1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:47,960 M Hey, everybody, welcome, here we go. It is that time 2 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,520 again. Matt Connerton Unleashed. We are live on this Tuesday afternoon from the 3 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:59,520 studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Downtown Manchester, 4 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,799 New hand. Although it looks like it's it must be starting to rain. 5 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,400 Yeah, it got very dark out there. I think there's a story 6 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,680 moving in. I think I probably got here just in time. But it 7 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,879 is glorious nonetheless. Here from the studios of WMNH, also on Comcast ninety 8 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:18,959 seven. If you're in Manchester, and hello to all of our online listeners 9 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,719 across the nation and around the globe. You can go to my website Matt 10 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,040 Connerton dot com for all of your live streaming options, social media links, 11 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,480 contact info, show archives, etc. Etc. Today is Tuesday, July 12 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,280 eighteen, two thousand twenty three, so nice to have you all with me. 13 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:38,239 By the way, a couple of songs I played to open the show 14 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:45,400 today. I played a web developer by the band the Jertones, or actually 15 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,879 it's a duo. I guess technically it's not really a band, right if 16 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,560 it's only two guys. The Great duo The Jertones, who are here with 17 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,560 us live in studio a few weeks ago. But I've played that song because 18 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:57,959 it popped into my head today as I was doing some some web design stuff. 19 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:02,799 I added a new chat box, an AI chat box, to Matt 20 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:07,280 Connerton dot com. And I'm excited about it. I mean, it definitely 21 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:10,400 works. I installed it correctly. Now it's just a matter of getting it 22 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,919 to learn, you know, AI. You have to teach it. It 23 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:17,000 has to learn things. It's very very interesting. I feel a lot of 24 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:23,479 pressure to keep up with all this technology. So so anyways, I thought, 25 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,520 oh, you know what, I'll play that track web developer. I 26 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:30,439 think that's appropriate by the Jeritones, really really fun band. And then we 27 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:37,879 also played something from the Parody Project YouTube channel, which Hunt. It says 28 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,840 here which Hunt is a parody of the Frank Sinatra hit Witchcraft. There you 29 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:46,680 go, so and we'll get into that in a moment. There's some some 30 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:51,680 legal news regarding the former president, actually quite a bit of it. But 31 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,599 uh six O three two five O six Z seven is a studio line six 32 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:59,240 ZO three two five six Z seven if you would like to join me today 33 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:01,560 on the program. Also you can text me at six one seven nine one 34 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,639 seven four four seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You 35 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:09,199 can email me Matt at matt Connerton dot com, or you can use the 36 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:14,520 new chat box at Matt Connerton dot com. I should see it. I 37 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,919 should see it during the show. If you choose that option. Of course, 38 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:22,680 you can interact endo Pine in the Facebook live chat and we'll sail at 39 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,599 everybody in there in a moment. But the best thing to do so that 40 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:29,240 we can hear and enjoy your dulcet tones is to give us a call at 41 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:32,599 six zo three two five zo six z seven six zo three two five zo 42 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,360 six zero seven. I should probably open the chat box on my browser in 43 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,120 case anyone does decide to send me a message during the program. I want 44 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:44,560 to make sure I can see it. But I won't respond to you in 45 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:47,000 the chat box itself. I'll respond to you on the show because I'm, 46 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:50,439 you know, in the middle of doing the show. So if you type 47 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:53,039 something to me in the chat box, I'll respond to you verbally via the 48 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,439 radio show. So that'll be uh. Ordinarily, that's not what would happen. 49 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,680 Ordinarily, you would get a response an automated response via AI in the 50 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,520 chat box. I'm pretty excited about this. I think it's gonna I hope 51 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:18,160 it works. Uh, notifications blocked by your browser. Oh, I need 52 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,120 to turn on I need to turn on my notifications if I want to actually 53 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,040 see the allow notifications in your browser. All right, Well, anyway, 54 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:31,800 I'll get a notification on my phone regardless. Anyway, if you send me 55 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:38,920 something, I'll try to notice six three two five six seven six zo three 56 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,160 two five six seven. Let's go ahead and say hello everybody in the Facebook 57 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:44,680 lap chat, and then we'll get in all this stuff. Kind of a 58 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,720 big news day. Melanie Liberty from the Great State of Vermont joins us in 59 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,879 the chat room. Hello Melanie. Also a j fed also from the Great 60 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:56,120 State of Vermont, of course, says good afternoon everyone. Jenny is in 61 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,279 the chat room and says shalom peeps. Eric Street joins us in the chat 62 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,000 Hello Erica. Eric says, I'm using my radio to listen, just like 63 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:08,560 retro spectrum. Nice sound quality, yes, of course, of course. 64 00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:13,639 Tom Blanchard says, oh good, we're finally getting some rain. Yes, 65 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,399 I know, it's it's been so dry lately. Yeah, it's been. 66 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:21,560 I'll tell you what. Well, you know, we have had We have 67 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:26,959 had stretches this summer of no rain. We have had long stretches of just 68 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,199 hot, dry weather. But then when we do get the rain. We 69 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,680 had a whole lot of rain in a very short period of time, and 70 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:38,600 then we get the flash flooding and whatnot. And it seems like lately there's 71 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:43,480 been quite a few instances, although I don't know if I didn't see anything 72 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,839 about a flash flood warning this afternoon, but the wind is picking up out 73 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:51,079 there, and I do believe it's going to uh it might storm somewhat. 74 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:58,160 So I'm glad that I got here before the rain began. We should get 75 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:01,319 into some stuff, what do you think. Yes, today was a big 76 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:10,199 day in legal news for the former president Donald John Trump, both good and 77 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:14,680 bad news. The bad news, of course, being that he got a 78 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,040 received a target letter, and we'll talk about what that is regarding the January 79 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,240 sixth investigation, which is a little bit of a misnomer, but we'll talk 80 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,560 about that also. That's the bad news. The good news is he got 81 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:30,160 a target letter about the January six investigation. Now why do I say that? 82 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,399 How is that good news. Well, Trump is in a unique position 83 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:42,839 in that as these indictments sort of stack up and as the legal peril that 84 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:46,079 he finds himself in begins to grow. Obviously, that's pretty stressful, I 85 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:49,120 would imagine. I mean, I've never even been arrested, so I don't 86 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:55,120 know what it's like to be indicted for things and being charged with things. 87 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:01,160 I don't know how that all goes, But I do know this. Trump 88 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:04,759 is in a unique position where as these things happen, it is an incredible 89 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,800 fundraising opportunity for him. Granted that money ends up being, you know, 90 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,920 just paid to his legal team, assuming he remembers to pay them, which 91 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:18,839 has been a bit of an issue in the past. He doesn't always pay 92 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,839 people. Rudy Giuliani apparently never got paid, which is why he may very 93 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:28,519 well have flipped on his former boss. But we'll leave that aside for the 94 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,439 moment. But yeah, I mean, it's it's it's good news politically for 95 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,639 Trump. Of course, we always find out about these things from him. 96 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:42,519 For example, if you think back to when the search happened at mar Lago 97 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,360 for the secret documents, how did we learn about that? Initially? He 98 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:50,439 posted on truth social what was going on. You know, the FBI tried 99 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,600 to keep it relatively low key, so we might not have known about it. 100 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:56,600 I mean, we would have found out about it, but we wouldn't 101 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,079 have necessarily found out about it as quickly as we did had it not been 102 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,160 for Trump posting about it and bringing it to our attention. But of course 103 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,680 there is a business motive for doing that. The next day, he raised 104 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:15,439 a ton of money. Every time there's a new legal problem for Trump, 105 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:20,120 he raises a tremendous amount of money. It's really remarkable. And of course, 106 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:22,199 the you know, the fundraising emails go out in a timely fashion, 107 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,920 and so he's got quite an operation going there. So this is good news 108 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,879 for him in that sense. Every time something bad happens legally, like a 109 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:37,879 target letter, And if you get a target letter, it usually means you're 110 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:43,519 definitely, almost definitely about to be indicted. They don't send those just to 111 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,519 be nice and give you a heads up and say, hey, buddy, 112 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:48,600 just want you to know we're kind of looking into some stuff, No, 113 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:54,320 they they that's usually a precursor to an indictment almost always, from what I 114 00:08:54,440 --> 00:09:00,519 understand. Again, I've never I've never been in that situation, or as 115 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:05,679 as tiny D might say, of course, Governor Ronda Santis, don't blame 116 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,639 me for calling him tiny D. That's one of Trump's nicknames for him, 117 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,200 and that's the one that's my favorite, as well as as tiny D once 118 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,200 said, I don't know what goes into paying off a porn star anyway. 119 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,879 So with each bad thing that happens, it has this effect of it. 120 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:28,080 I mean, I think he's going to be the Republican nominee anyway. I'd 121 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,480 say it's probably a ninety eight percent chance, right, But with each bad 122 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,559 thing that happens, it further cements that he will definitely be the nominee. 123 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,240 Because the modern Republican Party is become such a cult of personality revolving around Trump, 124 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,080 this only further solidifies him with the base. Every bad thing that happens, 125 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:50,840 he says, they're not after me, they're after us, They're after 126 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,600 all of us. And and his basse eats it up, and you know, 127 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,320 they give him more money. It's it's a nice work if you can 128 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:07,519 get it. So all of the legal problems they further cement the likelihood that 129 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,159 he will be the nominee. Yeah, absolutely, will be. I'm quite 130 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,399 certain of it. But while it makes him a stronger and stronger potential nominee 131 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,279 for the Republican nomination for the presidency, it also makes him a worse and 132 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:28,919 worse general election candidate. I don't think that in a general election when you're 133 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:35,679 trying to court independence or swing voters who maybe are not necessarily independence, but 134 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:39,759 they don't always vote with their party when you're trying to or maybe even when 135 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:48,799 you're trying to court moderate suburban Republicans who maybe aren't so into you. You 136 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:56,240 in this case being Donald Trump, having multiple criminal indictments might not be quite 137 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,399 so helpful. So again, while it does help him in terms of getting 138 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,159 the nomination and further assures that he will be the nominee, it will hurt 139 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:11,320 him in the general election. I mean, it is it's a fascinating time 140 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:18,039 to be alive, to say the least. I never in my life would 141 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:24,679 have imagined that we would be talking about someone who is on their way to 142 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,600 being a general election candidate. I mean this time next year, you know, 143 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,120 they'll they'll be having the Republican convention where he's accepting the nomination, and 144 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,200 they'll go crazy for him. And there will be a lot of enthusiasm as 145 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,159 he has multiple criminal indictments, so who knows if any of them will go 146 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:50,799 to trial before then. But I mean to say we are living through an 147 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:56,960 unprecedented time is an understatement. I mean, we've never seen anything like this. 148 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,840 I mean, it's it's a neat trick that he's pulled. You know, 149 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,200 hey, credit, where do I mean? If you're a long time 150 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:07,720 listener or perhaps even a newer listener, you've kind of got an idea of 151 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,360 how I feel about him. But I will say this, he in terms 152 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:18,080 of marketing and branding himself, bravo. I don't know who else could have 153 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,279 maneuvered himself into a position, but it happened very early on. Right, 154 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,240 he was able to establish this very early on. Remember when he said it's 155 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,039 it's it's become such a famous quote. Infamous, although I think at this 156 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,840 point you can say a famous quote back in during the twenty sixteen campaign when 157 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,720 he said I could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose 158 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:46,120 a single supporter. That was at the time, you know, figuratively speaking, 159 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,919 that actually seemed pretty solid, right, you know, I mean, 160 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,200 my god, he could call he could say John McCain wasn't a war hero 161 00:12:54,399 --> 00:13:00,600 because he got captured, and you know, people thought, oh my goodness, 162 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:01,480 this is going to be the end of him. And it turned out 163 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:07,559 no, all of a sudden, most of the Republican Party just said, 164 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,159 oh, okay, I guess we hate John McCain now. And instead of 165 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:16,399 turning against him over that comment, next thing I know, I see all 166 