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I'm still waiting for you. Hi
everyone, thanks for listening to Shoes,

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booz and Tattoos. As always,
I'm Jess, I'm your host today.

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It's going to be a doozy of
an episode. There is a lot that

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goes into this. I will try
to make clear what is fact and what

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is legend. The people we're going
to talk about are real people, but

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a lot of the one of those
stories, a lot of these circumstances around

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these people are legends. Here there's
a warning as well. Some of those

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stories we're going to be talking about
today, I have wide variations. I

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obviously cannot cannot cover all of those, or we would be sitting here until

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next week. We're going to be
talking a lot about murder, mysterious deaths.

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There's a lot of death in this
episode Native American legends. Some maybe

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more accurate than others, and I
tried to do my best to find out

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the most accurate information I possibly could. But there is a lot out there

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on these So without further ado,
let's get right into it. This week

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we're going to be talking about the
Superstition Mountains in Arizona. We'll start this

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off at the very beginning. These
mountain ranges were formed twenty to thirty million

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years ago by volcanic activity. Now
these mountains, in particular, they were

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once part of a large caldera.
This is a volcanic feature formed by the

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collapse of a volcano into itself,
and then it resurges later on as a

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massive mountain. It's thought that the
mountain now the Superstition Mountains now are about

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a third of the size that they
once were. The highest peak here the

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highest point in the Superstition Mountains is
about five thousand and fifty seven feet or

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one thousand, five hundred and forty
one meters. Even the name Superstition Mountain

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with a name like that, there's
an interesting beginning. Before the eighteen hundreds,

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it was known by quite a few
different names. Different indigenous people called

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the mountain different things, and different
settlers would refer to the mountains in different

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ways. Some common ones were thunder
Mountain because it was believed to be the

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abode of the thunder God, Crooked
Top Mountain, and Mountain of Foam,

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just to name a couple of those. But the name Superstition Mountain came from

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farmers who settled near the mountain around
the eighteen sixties. The Pima people had

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a decent relationship with these farmers and
told them stories. These stories led the

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farmers to believe that the indigenous people
were a bit superstitious about the mountain and

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just started referring to it as Superstition
Mountain. Kind of caught on and stuck.

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One of the stories that the Pima
people told about the mountain was that

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of a great flood. Now,
as always, if I forget to mention

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my sources, I will be listing
them all in the show notes. There's

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a lot everything from YouTube to Amazon
Prime documentaries to all these different websites that

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I went through trying to find these
different stories and all this different information.

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This is from first People dot us
and this is the story of the flood

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on Superstitition Mountain. This is a
Pima legend, just something I kind of

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noticed. We know that if flood
happened at one point on this earth,

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there's evidence of it. Pretty much
every group of people, Indigenous, European,

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Spanish, they have stories of a
great flood. It's something that's interesting.

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It's something that I stumble across a
few times while doing this research.

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The Pima Native American tribe declares that
the father of all men and animals was

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Great Butterfly cherwit make, meaning Earthmaker. One day long ago, Great Butterfly

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fluttered down from the clouds to the
blue cliffs, where the two rivers met,

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later called the Verde and Salt Rivers. There he made man from his

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own sweat. From that day on, the people multiplied, but in time

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they grew selfish and Quarrelsome Earthmaker became
annoyed with their behavior and decided it might

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be best to drown all of them. But first he thought to warn them

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through the voices of the winds.
People of the Pima tribe called Wind Sky

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Spirit warned you to be honest with
one another and to live in peace from

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now on. Sua shaman of the
Pimas, interpreted to the people what North

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Wind had warned them about. What
a fool you are to listen to the

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voices of the winds, taunted his
tribesmen. On the next night, the

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same warning from Earthmaker was reported by
East Wind, who added chief Sky Spirit

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warns that all of you will be
destroyed by floods if you do not live

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nobler lives again. The Pimas mocked
the winds and ignored their warnings. The

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next night, west wind spoke,
reform people of the pimas, or your

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evil ways will destroy you. Then
the south wind breathed into Suah's ear.

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SUA, you and your good wife
are the only people worth saving. Go

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and make a large hollow ball of
spruce gum in which you and your wife

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can live as long as the coming
flood will last. Because Suah and his

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wife believe the warnings and were obedient, they set to work immediately on a

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high hill, gathering spruce gum and
shaping it into a large hollow ball.

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They stocked it with plenty of nuts, acorns, water, and bear and

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deer meats. Near the appointed time, Suah and his good wife look down

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sadly upon the lovely green valley.
They heard the songs of the harvesters,

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and they sighed to think of the
beauty about them that would be destroyed when

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the flood came through because of their
selfishness. Suddenly, a bright lightning flash

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and loud thunder rocked the blue cliffs. It was a signal for the flood

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to begin. Suah and his wife
went into the gumball arc and closed the

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door tightly. Swirling dark clouds surrounded
them. Torrents of rain poured down everywhere.

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For many days, the arc rolled
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After many many moons, the downpour
of rain stopped. The Arc settled

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upon the land again. High on
a mountaintop, Suah opened the door and

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stepped forth to see a tuna cactus
growing near his feet. He and his

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wife ate some of the red fruit
of a cactus plant. Below them,

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they saw water everywhere. That night, they retired again to the Ark.

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They must have slept a very long
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water had disappeared, the valleys were
green, and the bird's songs rang forth

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again. They went down into the
fertile valley and lived there for a thousand

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years. The forthcoming people prospered,
becoming known as the Pima tribe. These

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Pimas later believed a story that an
evil one named Huac lived behind Superstition Mountain.

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He was also called the devil of
Superstition Mountain because he tried to steal

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daughters from the Pimas. One day, Huacs secretly descended into the Pima valley,

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where the women were busy weaving.
He stole one of Suah's daughters.

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Suah followed him to his home behind
Superstition Mountain, where he observed his daughter

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treated as a servant girl by him. Suah have poisoned the cactus wine that

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his daughter served him. When he
drank it, Huac died instantly. After

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that, the world seemed less wicked, but always the Pimas feared that his

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evil spirit still lurked behind Superstition Mountain. Suah, shaman and inspired leader of

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the Pima tribe, taught his people
to build adobe houses, to dig gardens

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with bones and stones, to irrigate
their lamps from the rivers, and to

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raise sheep, horses and cattle,
and above all, to live in peace

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with one another. On his dying
day, Suah gathered his people and foretold,

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if you ever grow arrogant with wealth, if you ever become covetous of

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others lands, if you ever make
war for gain, if you ever disgrace

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yourselves before Chief of the Sky spirits, another flood will come upon you.

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If that happens again, bad persons
will never be saved. Only good persons

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will eventually live with the Sun God. Since that time, Pimas have believed

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Suah's prophecies and they never never go
into Superstition Mountain, but there are people

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love to tell the story of why
and how the Gumbal arc landed on Superstition

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Mountain, saving Sua and his good
wife, who became the beloved ancestors of

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their large and important Pima tribe.
Along with the stories of evil spirits being

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in the mountains, which is a
very prevalent theme with a lot of the

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legends that you read about when it
comes to the Native American legends surrounding this

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mountain range. There are also stories
of little people in the mountains luring people

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away from the trails never to be
seen again, portals to other dimensions or

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worlds, a hole leading down into
the lower world, or hell, phantom

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lights and sounds, and there's even
stories of a group of Apache warriors still

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guarding treasure in the mountains. Now
we're going to touch on the Apache Warriors

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later more towards the end of the
episode, but first I want to talk

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about the first non native people to
exploit here. I tried to go through

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and kind of put everything in order
as much I could. Some of the

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stuff's a little jail and bold and
I'm sorry about that. Let's start with

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the Spanish conquistador Francisco Coronado. He
came into Arizona to the Superstition Mountains in

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fifteen forty. He was searching for
the legendary seven Cities of Gold. His

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search brought him across many native tribes. Some were peaceful and others he left

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disease and destruction in his wake.
When he arrived at the Superstition Mountains.

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The conquistadors would write about their experience
with the Apaches. They considered them to

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be barbaric. They were living in
these little camps that were for like single

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families or for groups of warriors.
They didn't have established settlements where they farmed

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and raised animals quite as much as
some of the other native tribes. While

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at Superstition Mountain the Conquistadors were camping
out for a bit, Francisco Cornado had

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led a group of about two thousand
men to this area in search for one

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of these Cities of gold. While
some of his men started to disappear,

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pretty decent number of them disappeared a
few dozen, and then later their headless

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bodies started showing up. More and
more of these Spanish explorers disappeared would be

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later found decapitated. Their heads were
far from their bodies, Whether it was

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a couple hundred feet or a few
miles, it varied. They didn't want

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to risk losing more men, so
they ended up leaving Arizona with just tales

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of death. After this, sometime
in the sixteen hundreds, Jesuit priests settled

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in the area. They established churches. They were there for missionary work to

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help convert people, but they were
also said to have a little side gig.

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I guess you could say they were
said to be mining gold in the

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Superstition Mountains. There is some evidence
to back up this claim. Numerous Jesuit

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crosses and artifacts have been found in
the Superstition Mountains in areas that you would

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not expect them. A lot of
them buried in caves, stuck to walls

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of rock inside pretty deep caves,
mines, or in some instances, around

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holes with booby traps. Not as
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I did, the Jesuits did have
a good standing relationship with natives and Mexican

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immigrants or what then would have been
part of Mexico. I'm not really sure

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how all that went down. Honestly, that was something I wasn't so concerned

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with it. But I believe Arizona
at this time was somewhere in the middle

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of being Mexican territory and just Native
territory, in this kind of in between

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stage. The Jesuits settled here,
they had pretty decent relationships going on.

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There wasn't constant war, nothing like
that. But they were said to be

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taking gold out of Superstition Mountain somehow. This has not proven, but why

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else would there be mine throughout the
mountains containing these accurately dated crosses from the

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Jesuit priests. So I do tend
to think that they were mining. Whether

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they found gold or not, I'm
not sure. But at some point they

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did have to leave Arizona. They
were told to be missionaries elsewhere, so

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they did end up leaving. Now
the story, the reason I talked about

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the Jesuits a bit was because it's
thought that an old Jesuit mine or someplace

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maybe where they stashed gold that they
couldn't get out, is the reason for

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one of the most well known legends
in the Superstition Mountains, and that's the

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legend of the Last Dutchman's Gold they
think it could possibly be an abandoned Jesuit

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gold mine or stash, but a
more popular belief is that it was an

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abandoned mind from the Peralta family.
Whether the Peralta family had found a Jesuit

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gold mine or this is all legend. So we're going to talk a little

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bit about the Peralta family. Now, this is one of those stories that

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is a bit more legend than fact. I went through so many news articles,

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documentaries, videos, websites just to
try to find some kind of information

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on who these people were, and
it tends to just be legend. Grunge

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dot Com did put it in a
very good way to kind of break down

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the actual information that's there, along
with a little bit of the legend mixed

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up, as is true of nearly
any sufficient old and popular legend. There

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are many variations on the tail of
the Last Dutchman's Mind, but most complete

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versions start with the Paralta family.
According to Arizona Central, the Peraltas or

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a wealthy Mexican family led by patriarch
Don Miguel Peralta who operated several mines in

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the area of the Superstition Mountains.
In contrast, writer Gen Wolfe says,

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the Paralta says the Peraltas or cattle
ranchers. At any rate, tales agree

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that the Peraltas somehow came across a
large deposit of gold in the Superstition Mountains.

