okay, No, fair enough, I'll let you I'll let you

687
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:13,920
go. I can only be called
racist so many times when I'm not,

688
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:15,519
so I'll let you go. Keep
all right, all right, Mike,

689
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,880
thanks for the call, Bye bye. Just keep saying the racist sentence and

690
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,440
see if it sounds less racist if
you say at twenty more times. All

691
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:27,440
right, we got to get to
a break. I see musicians in the

692
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:32,480
hallway. So what we're gonna do
is we've got they've got a brand new

693
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:37,239
song, and we're going to play
that this studio track, and then they're

694
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,960
going to come in and perform live
on the air. So we've got jam

695
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:44,800
tomorrow and one of these guys I
used to be in a bandwidth, as

696
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,119
I mentioned earlier, So let's give
this a listen. This is called killing

697
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,559
time, brand new from Jack.
Whoops, something else's plan. Hang on,

698
00:54:52,920 --> 00:55:00,239
let me fix that little I don't
know where that audio is coming I'm

699
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,440
coming from. That's not good.
You have something playing from somewhere. All

700
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,480
right, here we go. I
think I got it. I think I

701
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:49,880
got it. It's Monday. Here
we go. There is a song I

702
00:55:50,039 --> 00:56:00,360
want to tell from the way back
deep black A Well, there there is

703
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:13,440
a song I need to sing.
It seems it's somehow God away. I'm

704
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:21,840
just killing time until time kills me. A coined for the pyramid, a

705
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:30,360
ring for the sea, give light, darkness, give life unto you claim

706
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:52,960
until time kills me. I'm killing
time to day. There is a story

707
00:56:54,440 --> 00:57:07,000
from the Distant Pass before the first
became the last. There is a story

708
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:19,199
I need to share, came from
no place and it's going Noway. I'm

709
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:25,719
just killing the time until time kills
me. A coin for the ferrymen,

710
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:35,679
a ring for the sea, give
light to darkness, give life unto you

711
00:57:35,840 --> 00:58:24,559
clay until time kills me. I'm
killing time to day. There is a

712
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:37,320
message that must be conveyed from whatever
place you have me. There was a

713
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:45,320
message I needed to pass on.
But it's gone. It's gone, It's

714
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:52,800
gone, gone, gone gone.
No, I'm just killing time until time

715
00:58:53,119 --> 00:59:04,639
kills me. A coin for the
ferrymen for the sea, give light to

716
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:14,960
darkness, give life unto clay until
time kills me up killing time today,

717
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:24,440
I'm just killing time till time kills
me. A coin for the fairy man,

718
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:32,880
A ring for the sea, Give
light to darkness, give life unto

719
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:49,400
clay till time kills me. Killing
time today, I'm killing time today.

720
00:59:52,679 --> 01:00:15,519
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742
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everybody. We are into our number
two numerow doose of Matt Connerton Unleashed and

743
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,880
we are live from the studios of
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744
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,199
and Glorious Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also on Comcast Channel six if you're

745
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:20,719
in Manchester, and hello to all
of our online listeners across nation and around

746
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:22,719
the globe. You can go to
my website Matt Connerton dot com for all

747
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:27,639
of your live streaming options, social
media links, contact info, Shaw archives,

748
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,199
etcetera, etcetera. Today is Monday, August fourteen, twenty twenty three.

749
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:36,079
Jenny is here at the news desk, present and accounted for, and

750
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:39,840
we've got a great band here with
you. So I'm going to introduce,

751
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:44,880
Uh, Michael Helpley Pierce. How
are you, sir? You said my

752
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,280
name right, You've already worned my
heart, my friend. Well, you

753
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,760
and I were in a band together, so you know, I kind of

754
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,599
I probably should get your name right. I appreciate that. I'm really happy

755
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,159
to be here. This is a
long overdo It's been too long since we've

756
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:58,440
had fun together. Yeah, it's
great to see you man, great to

757
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,360
see you, and I love I
love the song there, thank you that

758
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:04,719
killing time and your new project jam
tomorrow. And what I would like you

759
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,960
to do, sir, if you
wouldn't mind, is I'll let you introduce

760
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,239
these other two gentlemen who I'm meeting
for the first time today. I'd be

761
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,760
happy to do so. So joining
me on my far left is the amazing

762
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,519
Mark Vadney on six string acoustic and
occasionally electric. He's he and I started

763
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:24,679
the band kind of as a COVID
project, really just try to not go

764
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,239
crazy and sit six feet apart and
still make some music with people and deal

765
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,880
with the madness that was happening three
or four years ago. Uh, and

766
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,639
not too long thereafter we start playing
gigs, and we very shortly thereafter drafted

767
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:41,559
Gary Smith, who's sitting in the
middle. Gary Handle's bass and eight string,

768
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,719
sometimes twelve string. Marks sometimes is
on twelve string as well. I'm

769
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,960
only ever on the G string.
It's about all I'm going to play in

770
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,000
it. Always, always at a
tune, always at its G string.

771
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,840
I feel like I've heard that joke
before. I'm sure, sure, I'm

772
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,800
sure I'll use the first time today. Ye. So we started playing together,

773
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,760
I don't know, probably two years
ago, doing mostly what I would

774
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,559
call hokey singer songwriter covers, started
expending that a little bit more. We're

775
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:11,599
working on originals and we're now at
a point where we have I think twenty

776
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:14,679
five originals. Wow, ready to
go. We just recorded the first one,

777
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,039
which you guys were kind enough to
debut for us, Yes, the

778
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:19,920
World radio premier. Yeah. Yeah, great stuff, and we've got more

779
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,400
to record behind that. We've got
a really cool engineer that we're working with,

780
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,880
and we're we're really happy to make
some more of that happen. Outstanding

781
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,519
by the way. Mike from Queen
City Cabinetry Mike Pelopidas in the Facebook lave

782
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,800
chat and says, good to see
Michael. Yeah, good to see you.

783
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,639
In my friend he was an old
customer, old friend of mine.

