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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. These guys are you favorites,

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So like say subscribe and rade it. I'm star and me grates on USh

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today listening a watching lim always keep
its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff

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Berrickman and James Bobo Fay, Hey
Bobs. Oh wait a minute, you're

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not Bobs, You're Matt Prewitt.
Bobo isn't here. He is in the

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woods. So you are listening to
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and parentheses Bobo

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and Matt Prewitt. So, yeah, Bobo is not here this week.

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He is in the woods. He
is out doing some Bigfoot stuff and we

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look forward to hearing about what he's
been doing out in the woods. But

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Matt Prewitt, the lovely and talented
Matt Prewitt, is our co host,

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our guest co host. Right now, Hi, Matt, how you doing

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man? I'm great. I just
came back from an awesome week in the

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Pacific Northwest. I'll have to tell
you all about it. That's what we're

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doing today. Yeah, So Matt
was out here in the Pacific Northwest for

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the last X number of days and
I thought that that would probably be a

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good enough episode. Beyond good enough, I mean a really good episode because

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amazing things happened. I mean,
how fortuitous that you came out and all

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these things went down. Huh Oh, it was really great. I mean,

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first of all, it's just great
to get back out there because I

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think about it all the time,
having lived in the Northwest and have so

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many friends there and great memories,
and obviously if you're into the Sasquatch subject,

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there's there's kind of no better place
to be, just in terms of

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the history and all that. So
it was really looking forward to that trip,

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especially to see you and to see
Melissa. So maybe we could start

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at the beginning there, before even
squatch Fest. Yeah, so this past

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weekend was squatch Fest, but so
much more it went down besides squatch Fest.

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So I guess probably the beginning of
things that we should talk about is

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I guess that you were just coming
out a few days early to hang out,

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and we've been looking forward to that
for a long time. I think

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you bought your ticket. It's back
in like October and November or something like

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that. Had all these big plans. Oh, I'm going to take you

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out to our big foot spot where
we've been getting this stuff and that stuff,

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and then all of that was you
know, shot the hell basically because

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of that crazy weather storm that came
through. Man, it was just nuts.

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I think I've ranted about that a
little bit on the podcast before.

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We had you know, pretty high, high level winds that were stained all

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sorts of things were frozen, and
trees were dropping, and you know,

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it was a big It was a
big hubbub around here in the Portland area

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that where I was. It was
really bad because all the trees. But

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down in Portland and Gresham and all
these towns here, you know, cold

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air sinks, so there was a
layer of icebated everything, and I thought,

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oh god, what a terrible time
for Matt and Emily to come out

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and visit for a couple of days. But it kind of cleared up by

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the time you guys were in town, Oh it did. But it was

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crazy to see all that destruction.
I mean, it looked like the aftermath

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of a tornado, and I know
it wasn't. It was just high winds,

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but there were massive trees down all
over the place and lots of destruction

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and looked like power lines down and
it was pretty wild to see, so

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you you definitely weren't exact writing about
any of that, No, and you

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saw the cleaned up version on top
of it. I mean that's after like

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a four or five days of cleanup
had already happened, and it was still

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pretty nutty. Yeah, certainly.
Yeah. But anyway, Matt and Emiley

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came into town, you know on
Tuesday, is that right? Tuesday?

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That is correct? Yeah, And
so Tyler my one of my employees here,

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he worked for me, so I
had all those well, actually I

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worked on Tuesday, but he worked
for me on Wednesday and Thursday, which

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I really appreciate, if you're listening, tire thanks man, really appreciate giving

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me that time off. Which is
ironic that the employee gave the boss the

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time off, but I do appreciate
it nonetheless. So we picked them up

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and just kind of came back to
the house and hung out that night,

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didn't we Yeah, because we landed
after dark, and so we didn't get

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a chance to see the property or
see the surrounding areas that particular night.

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But Wednesday we definitely did a lot
of that. Yeah. I think that

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was the first time you've been in
my house, even because you hadn't been

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out here since twenty nineteen, that
is correct, Yeah, and so that

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was a whirlwind visit too. I
think we just popped by the museum and

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then drove a bitter out mount hood
back then in twenty nineteen. So you

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know, i'd heard you describe the
property and what made you decide to move

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to that particular place. And if
you're a bigfooter, obviously the dream is

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always to live in the sort of
place where if you wanted to conduct field

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research you could just walk out your
back door, and you definitely have that

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sort of property, and so it
was really cool to hop on the side

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by side with you and see all
the area. Emily and I are both

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just blown away. I mean it's
beautiful, it's wild. I think you've

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posted on social media, but there's
these amazing photos of giant black bears and

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mountain lions and all that's basically in
your backyard. And so you really live

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in one of the squatchier places imaginable. Oh yeah, yeah. And then

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of course the view out the windows
not bad. I mean, Melissa posts

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a lot of pictures of that.
She's in love with the mountain, and

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we have the mountain tip over there
on the edge of our valley there,

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so we can see it pretty well. And you know, all those game

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camera pictures they come from my property. Essentially a couple of them come off

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the property. You know, we
have cameras and other locations. We have

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cameras out down the Clackavius River a
little bit, and so a few other

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places, you know, for bigfoot
reasons. For the stuff on my property,

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I just kind of want to know
what's walking around in the woods at

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night, you know, like what
do I need to be afraid of if

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I walk up the hill? You
know, that's kind of yeah. But

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yeah, so we just kind of
hung out and then Wednesday, what do

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we do Wednesday? I don't even
remember. We had all day. I

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remember, well, we came to
the museum, didn't we Yeah, we

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came to the museum, check some
stuff out there. We drove around the

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property on the side by side,
and then Wednesday night we went out to

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the willows. Oh that's right,
and man it, yeah, I saw

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the video. By the way,
because everybody knows that we have a membership

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for the museum, which is separate, by the way from the membership of

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the podcast. So all you podcast
folks, we really do appreciate it.

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But a lot of people have asked
me. Even at squatch Fest, people

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are coming up and asking me.
He says, Cliff, I'm a member,

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but I don't see these videos you're
talking about. Oh, that's because

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that's a different membership. I mean, I hate to get you from you

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know, both both sides like that. But you know, the podcast is

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one entity, and then of course
the museum is another. So there's two

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different memberships going on. But the
museum members and North American Bigfoot Center members

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get videos every month. They get
two videos that would make every single month

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about field research and stuff. And
we made a video when we went out

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to the Willows. The Willows is
one of our local Bigfoot spots. It's

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down pretty low elevation, which was
important this time of year because of the

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weather. And so even though the
better are the spots that I would consider

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to be better, I guess are
up higher, they were totally inaccessible,

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totally inaccessible, totally snowed in.
Keith and those guys tried to get to

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one of the spots, but one
direction was completely snowed in as of like

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Saturday night and we're recording this on
a Wednesday, by the way, So

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last Saturday night the spot was completely
inaccessible from snow one direction and then the

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only other way in there were it
was like it's like Godzilla walked through and

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crushed everything and threw trees over the
road. He said, so you couldn't

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get into the spot. Turns out, although on a side note, Dave

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Dave Ryan from Clackham a sasquatch and
he's one of my employees. He got

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into the spot yesterday via the Snow
place, so you can get in there

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now by the way, you just
missed it. But so anyway, we

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brought Emily and Matt to the Willows, which is a low elevation bigfoot spot

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with a number of sightings and this
private land is a big chunk of private

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lands. And that video just dropped
today, so I will Nico has the

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file, so I'll upload the file
to our Google drive and send you a

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link so you can check out the
video that you and Emily are in.

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Oh, very cool. Now,
it was great to see that spot I've

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heard you guys talk about. It
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too. I mean, that was
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and I know we'll get into it
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man, there are so many people
that I've talked to for many years,

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some of whom like ten or fifteen
years, that I only met in person

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for the first time last weekend.
And Nico is one of them. You

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know, I've been chatting with him
for as long as he's been an employee

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of years, so it was great
to meet him in person. Yeah,

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well, before we get to the
Willows events of evening, so the museum,

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you came to the museum, and
of course I know one of the

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highlights of you coming to the museum
was getting to reconnect with Will again.

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Oh man, that was so great. I don't know if we talked about

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it on the main podcast. I
know we've talked about it in members episodes

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before. But you know, when
I lived in the Northwest, I was

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introduced to a friend of cliffs named
Will Robinson. And he's a very bobo

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esque character in the sort of the
fact that he's had a wild past and

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wild background and just unbelievable stories which
just happened to be true. And so

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not only is he great in the
field, and super reliable and great to

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be around. But he's wildly entertaining
and has the funniest stories, and so

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really hit it off with Will.
When I lived out there, spent in

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I don't know, maybe a year
and a half going out in places in

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the field with him, and so
hadn't seen him since twenty ten. So

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it was great to be at the
museum and then Will came over and hung

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out and got to meet my wife, and so that was so much fun,

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beyond just finally getting to see the
museum in its current form, because

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I hadn't seen it since it formally
opened. When I was there before,

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only the gift shop was open.
There was nothing in the back, there

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were no exhibits up. So you've
done such a great job with the place.