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,960 these Republicans on Fox News talking about how much they despised John McCain and what 167 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,240 a horrible person John McCain was, just because because of what Trump said about 168 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,600 him. So I knew very early on, and I think that was before 169 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,720 that was probably what led Trump to making that comment about I could shoot somebody 170 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,559 in the middle of Fifth Avenue if you could say that about the revered and 171 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:41,320 respected John McCain. And just by you saying something terrible about John McCain, 172 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,519 all of a sudden, a large swath of the Republican Party decides, oh, 173 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,159 yeah, actually we hate John McCain too. Overnight, I mean literally 174 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,360 overnight. It was incredible. I'd never seen anything like that. So I 175 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:01,320 knew very early on he had he had managed to establish just at psychological hold 176 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:09,440 over a very large part of the party. So so when he said he 177 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,080 could shoot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any support, 178 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,600 he was right. But I think he was more right than people, probably 179 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:22,480 even he realized. You know, at the time, I said, yeah, 180 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:28,120 figuratively speaking, that's true. Hyperbolically now today, looking back at that 181 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:33,879 moment, I would say, that's literally true. He could shoot somebody in 182 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:39,320 the middle of Fifth Avenue, and you know, most MAGA people would say, 183 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:41,759 well, you know, whoever he shot him, I'm sure they deserved 184 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:48,120 it. So so he's in a very unique position. I never would have 185 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:54,759 imagined that in American politics we would see anything like this where someone keeps getting 186 00:14:54,799 --> 00:15:00,559 indicted for things and it actually helps them. His support among Republicans goes up 187 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:03,240 in the polls, and he raises more and more money. It's it's really 188 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,840 astonishing. I just never would have imagined we would see a phenomenon like this 189 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,320 in American politics. Again, I think it makes him a worse general election 190 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:20,000 candidate. I would think people generally aren't excited necessarily about voting for someone with 191 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:26,799 multiple criminal indictments. But the way it helps him consolidate support among Republicans is 192 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,279 really really stunning to me. So well, we'll get into some of the 193 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,440 details about what happened today in a moment, but I do see some new 194 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,000 entrance into the Facebook live chat. Let's see. Isaac Banks joins us, 195 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:46,399 of course from Greensboro, North Carolina, says good morning, hashtag Matt Connerton. 196 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,120 Today is my birthday. Well, happy birthday to you. It is 197 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,440 afternoon and you are in North Carolina, so I believe you're in the same 198 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:56,519 time zone. But good afternoon you, Isaac Banks. Isaac Banks says, 199 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:00,759 I'm age forty three years old. Hashtag at well very nice, very nice. 200 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,000 I saw a coffee mug once I think it said on at age it 201 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,039 said life begins at forty three, which I thought was unusually specific. Jenny 202 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,960 says, Happy birthday, Cristel. Of course, our friend from the great 203 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:21,200 state of Illinois joins us. Melanie says, is that your all time record 204 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:29,159 for being alive? Nice job? Yes? Uh, let's see. Crystal 205 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,720 says happy birthday. Alex Whiteley, one of our friends from the UK, 206 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:41,600 joins us and says evening folks, Happy birthday, Isaac Banks. Let's see. 207 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:47,200 Isaac Banks says, I was born July eighteenth, nineteen eighty. All 208 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,879 right, very good, six three two five six seven. The studio line 209 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:59,600 is open if you'd like to join us six two five six seven. But 210 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:07,559 we'll get into um, we'll get into what's happening today with this target letter. 211 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:12,279 There's really two big bits of legal news for Trump. One is the 212 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:19,799 target letter and the other is Judge Eileen Cannon today is supposed to be ruling 213 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:26,519 on something regarding the schedule for his secret Documents case. It looks like our 214 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,680 friend, our friend Ron is on the line. Hi, Ron, Hey, 215 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:33,920 Matt, how are you doing, buddy good? How are you great? 216 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,039 Great? Great? Hey, Thanks thanks again for working with my sister 217 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,240 in law the other day. You know, we didn't get we didn't reach 218 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:44,799 what we the goal that we wanted to, but it doesn't mean that it 219 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,640 was unsuccessful. Ah, So just kudos on that. Thanks for delivering. 220 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,680 Oh of course, I'm very glad that. I'm very glad that you reached 221 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,119 out to me. Oh yeah, yeah, I would have yesterday, but 222 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:00,559 I don't know what if I fell asleep early or whatever. He's meant too. 223 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,039 Yeah, yeah, but no, no, no, I mean I 224 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,119 mean thank you for thank you for reaching out to me to do a session 225 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,680 with your sister in law. Yeah, definitely, I definitely definitely. You 226 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:14,000 know, you responded quickly, and I thought that was awesome. O. 227 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,119 Well, glad to do it, all right, my friend, Hey go, 228 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,960 I'm buying me megabuck ticket the top buck or a billion bucks? A 229 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,640 billion? Is that what you said? A billion with a B. Yeah, 230 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,640 it was to be. I just bought two of them. And if 231 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,640 I win, you guys are all get a new furniture in that studio. 232 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:37,160 Well, we are going to be moving to a different studio, so I'd 233 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,759 hold off on that. I'd see what we need at the new place. 234 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,359 But uh, but so I'll let you go in. I just wanted to 235 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,359 say, hide a melanie out you. Oh very good? Well all right, 236 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:49,559 Ron, okay, Bud, all right, my friend, bye bye 237 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:52,559 bye. All right. That was our friend Ron. Yes, I did 238 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:57,279 a hypnotherapy session over the weekend with his sister in law. So who is 239 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,440 who is lovely? By the way, I enjoyed meeting her virtually. We 240 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:08,160 did this online but six three two five six seven six three two five six 241 00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:12,240 z seven if you'd like to join us today, so um CNN dot com 242 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,920 has this actually let me refresh it in case there's some new information. The 243 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:22,279 latest on the Special Council's probe into the into Trump in twenty twenty election aftermath. 244 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:26,839 Um oh, Melanie says, uh, why hello, Ron, keep 245 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:33,079 those thoughts clean? Oh my goodness. Um. Scott Robinson joins us in 246 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:37,039 the Facebook live chat and says Trump doesn't get target letters. He gets target 247 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:44,160 letters. I don't get it. Um, feel free to clarify that, 248 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,880 Scott. I think there's a joke in there, but it's lost on me. 249 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,200 We have a call. Let's see who's on the line. I think 250 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,640 I might know who this is. Hi, Welcome to Matt Connerton unleashed. 251 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,680 Who's this? Hello, Matt? So this is Ye Robinson. Oh, 252 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:06,880 the great Jerry Robinson. We love us some Jerry Robinson around here. How 253 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,839 are you, sir? I really appreciate that match. So listen, I 254 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,519 just wanted to say that I've been punting into your show, really really love 255 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,079 exactly what it is you've been doing. You've been bringing up very very very 256 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,720 good topics that make me think, and of course me as a seventy six 257 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:26,920 year old man, um, I do need to think more to keep my 258 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:32,319 brain shop. Yes, very important. And take Ginko Beloba I'm told works 259 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,839 well for brain health. What what was it called? Ginko beloba? Not 260 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,559 to be confused with what Shaggy says during that song. I can't remember the 261 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,440 name of it. Yes, Ginko bloba. Oh, excellent, that'd be 262 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:52,599 great. Um, So listen, you know things, I just wanted to 263 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,599 let you know personally things. I'm going very good with the album. I've 264 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,279 got all your files with setting up studio D now getting my mix to get 265 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,680 all the music ready. And then of course I know I've told you, 266 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,799 but I want to tell everyone that we're gonna have a live performance. It's 267 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:12,039 going to be a private, private, live performance, of course, and 268 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,440 we're going to record it and put out not only the album of albums, 269 00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:22,839 but also a live album as well. Oh, I can't wait. That 270 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,279 will be amazing, right, it can be fantastic, Matt. So I'm 271 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:30,359 really excited. But you know, I just wanted to call in to see 272 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,720 how you're doing. I haven't I haven't heard anything from Billy. I hope 273 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:37,960 he's doing okay and a patronicorn. But I hope you have a great rest 274 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:45,240 of your day. All the best, Jerry nice Jerry bye bye. All 275 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,920 right. That's our friend Jerry Robinson of course from the band, uh, 276 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,880 Jerry Robinson and the Scumbags. And of course I am credited as the bass 277 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,920 player on that hit single I'm the Man, Yes, Matts, that's me. 278 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:02,480 H wow, I'm really it's it's wonderful to get to work with Jerry. 279 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,960 A true, a true talent, and uh, you know, I 280 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:08,720 mean he's an older guy, but I think he's uh, look, I'm 281 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:11,480 just gonna say this. I think his best days are ahead of him. 282 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,119 I think he's got enormous potential. I think that in terms of not only 283 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:22,680 not only do I think he's going to be very famous with the music, 284 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,880 but I think he's the next Howard Stern. I think he's the next rated 285 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,720 art comedy star. And he has the seal of approval from my father. 286 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,160 You know, my dad called in the other day and talked about how much 287 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,880 he loves Jerry Robinson. I think we all love Jerry Robinson. I know 288 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,640 one person who's not fond of him, but we don't care about him. 289 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,960 We don't even talk about that guy. But no, Jerry Robinson truly remarkable, 290 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:49,400 truly remarkable by the way, I opened my show yesterday with the song 291 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:56,759 suzi Q by Creed Hims, which was a little inside but hopefully Jerry heard 292 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:00,480 that. Oh, Scott Robinson clarified the joke. Tarja, he doesn't get 293 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:03,359 target letters. He gets targ letters. I guess because he's a fancy you 294 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:12,039 know, because he's a billionaire. M oj Fed says, Happy birthday, 295 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,319 Isaac Banks. It's been your birthday for a month. Is that true? 296 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:21,440 Wow? All right six three two five six seven six zo three two five 297 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,119 O six O seven. If you'd like to join us today, Isaac Banks 298 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,759 says, how is your dad? Hashtag Matt Connerton. He's good. He's 299 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:33,200 good far as far as I know. UM. So here's the latest on 300 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:36,799 this. By the way, So when we talk about the thing that I 301 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,880 wanted to clarify again, it often gets when we're talking about these various cases, 302 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:48,440 the various legal issues that the former president is dealing with, um sometimes 303 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:56,839 in shorthand we refer to the January sixth investigation, which is really more about 304 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:04,920 um uh, not about January sixth specifically, but seems to be from what 305 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:11,119 we know about obstruction is what's really being investigated there. Did the former president 306 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,680 try to obstruct Congress because you know, Congress of course has to certify the 307 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:26,640 election. Did they Did Trump obstruct Congress from from doing their job the legislative 308 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,200 branch. Did the executive branch obstruct the legislative branch would be another way of 309 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,640 thinking about it, from doing their job certifying the election. Oh, here's 310 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,119 the rain. I just heard thunder and it is ranting out. Um, 311 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:52,039 so here's the latest on this. Let's look at this. Oh, actually, 312 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:57,160 well, we've got a couple of things here, Okay. Former President 313 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:03,400 Donald Trump said today in a social media post that he's been informed by Special 314 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,440 Counsel Jack Smith that he is the target of the criminal investigation into efforts to 315 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:12,119 overturn the twenty twenty election leading up to the January six, twenty twenty one 316 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:18,039 attack on the Capitol. Smith has declined to comment on the letter. A 317 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,599 target letter from federal prosecutors to Trump makes clear they are focused on Trump's actions 318 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,480 in the probe, and not just of those around him who tried to stop 319 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,559 his election loss. The move is a sign Trump may be charged again, 320 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:34,240 and by the way, it is most likely these letters do not go out 321 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:41,039 unless they are planning to indict Also, I learned something today that I didn't 322 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,920 realize. I didn't know. I mean, I kind of had an idea 323 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,240 about this, but I didn't know the statistic is as high as it is, 324 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,160 more than ninety percent when the Department of Justice brings a case like this, 325 00:25:53,680 --> 00:26:00,160 More than ninety percent of these federal cases that are brought our actual they 326 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:07,680 never go to trial. They result in plea deals where the defendant tries to 327 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:15,160 plead out, the reason being they you know, if they do go to 328 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:22,400 trial, the government almost always wins. So but what it also means is 329 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,279 they don't charge unless they think they can win. You know, there is 330 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:33,400 such a thing as prosecutorial discretion. Prosecutor just because