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I am your host for the week, Rob Fox. I am joined as
always by Jake Goldman, who was waving at the door and Dan thought someone
was in the door. I didn't catch saw him look, saw him?
Look? Yeah, I was waving at the camera. Yeah to the people
watching, because they do. Dan jesters here as well. I am I
was actually seen if we were recording. Okay, if there's anybody at the
door, you can see there, right, Why do you check that you
check the door? He was looking at the door. I don't care.
Anyone says door looker for your narrative. Sure, yeah, all right,
why not? Yeah, sell them in the door looker, door looker.
Yeah, well it's window peeper. Door loooker is just through a keyhole.
It's just yeah, watching your daughter undress. It would be daughter if you
tell the story. Yuh yeah, I don't know. Why not watching your
nine year old boy undressed that Atlandic Christmas story. Um, welcome back.
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like did a little too much or so that's what my mind went to.
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Yeah, I wasn't doing any knee slapping. I'm just moving like the a
D D boy that I always am. Okay, okay, but yeah,
I think we both agreed. Jake didn't get any input on the best review.
It's just being Rob Rob love not being included. M well, you
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jew one right, it was, so this review is from the Jew.
Part was not the funniest part to me, No, but fun one one
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one hundred thousand hours and just generated a review. Yeah, reached out to
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It's titled Rob Fox's baby versus Baby Fox. Now would I presume that to
me? And I like that as well. I presume that to mean that
he wants my baby to fight a fox kit, which is what you call
a baby fox? That actually, yeah, like Tales from Sonic, I
guess Tales is a you know, a prepubescent but somewhat mature fox. I
think we're talking about could your baby take Tales? No, of course,
not Tales to speed alone. Yeah, run circles to be like that scene
in the first episode in The Boys where a train just runs through his girlfriend.
Spoiler ruler. Yeah, teeth flying everywhere. Yeah, he swallowed tooth
and shifted out later. I love that show. So oh man, I
just watched the most recent episode, every episode I've seen the first three.
Yeah. The review says a nerd and I want to be playboy pretend to
be friends with the jew and created this show as an excuse to tell mildly
funny anti Semitic jokes and get away with it, which isn't far off.
Yeah, honestly, the funniest part about that is you guys don't tell any
of the anti Semitic jokes, not a lot of them. The bulk of
them, as are the bulk of most anti Semitic jokes come from Jewish people.
Yeah, self loathing. Yes, yes, Also I think the people
got upset the most at Jack for anti Semitism, not us. What do
he do? I don't even remember, who knows who Coo could remember?
Yeah? But either way, up, I'll get you whatever piece of merch
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we'll start doing this every week. I'll give you a piece of merch uh
for the best review left. Yeah, we'll pick one every week and maybe
do that d end of the show now, but just the end, make
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pretty well. It's a real battle Royale. It is. It was.
It was down to the wire. I won't spoil who won like last time.
Um, maybe I'm mad, maybe I'm happy. We don't know.
You guys are always mad, always mad for the angriest stuff the two teams.
Yeah, because Joel and I don't really care. We did actually talk
about this after you guys think it personal. I'm there for Rob yelling.
I don't yell as much. Yeah, I'm I'm of the angriest of the
two of us. It's him he gets all mad. That's because Daniell just
start giving clues when they clearly don't know. But okay, but Joe's not
getting the clues. Yeah yeah, Coop Mike, Coop Mike. He was
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Midwest in what town there is, think think of the Catholic Rudy.
They're still not going to get in the chapel. That all I realized was
we have to get rid of sports from It's the Game Show because both teams
are just terrible at it. You'd think one of the teams, I'm not
going to say which one, but one of the teams would be better at
sports. I would think you guys would too better. Well, as I
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to keep relatively. I don't talk about current events if we can avoid it.
Yeah. Yeah, we talk about current events from the past, hurts
history. That's what we talk about. Great, uh, And we have
a good topic today. I told you when you walk in and thought I
thought this was a banger, I thought this was a great topic. I'll
be real with you. I don't think the start of the shows is that
great? Okay, Dan hates everything we miss I'll have to pick it up.
You guys have been almost Did I not get in on the meth?
What the fuck are you talking? I've slapped my knee three times. Why
are you upset that we have enthusiasts? Wait? No, I answered my
own question. Yeah, Dan hates enthusiasm itself. He hates that, but
he also hates lack of energy. He wants a perfect little medium that he
can be happy with, but that that doesn't exist. It's like the middle
class of America. No, No, he wants, he wants. He's
a sliver. There is a sliver he's happy with. But the problem is
he also hates being happy. So if we make him happy, then he
will then be upset. But then he's happy because he's upset. Right,
This is what we deal with, is you, did you just crash your
car trying to wrap your mind around that logic and you thought you'd be better
off wrapping your car around a tree? Because that that's what we deal with
on a weekly base, and we love each other, we do. That's
actually what happened to Ryan done Yeah, in the car with him too?
Heard of a math problem? Went through his brain. No, he just
heard heard one of our Inside TFM podcast. Okay, yeah, well he
died while I still lived in Saint Louis, like one of ten but yeah,
or twenty eleven like that. But whatever. Anyway, we've got a
great episode today. I'm excited for it. Um, it's not ancient tree
or anything like that, relatively. It takes place in the summer of eighteen
eighty nine in Chicago, Illinois. Gang violence. Huh, well what about
Chicago? Chicago? Yeah, home of the Harlem Globe Trotter like the other
days, Right, I was I I dropped my baby on hard concrete and
my wife was screaming at me about it, and I was like, what
about Chicago. Do you know how many babies die in Chicago? Yeah?
And she didn't have an answer, and I was like, yeah, I
thought so. I thought so. So eighteen eighty nine, Chicago, A
family moved in to a beautiful home in the Lincoln Park area of Chicago,
Illinois. Do you guys know it? I'm familiar with their music. Yeah,
Hybrid Theory was a pretty good album. Different Lincoln Chester, right,
Yeah, Chester died, yes Chester? Yes? Then the other one Miner
sucked, so the other one one on to make a rap group that JJ
Watt exclusively works out too. He listens to the Fort Minor when he works
out. Of course, JJ Watt is actually the worst America as soon as
he leaves the white lines of the football field, he's one of the worst
people on Earth. Well, listen, it's ten percent love and he gave
money on concentrated power of will. You definitely need to get those numbers right.
I can't do this, can't do it now, I'm displeased. Anyway.
Lincoln Park's in nice area of Chicago. You say to him, brings
some one step closer to the edge, and he's about the break. Yeah,
okay, it's just a few it's just a few blocks from the lake.
Blah blah blah, nice area. And this was no doubt an exciting,
happy experience for doctor W. C Row and his family. You only
moved into a beautiful two story home in a gorgeous part of town during Chicago
summer, which is I assume what heaven feels like. Have you ever been
in Chicago in the summer? Is it worth? It's like, literally the
best place to be in Joel in the United States. Of America just for
weather alone. I want to say, Michigan. It's the same thing.
