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Old folks. Show people fake good
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go out to a theater, they
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no monsters. In the Projection Booth, Everyone for ten podcasting isn't boring off.

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Hey, folks, welcome to a
special episode of The Projection Booth.

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I't my host Mike White. This
episode is a little different. We are

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talking about a movie that has yet
to be I'm talking with producer Anne Branstein

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all about the documentary The Girl Who
Would Be King, which she is currently

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working on. It is about and
Beats, who is one of her best

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friends, one of Eve's best friends, and Anne is the creator or was

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the creator of square Pegs. She
passed away two years ago and Eve is

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now in the midst of making a
documentary about Anne. You get to hear

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about Eve and Anne in this episode, and I hope it. What's your

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appetite for what The Girl Who Would
Be King is going to be all about?

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If you want to keep up on
the production, I suggest you go

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over to Eve Branstein Productions dot com
where you can hopefully find out more about

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it, and of course I will
keep you up to date as well.

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As we move forward with the production. Thank you so much for listening,

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and I hope you enjoy the interview. Can you tell me about your background

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because you've done so many interesting thanks. Professionally, I came to Los Angeles

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after being a theater director in New
York around nineteen seventy nine, and I

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went to work with Norman Lear pretty
much as my introduction to the community here.

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It was an excellent opportunity and I
was lucky also, and I then

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became a filmmaker through the AFI program
and an alumni of AFI's program. I

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made a few of my young films
there, but Lop, Skip and Jump.

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I became the head of casting phenomenon
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and the TV shows, and was
a great opportunity, great career. It

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wasn't really what I was set out
to do. I wanted to be in

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directing. I was doing at its
theater director. Now being a filmmaker through

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a FI and wishing and hoping to
be a filmmaker. But I still loved

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television. I fell deeply and madly
in love with TV. The way you

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could start something and finished something like
that they come up with an idea and

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shoot it. It was to meet
the miracle and reading while movies years and

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years. So I worked with television
for a long time, and then I

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graduated into what I wanted to do
at the Leader Companies and I became a

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producer and I produced a series a
few pilots, but found me a series

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of one another year at CBS called
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But I introduced George Clooney to the
world in the first R, which

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started Elliott Gould and Unchata Farrell and
Mary McDonald great cast, and it was

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based on a show I had seen
in Chicago called er Anyway. Later on

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George wand up on another R and
so it was the beginning up a friendship

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and working with George Anyway. I
wrote a book called The Actor or a

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Practical Guy to a Professional Career,
and then I started just producing and writing.

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Then I met up what I had
done, though it was not a

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few pilots, and then I was
invited to go over to Castle Rock.

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Now. It didn't go right away
because obviously the guys who started Castle Rock

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used to be all part of normal
Lia then days it was Columbia Television or

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whatever. So I had to wait
a year and I went off to be

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joined them as a producer and she
loaned Behold and Beat. So I had

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met in nineteen eighty one when I
cast her series Square Pegs, and I

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was in awe of her. She
was an amazing character of what a character

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she was? Oh wish Anyway,
I loved working on Square Pegs, but

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now I jumped the gun on that
because that's a very important place for you

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to edit as a filmmaker. Go
back and pick up an and and I

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became friends in during the Square Pegs
era. She was astounding brilliant and I

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was in all of her background.
She had just come from SNL, which

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I was a fan of, and
then we had her fabulous time and the

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show didn't last much more than a
year. And then I went to Castlemock

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and sure enough I had optioned a
project called Julie Brown The Show. Now,

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in what I'm seeing press release recently, they have the wrong showdown.

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It was Julie Brown the Show,
which was a TV pilot that we did

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and cast a Walk asked me to
see if I would join forces with Anne

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Beats, and so that's when our
partnership we became a company basically through that

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association and we produced this phenomenal pilot. You can see some pieces of it

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on YouTube, but it was head
of its time. It was a show

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within the show. Having done in
my casting career, I think one of

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the most unique open shows was a
show called Fernwood Tonight. And because Fernwood

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Tonight was such a unique show,
I stole some of my best ideas from

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it, which was to do that
same kind of dead pan we're doing a

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show, and Julie was a show
within the show. Julie Brown the show.

