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Love hope. You welcome to Open
Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds

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Radio is a UFO news authority presenting
evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO

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phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro
Roja. Hello, it's Alejandro. And

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the kind gentleman who introduced me there, Bob Dean. I got to see

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him the other day because Richard Dolan
was doing a talk in town. It

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was a great talk and it was
a packed house. There was something like

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probably one hundred and fifty people there. Awesome, and it's at this place

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called the Advanced Technology Institute or something, which is pretty cool. Great room

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and everything so great. A lot
of cool people there, including Bob Dean

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you just heard right there, an
interesting fella and a friend of ours who

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lives not too far away in our
Tuki, a wonderful town to say the

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name of Hawatuki. So it was
wonderful to see everybody again. And Phoenix

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move On always does a great job. We have a great MoveOn group here.

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But unfortunately I have more bad news, and I hate having to bring

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the bad news to you. Although
you might know this already because there's been

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emails all over We've had it all
over our Facebook and everything. But unfortunately,

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just yesterday afternoon, Bud Hopkins,
the famous alien abduction researcher, passed

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away. So we have a bio
on our website. There's some bios all

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over the place that you can check
out, but our website we've got one

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and we've got links to others and
so you can check out. I noticed

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there's a lot of people posting YouTube
videos that they've had recently, and in

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fact, we're going to put one
together because we found some footage we have

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that I don't think anybody's seen before, so we're going to put those up.

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So I think it's going to be
better Hopkins month for the next month,

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remembering all of his work, and
he really was a pioneer. He

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wasn't the first alien abduction researcher,
but he was the first to really bring

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it to the public as an artist. Now, first he wasn't doing regressions.

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I mean, he was just doing
the investigation and writing about it.

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He got a lot of the people
though that do do regressions these days,

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into it. Doctor David Jacobs of
Van Smith wrote something about him, said

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he was instrumental in getting her involved
with that, and of course we've had

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her on the show and also John
mack So, which was really cool because

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John MAXs, you know, was
one of the most esteemed people in the

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field to investigate abductions. Whitley Streeber
also he helped Whitley Streeber with his encounters

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and really helped facilitate that happen.
So he was a big part of the

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whole alien abduction phenomena, researching it
and getting it going. He has a

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website, the Intruder's Foundation, which
is a nonprofit that he started to help

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out alien updectees and to also educate
the public on that. So of course

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there's a lot going on with Bud
Hopkins and that you'll be able to check

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out, and that you know,
our hearts go out to him and his

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friends. Leslie Keen, Peter Robbins
were very close to him for many years

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and I know that this is probably
very difficult for them, So go check

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out the website, go to the
Intruders Foundation and go, you know,

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send them your condolences and let them
know that you care. Other things going

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on, We're going to have today
a guest who is actually my very first

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guest of UFO Think Tank Radio.
My friend, physicist Claude Swanson. He

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is. He got his degrees at
MIT and at now I forget the other

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school. I think it was Penn
State. I'll have to look it up.

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I'll look it up for you guys. But anyway, he's worked at

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the Brookhaven Labs. He worked on
a lot of government projects for defense and

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theoretical physics, so trying to figure
out, you know, kind of the

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cutting edge stuff. And he's still
doing that. However, he noticed that

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the paranormal when he looked into it, was not only really noticed, there

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was a lot of scientific investigation and
to various parts of the paranormal. So

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he thought, if this is something
really going on, and physics is supposed

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to explain all of everything that goes
on, He's really tackled with theoretical ideas

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on how to explain to paranormal through
physics. So you know, you've allably

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heard a quantum physics, which is
kind of the study of the smallest particles,

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but going even further than that and
what's at the basis of everything.

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So this is going to be a
very interesting talk because we're going to talk

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about all of that and how it
relates to UFO technology and some of the

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things that we see in the UFO
field as well. So that's what's going

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on here on the show. One
thing I do want to mention, just

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to plug myself, but to thank
you all. First of all, think

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not just you all, but all
of the people that we interview. You

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know, some people say why do
you have that person on? And why

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do you have this person on?
But I think that we all need to

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be happy that there are people looking
into the paranormal, that you all are

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brave enough to come and to listen, but also that all of these people,

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even if you don't agree with them, there's plenty of people that I

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like and I colleagues, and I
don't believe exactly what they believe, but

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I think it's wonderful that they've been
brave enough to put all the time and

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the effort into actually researching the paranormal. So that's why we have such a

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wide range of of guests here,
and I think we all need to appreciate

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that. And the reason I bring
that up is because I kind of feel

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I'm excited about this new project.
Essentially, we're blogging for the Huffington Post

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because it's conventional media, and it's
exciting because they're posting my stuff on the

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paranormal up there and conventional media,
and I feel like I can help champion

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some of the work that all of
these people do. And if you're interested

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in this stuff, you know,
go check out my blog and comment on

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there and show people in the conventional
media that there are a lot of people

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out here that take this stuff very
seriously. And I hope to make arguments

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up there because it blogs our opinion, and my opinion is that a lot

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of this stuff should be taken seriously. So I'm trying to express that.

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But I'm real excited about that.
So that's something to go check out.

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But without further ado to get into
it, because I know Jason's got a

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lot of cool stuff. Let's check
out the ufone News. Jason is here

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to give it to us. You
looked scared for a minute. You don't

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have any good stuff. I always
have good stuff, I know, but

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don't hype it up too much,
Okay, I don't want to let anyone

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down. Oh you always deliver,
buddy, Thank you, sir. Greeting

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Zalahandro and hello everyone, Hello to
all of our wonderful listeners and viewers out

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there. Let's get into your UFO
newsbree from Monday, August twenty second,

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twenty eleven. Researchers at Pennsylvania State
University recently proposed a theory that suggests if

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extraterrestrials detected changes in Earth's atmosphere due
to increased greenhouse gas emissions, they might

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attack humans to protect other civilizations from
humanity's destructive actions. The thirty three page

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study, published in the journal Acta
Astronautica, is titled would contact like Extraterrestrials

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benefit or harm Humanity? A Scenario
Analysis, and it evaluates the potential risks

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of a hostile extraterrestrial encounter. Space
dot Com explains the most popular scenario presented

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in the paper, stating an extraterrestrial
civilization might notice our planet by detecting changes

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in the spectral signature of Earth the
light radiated by our planet and atmosphere caused

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by greenhouse gas emissions, and they
might frown upon our behavior. According to

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the International Business Times, media reports
about this new study frightened some of the

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general public, with headlines like NASA
report aliens may destroy humanity to protect other

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civilizations and NASA aliens may destroy humanity
over greenhouse gases. NASA was forced to

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quickly respond, clarifying that while one
of the paper's authors, postdoctoral student Sean

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Domigol Goldman, works at NASA headquarters, NASA was in no way involved with

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the study. NASA posted multiple messages
on Twitter addressing the issue with statements like

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yes, Strudge Report and Guardian News
are mistaken about alien report, it's not

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NASA research and again claims we released
a study about aliens are not true.

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Going even further to clipped the confusion, NASA posted a link to Gomago Goldman's

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blog, where he too would address
the confusion, stating, so here's the

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thing. This isn't a NASA report. It's not work funded by NASA,

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nor is it work supported by NASA. In other ways, he was just

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a fun paper written by a few
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have a NASA affiliation. Yeah,
it's sad they get it wrong because they

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didn't have to even just saying that
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and to write about some of this
speculation is still enough of a story.

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I mean, it's an interesting concept. It certainly is. You know

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that there are many ways the journalists
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if you want to hype it up
a bit, you can still mention

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NASA, but you know you need
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not NASA is saying this. And
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like Stanton Friedman and some of these
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have been pushing for a while.
I remember the conference in Russia,

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the SETI conference. They were talking
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we are just kind of crazy,
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So they would probably just kind of
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and see how things go. But
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new to him. If there really
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a ton of them, they probably
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we're at, or they once themselves
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too new, although I would see
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out. You know, oh,
for sure, the science class, let's

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go look at a civilization at this
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at this point, right, fly
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are funny. That's what they did
on Star Trek. Yeah, exactly,

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flew around and watched people. They
didn't They sometimes interfered, but they weren't

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supposed to. They tried not to. But sometimes, you know, Captain

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Kirk's his passion, he would fall
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woman that he just couldn't help himself. Well, it goes without saying,

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yeah, I completely, but Alejandro, you know that this really rubs me

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the wrong way. I have.
I have a strong distaste for this theme

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of pushing the hostile extraterrestrial concept on
people. That is all we hear about

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lately, all the television shows up, the specials they're putting on the Science

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Channel, Discovery. It's all about
alien attacks, all the movies, but

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it's negative image and scaring people about
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to economics, where a capital country, capitalist country, it's all about money.

