All right, So that was at twelve years old. Bring us forward from that, tell us some other things that you've had go on. Are are you still You're you still living on the same place or have you no? Third, um, my dad had retired from the old field when I think I was about sixteen or seventeen. He retired and we had to eventually move off the oil field property. But up until that time, I mean we all ever since I was a little kid, we've seen weird stuff out there. I mean, it's it's an old land. You know, nobody We didn't live around nobody. I mean, we didn't have no neighbors whatsoever. I mean, it was just us out there in the old field, middle of the oil field, was it? That was just us my brothers. We ended up buying him a tree stand and there's a there's a certain patch of woods which I'll get to all this in a minute. You know, this is this is us talking about it now now that I've I've done research on these things and everything, there's a lot more of them out there than I thought there was. I'll put it that way. You just tell this the way you want to tell it, buddy, Just just do it. That way you wanted to. So we ended up fast forward about about two years, about a year and a half, I was about thirteen, probably fixing the term fourteen. We bought my brother a deer stand, so we went and set it up in this in this patch of woods over by by cowboy like there was this big stretch of woods and then on the other side with cowboying and there's a marsh between separating the woods from the body. Right. Well, we go and there's a I'm gonna mention this too. There's this old car. There's this old car in the woods out there, old boat swagon, I believe it, this old beat up car sitting out in the woods. Anyway, my brother puts up this deer sand, he goes. He says, I'm gonna go hunt in this steer stand one day. So he goes out there and he hunts into deer sand and he comes home and I don't know what made me ask him this. I was like, hey, man, did you feel weird out there? He's like, yeah, you know what, I did kind of feel weird. I feel like something kept watching me out there. And I'm like, yeah, that's that's weird. I said, I feel that way too, especially from this part of the woods. This part of the woods me if my dad didn't even like walking in it for some reason, Like I said, my dad was a hardcore man. He said he like my dad said, he always felt like something was was watching him in there. Well, a few weeks later, my brother says, hey, I'm gonna go hunt out my sand I said, okay. He told my dad and he went out, and then he come back like twenty minutes later, and we're like, hey, what's going on? You know? Yea, all right? Well, apparently his deer stand has been ripped off of the tree and mangled. And I was like, uh, And he was asking me if I did that. I'm like, how would I rip a freaking one hundred pounds deer stand off a tree at thirteen years old and rip it all apart? We still to this day can't explain that. I mean, that's somebody. It looked like somebody went out there with a sledgehammer, ripped this thing off the tree and beat it to smitherins. I mean there was pieces of deer stand laying everywhere. Was it a lighter stand with a lighter up to it and everything? Yeah, it went up and it had like a kind of a frame that mounted onto the tree. Yeah, like the ladder wasn't We didn't even find the ladder, I mean it was it was gone, and the seat part and the mouth for the tree was just ripped all apart. If we fast forward to now. We ended up doing some research on it and he used to pee over there in that area. Turns out, if you pee on a big foot's property, it's gonna piss him off a little bit. Apparently, I guess he went up there and was like, Oh, so you're gonna piss on my territory, I'm gonna come rip your deer stand out of the tree. When I was around the same age as fourteen or thirteen or fourteen, I used to find these weird tree structure things, like thick structures in the woods, and you know, it didn't really make sense to me seeing that either, And I was like, oh, wow, you know, that's kind of creepy. You know, I always thought somebody might have been walking around in the woods or something. I don't know how they would have got out there, because that where we lived, there was a gate right in front of our house going back into the old fields. So he couldn't just drive out there. There was no way for people to get out there without us knows about it. I'll talk about one more experience, and this one, this was actually me and my dad. That seems so he finally understood that I was I was not some nutball. Okay, like I wasn't crazy at this point. So from twelve years old, you're you're about to become vindicated, right, Yeah, me and my dad. My dad ended up buying a golf cart, so we were we ended up going riding around the off field and we were in the very far back of the field and it ain't nothing out there. I mean, there's a flat marsh, trees, that's it that it's literally everything out there, and one dirt road that goes through. We were riding along there, and I'd say it was in the summer, so it was right before it was getting dark. So at about seven thirty eight o'clock, where the sun was pretty low in the sky, here comes something out of the woods. My dad really wouldn't