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Hello, everybody, to a very
solemn and grave episode of Morning Here on

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that snub Metal. This is Hyperblasts. This is our weekly news show where

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we come at you every week with
the goings on in rock and metal.

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Last week we did not have news. I haven't even doubled up on like

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the news we missed last time.
This is still a bit of a mega

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hype glass in terms of the amount
of stuff I've sat on this script in

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front of me. We have got
announcements, we have got sad announcements.

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We've got some you know, gigs
and stuff that we were at as well,

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and then obviously all of the music
round up at the very very end

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of this. My name is Peren
Hayish. Here today, my fellow mourners.

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We've got Sam Dignon, We've got
Elliot Paisley on the you know,

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the live music front. It feels
like, you know, we are really

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things kicking off now properly, you
know, pretty much every week for the

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next few weeks, I'm gonna have
something to talk about. And Sam,

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me and you were both at shows
this week. You were at Spanish Love

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Songs. Is this there was this
the first like UK tour for the new

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album of that significance of this.
So technically this is their first headline tour

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for both Brave Faces Everyone and No
Joy because they obviously so bray Face seven

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came out and they did that tors
pointing the Mensingers and then the world shut

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down and they've done you know,
like odd dates and support tours since things

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opened back up. But this was
basically kind of like a double celebration for

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Brave Faces Everyone at Overdue headline and
No Joy. I went along to Span

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Stuff song sold out Electric Ballroom,
which was great to see. Didn't catch

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the opening band, but a sort
of heart Attack Man who were the main

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support, who I wasn't super familiar
with. Way more kind of just like

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aggressively upbeat pop punk than I was
expecting for a Spanish love song support,

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but with a kind of like nerdy
awkward energy at the same time, which

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I guess does make them kind of
fit in more with that sort of thing

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than say a spot By you might
see with a neck deep or something like

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that. But they were good,
fun They kind of had like sort of

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like angular bits here and there,
lots of energy. It was just it

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was just funny seeing a pop punk
from and yell at Spanish Love Song's crowd

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get the fuck up and open a
circle pit. I was like, I

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was like, okay, you know, this is a weird disconnect, but

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I did enjoy them, Like they've
had some songs that ever sort of stuck

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in the head, so I'll give
them actually a proper listen, Like I

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think they had an amount last year
which I seem to see a few people

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work quite into. But Spanish Love
Songs were the best I've ever seen them,

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Just absolutely brilliant. Setlist was very
heavily focused on as I said,

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no, I think it was like
seven songs off No Joy in the seven

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songs off Brave Faces. Everyone that
those two got, like the bulk of

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the Chair. Was very nice to
see some Schmaltz songs back in the set

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list because a few times i've seen
them since they've come back from the pandemic

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that those that album hasn't had a
single outing at all. So getting stuff

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like belly Ache and the boy Concienty's
haircut was like, oh yeah, this

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is why I'm gonna, you know, sing really loud after having a few

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beers and get emotional. But they're
No Joy stuff, which I've already seen

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a handful of after seeing them with
Hot Mulligan last year. Sounds amazing live.

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Those kind of like extra just sort
of flavors they've peppered into that album

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really complement their live set where they
just it's a nice change of pace when

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you get to the kind of tropical
disco beats of Clean Up Crew and everyone

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just starts dancing and having fun,
anting about their garden and their yard like

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that gets a card going. It's
stick a bit, but the Brave Faces

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everyone'stuff still feels like the real,
like the show pieces in the set like

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that are getting the biggest response.
I think that is the Spanish Soft Songs

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album that has really going as people
like where like Kick is everyone is like

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going up a whole other level.
When they started playing Kick, that was

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when the energy really jumped up,
and when they like they didn't do an

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encore, but when they were like, these are our last two songs,

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and it was routine Pain and the
title truck of Brave Faces Everyone, and

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that was kind of like the okay, final big everyone, get all your

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emotions out. It was amazing.
They didn't have a basis on this tour

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at the moment, which I don't
quite know why, but it didn't seem

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to affect the live show too much. And like Marydith's doing a lot more

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on stage and just keys now she's
playing guitar on a few songs, so

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they've like really bolstered out the sound, even if they're based on the backing

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truck. But Dylan way more confident
as a front man at the moment,

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Like he's no longer as like super
awkward on stage as he was when the

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first few times I saw them.
They've really sort of started to step up

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to being a bad tour playing and
selling out decent sized venues, and I

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just it just had a real celebratory
vibe, which is not something you might

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necessarily go to span stuff songs with, but there was a kind of like,

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you know, we've made it through
and now here we are. I

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think it was like their biggest headline
show ever sold out. It was just

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a great evening. Yeah. I
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much Brave Faces Everyone representation because they've
just announced those like small shows where they're

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playing that album in its entirety,
so you're going to get the extra Like

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I know, three songs that they
didn't play or whatever, but Bigson going

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on there for them. I was
at a depeche mode once again, which

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I won't spend too much time on, I guess because we covered the stadium

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show so at length last year.
But this was like, I mean,

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if you'd basically, if you'd given
me the opportunity then to have the same

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kind of experience again, I would
have like bitten your hand off. And

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this was like, you know,
essentially like the same show but translated to

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you know, an arena to move
up and down the country rather than you

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know, one big stadium show obviously
indoors, so more of a reliance on

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things like lighting and a video screen
and stuff like that, which looked really

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really cool, had like you know, the big m behind them and kind

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of showing bits of their music videos
and stuff like that coming through it.

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I guess, you know, it
didn't quite have the same sort of like

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the elation of like first time seeing
it in the outdoor stadium and everything,

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But on paper the set list might
have been even better, because I mean,

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largely it was the same show in
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things went was basically the same,
the same thing of like, you know,

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they opened the same two songs from
the new album, and then when

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they hit you know, walking in
My Shoes and it's no good, it's

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that thing of like, oh shit, this is where it really lifts up

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a notch. But you know,
the handful of slots in the setlist where

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they like swapped in a song here, or they're some really good stuff making

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its way in for this second round, Policy of Truth coming in there,

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which just fucking what a tune,
even though I now associated very heavily with

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the Death on the Nile trailer for
some fucking reason, but that was incredible

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going through. We Got Before We
Drown was the one like new song that

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they hadn't played previously. I again, I could have gone even for some

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some more songs from there that I
really love, but that was really nice

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to see the little the Martin Gore
like ballad double bit in the middle,

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really good stuff this time where there
was the Somebody but also a like a

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piano over version of Strange Love,
which has worked like surprisingly well in terms

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of just like everybody knowing the worst
of that song and Martin absolutely being able

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to you know, kind of sell
that in that regard and then that same

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thing of like hitting that point towards
the again, it went so fast in

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terms of like, oh my god, we're already at like X point of

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the night when I feel you is
coming in and just how fucking huge that

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is and all that stuff, and
again in terms of couple swaps in at

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this point, you around the point
in the set of like stripped and stuff

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like that, which is still fucking
brilliant, but behind the wheel coming in

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in the kind of like the Andrew
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which again hilariously again another of the
most another of the most horny,

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like the most BDSM song that night
brilliant and the one again I'd seen videos

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of them doing this when they went
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year, and I was like,
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in the set Black Celebration, the
Tautle track of which is one of my

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favorite fucking songs. And that was
the moment for me of like Black celebrat

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as a thing is almost like sums
up my taste in like things that I

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like, you know, Black celebrations, And it was absolutely wonderful. And

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then you know, the same sort
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ending the main set of Enjoy the
Silence, and then you've got that

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little waiting for the night sort of
like subtle bill back up, and then

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that incredible run of like just can't
get enough, never let me down again

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in personal Jesus and I swear Dave
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It's just like he was a whole
way through. He was just like grinding,

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shaking, fucking stroking his mic stand
in suggestive ways. There was also

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a point where they sang Happy Birthday
to some woman who was in the front

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of the rose that it was their
birthday, and when he was walking back

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up the little stage walkway thing,
someone else handed Dave a bouquet of roses

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and he went oh, and then
he turned back around for the woman who

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sang Happy Birthday, thought He's like, I got these just for you and

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hand as they're just like lovely stuff. You would absolutely die if they've gone

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did that to you in that moment. So yeah, fucking just absolutely incredible

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time. Seeing depeche Mode once again
feels so incredibly that this time a year

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ago, I didn't know if I
would ever see Depeche Mode and now I've

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seen them do this brilliant show twice
inside a year. Fucking brilliant stuff.

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News this week, Like I said, we've got a lot, We've actually

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got some, you know, really
decently sizeable pieces of music to talk about.

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We've got a fucking onslaught of like
festival and tour announcements and everything.

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But there's one announcement that came yesterday
as we were recording this that I guess

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seems to overshadow Wall and it is
that in a video that is so something

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out of Garth Marange's dark place,
where it's like time comes for us.

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Time has run out time. It's
time for time to run out of time

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on us. Time time, time, time has come to claim none other

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than you me at six. And
this is it's a moment, you know,

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for this podcast, and it's tumultuous
relationship with a certain band. It's

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it's quite a moment. I mean, they are the staple of like brit

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rock for the last close to twenty
years essential media. I think there was

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like be just in a twenty years
when they when they actually call time like

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break when the breakup happens next year. But yeah, you know, Like

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I mean, I can't say I'm
too shocked. It's felt like they've been

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pushing off the end as much as
they can, you meet six, to

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try and cling onto relevancy. It
doesn't shock me that this comes after they've

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played their final album, that they
could potentially get away with doing an anniversary

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show for that people would actually care
about, Like they can't like people are

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pulling that. But you know,
I'm happy to see a band go out

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on their terms and not you know, break up because they've all got into

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a big fight or bad stuff's happened. They you know, they just like

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we've had a good run, We've
you know, got to big venue.

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They've consistently managed to remain Like it's
what people insist shockingly like somehow relevant like

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in the picture because again the announcement
here, as you say, twenty years

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they're going to be playing their final
shows in twenty twenty five. This slam

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Dunk coming up is going to be
their final UK festival and then they'll be

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doing you know, last tour dates
at some point in at the beginning of

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next year, you imagine, and
I don't know, like a lot of

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people obviously will be expecting me to
kind of whip out the trumpets and start

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dancing like the end of the Phantom
Menace, like, and part of me

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is doing that, and part of
me is, like, you know,

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finding the fun and the kind of
righteous victory in this moment. Part of

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me is taking the noble route of
you know, well, they were a

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band, you meant a lot to
people. There certainly will be people here

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listening to us right now who got
into rock music or were brought further into

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rock music by you know that band. And that's fine, and that's respectable.

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And anyone who is in that position
who is wanting to go out and

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go to these like last farewell shows
or whatever, I don't begrudguate that at

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all. I guess, you know, it's a it's an interesting opportunity for

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a conversation to be had. I
guess about what kind of legacy this band

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do leave behind, you know,
because again, the sort of tributes have

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been coming over the last day or
so, it's like Trophy Eyes were tweeting

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like, you know, thank you
for the you know, basically thank you

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for giving us our band name.
And you know, Trophy Ies not a

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bad band. Holding absence we're talking
about, you know, the kind of

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the creation of a UK scene that
you know Umi at six did, and

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you know, Holding Absence is not
a bad band. You could also argue

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that that scene and how it proliferated
stifled other UK scenes, and I would

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argue more interesting kinds of heavy music. And that has always been a part

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of my argument with something like this
Uniet sixers, you know, impact and

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legacy, and now we have the
book who was sying the opporunity? Are

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going to look back on it and
call it a day? Unit six thing

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is I always said that they were
the one that wouldn't die. You know,

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It's like that was a scene that
I think had to be wiped away

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for the world to improve. And
Unit six were while they all fell like

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Domino's, Unit six were the one
that were big enough even as their relevance

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waned in their latter half of their
career. They were the one that were

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sizable and popul enough to still maintain
a successful career, and so they were

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the one that would not go away
while the other ones did. I you

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know, my respect level is higher
for u me at six having like,

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as you say, a twenty year
run of it. Consistently kind of you

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know, bulling out whatever and then
going okay, let's call it rather than

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fucking off for four years and then
hey, Mallory knoxa back everyone. It's

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like those Yeah, I know,
obviously we're calling it that. There's you

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know, maybe one day in the
twenty years to take off your colors.