784
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:39,519
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's mentioned
you. And of course Queen City Cabinetry,

785
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:43,880
one of our great sponsors here at
WMNH. Well, listen, you

786
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,400
guys want to you want to play, play something for us, and I'll

787
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,280
ride the faders a little bit.
We're not we can't really no way to

788
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:55,920
do an off air or sound check
so to speak. But I'll do my

789
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,440
best with the mixing. But yeah, what do you you want to play?

790
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,679
Uh? Yeah, So We've got
a bunch of aginals lined up for

791
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:03,119
you. We tried to kind of
pick a smattering both stylistically and subject matter.

792
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:09,239
I'm a little overly intellectual in my
lyrics self, admittedly, and these

793
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,000
guys are amazing musicians. This is
a song about the triumphs of the Taro

794
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,840
Deck. So this is sort of
a psychedelic visual journey through the twenty one

795
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:21,119
triumphs in the place of the fool
taking the journey itself and how that's kind

796
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:55,760
of all of us. So this
one's called twenty two all right, traveling

797
01:06:56,039 --> 01:07:04,880
through the world, pass popes and
potent as princesses and love look my way

798
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:12,440
and waiting. But the one with
the way to the world is in my

799
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:26,320
chariot, and that Mugenin might become
yet just the fool who's springing after the

800
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:32,480
edges, Got my bag, I
got my dog, got stepping of legend.

801
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:42,519
As the carter tells, I see
I always bring the rules, carefree,

802
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,159
don't care for me. I have
to play the fool. I have

803
01:07:46,440 --> 01:08:01,480
to play the fool. I need
to have the strength to hold the lion

804
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:12,280
tights and stand alone in darkness,
holding out the light as the wheel of

805
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:19,439
fortune spends his justice on my side, as they hang me upside down,

806
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:29,600
my hands behind me, tired.
Just the food springing at the edges,

807
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:38,159
Got my bag, I got my
dog. I'm stepping off of legend as

808
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:45,239
the deck fan down. I see
how fate is cruel, care free,

809
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,920
don't care for me. I have
to play the fool. After baby fool,

810
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:10,279
and I smelt death unmistakable, A
man upon the warm to one glass

811
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:15,920
empty, one blast fool as the
devil binds me in chains, as I

812
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:24,920
can see the towers fall, but
I avoid the lighting somehow, was getting

813
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:33,600
it all? Just the book who's
springing at the edges, got my bag,

814
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:41,560
I got my dog. I'm stepping
off of legend as the card rained

815
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:48,039
down. I'm drowning in the pool. Care every don't care for me.

816
01:09:48,840 --> 01:10:02,680
I have to say the fool,
have to pray the fool. A woman

817
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:12,399
like a star has pictures in her
hand as the moon shines over all the

818
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:19,000
creatures, the sea and land.
But the sun is rising and a Egel

819
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:30,359
trumpets judgment time. The world is
out if we can only clie just the

820
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:38,199
fool who's bringing at the edges,
got my bag? I got my dog

821
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:45,199
out stepping up of legends as the
House of cards burns down us see us

822
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:55,079
custo you carefrey, don't care for
me. I have to play the fool,

823
01:10:55,319 --> 01:11:24,159
have to play the fool. Oh
very nice, Thank you, very

824
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:27,880
nice. If you're just joining us, Jam Tomorrow is here with us live

825
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,359
in studio on Matt Connerton Unleashed Dan. If you have any questions or anything

826
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,760
for the band, uh six three
two five six zero seven, the studio

827
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:39,159
line is open six zero three two
five zero six zero seven. Just make

828
01:11:39,159 --> 01:11:41,560
sure you get in between songs because
they are going to play some more stuff

829
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,399
for us and really looking forward to
that Mike from Queen City Cabinetry says very

830
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,880
good. Yes, thanks brother,
appreciate that. And yeah, these guys

831
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,399
will these guys are gonna be here
with us for the rest of the hour.

832
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,680
And of course you can also interact
end Opine in the Facebook live chat

833
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,960
and you can text me at six
one seven nine one seven four four seven

834
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:01,279
and six. But the best thing
to do, of course, give us

835
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,319
a call at six zero three two
five zero six zero seven. Where does

836
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:09,159
the name come from? By the
way, jam tomorrow. So as you

837
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:11,199
know from us, haven't been so. Matt and I were in a band

838
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:14,520
together thirteen fourteen, fifteen years ago. We were in a band called Chemical

839
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,680
Distance, which you can still find
some stuff if you dig not too deep

840
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,640
under the other I think I think
twelve years ago more like right, I

841
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:26,600
think the first album drop maybe ten
eleven. Yeah, somewhere in that time.

842
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:32,439
The COVID caused a lot of time
to start. Yeah, So I'm

843
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,560
a nerd, and I'm a book
nerd, and I'm a big Lewis Carroll

844
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,640
fan. And Lewis Carroll actually had
a phrase in Through the Looking Glass that

845
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,319
was said by the Red Queen where
they're at a tea party, analysis gonna

846
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:45,640
have some jam, and the Queen
says jam tomorrow, jam yesterday, but

847
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,640
never jam today. And it's sort
of a play on the Latin for to

848
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:54,640
be I am okay because I is
JA. If you remember from Indiana Jones

849
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,279
when You're stepping on the stones and
we were having trouble Mark and I kind

850
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:00,880
of lining up our rehearsal dates.
At the beginning, it was always like,

851
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,079
okn we jam today, No,
maybe we can jam tomorrow, and

852
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:05,560
so then it sort of became jam
tomorrow. So it's sort of multifaceted,

853
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,600
but at its root, it's sort
of that. Yeah, it's always a

854
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,479
play on Lewis Carroll and we've got
we've got a bunch of references to that

855
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,239
in our music, for sure,
gotcha, gotcha? By the way I've

856
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,199
played Red Queen's Race by chemical distance
goes way back. Yeah, yeah,

857
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:23,960
I tell I tell everybody that's our
hit. Yeah, it would have been

858
01:13:24,039 --> 01:13:28,119
that. So when when did this
project? So it started out with you

859
01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:30,279
and Mark, right, the two
of you, and yeah, I mean

860
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,119
Mark and I had done actually a
project with Auto if you remember the engineer

861
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,920
that we did our first album.
We did a Christmas album, and okay,

862
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:40,560
they were looking for a Christmas song, hokey Christmas song, so Otto

863
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,920
and Mark and I actually did Christmas
for Cowboys from John Denver Christmas album that

864
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,319
he actually covered from somebody I'd never
heard of once again, probably like twelve

865
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,920
ish years ago, and then just
reconnected realizing how close we lived, and

866
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:57,199
started playing and then just through sort
of mutual acquaintances, Gary kind of got

867
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:00,600
sucked into the mix, and it's
like there was no looking back from that

868
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,720
point. Yeah, I'm really fortunate
to have these amazing dudes to play with.

