1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,440 What is Kracklakin Hardwin knocks listeners. I am dam Fa Valley coming at you 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,720 once more without my damn tabulous co host Adam frommel I am, however, 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:17,879 continuously excited to keep going with our team. Look Ahead train, We're up 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,760 to the Detroit Pistons. I'm going to be speaking with Lazarus Jackson. He 5 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:25,879 is an editor for Detroit bad Boys. He hosts the Detroit bad Boys podcast. 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,120 He's also the host of the Pistons Versus Everybody podcast under the Blue Wire 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,920 Network. Follow him on Twitter at Last Chance It's at LA z C H 8 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:38,439 A n C. We recorded this podcast about a week ago. That's how 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,000 much of a backlog I have with these episodes we have. Also, if 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,719 anyone wants to know the science behind this, I'm trying to make sure if 11 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:47,719 there are any teams that I'm talking about that could technically do something urgent like 12 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:51,200 sneaking to the Ben Simmons Sweepstakes. I've left most of them. They will 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,759 probably be until the end of this. But if I've spoken with someone and 14 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:57,280 I think that their team is a little bit of a risk to do something, 15 00:00:57,479 --> 00:00:59,479 I have to get them out there just to make sure the Pistons. 16 00:00:59,679 --> 00:01:02,240 I think we're a risk to do anything. Not much has changed over the 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,959 past week. There was the Kig cunning him ankle injury, but he appears 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,079 to be fine. This conversation with Las though, was absolutely fantastic. He's 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,359 one of my favorite people in the world to talk hoops with. Also just 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,120 genuinely a fantastic human being. Has a new sun named Chance. We talk 21 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:19,680 about him to you get his scouting report before we dive into the Detroit Pistons. 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,359 Just want to remind, implore, beg plead everyone to continue rating, 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,599 reviewing, and subscribing to us wherever you get your podcasts, whether you use 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,799 iTunes or not, as long as you have access, we do ask that 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,000 you head over to iTunes search Hardwooknox, throw us that fire star rating, 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,120 writer review, they all help us out. A ton cannot overstate that if 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,640 you have criticism, that is totally fine. 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Lass fantastic, consider throwing us that permanent subscription downloading our episode. 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,360 As we discussed the NBA at large, we are pleasantly sub mediocre and in 36 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:15,800 real in all reality, we aim to be the least sufferable league wide podcast 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,039 possible. That's how you how you gotta keep your goals goals realistic. And 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,039 that's just where we're at. That's enough of me rambling on it as late 39 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:25,560 at night as I've recorded this, so I might be a little bit delirious. 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,080 Let's get into talking about the Detroit Pistons with Lazarus Jackson. Las, 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,159 thank you so much for coming back on the Hardwoo Knox podcast. I believe 42 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:38,240 this is your fifth appearance, if my spreadsheet is correct, because I try 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,000 to make sure I'm not bothering people too many times per year at this point, 44 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:44,759 as I would say, you know, the first couple of times if 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,400 you come back, maybe I tricked you, but it's your fault now that 46 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,960 you've been on so many times. I do endlessly appreciate your time coming on 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,319 and talks in Detroit Pistons. But first and foremost, before we get started, 48 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:58,120 how are you? I am doing extremely well, Dan, thank you 49 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:00,639 for having me on for the fifth time. I'm I am glad you're not 50 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:06,360 sick of me at this point. Please love talking hoops with you. I 51 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,800 do really have a pressing question though, do we have an updated scouting report 52 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:15,840 on Chance? Okay? So Chance Jackson approximately twenty one inches tall, approximately 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:24,159 twelve point seven pounds wingspan is looking a little rough right now, and the 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:30,080 what's his vert? His vert's really poor right now. So I'm thinking he's 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,599 gonna be like a past first point guard. But like, we'll see what 56 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,919 he grows into as time goes on. I guess he has a little bit 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,400 of time, not two decades, to grow into his NBA body. But 58 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,080 that's true. I'm glad to hear he's on the up and up. We're 59 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:49,840 gonna get there. I gotta order the like little plastic basketball hoop you put 60 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:53,479 in every little boy's room. Right Are you gonna let him choose his allegiances 61 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,840 or are you just raising him as a flat out Pistons fan. Oh no, 62 00:03:55,879 --> 00:04:00,120 he's gonna be a Pistons fan. Uh me and my wife. If 63 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,000 my wife is a Michigan fan, I'm a Michigan State fan. And so 64 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,879 like we're gonna try and we're gonna fight over that to see which which she 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,599 ends up choosing. But she doesn't care about pro sports, so like I 66 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:12,879 get all the pro sports. So he's definitely gonna be a Pistons fan. 67 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:15,560 I guess that's good for you, But it's also like you're inflicting that heartache 68 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,000 on him. It almost feels mean, well, it's like I'm not making 69 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:25,600 him be a Lions fan, right like their works. All right, that's 70 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,120 a good compromise. The Pistons, though they had an off season, I'm 71 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,480 curious as too before we sort of get into more of the granular nitty gritty 72 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,040 stuff with them, were there any major thoughts, takeaways, themes, et 73 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,879 cetera from their off season that you just are thinking about as we lead into 74 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,480 the regular season. And I did put this in parentheticals when I sending you 75 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,560 the outline, which since the last time you've come on, I've actually shortened 76 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,040 my outlines even though there's still like five hundred words. They used to be 77 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:55,319 double that. If you can explain my Corey Joseph as a player option, 78 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,399 I will love you and appreciate you forever until the end of time. Troy 79 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:06,079 Weaver really really values relationship building across the NBA, and that is why the 80 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:11,079 piss That's why Corey Joseph as a player option. That's why Blake Griffin is 81 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,519 playing in Brooklyn right now on in the Pistons ab if I remember correctly, 82 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,519 thirty nine million dollars worth of dead Blake Griffin money on their cap. That 83 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:26,199 is why they have approximately four million worth of dead DeAndre Jordan money on their 84 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:30,600 cap right now. Because Troy Weaver likes doing favors in the hope that, 85 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,639 like those favors come back around. Why is that a good? Is that? 86 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,720 Like? I think it's interesting because like we have been so conditioned over 87 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:45,040 the last couple we as like consumers of NBA Twitter and like fans, have 88 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,839 been so conditioned to properly appreciate gms who play like the red paper clip game 89 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,000 where you know the thing where you pay you'd like trade a red paper clip 90 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,160 for a pen, You trade the pen for like a frog, and you 91 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,439 trade the frog for another thing and you end up with the house eventually. 92 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,199 It's like we we've really been uh like instructed to like value gms who like 93 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,079 treat every transaction with like a lot of meaning and like get the most out 94 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:14,480 of out of all the assets available to them. And Troy Weaver like just 95 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,920 does not like play that game. He doesn't care about any of that stuff. 96 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,000 He cares about He's a people person. He cares about the people that 97 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,800 he's he's got on his team, and so like he's he's willing to do 98 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,720 stuff like eat you know, forty million dollars worth of Blake Griffin in order 99 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:31,319 to get the team he wants. You know, so far, so good. 100 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:34,839 It's been one year. We'll like, well, we'll see will things 101 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:38,759 go. I will be the first to tell you you got a little bit 102 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,040 lucky with the plan by getting the number one overall pick. Right like that. 103 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:45,720 It's like like, yeah, all the plans look great if you just 104 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,399 like get the number one pick in a year when it's a good year to 105 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:51,480 get the number one pick. But but so far, like things, things 106 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:58,639 look like they're on the way up. In Detroit, the same amount of 107 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,199 thing surprised me most about out their off season was the say Who trade, 108 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,040 And I'm wondering if that surprised you at all. And I think you were 109 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:10,519 pretty vocal during the season and I even in the last most recent pod you 110 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,040 recorded about how you don't really see what say who is an expert in And 111 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:17,319 I think I would have gotten the move more if there was like a next 112 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:23,160 prospect up type deal. But where those minutes, like is the Trey Lyles 113 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:26,759 like that was the alternative? It's been framed that way on Twitter you talked 114 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:30,360 about a little bit. I'm just how did you feel about that decision. 115 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:38,959 I wasn't surprised or disappointed, especially after the summer league Say who had right? 116 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,519 I think he made like he made like only one three in like four 117 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,480 games and looked to be really improving defensively, But at the same time, 118 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,079 like his offensive role was like he's always just been a guy who cuts into 119 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,199 space and runs down the floor in transition and that's really all you can count 120 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,079 on him to do offensively, And it doesn't seem like that that was enough 121 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:05,560 for Troy Weaver. It was funny. Troy Weaver had a line during media 122 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:07,879 Day. The Pistons media day, which was Monday, he said, if 123 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,120 there were ten players on the roster I really liked, I would have stayed 124 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,199 or they would have stayed. So it's like, obviously he's turned over literally 125 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,680 the entire roster Stak, who was the last guy he inherited when he was 126 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,759 hired as GM. He turned over literally the entire roster in a year, 127 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,279 and it's a pillion. It's plainly because he didn't like any of the dudes 128 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 on the roster that much. And so it's like, sayku is just another 129 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:37,559 casualty of not being you know, under Troy Weaver's favor now, like as 130 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,480 your point about like who gets to like replace him though, it is like 131 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:43,360 very much well taken. It's like, is that Trey Lyles, Like, 132 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:48,639 God, I hope not. I'm not a big Trey Lyles dude, But 133 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,399 you look at some of the other Tray Lyles dude aside from someone related to 134 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,879 Trey Lyles, though, it was like ty Trey Lyles has a pretty high 135 00:08:54,919 --> 00:09:01,039 opinion of himself from from here, so so yes, but like there are 136 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,200 other you look at the guys they put in on the Two Ways, right, 137 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,519 look like Chris Smith and Jamarco Pickett. It's like Jamarco Pickett. What 138 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:13,559 Jamarco Pickett did in Summer League is like basically what I think they wanted Sayku 139 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,000 to do. And so it's like, if we can get that guy in 140 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,279 a two way and we don't have to worry about, you know, the 141 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:24,039 team option on Saku's fourth year, and we can do the Brooklyn Nets a 142 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,799 favor and you know, get four second round picks, which makes up for 143 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:28,759 the four second round picks we sent out in Luke Nard deal. Like every 144 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:31,240 everything turns out in the wash, right, And so I was like, 145 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,759 yeah, it's it wasn't surprising, and it wasn't like it wasn't even really 146 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:39,440 that disappointing, which I guess is disappointing in of itself. I had such 147 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,360 high hopes for Saku when he was initially drafted. Yeah, I think we 148 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,879 could probably go back to a podcast and you and I recorded where you waxed 149 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,759 poetic about say Ku. So it's just it's wild how things can change so 150 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:54,759 quickly. Their biggest, I guess transaction of the summer was shockingly keeping the 151 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,960 number one pick and drafting Kig Cunningham. I know that that caught everybody off 152 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,679 guard, but going into the season, where are there one any impressions that 153 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,440 you have about his game, maybe after watching him in summer League. I 154 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,399 think my main question is, though, do we have any idea of how 155 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:16,399 much license he's immediately going to have over Detroit's offense. That's a good question. 