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Yeah, saying I'm putting the pin
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the room. I'm gonna I'm gonna, in a very extremely rare moment,

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I'll give you at six the benefit
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won't immediately go back on that.
But this scene of bands right that I

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do hate so much. It's like, if there's three paths here of like

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you know, let's say the the
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of like going away in the kind
of mid twenty tens or whatever for not

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enough time, and just as we've
started to see the back of you going

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here, we are again the Unit
six path of like being here the whole

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time and then going away, I
would hope properly or like the I don't

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know, like the fucking Canterbury path
or something of like went away No one

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Cared hasn't come back. Uniit six
has the the second best option of the

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three out of those after having not
polluted us for you know, too long.

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I mean, I like say,
I think they have Like I mean

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again, I'm a U yet six
fan for all, like, like I'll

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own up to that they they have
not Everything they've done is not been great.

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There have been times I'd just been
like, ah, like what's going

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on here? But I was like
thinking of this is kind of a a

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lot of my like one of my
closest friendship groups is kind of built around

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us having a few drinks and going
towards UNI at six and having the best

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time and what it's like self awareness
of like this is a bit silly,

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but we have have a great time. So I'm going to miss that side

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of it. But at the same
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say, if if this is them
legitimately calling time and being like we're done,

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close a chapter and if they're gonna
come back, leave it for ten

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years when you know that the nostalgia
is really like right for it? Who

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knows, But a part of me
is feeling like I don't I can't see

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this being a long term thing that
the with how quickly nostalgia cycles come back

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around. Now. I can see
Unit six getting caught back up in it

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soon enough, but I did just
the announcement video is the funniest I've ever

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seen, like the Grasstones, Sucker
Punch on my self, serious band ever

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and it is not justified in the
slightest Like again, no hint of camp

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in that video, Like what the
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so sincere, And I'm just like, are you actually walking from cemetery?

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They're burning their iconic six logo?
The whole is incredible, and Josh reading

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poetry about time in the most serious
man, I'm like, that guy does

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not have an ironic bone in his
body, Like bless him for it,

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Like there is a time and a
place to be this serious, hunit six

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and you are silly? Yeah,
like this serious going through that graveyard and

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seeing all the little dates with the
albums again, this band have never released

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an album I've liked, Right,
I have no positive attachment with any of

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those albums on those gravestones, but
seeing them was like, oh man,

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we have been on a journey,
Like I remember Sucker Punch, I remember

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night People, It's weird though,
because it feels like since Night People there's

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been something a bit kind of wounded
puppy about U me at six, like

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there's just been something ever so slightly. It's been up and down. It's

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been up and down, even like
in the up and down as it's there's

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something kind of pitiful about the whole
thing. I don't even mean that as

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if I'm trying to be horrible.
It's just they've kind of had this quality

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where it's like they're waiting to bow
out at any moment. And you know,

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I'm not going to pretend that I
care that much. They're not going

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to be a band anymore. But
their longevity twenty years as a band,

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that's what struck me. Like they're
about as old as Blink were when they

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did Neighborhoods, and you think they
went away for you know, half a

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decade or whatever it was, and
I don't know. I think back to

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the big British rock bands of the
late twenty early twenty tens, there aren't

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many in a place as good as
Blink now, Like Funeral for a Friend,

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will look for My Valentine, I
don't know who else you want to

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throw out there like they they're kind
of up there. It's chicari and bring

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me in. Yeah. Well,
I mean here's the other question is,

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as said I in a perverse kind
of way, I have more respect for

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UNI at six dipping out at this
point and properly closing a book on it

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than I do, as I say, the Kissing Glasshouses and Mallory Knockers of

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This World and the Blackout and whatever
who were shit fucked off and then have

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just waited for now to come back
to them, whereas ub At six,

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you know, try to be a
real band for a while, but when

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you go back to you know,
the that era and some of the bands

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who have become successful, you know, like I said, this is an

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opportunity to have conversation about, you
know, almost doing like an autopsy,

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a critical assessment of what a band
like Unit six achieved in their career.

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the fact that they were the one who

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actually managed to stick out for so
long, is you know, a point

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in their in their favor in terms
of their success and so on. The

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other side of that is in like
twenty ten, twenty eleven, they were

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like one of the from a UK
perspective, they were like one of the

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biggest bands in all of rock music
at that point time in terms of like

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bands who were sort of you know, relevant at that time, and they

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were around and again they collaborated with
that points in time, bands like Bring

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Me the Horizon and you know Parkway
Drive and you know Enner Shakari and so

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on bands, all of those bands
significantly heavier, more extreme, more challenging

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than the Umik six were. Those
bands have gone on to become like genuine

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some of the giant bands of their
generation. Of those three bands, Inner

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Shakhari are almost like the kind of
like the band who have achieved the least

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sort of crossover success of those three. It's wild to think about Bring Me

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the Horizon obviously arguably the most important
band of their era, while U Me

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at six past that point, got
completely relegated to the nostalgia circuit and constantly

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being a band that were important to
people when they were fifteen years old.

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As you said, Sam, they
have done the nostalgia circuit so many times,

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with each album going up to Cavalier
Youth, and then as soon as

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they have done that, they go
right, well, we can't do that

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anymore out And I think you can
boil it down to again, how bands

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like bring Me Your Parkway or someone
who, like I said, more challenging,

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more extreme bands than U Me at
six, how they have managed to

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play the real long game and become
genuinely large and meaningful. Important is whatever

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you think of like modern bring me
material, whether you prefer old Parkway Drive

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to new Parkway Drive, whatever,
those are progressive, forward thinking bands and

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are you know, to be really
brutal about it, those are interesting bands.

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And UNIET six were a bad one
whose artistic bankruptcy left them nowhere to

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go, no avenues to pursue that
wouldn't bite them in the arse. And

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that's how Bringing the Horizon and n
Shikari and Parkway Drive become bands who genuinely

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mean something in a long term sense, and UNI at six got perpetually trapped

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in Remember sinners never sleep well.
The thing is, I don't think it

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was through a lack of trying,
few means, it's because they did,

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you know, try to pivot their
sound to be more really pitiful tries though.

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Wasn't it like they weren't good tries
but they were you know, attemptional

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you know, be more than just
a nostalgia band, and every time it

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just it didn't work because that audience
don't like like, they weren't interesting or

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challenging enough then at that point to
appeal to the people who were going with,

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you know, the weirder left turns
that Chicairo were taking, and it

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wasn't hitting on the same way of
like bring me the horizons kind of more

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like simplified pop rock kind of takes. So they just kind of, yeah,

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it just left them with no where
to go. They were kind of

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like an island that you know,
could play at five in the afternoon at

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Redding Festival and get and get a
decent crowd, but never go any higher

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than that ever. Again. Yeah, and I think that's a weird kind

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of it's a weird trap to fall
into the band because you know, like

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you said something, they did try
other things they didn't. It wasn't for

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lack of trying. It was just
it was just sort of sad each and

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every time they check aged attacked and
on the last couple of records, which

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seems have gone down better with the
fan base than the proceeding to the last

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one, happened last Yeah, the
two. Yeah, even that is a

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pretty embarrassing thing that even people I
know who like you Meet six are sort

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of they kind of go, yeah, you know, it's I feel that

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they're band who whose days of being
in any way sort of cool were long

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behind them before they started to change
things up. I don't know how you

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drag that back. So in a
sense, in a way, they're kind

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of going out of the perfect point. Yeah, I mean, like I

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said, when you when you are
such a limited band. The reason I

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think the Unit six and they or
worth so poisonous for a while is because

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they limited the scope of what a
successful rock band in the UK looked like

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for such a you know, horrible
period of time and such the life out

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of it is when you are such
a limited band like that, when you

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try and be chameleonic and try and
engage with the things, you fall on

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your fucking ass and you things like
sucker punch and what's it like in all

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this bullshit? So this moment of
Unit six going out, you know,

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it is a moment to be like
like, they love them, will hate

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them. They were an important band
in terms of their impact on the UK

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rock scene. There will certainly be
a band remembered in the history books for

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some sense of that, whether you
were down with that or not. I

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you know again I have I have
been waiting for this moment and asking for

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this moment for a long time now, because I was like, they're all

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going, and now someonem are fucking
coming back, while Unit six still haven't

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gone yet. It's, you know, like I said, wipe the slate

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clean. But at the same time, you know, for anyone who this

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band were important to or whatever,
like I said, I don't begrudge you

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going to the farewell tour or anything
like that. It's just the moment to

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look back and be like, yeah, that was that was UBI at sixes

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and don't fucking come back in twenty
twenty eight to do take off your colors

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inful I swear to fucking God,
get a real job. Josh Francis,

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Josh Ronjesky, solo alms coming.
A bet one of them is going,

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who is he going to go for
a solo career? That's the other bet?

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Will you attempt to so what will
we do consider attempts to change being?

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So? What would that? That
is the magic of Josh Francesc.

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No one knows, No one knows
all right, new music. I guess

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touched very briefly on this because it
is a cover at the end of the

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day, but Paramol's talking Heads cover
that we sort of sabbing an out a

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little while Ago is out. Now
it's the song it's called burning the House

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Down something like that. I'm not
really a talking head of Fishnado myself,

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so I'm again for me, this
is almost like hearing just a new song,

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because the Talk one of those bands
where I recognize their influence on a

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lot of things, but I don't
actually spend any meaningful amount of time listening

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to them or whatever. I hear
this and I go, that's just so

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fitting for Paramore, Like the it's
so obvious in terms of like where their

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recent material has been. But just
like the little leaps and like keys and

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stuff that's all in this song,
all the like the little guitar pops that

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are less like melodic leads and just
like strange little noodlely bursts. It sounds

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like the kind of thing that you
know, Taylor would write on a recent

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Paramol record anyway, For me,
again, like fuller production and a more

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kind of to my taste vocal delivery
from Haley on something like this, it's

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just it's very pleasant to listen to
it. It makes a whole lot of

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sense. Yeah, I mean,
this is this one that the handful of

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talking Head songs I really no one
really like, and it just it is

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perfectly suited to Paramore. Hailey's charisma
and personality comes from the vocals about those

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little like say guitar bits and all
flourishes all that. It's so just it

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would like when it was that Paramol
coming Talking Heads was like that's a no

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brainer. And this song in particular
feels so perform inland with what they were

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doing on This is Why all that
and yeah, just a lot of fun

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to listen to. It's not much
more to add on it. It's just

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like one of those things that just
makes sense. I love this. I

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love the Talking Heads anyway, and
Paramore in the best era by far,

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so it's a good match sort of
from the off and Burning down the House

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is I think maybe impossible to turn
into a Nott banger like you could probably

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do like a Rainbow Rhythms drum circle
version of it, and it would be

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incredible because it's just down to its
essence a fucking great song and Paramore don't

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really do anything to it, like
they basically play it completely straight, but

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they're on the form of their lives
and it's always it's one of one of

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my absolute, absolute favorite talking Head
songs, but it's one of the most

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instantly likable, so just they can't
miss. Yeah. Like I said,

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it's like fattening up the production and
the bass and stuff like that just makes

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it sound really sumptuous. This came
out last week, and I think it's

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worth a more, you know,
slightly more in depth discussion of a piece

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of music. It's an EP from
a band who we've reviewed in the past

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called k and Nashi. They released
on Friday their new EP with a really

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long name. It's called The Three
Faces of Beauty, a violent misinterpretation of

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Morgan Montgomery. This band we reviewed
their last It's like Deer Lemon House,

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Yeah, yeah, And I like
I remember it being mad, but I

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like I didn't. I kind of
it went back to the back of my

406
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,079
mind terms on anything I was actively
revisiting or anything, and I remember the

407
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,920
bizarre, sort of intense, conceptual, sort of storytelling side of it,

408
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,440
and putting this EP on again a
couple of years after I'd last listened to

409
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:26,119
them. Realistically, this Kanashi Man
like this band, I don't know how

410
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,839
much actual sort of hype or buzz
they're getting it again to compare them to

411
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:36,960
bands like The Zulu, for example, or like they on the kind of

412
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,440
more crazy Matthew side, where it
doesn't feel like they're quite as like spoken

413
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,079
about and omnipresent as those, But
my god, in terms of making an

414
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,160
impact on you, I feel like
they should be spoken about a little bit

415
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:56,400
more. This is like one of
the most like genuinely like nervous, meltdown

416
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,599
sounding bands on the planet right now. The singer, I know, he

417
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,839
sounds like a sesameat Street character but
in the midst of like some kind of

418
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:10,000
violent psychosis. But I checked in
on this and the first song he's doing

419
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,160
that. So I crossed the street
again and again and I just heard that

420
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,240
and went, OK, yeah,
I'm gonna pause this. I'm gonna put

421
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,759
a pin in that we're gonna come
back to this and talk about it properly

422
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,079
on the next show. This EP
is like, I know, it's early

423
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,720
days everything, but when you're talking
about EPs of the year and stuff like

424
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:27,960
that this is fucking wild, this
thing. I mean, I loved that

425
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,640
last K I really like this band
of just doing something genuinely weird and different

426
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,519
within kind of hardcore, and this
EP is probably my favorite thing they've done.