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It's really amazing. It was so
cool to walk around there. So

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gett to reconnect with Will again.
I mean, you used to go out

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with Tyler and Will kind of a
lot like pretty frequently, and I know

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Will was telling some stories and whatnot. Did Will remind you of any stories

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that you had actually experienced that maybe
you forgot about, Oh yeah, he

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did, because we did spend a
lot of time together and certain things that

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happened in some of those locations that
were really memorable, and I wasn't as

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diligent about keeping field notes all the
time back then as I am now,

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and one of the things i'd forgotten
about there was an area on the southern

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side of the Olympic Peninsula that we
went to a few times, and the

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first time that I had scouted there
with Tyler Bounds, we had some amazing

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vocalizations and then later had other experiences
there. But Will reminded me. He's

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like, do you remember that one
night we went out on this other side

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road and he said, you did
a big, huge howl and then a

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massive tree snapped and fell as if
it were pushed over in an immediate response.

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And I was like, oh,
yeah, I do remember that.

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I'd forgotten about that particular incident because
the other things were more like vocalization responses

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and things like that. So that
was a good memory, Like, oh

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yeah, I do. And then
I went back in my email and I

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could see some discussions about it from
back then. That was back in twenty

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ten, but I just hadn't thought
about that particular incident among the many others

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in a long time, so that
was a nice reminder. Yeah, that's

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cool. And you know what,
Will must like you a lot, because

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it takes a lot to get him
out of the house, so it was

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neat to see. It was good
to see Will for me, you know.

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I mean, I haven't seen Will
in probably a year, and he

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lives like four miles from it or
something, so it was great to catch

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up with him and have him come
in and hang out. And he hadn't

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seen the museum for quite a while
either. But it was just good to

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see for old friends again, like
Will and how do you guys connect again?

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It was cool, It was really
cool. You know what's funny is

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I'll try to truncate the story because
I tend to get long winded when telling

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funny stories. But there was one
particular time that Will and I and Tyler

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Bounce had gone out in an area
kind of outside of Seattle, somewhat near

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like Snikwalmi Pass, and we had
this thermal imager, which back in the

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day it was the I think the
precursor to the fleer H three twenty four.

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It was something in that fleer H
series. But to record, you

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had to actually hold down the record
button. You couldn't just click at once.

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It would only record as long as
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so we were looking around scouting,
making some sounds. We had established this

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sort of small camp, primitive camp, and this big, heavy animal came

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through. It was breaking a lot
of stuff, you could hear, very

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big and heavy, and so we're
scanning with this thermal and then we see

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this big heat signature. Long story
short, we recorded this for like an

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hour and a half, almost having
to take turns passing this thing back and

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forth while our hands were cramping from
holding this button down, and towards the

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very end, like we got a
little bit better of a view of it.

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But Will was looking at it the
last portion and he thought he saw

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arms reach out and extend. So
we got pretty excited, you know,

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oh we might have gotten footage.
We were so excited, like we were

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really howling at the moon, like
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Predator like ah, you know.
So we went to look at the footage

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on my computer and I didn't have
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So riled up about this, I
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like parking in the parking lots of
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had a free Wi Fi so I
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the parking lot download These drivers flew
back to camp look at these videos,

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and it turned out to me an
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we blew it up on the thing. So we drove up to snookwalmy pass

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to the top there and went into
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quartz rocks, like polished quartz,
with Elk emblazoned on them. So each

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bought one and determined that these would
be our like Elk brotherhood tokens for the

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night. We got fooled by an
Elk and so he told me. I

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said, dude, I still have
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look at it every day we record. And he was like, dude,

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I put mine out at Cliff's favorite
squatch spot. I found an Elk wallow

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and I buried it under the and
that's why Cliff has so much activity there.

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What year was that, by the
way, that that happened, Do

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you remember that was twenty ten?
Twenty ten, because I remember you guys

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called me or texted me during all
that, or so one of you guys.

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It probably Will, I'm guessing.
I think I called Bart because Bart

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had the same unit, and so
I had to be like, hey,

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man, where do I find these
drivers that will convert these video files where

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I can view them? And of
course I think we got one. Man,

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I think we got one. So
it was I had to do the

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call of shame afterwards, you know, right, stay tuned for more Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

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Well. Yeah, so catching up
with Will was pretty awesome, and it's

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of course there's a pleasure to see
Will whenever. I can love that guy.

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But the museum, So let's talk
about the museum just for a few

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moments, since you had never really
seen the exhibit hall before, beyond photographs

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or something that you might have caught
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We had just put up, just
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and we're not even done with the
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of it is up at this moment. Did anything strike you and leave a

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lasting impression on you? Oh?
I would say just all of it,

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especially cumulatively. I mean, having
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things are so much different now with
the Internet, and so I don't

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want to be like the guy that's
like back in my day. But I

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think people should understand, especially younger
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age are older, they will understand. But for young enthusiasts or researchers,

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proponents, et cetera. It was
so hard to track down even books back

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in the day, because a lot
of them were out of print, and

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they certainly weren't all distributed in places
like libraries or bookstores, and so you

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had to spend a lot of time
on eBay and find used copies. And

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if you wanted to see a lot
of the the best evidence, you had

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to accumulate like five or six books
to get pictures of this track or that

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track, or you know, this
bit of trace evidence, like this handprint

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that handprint, on and on and
on, and it was a process.

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early websites, it wasn't like all that

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stuff was cataloged on websites, and
so to build a familiarity with a lot

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of this evidence took a lot of
years and a lot of searching let's say,

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like information foraging, and then having
to purchase all this stuff and review

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physical copies, and so it would
have been unfathomable to me in my twenties

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to think that, like I could
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this stuff in three dimensions in person, because you know, you have the

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originals of so many of these pieces
of evidence. Now some of those originals

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are on display, and if it's
not the original, it's a first generation

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copy, so it's as detailed a
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you can imagine, or these other
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And maybe people take that for granted
because they can just walk in and that's

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just their world because they're younger or
newer. But man, it's really a

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remarkable thing to be able to see
all of that in person and have that

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three D almost tactile experience where you
could reach out and nearly touch all of

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these things, let alone all of
the multimedia displays, so various pizzas of

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video, thermal imaging, vocalization recordings, et cetera, et cetera. And

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then there's all the sort of the
cultural iconography. You know you've got a

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lot of great representations of you know, artistic depictions and then the way that

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the Sasquatch has been portrayed over the
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thing I dreamt of, you know, that I wish would have existed a

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long time ago. So it's pretty
remarkable that you've done that, You've pulled

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it off. Well. You know, I get a lot of comments from

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people, bigfooters in particular, like, you know, civilians, not so

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much. The civilians they go,
what handprints. I've never even heard they

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had handprints, But you know,
the bigfooters of course, that know that

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there are handprints in various other body
parts out there. They come in they

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say, you know, I've only
seen pictures of this in books, but

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to see this thing in real life, right there in front of me,

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it really gives a whole different perspective
on this thing. And I remember back

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in the nineties when I saw my
first footprint casts. You know, the

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first footprint cast I ever purchased was
the Freeman knuckle Print. I got that

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from Krantz because for a very brief
period of time in the early days of

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the internet, Krantz was selling cast
replicas. I sure wish I would have

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got more from him at the time, but I just couldn't afford it,

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you know. The only one I
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twenty dollars for the knuckle prints,
you know, So that's what I got

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first. And then I saved some
money and I got the Patterson Gimlan right

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foot cast. He sold that on
his website as well. Through there's another

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grad student helping them with that,
but I guess it doesn't matter at the

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point. But anyway, when I
first got the cast, it kind of

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blew my mind. It's like Wow, in the book, it's one thing,

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but in person, it's an entirely
different thing. And I think that's

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one of the neat things about the
museum here is that I can put it

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out in front of everybody and there's
no glass between you and the artifact.

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It's just right there, which is
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I don't want, you know,
the public to get their grubby hands on

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the originals, but you know,
that's right there in front of you.

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We do have some originals, of
course in the museum but it's under glass,

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you know, as they should be
protected. But it's a different story

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to see these things and really get
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what I want people to do.
I want people to get as close as

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they can to these things and really
look at it to see if they can

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pick out the fine details of the
anatomy, maybe some skin, skin texture

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or something like that in there.
And it's something I'm kind of pleased with.