Yeah, it's like the exact I mean yeah, it's literally the exact same
thing. Doesn't Lake Michigan, No, it's Lake Superior. Lake Michigan is
what Chicago's on. Oh it is? Yeah, yes, so Andy.
I don't know if it makes the winner worth it, But for like two
and a half months out of the year, Chicago's weather isn't ye put on
the rest of the year nine and a half months, who needs that?
You don't want it? Like, I have a ton of friends who live
in Chicago just by virtue of being from the Midwest, And dude, my
Facebook feed from I don't know, mid October to mid April of my Chicago
friends, it is just like, goddamn it, it's snowing again. Like
my dog died of frostbite while I was walking. It didn't leave it outside,
it's pause just fell off midwalk like a fucking hiker on Everest. It's
just a a city's a nightmare for most of the year. Most of the
year too, there are dead dog carcasses just kind of like inside this they're
kind of frozen to the side. Yah, frozen in there again like Mount
Everest. They can't grab him, like, you don't have enough time to
bring the bodies down, so they're just there now. Oklahoma, on the
other hand, whose state bird is the dead dog? That's just a koutrama,
that's just just set dressing. Um, that's a mile marker. Yes,
yes, yeah, you two aren't the first people to talk about that
either, like the fact that there's a million dead dogs just on the side
of the road in Oklahoma. Well, I mean we've repeated this bit for
quite a bit. Yeah, are the only people I've heard said then?
Yeah, probably probably are. You're probably just rehashing it. But yeah.
So the family of five plus the housekeeper, they were excited to move in.
Uh really just you know, a fun move to a nicer part of
town, middle of the city. Blah blah blah. This excitement, however,
quickly gave way to horror. On their first night living in the house,
the Roe family Row, his wife, his housekeeper, and their five
children were awakened by terrible noises. Bizarre noises, noises that had no explanation.
What they heard that night and every other night for the entire time they
lived there. Uh, but they lived in their dream home. Was a
ghost party, ghost party, a ghost party ghosts now actually a party actual
ghost or like a Timothy Dexter's wife ghost. No actual ghosts. That's an
old seawunch. Yeah, which, by the way, um, I may
need to start kind of taking more risks with my investments, like Timothy Dexter
the way Kryptos going right now? Yeah, buy cats. I'm gonna start
buying cats and shipping them to the heard. That is that on coin base,
Like, no, just been ten thousand cats on a boat stocking up
on coal. It is not fiat currency at all at all. It's feline
currency. Let's be a capreator why not cats? You don't breathe them,
You just capture them and they breathe them, and then then breed them and
you throw them on a ship. That's just kind of the strategy that is
tried and true to acquire something in mass and somewhere else. Hope they pay.
Then you're an import export at that point. Um. So, Yeah,
this home was haunted not by evil spirits or spirits that quietly floated the
halls and stared at you and then disappeared, but by just ghosts. Having
a party. No, that would be a great movie. What they heard
was described as a horde of heavy footed men running up and down their stairs
and through the halls, hooting and hollering, moving parlor chairs, shaking doors,
striking matches as if to light a cigar or pipe or something, and
even even firing off celebratory gunshots like fucking Yosemite. Sam. Okay, it
just sounds like a frat ghost it. The more you talk, the more
like you're just living in a frat house. Yeah, that's I mean,
nothing says frat ghosts more like smoking inside, throwing furniture, and firing off
a random gun every now and the right. I've always thought about having like
a modern ghost that I would want to be roommates with, Like he choked
on a Toastito's pizza roll while he's playing Xbox three. Well, isn't this
something we did? We'll get into discuss this. I think we'll get into
why that can't happen. According to people in this very story, is there
a certain date that ghosts no longer exist? Kind of there's cut off,
there's there's a deadline. We'll get to it. Yeah, we'll get to
it. We'll get to it. So I can't. I just can't have
a ghost at died in like two thousand and nine. No, all right,
and we'll get to that. We'll find it based on the logic of
some of the people in this story. Cannot wait for ghost logic. Yeah,
and these people themselves, are they past the deadline? If you're get
to that, we'll get to that as well. Okay, we'll get to
you said eighteen eighty nine. Yes, okay, yes, but you see,
for these people, eighteen eighty nine is the present now, I see
that, right, So it'd be like a ghost in twenty twenty two to
them, future ghosts to them. No, I mean whatever. So that
first night that they lived in the house, doctor Rowe and his housekeeper went
out into went out into the house to find out to find these intruders.
Like they heard the noises, they woke up. They searched the entire home.
They heard people running up and down the stairs, they heard shouting and
all this other shit. Search the entire home with their little gas lamps.
No one was there, nothing was moved. But these noises were as real
as they were. Okay, okay, So right now I'm gonna tell you
my wife would hate if we had party ghosts. Do you know why?
Why? Because I tried a party with the party ghosts? Of course you
would, yeah, And then wouldn't That's me just every night until four am,
like sorry, baby, yeah, Chamberlain's lighting a cigar again, I
gotta go. They're doing a line of like ghost blow to ghost blow.
It's gotta be the best blow. Or you would also try to make them
watch like found footage movies. Yeah, what's Jake's party too? It is
like, come on, they're in my outs. Watch they gotta watch the
visit with me. Yeah, and they're like ah, yeah, we've really
gotta go, and you're like, noah, man, just hang around.
He's like smoked it. He's like taking a couple giant rips off the ghost
bong and he's just like, seriously, dude, this movie is like fucking
You would not expect it to be as good as it. Do you guys
want to watch Beyond Majestic, you would just be Franco and Pineapple Express,
where you're like, I really hate Lingers, and then you would just keep
trying to like the Ghost. You'd be like, nah, dude, it's
cool. You just stay But then like somebody who's a real life friend you
would try to kick out of your heart. I think I would exercise frat
ghosts the best. What do you mean, because they would be kind of
fed up with my movie recos. Maybe all right, bro, we gotta
dude, but we'll fucking see you come back tomorrow. Yeah maybe, man,
I don't know, I got class. Yeah yeah, zee bad balls
for those at home. Is a UF bar, by the way, I
think everyone listens probably knows that now. I don't know we mentioned balls.
We've mentioned balls before. Yeah, but like it's a UF closet that serves
alcohol. It is a concrete block. Never rubbed my fucking junk against so
many guys as I had apol. Why do you think it's called that is?
Actually it's very funny. It was supposed to be a pool themed bar,
not a pool bar, a barber you play pool, just a pool
themed bar, and they just decided to never decorate it. Well, they
can't fit pool tables in there. No, it's the size of this table.
It would be uncomfortable for them to put many like pool table things on
the regular tables. Oh yeah, I mean people were sitting on the tables
they were sitting on top of the benches and then on the benches. You
just don't sit in the bench, dude, that I've never been in a
more crowded bar. It's great. The only like, there were only like
a hundred people there. You've never been to a Tallahassee bar. Oh,
they're just trailers the in between. If you think balls are small, check
out the in between. Good lord, Yeah, I can't. I can't
fucking deal with that. At some point, I was just like, I'm
not. I guess I'm not drinking for a while because there was just no
fucking way, oh to get to the bar. Yeah, yeah, r
ip rock by the way, the dun guy rocket Balls pours them heavy.