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Later on, Gary Shandling did Saintlier
and stayed on forever. But the

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concept of doing that sort of satirical
sitcom was something had Anne and I worked

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on for that, and then we
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Cannell's company as a team. We've
found up finding out we worked really

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well together. We started a company
called B Girls Productions, and we went

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to the Cannel Company to be the
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got tons of scorps for them,
and we had I think we did a

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couple of pilots and this went on
and on. We had an amazing association

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and so from that point on,
life keeps growing. We kept doing things

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on and off for many years and
worked on in several TV movies, and

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then we did a John Waters show
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Movies That Will Corrupt You, and
we spent time with John and we did

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so many things. It was a
great forty years. Forty years. When

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it comes to the Julie Brown Show, was that just the name of the

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character or was it one of the
many Julie Browns let us out there?

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It was the Julie Brown what they
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did earth Girls Are Easy, clever
comedian and good singer. So the show

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was about her having her own show. It was like a musical talk show.

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And we had a light band on
stage which was built on these guys

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that I knew, the Sales Brothers. It was Soupy's sons who eventually were

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our garage man, including Brian Ray
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and the Sales Boys, And it
was supposed to be a garage band,

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so we had quote the garage on
stage and they played her on and off

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and played some of her songs and
had a live audience and it was goofy

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and then she had a backstage light
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and that was a very cute pilot. I said some pieces of it on

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YouTube that you can see, but
that was that Jutney Brown. And now

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she's doing an ongoing character that she
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is a spoof a Madonna. And
the recent stuff she's doing, if you

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check it out, is hilarious because
she's Madonna who is now an elder based

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on some of the humor that Madonna
is trying to change your image. But

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anyway, I don't really want to
get into that too much, but it's

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very funny. She's very funny,
and again you can see that stuff.

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I've never really talked to a casting
person, and I'm so curious, what

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is your what's your modus operanda?
How do you figure out who's going to

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be good for stuff? Because I
know, like you said, you worked

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with Castle Rock, You've casted so
many things that I love, like Spinal

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Tap or sure Thing, just great
films. How do you start off?

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I came out here to be a
filmmaker and I needed a job and I

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got this job in casting by accident. I needed a job. Someone offered

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me an opportunity to work at was
then tat Tandem Productions, the old TV

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company, and I didn't want to
take the gig. At first. I

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thought it was to be like a
quirk in the casting department meeting, I

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fill out contracts and then I go
down to the set and I get people

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sign their contract. It was all
like simple contracts. They were all day

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players stuff. Even if you were
movie starting, you had to sign a

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cheap contract. So I was there
for three days and it was really a

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crazy scene. There were actors coming
and going, and there was a show

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called Fernwood Tonight which held not aired
yet, and they were putting together characters

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that could do improp and could create
reality in this sort of heightened state.

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And there was Martin mull and Fred
Willard were ready on board, and Norman

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was still looking for more talent for
it. But the place was a mess

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with it, and the gal who
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the verge of like really a breakdown
serious. She was overwhelmed because I had

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a history of knowing what I was
doing with actors. She asked me to

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work on the filming or the taping
was taped in another room and I did

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it. I loved it. It
was like I don't have to do a

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desk job. I'll go do this. It was great, and so that

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was like I think I started on
a Tuesday. Now comes Friday, it's

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before Memorial Day weekend. She has
a meeting with Alan Sick normally or everybody

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in a room to have a conference
because over the weekend they're going to have

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actors coming in all weekend to try
doing shit with Martin and Fred. She

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comes back. Her name was Cheryl
and she had just done the children's What

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she did she put together the mouse
to tears at that year. She came

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back in and she said, just
what we renounced. We were all sitting

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around a few other assistance. I
just quit and she points to me and

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she said, well, I recommended
you for the job. Wow. I

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go what. I have no idea
what this means. Within a few minutes,

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the phone rings and it was Alberton, who was about VP under Norman

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saying, Ive, we'd like to
see you over here at the Extecutive acuses

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that we were at a small studio
space. It was a TV Studio and

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I walked across the lot, going
heck, and I go in this room

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and there's Norman Lear. It was
my hero, right He's in the room

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and some are these other executives,
and Alan said, oh, I became

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very good friends with and they tell
me what I'm gonna do. I'm going