paying attention at first, so I had to get his attention to see this thing. So this massive dog comes out of the woods, a hairless dog. I don't think, Like I said, I don't know what this thing was, but this was the biggest dog I've ever seen. And my dad was fixing to half a stroke sitting this thing because he finally believed me that there was something going on out there that we didn't know about. It just came out of the woods. It stopped in the road, and we stopped the golf card and we're looking at this thing and this dog. I'm about I'm about six foot tall. If I was standing next to this dog right now, his head would probably be in the center of my stomach. I mean, this was a big dog and did not have any hair on it. It looked like one of them casts, like one of them hairless cats, Like that's what a skin looked like, except it was like a light charcoal gray color. You know. My dad he's like, what is that? What is that? I was like, I don't, I don't know, I've never seen that before. So we kind of ease up, you know, like trying to go towards it, and it goes into the wood and we drove up and I mean there was no sign of this thing ever even crossing the road or going into the wood. I mean, it looked like, you know what the dire wolf is, like a massive wolf. It was like one of those, just with no hair. I was gonna say, you know, Cody's get the mange and stuff, but it sounds like, here's a way bigger than a coyote. O. This thing was. This thing was humongous. I don't know. I saw it coyotes out there quite a bit. Oh uh, backtrack into when I've seen that, that that big foot thing the wood. The Usually it was pretty loud out there at night, with the crickets and everything. It was silent that night. It was silent. You talk about your first encounter at twelve years old, Yes, sir, Yeah, I'm sorry. I ramble a lot. I'm sorry. That's okay. I bounce around too, man, No problem, But yeah, it was. It was literally like I could hear my own ears ringing. That's how quiet it was that night. I mean, and it never usually was was that quiet. We always seen lights and stuff out there too, but that might have been like swamp and gas or something. Let's back up on this dog thing, now, how far away was it when y'all saw it? You may have said, but I'm I'm gonna ask a few questions from initially when he come out, he okay, so the way this road was as it had these rather large inclines like banks on the side of these roads, right, and it goes into the woods. Well, when he from the point he came up and stopped in the middle of the road, I'd say we were probably about twenty yards from him. Oh so you it wasn't it wasn't one hundred yards out. You got a good look at this thing, Yes, we we. I mean it was probably like me standing down your hallway and looking at you. Okay, that's pretty much, you know. And it I was pantrified. I didn't know if this thing was gonna come and run out. I mean, we're on a golf car. We're not going to run that fast from this thing. Maybe twenty miles an hour, you know. Yea, And my dad just kept like the whole look like when he's seen it, he's just like, what is that? What is that? You'd have to meet my dad to understand understand him. He was a very there ain't nuting out here. I'm not scared of the type of man. Yeah, you know. Yeah, And then and then to see him surprised was probably play like a shock to you. Oh yeah, Well, when I've seen his the worry on him. You could see the worry on his face. And that's when I was like, oh shit, you know, I was like I never we never me and my brother's never seen my dad like that, right, never to see him react that way. We're like, oh wow, Okay, there's something about being with your father, you know, and y'all are probably out hunting and doing things all the time when he's off work, and and he's always calm, and he's your rock. You know, everything depends on your dad. And then when you see your dad get shook up or nervous or even afraid, it flies all over a little kid. And I don't care how old you are, if you're seventeen years old and still at home, it still bothers you. I never saw my dad do it, but if I had a seen him get afraid of something, because he was my dad was like your dad, he's people who believed in this stuff were just stupid. He would just laugh at him and stuff like that. I think they're crazy or whatever. That's right, And so if he had gotten scared, it would have just I would have come included and been real worried. And I think most of the men listening, we'll know what you're talking about. Oh yes, sir, yes, sir um. And you know, like like when he told me there was that certain patch of woods that always that certain patch of wood where the deer stand was, there was a ride away going between that patch of woods and the other half. And my dad used to hunt that all the time. And he said, he said every time he walked down there, he was getting nervous and feel like someone was watching him. So listen to my dad talk about being nervous out in the woods. I'm like, Dad, you're this is scaring the hill out of me. You need to quit talking about it. Yeah, I was gonna say, you just want to say, Dad, shut up, don't don't talk any more. Exactly. So, y'all were fifteen or twenty yards away from this dog where its feet and his