156 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:20,879 I don't think he's going to be I don't think he's going to be 157 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:22,919 the guy like out of the gate. I think it takes like thirty thirty 158 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,559 five games, right, It's it's definitely gonna happen eventually. But like Jeremy 159 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:33,960 Grant again, like Troy Weavers, like handpicked dude from high school with Victor 160 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,919 Oladipo in the DMV area, like, I think Jeremy Grant is still going 161 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,559 to be like the number one optional in this team for the first thirty games 162 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,879 and then as kid gets more comfortable as the team uh, you know, 163 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:50,639 probably doesn't win that much and gets okay with losing in the in the service 164 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:56,240 of throwing things at Kade and like seeing what sticks and seeing what he's able 165 00:10:56,279 --> 00:10:58,320 to accomplish and not able to accomplish. Same thing for a lot of the 166 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,200 other young dudes on the roster, I think like they enter like a timeshare 167 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,440 a one A one B situation, and I think that'll be good for both 168 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,360 guys. Like you you put this in the outline, right, but like 169 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,000 Jeremy Grant really kind of wore down as a primary guy as the year went 170 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:20,879 on after a really strong start, and so I think having another another guy 171 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,480 who can operate as a primary ball handler in Kaide will will be good for 172 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,399 Jeremy Kade. It's so funny, man, Kade makes everybody's life so much 173 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,639 easier, just like by the simple fact of existing. It was so apparent, 174 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,240 like so many times last year, the Pistons just see like another dude 175 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,559 who could get a bucket, and Kade can do that, and you can 176 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,840 also like get other guys buckets, which is like a miracle. They've been 177 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:50,159 like praying for a dude like that for so long and so like, yeah, 178 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,240 it's it's gonna be It's gonna be great. The thing that really, 179 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,240 the thing that's like stood out to me though about Kade and what the team 180 00:11:56,279 --> 00:12:00,080 has been saying and what other people have been saying about him, is like 181 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,720 his his maturity. Right, everybody thinks of him as like this really like 182 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:11,519 well grounded twenty world. He just turned twenty, and so like that is 183 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,279 what I'm really interested to see because you see a lot of like young dudes, 184 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,519 they come into the league. They you know, they were the best 185 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,120 player in their state, they were the best pet player in their conference. 186 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,879 You know, they were a top five pick, and then you hit the 187 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,120 NBA and all of a sudden, like you're the you know, two hundred 188 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,360 and twentieth best player in the league. And a lot of guys that's like 189 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,519 that's a big shock for them. For Kaide is like I think because of 190 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:39,480 his maturity, he's more equipped to handle and like process that shock than other 191 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,279 rookies you might see. And I think that's gonna be that's gonna be huge 192 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,240 for him, especially as we get down like the game, you know, 193 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:52,120 sixty two against Sacramento on the third night, or the like the third game 194 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,200 of a six six game road trip out West, and you're just like I'm 195 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,919 tired, I want to go home, but like kids kids got them into 196 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:03,240 was like no, like we're gonna bring it tonight. And like that's the 197 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,440 thing that I think, like really impresses me the most about him. The 198 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,960 other thing that I liked and so much of so many of my impressions of 199 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,080 kids just based off summer league, because I only go like shin deep into 200 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,639 the draft, was you sort of mentioned how maybe he won't or he won't 201 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,159 have that primary role for almost half the season or as he grows into it. 202 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,200 I think in some cases there could be certain players where if you come 203 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,080 in, they might have a tough time kind of adapting to not being that 204 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,039 alpha. And it felt like his game could be I don't want to go 205 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,519 as far as plug and play, but like it felt like he wouldn't have 206 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,000 that much of an issue not being the guy for points. He was stepping 207 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,279 into catching shoot jumpers and that felt like second nature, or it looked like 208 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,879 second nature to him. And then even I'm just wondering, like maybe Detroit 209 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,080 doesn't necessarily have the requisite other passers around him, but if they got him 210 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:54,360 moving off the ball even more like ducking in for you know, in open 211 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,679 lanes, especially since they have so many more shooters on the roster, it 212 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,080 just feels like he could have a really big impact as someone offensively, as 213 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,519 someone who is not you're a primary ball handler. Yeah, and like in 214 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,399 that same vein right uh per summer league, it doesn't look like he'll be 215 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,720 rock bottom terrible on defense either, which is also like a really big reason 216 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,120 why rookie struggle in the NBA. They're like constantly getting cooked and that's hard 217 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:24,600 on your mental But it seems like Kade, you know, is involved and 218 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,159 engaged and then like communicating on the defensive end in a way that we like 219 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,440 don't typically see from rookies. And so I also think like that that's that's 220 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,240 just like one more thing that like elevates the floor on him. He so 221 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,840 well, I mean, let's go to German grants that you mentioned him already. 222 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:45,360 Do you think this roster is just now better students to maximize him. 223 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,519 I guess you mentioned that he'll enter being the number one option again, and 224 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:54,440 he look he I destroyed him for taking the same money that the Pistons were 225 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,840 offering him in search of a large role, because I just assumed that he 226 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:01,600 didn't have like more layer or the ability to really broaden his offensive skill set, 227 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,000 and to his credit, he did, like even though he faded down 228 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,840 the stretch of the season. I don't think we ever envisioned him taking or 229 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:11,799 I never envision him taking as many pull up jumpers or working in isolation as 230 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:16,480 much and it just you know, sort of working. And but now you 231 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:20,360 have Kade next to him, maybe if Killian Hayes is fully healthy, it 232 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:24,879 does feel like they've opened up the floor around him. And so I don't 233 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,360 know whether it's reasonable to expect him to replicate what he did last year, 234 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,720 but it does feel like when this roster really comes together, if it's mid 235 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:35,360 season and Kade is in his bag, that if he's able to be nudged 236 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,960 down to like the number two for points, that this could be a big 237 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,799 year for him, or that could be the role for which he's actually best 238 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,759 suited. No, yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. 239 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:52,039 Jeremy was so impressive last years as a score as a guy who got to 240 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,120 the line as much as he did. That was the thing that really really 241 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,600 drove the point home for me, as he was getting the line like seven 242 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,679 eight times a game, which is just like something we hadn't had in Detroit 243 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,200 out of a primary ball hindler in a long time. But at the same 244 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:12,519 time, Jeremy Grant was most efficient and more more confident when the Pistons had 245 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:18,480 Blake Griffin and when teams were inexplicably still like double teaming Blake like he was 246 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:23,679 Blake right when when Blake left, when Derrick Rose left, or when Blake 247 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:26,399 left and Derrick Rose was traded. I should I should be more honest. 248 00:16:27,559 --> 00:16:33,159 Just theres so much of the creation burden night in and night out fell on 249 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,759 Jeremy's shoulders, and he he has talked openly about how that was like a 250 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,480 really that was a really hard burden for him to carry and something he had 251 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:45,000 never done before in his NBA careers, and like, so you know, 252 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,240 despite being a seven year VET an eight year VET now, it was like 253 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,039 he was like living in an entirely different NBA experience than what he was used 254 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:59,159 to. And so I I am also hopeful that like ka Kade is able 255 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,960 to like unshow or some of that burden for him, I'm hopeful that Killian 256 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,400 is able to unshortle some of that will We'll see if that ends up happening. 257 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:15,920 But at the same time, like I think Jeremy, like, we 258 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,839 we still have like layers to see, we still got to peel back some 259 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,599 more layers on, like the Jeremy grant onion right, if he can, 260 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,920 if he can maintain the production. He was showing off earlier in the year, 261 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,240 getting the free throw line as much. I think with Kade there's a 262 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,759 chance he can be you can get better percentages from three out of him. 263 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:37,039 He was much better as a catch and shoot three point shooter than an off 264 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:41,279 the dribble three point shooter, and so you can you can get him more 265 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,079 catch and shoot looks with Kade, and like that will make him more efficient. 266 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,799 It was like, yeah, I think, and he really and the 267 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:52,759 amount of energy he had to expand an offense really impacted his defense. He 268 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,440 was a good defensive player earlier in the year and that kind of that kind 269 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,319 of waned as the season went on, and so you would like to see 270 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,640 him be able to engage on both ends meaningfully, like throughout the entirety of 271 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,640 the season. But like then again, if the Pistons are bad, if 272 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,359 the Pistons are you know, fifteen and thirty after forty five games, like 273 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,559 I doubt you see Jeremy Grant like finish out the year. And just like 274 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,599 he didn't really finish out the year last year. You mentioned Killy and Hayes 275 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,240 I aside from like the gather step three he hit against the Knicks in Vegas 276 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,000 or whatever that was. Twitter was not kind to him very summer league. 277 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,359 They were not really kind him during the regular season. I actually wrote something 278 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,839 very miniature about Killy and Hayes in the offseason, and just watching him, 279 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,960 I still like him. Like it feels like when he gets into the lane 280 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:45,279 that defenses react and I just it feels like there's a better decision maker, 281 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,880 better shooter, just better player in there than what we've seen. How do 282 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,920 you feel, what are you looking to see from him in year two? 283 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,519 Just what are your general you know, the thoughts on him after what you 284 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:59,480 saw last year, which, by the way, it was a rookie season 285 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:04,759 that was derailed a large part of it by his right hip issue. Yeah, 286 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:11,200 I remain optimistic on Killian, but I do think it's good that Kate 287 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:17,799 is here because Kate is a better prospect than Killian, and so you don't 288 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:22,519 necessarily have to worry if Killian doesn't work. It's not crippling in the way 289 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,160 it would be if you picked fifth this year and ended up with like, 290 00:19:29,079 --> 00:19:37,400 uh who went fifth that Barnes. Yeah, if you ended up with like 291 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,359 Jonathan Kamiga, Right, it's not nearly as crippling to the team is as 292 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:47,119 ending up with kid. But like with that said, the thing people always 293 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,839 like wonder is like if Kade and Killian will fit together. It was really 294 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:56,119 funny to me in Vegas is like again, I'm watching I'm watching these Vegas 295 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,799 games like in isolation, like not on social media, like not really seeing 296 00:19:59,839 --> 00:20:02,759 what people are saying. It's like I just got like chance in my lap 297 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:04,160 and like I got the game on and like that's how I'm trying to process 298 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,640 all this stuff. So like when I look at what other people said later, 299 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,359 it's like a lot of people so I looked at like Mike Schmidts and 300 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,160 like san Vissini for example, were like all up in arms that like Killian 301 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:21,880 had the ball too much, Kade like wasn't initiating the offense enough, and 302 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,839 that like that was like that was what like what makes Kaide special is his 303 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,440 ability to create shots for others. He didn't get the chance to do that 304 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,319 with Killian dribbling the air out of the ball, and like the Pistons are 305 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:37,319 gonna have to bench Killian Hayes eventually, which was like not like Killian statistically 306 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,839 didn't have a great summer League so like I can't say, like that's completely 307 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,799 wrong, but like what I noticed was that Killian was the only guy in 308 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,680 Vegas who made an effort to make Kade's life any easier, right, Like 309 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:59,119 the Pistons didn't really have any amazing like pick and roll partners for kaideh. 