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It's just like the news is all
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of thumb, and the news has
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and sure enough, that's what we
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then it translates over to UFOs,
over to every subject scare people, sharks,

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attack, bears, mall, you
know everything, you know, puppies

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bite ah. I mean, so
it's just all this scarce stuff because they

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feel it makes some money off of
it. Yet it just makes money,

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money, money, and that's all
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provided me with a segue to the
next story. Cool that is. One

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of the leading US economists says that
an alien invasion could fix the troubled economy.

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There we go. Paul Krugman,
new York columnist and Nobel Prize winner,

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presented this idea on the CNN show
GPS, hosted by Freed Zakira.

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Krugman stated, if we discovered the
space aliens were planning to attack, and

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we needed a massive build up to
encounter this space alien thread and inflation and

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budget deficits took secondary place to that
this slump would be over in eighteen months.

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He credited the idea to an episode
of the Twilight Zone where scientists baked

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and alien invasion to achieve world peace. But, as he explained, this

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time we needed in order to get
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was saying, it's already happening.
All of these alien movies. Alien attack

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movies are getting lots of viewers,
except for Cowboys and Aliens. I guess

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them too too good. But Paul's
doing good on DVD some of these others,

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so it's working. It's making some
money. Yeah, some of them

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work. You know, a lot
of these movies actually do well. But

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you know, like you said,
Cowboys and Aliens and then like Mars Needs

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Mom, Yeah, I think they're
too good disappointments and yeah, but the

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merps they got to be with alien
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they can I only count them as
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here, so they must be.
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the story about the them trying to
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the planet. I think that's closer
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that a lot of them are at
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they are kind of like like we
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what should we do? Some of
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Do we need to contain them?
You know? Same kind of thing.

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So that may be like, you
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do we do with this whole thing? Has it posted to just it makes

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more sense than I think, coming
and destroying just for the hell of it,

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right, But movies don't have to
make sense alle hundro. Yeah,

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Good's true. Well. In other
news, the UK National Archives released another

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batch of UFO files a couple weeks
ago, and we talked about that,

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which marked the eighth batch of the
formerly classified documents to be released to the

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public. These latest files, like
previous release files, indicate the government's lack

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of interest in investigating UFO, setting
reports. At least that was the perception

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of the Ministry of Defense was trying
to create. Nick Pope, who was

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the desk officer in charge of the
mods UFO files, recently told the Huffington

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Post was abundantly clear from these files
is that while in public, we were

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desperately pushing the line that this was
of no defense interest. But he goes

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on to state, we were telling
the public we're not interested, this is

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all nonsense, but in reality we
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this up in great detail, Pope
divulged and insiders look at the government's game

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of misleading people. He revealed one
tactic used with the downplay UFO reports by

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referring to witnesses as UFO buffs or
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They additionally used terms like little green
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seem silly, which would hopefully reduce
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story. When Pope was with the
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with the policy of deception. He
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open government and freedom of information.
I believe that the UFO phenomenon does raise

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important defense, national security and air
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any initiative on that, I'm deeply
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the Huffington Post story, and it
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un thing we've had. Antonio On
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in our magazine, and Les Spigo
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of that together, and he was
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how the UK really was trying to
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Gary from Gerrit Carey from Grenada who
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it's kind of funny that he was
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and then he speaks with Nick Pope
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although he said Nick Pope did tell
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can't really blame me because I was
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website, such as during the Ralph
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wrote those letters. We actually confirmed
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those guys who wrote one of those
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don't worry about it. Yeah,
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on our website. And our video
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and you appear in the video alle
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you look like crap, But I'm
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fun video. So we have that. Because I didn't have my new glasses,

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I know, new glasses, so
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Open mindsot TV. And then there
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Whoa maybe. Viewers of Channel four
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sixteenth when they observed the UFO zooming
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an interview with British politician Tom Watson. According to the Metro, viewers called

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the television station to report the strange
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screen before darting in a flash.
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of seconds and it is difficult to
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by the UFO and the video makes
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another bird gliding through the London sky
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question, but that is speculation on
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unidentified and will likely remain so.
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so challenging is that the channel for
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a green screen with the London video
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that the London scene with the UFO
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and unless the television station knows exactly
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option of contacting local air traffic controllers
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the sky at that particular time,
you don't have that luxury. But again,

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the object is most likely a bird. Yeah, it goes so fast,

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it's hard to tell. It's kind
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that's for sure. But if it
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probably be a bird, you know, diving because it's like it's die bombing.

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it's just kind of diving, right, unless it's something health and it

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certainly could be. Yeah, we
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knows no idea. I've had an
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another UFO on video or UFOs,
multiple UFOs in the sky your stance at

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Airport in Essex, England were captured
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to London. The incident allegedly occurred
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before BBC journalist Mike Sewell reported a
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UFOs in the video are bright orbs
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above the M eleven motorway at tremous, tremendous speeds, and according to the

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Sun, former Ministry of Defense UFO
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assuming it's genuine, it's one of
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seen in a long time. And
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I question whether or not they actually
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think they went through their stock Nick
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he said that a couple of months
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but about a video, because I
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Pope and the questionable Oh yeah.
But anyway, while the orbits of light

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seeing in this video can easily be
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necessarily mean that this particular video is
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up red flags with this video is
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you listen to it, if you
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you can tell that the audio in
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different audio tracks. In the left
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supposedly is coming from the car stereo, but you don't hear anything else.

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It's just just move music. And
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people in the car, a man
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was like a music overaly for effect? Or is it definitely attempting to seem

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like music from the radio. It's
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put in unless you did it really
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noise. Yeah, and that the
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there's a lot of I don't know, it seems like there's a lot of

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reverb, reverb like they're in a
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You know, those are good points
and you've worked in the music industry,

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and so that's why the International Business
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expert. It's a quotable opinion.
Yeah. Well, all one hundred.

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That is all the news I have
for today. Everyone. Remember to check

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out all these stories we talked about
and many many more at openminds dot tv,

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your source for UFO related news.
I'm Jason McClellan. You're UFO News

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guy, and I have just briefed
you. Back to you, Alejandro,

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Thank you, UFO news. Dude. Do you like dude or do you

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like guy? I like that guy. I like dude correspondent. We use

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often. I guess it depends on
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throughout the day. That variety is
good anyway, Absolutely, well, continue

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with the variety, my friend.
All right, thank you very much,

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dude guy correspondent. All right.
Some of the other stories that we have

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up here on the site, we
did cover one of the more spectacular uk

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UFO files cases that's in there now. This is a case that we've known

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about for quite some time, and
in fact, the witness, Ray Bauer,

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was a pilot and in April April
twenty three, two thousand and seven,

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he was flying. He kind of
flies around these islands, the Channel

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Islands, which are in the English
Channel. I had to add that because

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of as American urn familiar with the
area out there, so he's an island

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hopper. And actually one time he
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he saw an object that was above
these clouds because there was some low laying

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haze, and he at first thought
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the clouds, and he thought,
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not like getting to the ground.
So he checked it out in his binoculars

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and it was this huge cigar shaped
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of darkness on the right hand side. Then he noticed one behind it.

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At first he thought maybe it was
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thirty seven. Later on though,
thinking about it, and then with the

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radar information, he deducted that this
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a mile wide. And that's right, you heard me correctly, radar information,

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because radar from the ground did pick
up this object, and they confirmed

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that with him while he was in
the air, asking the Tower of what

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was going on and if they had
seen this thing. Well, they told

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him that the object they were picking
up was past the island that he was

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going to land on, so he
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worried because as they got closer,
of course they could see these things were

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bigger and bigger. But he was
able to land before they got to the

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objects because he didn't really want to
fly near the mine. Had a crew

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full of a cabin full of passengers, but he says the passengers started getting

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scared that he can hear them saying, what is that? Oh my gosh,

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you know, And when they got
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what did you see? And they
described the same thing to him that he

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had seen, and in fact,
some of them even talked to the media,

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so pretty good case. Then a
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when he talked to the tower that
there was another plane that had also seen

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these UFOs that was up there.
So this plane was flying doing this same

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thing from island to island, and
they heard the radar tower say they had

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gotten unknown on radar, and so
he looked to see if he could view

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this thing also, and he did. Now he only viewed it for a

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minute because it was at a different
angle, and then he went behind some

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clouds and couldn't see it anymore.
But he described the same thing, a

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large cigar shaped object that was glowing
and yellow. So two pilots, radar

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passengers all saw this thing. And
doctor David Clark, who is one of

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the people who helps the UK National
Archives with these files and he writes about

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UFOs and things, he even talked
about how this is one of the most

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mysterious cases that the UK has on
file. Doctor or the pilot. Ray

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Brower actually spoke a few months later
in November of two thousand and seven at

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the Washington National Press Club with an
event that was put together by Leslie Keene

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and James Fox for his documentary Out
of the Blue, and where they had

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gotten a lot of people together,
some general's commanders. They had General Debauer

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there, They had General Bermudez from
Chile there. This is the same General

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Bermudez, by the way, who's
going to be at the UFO Congress this

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year. He is running the Chile
UFO Study Group, official Air Force UFO

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Group in Chile, so he's going
to be at our conference to talk about

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that, but they had a lot
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and Ray Bauer was one of those
witnesses, so it's a really good

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case. So I wrote more details
about that because these uk UFO files had

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the official forms signing forms that were
filled out by the witnesses, so you

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can see their drawings of what they
saw and everything, and you can see

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the official response and essentially the UK
said, well, that wasn't a primary

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radar, so they might not have
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the object seemed to be in French
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it's not really our problem. Of
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words, but close to it.
You can see their exact wording in the

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file in the article section. So
that was another UKUFO story that we covered.

