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it's only two guys. The Great duo The Jertones, who are here with
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think that's appropriate by the Jeritones, really really fun band. And then we
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here which Hunt is a parody of the Frank Sinatra hit Witchcraft. There you
go, so and we'll get into that in a moment. There's some some
legal news regarding the former president, actually quite a bit of it. But
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big news day. Melanie Liberty from the Great State of Vermont joins us in
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Tom Blanchard says, oh good, we're finally getting some rain. Yes,
I know, it's it's been so dry lately. Yeah, it's been.
I'll tell you what. Well, you know, we have had We have
had stretches this summer of no rain. We have had long stretches of just
hot, dry weather. But then when we do get the rain. We
had a whole lot of rain in a very short period of time, and
then we get the flash flooding and whatnot. And it seems like lately there's
been quite a few instances, although I don't know if I didn't see anything
about a flash flood warning this afternoon, but the wind is picking up out
there, and I do believe it's going to uh it might storm somewhat.
So I'm glad that I got here before the rain began. We should get
into some stuff, what do you think. Yes, today was a big
day in legal news for the former president Donald John Trump, both good and
bad news. The bad news, of course, being that he got a
received a target letter, and we'll talk about what that is regarding the January
sixth investigation, which is a little bit of a misnomer, but we'll talk
about that also. That's the bad news. The good news is he got
a target letter about the January six investigation. Now why do I say that?
How is that good news. Well, Trump is in a unique position
in that as these indictments sort of stack up and as the legal peril that
he finds himself in begins to grow. Obviously, that's pretty stressful, I
would imagine. I mean, I've never even been arrested, so I don't
know what it's like to be indicted for things and being charged with things.
I don't know how that all goes, But I do know this. Trump
is in a unique position where as these things happen, it is an incredible
fundraising opportunity for him. Granted that money ends up being, you know,
just paid to his legal team, assuming he remembers to pay them, which
has been a bit of an issue in the past. He doesn't always pay
people. Rudy Giuliani apparently never got paid, which is why he may very
well have flipped on his former boss. But we'll leave that aside for the
moment. But yeah, I mean, it's it's it's good news politically for
Trump. Of course, we always find out about these things from him.
For example, if you think back to when the search happened at mar Lago
for the secret documents, how did we learn about that? Initially? He
posted on truth social what was going on. You know, the FBI tried
to keep it relatively low key, so we might not have known about it.
I mean, we would have found out about it, but we wouldn't
have necessarily found out about it as quickly as we did had it not been
for Trump posting about it and bringing it to our attention. But of course
there is a business motive for doing that. The next day, he raised
a ton of money. Every time there's a new legal problem for Trump,
he raises a tremendous amount of money. It's really remarkable. And of course,
the you know, the fundraising emails go out in a timely fashion,
and so he's got quite an operation going there. So this is good news
for him in that sense. Every time something bad happens legally, like a
target letter, And if you get a target letter, it usually means you're
definitely, almost definitely about to be indicted. They don't send those just to
be nice and give you a heads up and say, hey, buddy,
just want you to know we're kind of looking into some stuff, No,
they they that's usually a precursor to an indictment almost always, from what I
understand. Again, I've never I've never been in that situation, or as
as tiny D might say, of course, Governor Ronda Santis, don't blame
me for calling him tiny D. That's one of Trump's nicknames for him,
and that's the one that's my favorite, as well as as tiny D once
said, I don't know what goes into paying off a porn star anyway.
So with each bad thing that happens, it has this effect of it.
I mean, I think he's going to be the Republican nominee anyway. I'd
say it's probably a ninety eight percent chance, right, But with each bad
thing that happens, it further cements that he will definitely be the nominee.
Because the modern Republican Party is become such a cult of personality revolving around Trump,
this only further solidifies him with the base. Every bad thing that happens,
he says, they're not after me, they're after us, They're after
all of us. And and his basse eats it up, and you know,
they give him more money. It's it's a nice work if you can
get it. So all of the legal problems they further cement the likelihood that
he will be the nominee. Yeah, absolutely, will be. I'm quite
certain of it. But while it makes him a stronger and stronger potential nominee
for the Republican nomination for the presidency, it also makes him a worse and
worse general election candidate. I don't think that in a general election when you're
trying to court independence or swing voters who maybe are not necessarily independence, but
they don't always vote with their party when you're trying to or maybe even when
you're trying to court moderate suburban Republicans who maybe aren't so into you. You
in this case being Donald Trump, having multiple criminal indictments might not be quite
so helpful. So again, while it does help him in terms of getting
the nomination and further assures that he will be the nominee, it will hurt
him in the general election. I mean, it is it's a fascinating time
to be alive, to say the least. I never in my life would
have imagined that we would be talking about someone who is on their way to
being a general election candidate. I mean this time next year, you know,
they'll they'll be having the Republican convention where he's accepting the nomination, and
they'll go crazy for him. And there will be a lot of enthusiasm as
he has multiple criminal indictments, so who knows if any of them will go
to trial before then. But I mean to say we are living through an
unprecedented time is an understatement. I mean, we've never seen anything like this.
I mean, it's it's a neat trick that he's pulled. You know,
hey, credit, where do I mean? If you're a long time
listener or perhaps even a newer listener, you've kind of got an idea of
how I feel about him. But I will say this, he in terms
of marketing and branding himself, bravo. I don't know who else could have
maneuvered himself into a position, but it happened very early on. Right,
he was able to establish this very early on. Remember when he said it's
it's it's become such a famous quote. Infamous, although I think at this
point you can say a famous quote back in during the twenty sixteen campaign when
he said I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose
a single supporter. That was at the time, you know, figuratively speaking,
that actually seemed pretty solid, right, you know, I mean,
my god, he could call he could say John McCain wasn't a war hero
because he got captured, and you know, people thought, oh my goodness,
this is going to be the end of him. And it turned out
no, all of a sudden, most of the Republican Party just said,
oh, okay, I guess we hate John McCain now. And instead of
turning against him over that comment, next thing I know, I see all
these Republicans on Fox News talking about how much they despised John McCain and what
a horrible person John McCain was, just because because of what Trump said about
him. So I knew very early on, and I think that was before
that was probably what led Trump to making that comment about I could shoot somebody
in the middle of Fifth Avenue if you could say that about the revered and
respected John McCain. And just by you saying something terrible about John McCain,
all of a sudden, a large swath of the Republican Party decides, oh,
yeah, actually we hate John McCain too. Overnight, I mean literally
overnight. It was incredible. I'd never seen anything like that. So I
knew very early on he had he had managed to establish just at psychological hold
over a very large part of the party. So so when he said he
could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any support,
he was right. But I think he was more right than people, probably
even he realized. You know, at the time, I said, yeah,
figuratively speaking, that's true. Hyperbolically now today, looking back at that
moment, I would say, that's literally true. He could shoot somebody in
the middle of Fifth Avenue, and you know, most MAGA people would say,
well, you know, whoever he shot him, I'm sure they deserved
it. So so he's in a very unique position. I never would have
imagined that in American politics we would see anything like this where someone keeps getting
indicted for things and it actually helps them. His support among Republicans goes up
in the polls, and he raises more and more money. It's it's really
astonishing. I just never would have imagined we would see a phenomenon like this
in American politics. Again, I think it makes him a worse general election
candidate. I would think people generally aren't excited necessarily about voting for someone with
multiple criminal indictments. But the way it helps him consolidate support among Republicans is
really really stunning to me. So well, we'll get into some of the
details about what happened today in a moment, but I do see some new
entrance into the Facebook live chat. Let's see. Isaac Banks joins us,
of course from Greensboro, North Carolina, says good morning, hashtag Matt Connerton.
Today is my birthday. Well, happy birthday to you. It is
afternoon and you are in North Carolina, so I believe you're in the same
time zone. But good afternoon you, Isaac Banks. Isaac Banks says,
I'm age forty three years old. Hashtag at well very nice, very nice.
I saw a coffee mug once I think it said on at age it
said life begins at forty three, which I thought was unusually specific. Jenny
says, Happy birthday, Cristel. Of course, our friend from the great
state of Illinois joins us. Melanie says, is that your all time record
for being alive? Nice job? Yes? Uh, let's see. Crystal
says happy birthday. Alex Whiteley, one of our friends from the UK,
joins us and says evening folks, Happy birthday, Isaac Banks. Let's see.
Isaac Banks says, I was born July eighteenth, nineteen eighty. All
right, very good, six three two five six seven. The studio line
is open if you'd like to join us six two five six seven. But
we'll get into um, we'll get into what's happening today with this target letter.