extremities, I know it was hairless, his feet, extremities, tail on head and ears and everything just proportioned normally. His ears kind of look like maybe like a doverman. They were kind of pointy. His legs were pretty long, like a wolf leg, maybe like a timber wolf. Leg You know how the wolves have really long legs. It pretty much looked like a bald wolf with doverman ears and it was kind of muscular to you, now that I think of it, it was. It was it actually built like a pit bull, but way bigger. That makes any sense? Yeah? Yeah, And so did y'all. Have you in the year's sense, have you come down to what you think it was or you still confused on it? Because I would be, well, my dad, as strange as this seems, he just come out one day, was like I went over to visit with him and he come out one day and he's like, you remember that thing we've seen walking across the road. I was like, yeah, I remember, Like I believe that was a chop chochabra. I'm like, Dad, do you know how ridiculous that sounds with you telling me this? Right? But then't it kind of comforting to hear him know that he's thinking about it. Yeah, it makes me feel like less of a nutcase, if that makes anything. And I'm gonna now I'm gonna get to the part about my brother sharing the information he gained, because, like I said, my brother lives up near Tech Sarcana these things are all over his land. They yelled at him, and he actually got to see one and he called me. He said, hey, man, I know you're not crazy enough. More. My brother started learning about all this and everything and studying it and watching Bigfoot out laws and all that. He called me and he's like, man, you want to hear something. He wanted me to tell them the story about mine and I told him and he's like, I'm not gonna he said, I'm gonna be honest with you. The first time Dad told me you've seen a big giant eight thing out in the old field, I thought you were crazy. I was like, yeah, everybody did. And he said, now I understand. He said, we grew up around these things. I'm like what, and he's like yeah. He kept telling me this information, like how we would just hear random knocking in the woods, and how I seen those stick figure things and all this, and he's like, man, to think that we hunted out there not knowing what was around us the whole time. I'm like, yeah, it's it's kind of scary. I mean you always, every time you day or night, if you walked in those woods right now, you would feel you'd feel uneasy. I mean, it's just I don't know how to explain it. I'm getting nervous even talking about it because I don't even want to feel that feeling, like I won't I'm not going in woods without without at least a twenty gage shot gun. I hear that all the time about those East Texas swamps and lowlands and wetlands. I hear it all the time, especially. I mean, if something would get ahold of you, and see, we got panthers in those and we've seen panthers, a big black panthers out there and people have not believed us. And my dad had seen one of those two while we were together, and he's like, who can say, and you know that things then things are big, you know, then a panther to see among its people don't understand that there. It's just to have a feeling that you know that no one could get to you something happened out there. I mean no one, no one would even hear you. Yeah, I mean that could take you and probably totally dispose of you in short order. It would just be a mystery forever. They might do a podcast on you, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean it'd be like the missing four one one file, like I just disappeared, no trace, you know, right, And and that was all that was really what what was always in the back of my mind, going back to how you said I dealt, was it that was? That's really what was in my mind. A lot going in them woods. I'm like, you know, if I hollered right now with my dad here kind of trying to re and reassure yourself that if I need to get out of these woods in a hurry, I can get out of them and be safe. That makes any sense, you know. I've thought about and I've even got stories where people shoot them, like they'll walk up on them and they'll shoot them. They always take one shot. Now, most people deer hunter carrying a bolt rifle, and you know, you just can get one shot off at a time, and they're yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a great system for shooting the boat rifles the most. It's I love it. That's what I shoot with. Yeah, that's what my six point five is, a bolt action six point five. But I think I would start racking shells and I would not quit hitting this thing until I'll plumb out. I don't think I'm gonna take one shot lower the rifle, see what kind of damage it did with one of these things. I'm unloading everything I got right there. As long as I have breath to feed that gun, I'm gonna put breaths in it. And you know, if my dad even asked me that, questions like why didn't you just shoot it in the head, I'm like, Dad, And this was recently. We were talking about it because my brother had come down. We were all talking about the old field, you know, and it's just a very eerie place out there, especially at night. You know. My dad just come out just kind of how the blue