WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:38.719 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey there, 2 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:42.799 how are you welcome to Destiny. Come on in, have a seat. 3 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:56.079 We're talking about plants and foliage this week. And about forty years ago a 4 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:02.200 book came out called Secret Life of Playing and it was written by one of 5 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:07.239 my favorite authors, a guy named Peter Tompkin, and his co writer a 6 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:12.680 guy named Christopher Bird. I actually knew Christopher Bird. He was at a 7 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:18.760 number of whole life experts in San Francisco in late nineteen nineties. But between 8 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:25.359 them, they were focused, and they wrote a great deal of scientific evidence 9 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:32.079 that plants, trees, foliage in general was sincient. They had that plants 10 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:38.239 had consciousness and could feel pain, and they were aware of their environment and 11 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:45.760 most notably their human counterpart. And a lot of people were up in arms 12 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:49.400 when this was published, and in fact, there were a number of scientists 13 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.400 that tried to disprove it. Of course, now we know that plants do 14 00:01:53.599 --> 00:02:02.040 feel pain, are aware of our presence, and this is all evidence based 15 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:08.680 scientific testing that's proving all this. But what makes this topic so fascinating is 16 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:14.439 that and we'll hear it from this here from my guestity on more details, 17 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:19.280 it really looks like these are plant allies, is what I'm going to call, 18 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.960 or plant spirits are here to help us. And it's funny because I 19 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:29.280 talk about going out for a walk in nature once or twice a week, 20 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:35.879 sometimes more if I can whether permitting, and there is a real healing and 21 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:43.080 reconnecting of the earth with living us, the living beings on the earth. 22 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.199 And when you get out and you put your turn your phone off, you 23 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.439 put your leave your phone in the car, whatever, and you are uninterrupted 24 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:57.960 in your walk, hike, whatever you're doing in nature. It actually is 25 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:02.879 a great health benefit. It's been shown to reduce stress, quiet the mind, 26 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:13.199 help with anxiety depression. There's a huge list of benefits of simple hiking 27 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:22.120 or walking in nature and how nature responds to you entering its domain. Now, 28 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.520 I live in an area that is noted for its redwoods, and they're 29 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:30.560 not close to me right now, I have to cross the bridge. The 30 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:36.919 closest redwoods are in Marin County, which is Mill Valley. And then you 31 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.639 go further north about at least fifty miles, and then you begin to see 32 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:46.199 what's remaining of the Sequoia redwood Sequoia redwoods are noted for being the oldest and 33 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:52.520 the biggest. I mean, we're talking three hundred plus feet tall, is 34 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:58.599 wide as a house. They're huge, and that was the wood that was 35 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.879 used to build San Francis going much of the Bay Area. But when you 36 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:10.199 are around these trees, they exude a certain energy that is actually palatable. 37 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:16.160 And I have been in situations where I have been visiting my relatives, my 38 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:23.800 son and other relatives in northern California in areas that are surrounded by these trees 39 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:30.399 and purposefully would spend at least thirty minutes if not longer, in walking among 40 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.519 them to get relief from stressed, to just kind of to dial it down. 41 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:43.319 And I can say unequivocally that you since you feel a shift when you 42 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:47.839 are with these trees. They have shown that these redwood trees and old other 43 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:58.959 old grove forests actually exude spores and other micro fungi that that doesn't sound good, 44 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.759 but that's what they are. That can that are in the atmosphere that 45 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:11.879 you take in, and they actually are forms of healing remedies. And we're 46 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.800 just beginning to figure this out. And this is why the benefits of nature 47 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:23.920 are huge, and we need to actually get back into the swing or the 48 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:30.439 practice of walking among nature. Now, my guest today is going to talk 49 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:35.399 about plants and plant spirits, and this is something that we haven't talked about. 50 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:40.160 And it's funny because if you find that book, and by the way, 51 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:46.279 I really recommend if you haven't read Secret the Secret Life of Plants, 52 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.360 get the movie. You can get it for free on YouTube and watch it. 53 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:57.160 It's a couple of hours, but it describes our place among our allies, 54 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:01.399 our plant and tree allies. And once you read it, you become 55 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:09.279 more sensitive to the plants that you grow in your yard, the food crops, 56 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:14.199 the plants you have indoors, and the and the plants and trees and 57 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:19.759 bushes that might be in your home, around your yard or nearby, and 58 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:27.439 they all play a part in creating this environment of healing, of nurturing, 59 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.560 and most importantly of balance. And I don't say that lightly. When I 60 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:38.399 come back from my hike, I'm you know, tired obviously from the hike, 61 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.240 the strain of the hike, the exercise, but I find that my 62 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:47.360 mind has been cleared and if I've been having an issue in creativity, like 63 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.399 my writing. I'm trying to write a couple of books right now, trying 64 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:54.920 to finish them. I should say I get more insight. One of the 65 00:06:55.240 --> 00:07:00.439 that I learned years ago is that if you have a critical problem, be 66 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:06.199 at health, family, relationships, work, whatever. If you have a 67 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:10.319 question in your mind and leave it there and you go for a hike or 68 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:15.160 physical activity in nature and you come back, it's gonna you're gonna find yourself 69 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:21.360 having answers to that or more more likely solutions to an issue. And as 70 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:28.759 crazy as that is, you can actually do a search for nature solutions or 71 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:34.560 or how nature can answer questions. It's funny because I laughed, because it's 72 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:42.399 I've actually had some profound answers to questions on specifics on ancient civilizations, which 73 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.720 is kind of funny. And then you verify them, of course. So 74 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.680 I want to play a short audio from a video from a scientist this is 75 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:57.000 about ten years ago, who used some technology, hooked them up the plants, 76 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:03.920 and you'll actually hear the plan seeing certain sounds in relation to the feed 77 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:09.959 they're getting the impetus their input. You can hear them responding to the input 78 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.600 and it sounds like music, but listen to what the scientist has to say. 79 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.360 This is a very short few minutes. I think it's two and a 80 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:24.680 half minutes. Plants communicating. You were listening to the sound of plants communicating. 81 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:35.120 Back in the seventies, there was a lot of research about plant consciousness 82 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:41.080 and some of this was Some of this was had to do with the fact 83 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.720 that plants reacted to signals that were coming from other plants, and these could 84 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.759 be detected very much like the sensors we have here. In fact, Clive 85 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:58.519 Baxter was a man who had electro that was a lie detector equipment wired plants 86 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:05.799 up. Found that one plant that wasn't wired up would react to harm that 87 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.000 the plant that was hooked up, and vice versas. So you had this 88 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:16.639 plant symbiosis of signals, something like a perhaps it's some field phenomena happening between 89 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:22.519 plants. He even went so far as to hook up shrimp that would we're 90 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.159 on a timer and at a certain point the shrimp would fall into scalding water 91 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.000 and the scalding one they would die immediately in the plant on the electron cephalogram 92 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.639 or go we you know, it's just a signal would go crazy. It'd 93 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.679 be screaming, essentially feeling the demise of the shrimp. I'm thinking that it's 94 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:50.399 possible that by running these signals through audio processors sophisticated ones, that we're revealing 95 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:56.679 more of what's in the signal, not just adding something to a simple pitch 96 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.559 shift, because of the fact that there's a complex by bology involved, that 97 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.600 we're opening that signal up. The more it opens up, the more it 98 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.720 seems the plants want to do. The more range you give them of expression, 99 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:15.919 the more they seem to work with that range and produce an incredible, 100 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:18.480 uh you know, deeper effects. Just like there, all of a sudden, 101 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.919 I'm talking about it, and the next thing we know that things boosting 102 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:28.720 itself right up, you know. So there's this funny reciprocosity between the plant 103 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:35.039 and the operator and whatever else is going on in the room. You put 104 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.759 on some music, all of a sudden, they seem to be pegging themselves 105 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:46.240 to the music. Is that a magnetic phenomena or is that a biological phenomena? 