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All of those stories that Jason talked
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the new video that we put up
with other cases and other statements that are

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very credible on the UK file,
So very interesting files. However, let

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us get to our guest today,
because this is a great one we have.

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Like I said before, doctor Claude
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you know what. Let me see
if I have here which we're guy.

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It agrees, because I Mit and
Princeton see pretty cool stuff. This guy

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really knows what he's talking about,
and I think he's just so terribly interesting.

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So let's get him on the phone. I'm very happy to be talking

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once again to my good friend Claude
Swanson. Clode, are you on the

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phone? I am Hyaljandro. Hello, So it sounds like you never take

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a break. You just finished your
gigantic second book. And gigantic in words,

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but in size. I mean it's
like a larger than normal. It's

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kind of what eight and a half
by eleven almost, and and thick pages

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references, Wow, one hundred and
fifty figures. When I was on the

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George Norrich show, he said they
brought it up stairs to him in a

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forklift. Yeah, it's definitely a
big one. But I remember how long

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you've been working on it. It
took about seven years. What happened?

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Synchronized Universe, New Science of the Paranormal,

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and I was really interested in trying
to look at phenomena and don't get

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our current science things that really current
science cannot explain and sometimes people put forward

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theories that they might claim explain them, but they really don't. So I

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wanted to look at the real evidence
in the first book or out of body

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experiences and are remote viewing and esp
and psychokinesis and you know, near death

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experiences, levitation things like that,
and first of all, say, well,

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what's hard evidence? Is it persuasive? These things are real? And

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I concluded, yes, they are
real. And in the last chapter of

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the book, I've proposed a the
outline of a theory, but how we

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could change our current science to begin
to account for those things. And that

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was the synchronized universe model that gave
rise to the book and the website.

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And really that leads very naturally to
the idea of parallel dimensions parallel realities,

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and it explains how things can travel
faster than light, how they can pass

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two walls. You know, all
the strange things that you see in the

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UFO cases are also all in the
same category as paranormal phenomena, so that

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same theory applies to both. So
that was pretty cool. And then the

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second book is trying to go deeper
and say, well, what is the

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force that shows up what makes it
possible for the physics to be different in

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paranormal cases, in UFO cases.
And what I concluded there is is what

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the Chinese called chia. It's the
lifeboard, and it's been known for thousands

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of years, but it's not part
of the Western science. So I've pulled

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together all the hard evidence a mind
for how this force behaves and then try

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to develop the theory. But it's
an hotline of the theory for how they

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can expand our current science to include
chi and include the strange things that you

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see in energy medicine, energy healing, psychic phenomena and UFO cases. So

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that's it was. It just took
that long. And what was surprising for

408
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:41.559
me, Alejandro, is that I
discovered for a whole lot of pieces of

409
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the puzzle that I did not know. We're so far along. Things like

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the acupunctual meridians of the body have
been photographed, they've been proven biophoton work

411
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in Germany, a lot of different
pieces of the puzzle for a newer understanding

412
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of how we live, what a
living being really is. There's a holographic

413
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matrix of energy that determines how we
grow, how we heal, and it's

414
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also essential in how we communicate,
how esp is possible, things like that.

415
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So there's a big book because a
lot of new discoveries that put in

416
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the book. It's interesting, you
know, you bring in the ancient stuff

417
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because it seems as though there are
other scientists, and especially people like yourself,

418
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theoretical physicists, who are starting to
learn that the more sophisticated our understanding

419
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of science and how the world works, the more how the ancient and some

420
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of these indigenous and Asian old Asian
type of cultures and the ways start to

421
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make sense and they start to be
able to be explained by this new science.

422
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:08.440
Well, you know, our Western
medicine is very dependent on chemistry and

423
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:15.720
drugs and surgery and processes that are
fairly harsh to the body and in cutting

424
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:22.160
and sewing and things like that,
and chemicals that are not natural to the

425
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:29.039
body. When you ask yourself,
well, how do other societies manage the

426
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:34.279
process of health, maintenance and healing, they have a different method of the

427
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:40.400
older societies in many many cultures around
the world, but them as of Hawaii,

428
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:47.519
the indigenous peoples of Siberia and Russia, Native Americans, there's so many

429
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:55.319
places have shaman or some equivalent of
shaman who does spiritual practices and energy medicine

430
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:01.960
practices and some of those book and
now in America, you know, we're

431
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.679
seeing the fruits of the way we
live, eating too much food, of

432
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:14.599
exercise, too much sugar, too
much caffeine, too much stress, and

433
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:21.119
it's starting to have effects on our
body that Western medicine is not able to

434
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:27.239
handle very well. And some of
these more traditional, older fashioned techniques are

435
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.960
actually quite good at it. Because
the Chinese, for example, their medicine

436
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.000
is four thousand years old, their
medicine, and this podified by the so

437
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:43.519
called Yellow Emperor one D several thousand
years ago, and they put together the

438
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principles and the basic idea is that
we are a balance of energies in the

439
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body. Of those energies govern how
we grow, how we yield. When

440
00:34:55.320 --> 00:35:00.239
we in health, we have to
have a balance of these different given in

441
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:06.320
the different forces of energy. And
the job of the position is to keep

442
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.679
you well, not to hear you're
going to get sick, although that's part

443
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.440
of it. But you should take
a balance and you don't get sick.

444
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:17.119
And that's the right revolutionary idea for
us. Right we don't have to learn

445
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.360
to learn from those societies. Well, you know, I thought I at

446
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:29.760
one point for relaxation and things like
that, I really got into meditation for

447
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:35.159
a while. And when I really
found mostly partially because just like a lot

448
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:39.719
of us, I was an emotional
storm. You know, I was like,

449
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:44.480
I shouldn't be getting so upset and
so emotional about all these things that

450
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.880
I get upset about because it's silly, and so I wanted to calm myself.

451
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.000
So I got into meditation and over
the time, and I thought,

452
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.480
there's no way I'm going to be
able to most people feel this way.

453
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:59.960
There's no way I can silence myself
and balance myself. But I figured,

454
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.880
you know what, at least even
if I take little baby steps, it's

455
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.679
better than nothing. Over time,
I did find that I could, Uh,

456
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.519
it's kind of exponential. I could
balance myself. And then I discovered

457
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.840
that I was getting sick less.
And when I would get sick, I

458
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.280
would meditate, which is essentially just
relaxing, teaching yourself how to relax,

459
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.679
and I would get over those sicknesses. And I tell people at work and

460
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.679
they kind of laugh and tease me, but they see that it's true.

461
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.119
I mean, I don't get sick, and if I do, I'm able

462
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.559
to chill out and get rid of
it really quick. And it's a simple

463
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.320
act of chilling out. And then
I learned that, you know, this

464
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.719
isn't such a strange idea, even
to some physicists and some therapists out there

465
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.360
and biologists who are talking about,
yeah, the stress is what's really making

466
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:54.800
us sick. Yeah, absolutely,
And what was being learned about the body,

467
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.719
you know, and you know the
book Life Force is the mechanisms the

468
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:07.679
body uses to seal and to make
these repairs of the whole actfunctional system of

469
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:15.320
the body is actually a network of
tubules that have recently been discovered, they

470
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say, been photographs. Of course, you know, this is the tradition

471
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:22.159
in Chinese medicine for thousands of years. But in the last few years they've

472
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:30.239
been traced to a whole new circulatory
system, independent of blood, independent of

473
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.920
nerves, independent of all the other
systems of the body. It's not included

474
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.119
in the western anatomy books. I
have a daughter who has just got a

475
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:43.320
Blogg University of Virginia a couple of
years ago. Since working it gives me

476
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:49.039
she didn't believe the acpunction meridians existed. I showed her photographs, you know,

477
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:53.039
and in China and in Korea they've
done a lot of hard research to

478
00:37:53.159 --> 00:38:01.480
show that these Merindians carry signals throughout
the body to tell the DNA that's kind

479
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.559
of pattern it's supposed to be making. So it carries information about what your

480
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.800
liver is supposed to look like,
how the DNA and your fingernail is supposed

481
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.599
to make a certain kind of tissue, while the DNA and some other parts

482
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.880
of the body makes some up kind
of tissue. It's a communications system that

483
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:28.039
actually carries holographic information because of a
three D pictorial kind of pattern information it's

484
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:34.400
carrying the agupuncture system, and it's
not working right. The signals get messed

485
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.840
up a little bit and get a
little quite enough of a certain FOP disease,

486
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:42.039
you get anields at a certain time. Of what they bind is that

487
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:47.960
in the agricultural meridians are also certain
kind of cells, I don't know what

488
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:55.679
you called stem cells, which can
actually turn themselves into the right kind of

489
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.079
tissue is needed. So if you
deliver or your skin or something, he

490
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:08.800
helps as eventually the the acupunction relia
can carry cells that point. So if

491
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:16.360
this energy just chi also appears to
be essential to understanding esp and psychic phenomena,

492
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:22.920
and it may explain how craft can
travel faster than LFE as well.

