Love hope. You welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds
Radio is a UFO news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO
phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Roja. Hello, it's Alejandro. And
the kind gentleman who introduced me there, Bob Dean. I got to see
him the other day because Richard Dolan was doing a talk in town. It
was a great talk and it was a packed house. There was something like
probably one hundred and fifty people there. Awesome, and it's at this place
called the Advanced Technology Institute or something, which is pretty cool. Great room
and everything so great. A lot of cool people there, including Bob Dean
you just heard right there, an interesting fella and a friend of ours who
lives not too far away in our Tuki, a wonderful town to say the
name of Hawatuki. So it was wonderful to see everybody again. And Phoenix
move On always does a great job. We have a great MoveOn group here.
But unfortunately I have more bad news, and I hate having to bring
the bad news to you. Although you might know this already because there's been
emails all over We've had it all over our Facebook and everything. But unfortunately,
just yesterday afternoon, Bud Hopkins, the famous alien abduction researcher, passed
away. So we have a bio on our website. There's some bios all
over the place that you can check out, but our website we've got one
and we've got links to others and so you can check out. I noticed
there's a lot of people posting YouTube videos that they've had recently, and in
fact, we're going to put one together because we found some footage we have
that I don't think anybody's seen before, so we're going to put those up.
So I think it's going to be better Hopkins month for the next month,
remembering all of his work, and he really was a pioneer. He
wasn't the first alien abduction researcher, but he was the first to really bring
it to the public as an artist. Now, first he wasn't doing regressions.
I mean, he was just doing the investigation and writing about it.
He got a lot of the people though that do do regressions these days,
into it. Doctor David Jacobs of Van Smith wrote something about him, said
he was instrumental in getting her involved with that, and of course we've had
her on the show and also John mack So, which was really cool because
John MAXs, you know, was one of the most esteemed people in the
field to investigate abductions. Whitley Streeber also he helped Whitley Streeber with his encounters
and really helped facilitate that happen. So he was a big part of the
whole alien abduction phenomena, researching it and getting it going. He has a
website, the Intruder's Foundation, which is a nonprofit that he started to help
out alien updectees and to also educate the public on that. So of course
there's a lot going on with Bud Hopkins and that you'll be able to check
out, and that you know, our hearts go out to him and his
friends. Leslie Keen, Peter Robbins were very close to him for many years
and I know that this is probably very difficult for them, So go check
out the website, go to the Intruders Foundation and go, you know,
send them your condolences and let them know that you care. Other things going
on, We're going to have today a guest who is actually my very first
guest of UFO Think Tank Radio. My friend, physicist Claude Swanson. He
is. He got his degrees at MIT and at now I forget the other
school. I think it was Penn State. I'll have to look it up.
I'll look it up for you guys. But anyway, he's worked at
the Brookhaven Labs. He worked on a lot of government projects for defense and
theoretical physics, so trying to figure out, you know, kind of the
cutting edge stuff. And he's still doing that. However, he noticed that
the paranormal when he looked into it, was not only really noticed, there
was a lot of scientific investigation and to various parts of the paranormal. So
he thought, if this is something really going on, and physics is supposed
to explain all of everything that goes on, He's really tackled with theoretical ideas
on how to explain to paranormal through physics. So you know, you've allably
heard a quantum physics, which is kind of the study of the smallest particles,
but going even further than that and what's at the basis of everything.
So this is going to be a very interesting talk because we're going to talk
about all of that and how it relates to UFO technology and some of the
things that we see in the UFO field as well. So that's what's going
on here on the show. One thing I do want to mention, just
to plug myself, but to thank you all. First of all, think
not just you all, but all of the people that we interview. You
know, some people say why do you have that person on? And why
do you have this person on? But I think that we all need to
be happy that there are people looking into the paranormal, that you all are
brave enough to come and to listen, but also that all of these people,
even if you don't agree with them, there's plenty of people that I
like and I colleagues, and I don't believe exactly what they believe, but
I think it's wonderful that they've been brave enough to put all the time and
the effort into actually researching the paranormal. So that's why we have such a
wide range of of guests here, and I think we all need to appreciate
that. And the reason I bring that up is because I kind of feel
I'm excited about this new project. Essentially, we're blogging for the Huffington Post
because it's conventional media, and it's exciting because they're posting my stuff on the
paranormal up there and conventional media, and I feel like I can help champion
some of the work that all of these people do. And if you're interested
in this stuff, you know, go check out my blog and comment on
there and show people in the conventional media that there are a lot of people
out here that take this stuff very seriously. And I hope to make arguments
up there because it blogs our opinion, and my opinion is that a lot
of this stuff should be taken seriously. So I'm trying to express that.
But I'm real excited about that. So that's something to go check out.
But without further ado to get into it, because I know Jason's got a
lot of cool stuff. Let's check out the ufone News. Jason is here
to give it to us. You looked scared for a minute. You don't
have any good stuff. I always have good stuff, I know, but
don't hype it up too much, Okay, I don't want to let anyone
down. Oh you always deliver, buddy, Thank you, sir. Greeting
Zalahandro and hello everyone, Hello to all of our wonderful listeners and viewers out
there. Let's get into your UFO newsbree from Monday, August twenty second,
twenty eleven. Researchers at Pennsylvania State University recently proposed a theory that suggests if
extraterrestrials detected changes in Earth's atmosphere due to increased greenhouse gas emissions, they might
attack humans to protect other civilizations from humanity's destructive actions. The thirty three page
study, published in the journal Acta Astronautica, is titled would contact like Extraterrestrials
benefit or harm Humanity? A Scenario Analysis, and it evaluates the potential risks
of a hostile extraterrestrial encounter. Space dot Com explains the most popular scenario presented
in the paper, stating an extraterrestrial civilization might notice our planet by detecting changes
in the spectral signature of Earth the light radiated by our planet and atmosphere caused
by greenhouse gas emissions, and they might frown upon our behavior. According to
the International Business Times, media reports about this new study frightened some of the
general public, with headlines like NASA report aliens may destroy humanity to protect other
civilizations and NASA aliens may destroy humanity over greenhouse gases. NASA was forced to
quickly respond, clarifying that while one of the paper's authors, postdoctoral student Sean
Domigol Goldman, works at NASA headquarters, NASA was in no way involved with
the study. NASA posted multiple messages on Twitter addressing the issue with statements like
yes, Strudge Report and Guardian News are mistaken about alien report, it's not
NASA research and again claims we released a study about aliens are not true.
Going even further to clipped the confusion, NASA posted a link to Gomago Goldman's
blog, where he too would address the confusion, stating, so here's the
thing. This isn't a NASA report. It's not work funded by NASA,
nor is it work supported by NASA. In other ways, he was just
a fun paper written by a few friends, one of whom who happens to
have a NASA affiliation. Yeah, it's sad they get it wrong because they
didn't have to even just saying that this is a student or these are students,
and to write about some of this speculation is still enough of a story.
I mean, it's an interesting concept. It certainly is. You know
that there are many ways the journalists could have done this, and you know,
if you want to hype it up a bit, you can still mention
NASA, but you know you need to clarify that it's a NASA researcher,
not NASA is saying this. And you know, it's a theory that someone
like Stanton Friedman and some of these others, even some of the SETI scientists,
have been pushing for a while. I remember the conference in Russia,
the SETI conference. They were talking about it and the whole idea about how
we are just kind of crazy, were screwing stuff up on our planet.