106 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.480 I can't say, you know, but it's wild to see it. 107 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.960 These things are also interacting with other invisible realms. I mean, how do 108 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:01.960 I know that there are there isn't you know a gnome living in that tree 109 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:11.159 that's taking advantage of this to express itself. I say that was really interesting. 110 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.320 I'll post that video up for you to take a look. If there's 111 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:22.320 a couple of others. If you do plant communication scientific plant communication on YouTube, 112 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.200 you might be surprised to see that there's a bunch of different practices or 113 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:37.240 experiments where plants were hooked up and there was something that's happening around them and 114 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:45.679 how they responded either angry voices, happy voices, singing, screaming, and 115 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.200 you know, you get a sense of how plants react to humans in their 116 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.120 environment. So fascinating study and it's something to consider. It's something really to 117 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.240 be conscious of as you interact with plants, and as you'll hear today in 118 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.720 this fun interview, they are our spirit helpers, they are our physical helpers, 119 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:13.000 and they are important in our life. So today's program is communicating with 120 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.279 plants, heart based practices for connecting with plant spirits. And my guest is 121 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:56.600 author Gin Fry. Hey, I love plants. I have a few endored 122 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.480 plants. I'm kind of a nature boy in some way. Living here in 123 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:05.639 northern California, and we're always looking for new books, books that are communicating 124 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.960 working with nature because so much of our lives here in the Western culture, 125 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.039 and I'm speaking of those of us in the United States are kind of out 126 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.320 of touch with nature. And when you're out of touch, you let in 127 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:26.159 a lot of problems, like psychosis, like mental health issues, physical issues. 128 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:28.039 If I don't get a hike in once a week, I am in 129 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:33.279 a big, big trouble. And we came across a new book called Communicating 130 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:39.720 with Plants. Heart Based Practices for Connecting with Plant Spirits, is by an 131 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.039 author named gin Fry, and I had to have her on the program because 132 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:50.080 the book reminds me of a very old book came out about twenty maybe almost 133 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.320 thirty years ago called Secret Life of Plants with Christopher Bird and Peter Tompkins. 134 00:13:56.440 --> 00:14:03.639 They basically are proponing thatts have some form of sentience or consciousness, and they 135 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:09.399 were able to show somewhat proof of this in their writing. I think the 136 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.960 book we're talking about today does have some of those elements, and that's why 137 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.799 we have Jen on the program. Gen Welcome to Destiny. Great to see 138 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.720 you. How you doing, Thanks Cliff, Thanks for having me. And 139 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.679 I hate to start this off by like depressing you here, but that book 140 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.120 actually came out fifty years ago. Oh my god, Oh my god, 141 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.279 you're like Cliff, it's my reference book. I have it right up here. 142 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.759 It's got dog eared corners and okay, wow, oh that shows you 143 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:41.000 how old I am, we're how fast time flies? Right, Yeah, 144 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:46.240 that's true. Hey, let's talk about you. What got you involved in 145 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:52.039 I mean, what was the path that you have been taking to kind of 146 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.600 connect you with plants to the point where you write this book. Yeah, 147 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.600 so I would say, I mean, first of all, we'll take you 148 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.879 on that whole journey because it's a long, circuitous, lifelong journey. But 149 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:07.960 you know, I know that book that The Secret Life of Plants so well 150 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.559 because I inherited it from my grandfather. So I'm like, oh my god. 151 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.759 Okay, my maternal grandfather bought it when it first came out, So 152 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.919 he and my paternal grandfather are really the two people that started me on this 153 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:26.960 path that just taught me about nature and particularly plants. And for my paternal 154 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.720 grandfather was really about grow your own food, and the best medicine is your 155 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:35.480 food and it comes from your backyard, like he They lived in the suburbs 156 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:37.559 in Leicester County, had like less than half an acre of land, but 157 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.799 grew most of their own food, including nuts and fruits, and like wow, 158 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.440 going to their house was just wonderful that I could climb trees and eat 159 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:54.600 apricots. And then my maternal grandfather, he was an organic gardener from like 160 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.720 way back. And where did they live? They well, so my maternal 161 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.279 grand father was a Methodist minister, that was his actual profession, so also 162 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:07.279 in Pennsylvania, but he looked around, you know, So they lived in 163 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.039 the country, and then they lived closer to Philadelphia, so all around. 164 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.360 But they always had the biggest question whenever they moved. For my grandfather, 165 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.559 my grandmother took care of the entire household of moving my grandfather's like how are 166 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.919 we going to move the greenhouse? And how are we going to move the 167 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.279 compost pile? And those were the biggest Wow. So they actually took the 168 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:30.519 plants in with them. Oh yeah, yeah, that must have been a 169 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.720 chore. Oh. I was fortunately young enough whenever they moved that I missed 170 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:37.639 all of that, but I do remember, like my dad a punk role 171 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.480 and you know, them all complaining like, oh no, here we go 172 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:45.440 again. Yeah. But but what my maternal grandfather taught me was because he 173 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.559 always played music in his greenhouse for the plants, and so he taught me 174 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.799 that we had to ask permission when we're harvesting, and we would sing, 175 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.600 particularly to the strawberries when we were harvesting, we'd always sing, oh my 176 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:02.159 god. Yeah. So it's just just sweet thing like I feel like now. 177 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:07.440 So my grandfather, my maternal grandfather, had dementia, and it was 178 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.000 a very slow progression, like it started in his forties. So that's why 179 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.720 he gave me all of his plant books while he was still with like somewhat 180 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:21.000 conscious. He knew the dementia was getting pretty severe. And unfortunately I didn't 181 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.319 read that book until he was too far gone, so I never got to 182 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.640 talk to him. But I suspect that he was actually communicating with plants but 183 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:32.240 didn't have anybody to talk to about it. And so now, you know, 184 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:33.960 like in my life, as I'm going through it, I'm like starting 185 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.799 to unravel, like, oh, I think this is what he was talking 186 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.880 about. Oh I think. So that's really the start came from my grandparents. 187 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.039 I love that a young age yeah, I love that you're just like 188 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:52.839 immersed in this plant life and this nature. Did he or any of your 189 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:57.119 relatives or in your research, did you get a sense of how our ancestors 190 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:03.400 were communicating with plant We know that the indigenous people, and we've had many 191 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.079 Native Americans on the program that connect with the forests and so forth and so 192 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:14.079 on through ceremony and ritual, But did you come across any sense of early 193 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:22.759 Americans or anyone working with plants where you are communicating with them? So not 194 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.599 from my own ancestors. Again, like I'm only thinking that my grandfather had 195 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.119 those experiences, he never voiced them. And you know this was back in 196 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.839 the seventies and eighties, and again he's a Methodist minister, so so you 197 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.359 know, when The Secret Life of Plants came out, that was like such 198 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:40.720 a shocking book, right, it was just like what plants are intelligence? 