427
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,000
Yeah, I don't remember enjoying that
album as much as I have this.

428
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,559
Like this, there's more of like
a kind of like low end,

429
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:51,319
kind of like heaviness to this rather
than like the album was a lot more

430
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,839
frantic and chaotic and kind of all
over the shop. This is more of

431
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,559
like I think, a consistent musical
through lining, just kind of a short

432
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,400
space. But again, thevocal is
gonna be the thing that Evan is gonna

433
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,680
latch on into us. Like you're
either gonna love it or hate it,

434
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,240
depending on how much you can get
with those vocals. It's on the on

435
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,759
the truck, I hate the Son
of car Keys, whereas that that oh

436
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,559
my god, look at what you
did to me a bit where it just

437
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,519
stopped and he shrieks. I burst
out laughing because it is it's such an

438
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,680
insane sound, but because this band
are just nailing this kind of like demented

439
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:25,240
meltdown, kind of like freak out
music. His vocals sounded like that are

440
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:26,880
just what they should be for this
sort of thing. Yeah, fully,

441
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,599
because I remember that last record coming
out, but I completely forgot about this

442
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640
band and it was only going back
to listen to this and seeing that deer

443
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:40,400
Lemon Housel cover on Spotify and going
the Mickey Mouse band, the Teenager from

444
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,079
the Citizens band and listen. I
think they're I think they're great because I

445
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,839
can kind of enjoy them on both
levels, Like you say, genuinely funny,

446
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:53,559
like laugh out loud moments all over
this EP because it's so it's just

447
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:56,920
sort of like wrongheaded and deranged,
and especially with the more low end thing

448
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:03,039
that voice sticks out. Yeah,
and like that sound I just associate with

449
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:10,079
confidence and having a singer who's shrieking, like grassing their street over that noise.

450
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,759
Just the two things don't sit together
naturally in my brain and it makes

451
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:17,680
it feel so fresh. And I
mean normally this is said as a defense

452
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,400
of things that are a bit shit, but I listened to this and it

453
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,759
just sounds like it would be so
much fun to make, like to the

454
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,119
point where it's infectious. Like you
can just imagine the band sitting around a

455
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,759
laptop having mental ideas just throwing it
out there for the hell of it.

456
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,759
I think this is awesome. I
can I can see that, but I

457
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:40,920
also feel like that the genuine like
nervous, fucking you know, lashing out

458
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,000
energy of it, like I know
that again, a lot of it is

459
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,720
like character based and stuff like that, and there's a you know again names

460
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,640
of characters have drawn and stuff.
So I don't know how much this is

461
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,359
drawing from a real experience or whatever, but like that first track again,

462
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,799
it's it's it's one of the most
memorable songs of the year, I guarantee

463
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:02,200
it, Like in the same way
that fucking you know you say loud dispute

464
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,039
to anyone and they'll think about,
you know, well, I still going

465
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,400
to to heaven if I kill myself
or whatever, that kind of thing,

466
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,599
like Kay and Ashley Now to me
was read and I crossed the Cross the

467
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,799
Street man to me now and it's
like in a way again, it's so

468
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,759
out there and funny, Like I
put this EP on with my girlfriend in

469
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:21,119
the room just because I thought,
let's see how this goes. And I

470
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,400
put that first song on and the
kind of like the weird like twinge of

471
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,319
the head the look that she sort
of gave when when she started recognizing what

472
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:32,359
was happening, and then she like
sat down and was glued to like the

473
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,440
screen as like the lyrics were going
past for the entire remaining fifteen minutes of

474
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,599
the EP. It's one of those
things but like if you're walking past it,

475
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,200
you just be like, what what
is this? And that song having

476
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,599
that effect, but also like the
genuine kind of like you know, this

477
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,480
sort of the anxiety attack feeling of
like just telling the story of a man

478
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,519
crossing the street and all of the
things that are coming to play in a

479
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,839
decision like that, you know,
the white woman thinks I'm following her whatever,

480
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,759
The kind of that was like,
oh, everyone's looking at me,

481
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,039
and that inner voice like getting louder
and is just just one song. It

482
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:08,799
is wildly fucking immersive and effective,
and the rest of the EP like those

483
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,279
the I agree that kind of the
low end of the band, they've got

484
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,839
these like tech metal riffs. It's
almost like at points I'm thinking about the

485
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,240
kind of almost like funk sort of
tech metal riffs of like Issues or something,

486
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,599
but like meets not loose, like
kind of heavier and harder, like

487
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,279
We Got One has like a Black
Dahlia murder type breakdown in it. I

488
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,359
hate the sound of car Keys has
again that sort of canistal boys like mathcore

489
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:36,400
fretting up and down. It's fucking
just mental. How many hard moments again

490
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:40,839
combined with those like disarming outbursts of
oh my god, all these fucking shit,

491
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,440
it's so just like battery again.
It reminds me of like the Not

492
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,119
to Lose Ep from a couple of
years ago, and like the sudden individual

493
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,920
moments of just like completely wrecking you
as a person. And then you get

494
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,720
to the last song, Exit part
five, and again it's like this whole

495
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,559
like this whole you know, sort
of wildly delivered narrative about like being scared

496
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:07,000
to come out to your parents over
this like tech metal disco part at the

497
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,599
end. Yeah, and there's there's
almost like a cheerleader chant or something in

498
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,039
there, but that hook has been
stuck in my head awake. But if

499
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:14,960
I say cheerleader chant, I don't
know how else to say it, but

500
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,440
that makes it sound a bit more
zany than it actually is. It's delivered

501
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,400
very seriously. There's just there's so
much going on there. Yeah, no,

502
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,839
I mean that last song is one
of my again I said this AP's

503
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,440
my family can Ashton, that last
song probably might be the songs that have

504
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,920
really stuck me from them. I
mean, that's what again, because it

505
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,559
is coming from an experience, like
obviously this is coming from the pole,

506
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,200
from like the black experience of coming
out to a black family, about being

507
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,400
getting all that and how hard and
the pressure of that and the fear the

508
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400
who like I said, get my
fear and my shame, take it all

509
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,759
away. Hook at the end just
kind of nailing this feeling of like I

510
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,440
wish I didn't have to do this, and it is really painted and it

511
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,480
kind of is where it burns that
line between the storytelling and the kind of

512
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,680
the real things out the focus.
Yeah, possibly had to go through,

513
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,880
and it just it adds an element
of like genuine like pain and anguish to

514
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,799
it that is really impactful. And
I just think like they now that with

515
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,880
the kind of chaotic musicist musicianship and
liken' like I say that kind of the

516
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,239
disco bits and all that, but
without it never feeling quite as like zany

517
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,719
and like oh look at us being
like weird and crazy. It's all just

518
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,920
kind of like for them, it's
just like what free, what like manic

519
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,199
lashing out can we do to just
sell this pain? And they just throw

520
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,159
it all in there. Yeah,
And I think that the voice being that

521
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,559
strange it disarms it in a way
that makes those more emotional moments even more

522
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:37,039
effective, because there's certain things with
extreme music where we almost have it almost

523
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,360
feels like a language where you got
I know when this is going to happen,

524
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,760
and when the singer does this,
it means that even if I can't

525
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,079
tell what they're saying, bloody,
bloody, you know, et cetera,

526
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,239
et cetera, when it's that voice
going into those moments, you're like,

527
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,119
just ten minutes ago, I was
laughing my head off at this person,

528
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:59,960
and now it's this unnerving, alarming, sort of emotionally vulnerable with that say

529
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,719
voice, and it just it kind
of cuts through your defenses in a way.

530
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,119
Yeah, I think you know,
it's it's like this mini concept narrative

531
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,079
EP that feels like a fucking explosion, Like I certainly think you know it,

532
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:16,000
like for it's seventeen minutes or whatever, Like, there will not be

533
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:21,960
many pieces of music that at least
like keep your attention just like as firmly

534
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,719
as that over the course of its
run time. So yeah, really really

535
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,760
wild piece of work there from Kay
and Ashy with its very long name.

536
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,599
It's the the Morgan Montgomery EP is
what I'll probably end up calling it,

537
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,840
right. We also have new music. We had an EP from Military Gun.

538
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:43,920
It's called Life under the Sun.
This is like largely acoustic Military Gun.

539
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,000
Yeah, yeah, which Military Gun
for me are like, again,

540
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:49,480
not a band I really fall them
for yet, And in a way it's

541
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:53,519
kind of it's it's not like they're
chiller anyway than like the average thing that's

542
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:58,719
popular in hardcore. So doing like
your angel dust campfire versions with like a

543
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,320
bunch of guests who I don'tcessarily go
to it for. But you know,

544
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,119
if you are a Military Gun fan, you probably love those songs a lot

545
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,519
and maybe you'll be interested to hearing
the alternate version of it. But we

546
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,039
also have this is interesting bad Omens. They're back again. They've released a

547
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,400
single which is from a upcoming piece
of work. But I guess is a

548
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,880
bit of like maybe like the way
they're one of the bands they really rip

549
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,920
off health do like their kind of
collab sort of record type things. They've

550
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,679
released a single from this upcoming record. It is in collaboration with Poppy.

551
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,679
It's called V A N, which
is Violence against Nature. It's actually,

552
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,119
you know, it's it's it's a
metalcore song like bad Omens do, but

553
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:38,920
the vocals are entirely done by Poppy. You know, Noah is nowhere to

554
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,320
be seen in terms of his vocal
starlings or whatever. And I again checking

555
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,880
on some of like bad Omens because
it is so I know, we've said

556
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,199
that we might not necessarily review their
albums and stuff like that, but I

557
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,760
was at least intrigued by what a
bad Omens Poppy collab sounds like. And

558
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,199
it is, like, you know, maybe it's because it is. It's

559
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,360
basically like a grime song, isn't
it. It's like, you know,

560
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,280
the kind of even like the sort
of cut off screen parts that Poppy is

561
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,199
doing, like at the end of
something. It's straight off of a grime

562
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,880
track from like ten years ago or
whatever. But for the kind of you

563
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,199
know, zero zero zero threat riffs
that bad Omens tend to do. There's

564
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,199
a bit more energy in this one. They've got those like again the health

565
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Rip beats with kind of Poppy's voice
on it, like it's a solid kind

566
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:28,199
of like you know, industrial take
on the kind of metalcore thing they do

567
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,000
at the moment. It's not the
worst, and this is probably the most

568
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,880
I've liked a bad Omens. I
really like Poppy. I think she's like

569
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,280
her delivery on this is really good. I think musically it is very competent,

570
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,280
hyper polished electronic metal core sort of
stuff. Right. The health influence

571
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,000
is really obvious. I don't think
it's like outstanding, but it didn't like

572
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,679
I didn't get this feeling or feeling
like I'm listening to something that is so

573
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:58,000
soulless that I've got from when I've
listened to actual bad Omens songs in the

574
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:01,039
past, So you know, yeah, better from them, Yeah yeah,

575
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:05,960
without those kind of like R and
B kind of pop elements and stuff that

576
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,360
Noah puts into forced emotional sort of
stuff that yeah, I think, you

577
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,239
know, certainly again it kind of
like, you know, obviously I really

578
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,599
liked the you did as well that
when spirit Box did they kind of industrial

579
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,039
metal types song with Rotoscope and this
isn't that good, but it's kind of

580
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,159
maybe bad Omens leading a little bit
in that direction, and yeah, it's

581
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,920
like not the worst thing. I
again interesting mixing of minds, at least

582
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,000
in terms of again people who are
very involved in the sort of current wave

583
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,400
of like you know, where heavy
music is going with stuff like this festival

584
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,280
announcements. The big one that we
will spend the most time discussing, I

585
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,480
guess is download added a bunch you
know, is this the final line up?

