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The problem is I fell asleep. I

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fell asleep. When did you do
CPR this morning? When I found it

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for you? Paul? Yes,
all right, guys. Here it is

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season ten, episode two hundred and
thirty eight of Sword and Scale, a

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show that reveals that the worst monsters
are real. Listen, guys. I

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know it's weird for you. I
know the electronic music. I know it's

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not the spooky Halloween tunes you're used
to. I know you clicked on the

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face of a creepy doll and expected
death metal to start blasting out of your

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iPod nano. But that's just the
basic bitch in you talking. Simmer it

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down, Simmer it down. It's
going to be okay. If something mindlessly

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clichede doesn't appear in front of you
every three seconds, you will survive.

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Well, you may, who knows
how fragile you are. Regardless, I'm

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still here doing the same thing after
ten years. But hey, maybe,

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just maybe your naggy little DM will
finally get me to see the error of

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my ways and start opening up the
show. With a little Lizzie Got a

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makeup tutorial. Have you ever had
an interaction with someone that just left you

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absolutely dumbfounded? I know I have. Maybe they have you questioning reality itself

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or even your own memory. Some
people have this keen ability to manipulate,

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and they make you feel like you're
just going crazy, not even understanding what's

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real anymore. Nothing makes sense.
It's quite a feat, really, to

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attempt to make a sound minded adult
believe that the sky is green, even

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when they're looking right up at it
and see that it's blue. It takes

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a particular set of skills to be
able to pull that off. Yet it

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seems like we keep seeing examples of
that in pop culture and Twitter specifically.

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I hate to bring up the Amber
Heard case yet again, but watching her

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testimony may have evoked some of the
same feelings you've had with people like this

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in your life. The gas lighting, the incessant gas lighting. So much

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of our interrogation audio features perpetrators who've
been caught red handed, yet still somehow

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try to explain away all of the
irrefutable evidence against them, to the point

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where you just start going, are
you crazy? Or am I? Many

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of these suspects go to laughably ridiculous
lengths to try to prove their innocence.

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And again, these manipulation tactics sit
in the tool belts more than just the

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murderers on this show. You might
have had an X or two that fits

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the bill. Sure, the ability
to twist and manipulate emerges at its full

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force when someone is faced with the
possibility of life in prison or even the

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death penalty. But for most of
the people in this scenario, the interrogation

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room wasn't the first time they've had
to employ these tactics. It becomes even

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more of a habit. It's their
way of life. It's a treasured part

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of their personality that they arrogantly think
will help them get out of just about

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any situation in life. But went
up against the clear eyes and sober mind

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of the justice system. However,
these petty, amateur techniques tend to make

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suspects not look innocent but dumb.
What is the location of your emergency for

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seven four eight France Courts Apartment three
four seven four eight, What's a streight

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name France f r A NTV and
the apartment number three As just a putty

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sum medico my boyfriend is dead.
You can send the line for the fun

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apartment. Do not hang up.
Well, that's abrupt. This call came

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into the Orange County Sheriff's Department around
lunch time on February twenty fourth, twenty

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twenty. The caller lived in an
apartment complex in Winter Park, Florida,

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and as you just heard, she
was calling because her boyfriend was apparently dead.

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All right, risk Murphy's not really
help me? Or seven for eight

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France Lane, Apartment three France Court, France Court. Yes, okay,

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just near McKenzie Drive. I don't
know where that is. It kills her

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departments, okay, four seven four
eight friends correct? Correct, correct,

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correct. I'm not kidding exactly what
happened there. My birthfriend Harny, were

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playing last night and I put him
in a case when we were playing and

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like kind of high to seek kind
of thing. So I fell asleep and

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I woke up and he was dead
in the suit case. So I don't

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know what happened. In case you
didn't catch it, she said, I

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woke up and he was dead in
the suitcase, So I don't know what

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happened. I don't know what happened. Okay, what's your partment number three?

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M three? Yes, like he
has like blood coming out of his

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mouth, and I don't know if
like he had a right okay, all

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right, okay, listen, we're
getting have a pot to you all right,

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okay, okay, guys now,
okay fo yeah, man, it's

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we're on our way out there.
Year yet fold seven seven one six eight

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four. Okay, he hanging from
somewhere? What man? No, I

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put him out of the suitcase.
I giving him CPR. Okay, so

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he was in a suitcase. Yes, then I fell asleep. Okay.

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How old is how old is working
man? Forty two year old man?

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All right? Okay, we're working
here. We're standing to het u out

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of your shares. I've set away
out there, yes I are yeah,

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okay, all right, listen to
me. Okay that you see that you

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need to confirm this one right and
I understand you seed to confirm this easy

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an easier away? Could allay?
Conscious? Goll no purple? Do you

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he breathing? No? All right? I need you to get a need

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to get him on the floor flanders
back for you. Okay, I did,

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I did. I tried giving him
CPR. All right, I tried

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giving him. Yeah, okay,
we happen. Okay, listen to me.

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You did a different litive. I
need you to get it for me.

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Okay, what do you have an
eaty available? No? All right?

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Do you write by him now?
I'm sorry you? Are you right

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by him now? Yes? Okay? Okay, Lamela, okay, ma'am

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listen, so listen. Eady cold
and stiff, yes, okay, not

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necessarily cold, but he's stiff.
Okay, right, all right, look

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to me, I listen. Listen
to me. I want you to live.

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Him flatters back from me on the
floor. Okay, we're moving the

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pillows. Okay, yes, I
did, all right, okay and purple

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all right, okay listen. Okay, man, that's fine. We're still

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going to be too compressions of them. Okay, all right. You see

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el of your hand on his breastbone
right, a cent of the chest,

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rabbige in the nipples? Yes?
Would you have a at a top of

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that hand, teddy, I'm telling
you just look at any to tell okay,

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great, Okay, your girdles okay, okay, let listen to me.

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All right. I want to play. I want you to place the

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heel of your hand Okay, rebbeteen
the rabbeteen his chest or rebuteen his breast

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bones. Put you at the top
of that hand. We want we want

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to pump his chest on me hard
at fast go it is twice per second.

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I'm doing it again. Okay,
no, no, just keep on

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pumping. That's all you need to
do for me. Keep on pumping his

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chest for minutes that. I don't
need you to stop and talk on anything.

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I just want you to conno and
load for me. Okay. One

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two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

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ten eleven, Well thirty fourteen fifteen. Notice how the dispatch operator had

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to basically four this caller to perform
CPR while on the phone so you could

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hear it happening. This is this
is n Okay, man, just keep

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on pumping his ships. That's all
you need to do for me. Okay,

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yes, please hurry up. Okay
man, man, they're driving as

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tacks as they can. Okay,
don't stop the saying hurry up. Just

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keep on pumping and counting. Okay, I'm still doing you sorry, just

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keep you continue pump is connor.
I they can come with you. One

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two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine eleven.

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Well, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

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nineteen twenty ring one, thank you, twenty very, twenty four, twye

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five thy fix thwenty seven, thway
twenty nine thirty are you one? Threk

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you two? Please hurry. Okay, man, there's getting her fast as

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they can. Okay, he stares
as her phone. Okay, keep pumping

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for me, ma'am. I'm still
doing it. Okay, I'm still doing

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it all right. Okay, that's
fine to be even a good job.

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Just keep on doing it for me, all right. They're getting her fast.

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They can long with the sheriff's off. It's also okay. If you

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were on the other end of this
call, you'd probably be thinking this is

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going to go one of two ways. Either this woman is really distraught and

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has a lack of patience because of
what she's just been through, or she's

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a real piece of work and deputies
are about to have an interesting day.