Yeah, he pours that fifty percent grain alcohol whiskey. Lord. Real,
Well he's dead now he's be rocked. He's well, we are talking about
dead people. He would be a great ghost. Yeah, and maybe he
will be one day when he's allowed to whoa, Oh, there's a fold.
Yeah. Doctor Rowe did not want to tell anyone about what was happening.
This happened night after night. He did not want to mention it to
anyone because he's afraid that everyone in the city would think he was fucking insane,
maybe not wrongly. He was determined, however, to get to the
bottom of whatever the hell was happening in his house. Every single night,
these raging parties would go on, and every single night they go out into
the halls looking trying to see anything. Everything was totally undisturbed. Doors were
locked, no chairs were moved, everything was fine. Nothing was broken,
even when they would hear things breaking. All of it. So one night
doctor Rowe and his wife and the housekeeper get the why his idea, the
clever idea to hide out in like closets and rooms or whatever throughout the house
and then when they heard the party start up, they're gonna pop out,
cool and catch these fuckers like a kid trying to catch Santa Claus. Yes,
yeah, literally, So like they were gonna wait, they were gonna
be woken up, they were gonna stay awake, and as soon as they
heard all the ship going on, they were gonna pop out. And I
assume that's as far into the planning as they got. I hope the ghosts
just kind of locked him in the closets so they could party longer. Yeah,
they just put a broomstick over the door handles or whatever. That'd be
good. Do you think they put a keg in that closet? All the
narts are by the keg. The cops, cop cops. I just like
frat ghosts. They pushed the ghost kid. There is actually a sketch on
Funny or Die. I think that's called frat ghost It wasn't that good,
though, not as good as we could have made up. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, because that was something I wanted to do for TFM back of
the day and it had already been taken. But I don't think my script
is very good either, so it's fine. I think Kenya he should bring
that kick out of that closet, including himself. What Wow, it was
a weird turn, man, but I get it. Yeah, I'm saying,
Kenny Chesni's gay. Live your truth. Kenny. Isn't he married to
Nicole Kidman? Is he really? Yeah? Divorce maybe? No? No,
they're married. Good for you, Kenny, No, yeah, he
is the least gay, fucking dude. I'm sorry. The prerequisite for not
being gay is being married to Nicole Kid No, no one, Tom Cruise,
I'm sorry, fair enough. Actually, I'm sorry he was married to
Rene's Eliger. That's it, and that was it. Who's married? But
there's a country singer married to Nicole Kidman. Is Tim Merman or whicheveryone's uh
yeah it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the other
Keith married. Yeah yeah, he's crushing it. Um anyway, Yeah,
so they're in the house. They're hiding their up. It's the middle of
the night because ship doesn't happen to like midnight and shit um and they're ready.
Okay, they're fucking ready. So in the closets or whatever throughout the
house they're waiting with their ass lamps. They're ready to pop out. That
night, the noise started up a little bit differently. Were they row hoggin
and go into poundtown kind of what? Really? Okay, Well, there
was a pounding Oh no, uh as the rose and they're wildly underpaid housekeeper.
At this point, hid they began to hear two men struggling. They're
wrestling. The struggles got louder until and louder until they realized that what they
were listening to was a knockdown, drag out fistfight and absolutely brutal beating.
According to their account of the night, two men just fucking wailing on each
other, still sounds looking around, and then finally a gunshot rang out,
and then they heard of sack of potatoes of a body tumbling down the stairs
dead. Whoa. So, for some reason, big wild West Town kind
of I mean, this was a little bit the West. I mean it
was kind of one of the gateways to the West or whatever. It's where
all the trains went through. So if you're going out to the West,
your train's probably going through Chicago is the gateway. Yeah, so at this
point the Rows decided it was still a good idea to pop out and see
what was going on. After listening to just like god knows how many minutes
of brutal physical violence. Yeah, I wonder where like the logic is there.
It's like, well, it's there had to have been at least one
conversation where they're like, it's a ghost gun, right, like it can't
possibly like get they don't even know necessarily that Okay, so that's actually terrifying,
right For all they know, two real men are just like viciously beating
each other, by the way, while their children are asleep up upstairs,
and the kids are did they tell they must have told kids not to leave
the room. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean and the kids
all heard everything too, like every night, so like they're all everyone's aware
of everyone's are So this is the night that happens then, instead of just
hearing a normal party where they could pop out and be like, get the
out of here, it's fucking two guys just beating the fuck out of each
other. And then one one is armed. One finally, yeah, is
able to draw his pistol and murders the other one in cold blood, and
they hear that body tumbled down the stairs, and then the rose pop out
ready to catch whomever was in the act of murdering another person. After surviving
a brutal this fight, well they find Yeah, they found fucking nothing.
No one was there, nothing was disturbed. They found a hoodie in a
pack of Skittles. What the fuck? Come on, Dan Can making a
choke because he lived in Orlando. I guess that's just what everyone there has,
is a hoodie in a pack of Skittles. Um classic. I don't
know why they popped out at all at that point. Yeah, babe,
on that night, No, that's not the night you that's not the night
you confront the ghosts. What if it's a different experience depending on where you're
listening, though, like every time you're in the closet, it's a that
does seem a bit, you know, like this was catered to them,
like they knew. It's like, oh, they're changing it up. We're
changing right, right right? Not a normal party tonight. Yeah. So
finally news of the homes nightly ghost parties UH made its way around the neighborhood
of Lincoln Park and then the city. It was huge news. On July
eighteenth, eighteen eighty nine, the Chicago Tribune wrote, they cannot be seen.
They do not softly and silently glide all in white. On the contrary,
they yell and fight and fire pistols and fall downstairs and do all sorts
of mysterious, not to say, diabolical things. The truth of the matter
is is that the real household is the abiding place of a gang of ghosts.
Chicago has had a gang problem forever, fair enough, and a gun
problem. Yeah clear, I mean gun violence never left. Really, it's
just waiting for that, waiting for that joke to make itself. M sorry,
I'm good week. What about Chicago? Yeah, I mean here we
are, Yeah, talking about Chicago and guns and violence. Um. The
Tribune, by the way, I believed the story. Now, I'm sure
part of that was just a fucking sell papers rag. Yeah right, but
they said they were like, well, they defended Roe's credibility because he was
both a doctor and a church deacon and, according to them, presumably a
man of a double liar. Yeah, that was what's saying. Back then,
all you need to do is say you were those things? Were those
things? Also, what is a doctor? I can saw limbs, Yeah,
I can let blood. You just go from town to town and you
just it's like, hey that people. What it's like the music man,
you know, the monterail right, yes, Montereil. Yeah, you're just
like snakes, a bunch of tonics. Yeah, these in one, two,
three, and then you just put some leeches on them. Yeah,
and then leave town. She's dead and you're rich arch. Yeah. They
just have to be better for like four hours so you can get out dodge.