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That's a good news. The bad
news is that they all died,

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well almost all of them. Again. There are plenty of versions of this

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story, but the key details is
that the group of apaches killed all of

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the Peraltas but one. Maybe it
was because they didn't like the way the

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miners were treating land that was sacred
to them. Maybe they wanted the gold

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for themselves, Maybe they felt possessive
about the mine and its treasures, or

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maybe it was just one of those
run of the mill, no reason massacres

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that white people think happened all the
time. Apparently, at any rate,

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the Peralta massacre is a major element
of the story and commemorated by place names

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such as Massacre Falls, and one
version of the story, it was a

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different family who was killed, while
the Peralta is made off with a fortune

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while hiding all trace of their mind
like jerks. Now, part of this

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legend is that the Peraltas and the
Gonzales families were either working side by side

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and mines both head mines, or
were working together in one mine, one

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community. There are so many variations
to this story alone. There is a

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spot right down in front of Superstition
Mountain that is known as massacre grounds.

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This is where it said that all
of the Peralta and Gonzalez family were just

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the Peralta family were just the Gonzala's
family were murdered, the number of which

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is anywhere between one and four hundred. One hundred and four hundred, I

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should say anywhere between one and five
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where it starts to get a little
interesting. The Peraltas were said to have

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had maps that were carved on stone
that showed where their gold was how to

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get back there. Now, this
is interesting because there's a lot of controversy

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surrounding the Peralta stones. These weren't
found until much later. The Peraltas there

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were there in the mid eighteen hundreds. These stones were found I believe in

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the nineteen forties, I want to
say nineteen forties. It all kind of

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traces back to the Baron of Arizona. Now, this website Apache Junction Public

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Library was a huge help in a
lot of my research, especially for this

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dude, The Baron of Arizona.
Now, this was written by Tom Colinborne

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Colinborne, Yes in nineteen ninety nine, and this dude is fascinating and he

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also ties in with some other legends
that are in the Superstition Mountains. So

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one of Arizona's a most infamous characters
was a man named James Addison Revas,

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a man of dubious character and background
and one of the great land fraud schemers

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of the nineteenth century. His claim
on eighteen thousand, five hundred square miles

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of Arizona in New Mexico Territory as
part of an ancient Spanish land grant led

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to him being dubbed the Baron of
Arizona. James Addison Revs was born on

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May tenth, eighteen forty three,
in Henry County, not far from Clinton,

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Missouri. He served as a soldier
in the Confederate Army, enlisting in

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Hunter's eighth Division of the Missouri State
Guard. While in the Army, he

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perfected his genius as a forger.
Revas became disillusioned with the Confederate Army and

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soon recognized the fact that they were
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the Civil War, he enlisted in
the US Army Regiment. He tried using

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his forgery skills and was caught.
Rivas fled to Brazil in South America in

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late eighteen sixty five. Rivas's mother, Maria, was part Spanish and probably

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taught him the language. It was
his knowledge of Spanish reading and writing which

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allowed him the opportunity to forge Spanish
documents in both Spain and Mexico that would

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later lead to the Bogus parole to
land Grant. Vas arrived in Arizona Territory

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in eighteen eighty, making claims he
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Mexico Territory that included Phoenix, Tucson, and Massilia. He collected rent in

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tribute from railroads, branches, farms, and mines for about eleven years.

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Many of the Arizona pioneers preferred to
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court, and he amassed a fortune
from these rentals. Finally, the United

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States District Court challenged Revas' claims.
The case had been in the dockets since

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February first of eighteen ninety three in
the US Land Claims Court, but still

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had not gone to court even by
February of eighteen ninety five. He had

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collected money from the Southern Pacific for
right Away and from various minds in the

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Arizona Territory. Rivas lost the case
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was soon indicted in a criminal court. His criminal trial began in June of

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eighteen ninety six, and he was
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for trying to defraud the United States
government. He served his time in the

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Santa Fe Penitentiary and was released early
for exemplary conduct in April of eighteen ninety

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eight. Revas died from bronchitis at
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Colorado, in November of nineteen fourteen. James Addison Revas was related to two

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other well known Arizona pioneers. One
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and the other was Elijah Marcus Revs, better known as the Hermit of Superstition

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Mountain. We're actually going to talk
a bit about him next. What we

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call the Superstition Wilderness Area today was
part of the Paralta Land Grant eighteen eighty

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to eighteen eighty five and James Addison
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grant territory, which included the Superstition
Mountain. James Addison Revs for creating stone

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markers to verify his claim on lands
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There are some who believe that the
infamous Paralta stone maps were one of

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Revas' initial set of marker stones that
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The reason behind this belief is that
Revas needed to provide proof that his land

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was surveyed by the Spanish court.
Could the stone maps placed near a black

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point have belonged to Revus, the
infamous Baron of Arizona. If so,

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why didn't Revus use them to prove
the authenticity of his claim. The Paralta

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Stone Maps are the work of a
true artist in stone. The inscriptions are

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clear and crisp. For the most
part, everything about the stone maps points

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to careful planning and preparation. Like
the Baron of Arizona, the Paralta stone

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Maps are another enigma of Arizona.
Pioneer culture. So the Paralta maps,

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if you look them up on Google, there is like five of them.

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I think that somehow go together,
and it is inscribed with the date eighteen

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forty seven. However, these became
lost again. They were found in the

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nineteen forties, kind of just buried
under a very thin kind of layer of

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dust and dirt from the desert.
Really, nobody has any idea where these

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came from, who made them.
They think they point to a treasure,

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they think they point to a mine, or it just could be something that

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the Baron of Arizona created so that
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and it might not have anything to
do with treasure at all. I only

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mentioned that really because a lot of
people think that the Peralta stone maps actually

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lead to the Dutchman's treasure, or
that the Dutchman somehow followed this map or

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something like it to a cash of
gold or an abandoned mine, the barlt

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of mine. Maybe before when we
start on with the Dutchman, we're going

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to talk about that relative of the
Baron of Arizona, and that's the old

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hermit Elijah M. Revs. Now
this is written by the same guy that

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wrote the last one, mister Colinborne. This is from his personal blog,

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I Guess Superstition Mountain Tom Collinborne dot
blogspot dot com, and he does write

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quite well about the Old Hermit.
Elijah M. Rivas. No story about

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the Superstition Mountains would be complete without
a mention of the Old Hermit. Elijah

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Marcus Revas was one of the most
enigmatic individuals to wander the West. Rivas

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was born in Beardstown, Illinois,
in eighteen twenty seven. He taught school

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briefly in Illinois after graduating from an
Illinois teachers college, but soon moved to

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California, where he taught school at
Elmonty. Revas soon lost interest in teaching

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school and then decided to dedicate his
time to the gold fields along the Sam

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Gabriel River. He spent most of
the eighteen fifties prospecting for gold, and

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then Rivas joined a group of adventurers
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Arizona Territory in early eighteen sixty three. He had very little success in Bradshaw

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and returned to California in eighteen sixty
six. Upon returning to California, he

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married mary Y Saxton on December thirtieth
of eighteen sixty seven in sam Gabriel.

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There were two children born into this
marriage. One was a daughter named a

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Louisa Marie who was born in November
of eighteen sixty eight, and there was

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also a son, but he didn't
grow to maturity. Rivas returned to Arizona

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Territory shortly after his daughter's birth.
It was the fall of eighteen sixty nine.

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Elijah's uncle, Isham Rivas had just
been appointed Assistant Chief Justice of the

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Territorial Supreme Court. Rivas traveled to
Lapaz with Esham, but separated from him

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and traveled on to Vulture City near
Wickenburg. He spent enough time in Vulture

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City to appear on the US Census
report for August of eighteen seventy. His

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name then appears in the eighteen seventy
two US Census report in the Fort McDowell

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area. It's believed that he settled
on a horse ranch north of Fort McDowell

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in the Verde River, where he
broke and trained horses. It is believed

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he may have rode with the army
as a civilian packer between eighteen seventy and

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eighteen seventy two. This would explain
how he knew the Superstition Mountain region so

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well and was familiar with the Rivas
Valley. He may have served as a

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temporary Deputy United States Marshal in the
McDowell Precinct, appointed by his uncle.

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Now he does move around a little
bit more. We don't really have to

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get into that too much. But
on one of his visits to Fort McDowell,

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it was said that he was selling
vegetables from his Superstition Mountain home,

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from his little farm he had there. Noah was said that Elijah Rivas was

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a skilled packer and an expert marksman
with a rifle. He carried a Winchester

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eighteen eighty six thirty eight forty repeater. There were many stories about his marksmanship

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and fearless way of life. One
of the best stories told about Rivas was

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the time he defended his abode from
ten fears Apache warriors who were heavily armed.

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Early in the afternoon of May eighth, eighteen seventy eight, warriors tried

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to get Rivas out of his defensive
dugout. Three warriors had lost their lives

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to the deadly accuracy of Rivas's rifle. Finally, they decided to go across

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the creek and camp for the night. Their new plan was to wait until

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Revas ran out of food and water. They weren't in a hurry. Rivas,

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while waiting his fate, recalled an
old story he had heard about the

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Apaches from other men who had survived
similar situations. If he could convince the

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Apache that he was insane or crazy, they might leave him alone. So

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he quickly stripped off all of his
clothing from his body, grabbed two butcher

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knives, and ran across his garden
then the creek, screaming and showing absolutely

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no fear. The Apaches heard then
saw the fire red hair and blue eyes

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of a screeching, quote white devil
racing toward them in the light of their

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campfire. The Apaches were convinced that
he was definitely crazy and no same man

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would run naked, armed with two
knives into the camp of seven heavily armed

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men. The Apaches fled in panic
and never returned to Rivas's mountain sanctuary again.