was like, son, why didn't you Why didn't you shoot that that thing you've seen that night? And I told him I was like Dad, I was too scared. I was too scared. I had the gun loaded, it was cocked and ready. I mean, I was ready to ready to shoot, but I couldn't. I just could not move. The only time I could move is when that thing turned away from me and I was able to finally break out of that trance, you know. But while that while me and this thing was having a stare down, there was no moving. Like you and you have people also you know, if you if you go, if you take a shot at it. Yeah, I understand, continue to shoot at this thing, but I just froze. I didn't know I had a great barrel four ten. There was no way I could have shot him and reloaded and shot him again. And you were twelve years old. Oh yeah, I mean, he would have come over there and ripped my head off. That's just what would have happened. Well, I'm saying a twelve year old doesn't have the wets about him. I don't. I don't care where you're if you're raising the city, country, it doesn't matter. Twelve year old stout mature enough to know what to do. He's just going to react. And that's that's you know, me thinking about it now. You know, I'm twenty three now right now. I would have not have ran around the other side of the woods after it. I would have been getting the hell out of dodge, if you know what I mean. Like I mean, and I know I heard a lot. You know, you're not supposed to run from him and all this, but honestly, I'd probably run from one if I seen it again. Yeah, that thing was humongous. I mean, I've never seen something that wide across the shoulders. That thing, that thing was scary big. It hasn't stought me from hunting or not, you know, like you know how I know some people you know that it actually mentally scarred them because they seen one. It did burn an image into my head, but I mean, I'm not scared to go hunting or nothing. You know, you know, I don't think that thing felt threatened by me at all, because I mean I was a tiny little kid. He's probably looking at me like, if this dude shoots me, I'm going to go over there and rip him in half. And we all right. You know, Yeah, has your brother you talk with, you and your brother talk about these things. Has he had an encounter of any kind that you could relay? Yeah? Actually recently, like very like within the last three weeks. Like I was saying, how he's seen one. This recently happens. And up there where he lives is Bigfoot territory. I mean, they're they're all over where he lives. I can't think of the exact name where where he is right now. But he went out to these woods and he was doing whoops. You know, you know, I don't know if you ever heard, you know, if people going out and doing that whoop stuff where they're like whoop and try to get the sound back or whatever. Oh yeah, Well he was out there and he went he went into the woods and he was doing whoops and stuff, and he said he caught something out the right perifu by the corner of his eye. And he looked real quick and he said he's seen one does off behind a tree. And I asked him, I said, well, what color was it? He said it was like a rust color. I wondered why his was rusty colored? Mine black. I don't I don't you know, I don't understand. Well, we did research on it and turns out there's different colors and you know, like an old one would have gray hair. And I know I sound like a rambling idiot, but it's I don't know how else to explain this kind of stuff. And are you kidding me? You don't sound like an idiot. Every everybody's listening to this is glued to the to the video. I promise you this because this is first hand knowledge. It's not you know, it's yours is less than twelve years old, and your brothers, as were very recent did anything happen after he saw this thing jump behind a tree, did he I mean, was it just gone or he said, it was just like it went behind the tree and vanished. It was like it just like disappeared behind a tree. And I'm not saying like some some people think big foots can travel through portals or something some kind of mess. I don't know about all that, Like I said, I'd have to see something like that to believe it. But I think that they they're so endowed with with with the way in nature words that they can just kind of slight of hand, you you know. And I'm saying like they can get away with you not knowing they're getting away. Yeah. I think there are animals that have above average intelligence and they've learned and talk, you know, through the centuries. They've learned to avoid humans and they oh yeah, definitely, they've mastered the skills. And like I said earlier, you know, in that little patch of woods you were hunting, I can't tell you the times I've hunted little patches of woods like that and there'll be a deer in there and you see them jump up and move and they're gone. They're just gone. They're gone. But what they've done is they I think animals they instinctively know a little bit about line of sight. They're going to run to the opposite side, away from you. And if they hit that field running full speed, and there's nothing prettier than seeing a deer run across the field flat out, I mean, just after burners roaring. But that's what they're