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Keep on pumping, man, three
four one two three four one two three

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four. Keep on pumping for me. Man, I'm doing okay, we're

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bringing all right, I understand,
all right. Just keep on company for

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me, okay, okay, hurried
right, Okay, horrible. Is this

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mor happened? What happened? A
you? What happened? Okay? Man,

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just keep on pumping his chest for
my Opay, they're they're in they're

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they're in the parking lot. They
should be called they're shortly Okay, I'm

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still doing it. Okay, all
right, okay? Good? Are you

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following him in a suit case?
He said, yes, we're playing you

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see last night? I thought,
A sweet I think that's right. Just

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keep on pupping the chests until they
pop over. I am okay, Hi

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am okay, I am okay,
hip let them think of one for you.

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Okay. At this point, paramedics
and Orange County Deputies were arriving on

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scene. Police were greeted by a
frantic forty two year old Sarah Boone.

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She was a small mouseie woman with
a short bob and bad posture. She

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had her hands clasped together, pulling
on her zip up hoodie like a child

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as she waited for the officers to
approach. Hello, then we lived here,

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Yes, okay, How hope you
guys get the property manager? I

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tell him really quick or want that? Oh, don't worry about that.

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We'll take there. That for you, okay, so right off the bat,

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Sarah was concerned with making the property
manager aware of the situation. Also,

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she didn't seem to be even a
little bit sad about the death of

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her boyfriend. It seemed like her
primary emotion was confusion. How could this

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have happened? We were just playing
hide and seek? I really need something

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to drink. Okay, Well I
got my doctor park roma counter. Okay,

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okay, kay? What what who
is he to you? Boyfriend?

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This? Because like three and a
half years what happened? And we ranked

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us putting a puzzle together? And
we can do some art right there there,

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and well, you are putting a
puzzle together. Yes, we have

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a puzzle that we started in there. Okay. We've been doing our time

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taking stuff off the wall to make
new art put up there, like having

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a good time with one another.
But we're thinking. We had a bottle

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of wine last night. So then
it's like we set to play, right

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okay, Okay, how he looking
with you? But no, I called

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him over here, okay, Okay. I didn't know what to do.

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Okay, I didn't know what to
do. Okay. So there was a

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lot of information in those short interactions. First, she seemed to be concerned

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with getting something to drink. That
cotton mouth is really annoying. Sarah will

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mention this several more times to the
officers while they're on the scene. Then

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she explained to one of the deputies
that she and her fiance had been drinking

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a bottle of wine the night before. Sarah also told the deputy that she

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and her boyfriend, George Torres,
had been doing a puzzle and some arts

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and crafts out in the main area
of the apartment when they decided to play

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hide and seek, you know,
like adults do. I guess everyone has

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their weird what would you call it? Quirks? I mean, let's also

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keep in mind that these are two
people in their early forties playing hide and

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seek. Anyway, Sarah went on
to tell the deputy that George decided to

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get into a suitcase, as you
would. They thought it would be funny.

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It does sound like we're talking about
a couple of ten year olds left

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on their own, but I digress. At the end here, Sarah shared

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with the deputy that the man approaching
them was her ex husband. Sarah called

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him first because she didn't know what
to do. How bizarre is this whole

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situation right now, by the way. Yeah, let's talk all you guys.

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The problem is I fell asleep.
I fell asleep. When did you

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do CPR this morning? When I
found it for you called yes one o'clock

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right now. I tried. I
was awake, but I actually got out

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of the bed of like twelve thirty
whatever. So I came downstairs and I

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was like, oh, he's in
the sky still when I found him and

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I took him out and then I
called him and then I called you guys.

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He get hit before the fire of
fiem. I got here. Who

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your husbands at something? Okay?
What hear? It? All right down

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the street? Okay? So you
were playing and he didn't come up there?

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I did, But did I fell
a sweet Okay? Okay, I

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don't I want to here. I'm
just trying to figure out what happened so

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sweep, So I don't know if
these keys I had an inn reason,

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our heart attack or what medical condition. And then then I know him.

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No. No, all we had
was a bottle of wine, literally,

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just a bottle of wine, okay, doing puzzle artwork. Then we decided

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to wait. Hadn't see just a
bottle of wine doing puzzles artwork. Then

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we decided to play hide and seek. Not even chet GPT could make this

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stuff up. Guys, that's all
that happened. Okay, So I don't

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know. I don't want it there. So what happened? So? How

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long were you doing CPR on him
prior to you falling that one? One?

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You try that all more? Yes? Okay, but I called him

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while I wasn't start probably fall apart
here. Let me feel this defintian Okay,

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please man, my doctor Pepper,
I am also caught. Now,

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just give us anything. I don't
let you passing up. This is probably

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a lot for you to do,
right, water, water, I can

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get you some water, okay,
Just I want you that on your seat.

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I don't want passing out on your
I need okay, I'll get some

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show. Yeah, just so you
can visualize this properly. Sarah's facial expressions

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throughout these interactions are very startling.
She's wide eyed, a little bit scary

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looking, kind of in your face, with a leaning forward posture that kind

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of makes you want to slowly back
away, especially given that its point of

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view bodycam footage. If you go
watch it, it looks like she's coming

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for you go check it out links
in the show notes. Anyway, it

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was apparent to everyone on the crime
scene that something was not quite right up

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in Sarah's head. She eventually got
tired of waiting for a drink from someone,

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so Sarah went over to the outdoor
faucet meant for hoses, turned it

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on, and crouched down to drink
from it. Meanwhile, the same officer

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that had been interviewing Sarah had moved
over to interview Brian Boone, Sarah's ex

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husband. He seemed to be much
more clear headed. So kind of tell

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me how you came here to day? Well, I've been um calling your

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life, yes, yes, about
a year and a half, eleven thirties

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when I started calling it out.
It is supposed to be her day,

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okay, don't really have very good
about always doing it. Okay, So

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Sarah is someone who tends to drink
and forgets to pick up her own child

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for visitation. But Brian Boone had
a lot more to share. I started

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calling like eleven thirty, hold every
half hour hour or so, and then

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finally got a hold of her twelve
forty nine, told me what was going

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on in my come over here?
And why came over got over here cold

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her. You can call nine one
one, get some the over here and

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then basically she said she needed to
go outside of a drinking a cigarette.

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Okay, so that's pretty much the
way you have. We're gonna make a

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few funk hawk and then we'll go
from there. You know he has a

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medical issues or okay, but you've
met him before, I've met him before.

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Year They've got a whole fun history. So these two had a long,

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exciting history. The Sheriff's office was
already very familiar with this couple,

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but Georgia's suitcase demise wasn't a cut
and dry death, not by any means.

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Despite Sarah's odd mannerisms and statements,
investigators never could have imagined the strange

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path this case would take them down. On February twenty fourth, twenty Orange

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County deputies arrived at an apartment complex
in Winter Park, Florida, and discovered

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a dead body in a suitcase.
That body belonged to forty two year old

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George Torres Junior. Apparently, while
he and his fiance were playing hide and

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seek the night before, George decided
to get into the suit case and allowed

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his girlfriend, Sarah Boone to zip
him up. If you're a guy listening

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to this, never do that.
There, I just saved the life.

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Sarah frantically claimed that she fell asleep
and forgot about George in the suit case.

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When she woke up the next afternoon, She told police she went downstairs

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and realized he was still zipped up
inside. When she opened the suit case,

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it was clear to her that George
was dead. Sarah's ex husband,

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Brian Boone, called her during this
debacle earlier in the day, and he

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was actually the one who convinced her
to call nine one one. Once Orange

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County deputies completed quick outside interviews with
both Sarah and Brian, they packed up

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Sarah in the police cruiser and got
an other statement and the front seat is

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can you see an email? Sarah, ben I am going to read you

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your rights, but it's just because
that's how we do things. Okay,

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So last night you said that you
and your boyfriend George were here at your

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residence, and UM, tell me
what what you guys were doing next?

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Like, what what was happening?
We had a bottle of wine, we

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painted, we drew, we did
puzzles. Do you remember what wine.

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You guys are drinking, um,
what is what good? Chardonnay? Okay,

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the bottles are in the trash Okay. Notice how she was adamant about

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the fact that she had a bottle
of wine, but then went on to

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tell this investigator that the bottles plural
could be found in the trash can.

