1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,120 We're back with another edition of The Federalist for Radio Hour. I'm Emily Drishenski, 2 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,480 culture editor here at The Federalist. As always, you can email the 3 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,960 show at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,399 LST. Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts into the premium version 5 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,079 of our website as well. Today we're joined once again by the one and 6 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:38,479 only Brian Kilmead, who is out with a new book. It's called Teddy 7 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:43,600 and Booker t how two American icons blazed a path for racial equality. It 8 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:46,759 is out November seventh. You can go to the website for information on live 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,759 signings and all that good stuff. Brian, thanks for joining us, Emily, 10 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:53,640 thanks to having me on. I appreciate it. I'm excited to dive 11 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:57,439 into this book. I wanted to start though, just by asking you journalists 12 00:00:57,439 --> 00:00:59,880 to journalist, what it's been like in the last couple of weeks. We're 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,040 this towards the end of October. October twenty third, in the midst of 14 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:07,640 like the craziest news cycle ever, How on earth have you has her team 15 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,959 at Fox been keeping on top of everything? Well, I mean, I 16 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,879 got the Saturday show too, with Saturday's at eight eastern, nine eastern, 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,239 excuse me, and that's it just never stops. Even on Sunday, I 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,560 found myself probably working on it for five hours, just talking to people, 19 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:26,959 trying to stay on top of things and try to get a perspective on what 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,480 really is going on. So there's so many elements to what's going on. 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,560 First off, Israel was attacked, the horrific way in which they were attacked 22 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:38,239 and the organized fashion which AMAS pulled it off, that's a story. The 23 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:44,079 response with the air strikes, that's a story. The response to the world 24 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,719 community saying cease fire, that to me is a crazy story. The fact 25 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:52,400 that we won't point out that Iran's behind all of this, and the fact 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,920 that China and Russia might be pulled to the ultimate marrionette strings, I think 27 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,680 is extremely important. And then to see the pro tests not only one hundred 28 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,480 thousand in the UK, but around the world and around our country on our 29 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,080 college campus is for drum roll, please, Hamas and the Palestinians caught me 30 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:15,879 totally by surprise. And you know, something that you work in the space 31 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,639 a lot is historical illiteracy and We've talked before about the importance of writing the 32 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,120 books that you do write and telling the stories that you tell. Is there 33 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,759 an element of that when you look around the country in the last few weeks 34 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:30,680 and just say, do people actually know the history or are they just kind 35 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,719 of spouting off here? But if they didn't know anything about history, they'd 36 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:40,000 say, what's a Palestinian? Or where is Israel? That's ignorance to me. 37 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:45,159 For some reason, they've been going to school on anti Americanism, which 38 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:49,599 including anti American allies, and I don't know where they get this from. 39 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:53,479 I mean, are the same kids that don't want to put out the garbage 40 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,319 or go outside and play in the street despite the urgings, are the same 41 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,919 ones who will go ahead and spend an afternoon marching against people who just massacred 42 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,639 twelve hundred others. So where does this come from? I mean, if 43 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,479 you want to come back and talk about the palest Indians eating a homeland, 44 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:15,960 that's very nineteen nineties. Since since they allow Hamas to take them over, 45 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,240 they voted them in, allow them to be the most popular group around, 46 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,240 allow them still to represent them most to support the rocket attacks on Israel despite 47 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,879 eighteen thousand working on a daily basis. I just don't know where it comes 48 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:36,080 from. Are you pro terrorists? Now? I didn't think there'd ever be. 49 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,319 There was no rallies in the street for al Qaeda or ISIS, So 50 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,960 I just didn't think this was to be an element that we'd have to deal 51 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,280 with. And for you to say, well, historically they belong to a 52 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,520 homeland that has nothing to do with it, and it's not true. And 53 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:53,759 now you have a situation where it's so obvious that the administration's policies of approaching 54 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:59,680 a run again has blown up in their face again and is the cause of 55 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:05,039 all again, and they won't say it is flat out maddening. You know, 56 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,840 the like I say, of Teddy Roosevelt, looms large over American American 57 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:13,080 foreign policy. In this book, you touched a little bit actually on Spanish 58 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,839 American war and Cuba, but focus mostly on Teddy Roosevelt's domestic policy. I 59 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,560 wanted to start just by asking if you could tell us a little bit about 60 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,720 this point. You make that so interesting. You refer to Teddy Roosevelt and 61 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,439 Booker T. Washington is quote the heirs to Abraham Lincoln. And actually I 62 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:30,959 think the last time we talked on the show, you had your book out 63 