310 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:02,880 They eventually, like Luca Garza was entered into the starting lineup, and like 311 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,759 that partnership worked well, but it took him two games to figure that out 312 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:07,880 too, out of the like he only played three games, right, And 313 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,480 so what I saw was like killing is the dude, like getting Kaide open, 314 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:15,880 catch and shoot triples, right, Killing is the dude in the New 315 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,279 York game, like getting the offensive rebound, kicking it to a wide open 316 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,160 Kaide in the corner, and Kaide is like knocking down his like seventh or 317 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:29,680 eight three, right, And so I think we talked about like with Kaide, 318 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:34,039 his ability to make his teammates better, but also like the ability for 319 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,240 like what he needs is other people to make things easy on him, especially 320 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:40,839 like as he goes into the league for the first time. And I think 321 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:47,079 I think Killian can do that. You you think about like kid gets compared 322 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:48,480 to Luca don Chech a lot, right, you got compared a lot to 323 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:53,319 Luca Dante in the pre draft process. Luca is a better player than Kaide. 324 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:59,200 He's a better prospect than Kade at that age. But what and like 325 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,720 Luke is all NBA MVP candidate, like ridiculous player. But you think about 326 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:10,720 what Dallas has been looking for next to Luca for a long time, and 327 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:14,640 it's another guard who can take some of the ball handling duties out of his 328 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,039 hands so he doesn't have to do it for forty eight minutes. Right. 329 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,680 They've they've gone through like Jalen Bronson, Seth Curry, Trey Burke, our 330 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,839 old friend Delon Wright. They drafted Tyrell Terry, like they've they've been looking 331 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,000 for a dude to like take the ball out of Luca's hands so that Luca 332 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,039 has like more energy to do stuff like when it counts. Like I think 333 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,599 Killian can be that type of player four Kaide, And I think having that 334 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:44,359 type of player around at the outset of his career makes Kade a better player 335 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,680 now and in the future. I like it. The optimism. I still 336 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,720 believe in him. And I was gonna, you know, i'd ask you 337 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:53,440 about to fit me outline. So I'm glad that you think that there's like 338 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,759 a pathway actually making it work. And I think it look if if Kaide 339 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:00,079 is going to play the way he didn't, I'm real legal at least kind 340 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,079 of have the moments where he was shooting off the catch the way he did. 341 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:06,799 I don't know if you would call it seamless, but it does feel 342 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:10,799 like this shouldn't be an overcomplicated fit. And it's not like Jeremy Grant isn't 343 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:12,599 used to working without the ball either, So you're not really trying to sandwich 344 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:19,039 three guys with overlapping proclivities together. Right. It's like okay, like you 345 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,359 ask, like any NBA coach, It's like, okay, I have a 346 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,519 six five playmaker and I have a six seven playmaker, Like how do I 347 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:27,480 make those guys like work together? And the coaches like staring that you blankly, 348 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,000 like you, what are you talking about? Like those guys should fit 349 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,799 together? Just fine? It's like, yeah, they should. Well, 350 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,079 it just remains to be seen if Killian like can put the ball in the 351 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:42,640 basket more often. He did shoot upon returning from his right hip issue forty 352 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,160 seven point four percent from ten to fourteen feet. That is what I'm latching 353 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,359 onto. And if you want to know why I was scrolling through the data, 354 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,240 I was writing something about him and I needed to cherry pick something positive 355 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,759 for him from the semi perimeter, and that's what I ended up with. 356 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,720 He gets to that area quite nicely as well. I feel like I would 357 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,000 have I've probably said it's already ten times. I'll say ten times more. 358 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:04,400 But among the things that surprised me with the Pistons, and so many things 359 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,039 surprised me about them last year, I found them pleasantly watchable and I thought 360 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:11,680 they were going to be awful. We'll get Toysia Steward in a second. 361 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,119 I mean they were top ten and crunch time minutes played before the All Star 362 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,400 break. They weren't winning, but they were in more competitive games than people 363 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,039 were crediting them for. Sadique Bay might have been the biggest surprise to me. 364 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,720 Just a much quicker decision maker on offense, and there were more more 365 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,160 ball skills. They're not where I would be like, Okay, let's put 366 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,000 him in isolation again and again, but he just has some like spins and 367 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,599 misdirections and no, it's not always clean, but I just never viewed him 368 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:40,079 as that type of player. And he seems so willing to get up threes 369 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,640 on offense, just like there was real volume there. Do you think the 370 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,359 Pistons were gonna try and plumb more of his offensive depth or does the addition 371 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,640 of Kaide and a healthy Killion kind of shoehorn him into more of that accessory 372 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,279 duty. Now, I think they'll try. You kind of have to try, 373 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,480 right. They tried it a little bit in Vegas in Summer League. 374 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,400 It didn't go amazingly, it went fine. I go back and forth on 375 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,240 that, by the because I alway like Desmond Baine in Memphis getting to run 376 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,880 all these pick and rolls. I'm like, they need to try that. 377 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,279 But then I'm like, all right, well, look at the rest of 378 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,000 the summer league roster. This is why Desmond Baine is running all these pick 379 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:18,519 and rolls. Right, It's like it's like, if there's anything there, 380 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,839 if there's any there there at all, Right, that makes Sadique a much 381 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:29,440 more valuable player if he can shoulder even like a little bit of creation stuff 382 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:33,720 from from Kaide, from Jeremy, from Killian. That's so that's so useful 383 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:38,079 that you want to see if you can do it or not. And ultimately 384 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,519 I don't think there will be like a ton of that stuff this year. 385 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,599 Physically, sadiqu is more of like a bullyball like kind of bull you over, 386 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,079 post you up, like spin around you and one type of guy rather 387 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,359 than like a guy who's gonna like, uh, move on the catch, 388 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,200 like take two dribbles and kind of like glide to the rim and finish over 389 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,680 somebody. So like physically is like a little bit limited in what he can 390 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,680 do as far as like an off ball guy. But like we see, 391 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:12,240 we've seen like not amazing NBA athletes still end up being like good creation guys. 392 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:18,079 I'm thinking of like Chris Middleton and like Dmarda rozen through pure like skill 393 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,480 and touch, and I think Sadiq has an opportunity to get to like some 394 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:27,839 of that stuff. I don't. I like Sadiq a lot. I don't 395 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,240 think the I don't think the addition of like Kaide like puts any kind of 396 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,759 like limit on his game. I think he's just gonna do like what he's 397 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,880 asked to do and like what he thinks the team needs to do for him, 398 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,240 for what the team needs of him in order to win, and for 399 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,359 now that's going to involve like a lot of like catch and shoot threes, 400 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,079 But like I hope it's an area of his game he ends up developing, 401 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,799 just because, like like I said, if there's any there there, it's 402 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,799 so valuable. But yeah, Sadike's really good. Are they going to test 403 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,079 him? And I know they have Jeremy Grant here, and I also know 404 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,920 he was a rookie of that season, So I'm not I'm trying not to 405 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,680 read it, but are they going to test him a little bit more defensively? 406 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:08,599 Because I was just kind of surprised, like when you look at a 407 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,960 lot of the matchup stuff he did last year, I didn't feel like he 408 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,119 was baptized by fire or throwing to the wolves as often as I thought that 409 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,440 he would. On a team like Detroit, they put him in position to 410 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:25,279 succeed a lot like He's not like some like on ball stopper, he has 411 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,519 trouble with like smaller quicker dudes, And so I think, how you get 412 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,240 the most out of him on that end as you continue that, I could 413 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:37,200 him put him on bigger wings and maybe the answer could even be like sliding 414 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:42,279 him up to four and seeing like him use that leverage, that like strength 415 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:48,319 of that athleticism, like against guys cutting the basket against some like bigger wings. 416 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,319 As a rebounder, he was like he was an okay rebounder, not 417 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,880 an amazing rebounder, but he like he's a he does. He has great 418 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,480 rebounding technique, but like so often he was on the perimeter and not able 419 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,799 to use it. So I think that there's a chance you see him like 420 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:08,119 slide up in some lineups and get better, get better use out of like 421 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:15,920 his skills on defense. That way, when we recorded this podcast last season 422 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,839 or before last season, I'm pretty sure I dumped all over Isaiah Stewart. 423 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,960 I just was not high on him as an NBA prospect. He moved so 424 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,119 well on defense, he impressed the hell out of me. They experimented with 425 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,799 him taking shots from from three pistons. Fans in Hardwood Knox's YouTube section have 426 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,559 claimed that he is going to be an All Star one day. Is he 427 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,160 going to start this year following the departure of Mason Plumley, And what are 428 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,039 you sort of looking to see from him this season as a sophomore. So 429 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,000 to be fair, to you. I was also not super impressed with the 430 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,039 Isaiah Stewart selection, and he just like immediately like outstripped all of my expectations 431 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,000 for him. And so like, yeah, do I think he's gonna be 432 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,279 an All Star someday? Like probably? Not, You're gonna go with probably 433 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:04,319 and just stop. It was like, does that make me a bad Pistons 434 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,759 fan if I think that? Like the I was just there. It's always 435 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,440 surprises me, like even in YouTube comment sections who people cape for, and 436 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,319 it was just I thought we were high on Isaiah Stewart in the middle of 437 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,640 the season, but it turns out we we weren't high enough. Well, 438 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,480 it's like if you ask Pistons fans right, like, they've got the have 439 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:27,880 you seen the have you seen the Creation of Isaiah Stewart? So you know 440 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,119 the you know, the the Da Vinci photo the creation of Man, right, 441 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,799 the picture of like God reaching out touching Adam and Adam like reaching out 442 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,279 touching God. Yeah, so they've made that with Isaiah Stewart and Ben Wallace. 