There's really two big bits of legal news for Trump. One is the
target letter and the other is Judge Eileen Cannon today is supposed to be ruling
on something regarding the schedule for his secret Documents case. It looks like our
friend, our friend Ron is on the line. Hi, Ron, Hey,
Matt, how are you doing, buddy good? How are you great?
Great? Great? Hey, Thanks thanks again for working with my sister
in law the other day. You know, we didn't get we didn't reach
what we the goal that we wanted to, but it doesn't mean that it
was unsuccessful. Ah, So just kudos on that. Thanks for delivering.
Oh of course, I'm very glad that. I'm very glad that you reached
out to me. Oh yeah, yeah, I would have yesterday, but
I don't know what if I fell asleep early or whatever. He's meant too.
Yeah, yeah, but no, no, no, I mean I
mean thank you for thank you for reaching out to me to do a session
with your sister in law. Yeah, definitely, I definitely definitely. You
know, you responded quickly, and I thought that was awesome. O.
Well, glad to do it, all right, my friend, Hey go,
I'm buying me megabuck ticket the top buck or a billion bucks? A
billion? Is that what you said? A billion with a B. Yeah,
it was to be. I just bought two of them. And if
I win, you guys are all get a new furniture in that studio.
Well, we are going to be moving to a different studio, so I'd
hold off on that. I'd see what we need at the new place.
But uh, but so I'll let you go in. I just wanted to
say, hide a melanie out you. Oh very good? Well all right,
Ron, okay, Bud, all right, my friend, bye bye
bye. All right. That was our friend Ron. Yes, I did
a hypnotherapy session over the weekend with his sister in law. So who is
who is lovely? By the way, I enjoyed meeting her virtually. We
did this online but six three two five six seven six three two five six
z seven if you'd like to join us today, so um CNN dot com
has this actually let me refresh it in case there's some new information. The
latest on the Special Council's probe into the into Trump in twenty twenty election aftermath.
Um oh, Melanie says, uh, why hello, Ron, keep
those thoughts clean? Oh my goodness. Um. Scott Robinson joins us in
the Facebook live chat and says Trump doesn't get target letters. He gets target
letters. I don't get it. Um, feel free to clarify that,
Scott. I think there's a joke in there, but it's lost on me.
We have a call. Let's see who's on the line. I think
I might know who this is. Hi, Welcome to Matt Connerton unleashed.
Who's this? Hello, Matt? So this is Ye Robinson. Oh,
the great Jerry Robinson. We love us some Jerry Robinson around here. How
are you, sir? I really appreciate that match. So listen, I
just wanted to say that I've been punting into your show, really really love
exactly what it is you've been doing. You've been bringing up very very very
good topics that make me think, and of course me as a seventy six
year old man, um, I do need to think more to keep my
brain shop. Yes, very important. And take Ginko Beloba I'm told works
well for brain health. What what was it called? Ginko beloba? Not
to be confused with what Shaggy says during that song. I can't remember the
name of it. Yes, Ginko bloba. Oh, excellent, that'd be
great. Um, So listen, you know things, I just wanted to
let you know personally things. I'm going very good with the album. I've
got all your files with setting up studio D now getting my mix to get
all the music ready. And then of course I know I've told you,
but I want to tell everyone that we're gonna have a live performance. It's
going to be a private, private, live performance, of course, and
we're going to record it and put out not only the album of albums,
but also a live album as well. Oh, I can't wait. That
will be amazing, right, it can be fantastic, Matt. So I'm
really excited. But you know, I just wanted to call in to see
how you're doing. I haven't I haven't heard anything from Billy. I hope
he's doing okay and a patronicorn. But I hope you have a great rest
of your day. All the best, Jerry nice Jerry bye bye. All
right. That's our friend Jerry Robinson of course from the band, uh,
Jerry Robinson and the Scumbags. And of course I am credited as the bass
player on that hit single I'm the Man, Yes, Matts, that's me.
H wow, I'm really it's it's wonderful to get to work with Jerry.
A true, a true talent, and uh, you know, I
mean he's an older guy, but I think he's uh, look, I'm
just gonna say this. I think his best days are ahead of him.
I think he's got enormous potential. I think that in terms of not only
not only do I think he's going to be very famous with the music,
but I think he's the next Howard Stern. I think he's the next rated
art comedy star. And he has the seal of approval from my father.
You know, my dad called in the other day and talked about how much
he loves Jerry Robinson. I think we all love Jerry Robinson. I know
one person who's not fond of him, but we don't care about him.
We don't even talk about that guy. But no, Jerry Robinson truly remarkable,
truly remarkable by the way, I opened my show yesterday with the song
suzi Q by Creed Hims, which was a little inside but hopefully Jerry heard
that. Oh, Scott Robinson clarified the joke. Tarja, he doesn't get
target letters. He gets targ letters. I guess because he's a fancy you
know, because he's a billionaire. M oj Fed says, Happy birthday,
Isaac Banks. It's been your birthday for a month. Is that true?
Wow? All right six three two five six seven six zo three two five
O six O seven. If you'd like to join us today, Isaac Banks
says, how is your dad? Hashtag Matt Connerton. He's good. He's
good far as far as I know. UM. So here's the latest on
this. By the way, So when we talk about the thing that I
wanted to clarify again, it often gets when we're talking about these various cases,
the various legal issues that the former president is dealing with, um sometimes
in shorthand we refer to the January sixth investigation, which is really more about
um uh, not about January sixth specifically, but seems to be from what
we know about obstruction is what's really being investigated there. Did the former president
try to obstruct Congress because you know, Congress of course has to certify the
election. Did they Did Trump obstruct Congress from from doing their job the legislative
branch. Did the executive branch obstruct the legislative branch would be another way of
thinking about it, from doing their job certifying the election. Oh, here's
the rain. I just heard thunder and it is ranting out. Um,
so here's the latest on this. Let's look at this. Oh, actually,
well, we've got a couple of things here, Okay. Former President
Donald Trump said today in a social media post that he's been informed by Special
Counsel Jack Smith that he is the target of the criminal investigation into efforts to
overturn the twenty twenty election leading up to the January six, twenty twenty one
attack on the Capitol. Smith has declined to comment on the letter. A
target letter from federal prosecutors to Trump makes clear they are focused on Trump's actions
in the probe, and not just of those around him who tried to stop
his election loss. The move is a sign Trump may be charged again,
and by the way, it is most likely these letters do not go out
unless they are planning to indict Also, I learned something today that I didn't
realize. I didn't know. I mean, I kind of had an idea
about this, but I didn't know the statistic is as high as it is,
more than ninety percent when the Department of Justice brings a case like this,
More than ninety percent of these federal cases that are brought our actual they
never go to trial. They result in plea deals where the defendant tries to
plead out, the reason being they you know, if they do go to
trial, the government almost always wins. So but what it also means is
they don't charge unless they think they can win. You know, there is
such a thing as prosecutorial discretion. Prosecutor just because someone is caught doing something
illegal and maybe they're maybe they're charged with it, even if it's something very
serious. If a prosecutor at any level, I don't just mean that the
DOJ at any level, could be the local prosecutor in your city, could
be anybody. If a prosecutor doesn't think they can win, they can say,
well, we're not going to go forward with this case because we don't
think we can win, or we're not sure that we can win. You
know, depends on whether or not the prosecutor wants to take the risk.
You know, they might again, it all depends on the situation and who's
who the prosecutor is, perhaps who the defendant is. You know, they
might say, they might say, we think we can win, so this
is worth prosecuting. They might say it's a long shot, but no one
is above the law. So even though we think we might very well lose,
we're going to go through with this. Or they might say, we're
sure that this defendant is guilty and this is a serious crime, but we
are not confident that we have enough evidence to convict, so we're going to
pass. They have the discretion to do that, prosecutorial discretion. But apparently,
from what I understand from what I've been learning, when the Department of
Justice charges you, they don't do it unless they really are convinced that they
can win. And that is why more than nine of these cases, these
federal cases end in a plea deal, more than nine. Now, I'm
not suggesting that I think Trump will try to do that. He may not
want to do that because it might conflict with his brand, so to speak,
because he's always talking about well, I'm a fighter, and I'm fighting
for you and we're all in this together, and whatnot. When you take
a plea deal, that's an admission of guilt in a sense. Now,
if he does take that option, which I don't think that he will,
but he could. If he does take that option, takes a plea deal,
his attorneys might try to convince him that it would be the smart thing
to do. He will just spin it as well. Look, I had
to. They're trying to put me in prison, and I need to be
president again, and I need to do it for all of you again.