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,040 on Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass, and you say that they're airs of the 64 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,360 Lincoln Douglas relationship as well, which I or their partnership, which I thought 65 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:44,680 was really really interesting. Can you tell us more about that point. Yeah, 66 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,839 I mean, thanks to the question. And here's the thing. People 67 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:47,800 say, well, you don't want to talk about race, it's going to 68 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,959 be controversial. Well talk about American history. I am not somebody that goes 69 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,279 over America did everything right all the time, And how dare you bring up 70 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:00,160 anything negative? That's not me? And that's not any body that clearly wants 71 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,160 to preserve our history and win the war in history. Don't rewrite it like 72 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:09,639 sixteen nineteen project did, supported by the New York Times, inaccurately. What 73 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,879 I wanted to do was talk about along the way slavery was happening around the 74 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,199 world, it came to our continent with the formation of an ancient as wrong 75 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,879 as they knew it was from Washington to Jefferson. They didn't know how to 76 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:25,920 get rid of it, and they didn't, and then we have a civil 77 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:30,439 war, and then out of the Civil War, we lose this hero called 78 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,000 Abraham Lincoln who emerged out of nowhere. Nobody were to think he was going 79 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:38,319 to amount to anything. An impactful lawyer would have been a lot, let 80 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:42,920 alone the first Republican president who didn't have the majority, who had to preside 81 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:46,160 over a fractured country and brought it back together. And I said what I 82 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:50,040 said, what I still believe is nobody did more damage to our country, 83 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:56,279 even when it comes to Pearl Harbor and nine to eleven, than John Wilkes 84 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,680 Booth because if he was able to survive the eighteen sixty we wouldn't the need 85 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,560 of the nineteen sixties, but we had him. Douglas provides with Grant and 86 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,000 starts trying to heal some of the rifts that took place because of the compromise 87 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,759 of eighteen seventy seven that said, hey, if you let Garfield win, 88 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,120 because he was in a we were in a hung election and Sam Tilden, 89 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,079 the governor of New York, and Garfield were in basically a deadlock. And 90 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,199 the deal they caught was the South said, yeah, we'll give you Garfield, 91 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:30,240 but you just get the Union troops out of the South so we can 92 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:34,199 run this thing like we wanted to. And for many people that meant going 93 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,879 back to separate but equal, the gmcrow laws and the different water fountains and 94 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,439 where you sit on the bus, and it just caused the division among races 95 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,279 in many sections of the South. So who would emerge to help bring us 96 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,279 forward? Did it just happen? No? A guy like Booker T. 97 00:06:53,439 --> 00:06:58,480 Washington, who remembers being a slave until he was nine, hearing Union troops 98 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:01,519 say come to the big House and say read something which he thinks in retrospect 99 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,240 was the Emancipation Proclamation, says you're free. Remembers packing up with his mom 100 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:11,000 in a wagon and going to West Virginia and working in the salt mines, 101 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,439 where all he wanted to do was learn to read and write. And he 102 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:17,399 finally would get that wish through a series of circumstantial things in personal will. 103 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:21,319 And then Teddy Roosevelt. He was born rich. I got it. His 104 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:26,399 family was affluent. I understand it. But he wasn't supposed to survive childhood. 105 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:29,800 He couldn't even go to public school. His asthmen breathing was so bad 106 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,160 most people didn't think he'd last weighed about ninety pounds until he was fourteen years 107 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:38,360 old, and then gradually he built up his body like he built up his 108 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,240 mind. And even though his mom was from the South, his dad was 109 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:46,040 from the Union, he understood that America had to come together some things he 110 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,360 said, just like Lincoln said that you'd go out man, that's racist. 111 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:53,279 Absolutely, he was a man of his times. But for the most part 112 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:56,319 he said, how do I make things better? And who is this? 113 00:07:56,399 --> 00:08:00,560 Booker? T? Washington? And as they leaned on each others as its 114 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,160 you watch two people gain power and prestige while working together and making America a 115 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:09,240 better place along the way. And I just thought, instead of keep talking 116 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,000 about the George Floyd's and the Malcolm X's and a lot of people talk about 117 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,199 the vision, what about the people that work so hard to get us where 118 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,079 we are? And that's what I thought. I'd bring out, no names, 119 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:22,639 but how they combined to help America become a better place. You make 120 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:26,120 an important point, and it's one that you make in the Lincoln book as 121 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 well, about how neither Lincoln nor Teddy Roosevelt are perfect. They don't have 122 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:33,240 perfect records when it comes to sort of striving towards a more perfect union. 