So they would probably just kind of segregate us, watch us, contain us,
and see how things go. But I would think that this isn't something
new to him. If there really are a lot of civilizations out there,
a ton of them, they probably ran across other civilizations at the point that
we're at, or they once themselves were at this point. So it's nothing
too new, although I would see how they would be interested in checking it
out. You know, oh, for sure, the science class, let's
go look at a civilization at this point. Let's go look at a civilization
at this point, right, fly around and take their notes. Those guys
are funny. That's what they did on Star Trek. Yeah, exactly,
flew around and watched people. They didn't They sometimes interfered, but they weren't
supposed to. They tried not to. But sometimes, you know, Captain
Kirk's his passion, he would fall so deeply in love with a beautiful alien
woman that he just couldn't help himself. Well, it goes without saying,
yeah, I completely, but Alejandro, you know that this really rubs me
the wrong way. I have. I have a strong distaste for this theme
of pushing the hostile extraterrestrial concept on people. That is all we hear about
lately, all the television shows up, the specials they're putting on the Science
Channel, Discovery. It's all about alien attacks, all the movies, but
it's negative image and scaring people about extraterrestrial life. But it always comes back
to economics, where a capital country, capitalist country, it's all about money.
It's just like the news is all about blood and gore. One rule
of thumb, and the news has always been if it bleeds, it leads,
and sure enough, that's what we see all the time, and so
then it translates over to UFOs, over to every subject scare people, sharks,
attack, bears, mall, you know everything, you know, puppies
bite ah. I mean, so it's just all this scarce stuff because they
feel it makes some money off of it. Yet it just makes money,
money, money, and that's all they care about. So I'm glad you
provided me with a segue to the next story. Cool that is. One
of the leading US economists says that an alien invasion could fix the troubled economy.
There we go. Paul Krugman, new York columnist and Nobel Prize winner,
presented this idea on the CNN show GPS, hosted by Freed Zakira.
Krugman stated, if we discovered the space aliens were planning to attack, and
we needed a massive build up to encounter this space alien thread and inflation and
budget deficits took secondary place to that this slump would be over in eighteen months.
He credited the idea to an episode of the Twilight Zone where scientists baked
and alien invasion to achieve world peace. But, as he explained, this
time we needed in order to get some fiscal stimulus. Yeah, like I
was saying, it's already happening. All of these alien movies. Alien attack
movies are getting lots of viewers, except for Cowboys and Aliens. I guess
them too too good. But Paul's doing good on DVD some of these others,
so it's working. It's making some money. Yeah, some of them
work. You know, a lot of these movies actually do well. But
you know, like you said, Cowboys and Aliens and then like Mars Needs
Mom, Yeah, I think they're too good disappointments and yeah, but the
merps they got to be with alien you know, the little blue guys,
they can I only count them as aliens. I too many little blue guys
here, so they must be. Yeah. But to get back at least
the story about the them trying to contain us or destroying us because we're destroying
the planet. I think that's closer at least to this whole idea I have
that a lot of them are at least indifferent to us. I mean that
they are kind of like like we would be with animals. We struggle with
what should we do? Some of these animals are going out of control.
Do we need to contain them? You know? Same kind of thing.
So that may be like, you know, they're kind of pass So what
do we do with this whole thing? Has it posted to just it makes
more sense than I think, coming and destroying just for the hell of it,
right, But movies don't have to make sense alle hundro. Yeah,
Good's true. Well. In other news, the UK National Archives released another
batch of UFO files a couple weeks ago, and we talked about that,
which marked the eighth batch of the formerly classified documents to be released to the
public. These latest files, like previous release files, indicate the government's lack
of interest in investigating UFO, setting reports. At least that was the perception
of the Ministry of Defense was trying to create. Nick Pope, who was
the desk officer in charge of the mods UFO files, recently told the Huffington
Post was abundantly clear from these files is that while in public, we were
desperately pushing the line that this was of no defense interest. But he goes
on to state, we were telling the public we're not interested, this is
all nonsense, but in reality we were desperately chasing our tails. And following
this up in great detail, Pope divulged and insiders look at the government's game
of misleading people. He revealed one tactic used with the downplay UFO reports by
referring to witnesses as UFO buffs or UFO spotters to make them sound less credible.
They additionally used terms like little green men in reports to make the sighting
seem silly, which would hopefully reduce the chance of the media picking up the
story. When Pope was with the mod he too was required to go along
with the policy of deception. He told the Huffington Post. I believe in
open government and freedom of information. I believe that the UFO phenomenon does raise
important defense, national security and air safety issues, and if I helped kill
any initiative on that, I'm deeply sorry. I spoke with Li Spiego wrote
the Huffington Post story, and it was really funny because he helped organize the
un thing we've had. Antonio On talked about that, Antonio's written about it
in our magazine, and Les Spigo is the main kind of organizer putting all
of that together, and he was shocked when he saw in the last batch
how the UK really was trying to stifle his whole effort. There was Sir
Gary from Gerrit Carey from Grenada who was a real sponsor of it. So
it's kind of funny that he was referred to in these files and stuff,
and then he speaks with Nick Pope and Nick Bop apologizes for all of that,
although he said Nick Pope did tell him even though I apologize, he
can't really blame me because I was only a teenager when all of this happened.
So, but of course it's stuff in the nineties he can't apologize for.
Because some of the files we even talked about and we have on our
website, such as during the Ralph Noise era, he was the person who
wrote those letters. We actually confirmed with him recently that he was one of
those guys who wrote one of those letters saying, oh, you know,
don't worry about it. Yeah, well, we have much more about that
on our website. And our video producer just put together a video on this
and you appear in the video alle hundra me. You do yes, and
you look like crap, But I'm kidding, you look fantastic. It's a
fun video. So we have that. Because I didn't have my new glasses,
I know, new glasses, so we'll have to reshoot the video.
But the videos there, we've got articles there, so check that out on
Open mindsot TV. And then there was a UFO that appeared on live TV.
Whoa maybe. Viewers of Channel four News in London were surprised on August
sixteenth when they observed the UFO zooming through the sky and in the background during
an interview with British politician Tom Watson. According to the Metro, viewers called
the television station to report the strange object that appeared at the top of the
screen before darting in a flash. The UFO is only visible for a couple
of seconds and it is difficult to make out any physical details of the object.
An airplane or helicopter have been suggested as possibilities, but the movement demonstrated
by the UFO and the video makes these explanations seem unlikely. A seagull or
another bird gliding through the London sky could be the identity of the object in
question, but that is speculation on my part and others. The UFO remains
unidentified and will likely remain so. One factor that makes identifying this particular UFO
so challenging is that the channel for interview was most likely shot in front of
a green screen with the London video backdrop digitally added to the video, meaning
that the London scene with the UFO zooming through the frame was pre recorded,
and unless the television station knows exactly when the London scene was recorded, the
option of contacting local air traffic controllers to see if there was any aircraft in
the sky at that particular time, you don't have that luxury. But again,
the object is most likely a bird. Yeah, it goes so fast,
it's hard to tell. It's kind of a it's a neat video,
that's for sure. But if it is something mundane, it's got to it'd
probably be a bird, you know, diving because it's like it's die bombing.