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The Apaches even raided into the areas
as late as eighteen eighty one,

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but avoided Rivas's valley completely. This
event in the life of Elijah Marcus Revas

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certainly represents the overall cunning, daring, and self reliance needed by him to

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survive these rugged and isolated mountains during
this period. During the latter years of

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his life, he grew vegetables and
sold them around the mining camps that dotted

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the central mountain region of Arizona.
He was a loner, but did enjoy

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having an occasional visitor At his mountain
dugout. He certainly had the first library

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of fine books kept within the boundaries
of a superstition wilderness area. He became

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a legend during his life because of
his personal appearance, his education, his

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self reliance, and his isolated way
of life. He never shaved or took

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a bath. His unkempt appearance undoubtedly
added to his legacy. When Revas arrived

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in various communities in Arizona Territory,
he was always writing his favorite burrow and

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leaving a string of eight to fifteen
burroughs. These small, sure footed animals

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of burden served Revas well. The
old hermit's house created a lot of concern

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among his friends. In the fall
of eighteen ninety five, he was almost

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seventy years old and still making trips
from his mountain home to the small towns

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in central Arizona Territory selling his vegetables. Rivas called Faded and irrigated about fifteen

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acres of land completely by himself.
He had chickens, turkeys, hogs,

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burrows, two horses, and several
dogs that he cared for. His team

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pulled a sheer plow, disc and
leveler, and his friend Dave and his

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friend James Dellenbaugh often checked on Rivas
at his place in the mountains. He

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stopped at the ranch on April ninth
of eighteen ninety six for a visit.

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Rivas was preparing for a trip to
Masa to buy some potatoes. His friend

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James bid him farewell and then checked
on some mining property he had in the

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area and finally ended up at the
jf ranch and found out his old friend

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had not stopped at the ranch.
James backtracked and found the remains of the

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old hermit just off of Rogers Canyon
in what is now known as Grave Canyon

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today. He died alone along the
trail about four miles south of his mountain

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home round April tenth, eighteen ninety
six, a grave was dug and Raves's

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remains were laid to rest on May
seventh, eighteen ninety six. Today the

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grave can be seen in a small
Native American ruin, but a pile of

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stones on it. Back in the
nineties, somebody had put a stone marker

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up there for him, but by
today it's gone. So that was the

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Hermit of those Superstition Mountains. Quite
quite a sight to see if you google

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him. You can just google the
Old Hermit or the Hermit of Superstition Mountain

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and his picture will pop up.
At the black and white photo. He

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looks like a hermit definitely, and
it is said that he was a redhead

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or had auburn hair, so you
can kind of imagine it. And you

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could see from the picture he has
very very light colored eyes too. But

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he's got the long, kind of
scraggly, unkempt beard and hair. His

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hat is a bit torn, and
even the jack of these wearing has a

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little bit of tears in it too. He looks like he would be living

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in mountains. But from what they
see, and not just this article,

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but tons of others that I was
reading about him, he was a very

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intelligent man and he just didn't like
dealing with people. He wanted to be

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away from everything, be self reliant, have his own shit, but interact

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with people here and there when he
wanted to. So I have one more

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story here. This was just kind
of an off story that I stumbled across

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these. I'm trying to go in
an order for timeline. It gets a

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little skewed here and there, and
a lot of these things happen during the

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latter part of the eighteen hundreds,
so I'm sorry if they're a little mishmashed

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just because of the dates. It's
difficult. But this one is known as

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the Lost Soldier's Mine, and I
was able to find a really good breakdown

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of it from Apache Junction and Gold
Canyon News. This is something that is

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still talked about. It's not as
famous as the Lost Dutchman Mine, but

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it is still a story being told, if anything, a cautionary tale.

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The tale of the Soldier's Lost Mine
continues to circulate around campfires and the Superstition

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Wilderness area of central Arizona. The
story is often associated with the Lost Dutchman

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Mine and the Silver King Mine.
Simms Eli mentioned the story in depth in

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his book The Lost Dutchman Mine,
published in nineteen fifty three. Eli's version

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of the story varies from some other
stories Simms. Eli states that others left

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out in important information about the men
involved in the story. His version goes

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something like this. Two young soldiers
were mustered out at Fort McDowell in eighteen

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seventy nine. These young men decided
to hike across the Salt River and through

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the mountains to the south of the
Silver King Mine. This is where they

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planned on seeking employment. Their reason
for hiking across the mountains was to save

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money. Somewhere south of Tall Pointed
Peak, they found an old Mexican mine

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in dump. They believed the mine
to be Mexican in origin because of the

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small horizontal tunnels that were only large
enough for a man to crawl on his

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hands and knees. The young soldiers, fearing apaches in the area, spent

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only enough time to fill their pockets
with what they thought were rich specimens of

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gold ore and hurried on to their
original destination. Arriving in no they began

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to inquire about a job at the
Silver King Mine. It was here that

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they met up with Aaron Mason,
who advised them and they could probably find

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jobs at the Silver King mine eight
miles up the road to the north.

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The young soldiers mentioned they had some
interesting specimens they found between Fort McDowell and

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Pennal in the mountains south of the
Salt River. They showed these specimens to

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him. Mason couldn't believe how rich
the gold specimens were that belonged to the

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young soldiers. He immediately asked the
boys where they had found the specimens.

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The boys said that they had found
an old Mexican mine somewhere between Pinnall and

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the Salt River. The soldiers said
that the mine was located in a deep

404
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:50.840
canyon, but high up on a
ledge, where a pointed peak dominated the

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00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:55.280
area to the south. The soldier
boys, according to Eli, said the

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00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.960
diggings was a mine, not a
cash. Mason convinced the young men to

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return to the mine and recover as
much of the gold ore as they could.

408
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.679
Aaron Mason grubstake the two young soldiers
and sent them on their way.

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00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.719
The soldiers had a pack mule and
enough supplies for a week, but they

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00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.880
were never heard from again again.
According to Simm's, Eli and others,

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00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:30.119
the young soldiers were murdered and never
came back to the mine. Eli believed

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00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.199
Jacob Waltz of Lost Dutchman Mine Fame
found the soldiers working in the mine and

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00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:42.239
killed them. Other sources say apaches
killed the two young soldiers, and another

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00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.239
source claims that the soldiers were killed
for their grubstake, pack mule and their

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00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:52.440
supplies. Simm's Eli's book claims James
E. Bark showed him one of the

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00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:57.480
soldier's graves near two boulders on the
trail between Bark Ranch and Reid's Water.

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00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.880
William T. Bark showed me a
spot on the trail during the winter of

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00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:07.960
nineteen fifty nine and said there was
a man buried there. Since that time,

419
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.519
several individuals have tried to convince me
this was one of the soldier's graves.

420
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.840
Another story about one of the graves
found between the Bark Ranch in Red's

421
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:24.360
Water is that it was excavated several
years ago. The grave yielded the remains

422
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:30.280
of an unknown person. Among the
artifacts, a military type brass button was

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00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:37.719
found. The skeletal remains were definitely
human, However, there was no compelling

424
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.679
evidence that the person buried in the
grave was a soldier. Many people wore

425
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:46.440
shirts with military buttons on them.
During this period of time. Many questions

426
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:52.760
remain unanswered about this story. One
where did the soldiers get their rich,

427
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.719
high grade gold ore. Was the
ore as rich as Aaron Mason thought it

428
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.320
was? Did the ore come from
the Dutchman's mind or an old Mexican mine?

429
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.360
Were the soldiers murdered for the gold
that they were packing back to Silver

430
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:15.360
King? Were they murdered for what
they knew? I am quite convinced we

431
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.639
will never know the answers to these
questions. We can't be positive there was

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00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:25.679
ever a soldier's lost mine in the
Superstition Wilderness area. The story continues to

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00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:31.880
be told around campfires. This story
will forever tantilize the minds of those who

434
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:39.239
search for the lost gold and the
Superstition Mountains. Now, all of these

435
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:45.880
little stories and legends kind of play
into each other, or they at least

436
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:52.920
play into the one main big legend
here, that's the legend of the lost

437
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.519
Dutchman's goal. We will get to
that in just a minute, because I

438
00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:02.159
do want to talk specifically about them
man, that is the Dutchman and the

439
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:07.760
variations of the stories that are told. That is the one that people know

440
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:15.920
most. But before we do that, I want to talk a little bit

441
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:22.119
about this one video that I stumbled
across on YouTube. It was extremely informative

442
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:29.280
and was done by Paranormal Files.
It's an interview with a guide named Corey

443
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:36.360
Daniel. He's a professional guide there
in Phoenix, Arizona. He gives so

444
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:42.639
much information on the background some of
the rumors and legends surrounding the Superstition Mountains.

445
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.480
So I wanted to talk a little
bit about the things he says in

446
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:52.480
this before we dive into this main
big legend. I know we've already been

447
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.480
doing for a bit, but it
is fascinating and if you do want to

448
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.960
look up the video, the way
he tells these stories, you want to

449
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.519
believe everything he's saying. You believe
him to be true because he is that

450
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:16.599
passionate about it. He starts off
by saying that geologists were universally pretty agreeing

451
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:22.639
that the Superstition Mountains have the toughest
terrain in the lower forty eight States.

452
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:31.559
There are deaths every year, missing
person reports, and there's murders dating all

453
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:37.559
the way back to the Jesuits,
possibly even further. Now. I did

454
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.360
notice through my research that a lot
of deaths, which we will go over

455
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.840
some of the deaths here as soon
as we're done talking about this and the

456
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:52.440
Last Touchman and and everything. But
some of these deaths they're ruled accidental when

457
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:58.000
there's very very clear proof that it
was foul play. So that was something

458
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.760
that I found was really good interesting. I don't know the right word for

459
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.440
that, but we'll go over those
in a little while. Now. As

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00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.480
far as these geologists are concerned,
they say that there's no gold in these

461
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:17.760
mountains. There are legends dating back
hundreds of years saying that gold has been

462
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.800
found here, but these geologists say
that there is no significant amount of heavy

463
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:28.199
metals in the earth of the Superstition
Mountains to signify that there would be gold

464
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:36.880
here. I do personally find this
interesting because gold is literally found all around

465
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:42.400
this area. I mean, this
is right in between or right next to

466
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:51.400
a shit ton of gold mines,
gold City, it's right there by it.

467
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.360
It's a fascinating I don't know anything
about gold, I don't know anything

468
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:01.000
about mining, I don't know anything
about minerals. Not knowing anything, you

469
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:08.079
would think that if you find large
amounts of gold all around an area that

470
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:15.480
there will be more in that area, right, That's what my mind tells

471
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:22.440
me. But geologists, the professionals
say nope. But that doesn't stop.