586
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,599
I guess there's probably a few more
to come, but we have a

587
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,920
whole bunch of men to being added
onto the download bill. It also means

588
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,159
that we have things like the we
can really look here at like day splits,

589
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:53,800
the things like the main stages and
so world and figure out kind of

590
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,079
how we assess them. In terms
of the new announcements, that's actually it's

591
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,440
not quite what I'm actually interesting talking
about. I want to talk more about

592
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,280
those things like, for example,
the stage running orders and stuff like that.

593
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,840
But you know, mister Bungle are
on there. They've also announced some

594
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,239
shows around that. I guess the
the new announcement that did get the most

595
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:16,119
people talking Sam is the fact that
Busted are making their for some people long

596
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:23,760
overdue for some people should never happen
appearance debut appearance at Donnington headlining the Avalanche

597
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,559
stage. I can't say I'm surprised. I guess I mean, I'll be

598
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:34,639
honest, that's playing well below their
status at the moment, given how the

599
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,840
arena run like, and it was
it was a sold out everywhere up and

600
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,159
down the Country Arena arena run,
so I guess they they kind of know

601
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:45,079
that they're they're stepping out of their
comment one so they'll play. So but

602
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,079
I kind of got told busted down
and I was like, oh they subthing

603
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,039
to fall out. Boy, that
to me just in like the no brainer

604
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,840
place to put them. Yeah,
headline the Avalanches was like okay, yeah,

605
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:59,079
and putting them on par with the
used does not feel entirely Billy Talent

606
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,199
have announced shows run down they're doing
like the Troxy, which is like two

607
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:05,920
thousand capacity. Yeah, so yeah, it's it's an odd one. But

608
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,960
that's gonna be a fucking insanely round
tent. You would imagine for as much

609
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960
as there will be people who will
like want to be a million miles away

610
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,480
from it, just like when they
turn up a slam Nun or something like

611
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,159
that, that there'll be people trying
to get into that fucking tent. Yeah,

612
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:21,440
I think so so. Looking at
the actual days of download though,

613
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,920
there's they're just bizarre shit in terms
of how they'll be put together again,

614
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,000
busted headline the avalanche page is one
thing. But when we look at some

615
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,079
of these stages, like what what
what are the things that jump out to

616
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,599
you? I guess in terms of
like either the best stuff, the most

617
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:44,119
exciting stuff, but also slightly head
scratching stuff. I mean Highland Sandwich between

618
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:47,039
Mister Bungle and bad Omens is like, I do you made me do a

619
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:52,840
double take? Is I? I
checked out bad Omens last year they headlined

620
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,880
the Dome that was that was their
last year, pretty pretty sensation like it

621
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,599
is. I was like I was, I was just just as to how

622
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,760
big when the head on the second
stage along like on level pegging with Planterarum

623
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,960
Machine, and I was like,
how big actually are there? Like like

624
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,800
and again, their rise in the
UK in the last twelve months has been

625
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,480
insane, but I was just kind
of like, that's crazy big for them,

626
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,760
and you know, like it's happening. But Hilung before them is mental

627
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,119
them, which you need to go
further than that scene Queen into all them

628
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:28,880
with them, which is yeah,
and then mister Bungle high Lung bad Omens.

629
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,400
And again it has been raised the
idea that Pat bad Omens fans are

630
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,239
the type to sort of like grab
a spot on the barrier or anything like

631
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,760
that, and if they're hanging around
watching Hylum, which is that there's like

632
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,519
full on folk music. Yeah,
like barely even a rock band, more

633
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,760
of a kind of you know,
chem ceremony than anything that's going to have

634
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,519
a breakdown in it. That is
one of the most bizarre top billings of

635
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:58,239
stages in download history. I guess
the other one that really is strained is

636
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:04,400
the opening rund of bands on Sunday's
Events Pole's main stage, where Code Orange

637
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,599
a sandwich between Lord and the Lost
and Boling for soup. Does that make

638
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:10,639
Code Orange? I mean, for
a start, I just want to say

639
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:14,880
Code Orange on the main stage,
fucking wick idiot to see. Code Orange

640
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,960
are the kind of band who,
again, while to some people they may

641
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,079
seem over hyped and like they've been
oversaturated or whatever, they don't actually get

642
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,039
great opportunities. A lot of the
time they have been a band who have

643
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,000
been you know, snuck away into
like the third stage at Download in the

644
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,119
past. Actually seeing them on the
main stage for a their big rock album,

645
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,679
which is most suited for it,
but be also maybe their least kind

646
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,239
of oh again, you know,
highly critically praised album. Their current run

647
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:44,960
wonderful to see, but being sandwiched
between essentially two shit bands, did you

648
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,039
think that make Code Orange look better
for their surroundings, like they'll light the

649
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,599
place on fucking fire? Or is
it like they are not supported by their

650
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,280
surroundings. I mean, going by
what happened to them when they did Download

651
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,039
in twenty fifteen and found themselves in
a similar position, I can't see it

652
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:05,079
working in their favor. But maybe
maybe people will see Lord of the Loss

653
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,159
and then see Code Orange and will
be like, oh fuck, okay,

654
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:12,440
this is the real deal going on
before bo That's gonna have much impact.

655
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,519
I guess like they're just you know, festival three PM band that people watch,

656
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:20,760
but it is just weird to see
them again be between two bands who

657
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,360
do not line up with their attitude
or their sound. In the slightest bowling

658
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,840
for super gonna be the problem because
if Lord of the Lost just do the

659
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Lord of the Lost thing, and
then Code Orange come on after them,

660
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:31,360
It's like, oh, yeah,
that's how you do it. But imagine

661
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,719
if at the end of that outbreak
set, some just comes in and goes

662
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,480
stick around for Bowling for Soup.
It's just like, I don't see how

663
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:45,039
those two things are gonna gel in
the slightest But I mean, I feel

664
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,280
like that main stage on the Sunday
is it's like they had to have two

665
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,599
things that I definitely didn't want to
see. It as if they were trying

666
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,679
to keep me away from the festival, because it's like Avenge Sevenfold, Limb

667
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,679
Biscuit, I'd like to see some
forty one before they go Code Orange.

668
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,199
There's loads of stuff on the other
stages, and just putting Lord of the

669
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,000
Lost and Bowling for Soup there is
like it's either trying to test me or

670
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:07,199
something. Yeah. I mean,
we're gonna talk a bit about Frank cart

671
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:08,559
and the Rats next later when we
get to the sort of new release stuff,

672
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:13,920
but you know that it's quite a
lot of on the Saturday. There's

673
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,559
a lot of like genuinely big have
played arenas in their own right sort of

674
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:21,880
bands there where at Chakari baby Metal
and Frank Carter being like Fifth Down,

675
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,559
maybe it's a surprise to people.
I also like the Friday main stuff Queen's

676
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:31,400
the stone Age right, like I
if it's not come across, I fucking

677
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,400
love Queens of stone Age. I
think then getting to play download and headline

678
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,360
it is a brilliant, so well
deserved thing. They generally they could well

679
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,159
be my favorite band to have been
in that like download headlining slot. I

680
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,679
love them that much, and part
of that is they are such an interesting

681
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,800
band and you could in the way
that again I've seen things like Queens of

682
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,119
stone Engine Friends, you know,
Finsbury Park, Dais and stuff like that.

683
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,679
You could make such a cool main
stage with Queens of stone Age headlining

684
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:07,239
it, right, And they haven't. Instead they've gone, oh, we're

685
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,440
going to turn Queens stone Age into
like the dad rock band of the day

686
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:16,119
and put together one of the most
pitiful download main stages you could imagine.

687
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,320
This was the sort of the main
sage that they managed to completely avoid last

688
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,880
year, and everyone was so happy
they like again, like Royal Blood,

689
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,159
you know, like them stubbing to
Queens of stone Age. I don't see

690
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,599
much of a problem with that.
They you know, a big rock band

691
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:35,239
who do a similar thing, and
we've you know, been like they're they're

692
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,360
decent, but my second favorite band
on that stage because I'm not into Polifia,

693
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,079
who are really out of place surrounded
by We're the one that's that stand

694
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,760
out as like are they there for? But the Bluestones those down. Yeah,

695
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,000
I just I don't think it's a
shame that Queens of Stone Age are.

696
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:53,840
Like I said, you could do
such a cool thing with bands beneath

697
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:59,880
them, and instead they've done the
most boring, predictable possible thing. And

698
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,840
as always, the fourth stages are
really good. It's incredible. Yeah,

699
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,639
there's a case of whether you want
to pay you that much money to go

700
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,320
and see largely the best stuff beyond
the fourth stage. Dying feat Us are

701
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,199
back. Everybody not on the main
stage this time, but you know you've

702
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,440
got Black Darling and Murder headline on
the fourth stage, like Fear Fact,

703
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,800
Dining fits into Fear Factor's cool that
like the Saturday the Friday where you've got

704
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:28,079
Zoom Callus, Dowboys, Zuli if
Speed Scale as a run, I quite

705
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:29,880
make them suffer, but they kind
of stick out a little bit. And

706
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,960
then helping to Bio has at the
end of the day, I'll have that

707
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,679
please. Yeah, like that's really
really good looking stage. I'm really taken

708
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,239
sort of surprise by how low Health. I don't know if that's just they're

709
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,920
inflated in some corners of the internet
and they don't draw that many people at

710
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,800
something like a download, but I
feel like there's few bands that get more

711
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,760
kind of nods than Health at the
moment. And I mean, just to

712
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,719
go back to that Friday main stage, it's just that's the sort of thing

713
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,840
that would be so exciting in that
situation, and you're just looking at like

714
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,119
I've been a defender of Blackstone Cherry
but like them again, I don't even

715
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,440
get the impression of the banner that
popular. Now, Yeah, I don't

716
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,079
know. We've also got the Sunday
headliner of Outbreak Festival. It's gonna be

717
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:17,480
American Football actually doing their LP one. The House one, I guess unless

718
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,880
the other ones all of houses on. I'm not entirely short of myself,

719
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,679
but the House one they are gonna
be. I guess you know that there's

720
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,039
been a little bit of like,
oh, not having a hardcore band player,

721
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:30,320
but I mean there's such a like
so self explanatory when it comes to

722
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,159
the emo side of what Outbreak is
our basement headline in the Saturday or is

723
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:37,719
there another there is another headline that
to come, So I'm guessing Basement surely

724
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,840
must be subbing to amage the football. That would make sense to me as

725
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,079
kind of like a hereage or emo
pairing that you would want to go like

726
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:45,920
and have a lot of time.
I mean, you probably could put on

727
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,119
Friday and do well, but or
a Saturday even Sorry, but what I

728
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,960
guess it's We've got two headlines Outbreak
so far, neither of them are hardcore

729
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:59,079
bands. Like, you've got to
have a third rigit hardcore as fuck headliner,

730
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,639
because again, American football playing Outbreak
I think makes sense. But at

731
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,159
this point you do need to start
going, let's have a hardcore band at

732
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:07,119
the top of this bill, because
it's a bit out of character. I'm

733
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:09,199
sure they will, it's just a
case of who that ends up being.

734
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,280
We also have two thousand Trees headliner
in the form of the chats. There's

735
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,119
some more additions on there as well, like Spanish love Songs, Death from

736
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:21,960
Above, ninety seventy nine, Hot
Milk, then Overtwins, whatever, but

737
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,920
the Chats have been added in next
to the Gasol anthem as the headliner,

738
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,159
and that I guess it's one that's
drawn a few kind of a's them because

739
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:36,880
like again, I saw the Chats
opening Queena Snag's Arena tour like three months

740
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,480
ago or whatever, and I certainly
would not you know, they were fine,

741
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:39,960
but I would not have looked at
that band and gone like, oh,

742
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,960
yeah, that's the band who are
going to be headlining one of our

743
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,800
relatively major rock festivals this year.
A bit of a wildcard. Yeah,

744
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,280
I mean, I remember seeing there
was a bit of buzz on the Chats

745
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,679
album a couple of years ago where
black of people were like, really going

746
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,159
on. I've heard it have been
quite a sort of long running band at

747
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,400
this point, a decent way in
not band I'm too familiar with, but

748
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:04,360
just given how like two thousand Trees
have had I can't remember what they're they're

749
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,519
called now, but formerly slaves,
like yeah before, they feel like the

750
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,639
Chats will just appeal to the people
who will go watch that, So I'm

751
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:15,000
like, I'm sure they'll they'll do
a fine science slot. It makes sense

752
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,199
in terms of the kind of music
it is because as you say, there

753
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,480
is like there's a there's a realm
of stuff that I'm not that into that

754
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,599
does have a huge like place at
two thousand trees. I guess it's just

755
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:27,280
quite surprising that again I'm I'm always
waiting for someone like Creeper to kind of

756
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480
make their way to the top of
that and seeing them on like the third

757
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,360
row of this while the chats just
like out of nowhere sort of walton to

758
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,760
headlines but like oh bit bit mad
sort of you know, sister festivals in

759
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,000
that regard. We have Art Tangent
also adding some bands to their lineup.