You know, he's very good about doing the inclusion that you know, we're
all in this together. They're not just after me, They're after all of
us. And I can't fight for you if I'm in prison. So I
had to take that plea deal. I remember when Trump was pleading, when
he started pleading the fifth in a deposition that what was on I can't even
it's so much to keep track of. I don't even remember which case it
was now, but there was a deposition for a civil case I think it
had to be. That was on YouTube, and you know, he pled
the fifth a lot. Now, Trump famously had previously said anyone who pleads
the fifth, obviously they're guilty. That was, you know, Trump's own
words, if you plead the fifth, it means you have something to hide,
is what he had said. Once he was in a position where he
felt he had to plead the fifth and did so over and over again during
that specific deposition. He just spun it as Look, now I understand.
Now I understand what lengths the government will go to to get me. Now
I understand why, because the government is so unfair. Now I understand why
people do it. I didn't realize it before until I was the one in
the crosshairs. Now I get it. See it's easy for him to do
that. And you know, and the base that supports him will support him
no matter what. So you know, he can tell them whatever he wants
to tell them. Crystal says in the chat, fancy letters? Are they
engraved on gold bars with diamonds embedded in for extra sparkle? So he pays
attention to it? I doubt it, I mean I don't I does Trump
even read these target letters? I mean his lures too, obviously, But
so a little bit more here again, this is from CNN. A target
letter from federal prosecutors to Trump made it clear that they are focused on his
actions in this probe and not just of those around him. The move.
The move is a sign that he may soon be charged again. Trump slammed
being a target in the probe today, and the former president said it quote
almost always means unquote an indictment and arrest is coming next. If that sounds
familiar. By the way, remember when he was arrested before, when he
was arrested, was it for the Georgia case. See, I'm having a
hard time keeping track of it all. Anyway, before, when he thought
he was being arrested, he announced it ahead of time. He said,
I'm going to be arrested. Now he announced it about a week before it
actually happened. I remember he said, I'm going to be arrested on Tuesday,
And then Tuesday came and went and he didn't get arrested. But then
I think the following week he was arrested. I mean he went and surrendered.
You know, they didn't. It's not like the Feds showed up at
Marlago and put him in cuffs. It says here Trump has already been indicted
twice this year, in a New York cush money case and in Jack Smith's
probe and the Trump's smithshandling of classified comments. In a hearing today, the
judge overseeing the documents case told prosecutors at a mid December trial date would be
too soon. So that is the other big piece of legal news for Trump
today. Judge Eileen Cannon, who's you know, been under a bit of
a microscope because she got slapped down pretty hard for previously kind of putting the
thumb on the scale for Trump. She has a Trump appointee and the other
judges on her on the circuit there they they reprimanded her for I don't remember
the specific details of what the ruling was now, but we might come back
to that or it might reference at here. But this just happened. This
was updated nineteen minutes ago, So this just happened because today was the first
actual hearing in that case. Judge signals she is likely to push back trial
in Trump classified documents case past mid December. Judge Eileen Cannon signal she is
likely to push back the start of the trial beyond the mid December date proposed
by federal prosecutors, but appeared deeply skeptical skeptical of arguments from former President Donald
Trump's lawyers that he can't get a fair trial while running for president. During
a hearing in federal court in Fort Pierce, Florida, Cannon said a proposal
from federal prosecutors that the trial of Trump and his aid that's Walt Nada,
his codefendant, beheld in mid December, was a bit rushed. She told
prosecutors that their timeline was compressed and said that cases like this take more time.
Cannon did not decide on a trial date, but said she plans to
promptly issue an order on the matter. The judge also pressed the Trump legal
team to commit to a timeline for at least some of the steps in the
pre trial process that it's attorney's told Cannon they believed they would be able to
review enough discovery by November to be able to suggest a potential trial date.
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Now just to remind everyone. Of course, Trump's team they're gonna want to
drag this out as long as they can because the theory is well, Listen,
in a perfect world for Trump, all of this, all of these
various trials get pushed off and delayed, and if they get delayed long enough,
the best case scenario for Trump, and this is probably a long shot,
but it's not impossible, and it's not even implausible, if things get
delayed and delayed and delayed long enough, and he can win election or re
election because he's not the incumbent, but he has already served one term.
If he can get back into the White House, a lot of this goes
away. He can pardon himself. He can tell the Department of Justice dropped
these cases against me. Now, that won't work for everything, that won't
work for the Georgia case, and that won't work for Alvin Bragg's case in
New York, but it will work for the federal cases. He can pardon
himself in theory never been tested. There is some legal legal disagreement over that
whether a president has a power, the executive power to parton himself or not.
But he can make these cases go away, These federal cases and probably
delay everything else until after his presidency. So that's his best case scenario.
You know, keep delaying and delaying and delaying until he gets there. Now
again, you know, he will be the nominee. I'm certain of that
no matter what. But I do think it'll be very difficult for him to
you know, unless Biden just really face plants, which could happen, which
is not outside the realm of possibility, and we might talk about there's also
another pathway for Trump, which will probably talk about in the second hour,
because we have not discussed and we don't have a musical guest today. Tomorrow
we have Wired for Sound on the show, which I'm really looking forward to.
I've been hearing a lot about that band. But in the second half
of the show today, I do want to look at this organization No Labels,
which we've been hearing a lot about. Independent but funded by people with
a lot of money. This is not a grassroots organization by any stretch.
But they could play a spoiler and they could siphon enough votes from Biden to
throw the election to Trump. Trump could very well and it'll it'll be a
close election no matter what. We don't have landslides anymore. We only have
close elections when it comes to the presidency. If you think about it,
Republicans vote for the Republican, Democrats vote for the Democrat. Elections are won
based on independence and swing voters, so you know it'll be close. It
is not outside the realm of possibility that that Trump could be could be elected
in twenty twenty four, and you know a lot of this goes away if
that happens. So they're going to be trying to delay and delay and delay.
And then there's also the arguments and the agonizing over can you try a
presidential candidate? Not? Can you? Legally there's legal questions about and apparently
it is Department of Justice policy. You do not indict and try a sitting
president, but can you try a candidate for the presidency, because there's a
lot of discussion and hand ringing about well, how close to an election is
too close to have a trial? Now my position personally, and I'm not
just regardless of what anyone wants to think or accuse me of. I'm not
just saying this because it's Trump. I would say this about anybody. I
do not believe that the criminal justice system at any level, in any instance,
should be making decisions about whether or not to try somebody or when to
try somebody based on their candidacy for elected office. I do not think that
should factor into it, just as I say, in a broad sense.
And to me, it's not a platitude, as I know someone likes to
tell me, I mean it when I say it that no one is above
the law. If you start saying start making arguments about, well, you
know, if someone's running for elected office and it's too close to the too
close to the election, that it's not really fair to put them on trial
for something. Well if that's what If that's your argument, Oh, well,
you know it's only four months to the election, so this person can't
be tried, then you're you're putting them above the law. We live in
a country where people argue all the time, or people complain all the time,
correctly in most cases, about politicians and how they're not honest and how
very often they're corrupt and they get away with all manner of things. And
yet people will say that and then in the next breath say, well,
I don't know if it's appropriate to try a particular candidate. If they're running
for a particular office, you should at least have the election first, because
you know, what if what if the trial somehow influences the election? I
say, well, what if it does? So what So what if you
are going to argue that you can't try someone who is a candidate for office
because that might somehow influence the election, Then you're putting your thumb on the
scale in favor. The criminal justice system is putting its thumb on the scale
in favor of that candidate and saying they are above the law. They're running
for office. I mean, to me, it's it's absurd that you would
do that. So I get I mean, I get very frustrated when I
hear this stuff again. Not I'm not just talking about this, by the
way, I'm not just talking about Trump. These these arguments and these considerations
go on at other levels of government, you know, UH candidates running for
you know, I'm trying to think of a specific example. I think it's
probably happened at least once in Illinois, because Illinois they have history of corrupt
governors. Or Oh, here's here's an example. Ken Paxton, the U
I think now he's the former UH state attorney general in the state of Texas.
You know, he was under indictment while running for office, but they
wouldn't go ahead and try him for anything because they said, well, in
Texas, they said, we can't actually go forward with a trial while he's
running for attorney general. Whi's his ironic in and of itself, that's the
office he's running for, the top law enforcement official in the state of Texas.