869
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,279
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Now, So Gary, how

870
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:10,760
long have you been in the band? Pretty much? What a year and

871
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,039
a half? Probably a year and
a half, two years? Yeah,

872
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:15,640
Okay, I think we played our
first gig together about two years ago.

873
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,640
We had played together at a mutual
friend's house and so we had had some

874
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:24,640
experience playing together, but I didn't
officially probably join until about a year and

875
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,479
a half two years ago, sometime
in that range. Gotcha, gotcha?

876
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:30,319
Do you guys play out a lot? Are you playing a lot of shows

877
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,560
or yeah? We did four gigs
in July. I think we're kind of

878
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,359
shooting for like two a month because
we all have somewhat demanding jobs, pretty

879
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:40,399
demanding jobs, you know, we're
all doing fifty hours a week somewhere forty

880
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:42,720
five hours a week somewhere in that
neighborhood. Yeah, so we don't want

881
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,439
to take it too heavy, but
we're really fortunate that Manchester is such a

882
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:46,800
great music town. Though we don't
have to travel too small. Can I

883
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,439
mention a couple of venues where we
play? Is that acceptable? So?

884
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,560
Like, we've played at Strange Brew
all the time, we're playing there are

885
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,520
the twenty fourth. Mitch is super
kind to us and gives us a lot

886
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,479
of really great slots. We play
at Granite Tapas all the time. And

887
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,079
Hooks It we play, we play
it hop not it's been a little while,

888
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:03,239
but but Kenny's brought us on to
play four or five times, so

889
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,800
we really like. Mark and I
both live less than a mile from here.

890
01:15:08,279 --> 01:15:10,800
We don't care if Gary us to
dry frankly, so right, it's

891
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,199
just a bass player, so we
keep it easier. We often just like

892
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,239
shoot for gigs like somewhere between Conquered
and Manchester, so that at least one

893
01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:19,720
of us doesn't have to travel so
far, Right, right, which is

894
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,640
a nice place to be. It's
nice to be in such a you know,

895
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,600
I remember a decade ago when we
were trying to find places to play.

896
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,359
No one wanted to hire you to
play Originals. If you were going

897
01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:30,079
to like a party band that could
play all covers that people knew, you

898
01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:32,600
can get a good gig playing on
a deck somewhere. But of course,

899
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,800
like we play a third Originals and
all of our venues are on board with

900
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,159
that. They're okay, we play
and most of our covers are obscure.

901
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:41,640
We throw in like a third cover
is that you're going to know the words

902
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,359
two when I've heard But a lot
of our covers you might as well be

903
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,479
Originals because they're like deep cuts and
no one right. Yeah, Now when

904
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,920
you play out is it is it
this configuration or do you ever pull out

905
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,000
electric guitars or it's always yeah,
I mean most of the time we'll have

906
01:15:56,119 --> 01:16:00,359
an electric and acoustic with us,
and you know we'll have well have some

907
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,760
different configuration. I usually have something
h string and Mark usually has something cool

908
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:09,600
sounding. Yeah. I was suffering
from ten to nineties issues for a while,

909
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,880
so playing this for three hours was
killing me. So I tried to

910
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,560
incorporate electric, but I couldn't find
a pedal or a sound that made the

911
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,840
electric quite sound acoustic enough. So
I found a hybrid guitar that is the

912
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:24,079
best of both worlds. So yeah, you know I can do that,

913
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:26,760
but I needed this today because I
knew we weren't plugged in right right?

914
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,039
Yeah? Yeah, excellent. You
guys want to play another song? Yeah?

915
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,279
So this next one is This one's
called motor Lodge. I've been writing

916
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:39,760
for thirty years in various capacities,
like really since college at least ninety two,

917
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,600
but longer than that. This is
one of my favorite things that I've

918
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,399
ever written, and I feel like
I didn't actually write it. I feel

919
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:46,359
like I really held the pen and
I kind of channeled it, and I

920
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:49,199
don't know where it came from.
I can sort of see this person and

921
01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:51,960
that sounds hokey, and I know
there's people probably shaking their head as I

922
01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:56,279
heard this. I might shake my
head too, But I really I felt

923
01:16:56,319 --> 01:17:00,760
more like a conduit than a creator
in this piece. Uh So this is

924
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,880
called motor Lodge, okay, And
I will say, from a musicians point,

925
01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:05,920
we're very naked today because this is
a song that I have a very

926
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:11,560
ethereal reverb caf cavernous sound because to
create an effect. So we're very dry

927
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,600
today. So yeah, it's gonna
be way better life. So it comes

928
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,359
to us. Yeah, twenty four
strange rue from a live all right,

929
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:49,640
ladies and gentlemen, jam tomorrow found
these wooden instruments. Sometimes I think you

930
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:58,279
don't even hear me. Sometimes something
got joan't lunch and hear me. Yeah,

931
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:05,199
something sids. I think I'm listening
untimes, but dance. Sometimes I

932
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:14,600
don't miss you so much. Sometimes
I find out which boil or smile dance

933
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:21,319
sometime because I stand out of the
rain where heating while ahead, Sometimes I

934
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:31,159
wonder where you went to dance?
Sometimes side question my te it jumps the

935
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:42,560
question every single time, never answers, never really dante. It jumps the

936
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:48,840
question, what do you ask if
you the more do you believe you going

937
01:18:49,079 --> 01:19:06,680
through? Go ahead through? Oft
times I don't remember the moment that past.