Yeah, it's kind of cruising. It's not flapping at all, Right,
it's just kind of diving, right, unless it's something health and it
certainly could be. Yeah, we have no idea what it is. Who
knows no idea. I've had an idea, but yeah we don't. And
another UFO on video or UFOs, multiple UFOs in the sky your stance at
Airport in Essex, England were captured on video by a motorist on his way
to London. The incident allegedly occurred on July twenty ninth, just five days
before BBC journalist Mike Sewell reported a flying disc in the same area. The
UFOs in the video are bright orbs with white light that shoot through the sky
above the M eleven motorway at tremous, tremendous speeds, and according to the
Sun, former Ministry of Defense UFO researcher and UFO expert Nick Pope said,
assuming it's genuine, it's one of the most bizarre pieces of UFO footage I've
seen in a long time. And I'm going to interrupt here and say,
I question whether or not they actually checked with Nick Pope on this. I
think they went through their stock Nick Pope quotes, because I'm pretty sure that
he said that a couple of months ago about a similar video or video,
but about a video, because I know I've seen that quote before from Nick
Pope and the questionable Oh yeah. But anyway, while the orbits of light
seeing in this video can easily be created with video effects software, it doesn't
necessarily mean that this particular video is a hoax. But something else that sends
up red flags with this video is the audio in the video, because if
you listen to it, if you watch the video and listen with headphones on,
you can tell that the audio in the left and right channels are completely
different audio tracks. In the left channel, I believe you hear music which
supposedly is coming from the car stereo, but you don't hear anything else.
It's just just move music. And in the right track, you hear the
people in the car, a man and a woman freaking out about it.
Oh, but you don't hear any music. Is there any chance to music
was like a music overaly for effect? Or is it definitely attempting to seem
like music from the radio. It's certainly not not background aut of that you'd
put in unless you did it really crappily, because it sounds like there's ambient
noise. Yeah, and that the people, the people the vocal tracks,
there's a lot of I don't know, it seems like there's a lot of
reverb, reverb like they're in a room or something and kind of overacted.
So I don't know. It's it's very suspicious. Yeah, that's very suspicious.
You know, those are good points and you've worked in the music industry,
and so that's why the International Business Times quoted to you as a an
expert. It's a quotable opinion. Yeah. Well, all one hundred.
That is all the news I have for today. Everyone. Remember to check
out all these stories we talked about and many many more at openminds dot tv,
your source for UFO related news. I'm Jason McClellan. You're UFO News
guy, and I have just briefed you. Back to you, Alejandro,
Thank you, UFO news. Dude. Do you like dude or do you
like guy? I like that guy. I like dude correspondent. We use
often. I guess it depends on your mood and how much I've irritated you
throughout the day. That variety is good anyway, Absolutely, well, continue
with the variety, my friend. All right, thank you very much,
dude guy correspondent. All right. Some of the other stories that we have
up here on the site, we did cover one of the more spectacular uk
UFO files cases that's in there now. This is a case that we've known
about for quite some time, and in fact, the witness, Ray Bauer,
was a pilot and in April April twenty three, two thousand and seven,
he was flying. He kind of flies around these islands, the Channel
Islands, which are in the English Channel. I had to add that because
of as American urn familiar with the area out there, so he's an island
hopper. And actually one time he is flying around in April twenty third and
he saw an object that was above these clouds because there was some low laying
haze, and he at first thought it was maybe a building glinting light through
the clouds, and he thought, well, that's not possible because there is
not like getting to the ground. So he checked it out in his binoculars
and it was this huge cigar shaped object, yellow glowing with a little band
of darkness on the right hand side. Then he noticed one behind it.
At first he thought maybe it was the size of a three seventy or seven
thirty seven. Later on though, thinking about it, and then with the
radar information, he deducted that this thing must have been maybe even a while
a mile wide. And that's right, you heard me correctly, radar information,
because radar from the ground did pick up this object, and they confirmed
that with him while he was in the air, asking the Tower of what
was going on and if they had seen this thing. Well, they told
him that the object they were picking up was past the island that he was
going to land on, so he was happy about that because he was getting
worried because as they got closer, of course they could see these things were
bigger and bigger. But he was able to land before they got to the
objects because he didn't really want to fly near the mine. Had a crew
full of a cabin full of passengers, but he says the passengers started getting
scared that he can hear them saying, what is that? Oh my gosh,
you know, And when they got to the ground, he asked them
what did you see? And they described the same thing to him that he
had seen, and in fact, some of them even talked to the media,
so pretty good case. Then a couple of days later he found out
when he talked to the tower that there was another plane that had also seen
these UFOs that was up there. So this plane was flying doing this same
thing from island to island, and they heard the radar tower say they had
gotten unknown on radar, and so he looked to see if he could view
this thing also, and he did. Now he only viewed it for a
minute because it was at a different angle, and then he went behind some
clouds and couldn't see it anymore. But he described the same thing, a
large cigar shaped object that was glowing and yellow. So two pilots, radar
passengers all saw this thing. And doctor David Clark, who is one of
the people who helps the UK National Archives with these files and he writes about
UFOs and things, he even talked about how this is one of the most
mysterious cases that the UK has on file. Doctor or the pilot. Ray
Brower actually spoke a few months later in November of two thousand and seven at
the Washington National Press Club with an event that was put together by Leslie Keene
and James Fox for his documentary Out of the Blue, and where they had
gotten a lot of people together, some general's commanders. They had General Debauer
there, They had General Bermudez from Chile there. This is the same General
Bermudez, by the way, who's going to be at the UFO Congress this
year. He is running the Chile UFO Study Group, official Air Force UFO
Group in Chile, so he's going to be at our conference to talk about
that, but they had a lot of great people together to talk about UFOs,
and Ray Bauer was one of those witnesses, so it's a really good
case. So I wrote more details about that because these uk UFO files had
the official forms signing forms that were filled out by the witnesses, so you
can see their drawings of what they saw and everything, and you can see
the official response and essentially the UK said, well, that wasn't a primary
radar, so they might not have actually gotten it on radar. Either way,
the object seemed to be in French airspace and not British airspace, so
it's not really our problem. Of course, they didn't say it in those
words, but close to it. You can see their exact wording in the
file in the article section. So that was another UKUFO story that we covered.
All of those stories that Jason talked about, you can also see in
the new video that we put up with other cases and other statements that are
very credible on the UK file, So very interesting files. However, let
us get to our guest today, because this is a great one we have.
Like I said before, doctor Claude Swanson, a physicist and he is
you know what. Let me see if I have here which we're guy.
It agrees, because I Mit and Princeton see pretty cool stuff. This guy
really knows what he's talking about, and I think he's just so terribly interesting.
So let's get him on the phone. I'm very happy to be talking
once again to my good friend Claude Swanson. Clode, are you on the
phone? I am Hyaljandro. Hello, So it sounds like you never take
a break. You just finished your gigantic second book. And gigantic in words,
but in size. I mean it's like a larger than normal. It's
kind of what eight and a half by eleven almost, and and thick pages
references, Wow, one hundred and fifty figures. When I was on the
George Norrich show, he said they brought it up stairs to him in a
forklift. Yeah, it's definitely a big one. But I remember how long
you've been working on it. It took about seven years. What happened?
You know? My first book was Synchronized Universe, New Science of the Paranormal,
and I was really interested in trying to look at phenomena and don't get
our current science things that really current science cannot explain and sometimes people put forward
theories that they might claim explain them, but they really don't. So I
wanted to look at the real evidence in the first book or out of body
experiences and are remote viewing and esp and psychokinesis and you know, near death
experiences, levitation things like that, and first of all, say, well,
what's hard evidence? Is it persuasive? These things are real? And
I concluded, yes, they are real. And in the last chapter of
the book, I've proposed a the outline of a theory, but how we
could change our current science to begin to account for those things. And that
was the synchronized universe model that gave rise to the book and the website.