493
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:29.119
So it may have a lot of
interesting clues to a better understanding of some

494
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.440
of the pusban phenomena that right now
we can really explain. So key or

495
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:39.159
this energy then is how does the
human body relate to that? I mean,

496
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.800
is this energy generated by us somehow
is does it have to do with

497
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:53.360
electromagnetic forces or something? What is
it? What do you think? Well,

498
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:59.599
it looks some of the most interesting
work has been done in Russia.

499
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.280
I started in the nineteen fifties,
a man named Nikolai Kazarev. He called

500
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it portion. But it's the same
energy, and they all acknowledge this.

501
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:15.440
Now they would the Russians would say, it's essentially caused by skin. Every

502
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.960
elementric particle in electrons, protons,
neutrons, they all have a spin.

503
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.440
They all spin around some axis in
the same way the Earth spins around the

504
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.840
North pole. They all have a
spin axis. Now, when that skin

505
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:34.599
axis changes, they say that creates
the torsion wave. And so this is

506
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:40.840
an elementary kind of force that actually
compagates through space and carries that spinning property

507
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.599
with it. That and there's a
left handed and a right handed version of

508
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:51.400
this energy, the same as with
Chinese medicine. There's a yen and ea

509
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:58.239
to different polarities of skin, and
they carry opposite qualities. So a whole

510
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.880
is it appear should have been work
felt by the Russians for how this force

511
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:09.519
behaves and when last most and Peristroica
happened in the early nineties, and that

512
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:15.480
the Russian Empire dissolved when they released
all their client states, the scientists who

513
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:21.760
are working on this suddenly found that
they were now permitted to publish their papers,

514
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.760
and they also discovered they had no
funding anymore. So there were a

515
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.719
flood of papers that came out of
Russia during that time period about this subject.

516
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:37.159
It is the primary bulk of research
we have available today in the West

517
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:43.000
to deal with. But it does
point to a hard science that seems to

518
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:50.559
underline the force. And how did
that science then get lost, because really

519
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:55.400
it seems it did get lost because
we're not using it today. Well,

520
00:41:55.519 --> 00:42:01.719
I think any new science takes time
to get accepted. There are always I

521
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:07.280
mean, you can meet Thomas Coon's
you know, structure of scientific revolution,

522
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.199
or you can just look back in
the history of them. We're having a

523
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:15.719
Galileo when he discovered gravity and some
of the early laws of gravity. Uh.

524
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.679
There were other groups that had their
own opinions. The Church followed Aristotle.

525
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.079
Aristotle and told them a different cet
of rules. When Galileo came along,

526
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.360
they suggested it. They didn't want
Galileo's new theory. They felt that

527
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:36.480
it was a sacrilege, and they
asked him, do you want to you

528
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:37.800
know, do you want to publish
your theory? And if you do,

529
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.719
you get the rack, you know, you get a choice fear, and

530
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.400
he chose not to take the rac
and to we can't and you know,

531
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:52.719
so it's always been a challenge the
new ideas come along today. I mean,

532
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:57.280
in Western science we have you know, millions of people going to school

533
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.840
learning the Western standard physics. When
I was in college, you take the

534
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.400
standard E and M. Course,
you're run the theory. Then you go

535
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.199
into the lab and you do the
experiments and they come out just the way

536
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.119
the textbook said they would. Okay, well, of course you're doing the

537
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:19.800
experiments the textbook told you to make. They're not looking at other strange things

538
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.960
like skins or things like that,
so you don't see anything anomalous, and

539
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:32.119
most physicists believe that that's the whole
story. In fact, the torsion force,

540
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.559
it's kind of weak. It's much
fat to the lectum magnetism, and

541
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.159
it often is masked by other effects
like temperature, so it's a little bit

542
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:47.639
hard to see. But in Russia
it appears as though a very serious research

543
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.880
program, government supported went on for
several decades. And there are some papers

544
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.480
that I talk about in my book, and I described the experiments in some

545
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:06.719
care that are so me the primary
building block, the primary foundation for you

546
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:13.920
diste science. And one of the
interesting things about this force is I'll be

547
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.880
an example of an experiment the Russians
did, and they found that a lot

548
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:23.039
of different materials respond to this force. You know, we we weekly,

549
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.519
but enough so you can use it. And they made a little detector for

550
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:34.440
porson and they used tungsten resistors you
know, what's called wheatstone bridge and they

551
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:39.239
can detect torsion very weakly. You
look at the focus of a telescope and

552
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:44.320
aim it at the sun, and
the sun goes overhead. Even when you

553
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:46.519
block out all the light and all
the heat, energy and everything else,

554
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:52.079
they found that there was still something
coming from the Sun and they were able

555
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:57.199
to see it with this telescope.
The interesting thing about their experiment is they

556
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.719
didn't see the Sun at just one
place in the sky. When we look

557
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:06.679
up with the sky, we're looking
with our visible optical sensors, our eyes.

558
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.159
We see the Sun at a certain
place in the sky. It's where

559
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:15.760
it was about eight point three minutes
ago when the light left the Sun and

560
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:22.239
travel toward the Earth. Okay,
were delayed effect, and that's where the

561
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:27.320
Sun appears to us in the sky. What the Russians saw is three places

562
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.480
in the sky where the Sun appeared
when looked at through torsion. There's the

563
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:36.840
delayed or it's called the retarded position, which is the normal way we see

564
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:42.000
the Sun. They also saw a
net position, which corresponds to a signal

565
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:47.000
that traveled at infinite steed, there
was no time delay in the second signal.

566
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:52.679
They also saw a third They also
saw a third signal, which is

567
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.800
where the Sun would be if light
traveled backwards in time or left the telescope

568
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.039
went to the sun. So that's
a really strange one. They saw these

569
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:07.920
three spots in the sky. Now
the third spot, I don't quite get

570
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:13.880
you there at okay, uh at
backwards time? Oh as if the light

571
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:20.280
So in other words, the same
distance as the retarded one from the actual

572
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:25.360
but in back in time. Yeah. So that the central point is the

573
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:31.320
instantaneous point. Gotcha. Then that
the one the retarded or the normal one.

574
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.840
We would say he's on one side
of that and the advanced one is

575
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.239
on the other side of that.
Gotcha. Wow, that's very frequent.

576
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:44.840
Yeah. So it says that this
tourision signal is unusual in that it has

577
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.480
elements to travel faster than light and
in fact that they go backwards in time.

578
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:58.280
Uh So it's a really strange course. But the neat thing is that

579
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:06.159
it's right what people see in psychic
phenomena. There are experiments for example,

580
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:12.199
well we'll take remote viewing for example, and the remote viewing it doesn't matter

581
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.800
whether you're trying to see a target. It's in the past or in the

582
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:21.840
future, or in the presence too. Mcmonagle says his accuracy is sixty five

583
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:27.559
to eighty percent for all three in
the past president and future targets. We

584
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.840
you know, I think with our
site courses in remote viewing, we would

585
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.639
look at targets sixty five million years
ago, the destruction of the dinosaurs,

586
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.039
and you know, we've got quite
good results in terms of you know,

587
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:44.679
I saw something in the fireball of
something coming out of the sky and it's

588
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.559
all these little figures looking up at
it. I mean the whole thing,

589
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:51.800
and you know I was able to
name the target. In remote viewing,

590
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.840
you never told what the target is. It's a psychic process. It's a

591
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:02.000
systematic process that makes it easier to
do because you get your conscious mind out

592
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.960
of the way. And so it's
an example where time doesn't matter. The

593
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:15.119
Princeton Pair Lab for thirty years protected
hundreds of thousands of experiments on psychic phenomena

594
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:22.000
esp. Psychokinesis, things like that, and they found that time doesn't matter.

595
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:27.480
So you can send or re see
if the signal backward or forward in

596
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.800
time, which is totally unlike the
forces of physics that we're used to,

597
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:37.519
but it's very much like the way
torsion behaves. So they have the answer

598
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:43.480
to what the force is. It
explains paranormal phenomena. So do you believe

599
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:50.320
that we perhaps have our sixth sense
would be a sense of torsion, and

600
00:48:50.400 --> 00:49:00.599
somehow we're using torsion to be able
to be psychic. Yeah, I think

601
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.800
so. I mean, experiments have
been done with people, just average people.