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You know, the artistic stuff and
you know, the chotchkes and the

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you know, the bigfoot you know, beers and whatever else. That's all

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cool because that anchors it. For
the civilians, the people who are not

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bigfooters, it's like, oh,
I've seen that beer, you know,

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I've seen the Sierra Nevada Bigfoot brew
or something like that. That connects them

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to the subject in some sort of
way. The iconography, as you said,

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but this the evidence that I think
is most important. So if you're

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a bigfooter at all, I think
that you'll get more out of the museum

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than just you know, the lay
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because again just seeing images. It's
hard enough to even collect all the images

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of everything that's in that museum.
Like I said, you'd have to have

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multiple books, and some of which
are rare, some of which are out

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of print. But then even if
you buy the books, it's like,

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okay, well, the picture in
the book is a black and white picture

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that's like, you know, two
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really, like you said, you
get a much stronger sense of the scale

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and the scope when you're right there
in person with it and you go,

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oh wow, you know, even
something you know, like the larger track

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examples like layered meadow for example,
Like you could see that picture a lot

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of times, but when you actually
are confronted with that big footprint, you

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know that track, it's it's quite
different to go, oh man, that's

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a that's a pretty big piece of
evidence literally, you know. So it's

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great to be in there and see
all that stuff. And you hosted an

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excellent event on Thursday at the museum
for museum members, and so that was

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really cool because it was evident that
all of the people who are supporters and

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members of the museum have that sort
of like reverence for it, for not

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just the institution, let's say,
but for the evidence. And so it

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was really cool to be surrounded by
so many people to whom it meant equally

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as much. You know, it
was very important to them too, So

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that's always a great thing to be
a part of those sorts of discussions because

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I love that stuff so much.
You know, if I lived around there,

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I could probably see myself just hanging
out in there and being a fly

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on the wall listening to people's conversations, because it's just cool to be around

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people who also value it to that
same degree. Well, if you lived

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here, I'd employ you well as
far. And one last thing before we

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jump off the museum and talk about
some other things. Well, actually two

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to two last things. Number one
the eight Canyon stuff that was brand new.

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We put that up literally the day
before you arrived, I think,

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or actually we were putting up while
you were here. At the same time.

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We have that huge panoramic shot of
Ape Canyon, like an eight foot

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mural of the Ape Canyon stuff.
And then the two new displays, one

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about the history of Ape Canyon and
one about the rediscovery of Ape Canyon or

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the cabins in the mind sight at
least, and then of course never before

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seen anywhere in the world. Mind
you those historic photographs that are now on

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the wall of the NABC. What
about those things? I mean that when

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I saw that, I almost wept. I mean it was mind blowing for

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me. And I'm in the midst
of all this stuff. What did you

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think of that stuff? Oh?
That was amazing. You know, I

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didn't know those images existed. I
thought that I had seen because I had

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some really poor scans of some of
those early articles from twenty four and even

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the scanned images I have are really
low resolution, and now there are no

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good ones. That's why even the
originals are just terrible. Yeah, that

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there are no good ones. Yeah, it was. It was just crazy

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to see what you got your hands
on there because they are high resolution.

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They are really cool pictures and you
know, I don't know, I guess

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we've talked about him, but like
there's one, for example, of fred

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Beck recreating the shot that he took
at the thing that I never knew that

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picture exists, and so to see
it in that context, and really cool

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pictures of the cabin with it being
in the state that they claimed it was

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in terms of you know, pieces
missing where the chinking had been knocked out

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and an arm and supposedly reached through
and holding the rocks that struck the cabin

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or that were on the roof like
that was unbelievable. And then to your

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point about you know, you guys
were hanging them up. And so while

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we're on that, I do have
to say, like meeting your employees Nico,

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Dave, Tyler and Keith, like
everyone was super nice. It was

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kind of all hands on deck as
they were getting the museum ready for an

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event, and they were all super
cool. Really enjoyed each one of them.

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Yeah, I could not do with
that. I mean, we're a

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team here at the NABC. I
maybe the smiling face on the in the

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figurehead or something like that, but
I could not be doing it without all

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the employees here. They are really
the backbone of this place, you know,

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and I just cannot express my gratitude
for everything they do for us.

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You know, I really do deeply
appreciate them now. And they're all just

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friends too. Not only do we
work together and you know, share a

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love for the subject, but they're
all just good friends. Yeah. But

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those those photographs are from a woman
named Sandy Moyer, and those only surface

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like I don't know, maybe October
or November or something. Mark Murcell,

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of course, is the guy who
uncovered them or was in contact with Sandy.

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And if I have this right,
and maybe I don't, I don't

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know if I have this right.
Wilma Welch Sandy Moyer, the woman who

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has these photographs and her family's collection, is the great granddaughter I believe of

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Wilma Welch, or no, the
Wilma Welch's sister. Now most people out

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there are saying, well, who
the heck's Wilma Welch. Wilma Welch was

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the first person that the miners spoke
to after the event. I mean,

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they got the cabin was attacked,
they got their stuff, They went for

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the longest seven mile hike they ever
went on in their entire life to get

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out of there because they're scared.
They piled in their car, went to

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the Spirit Lake Ranger station in hopes
of finding Bill Welch, the Spirit Lake

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Ranger. He was stationed there at
Spirital and Wilma was Bill's wife basically,

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And so they went up to Wilman
and said, hey, where's Bill,

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And it's always out in the barn
or something, and Will came and saw

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them, and his comment to the
newspaper was I've never seen a group of

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grown men so scared in my life, you know, So there's that.

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Of course, Bill was very skeptical. He didn't think the whole thing happened.

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He didn't believe in the mountain devils
as they were called back then and

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such. But these photographs were in
the Welch family collection, and they were

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taken by one of the reporters,
I believe the reporters from the Seattle Post

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Intelligencer, probably Slim Lynch, I
believe his name was, or he may

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he may have had a camera guy
with him, a photographer with him at

409
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.599
the time. And again, all
of my facts should always be checked because

410
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.880
I'm kind of going by memory and
that sort of stuff, and my memory

411
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.519
is not the best. So but
of course Mark is sitting on top of

412
00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.799
these are many more photographs too.
By the way, we just kind of

413
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.480
put the most important ones I thought
out there. There's four out there.

414
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:25.119
One shows Wilma on the porch of
the ranger station at Spirit Lake, and

415
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:29.799
I think that's important because she's specifically
mentioned in one of our displays. And

416
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.839
of course these photographs came from her
family, and her family was so gracious

417
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.240
as to allow the NABC to post
them and publish them, you know,

418
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.200
at our Inner Museum, and we
are very grateful, very grateful with them.

419
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.839
The other photographs, of course,
as he mentioned, one was Fred

420
00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:49.480
Beck recreating the shots that he took
at a sasquatch standing nearby when he was

421
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:55.799
getting water out of the nearby spring
of course that spring. There's great photographs

422
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.359
of that from September that I'll get
to in just a moment. And then

423
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:06.720
there's another picture of two gentlemen on
the roof of the cabin next to the

424
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.039
ventilator cap. And those two men
see the ventilator cap was damaged during the

425
00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:15.880
attack, and then rocks started coming
in from the top because you know there's

426
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:19.240
a fire inside the cabinet ventilation cap. So that was the rangers Jim Huffman

427
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:23.279
and Bill Welch on top next to
the damaged ventilator cap. And then there's

428
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:30.759
another picture of Leroy, Perry Smith
and Fred Beck at the cabin. And

429
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.200
of course you can see the chinking
between the logs of the cabin that was

430
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.279
knocked out upon the initial hit on
the side of the cabin. Maybe you

431
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.160
threw a rock made the sasquatch hit
the outside of the house, you know,

432
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.039
because that's what they still do that
behavior nowadays, so it makes sense.

433
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:48.799
Yeah. So those are the four
historic photographs that we have on display

434
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.759
right now, and there are several
more, but those are the most pertinent

435
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.839
to the story, and those are
the ones I wanted to post more than

436
00:26:55.839 --> 00:27:00.039
anything, so and we're very,
very lucky that Sandy Moore and her family

437
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.759
have given us permission to display those. So there's new stuff up at the

438
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.920
NABC directly related to Abe Canyon,
and we couldn't be happier. And of

439
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:12.559
course later this year we're going to
have an event with Mark Marcel talking about

440
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.559
the Ape Canyon stuff and all the
new developments in this past six months.

441
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.720
Because also on display we have an
entire display not only devoted to the story

442
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.160
of Ape Canyon, but the other
display that I put right next to it

443
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.720
was the story of the rediscovery,
because I think that the rediscovery and the

444
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.079
slewthing of all these things is just
as interesting as the actual event. And

445
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:38.480
the final chapter has not yet been
written, but the final chapter on the

446
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:44.400
exhibit board was from well it's probably
these photographs, honestly, because they came

447
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.160
out in October November, but in
September the group of young men who were

448
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:53.079
direct relatives of the miners or one
of the miners rediscovering the Mind sight.

449
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.319
Now, that was out on Facebook. Most people know about that, but

450
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.720
those guys the gentleman there. I
met Jacob this past weekend. We'll get

451
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.440
to that, but also Braden,
who I have not yet met, and

452
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.720
his brother. I believe his name
escapes me right now. I'm so sorry

453
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.839
forgive me. They gave me permission
to post photographs that they took of the

454
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.799
actual mind itself. So a lot
of cool new stuff, and I'm so

455
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:18.319
glad that you and Emily had a
chance to see it, like we were

456
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.519
amongst the first eyes to see these
things. And I'm really really proud of

457
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.279
what we've been doing at the NABC
with the Ape Canyon stuff because this is

458
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.519
one hundred and three anniversary, one
hundred years ago this happened. I think

459
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.640
that's so cool. Oh, it's
very cool. And like I said,

460
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.960
I think for younger people or newer
people, I hope they appreciate it because

461
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:44.119
it's hard to explain or articulate to
people like how unbelievably rare it is.