And really that leads very naturally to the idea of parallel dimensions parallel realities,
and it explains how things can travel faster than light, how they can pass
two walls. You know, all the strange things that you see in the
UFO cases are also all in the same category as paranormal phenomena, so that
same theory applies to both. So that was pretty cool. And then the
second book is trying to go deeper and say, well, what is the
force that shows up what makes it possible for the physics to be different in
paranormal cases, in UFO cases. And what I concluded there is is what
the Chinese called chia. It's the lifeboard, and it's been known for thousands
of years, but it's not part of the Western science. So I've pulled
together all the hard evidence a mind for how this force behaves and then try
to develop the theory. But it's an hotline of the theory for how they
can expand our current science to include chi and include the strange things that you
see in energy medicine, energy healing, psychic phenomena and UFO cases. So
that's it was. It just took that long. And what was surprising for
me, Alejandro, is that I discovered for a whole lot of pieces of
the puzzle that I did not know. We're so far along. Things like
the acupunctual meridians of the body have been photographed, they've been proven biophoton work
in Germany, a lot of different pieces of the puzzle for a newer understanding
of how we live, what a living being really is. There's a holographic
matrix of energy that determines how we grow, how we heal, and it's
also essential in how we communicate, how esp is possible, things like that.
So there's a big book because a lot of new discoveries that put in
the book. It's interesting, you know, you bring in the ancient stuff
because it seems as though there are other scientists, and especially people like yourself,
theoretical physicists, who are starting to learn that the more sophisticated our understanding
of science and how the world works, the more how the ancient and some
of these indigenous and Asian old Asian type of cultures and the ways start to
make sense and they start to be able to be explained by this new science.
Well, you know, our Western medicine is very dependent on chemistry and
drugs and surgery and processes that are fairly harsh to the body and in cutting
and sewing and things like that, and chemicals that are not natural to the
body. When you ask yourself, well, how do other societies manage the
process of health, maintenance and healing, they have a different method of the
older societies in many many cultures around the world, but them as of Hawaii,
the indigenous peoples of Siberia and Russia, Native Americans, there's so many
places have shaman or some equivalent of shaman who does spiritual practices and energy medicine
practices and some of those book and now in America, you know, we're
seeing the fruits of the way we live, eating too much food, of
exercise, too much sugar, too much caffeine, too much stress, and
it's starting to have effects on our body that Western medicine is not able to
handle very well. And some of these more traditional, older fashioned techniques are
actually quite good at it. Because the Chinese, for example, their medicine
is four thousand years old, their medicine, and this podified by the so
called Yellow Emperor one D several thousand years ago, and they put together the
principles and the basic idea is that we are a balance of energies in the
body. Of those energies govern how we grow, how we yield. When
we in health, we have to have a balance of these different given in
the different forces of energy. And the job of the position is to keep
you well, not to hear you're going to get sick, although that's part
of it. But you should take a balance and you don't get sick.
And that's the right revolutionary idea for us. Right we don't have to learn
to learn from those societies. Well, you know, I thought I at
one point for relaxation and things like that, I really got into meditation for
a while. And when I really found mostly partially because just like a lot
of us, I was an emotional storm. You know, I was like,
I shouldn't be getting so upset and so emotional about all these things that
I get upset about because it's silly, and so I wanted to calm myself.
So I got into meditation and over the time, and I thought,
there's no way I'm going to be able to most people feel this way.
There's no way I can silence myself and balance myself. But I figured,
you know what, at least even if I take little baby steps, it's
better than nothing. Over time, I did find that I could, Uh,
it's kind of exponential. I could balance myself. And then I discovered
that I was getting sick less. And when I would get sick, I
would meditate, which is essentially just relaxing, teaching yourself how to relax,
and I would get over those sicknesses. And I tell people at work and
they kind of laugh and tease me, but they see that it's true.
I mean, I don't get sick, and if I do, I'm able
to chill out and get rid of it really quick. And it's a simple
act of chilling out. And then I learned that, you know, this
isn't such a strange idea, even to some physicists and some therapists out there
and biologists who are talking about, yeah, the stress is what's really making
us sick. Yeah, absolutely, And what was being learned about the body,
you know, and you know the book Life Force is the mechanisms the
body uses to seal and to make these repairs of the whole actfunctional system of
the body is actually a network of tubules that have recently been discovered, they
say, been photographs. Of course, you know, this is the tradition
in Chinese medicine for thousands of years. But in the last few years they've
been traced to a whole new circulatory system, independent of blood, independent of
nerves, independent of all the other systems of the body. It's not included
in the western anatomy books. I have a daughter who has just got a
Blogg University of Virginia a couple of years ago. Since working it gives me
she didn't believe the acpunction meridians existed. I showed her photographs, you know,
and in China and in Korea they've done a lot of hard research to
show that these Merindians carry signals throughout the body to tell the DNA that's kind
of pattern it's supposed to be making. So it carries information about what your
liver is supposed to look like, how the DNA and your fingernail is supposed
to make a certain kind of tissue, while the DNA and some other parts
of the body makes some up kind of tissue. It's a communications system that
actually carries holographic information because of a three D pictorial kind of pattern information it's
carrying the agupuncture system, and it's not working right. The signals get messed
up a little bit and get a little quite enough of a certain FOP disease,
you get anields at a certain time. Of what they bind is that
in the agricultural meridians are also certain kind of cells, I don't know what
you called stem cells, which can actually turn themselves into the right kind of
tissue is needed. So if you deliver or your skin or something, he
helps as eventually the the acupunction relia can carry cells that point. So if
this energy just chi also appears to be essential to understanding esp and psychic phenomena,
and it may explain how craft can travel faster than LFE as well.
So it may have a lot of interesting clues to a better understanding of some
of the pusban phenomena that right now we can really explain. So key or
this energy then is how does the human body relate to that? I mean,
is this energy generated by us somehow is does it have to do with
electromagnetic forces or something? What is it? What do you think? Well,
it looks some of the most interesting work has been done in Russia.
I started in the nineteen fifties, a man named Nikolai Kazarev. He called
it portion. But it's the same energy, and they all acknowledge this.
Now they would the Russians would say, it's essentially caused by skin. Every
elementric particle in electrons, protons, neutrons, they all have a spin.
They all spin around some axis in the same way the Earth spins around the
North pole. They all have a spin axis. Now, when that skin
axis changes, they say that creates the torsion wave. And so this is
an elementary kind of force that actually compagates through space and carries that spinning property
with it. That and there's a left handed and a right handed version of
this energy, the same as with Chinese medicine. There's a yen and ea
to different polarities of skin, and they carry opposite qualities. So a whole
is it appear should have been work felt by the Russians for how this force
behaves and when last most and Peristroica happened in the early nineties, and that
the Russian Empire dissolved when they released all their client states, the scientists who
are working on this suddenly found that they were now permitted to publish their papers,
and they also discovered they had no funding anymore. So there were a
flood of papers that came out of Russia during that time period about this subject.
It is the primary bulk of research we have available today in the West
to deal with. But it does point to a hard science that seems to
underline the force. And how did that science then get lost, because really
it seems it did get lost because we're not using it today. Well,
I think any new science takes time to get accepted. There are always I
mean, you can meet Thomas Coon's you know, structure of scientific revolution,
or you can just look back in the history of them. We're having a
Galileo when he discovered gravity and some of the early laws of gravity. Uh.