199 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.960 It's like radically right radical, and it actually marked like a whole lot of 200 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:49.160 backlash. There was like all these scientists that were set out to prove disprove 201 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:53.039 it, and now of course we have the opposite. There's this whole field 202 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.319 of plant intelligence that all these people are trying to show like, actually they 203 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.640 are. So I don't have any definitive proved from my own ancestors, like 204 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:06.039 you said, with indigenous peoples, and we all like for some of us, 205 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.400 we have to go really far back, but we all have ancestors who 206 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.160 are indigenous to a place and who and by indigenous, I mean they lived 207 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:18.400 really closely connected with nature, And so yeah, I think it doesn't take 208 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:26.319 It's not a big stretch to recognize that we survived because our ancestors understood and 209 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.519 communicated with not just plants, but all of nature. Is to like, 210 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.160 you know, this food's edible, Like the idea that they did trial and 211 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.519 error. I'm just like, really, you really think that's how we figure 212 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:41.440 this out, not that it never happened, but come on, like yeah, 213 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.079 yeah, yeah, I have a sense thing. And you use the 214 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:49.079 term ally in your book quite a bit plant allies. You know, if 215 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:56.359 you are communing, as you call it, and working with these plant entities, 216 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:03.759 it's going to come across in some form of of communication. And I 217 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:10.880 love how you use the word amnesia or amnesiac pretty much to the possibilities of 218 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.799 working with plants. Talk a little bit about this amniesia, how it has 219 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:19.519 grown and how we had to clear that. Oh sure, I'm like, 220 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.599 oh, you can do it in a few minutes. Come on, let's 221 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.519 do it, because like, dude, that's the whole book. You just 222 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:33.519 be and more and more, that's our whole process of earlier I think. 223 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.680 But but first, I just want to back up a little bit. So 224 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.640 going back to the communicating with plants part, you know from my own self. 225 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.079 So while even though I told you about my grandparents and that experience, 226 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.880 I knew from such a young age that people communicated with plants, but I 227 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.279 didn't think that I was able to communicate with plants. So my own experience 228 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:56.680 was that I was receiving messages from them, and it took me a long 229 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.279 time to recognize that they were coming from the plants. And this is thing 230 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.160 I see again and again in my students, my clients. You're just people 231 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:08.200 I meet in life that we're all able to receive these messages, but often 232 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.640 we just don't have a framework or at context or even an understanding. I'm 233 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.720 going to stop you real quickly. Give us an example of receiving these subtle 234 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:22.119 messages and being like totally out of it, and perhaps they're like, oh, 235 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:25.279 that's just me talking to myself. Is it like a voice that you're 236 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:33.960 hearing. Is it something on a level where there's communicating that is understandable, 237 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.400 or is it more subtle. I think all of the above. So, 238 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.079 you know, example from my own life, which is how I finally discovered 239 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.160 that, oh I'm getting them from the plants, and I talk about this 240 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.839 in the book. Is that you know I had was there was a very 241 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.680 challenging time where we took in my nephew who's six foot three. I also 242 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.359 had two young boys at home and we are all living in a tiny house 243 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.640 of six hundred and seventy five square feet. Oh boy, exactly. Fortunately 244 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.319 we were on a farm, so we had you know, lots of land 245 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.680 outside. But I was homeschooling my kids at the time. I also was 246 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.720 helping my husband and his business, so there really wasn't a moment of the 247 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:17.279 day for me. And there was all this drama that was coming up with 248 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.960 like normal, right, bringing in somebody, new children, all of that, 249 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:23.920 right, there's always drama, but it was a really dramatic time period. 250 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:27.519 And so the only time I had to myself was early morning when my 251 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:32.200 kids were still sleeping and so I'd get up and I'd go pick berries, 252 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:36.759 and I like just was way down from the moment I woke up. I 253 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:38.680 like all these issues going on in my life. But as I'm picking the 254 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:44.640 berries, I start finding solutions to the different issues. And it took me 255 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.039 quite a time before I realized, like, oh, those solutions are coming 256 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.519 from the plants. So how it looks like, I think it varies to 257 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:57.440 different people. For me, sometimes I see images. Sometimes I hear like 258 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.359 an internal voice, similar to like hearing your mother's voice in your head, 259 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.480 but it's different than my own. It's different than like words that I would 260 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:11.240 use, or different tone or different syntex. And for others, they have 261 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:17.119 feelings or there's just like that, Aha, I have this like great idea, 262 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.920 and you know, like artists, scientists have always talked about those moments 263 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.720 and true, I feel like the ones who are really in integrity with their 264 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.559 truth will tell you that that comes from source. You know, it comes 265 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:36.839 from some divine being. Muse, yeah you could be your yeah, go 266 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.160 ahead, yeah, yeah So that's well, I think that's you know, 267 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:45.119 So that's what I would say as far as how we were receiving these messages. 268 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.000 And I do think, like from you know, from my work, 269 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:51.759 the reason why we call it heart based is because it's easier for us to 270 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:56.359 receive them if we're in our heart center and we're more receptive. But we 271 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:02.000 can receive them in other ways and we just might not know it. Okay, 272 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.640 so I want you to and this is he could have to dig in 273 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:12.400 a little bit maybe, But this symbiotic relationship of plants and humans, do 274 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.160 you think this is what it was meant to be? In other words, 275 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.079 they're here, we're here. They've been here since the beginning of time, 276 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:26.440 probably before humans, and here we are showing up and it's like it's like 277 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.720 they were designed to be part of a support system. Is that something that 278 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.480 makes sense? Yeah? I think it does. And I think the other 279 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.440 thing though, is that it's not just that they're supposed to be a support 280 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:41.359 system. That's how it's set up right now, But we're really supposed to 281 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.720 be in close partnership, you know, like we can see it with plants 282 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.960 and other animals, Like plants and animals have always evolved together. Usually the 283 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:56.039 plants evolved before the animal counterpart, but the animals moving things around helped the 284 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:02.200 plants to move around and to grow. And so I think the ideal which 285 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:07.160 I'm hoping we're going to head towards that is that you know, yes, 286 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.880 plants are support system, but we also become their support system and together we 287 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:17.240 grow. Just like in any healthy relationship when you're both really like in your 288 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:21.119 fullness, you help one another to grow, grow and evolve even more. 289 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:25.519 Yeah, I like that. Would you say that they have a divine wisdom 290 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.079 that is greater than humans or would you say that they are on the same 291 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.279 scale and just there to kind of push us along in a positive manner. 292 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:37.640 So one of the biggest lessons I've learned from nature is that they don't use 293 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:42.839 hierarchy, So I wouldn't say it's a greater intelligence, it's a different intelligence. 