someone is caught doing something 331 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,200 illegal and maybe they're maybe they're charged with it, even if it's something very 332 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,680 serious. If a prosecutor at any level, I don't just mean that the 333 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,359 DOJ at any level, could be the local prosecutor in your city, could 334 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,440 be anybody. If a prosecutor doesn't think they can win, they can say, 335 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,119 well, we're not going to go forward with this case because we don't 336 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,440 think we can win, or we're not sure that we can win. You 337 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,599 know, depends on whether or not the prosecutor wants to take the risk. 338 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,720 You know, they might again, it all depends on the situation and who's 339 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,880 who the prosecutor is, perhaps who the defendant is. You know, they 340 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,920 might say, they might say, we think we can win, so this 341 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,039 is worth prosecuting. They might say it's a long shot, but no one 342 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,720 is above the law. So even though we think we might very well lose, 343 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,039 we're going to go through with this. Or they might say, we're 344 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,720 sure that this defendant is guilty and this is a serious crime, but we 345 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,440 are not confident that we have enough evidence to convict, so we're going to 346 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:44,000 pass. They have the discretion to do that, prosecutorial discretion. But apparently, 347 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,200 from what I understand from what I've been learning, when the Department of 348 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:55,160 Justice charges you, they don't do it unless they really are convinced that they 349 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:02,599 can win. And that is why more than nine of these cases, these 350 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,799 federal cases end in a plea deal, more than nine. Now, I'm 351 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:15,119 not suggesting that I think Trump will try to do that. He may not 352 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:22,359 want to do that because it might conflict with his brand, so to speak, 353 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,599 because he's always talking about well, I'm a fighter, and I'm fighting 354 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,759 for you and we're all in this together, and whatnot. When you take 355 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:36,119 a plea deal, that's an admission of guilt in a sense. Now, 356 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:38,720 if he does take that option, which I don't think that he will, 357 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:42,839 but he could. If he does take that option, takes a plea deal, 358 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,720 his attorneys might try to convince him that it would be the smart thing 359 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,880 to do. He will just spin it as well. Look, I had 360 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,920 to. They're trying to put me in prison, and I need to be 361 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,599 president again, and I need to do it for all of you again. 362 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,960 You know, he's very good about doing the inclusion that you know, we're 363 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,319 all in this together. They're not just after me, They're after all of 364 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,519 us. And I can't fight for you if I'm in prison. So I 365 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:10,400 had to take that plea deal. I remember when Trump was pleading, when 366 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:18,839 he started pleading the fifth in a deposition that what was on I can't even 367 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,240 it's so much to keep track of. I don't even remember which case it 368 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,279 was now, but there was a deposition for a civil case I think it 369 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,960 had to be. That was on YouTube, and you know, he pled 370 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:36,200 the fifth a lot. Now, Trump famously had previously said anyone who pleads 371 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:37,920 the fifth, obviously they're guilty. That was, you know, Trump's own 372 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,880 words, if you plead the fifth, it means you have something to hide, 373 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,960 is what he had said. Once he was in a position where he 374 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:49,000 felt he had to plead the fifth and did so over and over again during 375 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:56,920 that specific deposition. He just spun it as Look, now I understand. 376 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:02,680 Now I understand what lengths the government will go to to get me. Now 377 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,240 I understand why, because the government is so unfair. Now I understand why 378 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,160 people do it. I didn't realize it before until I was the one in 379 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,880 the crosshairs. Now I get it. See it's easy for him to do 380 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,799 that. And you know, and the base that supports him will support him 381 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,559 no matter what. So you know, he can tell them whatever he wants 382 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,519 to tell them. Crystal says in the chat, fancy letters? Are they 383 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,839 engraved on gold bars with diamonds embedded in for extra sparkle? So he pays 384 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,640 attention to it? I doubt it, I mean I don't I does Trump 385 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,640 even read these target letters? I mean his lures too, obviously, But 386 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,960 so a little bit more here again, this is from CNN. A target 387 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,359 letter from federal prosecutors to Trump made it clear that they are focused on his 388 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:55,440 actions in this probe and not just of those around him. The move. 389 00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,240 The move is a sign that he may soon be charged again. Trump slammed 390 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,200 being a target in the probe today, and the former president said it quote 391 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:11,559 almost always means unquote an indictment and arrest is coming next. If that sounds 392 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,920 familiar. By the way, remember when he was arrested before, when he 393 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:23,279 was arrested, was it for the Georgia case. See, I'm having a 394 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,519 hard time keeping track of it all. Anyway, before, when he thought 395 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,640 he was being arrested, he announced it ahead of time. He said, 396 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,319 I'm going to be arrested. Now he announced it about a week before it 397 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,279 actually happened. I remember he said, I'm going to be arrested on Tuesday, 398 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:40,599 And then Tuesday came and went and he didn't get arrested. But then 399 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,400 I think the following week he was arrested. I mean he went and surrendered. 400 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,200 You know, they didn't. It's not like the Feds showed up at 401 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:52,079 Marlago and put him in cuffs. It says here Trump has already been indicted 402 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,599 twice this year, in a New York cush money case and in Jack Smith's 403 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:01,559 probe and the Trump's smithshandling of classified comments. In a hearing today, the 404 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,759 judge overseeing the documents case told prosecutors at a mid December trial date would be 405 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:15,799 too soon. So that is the other big piece of legal news for Trump 406 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,799 today. Judge Eileen Cannon, who's you know, been under a bit of 407 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:27,480 a microscope because she got slapped down pretty hard for previously kind of putting the 408 00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:32,880 thumb on the scale for Trump. She has a Trump appointee and the other 409 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:43,279 judges on her on the circuit there they they reprimanded her for I don't remember 410 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,240 the specific details of what the ruling was now, but we might come back 411 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,680 to that or it might reference at here. But this just happened. This 412 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:55,519 was updated nineteen minutes ago, So this just happened because today was the first 413 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,799 actual hearing in that case. Judge signals she is likely to push back trial 414 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:07,240 in Trump classified documents case past mid December. Judge Eileen Cannon signal she is 415 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,200 likely to push back the start of the trial beyond the mid December date proposed 416 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,440 by federal prosecutors, but appeared deeply skeptical skeptical of arguments from former President Donald 417 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,559 Trump's lawyers that he can't get a fair trial while running for president. During 418 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,359 a hearing in federal court in Fort Pierce, Florida, Cannon said a proposal 419 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:32,680 from federal prosecutors that the trial of Trump and his aid that's Walt Nada, 420 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,640 his codefendant, beheld in mid December, was a bit rushed. She told 421 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:44,160 prosecutors that their timeline was compressed and said that cases like this take more time. 422 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,720 Cannon did not decide on a trial date, but said she plans to 423 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:53,319 promptly issue an order on the matter. The judge also pressed the Trump legal 424 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,720 team to commit to a timeline for at least some of the steps in the 425 00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:01,920 pre trial process that it's attorney's told Cannon they believed they would be able to 426 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,039 review enough discovery by November to be able to suggest a potential trial date. 427 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:12,079 Oh hello to I'm Mike from Queen City Cabinetry, who joins us in the 428 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,239 Facebook live chat. Queen City Cabinetry one of our great sponsors here at WMH, 429 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,039 and of course Mike one of our co hosts Friday nights on Retrospectrum Radio 430 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:29,199 Now just to remind everyone. Of course, Trump's team they're gonna want to 431 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,679 drag this out as long as they can because the theory is well, Listen, 432 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:38,280 in a perfect world for Trump, all of this, all of these 433 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:47,039 various trials get pushed off and delayed, and if they get delayed long enough, 434 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,840 the best case scenario for Trump, and this is probably a long shot, 435 00:34:52,360 --> 00:35:00,320 but it's not impossible, and it's not even implausible, if things get 436 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:07,280 delayed and delayed and delayed long enough, and he can win election or re 437 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,280 election because he's not the incumbent, but he has already served one term. 438 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,800 If he can get back into the White House, a lot of this goes 439 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,320 away. He can pardon himself. He can tell the Department of Justice dropped 440 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,760 these cases against me. Now, that won't work for everything, that won't 441 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,559 work for the Georgia case, and that won't work for Alvin Bragg's case in 442 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,360 New York, but it will work for the federal cases. He can pardon 443 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,280 himself in theory never been tested. There is some legal legal disagreement over that 444 00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,880 whether a president has a power, the executive power to parton himself or not. 445 00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:54,119 But he can make these cases go away, These federal cases and probably 446 00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:01,960 delay everything else until after his presidency. So that's his best case scenario. 447 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,400 You know, keep delaying and delaying and delaying until he gets there. Now 448 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,159 again, you know, he will be the nominee. I'm certain of that 449 00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,679 no matter what. But I do think it'll be very difficult for him to 450 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:22,920 you know, unless Biden just really face plants, which could happen, which 451 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:27,079 is not outside the realm of possibility, and we might talk about there's also 452 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,199 another pathway for Trump, which will probably talk about in the second hour, 453 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,519 because we have not discussed and we don't have a musical guest today. Tomorrow 454 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,079 we have Wired for Sound on the show, which I'm really looking forward to. 455 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,039 I've been hearing a lot about that band. But in the second half 456 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,559 of the show today, I do want to look at this organization No Labels, 457 00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,599 which we've been hearing a lot about. Independent but funded by people with 458 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,840 a lot of money. This is not a grassroots organization by any stretch. 459 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,079 But they could play a spoiler and they could siphon enough votes from Biden to 460 00:36:55,159 --> 00:37:00,400 throw the election to Trump. Trump could very well and it'll it'll be a 461 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,599 close election no matter what. We don't have landslides anymore. We only have 462 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,639 close elections when it comes to the presidency. If you think about it, 463 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,280 Republicans vote for the Republican, Democrats vote for the Democrat. Elections are won 464 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:21,400 based on independence and swing voters, so you know it'll be close. It 465 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:28,159 is not outside the realm of possibility that that Trump could be could be elected 466 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:34,920 in twenty twenty four, and you know a lot of this goes away if 467 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,880 that happens. So they're going to be trying to delay and delay and delay. 468 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:47,880 And then there's also the arguments and the agonizing over can you try a 469 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:53,800 presidential candidate? Not? Can you? Legally there's legal questions about and apparently 470 00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:00,360 it is Department of Justice policy. You do not indict and try a sitting 471 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:06,400 president, but can you try a candidate for the presidency, because there's a 472 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:12,119 lot of discussion and hand ringing about well, how close to an election is 473 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,920 too close to have a trial? Now my position personally, and I'm not 474 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:19,639 just regardless of what anyone wants to think or accuse me of. I'm not 475 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,280 just saying this because it's Trump. I would say this about anybody. I 476 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:29,000 do not believe that the criminal justice system at any level, in any instance, 477 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,800 should be making decisions about whether or not to try somebody or when to 478 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,679 try somebody based on their candidacy for elected office. I do not think that 479 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:45,280 should factor into it, just as I say, in a broad sense. 