There were other groups that had their own opinions. The Church followed Aristotle.
Aristotle and told them a different cet of rules. When Galileo came along,
they suggested it. They didn't want Galileo's new theory. They felt that
it was a sacrilege, and they asked him, do you want to you
know, do you want to publish your theory? And if you do,
you get the rack, you know, you get a choice fear, and
he chose not to take the rac and to we can't and you know,
so it's always been a challenge the new ideas come along today. I mean,
in Western science we have you know, millions of people going to school
learning the Western standard physics. When I was in college, you take the
standard E and M. Course, you're run the theory. Then you go
into the lab and you do the experiments and they come out just the way
the textbook said they would. Okay, well, of course you're doing the
experiments the textbook told you to make. They're not looking at other strange things
like skins or things like that, so you don't see anything anomalous, and
most physicists believe that that's the whole story. In fact, the torsion force,
it's kind of weak. It's much fat to the lectum magnetism, and
it often is masked by other effects like temperature, so it's a little bit
hard to see. But in Russia it appears as though a very serious research
program, government supported went on for several decades. And there are some papers
that I talk about in my book, and I described the experiments in some
care that are so me the primary building block, the primary foundation for you
diste science. And one of the interesting things about this force is I'll be
an example of an experiment the Russians did, and they found that a lot
of different materials respond to this force. You know, we we weekly,
but enough so you can use it. And they made a little detector for
porson and they used tungsten resistors you know, what's called wheatstone bridge and they
can detect torsion very weakly. You look at the focus of a telescope and
aim it at the sun, and the sun goes overhead. Even when you
block out all the light and all the heat, energy and everything else,
they found that there was still something coming from the Sun and they were able
to see it with this telescope. The interesting thing about their experiment is they
didn't see the Sun at just one place in the sky. When we look
up with the sky, we're looking with our visible optical sensors, our eyes.
We see the Sun at a certain place in the sky. It's where
it was about eight point three minutes ago when the light left the Sun and
travel toward the Earth. Okay, were delayed effect, and that's where the
Sun appears to us in the sky. What the Russians saw is three places
in the sky where the Sun appeared when looked at through torsion. There's the
delayed or it's called the retarded position, which is the normal way we see
the Sun. They also saw a net position, which corresponds to a signal
that traveled at infinite steed, there was no time delay in the second signal.
They also saw a third They also saw a third signal, which is
where the Sun would be if light traveled backwards in time or left the telescope
went to the sun. So that's a really strange one. They saw these
three spots in the sky. Now the third spot, I don't quite get
you there at okay, uh at backwards time? Oh as if the light
So in other words, the same distance as the retarded one from the actual
but in back in time. Yeah. So that the central point is the
instantaneous point. Gotcha. Then that the one the retarded or the normal one.
We would say he's on one side of that and the advanced one is
on the other side of that. Gotcha. Wow, that's very frequent.
Yeah. So it says that this tourision signal is unusual in that it has
elements to travel faster than light and in fact that they go backwards in time.
Uh So it's a really strange course. But the neat thing is that
it's right what people see in psychic phenomena. There are experiments for example,
well we'll take remote viewing for example, and the remote viewing it doesn't matter
whether you're trying to see a target. It's in the past or in the
future, or in the presence too. Mcmonagle says his accuracy is sixty five
to eighty percent for all three in the past president and future targets. We
you know, I think with our site courses in remote viewing, we would
look at targets sixty five million years ago, the destruction of the dinosaurs,
and you know, we've got quite good results in terms of you know,
I saw something in the fireball of something coming out of the sky and it's
all these little figures looking up at it. I mean the whole thing,
and you know I was able to name the target. In remote viewing,
you never told what the target is. It's a psychic process. It's a
systematic process that makes it easier to do because you get your conscious mind out
of the way. And so it's an example where time doesn't matter. The
Princeton Pair Lab for thirty years protected hundreds of thousands of experiments on psychic phenomena
esp. Psychokinesis, things like that, and they found that time doesn't matter.
So you can send or re see if the signal backward or forward in
time, which is totally unlike the forces of physics that we're used to,
but it's very much like the way torsion behaves. So they have the answer
to what the force is. It explains paranormal phenomena. So do you believe
that we perhaps have our sixth sense would be a sense of torsion, and
somehow we're using torsion to be able to be psychic. Yeah, I think
so. I mean, experiments have been done with people, just average people.
You put them in a lab, wire up the brains, the brain
waves, you know, the EEG measurement, and you send them a psychic
message. We well, first of all, they'll do an experiment, a
play a tone like a musical note, and they'll watch how the brainwaves respond.
Then they'll send a psychic message. Now the person's in an isolation booth,
there's no idea that someone's trying to send a psychic message, but the
brain waves respond much the same way as when you hear a tone. In
other words, the brain waves basically say I'm getting a signal. Okay.
Now, consciously, the person has no idea he's getting a signal, but
his brain waves are showing at the subconscious level he received a psychic message.
So we probably all have the reception machinery built into us. And what's really
the problem for most people is our conscious minds are chattering all the time.
We're always we learn in school, left brain processes and memorization, adding,
subtracting things like that, analyzing the trickiest, quiet that part of the mind.
That's where meditation comes in. That's where ignosis can be helpful. When
you quiet that chattering mind, then you constructors listen to those messages as a
subconscious is receiving. So I think we all have the machinery. M hm
wow. And so you talked about how they were able to measure torsion with
a device. If torsion I know with willhem Reich for instance, he used
devices. Uh, he believed he could create oregone and what he you know,
his version of the G Then can electronic devices could we build them?
Can we build like a torsion TV where we can tune into some of this
stuff? We might we might be able to I'm not. I can't say
we we can't until we do. But what what I've described in the book.
I have a couple of chapters on the torsion science and on devices that
have been built which they claim work or communication. We're sending signals through wave
guides or broadcast through the air, and you know they penetrate materials that would
be would reflect as the magnetic signals and they travel a lot faster potentially.
So it's you know, we're talking about the very early stages of a new
science. It's like you're talking to Michael Faraday, you know, back when
he just invented electricity or just discovered our electromagnet work, even before uh Maxwell
came along with his equations, and you're asking, you're asking him, well,
you know, what good is it? What could you do with it?
Well, it turns out a member of parliament did ask Faraday that exact
question, what good is electricity? What good is what good is it?
And Paraday's answer was, well, sir, someday you will be able to
tax it. With the early stages here, but I will not be surprised
if there are many amazing developments along the way. With the communication device that
was built, was it then able to uh communicate faster than any sort of
radio wave, like an instantaneous type of communication. That is what the fragmentary
papers and reports so we have from the Russians indicate that yes, it will
be able to travel faster the life. There's not a lot of detail on
a lot of this stuff, or if there is, it's in Russian,
and then there's lots stuff and translated. So you know, what we have
is the tip of the iceberg. But that's what it looks like. Now,
are there any labs out there working on torsion now that you know of
I don't know of it. I don't know about it. If they are,
I would imagine, so it seems fool is to overlook it. But
I don't know about any the government as far as I know, in the
National Science Foundation, we don't give grands to do research on it. So
in America it's been pretty much poo food in the mainstream science. There were
a couple of Russians, not Russian scientists, but a couple of Russians who
wrote articles on the web that debunked it. And in public American science it
seems like it's been decided that, oh, it's just a bunch of hui,
and just don't we'll even touch it, you know, But if you
start looking into it, there are an enormous number of Russian Russian scientists but
worked on this for decades. Wow. In fact, if you go back,
go back to the classic book Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain by Ostrander
and Schroeder. That was written in nineteen seventy country aout nineteen seventy before I
was forty years ago, and they interviewed this man, Nikolai Posrev, who
discovered torsion in the fifties, So in the late sixties when they are over
there, they're in his lab. They're in his lab at an observatory in
Russia, and he's doing his experiments right in front of them and showing them
how these things work, and they're describing it, and it's the most amazing
thing. You know, there's no chance and this is somebody trying to mislead
anybody. So the probabilities of this is a genuine, real science and it's
a real phenomenon and it's hard to believe it's not being researched somewhere. So
yeah, if I can get the money, would you help me will open
up Swanson torsion Lab. Yes, this whole thing running, Well, let's
talk about that offline. Yeah, that would be amazing. I mean,
it seems like something that needs to be picked up. And as far as
let's see with this sort of torsion, it's similar to TI you had said,
and I know you had talked about different Chinese experiments that they had done
that were pretty advanced and had some yeah, incredible, that's what the result.