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It's also a bit odd that Sarah
seemed to continually try to inject the puzzles,

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arts and crafts into the story,
as if those details held any importance

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whatsoever. And you guys were doing
puzzles and art okay, listening to music,

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enjoying each other's company, and all
downstairs upstairs where did you stare?

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Stone stairs? Okay? We usually
sit on the back porch because we smoked,

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you know, a lot of smoke
inside, so okay. And who

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was here last night? Was it
just the two of you? Yep?

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Okay. No one ever came over
at any point, no, no,

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okay, we called us daughters on
FaceTime. Okay. We're just literally just

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enjoying one other's company. Okay.
And you guys share the phone that you

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have, correct, so telling you
what happens next? You're painting. Your

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guys are doing this puzzle together.
You obviously finished the bottle of bottle of

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wine. Yes, did you have
one or two bottles of wine? Well,

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we had one previously that was maybe
not even half full, okay,

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but then so you finished that one, and then you had the full one.

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Yes, And from there just waiting, we were puzzled out, we

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were painted out. So being silly, let's play hide and seek, which

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we have played before, Like I
don't know if you've opened the door on

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the top of the stairwell like he
and I have hidden in there before,

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like just having fun and enjoying each
other's company. Okay, So I mean

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that's literally all it was. And
then the suitcase is downstairs because I was

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telling you we were getting ready to
donations, and because it's not a very

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good suitcase. The what was the
question, I'm sorry, you were just

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explaining to me the night. Oh, he decided to hide in there,

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so being silly, he and I
were sitting there laughing at it, like

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with him in there. And then
so I didn't zip it up all the

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way, but I mean enough to
where his little fingers were out there and

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whatever, but still having a good
time and whatever. Then I guess I

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decided to go upstairs, and I
don't know, I fell asleep. So

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I woke up this morning and again
thought he was downstairs on the laptop looking

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for a job, as he usually
is, and then thought where is he?

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Is he on the back porch to
see in the bathroom, like where

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is he? And then I came
to about the suitcase, so I opened

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suitcase. I took him out,
stretched him out for reference, Sarah is

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about five three, one hundred thirty
pounds, while George was five to four

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and one hundred and forty pounds.
I mean, the guy fit into a

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piece of luggage. These height and
weight details come from police records and prior

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domestic violence incidents. But in each
of George's mug shots over the years,

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he starts to look more gaunt.
He was a skinny guy to begin with,

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and in his final mug shot he
looks sickly. Started to do CPR

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where air was coming out and then
like whatever, gurgle? I mean,

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so I'm trying to do CPR on
him. I'm shaking him, trying to

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get him to come too. But
I could tell if by looking at him

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something was wrong. He's been losing
his teeth lately and has been complaining about

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his chest hurts, which is why
I keep trying to get him to go

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to the doctor. But because he
nor I have a job or insurance,

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has been putting it off so again, so I didn't know what to do,

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so I called Brian, my ex
husband. I called him. He

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came over, just walked in and
then walked out. I grabbed my phone

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and I called you guys. After
hearing Brian Boone's account of the situation and

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the nine one one call, I'm
sure you're realizing the discrepancies in Sarah's recollection

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of events. That's not quite how
it all went down, not to mention

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the lack of logic and so many
of the decisions Sarah made. Why on

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earth would she leave him zipped up
in a suitcase before going to bed?

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How could she have forgotten? Why
did she wake up so late almost twelve

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hours later and still not remember George
until she saw the suitcase downstairs? But

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also love to know what she trumped
about the first time you woke up this

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morning, did you look at your
phone just see what time it was?

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No? Most of the time,
like I'll wake up, but because he

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or I have a job. I'll
usually just lay in the bed for a

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little bit longer because the house is
clean. There's nothing else that we can

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do. Me thinking he's on the
laptop looking for jobs. I can't use

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the laptop, so most of the
time I'll just stay in the bed and

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collect my thoughts and get ready for
the day. So do you have any

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idea what time you woke up that
first time? What time it may have

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been. I don't know if you
guys haven't when I say eleven something,

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eleven something? Okay? Maybe is
that when you finally got up or is

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it the first time you woke up? No, that's the time that I

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decided to get because I figured he
was downstairs on the laptop. So and

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look for jobs on the laptop,
and then it usually all clean. He'll

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look for jo or vice versa,
where I'll look for jobs and he'll clean.

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So you think you got out about
after eleven at some point, yes,

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okay, but we can't recall which
time. Do you think you were

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up for, like hours before that
or not acting? Your thoughts ran because

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I was supposed to have my son
today. When I'm up from school,

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Brian usually calls to make sure,
Hey, Are you sure you're getting Lucas

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today? Because I've had job interviews? Are you going to pick up Lucas?

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So after he called like maybe three, four times, maybe five,

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I finally answered, and that's like, do you think you were sleeping and

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missed those calls? No? I
ignored them. You ignored them because he's

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notorious for blowing out my phone.
But I understand why, because he's making

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sure that Lucas gets home. Right. Yeah, this woman has a history

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of drinking and forgetting to pick up
her son from school, yet she chose

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to ignore or her ex husband's reminder
calls that morning. There was nothing on

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Sarah's mind, laying there, unemployed
in bed at eleven am. Nothing was

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important to her that morning, least
of all her boyfriend downstairs suffocating in a

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suitcase. This is also something Sarah
seems confused about. She doesn't understand what

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happened to George, like a toddler
who squeezed a hamster too tight and doesn't

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understand why it's no longer moving.
At some point, someone would have to

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explain to this lady that she killed
George Torres. No matter how you slice

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it, like I couldn't, I
still to the I don't I don't know

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what happened, like I don't know
what happened, but the whole teeth losing

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thing, and I don't know what
happened, like, I don't know what

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happened, I don't know what.
He and I were having an amazing time

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yesterday like we normally do, no
arguments, no nothing. And the thing

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with him though, is, which
is why we've been doing puzzles and artwork

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lately, is that he's been stressing
about a job, of course, which

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we've talked about. So what I
did was start having him do puzzles and

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artwork to keep his mind off of
it. His ex wife is all over

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him about sending money, which he
can't do because he doesn't have a job,

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so he was stressing about that.
He's been stressing about the job.

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But that's why I started to buy
puzzles and paint to get his mind off

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of them, which is what we
I don't know if you noticed on the

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wall in there, it's all of
our artwork and stuff, so I don't

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know. I mean music, art
and playing with the dogs, dancing around

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the room with the dogs, and
then decided to play hide and seek because

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we're always trying to outdo each other
on where we could find we can hide

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the best. Even though these sound
like made up excuses, something tells me

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these people might actually have been the
type to play hide and seek. How

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often you guys play hide and seek? Gosh, that was maybe what the

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third time? Maybe? Okay,
is it a more recent game you've gotten

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into or three times in total in
your relationship you're talking about lately? Lately?

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Because again, like we were puzzled
out, we're paying it already,

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so why not. All Sarah remembered
is that she and George called and talked

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about his two daughters, then called
Sarah's son Lucas, before playing hide and

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seek. By this time, it
was dark outside. Okay, so you

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know it's dark out, but you're
not really sure what time it is you

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play hide and seek? How when
you guys playing, I didn't seek before

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he decides to get into the suitcase. Wasn't approximant, It wasn't really I

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hit upstairs in the shower and then
came downstairs because I was tired of hanging

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out in the shower. Okay,
so that's when he was playing around in

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the suitcase. So because we both
thought it was funny that, Oh yeah,

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well I'm gonna zip you up.
Uh huh, you didn't come look

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for me. So again, it's
a broken suitcase. But what do you

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mean more broken? It's only got
one of these. But because I didn't

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zip it up all the way,
he was doing the You mean it doesn't

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have like the poll part correct?
Okay, but no, it's gotta I

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think it's gotta what do you call
it? A piper clip? Okay,

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so the sipper to it is missing, like the actual zipper that attaches to

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it to help you open and close
is missing. But you think a paper

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clip was on it instead, there
is a paper I believe there's a paper

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clip on it because I know that
the last time you used to like help

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us assume well, or you can
just stick your fingers in there and right,

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yeah, yeah, you zile yourself, which is why I did not

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zip it up all the way.
So how much did you zip it up?