294 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:48.759 The difference between plants intelligence and human intelligence is plants remember their intelligence. 295 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.799 So now we're circling back to that amnesiac question, you know, like, 296 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.880 so plants know who they are, they know like what their roles are, 297 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.720 they know that they are part of everything. But as humans, we've forgotten 298 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.000 that and most of us know that like, well, we might not recognize 299 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.839 it, but we're often walking around like I have no idea what I'm doing 300 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:15.400 with my life working there for I hate this job, but I've got to 301 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:21.880 live there right exactly, So so you know, we can recognize it on 302 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.960 that level, But on the greater scheme is that as as humans, like 303 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.039 when we come into this world, we just forget it all. We forget 304 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.240 why we're here, we forget that we agree to learn certain lessons, we 305 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:38.039 forget that we are actually love, we forget that we're connected to all beings 306 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.920 and that it's together that we thrive. So we just forget all of that, 307 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.279 and the plants remember it. So that's one of the big differences. 308 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.799 And they're helping us, you know. That's why I think it's so important 309 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.240 that we do learn how to communicate with them, because they help us to 310 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:57.559 remember all of our own truth and help us to override that amnesia. I 311 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:03.319 think it's a healthy way to live, to be close to nature and to 312 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.119 be communicating, even though you may not consciously be aware of what you're doing. 313 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.599 I think when you get out of nature, it kind of rubs off 314 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.160 when you say, oh totally, I mean there's again, you know, 315 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.200 there's all these scientific studies right of just walking in a forest just feel so 316 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.240 much better. And then there's the whole field of biophelia that it just says 317 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:27.799 that it is absolutely required for humans to thrive to survive, that we be 318 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:32.599 living in close proximity with nature. And I just have to say, even 319 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.759 just say that just makes me like it's almost like nails on the chalkboard, 320 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.759 because you know, we are nature, like we have all this bacteria and 321 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:42.960 as we're a whole universe of beings. Right, Yeah, I'd like to 322 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:48.400 think that we can be separate is a little in its self insanity, but 323 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.079 at the same time, we recognize the difference from living in a human built 324 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.920 environment and an environment that incorporates our more than human kin, and yeah, 325 00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:03.200 it's definitely to our well being. And for myself, I don't do well, 326 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.519 not like I know, when I'm starting to like be more reactive or 327 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.880 getting stressed, it's just like, oh, yeah, I haven't been spending 328 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.039 time outside. I need to go. You probably wouldn't do well in the 329 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:19.680 big city, an apartment two hundred feet in the air or whatever, thirty 330 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.839 second floor above everything, you know. I actually lived in Madrid for a 331 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.599 few months and it was one of the most challenging times. I love Madrid. 332 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.559 I love cities, I love the art, I love the food, 333 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.839 the people. It's all amazing. But oh my gosh, no, m 334 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:42.559 you reference your your grandfather is kind of a mentor by not necessarily teaching you 335 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.240 in a school way. It's more of a just by learning and so forth. 336 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.680 He sounds like he had a green thumb, which is somebody who can 337 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.240 plan and nurture and work with the plants quite a bit. Do you think 338 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.640 people with green thumbs have an advantage over the rest of us simply because they 339 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.519 may not be communicating knowledge with knowledge, but they're still connecting with the plant 340 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:10.160 world. Yeah, that's a challenging question because so in my world, in 341 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.599 my work, so you know, teaching people how to communicate with plants, 342 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:18.000 and also I have a whole apprenticeship program which is teaching people how to work 343 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:23.440 with plant spirits for healing. It's actually more challenging for people who have I 344 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:29.160 guess green thumbs too, but also like have a prior herbal knowledge, right, 345 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.519 because we can get locked in and so even with people like our gardening 346 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.319 programs, a lot of it's not really actually in alignment with nature. It's 347 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.440 more it still continues that human domination. So there is an advantage of course, 348 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:47.920 like you pointed out that they're in nature, but sometimes we can still 349 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.640 get caught up in that the war on plants, like we got we got 350 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.759 to clear out all these weeds or there's these bugs infesting and we got to 351 00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.960 get rid of them. And we need to remember that, like everybody has 352 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.000 a right to thrive and live, and let's find out why this stuff is 353 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:10.319 happening and let's you know, work together. I love that. Describe your 354 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:15.599 introduction to maulberry. I think this was an interesting simply because this plant seems 355 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:22.359 to have a lot of great properties for a realization. Yeah. So, 356 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.680 I mean, so my first introduction with maulburry again is with my grandparents, 357 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.359 my paternal my maternal grandparents. Sorry, they had a big maulberry tree when 358 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.039 they lived in Wallingford, and so I would climb this malberry tree and I 359 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.960 just would eat. I mean, I would just be covered in purple juice, 360 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.440 my finger stained purple, you know, and I would I'd try my 361 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.400 best to harvest baskets and they would let me set them out to sell. 362 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.039 And all my grandmother would tell me later, not at that time, but 363 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.039 as an adult she told me, you know, people just bought those because 364 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:56.319 to you know, because they felt bad for you. I wish my mom 365 00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:57.799 when she read that book read it in the book, She's like, did 366 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.759 she really say that? I'm like, oh, mo, and Mom, 367 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.720 you know my caller Mimi is my grandmother. She's still alive. I'm like, 368 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.440 you know, that's totally something she would say. But uh, but 369 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.319 I you know, later on, for my own children again on our farm, 370 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.039 that was maulberry was the berries that I was taking in the morning. 371 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.279 And for my kids, I saw the same thing with them. They would 372 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.119 be covered, their friends would come over and they'd be covered. Even kids 373 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.440 that didn't grow up in the wild area, they just were so fascinated that 374 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.440 they could eat a wild plant. And so maulberry is the plant that really 375 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.960 got me, really helped me during that really challenging time that I mentioned earlier, 376 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:44.279 and helped to give me solutions to different problems. Talk about this plant. 377 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.240 Seeing to you, you had to look at your relationship a little closer. 