That was one of the things that got me involved in the first place
because I met an energy healer back in the eighties mite Girpus, who was
a Polish immigrant who was quite gifted and energy healing, and up until that
time, my impression about most of these strange phenomena is that they're very elusive
to come and they go and reliable, and so it's hard to do research
on him because they're so weak. But Mitech was an energy healer who when
he worked on you, you could feel the energy. You know, he
never touched anybody. He's always several feet away, but you felt, you
know, you felt the shift. You felt something better and more energetic and
healthier and happier after he worked on you. And one thing I noticed is
that he would breathe. He would breathe in a funny kind of way inhaling
and exhaling his breath. The Hindus called his kanayama. He's a Yoga method
of breathing. And what they say is you're building up chi in your body.
You have a concentration of chi, and that's when it gives you the
ability to do these things. So that was I guess maybe so the origin
of some of his research. What the Chinese have been doing in recent years
is studying these masters scientifically. They've discover or facilities. They call them chikong
masters. They build up chi in their body, they can move it around,
they can project it out of the acupuncture points. Often they used the
hand as a place where they would commit this chi and they can send it
to somebody else and you can view it when whether it lands, when it
hits you. It is a form of healing. It's also used in some
forms of martial arts. So what the Chinese government has been doing is doing
research scientifically in the lab with some of these people to see what happens,
what are the effects of chieve, and how it behaves. There was one
great master, I think it's so alive after Yan Xin, who in the
nineteen eighties began research with the Scientific National Physics Institute in China and they did
a series of experiments with them. They would do things like you have a
radioactive material like amuritium, which gives off alpha particles periodically, and you know,
for the materials that have a long half life, they decay slowly,
and therefore we watched them decay. But it's a pretty much it's a standard
rate. We don't know how to change that rate of decay very much.
But they would ask the chigong master, can you affect how fast it decays?
And he would say would okay, Well, see if you could be
increase it, and he would increase it, and they would go off maybe
ten twenty percent faster decay. They would say, okay, okay, now
see if you can decrease the decay. It would decrease several percent. They
say, okay, now let's see how a distance factors in. And he
would go away from the experiment by a thousand miles. We asked him to
do the same thing and it would still work. Okay, that's pretty amazing.
They did the same type of experiment with laser beams. Bending lasers.
Uh. You can change the structure of water. This is one This is
one thing many healers are able to do by sending their chi energy into the
water. It changes the water bonding between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms of the
volecule. You can measure this on a certain type of lab procedure called Raman's
pectroscopy. It will show you how the bonding has changed from the CHI.
So lots of experiments have been done and China has been one of the leaders.
They've also shown that you heal from cancer surgery, things like that faster
after chi dong after receiving a dose of CHI. So lots of interesting stuff
go on, and in my book presents all of that material. So would
it be accurate to say them because I know this word is misused a lot,
but because you talk about g or this energy, for lack of a
better word, I guess I'll just call it she has to do a spin
and at a very small level. Would it be accurate then to call it,
using kind of a modern vernacular, a quantum type of energy. Well,
my suspicion is that it's you. It goes below that, it goes
beneath that. Our quantum physics is the accepted standard physics, and we say,
this is the uncertainty principle that limits how finally processes that we talked about,
how finally you can look at processes. But most quantum phenomena, you
know, deals with things on the size of the atom or the size of
the nucleus basically elementary particles. What they're going to with those go down as
small as penda munus fifteen meters, with the a nucleus system of mine of
fifteen meters, which is called one Fermie. That's from the smaller scale of
most quantum things that are talked about. But there is a front here now
looking at things at a deeper level. One kind of research has been worked
on by how put Off, Bernie haysh Al Fausta and others where they try
to go deeper and they say, well, why does quantum physics worked the
way it does. Is there some mechanism at a deeper level? And you
know, that's that's what Einstein always believed. That was the problem He had
the bore and all the quantum debate. He felt one physics, it's okay,
but it's only an approximation. There's something at a deeper level. Well,
what these people are presented is if you assume that the vacuum is filled
with energy, with lots of photons and other things floating around, that a
particle that we say is just in a quantum state, it's just sitting there,
sitting still not doing anything. We say it's in a stable energy state,
and that would be most things like an atom sitting in space. The
hydrogen atom is, for example, sits in space. In a quantum picture,
it's not doing anything. It's in a stable quantum state, and we
just say it's in an eigen state. You don't have to worry about it,
and that's what should learn in school. But in the picture that the
other gentleman had developed, it's a dynamic system. It's a radiating energy out
into space. All the time it's being hit by the energy in the vacuum
which is exciting it and cause of it to bounce around. That's where the
uncertains comes from. So it's a biger play between energy coming in energy going
out. So it's a deeper, more detailed description, and that's where this
pision picture seems to fit it. Toson appears to be maybe the finest scale
energy in the vacuum. You may even define the fabric of space time.
So that's quantum. It's sub quantum exactly. And so if you want to
if you want to do things that go beyond our current physics, you have
to you have to go there basically, right now we think that Einstein's equations,
well, it's about space and time. But I suppose this other force,
this chief force, who is able to change space and time, so
as you can start, you can speed up or spill down time, so
you can stretch things in the ways our current physics can uh. This chief
force may hold the answer to how to do that. So that's that's the
exciting thing for me because some of these experiments. But you look at these
chigong masters, I mean, they defy c physics, so you're not gonna
be able to explain them of steaking with physics. It's exciting too because there's
so many disciplines that are talking about different parts. So for example, you're
talking about healing and the ways to heal, and this chi being able to
balance at a sub quantum level your your atoms and your your cells. You
know, there's a gentleman, and I know you know of him and his
work, and his name is kind of Bob Plimpton or Pilkington or he's a
biologist who talks about and he makes it so you can understand, because he
was a teacher of biology, how cells respond better to other types of energy
than chemicals, which is what we deal with them with, and which for
him allows this idea of also the healing and the energy healing and light healing
that things like people do putting lights on cells and things like that. Do
you know how I'm talking about Plimpton anything, I don't know. The thing
sounds from me that I don't recognizine, but sort of that type of thing
is being demonstrated over and over again now at the frontiers of medicine and an
alternative medicine. A lot of healing going on with lights and certain frequencies.