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I mean I don't really know.
He said his finger, he was

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his fingers were able to stick out, Yeah, two fingers, okay,

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Yeah, so I'm figuring he he'll
go get it, he'll get it.

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But then I wanted to go upstairs
and waited for him, and eventually I

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guess I fell asleep. I had
the dogs in the bed with me,

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was warm, and then fell asleep. Doesn't she know that during hide and

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Seek, you can't all be hiding
as someone playing the rules of this game.

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To this woman, someone has to
be actually seeking. That's the point.

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That's why it's in the name of
the thing. I can't get over

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how strange this explanation is. To
get a better understanding of Sarah and George's

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dynamic, police spoke with the property
manager of the apartment complex. Sarah and

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George had lived in their unit for
a couple of years by this point,

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and the property manager had quite a
bit to say Sarah when shortly after she

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moved in um with George, she
came into the office to talk to me.

410
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:45,719
We noticed bruises and stuff are and
she asked me if she could talk

411
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,360
to me priorly and asked how I
could how she would be able to get

412
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,000
George of the lease. Is there
anywhere you need a where? She prompted

413
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,800
deeper conversation. She was as let
me know, and was showing me a

414
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,800
lot of buses. A marse Prince
strates at one point had to go to

415
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:08,320
the hospital or multiple conversations that we
had had it sadly progressed. You know,

416
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:13,599
she had a very large gash at
one point in her shin. She

417
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,039
had to go to the hospital and
get that taken care of. But you

418
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:20,239
know, she came to me at
one point asking, you know, what

419
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,519
do I do by health? And
I didn't get rid of him. You

420
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:27,039
know, I don't dealt with this
type of situation. Um. I just

421
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:30,639
canceled her as she continued to come
to me and explained her that you know,

422
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,400
she had to make a decision if
she was going to stay with him

423
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,760
or not be with him, because
she was going to try to work things

424
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,960
out out. There be something.
Um. It wasn't too long after that

425
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:49,119
last conversation that I found out the
police again and Georgie was arrested. Less

426
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:53,719
than a year prior to the suitcase
incident, George was arrested for battery or

427
00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,519
dating violence. As Florida calls it, here's Sarah's ex husband again. They've

428
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:14,960
got a whole fun history. Really
really okay, I'm not there, I

429
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:22,000
haven't been here personally. He's current
because of it with her. Yes,

430
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:30,679
Okay, he got him were trials
something or other. He had to go

431
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,440
to a arm semestic violence class.
I don't know he was doing it a

432
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:38,960
role officer, stuff like that,
but I mean, like today she was

433
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:45,639
trying to get about. Sarah told
police that George had hit her, that

434
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,719
she had been beaten in the face, head, legs, and arms.

435
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,159
She told them she begged George to
stop, and that Georgia allegedly replied,

436
00:39:55,159 --> 00:40:00,880
you are going to die. Sarah
said, He then punched her in the

437
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,920
head and threw her off the bed. This incident was apparently triggered by Sarah

438
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:12,679
talking to another guy. The officer
who responded to this call noted that Sarah

439
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:19,079
did have injuries to her face and
hairline and scratches on her neck. He

440
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,039
also noted that George had scratches on
his neck as well, though he couldn't

441
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:30,639
remember how they happened, we know
they drank from Would you heard combining a

442
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:39,760
lot? Would you hear? Sarah's
odd behavior makes a lot more sense when

443
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,119
you factor severe alcoholism into the equation. She wasn't just a wine mom.

444
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,280
She was that crazy, falling down
drunk neighbor person. The complaints throughout their

445
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,639
whole term, roughly about twenty to
thirty moys complaints, fighting, arguing,

446
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,760
banging on doors, about music is
just always something pertaining to their lifestyle.

447
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,639
I do know that I have seen
both of them intoxicated as early as nine

448
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:09,719
o'clock in the morning, and I
mean staggering, falling down intoxicated, both

449
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:16,400
of them. And there was always
some point that I had received about some

450
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:21,079
fighting. One day that was going
on, and Sarah was actually wandering around

451
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:27,280
the property very girl, barefoot.
I'm not properly dressed. I'll say it

452
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,880
like that, sitting on the side
of her building. A lether retention far

453
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:38,519
Sarah and George's next door neighbor also
had a few odd interactions with the couple,

454
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:45,639
like what do you mean interactions?
I remember one night she slept on

455
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,519
the back porch of my apartment for
some reason. I don't remember much,

456
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:59,480
but I just remember like looking at
those shave see like laid down. Did

457
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:04,840
you wake her? No? I? Okay? And by sleeping, um,

458
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,920
you guys all have like a cement
area, right, like a back

459
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,400
patio, but it's not enclosed.
Um, just what she had a chair

460
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:17,719
on the ground or ground on the
ground, Okay, Any other run ins

461
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,239
with her. She witnessed with her, I was coming home from class one

462
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,559
night. I would not be able
to give you a time period, sure

463
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,280
when it is. And I was
waiting on my roommate to get home because

464
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,840
I had left my keys in the
apartment. And I remember I she came

465
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,880
over and was talking to me for
a minute, and it was very visible

466
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,599
that like she was talking to me
because she didn't want to be to her

467
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:51,280
apartment. I don't know why,
but I didn't ask, but okay,

468
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,440
it's just very evident that she didn't
want to be there. Would you already

469
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,880
speak with George by herself? Like
didn't you ever find any about their relationship?

470
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,199
The one time where like I was
just saying that when I talked to

471
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,079
her, she wanted me. She
asked me to go talk to him,

472
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,000
but she's like, please, but
with the fear of guy and the fear

473
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:13,760
guy, I'm a very extern property
manager. You know, I don't tell

474
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:20,519
her him alone, right, And
she knew that, and um, she

475
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,800
seemed scary him at the time.
So I said, sure, I'd probably

476
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,880
just stay here, I would talk
to him. I when I sat down

477
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,360
and talked to George, her I'll
turn her about thirty minutes altogether. And

478
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,920
you know, George had explained to
me that she was actually the arrestive one,

479
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,920
and the reason she ended up with
marks is in my I'll say,

480
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,639
my perception of what he was trying
to explain is that she's wearying hands on

481
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:52,280
in the face, you know,
dramatized and talking to him explaining or fustle

482
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,559
letter they might even do him.
And I believe that because Jean, my

483
00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:00,320
assistant, doesn't want to deal with
her or or like the play, because

484
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:04,960
she was always here already, she
carried hands on. There was one day

485
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,760
my precord was that same day that
I talked to George by himself, she

486
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,400
kept grabbing me by the arms,
to the point that I told her,

487
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,880
I said, you know, I'm
either going to contact the police or whatever

488
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,840
we need to do, but she
can't keep grabbing. I had asked for

489
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,000
several times to care touch him.
Maybe the property manager was onto something.

490
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,599
Turns out some of what she had
to say was backed up by police records.

491
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:37,760
A year before George was arrested on
battery charges, both Sarah and George

492
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,519
were arrested for battery against each other. The first case in twenty eighteen,

493
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:47,760
was sparked by Sarah asking another man
for a cigarette at a bar. This

494
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,199
version is all according to Sarah.
By the way, apparently George was angry

495
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,440
about her talking to another man,
and the two went back home and continued

496
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:06,119
arguing. Sarah claimed the conversation became
physical when George dragged her upstairs, and

497
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,599
in the process, she told officers
George kicked her in the eye with his

498
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:16,559
heel. She refused medical treatment.
George's sequence of events was a bit different,

499
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:22,119
though. He told police that they
were both home that night, drinking

500
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:27,159
and arguing as they do. George
said that he tried to go upstairs to

501
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,039
avoid Sarah, but on his way
up the stairs, she grabbed his throat

502
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,360
with both hands and began choking him. Both Sarah and George are relatively small,

503
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:44,480
skinny people, and George said he
couldn't breathe. George told them that

504
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,960
at this point he kind of collapsed
and was sitting on the steps kicking at

505
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:53,719
Sarah trying to get her off of
him. He said he really felt like

506
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:59,239
he was going to suffocate if he
didn't stop her, and in the process

507
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,199
of frantically kicking, he admitted that
he may have kicked her in the face.