443 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,480 That's what Pistons fans think of Isaiah Stewart, right, Like they think 444 00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:49,759 like this is this is twenty twenty. Ben Wallace just like beaten dudes up 445 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,319 blocking shots around the room and shooting threes. Ben Wallace with threes, that's 446 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,400 Isaiah Stewart. Pistons fans love Isaiah Stewart. Man. Do I think Isaiah 447 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,079 Stewart's Ben Walls the threes? I don't. I'm encouraged that Ben Wallas is 448 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,680 like apparently hanging around the team and like willing to mentor Isaiah. That's really 449 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,839 cool. He was at he was at training camp today. It's like, 450 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,680 and he's going to be around more often. It's like, that's dope. 451 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,880 Is not mentoring him. That's how good Isaiah Stewart might be. But like, 452 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,200 the thing I want from Isaiah in year two is to be more assertive 453 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:29,400 offensively, Like don't want him to score like twenty points at night? No, 454 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,880 But do I want him to take like nine shots at night instead of 455 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,119 six? Like yeah, you saw late in the season they started using him 456 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:44,720 as like a pick and pop threat more us like any anybody like national who 457 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,920 is like wait, what like Isaiah Stewart was shooting threes? Like go watch 458 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,599 the late season game against Dallas, right, uh, Chris stops perzingis Boba 459 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,640 Marianovitch Dwight Pile, Like none of those guys wanted to like leave the paint 460 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,279 and guard Isaiah Stewart on the perimeter. And he hit like three threes and 461 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,559 people were like losing their minds on Twitter. But the thing with Isaiah that 462 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,920 you saw as the as they started doing that more was that if his like 463 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,720 footwork wasn't absolutely pristine, like he wouldn't shoot right even if he was wide 464 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,799 open, if he wasn't able to get if he hadn't done it the way 465 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,880 he'd repped it out in practice, he like couldn't do it, And like 466 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,319 what I wanted him, what I want from him is like see him like 467 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:32,519 try to do it even if it's not like completely perfect, He's got to 468 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,480 let it fly a little bit more. I mean, I think a majority 469 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,559 of the three they were coming from above the break too, So that's and 470 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,880 I guess those are like the typical pick and pop situations. But if he's 471 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,480 gonna be able to up the volume, but even if it's if he stays 472 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,319 around the thirty three percent or whatever it was, and it's just more volume, 473 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,240 that does a lot to open up the floor. Still at the center 474 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,319 position. I think that's a number where defense is opposing centers would be forced 475 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,279 to guard him. Yeah, and like that, and the Pistons have really 476 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:05,440 prioritize shooting this offensive, this shooting this off season in a way that they 477 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,079 hope opens up like driving lanes for Kaden Killian. Again, guys who are 478 00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:15,920 like good NBA athletes but not elite level NBA athletes, but like even even 479 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,079 like Caden Killian can get to the rim and score if you're big, has 480 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,880 to leave the paint to worry about Isaiah Stewart on the pick and pop. 481 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,720 Right. The other thing about Isaiah Stewart two, and this was the thing 482 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:28,480 I thought I was gonna be lowest on is he feels like I know, 483 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,200 people, you know, we seem like the block highlights, but he just 484 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:35,960 covers or can cover so much ground in the pick and roll where he's a 485 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,400 real deterrent. Like it's not just shot blocking, it's like he's kind of 486 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,400 mucking up possessions before they ever reached the rim and just becomes like this functional 487 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,680 rim protector through that way. And so I looked this up and I'm sure 488 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,799 it's a stat that you might already know. And if you don't, maybe 489 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,079 you hate it, but he or the excuse me, Pistons opponents took five 490 00:32:55,119 --> 00:33:01,279 point two percentage five point two percent fewer of their shots came at the rim. 491 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:07,200 With Isaiah Stewart on the floor, that's the second highest mark among everyone 492 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,839 who logged at least one thousand minutes last year, and only Rudy Gobert was 493 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,960 in front of him. So the opponent frequency with which they attempted shots at 494 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720 the room drop by five point two point two percent. With Stewart on the 495 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,079 floor and watching it, it's like, no, I don't think he's the 496 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,200 next Rudy Gobert, but watching the way he can kind of play on defensive, 497 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,599 which is something I clearly just never saw before. You know, he 498 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,440 actually took the floor for the for the NBA. That feels like accurate that 499 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,039 he was impacting the game in that type of way. Yeah, I didn't 500 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,480 know that exact statistic like that. That's me stammering through it probably didn't help. 501 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:40,519 But no, no, no, no, no, I get you. 502 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,079 But you're you're right in that, like because he's not like six ten, 503 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,119 or because he's not like seven feet tall and he doesn't have like an 504 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,599 eight foot wingspan or whatever. It's people don't think of Isaiah Stewart as like 505 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,119 a rim protector or an amazing defender. But he does have a really like 506 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,960 wide wingspan for his height. I believe he's he's he's listed at six nine, 507 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,920 and I think his wingspan is like seven to four, so he's got 508 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:13,880 like a plus six or seven wingspan. And his hands are huge and real 509 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,599 strong, and so like you could see you could see times whereas like if 510 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:21,199 he if he gets his hands, if he's like swiping on the as he's 511 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,239 like swiping as he retreats on the pick and roll, like that makes an 512 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,679 impact on guards because they're like, oh crap, Like he could definitely like 513 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,719 bust up this. He could definitely bust up me trying to snake this pick 514 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,599 and roll, And so they have to have to take that into account so 515 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,280 that that statistic does not surprise me. It surprises me like it's at that 516 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,800 level, but like, yeah, I would have believed it. Also, 517 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,480 like Mason Plumley was not an amazing m protector for the Pistons last year, 518 00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:45,760 they might have something to do with it as well. I Mean, Mason 519 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,119 Plumbley is just not a good room protector in general, I don't think apologies 520 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,920 if you're answered this already, but I'm assuming I really sign Kelly Olynick, 521 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,360 but getting rid of Mason Plumly, I would think sort of implies that Stewart 522 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,519 will start if his ankle is good. And do you expect him Olyn to 523 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,239 log time together? Yeah, yes, I expect Stewart to start, if 524 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,519 not immediately, then like eventually, like within the first if not like game 525 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:15,599 one, within the first ten games, right, And Dwayne Casey did say 526 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,800 during media day that he expects that there will be some Canadian Beef stew lineups 527 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:27,159 available for the Pistons. They will play a Link and Stewart together. I'm 528 00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,519 I'm interested to see how those lineups go. I hope they choose not to 529 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:35,719 lean on those lineups just because, like, those are really the only two 530 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,960 centers on the roster. I don't think Luca Garza is ready to play in 531 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,719 the NBA like right now, and like I don't want to play tray Lyles 532 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,119 at five under any circumstance, and so putting both of your centers on the 533 00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,360 floor at the same time doesn't sound like an amazing move to me, But 534 00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:58,360 I get why they want to do it. Just to see if Isaiah Stewart 535 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,039 can cover four is basically shoe warning three players together just because the Pistons have 536 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,280 so many, just like odds, and ends to tie up who's more important 537 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,639 to this team sabingly Josh Jackson or Hamadudayalo. And as I mentioned in the 538 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,639 outline, I try to admit when I just don't have a feel for anything 539 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,039 or a player, if I really just don't know something, and maybe I 540 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,360 haven't watched enough of hammadud Yallo, I do not understand what he brings offensively 541 00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,400 just in general. So if you can explain that to me, well, 542 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,519 no, you were right, you had it right in the outline. It's 543 00:36:28,559 --> 00:36:32,239 rim. Pressure just doesn't look it doesn't aesthetically please me. I guess that 544 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:40,039 that's totally fair. But the athletic dimension that Hami offers in the half court 545 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,840 is something that the Pistons like don't have elsewhere on the roster. Right, 546 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:51,599 Like Jeremy Grant is probably the only other guy who can like bend a defense 547 00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:55,119 like that in the half court, like simply because like he's driving and Jeremy 548 00:36:55,159 --> 00:37:02,760 Grant draws a lot more defensive attention than Hamadu Yalu does for Obvia's reasons. 549 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,480 If like, because like I do think Hommy is the most important out of 550 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,000 those three dudes. If I think like there was a real chance at the 551 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:17,199 Pistons ended up with like Evan Mobley instead of Kay Cunningham, I think there's 552 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:22,199 a real chance Hommedy Homedyo could have been like the day one starter at shooting 553 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,639 Guard. And like Troy Weaver obviously likes him, liked him in Oklahoma City 554 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,920 enough to take him, liked him enough in Detroit to trade for him at 555 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,719 a relatively low cost, so he caught on in Toronto. That's right, 556 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,960 that was a that was believe. Yeah, I like spe speed was nice. 557 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,639 It would have been. It would have been nice to have a guy 558 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:49,239 who made threes as much as f did. Uh two years ago, not 559 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,519 last year? Last year he was he was terrible, So you understand why 560 00:37:52,559 --> 00:38:00,119 they made the trade. But yeah, Hommy's so athletic and nobody can and 561 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,639 if he gets like any sort of advantage in the half court, nobody can 562 00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:07,320 stay in front of him. And between Kate and Killian, you have guys 563 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,880 who create advantages for their teammates for a living. And so the thought process 564 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:17,840 there is just like you know, run a pick and roll slud passatami. 565 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,599 On the week side, he's got like an advantage. He drives to the 566 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:29,400 basket and just like creates pressure that like otherwise wouldn't exist. I like Josh 567 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,639 Jackson. I like Josh Jackson a lot. I love Josh Jackson college. 