472
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:30.880
That doesn't stop stories and legends from
forming and being told over and over and

473
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:37.239
over. Now, one of the
things that he does touch on is the

474
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:43.559
weather extremes that occur here in the
Superstition Mountains. I guess one of the

475
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:50.239
reasons why it was referred to as
a Mountain of foam or thunder mountain was

476
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.840
because during the rainy season, so
January, February and then July and August,

477
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:01.440
it would flood. There would be
a lot of water coming through there,

478
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.760
and a lot of the areas through
there would flood. And they even

479
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:13.480
flooded Gold City once there was that
much rain and it just poured out of

480
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:19.760
the mountain like that. Now,
this is one place that he says he

481
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.760
will not go alone. And this
is I'm talking about the guide Corey.

482
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:28.079
He's the one talking about all this, and he did such an amazing job.

483
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.960
I did want to go through and
take notes on everything. He was

484
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:40.079
saying. He won't go here alone, even though he's a professional hunter,

485
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:47.440
a botanist, a hiker, a
guide. He says people hike alone in

486
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:54.400
the superstitions for years and then one
day they just end up dead. He

487
00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:00.480
said that is the primary reason.
The terrain, the surprise, yes that

488
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:05.079
occur there, not just with weather, but with other parts of the natural

489
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:12.079
landscape. It's just too dangerous to
do alone. He does talk about the

490
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.800
Peralta family. He says in the
mid eighteen hundreds they supposedly found gold.

491
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:21.880
He says there was about four hundred
men that were massacred by the Apaches here.

492
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.199
Two were kind of left to go
and they ran back to Mexico.

493
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.679
Now, the reason he says that
the Apache attacked the Peraltas was because they

494
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.079
told the Peraltas that they were on
sacred ground and they needed to leave.

495
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.159
The Paraltas, or at least the
leader of the Paraltas, Don Miguel,

496
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.639
told them no. Not only were
they not leaving, but these Apache people

497
00:50:52.679 --> 00:51:00.159
were no longer Apache, they were
now Mexican. Now there's no actual proof

498
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.760
of this, of course, but
in the area that's believed that this massacre

499
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.920
took place, there is a lot
of paranormal experiences, which I think is

500
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:15.880
very interesting. It does give a
little credence to it. Now, I

501
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:17.679
don't know if I mentioned this earlier, because I can't remember. I've been

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00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:22.559
back and forth with all this stuff. But they can't. This is my

503
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.519
research, by the way, this
is not something he said. They can't

504
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:32.280
actually find evidence, any news articles
anything like that detailing anything about the parl

505
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:40.239
To massacre. They can't find anything
on it. They can find news articles

506
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:46.000
of an Apache attack that took place
ten or twenty years before this, before

507
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:53.000
this supposed massacre, but nothing,
no historical documentation that the pearl Toa massacre

508
00:51:53.239 --> 00:52:01.440
actually occurred. I just thought that
was very interesting. But anyway, the

509
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:07.719
two survivors fled back to Mexico,
told stories, tried to get the Mexican

510
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:12.239
government to go back, but the
Mexican American War was going on during this

511
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:20.679
time and then soon after Arizona became
part of the US territories. During this

512
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:25.039
fight, during this attack, now
we'll say fight. We'll say fight because

513
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:29.639
it's not necessarily I mean, you
know what I mean. During this fight

514
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:34.679
with the Apaches, the Peraltas had
somewhere between eighty and a hundred mules,

515
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:40.000
at least that's what the legend says. That wore saddles that were filled with

516
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:45.280
gold. The reason they had the
gold in these saddles was because they were

517
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:49.480
supposed to be taking another trip back
to Mexico to bring that gold back.

518
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:57.719
Now, the story says that these
mules, along with these saddles with gold,

519
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:04.239
also had maps carved on stone pieces
to find their way back to the

520
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:08.199
mines. These would be the peralta
stones. This is just the story that

521
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:13.280
goes along with it. As far
as what they were used for. The

522
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.960
peraltas, we don't actually know if
they're real or not, you know.

523
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:25.559
So when the massacre occurred, these
mules took off. It is said that

524
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:30.840
the apaches found the mules and either
started using them for their own stuff,

525
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:37.480
maybe killed them, maybe sold them. We don't really know, but either

526
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:46.239
way, two bags were actually found
later these are verified to have been found

527
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:54.639
nine or so. Allegedly, this
area became known as Masker Grounds, killing

528
00:53:54.679 --> 00:54:00.840
fields, whatever you want to call
them. Now, he does talk about

529
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:06.559
some theories he has that he makes
a very good point on. Now,

530
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:09.320
this doesn't really have a ton well, I guess in a way it kind

531
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:15.679
of does. It plays into a
lot of the death's disappearances and the Dutchman.

532
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:21.440
He theoriizes a lot about psychopaths.
In the Old West, there was

533
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:29.119
a well known legend that gold existed
in these mountains. There were rumors that

534
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:35.239
there were possibly bags of gold just
stashed all over the place, just waiting

535
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:42.760
to be found. People came out, and there is evidence that some people

536
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:50.199
came out there, not necessarily for
treasure hunting for gold, but would lie

537
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:57.079
in wait and bushwhack people. Over
the past hundred or so years since the

538
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:04.199
Dutchman's death in eighteen ninety one,
there is is a very unexpected, unprecedented

539
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:13.639
large amount of headless head miles away
bodies that have met an obvious foul play.

540
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.239
Now, granted, while I was
looking into a lot of these deaths,

541
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:23.719
finding a head far away from a
body in an environment like this is

542
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:30.639
not that abnormal. It has a
lot to do with the types of animals

543
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:37.719
and predators that are around along with
scavengers. This person could have been subject

544
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:43.679
to the elements, or fell or
had a heart attack, bit by a

545
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.119
snake, stung by a scorpion,
bit by a spider, all these things

546
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:52.280
that could have happened, and they
could have died. It's not necessarily all

547
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:58.480
the time foul play, though quite
often than it was, but it's not

548
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.960
that somebody there's a serial killer lying
in wait here in the mountains decapitating people.

549
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:10.960
It is very likely that the head, specifically after decomposition for a while,

550
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:16.079
the head could have just come off
of the body pretty easy and then

551
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:22.239
been dragged away by scavengers. Some
cases are a little easier to believe that

552
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:27.599
than others. The ones that are
found relatively close, that are just like

553
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.800
a couple hundred feet away, maybe
up to a mile away, can be

554
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:38.000
believable. But when they get to
be ten miles away, or not found

555
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:43.920
for years after or never found,
that's when it starts to get a little

556
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:50.480
bit more difficult. However, that
doesn't automatically mean that this person was met

557
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.960
with foul play, though it is
something to consider because there were a lot

558
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:02.039
of people murdering other people for water
or food, for gold, or just

559
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:08.679
because they were on the mountain.
Knowing this one. Since we are talking

560
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:15.920
about the legend of the Dutchman,
after we talked about this little interview thing,

561
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:20.119
I'll tell you what he says about
the Dutchman, because he's very brief

562
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:24.760
about it. Now. He says, the Dutchman, Jacob Waltz, it's

563
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:30.719
a pretty universally known fact that he
was not actually Dutch. However, this

564
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:36.440
guy Corey Corey Daniel, the guide
here, says that he was Prussian,

565
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:42.320
not Dutch. It's a pretty universal
thing that it said that Jacob Waltz came

566
00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:47.760
from Germany. It's very well documented
now. He says that Jacob Waltz had

567
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:55.719
a girlfriend. This girlfriend was named
Kenty and she was Apache. He says

568
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:01.039
that she showed him where the gold
was. Was it a mine, maybe

569
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:07.119
Jesuit gold bags from the Parolta,
whatever it was. He took this knowledge

570
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:15.400
to his death, but it is
confirmed that he was somehow getting gold out

571
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:25.159
of the mountains. That's not known
where this was. Legend says that it's

572
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:32.320
somewhere where the shadow of Weaver's needle
hits at four pm. People have been

573
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:38.639
out there over the past hundred years
looking at everywhere the shadow touches during every

574
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:44.559
day of the year, and no
one has ever found it. Now,

575
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.280
during the time that Jacob Woltz was
here pulling gold out of the mountains,

576
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:53.079
there were people turning up dead.
Well, we will talk about that just

577
00:58:53.119 --> 00:59:01.000
a little bit later. But after
he died, way way war started showing

578
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:07.400
up dead and without heads. Why
that is we can kind of leave up

579
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:17.360
to speculation. Now, there are
stories of caves holding different kinds of treasures.

580
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.159
There is a story published in the
eighteen hundreds Phoenix Herald about a man

581
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:31.079
that was chasing horses. While doing
this, he found a cave with copper

582
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:39.960
axes and bones of giants. There
were seven skeletons in this cave and they

583
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:49.000
were all somewhere between eight and ten
feet tall. All Native cultures have stories

584
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:55.840
about giants. There are stories of
giants in every culture pretty much. Giants

585
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:04.800
and little people, and stories of
giants, especially in mountain regions and here

586
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:09.239
in the Southwest, are extremely popular. You will actually hear more stories about

587
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:17.159
giants than you will little people here
in the Southwest. Now, there's another

588
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:23.280
story of a man who was hiking
or exploring or something with a friend and

589
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:30.760
he found another cave. There was
a hand carved or hand hewn spiral staircase

590
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:38.960
going down to another chamber. Now
this is interesting because he states that in

591
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:45.719
this cave pretty far back back where
he couldn't really reach, it was kind

592
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.679
of blocked off, or there had
been some kind of cave cave in or

593
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:58.320
something. There was a glass or
crystal skull that they could see, but

594
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.920
they were never able to make it
far enough back into the mind safely to

595
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:09.400
retrieve it. Now, he does
go on to talk about something that I

596
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:15.519
really want to look into more,
but it's not relevant to this. It's

597
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:21.079
just an interesting point he makes,
and it is they're in Arizona. He

598
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:29.679
talks about Mount Graham. It has
the largest observatory in Arizona and it's owned

599
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:35.639
by the Vatican. You all know
by now if you've been listening for a

600
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:43.679
while that I'm super suspicious of the
Vatican always. But it's it's interesting because

601
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:49.000
there's a lens in this observatory.
The acronym for it. I don't know

602
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.199
what the act, what the actual
wording or the title of it is,

603
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:59.719
but the acronym for it is the
Lucifer lens. This is something I want

604
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:06.320
to into in the future sometime because
it is fascinating to me. This land

605
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:13.119
was also considered sacred to the Apaches, but the Vatican fought them for years

606
01:02:13.679 --> 01:02:17.280
so that they would be able to
control this Mountain Graham, and they won't.