462
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:48.319
To have all that in one place, and especially for Sasquatch nerds or students

463
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.640
or fishing out it was whatever word
you want to use, like myself to

464
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.519
be confronted with things that like,
oh, I didn't even know that existed

465
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:00.400
these images or this part of the
history, Like that's really cool. It's

466
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.319
all sort of Sasquatch one oh one
to some degree for someone who's new to

467
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.039
walk in and say all that,
but even for long time sort of hardcore

468
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.839
Squatch nerds, which I can say
that because you know, Bobo's not here,

469
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.240
because there's there's nothing he takes exception
to more than being called a nerd

470
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:21.680
not a nerd. He gets more
mad about that word than anything else I've

471
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.160
heard. But you know, even
for us nerds, it's like you walk

472
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.039
in the in ABC and you're going
to see things that you've never seen,

473
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.920
that you didn't know existed, that
you didn't realize that had been documented to

474
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.640
that degree. So it's all super
cool. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

475
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:45.759
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll
be right back after these messages. God,

476
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.799
we're only on Wednesday, man,
we better hurry it up. We're

477
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.000
halfway through the podcast. So that
night, I really wanted to take you

478
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:53.839
out to one of our spots we've
been pulling prints all this time, man,

479
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.319
but it was just snowed in.
We could not do it, but

480
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.480
we had to have access to the
Willows. There's been a handful of reports

481
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.440
out of the Willows, like actual
observations. I mean, Nico was talking

482
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:08.880
to a guy when the guy saw
a sasquatch behind Nico and by the time

483
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.920
Nico turned around, it was gone. So I mean, yeah, there's

484
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.519
activity on this property. And of
course, knowing the location, well duh,

485
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.000
of course there's activity on this property. So we thought, okay,

486
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.039
well that's a good spot to go. So and it's a big chunk of

487
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.920
private land. Our museum members know
it as the Willows. So we had

488
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.279
a chance to take you out there. And what do you think about all

489
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.119
that? Oh? It was rad
It was nice too that you know,

490
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.640
it was pretty clear for the most
part when we first got there because the

491
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.759
moon was sufficient enough we almost didn't
have to use any lights to walk around.

492
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.839
Even in some of the areas that
retained some of the rain somewhat flooded

493
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:47.960
because like you said, it's a
low lying bottoms area. For the most

494
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.359
part, we didn't even have to
use any headlamps or anything like that because

495
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:56.599
it was moonlit and so it was
that perfect Pacific Northwest, big creepy trees

496
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.359
you know, with moonlight cascading through. Looked almost like the nighttime scene of

497
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.359
a horror movie to some degree,
and so it was like the perfect setting.

498
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.599
But then the rain slowly crept in
and it got a little bit colder.

499
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.599
But man, what a spot like. I would have loved to see

500
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.200
it during the daytime too, but
it was esthetically perfect at night. It

501
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:19.480
was everything you could want from a
squatch hotspot, so to speak, except

502
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.759
for too much rain. Man.
The rain drove us out of there,

503
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.079
unfortunately. Yeah, once the rain
picked up and started that, it just

504
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.400
it didn't relent, and we got
out of there in time that I think

505
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.400
you or Nico had pulled up the
radar on your phone and so there was

506
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.359
a huge wave of heavy rain coming, so we got out there before that

507
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.000
hit. But it was cool.
It was nice to be out there,

508
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.319
and those conditions too bad. We
didn't hear anything, but at least we

509
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.400
got a night out in the field. That's always super cool. Yeah,

510
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.799
and you know that was Wednesday night
at this point, and I needed to

511
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.640
get back because I think we're out
there only like ten or eleven or something

512
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.640
like that. It wasn't very late, but I had to get back because

513
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.759
the next day I had to go
pick up Ken Gerhardt from the airport.

514
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:01.720
Ken, of course, has been
a guest on the podcast before, and

515
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.160
I think anybody listening to this podcast
probably knows who Ken is, but just

516
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.599
in case you don't, he's kind
of a cryptozoology author and researcher. He's

517
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.640
you know, I'm a big footer, I think, Matt, I think

518
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.880
it's fair to describe you as a
big footer. But Ken's kind of a

519
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:19.759
generalist. He's into all sorts of
stuff. He sure likes the bigfoot subject,

520
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.839
but he's really into lake monsters and
that sort of thing. He's even

521
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.200
written a book on flying humanoids of
all things, which I don't even know

522
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:30.119
what those things are. Probably a
handful of other books to that. I

523
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:31.599
this is not coming to me right
now. Ken's a good friend and a

524
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.799
good researcher, and he was coming
into town, of course, and he

525
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.799
needed a place to stay, so, you know, so he gave me

526
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.920
a call and because he was speaking
at squatch Fest Friday and Saturday, so

527
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.279
he needed a place to stay,
so he flew in early on Wait,

528
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.640
is that Thursday? No, he
was there Thursday, right, No,

529
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.759
everyone came in on Thursday, that's
right. Yeah, So I had to

530
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.720
drive to the airport on Thursday morning
to pick up Ken, which is always

531
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.880
a pleasure of course to hang out
with Ken, and we brought him back

532
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.319
to the house. Got back to
the house around eleven or something like that

533
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.720
probably, and at one o'clock Michael
Freeman shows up to the house because he's

534
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.240
also spending the night there. I
guess I had kind of a flophouse for

535
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.119
the weekend. And then so we
hung out there for a bit, went

536
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:17.119
to the museum, and then three
o'clock Doctor Meldrum shows up with Brandon and

537
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:22.640
Cynthia Tennant, who was there right. Brandon, of course makes T shirts.

538
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.119
He has a sasquatchprints dot com.
He makes our Bigfoot and Beyond t

539
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.519
shirts. By the way, if
you liked a Bigfoot and Beyond T shirt

540
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.319
that are for sale at sasquatchprints dot
com click link in the show notes.

541
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.480
Yeah, there you go. But
the Lincoln the show notes, you know,

542
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.920
and then he also makes all the
NABC shirts and he's just a good

543
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.599
friend, great artist, a lot
of fun. I love that guy.

544
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.960
So yeah, I mean talk about
big for Royalty man like Meldrum and Freeman

545
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.720
and Garrett Hart and Pruitt and all
sorts. It was like it was like

546
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.519
a you know, like a gravitational
center of nerds man. It was awesome.

547
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.759
Once we got to the museum and
started hanging out, then my very

548
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.839
good friend and constant field partner from
back in the day, Tyler Bown,

549
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:05.400
showed up, who also you know, worked on finding Bigfoot previous guests on

550
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.119
the podcast, so it was amazing
to see him, like I've spent so

551
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.639
much time with him, feels like
yesterday. And then we did the math

552
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.559
and realized we hadn't seen each other
in person in eleven years, which is

553
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.719
pretty crazy. So that was nice. Tim and Dana hallirand from the Bigfoot

554
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.639
influencers you know, the book project
and their podcast, they were there.

555
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.599
There's quite a few people like converged
in that place, so it was cool

556
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.119
to be surrounded by so many friends, you know, let alone the Bigfoot

557
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:36.440
Royalty like you mentioned. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I do really enjoy

558
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.199
these events, they're pretty stressful.
And you know, a normal event,

559
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.360
so yeah, pretty it flows pretty
smoothly. But this one was nuts.

560
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.559
Man. With so many people,
and of course with so many dignitaries in

561
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.480
town, people were going, oh, there's an event, cool, I'll

562
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.400
be there. It's they go,
well, shoot, man, I mean

563
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:52.920
I got to make sure I have
enough seats for the ticket holders, you

564
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.400
know, like like all these you
know, deadheading people are coming out.

565
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.440
It's like, I'll be there,
and it's like, well shoot. So

566
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.800
I actually had have uncomfortable conversations a
few times, like hey, I'm glad

567
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.320
you're here, and you're more than
welcome to be here, but you know,

568
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.079
when we start the event, you
got to make sure that everybody is

569
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.400
seated before you have a seat.
And everybody was super cool. They totally

570
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.880
understood, you know, because we
sold tickets to this event and only to

571
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.199
members. By the way, it
turns out, I put them out to

572
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.280
the museum members first, as always
at a discount, because that's what part

573
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.360
of the membership is when you get
cool stuff, they always get discounts on

574
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:34.239
it. And then when the sales
slowed downs sufficiently, then we put them

575
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.599
out to the podcast members. So
some of you listeners out there actually were

576
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.960
fortunate to score tickets for this event. And then we did this last year

577
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.920
when Meldriuman was in town, and
we tried it again and I think it

578
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:50.119
went better this time. We also
sold virtual tickets for five bucks. It

579
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:55.280
was a five dollars ticket to watch
a one plus hour or Meldrum presentation with

580
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.119
a Q and A at the end, and it seemed to go off without

581
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.840
a hitch. I don't We didn't
get any complaints. And see, because

582
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.920
last time, you know what it
was last time is we sent out emails

583
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.760
to everybody who bought a ticket for
the virtual event last time, and then

584
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.800
we asked for their feedback. And
then Nico went back through all those emails

585
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.079
and then listened to everybody's suggestions and
made sure that we did them to make

586
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.519
this a better event. And I
think we got it. I think we

587
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.119
got it this time. Everybody seemed
really happy and you know, for a