We can't try him for that. He's a candidate. What if it
influences the election? Well again, what if it does. So what we're
supposed to show him, which is what happened or they And I'm not in
Texas. They in Texas, they felt they had to show him extra deference
because he was a candidate. So we can indict him, but we can't
actually try him. By the way, though, Ken Paxson is an example
of how, yes, you can be under indictment and still win and uh
office. You know, there's there's no there's no laws against that. It's
it's fascinating. We have laws that say if you're a convicted felon, you
can't vote. Um, there's no law that says if you're a convicted felon
you can't hold public office. And Mike Doyle's on the line. Hello,
hey man, hey, um hey um. I was just waiting for some
Chinese food here for my wife's birthday, and I was listening to you.
I was saying to myself, humanitarian wise, what do you think it is
that makes people want to put a guy like Donald Trump in jail for a
hundred years. You know, a guy who has a family, a guy
who did a very narcissistic, very There's a lot of bad to him,
a lot of negative. Um uh, the traits I guess you would call
him. But but but three years ago as a president, had this country
humming before the pandemic, right, I mean just humming, low gyas,
low inflation, low unemployment, middle East peace troops, raises on and on
and on, the largest tax cut in history. You just keep going on
and on. This country was humming, and he tried to do the best
he could for the country. It doesn't matter that and people hate him so
much that they think about it they want to put him in jail for one
hundred years over a box of documents. Now, now I know you're gonna
say this is not what about is m But you've got you've got strewn boxes
of tox sepid documents all over the Biden House, by an office, Biden
library, and he has no legal basis to have those. He's never as
president. He was vice president and a senator. Ok. Ahead, did
you want to say something? Yeah? So, um, something right wing
media has taken and twisted is um. And I think this is what you're
referring to. I mean, yeah, so obviously a classified document in his
garage is inappropriate and whatnot. But um, as a senator, he donated
quite a few boxes. Trump brings it up all the time, something like
thousands of documents that he donated to a library as a senator, which was
perfectly legal and appropriate to do and nothing top secret about it. But what
right wing media consistently does is they take that and they pretend it's something completely
different, and then it just gets repeated and repeated and repeated. Well,
no, but people do that. People Obama did it. Clinton did they
all? They all, when they have a library named after him, they
all give them documents of things that aren't type secret. They didn't, they
didn't donate top secret documents to a library in University of Delaware, Right they
could send documents of him meeting certain PEP stuff that isn't top secret, right,
I'm just I'm just documents in his garge sitting on a garage floor.
Well, I don't I don't think it was a box. I thought it
was a document. But regardless, that's in a country it was. But
the reason the picture and they home in on it. But I wanted to
clarify. But I wanted to clarify what you were saying, Mike, because
and for sorry if I misunderstood, but it sounded like you were going into
that talking point that I keep hearing in right wing media that is not correct.
So I wanted to clarify that for the listeners. And if that's not
what you were doing, it sounded like that's what you were trying to do.
So I wanted to just clarify that. But if that's not what you're
trying to do, I apologize. Do you want to see? Do you
want to see after Joe Biden's done in office? The same theory happened that
all of a sudden, they say, well he did have top secret domes,
let's put him away for a hundred years. Mike, I would be
all Mike, Mike. If after Joe Biden leaves office, if he's caught
with top secret documents that he's refusing to give back after being asked multiple times
by the government, and he's caught with nuclear secrets, dude, I will
be the first one to say, throw his ass in prison. Are you
kidding me? I will be the first one to say it. Absolutely,
absolutely, one hundred percent. I don't The Left has gone too far.
They just keep they want nothing to do with this man. They're gonna ruin
his life. They're gonna put him in jail. He tried to do the
best he could for this country. He did get caught up and things he
shouldn't have said. January sixth was stupid. He thought he really thought the
election was stolen from him. Probably shouldn't done things he did, all right,
you know what I mean. But then you're gonna have Donald Trump and
jail for one hundred years, which is basically his lifetime. You're gonna have
Joe Biden possibly in jail. It's going to start a whole new precedent that
we good of fact, good account of ability. Oh, it's gonna start
a whole new precedent, good that's good. I don't care who it is.
I don't care what they do for the country. If they engage in
criminal activity and they get caught after they've been president and they're old, and
then they're gonna be in prison. Good. I don't care who it is.
I don't care if it's Trump. I don't care if it's Biden.
Well, I don't care who it is. But that's not that's not true
because go back to the list. Clinton had tapes in his suck draw that
he didn't give over. When when Hillary Clinton had her had her subpoena her
laptop, she destroyed it. There was a subpoena from Congress. That's illegal.
You can't do that. Oh enough to see here what she did was
no big deal. Well, I wonder what, so why, Mike,
Mike, why is it that? So? What happened then during the Trump
administration, because one of Trump's campaign promises was I'm gonna put her in prison,
and he said it so often that he had people at all of his
rallies chanting, lock her up, lock her up. And he said he
even said it to her on the debate stage. When I'm president, You're
going to be in prison. What happened? He had four years to get
that done. What happened? And why? And what? And what about
her husband? Why isn't he in prison too? If if you think he
should be in prison, what happened? These are all documented things. These
are all I don't know why you're arguing against it. No, No,
are all documented things. Well, call came out and said, well,
you know, what she did was wrong, but we don't think it rises
to the level of you're missing my point. You're missing my point, Mike.
One of Trump's campaign promises is I'm going to put Hillary Clinton in jail.
Then he had campaign rallies where everyone believed it. Hell, you might
have been one of them. You might have. For all I know,
you might have been in a campaign rally chanting with everybody, lock her up,
lock her. I don't know. You tell me what happened. I
don't know. I don't know. I don't know why you're asking. If
you're not on the inner circle of Donald Trump, Well you're you're you're so
it's just odd to me that you're so sure that she should be in prison,
and yet your guy had four years to get it done, which he
promised he would do. And as soon as he was in office, I
didn't hear another word from him about locking her up. Did you what happened?
He was too busy. He was too busy running the country, running
on a lowest unemployment across the ball. Mike, Mike, you know what,
when he gets up the Veterans Association, I mean, he did a
lot for this country, well, Mike, and maybe he'll do more.
You know what, maybe when he gets back in, if he gets back
in, maybe he'll go back and get an attorney general who will charge Hillary
with something and put her in prison. You know, maybe it's just odd
to me that, you know, it's just weird. Now, she destroyed
the evidence, so they had evidence, but she destroyed it. So it
kind of hard to go back and say, hey, we're gonna put you,
but we have no evidence because you destroyed it. Okay. Well,
I don't know. I just he'll he'll find he'll find find a way.
In this country, we're going down a rat hole of trying to crush everybody
who's supposed to be the leaders of this country and help this country and help
people. And there's this, there's this attack to just take him down,
take them down. Two years of Russian collusion, right, you guys said
into it. You couldn't stop, you couldn't get enough. You always do
that. No, Nope, that was wrong. You always do that,
you guys. I don't know why you do that. After all this time,
you still do that. You guys sped into it. I said,
I said, you didn't talk about Russian collusion at all on your show.
Of course I did, and I said right from the beginning, And I
said right from the beginning that I didn't think Trump himself was personally colluding.
I said that right from the beginning. We've had this conversation at least somewhere
between fifteen to twenty times where I've reminded you that I said that from Yoh,
yes we have, Mike, believe it's been a long time since we've
had that conversation. But I've I've reminded you, maybe more like ten or
twelve times, but I've I've reminded you many times that I said that right
from the beginning. But then you do the you guys thing, which is
fine, all right, I'm going to officially apologize for that. I mean,
of course I talked about it. It was in the news. Yeah,
except right, and it was wrong. It was It was two years
of Adams Shift standing in front of the camera saying I have physical evidence that
will take this guy down, and went went to impeachment and didn't bring up
any evidence, had nothing, but he totally American people. Is that right?
Is that? Oh? I know that he's a fact. Yeah.
I think the Democrats really misplayed that. I do. Yeah, and I've
said that. Come on, I've said that there went over over a phone
call with sifty people listening in on the call. Yeah, I didn't like
that call. We're gonna we're gonna impeach him over that? Well, I
did. Again, they weren't. It's not like they were ever going to
get a conviction, not with a Republican control. They weren't going to get
it by the Senate. But I didn't like the don't want to make it
look bad. I didn't like I didn't like the call. I'm just saying
that. I wish people would step back and look at the overall and say,
all of these things they keep throwing at him and nothing sticks, and
can one person do this much wrong? That was the president of the country
and tried to do the best for this country, And don't take away he's
not a narcissist. He's not a he's not I'm the best thing that ever
lives in slice bread. He's cocky, he's narcissistic. I know all that.