568 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:38,679 He still should have been a spartan. He talked openly at media day about 569 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:43,280 how like important and cool it was for him to be back home to be 570 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,079 playing for the Detroit Pistons, something he like thought about since he was a 571 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,920 kid. And so like, I think it's really cool that Josh Jackson's on 572 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,599 the team, and I hope he stays around. But at this point, 573 00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:55,679 it's pretty clear that like he's just a guy, right like the the league 574 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,679 below league average three point percentage over the last four year. It's just like 575 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:06,840 that just pigeonholes him into being like just a guy. Territory and savings savings 576 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,320 really interesting. Saban had a really good summer league when uh, like Killian 577 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,079 did not and so like, and there there were there were spots last year 578 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:22,639 where Saban played like really well against like legitimate NBA competition and so like you 579 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:27,360 could be forgiven for being like, like why did they resign Corey Joseph when 580 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,639 like saving Lee is standing right there. But I think that they think that 581 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,800 Saban's like not quite ready for prime time or just yet. The shot is 582 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,320 a work in progress. You saw you saw in Vegas he was like trying 583 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,679 a bunch of like off the dribble threes. They didn't always go in. 584 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,760 He had like the game against the Lakers, he was like firing away and 585 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,599 they were hitting and that opened up everything and you saw why, Like you 586 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,760 saw why he's trying him right, because if people have to jump out on 587 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,800 screens on him, he's gonna yam on somebody. But at the same time, 588 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,559 like that's something that needs to be developed over the core to like another 589 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,960 season in the G League. And so I don't think. I don't think 590 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,599 Saban plays like a major role for the Pistons this year, but they liked 591 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,679 him enough to sign him to like a real NBA contract. He's no longer 592 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,679 on a two way, and I do think that they think of him as 593 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,599 like a very important developmental piece for them moving forward. I think I might 594 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,000 like him the best of these three, to be honest with you, just 595 00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:28,199 looking at that, I mean, that's wrong. If he could finish better 596 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,719 around the rim, because he does put that rim pressure and he got to 597 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,079 them when I was looking, he got to the line at a higher clip, 598 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,679 and I thought, so, if he can, you know, turn 599 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,800 into just like a like an operable three point shooter where you can count on 600 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,280 him for more than one attemphs per thirty six minutes, he would just intrigue 601 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,679 me a lot more Like as I told you, I either him out on 602 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,199 Habit or Viallo or I don't even know who he is, I guess, 603 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,320 and then I would agree with you that Josh Jackson feels like just a guy. 604 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,880 I guess. Their roster though, when you look at sort of the 605 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,400 front court depth that is built to get a little weird, Like do we 606 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,559 see Josh Jackson play like some real minutes of the four this year? Just 607 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,599 they run out of actual bigs pretty quickly quickly. Yeah, I mean, 608 00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:13,199 I think he said in the past he doesn't want to do that. I 609 00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,199 don't know if that matters or not, but I don't think it's something that 610 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,360 like he feels comfortable doing, and I don't think the team will will ask 611 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,199 that of him. But I think it's something he could do in a pinch. 612 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,239 But yeah, yeah, now, And the other thing about Saban was 613 00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:32,840 is his playmaking. Right with with as hard and as fast as he drives, 614 00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:38,800 he's still able to like use pace. He really impressed me with the 615 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,480 way that he was like able to leverage the threat of his speed and like 616 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:45,280 playmate for others. And he did that in the NBA and he did that 617 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,519 in Summer League and so like, there's there's a lot to like with Saban 618 00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:52,159 Lea, You're not wrong to think like he might be the most intriguing out 619 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,280 of those guys. Is just like my so James Edwards, the third at 620 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,119 the Athletic, the the beat writer for the Pistons for the athlet he is 621 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:04,320 a he's I don't know. He would not say he's a big fan of 622 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,360 Hommy Dudiallo because you're not allowed to be fans of anybody for the team you 623 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:13,159 cover. But he thinks Hommy has like a real path to start him if 624 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:17,639 he ever gets the shot together. And it's it is kind of easy, 625 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,599 it's easier to see like, but if you have Sabin and Tommy, like 626 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:28,119 two guys who can't who are not known for their ability to shoot. But 627 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,840 if, if, and if they both ever learned to shoot, you you 628 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:37,079 do kind of see how Hommy will be better than Saban. Yes, so 629 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,400 much of what Hommy could be just feels too theoretical. And since Saban he's 630 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,440 been in the league not as long, I just tend to favor him. 631 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,639 And there's also I still think he feels like it's weird, not weird. 632 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,519 It was an awesome wraparound pass to to Beef stew in one game. Like 633 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,920 he said, he's driving so hard and there can be defensive overreaction, but 634 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,679 the fact that he's able to make a play like that, that's like one 635 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,320 of the like the flash Bowl moments that I remember of watching from him. 636 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,119 This, in my question, just combined players to cover as much ground as 637 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:07,400 possible. Here. Who intrigues you more for the Pistons long term among Luka 638 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,079 Garza, Cassius Stanley or Jamarco Pickett. Uh those none of those answers are 639 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,400 correct. The answer is Chris Smith. Chris Smith is the answer we were 640 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,840 looking for. Christmas is the kid out of UCLA undrafted free agent they have 641 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,480 on a two way. He tours ACL in January, but Prior to that, 642 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:30,719 people had first round grades on Chris Smith six nine wing, rapidly improving 643 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:37,519 three point shooter. Wasn't was getting asked to do like a little bit more 644 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:40,800 with the ball in his hands. And I thought like that with with positive 645 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,639 returns so far in college, like prior to the injury, and so I 646 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:49,760 think there's a ton of upside there with Chris Smith. And I'm really curious 647 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,679 to see what he looks like. He's not ready yet when he spoke to 648 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,920 him media day, like, he's still he's still in rehab will or he's 649 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,920 still rehabbing the injury. Sorry that that sounds way worse than it actually is. 650 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,239 But so he tore the a c L in January, which means you'll 651 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,880 probably see him back for the cruise in like January sometime. Yeah, I 652 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,119 think I'm really intrigued by Chris Smith. I'm also probably the only Pistons person 653 00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:22,199 you could have invited on the podcast that would not say Luca Garza. Uh, 654 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,239 Pistons fans super duper love them some. Luca Garza and Luca Garza, 655 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,039 you know, made second team all All Vegas. What do you call the 656 00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:36,920 Summer League All NBA teams? All rookie teams. I don't know. I 657 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,559 think it's just all summer league teams. I don't I don't think it's anything 658 00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:43,199 fancy, and clearly that honor is telltale of what's going to happen next. 659 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:53,639 Is very productive offensively and still limited defensively in a way that gives me huge, 660 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,000 huge pause for a big man having any kind of success at the NBA 661 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:05,000 level. But because he's a big man who strokes threes, and his fiery 662 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,840 and his dad is really active on Twitter, like Pistons fans, no seriously, 663 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,800 like Pistons fans have been really engaging with with Luca Garza's dad on Twitter. 664 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,039 It's awesome. But like Pistons fans love the guy, and so you 665 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,360 know, I'm willing. I'm willing to see what he's got, but I 666 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:29,639 just remain like I've seen I've seen players like Luca Garza fail in the NBA 667 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,119 so often that like, I don't know if Luca gars is like that one 668 00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,079 in a million dude, but I'm totally willing to give him the chance though, 669 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,920 Like he works his butt off. You know. The summer league thing 670 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,079 was he lost thirty pounds in preparation for playing in the NBA to you know, 671 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,880 cover more ground, and it kind of seemed like there's sometimes it was 672 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,800 like working, but like again at summer league, and like when you get 673 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,400 to actual NBA competition, even actual like bench players in the NBA are much 674 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,159 much better than the competition you face in summer league, and so like, 675 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,960 I just remained doubtful. So if you're just like squeezing together like all the 676 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:06,079 dudes the Pistons have in the two ways, and the guy that took in 677 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:07,920 the second round, Chris Smith, is the one with the most upside for 678 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,960 me? What is the lowdown on Isaiah Livers? Do they he has two 679 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,280 guaranteed years? I believe? Am I wrong? And so do they just 680 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,920 really trust that once he's healthy his shooting is going to translate? I think? 681 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,480 So? Yeah, he was. He was an elite level college catch 682 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,920 and shoot three point shooter, and so like I think there's there's a huge 683 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:32,519 potential for like a thoroughly unremarkable ten year and be a career for right, 684 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,840 Isaiah Livers has enormous Tony Snell energy. Oh except maybe he'll actually shoot it. 685 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:45,119 If feels like Tony Snell is solo volume that well, yeah, nah, 686 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,239 yeah, no, that's true. Yeah, except yeah, he'll he'll 687 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,719 actually shoot it. We've reached the cookie cutter portion of the podcast, which 688 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,079 are the staple questions I ask on every single preview. I know this, 689 00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,559 this is a question that's always loaded because things will change this and goes on. 690 00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:02,199 But leading into the year, who would you build as the player most 691 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,199 likely to get traded from this team before the deadline? See, this question 692 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,239 is cookie cutter for most teams, right, because most teams like have a 693 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:15,719 dude who's underperformed for a while that fans expect to be gone. The Pistons 694 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,079 have traded everybody and it brought in a whole new roster over the last twelve 695 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,280 months, and so like, I don't know, man, a lot of 696 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:28,280 these dudes could get traded. I think if you if you look at the 697 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,360 roster, the guy that makes the most sense to me is Frank Jackson, 698 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,239 a guy who haven't really talked about yet, however long we are into the 699 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,719 podcast, but who had a really good season for the Pistons last year in 700 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,119 a different role than I think he was billed at he was billed as previously 701 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,360 in his career. He turned himself like he was build as a point guard, 702 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,360 right, They tried him as a point guard. That didn't work, 703 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:57,039 so he turned himself into a Langston Galloway clone and that worked much much better 704 00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:01,119 for Frank and for the Pistons. He only makes three million dollars a year. 705 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,800 Lots of teams could use a Linkston Galloway clone for three million dollars a 706 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,199 year, and so like, yeah, you could definitely see Frank getting traded 707 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:15,119 and like nothing nothing like nothing being bad about that. Just like you know, 708 00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:19,280 Hommy's playing over him, Kaid's playing over him. Uh, you know, 709 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,159 Killian and Kaden and Cojo are all in the back court and just like 710 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,960 Frank's not getting any minutes and another team could use the scoring, right, 711 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,320 Like, nothing wrong with Frank is just like it's NBA business. Yeah, 712 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,199 I mean they're they're like not really built for a trade there. Their highest 713 00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:38,760 paid player is Blake Griffin's dead money, and then they're their fifth highest paid 714 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,920 players Killian Hayes at five point six million. I would have went with Josh 715 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,280 Jackson just because of the expiring contract and maybe he has an outlier season from 716 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,519 three or continues to show a little bit more discipline on defense, and if 717 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,199 they don't view him as like a long term keeper with this team, when 718 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:59,039 you have Kade, when you have to deep bay and again he's entering free 719 00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:00,119 agency, do you so do you not necessarily want to pay him? And 720 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,239 then of course Jeremy Grant, as I mentioned, so I just they he 721 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,880 would be my default. But I do think you're right now sort of parsing 722 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,920 through this team. There's not like an obvious answer. There might be one 723 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,320 of the few teams that where this is the case. Yeah, I will 724 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,599 so let's okay, we'll pause, Let's go off script a little bit. 725 00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:22,000 A lot of people ask about, like, what's the possibility of the Pistons 726 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:29,199 trading Jeremy Grant because they see that Jeremy Grant will be thirty, you know, 727 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,679 when this Pistons team is slated to be really, really good, and 728 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,880 they think, like, okay, well you trade Jeremy Grant for immediate help 729 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,000 or like more draft picks, more darts to throw. And again, we 730 00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:44,360 gotta go back all the way back to the beginning of the podcast. That's 731 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,119 not Troy Weaver's m O, right, The Troy Weaver is not a guy 732 00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:53,079 who's going to trade the guy he's known since high school for you know, 733 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,679 the fifteenth overall pick, like just to have the fifteenth overall pick. He 734 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:05,159 like really values, he really values like what Jeremy Grant like brings in terms 735 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:10,400 of like uh as as as an example to other young dudes of what you 736 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,360 can accomplish in the NBA if you just like work your tail off right, 737 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,760 like you can point to Jeremy like, point to like process Jeremy Grant right 738 00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,679 and like where he is now, and like you, like I said this 739 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,000 last year, it's like if like that's what you you point to Jeremy Grant 740 00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:29,400 every day in practice and say like Saku, like if you work your butt 741 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,119 off, like you could be this dude in like six years, but like 742 00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:36,280 you have to put the sweat equity in. And it's like now you you 743 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,280 point to you, point to you, point to kid right and say like 744 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,960 hey, like if you work your butt off, like you can improve as 745 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,719 much as Jeremy Grant did in his like six years. And if you do 746 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,519 that with like where you're starting right now, like who knows what type of 747 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,320 flare you could be, right and so like, yeah, I don't think. 