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to take over. We're going to
give you a raise, and they go

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on and we'll talk to you after
the weekend because we need you here all

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weekend to help make sure this goes
well. And then we'll talk about maybe

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giving you an opportunity to stay at
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in. So I went, okay, here we go, and I rolled

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up my sleeves. I spent the
entire weekend doing what they needed pain Tuesday

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morning, it called in again and
they go, we've decided you're really good

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at this and you should take the
job, and they another race. I

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was now the head this show.
Away was the casting. That's how I

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got into casting. It's almost as
good as Lana Turner at the counter at

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Schwabs. I felt like I was
like a star, or so I got

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a star was born anyway, and
that's how it got into casting, and

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I figured the show and then it
went on and on. I became a

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vice president there. I started developing
shows for them. It was a home

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that very few people had been fortune
to work it because Norman was very and

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the company itself reflected this desire to
really have a good time making shows and

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have quality. And I used to
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It was like playschool, but you
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many good shows. And yes I
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when the company expanded, they opened, they became own the company as well,

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and that was the That's how I
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of those fortuitous moments. But you
got to be ready and you have to

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say yes. That's like my advice
to people when they say what do I

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do? I go, just keep
going and take all kinds of jobs.

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Don't go, oh, I can
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very There was a legitimacy to that. I didn't take that path. That's

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for some people, it's not it
wasn't for me. I didn't come from

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the background that gave me that much. I would say privilege. I didn't

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feel privileged enough to say, oh, I only want to write, Oh

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I only want to act, or
you know what, I didn't ever want

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to act, but I only want
to direct. You have some people who

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are committed to that. I didn't
feel privileged enough for that kind of idea,

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So I've always switched off in my
career towards I'm making more sense in

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it because I'm older now and I
see the path I've been on, which

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is where I wound up now is
exactly based on what I just said.

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I went where the door was open, and I gained other strengths so that

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now I am i mentally involved in
production and in directing, and I can

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be more selective about where I want
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you said you worked with A and
Beats for forty years? What was that

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working relationship? Like? Good?
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missed her very much. Yeah,
I missed her very much. It's only

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two years. I'm actually having dinner
with her daughter tonight. Anne was one

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of a calling. There was a
very many people I could say She's one

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of a card. She was remarkably
funny, really smart, whip smart and

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unique. Her ideas and her takes
on things, and her humor and her

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kindness. She was very kind.
When she cared about you, you really

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felt close and good. She was
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certain and she's also remembered for her
what I called quickly since she could be

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tough. She'd be very tough and
bitter bitter sweet she was. She had

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those moments. But if you were
in her circle, she was a lamb,

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but she could be a lion out
there. She had to be.

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She was. She was exceptional and
that she had the nerve, if you

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will, to get into a business
that there were no other women at the

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table literally, and I always admired
that she had that I had a too,

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obviously based on the choices I was
making, But she just moved right

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into it. And when she was
working and her first gig was that was

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prominent. She was a very exceptional
student as a child. She like got

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into college at sixteen and went on
to Swinton McGill. Her mom has Canadian

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status, so she went to a
Canadian school. And then she was with

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Michelle Chaquette, who was a writer, and he got invited to come down

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to the National Lampoon and as Anne
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the same way that Katherine the Great
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she had many very interesting lovers.
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She was the only woman at first
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tremendous work there, which we about
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some really great ads, she did
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in the interim she decided that it
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and she wanted to do something about
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that women were funny, not just
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last fifteen years or ten years in
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called Tinners, which is a very
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moves in a sweater. But and
Lynn Goldsmith, the fabulous photographer to Dad,

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and she was one of the females
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Anne always broke women around, and
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that they had a sense of humor
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a trailblazer in that sense. And
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her became boyfriend and girlfriend, and
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seeing a movie about the lampoon and
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Was it like stone crazy. It's
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Natasha Leone played Anne in the movie, and I and Anne met with

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her and everything, and so Ann
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the only thing that I don't get
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you could say, look, here's
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she went from the ash Lampoon.
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come on over to this new show
I'm doing well Saturday Night Live. And

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he said, I'm going to bring
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about her already, so he said, fantastic. So Anne winds up now