I just know. I try to separate that from what what he did
for this country. This is all I'm saying. We were, we were
rolling, pre pre pandemic. I don't people forget that gas was under two
bucks a gallon. You know, milk was a dollar ninety nine a gallon
and things like that. The uh, the inflation rate was one point five
percent. This country was rolling. You even said it, you said,
if not for the pandemic, he was probably going to get reelected. Oh
yeah, I thought so, yeah, yeah yeah. And so now we've
come this far, they want to he's got a chance to go up again
for president, try to do it again. And now we're gonna we're gonna
cut his knees off whatever way we can. And it just it's just ugly
politics, is all. That's just what I feel. It's ugly politics.
Yeah, well I completely disagree on that part, as you know. But
yeah, all right, Well I just wanted to skill my two cents in
all right, Mike, I appreciate it. Yeah, talk to you later,
all right, and please tell your wife I said happy birthday. Oh
thanks, all right, Mike, take care. All right. That was
Mike Doyle And uh, we're gonna take a break in a minute. I
think, um, I do want to just finish up on this um because
I don't think we finished up on the part about Actually I should refresh that
now, you know what. Actually, let's take a break now because it
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It is Tuesday, July eighteen, twenty twenty three. By the way,
the song we just heard was mixtape from the band Satellite Union. My friend
Dave Wally joined us via Skype on Friday from the Great City of Chicago talking
all about his band, and we kind of caught up a little bit too,
because Dave and I went to high school together, so it's really been
cool to reconnect with him and to hear what he's doing. Such great.
Uh. That might be my favorite song of Satellite Union. I love that
track. It's so catchy and it's got a I think it's got a certain
time, it's funny, it's it's like the song itself, I think has
got a certain timelessness to it and that it could work in any any era.
I think I said this to him too during our interview, that any
era that that came out and it would kind of fit. And yet the
mixtape itself is specific to a certain time, you know, because there's no
such thing as a mixtape. I guess in theory there could be they still
make us sets, they still make as set players. You could make a
mixtape in twenty twenty three, but why would you so? But the mixtape
itself is something that's of a specific time period. But but the song,
I think it is timeless, as is their their sound, the sound of
that band. And so that was really cool getting to talk to Dave on
Friday. But that's um, Like I said, that's probably my favorite song
of theirs H. So I figured i'd give that a spin today. You'll
you'll be hearing that and some of the others from Satellite Union now and then
on the show. Speaking of musical guests, tomorrow on the show, we
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there is additional news regarding the subject that we were discussing in the first hour,
the ever growing list of legal challenges and woes for former President Donald John
Trump, the president of the United States. He revealed today if you're just
joining us, or if you haven't caught any of the news, he did
reveal today that he received a target letter, apparently on Sunday. That a
target letter meaning yes, we are in fact investigating you regarding the what we
in shorthand refer to as the January sixth investigation. But it's really more about
the effort to overturn the twenty twenty election. And there's other aspects of that
that we haven't even gotten into yet that We're going to touch on in a
moment regarding the fake electors plot. You know, having these different states present
electors who would go for Trump instead of Biden, even though Biden carried their
states, and it's all very insidious and it there's also a growing suspicion that
Rudy Giuliani has flipped on Trump. He did that proper session with the DJ
where basically you get to go in and be sort of immune to whatever you
regarding, whatever you reveal for usually on that one day. You know,
whatever you tell them, if it's pertinentto the case, you know, you're
not going to be held accountable yourself, sort of a temporary immunity. Again,
a lot of this I'm learning about for the first time myself, so
I'm not a legal expert of any kind. Oh, Abigail Jim joins us
in the Facebook lave chat. I haven't seen her in there in a while.
Hello, she says. When I hear the phrase target letter, I
picture a letter with the Target logo at the top of it, Yes,
or a flyer perhaps in your Sunday paper advertising the sales at Target. Let's
see. Well, obviously, you know we did hear from Mike Doyle right
before the break, and that a lot of comments in the Facebook live chat
will take a look at those two and get input from everybody. The point
I just want to clarify something though. The point that I was trying to
make to Mike was if if and I would say this, but it's not
directed at him. It's directed at anybody who insists on and it is what
about is in my opinion, you know, when when you're talking about holding
Trump accountable and the response is, now, to Mike's credit, he didn't
bring up Hunter Biden. That's usually what people will do in that case.
But you know when he started talking about Hillary and talking about Bill Clinton and
all this, and you know, again, I would just say, if
you're so sure that they should be in jail, well, why didn't Trump
get that done during his four years? Why did Bill Barr and before him,
Jeff Sessions tell him, well, you know, there's really nothing we
can charge these people with if you're so sure that they could be in prison,
because that is something Trump promised, is it not? And I guess
you can say, oh, well, he was too busy running the country.
Well then why did he promise that? Why did he promise that he
was going to lock her up. That literally was the chant. You could
go to any Trump rally and everybody would chant there were two things, build
that wall and lock her up, and everyone would chant that. Okay,
So what happened? He's just too busy. I mean, that was one
of his key campaign promises, right, But anyway, that was the point
that I was trying to make about that, Alex Whiteley said in the chat
room, we'll I want to look at the comments and then we'll get to
some more news regarding all the legal news of it's it's been a big legal
in the world of MAGA. It's been a big day in terms of legal
stuff legal news today. So we'll pivot back to that in a moment.
But Alex Whiteley said in the chat room, have you ever met a politician
that is actually out there to do good? I have, and it's so
disarming. They are rare, but they do exist. I actually think,
Alex, I think most people who get into politics, I think they do
want to do good. Because when you first get into politics, you start
out locally, usually right, unless for some reason, you have a lot
of money behind you and you can shoot for higher office. But most people
start out locally in their city or town, and I think they do want
to do good because it's kind of a thankless job at that level, right,
and once you have to go through to run and win. But I
think that what happens is, you know, we have a system where so
for example, if you want to talk about and this is true anywhere,
of course this is true where you are alex but just to use an example
here in America, if say it's federal office, say you are elected to
become a senator, it becomes at a certain point, it becomes much more
about not just once you're in power, how do you keep that power?
And it's no secret that, for example, United States senators, I've heard
many of them even acknowledge this over the years that sometimes half or more than
half of their time is spent fundraising. In other words, you get elected
and then all of your time in office ultimately is about getting reelected doing things
that are going to get you. If you're a senator that are going to
get you another term at the end of that six years, you spend that
six years trying to make sure that you get another six years. Or if
you're a congressman, you spend that two years trying to make sure you get
another two years. Or if you're a governor, you spend that four years
trying to make sure you get another four years. Or here in New Hampshire
it's only two years. I think New Hampshire and Vermont I think we're the
only states in the country that still have to your gubernatorial terms. But everywhere
else it's four you know. Or if you're a president and you're in your
first term, you spend that four years trying to make sure you get another
four I think that's what happens. I think, and I don't even know
quite what to do about it. People say, while get the money out
of politics, but I think the real problem is human nature. You know.
I almost hate to say it because it's such a tired and somewhat worn
out cliche, but I think it holds up only because it happens to be
so horribly true that absolute power corrupts absolutely and people get power and then it
becomes about keeping that power. So I do think. I do think when
people start out as politicians, they do want to do good. I think,
probably in other words, as somebody running for say, you know,
city council in Berwick, Maine or something. You know. I don't think
they're doing it because they're thinking, Oh, that's going to be I really
want that power, you know. I don't think at that level that's why
you do it. But I think it becomes that as you ascend the political
ladder, it becomes more learn more about that and I think that's what happens.
And and by the way, I think that there are people who do
ascend the ladder who continue to want to do good on some level to some
degree, but that will ultimately have to become second priority to the first priority,
which is to remain in power. And I would imagine too, the
psychology of it is interesting to me. I would imagine that there comes a
point where professional politicians, as they're trying to remain in power, they probably
convinced themselves that the ends justify the means in some points where, you know,
especially if they're doing things that maybe aren't quite on the up and up
in terms of fundraising and campaign finance. I mean, we have campaign finance
laws, but a lot of them aren't really worth a dam because it's easy
to work around them. I would imagine that there's a point that a lot
of politicians get to where the ends justify the means, and they'll do things
that maybe are outside the bounds of what might be considered ethical or that most
people would approve of, or it might even be within the law but not
necessarily within ethical bounds by the average person's standards. But they get to a
point where they say, well, I have to do this to remain in
power, because if I don't remain in power, somebody else is going to
be in this seat and they're going to do bad things. I want to
remain in power to do good things. And it becomes a cycle. It's
like, well, I have to remain in power so I can continue to
do good, but remaining in power has to be the first priority, because
if I only worry about doing good but I don't worry about remaining in power,
then the good that I get to do will end at the end of
this term because I'm going to lose the election if I don't focus on first
on remaining in power. And again, I don't know what to do about
that. Like I said, people say, get money out of politics.