760
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:43,840
They've got Mogwai, Electric Wizard,
Explosion to this Guy and Isan, so

761
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,599
good stuff at Art Tangent Botch.
This I guess is a bit of public

762
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:52,800
service announcement. Boch have announced that
their final shows a go to take place

763
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,280
in Seattle in June. This means
we are into unless they go back on

764
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,960
that, they have some things,
but we seem to be into the final

765
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:06,559
six months of the Boch reunion being
a thing. They are coming through the

766
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,760
UK in March. This has certainly
made me go, I should you know,

767
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,000
go along to that if you want
to see Botch. You need to

768
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,440
do it in the next six months
really, because apparently they're not going to

769
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,840
be a thing after that. A
band who are a thing again is the

770
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,000
wild Heart so combust at will that
they and then reconvene with a different group

771
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,719
of blokes. But they are back, they have a new lineup, they're

772
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,159
a live band again. They were
last around and I think twenty twenty one,

773
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,719
twenty twenty twoish. If you're a
big Wildhearts fan, I'm sure you'll

774
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,559
be related about that whole bunch of
tour announcements we had come in after those

775
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,719
festival ones. Pupil Slicer are doing
a UK headline tour, which I've actually

776
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,920
done before, and on that tour
they are going to be playing Blossom in

777
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,519
its entirety. I guess that's a
big show of faith in a new album.

778
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,920
Also, like you know, don't
entirely forget about the first one.

779
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,119
That one was good as well.
We have body Count as part of you

780
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,599
know around download. They are doing
a UK tour as well. I don't

781
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,719
know if body Count have actually played
in the UK in terms of like Wild

782
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,159
like proper UK tours that much,
which I can't remember that many so I'm

783
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:02,199
sure that's gonna be a big draw
for some people. The one of these

784
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:06,440
that I am really excited about is
High on Fire are coming back for a

785
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,400
UK tour over the summer. I
have been in a real High on Fire

786
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:13,599
thing lately. I haven't seen them
in about nine years, and I've been

787
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,719
really wanting them to come back again. This is one I'm absolutely going to

788
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,239
be like making sure I get to
this one. Elliot, are you gonna

789
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,519
like, does this draw you in? I've never seen high enough her,

790
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:28,320
so did this? Speed's ticking off? I can't believe it's been fucking six

791
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,440
years since that last record. Yeah, I mean this. I mean that.

792
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:35,440
There was a picture the other day
with the basis like holding like the

793
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,760
test press of their new album,
so that'll be coming presumably around the time

794
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,760
that this tour happens. But yeah, fucking good stuff. How far are

795
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,480
coming back for our American listeners,
I'm sure you would need this one ticking

796
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:47,920
off? Lord of the Lost.
Off the back of our discussion about them,

797
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,119
very recently, I've announced that they
are going to be going back to

798
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:54,199
the US for the first time in
a decade. I hope they play entirely

799
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:00,800
covers and play the Lady Guargard covers
twice because why not not also announce a

800
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,719
huge US tour with showing me the
Body, Loathe and Speed. That's gonna

801
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,760
be fucking massive over there. And
we also have my favorite. So as

802
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,639
said, we didn't do a lot
of news last week, we got straight

803
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:16,360
into the reviews. The one bit
of news from last week I did forward

804
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,519
into this episode because I just wanted
to talk about it was Winter Sun Updates.

805
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:27,679
We had the news that Time I
has very surprisingly apparently been completed.

806
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,039
One person who was surprised more than
anybody is the drummer in Winter Sun,

807
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:37,519
Kai Haato, who thought it was
a prank that it had been completed because

808
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,679
he apparently recorded his drum parts for
this in two thousand and six, when

809
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,239
Time one and Time two were I
guess to be one album at the time,

810
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:52,679
and so Time two's work has been
taking place on drum parts recorded during

811
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:58,960
the Bush presidency. This is even
more baffling now because at least like Fear

812
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,320
and Option had loads of rewrites,
but they must have had the songs compositionally

813
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,719
finished and somewhat recording two thousand and
six. You think, unless you were

814
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,960
putting in like one note for each
harp or whatever every day since then?

815
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,800
How is it possible? Why did
we fund that sauna if the drum tracks

816
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:21,760
were written in two thousand and six? Insane? Yeah, like you said

817
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,480
it. The fact that the skeletons
of the songs must have existed at that

818
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,960
point for drum parts to still make
sense fucking nearly two decades later, insane.

819
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,000
A piece of news I Routich enjoyed
is that Paul from Blooding Cantation and

820
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,880
Erica, who plays in a number
of bands like Escephalix and More Tooth and

821
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,360
so on, they got married this
week. They were married by none other

822
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:46,239
than Chris Rifert from Autopsy, who
I guess became an ordained minister so we

823
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,519
could do this performance death metal wedding. That's brilliant. Will you get married

824
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:53,360
by Chris rifer I would that it
would be a laugh, wouldn't it?

825
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:00,519
Like rather ride? But that would
be the dream scenario, I suppose.

826
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,840
Yes. Alison chains off the back
of our special. You know, at

827
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,519
the end of last year they were
teasing some thirtieth anniversary stuff around the Jar

828
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,760
of Flies EP, which is of
course really in nineteen ninety four. We've

829
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,039
got a kind of merch range for
it this week, including a pressing of

830
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:21,719
the vinyl that actually features dead flies
pressed into the record itself. You know,

831
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,800
I've seen again We've had like Nurgle
putting his blood in records or whatever.

832
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,840
We've seen that kind of thing before. Did fall out boid? Do

833
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:34,199
tears fall outvoided tears? But man, like I I'm no scientist, right

834
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,480
like, it blows my mind if
I stop and think about it, that

835
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:43,400
you can have like a piece of
plastic that has had like grooves cut into

836
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,039
it that then when you place a
fancy needle into those like wounds, it

837
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:52,559
will replicate the perfect sound of a
recording session from nineteen ninety four. Right

838
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:54,559
like that, I don't understand how
that works. Like I said, I

839
00:54:54,639 --> 00:55:01,679
know, scientist putting, then how
do you put dead animal inside that same

840
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,719
thing? Like, I just the
logistics of this. So someone out there

841
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,480
is like a you know, a
vinyl pressing plant worker or something. I'm

842
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:14,320
I feel like I'm like I'm watching
some kind of crazy episode of like Richard

843
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,840
Hammond's science show or something like.
I just to understand what the fuck how

844
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,920
this works. I'm just thinking that
every now and then there'll be a video

845
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,599
of like a vinyl press when that
goes viol and oh my god, this

846
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:28,400
is so a vinyls men now,
just like sprinkling in dead fires, the

847
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,880
little lump of wax that they flatten
down like, they must not like rot

848
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,280
or decay. They must be like
perfectly preserved inside forever unless in like twenty

849
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:43,320
years time you just can have a
horrible like mush I mean inside your record

850
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,679
fuck nose. Will do you buy
it? Oh god? Yeah? I

851
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:51,079
mean if if you even get hungry, just fly it's open. I mean,

852
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:52,159
if you think this is impressive,
waits, you see what they do

853
00:55:52,159 --> 00:56:00,119
with the self titled when they get
a three legged dog and pound it.

854
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,039
We can only dream and bring me
to life. I Have van Essence became

855
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:10,639
the latest rock song to surpass the
one billion streams on Spotify mark this this

856
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:15,920
past week. The new metal era
is like the real king of those,

857
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,079
isn't It's like so many of those
fucking songs, And this is a yeah,

858
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,559
deserved, perfect song. Right.
We've already been going for a fair

859
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,400
old while in terms of news,
but we are dua questions around or one

860
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,599
of these hyperblasts. So we've got
a handful here. We'll try and go

861
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:32,800
through them as efficiently as we can. Ryan Musgrove kicks us off at Barry

862
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,280
Tomorrow. Recently, Dan said that
the band has decided not to do any

863
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,719
encoorse moving forward as a bit of
a weird concept. Band pretends to leave

864
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,280
even though they know they are going
back on, given that in the time

865
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,360
it takes a band to come on
for an encore, they could have performed

866
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,639
another song. Do you think it's
about time that encoors are phased out?

867
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,199
You know, this is a subject
that we've we've spoken about a few times,

868
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,119
but I guess we've maybe not been
asked a direct question like do you

869
00:56:54,119 --> 00:57:00,559
think encore should be gotten rid of
or not? And I will elaborate furthermentarily,

870
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:05,119
but I will sort of say the
pussy footed thing of going certain scenarios,

871
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:10,360
Yes, certain scenarios quite quite quite
nice. What's your guys? Do

872
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,239
you have like a hard stance you
take on an encore? More so than

873
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,559
myself. I mean, I would
like to see encores outside of arena shows

874
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,519
phased out potentially, like when it's
when it's like in a smaller club.

875
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:25,159
But I just I don't see the
point in its love songs didn't do one

876
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:28,800
like and it didn't bother me one
bit because I was like, I've got

877
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,360
my show, Like, there we
go, Like all I'm missing is them

878
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,239
walking off for thirty seconds so we
can troll well more songs that we know

879
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,800
where they're going to play, because
they haven't played routine, pain and break

880
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,119
Faces everyone Like. I mean,
it's like it's if they haven't played those

881
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,599
songs that you know they're gonna play, it just it feels a bit redundant.

882
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,519
If you know it's an OnCore that
they're gonna come back and do something

883
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,599
genuinely left a field, I'd be
down for that. But yeah, in

884
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,320
smaller shows at least, I'm just
like just spin them off. I think

885
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,400
the only time it's really advisable is
if you're doing an album in full and

886
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,480
you want to sort of soak in
that moment when the main set is done.

887
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,519
But yeah, but generally, I
just find them a bit annoying because

888
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:07,159
they're not long enough for you to
go to the toilet or get a drink

889
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:08,760
or even chats when you're just sort
of stood in the dark waiting for the

890
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:14,960
quote unquote surprise and I get that
they kind of allow the energy to dip

891
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,159
so you can pick it up again. But I don't know. I think

892
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:20,360
back to when Slayer did their last
download and there was no pause and I

893
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,800
didn't get to the end of angel
A Death and think, oh, I've

894
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,079
had more energy. I would have
enjoyed that more if there was a break

895
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,039
beforehand. I think I don't want
them to go away because they are fun

896
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,159
when they happen, even though we
all know that they're going to happen.