123 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:37,120 On the question of race. Tell us a little bit about how Teddy Roosevelt 124 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:41,720 sort of grew throughout his own life on these questions. I mean he never 125 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,120 was around I mean in the North, you weren't around slavery. You know, 126 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,120 there was I remember even people tell me in the you know who grew 127 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:50,240 up in the sixty being their eighties now and say, you know, we 128 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:54,519 never saw the colored water fountains, we never saw the colored bathrooms. You 129 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,480 know, there was Negro League baseball. But besides that, we saw gradual 130 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:03,679 coming together. And the South there was a different experience, and basically the 131 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,200 word was in the South, you know, you live your life out live 132 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:09,000 ours. We'll go to our schools. You go to your schools. And 133 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:13,240 they was a belief among a lot of white not all that the blacks were 134 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,279 inferior. Why well, that's how they were brought up. Why was that 135 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,480 because African Americans weren't educated, you weren't allowed to. But as the education 136 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,320 took root and more and more came up through the system, people's stereotypes just 137 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:28,639 fell fell by the wayside. And probably the biggest example of someone one of 138 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:35,080 our founding fathers is Benjamin Franklin Benjamin Franklin had slaves, and then little by 139 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,240 little, as he grew older and traveled around the world and became the wisest 140 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:41,840 man on the planet maybe ever, he realized there's no difference. It's just 141 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:45,960 a matter of education, and he became the ultimate abolitionists. You can grow 142 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:50,320 in your life. There were beliefs that you had in your twenties that you 143 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:52,720 do not believe anymore that you're in your fifties and sixties. It doesn't make 144 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:58,799 you a bad person. We continue to grow. So would you know, 145 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:01,720 hearing his mom talk about the South, when he went down to the South, 146 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:05,279 he would go down and see people that deserve respect. He would see 147 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:11,559 a guy like Booker T. Washington being worshiped by Andrew Carnegie and JP Morgan 148 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:15,519 and Rockefeller, and said, who is this guy? And they writes a 149 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,039 book up from slavery and it changes perception because this is one of the most 150 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,720 remarkable stories I ever read. I got to meet this guy and they meet 151 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,080 in his office in Manhattan. He's like, yeah, I'm a vice president 152 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,639 now, but you know, when I become president, you know, I 153 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:31,080 would love to meet with you and go see this Tuskegee university that you founded. 154 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,759 Started with thirty. Now you got thousands of people there. And when 155 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,960 they get to know each other, he becomes a member of the Tuskegee Board. 156 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,240 Now, if you asked him, he said, well, white's are 157 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,799 smarter than blacks, but not him. In Booker T. Washington, he 158 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,440 though, was the smart one of the smartest men he ever met. He 159 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,879 says he was a credit to the human race, not his race. So 160 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,080 did he say some things earlier that even his ren and I interview for this 161 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,080 book. We have a special coming out in November fifth, and it'll be 162 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,000 on Fox Nation. If you miss one, it airs live or if the 163 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,840 war prevents it from being aired. But tweet Roosevelt his great grandson who knew 164 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,840 and played at Sagamore Hill when his wife was still alive. Tayo Roosevelt's wife 165 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:13,559 was still alive. So yeah, there's some things that you would curl your 166 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,799 hair if you read it. But for the most part, this guy went 167 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,440 to bat and said it to Booker T. Washington. Get me some judges 168 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,080 they're not don't get the best, that don't get the best because of cold 169 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,200 with their skin. Just get me the best postmaster was a prestigious position right 170 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,240 there. People who control the docks, get me somebody that we can trust. 171 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,200 And then he became an advisor. So if this guy was a racist, 172 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,799 they thought that races were in f one was superior than the next. 173 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:45,200 Why was he colln on Booker t Washington to be his eyes and ears on 174 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,200 the ground. And then he had that controversial dinner which shouldn't have been controversial. 175 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,759 Were invited him to the White House, and he invites him to the 176 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:54,960 White House step dinner with his family, and we think, so what Back 177 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,399 then it was a big deal because they said, why now you're elevating blacks 178 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:03,240 and white state quote status, which the North was fine with but the South 179 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:07,519 wasn't. So that pushed everything forward. It brought everything out. If you're 180 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,759 a racist, we heard from you. If you weren't, we heard from 181 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:13,919 you too, And it brought everything forward. So you know, you'll see 182 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,720 him say things in his writings that maybe he thought that whites were better than 183 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,600 the blacks early on in his career. He wasn't saying that at the end. 184 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,480 And they became as good as friends as you can imagine. And I 185 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,279 just don't know how if you see a guy like Boger T. Washington, 186 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,559 who makes his gets himself by fear force here force a college education at Hampton. 