378 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:56.680 And because leaving your husband. I don't know if this happened or not. 379 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.759 You didn't get into the details, but that is a huge lifestyle change 380 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:07.440 and you have to be very very tuned in and aware of this being a 381 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:13.200 positive or a good suggestion. Yeah. Yeah, so it was actually it 382 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.640 wasn't actually Maulberry that that encouraged me to leave my Yes, I did leave 383 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:22.200 my ex husband. It was Mugwort. Yes, no, it's fine. 384 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.599 But I'll just say because Maulberry does lead in there. So one of the 385 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.640 lessons I got from Malberry in that was like really encouraged me. So we 386 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.319 would play this game and Maulberry would This was after I realized I could I 387 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.119 could listen talk with Maulberry. Maulberry would say like, so did you pick 388 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:38.519 all the berries? And I'd say yes, like I looked all over. 389 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.599 You know, of course I never picked the high ones, but I'm to 390 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:44.519 look over. I picked all the berries and they'd be like, okay, 391 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.400 now moved this way, and so I'd move that way and there's all these 392 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:52.759 other berries. And so Maulberry really taught me how to that the lesson I 393 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.319 think we all need to learn that we're limited by our perspectives and so we 394 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:02.079 have to look from different perspective to see a whole picture. So that was, 395 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.759 you know, the big lesson from Maubury. But for sure. With 396 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:12.599 Mugwort, mugg Wart was just helping me. Mug Wort similar to you know, 397 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:15.039 looking at it from a different perspective. Mugwort actually took me up to 398 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.720 a different dimension and really showed me that from where where we sit here, 399 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.079 we see a lot of conflict and we see we see the we like to 400 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.119 do, the whole black and white thing. You know, it's like you're 401 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.039 for this, you're against this, you're and we live in a world with 402 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:35.720 binaries, that's the term. And when she took me up to this other 403 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.680 place, I could see that all the binaries are all part of the same 404 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.680 point. You know, it's all the same, it's just how you approach 405 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:50.680 it. And so really having that helped me to not that I don't need 406 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.920 to continue to learn this lesson, but it did help me to like not 407 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.839 feel so antagonistic, you know, like, Okay, there's more than one 408 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.240 story here, and so let's try and try and see the bigger picture. 409 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.480 Yeah, I love how you describe, and I mean I'm ignorant to a 410 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:10.199 lot of the uses of these plants. Is the fact that mug works great 411 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:17.920 for dreams, and I wonder to make such an obviously you're you're not happy 412 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.760 in a relationship to the point where you want to dissolve it. It's a 413 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:28.440 big deal, you know, because you're divorcing, you have kids or whatever. 414 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.599 I don't know if you had kids at the time you were divorcing, 415 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:36.119 but it's a it's a lifestyle change. And here you are, mug Works 416 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.400 like, I think you better look at this a little closer. You're not 417 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.800 happy, and I mean, would you say that the planets were perceiving your 418 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:47.400 your despair and saying I mean, are you that sensitive to know? Hey, 419 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.800 mug work Bush, I don't know if you have names for hm or 420 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.800 not. I don't have names for my trees or bushes, but a billy 421 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.599 or whatever your name is. Uh, you're not happy about You're telling me 422 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.000 I'm not happy? What's going on? What I mean, how are you 423 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.360 perceiving that? I mean, is that weird or you're just so tuned in 424 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.960 it doesn't matter. So it wasn't so much of mug Wart saying, hey, 425 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:14.000 you're not happy. It was more that I would have these different experiences 426 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.559 with mug Wart and so what was preceding this is that I was having all 427 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:23.480 of these deep relationships with plants and recognizing that there is so much more to 428 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:30.400 plants into our world than than the superficial life that we live. And my 429 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.599 ex husband didn't believe me, so he didn't believe any of them. So 430 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:39.960 he was okay with me having the experiences, but then in once he came 431 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.519 home, then we had to switch back into what I would call the very 432 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.440 SMA. Yeah. So I was living a life, a split life, 433 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.000 and and I was able to do it for a really long time, but 434 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.760 he wasn't tuned in at all. Then he didn't get anything, no, 435 00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.239 and he was very numb. Yeah. Yeah, and he's you know, 436 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.400 he works in the world of finance. So so when I say superficial life, 437 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.199 I really do mean superficial life. Like I know exactly what you're talking 438 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:14.079 about. So so it just so it was just really challenging for me. 439 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:15.199 And as you said, like, so, yes, I did have kids, 440 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.400 I had a farm that like was my heart place. You know, 441 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.960 there was all this that I knew was going to have to shift, and 442 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.880 so it was really challenging. And but mug work just made it very clear 443 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.199 that I cannot continue to live the separate life. I need to really live 444 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.639 my truth and live in my fullness, and and that can't continue in the 445 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:39.760 situation that it is. So that's what Yeah, Okay, so you're laying 446 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:47.920 out blocks of consciousness in terms of how this is disrupting your natural flow. 447 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.480 I mean, I don't want you to get into the whole thing because it's 448 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.559 a long drawn out kind of a situation. You just don't leave somebody in 449 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.599 the you know, unless it's really, of course abusive. But would you 450 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:14.119 say that you were given some information on how to proceed with the relationship through 451 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.639 not necessarily at that moment, but throughout, for sure, throughout my separation, 452 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:23.519 throughout my divorce. The plants were supporting me. It was so it 453 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.559 was, it was wonderful. That's why. That's why for me, I'm 454 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:34.239 so passionate about this work because it's like we all have that support available to 455 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.039 us, so we just we cut ourselves off from it. And so many 456 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.960 of us, you know, feel so alone in this world and we just 457 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.719 feel like nobody gets us, and and we don't have a lot of resources 458 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.239 around us. But yet it's all around us and we don't have to It 459 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.320 doesn't cost like millions of dollars, you know, it's available. It's freely 460 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:58.440 available to us. You don't need to go to shaman school to right. 461 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:00.880 Right, it's not anything I mean, you know, this is how we 462 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.679 are meant to live. This is actually what we're supposed to do, is 463 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.280 be in direct communication with all of nature, not just plants. But I 464 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.760 start with plants because I find them to be easier for most people. So 465 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.400 yeah, so the plants supported me throughout all of it. So sometimes that 466 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:22.039 would look as an adding extra protection or helping me to feel stronger, or 467 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.360 like helping to take my grief and digest it, or to show me areas 468 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.440 where I needed to stretch myself or I needed to let go of things. 469 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:36.920 You're it's amazing how you're describing this. This is probably a matter of fact 470 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.639 for you. But I'm looking at you and going she's getting therapy. Oh 471 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:45.239 so getting therapy as she's going through this is so amazing to hear that I 472 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:47.199 was. And I also was seeing a human therapist at the same time. 473 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.880 But but my human therapist would often say to be like, why are you 474 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.679 here because she would give me like some insight, and then I'd be like, 475 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.280 Okay, I'm going to go and I'd go off with my plant ends 476 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.239 and we do the work and it would get cleared up and then it come 477 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.360 back. It's like, you don't need meet, but I did. You 478 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.960 know, I did need some human eyes on the on the issue as well, 479 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.519 to verify that you were having you were going through and clearing out the 480 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:16.239 trauma and trying to heal, because that's right, that's help identify. It's 481 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.840 really to help you identify what's like, what's going on here. So because 482 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.119 once we have it identified, then the plants are really able to just step 483 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:28.840 in and take care of That is so amazing. Let's do suggestion. Let's 484 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.079 do an exercise. There's a second I think it's the first or second chapter 485 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:36.679 at the end, it's called first meeting. Can we do something so our 486 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.559 listeners get a sense of how we first meet with a plant and how we 487 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:47.639 develop some form of communication. Sure. So, so I'm actually going to 488 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.159 do two exercises here because the first one I think is necessary first. And 489 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.239 so the first exercise is about getting into your heart coherence. So, like 490 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.280 I said, you know, we say it's heart based practices because we want 491 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.880 to start with our hearts. Because when we're in our heart intelligence, heart 492 