480 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,960 And to me, it's not a platitude, as I know someone likes to 481 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,159 tell me, I mean it when I say it that no one is above 482 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:59,440 the law. If you start saying start making arguments about, well, you 483 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,519 know, if someone's running for elected office and it's too close to the too 484 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:06,880 close to the election, that it's not really fair to put them on trial 485 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,320 for something. Well if that's what If that's your argument, Oh, well, 486 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,639 you know it's only four months to the election, so this person can't 487 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:20,360 be tried, then you're you're putting them above the law. We live in 488 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,400 a country where people argue all the time, or people complain all the time, 489 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:30,480 correctly in most cases, about politicians and how they're not honest and how 490 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:32,960 very often they're corrupt and they get away with all manner of things. And 491 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,239 yet people will say that and then in the next breath say, well, 492 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,920 I don't know if it's appropriate to try a particular candidate. If they're running 493 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,440 for a particular office, you should at least have the election first, because 494 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:52,119 you know, what if what if the trial somehow influences the election? I 495 00:39:52,320 --> 00:40:00,119 say, well, what if it does? So what So what if you 496 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:07,400 are going to argue that you can't try someone who is a candidate for office 497 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,599 because that might somehow influence the election, Then you're putting your thumb on the 498 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,159 scale in favor. The criminal justice system is putting its thumb on the scale 499 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:21,039 in favor of that candidate and saying they are above the law. They're running 500 00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,320 for office. I mean, to me, it's it's absurd that you would 501 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:29,519 do that. So I get I mean, I get very frustrated when I 502 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,559 hear this stuff again. Not I'm not just talking about this, by the 503 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:37,400 way, I'm not just talking about Trump. These these arguments and these considerations 504 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,800 go on at other levels of government, you know, UH candidates running for 505 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,320 you know, I'm trying to think of a specific example. I think it's 506 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,159 probably happened at least once in Illinois, because Illinois they have history of corrupt 507 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:57,119 governors. Or Oh, here's here's an example. Ken Paxton, the U 508 00:40:57,519 --> 00:41:01,000 I think now he's the former UH state attorney general in the state of Texas. 509 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:09,159 You know, he was under indictment while running for office, but they 510 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,000 wouldn't go ahead and try him for anything because they said, well, in 511 00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:19,199 Texas, they said, we can't actually go forward with a trial while he's 512 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,920 running for attorney general. Whi's his ironic in and of itself, that's the 513 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,119 office he's running for, the top law enforcement official in the state of Texas. 514 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,920 We can't try him for that. He's a candidate. What if it 515 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:37,920 influences the election? Well again, what if it does. So what we're 516 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,840 supposed to show him, which is what happened or they And I'm not in 517 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,840 Texas. They in Texas, they felt they had to show him extra deference 518 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,679 because he was a candidate. So we can indict him, but we can't 519 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:58,719 actually try him. By the way, though, Ken Paxson is an example 520 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:04,800 of how, yes, you can be under indictment and still win and uh 521 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:08,599 office. You know, there's there's no there's no laws against that. It's 522 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:15,559 it's fascinating. We have laws that say if you're a convicted felon, you 523 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:21,840 can't vote. Um, there's no law that says if you're a convicted felon 524 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,440 you can't hold public office. And Mike Doyle's on the line. Hello, 525 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,719 hey man, hey, um hey um. I was just waiting for some 526 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,039 Chinese food here for my wife's birthday, and I was listening to you. 527 00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:42,639 I was saying to myself, humanitarian wise, what do you think it is 528 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,920 that makes people want to put a guy like Donald Trump in jail for a 529 00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:50,920 hundred years. You know, a guy who has a family, a guy 530 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,480 who did a very narcissistic, very There's a lot of bad to him, 531 00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,400 a lot of negative. Um uh, the traits I guess you would call 532 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:05,840 him. But but but three years ago as a president, had this country 533 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,840 humming before the pandemic, right, I mean just humming, low gyas, 534 00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:19,119 low inflation, low unemployment, middle East peace troops, raises on and on 535 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,519 and on, the largest tax cut in history. You just keep going on 536 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,559 and on. This country was humming, and he tried to do the best 537 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,000 he could for the country. It doesn't matter that and people hate him so 538 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,440 much that they think about it they want to put him in jail for one 539 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:37,159 hundred years over a box of documents. Now, now I know you're gonna 540 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:43,000 say this is not what about is m But you've got you've got strewn boxes 541 00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,280 of tox sepid documents all over the Biden House, by an office, Biden 542 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,239 library, and he has no legal basis to have those. He's never as 543 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,199 president. He was vice president and a senator. Ok. Ahead, did 544 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,559 you want to say something? Yeah? So, um, something right wing 545 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,119 media has taken and twisted is um. And I think this is what you're 546 00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,559 referring to. I mean, yeah, so obviously a classified document in his 547 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:13,159 garage is inappropriate and whatnot. But um, as a senator, he donated 548 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,000 quite a few boxes. Trump brings it up all the time, something like 549 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:22,199 thousands of documents that he donated to a library as a senator, which was 550 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:28,719 perfectly legal and appropriate to do and nothing top secret about it. But what 551 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,679 right wing media consistently does is they take that and they pretend it's something completely 552 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,480 different, and then it just gets repeated and repeated and repeated. Well, 553 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:43,920 no, but people do that. People Obama did it. Clinton did they 554 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,239 all? They all, when they have a library named after him, they 555 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:52,199 all give them documents of things that aren't type secret. They didn't, they 556 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:57,960 didn't donate top secret documents to a library in University of Delaware, Right they 557 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,280 could send documents of him meeting certain PEP stuff that isn't top secret, right, 558 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,960 I'm just I'm just documents in his garge sitting on a garage floor. 559 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:10,840 Well, I don't I don't think it was a box. I thought it 560 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,639 was a document. But regardless, that's in a country it was. But 561 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,920 the reason the picture and they home in on it. But I wanted to 562 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480 clarify. But I wanted to clarify what you were saying, Mike, because 563 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:28,639 and for sorry if I misunderstood, but it sounded like you were going into 564 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,559 that talking point that I keep hearing in right wing media that is not correct. 565 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:35,800 So I wanted to clarify that for the listeners. And if that's not 566 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,119 what you were doing, it sounded like that's what you were trying to do. 567 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,400 So I wanted to just clarify that. But if that's not what you're 568 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,800 trying to do, I apologize. Do you want to see? Do you 569 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,360 want to see after Joe Biden's done in office? The same theory happened that 570 00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:51,920 all of a sudden, they say, well he did have top secret domes, 571 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,159 let's put him away for a hundred years. Mike, I would be 572 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:59,320 all Mike, Mike. If after Joe Biden leaves office, if he's caught 573 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,199 with top secret documents that he's refusing to give back after being asked multiple times 574 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,639 by the government, and he's caught with nuclear secrets, dude, I will 575 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,480 be the first one to say, throw his ass in prison. Are you 576 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,360 kidding me? I will be the first one to say it. Absolutely, 577 00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:24,280 absolutely, one hundred percent. I don't The Left has gone too far. 578 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,760 They just keep they want nothing to do with this man. They're gonna ruin 579 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,639 his life. They're gonna put him in jail. He tried to do the 580 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,960 best he could for this country. He did get caught up and things he 581 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,400 shouldn't have said. January sixth was stupid. He thought he really thought the 582 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:45,519 election was stolen from him. Probably shouldn't done things he did, all right, 583 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,639 you know what I mean. But then you're gonna have Donald Trump and 584 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,320 jail for one hundred years, which is basically his lifetime. You're gonna have 585 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,519 Joe Biden possibly in jail. It's going to start a whole new precedent that 586 00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,280 we good of fact, good account of ability. Oh, it's gonna start 587 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:06,400 a whole new precedent, good that's good. I don't care who it is. 588 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,679 I don't care what they do for the country. If they engage in 589 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:14,440 criminal activity and they get caught after they've been president and they're old, and 590 00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:16,639 then they're gonna be in prison. Good. I don't care who it is. 591 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,599 I don't care if it's Trump. I don't care if it's Biden. 592 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,760 Well, I don't care who it is. But that's not that's not true 593 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,440 because go back to the list. Clinton had tapes in his suck draw that 594 00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:31,880 he didn't give over. When when Hillary Clinton had her had her subpoena her 595 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,239 laptop, she destroyed it. There was a subpoena from Congress. That's illegal. 596 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,960 You can't do that. Oh enough to see here what she did was 597 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,159 no big deal. Well, I wonder what, so why, Mike, 598 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,400 Mike, why is it that? So? What happened then during the Trump 599 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,280 administration, because one of Trump's campaign promises was I'm gonna put her in prison, 600 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,559 and he said it so often that he had people at all of his 601 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,719 rallies chanting, lock her up, lock her up. And he said he 602 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,239 even said it to her on the debate stage. When I'm president, You're 603 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,159 going to be in prison. What happened? He had four years to get 604 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,480 that done. What happened? And why? And what? And what about 605 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,960 her husband? Why isn't he in prison too? If if you think he 606 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,639 should be in prison, what happened? These are all documented things. These 607 00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,880 are all I don't know why you're arguing against it. No, No, 608 00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:24,559 are all documented things. Well, call came out and said, well, 609 00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:30,400 you know, what she did was wrong, but we don't think it rises 610 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,760 to the level of you're missing my point. You're missing my point, Mike. 611 00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:40,159 One of Trump's campaign promises is I'm going to put Hillary Clinton in jail. 612 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,239 Then he had campaign rallies where everyone believed it. Hell, you might 613 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:45,599 have been one of them. You might have. For all I know, 614 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,480 you might have been in a campaign rally chanting with everybody, lock her up, 615 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,760 lock her. I don't know. You tell me what happened. I 616 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,880 don't know. I don't know. I don't know why you're asking. If 617 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,280 you're not on the inner circle of Donald Trump, Well you're you're you're so 618 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:02,880 it's just odd to me that you're so sure that she should be in prison, 619 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,679 and yet your guy had four years to get it done, which he 620 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,480 promised he would do. And as soon as he was in office, I 621 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:15,079 didn't hear another word from him about locking her up. Did you what happened? 622 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,360 He was too busy. He was too busy running the country, running 623 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,000 on a lowest unemployment across the ball. Mike, Mike, you know what, 624 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,880 when he gets up the Veterans Association, I mean, he did a 625 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,320 lot for this country, well, Mike, and maybe he'll do more. 626 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,880 You know what, maybe when he gets back in, if he gets back 627 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,440 in, maybe he'll go back and get an attorney general who will charge Hillary 628 00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:43,679 with something and put her in prison. You know, maybe it's just odd 629 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,320 to me that, you know, it's just weird. Now, she destroyed 630 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,119 the evidence, so they had evidence, but she destroyed it. So it 631 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,559 kind of hard to go back and say, hey, we're gonna put you, 632 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,000 but we have no evidence because you destroyed it. Okay. Well, 633 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,440 I don't know. I just he'll he'll find he'll find find a way. 634 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,119 In this country, we're going down a rat hole of trying to crush everybody 635 00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:07,360 who's supposed to be the leaders of this country and help this country and help 636 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,480 people. And there's this, there's this attack to just take him down, 637 00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,400 take them down. Two years of Russian collusion, right, you guys said 638 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,239 into it. You couldn't stop, you couldn't get enough. You always do 639 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,920 that. No, Nope, that was wrong. You always do that, 640 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,360 you guys. I don't know why you do that. After all this time, 641 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,920 you still do that. You guys sped into it. I said, 642 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,159 I said, you didn't talk about Russian collusion at all on your show. 643 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,840 Of course I did, and I said right from the beginning, And I 644 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:43,119 said right from the beginning that I didn't think Trump himself was personally colluding. 645 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:46,719 I said that right from the beginning. We've had this conversation at least somewhere 646 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,320 between fifteen to twenty times where I've reminded you that I said that from Yoh, 647 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,800 yes we have, Mike, believe it's been a long time since we've 648 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,000 had that conversation. But I've I've reminded you, maybe more like ten or 649 00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:00,920 twelve times, but I've I've reminded you many times that I said that right 650 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,280 from the beginning. But then you do the you guys thing, which is 651 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,039 fine, all right, I'm going to officially apologize for that. I mean, 652 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:12,159 of course I talked about it. It was in the news. Yeah, 653 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,679 except right, and it was wrong. It was It was two years 654 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,760 of Adams Shift standing in front of the camera saying I have physical evidence that 655 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,039 will take this guy down, and went went to impeachment and didn't bring up 656 00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:30,079 any evidence, had nothing, but he totally American people. Is that right? 