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at SNL and she was the girl
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was partnered with Rosie Schuster, who
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joy. I don't want to I
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the daughter of a comedy duo called
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so Schuster was Rosie's daddy, so
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anyway, so she worked with Anne
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Night Live, got the Emmy and
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this and finished Hitters by the way. In fact, she's turned down doing

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SNL at first because she said,
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sorry, she really almost said no. But in the meantime she wrote a

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personal pilot called square Picks, and
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girl who thought everybody else was fabulous. And the show again and of its

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time. I say that John Hughes
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he did well his movies, including
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was suddenly teenagers could be a little
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was about those outsiders. And then
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Geeese. But Anne again did something
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hippest music you could find. She
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television, and that was at CBS, and she got a year and then

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they canceled it. It's a little
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we had a great time to know
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that, and then onward. She
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Guilda's show, The One Woman Chokie
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and Rosie really did a lot of
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refrigerator repair Man. I did a
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continued to write on her own and
then I met her, and then what

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else can I say? She was
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her. We laughed a lot,
and we kind of our journey as writers

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was really how I feel we should
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we had fun and we decided to
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opportunity to do things that most people
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used to go on vacation and write. We used to go we'd rent a

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hotel room for the weekend and go
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of us would sit at what was
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of us would sit up the computer
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pool swimming and giving throwing ideas out. So we had this original way of

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working. We so it was fun. It was great, and we worked.

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and then we would put it down
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always work on a connecting computer and
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me it and I'd look and then
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worked. We worked very much.
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really a very It was such an
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only thing that she used to bother
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or my spelling. Her dad was
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stuff. I would go and her
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oh Pat beats a spear. Yeah. I know her family. I know

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her sister, her nieces, and
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she brought Jailean home, and she
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that was her greatest production. It
was your daughter getsy Woman. You mentioned

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the movie. Can you talk a
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and why now? She got two
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texting was from the day before,
and it sounded like there was no reason

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to be concerned. She had a
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speak. She couldn't move very easily. So we had a few laughs.

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But I'm not going to mention them
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don't know. But I got a
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her daughter, and I was in
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she lives. She lived up the
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up the street from each other anyway, so the past thing was very

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intense for me. We had just
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with solaris who was doing this movie, came from Aunt. She brought me

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into meet with the Claris group on
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Funny Boys, which is about the
early days on National lamp Room, about

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the girl who comes to New York
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walks into Laham. I'd say I
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ended on Madison Avenue there was a
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tie and a hat, they wore
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baseball cap. And instead of Martinis, sex, drugs, rock and ball.

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Anyway, she and I'm in the
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many experiences were different in terms of
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theater, she was doing SNL.
We managed to put together a show about

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a woman coming to a comedy show
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and then Michael Bull, who is
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optioned it and we finished writing up
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scripted I think a lot for the
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weeks, and then she died two
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and so it's two years ago.
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better is why now? Why not? I think this is a good time

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to reflect on who she was.
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by the way, hear her in
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do this. She loved being and
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for a legacy. She was.
I don't mean that like superficially, but

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she knew somewhere that she signed every
single book she ever bought or was got

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with her name. Who does that
unless some day somebody's gonna make a movie

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about you. It wasn't because she
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I was like, there were things
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establishing her name and her value and
I hope that this allows that. And

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also her daughter didn't get to spend
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only eighteen at the debt, and
it's time for also, I think for

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everybody to get a taste of what
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do it. Michael brought it up
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I want to do it, and
I also want to protect who she

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is. And a few years ago
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it was this Vanity Fair and it
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back one up too. It's that
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a bunch of other comedians and they
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are finally funny, and Anne a
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short a letter to the editor which
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I'm going to try to pull that
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said, excuse me, when did
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she berated them for saying it without
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the four Mothers of comedy, that
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and one of the other things that
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terms of why do I want to
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of the other archival materials that she
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a lot we can look at and
take it avantage of. And there

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was another project that I hope we'll
follow this one. It's called The Girl

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in the Room, which is interesting
because the movie's title now is The Girl

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who Wouldn't Be King? The Girl
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of women in comedy through have time, and we did get some formidable interviews.