748 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:59,440 I don't think Jeremy grant is going anywhere. Stop asking. You didn't 749 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:05,480 didn't ask yelling, I ask other people, stop asking. I will say 750 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,519 this. So when it comes to wings that can be more plug and play, 751 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,800 I'm sort of of the mind that even if they don't necessarily align with 752 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,800 your timeline, you keep them anyway because they can be a part of whatever 753 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,039 ecosystem that you build. And Jeremy Graham is, you know, looking at 754 00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:23,880 this two things. Here is one, he clearly isn't impacting or making enough 755 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,159 a positive impact to stop you from getting a high lottery pick. We saw 756 00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,719 that last year. And you can always shut him down if the pistons are 757 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:35,079 not good or great, but like if he or something this year, and 758 00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,800 he's already the second thing is he's already kind of making a paygrade where he's 759 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239 not going to get more than that when his contract is up to me, 760 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,800 because that'll be his age thirty one season. He'll be playing off of I 761 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,039 think or whatever. And so if you have to pay him similar or if 762 00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:50,039 you can just pay him to come back and be part of a better team 763 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,320 and he doesn't necessarily disrupt the dynamic, or he proves that he could fit 764 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,159 with some of the young guys you are already trying to build around. I'm 765 00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:59,639 all for that. Whereas if we go, let's use use as an example. 766 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,639 I would trade Christian would if I were them, because I think that 767 00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:05,960 his values at an all time high. Yes, he can certainly play with 768 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,480 anyone on offense, but they're just they seem a little bit further away, 769 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,880 and because didn't give you enough defensively, and you have, like all these 770 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,039 other guys to think about. So it's a little bit when I look at 771 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:20,679 bigs, it's a little bit different. But Jeremy Grant I flamed him joining 772 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,000 the Pistons last year. So this is not me taking a fig through that. 773 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,840 But I think that thought process one, and people get too caught up 774 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,679 in it. I mean it impacted Shay Gilder's Alexander to some extent over the 775 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,079 right before the draft, who was like, oh, should they trade him 776 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:35,719 because he's about to get paid? Like, no, Shay gilts, Alexander's 777 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,480 fucking twenty two years old, Like he is your timeline, and no, 778 00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:42,360 Jeremy Grant's not your timeline. But he's so plugin player, just so easy 779 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,239 to fit in whatever version of the Pistons that you're building, unless he asked 780 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,360 for out, unless you're bowled over buy an offer, and he also wants 781 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,239 to go to that team, because, as you said, Troy rivers the 782 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,519 order for so long. I just don't view that as anything that needs to 783 00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:58,199 be urgent or even even really considered, even though I do think in some 784 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,800 cases there are players where that might be a valid thing to ask or consider. 785 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000 I so you brought up Shay so, and now I want to ask 786 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,280 you a question. Can I like turn the tables on you? Dan? 787 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,679 Yeah? Please? Would you have done Shay and six for one Shay and 788 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,039 six for one Josh Giddy one at six for reasons I still can't explain. 789 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,840 Yeah, you don't not Josh Giddy the sixth overall pick. Let's just let's 790 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,920 go with that instead of Josh Kiddy. I mean, maybe you draft cominga 791 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,840 in that spot. It's that's tough. First of all, I would be 792 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,199 shocked if the Thunder actually offered that to me. I don't necessarily care about 793 00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:40,360 having to pay Shaye right away if you were the Pistons in that scenario, 794 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,840 But that also doesn't fur if you're making that. But I don't know, 795 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,119 would you would you have I don't. I don't. I don't think I 796 00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:53,199 would have. I would have taken the mystery box with Kade. But it's 797 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,119 it's pretty close. Where did you land on that? I've would have also 798 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,480 not done it. I would have also taken the mystery box. I think 799 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:05,320 there's a I think there's a very good chance that Shade and Kade end up. 800 00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:10,079 It's like roughly equitable players, right, Like, uh, you, 801 00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:15,199 there's a there's a world where like Shay is like the seventeenth best player in 802 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,360 the league, Kaid's like the fourteenth best player in the league, and like 803 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:23,480 everybody's happy with that result. And like you talked about the contract timeline was 804 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,079 not us not perfectly in alignment, but you they could have made that work. 805 00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,719 I wasn't really worried about that. For me, the deal breaker was 806 00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:36,159 the fact that like they had the sixth pick and not like the third pick. 807 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,159 Right if it was like Shay and Evan Mobley for Kade, like now, 808 00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:45,440 that's like that's a way harder decision, right. I think Evan Mobley 809 00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:54,719 is a really intriguing prospect to play him. I so I talked to the 810 00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:59,920 Chasetown guys like very often and like they're you know, enthused about the season 811 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:04,360 as everybody, but like even they are just like, man, like what 812 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,880 what are we gonna do with like Lori Marketing, and like Jared Allen and 813 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,239 like Evan Mobley. He was like together, like what is those three with 814 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,880 Kevin Love? And there you go. I think I think everyone is just 815 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,239 kind of pretending Kevin Love isn't there anymore. He I don't know if he 816 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,480 saw him on media day, he looked like he aged fifteen years over the 817 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:25,760 past season, Like he just looks exhausted, Like why am I stone in 818 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:31,239 Cleveland? I knew it was bad when like Jerry Colangelo said, like yeah, 819 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,360 like we love Kevin and he's been a big part of like what we've 820 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,039 been like doing for the Olympics for the last six years, but like he 821 00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:43,039 can't come to Tokyo, Like oh oh no, oh no, this is 822 00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:47,159 bad. Did you say about that on the shop? No, what did 823 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:50,639 you say? Uh? Well, it actually wasn't him. He was on 824 00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:52,800 an episode and Wanda Sykes was on the episode, and so she said, 825 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,480 here, I'll say it, and she stares into the camera and says, 826 00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:01,400 fuck Jerry, it was so funny. You need to look up that clip 827 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,280 or ill dmu it it was hysterical. Yeah, I gotta I gotta find 828 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,239 that it's you know, I wasn't as high on Evan Mobile as the consensus, 829 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,079 but if we're talking if it was Jalen Green sugs or mobile that you 830 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,039 could have paired with a Shay, it does definitely make the decision in theory 831 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,840 a lot harder. And it's so weird. It might have been a trade 832 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,000 that I hated for both sides, where it feels like you're giving up a 833 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,480 potential All Star plus the number six pick for the mystery Box. But then 834 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,960 I'm looking at the Pistons and like they're just so early into their rebuild, 835 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,280 but the thunder alsos early into the rebuild. It's I think it's an offer 836 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,559 that at least would have had It made you think if you're Detroit, but 837 00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:38,480 I think at this point I just would have went with the mystery Box. 838 00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,599 And also if I was kind of the thunder I would have just been uneasy. 839 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,280 You've assembled all these picks and I guess you're disappointed that you missed out 840 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,719 on the Rockets pick this year, and then we're sixth overall, But to 841 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,199 give up Shay and number that's just so much. The other thing for me 842 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,599 was, like you think about like Kaid would have been a marketing bonanza for 843 00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,880 the Thunder, right, like low cool Kid went to Okay State. That's 844 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,440 all of a sudden, he's like the he's the States like basketball player, 845 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,719 Like that would have been that had been really good for them from a marketing 846 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,639 perspective. That's a great point as well. That's a I do think it 847 00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:16,280 probably would have been closed. That is I stuttered. I thought, I 848 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,840 thought. I thought about this like hard for like forty eight hours. It 849 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,719 was a yeah, you've been mad had they done it? Not mad? 850 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:30,960 But no, I needed to do like before. I needed before, like 851 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,960 when it came up as a possibility, I needed to do a deeper dive 852 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,920 on Shay because I am not ashamed to say I did not watch much of 853 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,119 the Oklahoma City Thunder this past season, and so I knew he was good 854 00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:46,559 because I knew people people I respected would not shut up about how good he 855 00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:51,559 was. But I hadn't like seen him play, and like I didn't know 856 00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,079 like just how good he had gotten in the in the ways that he has, 857 00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,840 and like I would not have been disappointed to add shake yillo just Alexander 858 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,440 to the Detroit Pistons, even at his post rookie max number, Like that 859 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:10,360 is a that is a really talented, very high upside, very high character 860 00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,039 NBA player who just like who much like Kade, could fit in a multitude 861 00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:22,880 of circumstances and team environments and so like, Yeah, it shays good enough 862 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,079 that I wouldn't have been mad if they like, if they made they pulled 863 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:27,880 the trigger on that. Yeah, they was. Look, and I think 864 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,320 I've reiterated this that like a zillion times, but ninety percent of his shots 865 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:35,800 went unassisted last year and the efficiency he put up on those anyway, and 866 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,079 then you just look at the talent that was around him most the year, 867 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,559 mind melting. I think one of the other reasons maybe you don't do it, 868 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:43,719 and I know you get access to the medicals, but it clearly wasn't 869 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,159 just and maybe it was the thunder shutting him down just because, but he 870 00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:50,039 ended up not playing with Canada this year because of that plant or fascia injury, 871 00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,679 and so like is that like those are always kind of fickle and you 872 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:54,679 have to at least consider that when you're weighing a trade like this as well. 873 00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:59,119 No, for sure. Now I'm going to turn the tables back to 874 00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:02,760 you to ask you question, what's this team's single biggest weakness right now, 875 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,880 Whether it's a player archetype specific position, or a functional void, anything along 876 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,840 those lines. So it's interesting, right, because this team is bad. 877 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:22,559 They should they should have a lot of weaknesses, but the the structural like 878 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,559 archetype weakness, I think they are just completely missing. And I've been yelling 879 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,599 about for for like the entire offseason. They are missing a vertical lob threat, 880 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:37,400 right. They are missing a rim running shop blocker type of guy Stewart. 