I don't think. I don't think the money itself is the problem. I
think human nature is the problem. I almost hate saying that because it sounds
so horribly cynical, but I do think that is I do think that is
the truth. And Mike is calling us back. Hey Mike, hey,
hey, sorry, just on the subject you were just talking about real quick.
Yeah. You know how you prove what you were saying is correct is
look at the votes in Congress and in the Senate where a vote comes up
for something to do with the common the common man, and you've got every
Senator voting one way and every senttor on the other side voting the other way,
or every Congressman voting one side and every just about every Congressman voting the
other. That tells you that the system is broken, do you know what
I mean? There's not one There's not one Democrats senator who thinks, you
know, maybe that's what they're doing is best for my state. I'm gonna
go, I'm gonna vote. But that's just not how it works in politics.
It's pretty much party line voting most of most of the time. I
think that's the day in line and stay stay with the with the good people
on that side so they can get reelected. Yeah, well, I do
loathe our two party system absolutely that. Yeah, And I always said there
should be three presidents, not one. An expert in foreign policy, an
expert in the United States policy, and an expert in health or something.
And for every decision they want to sign an executive order, two out of
three have to okay it. Yeah, it's an interesting job for one man
is just too much. It's just, you know, as we're seeing now,
especially somebody elderly, it's a tough it's a tough sled for for a
guy like Biden's old showing just showed signs of age. I'm not going to
say cognitive or anything, but just he's definitely showing signs of age. And
we all know. You know, you go to the picnic and you speak
to you you see your uncle Joe, who's who's eighty and he's sitting in
a chair and you go over and talk to him. You know, he's
in and out a little bit. This some you know what I mean?
Did you what did you say? Hey? Wait? You know, so
to have a guy president at eighty or eighty four is is is another thing.
But anyways, I was just our system is so broken. It it
sucks and you know who gets hurt the common person. Oh yeah, oh
absolutely, you know we're the ones that don't get you know what I mean.
I'm not, I'm not. I'm not saying this personal. But somebody
like our our guy, our representatives, the guy from the back room.
I can't think of his name right now, and I apologize, Chris Chris
Pappish. You know, he's there to represent New Hampshire and his vote was
people are saying somewhere in the high nineties of voting whatever Nancy Pelosi put up
and said, I want you to vote for. Does Nancy Pelosi have New
Hampshire's best interest in mine? Probably not, be can't even her only district
of San Francisco, that's her one district. Do you think about that?
And she's the third most powerful person at the we're in the world two years
ago and she can't even get San Francisco straightened out. So wow, just
it just we just need we need a new system somehow. I don't know
what it is, no party, three party something, but let's let's figure
it out and do it's best for everybody right right now anyways, sounds wishful
thinking, I know. Yeah, it's hard to change the system, that's
for sure. Yeah, I'll calculate, all right. Thanks, thanks for
the call, Mike. All right, very good. That was our friend
Mike Doyle. And that does open up the line for you. Six zo
three two five six zero seven six three two five six seven. Abigail Jem
says in the chat room, I was thinking the same thing, She says,
one person, not one man. No, I agree, Abigail.
Um. I suspect though, And I don't think Mike meant just in Mike's
defense, so, I don't think he meant anything sexist. I think I
think it's just that. Um. I think it's probably habit because we've only
had male presidents so far, So I don't I don't think he meant I
don't think he meant anything by that. I had the same thought. But
I you know, I'm probably guilty of doing that myself at one point or
another, just because we've only had men so far, so it becomes sort
of subconsciously ingrained. But we have a call. Hi, welcome to Matt
Connerton unleashed. Is this Hey? Was that Mike calling? Oh it's Louis.
Yes, that was Mike Doyle on the line that Mike from the J
six committee. Anyway, he made a very good point. Is his expertise
slides in horses, But he made a good point. It is a job
that's too much for one man. What we need is one woman. There
you go, a woman to run this country. Well we almost had one,
but that didn't quite pan out. Um no, no. But when
we have a woman in charge, when men can step back a little bit,
that's when we'll have real leadership, real empathy, real understanding, universal
healthcare. We got to realize life is so short, yes, and we
just can't have this life of the people with a high gun in Bradstreet rating,
everyone counts. Everyone agreed, agreed very well, said Louis. Yes,
I'm all instead of the halves and the have nots. Right now we
have the halves and haven't got a shot. We got to level the playing
field. And the only gender capable of doing that is a woman. Now,
why do you why do you say that? Do you think do you
think women are more Do you think women are more pragmatic? Do you think
women are just generally pragmatic has nothing to do it. I like the word,
but pragmatic has to do a lot with logic. Women are not born
with the chemical and balance of testosterone. You know, I like the word
pragmatic, but women can think outside the box. A woman does twelve things.
A man is trying out how to figure out two. They're very good
for taking out the trash. They're very good for fixing a plat tire.
But men are the inferior gender. It is time for a female, just
like it's time for a female to run the state of New Hampshire. Joyce
Craig is the perfect person to be governor of New Hampshire. Well, we
have had, we have had a female governor before Maggie Howson was governor.
Ye shaheen. I don't need, but we need now in these times,
someone that can see the whole picture. We don't need people saying they're gonna
sign legislation for cannabis and then when it comes across his desk, we need
to open you know, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New
York, Alaska, California. Is everyone wrong in New hamps right, No
pun intended. I've always thought it's strange that our motto has lived free or
die, and yet we can't seem to legalize cannabis here they don't want to
legalize cannabis because they're they're afraid they're cash cow selling booze on the highway and
then saying don't drink and drive. What they don't realize when you're having a
little Hennessy, you can take a puff, right, Jenny points out in
the chat room too. They advertise here, you know, like like Massachusetts,
they'll actually advertise, you know, dispensaries and so forth. Here,
although we have dispensaries you can get where you can get medical cannabis. But
Massachusetts actually advertise, you know, because there it's fully illegal cannabis products.
Here, we've been legal in California since nineteen ninety six for medical reasons.
That's twenty seven years for an old guy like me that can even add what
is New Hampshire? Wait that New Hampshire should change the name of the state
to New Hampshire and they should have a strain called New Hampshire's Finest. It's
time to legalize week. No one died smoke in a bone. All these
people die in a fetnel, that is true. No one's ever died from
cannabis, that is that is true. Louis, I agree that was a
guy named Dylan that sang a song everyone must get Stone. It isn't the
end of the world. Yeah, I mean yeah, I've always well,
I oppose the drug war in a broad sense anyway, but it is it's
pretty remarkable. You know, we live in a country where we've got I
don't know how many millions of people are in prison for low level drug offenses.
Meanwhile, we have all these states that have fully legalized it. I
don't know why we're not letting people out of prison. Cannabis is not a
drug. It's a plane, it it's a flower. It's a medicine.
Yeah, that's uh, that's how I see it. I mean I don't.
I don't use it personally. It doesn't doesn't go well for me when
I have tried it. So but but absolutely, many many people do use
it for medicine, and it's certainly not something you know, even if I
think if you pull people, even if you pull people who don't necessarily agree
with using it or approve of it, if you ask them, well,
do you think we should be throwing people in prison for it, They'll tell
you no, no, we should not. Anyone that hasn't used it hasn't
tried it well. I think that's probably literally true. Yes, Sativa in
all the different strains gummies to help people with medical problems to go to sleep,
have anxiety depression PTSD. What is New Hampshire waiting for? We should
clarify though it is. It is legal here for medical use, and it
is decriminalized. We just can't seem to get to full legalization here, even
though we're surrounded by states and Canada where it is in fact fully legal.
God bless America. Joyce Craig for governor the State of New Hampshire. And
the only way that this country can have some semblance of order is to elect
a woman president of the United States of America. I like it. I
like it. Louis, all right, have a nice afternoon, and the
show as great as always, and Mike his input is always fantastic. But
once again tomorrow they'll be racing at Saratoga and that's where his expertise were.