657 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:31,920 Is that? Oh? I know that he's a fact. Yeah. 658 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,480 I think the Democrats really misplayed that. I do. Yeah, and I've 659 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:42,360 said that. Come on, I've said that there went over over a phone 660 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,360 call with sifty people listening in on the call. Yeah, I didn't like 661 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,880 that call. We're gonna we're gonna impeach him over that? Well, I 662 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,239 did. Again, they weren't. It's not like they were ever going to 663 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,719 get a conviction, not with a Republican control. They weren't going to get 664 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,119 it by the Senate. But I didn't like the don't want to make it 665 00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,840 look bad. I didn't like I didn't like the call. I'm just saying 666 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,960 that. I wish people would step back and look at the overall and say, 667 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,280 all of these things they keep throwing at him and nothing sticks, and 668 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,480 can one person do this much wrong? That was the president of the country 669 00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:19,679 and tried to do the best for this country, And don't take away he's 670 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,239 not a narcissist. He's not a he's not I'm the best thing that ever 671 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,960 lives in slice bread. He's cocky, he's narcissistic. I know all that. 672 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,639 I just know. I try to separate that from what what he did 673 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,079 for this country. This is all I'm saying. We were, we were 674 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,880 rolling, pre pre pandemic. I don't people forget that gas was under two 675 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,360 bucks a gallon. You know, milk was a dollar ninety nine a gallon 676 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,760 and things like that. The uh, the inflation rate was one point five 677 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,119 percent. This country was rolling. You even said it, you said, 678 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,800 if not for the pandemic, he was probably going to get reelected. Oh 679 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,840 yeah, I thought so, yeah, yeah yeah. And so now we've 680 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,000 come this far, they want to he's got a chance to go up again 681 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:05,800 for president, try to do it again. And now we're gonna we're gonna 682 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,840 cut his knees off whatever way we can. And it just it's just ugly 683 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,599 politics, is all. That's just what I feel. It's ugly politics. 684 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,960 Yeah, well I completely disagree on that part, as you know. But 685 00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:21,239 yeah, all right, Well I just wanted to skill my two cents in 686 00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,800 all right, Mike, I appreciate it. Yeah, talk to you later, 687 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,360 all right, and please tell your wife I said happy birthday. Oh 688 00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,480 thanks, all right, Mike, take care. All right. That was 689 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:35,880 Mike Doyle And uh, we're gonna take a break in a minute. I 690 00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:39,960 think, um, I do want to just finish up on this um because 691 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:44,719 I don't think we finished up on the part about Actually I should refresh that 692 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:47,559 now, you know what. Actually, let's take a break now because it 693 00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,440 is the top of the hour. We're gonna show some love to our amazing 694 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:57,000 sponsors, and then we'll we'll play a little song and then we'll come back 695 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,119 with the second half of the show because there might be Usually I like to 696 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,679 move on to a different subject in the second hour, but there might be 697 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:14,400 more breaking news coming as we learn more about I don't know, we'll see, 698 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,079 we'll see, there might be something else about this we need to talk 699 00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,760 about. So let's do this. We're gonna take a break, and then 700 00:54:21,079 --> 00:55:08,320 our number two is coming up. Welcome back everybody, as we enter our 701 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,320 number two and numerow dose of Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from 702 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,599 the studios of wm n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Downtown Manchester, 703 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,280 New Hampshire also on Comcast ninety seven. If you're in Manchester and hello 704 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,880 to all of our online listeners across the nation and around the globe. You 705 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,599 can go to my website Matt Connerton dot com for all your live streaming options, 706 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,280 social media links, contact info, show archives, etc. Etc. 707 00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,280 It is Tuesday, July eighteen, twenty twenty three. By the way, 708 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:44,360 the song we just heard was mixtape from the band Satellite Union. My friend 709 00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:50,400 Dave Wally joined us via Skype on Friday from the Great City of Chicago talking 710 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,679 all about his band, and we kind of caught up a little bit too, 711 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,519 because Dave and I went to high school together, so it's really been 712 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,840 cool to reconnect with him and to hear what he's doing. Such great. 713 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,760 Uh. That might be my favorite song of Satellite Union. I love that 714 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,519 track. It's so catchy and it's got a I think it's got a certain 715 00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,880 time, it's funny, it's it's like the song itself, I think has 716 00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:13,440 got a certain timelessness to it and that it could work in any any era. 717 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,519 I think I said this to him too during our interview, that any 718 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,840 era that that came out and it would kind of fit. And yet the 719 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:28,119 mixtape itself is specific to a certain time, you know, because there's no 720 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,519 such thing as a mixtape. I guess in theory there could be they still 721 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:34,440 make us sets, they still make as set players. You could make a 722 00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,599 mixtape in twenty twenty three, but why would you so? But the mixtape 723 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,639 itself is something that's of a specific time period. But but the song, 724 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,280 I think it is timeless, as is their their sound, the sound of 725 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,840 that band. And so that was really cool getting to talk to Dave on 726 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,119 Friday. But that's um, Like I said, that's probably my favorite song 727 00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:57,400 of theirs H. So I figured i'd give that a spin today. You'll 728 00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,079 you'll be hearing that and some of the others from Satellite Union now and then 729 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,559 on the show. Speaking of musical guests, tomorrow on the show, we 730 00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:07,159 have the band Wired for Sound, and I think they're joining us in studio 731 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:12,239 if I remember correctly, So that will be tomorrow in the second half of 732 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,400 the program today on the show. If you'd like to join us, see 733 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,800 studio line is open six Zoo three two five zero six zero seven six Zoo 734 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,360 three two five zero six zoo seven. You can also text me at six 735 00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:27,599 one seven nine one seven four four seven six. I'm on social media at 736 00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,679 Matt Connerton. You can email me Matt at matt Connerton dot com, and 737 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,719 of course you can interact end opine in the Facebook live chat. But the 738 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,440 best thing to do so though you can hear and enjoy our dulcet tones, 739 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:42,039 is to give us a call at six zo three two five zero six zo 740 00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:46,079 seven six three two five six seven. Um, sure enough, Yes, 741 00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:51,960 there is additional news regarding the subject that we were discussing in the first hour, 742 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:59,360 the ever growing list of legal challenges and woes for former President Donald John 743 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:05,719 Trump, the president of the United States. He revealed today if you're just 744 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,800 joining us, or if you haven't caught any of the news, he did 745 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:14,599 reveal today that he received a target letter, apparently on Sunday. That a 746 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:20,840 target letter meaning yes, we are in fact investigating you regarding the what we 747 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:25,239 in shorthand refer to as the January sixth investigation. But it's really more about 748 00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:30,880 the effort to overturn the twenty twenty election. And there's other aspects of that 749 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,079 that we haven't even gotten into yet that We're going to touch on in a 750 00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:40,239 moment regarding the fake electors plot. You know, having these different states present 751 00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:45,119 electors who would go for Trump instead of Biden, even though Biden carried their 752 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:52,679 states, and it's all very insidious and it there's also a growing suspicion that 753 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:58,159 Rudy Giuliani has flipped on Trump. He did that proper session with the DJ 754 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,440 where basically you get to go in and be sort of immune to whatever you 755 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,440 regarding, whatever you reveal for usually on that one day. You know, 756 00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:13,039 whatever you tell them, if it's pertinentto the case, you know, you're 757 00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:19,159 not going to be held accountable yourself, sort of a temporary immunity. Again, 758 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,559 a lot of this I'm learning about for the first time myself, so 759 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:28,400 I'm not a legal expert of any kind. Oh, Abigail Jim joins us 760 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,880 in the Facebook lave chat. I haven't seen her in there in a while. 761 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,840 Hello, she says. When I hear the phrase target letter, I 762 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,599 picture a letter with the Target logo at the top of it, Yes, 763 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:49,159 or a flyer perhaps in your Sunday paper advertising the sales at Target. Let's 764 00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,239 see. Well, obviously, you know we did hear from Mike Doyle right 765 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,440 before the break, and that a lot of comments in the Facebook live chat 766 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,440 will take a look at those two and get input from everybody. The point 767 01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:04,599 I just want to clarify something though. The point that I was trying to 768 01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,760 make to Mike was if if and I would say this, but it's not 769 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:14,840 directed at him. It's directed at anybody who insists on and it is what 770 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,199 about is in my opinion, you know, when when you're talking about holding 771 01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:22,639 Trump accountable and the response is, now, to Mike's credit, he didn't 772 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,199 bring up Hunter Biden. That's usually what people will do in that case. 773 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,599 But you know when he started talking about Hillary and talking about Bill Clinton and 774 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:35,280 all this, and you know, again, I would just say, if 775 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,719 you're so sure that they should be in jail, well, why didn't Trump 776 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:45,880 get that done during his four years? Why did Bill Barr and before him, 777 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,519 Jeff Sessions tell him, well, you know, there's really nothing we 778 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,199 can charge these people with if you're so sure that they could be in prison, 779 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,039 because that is something Trump promised, is it not? And I guess 780 01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:58,039 you can say, oh, well, he was too busy running the country. 781 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,599 Well then why did he promise that? Why did he promise that he 782 01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:02,719 was going to lock her up. That literally was the chant. You could 783 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,639 go to any Trump rally and everybody would chant there were two things, build 784 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:09,639 that wall and lock her up, and everyone would chant that. Okay, 785 01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:14,519 So what happened? He's just too busy. I mean, that was one 786 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:19,320 of his key campaign promises, right, But anyway, that was the point 787 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,159 that I was trying to make about that, Alex Whiteley said in the chat 788 01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:25,639 room, we'll I want to look at the comments and then we'll get to 789 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,480 some more news regarding all the legal news of it's it's been a big legal 790 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,679 in the world of MAGA. It's been a big day in terms of legal 791 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,960 stuff legal news today. So we'll pivot back to that in a moment. 792 01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,679 But Alex Whiteley said in the chat room, have you ever met a politician 793 01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,519 that is actually out there to do good? I have, and it's so 794 01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:52,760 disarming. They are rare, but they do exist. I actually think, 795 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,719 Alex, I think most people who get into politics, I think they do 796 01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:04,639 want to do good. Because when you first get into politics, you start 797 01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,239 out locally, usually right, unless for some reason, you have a lot 798 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,199 of money behind you and you can shoot for higher office. But most people 799 01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:15,480 start out locally in their city or town, and I think they do want 800 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:22,960 to do good because it's kind of a thankless job at that level, right, 801 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:27,079 and once you have to go through to run and win. But I 802 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,960 think that what happens is, you know, we have a system where so 803 01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:36,199 for example, if you want to talk about and this is true anywhere, 804 01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:40,119 of course this is true where you are alex but just to use an example 805 01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:46,800 here in America, if say it's federal office, say you are elected to 806 01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:52,400 become a senator, it becomes at a certain point, it becomes much more 807 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:58,679 about not just once you're in power, how do you keep that power? 