588
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.480
five dollars ticket, what are you
going to complain about? Really? But

589
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:29.079
you know, I think we got
it this time. And so we had

590
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:35.320
the forty forty five people in the
room and I think we sold I mean

591
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.639
not a ton of tickets, probably
about forty tickets. We had people listening

592
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.280
from all over the world. Litt
alone the country, but all over the

593
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.480
world. We had people in Europe
and Australia who bought tickets for the Zoom

594
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.519
event. It was really neat.
It was kind of a fun thing to

595
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.719
do, and we were only going
to sell you know, probably not much

596
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.719
of the more than forty or fifty
tickets anyway for those Zoom events, just

597
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.159
because we don't want to clog up
the internet tubes. You know. I

598
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:00.960
don't know how that worked, but
just in case. That's the problem when

599
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.480
we start naming names, it's like, well, we'll leave someone out,

600
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.599
but lest we forget. We also
had researcher author Tom Powell, and oh,

601
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.159
of course, of course, yeah, yeah, I forgot. Yeah,

602
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.760
Tom dropped by. He didn't.
He saved for a little bit of

603
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.079
the presentation, but you know,
he his wife's a doctor and he always

604
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.199
likes to meet her when she comes
home and that sort of thing, so

605
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.679
he had to split early, I
guess. But yeah, just what a

606
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:29.400
great event, man, what a
great event. I really enjoyed doing these

607
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.679
things, although it is hectic as
all get out for me, especially when

608
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.039
so much Royalty is in town.
Oh yeah, so much fun though,

609
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.280
so great to see so many people. And again, your patrons are so

610
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.599
awesome. I feel like I made
a lot of new friends there. There's

611
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.679
some people I had communicated with,
like you know Mitch at Bigfoot Treasure,

612
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.639
got to meet him in person.
There's one of your patrons, a guy

613
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.239
named Rook who was super cool.
Shout out to Rook. We hit it

614
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.920
off. Very smart, very funny
guy. Just a lot of great people

615
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.280
there was. It was awesome.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And you

616
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:01.320
know, it's just part of the
part of the benefit of being a member

617
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.440
to a Bigfoot and Beyond or the
members or of the museum is that you

618
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.000
get access to events like this because
you know, with these special events at

619
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:13.000
the museum, they're only I can
only sell like thirty or thirty five tickets,

620
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.159
so it's really a private, intimate
event in a lot of ways.

621
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.760
And you know, he don't Did
you catch Meldrum's presentation at Squashfest, by

622
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.360
the way, No, I was
at my booth and I didn't get to

623
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.119
see anyone's presentations unfortunately. Well from
what I heard about that one, he

624
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.280
did a different one at squatch Fest, which is good because the one that

625
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.920
he did at squatch Fest, I
believe I've seen before because he put that

626
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:38.639
paranthropist skull up against Patty's head,
which I think is a really really important

627
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:40.760
slide to see, I think in
a lot of ways. But so he

628
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:46.039
did a presentation at the museum where
he kind of just touched on various topics,

629
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:51.280
like he has thoughts about this,
thoughts about that, and some slides

630
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.599
and a lot of interesting things to
say. And I really liked that kind

631
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.360
of presentation. You know, it's
kind of a reading a book where every

632
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.840
chapter is about a completely new thing, you know, really that kind of

633
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.840
modgepodge sort of mishmash of stuff.
I think it was a great event,

634
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.960
And of course we came back to
the house afterwards because the next day was

635
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:14.039
Squatchfest, and man it was it
was just non stop. I mean by

636
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.960
the time we got the squatch Fest
around noon or one or something like that,

637
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.280
and we hit the ground running,
had to set up everything, and

638
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.760
then they opened the doors at four
or five or something for a few hours

639
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.679
and then the onslaught began. It
was nuts. Yeah, I love those

640
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.880
kind of events though, you know, the coolest thing for me about Squatchfest

641
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.599
both days, the first Friday and
Saturday, was getting to see so many

642
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.559
friends I hadn't seen in so many
years because they all sort of congregated under

643
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.199
the same roof. And then there
were so many people that I'd communicated with

644
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.280
via phone calls and things like that
over the years that I'd never met in

645
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.719
person, like Shane Corson or Todd
Hale, you know a number of these

646
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.199
people that was like, oh,
so cool to finally be even though we've

647
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:58.119
been having conversations for in some cases, like I said, twelve fourteen years,

648
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.559
which is pretty funny. But yeah, it was a great event,

649
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:05.960
very well run, lots of cool
people there, but definitely hardly a moment

650
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.440
to breathe, very busy. It
is one of my favorite events just because

651
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.679
it is so close and it is
so well run and so many people show

652
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.440
up. I mean two probably three
thousand or more people. Three or four

653
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.719
thousand people came through the doors over
the weekend, and of course we were

654
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.599
there Friday and all day Saturday.
Tend to whenever that was on Saturday,

655
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.920
was it eight or six or something, I don't even remember. So this

656
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.199
one big mushy mess in my memory. I don't have a really strong timeline

657
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.800
for winner who were where things came
by the table there, but man,

658
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.119
all sorts of interesting people pop by. And I'm not even really a people

659
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.760
person in that sort of way,
but even I enjoyed talking to some of

660
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:46.400
these people, Like I got to
meet Jacob, Jacob Mitchell and one of

661
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:52.920
the co rediscoverers of the Ape Canyon
mine. Talked to him a little bit

662
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.840
about maybe coming on the podcast and
telling the story of that, and also

663
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.880
coming by the museum for that Mark
Mercell ape Kenyons special events. I mean,

664
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.159
he is Bigfoot royalty now, whether
he wants it or not. Too

665
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.159
bad, buddy. If Jacob,
if you're listening, you're you're doomed.

666
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.719
You're part of the Bigfoot community now
forever. I also I also hung out

667
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:15.159
with the grand great granddaughter or granddaughter
of Fred Beck. Her name was Brenda.

668
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.320
I got to meet her, and
of course Betty Mitchell as well,

669
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.840
the granddaughter of one of the miners, like the Marion's not Marion Smith,

670
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:28.800
Leroy Smith. So yeah, I
met a lot of Ape Canyon folks because

671
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:34.280
all those Ape Canyon miners were living
in that area Longview and Kelso at the

672
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.199
time, and their roots run deep. I think one of the relatives told

673
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.159
me that so and so, you
know, Aunt whatever, Aunt Sandy or

674
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.519
whatever her name was, had seventeen
children or so. I mean, you

675
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:52.519
can imagine how many of those miners
relatives are running around that area. If

676
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:54.400
one of them a few steps up, you know, dad, grandma,

677
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.840
great grandma had seventeen children, you
can imagine how many of those folks are

678
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.239
that DNA in them, the Ape
Canyon DNA. So that's pretty cool.

679
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.440
Yeah, I met someone again,
Like you said, sometimes when you meet

680
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.480
that many people that are brand new, the new folks sort of blend together

681
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.800
a little bit. So I apologize
I don't remember the specific person, but

682
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.880
I met and spoke with someone who
had backpacked into Ape Canyon before the Mountain

683
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:22.639
blee. So this would have been, I think, as this person was

684
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.280
describing it, either the late sixties
or early seventies. But it seemed like

685
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.320
they were motivated at the time of
trying to figure out where the thing fell,

686
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.760
you know, because it's not clear
in the story whether it retreated into

687
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.039
the canyon to Box Canyon, or
whether it was hit and killed and fell

688
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:42.760
into or at least injured and fell
into the canyon. But I did meet

689
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.079
a gentleman there who's like, oh, yeah, I've always been following that

690
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.320
story. And in fact, we
backpacked into Ape Canyon back in the day,

691
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:51.840
you know, trying to find the
thing, which I thought was pretty

692
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:53.800
cool. Yeah, And you know
that there's a group of folks that I

693
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.880
guess it's a fun you know,
like people like go they like to go

694
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.599
caving, or they like to go
mountain climbing. There's group of folks that

695
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.320
kind of do a combination of both
of those scenes and just walk down riverbeds

696
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.800
like and people. There's a group
of folks that did the Ape Canyon thing.

697
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:12.320
They hopped in Ape Canyon at the
very very top, you know where

698
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:17.840
the glacial trickle comes down through that
little area by Pumaspute and goes between that

699
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.119
cleft and the keyhole there that is
such as famous photograph and the Bigfoot books.

700
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.800
The giant rocks. By the way, you have no idea how big

701
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:28.280
those rocks are till you see them. They're They're huge. They're you know,

702
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.079
eighty feet tall, and that big
cleft is right there. They repelled

703
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:36.239
down there and then kept on going
basically, so there is a group of

704
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.880
folks that have done that once or
twice, and what an adventure that must

705
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.199
be. It doesn't look insurmountable.
It looks like you probably want ropes and

706
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:47.559
all that jazz and you know,
and some skill, but otherwise you will

707
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:53.000
almost certainly die. But people have
done that before, so there obviously isn't

708
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.480
any big skulls hanging down there,
or they would have been seen by now.