938
01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:15,000
Ofttimes I can't distinguish the verse from
the line of betize. I feel

939
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:20,880
I've walked through these footsteps before,
and oft times I see my handprints on

940
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:28,079
the hudor oft the side I find
I reach for your head, but then

941
01:19:28,279 --> 01:19:38,920
aven size and disappears again. Ofttimes
I want to do what happened? Read?

942
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:47,439
Ofttimes good? What mait? Me? It jumps questern every single time,

943
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:57,600
never into never anything he bol it
jump question. What do you ask

944
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:26,840
of you? To be? A
thinking? It is thinking In Most times

945
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:32,279
I fear I've lost myself in the
past. Most times I fear I've let

946
01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:41,000
the wrong moment laugh. Most time
me isn't me in the mealad on,

947
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:48,119
And most times I can't predict my
fault. Most times I don't know what

948
01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:58,359
went in browning. Most times I
can't believe singing this song. Most times

949
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:03,399
I don't know how to spend that. Most time side, what good?

950
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:11,880
What round? Left? Rounded?
It comes to question, every single time,

951
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:19,079
never answered, never anything debust live, It comes to question, what

952
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:27,039
did you ask of you? What
you to be on? Gonna Dude,

953
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:58,800
Gonna d gonna wow, fantastic hot, Thank you, yeah, thank very

954
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,960
much. If you're just joining us, we have the members of Jam Tomorrow

955
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:05,199
here in studio with us. We
have Mike and Mark and Gary and Jenny

956
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:10,680
is here at the newscask and we're
really enjoying this. If you have any

957
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,640
questions or anything at all or feedback
for the band six ZO three two five

958
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,920
oh six Z seven is a studio
line. Six ZO three two five zero

959
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,479
six zero seven. Do you,
Mike, you write all the lyrics?

960
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:23,039
I do. Yeah, it's uh, we are a pretty clear division of

961
01:22:23,119 --> 01:22:26,600
labor. Usually Mark and I kind
of bounced stuff back and forth. I

962
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,960
have a very very solitary writing process. I'm kind of selfish. I've always

963
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,680
found, even when I was doing
Chemical distance, every project I've had,

964
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,600
I usually like let the creative people
that make the music make the music,

965
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,520
and then I take the music away
to my lair and I put lyrics to

966
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,640
it, and then we come back
and we share it. We bounced it

967
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,239
back. I think it's kind of
like how Rush writes. You know,

968
01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,520
we're like one part does one thing, and then it's division of labor and

969
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,840
they sort of separate it out.
Yeah. Now that we've got two musicians,

970
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,880
it's even easier because literally we always
rehearse at my house because I feed

971
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,199
us and we have space, so
it's it's pretty easy for these guys to

972
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:56,439
you just say like, all right, we can have with your house.

973
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,399
Good and so I'll literally be like
I'm gonna go get some more beers from

974
01:22:59,399 --> 01:23:00,680
the kitchen, and I'll just put
my phone on the table where these guys

975
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,840
are hanging out and just hit record
on the record app and freaking magic just

976
01:23:05,039 --> 01:23:08,239
happens. And I come back and
I'm like, oh, all right,

977
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:10,960
well there's our next song. Yeah, And then we literally just taken I

978
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,119
see okay. I feel like this
is the opener and this is the verse

979
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,199
and this is the chorus, and
we can sequence it like this and what

980
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:17,079
do you guys think about that?
And then we kind of bounce it back

981
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,720
and forth and then I write the
lyrics, we come back Mark find some

982
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:23,079
harmonies for it, and then it
just sort of all comes together. So

983
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:26,520
it's very collaborative, but at the
same time, it's it's sort of iterative,

984
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,840
I guess. And Gary's been great
about like taking songs over and prior

985
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,479
to him and being why don't we
do this for an intro? Yeah,

986
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,039
how do you feel about this middle
break? Putting in bridges? And you

987
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:38,960
know, because listen to most of
our music, not a lot of bridges

988
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:41,960
on a versus a lot of courses, not a lot of bridges. Carry

989
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,680
is the facilitator of those those things
helping us break being formula because I'm kind

990
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,520
of a singer songwriter verse chorus,
verse chorus, bridge, verse chorus and

991
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,920
a guy. Sure, And I
think Mark and I gent we're writing in

992
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:55,439
four four, writing within a sort
of you know, a bpm range that's

993
01:23:55,439 --> 01:24:00,640
sort of somewhat predictable, and Gary
absolutely helps us sort of break those seventies

994
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,920
eighties blues rockers. So yeah,
yeah, I do think for melaic too

995
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,279
much, but yeah, natural,
So it's it's natural. I mean,

996
01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:12,359
you know, there is an established
sort of format that we all fall into

997
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,880
with it. It's but that's you
know, it's there for a reason.

998
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,119
That's what just sounds pleasing to us
as humans, you know, and it's

999
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:19,279
comfortable too. And I think for
us it's like we don't want to fight

1000
01:24:19,359 --> 01:24:21,760
with the mechanism. We really just
want to get to the place where we

1001
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,079
want to be and do our thing
and sometimes just falling into four four at

1002
01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:29,239
one hundred and five bpm, you
know, in a in a chord progression

1003
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:30,000
that we're sort of comfortable with,
it's like, okay, well we can

1004
01:24:30,079 --> 01:24:33,479
tell the story here, like we
already know the terrain. It's it gives

1005
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,359
us that much more ease of action. Yeah. Yeah, like the first

1006
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:42,439
twelve or fifteen songs, we're like
music I've just had tucked away since seventies

1007
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,880
and eighties. And then he's like, send me some ideas. So I

1008
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,039
kept pulling out these things that were
just a long time yeah, and he

1009
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:50,159
just kind of loomed the flowers,
so to speak. Oh wow, Yeah

1010
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:53,840
that's cool. Yeah, yeah,
never throw away an idea, right,

1011
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:58,079
because I can't write lyrics with the
life of me really, and I'm not

1012
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,560
the guy to put out a melody. So I I think we all we

1013
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,560
all sort of know our place and
we're all really happy. Yeah. I

1014
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,960
hate to say staying in our lane, because it's not about like, hey,

1015
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:08,600
don't do my thing, more about
like, you're really good at this,

1016
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,960
you do that right? Well,
if it works, it works.