508
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:10,760
The kicker here is that the injuries
more closely matched George's version of events

509
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:17,840
See what I did there. Officers
took photos of the strangulation, marks and

510
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:25,360
abrasions on his neck and of Sarah's
bruised eye. Both of them were arrested.

511
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:32,639
The second incident in twenty nineteen ignited
when George allegedly stormed into Sarah's bedroom

512
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,440
while she slept and began screaming,
punching her, and pulling her hair.

513
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:45,079
During the deputies encounter with Sarah,
he noted that she was angry, obviously

514
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,159
very upset, and continued to apologize
and state that she was fed up with

515
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,320
being hit. The officer saw that
there were marks on the left side of

516
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,719
her neck, under her jaw,
and an old bruise on her eye that

517
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:04,400
he stated was from an incident a
few days prior. In this case,

518
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:08,400
when cops were questioning Sarah, George
wasn't around to tell his side of things.

519
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:15,039
When they did finally track him down, he acted very surprised to see

520
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,400
them. An officer noted that George
had some injury near his eye, but

521
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:27,679
refused medical treatment. The report mentions
several times how surprised George was, especially

522
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,719
when they asked George what happened to
Sarah. He told them point blank that

523
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,719
he didn't know. When they asked
him how she got the marks on her

524
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,800
neck, George alluded to the fact
that he himself gets hit all the time.

525
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,599
He asked the officer, what am
I supposed to do? They told

526
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:52,639
George, okay, well, why
don't you call the police on her when

527
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:58,119
this happens. George said he wouldn't
do that, So they said, did

528
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:02,719
you give her those marks in self
defense? He said no. Then they

529
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,480
asked did you hit her because she
hits you? And George refused to answer.

530
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:15,400
For the rest of the interview,
he was arrested for battery. So

531
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:20,719
now fast forward almost a year and
we're back to February of twenty twenty.

532
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,440
On the twenty third, the day
before George's death, he had a short

533
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:31,880
phone conversation with his brother. His
brother's recollection of that call gave detectives a

534
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:38,079
good idea of how the relationship had
been going lately, despite Sarah's report that

535
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:44,199
they had been getting along swimmingly.
We were talking, I was playing dominoes

536
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:49,639
with my kids and my wife,
and at first I wasn't going to pick

537
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,800
it up. Then I picked up
because they were always fighting and stuff with

538
00:48:55,159 --> 00:49:00,639
Oh God. So he started talking. He was calm, so I was

539
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:05,960
like, okay, so I'll put
it on speaker, so my kids are

540
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,079
there, like they're joking around on
it. He was joking around with them

541
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,960
and we're talking, and then he's
talking to me about when we as kids,

542
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,239
and then like a couple of minutes
after that, she that's when I

543
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,039
hear in the back start arguing with
him, No, I have to call

544
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:25,599
my brother. I have to talk
to him. And he's like, no,

545
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,199
I'm talking to my brother. It
was her phone, so and then

546
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,920
she starts arguing and telling them that
no, I'll tell them what you've been

547
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,360
doing to me. You choke me, this and that. But he was

548
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:44,960
calm, and he was like,
okay, I gotta let you go on.

549
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,280
And then he said I love you, and I told him my love

550
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:57,320
basically with it. So she yells
in the background, tell telling what you've

551
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,000
been doing to me, You've been
choking me. Yeah. Did you ask

552
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:07,480
him anything about that? No?
Because the thing with them, they would

553
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,920
fight and they would hit each other
because there was times she came here and

554
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,880
she had hit him with her phone
and he had a black guy, so

555
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:19,840
it was like, did you witness
them? I didn't get to see it,

556
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:24,480
but he told him. Okay,
So so you guys know that there's

557
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,000
domestic between the team, and I
told them to get out of there,

558
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:32,840
get out of there. I would
tell him leave, And what's crazy is

559
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,599
that he would leave come here,
and she would call and tell him to

560
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:42,679
come back, and she would come
and get them. I've been you know,

561
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:46,119
told about my neighbors. I'm sorry, I don't have it anymore.

562
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:51,280
But at one point, attendant actually
sent us a video. But yeah,

563
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,760
there fighting and leading on each other
out in my car. I thought she

564
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,000
evermated someone, you know, or
it was an emergency. She could reach

565
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,800
out to me and I would do
my but I've didn't help her. You

566
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:04,679
called out for But after a while, she just kept taking him back and

567
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,239
taking him back. I just saw
arrest him. You know, he's just

568
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,840
gonna called it, I thought,
because you don't wanted to stop. You

569
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,840
know, he's not doing anything to
get help and bring to you, and

570
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:16,880
you just keep dealing with it.
I mean, you know, there comes

571
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,960
a point where it's just stupid.
The common denominator here is that Sarah's version

572
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:30,519
of incidents seemed to consistently leave out
or twist some details, shifting all of

573
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:36,119
the blame off of herself and onto
someone else. And let me tell you,

574
00:51:37,199 --> 00:52:07,519
it only gets worse from here,
folks. On February twenty fifth,

575
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:14,920
twenty twenty, Orange County deputies recovered
the body of George Torres Junior from the

576
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:21,519
suitcase he died in and performed an
autopsy. The next day, they spoke

577
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:27,800
to Sarah in the interrogation room.
So this morning we went for his autopsy

578
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:35,360
and we were informed of some injuries
that he has by the doctor. So

579
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:39,920
he's got scotch marks to his back. I know that's fun, okay,

580
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:45,559
And it's called contusion. Do you
know what contusion is? So like,

581
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,480
basically you're getting hit and then you
know, you get a mark from it.

582
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,039
You'll get bruising, like someone hate
you or something like. That's called

583
00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:00,280
a contusion. So he had some
injuries to his left shoulder. He he

584
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,960
had to cut me or he's like
lip. We could see we could see

585
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,159
his mouth as a hole. I
haven't liked the hand on him. Okay,

586
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,679
also too, I he fell off
my son's bike, Okay, so

587
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,119
I don't know. And he's notorious
for running into the wall or the halting

588
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:22,239
as a why Okay, I don't
know. What about the scratches because there's

589
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:28,880
also sex, yes, okay,
because there's also like a like a scratch

590
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,760
on the back of his neck like
kind of like going but it's like going

591
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,760
straight across. I have no idea
what that's from. And they're all recent

592
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,639
like if they occurred recently, it
wasn't something that occurred post or that occurred

593
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,840
a week ago, two days ago, three days ago. They definitely occurred,

594
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,920
you know, the night leading up
so when he was in all honesty,

595
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,039
all honestly, we had not gotten
into it. Okay, That's why

596
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,920
I like, the only thing I
thought you guys were going to ask me

597
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,079
about, which I was going to
ask with you. Anyway, I just

598
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,679
scratched marks on his back. Everything
else. I have no idea what it

599
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,960
is. Didn't she just say that
the bruises and other injuries were from falling

600
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:10,280
off a bike and running into walls. Now she's saying she doesn't know about

601
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,400
the bruises. She only has an
explanation for these scratch marks. We're just

602
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,960
talking about what occurred Sunday, because, like I said, the injuries are

603
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,639
they occurred within that time period.
So you're talking about day before yesterday,

604
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:30,280
Sunday leading into Monday. You called
it yesterday at once. So but the

605
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,119
incident you guys were painting and stuff
the night prior, correct, So we're

606
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:39,920
talking about Sunday. Why I thoroughly
confused, because we had a good time

607
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,079
sitting on the back porch having wine
and snow, a couple of cigarettes,

608
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:50,599
and then decided to go inside and
literally paint, do puzzles and play and

609
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,079
listen a music. That's why nobody
got out of sorts. This is what

610
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,320
mind blowing to me, Like I
don't, I have no nobody laid a

611
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:06,079
hand on any boy. Here's their
next door neighbor. Again, he remembers

612
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,599
what he heard that night, and
it wasn't all fun in games. My

613
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:15,400
bedroom shares all with their lower half
of their in the lower half. Okay,

614
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:22,079
do you recall hearing anything coming from
Apartment three while you were After you

615
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:29,639
had gotten home around ten thirty,
there was a very loud crashing sound where

616
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,360
I believe I'm not sure, having
been in their arming, I remained that

617
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,719
I believe it is the location of
the the staircase. Okay, so a

618
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,679
little bit of a very loud music
crashing sound. Yeah, like it sounded

619
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:52,480
like something down the stairs because it
started out high and then abandoned. Hmm.