I mean the work. The work started, you know, nineteen seventy in
Germany with the jabag Pop who got the idea that DNA, as a big
molecule, creates and absorbs hotons, little packets of energy, and that it
sends those packets to other molecules in the cell, and those packets contained both
energy and information and caused other molecules to respond in a certain way with the
whole communication system. And he began working on this idea seventies. Everybody else
laughed at it, they thought it was crazy. You know, now thirty
four years later, it's a huge body of work. German groups have a
mass to show it's not crazy, it's actually the way living systems work.
Yeah, I think it. Yeah, and so frequencies of light are an
important part of that. Right. I was gonna mention I saw a documentary
recently on the Swedish working on Tibetan medicines, because the Tibetans talked about the
light body. When they worked on a body, they worked on the light
body, and that their herbal remedies were just that we're centered around that delight
frequency, which is really interesting, and I guess the Swedish worked on it
and have created pills that are similar to depetent medicine that are helpful. But
unfortunately, especially in the United States and other countries, they don't accept that
form of medicine. Well again, you know we have in this country and
in other countries too. There's already an industry, an entrenched industry, if
you excuse the expression, that is quite happy with the profits they're making and
the technology they have, and so partly there's resistance to learning something new,
but partly it's competition. You know, we're talking about technology that could put
out of business some of these patents and drugs and things like that, So
of course they're against it. So it's hard, it's not. It's never
just strictly science, you know, there's always the business aspect and the emotional
aspect as well. So yeah, that's why it takes time. New discoveries
take time to work their way into the system. Thinking of that term sub
quantum, which is a really neat term. You know, I love star
treking. It sounds like a star treking type of thing. Then how does
this all translate over to that over to kind of UFOs and being able to
move faster than light. Well, if you go back to the Russian experiments
with the sunlight, they were actually seeing a component of energy, well actually
two different components, one going back to some time and then the one going
into the speed which is faster than life. So those are two other three
signals they were seeing, I do go faster than light, and they were
based on distortion. So with the infinite speed using that term which was meaning
that probably as fast as is possible, well that which you mean my infinite
speed into that speed means it takes no time to get from point A to
point by zero time. But you know, the Russian measurements with the sunlight.
We're indicating there is a third signal going backwards in time, right what
you call what you call that faster than than infinite? Right, you might
you know, uh, if we're in a strange new regime here where the
people will have to go over this and rethink a lot of the concepts and
think of the granted like what is the fastest speed? How do how do
we you know, rework our physics to include some of these states and so
at the early stages right now, but certainly if you want to have a
chance of going faster than light, then you might think that articles or whatever
portion, uh you want call it, you fellow, the wave. It's
a signal, maybe a sun quantum signal, but that might be a good
place to see art. So you know, I don't have all the answers
right now, but it's a promise in technology. We need you to get
those answers as soon as possible, yes sir, Yeah, well that's so
right, which is why we experiment and why they experiment them of course with
the quantum particles, because they're able to demonstrate some faster than than light,
which if we understand how the mechanics of that, then that may allow us
to build a machine or some sort of process to exceed the speed of light.
One of the things that some of the Russians towards and scientists playing to
have done is to use torsion generators to change the rate of time. M
it's like a like a primitive version of a time machine. I mean not
not really in the sense that it's not jumping a different times as you change
your speeding up or slowing down time. These two different components of torsion,
the right handed left handed torsion, appear to have opposite effects on the rate
of time. So you can fill a volume of space with one or the
other form of torsion and you can speed up or slow down time. And
there have been several papers about that. With a watch or clock in the
middle of the space, an equal identical clock outside, and then let them
run for a while and then see where they are. And the one inside
may run slower or faster depending on the kind of torsion you're filling a space
with. So that's pretty interesting experiment that might have applications. Yeah, and
that would help you with your book. You would be able to slow down
time to where you it feels like a long period of past and you can
finish your book on a day. I could really use that. That would
be very useful. That's what I would do, write ten stories in a
day. Sometimes it seems to work the other way. Yeah, yeah,
that sounds good. With this then sub quantum energy, and it also kind
of fits the GI idea and other of course indigenous people talking about this energy
being in everything, even star wars in the forest. But which then would
uh does that have there been experiment with actually trying to you said you would
they were affecting that radioactive material, But what about moving things? What about
what is that telekinesis Yeah, I'm trying to think if I've seen any good
experiments. I know, you know the most famous telekinesians experiments or the Princeton
pair lab experiments. They are on a much smaller scale, not as spectacular
as Obi wan kenobi, you know, knocking over you know, so robot
or something. And in the Princeton pair Lab they have little plottum devices basically
they call random event generators and they use pot of noise and electrons to create
a stream of ones and zeros that are random. They're equivalent of putting that
point very fast and counting your head and your tails. You know, if
you can track of them, and on the average you'll get the balance and
the equal numbers of heads and tails. If you ask someone to make it
go high and get more head tails or more one from zeros. The Princeton
pair Lab found that virtually anybody was able to do it, and of course
some people are better than others. But what's remarkable is that it doesn't matter
how far away you go. If you put these people a thousand miles from
the random event generator and they were just as good at making it go high
or low when requested. That's the really simple form of telekinesis not very impressive,
maybe because you have to process it by computer, but you get a
very high statistical accuracy, and you have to convince scientists that you're really looking
at a simple noise and odds against chance, because a skeptical scientist would say,
okay, yeah, you got it to go the way you tried,
you wanted to do that time, continue to do it again, and that's
where they come in, and that's a very reasonable question. What the Princeton
pair level found was yes, do it again and again and again, and
the odds against chance, the odds that these are real effects and not do
the random punctuations, because now the pair level has done so much data.
So I felt odds against chance of trillions to one, trillions to one that
this is a real effect, not a chance effect. So it's overwhelming.
If they're demonstrated, the k exists. Now some of the Chinese masters other
of other people who study this stuff, their whole lives develop amazing ability.
So you read uh the wonderful book by the UH, the Indian Yoki Yogananda.
He talks about growing up as the Yoki and the things he witnessed.
Uh. You know, there's some amazing things in there. The Chinese have
been researching some of their pastors, maybe the search and then the eighties to
find some of the people who were most able to create genermal phenomena. I
talk about that in volume one, and yeah there were one of One of
the people was named Jang Baojeng, who was famous for teleportation. UH.
He would the v P visitors would come over to come to their UH site
and he would cause a one hundred pounds sack of sugar to teleport to a
wall and people produ to being watching, and then the other experiments that would
do the radio transmitter we were teleporting from one place to another. They were
doing experiments on this stuff in the seventies and eighties, and they're in a
number of reports from bid visitors who were treated to the shows. They show
some of these people, and so I described some of those in my book,
and Paul Dong is a she dog master as writing sea Oh books about
some of those experiments. So if you look hard and find really able people,
you do find them. I'll give you one example. There's a professor
us a California system whos been doing research on this stuff, keeps from a
portion chigong from a very powerful master. One day, the class is coming
out of their lesson on the sidewalk in Los Angeles. A woman in the
class had her purse snatched at some guy again running down the street. Clout
inside the wall, and the master came out and saw what happened. In
the post people the class were all yelling at him. You know, that
guy's going a furse he has forty feet away and running fast and the master
looks like it hold out his hand, you know, just like just like
in Star Wars holds out his hand and the guy falls down. The balls
suddenly knock it up. The class saw thes over to him and they picked
up the purse and the master says, this can don't do that again.