897
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:35,920
But maybe if they were more like
a quarter of the time there was an

898
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,599
encore rather than going and going,
there's definitely going to be one every time

899
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:42,920
you see a band. Yeah,
that kind of just makes it feel a

900
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:49,639
bit redundant. I I think what
Sam was saying about like bands getting slightly

901
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,280
above their stations, Like if you're
playing a club, like you don't need

902
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,599
to put in some like big.
I know it's nice to dream big and

903
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,960
treat every show like you're playing an
arena or something, but like you don't

904
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:02,320
have to have to do that.
And like, if I'm seeing a hardcore

905
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,039
band, they probably won't do an
encore anyway, but certainly you don't need

906
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:09,880
to. If I'm seeing like a
small death metal or black metal band or

907
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,519
something. It's not necessary. Again, a lot of those bands, certainly

908
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:16,199
in the black metal world, might
not do something like that. But in

909
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:21,639
terms of like larger shows, I
do think there is value in the more

910
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:27,039
a show becomes treated like a show
rather than like you know, a band

911
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,440
playing songs that I do start to
see some value with them. The ab

912
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,280
in full point, I do agree
with it's nice to have again, specially

913
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,719
a band's got an album's got a
big grand closer or something, let that

914
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,920
moment it out. Yeah, yeah, And then I think about you know,

915
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,679
times I've seen like Judas Priest or
something and like you know, encore,

916
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,320
they'll come out and maybe they'll open
the encore with Electric Eye or something

917
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,360
and they get the helly and starting
up again, or you know, he

918
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,639
comes out on the Harley for hell
Bent file ever or whatever. Again,

919
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,039
like the the pesche Mode encore that
they've been doing, where like at the

920
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,800
end the main set will enjoy the
silence. It allows you to kind of

921
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,519
have like a set closer and then
to have another set clothes. You know,

922
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,679
that big moment like, yeah,
enjoy the silence is like one of

923
01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:07,360
the biggest fucking songs ever. You
can like go crazy with a huge ending

924
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,400
like that and then come out and
do more and then end on you know,

925
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:15,719
personal Jesus again. And I think
there is a that point of the

926
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,320
energy up and then going down or
whatever certain shows that is nice to have

927
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,599
that moment of Again, let's have
a grand re entrance for the start of

928
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:29,880
an encore whatever again, use your
favorite appropriate example or whatever. Iron Maiden

929
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,400
could have like a really good ones
of starting encore with like fucking you know,

930
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:36,760
oh shit, they're doing aces high
or something again to come out like

931
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:42,000
that'd be brilliant. That idea of
like refreshing, letting the moment sink in

932
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:46,400
and then going again I think does
have. I so as a blanket rule,

933
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,400
I would not see encores like banned
or phased out or whatever. But

934
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:58,920
I do think there are scenarios and
types of show where it is more appropriate

935
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:02,760
in terms of seeing you know,
any old rock or metal band or whatever

936
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:07,280
in a you know sort of let's
say, like an Academy venue or lower

937
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:14,239
I do not necessitate an encore.
Couldn't we bring back intermissions maybe for some

938
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:15,719
bands? Again, it wouldn't work
for all bands and I think back to

939
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,119
that Goho show at the Royal abber
Hole and it was like twenty five minutes

940
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:22,400
in the middle where I think Cradle
of Filthy two sets with a little Braain

941
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,679
Yeah Town at the Royal abbitt Hole. When I saw him, he did

942
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:28,960
that way. He did the Zill
Toyd set, then had an intermission,

943
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,519
then did the fan request and it
was it was a nice break between the

944
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:36,480
two. Did you get the opener
and the closer that way? And it's

945
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,039
enough time to you know, get
a drink or talk to someone and kind

946
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:43,519
of that refreshes you in a different
way. It's I get for some things

947
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:50,639
it would maybe zap the energy out
a little bit too much. But as

948
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,639
an alternative to every band doing encores, I think for some bands it could

949
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:58,960
work. Yeah. And again with
like huge arena SHOs and stuff like that,

950
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,599
there's a lot of points. There
are breaks anyway, in terms of

951
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:06,679
like people going off stage, things
moving around on the stage, logistically changes,

952
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,960
yeah, exactly. And again encorese
very naturally feed into that where you

953
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:14,400
might not even say if the argument
here is scrap your on core and you

954
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,880
can fit in another like three four
minute song at something like an arena show

955
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,320
that does not necessarily happen anyway,
because those logistically moving around. Whereas as

956
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,960
said, if you're playing the Underworld
or something, maybe you can fit in

957
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,119
something like that. So it depends
on you know, the logistics of the

958
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:35,360
environment around you. I suppose Chromosomed
asks my wife is a maniac and prefers

959
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,199
a lot of depeche Mode covers to
the depeche Mode originals. Are there any

960
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:40,280
bands whose songs we think are better
when covered? I mean, I can

961
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,280
certainly think of the opposite in terms
of bands I never want to hear covered

962
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,559
again. Maybe specific songs I never
want to hear covered again. Please do

963
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:52,840
not cover Zombie by the Grand Breeze
ever. But this is an interesting question,

964
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,280
not because this is a There is
a difference here between like individual cover

965
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,719
versions of like oh, I think
that song is better when done by so

966
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,000
and so, and more like As
a rule, this band writes songs that

967
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:06,320
I like, but I think they
are better in other people's hands, and

968
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,199
that, as like a rule to
enforce is extremely rare. I think where

969
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:15,159
like they by definition they must have
produced a number of songs that you enjoy

970
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:21,519
but hard to again, like Depeche
Mode and the Misfits seem to be like

971
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:27,480
common choices where I go absolutely no
fuck off, blasphemy if you are saying

972
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,719
that Misfits covers as a rule are
better by other bands. But I am

973
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,599
conscious that maybe my answers that I
would come out with other people who have

974
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:37,239
different tastes than me would be would
say the same thing in terms of like

975
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:43,280
no fuck off. Those are their
songs, you know. So do you

976
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,360
have any examples where this strange rule
might come into play. I mean I

977
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,960
racked my brain for the second of
any band where I'm like, as a

978
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,599
blanket rule, yeah, type like, there are some things where like I

979
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,239
love hearing bands do covers when I
think some bands when they do cover,

980
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,519
they're always really great fun. But
I don't necessarily have a I could.

981
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:04,840
I just couldn't think of anything.
Around'm like, no, no that that

982
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,679
I don't like that band, but
if they're being covered, I've always liked

983
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:11,159
it or something. And this is
really odd because, like you said,

984
01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:14,400
there's plenty of bands which I don't
want to it covered at all, and

985
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,039
there's some bands who I think are
generally when they're covered it's quite well.

986
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:21,000
So something that Iron Maiden, but
those melodies are so strong it's just easy.

987
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:24,519
Yeah, in a way. But
it's like you say, they have

988
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:27,760
to have great songs, but the
sound of the band has to be the

989
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,159
thing that's lacking. But they also
have to be popular enough to be covered

990
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:34,079
a lot to notice the pattern.
So there's to be a popular band that

991
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:40,119
isn't that great, that writes great
songs. And I couldn't think of anything.

992
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:43,400
Really. The only one that came
close, and I kind of had

993
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:48,320
to dismiss it again was I nearly
said, Nick Cave, that's a you

994
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:51,119
must have a lot of conviction in
that, you know, that's a bold

995
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:54,119
choice, is what I would rather
say. This is the thing, not

996
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:58,519
really I had to kind of back
out again because I think the thing is

997
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,159
he's basically been covered by everyone good
like Johnny Cash has done his song song

998
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:08,119
Kill Moon, PJ Harvey, like
Metallica, and but are they better than

999
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:10,719
the originals? This is again,
that's really the question, because one of

1000
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:15,199
my favorite covers ever is six doing
Tuppolo. But that's mostly because the original

1001
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:19,280
song is one of the greatest songs
ever made. It's I couldn't I couldn't

1002
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,360
think of anything else, like,
Yeah, that's that's a band that I

1003
01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:26,480
like their songs, but I prefer
when other people do them. Yeah,

1004
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:30,079
I mean again what I was saying
about the way I would sort of like

1005
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,360
pull a funny face if someone says
depeche Mode all the misfits, the ones

1006
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,480
that I would maybe come out with. I'm sure people out there will do

1007
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,400
the same. But again, if
this happening in the same week as that

1008
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,440
Paramore cover, again, the Talking
Hair is not really a band I listened

1009
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,679
to very much. And when I
listened to those two songs back to back,

1010
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,440
I did. I enjoyed the Paramore
one more for things like the delivery

1011
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,239
and production. So and again,
I'd have to go and find a whole

1012
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:53,480
bunch, but maybe they could be
a contender for me. I think similarly,

1013
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:54,920
it'll be things that are kind of, you know, it's kind of

1014
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,639
old things where the original versions of
things maybe haven't majorly connected with me in

1015
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:02,840
terms of being like a favorite.
But I like when like heavy metal bands

1016
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,800
and bands with a bit more bite
lay into them, things like Pat Bennetta

1017
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,440
for example, or The Runaways and
stuff like that. I'm sure I could

1018
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,519
find some great you know, slightly
harder covers of even like you know,

1019
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,920
A weird example would be like the
Beatles, because like there are like I

1020
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:23,840
can think of two at least Beatles
covers by bands I love god which I

1021
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:30,800
prefer, sorry Godhead, I mean
the type of negatives Beatles, like Medley.

1022
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:33,360
There's also Ghosts version of Here Comes
to Some which I massively to the

1023
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:38,760
original. But there are also other
Beatles songs that I like where maybe I

1024
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,360
can't picture some of the weirdness and
magic that's in the original recording being recaptured

1025
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:46,000
somewhere else. I wouldn't enforce that
as a rule. Again, I would

1026
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,320
major I would have to really stop
and think about this because I'm sure some

1027
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:55,760
people would like again really fucking revolt
against this, So I'm not committing to

1028
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,679
it. But the Ramones maybe popp
into my head where I like. I

1029
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:03,239
obviously I love the Ramones. I
think the Ramones are great, but the

1030
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:10,360
originals of those songs are rarely like
hard or particularly fast. They're such a

1031
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,480
kind of happy, go lucky kind
of punk band of that era. And

1032
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:16,840
when I think about, like you
know, unto Others, to Mayhem,

1033
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,000
to Gallows or whatever, like all
covering Ramone songs putting a bit more kind

1034
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,400
of like ah into it. I
do get that. I like that,

1035
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,280
so maybe them, I don't know. I was thinking more about, like,

1036
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,760
there's bands who I love being covered
where I just always welcome covers of

1037
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,320
them again, The Misfits, Blue
Oyster Cult, Thin Lizzy. I mean,

1038
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,440
that's almost why I put the Ramones
in. Is there a band I

1039
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,599
love? Yeah, scouted a Romones
cover when I saw them, and it

1040
01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:45,519
was sure like like Bathery and Venom. I love when people do covers of

1041
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:49,119
those, But all of those bands, those covers aren't usually better than the

1042
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:53,119
originals. They're just great songs I
love hearing put into other people's hands.

1043
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,159
So it's very, very hard to
actually find an effective answer to this question,

1044
01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:59,559
and depeche Mode is not the answer. I am sorry. And King

1045
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:03,159
Crimson Frog asks. We often talk
about bands being underappreciated or not being as

1046
01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:06,039
big as they should be, or
bands who are overrated or bigger than they

1047
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:10,760
deserve. What band do you think
is the exact right size and has the

1048
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:15,119
exact right reputation for what they deserve? So, I mean, like one

1049
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,359
of the things you can go with
this is bands who are legendary in niche

1050
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:24,479
communities, like hardcore bands like I
think bands like Terror and bands like Sick

1051
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,840
of It All and so on.
Are you know they are legends or all

1052
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,560
of those bands where they need to
be. They're exactly where they need to

1053
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,760
be, like you know, legendary
respected bands in that sort of world,

1054
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:39,880
Like Cannibal Corps another great example,
right, like they are feasibly Cannibal Cops

1055
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,039
are about the like epitome of what
they can be. Right, It's like

1056
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:48,000
they are massive for a band of
their kind. It's completely deserved and they're

1057
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:51,239
never going to be more than that
cradle of filth. Maybe another one.

1058
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:54,399
I think a more interesting way to
go with this question is to move away

1059
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,680
from those sort of like kings of
their niches and go like melodic bands that

1060
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,840
could get on the radio, for
example, but where they are on the

1061
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,960
ladder. You go, yeah,
that's about right. I went a certain

1062
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,720
direction, David, What do you
guys got? I mean, I my

1063
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,359
head was like to be there you
me at six were you know, probably

1064
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,600
about as like they were in the
position they probably should have been out.

1065
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,800
I don't think they ever should have
been a festival headliner band. I think

1066
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,039
like, like I said, when
they hit that like five PM out of

1067
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:21,159
the festival, I was like,
yeah, that that's about where you meet

1068
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:26,239
six belong. I mean this is
maybe just as I was listening to them

1069
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:30,439
recently, but I think the Descendants, like their place in history is just

1070
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,399
about right because they're kind of like
the Black Sabbath for pop punk in a

1071
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:39,319
way, and like Black Sabbath,
there were many bands that enjoyed higher commercial

1072
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:44,439
heights like the Descendants of Black Sabbath, maybe Green Day and Metallica Blink when

1073
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,640
it to a Lincoln Park or whatever. They've not done a great record in

1074
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,640
a long time, and they don't
seem to take it all that seriously.

1075
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:56,439
But I quite like the it's called
Hypercatheum Spazan eight or something that was in

1076
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,920
like twenty sixteen. I know that
record. No, No, it's good.