602
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.440
You put them in a lab,
wire up the brains, the brain

603
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:14.559
waves, you know, the EEG
measurement, and you send them a psychic

604
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.880
message. We well, first of
all, they'll do an experiment, a

605
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:22.480
play a tone like a musical note, and they'll watch how the brainwaves respond.

606
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:27.159
Then they'll send a psychic message.
Now the person's in an isolation booth,

607
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.039
there's no idea that someone's trying to
send a psychic message, but the

608
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:35.960
brain waves respond much the same way
as when you hear a tone. In

609
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.079
other words, the brain waves basically
say I'm getting a signal. Okay.

610
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:45.719
Now, consciously, the person has
no idea he's getting a signal, but

611
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:52.159
his brain waves are showing at the
subconscious level he received a psychic message.

612
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.719
So we probably all have the reception
machinery built into us. And what's really

613
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:02.119
the problem for most people is our
conscious minds are chattering all the time.

614
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:08.719
We're always we learn in school,
left brain processes and memorization, adding,

615
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:17.280
subtracting things like that, analyzing the
trickiest, quiet that part of the mind.

616
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.119
That's where meditation comes in. That's
where ignosis can be helpful. When

617
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:28.840
you quiet that chattering mind, then
you constructors listen to those messages as a

618
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:32.119
subconscious is receiving. So I think
we all have the machinery. M hm

619
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:39.880
wow. And so you talked about
how they were able to measure torsion with

620
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:46.719
a device. If torsion I know
with willhem Reich for instance, he used

621
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:52.760
devices. Uh, he believed he
could create oregone and what he you know,

622
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:57.480
his version of the G Then can
electronic devices could we build them?

623
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.320
Can we build like a torsion TV
where we can tune into some of this

624
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:06.679
stuff? We might we might be
able to I'm not. I can't say

625
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.360
we we can't until we do.
But what what I've described in the book.

626
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.960
I have a couple of chapters on
the torsion science and on devices that

627
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:22.679
have been built which they claim work
or communication. We're sending signals through wave

628
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:30.800
guides or broadcast through the air,
and you know they penetrate materials that would

629
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:37.760
be would reflect as the magnetic signals
and they travel a lot faster potentially.

630
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:44.800
So it's you know, we're talking
about the very early stages of a new

631
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.599
science. It's like you're talking to
Michael Faraday, you know, back when

632
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:55.000
he just invented electricity or just discovered
our electromagnet work, even before uh Maxwell

633
00:51:55.039 --> 00:52:00.199
came along with his equations, and
you're asking, you're asking him, well,

634
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:01.920
you know, what good is it? What could you do with it?

635
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.119
Well, it turns out a member
of parliament did ask Faraday that exact

636
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.800
question, what good is electricity?
What good is what good is it?

637
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.920
And Paraday's answer was, well,
sir, someday you will be able to

638
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:23.280
tax it. With the early stages
here, but I will not be surprised

639
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:29.599
if there are many amazing developments along
the way. With the communication device that

640
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:35.000
was built, was it then able
to uh communicate faster than any sort of

641
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:40.440
radio wave, like an instantaneous type
of communication. That is what the fragmentary

642
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:45.840
papers and reports so we have from
the Russians indicate that yes, it will

643
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.719
be able to travel faster the life. There's not a lot of detail on

644
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.039
a lot of this stuff, or
if there is, it's in Russian,

645
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.639
and then there's lots stuff and translated. So you know, what we have

646
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.400
is the tip of the iceberg.
But that's what it looks like. Now,

647
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.559
are there any labs out there working
on torsion now that you know of

648
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.039
I don't know of it. I
don't know about it. If they are,

649
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:15.440
I would imagine, so it seems
fool is to overlook it. But

650
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.599
I don't know about any the government
as far as I know, in the

651
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.199
National Science Foundation, we don't give
grands to do research on it. So

652
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:30.639
in America it's been pretty much poo
food in the mainstream science. There were

653
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.800
a couple of Russians, not Russian
scientists, but a couple of Russians who

654
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:42.559
wrote articles on the web that debunked
it. And in public American science it

655
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.119
seems like it's been decided that,
oh, it's just a bunch of hui,

656
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:50.039
and just don't we'll even touch it, you know, But if you

657
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.360
start looking into it, there are
an enormous number of Russian Russian scientists but

658
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:58.400
worked on this for decades. Wow. In fact, if you go back,

659
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:04.559
go back to the classic book Psychic
Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain by Ostrander

660
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:09.079
and Schroeder. That was written in
nineteen seventy country aout nineteen seventy before I

661
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:15.320
was forty years ago, and they
interviewed this man, Nikolai Posrev, who

662
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:22.880
discovered torsion in the fifties, So
in the late sixties when they are over

663
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.480
there, they're in his lab.
They're in his lab at an observatory in

664
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.519
Russia, and he's doing his experiments
right in front of them and showing them

665
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:35.559
how these things work, and they're
describing it, and it's the most amazing

666
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:40.599
thing. You know, there's no
chance and this is somebody trying to mislead

667
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:47.280
anybody. So the probabilities of this
is a genuine, real science and it's

668
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.519
a real phenomenon and it's hard to
believe it's not being researched somewhere. So

669
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:58.360
yeah, if I can get the
money, would you help me will open

670
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:06.239
up Swanson torsion Lab. Yes,
this whole thing running, Well, let's

671
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:10.519
talk about that offline. Yeah,
that would be amazing. I mean,

672
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:15.760
it seems like something that needs to
be picked up. And as far as

673
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:23.119
let's see with this sort of torsion, it's similar to TI you had said,

674
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:29.480
and I know you had talked about
different Chinese experiments that they had done

675
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:35.400
that were pretty advanced and had some
yeah, incredible, that's what the result.

676
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.719
That was one of the things that
got me involved in the first place

677
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:44.800
because I met an energy healer back
in the eighties mite Girpus, who was

678
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:50.920
a Polish immigrant who was quite gifted
and energy healing, and up until that

679
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:57.800
time, my impression about most of
these strange phenomena is that they're very elusive

680
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.199
to come and they go and reliable, and so it's hard to do research

681
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:07.440
on him because they're so weak.
But Mitech was an energy healer who when

682
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.639
he worked on you, you could
feel the energy. You know, he

683
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:14.840
never touched anybody. He's always several
feet away, but you felt, you

684
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:19.760
know, you felt the shift.
You felt something better and more energetic and

685
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.400
healthier and happier after he worked on
you. And one thing I noticed is

686
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:29.199
that he would breathe. He would
breathe in a funny kind of way inhaling

687
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:35.400
and exhaling his breath. The Hindus
called his kanayama. He's a Yoga method

688
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:39.440
of breathing. And what they say
is you're building up chi in your body.

689
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:44.320
You have a concentration of chi,
and that's when it gives you the

690
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:49.719
ability to do these things. So
that was I guess maybe so the origin

691
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.239
of some of his research. What
the Chinese have been doing in recent years

692
00:56:53.840 --> 00:57:01.199
is studying these masters scientifically. They've
discover or facilities. They call them chikong

693
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:06.840
masters. They build up chi in
their body, they can move it around,

694
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.480
they can project it out of the
acupuncture points. Often they used the

695
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:15.559
hand as a place where they would
commit this chi and they can send it

696
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.119
to somebody else and you can view
it when whether it lands, when it

697
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.960
hits you. It is a form
of healing. It's also used in some

698
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:30.760
forms of martial arts. So what
the Chinese government has been doing is doing

699
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:37.239
research scientifically in the lab with some
of these people to see what happens,

700
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.800
what are the effects of chieve,
and how it behaves. There was one

701
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.400
great master, I think it's so
alive after Yan Xin, who in the

702
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:55.039
nineteen eighties began research with the Scientific
National Physics Institute in China and they did

703
00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:00.000
a series of experiments with them.
They would do things like you have a

704
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:07.239
radioactive material like amuritium, which gives
off alpha particles periodically, and you know,

705
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:13.440
for the materials that have a long
half life, they decay slowly,

706
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:17.119
and therefore we watched them decay.
But it's a pretty much it's a standard

707
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:21.719
rate. We don't know how to
change that rate of decay very much.

708
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:27.760
But they would ask the chigong master, can you affect how fast it decays?

709
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.480
And he would say would okay,
Well, see if you could be

710
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.719
increase it, and he would increase
it, and they would go off maybe

711
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:37.760
ten twenty percent faster decay. They
would say, okay, okay, now

712
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:42.360
see if you can decrease the decay. It would decrease several percent. They

713
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.440
say, okay, now let's see
how a distance factors in. And he

714
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:52.199
would go away from the experiment by
a thousand miles. We asked him to

715
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:58.880
do the same thing and it would
still work. Okay, that's pretty amazing.

716
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.519
They did the same type of experiment
with laser beams. Bending lasers.