187 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,600 And then when General Armstrong, who ran Hampton University or College, was 188 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:46,039 asked, we need a recommendation. We're going to start a college in Alabama. 189 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,759 Who do you suggest? The need a white guy? And he goes, 190 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:48,840 now, I got a black guy. He's twenty four years old. 191 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,240 His name is Burger T. Washington. They said no thanks, He goes, 192 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:54,440 no, No, he's the guys, the only one I recommend. 193 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,759 He goes, all right, send him. When he shows up, it's 194 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:01,000 a dilapidated shed. He's got to get students, he's to get a curriculum. 195 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,279 He's got to get teachers in three weeks. And he does it, 196 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:07,559 and there's a leak in the roof, and some students would hold an umbrella 197 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,720 over his head. And he starts with twenty two students and he ends up 198 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:16,559 with thousands on a scrolling campus. And all those students wouldn't just learn to 199 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,360 read and write, they learn a trade. Why, he said, because 200 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,720 some people aren't willing to hire you. So you have to prove invaluable and 201 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:28,279 be your own craftsman. Whether it's agriculture, whether it's blacksmith, everybody will 202 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,519 learn a school, skill and a trade. It sounds almost like Mike Rowe 203 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,559 you know, learn the trade. Don't tell me how smart you are, 204 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,879 tell me what you can do with your hands. He saw that, and 205 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,879 they built a whole university themselves. It was okay, when you're done, 206 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:45,360 we need you to build another building. When you're done, I need you 207 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:48,799 out in the fields growing food because we need to sell that food. And 208 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:50,480 I'm tired of buying bricks. We're going to buy a kill and make our 209 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,120 own bricks. They'll be the best bricks around and they work. And then 210 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:58,399 little by little people would say, my pre preconceptions about African Americans has totally 211 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:05,080 changed because I saw how productive they were at Tuskegee, and hundreds of years 212 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,120 of conditions just fell by the wayside. And then people said, how can 213 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:11,799 I help? And you had this guy who was born a slave, had 214 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,080 the most influential people in the world helping him. And instead of just saying 215 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,320 I want the money, he said, I just want to bake this school 216 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,639 bigger and maybe and launch other HBCUs. 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Can you tell 241 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,759 us Moore Brian about how they felt about each other's You sort of like what 242 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:26,840 their mutual respect looked like. Yeah, I'll give you a great story. 243 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:33,960 So after they had dinner together with his family and all the controversials sprung up, 244 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,080 and they said to us, Alves, we got to keep our friendship 245 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:38,240 under wraps. Now, if you're gonna come over, it's probably going to 246 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,159 be mid morning or late afternoon, no meals. That's just the reality of 247 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,559 America at the time, where some portions of America. They went to Harvard, 248 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,519 they both were being honored. They sat separately, even though they were 249 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:53,639 good friends. So one day, Boogertie Washington's waiting for a train and a 250 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,240 man walks up to you and said, you're the greatest. You're a white 251 00:16:56,279 --> 00:17:00,799 guy walks up to and because you are a great man, maybe America's greatest 252 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,720 man. And he goes, no, No, that's our president, Teddy 253 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,079 Roosevelt. He's the greatest man. He goes, I used to think so 254 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,799 until he fight you out for dinner and he said, what, so, 255 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,400 do you understand what he's saying. I used to think he was great until 256 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,319 he invited you over for dinner and he retold this story. He said, 257 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,519 that's what I realized. Now, I think he's a scoundrel. He finished 258 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:26,519 up with That's when he realized, I have to let certain sleeping dogs lie. 259 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:32,359 So if the Johnsons were racists and the Doyles weren't, I don't hate 260 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,960 the Johnsons. I'll deal with the Doyles and maybe well they'll see the way 261 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,359 we work together. That'll change their minds. That was his attitude. Those 262 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:44,160 speeches were about, don't hate, don't if you hate, you give in 263 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,160 to them, don't let a man or a woman hurt your self esteem. 264 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,920 Don't that that's still your choice. And all these things that make you better 265 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,319 people today they were forced to deal with on a regular basis back then, 266 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,640 and it's great lessons for life. And he told Teddy about the story. 267 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,440 He's like, you know, that's who we're dealing That man was honestly didn't 268 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:11,319 know he was insulting Booker T. Washington by putting down Teddy Roosevelt. And 269 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:18,559 that's the mindset. And you had them work together. And Minnie Cox famously 270 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:22,440 a postmaster, a black woman in charge of a proceder's position. There were 271 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,480 protests against him, and in the end she ended up standing by her and 272 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,480 put up with the protests and made her take the position she was willing to 273 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,400 give up. William Cummings to a very similar position. Black man living in 274 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,839 the South. He's like, this is my pick and I'm not budgeting, 275 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,279 and that's it. There's other things that when the Buffalo Soldier controversial happened. 