709
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:59.079
Of course that was such a long
time ago to there'll probably be nothing

710
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.280
left. But yeah, I'm not
a bit surprised to me back, you

711
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:07.480
know. Supposedly I think it was
Rod, I think grandson or son of

712
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.000
I think it was grandson of Fred
Beck, who lived with Fred for quite

713
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.960
a while in his life, from
like thirteen to adulthood. I think he

714
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:21.239
claims to have gone to the mine
site in the early seventies, I believe,

715
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.840
and looked inside, and apparently the
miners had left their gear there.

716
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.000
But I don't know what we'll find
out more about that. Mark has an

717
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.480
interview lined up with this gentleman to
learn a little bit more about what he

718
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.239
saw. Now that the mine has
been rediscovered, maybe we can verify a

719
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.440
few things of interest, which I
think would be kind of cool. Yeah,

720
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:42.119
but it's not just an eight Canyon
sort of show here or an event.

721
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.039
Of course, I spoke to other
people. Some guy named Dane came

722
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:49.880
up to me and told me he
saw sasquatches kind of near Camus, Washington.

723
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.880
And it turns out that I know
more or less where that was,

724
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.679
and by the power lines, by
some various distinct turns in the road on

725
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.400
Highway five hundred. And that's of
interest because I've got some friends who live

726
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.000
up there above Camus, kind of
in the Ireland area, and I go

727
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.920
to their house sometimes for dinner,
and I drive right by the spot.

728
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.880
So I'm kind of interested in that. Had probably give Dane to call in

729
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.760
the next, you know, a
couple of weeks or something see what was

730
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.480
going on with that guy. And
of course that Rook guy that you mentioned

731
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.800
earlier at the at the he's a
nerd. He knows one of my favorite

732
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:22.679
bands, Sparks. In fact,
he listens to the podcast and we've already

733
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.760
give him on shout out, so
you don't get another Rook, don't get

734
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.960
greedy. But he commented to me
one time about how I knew about Sparks,

735
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.280
and he was blown away because he's
also that level of nerd that he

736
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:37.000
knows about Sparks, that band.
But he came up to me and he

737
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.559
gave me a DVD about They Might
Be Giants, because that's kind of another

738
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.639
nerd band, if you know,
in my opinion. And also he gave

739
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:50.119
me a compilation DVD full of Don
Knotts movies. Amazing. I love me

740
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.440
some don Notts and so thank you
Rook. I appreciate that band. That

741
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:59.079
was really cool. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

742
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:07.559
Will be right back after these messages. I'll tell you something funny.

743
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.599
You already know this, but the
audience doesn't know it. So of course,

744
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.039
had so many amazing interactions over these
two days, like really personally very

745
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:20.400
valuable to me to see so many
friends from back in the day. But

746
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:25.320
perhaps one of the stranger interactions is, you know, I was broken away

747
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:29.119
from the table for a second and
an older gentleman came out to me and

748
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:30.880
just randomly said, he goes,
hey, you know this is all BS,

749
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.119
don't you, And so I just
kind of laughed and I was like,

750
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.239
okay, well, you know I
might know a few people who think

751
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.440
otherwise, but you know, hope
you're enjoying yourself at the event. And

752
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:43.880
he said, no, my uncle
Ray started all this, Ray Wallace,

753
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.000
and I was like, oh,
yes, I'm familiar with who your uncle

754
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.880
is. And he said, yeah, so this is this is all nonsense.

755
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.440
He's he did all of it.
And so I was just being friendly

756
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.079
and smiled, and I said,
well, you know, I'd really love

757
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:58.320
to know how your uncle Ray was
able to plant so many sighting stories in

758
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.920
print media, like, let's say, in North Georgia back in the eighteen

759
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.519
hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. And
he smiled at me and he said,

760
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.719
well, I guess some damn fools
will believe anything. So I just smiled

761
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.440
back and said, yeah, I
guess they will take that. He was

762
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.639
friendly enough, but then I saw
he came over and talked to you.

763
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.360
So it was kind of interesting to
meet a member of the Wallace family.

764
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.039
But it was just funny that I
was afterwards. I was like, did

765
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:23.480
he could just come up to everyone
and say, hey, you know this

766
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:27.239
is all bs wright or was I
the only lucky one? You know?

767
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.360
Well, you didn't say that to
me. I spoke to him at some

768
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:31.679
length, and I just killed him
with kindness. You know, it's not

769
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.239
his fault. His uncle was a
hoaxer, you know, So I just

770
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.599
killed him with kindness and time.
And I said, hey, man,

771
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:38.920
would you mind if I took a
picture with you? He goes, I

772
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.840
don't want no picture with nobody.
It's like, all right, man,

773
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.719
that's cool too. I guess that's
nice to meet you, crotchety old man.

774
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.519
Thank you very much for coming by
the table. Appreciate that. Yeah,

775
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.920
he was funny. He was smiling
the whole time, and I was

776
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:53.880
too, So it wasn't it wasn't
like contentious. It was just a funny

777
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.840
conversation, you know. It was
like, oh that was weird. Oh

778
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.920
yeah, yeah, also cool.
It's like I'm familiar with who your uncle

779
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:04.800
was. Like, that's that's kind
of cool. Like there's some history there.

780
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.039
Yeah. I asked them a little
bit about the Stompers, and he

781
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.920
wasn't aware that where they were or
anything like that. But I've got a

782
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.559
line on those things, and of
course I sure would like to get them

783
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.079
from the museum, don't get me
wrong. But I also understand and through

784
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:20.400
various contacts, I've almost acquired them
a few times. But I mean the

785
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.000
family wants to keep them because they're
family heirlooms, and I fully respect that,

786
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:27.599
and I fully understand that, of
course, but I keep wondering,

787
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.920
man like, would they let me
put them on and run through the mud

788
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.000
and take a couple of casts,
you know, That's what I really want

789
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:35.840
to do. I mean, if
I can't have them on display at the

790
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:42.360
museum as pieces of historic you know, like just historic artifacts, I'd like

791
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.559
to at least make some casts out
of them and see what those those footprint

792
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.639
casts look like, and to compare
them to some of those early ones,

793
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.159
you know, like the fifty eight
Tipmos or the fifty nine Titmus ones,

794
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:55.039
and you know this sixty three Hodgson
casts and that sort of stuff. You

795
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.519
know, because a lot of those
early Bluff Creek things are hoaxes. They

796
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:05.239
are Ray Wallace hoaxes. So to
have footprint casts from that would be very,

797
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.760
very useful. And of course,
just a few weeks ago, I

798
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:08.800
put this on Twitter. I might
did I mention this on the show?

799
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:13.199
I'm not sure somebody brought in a
footprint cast that they had, but like

800
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.639
in their dad's or uncle's garage or
something like that, and they wanted to

801
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.519
know what I thought of it.
And it was immediately recognizable as a Ray

802
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.840
Wallace hoax. Immediately recognizable because well, the Wallace hoaxes have a very particular

803
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.239
look to them, you know.
And I told them as much and whatever,

804
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.480
and I put it on I put
it on on Twitter. I think,

805
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:36.519
yeah. And then and some bigfooter
gave me flack like I was elevating

806
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.159
hoaxers and and you know, giving
them the attention they don't deserve and stuff,

807
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.440
and I think, and I think
you got this all wrong, man.

808
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.519
I think, uh, I think
that you need to recognize this as,

809
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.360
whether we like it or not,
as part of bigfoot history and we

810
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.440
need to learn from things like that. I'm not, you know, elevating

811
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.800
hoaxing and putting them on pedestals.
That's nonsense. I think this particular person

812
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.480
took it and completely incorrect and looks
at this in a very weird way.

813
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.760
So I don't know. I thought
that was kind of weird. But whatever.

814
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.960
People, I'll never understand them.
Well, I saw that tweet,

815
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.280
and given the person who said that, I would say, this is what

816
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.719
Carl Jung would have called projection.
Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

817
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.079
Hey, well, so how did
you think your presentation went? Oh,

818
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.760
I thought it went very well.
I was I didn't really know what to

819
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:29.159
expect, because there is such a
proliferation of, to put it charitably,

820
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.920
mystical interpretations around the subject. And
you know, that's that's always been an

821
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.360
undercurrent of that, but of course
that's grown and grown and grown and become

822
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.400
more prevalent over the last really over
the last ten years, but especially I

823
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.440
would say, like maybe the last
five years. And so my presentation was

824
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.719
a bit more grounded and trying to
say that, you know, can we

825
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:55.599
look at this through the narrowest constraints
possible and construct a viable model based solely

826
00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:00.119
in what we know, you know, the established knowns of science as we

827
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.719
as we currently understand it. And
if we can build a story within that

828
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.039
narrowest set of constraints that serves to
answer all these lingering questions, then that's

829
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:15.480
more likely to be true than whatever
model, you know, we construct,

830
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:20.599
or whatever story we tell to use
other words, that constantly invokes you know,

831
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.719
the unknown, the unusual, the
extraordinary, et cetera. And so

832
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:30.079
whenever you're talking about something that's really
biologically grounded like that. The concern is

833
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.480
always like, well, if there
are mystical or metaphysical proponents, they might

834
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:37.360
take offense to that, but that
didn't seem to the case. Everybody was

835
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:42.679
very receptive, and in fact,
one gentleman who I am fairly certain holds

836
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.280
a different perspective, had reached out
to me and said that he found it

837
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:51.079
very useful to think and speak in
those terms about likelihoods and that it was

838
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.599
grounding, and so that was very
nice to hear, because again, I'm

839
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:59.320
not trying to combat other perspectives.
I'm not trying to defeat other perspectives.