1017
01:25:12,119 --> 01:25:14,680
Yeah. Yeah, yeah he has
want to play another song? I want?

1018
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:15,800
Yeah, I'm dying to hear another
one. Yeah, we got a

1019
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,079
bunch more so. This next one
is actually the first song that we wrote.

1020
01:25:18,079 --> 01:25:23,319
This is definitely a COVID song.
It starts with the choruses that are

1021
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,720
starting with a verse, just because
we felt like being unconventional. This one's

1022
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:31,039
called Falling into Place. This was
definitely inspired by going to see Sean Mullins

1023
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:38,119
outside of Tupelo Music Hall when Yes, when COVID first started and they moved

1024
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:41,359
his show from inside of the concert
to the outside of the culture. We're

1025
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,520
huge fans and if I can if
a quick thirty second story, we actually

1026
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,079
went to see him up two hours
north in Bethlehem, like a month ago.

1027
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,760
Mark and his wife drove home after
the show. We were trying to

1028
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,239
get an autograph. Couldn't get any
with theater to get us an autograph.

1029
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,479
My wife and I stayed at a
local BMB wick up in the morning because

1030
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,159
the sun just streaming into our room, so like seven o'clock in the morning,

1031
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,560
we're showered. PA's pretty out the
door, which is really unconventional for

1032
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,720
us, especially after a late show, and it's a tiny little BMB with

1033
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,399
seven rooms, and I walk out
into the hallway and there's this guy walking

1034
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,159
around with a paper cup of coffee, looking a little lost, and it's

1035
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:14,439
Sean Mullin, no kidding, and
he's like I would say, after Paul

1036
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,720
Simon, and that's a tall order. He's my number two most inspirational favorite,

1037
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,640
wow in my heart songwriter, and
he's right there. Oh my god,

1038
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,359
what are the odds? And I
looked at him and I said,

1039
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,840
dude, you were amazing last night. He's got this beautiful baritone. He

1040
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,479
just goes, oh, thanks,
you were there, and I'm like,

1041
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,039
yeah, that's why I'm here.
He goes, oh, do you know

1042
01:26:30,079 --> 01:26:31,319
where breakfast is? And I said, yeah, it's in that room right

1043
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:33,279
there. If you just sit down, they said, a waitress will come

1044
01:26:33,279 --> 01:26:36,479
over. I said, Sean,
would you like some company? He goes,

1045
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,159
yeah, that'd be really nice.
And my wife and I sat down

1046
01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:42,479
with Sean Mullins and I breakfast with
him for an hour, and I didn't

1047
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,920
ask him like creative questions or music
questions. We talked about life on the

1048
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,039
road because I've been on the road
for sales twenty years. So I didn't

1049
01:26:48,079 --> 01:26:50,399
fanboy on him until the very end. And then I got pictures and got

1050
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,560
like autographs from Mark and I.
We're huge Sean Mullin fans, and I

1051
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,439
feel like this song was very much
his zeitgeist. Was still sort of like

1052
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,640
pushing us to write our first song
when we when we came out with us,

1053
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,520
Oh that's so cool. So this
one's called Falling in Place, all

1054
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:54,319
right? M and I feel like
things are falling in sleep and I feel

1055
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:00,199
like it's the end of the Red
Queen's Rains, and I feel like the

1056
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:14,319
star are gonna change because I feel
like this was all just rearranged as we

1057
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:27,920
moved from hugs and hand shame.
We must remember how our souls as we

1058
01:28:28,119 --> 01:28:36,680
moved from confidence to confident, We
must remember how our souls pay rang.

1059
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:48,640
And A feel like things are falling
into places, and I feel like it's

1060
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:57,720
me after the Red Queen's Rage,
and I feel like the star for gotta

1061
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:14,479
shame because I I feel like rearrange
and people take too much pride in the

1062
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:24,159
way they picked their sigh ha ha
ha, split up into them and us

1063
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:35,439
a sign seating on the bar on
the books. But I feel like things

1064
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:44,720
are falling into play and I feel
like it's the end of the Red Queen's

1065
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:50,600
range. And I feel like a
star like the stars you gotta shape,

1066
01:29:51,079 --> 01:30:21,439
because I feel like this was all
rearrange. As our lives get more separated

1067
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:35,039
here, well we wish they weren't
so. As things get more complicated,

1068
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:46,840
well we wish we could just know, just know. And A feel like

1069
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:56,319
things are falling against place and die
be like it's the end of the Red

1070
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:05,319
Queen's Rain, and A feel like
star We're gonna change because I feel like

1071
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:16,159
this was all job prearing, and
I feel like heart falling its place and

1072
01:31:16,399 --> 01:31:24,720
die feel like it's the end of
the Red Queen Dreking, and I feel

1073
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:31,239
like the stars, like the stars
are gonna change because I feel like this

1074
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:40,199
was all job preary. I said, I feel like this was all job

1075
01:31:41,439 --> 01:32:00,840
pre Oh that's my favorite so far. Yeah, that's my favorite. I

1076
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,439
love that. Thank you. I
hope that's one of the ones you're recording

1077
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,359
eventually. We hope they all make
it like these are definitely next thing.

1078
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,119
H Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
we got two more that we slated.

1079
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:11,920
If we have time for a third, we can break it. But everything

1080
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,159
that we're gonna hear today, yeah, every of your inter to day will

1081
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:18,159
definitely make it to the to the
engineering booth in the next hopefully six months

1082
01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:20,640
or so. Yeah. Good good, our guys local. He's a professional.

1083
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,399
He's actually touring with Bad Fish right
now, running their sound live.

1084
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,920
He's got a home set up.
He's what's the name Barnwood studio, boards,

1085
01:32:29,039 --> 01:32:35,039
boards, house production. Yeah totally
wrong. Yeah, he oh,

1086
01:32:35,159 --> 01:32:38,840
okay, very good, very good. By the way, Garyet occurred to

1087
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,119
me, I don't think I've ever
seen an eight string guitar in this room

1088
01:32:41,159 --> 01:32:43,199
before. I think you're the first
one to bring one in. I'm glad,

1089
01:32:43,279 --> 01:32:45,840
I'm glad to break the seal.
Yeah, yeah, you should see

1090
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,239
this electric has actually got frets.
What do you call those frets that are

1091
01:32:47,239 --> 01:32:53,000
just like so none of them are
straight. They literally each fret shifts at

1092
01:32:53,039 --> 01:32:57,359
each string and it's like an asymmetrical
lightning bolt. It's crazy, but it's

1093
01:32:57,399 --> 01:33:01,479
got this beautiful true tone. Wow, this is the Bartelex h string nylon.