276 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:45,200 Controversial happened, and these Great Soldiers that he fought with in San Juan Hill 277 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:51,119 in Cuba and the Spanish American War. They got in trouble. He basically 278 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,240 court martialed them all. He said, because if one did something wrong, 279 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:56,839 they all should pay the price. And Booker T. I said, don't 280 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,920 do that. He did it anyway doors and he says, I can't because 281 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,920 if you lose, I will lose influence in the White House. And my 282 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,920 goal is to further the cause of Tuskegee. And if I'm on the outside 283 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,759 because of her personal choice, it doesn't help Tuskegee. And Roosevelt said, 284 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:18,519 okay, I understand. So they had they used each other, but they 285 00:19:18,599 --> 00:19:23,240 respected each other, but they both understood their cause. You know, the 286 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,599 book Booker T. Washington is such an interesting figure in the way that he's 287 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:33,759 been, I guess perceived over the last one hundred years. There's controversy now 288 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,119 among there's this debate famously that's raised about Booker T. Washington versus W. 289 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:42,279 B. Du Boy. What can you say, Brian about how the legacy 290 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,759 of Booker T. Washington has maybe shifted as the American left has embraced more 291 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:55,359 and more radicalism. And you know, Ben Chavis Ben Jealous rather is on 292 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,160 the back of this book, and he's was head of the NAACP, and 293 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,119 he's obviously wv the Boys is guy. And he said, you know, 294 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,839 boogety Watch was controversial why because he dealt with the situation at hand and tried 295 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,480 to make it better rather than point out everything that was wrong and make a 296 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:15,000 stand. He was less activists, more action. He said, let me 297 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,400 start a school in an area and do as much as I can in the 298 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,839 era in which I'm born. Wv DE Boys talked about inequality and treatment and 299 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,759 where you sit and with this can't stand and Boogeti Watch was too accommodating. 300 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,920 Well, Boogetysh says, no, I got to make improvements in people's lives. 301 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,720 I can't ask for perfect and sacrifice the present. And people say, 302 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,160 well no. Then he gave in. He gave in to a lot of 303 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,400 the biases and go, okay, let's not bother each other. Well, 304 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:45,680 we can live separately. You can live your lives, you can do our 305 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,240 lives. Let's all agree. We're American. And for wbb D Boys that 306 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:53,680 was a terrible message. No, no demand equality everywhere. Now I understand 307 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,039 where he's coming from. When you see inequity, you see people don't get 308 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,839 hired or don't get picked up cab because of the color of their skin, 309 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:07,359 or you feel that police, you know, if video shows it, police 310 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,559 are being inequitable to you because they're being acting right in a racist way. 311 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:12,359 He'd wanted to make a major stand. There were linkings going on in the 312 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,839 South, and they said, you know, why didn't he make a bigger 313 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,440 deal of it. Why because if he started standing up for every linching in 314 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,799 the South, that would hurt Tuskegee and their ability to educate African Americans by 315 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:29,599 the thousands every year and gradually change this country. What he would do is 316 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,039 under the wire, he would provide money and legal fees and lawyers for blacks 317 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:38,680 that got themselves in trouble in situations that they didn't do anything wrong, interracial 318 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:45,079 relationships or things to that nature. And he saw the inequity in it, 319 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,319 but he said, in the big picture, what's going to help my people 320 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,839 more in this country? More? And when WB the boy says, I'm 321 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:57,279 going to protest every wrong. They both had merits, but they didn't really 322 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:03,119 coexist. He kind of resented Booker T. Washington's fame and prestige and the 323 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,440 crowd in which he walked. You know, he go to the North and 324 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:11,880 he basically would be knocking on doors. A lot of stores slammed in his 325 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,279 face. Others would say, come on in, what do you need. 326 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,039 I need some money to finance my school? What is your school about? 