Wow, And I you know, I heard this with one of the people
in the class. There's a professor in the University of California system, very
high integrity, that well known scientist. So you know, these things do
happen if you find the individuals specially well trained. This is See, this
is the kind of thing that I think is so exciting, and unfortunately I
don't think it's really made it into the mainstream because what you're talking about are
these subtle energies that theoretical physicists more than just yourself are starting to open up
to, and because they're starting to see that there are these things going on
and there have to be other mechanics behind it that we don't understand yet,
and we're seeing all these crazy things happening in quantum physics. So, like
you said, these ideas about these sub quantum type of energies and all of
this opens up these incredible possibilities that this amazing story you just described could possibly
be explained by science if we just understood those suntle that energies involved. Well,
that's why my second book Life Scientily basis so big, because I have
a lot of the experiments in there. We've got the graphs, we got
the references and everything else, so as scientists could go through that and learn
about these experiments. The same way with the first books and as Universe,
I try to put in the data, what's the evidence for these phenomena,
because most Qustian physicists never hear about these experiments. They don't know the stuff
exists. A lot of them have even been kind of brainwashed to not be
interested. They've been told all, it's a bunch of hogwash, you know,
it's just a bunch of you know, and so they don't even look
open mindedly or in a serious way to find what the evidence is. So
I try to put my books together in a way too. If someone does
have the courage to open and then read, they'll see, my god,
there's evidence that these things actually happen. Here's how it behaves. And then
they'll say, well, hey, we need the better theory, we need
a theory for this, and that's what's needed right now is you know,
I belong to an organization or I C I S S s ee M,
a subtle energy organization that looks at the scientists attle energy. Uh. They
on three different years they paid money to some of the top string theorists,
people like Brian Greene, Michel Kaku to come and talk. You know.
What they found is that these people know very little about subtle energy. They
don't read the journal articles about subtle energy or or Chi or Chi dong.
Uh. So they don't have access to the evidence. So they're working on
their theories. Assuming that Western physics already knows how the university a is,
they have to make a little bit better mathematical theory for it. And the
idea there's a whole other force that's been left now the Western's hasn't occurred with
them. Mhm. And But I mean, on on a positive note too,
talking about that I seem organization, it seems like there's a lot of
them Boulder. What's up with Boulder? That's where I went to university actually,
but because it's just an advanced place, I guess. But I mean
there's the Life and Mind Institute out there, which is I know, they've
gotten really involved with the Dalai Lama and it's a bunch of scientists, quantum
physicists starting to see similarities. And also an organization you belong to, the
Society for Scientific Exploration and there there are a bunch of scientists. I know
there's somewhat skeptical about UFOs although they talk about it. But they're very open
to some of these consciousness type of ideas, aren't they. They are a
lot of these are university professors up like Robert Shawn and Triniston Parallel Experiments is
one of the founders of the organization. And yeah, the reason they created
the s S is because they get resistance when they try to publish their papers
in the mainstream in its journals. Those journals just say, oh, we
don't we don't publish have kind of stuff, We don't want to know about
that, and we don't believe in it or whatever. And so they needed
a place where people can exchange information and talk about this. And the s
S is one of those wonderful organizations which is open minded, has real scientists
with good rigorous training in many cases, and yet they're open minded to these
controversial issues. And the UFOs was one of the topics covered in one of
the national meetings of the s SC a couple of years ago. So yeah,
it's very refreshing that at least they open that they about a four and
I think Peter Sturik started it right and he was an astronomer who was very
into UFOs and that was the main impetus I think they did create. Yep.
So are you then hopeful that uh, these that you putting out your
books about this and and uh some of these other scientists are getting involved.
Uh do you feel that your colleagues and scientists starting to move into this area.
Yes, it's a slow process that happens one at a time. You
know. It's I meet people every day who loved my books. They're very
grateful for them. It's including scientists. Uh so, but you know,
the numbers compared to a number of people who do a reach from the national
television show like Nova, which is it's a timely fraction. So it's a
slow it's a slow process because the main media still doesn't seem willing to carry
these messages. So uh, it's it's still basically we are teaching a course
now California in the Human Science Small College, uh Antyas, California. That's
taking my book of the textbook, you know. So energy medicine and these
these new discoveries are I think they're growing and they're more I think. I
think as Western medicine becomes too expensive and there's too many as a lot of
people just realize they can't afford it or it's not doing a good job.
And energy healers can do things that a doctor with a pill, you know,
can't do. Then that opens up people's minds. They start saying,
well, I have a vend who's an energy healer out in Missouri, you
know, and you work some people at thousands of miles away and they can
feel the energy, they feel the benefit from it. But then the next
question is how does that work? How could that possibly happen? How can
you explain it? And that's where it's good to have a book like that,
and that's where science starts to open up. But I think it's a
full process. Yeah, Bruce Lipton, that's the guy who is I was
thinking of the biology of belief where he talked about that Canute. But I
can see the pr problem though, too, is that it's very technical and
it's very difficult. There's not very many scientists. Mitchell O Kaku's one who's
good at translating to the layman these complicated scientific ideas. But I think it's
so interesting that hopefully if there's any documentary makers out there listening, I think
this is definitely something to tackle because it's worth it. It's demonstrating that there
is this slow movement to this and the benefits are incredible because if extraterrestrials,
civilizations and vans were now advanced, civilizations out there have mastered these subtle energies,
and it demonstrates how they can do things to us that would seem impossible.
There's a famous scientist at Chinese Science. I'm not sure I can pronounce
his name properly. He immigrated from the US back into the Nameland China back
in the eighties. It was a fun page story in Newsweek in time.
He was famous in the US. He was one of the founders of Jeffer
Paulson Laboratory. He went to China and became instrumental in leading their rocketry and
space program. He's one of the most distinguished though scientists in China and Aviation
Week in space technology. G Is has sloughted. You know how great scientists
he is. He looked at the on my website, I have the reference
to this quote. You look at this datas and his experiments I was mentioned
earlier from doctor jan Jin where he's changed for your activity and your active decay
rates and getting lay sabines and things like that with chi and basically he says,
yes, this is real and it's a genuine breakthrough. It's a revolutions,
it's a whole new area of visits. You know that this is a
point's here that has been opened up with this course and his new experiments,
and so it's it's an exciting time for people who would catch on that the
stuff is happening. So I think inevitably it's it's going to gain interest as
time goes on. Yeah, very exciting. And your website is synchronized you
verse dot com. That's where they can get your books and everything and read.
You've got a lot of material up there for people to look at and
experiment, and you're working on a third Berth book. Well, yeah,
Andrew, if you can't spell synchronized, the Americans spell it with a Z.
Well the English I think use an s right, So all you have
to is put put my name Claude Swanson in the Google and the website pops
up near the top of the list. Yeah, that's an easy way to
find a website. That's the way people do it these days. Anyway.
I know a lot of people. They don't even have the u url barkers.
They just google it. So Claude Swanson, Google pod Swanson. Yeah,
yep, exactly, all right, great, thank you so much.
You also have some lectures that you do around and other radio shows, and
they can get all of that information. But it's I've had the pleasure of
knowing you for quite some time and got to spend time. I knew you
before you move new of you, I should say, before you moved to
Colorado. So it's great to get to know you when you did move out
to Colorado. And it's always great to talk to you. So thank you
so much for joining the radio show. Thank you, Elejandro, Thank you
soon. All right, talk to you soon. Always wonderful to talk to
Claude Swanson. Next week, because we only got a few seconds. We've
got Lee Spiegel from the Huffington Post, the guy who's been writing about UFOs
and stuff. Cool guy. He's the one who helped me get my blog
over there, so I'm very excited to talk to him. So join us
next week. Talk to you letter people,