1094
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,920
So it's a yeah, and it's
band fred It's it's it's fun.

1095
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,119
It was the first thing that got
me into h strings. My old guitar

1096
01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:11,199
teacher, no kidding, yeah,
sold it to me and it's a yeah,

1097
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:14,640
it's awesome. It's it. Have
you met other a lot of other

1098
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,880
people who play an eighth string it's
not really. I mean some like people

1099
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,560
in the crazy metal world, they
like to go eh string yeah, And

1100
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:25,920
I mean I have a jazz background, so there's some like jazz guitarists who

1101
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,239
like to do like walking bass lines. Yeah, so that's what why I

1102
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:32,439
got it from my teacher. He
has a host of eight and weird amount

1103
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,960
of strings. So yeah, yeah, and you do you fingerpick everything?

1104
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:39,479
Uh, it's a mixture. Like
that song, I was doing a lot

1105
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,359
of fingerpicking some of the other songs, and the next song, I think

1106
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,439
I do a lot of pickings.
So it's a it's a mixture of both.

1107
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,439
But I've played nylons a lot of
my life, so it's even though

1108
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,520
this is the widest neck you've ever
seen, and it's really not too bad.

1109
01:33:54,239 --> 01:34:00,760
It's like a meme. Smart do
you always pick or do another fingerpicker?

1110
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,479
I do mixture of both. I
do have some of our originals that

1111
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:09,560
are all fingerpicking, Okay, I
mostly uh facilitate the rhythmic portion of what

1112
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,520
we do. Yeah, it was
gary freedom to fill in all the holes

1113
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:19,560
with the taste. Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely so mostly Yeah. Okay,

1114
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,880
all right, yeah you guys want
to play another? Yeah? Maple

1115
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,760
five? What is that? Cable
five? Oh? All right? So

1116
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,000
this is uh mark another reason these
are amazing humans. I cannot stress enough.

1117
01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:32,840
This is the project that I've been
waiting on my whole life, and

1118
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,359
I'm glad I've done every project I've
done but this is the one that I've

1119
01:34:35,399 --> 01:34:40,680
really been waiting for. These guys
also invite me to shows to see people

1120
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:44,680
that broaden my musical horizons. Opened
my mind up, and Mark said,

1121
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,479
hey, let's go see Chris til
we saw him in ports Smith. Nobody

1122
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,159
was there. It was really sad. It was like a quarter of the

1123
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:50,960
theater was full. This guy was
amazing and he made me start thinking about

1124
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,920
Leonard Cohen again, who I really
hadn't thought about seriously since like ninety five

1125
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,279
six seven when I was in college. And it made me start thinking about

1126
01:34:58,319 --> 01:35:01,159
Leonard Cohen. So somehow that into
sort of a Bluegrassy song. So this

1127
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:04,560
is Beautiful Loser, which is our
tribute to Leonard Cohen. Chris plays in

1128
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,319
Nickel Creek Blue Crass. Oh okay, I was gonna say, I know,

1129
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:12,640
I know the name being Helen of
Mandolin. Yeah, videos, super

1130
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,640
obscure, but an amazing player,
great stage press. It's great performer,

1131
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,640
all by himself. One instrument,
two Mike's one for the instrument, one

1132
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:21,039
for him, no effects, just
like on stage, just making it was

1133
01:35:21,079 --> 01:35:24,960
the last time you saw a guy
with a mandolin. Just capture realm Miller

1134
01:35:25,279 --> 01:35:30,520
where in Portsmouth was that old the
old theater that they just redid with the

1135
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,600
nice marquee at the top, kind
of off the main street. Yeah,

1136
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,840
sort of gilded era. Kind of
reminds me a miniature version of the Orpheum.

1137
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:39,319
I can picture it. Yeah,
it looked like it was late eighteen

1138
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,079
hundreds. I can't remember the name, but it was. It was read

1139
01:35:42,199 --> 01:35:45,000
one and beautiful. Yeah, great
show. Yeah, very cool, very

1140
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:46,680
cool. This is a mix of
Leonard Cohen and blue grass. Yes,

1141
01:35:46,760 --> 01:36:13,359
it's called Beautiful Loser. All right, jam tomorrow. There studio a big

1142
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:19,039
hole in the fabric of space and
time. Like I had a dollar and

1143
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:28,279
I needed a time. I been
to both of the missus fahy, from

1144
01:36:28,359 --> 01:36:34,199
the Minnesota Highlights to the New Orleans
Social She grips me. And I don't

1145
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:45,479
know what happened to me between me
and light and living free, keep walking

1146
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:57,079
to hers where I think I might
be. God is a lie, that

1147
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:08,520
magic is afoot. Somethings just won't
stay where they're buts reinvention tainted by previous

1148
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:15,760
intention won't save us from those things. We just can't mention. And I

1149
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:26,720
don't know what happened to me between
me in Linemen, living break, she

1150
01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:30,680
walking to horse where I think I
might be, think I might be,

1151
01:37:34,079 --> 01:38:02,840
to the bread, and I don't
know I happen to me? Between me

1152
01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:12,159
in life, living free, keep
walking thoughts where I be I might be.

1153
01:38:18,039 --> 01:38:23,680
Every time we pull back the curtain, me find another curtain. But

1154
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:30,680
my mind is weary and my back
is hurting. The only thing I've even

1155
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:38,399
know for searching, it's behind every
curtain, there's another curtain and another curtain,

1156
01:38:40,199 --> 01:38:47,560
And I don't know what happens to
me. Dream feeling life and living

1157
01:38:47,800 --> 01:39:00,640
free, keep walking the horse where
I think I might be, And I

1158
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:11,560
don't know what happened to me,
dween feeling life and living free, keep

1159
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,359
walking through where I think I might
be. I think I might be,

1160
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:28,239
I think I might be. What
happens to me? Tween me a life,

1161
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:35,319
live every keep walking though where I
think I might feeling. I think

1162
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:58,039
I might feel, I think I
might be nice. We just that's a

1163
01:39:58,079 --> 01:40:00,319
new ending for us. We just
just worked on other li for her.