607
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.239
I mean, if you're fighting the
Vatican, you're probably gonna lose.

608
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:29.719
But he does say that there are
said to be portals all through the mountains.

609
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:36.880
Natives would interact with their gods,
and gods could pass through to this

610
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:43.400
world through those portals, and that
they were all over the mountain. He

611
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.880
tells some personal stories here too.
He says he met a man who would

612
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.119
prospect in the mountains, go looking
for gold in the mountains. This man

613
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:59.519
told him that he saw a portal
open and would throw rocks into it to

614
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:04.920
see what what happened. At one
point he went back. He was starting

615
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:07.679
to get the courage to where he
was like, all right, I'm gonna

616
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:12.760
put a chicken on a rope in
here. If the chicken comes out fine,

617
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.360
then I'll go in. If it's
all fucked up, I'm not going

618
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:21.559
in there. I'm not really sure
if these are just myths or stories or

619
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:24.320
legends. By the way, I
have no idea, but it's a fun

620
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:30.280
story. We already talked about how
the mountain features in a lot of the

621
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:35.880
creation stories. It does feature a
little bit in the Creation story with the

622
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.599
Apaches as well, but I'm not
familiar with their particular story or if it's

623
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.320
really different than the Pima legend that
we talked about at the beginning now in

624
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:50.679
the eighties. This is another story
he tells. In the eighties there was

625
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:57.199
a woman rockhounding. She went into
a cave and on her way out she

626
01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:05.039
saw a humanoid by eetle reptilian step
into view. She has an abduction story

627
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:10.559
after this. I'm this episode's already
really long, so I'm not going to

628
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:17.280
touch on that. But you can
actually search for alien abduction Superstitition Mountain and

629
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.800
find her story very easily. She's
done a lot of a lot of talks

630
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:27.559
on it. She's very open with
it. Now. They do ask him

631
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:33.719
about why he thinks there's so much
paranormal activity in these kind of mountain ranges

632
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:42.119
and national forests and things like that, and I have to kind of agree,

633
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.079
ish, I don't know enough about
it, obviously, but I like

634
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:51.039
his theory on why these things happen
here more often than anywhere else. He

635
01:04:51.239 --> 01:05:00.599
theories that industrialization has pushed electromagnetic waves
back and in the wilderness or in untouched

636
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:08.760
or restricted areas like national parks,
those things are in their natural state.

637
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:15.800
It allows for paranormal events in a
way that industrialized areas don't. I do

638
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:23.679
have to agree that actually makes sense, whether it does actually push back these

639
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:31.840
electromagnetic waves or not. I don't
know, but it makes sense now.

640
01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:38.360
He does give some personal stories like
things that he experienced here, and they

641
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:45.320
are interesting. So he says,
he's at Borough Creek, it's about two

642
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.519
am. He's with his dog.
It's about a three quarter moon night,

643
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:54.199
just so you know that, it's
not like pitch black. Is a three

644
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:59.760
quarter moon night, almost a full
moon. There's decent visibility, and he's

645
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.960
getting a weird feeling. He says, this feeling escalated very quickly. He

646
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:10.880
just felt a little weird at first. Then it was like hair on the

647
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:15.920
back of his neck was standing up, and then an actual fear that he

648
01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:20.880
was in danger. He tries to
look over find his dog. Dog is

649
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:27.039
hiding under the truck. That in
itself is concerning. When your dog is

650
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:31.760
hiding from something that you can't see, you get worried. He says that

651
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:38.679
he looks behind him to his left, kind of upwards towards the sky,

652
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:46.440
and he sees something coming at him. He freaks out, rolls out of

653
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:53.559
the way. But whatever this thing
was, he said, it was wearing

654
01:06:54.000 --> 01:07:00.119
clothes. It was wearing some type
of cloth. The thing lightly brushed him.

655
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.920
Not lightly. It brushed him because
he just moved out of the way,

656
01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:06.239
but it was wearing some kind of
cloth. He heard it and he

657
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:15.719
felt it. Whatever it was,
he looked up and he could see it.

658
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.719
It flew out away from him about
thirty or forty yards and hovered.

659
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:27.320
Didn't flap its wings like a bird. It just hovered. He compared what

660
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:32.280
it looked like to the Ring race
from Lord of the Rings, the black

661
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:40.760
things that were riding on the dragons. He said that it definitely, absolutely

662
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.880
was not a bird. There is
no way this was a bird. He

663
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:48.960
could see it very very clearly,
and he washed it after it stared at

664
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:58.960
him for a minute, just hovering
there fly off. Interesting possibly cryptid story.

665
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.480
He has another one that's a little
interesting too. He said he was

666
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.719
in a canyon and he was taking
a little bit of a break from a

667
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:15.279
hike. He found a pile of
reddish colored dirt. It was just like

668
01:08:15.279 --> 01:08:19.359
a little mound, nothing, you
know, no a big deal. He

669
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:25.399
laid against it to just kind of
rest for a minute. As he's laying

670
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:29.920
there, he feels like his energy
was being just sucked out of him,

671
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:35.359
just completely draining him. The dog
stayed away, the dog would not go

672
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:42.239
on to this mound or near it. He says that he had this feeling

673
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:45.479
that if he didn't move, he
was never going to get up again.

674
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:51.359
So he rolled off of it because
he couldn't get the energy to just sit

675
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:56.359
up and stand. He had to
just kind of flop and roll. But

676
01:08:56.479 --> 01:09:01.479
after he felt fine, he didn't
even feel tired. I thought that was

677
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:08.279
a really interesting kind of story.
Not to end this, he does talk

678
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:15.439
about a lot more throughout this throughout
this little interview, but I really liked

679
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:21.760
this kind of closing statement. They
asked him if he thought bodies of people

680
01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:29.600
that had died there and never been
found were still just there. His reply

681
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:34.560
was, quote, I think if
all the bodies that are buried out here

682
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:42.439
stood up at one time, it
would look like downtown Manhattan. And that's

683
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:46.920
the end of lect. That to
me was fascinating. I mean, he

684
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:54.520
told the stories very very well.
He didn't focus completely on the Dutchman's Gold

685
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:58.199
or the peraltas or you know,
the most famous kind of stories from this

686
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:03.680
area. He went in to detail
with more of the paranormal parts of it,

687
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:10.520
which I absolutely love. I mean, shit, this story that we're

688
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:16.079
talking about these mountains have paranormal buried
treasure murder. I mean, this is

689
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.159
like a dream come true. All
this story is covering this story. I

690
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:24.399
do not want to actually go here. I can't deal with heatwell. But

691
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:31.680
anyway, now we're going to talk
finally about the lost Dutchman Jacob Waltz.

692
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:41.359
This is a very well known story
here. So we've been mentioning this whole

693
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:50.319
time that there is this famous legend
of the Lost Dutchman's Gold. This the

694
01:10:50.520 --> 01:11:00.279
stories about this very incredibly. Basically, the name of this came from an

695
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:06.279
immigrant, Jacob Waltz, who purportedly
discovered it in the nineteenth century and then

696
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:13.119
kept its location a secret. We
know that he found gold there, but

697
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.000
where it came from, if it
was a cash of gold that was stored

698
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:20.960
somewhere, if it was from an
actual mine, nobody has any clue.

699
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:31.279
People have been looking for this mine
since at least eighteen ninety two. According

700
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:40.560
to one estimate, more than nine
thousand people annually made some effort to locate

701
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:47.800
the Dutchman's mind. So, this
Dutchman, Jacob Waltz, was a German

702
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:55.000
immigrant. We know that because we
have the documentation that states. He was

703
01:11:55.079 --> 01:12:00.000
in Germany for quite a while.
In one of the documentaries I was watched,

704
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:06.720
it was said that he came from
a decently well off family and that

705
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:12.840
his father gave him I think it
was like two hundred and fifty dollars to

706
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:17.520
move to emigrate from Germany to the
United States. He did take a different

707
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:24.479
way of travel than most people did
during that time when he arrived in the

708
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:30.000
US. The earliest documentation we have
of him here in the United States is

709
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:36.119
in eighteen forty eight affidavit which says
that Waltz declared himself to be about thirty

710
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:44.119
eight years old. A man named
Jacob Walls, not Waltz, was born

711
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:50.399
in September eighteen ten in Wurtenburg.
It's generally thought that this is the same

712
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:56.479
person. It is hard to line
the two up, just because they are

713
01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:01.399
from different countries and in such an
early time, records weren't dependable. I

714
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:11.520
guess you could say Waltz wa Ltz
was definitely the more Americanized kind of version

715
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:17.359
of the last named Walls. There
is a tombstone set up for Jacob Waltz

716
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:23.720
that actually shows him as being born
in eighteen oh eight. Both are fairly

717
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:30.199
close, but either way. He
relocated to Arizona in eighteen sixties and stayed

718
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.640
in the territory for most of the
rest of his life. He pursued mining

719
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:41.479
and prospecting, but it's hard to
verify what he did and didn't find.

720
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:48.439
A big part of the issue is
that this lost Dutchman's mind. The gold

721
01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:55.880
here is said to be worth anywhere
between two and two hundred million dollars.

722
01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:01.520
There's no exact amount that any he
has been able to come up with.

723
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:12.920
However, it is reported that Jacob
Walzer sold two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

724
01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:18.319
in gold to the US Mint during
the eighteen eighties and had fifteen hundred dollars

725
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:25.600
when he died in eighteen eighty one. Now it is believed that he actually

726
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:31.920
did go by Jacob Walzer when doing
official kind of documents to kind of okay,

727
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.920
official documents isn't the right thing.
When he was treading in this gold

728
01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:41.760
for cash, he would use the
name Jacob Walzer so that he could kind

729
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:46.239
of protect himself, if that makes
sense, because he didn't want other people

730
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:53.079
finding out that he was going to
this area finding this gold. Because people

731
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:59.159
wanted it for themselves too. Now, he did have one hundred and sixty

732
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.840
acres as a homestead near Phoenix,
and this is where he operated his own

733
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:06.840
little farm. Now, this is
what eventually led to his death. He

734
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:13.840
was not attacked or harmed for his
gold. There was a really bad flood

735
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:18.640
in Phoenix in eighteen ninety one.
The farm that he had, a Waltz

736
01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:27.199
farm, was one of many that
was completely devastated. Afterwards, he became

737
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:31.720
ill. That said that he contracted
pneumonia during the flooding. He ended up

738
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:38.199
dying October twenty fifth of eighteen ninety
one. He was taken care of by

739
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:45.239
an acquaintance or a neighbor, or
it's somebody he knew named Julia Thomas.