840
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:00.960
I'm just trying to say I was
asked to speak, and so I'm going

841
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:06.960
to offer the perspective that I hold
at this time that I think is sufficient

842
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.639
for me to explain this particular mystery
thus far. And maybe you'll find it

843
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:14.920
useful too, and hopefully a lot
of people, do you know if I've

844
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:16.800
heard it said, And so I
try to make it my philosophy too,

845
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:22.760
Like you don't change people's perspectives by
attacking them, you change their perspectives by

846
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.559
offering them a better one. And
so my presentation was really aimed at like,

847
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.840
here is the simplest explanation, the
most parsimonious, totally rooted in the

848
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.599
known, within the narrowest set of
constraints that I can come up with,

849
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.679
and if we can make that work, then that's probably close to the truth.

850
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.639
So I'm very glad it was well
received and got a lot of positive

851
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.039
feedback thankfully. Yeah. Well,
I didn't hear any bad comments about any

852
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.880
of the presentations, and I heard
some really glowing ones of Michael Freeman's stuff,

853
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.840
and I know he redid some of
his presentation as well. And one

854
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.639
gentleman, actually Michael, Michael's a
good friend. We talk maybe once a

855
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:04.800
week or more. He was telling
me that somebody came up to him who

856
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.239
had actually worked with Peter burn in
the Bigfoot research project, and he said

857
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:13.239
that he had he had always assumed, based on what Peter said, that

858
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.360
his that Paul Freeman, Michael's father
was a hoaxer, and it was all

859
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:24.119
based on basically what Peter said.
And basically after watching the presentation and weighing

860
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.800
some of the things that Michael was
saying, he kind of walked away saying,

861
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.480
you know what now that like now
that I'm kind of out of that

862
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:34.639
sphere of influence. I don't think
that anymore. I mean, the evidence

863
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.159
that's put forward has been very would
be very very difficult to fake, especially

864
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.880
for someone with Paul's abilities, you
know, or lack thereof, perhaps,

865
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.000
you know, because Paul was a
smart guy, but he was not educated.

866
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:50.159
You know, he was not educated
in say anatomy, for example.

867
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:52.920
And he's a good tracker to get
outdoorsman and all that sort of stuff.

868
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:58.960
But but tracking a bear, tracking
a deer is not super relevant to tracking

869
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:00.559
a sasquatch and a lot of way, I mean it is, and there's

870
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:04.639
directly and don't get me wrong,
there's overlap for sure, but it's a

871
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.880
different beast all together in more ways
than one. So yeah, this gentleman

872
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.519
who had actually worked with Peter Burn
kind of walked away and said, you

873
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.320
know, I think I was just
under the spell like that he said it,

874
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:15.559
and therefore I believe it. And
I think that's where most of the

875
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:19.800
big community is, you know,
with Renee to Hindon and Peter Burn and

876
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.840
whoever else out there, you know, talking talking smack about the footprints and

877
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:28.800
how that doesn't make sense or this
doesn't make sense It really just shows how

878
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.559
they don't fully understand how the feet
interact with the ground and whatnot. So

879
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.159
I know Michael felt really good about
it, and I know a lot of

880
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.159
people had really glowing things to say
about Michael's presentation. You know, honestly,

881
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.800
it's probably because Michael worries a lot, you know, about about his

882
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.280
father's legacy and how he's going to
be perceived, because you know, with

883
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:51.320
the last name like Freeman, you
post anything on Facebook and then people attack

884
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:53.320
you for whatever it is. It
doesn't matter because you're dad's a hoax sure,

885
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.360
and all this other stuff. And
he's thinking, you know, I

886
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.360
think I would know that, man, I live with the guy. But

887
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.800
at I think that he was worried
about the reception of his stuff so much

888
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.159
that at the end, I think
it finally got to him. And Michael,

889
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:08.239
you're listening. This is just my
guess. You can correct me if

890
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.400
you're wrong, if I'm wrong.
But right before and he goes, you

891
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.159
know what, screw this, I'm
just gonna have fun with it, and

892
00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:19.119
he let go. He let go
of all that, and apparently that came

893
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:22.320
through to the audience. So I
couldn't be happier for Michael for having a

894
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.679
good time on stage, because that's
what it comes down to. That's what

895
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:29.320
I do when I talk. I
try to have a good time on stage

896
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.280
because that's what I learned from being
an elementary school teacher for so long that

897
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:37.320
if I'm not having a good time, the kids aren't having a good time.

898
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.159
And that's why I treat all my
presentations like, yeah, I try

899
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.760
to talk about serious stuff, and
I try to make it, you know,

900
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:45.400
informative and educational and all that sort
of stuff, but also I try

901
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.760
to have a good time otherwise why
am I doing this? You know?

902
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.239
And I do think my presentation went
pretty well. There's a few things I'm

903
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.159
going to change for next time because
it's a brand new presentation. I haven't

904
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:59.039
done it before, basically looking back
at twenty twenty three and talking about some

905
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:02.559
of the highlights at the museum and
the things I have going on. But

906
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.440
I want to emphasize some because after
the presentation, several people came up to

907
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:08.440
me and says, well, Cliff, you know, if you've you know,

908
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.199
you're getting all this stuff at the
spot, what about putting game cams

909
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.840
out or what about trying this or
what about trying that. Then in every

910
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.199
case, I had to go,
dude, you don't think I'm doing that.

911
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:20.280
You think I tell you everything?
Of course I don't, you know,

912
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:22.599
and they kind of you know.
Then I went away, like presentations

913
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.079
are one thing. There's certain information
that is for the public, and there's

914
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.199
certain information that I hold type to
my chest. So yeah, you know,

915
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:31.440
I'm open to all ideas, but
you know, you can you can

916
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.239
probably bet that I'm a step or
two ahead because I don't. I don't

917
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.119
share everything with the audience. Why
would I, you know, that's it's

918
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:42.960
private research stuff. But yeah,
I think it was a great event,

919
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.719
and one last thing because I know
we're kind of running out of time here.

920
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:49.079
I would never forgive myself if I
didn't mention one of the highlights of

921
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.800
the weekend. So I'm talking to
this guy and then somebody came up behind

922
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.480
them and I saw that they had, like, you know, a bill

923
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:58.199
in their head, like a dollar
bill or something in our hand, and

924
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.199
I'm thinking, oh, this is
great. Hey man, I got to

925
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.679
take care of a customer. Thanks
for blah blah blah, And I thanked

926
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:04.760
him kindly. I said, hey, what can I do for you?

927
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.239
And This guy's name is Shane,
and he goes, Hey, I have

928
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.320
a favor to ask you, and
I'm thinking, sure, what is it?

929
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.760
What can I do for you?
I'm happy to help with that whatever

930
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.599
is reasonable, you know. He
goes, I want to propose to my

931
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.159
girlfriend. And I went, oh, really, And he said he wanted

932
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:20.920
to pay me, want to give
me a hundred bucks or something. I

933
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.719
said, no, dude, I'm
going to I'm doing this for free.

934
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.880
I love love. I'm just I'm
in love with love itself. I think

935
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.559
it's the most important thing in literally
in the universe, you know. And

936
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.880
so he goes, yeah, so
this is what I want you to do.

937
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.920
You know. He gave me a
sign that he wrote and he says,

938
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.559
marry me with a question mark.
And he says, and she's a

939
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:44.000
huge fan of you. She asked
me about Bigfoot on my on our very

940
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.000
very first date. She asked,
like, do you believe in Bigfoot?

941
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:51.159
And I think it's an appropriate,
appropriate question to ask on your first date,

942
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:52.960
because like, if the answer is
no, you really need to think

943
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.519
hard about that second date, you
know what I mean. But I know

944
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.519
a lot of couples, you know
that for me personally, you know,

945
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.920
it may not work for me if
Melissa had doesn't didn't believe in Bigfoot.

946
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:07.400
So anyway, so the deal was
she was going to come around the corner

947
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:09.559
with Shane and her name was Brittany
by the way, Brittany Shane. So

948
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:14.119
she was going to come around the
corner and then I and she's apparently a

949
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:15.360
big fan of Finding Bigfoot show,
so I was going to say, hey,

950
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.079
Britney, because she why would I
know her name, you know,

951
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.519
and then I would show her the
sign and then she would probably be confused

952
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:24.440
from it. It's like why does
Cliff want to marry me? And then

953
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:29.239
she'll turn around and then Shane would
be on his knees with the ring,

954
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.760
and that's exactly what happened. So
they both came around and go hey,

955
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.920
Brittany, and she looks at me
and smiles and like and like, I

956
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:39.480
show her the sign and then then
I kind of nowed because I already have

957
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.320
a wife, you know, so
I kind of nowed, like, hey,

958
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.519
look at that dude down there on
the knee and she turns around and

959
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.400
there's photographs of it and stuff,
and of course she said yes, because

960
00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.320
how could you not say yes?
A need to getting proposed to it a

961
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:58.719
bigfoot thing, you know, and
and just happily ever after. So Brittany

962
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.440
and Shane more powered. Gee,
guys, thank you for allowing me to

963
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.719
be part of it. You know, it's again, love is the most

964
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.000
important thing, period And to help
kind of push you off the docks into

965
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:15.119
the unknown together like that is an
honor and one that I will not forget.