1164
01:40:00,399 --> 01:40:01,600
Yeah, the whole walk capella piece
and then switching out. So that was

1165
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:04,600
a that was thank you, That
was that was our first time I think

1166
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:08,119
we've ever done that live. Yeah, I was a surprise here and the

1167
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:11,199
two of you singing together. Because
you haven't done anybody, they'll expect it

1168
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:13,760
all the time. Mark Harmon is
on like twenty five percent of our songs,

1169
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,239
but kind of developed a lot for
our originals. Yet. Yeah,

1170
01:40:15,319 --> 01:40:18,279
No, that sounded really good though, thank you, really good. Absolutely,

1171
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,800
and it's funny too. Gary.
During that song, that was when

1172
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:26,520
I really like watching you. That's
when I really got it. As far

1173
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,600
as he ate string, it was
like, oh, I get it,

1174
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:30,880
you know, because you're you're playing
guitar and you're playing bass at the same

1175
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,239
time. Effectively, it was like
just switches modalities like yeah, yeah,

1176
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:36,520
which you know, which you're done
on the other side. But with that

1177
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:41,159
song, it was like, oh
I get it, Yeah, I really

1178
01:40:41,239 --> 01:40:44,279
get it. Yeah. It transfers
even more on electric, you know,

1179
01:40:44,319 --> 01:40:47,800
because then hit a button and he's
doing a soaring distortion solo. Yeah,

1180
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,520
where you know, not so much
on this, and then it sounds like

1181
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:55,239
like a B three on the next
Sweet. I like that. I'm a

1182
01:40:55,279 --> 01:41:00,079
sucker for Hammond Hamond cheese. You
guys want to do uh you see?

1183
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:02,119
Yeah? Yeah, one more right, we got as many more as you

1184
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:04,239
want. We got one more that
we we practiced for this, and we

1185
01:41:04,279 --> 01:41:08,399
could throw another one and if we
got time, yeah, well we'll see

1186
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,359
how the We'll see how the time
is, but we can definitely get one

1187
01:41:11,399 --> 01:41:14,479
more in a right. So this
next song, this is written about my

1188
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,680
wife's cousin. She passed away about
twenty years ago doing some piece work in

1189
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,720
the Middle East. Oh wow,
really, yeah, you can google her

1190
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:25,359
name's Rachel Corey. There's probably more
information than you want to know. Frankly,

1191
01:41:26,079 --> 01:41:29,880
it's a tragic tale all around.
It took a long time for me

1192
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:35,439
to write this. Her her journals
were actually Alan Rickman from Snape actually took

1193
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:40,359
her journals and wrote a one woman
play called My Name Is Rachel I Believe

1194
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,640
or Let Me stand Alone, and
that toured briefly in New York and then

1195
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:46,000
off Broadway. We went to see
it a couple of times, once in

1196
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:50,399
New York, once here in Boston. And a lot of the lyrics from

1197
01:41:50,399 --> 01:41:55,479
this and most of the chorus actually
come from her journals, So I kind

1198
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:59,640
of tried to stitch it together and
make it cohesive narrative, but the majority

1199
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,359
of the content from the song actually
comes directly from her journals, right up

1200
01:42:02,359 --> 01:42:05,640
to the day before she died.
Wow, heavy song, but it's a

1201
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,520
story that needed to be told.
It took me about fifteen years to have

1202
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,199
the courage to put it down.
And what's her name, Rachel Corey?

1203
01:42:13,399 --> 01:42:16,159
Okay, all right, yeah she
was twenty three. Wow. We could

1204
01:42:16,199 --> 01:42:20,840
have done probably ten verses, but
so it's yeah, it's still a seven

1205
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:26,159
minute song. But yeah, so
this one's called the Whole Wide World,

1206
01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:53,159
all right, jam tomorrow. A
child of the huge It sound a doven

1207
01:42:53,600 --> 01:43:03,640
toun, raised by wearing parents,
aware of the world. They hid me.

1208
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:14,479
Dad went to be hid. Now
you can't come back. See,

1209
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:27,720
I grew up with his sense of
calm and the burning plain. Let me

1210
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:33,760
stand alone at the act of the
earth and look at it. Honestly.

1211
01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:45,640
Maybe my world swirls around me,
but one thing is stationed. Every If

1212
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:58,279
the world tizz away from my left
meaninglessly, let them hang in the air

1213
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:15,920
for a while and look at the
Mornestly, my name is Rachel. Trying

1214
01:44:15,319 --> 01:44:26,399
to bridge the distance between the moon
and the star. I flew across the

1215
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:36,239
world to rougher, and it seemed
so far. Sometimes you work for the

1216
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:48,880
world, sometimes for yourself. Sometimes
you can't see what is hiding on the

1217
01:44:49,159 --> 01:45:00,720
highest shell. Let me stand alone
at the sill beer and look get it

1218
01:45:00,079 --> 01:45:11,399
honest see. Maybe my work swells
around me, but one thing is stationed

1219
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:19,239
everything. If the words die use
buzz away from my left meaning English,

1220
01:45:19,399 --> 01:45:28,640
he lad back, hack in the
air for a white and look at them

1221
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:48,720
holiest feed. My name is Rachel
houses horlish time the orages on in all

1222
01:45:51,479 --> 01:46:03,079
machine gun fire, sunset mortar blasts
at ton. Who are they? Why

1223
01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:14,640
are they here? They asked mehind
now wi die. We came from America

1224
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:26,960
to stop these attacks. Let me
stand alone at the air jumpy here and

1225
01:46:27,239 --> 01:46:33,399
look at it on his feet.
Baby. My well swells around me,

1226
01:46:35,279 --> 01:46:44,760
but one thing is stationed everything.
The one tie used buzz away from my