Yes, you give them, you give them a cocaine and that they're
like all vibrant and awake. I love the cocaine was a sinus infection treatment
for a long time. Clears you out. Oh yeah, it fucking works.
Yeah, it's just like it also can make the infection much worse,
right, so you just have a that's the thing. You've cured it for
long enough for you to be in town. Yeah, and then you get
the fuck out of there. They're way worse the next day, like they've
done enough cocaine. Then they might just want to kill themselves. Yes,
but the doctor's out of town. It's like, oh the connection, Um
he's not around. He would still be like, right, okay, she's
sick because the doctors left, right right? What changed? Doctor here?
She feel good? Doctor gone, she feel bad. That's how reciput and
actually became important in Russia. It is. He was like drugging the fucking
Tsars kid, right, He was like, I learned this from the King's
man. He was like, oh, don't give him drugs, let him
pray. But it turned out the kid, uh was what do you call
it, he's a hemophiliac. Yeah, they were given the kid aspiring.
Yeah, so he happened to fall upon like, hey, you're giving a
blood thinner to a person with hemophilia. Don't do that. But you didn't
know that, so they all thought he was a fucking miracle work, right,
he's a wizard. Yeah he was. I mean, who's to say
with that kind of hog, that fucking tusk of a dick. God,
what if it was just like a rhinocerous horn and they were like, yeah,
no, this is is penis. It's sharp. Yeah, that's people
with that. Um. Yeah. So the Tribune believed the story definitely not
just to sell paid right, why would they do? The media would never
back then. There used to be a time in this country where news was
good, of course. Um so yeah. So Roe's neighbors, by the
way, also corroborated this story. It wasn't just the family. So Roe
he didn't want anyone to find out about this. I think he was fucking
nuts. He was a doctor, right, that's so, a cocaine dealer,
I guess y um, and a deacon, man of faith, man
of science. He could do it all. Didn't want any demons in his
house. That's a bad look for he didn't want the congregation, yeah,
to be like that Manton's got demons. Actually, yeah, that would be
a bad look for him because it's like, why can't you get rid of
them? Yeah? Yeah, thought you were a miracle worker Helen, Like,
you're not calling him for an exorcism. It's like you can't even exercise
his own fucking house he guys a hack. Yeah, take care of your
own fucking house pal before you before you start preaching to me. Yeah,
I don't care if my fucking daughters spewing bile and walking around on all fours.
Yeah. Heard, you got your own ghosts problems. Why don't you
just ship the fuck up and deal with that doc. We're gonna scrap her
down and not feed her. Yeah, let you start praying for yourself to
piece of shit. Uh. But Rose so Roade didn't want to. I
want to know. He was like, God, damn, anyone was gonna
think I've been saying. They're gona think I'm a shitty deacon whatever. His
wife, on the other hand, was like, oh my god, you
guys got to spend the fucking night. And hear this ship it is wild
women. Yeah. So she would go to the name she said, all
this suddnighbors and she's like they were like no, and she was like,
dude, spend the night. Spend the fucking night, And she had them
spend the night, like multiple of them on different nights and she had them
spend the night. Did they go in the closet? And they were all
like, Oh my god, what the fuck is happening in your house?
They were all they all of them were like, no, they're not lying.
I heard it. I heard the party, but I don't know what
it was. We popped out, We waited, we popped out. No
one was fucking there were they with them? Who were the neighbors in the
closet by themselves? That I don't know, but I assume they were together.
Okay, when was the record player created? I think you know the
difference between what's being played on It was a RAF. Know it existed.
If you don't, I don't know, dude. They jumped out of the
way of a train coming towards the screen created Stay Woke eighteen seventy seven.
Oh so it's brand new. No it's not. It's twelve years old.
And this is a major then it's a major city. Absolutely not. Okay,
there's no such thing as a major city back then except New York and
San Francisco. Over a million of people live in Chicago in eighteen eighty nine.
That is a major city. I get those numbers up, those are
rookie numbers. Oh my god, I fucking can't um. Yeah. So
anyway, the photograph had been around for a while. Uh whatever, So
says you, all right, fine, I like what Dan's putting down here.
I'm just I'm questions. I get it. That's fair. I like
that's the only position to ever be in because you don't actually have to answer
your questions. No, you just ask them and people are like, oh,
the wise man asked another question, an unanswerable question. Yeah, it's
my favorite. One of my favorite bits from like Early Family Guy is like,
oh, like they're looking back on their family history and one of Peter's
answers is like a philosopher in Ireland and wife is like starving, the kids
are starving, and she's like please, you have to get a job,
and he's just like why, I'm a great mind. Right. Yeah.
That's the thing that, like you figure out reading a lot of philosophy books
pretty early on. It's like these duds just like sitting around jerking their brains
off. Yeah yeah, it's kind of it. Yeah, they don't have
job, they're unemployed. No, was it like they're unemployed until they can
convince some idiot to pay them. It's also like everything that was written back
then is common sense that they just put on paper. Like the Art of
War, it's modern. It's modern art basically for its time. It's like,
well, yeah, everyone fuck knew it, but yeah I wrote it,
but I wrote it right. It's like the art of war is like
if your enemy is making a mistake, let them shit fucking genius or like
yeah, for example, even but let's go even beyond that, like Homer.
Homer wrote the Odyssey and the Iliot, Yeah wrote them. Those were
Oh those stories existed for stories. Homer didn't do fucking anything that we documented
it right well, and then Johann Guttenberg made it more widely available. Yeah,
it's honestly, it'd be like if someone like transcribed our podcast and they
were like yeah, uh yeah, I would be would be a terrible book.
Um. So yeah, all of rose neighbors corroborated this story. They
were like, yeah, something is fucking going on. I know if you've
read our fucking podcast, like they gab too much, they get too much
gabbing. No, it's actually all over our reviews. Now. Yeah,
oh people have caught onto that one. One review is just gab, gab
gap, it's probably Courtney. No, it's not. No, we're making
fun of Courtney, supporting making fun of my wife. She won't hear it.
She won't hear it. She won't she hadn't listen to it because we
gab too much, like right now, just keeps her away. You know
what I do when I need to watch just like really weird porno in the
house is that I play the Gabby sections of our podcast and keep It's like
a mosquito candle, you know what I mean. It just keeps her away
from the area, right, And then I you better be careful my wife
listens to it, she'll tell her. It doesn't matter. In the middle
of your wife telling it to her, I'll play the podcast parts where we
get yeah, yeah, it's like saying skull and bones yes, and they
can't. It's just me being like, you know, this is the store
the other day, and Courtney just has to run out of the fucking room
and you're like, oh, bro stores fucking hate him. Yeah, and
she just has to get the fuck out. And I don't lamer because that's
horrible, horrible gabbing. Yeah, have you done gabbing. Yeah, Okay,
we'll get back to the scripture. So presumably at that point by the
time doctor Howe's wife was inviting people or he was just like, fuck it,
whatever. I literally can't sleep every night. I'm afraid of ghost is
going to pop into one of my daughter, my teenage daughter's room and just
do fucked up shit like I just yeah, invite the neighbors over whatever.