620
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,760
Sounds a lot like he's describing a
heavy suitcase being thrown down a flight

621
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:05,000
of steps. He also had um
like on the left side of his forehead.

622
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,320
He had basically bruising and like his
head and his skull. I have

623
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,639
no idea as if something hit him. I consider not for such Tarama.

624
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:21,679
I have not touched him. I
have not touched him. How would you

625
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:25,599
get those? Tell me and we'll
both know I have not touched him.

626
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,599
We had a good day. It
was a good day. We've had good

627
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,840
days lately, even considering everything that's
going on with our jobs and life in

628
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,800
general and ex wives and everything,
it's been good. Like I don't even

629
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:45,920
know where this is coming from.
Yeah, I think latched physical was probably

630
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:51,159
you said, I think what a
month ago where you got those injury right?

631
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,320
You said, the us every weeks
ever take yeah, a few weeks.

632
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,599
That was the last like physical altercation
between the two of you. Um.

633
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:01,239
Month ago, you was a curtain
Rod. Yeah, like Curtin Rod.

634
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,239
That's why I can't leave you.
Guys didn't take that either. Like

635
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,840
we've been good. I don't know
if like it's since the last time he

636
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,039
got out of jail. Like we've
been good and he's been having his classes

637
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,719
men him seeing his pribation officer,
who's amazing. So what do you mean

638
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,599
by good? What's your definition?
Deformation officer? I know you said you

639
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:29,199
guys have been good? What's your
definite? I've been good. I don't

640
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:31,480
think you will understand. He comes
at me all the time. He comes

641
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:37,039
at me. Then why are you
still with him? Everybody asked me that

642
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:43,159
when I tell you guys this,
I really love who like I do,

643
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,239
and I feel like I can help
him, like I feel like I could

644
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,239
help him, which I did,
because he's come a really he came a

645
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,800
really long way from where he was
in Philadelphia to moving back to hear and

646
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,920
to dealing with everything else that he's
been dealing with. I just really helped

647
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,519
him. I failed not a jail, but three times. I've gone to

648
00:58:01,719 --> 00:58:06,199
every single hearing and every single arrayment, everything that I did for him,

649
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,920
going to see all his public defenders, go to the state. I've gone

650
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,840
to the state. I did everything
for him to get him, trying to

651
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,400
help him because I had but I
hope inness and he was trying. He

652
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:22,000
was really trying. Just then he
starts to think about things and it just

653
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,559
I think he gets overwhelmed, and
then it's like the next thing to know,

654
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:30,000
he's drinking. So it's like,
oh, man, I know where

655
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,880
this is going to go. So
I'm gonna go upstairs and read a book,

656
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,280
or I'm gonna go for a bike
ride, or I'm gonna do something

657
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,280
else where. I don't want to
drink. I don't want to drink the

658
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:45,400
intentional wine whatever. Or if it's
a weekend, that's when you have a

659
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,639
good time. You don't have to
wake up the next day. I have

660
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,039
to wake up the next day and
do things. I have to tend to

661
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:52,239
Lucas, I have to take him
to school. I have all this stuff

662
00:58:52,320 --> 00:59:00,800
to do. He doesn't know how
to, I guess maintain himself where I

663
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:06,760
can do fifty things at once and
still know the fifty things more previously prior

664
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,960
that I need to get done.
He can't process like that. He didn't

665
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,559
process like that, so he would
literally not literally, but had school come

666
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,360
out of his years. So the
next thing, you know, he doesn't

667
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,320
want to deal with it. I'm
going to go get something to drink.

668
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,039
So the majority of the time I
would hang out outside or do something else

669
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:28,719
because I don't want to drink.
The man you're about to hear from is

670
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,440
a maintenance worker at Sarah and George's
apartment complex, and he's also a childhood

671
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,000
friend of George's from back in Philadelphia. They were close friends from the time

672
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:45,760
George was fourteen to his mid twenties. They reconnected fifteen years or so later

673
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:50,920
when George moved into his unit.
Throughout the years that the couple lived in

674
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,199
this apartment building, the maintenance guy
had been in and out for repairs.

675
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:00,400
He was around a lot and he
saw a lot. This allowed him to

676
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:07,199
get to know Sarah pretty well.
He often chatted with George separately, rekindling

677
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:15,159
their friendship and eventually had some deep
conversations with George about his relationship or world

678
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:20,119
of the fact that George had a
probation officer, he was in handler management,

679
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,679
and again they had the good times
are bad times. Sometimes he would

680
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:30,880
instigate the situations when Jordan at the
times Sarah Boom instigating the situations and she

681
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:35,559
ended up with buses. But that's
more of him, like I push him

682
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,199
off of himself, okay, and
that's when he's helped him. Yes,

683
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:47,480
very hard. Sarah verified idea Okay. Where they did they both drink off?

684
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,199
Yes, yes, okay, excess? What in excess? They didn't

685
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,000
drink to drink. They drank to
smar as the sunset all the time.

686
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:06,280
In between, they just had a
very rocking physical delisionship. I don't know.

687
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,239
Did you re see marks of bruises
on him? Yes? Okay,

688
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:15,320
like what scratches on the back kind
of he said with him with her attacking,

689
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:21,639
Kennedy's kind of just trying to stop
her bad but because she's such lights

690
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,360
and as soon as he touched it, instant bruses old across the arms and

691
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:30,199
things of that nature. Right,
Even though Sarah kept repeating over and over

692
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,320
to police that she and George had
been doing well over the past several weeks,

693
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,440
she told the maintenance man something different. Entirely did they had it until

694
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:45,280
fight? He grabbed it by the
hair and dropper downstairs two days probably about

695
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,400
two days to this situation, so
that would be Saturday, over the weekend

696
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,760
took place a little again, satas
AIRSI okay. Then she told us that

697
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,840
they were playing out and see he
went to the suit shed they she loves.

698
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:06,920
She passed out, So they just
had another blowout argument. A few

699
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,320
days prior to George's death. According
to Sarah, she got dragged by her

700
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:17,039
hair again. Who knows what else
ensued, what other details she might be

701
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:23,000
leaving out. The important part is
that Sarah was probably angry after that encounter

702
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:30,199
and felt like she had the right
to hurt George in response. And no,

703
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:36,119
I'm not just speculating about this.
This time, Sarah didn't just scratch

704
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,679
at his neck to try to strangle
him in the heat of a scuffle.

705
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:45,760
It seems like some parts of this
crime were planned out. I got the

706
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,599
puddles and the faint to frank get
him off of it, so we don't

707
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,920
have a drink, or he didn't
have a drink. So when you all

708
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,800
see my phone, you can see
all of the damage he has done to

709
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:04,400
me, and the videos advance smashing
my television because he's solligerently drunk. Well,

710
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,920
most of the times, I just
don't want to be there and I

711
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,280
try to help him. I try
to calm him down, eventually he just

712
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,719
passes out. Well, yesterday,
I mean it sound like you guys were

713
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,519
just drinking like a glass or two, like, yeah, you obviously have

714
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,719
the bottle, but you I mean
you told me on the yeah, but

715
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,440
you told me on recording like that
you were not drunk. He was not

716
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:28,800
drunk. You guys were at by
a good time. I don't get I

717
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,840
can't get drunk. I never why
I do not want to get drunk.