All right, very good, all right, Louis, thank you for the
call. All right, we haven't heard from Louis Angelius. I think is
hey, you say his name now. We haven't heard from him in a
long time, so that that was a cool surprise, six two five or
six O seven is a number if you'd like to join us. Six three
two five six seven. I and, uh, that was quite quite a
dose of feminism there, I do think. Um. By the way,
his point though about uh testosterone, Um, I I have wondered about that
myself. If if um, you know, because well just as an example,
so, um, you don't hear about nearly as much nearly as many
road rage incidents with women as you do with men. Why is it so
much more prevalent with men? Because we have testosterone, We you know,
we lose our tempers. I mean, not me, I'm not a road
rage guy, but I'm just saying broadly. You know. Um, A
lot of people say there'd be less war if women ran the world instead of
men, because as men were driven by testosterone and ego, I think generally
much more than women. So um, Melanie says, I disagree that was
feminism. Well, I don't want to get into a whole I mean,
we yeah, I thought it was. I thought, I don't know,
there's different, like anything, there's different ideologically, there's different kinds of different
kinds of feminism. They I mean, you can go on YouTube and find
podcasts of people arguing over what feminism is or isn't. But but you know
more about feminism than I do because you're an actual female, So I defer
to you. But I did think it was I did think what Louis said
was quite enlightened. I'll put it that way. Let's see some more.
Like I said, there were a lot of comments in the chat room while
Mike Doyle was on the line the first time. Melanie says, but Matt,
Democrats read documents in the bathroom all the time. That's all Trump was
doing with those pathroom files. Our Dell five joins us in the chatroom and
says, we say that we are a pop singing group quartet and we are
from Greensboro, North Carolina. Helenie says, in all caps, butter emails,
Matt our Dell five says, Trump Trump to Trump, we what's he
up to? Of the ex President Trump? I'm not sure I quite understand
the question, our Dell five, but I appreciate the input. Jenny says,
even if everything he is saying is true regarding Mike's defense of Trump,
what does that have to do with Trump having military movement maps and nuclear information?
All of it. He even said so on tape. Yeah, Well
that's the thing. I mean, even if the guy, even if the
guy walked on water, that doesn't excuse trying to illegally overturn an election,
taking secret documents, refusing to give them back, which is an obstruction of
justice, and so forth. You know, you can you can do.
You can do a lot of good things and still be a criminal. To
be very blunt about it, and I don't think that just because you did
some things that some people like, that that excuses the or criminality, or
that we should just ignore it or just say, well, what about this
other person who did something bad? See. The problem with what about ism
is that if you if you take what about ism and you follow it through
by the way, I don't. I can't think of another example of where
someone has taken documents of nuclear secrets and then refuse to give them back and
actually had an attorney sign an ALFI David saying oh we gave everything back when
we actually didn't know all that. I can't think of anything on the scale
of what Trump is accused of. Allegedly, he is entitled to the presumption
of innocence until proven guilty. But I can't think of anything on that scale
ever. First of all, but the problem with what about ism is if
you follow it through to its natural logical conclusion, the conclusion that you must
arrive at if you do follow it all the way through, is that actually,
no one can ever be held accountable for anything if if you're really going
to follow it all the way through logically, because apparently you can't hold anybody
you don't like accountable. You have no right to hold someone you don't like
accountable for something because someone you do like they might have also done something bad.
And the example that I like to use is imagine you're you're sitting on
a jury in a murder trial, and it looks pretty bad for the defendant,
but you're one of the jurors. At during the closing arguments, the
defense attorney gets up and says, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I
realize it looks really bad for my client, and you're probably convinced that my
client committed this murder. But let me ask you this, what about all
the other people who committed murder? I don't see you sitting in judgment of
them. Hey, and one of those people that might be someone you like.
Oh, but you're sitting here in judgment of my client, you know,
I mean, come on, you can't just it doesn't work that way.
Accountability doesn't work that way. So you know, we either hold people
accountable and I'm sorry if some slip through and you're not happy about it.
But even if that argument is true and that someone is being selectively targeted or
prosecuted, even if it's true, or even if it's true that there's more
than one standard of justice and you feel that an unfair standard of justice is
being applied to a particular individual, I can't imagine why anyone would believe that
that means that you should just have no standard, just just have no standard.
Then just let it be a free for all and anybody can do whatever
they want to and engage in whatever criminal activity they want to, and as
long as somebody thinks they did a good job, then you just have to
give them a pass on everything. I mean, it's you know, and
of course it's purely partisan. And I meant what I said. You know,
if if that were Joe Biden or anybody else, you know, yeah,
you hold them to the same standard. Absolutely. I don't want anyone
stealing nuclear secrets. I don't want anyone's scheming to overturn an election trying to
take my vote away. I don't want anyone sitting in a dining room off
of the Oval Office, watching on television while our capital is being overrun and
just sitting there watching it on television for a couple of hours. Because the
people overrunning the Capitol are people who like the person sitting there in the dining
room next to the Oval Office having a sandwich or whatever. You know,
I don't I don't want anybody doing that, regardless of how I feel about
them, and anyone who does do that, they should be all accountable my
opinion. Scott Robinson says, Oh, maybe he'll finally get Mexico to write
that check regarding if Trump is If Trump does get back in, Jenny says
Mike has a chronic case of what about is him? Melanie says, I
bet he would have had time to follow up if he shut Fox News off?
Well, Mike says he. Mike says he watches CNN as well.
Melanie says, it's just so fascinating that he allows no space for what if
the charges are appropriate? What if he actually did these things. Well,
I think he was making the argument that it doesn't matter because he thinks Trump
Trump did a good job for the country. I think that, at least
that's what it sounded like was his argument. I don't want to speak for
him, but that was my perception of his argument. It doesn't matter what
Trump, if Trump did anything wrong, because he feels that he did a
good job for the country, so therefore it's not fair to hold him accountable
for any of these things, whether he did them or not. That's what
I got from that. At least, Crystal says our friend from Illinois,
this is a regarding James Comy because Mike did bring up James Comy. Crystal
says Comy should be in jail for theft of government property that he gave to
his college pal. The information in Comy's belonged to the government. Doesn't matter
if it was Comy's notebook. Confidential information is still confidential, regardless of what
is it is written on. I'd forgot about that. Actually, Yeah,
when Comy leaked I don't remember all the details of that exactly, but Comy
leaked something that to his h yeah, somebody from college, and it was
very strange. I don't remember exactly what it what all the details of that
were, but I remember being troubled by it, like, no, that
doesn't sound that doesn't sound right to me. Ardell five says we are going
to be an opening act for fun is Porsche Eplay a pop singing girl group.
Oh, we're going to have people support us hashtag Matt Connerton. Well,
very good, very good. All right, So we do have a
little bit more on today's events. If you're just joining us, We've been
talking about Trump's the illegal developments in Trump world today. Oh hello to uh
Chris from the band Edgewise, who joins us in the Facebook life chat.
Hello, sir. Probably there's something else I wanted to get to, but
we'll probably have to save that for tomorrow. Um. They they left the
The hearing concluded that Judge Eileen Cannon was presiding over, so I wanted to
look at that. But there was also something about the fake Electors plot scheme,
which is part of the Jan six probe, which is again really about
trying to overturn the election. Yes, let's see there's a okay. Trump's
lawyers decline to answer questions after hearing and classified documents case. So this we
were talking about earlier too. This is the other bit of news today,
Judge Eileen Cannon. They had a hearing about potentially when the trial will actually
begin. Says here Donald Trump's lawyers decline to answer questions about the target letter
from Special counsel Jack Smith and about today's hearing in the Marlago classified documents case
while leaving a courtroom in Florida. The hearing in federal court in Fort Pierce
lasted less than two hours. Neither Trump nor special counsel Jack Smith attended the
hearing, but the former president's aid and codefendant, Walt Nada, was there.
Nada appeared attentive and spoke only once in open court, saying quote,
good afternoon, your honor, at the start of the hearing. Not as
attorneys also declined to comment as they were leaving the courthouse. Now, the
other thing though, okay, this is this just happened while we were on
the air. Michigan Attorney General charges sixteen participants in the twenty twenty fake elector
plot. Now this was going on in multiple states, by the way,
where they had fake electors who were going to present themselves, who were trying
to present themselves and even signed actual documents claiming to be the official legal electors,
and they were supposed to when the Electoral College would meet, they were
going to say our state, we as electors representing our state, we go
for Trump, even though that state had gone for Biden, Michigan being one
of the states where this was going on. So this is a very important
part of this whole attempt to overturn the twenty twenty election. Sixteen fake collectors
who signed certificates falsely claiming President Donald Trump won Michigan in twenty twenty election have
been charged with crimes. State Attorney General Dana Nessel announced today. So again
this happened while we were on the air of this announcement. The charged individuals
are Kathy Burden, a Republican National Committee woman from Michigan, William Chote,
Amy that Chanello, Clifford Frost, Stanley Grott, those a whole bunch of
names here. It doesn't matter. I don't know who any of these people
are. All sixteen individuals were charged with multiple felonies quote for their role in
the alleged false electors scheme following the twenty twenty US presidential election, Nessel's office
announced. The counts include one count of conspiracy to commit forgery, two counts
of forgery, one count of conspiracy to commit uttering and publishing, and one
count of uttering and publishing, all of which carry a maximum of fourteen years
in prison, as well as one count of conspiracy to commit election law forgery
and two counts of election law forgery, which carry a maximum of five years
in prison. Okay. The statement from Nessel said this quote. The false
elector's actions undermined the public's faith in the integrity of our elections, and we
believe also plainly violated the laws by which we administer our elections in Michigan.