327 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:21,160 Here it is, I will support you. Here's one hundred dollars. And 328 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,680 then when people like William Carnegie or the Rockefellers heard about it, they were 329 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,119 in awe of it. They saw it in action, and they supplied it. 330 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,279 And he felt as though I would lose my influence and that financing if 331 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,680 I stood up for every wrong. So it's a debate still going on. 332 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,920 I'm not saying WB. Du Boys doesn't have a merit, but what did 333 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:48,119 he do? He gave speeches, he formed an organization, and he died 334 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,200 in Africa, living a life to seventy something years old. And he didn't 335 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,079 form schools, He didn't educate people, he didn't set up a legacy like 336 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,519 Booker T. Washington. It's still paying off today. He didn't look at 337 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:03,000 things bigger than himself, than my view, And if you want to know 338 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:10,359 old Booker T. Washington created. Just walk onto campus at Tuskegee and you'll 339 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,359 know the question of patriotism, that's another one that you deal with. We've 340 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:21,720 talked before about the amazing speech that Frederick Douglas gave at the dedication of the 341 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:26,279 park Lincoln Park here on Capitol Hill. Amazing speech and you're write about it. 342 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,359 I also want to ask that, in the context of Booker T. 343 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:33,359 Washington and Teddy Roosevelt may factor into this as well, how did he look 344 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,200 at this country that had, you know, put him in a less than 345 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,880 equal position with his white peers as white compatriots when he was born. How 346 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,480 did Booker T. Washington perceive the country and how did Teddy Roosevelt how did 347 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:52,160 they muster that sense of patriotism. I mean, Frederick Tugla's pointed out in 348 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,880 that speech that Lincoln was a great man, but you know, he was 349 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,559 a white man's president. And he also pointed out how much you learned from 350 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:02,559 Lincoln saying that I was impatient. I wanted everything right away, and in 351 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,640 the end Lincoln was right. He had to wait for the emancipatient practulation, 352 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,839 wait to let African Americans fight for their freedom, wait to put them in 353 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:15,480 the army, even though Frederick Douglas woul ultimately be his number one recruiter and 354 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,160 put his two sons in the army. So he respected where Lincoln was coming 355 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,839 from, but still impatient for what Lincoln wasn't doing because he's saw so much 356 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,000 promise in him. And the same thing, Booker T. Washington loved his 357 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,599 country, and he traveled around and one thing, and I'll just paraphrase it, 358 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,000 he said, I thought African Americans had more rights and a little bit 359 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,640 more equality overseas, but they were happy in their position. What African Americans 360 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:44,400 maybe had less rights and more and didn't have the power, but they would. 361 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,200 They were aspiring, they rise up. The aspirations were hot, like 362 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,279 were great. But it was almost as if he was looking at the UK 363 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:59,200 and looking at what we now know is Germany and France and saying, it's 364 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,440 almost a castle. They're not moving in America. There's there's no there's no 365 00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:08,480 saying where they where you will stop. And he said, for example, 366 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,319 look at me and look at others. By the way. The other thing 367 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,119 he was doing was educating black women, and that was also and gave them 368 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:21,119 power and prestige. And in fact his wives he lost two passed away. 369 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:26,880 They all had huge roles in the university and fundraising and great teachers, sot 370 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,400 a lot of equality there. He saw the potential in America was much greater. 371 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,519 He just saw that we had further the go, but once you got 372 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,480 there, there was much further to rise. Where he felt in Europe they 373 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:41,559 might have started ahead, but they don't move anywhere in society. He saw 374 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:45,079 that early. That's also what makes us great is there's no there's no cap 375 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,920 on how much how successful you can be. However you gauge that success. 376 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,119 It's amazing that there's a parallel now between Booker two Washington and Teddy Roosevelt in 377 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:02,000 this modern concept or this modern context where Teddy Roosevelt himself has been the subject 378 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:06,519 of I guess you could call cancelation attempts. He's heavily criticized right now by 379 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:11,599 the standards of twenty twenty three. Is that also something that speaks to how 380 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:18,279 we're losing our ability to gauge the value, the patriotism, the heroism historical 381 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,039 figures. Brian, Yeah, I mean to that whole presentism. I'm going 382 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,880 to judge every historical figure by my values today as if people are going to 383 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,519 be judging us the same way. I hope that the worst is over. 384 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,400 But they boxed up Teddy Roosevelt's statue that was in front of Museum of Natural 385 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,480 History which his family founded, which contains a lot of the artifacts that he 386 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:45,880 found and shot. You know, he's big into he's big into taxidermy and 387 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:53,200 shooting these I guess lions and tigers and elephants and everything. So he was 388 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,359 biging. They're all over his house too, And they box it up. 389 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,599 Why because it shows him on a horse, American Indian on his right and 390 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,160 an African American on his left. They said, well, it looks like 391 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,319 he's above them. He's on a horse. But they packed it up and 392 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,200 send it out to North Dakota where he's going to be having the first Tay 393 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,279 Roosevelt Library. And I've talked to them. They are really pumped up about 394 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,000 this library. It's a few years