1227
01:46:45,039 --> 01:46:55,399
left meaning skee. Let them hang
in the air for awe and look at

1228
01:46:55,520 --> 01:47:14,359
the monis. My name is Rachel
greeting people hot, baby, beloved,

1229
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:28,600
show the love, thinking back when
I was a child parading as we have

1230
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:41,159
to protect the war. We need
war alive, Bill need tous This moment

1231
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:54,399
I never found so alive. Let
me stand alone at the love and look

1232
01:47:54,560 --> 01:48:03,439
at it. Honestly. Maybe my
wealth around me, but one thing is

1233
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:14,159
stationed everything though who was. I
used buzz away from my land meaning with

1234
01:48:14,399 --> 01:48:21,279
the land back, pain in the
air, photo, wine and look at

1235
01:48:21,359 --> 01:48:34,880
them partiest. My name is Rachel. My name is Rachel. My name

1236
01:48:35,039 --> 01:48:56,680
is Rachel. My name is Rachel. Wow. That's an intense song.

1237
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,319
That's great. Thank you, that
is amazing. That is amazing. I

1238
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,159
wish we had time for one more, but we're actually almost out of show.

1239
01:49:03,239 --> 01:49:05,760
But that was awesome. But guys, thank you so much. And

1240
01:49:06,199 --> 01:49:10,039
before we do run out of time, please tell us what we should know

1241
01:49:10,079 --> 01:49:12,680
about, where to find you online, keep up with what you're doing,

1242
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,720
social media, upcoming shows, anything
you want to make sure are so.

1243
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:17,000
We don't have a website. We're
still working on that, still working on

1244
01:49:17,039 --> 01:49:20,199
the album, still kind of trying
to take this little more seriously than just

1245
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:24,000
some kids in the sandbox pretending to
be a rock and roll band to put

1246
01:49:24,039 --> 01:49:28,239
Shell Silverstein. We've got a show
coming up on the twenty fourth at Strange

1247
01:49:28,279 --> 01:49:30,159
Brew. Facebook's always the best way
to follow us. We do have a

1248
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:33,239
page Jim Tomorrow Dash at the Band, so you don't confuse it with,

1249
01:49:33,279 --> 01:49:35,680
like, you know, Jim Tomorrow, the Lunchbox, Tomorrow, the Sleeping

1250
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:41,680
Bag Jim tomorrow the Flamethrower. The
kids love that one, so you can

1251
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:44,640
track us there. We always make
sure we put out postings several weeks ahead

1252
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:48,520
of shows. We're also doing Friends, I think that's that's next month,

1253
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:53,199
the twenty Yeah, and we're doing
Rob Azevedo's doing a thing down in arms

1254
01:49:53,319 --> 01:49:58,079
Park Saturday the twenty six, I
think, and we're gonna play it around

1255
01:49:58,079 --> 01:50:00,239
six thirties, just Gary and I. Mark's got something most on, So

1256
01:50:00,279 --> 01:50:01,640
we're gonna do a couple of cuts
that we've been working on together sort of

1257
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,880
independently. Well, a couple of
covers probably, So that's where you can

1258
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:06,720
find us, but we appreciate it, and hopefully you can find us here

1259
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,600
again because we'd love to come back. Oh. Absolutely absolutely. Have you

1260
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,399
been on Rob's show? Yeah,
we're working on it. Yeah. Yeah,

1261
01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:15,359
My other project was on there and
it was it was cool. It's

1262
01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:18,520
a cool so Gary's and Fox and
the Flamingos as well. A really cool

1263
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:23,119
five piece funk project, super high
energy, really great covers, some cool

1264
01:50:23,159 --> 01:50:26,840
originals, very talented folks. You
should check them out too. Yeah,

1265
01:50:27,039 --> 01:50:30,359
yeah, absolutely too. Yes,
absolutely, take up a little more space,

1266
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:34,359
not a problem, not a problem. Well, guys, this has

1267
01:50:34,399 --> 01:50:38,319
been wonderful. Thank you so much, and thank you Jen, thank you

1268
01:50:38,319 --> 01:50:41,720
so much. We really appreciate it, absolutely absolutely, and it's great to

1269
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,439
see you. And while you're sounding
great, thank you. I felt like

1270
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,359
that was a great chemical distance,
was a great place to sort of learn.

1271
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:50,159
Had a tour and had a book
and had a guerrilla market, but

1272
01:50:50,199 --> 01:50:53,199
I didn't have a lot of room
to play as far as what I was

1273
01:50:53,239 --> 01:50:56,239
gonna do. And this, this
project gives me just so much more leeway

1274
01:50:56,279 --> 01:51:01,159
to kind of yeah, claim my
hokey old stuff. No, it's it's

1275
01:51:01,239 --> 01:51:04,560
it's very good, very good.
Appreciate you guys coming in and uh,

1276
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:08,880
Jenny, did you want to plug
your your website or oh yes, you

1277
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,640
can always check me out at gen
Coffee dot com. J E N N

1278
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:15,560
C O F f EI dot com. See what kind of trouble I am

1279
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,119
rolling up the fight for healthcare for
all? Yes, yes, absolutely all

1280
01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:21,279
right, And if you miss any
part of today's show it we'll be up

1281
01:51:21,319 --> 01:51:25,640
in just a little bit at w
m H radio dot org and on my

1282
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:30,079
website Matt Connerton dot com. And
gentlemen, thank you again, jam Tomorrow,

1283
01:51:30,279 --> 01:51:33,039
thank you just incredible and uh,
we won't have time to play the

1284
01:51:33,079 --> 01:51:35,720
whole thing, but well we'll leave
you with a little more of the new

1285
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:40,920
single from these guys killing time,
and uh, that's gonna do it for

1286
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,479
us. For now, I'll talk
to'all a little bit by everybody.

1287
01:52:24,399 --> 01:52:33,439
There is a song I want to
tell from way back deep like a well,

1288
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:46,159
there is a song I need to
sing. It seems it's somehow god

1289
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:57,560
away. I'm just killing time until
time kills me. A point for the

1290
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,079
ferry Maid, a ring for m