So the story was published in the Chicago Tribune, and it immediately captured the
you know, the imagination of the of the neighborhood, end of the city,
so much of that. The first two nights after the story broke,
thousands of people showed up outside of the row house to try and get a
glimpse of the ghosts, to try and get a show. Okay, okay,
did they get one? No, No, because it's fucking fake,
dude. No, it's real, corroborated by multiple people. They also want
people to look at them. Yeah, neighbors have it. I don't even
know their names. Their neighbors weren't mentioned. The neighbors didn't get their name
in the story. Zero cloud for the neighbors. Zero cloud, I'm saying,
but it's possible cloud. We're talking about cloud potential now, like what
is it like inertia? Right, yeah, potential clout and you have active
clout. You got to get in on the potential cloud before it's active cloud,
because then you're a cloud chaser. But if you get in on the
ground floor, then you're just a cloud creator. No, if the cloud
is not around, then the ghosts were found. Yeah, but we are
living in the cloud creating an economy. Oh yeah, we are in a
cloud economy. Of course. You just pay people in cloud, that's what
That's the mistake people make on Craigslist where it's like need a graphic designer,
can't pay, but great experience get that cloud. Yeah, what you need
to say is can't pay or will pay in cloud? Right, any internship
isn't unpaid, it's cloud. It's cloud. Think about it. It's like
you're not a grinder, you're not a hustler, so you don't have to
pay taxes on cloud. Okay, so I'm not gonna give you. I
won't give you ten. They'll try, they will, they'll try to collect
on cloud. Don't point at me like that, say, there's the anti
semantic joke. Yeah, but whose joke? Was it, Well, no,
because he was pointing at you. I'm pointing at him, but you
assumed it was Annie. He's a Democrat, Democrat whatever. Fucking Yeah,
you don't know what I'm registered. You're only in Texas, You're only registered
whatever you voted in last I think, Oh, you can change it,
though I know you can change you walk in. You'se tell which primary want
to vote in the other day, I told him when I mostly vote in
Republican primaries. Who I told him, who's a Democrat? That? And
They're like, why would you do that? And I'd be like, well,
because those only races of fucking matter half the time, that's true.
Why the funk would I vote in a Democratic primary? Analyst? I was
very invested in that candidate. Yeah, that's a good point, Like,
why would I ever vote in a Democratic primary here? Except for like,
if it was like a city candidate, sure, everything I cared about most
was the city primary, then yeah, I'd probably vote Democratic primary. Yeah,
but if it's a statewide office or a county office, oh dude,
yeahs fucking railroad commissioner, do not vote for? Like why get in on
a primary? Like the three fourths of the real elections or in the Republican
primaries. Yeah. So yeah, that's why I fucking vote in Republican primaries.
She's just throwing a wrench in the whole machine. That's why Trump was
a regular story Democrat for so long, because it's fucking New York May.
It makes sense, Yeah, it does make sense. It's just pragmatic.
Can you vote in the primary if you're an independent? What here? Yeah?
You just pick which one? You're like that. You literally walk in
there like demo creator, repep, like and well you get to pick which
even if you're registered as a Democrat, you can't vote in the report.
You just can only vote in one. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
you don't get to play both sides. No, no, so that they
can't. That would be flout it for Mary and Williamson or something or that.
Hey, hey, you'd be nice to that sweet old lady that told
us crystals would fix the economy. Okay, I'm sorry. That lady was
great. That was the best fucking never interrupted anybody. She was very nice,
very nice. I would let that lady just like be my grandma.
Yeah, I mean I preferred the guy that wore a boot on his head.
I think his name is. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a Northeastern
canon or rat king. He was just New York I thought, right was
something like it wasn't running for president, wasn't Maybe it was president whatever.
Uh So thousands people showed up outside the home. They didn't get a show,
but not everyone was convinced that ghosts haunted the Row Home. Me included,
Yeah, apparently, you fucking skeptic. The ghosts are real. Do
you believe in ghosts? Do believe you don't believe me ghosts? I believe
in ripples of dimensions in time? Okay, bing, that's just a ghost
by another name. You ever play BioShock? No, okay, but I
like it. If you're into that sort of stuff, you would probably love
BioShock I need to play. You would also probably play it too high one
night and like not be able to sleep. I mean, I do nothing
very high at night, and I'm not able to sleep, so might as
well play bioshots. This is actually a BioShock tattoo, kind of is.
It's a little steampunky, isn't it. Yeah, but it's just the lighthouse
from BioShock Infinite. Okay, Yeah, I never played it, never will
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um. But yeah, so the story uh caught wind across the country kind
of like kind of like a Florida man's story, you know, just like
a local interest story that's bizarre and then spreads across the country. Yeah,
everything, like, oh, look at what happened here, because Florida Man
is not real. Florida Man is a mad lib. Yeah, it really
is. It's whenever Newsday just create a Florida Man story, it's not even
a made lib. It's Florida Man. And then the it's just blank the
rest of the way. It didn't get fill it in. It's the manatees
picking up the yeah, where they just float in and it's manatees, which
is even better. Yeah, yeah that people jump through Florida Man jumps through
those Yes, you know, you know why Florida Man exists, right,
yes, the laws. Yeah yeah, no, it's like they wouldn't have
those stories if it wasn't for that, or if more states had that,
Oh it'd be it. Yeah. I mean look like, yeah, Arizona,
any redneck stay as well? Yeah oh no, No. Darius from
Atlanta taught us that Florida Man exists to keep black people from moving to Florida,
right. I would believe that actually that I have seen that season of
Atlanta. I have seen with the alligator. He's just beating the beating a
flamingo to death. Yeah, it's a good one. It is. Uh
So. As the story became syndicated in papers across the country, one paper
in particular read this story and said, nah, no, this house isn't
haunted. This house isn't haunted because there can't be ghosts in Chicago. Is
this where the date comes into play? Yes. Rochester, New York's Democrat
and Chronicle took major issue with the story where they offended by it. The
issue was Chicago wasn't old enough to have ghosts. I love I love the
clap back with like also nonsense, right, like two idiots with terrible logic
screaming at each other. Yeah, I kind of like their logic, though
I know you would. This is actually a very much a Dan take.
Yeah, no, will be um. I think yeah, I think it's
kind of like the Hall of Fame, Like a certain amount of time has
to pass before you can become a ghost. Okay, So do you think
like you just sit around in like purgatory or whatever, and then you get
to be a ghost. You get in you're waiting for the like Saint Peter
comes out. It's like, all right, Jeffrey mcginna, you get to
go actually do your time on the oceans. He's kind of frost the ocean,
right, or do you get to walk to the bottom at least see
the ship. No, you just create the fog. So the Morning missed.