881 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,360 We talked about Stuart as a rim protector, but he does that with 882 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,679 like verticality and positioning and strength and like hands and wingspan. He can catch 883 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,599 lobs, but he's not alb threat. Teams teams aren't like. Teams aren't 884 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:59,320 treating him like he's like lobs of de DeAndre Jordan, right, and the 885 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,400 Pistons like really made an emphasis on opening up the lane for kid and killing 886 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,440 him this year by adding a bunch of shooting. I think like they I 887 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,039 don't know, I don't want to say they like overcorrected, but they're missing 888 01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:22,039 like one guy who makes teams like wonder about like what what the like one 889 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,920 guy who make makes the help defend or crash from the week side in order 890 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,000 to cut off the lob to open up the corner three right as opposed to 891 01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:34,440 just like playing five out all the time. It was personally just tragic for 892 01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:39,679 me on Draft night when the Pistons didn't take Jericho Sims after that picture of 893 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,599 him at the Pro day or like he's putting his elbows and his like face 894 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,119 above the rim on dunks, and like then in Vegas he just like did 895 01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:52,679 that a couple more times, and it's like, I'm like that would be 896 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:54,639 really fun, man, like just killing him, just like throwing that guy 897 01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:58,840 lobs kid, just like throwing that guy lobs like that would have been fun. 898 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,719 And the Pistons don't have a guy like that on the roster and they 899 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:07,079 kind of need one. Like that's not like that's as a weakness. They 900 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,360 definitely don't have that. So you're saying it's not Kelly Olynick. Noah, 901 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,639 Yeah, Kelly Olynick, not Bounty, not Bounty, And I guess it's 902 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,519 they just actively decided that they would rather because most of those guys who can 903 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,840 do that are also not going to space the floor, and it seems like 904 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,039 they've paced up placed a premium on just opening up the floor and the half 905 01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:30,760 court. Yeah yeah, And like I'm and to be fair, I don't 906 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,039 think it's hard to find that type of guy, right Like I don't know 907 01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:38,880 where JaVale McGee is right now, but like you could bring in JaVale McGee 908 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:44,119 relatively easily easily and like do that for you in Phoenix right now? So 909 01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:50,960 maybe not are they do they believe in Jaylen Smith or now? I think 910 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,400 they have to now because Darius arch Is it's out for the year probably with 911 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,440 his ACL injury, and John Smith had some nice moments during Summer league is 912 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,800 as well, But they did so they gave Javan McGee more than half their 913 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:07,199 mid level for some reason. I got it and also didn't understand it. 914 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,159 But yeah, he is on an NBA team that I think actually needs him 915 01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:14,000 at this point. They gave you. Wow. See, Okay, this 916 01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:17,599 is this is the thing with like, uh, with pregnancy into parenthood. 917 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,440 It's like I am hyper focused on the Pistons, but like I don't know 918 01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,880 anything that happened anywhere else JaVale McGee's and Phoenix Cool. I did not know 919 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,960 that happened. Hey, I didn't bring you on to talk about the Suns 920 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,239 anyway. So you're you're golden in my book. Yeah, but you can 921 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,039 find a G League type right like you can find a U. You can 922 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:44,079 find another Tyler Cook right somewhere to fill that role. They just like don't 923 01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:46,440 have it right now, and it kind of irks me. Hey, Bis 924 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,960 Maciambo is still floating around somewhere out there. Can he still jump? He 925 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,280 can't catch? That's the thing, right, Like, in order to be 926 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,559 allowed threat, you have to be able to catch the ball. Yeah, 927 01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,400 it's like he has stone hands that are also based in Chris Go. It's 928 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:04,320 not just one, it's it's both both. Yeah, So what's this is. 929 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,760 I don't want to troll them and say, let's assume that they're trying 930 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,440 to win a game. No, no, no, I actually put that 931 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,920 in my response. It's like, I like that you assume that the Pistons 932 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,360 are going to be playing crunch time situations. Look like I said, they 933 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,719 were ten thin crunch time minutes played before the All Star break last year, 934 01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:22,239 they were three and fifteen in those situations, but they were top ten. 935 01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:25,920 So let's say they're trying to win it's a close game, what should be 936 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:31,719 their go to crunch time lineup? I think the most balanced lineup they can 937 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:37,559 put on the floor to try and win a game is Kaid Sadiq, Jeremy 938 01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:45,239 Stewart olink right. I think that makes me sad because Killian's not involved in 939 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:47,599 that lineup, But like I think, if you're actually trying to win games, 940 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,159 like I don't know if he does that for you right now, I'm 941 01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:53,360 hopeful that, like after twenty five games, like Killian is in that lineup 942 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,000 over a link. But if you're trying to win right now, you it's 943 01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:02,760 Kadet point guard surrounded by a bunch of shooting and Isaiah Stewart out there for 944 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:09,559 defense. I think that's probably correct. What is there a quirky outside the 945 01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,960 box, out of left field lineup that you would like to see him try? 946 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,719 So, Dwayne Casey like never ran any Jeremy Grant at center lineups, 947 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,119 which makes a lot of sense. It's like, Okay, Jeremy is taking 948 01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:26,519 on this huge offensive load for us, let's also ask him to play center, 949 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,360 Like, no, you don't want to do that, but something like 950 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:36,000 Killian Hamadou Kaide, Sadik Jeremy, like that would be that'd be really fun 951 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,920 to watch for like two minutes, right, just like get up and down 952 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,000 the floor. Jeremy is like kind of playing center. Everybody's just like gang 953 01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:47,079 rebounding and we're just like we're just going right, Like that would be fun. 954 01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:51,239 It would never happen, right, ay, I think Jeremy, Yeah, 955 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,559 Jeremy's the only vet in that lineup, and Dwayne Casey wants like pretty 956 01:04:56,599 --> 01:05:00,719 much at least like two vets on the floor at all times and be like, 957 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,920 Jeremy Grant's never playing center for this team, but it'd be fun. 958 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,239 Well, to be fair, they do run out of biggs pretty quickly, 959 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,159 so maybe they'll be forced to put Like look, what if Kelly Olenick or 960 01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:14,239 Isaiah Stewart or Trey Lass has to miss a game. Luca Guard's a baby. 961 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,400 Oh yeah, that's right. You basically you basically had mine. So 962 01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:21,960 I had Jeremy Grant, Sadique bay Hamadudiallo, even though I don't understand him, 963 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,960 Kaide and Josh Jackson sort of let's go all wings and put Jeremy Grant 964 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,400 at the five and I'm always a sucker for you know, you can call 965 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,199 the small ball lineups or just five out lineups with all wings, so that 966 01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:35,400 would be the one that's eerily close to yours. I would just like to 967 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,880 see them try it, Like you said, for short bursts. I remembered 968 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:45,360 you had a proclivity for all wing lineups. I remembered that about you sucker 969 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,360 for them even when they don't work, which is a lot. Wait, 970 01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,880 so how do you feel about the Knicks rolling out like the all point guard 971 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:58,719 lineup. I'm fine with it. Look Kimba, Derek Miles, Quentin Grimes 972 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,039 and who else? One more point guard is now? Alfred Payton's not in 973 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:11,000 New York anymore. Wow, Alfred Payton's also in Phoenix. I apologize to 974 01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:15,559 the Timeline guys for not knowing anything about their team right now. But did 975 01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,360 you mention quickly? No, there you go quickly? Yes? Perfect five 976 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:24,559 point guards? How about four point guards in RJ? Because I'm very concerned 977 01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:27,360 that r J is not going to get the on ball reps that I think 978 01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,960 he needs to reach his peak in the NBA. When you have Kemba Rose 979 01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:36,280 randall, you know, Alec Burke's, Evan Fornier, etc. So the 980 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,519 answer to that is to put him at center. Definitely, I get it. 981 01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:42,679 Yes, let's let's try it. No, look, I don't think 982 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,480 this is the Knicks podcast. I just don't think we're talking enough about that. 983 01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:48,840 The Knicks completely got rid of their best printer defender and Reggie Bullock leaned 984 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,480 so far into shock creation, and a lot of people thought their defense was 985 01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:55,840 lucky to begin with. When you look at opponent three point percentage and all 986 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,960 of a sudden you look at the roster. RJ. Barrett has to I 987 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,599 would assume defend the toughest perimeter assignments. Now it's just who else are you 988 01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:06,599 throwing at them? Evanfornier, I hope not. Yeah, No, that's 989 01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:12,559 that's not good. H Randall made strides as a defender, but I don't 990 01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:17,679 know if he's the guy you'd like want guarding the zach Lavine's of the world 991 01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:23,119 either in crunch time. Yeah, that's kind of tough. Actually, now 992 01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:27,599 that this is a Knicks po podcast, speaking of lob threats, what do 993 01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:30,639 you want from Mitchell Robinson? Hey, he doesn't look like he'd be healthy 994 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:34,840 to start the season, so what are you willing to offer? I got 995 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:40,159 uh, we got nothing, man. That's the thing, right, Like 996 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,599 we when the you know, going back to the trade question, it's like, 997 01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:45,079 I don't know, man, we got like some we got some stuff 998 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,679 we can't trade. We can't trade a first round pick because we owe a 999 01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:53,519 pick to Houston. Basically like until they're a playoff team, they owe that 1000 01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:57,880 pick to Houston. The protections on these picks, man, they seem to 1001 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,840 be going so much further out than they used to. They're just all protected 1002 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,159 for the maximum of seven years or whatever it is. Yeah, and it's 1003 01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:09,320 like every everything turns into seconds eventually, and then like you know, if 1004 01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,400 you protected out to twenty twenty eight, because like you don't even have a 1005 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,199 job in twenty twenty eight, who cares. Let's do this, right, 1006 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,000 that's probably the thought process behind it. It's like Daryl Morey given that extension 1007 01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:20,680 to Eric Gordon, like I'm clearly not going to be here. You guys 1008 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:27,239 just made me pray for Russell Westbrook. But yeah, Mitchell Mitchell Robinson, 1009 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,119 maybe not at like the two eighty he said he was in that video. 