away, but they've gotten that statue in 395 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:22,119 others and Doug Brinkley is part of it. Net o'keef, he's a former 396 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,160 network executive. They're going to bring him back. And what I think is 397 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,920 Tay Roosevelt's going to come back strong because he's a mix. He was taken 398 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,759 down corporations because they thought he had too much power. That should make democrats 399 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:38,000 happy. He also would be a big time environmentalist and saved so much federal 400 00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:42,400 and preserve so much federal land. That'll make environmentalists happy. He's also a 401 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,440 capitalist. He was a self made man that said you got to pull you 402 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:49,319 rope, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and overcome everything else do. You 403 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,160 got to do it and be tough. He's also a law and order guy 404 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,240 who was a former police chief who walked around and cracked down on illegal immigration 405 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:02,480 and advantage and migrants were being taken a job and made sure cops got back 406 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,319 on the beat and brought discipline to it. And then he was a war 407 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:11,000 fighter or also something maybe traditionally military is more Republican. So it's really hard 408 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:18,519 to eliminate a guy that blends so many lines in my view. The Watchdout 409 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,480 on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack the connection 410 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,160 between politics and the economy and how it affects your wallet. The economy isn't 411 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,160 growing, it's leeching. October Jobs report is out and it's not good. 412 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,960 The US add at one hundred and fifty thousand jobs, however, a third 413 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,400 of them are government jobs. After the FED has paused interest rate hikes. 414 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:40,799 Yet again, something has to give. Whether it's happening in DC or down 415 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,480 on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. Be informed. Check out the 416 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,000 Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever 417 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:52,039 you get your podcasts. Before I let you run, Ran, I want 418 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,559 to ask if there's anything as you were researching and writing this book that you 419 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,920 learned about either Teddy Roosevelt Brooker, T. Washington or both of them that's 420 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,680 surprised you. Was there something new that really sticks in your mind as you 421 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,519 were putting this book together? Yeah? I mean Booker T. Washington. 422 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,200 I was studying this before Frederick Douglas. I felt, let me just go 423 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,640 right back and get that in order. And I read both what I always 424 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,799 started off as both their biographies. I want to know what they wrote and 425 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,160 they said about themselves. You know, Frederick Douglas did. I kept up 426 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,799 dating his biography. Booker T. Washington did the same thing. But I 427 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,000 read up from slavery and I said, if half of this this is the 428 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,200 best example. You know, we think about Norman Vincent Peale, and we 429 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,440 think about Napoleon Hill thinking grow rich, Norman Vince Hill Peel the power positive 430 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,880 thinking. We think of Anthony Robbins in personal power. And you talk about 431 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:44,279 envisioning success and saying you and believing in yourself and all those affirmations and then 432 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:47,799 forming up a strategy and deciding what your short term and long term goals are. 433 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,519 There there's a science to success, and if you set yourself on a 434 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,720 path to doing it, who's ever listening? You can get there? You 435 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,119 know, whether it's to be the best teacher, a college professor, write 436 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,559 your own book, have a home movie, be a great actor, be 437 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,880 a fa fantastic farmer, own your own form, whatever it is you want, 438 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,880 your own retail store. How are you going to get there? Who's 439 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,960 been doing it to successfully? Eccludes all of this Booker T. Washington was 440 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,599 doing before he could read. He was envisioning being able to read. He 441 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,920 was looking at letters on a sack that he thought was the first letter to 442 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,599 his name and thinking of himself, what does that? What is the word 443 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,359 be? What does B mean? You know, how do I learn this? 444 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,039 He was envisioning things that he wanted to happen, and they would materialize. 445 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,279 And I'll give you an example. Booker T. Washington hated work in 446 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:34,920 the salt mines. He was claustrophobic, was horrible work. He wanted to 447 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,720 be in school. But his dad, his stepdad, said, you know 448 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,720 you got to work. You and your brother have to work with me. 449 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,519 So they work in the Dean couldn't go to school. One he's just envisioning, 450 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:47,759 I gotta go to school. I gotta go to school. One day, 451 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:49,079 walking back, he sees two of his friends and they're complaining. He 452 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,880 goes, where you coming from? Because I just quit my job. This 453 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,240 woman's impossible. What do you mean? She wants us to work as like 454 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,200 a housekeeper, upkeep and do everything around her house and take care of everything. 