718
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,280
I don't like being non complimentious,
having my wits about myself. I don't

719
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:44,199
like feeling out of control. So
I'm just saying you're you're making it sound

720
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,639
like like he's a raging alcoholic today
and yesterday. I was kind of asking

721
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:51,920
you those questions, and you're like
a little defensive, like, no,

722
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,920
we're not alcoholics. He I'm value
or not, you know, but you

723
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:00,719
guys are both sober on Sunday to
your knowledge is when I said you went

724
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,679
and passed out, you were like, no, I didn't pass out,

725
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:06,159
I just fell asleep. So now
it's kind of like, what is it.

726
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:11,840
Were you guys drinking and it got
out of here and it got physical?

727
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:15,159
No or is it Sunday? It
was one of the better days that

728
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,840
we have had in quite some time. Unfortunately, for Sarah, the truth

729
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:27,159
of her drunkenness would probably have helped
her in this case. She must have

730
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:33,599
been so wasted the night before she
totally forgot what was on her phone when

731
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:39,960
she offered it up to detectives as
proof of George's abuse. What they found

732
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:46,119
instead was proof that Sarah had murdered
George. Have you, guys ever played

733
01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:49,639
you said you played Hide, and
seems like probably three times in your relationship

734
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:54,880
when you have played. Have you
ever zipped him up in a suitcase prior?

735
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,480
No? Okay, So it was
just kind of like that prop was

736
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,559
there, and it was there,
and it was in play. Because why

737
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:05,599
do you say it like that,
though I would care review that you would

738
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:10,000
never up I'm up in a suitcase? Well, I mean, I mean

739
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:13,480
we were playing. No I did, but I but I'm saying I'm talking

740
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,719
about how I didn't seek, which
is a game. So um, okay.

741
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:24,639
So do you remember making any videos
or maybe having any cover anything,

742
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:31,880
any photos videos that you remember doing
on your phone on Sunday? No,

743
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:38,639
I think I took a picture of
a dog okay, okay, um.

744
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:44,039
So I have something that I want
to show you that we found and it

745
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:51,440
was from your phone. Can you
see you? Can you to move it

746
01:05:51,519 --> 01:06:02,400
around? Ahead? No, I
don't remember that for everything? Your bat

747
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:15,519
is it long? Because I don't
know how much I hate I don't know

748
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:20,639
how much I can do it conveniently. Just as detectives were revealing the smoking

749
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:28,719
gun, Sarah pointed out that the
laptop was dying, and then it did.

750
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:34,719
Here's the video they found on her
phone. It showed the downstairs area

751
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:41,320
of the couple's apartment and a dark
colored suitcase faced down on the floor,

752
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:49,679
except the suitcase was moving and a
small voice could be heard coming from inside

753
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:56,920
of it, pleading for Sarah to
let him out. Do I have to

754
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,599
watch this? I can us?
We throw up. I don't sleep.

755
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,079
I don't want to see it.
If that's okay, Well, it's on

756
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:09,280
your phone and you can either explain
it or we take it for what it

757
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,239
is. We're just trying to give
a new opportunity to tell us what's going

758
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,360
on. That's for everything you've send
to me, Sah, for everything you've

759
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:30,760
gend to me. So fuck you, so fuck you, Sala stupid Sarah,

760
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:38,599
it's my name. Don't wear it
to I cannot talk out where you

761
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:43,320
be Sarasi. Yeah, that's when
you do, and he shoke me.

762
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:49,400
S First of all, Sarah is
absolutely wasted in this video. You can

763
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:55,440
hear it in her voice. Second
of all, this man still kept his

764
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:01,519
calm demeanor and even called Sarah babe
as he was dying in the suitcase that

765
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:09,440
she trapped him in. Needless to
say, this audio is horrific. Sarah

766
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:19,680
Sarah Okara, I can't breathee.
That's on you. Sarah, I can't

767
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:28,880
breathe. That's on you. Sarah. Reel around and I want to give

768
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:44,039
video for extram, gonna get Sarah
Lund Sarah, I can't breathe. Oh

769
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:50,680
that's what I feel like when you
cheat on me, Sarah youth. So

770
01:08:51,840 --> 01:09:02,039
yeah, he should probably shut the
fuck up. There's two different videos and

771
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:05,520
still a picture where yeah, it
shows you he's flipping in the different positions

772
01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:12,000
and him saying that he can't breathe. So this is upside down. So

773
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,800
in order for him to have gotten
into it, it was flipped up right.

774
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:19,600
It was flipped up normal, like
if you're packing something. So this

775
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,760
is upside down. Guys, this
is killing me right now. So this

776
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:30,600
image is upside down, and then
the small video that occurred eleven minutes later,

777
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:36,359
it's flipped over the other way,
closer to your dining room table.

778
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,720
Okay, now he's obviously still in
there, so he didn't How did that?

779
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,640
How did it go from the back
to the front. I flipped it?

780
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,880
Okay. My plan was not to
go upstairs and go to sleep.

781
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:54,439
Well that's what you did, but
not intentionale. No, you told me

782
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,359
you went upstairs because you were at
Harry for bed stops here. Okay,

783
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:03,840
but show me where you can see
any fingers coming out, because there is

784
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:10,960
the end. It's in his head's
right here. So going like this rather

785
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,319
than going all the way up it's
like this. But why is he saying

786
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,079
I can't breathe? And why is
he pushing on it as if he can't

787
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:24,159
get out? There's no hole,
there's no fingers. I don't see his

788
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:27,600
fingers, there's no holes. I
don't know what you want me to tell

789
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,800
you, like, I don't know
like what you want me to tell you.

790
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:32,039
I'm just showing you. I'm just
telling you what we see and what

791
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:38,119
we've heard from the iggin. I
understand he's begging to let for you to

792
01:10:38,199 --> 01:10:42,960
let him out. You sound you're
laughing in the beginning, and then in

793
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:46,199
the end it sounds kind of like
a no, it's not malicious. Oh

794
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:54,920
say it's not malicious. What does
fuck you mean to you? Well,

795
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:57,880
like if you're just if artists tell
my life? She says, like,

796
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,279
I get told everything but white woman. So I my intention was not to

797
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:10,239
leave him in there. Please understand
that My intention was not to leave him

798
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:14,399
in there. But you went upstairs
thinking that he could get himselt out.

799
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,720
But the video shows at five point
when I seen his fingers, he'll be

800
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:24,800
up here any bed, and then
thirty minutes later he didn't show, and

801
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,920
I shareing like that. Do you
think you told me he was laughing?

802
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,159
And we were, but were you
there's there's no wars got in there.

803
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,840
Both of us were How long was
he in there for? Like this video

804
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,640
is an eleven twelve when it starts, so it was he in there for

805
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,600
like a long time prior to know
or he was no? No, so

806
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,840
it goes from funny to no longer
funny. But you're the only one laughing.