966
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:19.400
So thank you very much for allowing
me to part of your forever happily

967
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.840
ever after and just good all the
luck in the world to you guys.

968
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.679
So yeah, they were so great. They came up to the table and

969
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:29.440
you know, Brittany's originally from Georgia, and so we talked about some citing

970
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:31.719
reports that had occurred in Georgia because
you knew I was from there. And

971
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:36.880
you know, it's funny, it's
like, as I get older and hopefully

972
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:40.360
wiser, If not wiser, I'm
at least, you know, so much

973
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:46.480
more enveloped in and motivated by gratitude
the older I get. And so seeing

974
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:51.360
so many of my old friends people
hadn't seen it forever, it was really

975
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:54.599
overwhelming because just the conversations and like, do you remember this, you remember

976
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:58.320
that, Like, God, I'm
just so grateful to have had so many

977
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.480
cool adventures with so many people.
I got pretty teary eyed, like a

978
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:06.719
dozen, maybe two dozen times over
the weekend. But if I had seen

979
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.519
that go down, I definitely would
have cried. So thank you that I

980
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:15.880
was spared having to cry in front
of a bunch of strangers. But congratulations

981
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:17.920
to them, because that is that
is just awesome and they were really sweet

982
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.159
people, so kudos. Oh,
I got choked up. I'm not gonna

983
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.039
lie. I'm a very sensitive guy. I'm a crier in general, you

984
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:28.039
know, like little things, you
know, set me up, like movies

985
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:32.840
and just sweet kindness and heroism on
certain flavor of heroism really does that to

986
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.519
me. And this definitely kind of
choked me up for a minutes, Like

987
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.639
just to know that I'm fortunate enough
to always be part of their history.

988
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.920
It's just like what an honor?
What an honor? I agree? And

989
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:46.320
this is the point where we need
someone to go. You guys are total

990
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:51.719
wombs, dude bo, but where
are you when you need when we need

991
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.480
you. Something that we haven't mentioned
yet, which is probably one of the

992
01:00:53.480 --> 01:01:00.480
most important things that happened the entire
weekend is previous guests on Bigfoot and Beyond.

993
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:05.840
The dudes who found the snowprints over
on Bluff Creek. They were in

994
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:08.519
the neighborhood. They came to the
museum on Thursday and then afterwards wanted to

995
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.960
go for a hike. I guess, But basically, the long and short

996
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:17.119
of it is that these two of
those three dudes saw a sasquatch. That's

997
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:23.599
Doug and Todd and carry three folks
that were driving up to squatch Fest from

998
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:30.480
California. They observed a sasquatch,
you know, just a few miles from

999
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.599
my house, you know, basically, you know, up there kind of

1000
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.519
kind of up towards Lolo Pass Road
in that general direction, on the adjacent

1001
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:44.519
to Bull Run. They were on
a trail. And we'll tell everybody else

1002
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:46.360
about that in the members section because
we're kind of running out of time here.

1003
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:50.360
I hate to be a tease like
that, but you know, that's

1004
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.199
what we do here and Bigfoot it
Beyond. We tease things. So anyway,

1005
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.519
we went, You and I a
Matt of course, and Emily went

1006
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:01.719
to the site with the witnesses on
Sunday after we got home, and great

1007
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:05.880
things happen in fact, I went
back on Monday as well, and we've

1008
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:08.440
got a bunch of stuff to tell
you about that, but let's do that

1009
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:12.639
in the members section. So I
don't know other than that, Matt,

1010
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.400
what else we want to say.
I just want to say, you know,

1011
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.719
I met so many people that came
up and said I love the podcast,

1012
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:22.280
and I talked to a great mini
listeners and people had so much positive

1013
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.440
feedback and I'm so grateful for that. And you know a lot of them

1014
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:29.079
were coming up to me and saying
that, and you know, cliffs table

1015
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.840
was busier than mine, obviously,
but I would always incurage, Hey,

1016
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.800
go go tell Cliff, you know, like cause I'm just the producer and

1017
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.679
occasionally talk. But I was like, oh, you got to tell Cliff

1018
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:39.719
that you know that you guys are
listening to it, and so I know

1019
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:43.880
Bobo will listen to this episode.
But man, you know, it's we

1020
01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:45.719
put in so much time, in
so many hours on this, Like you

1021
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:50.280
know, I work on it every
single day. We do this every week

1022
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.039
and it's been almost five years,
which is crazy. It doesn't feel like

1023
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:55.159
it. But every time I upload
an episode, I'm like, oh,

1024
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.760
wow, this is episode like number
two hundred and fifty something or whatever,

1025
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:05.079
and plus the however many sixty bonus
episodes, and so you just sort of

1026
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:10.320
get in that streamlined repetition of the
production cycle. And of course I do

1027
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:14.599
see a lot of very nice things
online, but I kind of avoid social

1028
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.239
media. But when someone's standing right
in front of you and they're smiling from

1029
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:20.679
ear to ear telling you how much
they love it, how much they enjoy

1030
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:24.000
listening like it means the world to
me. I'm just so grateful for every

1031
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:28.639
one of you who express that,
and so thank you listeners, very very

1032
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:31.840
much. You're the sweetest people.
And I know that Cliff and Bobo none

1033
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:37.079
of us could do it without you, So no, absolutely not. And

1034
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.159
it's a good reminder because man,
it is not easy to do this podcast.

1035
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.039
You think, like, oh,
I do just talk to your friends

1036
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.360
once a week. It's not easy
at all. Man. We're trying to

1037
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:47.400
book guests that we think are interesting, we're trying to fend off people that

1038
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:52.679
aren't. We're I mean, you've
heard me kind of complain before in a

1039
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:55.159
sort of way. It's not easy
to wrangle everyone's schedules. I mean,

1040
01:03:55.280 --> 01:04:00.239
I'm extraordinarily busy. Matt is a
course that are back and call. But

1041
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.320
even he's got a life. He's
got a wife, he goes to the

1042
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:06.440
woods, he has family and stuff, and Bobo's just Bobo and everything that

1043
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:12.239
entails. It's not easy to get
everybody together even once a week to do

1044
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.400
this, let alone trying to coordinate
with guests and when they're available, and

1045
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:17.440
I just kind of forget. I
mean, I've said it before in the

1046
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:23.440
podcast. I forget that there are
even people listening. I know that's weird,

1047
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:27.199
but it's true because I'm just It's
like when you're on TV. You

1048
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:29.800
don't think about the people who are
going to watch the finished product when you're

1049
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:31.519
filming it. You're just doing what
you do. And so once a week,

1050
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.199
I sit in front of a microphone
and talk to Bobo and Matt.

1051
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:36.679
And that's what I do, and
that's my job. It's one of my

1052
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:42.239
three jobs that I do every single
week. And you know, I forget

1053
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.280
sometimes. So when I get out
to these events and I see people were

1054
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.199
either wearing the Bigfoot and Beyond shirts
or they come up and they say,

1055
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.079
I had to listen to you all
the time. I'm on my third listen

1056
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:56.199
through of all the episodes, and
it's like, holy smokes, I forget

1057
01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:59.039
that. What I mean, it's
weird, but I forget that what I

1058
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:03.519
do matters at all to anybody.
And it's a good reminder because it's not

1059
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.639
easy to do this, and there's
been lots of times I just want to

1060
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:11.840
pull my own eyes out because of
the podcast. But to know that it

1061
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.920
matters to people, it does make
a difference, and it does help me

1062
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.880
keep going instead of like choking on
my own tongue not doing this any longer.

1063
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:25.519
So anyway, I really do appreciate
that, and I know if Bubbo

1064
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:28.760
was here, he would say something
very similar, but probably in a slightly

1065
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:33.280
more rough manner. Thanks dude.
All right, Well, with that,

1066
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.599
we still have some talking to do. Man, why don't we shut this

1067
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:42.880
down and we can go talk about
the sighting report and then the follow up

1068
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.639
and the evidence that has been gained
since then. Absolutely, And so folks,

1069
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.039
if you're not already a member,
there's a link in the show notes,

1070
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.840
as there is in every single episode. It's five dollars a month.

1071
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:56.119
You get an extra episode every week. We put those out on Thursdays.

1072
01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:00.719
People really love it. We post
a lot of fun stuff to Patreon's community

1073
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.760
chat features so you can talk with
the other members. There's always an ongoing

1074
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:09.119
conversation about various Sasquatch related things,
so it's a lot of fun for just

1075
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:13.079
five bucks a month. And there
you go. So I guess if I

1076
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:20.440
were Bobo, I always say,
keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to

1077
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:25.199
this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what you heard,

1078
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:29.840
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1079
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:33.559
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1080
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:39.760
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1081
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:45.840
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