717
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:08.199
Uh. You can change the structure
of water. This is one This is

718
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:14.840
one thing many healers are able to
do by sending their chi energy into the

719
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:20.400
water. It changes the water bonding
between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms of the

720
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:28.159
volecule. You can measure this on
a certain type of lab procedure called Raman's

721
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:32.159
pectroscopy. It will show you how
the bonding has changed from the CHI.

722
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:38.159
So lots of experiments have been done
and China has been one of the leaders.

723
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:45.480
They've also shown that you heal from
cancer surgery, things like that faster

724
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:52.800
after chi dong after receiving a dose
of CHI. So lots of interesting stuff

725
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:59.199
go on, and in my book
presents all of that material. So would

726
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.519
it be accurate to say them because
I know this word is misused a lot,

727
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:08.320
but because you talk about g or
this energy, for lack of a

728
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:13.119
better word, I guess I'll just
call it she has to do a spin

729
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:17.400
and at a very small level.
Would it be accurate then to call it,

730
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:24.679
using kind of a modern vernacular,
a quantum type of energy. Well,

731
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.880
my suspicion is that it's you.
It goes below that, it goes

732
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:40.320
beneath that. Our quantum physics is
the accepted standard physics, and we say,

733
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:45.800
this is the uncertainty principle that limits
how finally processes that we talked about,

734
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:52.960
how finally you can look at processes. But most quantum phenomena, you

735
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:57.079
know, deals with things on the
size of the atom or the size of

736
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:02.440
the nucleus basically elementary particles. What
they're going to with those go down as

737
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:07.119
small as penda munus fifteen meters,
with the a nucleus system of mine of

738
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:13.239
fifteen meters, which is called one
Fermie. That's from the smaller scale of

739
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:19.239
most quantum things that are talked about. But there is a front here now

740
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:28.440
looking at things at a deeper level. One kind of research has been worked

741
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:35.480
on by how put Off, Bernie
haysh Al Fausta and others where they try

742
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:39.159
to go deeper and they say,
well, why does quantum physics worked the

743
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:44.880
way it does. Is there some
mechanism at a deeper level? And you

744
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:49.239
know, that's that's what Einstein always
believed. That was the problem He had

745
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:54.320
the bore and all the quantum debate. He felt one physics, it's okay,

746
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:59.800
but it's only an approximation. There's
something at a deeper level. Well,

747
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:07.119
what these people are presented is if
you assume that the vacuum is filled

748
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:12.440
with energy, with lots of photons
and other things floating around, that a

749
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.599
particle that we say is just in
a quantum state, it's just sitting there,

750
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:21.760
sitting still not doing anything. We
say it's in a stable energy state,

751
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.039
and that would be most things like
an atom sitting in space. The

752
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:30.840
hydrogen atom is, for example,
sits in space. In a quantum picture,

753
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:35.400
it's not doing anything. It's in
a stable quantum state, and we

754
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.840
just say it's in an eigen state. You don't have to worry about it,

755
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:43.000
and that's what should learn in school. But in the picture that the

756
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:47.480
other gentleman had developed, it's a
dynamic system. It's a radiating energy out

757
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:52.679
into space. All the time it's
being hit by the energy in the vacuum

758
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:55.480
which is exciting it and cause of
it to bounce around. That's where the

759
01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:01.000
uncertains comes from. So it's a
biger play between energy coming in energy going

760
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:07.599
out. So it's a deeper,
more detailed description, and that's where this

761
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:15.199
pision picture seems to fit it.
Toson appears to be maybe the finest scale

762
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:20.800
energy in the vacuum. You may
even define the fabric of space time.

763
01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:27.760
So that's quantum. It's sub quantum
exactly. And so if you want to

764
01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:31.400
if you want to do things that
go beyond our current physics, you have

765
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:38.599
to you have to go there basically, right now we think that Einstein's equations,

766
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:43.840
well, it's about space and time. But I suppose this other force,

767
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.400
this chief force, who is able
to change space and time, so

768
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:52.119
as you can start, you can
speed up or spill down time, so

769
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:57.159
you can stretch things in the ways
our current physics can uh. This chief

770
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.480
force may hold the answer to how
to do that. So that's that's the

771
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:05.239
exciting thing for me because some of
these experiments. But you look at these

772
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:11.559
chigong masters, I mean, they
defy c physics, so you're not gonna

773
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:16.480
be able to explain them of steaking
with physics. It's exciting too because there's

774
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.679
so many disciplines that are talking about
different parts. So for example, you're

775
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:27.199
talking about healing and the ways to
heal, and this chi being able to

776
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:34.400
balance at a sub quantum level your
your atoms and your your cells. You

777
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.760
know, there's a gentleman, and
I know you know of him and his

778
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.559
work, and his name is kind
of Bob Plimpton or Pilkington or he's a

779
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.559
biologist who talks about and he makes
it so you can understand, because he

780
01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:55.440
was a teacher of biology, how
cells respond better to other types of energy

781
01:04:55.639 --> 01:05:00.800
than chemicals, which is what we
deal with them with, and which for

782
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:09.519
him allows this idea of also the
healing and the energy healing and light healing

783
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:13.880
that things like people do putting lights
on cells and things like that. Do

784
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:18.360
you know how I'm talking about Plimpton
anything, I don't know. The thing

785
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:24.440
sounds from me that I don't recognizine, but sort of that type of thing

786
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:30.639
is being demonstrated over and over again
now at the frontiers of medicine and an

787
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.119
alternative medicine. A lot of healing
going on with lights and certain frequencies.

788
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:39.400
I mean the work. The work
started, you know, nineteen seventy in

789
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:45.840
Germany with the jabag Pop who got
the idea that DNA, as a big

790
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:54.039
molecule, creates and absorbs hotons,
little packets of energy, and that it

791
01:05:54.199 --> 01:06:00.400
sends those packets to other molecules in
the cell, and those packets contained both

792
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:06.239
energy and information and caused other molecules
to respond in a certain way with the

793
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:12.840
whole communication system. And he began
working on this idea seventies. Everybody else

794
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.159
laughed at it, they thought it
was crazy. You know, now thirty

795
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:19.199
four years later, it's a huge
body of work. German groups have a

796
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:26.199
mass to show it's not crazy,
it's actually the way living systems work.

797
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.760
Yeah, I think it. Yeah, and so frequencies of light are an

798
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:33.440
important part of that. Right.
I was gonna mention I saw a documentary

799
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:41.079
recently on the Swedish working on Tibetan
medicines, because the Tibetans talked about the

800
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:43.679
light body. When they worked on
a body, they worked on the light

801
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:51.719
body, and that their herbal remedies
were just that we're centered around that delight

802
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:57.440
frequency, which is really interesting,
and I guess the Swedish worked on it

803
01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:01.960
and have created pills that are similar
to depetent medicine that are helpful. But

804
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:06.719
unfortunately, especially in the United States
and other countries, they don't accept that

805
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:14.039
form of medicine. Well again,
you know we have in this country and

806
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:17.960
in other countries too. There's already
an industry, an entrenched industry, if

807
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:24.360
you excuse the expression, that is
quite happy with the profits they're making and

808
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:30.880
the technology they have, and so
partly there's resistance to learning something new,

809
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:35.599
but partly it's competition. You know, we're talking about technology that could put

810
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:41.280
out of business some of these patents
and drugs and things like that, So

811
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.159
of course they're against it. So
it's hard, it's not. It's never

812
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:51.119
just strictly science, you know,
there's always the business aspect and the emotional

813
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:57.719
aspect as well. So yeah,
that's why it takes time. New discoveries

814
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.679
take time to work their way into
the system. Thinking of that term sub

815
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:04.320
quantum, which is a really neat
term. You know, I love star

816
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:09.639
treking. It sounds like a star
treking type of thing. Then how does

817
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:16.279
this all translate over to that over
to kind of UFOs and being able to

818
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:24.960
move faster than light. Well,
if you go back to the Russian experiments

819
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:30.359
with the sunlight, they were actually
seeing a component of energy, well actually

820
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:33.880
two different components, one going back
to some time and then the one going

821
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:38.439
into the speed which is faster than
life. So those are two other three

822
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:42.640
signals they were seeing, I do
go faster than light, and they were

823
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:48.199
based on distortion. So with the
infinite speed using that term which was meaning

824
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:58.680
that probably as fast as is possible, well that which you mean my infinite

825
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:02.600
speed into that speed means it takes
no time to get from point A to

826
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:09.199
point by zero time. But you
know, the Russian measurements with the sunlight.