doing. And they're on the other side where you can't get over there quick enough to even see them, and if you do, they're two hundred fifty three hundred yards away. So I think animals, you know, like a squirrel, I mean, you walk into the woods, Squirrels know to go to the back side of the tree. That's where they go every time they're gonna get And you can move around that tree and they'll just keep They'll see you. You know, you'll see them, and they'll just keep moving. You can hear them scratching that bar moving around. So I think animals just do that well. The sasquatch apparently have mastered that to no end. And they may be going up and they may be going straight up and we're looking at level with our eyes, and so what do you think about? That's all we know, you know, like we're like we're like looking on the ground and you know, looking out through the woods, like where is this thing? Never think to look up, do you? You know, like it's it's not that's not in your head when you're doing that, because you've seen this thing walking around, you're like, oh, well, this thing couldn't just jump before the foot up into the tree, you know, like that's right, that's try And you don't hear them go up the tree, and they I think they've you know, it's possible they could learn to go real quiet, you know if they're not, especially if they're on a big hardwood tree like an oak or something that that bark is not gonna make much sound like it would a pine tree. So yeah, that'll pine tree sound like leaves fall and something knock off some of that bark. Back to your brother, this thing just vanished and that was it, right, Yeah. And then and then, like before before this had happened, he had he had a few encounters with them making noises at him. One of them was actually he heard something russ on all the round he passes the church over there and near a near Longview. It's actually near Longview. He passes a church over there, and he lives in the gym. Well, one night he heard some noises or something out back, because because the gym he lives in is literally in the dang there in the woods. I mean it's it's literally the backside of the gym is almost into the woods. And he has a kid and a wife. So, I mean, I can understand him being protective going out there and seeing was making some noise, you know, I understand that. Well, this is before he learned the noises. I mean, this was after he learned the noises they make, like the whoops and everything. Well, he told my my sister and all. He's like, well, I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna I'm gonna do a whoop see if anything, you know, just to see if anything will make a noise back at me. And as he said, as soon as he did that whoop, something screamed at him. He said it was so loud he could fill it in his chest. He's like, okay, I'm going back in. I'm going back in, locking the doors, not dealing with this. I'm done. Yeah, he is. He has covered up with them. I've never done that here. I'm afraid to do it. I'm afraid to knock on trees. I'm afraid to make any kind of silly calls, they would say. Me and my brother to this day, we still want to go back to that old field just to see, you know, just to just to go out there and maybe do a whoop or maybe a wood knock or something. And it was it wasn't uncommon to walk in there and sound like a giant woodpecker slapping against a tree. I mean, it was all the time out there. It's like me and my brother got to talk in and we were like, man, we grew up around these things. They were all out in there. You know. I don't know if they're still there because that was a good little while back. But you know, we've had hurricanes and everything. I don't know how they react to inclement weather like that, but we get hurricanes and everything down here, so I don't know if they moved away or whatever. I think these things have been here for centuries and probably probably postplice to see you know, the ice age extinction. Oh definitely probably made it through that. And they probably get run out during hurricanes or they know where to go. I don't know. I just think it's a creature that is so has evolved so well and its environment that it can actually it can actually do some of these things to make you think it's cloaking and make you think that it's vanishing anything there. So yeah, pretty much, because our minds don't we can't organize that. I mean, I've said it before. You know, tangible biological creatures cannot just vanish. There's there's no matter there, and you can't fathom what is going on when something like that, Like I to this day, I still can't fathom that I've seen one of them things. I still think about it quite a bit, and everything runs through my head, like, man, what if that thing would have come out of there and just grab me. I couldn't fight that thing. I mean, that thing was probably six seven hundred pounds, maybe maybe even more. It's like, it's going back to what I said earlier, it's the fear of the unknown. You can't fathom what this thing's doing because you don't. You don't know what it's doing. Really. Another weird thing was usually when I went out in the woods, I always had dogs with me. If I would hear or would not, my dogs would just disappear. I