807
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:55,880
But I didn't think that he was
like pantykey, like I didn't I

808
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:01,079
so pushing up on a suitcase,
saying Sarah Sarah, Sarah, I can't

809
01:12:01,159 --> 01:12:05,319
breathe, George, she's done that
in the past before, to where it's

810
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:09,880
just like he thinks that he's well
with me kind of thing where it's like

811
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:12,520
you've never been lost in a suitcase, but now are you going to get

812
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,239
out? So please don't. I
don't need to sound negative, and I

813
01:12:16,279 --> 01:12:19,560
don't know if I can't say this, but like it's like you guys are

814
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,239
kind of trying to like feed me, Like no, I'm just trying to

815
01:12:23,279 --> 01:12:26,119
show you a video that you no
longer want to watch because you probably don't

816
01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:29,159
want to know the outcome of how
and what you said. Well, I

817
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:32,439
know what, you know what's on
that video? Now, now you remember

818
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:38,159
making that video. So why don't
you remember making the video? Probably because

819
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:41,920
we have been drinking, but you
weren't drunk. And that's how the whole

820
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:46,920
rest of this interrogation went. Sarah
continually tried to go back and forth on

821
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:54,800
whether they were drunk or not,
and adamantly repeated that she thought George should

822
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,600
have been able to get out of
the suitcase over and over again. She

823
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:05,159
claimed she had no malicious intentions when
she went upstairs to bed and just left

824
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:08,880
him there. So you all think
that it's like, oh good, I

825
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,359
got him in there, Now I'm
going to go to sleep. Is thout

826
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:15,880
you guys are trying to assume,
are trying to like or just the video

827
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:23,800
is very portraying of the opposite of
what you told us. It is not.

828
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:29,359
It is not leading up. It
is not matching what statement you gave

829
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,840
us in the car. So and
that's why we want to know. And

830
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:38,119
I don't remember you're doing this.
The injuries are not consistent with what you've

831
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:42,119
told us. So we have a
lot of inconsistencies. And it's a video

832
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:50,000
explained itself. It really truly does. There's this so it doesn't matter anything

833
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:54,560
what it is I say, So, it makes no difference whatsoever. It's

834
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,960
just you keep you're lying and like
you're not you're now changing, you're lying

835
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,560
about what you're now now now you're
I ever said that I was dropped exactly

836
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:09,359
what you did here today. That's
okay. So everything's everything are valid.

837
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,760
You bring it on alcohol. Alcohol
does a lot to people, yes,

838
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,199
but I never said I was dropping. You did so you did, you

839
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:21,800
did a sober You knowingly left them
down there sober. I have already told

840
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,600
both in you also that we were
both drinking, right, but you want

841
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,319
to admit that you were drunk?
Is that? I am telling you all

842
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:38,039
those this has changed my life.
I will pay this. I don't know.

843
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:45,920
That's interestingment. Absolutely. Sarah was
arrested at the end of her interview

844
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,439
and was charged with second degree murder
and the death of George Torres Junior.

845
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:58,399
This all caught her a bit by
surprise. Wait, why isn't the gas

846
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:03,680
lighting working? This has always worked
before. These upcoming clips are lengthy but

847
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:13,640
well worth it. Okay, Sarah, so you're not pretty though. Okay,

848
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,119
Tom, do you promise everything you
told us was the truth? Or

849
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:25,720
no? Everything we've talked about today? Yes? What do you mean?

850
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:30,680
I swear? Remember I swore you
yesterday on the on the audio recording.

851
01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:33,880
I just forgot so you raised his
hand to remind me to tell you.

852
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:38,079
Okay, do you promise. I'm
sure that everything we talked about today has

853
01:15:38,119 --> 01:15:42,119
been true and accurate to the best
of your knowledge or what's true, and

854
01:15:42,279 --> 01:15:45,199
I hear it to the best of
your knowledge. But that it was,

855
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:48,119
and I sent home everything you've said
today, everything that's come out in your

856
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:53,479
mouth, has been true and accurate
to the best of your knowledge, to

857
01:15:53,600 --> 01:16:00,079
the best of my knowledge. Correct, Yes, Why that's how you for

858
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:05,560
somebody to assure that everything that we
talked about is true and accurate to cove

859
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,880
best to that person, chaledge,
it's not a true question, to the

860
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,600
best of my knowledge, to the
best of your knowledge, everything that you've

861
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,119
told us to stay is true and
accurate to the best of your knowledge.

862
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:21,760
Yes, but it was not intentional. What coat all right? Give me

863
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:27,680
if I ever stand up? And
did you turn on Fastolf? But chians

864
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,920
behind your back? Do you have
anything in your pockets that I should know

865
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:42,359
about? Okay, life is happening
because George's death not intentionally. We understand

866
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,640
who's still did well? I used
to call Ryan? Please okay? Or

867
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,479
cannot make a something. You'll be
able to make a phone call when we

868
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,520
get you down to the jail.
So right, So this was a trick

869
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:02,279
you're to ask you to explain to
your things. You're right, You're right.

870
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:13,159
Your response to everything was basically,
I didn't do it intentionally. Don't

871
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:26,840
matter? Still my favorite how to
seek. Really, guys, really,

872
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:33,119
so if I didn't show up,
why are you trying? Because before y'all

873
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:36,840
said I could leave that I was
done as it is. After that,

874
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:42,159
we were done. Yes, we
were done. So now so that's what

875
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:49,479
it did. We were done right, not intentional? Okay, So what

876
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:57,039
am I supposed to do now?
Someone needs to call Brian. Lucas is

877
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:00,680
waiting for mom to come home.
This was not my attention. I thought

878
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,600
I was waiting for you all to
come and figure out what's what and how

879
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,920
many that's what we're trying to do. And I was going to be able

880
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:13,119
to go home and see Lucas.
Now he's just not going to have me

881
01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:16,840
come home. So there's nothing that
I can do. All right, now,

882
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,600
there's nothing that I can do in
order to go home and see Lucas

883
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:28,760
and prepare. You'll be afforded at
a time in court. You'll be afforded

884
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,640
an attorney, you'll be afforded a
chance to talk to a judge, and

885
01:18:33,039 --> 01:18:35,560
all that stuff will be worked out. But what's the time frame for that?

886
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,840
Though? I have in a way
of being able to tell you you

887
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,439
should make first appearance, probably right
tomorrow morning. It's not tonight, depending

888
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:48,560
how things are busy, how quickly
you get down there. I had an

889
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,119
work admission that's just going to happen, and I need water, like really

890
01:18:53,199 --> 01:19:13,479
bad. Please. Sarah pleaded not
guilty to her charges, and we may

891
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,760
never know if she ever got that
drink of water. She has, however,

892
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:25,039
had six lawyers, so there's that. Numerous attorneys have filed motions to

893
01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:30,319
withdraw from Sarah's case, some of
them approved for things like conflicts of interest,

894
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:39,239
but others for an irreparable relationship between
client an attorney. This woman sounds

895
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:45,359
like a real treat. Sarah sends
handwritten letters to the judge on a regular

896
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:54,239
basis, angry that her case still
hasn't been taken to trial. Well,

897
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:59,840
Sarah's getting her wish. Her trial
is scheduled for the beginning of April,

898
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:05,560
and by the time this episode is
released, the case should be either winding

899
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:13,840
down or have already been wrapped up. I'm sure you'll be seeing lots about

900
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,199
it on social media, so if
you can, you know, tell them

901
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:23,479
about our coverage of it. If
you don't mind, none of you tweet

902
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,680
anymore, do you? In any
case, it was Sarah's intention at the

903
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:34,319
time of this recording to pursue the
battered spouse syndrome as a defense color me

904
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:42,399
shocked. But hey, recording to
some of you, I just hate women.

905
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:48,560
Oh well, good luck, Sarah. I'm sure you'll do just fine

906
01:20:48,720 --> 01:21:15,840
gas lighting a whole jury. All
right, that's gonna do it. Guys,

907
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,720
thank you for joining us. Remember
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908
01:21:20,159 --> 01:22:04,479
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909
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:10,000
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910
01:22:10,119 --> 01:22:15,039
finally subscribes the Plus and I just
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911
01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:23,800
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912
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,439
It's never something I thought bothered me
until I listened to one without it,

913
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,880
and it was amazing. I've wanted
to say that I really appreciate everything

914
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,560
that your team does and then you
guys put a ton of work into this,

915
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:40,119
but I can't even imagine. I
cannot even imagine the amount of work

916
01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:42,600
to goose into it. So I
just want to say that I really appreciate

917
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,760
what you guys do and to keep
a good work. Thank you guys,

918
01:22:45,800 --> 01:23:02,079
so much. Belief