808 01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:07,960 And it's no secret that, for example, United States senators, I've heard 809 01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:13,840 many of them even acknowledge this over the years that sometimes half or more than 810 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,360 half of their time is spent fundraising. In other words, you get elected 811 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,000 and then all of your time in office ultimately is about getting reelected doing things 812 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:28,719 that are going to get you. If you're a senator that are going to 813 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,960 get you another term at the end of that six years, you spend that 814 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:36,519 six years trying to make sure that you get another six years. Or if 815 01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:38,079 you're a congressman, you spend that two years trying to make sure you get 816 01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:42,199 another two years. Or if you're a governor, you spend that four years 817 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,119 trying to make sure you get another four years. Or here in New Hampshire 818 01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,079 it's only two years. I think New Hampshire and Vermont I think we're the 819 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:52,480 only states in the country that still have to your gubernatorial terms. But everywhere 820 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,000 else it's four you know. Or if you're a president and you're in your 821 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,360 first term, you spend that four years trying to make sure you get another 822 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,239 four I think that's what happens. I think, and I don't even know 823 01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:06,400 quite what to do about it. People say, while get the money out 824 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:11,840 of politics, but I think the real problem is human nature. You know. 825 01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:15,119 I almost hate to say it because it's such a tired and somewhat worn 826 01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:19,079 out cliche, but I think it holds up only because it happens to be 827 01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:29,639 so horribly true that absolute power corrupts absolutely and people get power and then it 828 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,760 becomes about keeping that power. So I do think. I do think when 829 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,519 people start out as politicians, they do want to do good. I think, 830 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,360 probably in other words, as somebody running for say, you know, 831 01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:47,920 city council in Berwick, Maine or something. You know. I don't think 832 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,440 they're doing it because they're thinking, Oh, that's going to be I really 833 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,400 want that power, you know. I don't think at that level that's why 834 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,960 you do it. But I think it becomes that as you ascend the political 835 01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:03,000 ladder, it becomes more learn more about that and I think that's what happens. 836 01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:06,159 And and by the way, I think that there are people who do 837 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:12,880 ascend the ladder who continue to want to do good on some level to some 838 01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:17,480 degree, but that will ultimately have to become second priority to the first priority, 839 01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:23,000 which is to remain in power. And I would imagine too, the 840 01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:28,079 psychology of it is interesting to me. I would imagine that there comes a 841 01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:34,239 point where professional politicians, as they're trying to remain in power, they probably 842 01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:43,400 convinced themselves that the ends justify the means in some points where, you know, 843 01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:45,199 especially if they're doing things that maybe aren't quite on the up and up 844 01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:48,880 in terms of fundraising and campaign finance. I mean, we have campaign finance 845 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,440 laws, but a lot of them aren't really worth a dam because it's easy 846 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,159 to work around them. I would imagine that there's a point that a lot 847 01:05:56,239 --> 01:06:00,199 of politicians get to where the ends justify the means, and they'll do things 848 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,880 that maybe are outside the bounds of what might be considered ethical or that most 849 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,920 people would approve of, or it might even be within the law but not 850 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:15,239 necessarily within ethical bounds by the average person's standards. But they get to a 851 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,639 point where they say, well, I have to do this to remain in 852 01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:20,599 power, because if I don't remain in power, somebody else is going to 853 01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:25,079 be in this seat and they're going to do bad things. I want to 854 01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,760 remain in power to do good things. And it becomes a cycle. It's 855 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,280 like, well, I have to remain in power so I can continue to 856 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:38,599 do good, but remaining in power has to be the first priority, because 857 01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:42,159 if I only worry about doing good but I don't worry about remaining in power, 858 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,440 then the good that I get to do will end at the end of 859 01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:48,800 this term because I'm going to lose the election if I don't focus on first 860 01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:54,239 on remaining in power. And again, I don't know what to do about 861 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,599 that. Like I said, people say, get money out of politics. 862 01:06:56,679 --> 01:07:00,199 I don't think. I don't think the money itself is the problem. I 863 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,119 think human nature is the problem. I almost hate saying that because it sounds 864 01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:08,760 so horribly cynical, but I do think that is I do think that is 865 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:14,239 the truth. And Mike is calling us back. Hey Mike, hey, 866 01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:16,440 hey, sorry, just on the subject you were just talking about real quick. 867 01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:19,880 Yeah. You know how you prove what you were saying is correct is 868 01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:25,320 look at the votes in Congress and in the Senate where a vote comes up 869 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,800 for something to do with the common the common man, and you've got every 870 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,440 Senator voting one way and every senttor on the other side voting the other way, 871 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,199 or every Congressman voting one side and every just about every Congressman voting the 872 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,039 other. That tells you that the system is broken, do you know what 873 01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:47,239 I mean? There's not one There's not one Democrats senator who thinks, you 874 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,199 know, maybe that's what they're doing is best for my state. I'm gonna 875 01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:54,960 go, I'm gonna vote. But that's just not how it works in politics. 876 01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:59,239 It's pretty much party line voting most of most of the time. I 877 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,000 think that's the day in line and stay stay with the with the good people 878 01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:06,679 on that side so they can get reelected. Yeah, well, I do 879 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:14,519 loathe our two party system absolutely that. Yeah, And I always said there 880 01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:17,560 should be three presidents, not one. An expert in foreign policy, an 881 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:23,239 expert in the United States policy, and an expert in health or something. 882 01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:28,039 And for every decision they want to sign an executive order, two out of 883 01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:31,399 three have to okay it. Yeah, it's an interesting job for one man 884 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,119 is just too much. It's just, you know, as we're seeing now, 885 01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:40,359 especially somebody elderly, it's a tough it's a tough sled for for a 886 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,520 guy like Biden's old showing just showed signs of age. I'm not going to 887 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,920 say cognitive or anything, but just he's definitely showing signs of age. And 888 01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:50,560 we all know. You know, you go to the picnic and you speak 889 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:55,239 to you you see your uncle Joe, who's who's eighty and he's sitting in 890 01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,960 a chair and you go over and talk to him. You know, he's 891 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,800 in and out a little bit. This some you know what I mean? 892 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,239 Did you what did you say? Hey? Wait? You know, so 893 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:09,920 to have a guy president at eighty or eighty four is is is another thing. 894 01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:13,399 But anyways, I was just our system is so broken. It it 895 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,239 sucks and you know who gets hurt the common person. Oh yeah, oh 896 01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,680 absolutely, you know we're the ones that don't get you know what I mean. 897 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:25,079 I'm not, I'm not. I'm not saying this personal. But somebody 898 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:30,159 like our our guy, our representatives, the guy from the back room. 899 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:34,039 I can't think of his name right now, and I apologize, Chris Chris 900 01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:40,920 Pappish. You know, he's there to represent New Hampshire and his vote was 901 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:45,359 people are saying somewhere in the high nineties of voting whatever Nancy Pelosi put up 902 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,960 and said, I want you to vote for. Does Nancy Pelosi have New 903 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,520 Hampshire's best interest in mine? Probably not, be can't even her only district 904 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,880 of San Francisco, that's her one district. Do you think about that? 905 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,760 And she's the third most powerful person at the we're in the world two years 906 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:05,479 ago and she can't even get San Francisco straightened out. So wow, just 907 01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,720 it just we just need we need a new system somehow. I don't know 908 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:14,720 what it is, no party, three party something, but let's let's figure 909 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,880 it out and do it's best for everybody right right now anyways, sounds wishful 910 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,800 thinking, I know. Yeah, it's hard to change the system, that's 911 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,520 for sure. Yeah, I'll calculate, all right. Thanks, thanks for 912 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,199 the call, Mike. All right, very good. That was our friend 913 01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:31,960 Mike Doyle. And that does open up the line for you. Six zo 914 01:10:32,039 --> 01:10:36,840 three two five six zero seven six three two five six seven. Abigail Jem 915 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,159 says in the chat room, I was thinking the same thing, She says, 916 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:44,199 one person, not one man. No, I agree, Abigail. 917 01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:49,600 Um. I suspect though, And I don't think Mike meant just in Mike's 918 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,520 defense, so, I don't think he meant anything sexist. I think I 919 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,600 think it's just that. Um. I think it's probably habit because we've only 920 01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,000 had male presidents so far, So I don't I don't think he meant I 921 01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:04,279 don't think he meant anything by that. I had the same thought. But 922 01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:08,960 I you know, I'm probably guilty of doing that myself at one point or 923 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,800 another, just because we've only had men so far, so it becomes sort 924 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,720 of subconsciously ingrained. But we have a call. Hi, welcome to Matt 925 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:23,319 Connerton unleashed. Is this Hey? Was that Mike calling? Oh it's Louis. 926 01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,119 Yes, that was Mike Doyle on the line that Mike from the J 927 01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:30,279 six committee. Anyway, he made a very good point. Is his expertise 928 01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:33,119 slides in horses, But he made a good point. It is a job 929 01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:39,439 that's too much for one man. What we need is one woman. There 930 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,840 you go, a woman to run this country. Well we almost had one, 931 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,000 but that didn't quite pan out. Um no, no. But when 932 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:54,560 we have a woman in charge, when men can step back a little bit, 933 01:11:55,239 --> 01:12:01,880 that's when we'll have real leadership, real empathy, real understanding, universal 934 01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:08,479 healthcare. We got to realize life is so short, yes, and we 935 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,800 just can't have this life of the people with a high gun in Bradstreet rating, 936 01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:19,399 everyone counts. Everyone agreed, agreed very well, said Louis. Yes, 937 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:25,760 I'm all instead of the halves and the have nots. Right now we 938 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,720 have the halves and haven't got a shot. We got to level the playing 939 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,439 field. And the only gender capable of doing that is a woman. Now, 940 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,439 why do you why do you say that? Do you think do you 941 01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,920 think women are more Do you think women are more pragmatic? Do you think 942 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,439 women are just generally pragmatic has nothing to do it. I like the word, 943 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,960 but pragmatic has to do a lot with logic. Women are not born 944 01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:57,000 with the chemical and balance of testosterone. You know, I like the word 945 01:12:57,119 --> 01:13:02,319 pragmatic, but women can think outside the box. A woman does twelve things. 946 01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:06,039 A man is trying out how to figure out two. They're very good 947 01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:11,279 for taking out the trash. They're very good for fixing a plat tire. 948 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,520 But men are the inferior gender. It is time for a female, just 949 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,239 like it's time for a female to run the state of New Hampshire. Joyce 950 01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:26,880 Craig is the perfect person to be governor of New Hampshire. Well, we 951 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,600 have had, we have had a female governor before Maggie Howson was governor. 952 01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:36,239 Ye shaheen. I don't need, but we need now in these times, 953 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:44,079 someone that can see the whole picture. We don't need people saying they're gonna 954 01:13:44,079 --> 01:13:48,319 sign legislation for cannabis and then when it comes across his desk, we need 955 01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:55,399 to open you know, Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New 956 01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,279 York, Alaska, California. Is everyone wrong in New hamps right, No 957 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:05,880 pun intended. I've always thought it's strange that our motto has lived free or 958 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:11,920 die, and yet we can't seem to legalize cannabis here they don't want to 959 01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:17,399 legalize cannabis because they're they're afraid they're cash cow selling booze on the highway and 960 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:23,159 then saying don't drink and drive. What they don't realize when you're having a 961 01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:30,039 little Hennessy, you can take a puff, right, Jenny points out in 962 01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:34,239 the chat room too. They advertise here, you know, like like Massachusetts, 963 01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:38,960 they'll actually advertise, you know, dispensaries and so forth. Here, 964 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,239 although we have dispensaries you can get where you can get medical cannabis. But 965 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:47,079 Massachusetts actually advertise, you know, because there it's fully illegal cannabis products. 966 01:14:47,119 --> 01:14:53,840 Here, we've been legal in California since nineteen ninety six for medical reasons. 967 01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:58,560 That's twenty seven years for an old guy like me that can even add what 968 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,000 is New Hampshire? Wait that New Hampshire should change the name of the state 969 01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:10,199 to New Hampshire and they should have a strain called New Hampshire's Finest. It's 970 01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:15,319 time to legalize week. No one died smoke in a bone. All these 971 01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:19,680 people die in a fetnel, that is true. No one's ever died from 972 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,960 cannabis, that is that is true. Louis, I agree that was a 973 01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:30,119 guy named Dylan that sang a song everyone must get Stone. It isn't the 974 01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:34,399 end of the world. Yeah, I mean yeah, I've always well, 975 01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:40,520 I oppose the drug war in a broad sense anyway, but it is it's 976 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,600 pretty remarkable. You know, we live in a country where we've got I 977 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,479 don't know how many millions of people are in prison for low level drug offenses. 978 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,960 Meanwhile, we have all these states that have fully legalized it. I 979 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,479 don't know why we're not letting people out of prison. Cannabis is not a 980 01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,479 drug. It's a plane, it it's a flower. It's a medicine. 