Chicago had been incorporated in eighteen thirty seven. At that point, it
was barely fifty years old, although people live there longer than that. But
yeah, I know major met I know, so fifty years later that that
means that a ghost could not exist after nineteen seventy two in the in Rochester,
New York's while we'll get into a little more here, so not nearly
enough time for ghosts to take root in the city. I mean, have
you heard of a nineties ghost? I haven't. I have heard of nineties
ghosts. And also in the nineties rocking a jean jacket in the nineties you
heard about all the time. Like I remember growing up as a kid,
you'd hear about ghosts from the fifties and shit like you did. Yeah,
you'd hear like Johnny and Janey, You're like at makeout point, but they
accidentally parked on the train tracks like a creaser I can get down with as
a ghost for the for the the greaser exception. Yeah, you got slick
hair, you're good to ghosts. Leather jacket, you snap when you talk
like a switchblade, right, and you you accidentally got your car, dude.
Then one of the number one way is I thought a person could fucking
die as a child was your car getting stuck on the train tracks? You
couldn't just get out the amount of stories you heard about that where it's just
like, oh man, I was like, I'm I'm never driving over as
an eleven year old. I was like, driving over train tracks, No
fucking way mine was. I thought people got electrocuted in the shower during lightning
storms a lot. Oh yeah, I'll believe that. I mean, that
sounds like a way a lot of people in Florida would does not accurate.
You can it's extremely rare. There's like a very rare chance of that happened
about a pool, Well, you shouldn't be in a pool during a storm.
Yeah. What if I'm waving a golf club in the air, don't
Oh yeah, yeah, what if I'm playing pool golf? I've just wrapped
myself in a loominum foil and I'm swimming around in my backyard with my toaster.
Yeah, I got my toaster, my floaster on the boogie board.
Let be a fun game, like you're just throwing like live car batteries into
a pool and someone's with a lacrosse goal stick and they've got to just fling
them back out. That would be a fun Mario party mini game. Yeah,
like roaster no roaster toast. Yeah yeah, but just like a nineties
ghost listening to the grunge, but you don't believe in a nineties ghost,
even though that goes like there, I don't believe in ghost, but like
if there was a ghost, Okay, nineties ghost would be kind of cool.
So the Democrat and Chronicle they used the tried and true scientific method of
just pulling a guess all the way out of their asshole, and they declared
that a city and I think they took a fence by the way, because
they were much older, like the pre Revolution. I believe a city can't
have significantly matured to have ghosts until it's existed for at least one hundred years.
So that's based on what nothing they just said that they were like a
hundred yes. I mean they just arbitrarily were like, it's got to be.
It wasn't that there was a ghost party happening or anything like that.
It was that it just you couldn't do it in less than a hundred years,
right. They needs time to bake, right. You can't bake a
cake in three minutes. Right. They always try it on Chopped or like
any cooking show on the Food Network, and it always fails. You never
have enough time to bake that cake. And then you go to the fucking
ice cream machine and somebody else is there and they only have one ice cream
machine for some reason. That'd be a good sketch. Is just trying to
make a ghost that sticks, so they just have to die horribly. I
mean really, you just put someone in a leather jacket play do Whop and
leave him on train tracks with a woman, yeah, like Jan and Dean,
Yeah, in a pool skirt. Yeah yeah, mister sand Man that's
playing, and then a train just rips through him. It's like a train
in that first episode man. Pretty much. Yeah, Um, fifties would
have been dope to live in for like ten years, the entire decade.
I don't want to be in Vietnam that wasn't in the fifties, So you're
in luck. Yeah, I know what I'm saying that I want to exit
for the ten years of the fifties, the entire decade. Can I give
you there was no draft for Korea, but I'll give you a hot take.
Being in Korea might have been just as bad. My grandfather said Korea
was the best time of his life. Your grandfather was a fucking pogue,
as they say. He fixed planes. Yeah, he played basketball on basses,
That's all he said he did. Grandma went to camp. It was
a summer camp fixed planes. That's great, But to be fair, he
gave up being drafted by the Dodgers to go to summer camp, which is
real stupid. Your grandpa went to camp Korea instead of having a professional baseball
career. Yeah, what was logic that he afraid that there was a draft
so we went so yeah, because to the punch. A lot of people
do that because if you get drafted, you have less control over where you
go. The Air Force and then I think a week later, as he
signed up for the Air Force, he got drafted by the Army. So
he just went to the Air Force. Yeah. Oh word, that's why
when I mean a lot of people like brag about enlistment numbers during like World
War two and stuff like that, but there was actually like a material benefit
to you two. Okay, I actually did not know that. Going to
control your destination, it's always the same destiny and the same with the same
with Nam too. So like if you in list you can be like,
yeah, do you give me? Literally it's just usually give me the Air
Force or the Navy. Yeah, I guess, because you're not on land
half of time, or well, yeah, not a lot of naval battles
in Vietnam. Joining the navy was not a better option than World War Two.
I don't think it couldn't be, especially with the Pacific. If you're
in the sounds like yeah dude. Oh, Also they weren't really the threat
of them was very real. I mean it was just creep into my brain.
I mean, yeah, we had the Atlantic pretty much under control by
the time we got into World War two in earnest, but still the Pacific
was a nightmare. But yeah, I guess the threats of air and also
underneath you, which is not great. I would not I would have rather
been in the Army than the Navy and the fucking and there was no air
forces the Army Air Corps in World War Two. By the time you're grandpa
was in it, there was an air force. But um, but yeah,
So there was an explanation, kind of a non supernatural explanation for what
may have been haunting the Rose. Oh did we have a like a MythBuster
go in, No ghostbuster, No, not even close. But there was
something else. So, by the way, doctor Rowe never believed it was
ghosts, but I think he never wanted to admit that it was ghosts.
Right, bad for his brand, bad for his brand. Everyone's always had
a brand, by the way, right, we didn't Millennials didn't invent having
a brand. We branded brand brands. Yeah, we put it to Yes,
we branded branding. You name the demon, you control it. I
mean that's the truth. Though, like you say, it's name, you
get more control over it. And what do we do. We created careers
out of it instead of just being a fucking product. He decided, hey,
we can at least master this a little bit, so suck on that
Boomers, all right, yeah, bitches. So the property the entire time
the Rows were renting, by the way, they did not own it.
It was in the midst of a legal battle between the woman who rented it
to the Rows and the widow who used to own it, Nellie Wilson.
Now the real estate agent who was in a part of the Oh that was
a backup job back then too, real estate agent. Yeah, oh yeah,
it's a safety job. Yeah. So the real estate agent who was
representing the other woman, not Nellie Wilson, who the woman who currently owned
the property, right, Frank Turner, He said, I don't He basically
said, I almost said this was a real quote because they put it in
clothes, but it's not the real quote. He to paraphrase. He essentially
was like of Nellie Wilson, he was like, I don't know how,
but this bitch is responsible for this. And that's a direct quote, Yeah,
direct quote from Frank Turner. And that's yeah. So he but that
bitch did. Yeah he So he heard everything like a big ghost party's men
running up and down, a brutal knockout, drag down fist fight between two
people who disappeared in a murder and it's all gone. Never there. Frank
Turner was just like, yeah, I know, I know the stories,
and I don't know how, but she did it. And so this is
this is the person that currently owns the property or the widow the widow who
who previously owned it. But there was a dispute over it and and the
sale and the legality of it. And Nellie was upset that she no longer
owned the property, okay, and allegedly wanted to get the Rows or anyone
who would have been cursed it. She had motive, Okay, she did
have motive. Did she have the resources. Well, that's the problem is
that the Rows were like, no, dude, we are hearing literally dozens
of ghosts get drunk and fight and smoke and murder each other and rough house
every night. Like an old widow couldn't do this. Yeah, she shows
under the floorboards, letting the house, just doing a bunch of different voices
too. Yeah, yeah, she's just going big. She bought a funk
graph Yeah, first took it into a saloon, recorded the saloon night after
night, and then just I don't know, put it down the chimney and
played it open and showcase figured it out that bitch did it. It would
be really funny. By the way if she was actually directly responsible for supernatural
reasons, like she could astral project some fucked up Texas saloon into their house
because she was so mad, She's like, yeah, rubbing her crystals.