1077
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:01,520
Yeah, all their records, they
reliably put out decent records. They

1078
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,880
haven't done anything where you're like,
wow, the classics, Yeah exactly.

1079
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,319
It's probably ninety six was the last
to send us record you could call a

1080
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:11,800
classic. But they do come out
every ten years, so maybe that's not

1081
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,079
so bad, and they don't seem
to they're not all that serious about it,

1082
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:18,520
but they were so influential that whenever
they play a punk festival, they'll

1083
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:23,840
get pretty high up, which you
know, if you're going to compare them

1084
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:27,359
to something like Black Sabbath, think
Black Sabage should always headline download even if

1085
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:30,079
it had been over forty years since
they've done, you know, a truly

1086
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:34,479
great record. They won't headline those
things if they're any bigger than that.

1087
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:39,359
That seems about fair. I think
actually see it from that I'm mentioned,

1088
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,920
but like Billy Talent, to me, I think they're exactly in the short

1089
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:45,560
position they were again, like they're
a band who reliably when they come out,

1090
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,199
put out a good record. They
haven't powered a classic album since the

1091
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:51,640
naughties, you can say, really, but they're still always good and they

1092
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,079
and they you know, they come
out, they play a decent festival slot,

1093
01:10:55,079 --> 01:10:59,079
they're there. They will always headline
decent sized venues, And I think

1094
01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:01,079
that's kind of like like, yeah, I'm happy seeing Billy Talent in this

1095
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:04,880
sort of like respected position they're in
because they just you know, consistently put

1096
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:09,399
out good, good material. Yeah, you've gone like the exact route that

1097
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,119
my thinking went, because again,
you think about bands at the top of

1098
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,000
the tree you download headlines or whatever. Yeah, like evnterm Ford are a

1099
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,319
good example where like they're not a
stadium band. Does there like their level

1100
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:24,399
of kind of I don't know,
momentousness in terms of their like big songs

1101
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,399
warrant them being like a stadium fucking
food fighter sensation. Maybe not no,

1102
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:30,960
But it's good that they're an arena
band and it's good that they are firm

1103
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,560
download headliners. That feels like where
they should be, Like Slip not deserve

1104
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,800
to be exactly where they be.
I think Tool deserve to be round about

1105
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:43,800
where they are. I went more
for, like again the upper ends of

1106
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,159
like Brixton or forum level type bands, and I think the ones that there

1107
01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:49,600
I went to like the two thousands, and I was thinking about Billy Talent

1108
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:55,079
exactly, Like maybe the consistency of
their career in terms of real high watermarks

1109
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:58,680
hasn't quite warranted them being an arendea
festival head on a band or whatever,

1110
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,840
but it's good for where they are
rise against. You know, I think

1111
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,880
that there was a bit of band
who are maybe slightly bigger in America,

1112
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,560
but like them being a sort of
Brixton level band or whatever. It's like,

1113
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,039
yeah, that's about where you should
be in terms of just like how

1114
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:14,279
many great songs you have. And
then that sort of school and that era

1115
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:15,479
of bands, there was a lot
of them that started coming to me.

1116
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,640
So like Alectus on Fire, I
feel like, you know, I would

1117
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:24,039
maybe say bigger for them personally,
but maybe maybe in terms of but again

1118
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:27,359
you're thinking about in terms of again
stuff like post hardcore and stuff like that

1119
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:29,399
has slightly heavy elements in there.
I don't know, again, that's the

1120
01:12:29,399 --> 01:12:33,720
fire terms that they haven't they haven't
got those fucking like they're not MCR right.

1121
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,640
It's like that feels like they should
be rand about where they are really

1122
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,800
thrice similarly, Coahin and Cambria,
you know, again like highly popular but

1123
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,359
also very proggy. They've gotten very
far for a you know, a such

1124
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:51,119
a nerdy band. I feel like
the level of sort of hit that those

1125
01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:56,279
bands are making feels like roughly that
kind of you know, Brixton High Forum

1126
01:12:56,359 --> 01:12:58,800
kind of level. So those are
the bands I think I went for,

1127
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:02,479
And then I started to think about
maybe slightly more contentious ones or like you

1128
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:08,079
know, I think like overall bullet
what they kind of Deserve feels like it

1129
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:10,520
evens out. You know. It's
like at times you could go, ah,

1130
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,039
they should have been a proper arena
band, but then they've made shit

1131
01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:15,039
and you go, well, yeah, they are where they are now,

1132
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:18,079
and that feels about right for what
they've done. I think maybe this is

1133
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:21,880
slightly more contentious, but I think
while she sleeps now, I think roundabout

1134
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,359
evens out. You know, I
don't think you could argue really that they

1135
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,600
should be massively bigger than they are
based on the music that they have made.

1136
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,840
It feels like they are a popular
relevant where they are kind of level

1137
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:39,399
heavy band, you know, of
mice and men doing that thing of like

1138
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,880
peeking and then going down. It
feels like entirely Deserve really in terms of

1139
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:47,119
where that whole story went, and
then again heavy went back to like heavier

1140
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:54,600
but still relatively mainstream bands have done
Kills, which I could see the argument

1141
01:13:54,600 --> 01:14:00,000
that kills which should be bigger because
they are so like then that the fucking

1142
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:04,560
like metalcore taking over Grand zero band, and yet they are not like an

1143
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,600
arena filling band. I feel like
they that's the one where I could say,

1144
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,279
possibly be bigger. But again,
do you think is maybe if if

1145
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:15,800
the if they like posted some of
this, and if they carried on releasing

1146
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,239
albums of that caliber, do you
know they would have been able to hit

1147
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:21,000
that level it Maybe Again, we
do have an entire kill switching engaged band

1148
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,880
special that's you know. Yeah,
a few years ago on the Patron where

1149
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,359
we were asking the kind of questions
killswhich I think are one where you could

1150
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,119
argue they should be bigger for the
legs that they have. I went more

1151
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:30,399
for like Lamb of God. You
know, like Lamb of God are like

1152
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:34,079
a Bloodstock headliner. They've got their
own Well that's why I said Kills,

1153
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:38,399
because I was thinking that the blood
headliner. Yeah, but I think obviously

1154
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,720
they're an extreme band with like almost
entirely harsh vocals, and they are so

1155
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,479
big and so definitively go yeah,
that's good. I think, you know,

1156
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,319
Gajira right now in a similar kind
of vein. It's like, you

1157
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:51,600
know, maybe they could go even
further. But for a kind of progressive

1158
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,840
death metal band, if that's when
you say their roots are, being that

1159
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,239
kind of equivalent sort of slot feels
very very good and very right for them,

1160
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,760
you know, Sugar, I think
being so legendary in their kind of

1161
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:06,319
slot deserved and one a marf deserve
the success that they have gotten to kind

1162
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:10,680
of be able to be take that
into larger things. And also Saxon,

1163
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,600
I think, yeah, I know
Elliott keeps saying it, but I think

1164
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,279
you know, special guests type slot
at someone like a Bloodstock or a you

1165
01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:28,800
know, support, So I can't
really Saxon, they're band. I think

1166
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:36,880
Saxon deserves to be about where their
place in history is any ripost know,

1167
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:42,399
I just like I think it is
the band that writes Denimon Leather where they

1168
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,199
should be subheadlining Bloodstock. That does
seem fair. The band that does every

1169
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:57,119
other Saxon song should be part from
Supercharger apart from Supercharger and maybe speak the

1170
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:00,680
first good Saxon song in the line
of fifty songs the exact same thing as

1171
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,239
that one. Got what a laugh
talking about that record was all right,

1172
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:09,600
let's close this longer than average hyper
last with a it must be said longer

1173
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,119
than average release round up because we
do, of course have some records that

1174
01:16:13,119 --> 01:16:15,880
came out last week when we did
our reviews episode. There were actually plenty

1175
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,079
of them. I think it was
the first like majorly busy release week of

1176
01:16:19,119 --> 01:16:21,720
the year, and then we've got
today's as well, So I am going

1177
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,479
to go through this as efficient as
I can, although we are going to

1178
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,880
stop to have a look at a
conversation on this first one, because going

1179
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,680
back to January of twenty sixth,
one prominent record that we did not discuss

1180
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,399
on last week's review shows is the
new record from Frank Carter and the Rattlesnakes.

1181
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,560
It's called Dark Rainbow, and the
reason I will actually just pause and

1182
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,800
have a little bit of discussion about
this is a bit of a stock takers

1183
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,199
to where we kind of are with
Frank cart and the rat Snakes, both

1184
01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:48,520
as individuals but also as a kind
of community, I guess, because this

1185
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:53,039
is the fall up to the last
record, Sticky, which is twenty twenty

1186
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:57,439
one if I remember correctly, and
this record coming out, it's like Frank

1187
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:03,279
Carter was a The Rattlesnakes on their
earlier couple of albums felt so firmly a

1188
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:06,680
T and M band, right,
It's like, you guys listening fucking love

1189
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,560
them and we're going to see every
tour and they were such a consistent festival

1190
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,439
presence or whatever, and obviously they
are still are that in the again we're

1191
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,359
just talking about being on the download
poster and et cetera. But I was

1192
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:20,640
shocked that this album came out,
and in terms of my circle, which

1193
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:25,279
it does extend to again somewhere like
the T and M focus group for example,

1194
01:17:25,279 --> 01:17:29,279
and again seeing what you guys are
listened to and into Frank Carter and

1195
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:32,319
the Rats, a big fucking band
by you know, most ways that we

1196
01:17:32,399 --> 01:17:39,359
measure it over here, and yet
this album seems to be registering in a

1197
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:45,039
different circle, I suppose than the
one that I would usually expect from Frank

1198
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:47,600
Carter and the history that we have
all kind of had with that guy in

1199
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:53,119
his music. So even again I
listened to this record, I quite liked

1200
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:56,680
it. I thought it was,
you know, an improvement on the last

1201
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,840
one. Again, the last one
I did not hate, even though it

1202
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,680
had some misguided things on it.
I think overall it was fine for what

1203
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,680
it was. But again, this
repor coming out, I'm almost considering whether

1204
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:14,319
like people particularly care about us even
like doing like a long in depth review

1205
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,600
or anything on this Frank cart and
the Route Snake's album, Like this is

1206
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,439
a genuine question. If you like
you know, I want to know what

1207
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:24,319
you guys like as a kind of
rock community. Are Frank cart and the

1208
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:29,000
rout Snakes still a really important band
to you guys? And you know,

1209
01:18:29,079 --> 01:18:31,319
Sam Samon Eliot we were having a
bit of a discussion in the group chat

1210
01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:34,199
the other day about this conversation,
and we were wondering, I guess in

1211
01:18:34,279 --> 01:18:39,000
terms of like you don't want to
say Frank Carter and the rout Snakes are

1212
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,239
on as kind of downward slide because
I don't necessarily believe that. I think

1213
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:44,560
they are still a band who in
terms of the venues they play and everything

1214
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,960
are by all means, you know, they seem to be doing very very

1215
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,159
well. But I do think again
from the T and M kind of standpoint,

1216
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:55,640
they seem to be slightly floating away. Yeah, I gain because like,

1217
01:18:56,039 --> 01:19:00,119
is this particularly a rock album?
Like is it like for somebody you

1218
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:02,720
know, he's been so as part
of the punk and the rock sort of

1219
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,680
scene. This is I think his
furthest step out of it. So it

1220
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,960
is it is quite a leap to
take. I mean, again, not

1221
01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:14,680
too spoil as much in case you
do with you, but I've enjoyed this

1222
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:16,000
album. But yeah, I don't
know if it's just gonna be one that

1223
01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:18,399
is like, is this are the
T and M listens? Are they really

1224
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,239
behind it? Do they want to
know us to keep pushing Frank Carter?

1225
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:27,039
I'm not too sure because it has
been there. I've seen all kinds of

1226
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:30,039
reactions to this one across the spectrum
from what I have seen, so I've

1227
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:31,840
not been able to gauge any kind
of consistent feeling on it. See.

1228
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,560
The thing that struck me is the
almost total lack of reaction that I've seen,

1229
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:41,359
because I've not really followed Frank Carter
all that much, or at least

1230
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,039
since the Ratle Snaket one. I
think I think they're okay. I think

1231
01:19:44,039 --> 01:19:46,520
the first two records are all right, and I like this again, without

1232
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,279
spoiling too much, I like this
about as much as those. The thing

1233
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:56,680
that the thing that's weird about this
is it feels like it's been quite a

1234
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,840
sharp up and down for Frank Carter, Which is why I don't want to

1235
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,720
say, you know, they're on
a down or whatever, because the last

1236
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,560
down people really seem to care about, you know, I was twenty nineteen.