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She and I did one, but
I don't know how much we can

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use that, but we can use
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as just examples of some of the
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Made a sizzle and hopefully someday that
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Be happened. I have another partner
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to finish it, so to speak. So after Anne's finishing Square Pegs,

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along comes a whole bunch of about
the women produced her as because she was

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the first of that level she had. She ran her room, she was

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up showrunner, which is rare.
She ran her show, and then later

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we worked on the Stephanie Miller show
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she's always been a showrunner, which
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of course follows in that she came
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but it was that was a coin
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and now you've seen many women who
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not an avilet, but a little
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Right, how do you even approach
doing this documentary on obviously one of

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your best friends, you're a working
partner of so many years. To take

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somebody's life and try to condense it
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hours, we have to figure out. And I think we're talking about this

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a lot, which is like your
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about her legacy as an original an
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from what the era was, What
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wants to be the king she didn't
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she has a funny backstory, and
there's some very funny stories about her as

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a young woman that are being inspiring
and entertaining. The thing about doing something

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that i'm documentaries to me and I
do them now. This is my pleasure

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and I am more of a passion
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want to entertain. So my approach
to this and I think I mentioned it

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to my ar leagues on this,
and I really feel that this is a

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unique place for storytelling. Is not
chance to do a documentary. I would

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like to do a memoir for her, like she always wanted to write her

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memoirs. And she has some several
pages and I'm hoping, with johnie Lene's

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help, we're going to get a
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her computer. Obviously she was in
her years to come. She was planning

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on doing her memoir And I don't
think I've just finished a feature that's out

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now getting distribution deals and all that. And that was the same approach I

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had on the Lost Weekend A love
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memoir of that time versus just document
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So for me, the story of
Anne is this character who came up in

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an era when girls were the right
clothes and a girdle. You wore girdle,

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and women were like subservient. They
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you. The way you got into
the business was on your back, so

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to speak. But the whole vision
of your future as a young girl was

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yeah, maybe you'd get a job
as a school teacher. But the idea

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was you were going to find your
mate and have children and live a very

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traditional story or life and here she
was. She had the nerve not to

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just do it that way and create
I think a world that women can have

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been too. Now they don't think
about it anymore. They know they're going

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to be scriptwriters, they're going to
be producers, they're directors, anything goes

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cinematographers in the industry. And then, of course, I think now there

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are more women doctors than there are
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maybe not the specialty, but you
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door opened now. She wasn't in
other fields barre in comedy. I think

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she gave an army the idea that
it could happen to others. But she

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also was a very loyal woman to
other women. She hired most of her

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staffs who always have women on it. It was very important to engage in

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that. I really like that distinction
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I think that's going to be my
thing. I think that's what I

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want to do. I want to
do memoirs. I like that approach.

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I liked hearing, and we have
a lot of footage. She speaks a

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lot. She did a lot of
interviews, so we can really allow her

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to live in this film as well
as tell about it. And I don't

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have a final saying on if we're
going to have another outside narrator. We

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might, but I'm more inclined to
let the story tell itself when I did

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last Weekend, there is there are
no except for the except for Julian Lennon.

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Nobody a present day is visible until
what I call the fifact or the

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last act, and then you see
what seventy looks like instead of seeing a

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bunch of seventy year old people talk
about John Lennon. We interviewed like Alice

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Cooper. We kept ten minut the
dark. There's a lot of voiceovers from

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people we identify them, but I
didn't want it to be seen. I

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thought it would be challenging to stay
with the story so that you were with

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the time it was going on,
versus interrupting it. But that's my own

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taste. I like it. I
got that I was inspired by the Amy

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Winehouse film, which was like definitely
a biography, but it was very You

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didn't see anybody except her father.
Everybody else was voiceovers, and I like

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that approach. I like the storytelling, and I also, like I said,

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the memoir of it that it feels
like you get intimate and you feel

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what was that person going through and
what was it like for them? And

429
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I know that I made it something
Everything was great, But the truth is

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Anne had a lot of women who
go through the life that he experienced a

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certain loneliness and a certain how do
you get through this? Sometimes you want

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to have a partner, Sometimes you
do want sort of traditions, and then

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you've made a choice. Right.
It seems to be something where we can

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now have documentaries that are being or
films I should say, that are being

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narrated by the subject, which is
great, and sometimes it works really well,

436
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and other times you get those creepy
things like the fake Anthony Bourdain voice