My department has prosecuted numerous cases of election law violations throughout my tenure, and
it would be malfeasance of the greatest magnitude if my department failed to act here
in the face of overwhelming evidence of an organized effort to circumvent the lawfully cast
outs of millions of Michigan voters in a presidential election. That was from her
statement. Michigan was one of the seven battleground states where the Trump campaign put
forward slates of fake electors as part of their plan to undermine the Electoral College
process and potentially disrupt Congress's certification of the twenty twenty election results on January six,
twenty twenty one. Yeah, because part of how I think this would
work too, is if if they could have gotten Vice President Mike Pence to
say, I reject I reject these electors from this state, and we're going
to send I'm not going to I'm not going to accept this certificate from this
state because I reject these electors. Then that gets sent back to the state,
and then the state puts up presents these new electors who are representing Trump,
and then that's you know, that was one of the ideas, apparently
one of the schemes that they were going to try to use. And then
if they could do that in enough states, that would tip the election to
Trump. There's a little more to this. The sixteen fake GOP electors from
Michigan met in Lansing on December fourteen, twenty twenty, and signed certificates falsely
proclaiming that Trump won the state and they were the rightful electors. They were
rebuffed by police when they tried to enter the state House to deliver the papers.
According to videos of the interaction, which took place while the real group
of Democratic electors were meeting inside the building. President Joe Biden defeated Trump by
a little more than one hundred and fifty four thousand votes in the twenty twenty
election in Michigan. In the view of the Trump campaign, these were quote
alternate electors who could have somehow replaced Boden's electors when Congress counted the electoral votes
on January six, twenty twenty one, handing Trump a second term again.
You know, I've been very critical of Mike Pence, but thank god he
didn't. I mean, can you imagine if he had gone for this,
because he could have, right, he could have said, oh no,
I'm rejecting these electors and we're gonna go with these other electors instead. I
mean, it would have been disastrous. You know, the Supreme Court would
have had to get involved, and I mean, God only knows how this
would have ended up. It says here. However, a wide array of
legal experts, including many inside the Trump White House and Trump campaign, thought
this plan was unconstitutional and possibly illegal. You think, why what would be
illegal about it? Just because there's all this for you know signing fraudulent documents
and making claims that are well fraudulent. Crystal says in the chat room,
all those involved in deliberately putting false electors in place to overturn an election should
be charged with insurrection, treason, etc. Oh I agree, I want
these people in prison. Nessel, a Democrat, initially referred to the matter.
Referred the matter to federal prosecutors at the Justice Department, but she reopened
the state probe in January. Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith is also actively
investigating the fake elector's plot, and some fake electors have testified to his grand
jury. Nessel said, quote, there will be those who claim these charges
are political in nature, but when there is overwhelming evidence of guilt and respect
to multiple crimes, the most political act I could engage in as a prosecutor
would be to take no action at all. Unquote. The House January sixth
committee uncovered evidence that Trump knew about the plan and that he spoke directly about
it with RNC chairwoman Rona McDaniel. By the way, Rona McDaniel, who
apparently still does not acknowledge that that Joe Biden rightfully won the twenty twenty election.
I don't know if she hangs out with the my pillow guy who told
her something. I don't know, but and Rona McDaniel is from Michigan.
She testified that Trump and his allies told her the elector's plan was important,
and that the RNC later helped the Trump campaign assemble the state the slates rather
of GOP electors. In the video released alongside the charges, Nessel once again
shot back against allegations that the twenty twenty presidential election was fraudulent, saying that
the election in her state quote was procedurally the same as in every previous modern
presidential election. This Despite this, the groundwork was laid for a plan to
send alternative slates of Trump electors to Congress in an attempt to outmaneuver and circumvent
the longstanding electoral process. Nessels said. The sixteen electors, all from Michigan,
gathered with the quote hope and belief that the electoral votes of Michigan's twenty
twenty election would be awarded to the candidate of their choosing instead of the candidate
that Michigan voters actually chose. These defendants may have believed the now long debunked
myth of vote tampering or ballot dumps. They may have felt compelled to follow
the call to action from a president they held fealty too. They may have
even genuinely believed that this was their patriotic duty. But none of those reasons
or feelings provide legal justification to violate the law and append our constitution and our
nation's traditions of representative government, self determination, and a government by the unquote.
Nessel also said that her office will continue to investigate efforts to overturn the
twenty twenty election and quote has not ruled out potential charges against additional defendants unquote.
So again, but you know, we should be very clear about this.
This was not only in Michigan. This was going on in multiple states.
This was a widespread plan. And um, there is a question about,
you know, did Trump know. Apparently it's believed that he knew about
this, um and I assume that that weighs heavily in them the investigation and
why he received that target letter. Um, Melanie says in the chat room,
so disappointing that people convinced themselves they were acting on the side of righteousness
by doing illegal acts, and Crystal says, wouldn't double the number of electors
showing up to validate vote trigger red flags from the get go for officials to
investigate further. What a stupid plan. Yeah, I mean the plan itself
is pretty far out there, right, But if they had convinced Pence,
if they had convinced Pence to go along with it, because it is interesting
to kind of think it through, what could have happened, right, So,
if they had convinced Pence to start rejecting the valid electors and saying that
he would, it probably wouldn't be as simple as just him saying, Okay,
I'm rejecting this slate of electors from this state. I don't I have
reason to believe that that's states election wasn't valid or however he would have to
do that. I don't think he could then say, but I will accept
this other slate of electors. That probably wouldn't work. And I think you're
right, Crystal, that would that would probably derail pretty quickly. But a
theory about how this could have worked had Mike Pence not done the right thing.
And I yeah, I've been critical about of him, but I do
give him credit for doing the right thing that day, thank goodness. There's
different weird theories about how this could have proceeded. I mean, one of
the one of the dumb conspiracy theories is that the vice president is handed to
envelopes and he gets to pick which envelope he wants and effectively appoint the next
president. But that's crazy. But that's like a Q and on thing with
the envelopes. But one theory goes that what Pence could have done is he
could have rejected electors from all however many states it would have taken, and
it would have been, of course the same states that had the facal electors,
right, because those are the swing states that Trump lost, and then
thus creating a constitutional crisis because Pence would be refusing to certify the election,
and then the Supreme Court would have to get involved, or it would go
to the House of Representatives because I know that if if neither candidate in the
election gets to two hundred and seventy electoral votes, then it goes to the
House and they get to vote. So if you have a Republican controlled House,
they would have just voted for Trump and then Trump would have won a
second term because Pence could have rejected electors from enough states so that neither Biden
nor Trump would be at two seventy if I have this right, and that
would send it to the House, and then the House would have to vote.
I believe that's how that works, if neither candidate gets to do seventy.
I mean, we've never seen this happen, but so that's another possibility.
That would be another way that Trump could have could have held onto the
White House. Crystal says, what happened to the original electors? These facal
electors are replaced, wouldn't they be making a loud scene? Yes? Oh
obviously, yes, yeah. It would have been quite a mess. It
would have been. It would have been a very It would have been very
messy. But the scary thing is as messy as it would have been,
doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked. That's scary. All Right, We gotta
go. We are just about out of time. Thank you all for joining
us today and everybody who called, everybody in the chat room, and Melanie
said in the chat room, I truly wish that when you read some of
my comments, someone on their car, in their car is yelling at their
radio for me to go blank myself. That would make me giggle. Maybe
someday, well, you know, we keep the windows closed for the air
conditioning, but maybe someday we'll hear someone driving by the station and yelling at
That would be funny. All right, we gotta go. Don't forget tomorrow
on the show. We have a great musical we asked for us in the
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yeah, we'll close with a little bit of eons encoded. I haven't played
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