1237
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,720
It wasn't really that long ago.
In that context, The thing that's

1238
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,960
all about this is he's it seems
to be moving away from rock music,

1239
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,159
but I don't really see where it's
landed. Because my sort of circle people

1240
01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:23,439
who are into music, a lot
of those people are more maybe indie focused,

1241
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:28,159
and they might have spoken about Frank
Carter a couple of years ago when

1242
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:30,279
he had that really kind of star
making turn at reading and that sort of

1243
01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:36,119
thing. I've not heard them say
a word about this so and I'm just

1244
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:40,680
struck by how quiet it's been.
Yeah, that was my feeling as well.

1245
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,279
And again it's like I'm trying to
I know that Frank Carter, like

1246
01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:46,840
dedicated fans who were like absolutely looking
forward with this record are out there,

1247
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,000
but I personally haven't seen them,
and I'm trying to look around and like

1248
01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:54,479
find where they are. And you
know, again, I think when we

1249
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,479
spoke about this privately, I think
one of the most the thing that I

1250
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:03,039
kind of settled on the most is
the idea of this record is almost like

1251
01:21:03,079 --> 01:21:06,560
an exact opposite of the last record, Sticky, which was just so like,

1252
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:10,840
you know, fun and we're gonna
dance and it's gonna be this kind

1253
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,520
of OIOI dance punk thing, and
then now he's doing this much more introspective

1254
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,399
record again. And I from a
creative standpoint, I respect that kind of

1255
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,720
you know, variety and the kind
of like, yeah, okay, I've

1256
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,479
done that and now I'm gonna go
over here and do something else. And

1257
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,960
I admire that, and I can
see where this is all coming from from

1258
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,279
someone like Frank. But I wonder
again if people, if someone was really

1259
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:35,039
into Frank Cart and the Restakes one
of the first two records, and then

1260
01:21:35,079 --> 01:21:39,520
they've been taken this place they didn't
like was something like sticky, and then

1261
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,359
right after that he goes and does
something that again, it's not just a

1262
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:45,880
return to the comfy zone of what
frankin the Routestates was, but something completely

1263
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,960
different again, whether people are sort
of losing the thread of like what Frank

1264
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,279
Cart and the Rat Snakes is.
And maybe that's why the kind of like

1265
01:21:53,760 --> 01:22:00,439
real investment from like again, the
heavy rock world feels like it has dipped

1266
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,239
quite significantly over the last couple of
years. So that was just sort of,

1267
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:08,399
you know, some airing some open
thoughts about the Frank Cart and the

1268
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,760
Rats' next record. I would be
curious about what you guys actually do make

1269
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,159
of not just the album whether you
like it or not, because like I

1270
01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:16,159
said, I think it's quite good, but more about a sort of a

1271
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:19,520
long term you know, what's going
on with Frank cal Ratsnakes and where that

1272
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,600
how invested maybe you are last week
can Going back to the releases, we

1273
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,079
did also have much more I think
comfy fair. Alkali and Trier released their

1274
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:30,760
record Blood Hair and Eyeballs. That
one we probably will talk about some more

1275
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,159
later. Degree that's just what level
of Alkaline Tria are we talking with that

1276
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:39,560
one? He had The Infernal Sea
with a record I cannot entirely pronounce called

1277
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:44,199
hell Fenlick, but that is the
you know, bit of a UK black

1278
01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:47,720
metal institution at this point. I
really have loved this band. Their first

1279
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,239
record, I think it's fucking brilliant. They haven't been able to really match

1280
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:56,119
that one for me, but I
did enjoy you know, both the follow

1281
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:58,039
up to the record and this one
as well. There's some cool, you

1282
01:22:58,079 --> 01:23:01,960
know, like English folk stuff going
on inside that. Continuing on with black

1283
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:06,119
metal, there's all Harbor and sacrifice, much more long form, chilled out,

1284
01:23:06,199 --> 01:23:12,399
kind of atmospheric fair. There was
unsouling with Vampiric's Spiritual Drain, which

1285
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:14,800
is a really cool kind of it's
quite a cool record. This it mixed

1286
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,119
again like heavy oppressive, like death
metal and stuff like that, but with

1287
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:23,680
the kind of goth elements. Then
there was a whole bunch of grind type

1288
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,520
stuff. There was NOL with as
spoken, one of the most sort of

1289
01:23:27,239 --> 01:23:30,880
seen as very horrid grind bands in
the world at the moment. Elie,

1290
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,279
I bet you're a NOL fan.
I've missed this. I didn't know this

1291
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:39,520
was out. Oh well, you
can go and find that. There's a

1292
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,239
kind of more sludgy fare in the
form of Eye Flies with the self titled

1293
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:45,680
record, which is a band that
I believe members are full of hell and

1294
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,640
so and are involved with. We
have a self tuted record from Junta,

1295
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,920
who are a New York based band
but are very kind of, you know,

1296
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:57,000
sort of Hispanic Spanish speaking leaning,
very rowdy crossover type stuff. Like

1297
01:23:57,039 --> 01:24:00,880
I say, going into we have
actually Death Killer with total destruction of the

1298
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:05,520
entire universe is interesting. This is
it's a it's sort of anonymous. It's

1299
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,680
a member of Grave Pleasures, I
can tell you that much. It's not

1300
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,279
that one who does everything it's another
membor of Grave Pleasures, but it's like

1301
01:24:12,359 --> 01:24:15,880
a solo project of If you like
igor and stuff like that, like really

1302
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:20,680
fucking maximalist, over the top,
take a blow torch to your head,

1303
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,399
like industrial metal type stuff. If
you like things like when when when gost

1304
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,119
is that his most ravenous or slip
knot and stuff like that, then that

1305
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:30,319
is out there. We had a
whole bunch of like kind of prog metal

1306
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:35,159
and post metal and stuff like that. Mountain Caller released Chronicle two Hypergenesis,

1307
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:40,159
more post metally type fare. We
had a band called Guts with a H

1308
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:44,399
in their goots perhaps are called Regeneration. This was I saw shared around quite

1309
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:45,600
a lot. There was an EP
from a or I guess, an album

1310
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,439
from a band called Slower. The
EP is called Slower. That is in

1311
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,560
fact a pun because what this is
is do metal versions of Slayer songs.

1312
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,159
If you want to hear war ensemble. But it's like eleven minutes long with

1313
01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:00,840
a fucking like fuzz tone sam is
mel thing. No, it's it's not

1314
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,000
bad, you know. It feels
that they have actually made an effort to

1315
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,920
reinterpret the songs. It's kind of
it's it's basically it's a doom metal record

1316
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,800
where occasionally go, oh yeah,
that's that's the Antichrist that I'm listening to.

1317
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:15,520
Back on the prog stuff, there's
Calligular's Horse with Charcoal Grace. There's

1318
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:19,520
also Madam Mortem with Old Eyes New
Heart moving into again the kind of more

1319
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,520
cleaner end of death metal and death
cord and stuff like that. We have

1320
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:29,800
Vitriol with Suffer and Become Cognizance with
Phantasine. There was a live album from

1321
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,359
Whitechapel, one of their records where
they were playing the Valley the kind of

1322
01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:35,119
showcasing that. So there's Live in
the Valley some other stuff at the back

1323
01:25:35,119 --> 01:25:38,960
of that record as well, and
then in the form of again some EPs

1324
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,079
and mini albums and stuff. There
was dream State Still Dreaming. There's the

1325
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:44,720
Kay and Nashi EP of course that
we spoke about in depth earlier. The

1326
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,319
Three Faces of Beauty, a violent
misinterpretation of Morgan Montgomery definitely record you get

1327
01:25:47,319 --> 01:25:49,880
this to that one. There was
the Military Gun EP Life under the Sun.

1328
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:54,479
There was also a surprise Yazoo EP
Hard to Reach, which I believe

1329
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:58,600
included a couple of like unreleased old
songs that kind of deal then to today's

1330
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,520
releases, not quite as jammed,
still a fair few to talk about.

1331
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,840
Enterprise Earth, one of the leading
most popular kind of death core bands,

1332
01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:09,800
released a record called Death Colon and
Anthology, which I think is a really

1333
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,039
funny helpum name. We reviewed their
previous one and it was so fucking like

1334
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,880
long and epics for what a death
cor record was aiming for. And I

1335
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,159
wonder if they're still going down.
I know they've always led on the proggiest

1336
01:26:21,159 --> 01:26:25,920
side of it, but that was
like too much. Maybe more of that

1337
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,279
here, I don't know, being
as an ocean a back with Death Can

1338
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:33,000
Wait, which is a band that
I have actively not cared for for the

1339
01:26:33,159 --> 01:26:35,479
entire time I've been aware of them, But I do know that right now

1340
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:41,720
on tour, Jamilla from Ithaca is
filling in as their like vocalist for this

1341
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,560
tour, so that could be interesting
to see, I suppose if you want

1342
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:50,439
to see a really boring hardcore band
fronted by a good personality, yeah yeah,

1343
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:55,279
maybe that'll spice up. But then
the album is out reconciler art for

1344
01:26:55,319 --> 01:26:58,319
our sake. This is a record
that you're proably gonna want to check out

1345
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:00,079
if you're into your kind of like
Heartland Honk and that kind of you know,

1346
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,199
fest style punk rock and stuff like
that. This band have released them

1347
01:27:03,239 --> 01:27:06,239
quite well like material in the past. Now this is not a typo.

1348
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:12,000
There are two albums out today called
Shame from different bands. One of them

1349
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:16,399
is the band Meth, which is
noisy, horrible hardcore type stuff, and

1350
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,920
the other one at Utopia I believe
is more of like a tech metal type

1351
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,479
there. But yeah, in my
notes here, just making sure this is

1352
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,880
not a typeo. Both of albums
are called Shame. There was a record

1353
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,520
from a kind of like post metal
but with a slightly sort of like chuggy

1354
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:35,439
metalcore type thing in there called Metaphysicize
Myrath, the Tunisian prog metal masters their

1355
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:40,159
record Karma. I seem to have
a sort of phantom memory of me reading

1356
01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:44,319
this out in a hyperblast one of
these reviews round ups, like September last

1357
01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:45,960
year or something. I don't know
if the record got delayed or something,

1358
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,560
but I remember reading it out and
it didn't happen, and here it now

1359
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:53,760
is. So there you go.
Heavy metal, striker, overpower, death

1360
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:57,479
metal, black metal. We've got
necro wretch swords of Dajawl. We have

1361
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,880
Dwarro Delf, which is name taken
straight out of Tolkien, so you can

1362
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,239
probably imagine what the vibe is there. The Fallen Leaves, we have some

1363
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:13,039
proper stinky, horrible gory slam metal
stages of decomposition with raptures of psychopath that.

1364
01:28:13,119 --> 01:28:15,359
Remember that band. I remember enjoying
one of their records when I was

1365
01:28:15,399 --> 01:28:18,039
deep in my slam phase like ten
years ago, so it's nice to see

1366
01:28:18,039 --> 01:28:21,560
they're still kicking around. And then
finally some EPs for you. We have

1367
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:27,560
the band Ghoul with Noxious Concoctions,
which is a great name, and Persephone

1368
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,359
with that Lingui Ignota part one ep
that we were laughing just about the title

1369
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:34,760
of some time ago. There you
go. That is your epic not so

1370
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:40,399
hyper Hyperblasts for today. Thank you
so much, proper full length podcast for

1371
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,840
you guys. I hope you appreciate
it. Next week we will be back

1372
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,199
with another Hyperblasts, but we will
hopefully sure for that one, but we

1373
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:50,319
will also be announcing in that hyperblast
what our next special is going to be

1374
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:54,159
on the TNM Patreon, so if
you want to go and sign up over

1375
01:28:54,199 --> 01:28:57,039
there, you can check in on
our nail special the Allison chains one,

1376
01:28:57,039 --> 01:28:59,880
etc. Well prepping for the next
thing that we are going to announce to

1377
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,840
you next week, So cheers very
much, we will see you there.

1378
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:09,960
Goodbye. Don't cry too hard about
the loss of you know who. Bye bye