455 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,039 And I can't do it. Whatever I did was wrong, he said 456 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:04,839 himself. Does she looking for somebody? Yeah? So he walks in. 457 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,119 He's a mess. She looks at him, says, I love that job. 458 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:12,920 Goes okay. She walks in. He seems really stern. He quickly 459 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,559 realizes when he takes the job gets permission to quit that he's not to stir. 460 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,680 She just wants things done right. She teaches him how to dress, 461 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:27,000 hygiene, how to hold himself, and then teaches him to read letters first, 462 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,240 and little by little tasks how to do things. And he is such 463 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,319 a sponge because he wanted to be something with his life. Now they talk 464 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,119 about when you want to be successful in life, you have to envision it. 465 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,119 You got to close your eyes and think about it, whether it's in 466 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:41,720 the morning or right before you go to bed, in the middle of the 467 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,720 day, wherever it is. That's what this guy did. He envisioned it, 468 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,799 and then he said, I'd love to go to college. He overhears 469 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,079 one day some of the guys he used to work in the salt mines talking 470 00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:55,240 about if you get to Hampton College, they will let you in. They'll 471 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:56,359 find a way to get you in if you show you want to learn and 472 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:01,240 have basic education. So he's like college, what's that? He researches it, 473 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,640 hops on a wagon and heads that direction, runs out of money, 474 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:09,160 works on a yard. Such a good worker because of Missus Ruffner that brought 475 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,920 him, taught him how to do everything right, correctly and with integrity. 476 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:15,440 And they wanted to keep me. He's like, no, I got to 477 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,119 move on, goes to Hampton College, shows up, He's a mess, 478 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,240 keeps on showing up. Then finally they said, if you want to get 479 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,000 into that school, if you want to get into this school, why don't 480 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:29,599 you clean this classroom? And guess who knows how to clean a classroom? 481 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,920 To the point where he comes back and knows I cleaned it. He goes, 482 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,960 who helped you? Because nobody goes, I want to watch you clean 483 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,079 the next one she does. They clean the whole school together, and says, 484 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,039 you can go to night school. You'll be a janitor during the day. 485 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,839 He ends up being one of the best students Hampton ever had, coming 486 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:47,440 back and teaching night school and being a position to get the job at Tuskegee 487 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,960 because General Armstrong white guy said, I love this kid. He could do 488 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,880 anything. And he ends up going to Tuskege. And I ask you for 489 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,680 those people say you know, I got terrible parents, and I got no 490 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:06,759 money, and I got a lisp or I'm dyslexic. I challenge you to 491 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:12,759 have a more challenging life and book a t Washington where if you want to 492 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,799 do something with your life, you can envision it, it can happen. 493 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,279 And to me, to see this come forth in his books and to see 494 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,319 people talk about him the way they did, and to know where he came 495 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:28,559 from is unbelievably inspirational. As Teddy Roosevelt could have sat back and said, 496 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,640 I'm rich, My parents are rich, No big deal. He finds a 497 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,720 way to survive and then takes his greatest weakness, which is his body, 498 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:42,720 and makes it his strength. He becomes so determined to reverse his feebleness and 499 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,839 his unhealthiness that his dad ends up getting him waits and says, you're such 500 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,079 an animal, I'm gonna get you waits. He builds up his body, 501 00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,079 ends up boxing in his college, and since he had no socialization, only 502 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:57,359 his sisters, he ends up coming to his own at Harvard. And Okay, 503 00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:59,960 I know he was a man of influence. He had a great father 504 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,720 and a fantastic mother, but he didn't have to That physical illness as a 505 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,039 kid shaped who he became. It made his greatest weakness his greatest strength. 506 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:15,119 And then to see that greatness in each other is an American story. No 507 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:20,960 contact got him. Then they made their greatness, came together and they helped 508 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,599 this place called the United States of America, make progress where we had to 509 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:29,519 make progress, and as in race relations, so to me, both those 510 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:37,159 stories totally different, very inspirational, and together these two are unstoppable. The 511 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,599 book is called Teddy and Booker t How two American icons blazed a path for 512 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,199 racial equality. It's out November sevent You can go to the website for information 513 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,239 on live signings. Brian kill me. Thank you so much for joining us 514 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,880 again. Thank you, Emily, appreciate it, thanks for having me on. 515 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,559 Of course you've been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. 516 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:58,719 I'm Emily Trishinsky, culture editor here at the Federalist. We'll be back soon 517 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,320 with more. Until then, the lovers of freedom and anxious for the first 518 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:15,760 You got me right, well you wrong. H