wouldn't know. I guess they've run back to the house or something. But you know, and my old dog, he wasn't scared nothing. I mean, that thing will get out in the marsh and fights new tourettes and tunes and everything else and kill them and everything. But if that dog heard it would not it was gone. That dog would disappear. Yeah, they know they know something we don't know. Okay, So there's your first encounter. There's a deer stand just ripped to shreds, your dad and you ran into a dog. And now your brother is digging deep and y'all are y'all are y'all are starting to learn about these things. So coming forward from that, I mean, he had an encounter three weeks ago. Is anything going on right now that's got you entered? Are you going to dig deep into this research thing and start looking for him? Well, I mean I have. I have been been researching quite a bit, uh, especially recently, you know, now that it's come out and my brothers, you know, I really just kind of wanted confirmation that somebody, for somebody to believe me. That's That's what I've seen growing up in my family. They never were big for that sort of thing, especially my dad. I mean, my dad was a hardcore man. He just was like, there ain't nothing out there. I can't put a bullet in, you know, like and it felt good to finally know that somebody understood what I seen. And it's just it's kind of like confirmation, you know. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't mind going to look for him, but I've been doing a lot of research and I'm not positive if I want to go and just see one again. I don't know if I'm ready for that yet, because I've never felt that was primal fear that I felt at night. Now, I don't want to. I don't know how i'd react now. I might react a little different now, but I mean still something that big. It's just I don't know. I don't know really how to explain it to you about you like seeing that for yourself, you know. I wish I could show people somehow how it looks. But best I can do is probably draw a picture of it or something. But I'm not a great artist or nothing like that. Yeah, i would draw like a stick blobber. It would look like a cartoon or like a third grader did it well. I think you've explained it really well, and I think there you know, there's no way any of us can know who've not had an experience, what that's like or what they look like unless we've been there. However, there's good people like you stepping forward and doing your best to describe it. And you're very believable. You seem sincere about all of it. I know this thing didn't didn't you know, get aggressive with you or anything. But do you think, based on what you've learned and what you've seen that if they did get aggressive, it could get pretty nasty? Oh? I firmly believe that if I, like, like I said, if I would have racked a fourteen round in this thing, he probably would have come risked me. Apart the research I've done, I've researched, you know, quite a bit and read a lot of things, and not from none of that, like whatever that TV show was called or whatever? Man, what is the name of that TV show? Were they hunt big Foot or something? I don't remember finding. Yeah, No, that's a bunch of bullcrap. I'm not trying to diss anybody or nothing, but that's my opinion. I think these things from based on the knowledge I've acquired from from studying about them. They they are very territorial. They won't get aggressive unless you provoked them first. I think I've read a lot of things where they'll they'll lead somebody out of the wood by the noises they make or something, and you know, they're just trying to get you away from their home. And I understand that. Going back to what you said, do you think they can get aggressive or it could get what did you say it could get? An asked if they get aggressive yet? Yeah, I mean the reason I asked that is because there's a lot of people, especially on the West Coast too, and I have a lot of commenters will tell me that they are. They'll allude to the fact that these things are gentle creatures and they you know, you know all that, and there are so many theories and there's reasons. There are so many theories. But for something, maybe it's these size squats you out here in the east. Maybe it's you know, local some of the encounters that I've actually heard firsthand of these things around here in this Delta area where I live. They're not real nice, They're not you know, they heard people. They don't. They don't like a tackle like a lion would, for example, But they're thinking, they're thinking it through, and they're making people do things that you know, they'll push them, or they'll corner them or in course, you know, there's half the audience that I'll say, well, hell if they want to kill you, they to kill jar or whatever. And that may be true, but we don't really know what they're doing. I don't think we know what they're doing. Well, I did read something that I have to look it up. I might send it to you. And it was about to Texas big foot. So like, especially down here towards where I live, they've been prone to be pretty aggressive. Now, I mean the one like the one I ran up on, he could have been young, you know, a younger watcher will. I mean, I don't know