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that was AI generated. I think
it's being the person so close to her

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and she's not here to tell it. I feel like I know how to

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create what I call the emotional truths
of her in a way that just documenting

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her life through archives and telling that
obviously the chronological story of a life can't

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be done. I hope for that. That's what I hope for, is

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that I can talk about how certain
things crushed her and that she kept going

443
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you know what I mean, something
about her will and something about yeah,

444
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something I identify with two. You
go on a path in life, you

445
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.639
don't know where you're going to wind
up. And her death was a big

446
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.920
wake up call for me. Wait, huh, We're supposed to give biild

447
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.880
ladies together, right, I'm supposed
to be doing what they did at the

448
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end of Missus maidstil. We're supposed
to be watching TV in two cities lapping.

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Hence it changed me a bit.
It's it. Oh yeah, it

450
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.679
almost sounds like you you lost an
arm or something because she was such a

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part of you. Yeah, I
don't know. I find writing very hard

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right now. It's I'm so used
to writing with a partner that a little

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frozen. I don't know. It'll
may come back, I'm hopeful, but

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if it doesn't, it's okay.
I've got a lot of I am working

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00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:23.039
on my own memoments. I'm not
going to wait. I'm not gonna wait

456
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for someone else to write it,
so to speak. But yeah, it's

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great and I'm very happy that I
get to talk about her. It makes

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me feel better. It does.
It's bizarre, would you indulge me?

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And whether happier or said, can
you tell me one of your favorite and

460
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:47.599
beat stories. We were very close
and we have monosyllabic names, Right and

461
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.400
Eve. Everybody mixed us up.
Everybody they call her Eve and me Ann.

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So she was coming to my house
one day to work. She knocks

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on that door. I go to
the door and I go, who's there?

464
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She goes and it's Eve. She
called herself me and she called me

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her and I went and this is
insane. I'm opened the doors and they

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00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.679
just got this in reverse. Even
she confused herself. But that was one

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by another time, I would say
one of my happiest, our funniest members.

468
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.119
We just did silly shit. The
BBC came to interview us to see

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how we write a television show,
and we were sitting on opposite es of

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tables with our computers working, and
they were filming us. Hey, we

471
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.559
call it hey shoot our feet We
see our feet dancing. And then one

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00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.840
time after we did a pilot production, we went to his frienchial restaurant and

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we got drunk. We did a
lot of drinking together and we danced on

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the table so good. She always
what used to bring that up? Remember

475
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.239
we danced on this table. I
was a good memory, Miss Brandin,

476
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.320
thank you so much for this.
I hope we can do this again sometime.

477
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.320
This was such a pleasure. I'll
see you on the red carpet.

478
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:21.079
He blockers up, knockers, knockers
on, ladies, get your lockers up.

479
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:25.559
Hey, hey, come on there, girls, go those stories back

480
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.880
and get your knockers on. Small
on they come on there, you on

481
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.679
your lady there get no shower backing
snocker zone. Here we go. Now,

482
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:49.280
doesn't that make your navel tinkle?
Repreciating? Your knocker's not gonna Oh

483
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.360
come on, girls, you're looking
wonderful. This will go through. You

484
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.199
wanna be very, very vibrant.
You're gonna try They come on there your

485
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:02.840
shouldies backing its own. There we
go. We're about to start on my

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00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:08.440
chumping offers were ladies get up and
much through the room and then knockers.

487
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:13.280
Helld hi have me to breathe movie
that we have something to give in the

488
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.119
world today. Are you ready?
Don't come in some some much chump the

489
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:35.840
knockers ladies? What when holding ladies, you're not my change? Come on,

490
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.559
it's easy thing to know. I
bet when you go home you're my

491
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:44.920
try throw your living rooms. Were
your knockers held high? Can you look

492
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.320
out what your husband and say,
Look, George, my knockers are up.

493
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:52.599
Come catch me. Yes? Were
you working girls who go back into

494
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.639
the office of boy. I want
you to do me a little tape.

495
00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.159
I want you to throw your shoulders
back, get your nackers up, big

496
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:01.599
smile on your face, and your
boss will look at you and say,

497
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:31.800
damn, Beatrice got her knock hers
up. Oh yes, here's to it.