740
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:53.119
She was usually described as being primarily
white, but was either a quarter Native

741
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:59.720
American or a quarter African American,
whatever that is. It's not even completely

742
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.359
corroborated that that was even the case, but that is noted in quite a

743
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:09.319
few sources. But it was believed
that he gave her a bunch of clues

744
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:14.920
while on his deathbed as to where
the location of his mind was. The

745
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:19.640
issue is all of these clues just
seemed to be like you could find the

746
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:29.159
same things all over. They're not
descriptive enough and they're not particular enough to

747
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:36.520
really narrow down anywhere. But we
do know that he got gold out of

748
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:43.640
there somehow, and it said that
he did have gold under his bed when

749
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:48.439
he died. And later on,
this woman, Julia Thomas, she actually

750
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:54.880
had a matchbox made from some of
the gold. It said to be about

751
01:16:54.920 --> 01:17:00.880
thirty percent gold. And the gold
that this is made from has been tested

752
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:03.600
at least, this is what I'm
understanding. This is not something I'm a

753
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:10.399
one hundred percent sure is one fact, but this is something that I did

754
01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:14.960
hear in a documentary that was being
done on the Lost Options Gold and on

755
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.479
the Superstition Mountains. But it said
that this gold, when it's tested,

756
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:26.439
gold has like a fingerprint. You
can tell by the mineralization what compounds make

757
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:34.760
up the gold where it's from.
This one was then identified. So sorry

758
01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:39.199
about that. Nope, I'm actually
not going to go back and edit that

759
01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:44.960
out. If you are in the
Facebook group, you probably saw me post

760
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:48.920
the video talking about the really bad
thunderstorms in the twenty warning that just came

761
01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:55.319
through. But like I said in
that video, I'm so sorry if you

762
01:17:55.439 --> 01:18:00.720
hear like some pretty bad thunder,
maybe some banging and rattling. I'm going

763
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:04.760
to try to keep it to a
minimum, but I need to finish talking

764
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:10.680
about this or it's never going to
get out. So we just talked about

765
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:15.800
the gold and how gold has like
a fingerprint with mineralization. This one was

766
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:24.560
unidentified, so they know it came
from somewhere obviously, But wherever Jacob Waltz

767
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:30.680
got this gold, there's nothing else
like it. There is a little tidbit

768
01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:38.479
of information that I stumbled across here
and there, but it's it's something that

769
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:42.520
not a lot of people agree on, and that's the fact that Jacob Waltz

770
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:46.239
worked with somebody else. He had
a partner, Jacob Wiser. There's a

771
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:54.720
very strong likelihood that Jacob Wiser never
existed and that Jacob Waltz maybe used that

772
01:18:54.960 --> 01:19:00.439
name here and there. And then
there's also the rumors that Jacob Woltz had

773
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:05.600
this partner, Jacob Weiser, and
ended up killing him when they found the

774
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:14.439
gold. There are, of course
rumors that say Jacob Waltz killed multiple people

775
01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:18.680
in his search for the gold,
but then also killed quite a few others

776
01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:24.600
to keep that gold a secret.
None of that, of course, is

777
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:30.960
verified. We have no idea.
But it's interesting how these little stories kind

778
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:38.000
of mashed together to where maybe Jacob
Woltz and Jacob Weiser were the same person,

779
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:41.960
but because he used this other name, now there's this bighole thing where,

780
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:46.520
well where did this person go?
Most likely, in my opinion and

781
01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:51.399
in many other people's opinions, this
was the same person, just using a

782
01:19:51.439 --> 01:20:00.880
different name. And I know that
was pretty brief, but it's definitely a

783
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:06.119
shorter story. But there's so many
different versions. We'd be sitting here all

784
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:12.600
day going over all these different versions, all the people that have gone in

785
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:18.720
search for the gold. There were
some people that have claimed to have found

786
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:21.840
the gold. We'll talk about that
a little bit later. I'll address some

787
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:27.239
of it, but just know that
nothing has been verified as being from the

788
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.359
Dutchman's Gold. I think now is
a very good time to go into some

789
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:40.920
of these deaths that occurred that might
be a little suspicious. Now, this

790
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:45.520
is a very short list. This
is some of the better known ones that

791
01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:49.840
have gone looking for the Dutchman's treasure
and then ended up dead. There have

792
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:58.560
been hundreds, possibly even thousands,
over the past century of people looking for

793
01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:04.800
this gold. It's been a hundred
and thirty years since Jacob Waltz died.

794
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:11.880
Since he died, people have been
looking for it. People have been willing

795
01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:18.279
to kill for it. I got
this kind of synopsis of some of the

796
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:28.239
people that have died or had a
series of misfortunes while looking for this gold.

797
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:35.560
There was Jesse Cappin. This was
a very recent one, well,

798
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:41.520
at least in comparison, it was
very recent. Jesse Cappin was obsessed with

799
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:46.760
the Dutchman gold mine. He was
pretty positive that he could actually locate where

800
01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:54.000
it was in the Superstitition Mountains.
He was thirty five years old, and

801
01:21:54.199 --> 01:22:00.840
unfortunately he disappeared in two thousand and
nine. Punds of books and maps were

802
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:08.880
found in his apartment after his disappearance, showing how much he had researched the

803
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:14.399
Dutchman's gold and where it could have
been. According to all the stuff found

804
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:18.760
on his computer, he'd already attempted
to locate the treasure at least twice,

805
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:28.199
and he didn't tell anybody about it. This third trip was, unfortunately his

806
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:34.079
unlucky one. It would be close
to three years before his remains were finally

807
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:42.920
found volunteers with the Superstition Search and
Rescue Organization found his remains wedged in an

808
01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:48.279
impossibly tight crevice about thirty feet off
of the ground. He might have fallen

809
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:53.119
from a ledge above the crevice,
maybe somehow got stuck or wedged in,

810
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:59.199
but his official cause of death remains
unknown or at least unreported. There was

811
01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:03.399
no trauma to a skull, and
his bones were wedged in such an inaccessible

812
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:12.600
spot that flooding and animals couldn't get
to him. Then there's the slaying of

813
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:18.159
doctor Adolph Roof. This was back
in nineteen thirty one. He set out

814
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:23.800
for two weeks. He was going
to go into the Superstition Mountains in search

815
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:30.760
of the lost treasure. He never
came home. The initial search party found

816
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:36.880
absolutely no trace of him, but
then six months later, in December of

817
01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:42.239
nineteen thirty one, they found a
human skull with two holes from a forty

818
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:48.039
four caliber. They determined it was
him, doctor Adolph Ruth, and that

819
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:53.800
he'd been hit at almost point blank
range and somehow his head detached from his

820
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:59.479
body. The rest of his remains, some personal items, and a fully

821
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:04.239
loaded peace were discovered in January of
nineteen thirty two, and this was about

822
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:11.119
three quarters of a mile away from
where his skull was discovered. Investigators at

823
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:16.079
the time figured that he had taken
his own life, but many people believed

824
01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:23.279
that he was murdered. One authority
made a really good point, how was

825
01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:30.359
the gun that was reportedly used to
shoot him missing no bullets? When they

826
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:35.119
looked in his check book, there
was a handwritten note claiming that he discovered

827
01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:45.039
the mine, and then it ended
with the phrase venni vd VGI. Then

828
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.800
there's the case of James A.
Cravy. This is another one where the

829
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:55.640
head is not found with the body. In the nineteen forties, sixty two

830
01:24:55.720 --> 01:25:00.000
year old treasure hunter James A.
Cravy made an attempt to locate the gold

831
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.720
mine, but was later found dead
in the wilderness of the Superstition Mountains.

832
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:10.560
His body was discovered first, and
it wasn't until six months later that his

833
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:15.520
skull was found. His journey to
find the mine was a huge spectacle at

834
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:20.359
the time. He traveled to the
mountain in a helicopter. Before leaving,

835
01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:26.720
he purportedly told his friends he knew
exactly where the gold was hiding. He

836
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.960
was supposed to be there for ten
days, that he figured would give him

837
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:34.159
enough time to find the treasure,
and then he asked the pilot to come

838
01:25:34.159 --> 01:25:39.439
back to that spot and pick him
up. But when the pilot arrived,

839
01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:45.039
Cravy was nowhere to be seen.
His camp was intact, and only two

840
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:49.640
days worth of food had been eaten. No one knows why Cravy had his

841
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:56.840
head removed or who killed him.
And I said in the beginning of the

842
01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:59.880
episode, these people that are found
without heads or their heads are far from

843
01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:05.079
the bodies. That's kind of iffy
for me because it can be carried off

844
01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:11.159
by scavengers. I don't know if
I can say everyone without a head is

845
01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:15.880
victim to it being forcibly removed.
You know, that's a hard one for

846
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:26.199
me. Now. In nineteen fifty
three, three people went missing, the

847
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:30.600
first of which was in early nineteen
fifty two. This was Joseph Kelly.

848
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:34.840
He was from Dayton, Ohio.
He decided to go look for this lost

849
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:42.840
treasure. He was never seen alive
again. He was eventually found near Weaver's

850
01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:48.399
Needle two years after he disappeared.
He was shot in the head and there

851
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:55.760
were no leads on the identity of
the shooter. That same year, two

852
01:26:55.800 --> 01:27:00.840
California boys named Ross Blair and Charles
H. Barker. I think that's how

853
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:06.279
you say it. Sorry. Both
of them vanished out in the Superstition Mountains,

854
01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:12.880
and their bodies still to this day
I've never been found. And this

855
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:17.279
next one is James Kidd, and
this starts off in a great way because

856
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:21.720
this says that the only thing shrouded
in more mystery than his death was his

857
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:27.760
life. He didn't have any family, but he had quite a lot of

858
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:31.760
money. Most of it was from
investments, but where he got the cash

859
01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:39.039
to invest in the first place is
unknown. He spent a considerable amount of

860
01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:45.000
time kind of just poking through the
east edges of the Superstitions. It's possible

861
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:47.960
he found a lost treasure and was
making pickups from his stash as needed.

862
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:56.720
He was secretive in standoffish, which
is why no one knows much about him.

863
01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:01.039
His disappearance was reported December twenty ninth
of nineteen forty nine, but probably

864
01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:08.760
would have been reported sooner had someone
been close to him. Several years after

865
01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:15.000
his disappearance, it was discovered that
he left half a million dollar fortune behind.