827
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:13.920
We're indicating there is a third signal
going backwards in time, right what

828
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.520
you call what you call that faster
than than infinite? Right, you might

829
01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:24.039
you know, uh, if we're
in a strange new regime here where the

830
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:28.399
people will have to go over this
and rethink a lot of the concepts and

831
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:31.520
think of the granted like what is
the fastest speed? How do how do

832
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:39.199
we you know, rework our physics
to include some of these states and so

833
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:44.600
at the early stages right now,
but certainly if you want to have a

834
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:50.119
chance of going faster than light,
then you might think that articles or whatever

835
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:55.520
portion, uh you want call it, you fellow, the wave. It's

836
01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:59.439
a signal, maybe a sun quantum
signal, but that might be a good

837
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.640
place to see art. So you
know, I don't have all the answers

838
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.319
right now, but it's a promise
in technology. We need you to get

839
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:15.840
those answers as soon as possible,
yes sir, Yeah, well that's so

840
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.159
right, which is why we experiment
and why they experiment them of course with

841
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:24.479
the quantum particles, because they're able
to demonstrate some faster than than light,

842
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:29.279
which if we understand how the mechanics
of that, then that may allow us

843
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:34.000
to build a machine or some sort
of process to exceed the speed of light.

844
01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:41.439
One of the things that some of
the Russians towards and scientists playing to

845
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:46.680
have done is to use torsion generators
to change the rate of time. M

846
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:53.720
it's like a like a primitive version
of a time machine. I mean not

847
01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:58.319
not really in the sense that it's
not jumping a different times as you change

848
01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:02.880
your speeding up or slowing down time. These two different components of torsion,

849
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:09.479
the right handed left handed torsion,
appear to have opposite effects on the rate

850
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:14.520
of time. So you can fill
a volume of space with one or the

851
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:18.279
other form of torsion and you can
speed up or slow down time. And

852
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:23.680
there have been several papers about that. With a watch or clock in the

853
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:29.560
middle of the space, an equal
identical clock outside, and then let them

854
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.039
run for a while and then see
where they are. And the one inside

855
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:36.079
may run slower or faster depending on
the kind of torsion you're filling a space

856
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:41.600
with. So that's pretty interesting experiment
that might have applications. Yeah, and

857
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.239
that would help you with your book. You would be able to slow down

858
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:48.039
time to where you it feels like
a long period of past and you can

859
01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:53.319
finish your book on a day.
I could really use that. That would

860
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:56.199
be very useful. That's what I
would do, write ten stories in a

861
01:11:56.279 --> 01:12:00.279
day. Sometimes it seems to work
the other way. Yeah, yeah,

862
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:08.039
that sounds good. With this then
sub quantum energy, and it also kind

863
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:13.279
of fits the GI idea and other
of course indigenous people talking about this energy

864
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:19.000
being in everything, even star wars
in the forest. But which then would

865
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:28.079
uh does that have there been experiment
with actually trying to you said you would

866
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:33.279
they were affecting that radioactive material,
But what about moving things? What about

867
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:42.680
what is that telekinesis Yeah, I'm
trying to think if I've seen any good

868
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:47.600
experiments. I know, you know
the most famous telekinesians experiments or the Princeton

869
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:55.119
pair lab experiments. They are on
a much smaller scale, not as spectacular

870
01:12:55.720 --> 01:13:00.399
as Obi wan kenobi, you know, knocking over you know, so robot

871
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:06.640
or something. And in the Princeton
pair Lab they have little plottum devices basically

872
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:13.960
they call random event generators and they
use pot of noise and electrons to create

873
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:18.479
a stream of ones and zeros that
are random. They're equivalent of putting that

874
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.479
point very fast and counting your head
and your tails. You know, if

875
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:27.199
you can track of them, and
on the average you'll get the balance and

876
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:31.239
the equal numbers of heads and tails. If you ask someone to make it

877
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:36.560
go high and get more head tails
or more one from zeros. The Princeton

878
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:43.760
pair Lab found that virtually anybody was
able to do it, and of course

879
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:48.199
some people are better than others.
But what's remarkable is that it doesn't matter

880
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:51.600
how far away you go. If
you put these people a thousand miles from

881
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:57.159
the random event generator and they were
just as good at making it go high

882
01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:02.359
or low when requested. That's the
really simple form of telekinesis not very impressive,

883
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:06.960
maybe because you have to process it
by computer, but you get a

884
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:14.520
very high statistical accuracy, and you
have to convince scientists that you're really looking

885
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:18.960
at a simple noise and odds against
chance, because a skeptical scientist would say,

886
01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:21.760
okay, yeah, you got it
to go the way you tried,

887
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:26.399
you wanted to do that time,
continue to do it again, and that's

888
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:30.199
where they come in, and that's
a very reasonable question. What the Princeton

889
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:34.720
pair level found was yes, do
it again and again and again, and

890
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:41.079
the odds against chance, the odds
that these are real effects and not do

891
01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:45.840
the random punctuations, because now the
pair level has done so much data.

892
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:51.119
So I felt odds against chance of
trillions to one, trillions to one that

893
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:57.199
this is a real effect, not
a chance effect. So it's overwhelming.

894
01:14:57.239 --> 01:15:03.000
If they're demonstrated, the k exists. Now some of the Chinese masters other

895
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:09.399
of other people who study this stuff, their whole lives develop amazing ability.

896
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:15.479
So you read uh the wonderful book
by the UH, the Indian Yoki Yogananda.

897
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:19.680
He talks about growing up as the
Yoki and the things he witnessed.

898
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:25.560
Uh. You know, there's some
amazing things in there. The Chinese have

899
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:31.319
been researching some of their pastors,
maybe the search and then the eighties to

900
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:39.159
find some of the people who were
most able to create genermal phenomena. I

901
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:45.359
talk about that in volume one,
and yeah there were one of One of

902
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:49.279
the people was named Jang Baojeng,
who was famous for teleportation. UH.

903
01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:54.640
He would the v P visitors would
come over to come to their UH site

904
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:59.359
and he would cause a one hundred
pounds sack of sugar to teleport to a

905
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:03.600
wall and people produ to being watching, and then the other experiments that would

906
01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:11.720
do the radio transmitter we were teleporting
from one place to another. They were

907
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.720
doing experiments on this stuff in the
seventies and eighties, and they're in a

908
01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:21.760
number of reports from bid visitors who
were treated to the shows. They show

909
01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:26.319
some of these people, and so
I described some of those in my book,

910
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:30.960
and Paul Dong is a she dog
master as writing sea Oh books about

911
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:35.520
some of those experiments. So if
you look hard and find really able people,

912
01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:41.239
you do find them. I'll give
you one example. There's a professor

913
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:46.720
us a California system whos been doing
research on this stuff, keeps from a

914
01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:53.800
portion chigong from a very powerful master. One day, the class is coming

915
01:16:53.840 --> 01:17:00.159
out of their lesson on the sidewalk
in Los Angeles. A woman in the

916
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:05.279
class had her purse snatched at some
guy again running down the street. Clout

917
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:11.479
inside the wall, and the master
came out and saw what happened. In

918
01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:14.199
the post people the class were all
yelling at him. You know, that

919
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:18.319
guy's going a furse he has forty
feet away and running fast and the master

920
01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:23.680
looks like it hold out his hand, you know, just like just like

921
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:28.520
in Star Wars holds out his hand
and the guy falls down. The balls

922
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:32.159
suddenly knock it up. The class
saw thes over to him and they picked

923
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:35.840
up the purse and the master says, this can don't do that again.

924
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:40.359
Wow, And I you know,
I heard this with one of the people

925
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:44.680
in the class. There's a professor
in the University of California system, very

926
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:49.720
high integrity, that well known scientist. So you know, these things do

927
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:58.239
happen if you find the individuals specially
well trained. This is See, this

928
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.079
is the kind of thing that I
think is so exciting, and unfortunately I

929
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:06.560
don't think it's really made it into
the mainstream because what you're talking about are

930
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:15.600
these subtle energies that theoretical physicists more
than just yourself are starting to open up

931
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:20.960
to, and because they're starting to
see that there are these things going on

932
01:18:21.039 --> 01:18:28.279
and there have to be other mechanics
behind it that we don't understand yet,

933
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:31.680
and we're seeing all these crazy things
happening in quantum physics. So, like

934
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:36.359
you said, these ideas about these
sub quantum type of energies and all of

935
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:45.319
this opens up these incredible possibilities that
this amazing story you just described could possibly

936
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:55.119
be explained by science if we just
understood those suntle that energies involved. Well,

937
01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:00.199
that's why my second book Life Scientily
basis so big, because I have

938
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.800
a lot of the experiments in there. We've got the graphs, we got

939
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:10.399
the references and everything else, so
as scientists could go through that and learn

940
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:14.159
about these experiments. The same way
with the first books and as Universe,

941
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:18.119
I try to put in the data, what's the evidence for these phenomena,

942
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:26.560
because most Qustian physicists never hear about
these experiments. They don't know the stuff

943
01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:30.520
exists. A lot of them have
even been kind of brainwashed to not be

944
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:33.880
interested. They've been told all,
it's a bunch of hogwash, you know,

945
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:38.439
it's just a bunch of you know, and so they don't even look

946
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:43.720
open mindedly or in a serious way
to find what the evidence is. So

947
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:45.680
I try to put my books together
in a way too. If someone does

948
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.680
have the courage to open and then
read, they'll see, my god,

949
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:55.199
there's evidence that these things actually happen. Here's how it behaves. And then

950
01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.600
they'll say, well, hey,
we need the better theory, we need

951
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:02.079
a theory for this, and that's
what's needed right now is you know,

952
01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:08.000
I belong to an organization or I
C I S S s ee M,

953
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:13.479
a subtle energy organization that looks at
the scientists attle energy. Uh. They

954
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:18.079
on three different years they paid money
to some of the top string theorists,

955
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:25.439
people like Brian Greene, Michel Kaku
to come and talk. You know.