Yeah, it's Marrion Williamson, it is. Yeah. Um. Eventually,
obviously no one believed that that Sheat did it, although I don't hate that
theory. Yeah, um, let's not just throw that out right, is
that she in the lead. Let's keep that in the mix. Okay,
all right, I want to table that. Okay, that she could ask
for a project, That's fine. Eventually the rose moved, Uh, and
the story loss teat. You know, this stuff was going on, Jack
the Ripper, that type of thing. So Jack the Ripper is the baseball
player just ripped singles all the time, RBI. RBI Jack is another nickname
for him. Yeah, is Jack and Hack Hack Wilson and Jack the Ripper.
Hack and Jacks are really doing a lot of throwbacks to an episode that
has not aired yet. Uh, well, a lot of people won't listen
to it. Yeah that's good. Yeah, perfect lucky. So, the
mystery of the Chicago Ghost Rager remains unsolved. There is perhaps another but I
guess also supernatural explanation. So you guys only know the band Lincoln Park.
You don't know the neighborhood Lincoln Park. It's it is a park. Yes,
there's a park, and there's also the neighborhood around it's called Lincoln Park
like Hyde Park. Yes, exactly. Well in the end, it doesn't
really matter anymore. God damn. I like new as I was writing this,
that you guys are gonna make Lincoln Park jokes, and I knew I
was going to cringe through them. And here here we are that album with
jay Z. That's the worst thing, and it plays all the time on
the radio. Here too, that one song with jay Z, the famous
one numb. I don't know anyway, Can I go fun fun? Yeah,
that's what fun. Fact about Lincoln Park. He sure doesn't. Uh,
Lincoln Park is one of the best places to live in Chicago, one
of the nicest places. Anyone who's familiar with Chicago is like, oh,
fuck, you live in Lincoln Park. So, um, I just saw
the worst fucking just say it. Just go forwards because they're spooky, because
yeah, no, god, it's terrible. It turns out Lincoln Park is
full of spooks. I didn't even have the worst joke this this episode.
Lincoln Park is full of spooks um because what people don't realize is that prior
to the Great Chicago Fire, what Lincoln Park was mostly known for was not
being a park at all. It was not a park in any way.
It was Chicago's main city cemetery. Oh yikes. Yeah, to this day
under Lincoln Park the park, Uh, there are up to ten thousand unmarked
graves underneath the soil of Chicago's Central Park basically, and they would have moved
them. They were planning on moving them, but the Great Chicago Fire of
eighteen seventy one burned most of the wooden grave markers, so they had no
idea with a grays where they weren't about to dig up every inch of it.
So they just left literally tens of thousands of dead bodies underneath their main
civic park. And that's why you don't go cheap on the burial. Yeah,
there was no such thing as an expensive burial. I guess for these
people, it was more of a landfill for bodies at this point. I
mean, if you're making a crucifix out of wood, it's not what you're
carving the name with a knife, I mean literally probably maybe painting it on
crucifix meant what is you know? Accurate? Yes, there's a lot of
wooden crosses got burned up in the Great Chicago Fire and again to this day,
tens of thousands of bodies underneath that park, which is haunted as shit,
and the neighborhood is as well. According to local Chicago parapsychologist Ursula Bielski,
take that title for what it's worth, She says, Lincoln Park is,
without a doubt, the most active site I've investigated. She cited activity
both visual and auditory. It manifests itself in heavy atmospheres, and physical effects
like lightheadedness and nausea. Now this went into full effect one hundred and one
years into Chicago's existence. What um once they hit the hundred year mark,
that's when all the hunting started, I guess. But there this house was
haunted in Lincoln Park prior to the hundred year mark. Yeah, I can
actually tell you when Chicago was So Chicago was incorporated or whatever in eighteen thirty
seven, but my guess is it was actually probably settled before that. Well
before that, I would imagine I would guess like yeah, um blah blah
blah history in the mid eighteen SI. I didn't looked this up because I
don't. In eighteen o three, the US Army built Fort Dearborn. This
was destroyed in eighteen twelves in the Battle of Fort Dearborn. There was a
War of eighteen twelve battle there. So what was at Fort Dearborn was So
Chicago started as a fort. Yes, like making every other city. So
in seventeen ninety five, uh, an area that was to be part of
Chicago was turned over to the US for a military post by native tribes.
Uh. Yeah, and then an eighteen o three the Army built For Dearborn.
So we're still under the ghost until nineteen o three. Nineteen o three,
the very earliest Yeah, okay, myth busted. Yeah, So you
don't buy the fact that Lincoln Park is literally living out the fucking plata Poltergeist
not yet built on top of a great yard during this period. Well,
now, so you buy you buy the fucking Rochester, New York theory that
it needs to have one hundred years to cook. Yeah, that seems plausible.
That hundred years. Jesus Christ I mean, how many times you have
to discuss this Hall of fame? You have to wait it out? So
ghosts are the good ones, like the ones worthy of hants. Yeah,
you get to go back to this plane smoke cigars, sick. What it
happened for life? Yeah? Fuck that? Um but yeah, that is
all I got. The hunting. That's it. That's the story. Uh,
that's there's no rational explanation that you could have found. Nope, it
dozens of people witnessed this. No rational explanation bullshit ever provided. None of
that ever had that house, No one, No one experienced the fucking thing.
You know, my house does not even exist anymore. Of course it
doesn't, because this place is fucking fake. This never happened. None of
it happened. The ghost party happened. No, it didn't. It did
prove it it did, and it didn't. No, that's not how proving
things works. I'm saying. It was a fucking ragged story, dude.
No one, No, none of this happened. This guy didn't want people
to know about it. That's a lie. You can lie about not wanting
things too. No, No, all right, so that's bullshit. I
fucking hate this episode. We're going back to old business. It was the
old owner, okay, underneath the floor boards, willing to dive into that,
like underneath the floorboards, putting on a show. And she probably had
Yeah, she had a record player. I hate this so much. God,
I fucking hate this. I'm sorry. I know you're excited about it.
I don't know why. But she had an under a floor whatever one?
No, no, no, I mean I get that one the most.