866
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:23.119
He was a big, big believer
in ghosts, so he specified in

867
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:29.279
his will that his entire estate was
to be awarded to anyone who could prove

868
01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:35.600
that ghosts existed. Some believe that
he was killed for his gold. Another

869
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:40.840
story tells of a man who dropped
him off in a Superstitions and continued to

870
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:46.600
check on him each month until he
just didn't show up. His body has

871
01:28:46.640 --> 01:28:57.680
also never been found, so in
the Superstitions, it's apparently a normal occurrence

872
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:05.279
to stumble across human skulls or human
remains. From nineteen fifty five to nineteen

873
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:12.039
seventy eight, multiple remains were reportedly
found, a lot of them with holes

874
01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:18.319
in their heads. Two more sets
of remains were found without heads, and

875
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:26.439
investigators were never able to find their
skulls. Many people believed that the slayings

876
01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:31.680
could be connected to a curse,
while others hypothesize it could be bandits taking

877
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:40.760
advantage of gold bearing explorers. Another
interesting person we have here is J.

878
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:45.479
Clap. In the fall of nineteen
sixty one, this marked the beginning of

879
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:50.840
the search for prospector J. Clapp. He'd spent over a decade and a

880
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:57.560
half working through the Superstition Mountains before
simply vanishing in July of nineteen sixty one.

881
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:03.000
The police search that fall was thorough, but there was no trace of

882
01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:06.520
him that could be found, so
they ended up calling off the hunt.

883
01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:15.880
Three years later they found his headless
skeleton. His skull still hasn't turned up.

884
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:24.399
Now, this one, this is
an interesting tape because this is I've

885
01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:29.840
seen this in some sources, but
it's contested quite a bit. And that's

886
01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:34.279
the death of Elijah. Rivas says. He was quite the character. Like

887
01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:39.520
we talked about. He convinced the
local and Native American tribe that he was

888
01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:44.359
off his rocker by running around without
clothes throughout the canyons with knives. True,

889
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:48.800
they decided to steer clear of him, and so did just about everybody

890
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:55.079
else. He settled in the wilderness
of the Superstition Mountains back in eighteen seventy

891
01:30:55.079 --> 01:31:00.319
two and became known as the Madman
of the Superstitions. In eighteen nineties six,

892
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:06.479
his decomposed remains were found. Allegedly
two Easterners were out looking for the

893
01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:12.039
lost mind the same year Revas's cadaver
was found, and they were never seen

894
01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:16.319
again. So who knows. Maybe
he was met with foul play, maybe

895
01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:25.920
they were met with foul play.
I have no idea now there's this one

896
01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:30.319
that I found very interesting, but
there's not a lot of information on it

897
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:34.439
at all. I tried doing like
little side research. When I talk about

898
01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:39.319
rabbit holes, this is what I
mean. Little cases like this will grab

899
01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:44.439
my attention and I want to know
more or little things that pop up with

900
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:50.880
us. So someone went missing in
nineteen fifty eight, but we don't know

901
01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:59.720
who it is. The identity of
the person or multiple people that disappeared an

902
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:04.439
eight role in nineteen fifty eight remains
a mystery. That year, a deserted

903
01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:11.000
campsite was discovered. It was over
the northern outskirts of the mountain and the

904
01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:16.199
scene was pretty grim. Things like
cooking tools, cleaning supplies, a Geiger

905
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:24.239
counter, personal letters. They were
all left behind. The personal letters,

906
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:29.479
the addresses in the names were torn
off so that you couldn't tell who they

907
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:33.520
were too, or who they were
from. The most disturbing thing that was

908
01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:41.880
found here were blood soaked blankets.
They were inside the tent and there was

909
01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:48.479
a pretty substantial amount of blood.
There's never been any clue as to who

910
01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:55.439
this was or who these were,
who these people were, why they disappeared,

911
01:32:55.720 --> 01:33:00.800
what happened. It's one of those
mysteries. And here, if it

912
01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:09.399
wasn't bad enough thinking that maybe somebody
is going to attack you and kill you

913
01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:16.680
for possibly having gold, the rocks
also try to kill you. In the

914
01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:21.319
years nineteen twenty seven and twenty eight, people had reportedly been hiking up to

915
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:29.239
the trails when suddenly large boulders rolled
down on them from above. In nineteen

916
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:35.399
seventy, a long term prospector named
al Morrow suffered the same fate. A

917
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:43.760
boulder fell while he was excavating a
tunnel and killed him. In nineteen sixty

918
01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:47.680
four, the remains of Robert and
Richard Kremis were discovered at the bottom of

919
01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:54.520
a high cliff. Whether the ground
had just crumbled beneath their feet or a

920
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:59.319
boulder knocked them off is uncertain.
The integrity of the ground where they were

921
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:03.319
standing on that they were standing on
was most likely the cause, or maybe

922
01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:08.079
they were pushed, But it does
seem a bit far fetched that both men

923
01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:14.920
just happened to accidentally fall off of
a cliff. Now, this last little

924
01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:23.840
mystery, again I couldn't find much
information on. In nineteen ten, the

925
01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:28.960
skeletal remains of a woman were found
in a cave high up on the Superstition

926
01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:33.880
Mountain. Allegedly, she had a
small sack of gold nuggets with her,

927
01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:41.600
but there were no signs of what
possibly could have ended her life, and

928
01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:45.159
there were no remnants of any type
of clothing. It appears as if the

929
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:49.399
woman found some gold, took her
clothes off, went into a cave,

930
01:34:49.439 --> 01:35:00.960
and just died. There are so
many stories like this. People mysteriously disappear,

931
01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:05.039
or they've been doing this for decades
and then just one day never come

932
01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:09.399
back, or they're found without their
heads, or they're found with holes in

933
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:15.640
their heads. It's fascinating, but
it does not make me want to go

934
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:19.439
here anymore. Not that I want
to do initially anyway, but you know

935
01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:29.039
what I mean. There is one
more crime that I stumbled across. Well,

936
01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:33.560
there's a couple more crimes, but
this one was enough to get my

937
01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:42.359
attention, mostly because of the picture. This dude. These well two dudes.

938
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:49.399
They the one looks like a normal, everyday average Joe. The other

939
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:54.039
one almost looks like he's dead.
I don't know how to describe it,

940
01:35:54.960 --> 01:36:01.079
but this happened back I think in
the eighties, yes, early eighties,

941
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:08.399
so it was January twenty eighth,
nineteen eighty one, Suzanne Rosetti went to

942
01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:12.720
a convenience store in Phoenix near fifty
second in Van Buren Streets. She went

943
01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:15.159
to go back out to her car
and realized that she locked herself out.

944
01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:21.439
She turned and saw two young guys
Jesse James Giles, Jillies something like that,

945
01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:27.079
and Michael Logan and asked them to
help her get her door open.

946
01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:32.199
They did. They got the car
door open, and she wanted to show

947
01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:35.640
them that she was so thankful that
they were able to do that, so

948
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:40.560
she bought them a six pack of
beer and offered to drive them to Weldon's

949
01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:45.920
riding stables. This is where they
said they worked these You'd like to think

950
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:48.039
this is the start of a good
story, like she just takes them,

951
01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:50.640
drops them off, they become good
friends, you know, see each other

952
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:55.479
at the store, YadA, YadA
whatever. That is not how this went

953
01:36:56.399 --> 01:37:00.479
along the way. The men sexually
assaulted her. They did this at Papago

954
01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:05.640
Park and then again at her apartment. While they were at her house,

955
01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:10.199
they stole a bunch of shit from
her apartment, including her credit cards.

956
01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:14.640
Another one, dude, I don't
know if it's Jillies or Giles. We're

957
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:18.920
here gonna call him Gillies because that's
funny and he's a fuckhead. So Gillies

958
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:25.520
and Logan drove her to fish Creek
Hill in the Superstition Mountains. Then they

959
01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:30.039
threw her off a forty foot cliff. They went down the cliff and found

960
01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:36.600
her still alive and begging to just
be left to die in peace. Instead,

961
01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:42.880
they hid her in the head with
rocks until she was unconscious, and

962
01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:48.840
then buried her. The medical examiner
would later say that she was alive for

963
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:56.760
at least fifteen minutes while buried.
Police reported that when they found her body,

964
01:37:57.119 --> 01:37:59.920
one of the rocks that was on
top of her was so heavy that

965
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:03.920
it took two men to move it. Now, the next day, she

966
01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:09.560
was reported missing by her parents.
They expected her to pick them up and

967
01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:13.720
drive them to the airport. She
was a reliable girl. This was not

968
01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:17.560
like her to just ditch them.
Now. Over the next few days,

969
01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:26.439
Gilly's here in Logan used her ATM
card twenty eight times because the bank limited

970
01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:30.439
the withdrawals to only two hundred and
fifty dollars a day. Jilli's here spoke

971
01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:34.760
about the murderer to several of his
friends, which led to his and Michael

972
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:41.720
Logan's arrests. Logan cooperated with authorities, showing them where the body was buried,

973
01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:47.600
and testified against Jillies in exchange for
a life sentence. He remains in

974
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:53.960
prison today. Jillies was convicted on
August twenty seventh of nineteen eighty one and

975
01:38:54.119 --> 01:39:00.560
sentenced to death one month later.
Jess James Gillies was execute it on January

976
01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:05.880
thirteenth, nineteen ninety nine. His
last meal, I love it when they

977
01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:13.119
had these. His last meal consisted
of New York steak rare, sliced mushrooms,

978
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:18.560
two eggs, ten strips of bacon, toast with butter and strawberry preserves,

979
01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:25.000
milk, apple juice, and a
thirty two ounce chocolate milkshake. Not

980
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:30.760
his last words. This is the
biggest dick move. He offered no last

981
01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:34.520
words. He just motioned with his
hand as the death warrant was read,

982
01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:38.920
as if to say, let's just
get on with it. Well, fuck

983
01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:44.439
that guy. But that was a
true crime story that kind of caught my

984
01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:53.720
attention. But we have another one. This one isn't a very interesting story.