956
01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:31.760
What they found is that these people
know very little about subtle energy. They

957
01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:36.359
don't read the journal articles about subtle
energy or or Chi or Chi dong.

958
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:43.479
Uh. So they don't have access
to the evidence. So they're working on

959
01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:49.119
their theories. Assuming that Western physics
already knows how the university a is,

960
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:54.720
they have to make a little bit
better mathematical theory for it. And the

961
01:20:54.880 --> 01:21:00.119
idea there's a whole other force that's
been left now the Western's hasn't occurred with

962
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:05.039
them. Mhm. And But I
mean, on on a positive note too,

963
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:09.960
talking about that I seem organization,
it seems like there's a lot of

964
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:14.479
them Boulder. What's up with Boulder? That's where I went to university actually,

965
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.399
but because it's just an advanced place, I guess. But I mean

966
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:23.680
there's the Life and Mind Institute out
there, which is I know, they've

967
01:21:23.720 --> 01:21:28.720
gotten really involved with the Dalai Lama
and it's a bunch of scientists, quantum

968
01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:35.239
physicists starting to see similarities. And
also an organization you belong to, the

969
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:42.039
Society for Scientific Exploration and there there
are a bunch of scientists. I know

970
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:46.760
there's somewhat skeptical about UFOs although they
talk about it. But they're very open

971
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:53.239
to some of these consciousness type of
ideas, aren't they. They are a

972
01:21:53.279 --> 01:22:00.119
lot of these are university professors up
like Robert Shawn and Triniston Parallel Experiments is

973
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:06.319
one of the founders of the organization. And yeah, the reason they created

974
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:14.520
the s S is because they get
resistance when they try to publish their papers

975
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.800
in the mainstream in its journals.
Those journals just say, oh, we

976
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.600
don't we don't publish have kind of
stuff, We don't want to know about

977
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.600
that, and we don't believe in
it or whatever. And so they needed

978
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:30.800
a place where people can exchange information
and talk about this. And the s

979
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:38.920
S is one of those wonderful organizations
which is open minded, has real scientists

980
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:45.000
with good rigorous training in many cases, and yet they're open minded to these

981
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:49.760
controversial issues. And the UFOs was
one of the topics covered in one of

982
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:55.800
the national meetings of the s SC
a couple of years ago. So yeah,

983
01:22:55.840 --> 01:23:00.520
it's very refreshing that at least they
open that they about a four and

984
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:05.159
I think Peter Sturik started it right
and he was an astronomer who was very

985
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:12.479
into UFOs and that was the main
impetus I think they did create. Yep.

986
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:20.159
So are you then hopeful that uh, these that you putting out your

987
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:25.439
books about this and and uh some
of these other scientists are getting involved.

988
01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:30.680
Uh do you feel that your colleagues
and scientists starting to move into this area.

989
01:23:32.720 --> 01:23:36.439
Yes, it's a slow process that
happens one at a time. You

990
01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:44.279
know. It's I meet people every
day who loved my books. They're very

991
01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:49.119
grateful for them. It's including scientists. Uh so, but you know,

992
01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:56.520
the numbers compared to a number of
people who do a reach from the national

993
01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:00.199
television show like Nova, which is
it's a timely fraction. So it's a

994
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:06.560
slow it's a slow process because the
main media still doesn't seem willing to carry

995
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:13.479
these messages. So uh, it's
it's still basically we are teaching a course

996
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:20.359
now California in the Human Science Small
College, uh Antyas, California. That's

997
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:29.640
taking my book of the textbook,
you know. So energy medicine and these

998
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:35.199
these new discoveries are I think they're
growing and they're more I think. I

999
01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:41.439
think as Western medicine becomes too expensive
and there's too many as a lot of

1000
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:45.079
people just realize they can't afford it
or it's not doing a good job.

1001
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:51.680
And energy healers can do things that
a doctor with a pill, you know,

1002
01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:57.319
can't do. Then that opens up
people's minds. They start saying,

1003
01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.960
well, I have a vend who's
an energy healer out in Missouri, you

1004
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:05.399
know, and you work some people
at thousands of miles away and they can

1005
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:09.560
feel the energy, they feel the
benefit from it. But then the next

1006
01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:14.920
question is how does that work?
How could that possibly happen? How can

1007
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:17.439
you explain it? And that's where
it's good to have a book like that,

1008
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:21.880
and that's where science starts to open
up. But I think it's a

1009
01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:26.840
full process. Yeah, Bruce Lipton, that's the guy who is I was

1010
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:31.720
thinking of the biology of belief where
he talked about that Canute. But I

1011
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:36.640
can see the pr problem though,
too, is that it's very technical and

1012
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:42.479
it's very difficult. There's not very
many scientists. Mitchell O Kaku's one who's

1013
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:50.640
good at translating to the layman these
complicated scientific ideas. But I think it's

1014
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:57.319
so interesting that hopefully if there's any
documentary makers out there listening, I think

1015
01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:03.560
this is definitely something to tackle because
it's worth it. It's demonstrating that there

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is this slow movement to this and
the benefits are incredible because if extraterrestrials,

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civilizations and vans were now advanced,
civilizations out there have mastered these subtle energies,

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and it demonstrates how they can do
things to us that would seem impossible.

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There's a famous scientist at Chinese Science. I'm not sure I can pronounce

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his name properly. He immigrated from
the US back into the Nameland China back

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in the eighties. It was a
fun page story in Newsweek in time.

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He was famous in the US.
He was one of the founders of Jeffer

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Paulson Laboratory. He went to China
and became instrumental in leading their rocketry and

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01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:58.760
space program. He's one of the
most distinguished though scientists in China and Aviation

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Week in space technology. G Is
has sloughted. You know how great scientists

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he is. He looked at the
on my website, I have the reference

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01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:14.079
to this quote. You look at
this datas and his experiments I was mentioned

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earlier from doctor jan Jin where he's
changed for your activity and your active decay

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01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:24.840
rates and getting lay sabines and things
like that with chi and basically he says,

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yes, this is real and it's
a genuine breakthrough. It's a revolutions,

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01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:34.159
it's a whole new area of visits. You know that this is a

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01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:40.680
point's here that has been opened up
with this course and his new experiments,

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01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:45.479
and so it's it's an exciting time
for people who would catch on that the

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01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:53.239
stuff is happening. So I think
inevitably it's it's going to gain interest as

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01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:59.760
time goes on. Yeah, very
exciting. And your website is synchronized you

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01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.159
verse dot com. That's where they
can get your books and everything and read.

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01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:08.399
You've got a lot of material up
there for people to look at and

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experiment, and you're working on a
third Berth book. Well, yeah,

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01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:17.239
Andrew, if you can't spell synchronized, the Americans spell it with a Z.

1040
01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:20.560
Well the English I think use an
s right, So all you have

1041
01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:26.119
to is put put my name Claude
Swanson in the Google and the website pops

1042
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.159
up near the top of the list. Yeah, that's an easy way to

1043
01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:31.119
find a website. That's the way
people do it these days. Anyway.

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01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:33.680
I know a lot of people.
They don't even have the u url barkers.

1045
01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:39.560
They just google it. So Claude
Swanson, Google pod Swanson. Yeah,

1046
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:44.039
yep, exactly, all right,
great, thank you so much.

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01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:48.560
You also have some lectures that you
do around and other radio shows, and

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01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:53.640
they can get all of that information. But it's I've had the pleasure of

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01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:57.920
knowing you for quite some time and
got to spend time. I knew you

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01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:01.039
before you move new of you,
I should say, before you moved to

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Colorado. So it's great to get
to know you when you did move out

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01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:08.439
to Colorado. And it's always great
to talk to you. So thank you

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so much for joining the radio show. Thank you, Elejandro, Thank you

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01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:17.720
soon. All right, talk to
you soon. Always wonderful to talk to

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01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:25.000
Claude Swanson. Next week, because
we only got a few seconds. We've

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01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:29.840
got Lee Spiegel from the Huffington Post, the guy who's been writing about UFOs

1057
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:32.560
and stuff. Cool guy. He's
the one who helped me get my blog

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01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:36.800
over there, so I'm very excited
to talk to him. So join us

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next week. Talk to you letter
people,