how they their childhood or growing upwards. But I don't think he wanted to hurt me. I think if I think if he wanted to, he probably would have. Because they're I'm twelve years old. There's none I could have done about it. You know, I have this little bitty shotguns. I'm not going to hurt them too bad with it. They've been known to be aggressive down here, especially in Louisiana, so I guess, you know, I don't know. I've never seen one over there, had any experience over there, but they're said to be pretty aggressive, and they're dark colored, and which made perfect sense when I read that. Almost to all the encounters that you'll hear in the eastern part of the United States, especially in the wetlands wherever it's, wherever water stands, these things scare people to death to where there's other times where you'll here encounters and they don't seem so menacing anyway. I just think it's around. You know, we go round and round talking about these things, and there are so many theories, but it's so good to hear somebody who's actually seen one and who has formed opinions based on several accounts. I really appreciate it. We're coming up on an hour, do you have It went by pretty quick, didn't it? Yeah? I did that, it feels like and sitting outside for about twenty minutes, I know, I know, you got to get to work. Uh, Don works nights. He's a working man, he's he's a hustler, so he's got to get to work, and but I want to ask you, do you have any parting thoughts with people who are going to hear this? Don If anybody sees one, don't run. I heard they don't like that. It's just good to be able to talk about it and people believe me. I mean, if that makes sense to be careful out in the woods. I mean, that's the best advice I can give you. You never know what's lurking out there, but you still go. And so it's like it's not it's not run you out. And I always tell people, you know, there's so many wonderful things in the wild places that you can enjoy. And the accounts of these things, you know, killing people are taking people. We don't know if these four one one cases are big foot. I think people suspect they are. It's like this, I'm this type of person. It's that thing. If that thing's going to come after me. Like let's say I went out to the deer lease and started hunting, you know, right now, a hog hunting or whatever I was doing, and he comes up. You know, if he's trying to hurt me, he's gonna know I was there before it gets me. But if it's my time. It's my time. But he's gonna know I was there. I can just tell you that, yes, yeah, that's a I had some people. We've been trying to plan a trout fishing trip out west, get some of those big steelhead and it's in bear country and that makes me really nervous. Black bears. I think black bears would make me just about as nervous. And I've run up on a couple and man, it's not a good feeling because you don't know what that animal's gonna do. But going into grizzly country, know when they eat fish, and I'm gonna be standing out in the stream, you know, flipping a fly up and down that stream. It's just it bothers me. So there are dangerous places in the in the in the wilderness, and but you know, it's you're just not gonna have any fun. And if you're interested in that thing, if you don't get out there, oh yeah. And you know, like I said, I'm not fearful of many things out in the woods. But if I would have seen one, now, you know, and I said, I'd probably run because I would probably have no choice. I would just you know, or that thing might not try to hurt me, but I would hurt myself trying to get away from that thing, you know. And it's hard to say you just staying there and look at it, but I don't know. I'd probably run from it. Now. Something tells me you would handle it just right. I think you're your woodsy enough and you've had it. You've experienced this thing once, and I think you would. I think you would read the situation and do it right. I wouldn't second guess myself. So hey, listen, I've really enjoyed talking to you, and I appreciate you spending time on a work day before you go to work to talk to everybody, because I'm telling you everybody will really appreciate and enjoy your encounter. I want to tell you thank You're a great guy. Non I appreciate you. Yes, there, it's no problem. Thanks for listening to the video. A great guest. The interviews are going to be coming more frequently. I've got time to do them now, and if you would like to share your encounter personally in a recorded interview, just send me an email and put an interview in the subject matter so it kind of sticks out at me and I'll get back with you and we'll talk about it and set up a time like Donna and I have. I actually got his email. I think it was dated. It was old, it was like four or five months old, and I just got in touch with him. It was a couple I think it was a couple of months ago. I'm not pausing, and I run across these and I go, oh, this guy's willing to talk. So I'll get in touch with him. And I have a lot of emails in my inbox. But anyway, if you're interested in an interview, put an interview in the subject matter and I'll get back with you. But otherwise, thank you for watching the video and I we'll see you guys on the next one. Thanks