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.920 coherence, heart center, however you refer to it. We're more receptive or 493 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.239 more creative, or more imaginative. We can see a broader picture. We 494 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.280 are not reactionary or less reactionary. You know, we're like the cortisol levels 495 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:23.119 drop, we're calmer. So so we always whenever we engage with plants as 496 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.840 much as possible, we want to come from this place so that we can 497 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:32.880 receive more information, more easily, and also more accurate information. It helps 498 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:38.960 to override a lot of our programs that can filter things out. So the 499 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:45.119 first step I say is to we'll close your eyes, you know, and 500 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:50.840 just say what you're grateful for, and and sometimes that can be challenging, 501 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.760 particularly we're really stressed out. So you know, we can always start with 502 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.239 the sky above. Of course, we're grateful for the plants and that beautiful 503 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:04.239 breath of life. We're grateful for our you have children, your children, 504 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.800 or for love, or for your chocolate maybe, or you know, your 505 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:13.239 favorite food or bodies that we can move in move with. So whatever you're 506 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.760 grateful for, you just want to say that until you feel a physiological shift. 507 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:25.679 HM. So for me, my physiological shift is my shoulders drop sometimes 508 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:31.519 pretty drastically means that you keep tension in your shoulders. Oh totally. Yeah. 509 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.039 Sometimes you'll see I'm like, you know, my shoulders are up Not 510 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.599 quite I'm being exaggerated, but they'll be up here sometimes, you know. 511 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:44.719 So they drop, I relax. My breathing slows, so our slow breathing 512 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:49.719 is a pretty common response. Usually our breath deepens down into our bellies. 513 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:54.719 Also for me, my hands start to feel really big, almost like I'm 514 00:41:54.719 --> 00:42:00.679 wearing Mickey Mouse gloves. And my feet can also feel really big, like 515 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.599 I'm wearing clown shoes. And sometimes I don't always feel a little bit. 516 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.800 Sometimes I will feel my heart opening, and so sometimes that feels just like 517 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:15.639 it's really like there's this expansive field in front of my heart. Other times 518 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:20.679 it can feel like I'm ripping, like like I'm ripping through all the cobwebs 519 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:22.519 on there or something. You know. Can actually be a little uncomfortable at 520 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:29.079 first, but so so the ideal is just to say what you're grateful for 521 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:31.440 until you feel a shift, and you want to get to know what that 522 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.760 shift is for you, because that's your cloth. Then that you're in heart 523 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:43.039 coherence. So after you have that down. Then we want to go see 524 00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.440 who is the plant that we're going to work with. And so we get 525 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:52.400 in our hearts space and we just invite, like if we say, well, 526 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.400 it depends on what you want. If you just want to meet your 527 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.119 plant, ally, I'd like to meet the plant who wants to work with 528 00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.880 me today or who is best for me to work with today. Other times, 529 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:06.760 if you have a particular issue going on in your life, like I'm 530 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.519 having relationship issue, so like who's a plant that can help support me in 531 00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:15.320 this issue? Or like a job I want to make a decision about a 532 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.159 job. Who can help me about this job? You know, if there's 533 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.599 a particular question, then have that in mind, and and then we just 534 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.599 see who who starts to show for us. And so in my classes, 535 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.599 it's people will go out and walk and they'll see Like oftentimes when people come 536 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.800 here, they already they don't know that they know who the plant is, 537 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.880 but they do. It's like you pull in and it's like a spotlight's on 538 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.679 a plant and you're like, oh my god, look at that gorgeous mullen 539 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.960 plant. And so when we say okay, go out to look for your 540 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:51.119 plant, everybody's like, well, everybody's going to want that Mullen plant, 541 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.800 but they don't. That Mullen plant was lit up for you. So yeah, 542 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:59.920 So that's you're walking out and you're meeting the plant. And I think 543 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.519 one of the keys for this is that they're that the plants want to be 544 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.920 in relationship to you. So that in itself is so healing for many of 545 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.440 my clients, that there's a plant that wants to be in relationship to you 546 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.639 and we're letting them draw us in rather describe that jen describe how they are 547 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.760 reaching out and wanting to connect with their human ally if you want to call 548 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.519 it an ally. Yeah. So just like I said, like that, 549 00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:30.480 we'll see a light shining on them other that's the signal or yeah, or 550 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.119 sometimes you'll see like a plant. It's almost like a plant's waving at you 551 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.239 and you're looking around and it's not windy, you know, there's not other 552 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:42.000 plants waving. This plant's waving at you, and so you go over and 553 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.679 we'll and we'll check him with our heart you know, again we're in our 554 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.360 heart space and we'll ask like, okay, are you calling me? And 555 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.559 sometimes the answers know like sometimes they don't want to work with you then, 556 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.320 but then if we look around us, maybe there's a smaller plant on the 557 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.760 ground and that's actually the plant who was who wants to work with you. 558 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.599 Other ways is that we pick It doesn't happen so much in my classes, 559 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.119 but in real life, is that we'll pay attention. When a plant showing 560 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.840 up in your life three times, then that's a sign that they want to 561 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.639 work with you. So it's like, well, one of the examples I 562 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.079 give in my book, and it's because I think it's such a drastic example 563 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.519 is one of my students is a nurse. Was a nurse and she was 564 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:29.440 going to the local conservatory for her lunch break and they had a big orchid 565 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.079 show. So she was just like surrounded by orchids and loving the orchids. 566 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:37.800 And she's walking back and it's it's in Pennsylvania in the middle of winter, 567 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.599 there's snow and ice on the ground, and there in the sidewalk in the 568 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.039 middle of a city is an orchid. Oh boy. She's like, you 569 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:49.559 know, somehow this orchid dropped from somewhere and there's like, whoa, there's 570 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.159 an orchid here, Like that's interesting. So she picked the orchid up, 571 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.239 continued to work, and when she got there here there was some lunch that 572 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.639 you know, somebody brought in lunch and so there's salad, and she went 573 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:06.840 to go get salad and there's edible orchids in the salad. So that's an 574 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.199 idea. That's an example of a plant showing up three times. And if 575 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:13.719 that happens, and that's them really saying, hey, I want to be 576 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.679 in relationship with you, or I have something to offer you, So let's 577 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:22.159 let's communicate here. I love that We're gonna take a short commercial break to 578 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.840 allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll be right back with my guests. 579 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:36.559 Jin Fry discussing her new book, Communicating with Plants. We'll be right 580 00:46:36.599 --> 00:47:13.840 back. I guess today is author Jin Fry, who has written a new 581 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:20.320 book called Communicating with Plants, Heart based Practices for Connecting with Plant Spirits. 