981 01:16:03,159 --> 01:16:06,319 Yeah, that's uh, that's how I see it. I mean I don't. 982 01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:10,840 I don't use it personally. It doesn't doesn't go well for me when 983 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,319 I have tried it. So but but absolutely, many many people do use 984 01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:18,279 it for medicine, and it's certainly not something you know, even if I 985 01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:23,720 think if you pull people, even if you pull people who don't necessarily agree 986 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,560 with using it or approve of it, if you ask them, well, 987 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,319 do you think we should be throwing people in prison for it, They'll tell 988 01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:32,960 you no, no, we should not. Anyone that hasn't used it hasn't 989 01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:42,399 tried it well. I think that's probably literally true. Yes, Sativa in 990 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,359 all the different strains gummies to help people with medical problems to go to sleep, 991 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:56,960 have anxiety depression PTSD. What is New Hampshire waiting for? We should 992 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,319 clarify though it is. It is legal here for medical use, and it 993 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,640 is decriminalized. We just can't seem to get to full legalization here, even 994 01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:09,640 though we're surrounded by states and Canada where it is in fact fully legal. 995 01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,319 God bless America. Joyce Craig for governor the State of New Hampshire. And 996 01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:21,920 the only way that this country can have some semblance of order is to elect 997 01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:28,840 a woman president of the United States of America. I like it. I 998 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,920 like it. Louis, all right, have a nice afternoon, and the 999 01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:38,359 show as great as always, and Mike his input is always fantastic. But 1000 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,359 once again tomorrow they'll be racing at Saratoga and that's where his expertise were. 1001 01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:46,000 All right, very good, all right, Louis, thank you for the 1002 01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:50,000 call. All right, we haven't heard from Louis Angelius. I think is 1003 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,920 hey, you say his name now. We haven't heard from him in a 1004 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,560 long time, so that that was a cool surprise, six two five or 1005 01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,119 six O seven is a number if you'd like to join us. Six three 1006 01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:02,840 two five six seven. I and, uh, that was quite quite a 1007 01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,359 dose of feminism there, I do think. Um. By the way, 1008 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:14,399 his point though about uh testosterone, Um, I I have wondered about that 1009 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:19,000 myself. If if um, you know, because well just as an example, 1010 01:18:19,159 --> 01:18:26,640 so, um, you don't hear about nearly as much nearly as many 1011 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,680 road rage incidents with women as you do with men. Why is it so 1012 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,439 much more prevalent with men? Because we have testosterone, We you know, 1013 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,479 we lose our tempers. I mean, not me, I'm not a road 1014 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,359 rage guy, but I'm just saying broadly. You know. Um, A 1015 01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:45,159 lot of people say there'd be less war if women ran the world instead of 1016 01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:48,960 men, because as men were driven by testosterone and ego, I think generally 1017 01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:56,960 much more than women. So um, Melanie says, I disagree that was 1018 01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:59,640 feminism. Well, I don't want to get into a whole I mean, 1019 01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:05,600 we yeah, I thought it was. I thought, I don't know, 1020 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:14,279 there's different, like anything, there's different ideologically, there's different kinds of different 1021 01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:16,720 kinds of feminism. They I mean, you can go on YouTube and find 1022 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:24,000 podcasts of people arguing over what feminism is or isn't. But but you know 1023 01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:28,039 more about feminism than I do because you're an actual female, So I defer 1024 01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:30,920 to you. But I did think it was I did think what Louis said 1025 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:39,520 was quite enlightened. I'll put it that way. Let's see some more. 1026 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,039 Like I said, there were a lot of comments in the chat room while 1027 01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:45,279 Mike Doyle was on the line the first time. Melanie says, but Matt, 1028 01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:48,720 Democrats read documents in the bathroom all the time. That's all Trump was 1029 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:54,800 doing with those pathroom files. Our Dell five joins us in the chatroom and 1030 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,800 says, we say that we are a pop singing group quartet and we are 1031 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:05,800 from Greensboro, North Carolina. Helenie says, in all caps, butter emails, 1032 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:12,680 Matt our Dell five says, Trump Trump to Trump, we what's he 1033 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,399 up to? Of the ex President Trump? I'm not sure I quite understand 1034 01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,840 the question, our Dell five, but I appreciate the input. Jenny says, 1035 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,239 even if everything he is saying is true regarding Mike's defense of Trump, 1036 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:29,560 what does that have to do with Trump having military movement maps and nuclear information? 1037 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,520 All of it. He even said so on tape. Yeah, Well 1038 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,680 that's the thing. I mean, even if the guy, even if the 1039 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:44,920 guy walked on water, that doesn't excuse trying to illegally overturn an election, 1040 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,760 taking secret documents, refusing to give them back, which is an obstruction of 1041 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,079 justice, and so forth. You know, you can you can do. 1042 01:20:57,079 --> 01:21:00,239 You can do a lot of good things and still be a criminal. To 1043 01:21:00,319 --> 01:21:03,880 be very blunt about it, and I don't think that just because you did 1044 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,960 some things that some people like, that that excuses the or criminality, or 1045 01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:13,720 that we should just ignore it or just say, well, what about this 1046 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,399 other person who did something bad? See. The problem with what about ism 1047 01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,199 is that if you if you take what about ism and you follow it through 1048 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:24,720 by the way, I don't. I can't think of another example of where 1049 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:29,680 someone has taken documents of nuclear secrets and then refuse to give them back and 1050 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,600 actually had an attorney sign an ALFI David saying oh we gave everything back when 1051 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,359 we actually didn't know all that. I can't think of anything on the scale 1052 01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:42,800 of what Trump is accused of. Allegedly, he is entitled to the presumption 1053 01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,399 of innocence until proven guilty. But I can't think of anything on that scale 1054 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:51,159 ever. First of all, but the problem with what about ism is if 1055 01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:57,920 you follow it through to its natural logical conclusion, the conclusion that you must 1056 01:21:58,399 --> 01:22:01,079 arrive at if you do follow it all the way through, is that actually, 1057 01:22:01,359 --> 01:22:05,840 no one can ever be held accountable for anything if if you're really going 1058 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:11,359 to follow it all the way through logically, because apparently you can't hold anybody 1059 01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:14,079 you don't like accountable. You have no right to hold someone you don't like 1060 01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:17,600 accountable for something because someone you do like they might have also done something bad. 1061 01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:21,960 And the example that I like to use is imagine you're you're sitting on 1062 01:22:23,039 --> 01:22:30,119 a jury in a murder trial, and it looks pretty bad for the defendant, 1063 01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:33,720 but you're one of the jurors. At during the closing arguments, the 1064 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:39,319 defense attorney gets up and says, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I 1065 01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:45,640 realize it looks really bad for my client, and you're probably convinced that my 1066 01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,920 client committed this murder. But let me ask you this, what about all 1067 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,960 the other people who committed murder? I don't see you sitting in judgment of 1068 01:22:54,039 --> 01:22:58,039 them. Hey, and one of those people that might be someone you like. 1069 01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:01,680 Oh, but you're sitting here in judgment of my client, you know, 1070 01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:06,720 I mean, come on, you can't just it doesn't work that way. 1071 01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:11,920 Accountability doesn't work that way. So you know, we either hold people 1072 01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,560 accountable and I'm sorry if some slip through and you're not happy about it. 1073 01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:21,600 But even if that argument is true and that someone is being selectively targeted or 1074 01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:28,960 prosecuted, even if it's true, or even if it's true that there's more 1075 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,319 than one standard of justice and you feel that an unfair standard of justice is 1076 01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:42,479 being applied to a particular individual, I can't imagine why anyone would believe that 1077 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:47,760 that means that you should just have no standard, just just have no standard. 1078 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,840 Then just let it be a free for all and anybody can do whatever 1079 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:56,239 they want to and engage in whatever criminal activity they want to, and as 1080 01:23:56,279 --> 01:23:59,199 long as somebody thinks they did a good job, then you just have to 1081 01:23:59,239 --> 01:24:02,319 give them a pass on everything. I mean, it's you know, and 1082 01:24:02,399 --> 01:24:05,880 of course it's purely partisan. And I meant what I said. You know, 1083 01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:11,640 if if that were Joe Biden or anybody else, you know, yeah, 1084 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,600 you hold them to the same standard. Absolutely. I don't want anyone 1085 01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:21,399 stealing nuclear secrets. I don't want anyone's scheming to overturn an election trying to 1086 01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:30,079 take my vote away. I don't want anyone sitting in a dining room off 1087 01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:35,880 of the Oval Office, watching on television while our capital is being overrun and 1088 01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:40,960 just sitting there watching it on television for a couple of hours. Because the 1089 01:24:41,039 --> 01:24:45,119 people overrunning the Capitol are people who like the person sitting there in the dining 1090 01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:49,439 room next to the Oval Office having a sandwich or whatever. You know, 1091 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:57,279 I don't I don't want anybody doing that, regardless of how I feel about 1092 01:24:57,279 --> 01:25:00,079 them, and anyone who does do that, they should be all accountable my 1093 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:06,560 opinion. Scott Robinson says, Oh, maybe he'll finally get Mexico to write 1094 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:15,159 that check regarding if Trump is If Trump does get back in, Jenny says 1095 01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:18,039 Mike has a chronic case of what about is him? Melanie says, I 1096 01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:23,840 bet he would have had time to follow up if he shut Fox News off? 1097 01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,079 Well, Mike says he. Mike says he watches CNN as well. 1098 01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,119 Melanie says, it's just so fascinating that he allows no space for what if 1099 01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:39,600 the charges are appropriate? What if he actually did these things. Well, 1100 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,760 I think he was making the argument that it doesn't matter because he thinks Trump 1101 01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:45,960 Trump did a good job for the country. I think that, at least 1102 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,239 that's what it sounded like was his argument. I don't want to speak for 1103 01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:51,199 him, but that was my perception of his argument. It doesn't matter what 1104 01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:55,800 Trump, if Trump did anything wrong, because he feels that he did a 1105 01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,800 good job for the country, so therefore it's not fair to hold him accountable 1106 01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:03,399 for any of these things, whether he did them or not. That's what 1107 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:10,920 I got from that. At least, Crystal says our friend from Illinois, 1108 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,079 this is a regarding James Comy because Mike did bring up James Comy. Crystal 1109 01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:18,000 says Comy should be in jail for theft of government property that he gave to 1110 01:26:18,119 --> 01:26:24,760 his college pal. The information in Comy's belonged to the government. Doesn't matter 1111 01:26:25,279 --> 01:26:30,279 if it was Comy's notebook. Confidential information is still confidential, regardless of what 1112 01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,560 is it is written on. I'd forgot about that. Actually, Yeah, 1113 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,560 when Comy leaked I don't remember all the details of that exactly, but Comy 1114 01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:45,159 leaked something that to his h yeah, somebody from college, and it was 1115 01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:49,439 very strange. I don't remember exactly what it what all the details of that 1116 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,720 were, but I remember being troubled by it, like, no, that 1117 01:26:51,800 --> 01:27:00,479 doesn't sound that doesn't sound right to me. Ardell five says we are going 1118 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:05,439 to be an opening act for fun is Porsche Eplay a pop singing girl group. 1119 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:11,479 Oh, we're going to have people support us hashtag Matt Connerton. Well, 1120 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,880 very good, very good. All right, So we do have a 1121 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:19,560 little bit more on today's events. If you're just joining us, We've been 1122 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:27,119 talking about Trump's the illegal developments in Trump world today. Oh hello to uh 1123 01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:30,720 Chris from the band Edgewise, who joins us in the Facebook life chat. 1124 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:42,159 Hello, sir. Probably there's something else I wanted to get to, but 1125 01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:51,439 we'll probably have to save that for tomorrow. Um. They they left the 1126 01:27:55,119 --> 01:28:02,119 The hearing concluded that Judge Eileen Cannon was presiding over, so I wanted to 1127 01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:09,319 look at that. But there was also something about the fake Electors plot scheme, 1128 01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,199 which is part of the Jan six probe, which is again really about 1129 01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:25,720 trying to overturn the election. Yes, let's see there's a okay. Trump's 1130 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,920 lawyers decline to answer questions after hearing and classified documents case. So this we 1131 01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:33,560 were talking about earlier too. This is the other bit of news today, 1132 01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:42,039 Judge Eileen Cannon. They had a hearing about potentially when the trial will actually 1133 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:45,079 begin. Says here Donald Trump's lawyers decline to answer questions about the target letter 1134 01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:50,560 from Special counsel Jack Smith and about today's hearing in the Marlago classified documents case 1135 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,479 while leaving a courtroom in Florida. The hearing in federal court in Fort Pierce 1136 01:28:55,720 --> 01:29:00,359 lasted less than two hours. Neither Trump nor special counsel Jack Smith attended the 1137 01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:04,680 hearing, but the former president's aid and codefendant, Walt Nada, was there. 