You got a better you got a better theory. No, the only
two things you said could have been possible. We're supernational. Reason. No
one had a rational explanation for this must have been ghosts must be well,
I don't believe when you can't explain it rationally, you must seek out the
irrational explanation. No you don't. So what stands there now? Uh?
You know what? I looked it up? Uh it was it's because if
it was a fraternity house, then it could be a ripple through time.
Especially believe it more if it was a fraternitas. Yeah, because it could
just be like it's the future back, it's a wormhole. Oh like that
one. Even though that's also just another supernatural explanation. That's bullshit. But
look, I'm just telling you it's its ghosts and you need to fucking deal
with the fact. So it was at three ninety four Belden Avenue in Chicago,
and I'm pulling it up right now. I looked it up earlier.
It was just like a bunch of uh like restaurants and like an office building
or something in the middle of Lincoln Park. I wish, Debbie rat there
is still a park across the street, which means it's full of dead bodies.
So yeah, I mean, here's the intersection where it would have been.
Actually, this might be the building that looks haunted as shit. Oh
boom, yeah, so that might just not be a house anymore. And
then actually here's well, that's more of an apartment that that probably is past
that time period. And then the other ones a new how do you suppoll
row rowe? So yeah, ghosts are real, and m a bunch of
ghosts had a party in this house that summer. I think it was more
like it also doesn't seem that bad it was. It was, I know,
it was like American pie too, right. They ran at a lake
house for the summer, partied all the time. They got medieval time of
ghost hauntings. They had a show every night. I mean they listen to
someone getting murdered. Yeah, but they already did. They were also like
a good time. What else are you gonna do? What? What's your
entertainment options? You had a free show every night, like you said,
quit bitching. Maybe that's why I didn't want to tell anybody. You know,
they'd like shake they grabbed doors and shake them and ship and wake them
out experience. How does this man supposed already the haunt was too real.
It's like they had their own Disney World. They got the haunted mansion every
night. Yes, Jake, I just you don't believe so hard that it
makes me think that you're afraid to believe a free to believe this shit?
No, or like, what are you hiding? Yeah? You're part of
this? You into this, You know this stuff. Your family had been
covering this up. Goldman's Yeah, we hide bad ghost story. What's the
through line there? I'm missing it. Maybe the journalists that wrote this,
you know, the New York posts. J Yeah, the New York host
headline for this is Goldman lax jew doesn't believe in plausible ghost story. I'm
trying to look for a better explanation here. I mean, there's none because
it's ghosts. Your last couple episodes have kind of fucked my day up.
Actually, Carahan tape. Yeah this, I'm gonna research this now just to
be like, what the fuck? Is not a lot of firsthand I literally
there's the story all anecdotal. No, it's all. It's all really just
great evidence. Actually, what is an anecdotal from that period? Right?
Everything's anecdotal. I'm gonna bow out. See, Jake just argued himself into
a corner. He is now trapped there. We have once again proven that
ghosts exists. Uh, who's the hitler of today's episode? You? We
actually had a review that said all three of us are hitler? Yeah that
was that was my second place. WHOA why what do we do? Made
a terrible podcast? Yeah? Yeah, we say mean voice an hour of
their every week. I hope we have hate listeners, God, I hope
we do. Look the difference between a hate click and a click is nothing
right? That checks out? Cash is yeah right? Baby? Hate reading
is just paying someone that you hate. Yeah, who's the hitler in this
episode? I think it is the doctor who was also a pastor, who
you know, couldn't take care of his own house. I mean to see
the Rochester New York magazine or whatever that was like, oh, one hundred
years, Like I'm working with the asshole who wrote whatever in the Rochester Democrat
and Chronicle to be like, no, you need one hundred years. Like
he just that respect him just making it up. At least he's not.
He's trying to establish just kind of a guideline. I think they was trying
to, like, it doesn't matter if he's trying to like, it's just
like seeing Oh no, man, it's getting hotter because the sun's getting bigger,
Like is it I don't know, it just sounds right disproven. Uh,
that's actually not totally inaccurate. It does get hotter because the sun gets
what appears to be bigger, because you know, you're part of the hemisphere
or trailed closer. You notice how you preface that with what appears to be
bigger. The sun isn't expanding, Like, what do you expect these fucking
monkey people to know? Well, the universe is constantly expanding. Well,
that's true, but there's a difference between expansion and growth, isn't there.
You tell me the hustle word. Would you guys learn today nothing? You're
hitler and I learned nothing. Ghosts are real? I learned ghosts are real.
And they liked the party. I would love to go to a ghost
part. If I'm want to have a ghost, I might as well have
this as my ghost, right, Like, don't you want to hear too?
Like brawlers in a saloon. It's kind of like some sad old widow
like crying day. Like we're like a banshee I know, Like you know
what though, No, people just fucking wrecked to their cars again driving out
the highway here in that banshee screech. That's fine, I love it.
Yeah again, he's they're essentially going to Arizona and just going to uh kind
of like a wild West shootout. If ghosts for real, no one could
live in the Southeast United States. I'm sorry, just going to three ten
to Yuma every night. Yeah, it sounds fun. God, If ghost
for real, London would be a nightmare. Ghost well, a ghost art
real and b we're gonna we need to stay in a haunted place soon.
London would be a nightmare with ghost because it would be overcrowded. Yeah,
real, population issue, too many ghosts. Although I liked Uh you guys
haven't watched The Haunting of Hill House? Oh yeah you have? What was
the one? The second season of that? It was the Haunting of Blind
Manner. Was that? Oh that one sucks? It was not as good.
But I did like their theory that ghosts just fade away over time.
Remember, like they lost their faces and kind of like slowly bleed out the
last All ghosts throughout time have to commute to work on clock in for ghosting.
They gotta get on the training monsters, inc. But that that's a
great Pixar movie, be I think it would be. Yeah, you mean
that movie that talks about how the world's fueled by the screams of children.
Yeah, like, just imagine the ghosts getting on public transit like uh like
Asia just being jammed into the trains and push them but it can't because you
know. Yeah, Well that's all I got for today. I'm proud to
have convinced you both that goes surreal. Great job. Still I don't believe
in ghosts. Well you will when we stay at a haunted place one I
will be there. Okay, Yeah, we might do Gettysburg because uh we
talked about again who listens as she has friends who work in the park service
there. Oh yeah, so I need to hang out. I want to
hang out in Devil's Den at night, all right, So October obviously,
yeah, because we can't do July. It had to be that or when
the battle happened, and that we have an entire month dedicated to these kind
of ye spooky month. Yeah, but sometimes the activity is stronger when Halloween
harmon, I know, but it's sometimes the activity is stronger when the event
happened and the Battle of Gettysburg is in well less than a month actually,
but uh so yeah, why don't we just go somewhere else haunted. Yeah,
we'll go somewhere else haunted. First we'll gotta be a haunted police.
I mean, we could just go down to the Driscoll for all intensive purposes.
We'll figure it out. Um. But yeah, that is all I
got for Jake Goldman and Dan Rojester. I am their fellow believer, Rob
Fox, and you just got self served