582 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:25.400 This is a look at our allies, our plant and tree and bush allies 583 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:31.239 that have been with us since the beginning, and how to communicate with them. 584 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.920 I guess if you have if you're indoors and you don't have a yard 585 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.920 or something, you live in an apartment or a condo or something. It's 586 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.400 your indoor plants that you can work with, right absolutely. But really, 587 00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.280 even in the biggest cities, there are plants everywhere. I mean, like, 588 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:51.599 one of my favorite things to do now, granted our city is not 589 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.079 as big as like New York or San Francisco or something, but we have 590 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.639 a city here and one of my favorite things to do is to do an 591 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.440 urban plant walk. And we just do one block, one block, and 592 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.320 there everybody's like, oh my gosh. You know, there's so many plants 593 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.199 that grow up in the sidewalks. There's always trees on the in the sidewalk 594 00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:14.000 as well. There's usually parks nearby people. You know, there's plants all 595 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.239 over the place. We just have to in the cities. You have to 596 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:21.280 work to look for them. In the country, you know, they're it's 597 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.159 they're all over the place. But but they're absolutely available to us in the 598 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:29.079 cities. Okay, So say, uh, as an example, I go 599 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:34.159 hiking and there's this wonderful tree that at certain times of a year springtime flowers 600 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.480 and it's like it's it's so beautiful. It's been like it's been shaped with 601 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:43.480 the sculptures knife or something, and it's always perfectly shaped and I'm very attracted 602 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.679 to it, so I need to go up to it and sitting quietly and 603 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.360 what would you say? I mean, I think it's reaching out to me, 604 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.119 But is there another step I need to go and intuitively saying hey, 605 00:48:55.159 --> 00:49:00.119 how are your kind of thing? Or I would start with your heart? 606 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.639 You know, you heart, that's very important there, you know, so 607 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.400 give yourself some time there. Like usually in my class its it's like the 608 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.719 first meeting is usually about an hour long. You know, we want time 609 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.840 an hour long. Yeah, and and and I'll be honest, for most 610 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.639 people, that pushes the edges because we're so used to like, you know, 611 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:22.440 yeah, what time I got to get out of here exactly exactly, 612 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.599 so, but I try to give to encourage people to stay for a whole 613 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:30.360 hour and so, so, yeah, get into your heart space. I 614 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.480 always suggest introduce yourself first, so you know, like say hey, I'm 615 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.920 you know so and so, and I'd like to communicate with you, and 616 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.400 and then with plants. You know, another nice easy step first is breathing, 617 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.719 because we give we get our breath from them, you know, so 618 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.320 we can just sit there and just recognize that our breath is coming from the 619 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.239 plant, but also direct our outbreath to the plant. And then we can 620 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.559 switch it to so that as we're breathing in the plant's air, we're breathing 621 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:02.480 in their gratitude, and we're breathing out our gratitude to the plant, and 622 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.519 then breathing in their love and breathing out our love to the plant. And 623 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:14.639 as you're there, you're just really keenly observant to anything and everything, like 624 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.519 what are you sensing in your body? What are you noticing that's going on 625 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.480 around you? What are you noticing about the plant? Maybe there is a 626 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:27.679 particular color that really like draws your attention, or maybe there's a shape, 627 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.679 maybe a song pops into your head, like including like Rockabye Baby, you 628 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:37.400 know, like it. It could be really silly things come forward and we 629 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.800 just notice it all. We don't at this stage, we don't put any 630 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.559 judgment on anything. We don't put any discernment on anything. We just want 631 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.039 to notice it all and gather as much information as we can. And then 632 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:54.280 later we'll start putting meaning on things, and maybe some of those outlandish stuff 633 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:58.400 will toss and maybe some of them actually start to make sense to us. 634 00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:07.039 Would you say that the plant and tree beings that are we're working to communicate 635 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.199 with have a sense of who we are? In other words, are they 636 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:20.480 ancient souls spirits as you call plant spirits who understand the human condition? Mm? 637 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.039 I don't know that they understand the human condition. In fact, I 638 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:30.079 think that's one of the ways in which I mean, I think they understand 639 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:36.000 us as individuals pretty well and can see like areas that we're tripped getting tripped 640 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.119 up on, or areas that we need to grow, or like our potential 641 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:43.519 because they can see like they can see I would say anyways that they can 642 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:47.280 see our soul, like our our true essence. But as far when I 643 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.119 when I think about like understanding the human condition, they don't. They don't 644 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.039 work on the same time frame that we work. You know, they don't 645 00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:59.360 have they don't quite understand like the necessity of hey, we have to pay 646 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:04.440 our bills, like or even like we need this much sleep. And so 647 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:08.199 it's one of the things that as my particularly my students that do the healing 648 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.719 work, when we go deeper and deeper with the plants, sometimes we have 649 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:14.400 to let them know, like, hey, I understand you want me to 650 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.840 do this right now, but I also need this, like I also need 651 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:21.199 sleep, or I need to make enough money so I can pay my house, 652 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.039 or else I can't live here and be with you, you know, 653 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.920 So like sometimes we have to let them know those aspects of the human condition. 654 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.239 Yeah, amazing. Would you say that, and I mentioned this at 655 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:37.360 the very beginning, that plants are sentient, that there is some level of 656 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:45.639 consciousness that is because you know, we're we're from the earth. You know, 657 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:52.159 we're we're created here, we were birthed here, we die here, 658 00:52:53.000 --> 00:53:00.000 and so it seems like it would be I use the term symbiotic a connection. 659 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.280 But would you say that there is a consciousness that that we're working with? 660 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.800 Oh? Absolutely, yeah yeah, but I mean it's like okay, 661 00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:14.960 yeah, they're there like uh just to say hey, hi, ho whatever. 662 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.760 But what you're saying is like you're going to get a dictionary or you're 663 00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:22.880 gonna get a tome here. Uh? Insight? Is that what we're getting 664 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.719 after we have a connection or I mean, how much how much of a 665 00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:31.840 how much of a connection is it? Is it like bits and pieces or 666 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:37.159 is it like as much as you can let in if you know like all 667 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.599 things, it depends on your relationship. And you know, relationships take time 668 00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:46.320 and relationships take effort, and so so the first time that you sit with 669 00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:51.079 a plant, it is totally possible you might get some information that's just going 670 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:55.000 to knock you over, and then other times, you know, so like, 671 00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.960 so dandelion is one of the plants that I think of the most for 672 00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:00.960 this. Like, I've been working with Dandeline pretty much my whole life. 673 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.239 Now. Granted, you know, as a young child, I of course 674 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:08.320 wasn't realizing I was communicating with Dandeline, but even like I was working with 675 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:14.519 herbs before I started recognizing that I could communicate. So you know, I've 676 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:19.679 been working with Dandeline in many forms, and I continue to learn from Dandeline 677 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.760 and I continue to like just be like, oh wow, thanks Dandeline. 678 00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:28.480 So I always say, the plants give us the information that we most need 679 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.719 at that time. And so you know, part of it when I said 680 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:36.440 earlier about that we the evolution together, that as we evolve, we allow 681 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.639 the plants to evolve. So as we're healing, as we're growing, the 682 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:44.280 plants are able to give us other information because now we can understand it and 683 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.760 now we and it's what we need now. I love this. Have you 684 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.840 heard of the You've heard of the Akashic records, right, yeah, yeah. 685 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.440 This reminds me of almost like a natural Cashick record. You're connecting with 686 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:58.639 these plants and they're going, Okay, you're ready for this. I'm going 687 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.480 to give you some information. You know you've been we've been communicating for a 688 00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.159 week, a month, a year or whatever. Is that what it's like? 689 00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.480 Kind of like you get what you need at the time, not too 690 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:12.039 much, not too too little, just what's right or I mean, I 691 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:16.159 don't know, I could be I'm I'm if you're a fool, you know 692 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.400 you're talking about No, No, no, not at all. No, 693 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.159 I'm laughing because I'm having my own experience with the plants right now and I 694 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.719 want to say, yes, they absolutely like give you just what you need 695 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.800 at that time. And then I'm remembering times where I got too much information. 