1010 01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,319 If he's like two sixty and said at two eighty but Mitchell Robinson is a 1011 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:38,079 guy as a jumpy jump guy. I have my eye on if the Pistons, 1012 01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:40,880 dude, decide to go in that direction, I will say, I 1013 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,439 don't know if you do like Josh Jackson for Mitchell Robinson, but I would, 1014 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:46,439 Yeah, I'm sure you would. I would not like it solo. 1015 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,479 I will say that we get a question every third mail bag here whether Mitchell 1016 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,920 Robinson can be better than Rudy Gobert. Just to give you a sense of 1017 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,680 where Knicks fans are at with Mitchell Robinson. Too bad, he's stuck behind 1018 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,640 time Gibson Y. Yeah, and if he's not healthy to start the season, 1019 01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:08,159 Hids might just bury him. In general, the Pistons, though their 1020 01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:11,680 current win total is set at twenty three point five, are you taking me 1021 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,960 over the under on that? And where do you see them stacking up in 1022 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,199 the East in general? So I would take the over on that. That 1023 01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:24,000 number is like roughly what they would have won last year, and that's even 1024 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:29,039 taking into account the fact that they tanked super hard for the last fifteen games 1025 01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:31,439 of the year. First off, the reason how we go over is because 1026 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,119 I don't think they tank as hard as they did last year, like they 1027 01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:41,399 might sit Jeremy. I doubt they said like Kade for fifteen games, right 1028 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,720 in order to assure a bad draft pick. That that doesn't seem like what 1029 01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:49,920 they want to do. Second, like, I think Kid's gonna be Katee 1030 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:57,640 is worth some bump in win total, right, maybe not. You know, 1031 01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,439 I'm thinking they win like thirty games, But I don't that they win 1032 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,520 like twenty three games either. But they're still gonna be really bad in the 1033 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:09,640 conference. They're still gonna be like thirteenth or fourteenth in the conference. They're 1034 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:15,039 probably better than the Magic probably. I think you could probably say definitely do 1035 01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:17,159 the Magic have a maybe jail and subs, But if they have a top 1036 01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:23,319 two hundred player on their roster right now, is Jonathan Isaac healthy? I 1037 01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:30,520 don't care about Jonathan Isaac? That's fair. Yeah, I like what the 1038 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,399 Magic are doing. They are not gonna be good, neither are the Pistons, 1039 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,960 but like the Magic are like really gonna They seem to be like in 1040 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,399 the same tier as the Cleveland Orlando Detroit area right now, and I could 1041 01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:47,319 see them being better than both of those teams. To be honest with you, 1042 01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:51,000 I know Cleveland might have more talent, but their roster just confuses the 1043 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,279 shit out of me. Yeah, I think Cleveland is like pretty clearly better 1044 01:10:55,319 --> 01:11:01,279 than Detroit because like, again I'm just ignoring Kevin Love entirely. Kevin Love 1045 01:11:01,319 --> 01:11:04,880 doesn't play for the Cleveland Cavaliers. It's an illusion. They have enough front 1046 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:09,680 core problem size it is, but they have enough talent they haven't. Like 1047 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:15,319 their young talent is more established and more productive than the Pistons current young talent, 1048 01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:17,720 and so, like, I think it's pretty clear that they're going to 1049 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:23,439 be better. So that basically like just leaves Orlando, and I think they're 1050 01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:27,239 probably better than Orlando. They get they get a chance to see pretty early 1051 01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:29,640 on. I think they play Orlando in like the first ten games, and 1052 01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,920 so like that might be that might be like the one of the like three 1053 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,159 wins they get in the first three weeks of this season. Yeah. Look, 1054 01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:39,119 the other thing is they were the worst team the East last year while 1055 01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:41,680 winning at a twenty three win pace, And so do you really think that 1056 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,159 this team is let's say, a full win worse than they were last season? 1057 01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:48,680 No, I mean, like we we talked about that. You talked 1058 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,159 about the crunch time stats and how they were playing a lot of close games 1059 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:56,479 and losing like I don't think they play like. I think they play fewer 1060 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,720 close games, if that makes me sense. But I also think they win 1061 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,039 more often, that makes sense. Yeah, And I think I'm gonna hit 1062 01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:03,359 the over with them too. I'm going to give them the one hundred percent 1063 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:10,239 vaccinated bump here, Yes, literal competitive advantage to be one hundred percent vaccinated. 1064 01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,520 Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna have certain people in Brooklyn potentially 1065 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,520 missing every single home game or what have you, And just in general, 1066 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,399 I just don't think that this team should be worse than last season. As 1067 01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:25,640 you said, they apply won't sit kaide. I do notice as I'm going 1068 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,479 through like my spreadsheet, as I mark like everyone's selected, I'm gonna need 1069 01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,800 to start picking some unders. I've been very optimistic about every team's betting line 1070 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,439 apparently that I've covered so far. U Chicago, what's the over under on 1071 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,239 Chicago? Actually? Do not have theirs pulled up? And I'm gonna tell 1072 01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:41,840 you right now, I'm beting the under on them. I don't yeah that 1073 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,399 team. I think they end up good, but that's that's gonna take some 1074 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:50,720 time before stuff works out and they their best perimeter defender is a second year 1075 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:56,239 player who's also hurt right now. So yeah, that's that that's gonna take 1076 01:12:56,239 --> 01:13:01,279 some time. Chicago is they're under is set as of this recording forty two 1077 01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:06,119 point five and they yeah, And there was also a report that stated they 1078 01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:10,079 want to put the ball in Lonzo hands. Is like, put the ball 1079 01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:12,920 in Lonzo's hands more. And I don't know that the solution would ever be 1080 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,600 to make a Lonzo a primary ball handler. But you also have Damar and 1081 01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,760 Levigne on that team, and so that just sort of obfu skates the pecking 1082 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,279 order even further if that's your actual plan. Yeah, under under, So 1083 01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:28,560 yeah, I have one under is there, But I'm going over with the 1084 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,399 Pistons. That just seems really low. Maybe I'll just be dead wrong. 1085 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,439 There Is there anything I didn't ask anything, or anyone I didn't ask you 1086 01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:39,439 about with regards to the teams that you think needs to be covered? No, 1087 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,399 I think I think we covered basically everything. I think the thing I 1088 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,880 want to like end the podcast with is that like Troy Weaver has built a 1089 01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:55,640 really Detroit team. Uh, they are going to be entertaining to watch, 1090 01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,640 but not flashy. They're not gonna win a lot. When they do, 1091 01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,239 it's going to be because they execute on the principles of shooting and defense that 1092 01:14:04,279 --> 01:14:09,600 they established for themselves at the beginning of the year. They are going to 1093 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,439 be slow. They're not going to get out in transition. They were twenty 1094 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,720 third and paced last year even with Kaide. I don't think that gets like 1095 01:14:16,039 --> 01:14:19,239 I don't think they get above like fifteenth and pace and like that's like my 1096 01:14:19,319 --> 01:14:27,159 wildest dreams. They're like a top team in pace. But they will they 1097 01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:31,520 will make you execute every single night. If you come into Detroit being like, 1098 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,079 oh, they're the fourteenth team in the Eastern Conference, like we got 1099 01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:40,119 this, like, you will get jumped on, right. And I think 1100 01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:45,600 that fans like really understand and like that about this team. They really like 1101 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,760 the competitiveness that they show night and night out. It's really easy for young 1102 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:58,520 teams to get kind of like bad juju around them because of all the losing. 1103 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,560 I think that the team is like full of a bunch of like we 1104 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,800 talked about this like cage mentality earlier. I think the team is full of 1105 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:08,640 a bunch of guys who like aren't going to like kill themselves are Sorry, 1106 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,600 that's that's terrible phrasing. They're not going to beat themselves up because like they're 1107 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,600 on like a five game losing streak, they're gonna play just as hard, 1108 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,399 you know, at the you know, after a five game losing streak as 1109 01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:23,319 they are after like a three game winning streak. Right, Like, the 1110 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,359 team is not going to have like a ton of like ups and downs. 1111 01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:31,399 They're going to bring it every night. And I think that that's undervalued in 1112 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,720 the regular season as far as like what you think of a of a team 1113 01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,600 in terms of like wins and losses. But like, this team is gonna 1114 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,479 get out talented most nights, but they're not going to get out worked most 1115 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,079 nights. And I think that's what that's what fans really like to see. 1116 01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:49,600 In Detroit. I am anticipating them have any shot down killing and Hayes because 1117 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,159 he's helping them win too many games, So bullish I am on the twenty 1118 01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:57,600 two Detroit Pistons. Although, man, when you look at them, and 1119 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,880 maybe this is an easy question, are we just as I mean Kaka him 1120 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:06,239 as their second leading scorer behind Jeremy Grant. Yes, the fact that I 1121 01:16:06,279 --> 01:16:10,760 don't know who their second leading score was last year. That wasn't Blake. 1122 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,800 Like off the top of my head, I can tell you it requires me 1123 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,920 a little bit, was it Mason? It was Josh Jackson. See yeah, 1124 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,720 no, yeah, kids, kid's gonna be the guy. Kid's gonna 1125 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,119 be a guy, the guy very quickly in Detroit. So like, yes, 1126 01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:28,079 I think we Kaid's gonna be a huge part of the pecking order, 1127 01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:31,880 a huge part of the offense, and that's gonna make real, real impacts 1128 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,359 for them. Josh Jackson, I would not have guessed that. Yeah, 1129 01:16:35,359 --> 01:16:40,359 and Sadik Bay I believe was right at Yes, Sadik would have been my 1130 01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:44,800 next guest. Yeah, Las, this was great. Mentioned this at the 1131 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:45,920 top of the intro where everyone could follow you, But can you let our 1132 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,680 listeners know to bookend of this where they can find you and your work. 1133 01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:53,439 Of course, thank you again for having me on Dan, I truly appreciate 1134 01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,319 it. Thank you for letting me ask you some questions and needle you about 1135 01:16:57,359 --> 01:17:00,479 the Knicks a little bit. People could follow me on Twitter at last Chance 1136 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:05,600 that's at la z c h a n C. I host two podcasts about 1137 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,760 the Pistons. The Detroit Bad Boys Come Out podcast and the Pistons Versus Everybody 1138 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:15,399 podcast. The Detroit Bad Boys podcast is going right now. Pistons Versus Everybody 1139 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,239 still in traction. I'm still working out the fatherhood stuff, still lining up 1140 01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:24,640 guests and everything, but like that will also be back when the season starts. 1141 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,479 And so thank you for everybody that supported me, like as I took 1142 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,720 a very long hiatus to be a dad for seven weeks. How dare you? 1143 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,960 Also, I'm noticing that, look, you had chance and you're in 1144 01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,239 your handle way before you had an actual chance. Is this? Is this 1145 01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:44,239 a coincidence? Was this planned for years? Chance is my middle name? 1146 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,159 Well, that would do it, yes, And so I was very fortunate 1147 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:54,239 the wife acquiesced to using my middle name as his first name, and like 1148 01:17:54,319 --> 01:17:58,119 that that was a big win in the In the last Jackson like headspace, 1149 01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:01,840 Well, I think Chance is a fantastic name I also for Obviously, the 1150 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,079 Detroit Bad Boys podcast is great, but you do solo pods a lot on 1151 01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:09,840 the Pistons Versus Everybody podcast, and they are fantastic. Because someone who does 1152 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,319 solo mailbacks here from time to time. It's not easy to just talk on 1153 01:18:13,359 --> 01:18:15,279 your own for an hour and you do a great job and I'm able to 1154 01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,439 listen to the entire episode, so kudos to you for being able to lock 1155 01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,760 it down or hold it down even when you're by yourself on that podcast. 1156 01:18:23,359 --> 01:18:26,239 Thank you, dam I appreciate that those are were gritting out of you. 1157 01:18:26,279 --> 01:18:30,039 See. Yeah, they're exhausting, but as you know by now, I 1158 01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:31,199 will be passing you again in the future, and just once more. I 1159 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:34,359 can't rediate enough. I appreciate you giving me so much of your time and 1160 01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:39,359 this was fantastic as always, and I'll be talking to you soon. Sounds great.