985
01:39:54.439 --> 01:40:01.039
This is all about gold jealousy.
Just an amazing story. This is

986
01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:09.159
from Arizona Capital Times Celeste Marie Jones. She arrived in the Superstitions in the

987
01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:14.640
nineteen fifties to search for gold.
She had some financing, some say from

988
01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.279
a church in Los Angeles, and
she got more financing in the form of

989
01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:25.039
food and supplies from Bob Corbin and
his partner Joe Roebels. They themselves had

990
01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:30.800
prospected for gold and the Superstitions.
The two men packed in food every Friday

991
01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:34.239
night one whole winter, in exchange
for a ten percent share of anything Jones

992
01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:41.439
found. Her background is a little
obscure. She was supposed to have been

993
01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:45.000
an opera singer from Los Angeles,
a nightclub singer, and a church choir

994
01:40:45.079 --> 01:40:50.359
singer, but none of that has
ever been verified. She was obsessed with

995
01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:55.760
finding what she believed was the gold
of the Jesuits, gold that was said

996
01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:59.880
to have been hidden by the Jesuits
when they were expelled from New Spain.

997
01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:05.840
About the time Jones set up camp, another treasure seeker, a man named

998
01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:12.880
Ed Piper, arrived in the area
and began prospecting. Before long, a

999
01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:17.760
dispute broke out over claim boundaries and
water rights. The Jones and Piper groups

1000
01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:26.199
began sniping at each other in a
serious few developed. According to Corbyn,

1001
01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:32.279
Jones began talking about wanting Piper killed, so he ended his support and quit

1002
01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:39.640
grubstaking her. Justice of the Peace
Norman L. Teason ordered both sides to

1003
01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:45.720
stop fighting and had all long range
arms confiscated so that they couldn't act as

1004
01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:49.560
snipers and kill each other, but
he did let them keep their side arms.

1005
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:57.560
Jones she usually carried a sawt off
point thirty zero six rifle and a

1006
01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:02.840
revolver. The feuding reached a climax
on November eleventh of nineteen fifty nine.

1007
01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:10.319
On that day, Piper shot and
killed Robert Saint Marie, one of Jones's

1008
01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:16.119
men. Piper claimed self defense and
since there were no witnesses, he got

1009
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:23.319
off. Two weeks later, Laverne
Rolie was shot by Ralph Thomas and died

1010
01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:28.279
of his wounds. Both men were
sympathetic to Piper's cause, although not actual

1011
01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:34.960
members. The feuding continued from nineteen
fifty nine to nineteen sixty two. Former

1012
01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:41.720
Penal County Sheriff Coy Day Arman remembered
being called by Jones, who said there

1013
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:45.880
was going to be a fight in
the Sheriff Shakipas deputies out or they might

1014
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:50.000
get hurt. He responded that if
one of his deputies was hurt, he

1015
01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:56.760
would send in fifty more after her. Later, she tried to hire him

1016
01:42:56.800 --> 01:43:01.039
to guard her camp. On March
twenty nine, nineteen sixty one, the

1017
01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:06.640
body of Prospector Walter Maori was found. His death was ruled a suicide,

1018
01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:10.920
but many claimed he'd died at the
hands of one of the feuding gangs.

1019
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:16.000
The feuding finally ended when Ed Piper
died on July twenty fourth, nineteen sixty

1020
01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:24.800
two. Exploratory surgery had revealed he
had advanced cancer. Celeste Murray Jones continued

1021
01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:30.319
her search for about another year,
but finally quit. She was actually in

1022
01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:35.479
poor health too. What happened after
she left the superstitions isn't really known for

1023
01:43:35.600 --> 01:43:44.079
certain. Bob Corbyn was elected Maricopa
County Attorney and served from nineteen sixty five

1024
01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:48.199
to sixty nine. He was Arizona
Attorney General from seventy nine to ninety one.

1025
01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:56.359
So these two the story of their
feuding, like there are books written

1026
01:43:56.399 --> 01:44:01.000
on their little feud, and this
is the Piper Jones feud. It is

1027
01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:05.920
fascinating. Like she was, she
was a little badass for her day,

1028
01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:12.720
a woman in the fifties, and
I believe she was also mixed. I'm

1029
01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:18.680
not one hundred percent, but I'm
almost positive she was either African American mix

1030
01:44:18.720 --> 01:44:23.720
of that and native or mix of
that in white. I'm not really sure,

1031
01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:29.000
but that doesn't really matter. Just
for a woman of color of any

1032
01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:34.640
kind to be out there and be
like boss bitch, that's amazing. I

1033
01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:39.960
don't know if she was in the
right here, but most likely, given

1034
01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:45.039
the time the fifties, especially if
she was a woman of color, dude

1035
01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:49.239
moving in wouldn't have thought twice about
taking her shit over. She's a woman,

1036
01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:54.760
what's she gonna do with it?
Right, Most of the time women

1037
01:44:54.840 --> 01:45:00.319
weren't taken seriously then, let alone
women of color. It has gotten much

1038
01:45:00.319 --> 01:45:05.960
better, but we still have a
long way to go. Now, has

1039
01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:14.600
the gold been found? That is
a very good question. Now, if

1040
01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:18.560
you google Lost Dutchman's gold Found,
there's gonna be a shit ton of results.

1041
01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:25.199
Tons of people have said that they
found the gold. Just on YouTube

1042
01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:30.199
aloone. When I even just searched
Lost Dutchman's gold Mine, there were probably

1043
01:45:30.439 --> 01:45:34.920
eight videos that popped up saying it
was found. But it was rough training

1044
01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:39.680
to watch most of the videos.
As far as I can tell, none

1045
01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:45.920
of this gold has been verified as
being the Lost Dutchman's gold. This is

1046
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:53.479
based on an analysis comparing it to
the gold matchbox that was made from the

1047
01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:57.560
gold that was found under the Dutchman's
bed when he died. Either these claims

1048
01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:01.960
were not compared to that sample,
or they didn't match. To be quite

1049
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:09.600
honest, I don't know if the
Dutchman's gold is still up there. I

1050
01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:14.159
don't know if it's been found.
Shit, I'm not even one hundred percent

1051
01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:21.479
sure that it even existed. We
know that people have gone into those mountains

1052
01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:28.279
and then had gold. Whether it
came from inside those mountains or was stashed

1053
01:46:28.439 --> 01:46:35.840
somewhere, I don't know. Now
there was in nineteen twelve, we know

1054
01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:45.000
eighteen thousand dollars worth of gold or
was discovered near massacre grounds. I don't

1055
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:48.279
know who found it, but it
has been documented as being found in that

1056
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:53.399
area by somebody. The legend of
the Lost Dutchman's Gold is said to be

1057
01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:59.359
worth much more than eighteen thousand,
Like I said earlier, anywhere from two

1058
01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:06.760
to two hundred million dollars in gold. The last thing I wanted to touch

1059
01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:12.399
on as another legend in this area. This is something that took me down

1060
01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:17.760
a rabbit hole, and I really
couldn't find anything proving or disproving this.

1061
01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:27.760
Basically, there is said to be
a rogue group of Apache and possibly Pima

1062
01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:32.920
Native Americans known as the Black Legion. If you watch the History Channel documentary

1063
01:47:32.920 --> 01:47:38.520
on this, they do talk about
this legend a little bit, and that

1064
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:43.119
these natives are protecting the treasure and
when you're getting too close, they'll let

1065
01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:48.000
you know by leaving behind a black
handprint. If this warning is ignored,

1066
01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:58.600
you should be prepared to probably meet
your end. Trying to find stories or

1067
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:04.880
any documented case or any real information
on the Black Legion was extremely difficult.

1068
01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:12.960
I couldn't find any information from reputable
sources, none. But I did find

1069
01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:16.960
quite a few places where there's just
like a forum where anybody can talk about

1070
01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:23.840
these things, and some make some
pretty freaking bold claims, but they're still

1071
01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:29.039
not giving stories. They're saying they
exist, and they're hidden in these little

1072
01:48:29.359 --> 01:48:34.479
innuendos and like talking in circles but
not saying anything. I'm not really sure

1073
01:48:34.479 --> 01:48:42.560
if they exist or not. Many
experts say that they do not exist that

1074
01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:48.479
the practice of leaving a black handprint
behind isn't something that the Apaches or the

1075
01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:54.159
Pimas in the area would do.
If they left behind some kind of handprint,

1076
01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:58.520
it would most likely have been read
because of the red clay that's found

1077
01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:02.600
in the earth. I don't know
if that legend is fact or fiction,

1078
01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:08.880
or if somebody plays into it,
but if you go into these mountains,

1079
01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:14.199
maybe just to be on the safe
side, avoid any places that do have

1080
01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:18.000
that black handprint, you know,
just to be safe, or if it

1081
01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:20.239
is true, just to show a
little respect and be like, all right,

1082
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:27.319
you know, I got you.
They're interesting stories, and the Apache

1083
01:49:27.319 --> 01:49:30.520
black legion has been blamed for a
lot of the depths and a lot of

1084
01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:35.199
the disappearances that happen in these mountains, as well as the portals and the

1085
01:49:35.279 --> 01:49:42.680
little people, and there are so
many myths and legends and there's a lot

1086
01:49:42.760 --> 01:49:50.039
to it. What do you think
Do you think that the Superstition Mountains are

1087
01:49:50.119 --> 01:49:57.920
hunted? Do you think that the
Peraltas and Jacob Altz actually found gold in

1088
01:49:57.960 --> 01:50:02.319
these mountains? If so, do
you think it's been found or do you

1089
01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:08.760
think it'll ever be found? What
do you think of the Apache Black Legion.

1090
01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:15.239
Let me know what you thought of
this, Let me know what some

1091
01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:20.720
of your thoughts and your theories are. That's the end of the episode today.

1092
01:50:21.720 --> 01:50:27.439
Now don't forget that. Next episode, I'll be sitting down with author

1093
01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:31.760
Leslie Fear and we're gonna be talking
about witchcraft. It's gonna be a fun

1094
01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:35.760
episode. And from the little bit
of chatting we have done, she's asking

1095
01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:42.640
me some really good questions, things
that just sometimes I might gloss over because

1096
01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:46.399
it seems like I just assume people
would know. But this kind of interactive

1097
01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:48.880
conversation her and I are gonna have, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

1098
01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:55.800
Send in any questions that you would
like answered, and I'm fine if

1099
01:50:55.840 --> 01:50:59.319
I don't know the answer. I
have no problem stating an in I don't

1100
01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:02.439
know. But let me know what
you thought of this. Let me know

1101
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:06.039
if you have any questions for the
next one. You can always reach me

1102
01:51:06.079 --> 01:51:12.960
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1103
01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:17.119
or if you prefer, you can
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1104
01:51:17.119 --> 01:51:23.600
and Tattoos at gmail dot com.
Thank you all so much for listening.

1105
01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:31.880
I'll see you all later Bye,
I'll drink you around, you follow down

1106
01:51:32.000 --> 01:52:08.079
around. It's not out of space. And then is nine, don't I

1107
01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:12.079
said? And the dough is no