1138 01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:10,640 Nada appeared attentive and spoke only once in open court, saying quote, 1139 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,479 good afternoon, your honor, at the start of the hearing. Not as 1140 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:19,520 attorneys also declined to comment as they were leaving the courthouse. Now, the 1141 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:25,319 other thing though, okay, this is this just happened while we were on 1142 01:29:25,399 --> 01:29:32,960 the air. Michigan Attorney General charges sixteen participants in the twenty twenty fake elector 1143 01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:36,239 plot. Now this was going on in multiple states, by the way, 1144 01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:41,920 where they had fake electors who were going to present themselves, who were trying 1145 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:48,159 to present themselves and even signed actual documents claiming to be the official legal electors, 1146 01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:54,279 and they were supposed to when the Electoral College would meet, they were 1147 01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:58,520 going to say our state, we as electors representing our state, we go 1148 01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:02,680 for Trump, even though that state had gone for Biden, Michigan being one 1149 01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:08,399 of the states where this was going on. So this is a very important 1150 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:15,560 part of this whole attempt to overturn the twenty twenty election. Sixteen fake collectors 1151 01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:21,800 who signed certificates falsely claiming President Donald Trump won Michigan in twenty twenty election have 1152 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:28,880 been charged with crimes. State Attorney General Dana Nessel announced today. So again 1153 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,279 this happened while we were on the air of this announcement. The charged individuals 1154 01:30:31,319 --> 01:30:36,640 are Kathy Burden, a Republican National Committee woman from Michigan, William Chote, 1155 01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:45,159 Amy that Chanello, Clifford Frost, Stanley Grott, those a whole bunch of 1156 01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:46,239 names here. It doesn't matter. I don't know who any of these people 1157 01:30:46,279 --> 01:30:54,079 are. All sixteen individuals were charged with multiple felonies quote for their role in 1158 01:30:54,199 --> 01:31:00,439 the alleged false electors scheme following the twenty twenty US presidential election, Nessel's office 1159 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:06,039 announced. The counts include one count of conspiracy to commit forgery, two counts 1160 01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:13,279 of forgery, one count of conspiracy to commit uttering and publishing, and one 1161 01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:17,319 count of uttering and publishing, all of which carry a maximum of fourteen years 1162 01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:23,119 in prison, as well as one count of conspiracy to commit election law forgery 1163 01:31:23,239 --> 01:31:28,239 and two counts of election law forgery, which carry a maximum of five years 1164 01:31:28,279 --> 01:31:32,680 in prison. Okay. The statement from Nessel said this quote. The false 1165 01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:38,680 elector's actions undermined the public's faith in the integrity of our elections, and we 1166 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:44,640 believe also plainly violated the laws by which we administer our elections in Michigan. 1167 01:31:45,079 --> 01:31:48,960 My department has prosecuted numerous cases of election law violations throughout my tenure, and 1168 01:31:49,119 --> 01:31:54,920 it would be malfeasance of the greatest magnitude if my department failed to act here 1169 01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,840 in the face of overwhelming evidence of an organized effort to circumvent the lawfully cast 1170 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:05,079 outs of millions of Michigan voters in a presidential election. That was from her 1171 01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:13,159 statement. Michigan was one of the seven battleground states where the Trump campaign put 1172 01:32:13,279 --> 01:32:18,239 forward slates of fake electors as part of their plan to undermine the Electoral College 1173 01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:26,119 process and potentially disrupt Congress's certification of the twenty twenty election results on January six, 1174 01:32:26,279 --> 01:32:29,199 twenty twenty one. Yeah, because part of how I think this would 1175 01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:36,079 work too, is if if they could have gotten Vice President Mike Pence to 1176 01:32:36,359 --> 01:32:49,279 say, I reject I reject these electors from this state, and we're going 1177 01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:57,920 to send I'm not going to I'm not going to accept this certificate from this 1178 01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:03,199 state because I reject these electors. Then that gets sent back to the state, 1179 01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:12,119 and then the state puts up presents these new electors who are representing Trump, 1180 01:33:13,079 --> 01:33:15,760 and then that's you know, that was one of the ideas, apparently 1181 01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:23,279 one of the schemes that they were going to try to use. And then 1182 01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,199 if they could do that in enough states, that would tip the election to 1183 01:33:26,279 --> 01:33:33,199 Trump. There's a little more to this. The sixteen fake GOP electors from 1184 01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:40,039 Michigan met in Lansing on December fourteen, twenty twenty, and signed certificates falsely 1185 01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:45,239 proclaiming that Trump won the state and they were the rightful electors. They were 1186 01:33:45,319 --> 01:33:49,079 rebuffed by police when they tried to enter the state House to deliver the papers. 1187 01:33:49,359 --> 01:33:54,319 According to videos of the interaction, which took place while the real group 1188 01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:59,279 of Democratic electors were meeting inside the building. President Joe Biden defeated Trump by 1189 01:33:59,279 --> 01:34:03,000 a little more than one hundred and fifty four thousand votes in the twenty twenty 1190 01:34:03,039 --> 01:34:08,880 election in Michigan. In the view of the Trump campaign, these were quote 1191 01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:15,720 alternate electors who could have somehow replaced Boden's electors when Congress counted the electoral votes 1192 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,479 on January six, twenty twenty one, handing Trump a second term again. 1193 01:34:19,239 --> 01:34:23,399 You know, I've been very critical of Mike Pence, but thank god he 1194 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,760 didn't. I mean, can you imagine if he had gone for this, 1195 01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,439 because he could have, right, he could have said, oh no, 1196 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,600 I'm rejecting these electors and we're gonna go with these other electors instead. I 1197 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:40,000 mean, it would have been disastrous. You know, the Supreme Court would 1198 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,399 have had to get involved, and I mean, God only knows how this 1199 01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,800 would have ended up. It says here. However, a wide array of 1200 01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,920 legal experts, including many inside the Trump White House and Trump campaign, thought 1201 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:57,600 this plan was unconstitutional and possibly illegal. You think, why what would be 1202 01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:02,640 illegal about it? Just because there's all this for you know signing fraudulent documents 1203 01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:11,119 and making claims that are well fraudulent. Crystal says in the chat room, 1204 01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:15,840 all those involved in deliberately putting false electors in place to overturn an election should 1205 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,159 be charged with insurrection, treason, etc. Oh I agree, I want 1206 01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:27,520 these people in prison. Nessel, a Democrat, initially referred to the matter. 1207 01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,159 Referred the matter to federal prosecutors at the Justice Department, but she reopened 1208 01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:35,920 the state probe in January. Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith is also actively 1209 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:42,199 investigating the fake elector's plot, and some fake electors have testified to his grand 1210 01:35:42,279 --> 01:35:48,479 jury. Nessel said, quote, there will be those who claim these charges 1211 01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:53,880 are political in nature, but when there is overwhelming evidence of guilt and respect 1212 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:58,039 to multiple crimes, the most political act I could engage in as a prosecutor 1213 01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:01,359 would be to take no action at all. Unquote. The House January sixth 1214 01:36:01,399 --> 01:36:06,000 committee uncovered evidence that Trump knew about the plan and that he spoke directly about 1215 01:36:06,039 --> 01:36:11,159 it with RNC chairwoman Rona McDaniel. By the way, Rona McDaniel, who 1216 01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:16,760 apparently still does not acknowledge that that Joe Biden rightfully won the twenty twenty election. 1217 01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,279 I don't know if she hangs out with the my pillow guy who told 1218 01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:30,840 her something. I don't know, but and Rona McDaniel is from Michigan. 1219 01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,479 She testified that Trump and his allies told her the elector's plan was important, 1220 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:41,000 and that the RNC later helped the Trump campaign assemble the state the slates rather 1221 01:36:41,159 --> 01:36:45,720 of GOP electors. In the video released alongside the charges, Nessel once again 1222 01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:51,840 shot back against allegations that the twenty twenty presidential election was fraudulent, saying that 1223 01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:58,279 the election in her state quote was procedurally the same as in every previous modern 1224 01:36:58,319 --> 01:37:01,279 presidential election. This Despite this, the groundwork was laid for a plan to 1225 01:37:01,359 --> 01:37:08,760 send alternative slates of Trump electors to Congress in an attempt to outmaneuver and circumvent 1226 01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:15,479 the longstanding electoral process. Nessels said. The sixteen electors, all from Michigan, 1227 01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:19,720 gathered with the quote hope and belief that the electoral votes of Michigan's twenty 1228 01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:26,560 twenty election would be awarded to the candidate of their choosing instead of the candidate 1229 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:32,600 that Michigan voters actually chose. These defendants may have believed the now long debunked 1230 01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:38,479 myth of vote tampering or ballot dumps. They may have felt compelled to follow 1231 01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:44,560 the call to action from a president they held fealty too. They may have 1232 01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,760 even genuinely believed that this was their patriotic duty. But none of those reasons 1233 01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:55,119 or feelings provide legal justification to violate the law and append our constitution and our 1234 01:37:55,199 --> 01:38:00,800 nation's traditions of representative government, self determination, and a government by the unquote. 1235 01:38:01,079 --> 01:38:05,039 Nessel also said that her office will continue to investigate efforts to overturn the 1236 01:38:05,079 --> 01:38:12,520 twenty twenty election and quote has not ruled out potential charges against additional defendants unquote. 1237 01:38:14,039 --> 01:38:16,479 So again, but you know, we should be very clear about this. 1238 01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:23,000 This was not only in Michigan. This was going on in multiple states. 1239 01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:32,279 This was a widespread plan. And um, there is a question about, 1240 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:38,680 you know, did Trump know. Apparently it's believed that he knew about 1241 01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:50,239 this, um and I assume that that weighs heavily in them the investigation and 1242 01:38:50,479 --> 01:39:01,600 why he received that target letter. Um, Melanie says in the chat room, 1243 01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:09,039 so disappointing that people convinced themselves they were acting on the side of righteousness 1244 01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:15,359 by doing illegal acts, and Crystal says, wouldn't double the number of electors 1245 01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:20,680 showing up to validate vote trigger red flags from the get go for officials to 1246 01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:27,920 investigate further. What a stupid plan. Yeah, I mean the plan itself 1247 01:39:28,079 --> 01:39:32,479 is pretty far out there, right, But if they had convinced Pence, 1248 01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:41,359 if they had convinced Pence to go along with it, because it is interesting 1249 01:39:41,399 --> 01:39:43,680 to kind of think it through, what could have happened, right, So, 1250 01:39:44,039 --> 01:39:48,640 if they had convinced Pence to start rejecting the valid electors and saying that 1251 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:53,159 he would, it probably wouldn't be as simple as just him saying, Okay, 1252 01:39:53,279 --> 01:39:58,279 I'm rejecting this slate of electors from this state. I don't I have 1253 01:39:58,399 --> 01:40:02,079 reason to believe that that's states election wasn't valid or however he would have to 1254 01:40:02,199 --> 01:40:09,079 do that. I don't think he could then say, but I will accept 1255 01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:13,079 this other slate of electors. That probably wouldn't work. And I think you're 1256 01:40:13,159 --> 01:40:17,880 right, Crystal, that would that would probably derail pretty quickly. But a 1257 01:40:18,039 --> 01:40:21,880 theory about how this could have worked had Mike Pence not done the right thing. 1258 01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,439 And I yeah, I've been critical about of him, but I do 1259 01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:30,439 give him credit for doing the right thing that day, thank goodness. There's 1260 01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:32,279 different weird theories about how this could have proceeded. I mean, one of 1261 01:40:32,319 --> 01:40:39,159 the one of the dumb conspiracy theories is that the vice president is handed to 1262 01:40:39,399 --> 01:40:44,279 envelopes and he gets to pick which envelope he wants and effectively appoint the next 1263 01:40:44,359 --> 01:40:46,800 president. But that's crazy. But that's like a Q and on thing with 1264 01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:53,880 the envelopes. But one theory goes that what Pence could have done is he 1265 01:40:53,920 --> 01:41:00,479 could have rejected electors from all however many states it would have taken, and 1266 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,199 it would have been, of course the same states that had the facal electors, 1267 01:41:02,359 --> 01:41:08,199 right, because those are the swing states that Trump lost, and then 1268 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:15,079 thus creating a constitutional crisis because Pence would be refusing to certify the election, 1269 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,479 and then the Supreme Court would have to get involved, or it would go 1270 01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:30,960 to the House of Representatives because I know that if if neither candidate in the 1271 01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:34,680 election gets to two hundred and seventy electoral votes, then it goes to the 1272 01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:39,960 House and they get to vote. So if you have a Republican controlled House, 1273 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:45,479 they would have just voted for Trump and then Trump would have won a 1274 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:55,800 second term because Pence could have rejected electors from enough states so that neither Biden 1275 01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:00,520 nor Trump would be at two seventy if I have this right, and that 1276 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,520 would send it to the House, and then the House would have to vote. 1277 01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:06,439 I believe that's how that works, if neither candidate gets to do seventy. 1278 01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:12,880 I mean, we've never seen this happen, but so that's another possibility. 1279 01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:15,439 That would be another way that Trump could have could have held onto the 1280 01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:23,199 White House. Crystal says, what happened to the original electors? These facal 1281 01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:26,560 electors are replaced, wouldn't they be making a loud scene? Yes? Oh 1282 01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:31,239 obviously, yes, yeah. It would have been quite a mess. It 1283 01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:34,359 would have been. It would have been a very It would have been very 1284 01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:39,800 messy. But the scary thing is as messy as it would have been, 1285 01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:45,159 doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked. That's scary. All Right, We gotta 1286 01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:47,479 go. We are just about out of time. Thank you all for joining 1287 01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:58,000 us today and everybody who called, everybody in the chat room, and Melanie 1288 01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,479 said in the chat room, I truly wish that when you read some of 1289 01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,199 my comments, someone on their car, in their car is yelling at their 1290 01:43:04,319 --> 01:43:10,520 radio for me to go blank myself. That would make me giggle. Maybe 1291 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,479 someday, well, you know, we keep the windows closed for the air 1292 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:18,000 conditioning, but maybe someday we'll hear someone driving by the station and yelling at 1293 01:43:18,319 --> 01:43:23,279 That would be funny. All right, we gotta go. Don't forget tomorrow 1294 01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:25,199 on the show. We have a great musical we asked for us in the 1295 01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:29,920 second hour, Wired for Sound. We'll be here and if you miss any 1296 01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,800 part of today's show, it'll be up in just a little bit at WMNH 1297 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:40,600 radio dot org and at my website, Matt Connerton dot com. And uh 1298 01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:44,279 yeah, we'll close with a little bit of eons encoded. I haven't played 1299 01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:46,520 this song in a in a while, let's see. Oh, and it 1300 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,600 is Tuesday, which means if you are listening live on Tuesday. Coming up 1301 01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:55,920 next is Through the Stage Door hosted by the Great Rob Dion, followed by 1302 01:43:56,199 --> 01:44:00,520 a replay of Friday Nights Retro Spectrum Radio with Paul ec and I. Of 1303 01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,279 course, I'm one of Paul's co hosts on that show, along with DJ 1304 01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:09,680 Steve and Mike from Queen City Cabinetry. So there is plenty coming up if 1305 01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:13,239 you are listening live on Tuesday and otherwise I will talk at you all a 1306 01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:14,520 little bit later. By everybody,