696 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:31.960 No, okay, I have to hit you up for that one now. 697 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.239 Okay. So it's like you asked, look, is this person somebody 698 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.679 I want to work with orda day? And they probably are you saying too 699 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.320 much information? Like they drilled down to the point where you're like, I 700 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.800 don't need to know that. No, no, no, no, it's 701 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:50.239 that's like human information. No, okay, it's more well, this isn't 702 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.360 with the plants necessarily that the example that's coming forward, But you know, 703 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.360 we're we have a sanctuary here that I work with the land spirits to create. 704 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.880 And once upon a time, like when I first got here, I 705 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:02.239 was just like, all right, show me what, show me what we 706 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:06.639 need to do here, and I got all these jobs at one time, 707 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.960 and I'm like and I was single at the time, and I'm like, 708 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:13.599 how am I going to do all of this? And so that was like 709 00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:17.360 an example where I got too much information And then later as I'm stressing out 710 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.400 and like overwhelmed, they're like, we didn't say you have to do that 711 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.360 all right now, We just showed it to you because really were insistent that 712 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:29.360 you wanted that information. But it's only you know, it's one thing at 713 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:34.440 a time. So yeah, I can't give you an exact example of a 714 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.119 plant right off the top of my head right now, but it's definitely happened 715 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.599 where it's just like I get and part of it's myself, like it was 716 00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:44.679 in that situation you know I'm a double air. So I'm like, give 717 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.840 it to me. Give it to me now, I either I'll take it 718 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:52.039 or I won't. In your right right, yeah, you're you're knocked unconscious 719 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:57.480 because it's so heavy. Right, Yeah, that's amazing. I'd like to 720 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.960 I'd like to experience that. I'm a writer as you are, and I'm 721 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:04.960 kind of going through a mental block right now. I need to get out 722 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:09.719 for a hike. Talk a little bit about a term you call energy hygiene, 723 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:15.119 and I like that term because I think that a lot of us who 724 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:21.000 sit on our fanny for hours a day and can't get up because of our 725 00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:28.199 job description fall into that that term. So talk about that. Yeah, 726 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.559 So I would just say it's all of us. It doesn't matter if you're 727 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:35.599 sitting down or running around. So you know, so we are energetic beings 728 00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.000 and we live in the sea of energy, so there's energy all around us. 729 00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:42.480 Like I don't know if you remember, but when COVID first came out, 730 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.719 like before we really had all the restrictions and stuff. I think it 731 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.880 was the New York Times, but I saw some other organizations also had articles 732 00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.360 of like if you could see the virus, you would be really scared. 733 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:58.519 And I'm like, if we could see what's around us at any momentute time, 734 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:01.559 whether that virus is around or we would be freaking scared. Like there's 735 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.559 just you know, and it's a good reason that we can't see at all, 736 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:08.519 but we just are surrounded by this you're talking about negative energy and just 737 00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:16.039 a heaviness peoplespression and the society and the bickering and all this cr ap. 738 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:21.239 Yeah, I mean like really, there's just there's so much energy around us, 739 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.840 whether we whether it's so called negative or beneficial, you know, there's 740 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.519 just a lot floating around us at all times. And it's great that we 741 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.599 can't see all of it because we would be so overwhelmed. But still it's 742 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:38.440 there. And unfortunately, with our society, the way our culture, the 743 00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:42.880 way it's set up right now, it's very hard to have strong or so 744 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:50.000 or or is the protective protective membrane maybe you would say that surrounds our energetic 745 00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:53.960 bodies, and that's what keeps energies that we don't want out. It's what 746 00:58:54.079 --> 00:59:00.280 allows you know, good energies in and so, but it's hard to have 747 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.800 a strong aura because of the ems, the you know, WiFi, the 748 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.639 like, everything that's around just also just the running constantly, not eating well 749 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:15.159 and so so then we all can be affected by this negative energies that are 750 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:20.719 around us. And then of course our culture, particularly I'm talking about in 751 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:25.079 the States, is really lately into the whole vitriol like just you know, 752 00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:28.960 we say it like, say it like it is, but really it's just 753 00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:32.679 let's be mean and vindictive and say nasty things that we would never say to 754 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.280 somebody that we actually like care about what's in their best interest. Are you 755 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:42.440 talking about the political divide and that whole issue. Of course you're in Pennsylvania, 756 00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:49.679 which is kind of the heart of the United States political side of things, 757 00:59:49.679 --> 00:59:52.599 so that can bring out a lot of beds bed I mean, yes, 758 00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:55.519 but I think political divide is only part of it. You know. 759 00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.719 There's just like I mean, we saw it with social media, right, 760 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:04.199 social media just encouraged people to be really nasty because they didn't have that face 761 01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.800 to face interaction that you wouldn't say this to somebody. So there's all of 762 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:14.199 that too that feeds this nasty energy and it's going around. And so the 763 01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.639 other issue with our culture is that we're not recognizing that we're impacted by this 764 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:22.840 energy, and so energy hygiene is the process of clearing it out, getting 765 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.679 it out of our auras, getting it out of our bodies. And we 766 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:30.960 all need this, Like you know, way back when we didn't recognize the 767 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:36.000 importance of physical hygiene. Now we generally do. We generally know that we 768 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.840 need to wash our hands, we want to brush our teeth, you know, 769 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:42.079 we want to shower like we want to we want to clean our bodies. 770 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.639 And I think it's going to be the same thing with energy hygiene as 771 01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.840 well. That I hope. Anyways, at some point it will become more 772 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.000 common that we're going to recognize that we need to clear our energetic bodies. 773 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:59.360 We are more than just these physical bodies. We have other levels, and 774 01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:02.000 these energies can come in and if we're not clearing them, they can have 775 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:07.840 really serious impacts on our lives, including like disease, illness, but also 776 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:14.000 anxiety. Like I find my clients with high anxiety. Most of them have 777 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.639 too much energy in their auras that it's it's just too much going on. 778 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.320 It's like all these TVs are playing at the same time, and get it 779 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:27.119 cleaned out. Yeah, talk a little bit about somebody who lives in the 780 01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:32.519 city how they would do a hygienic cleaning. I mean, I think meditation 781 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:37.320 is a big one simply because you quiet the brain and you can maybe reach 782 01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:44.960 into the higher levels for healing. But any suggestions for oh sure, you 783 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.079 know. So one of the great things about nature is that whenever there's a 784 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:52.320 need, nature provides so many options. So, you know, one of 785 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:54.480 the easiest ways, and one of the most common ways that we're seeing it 786 01:01:54.559 --> 01:02:00.440 is through smudging or burning up plant materials. Yeah. So the one I 787 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.599 talk the one I use work with the most in my life and that I 788 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:07.519 talk about in the book is with mugwort, right, And I like mug 789 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.960 wart because mugwort is a where I live. On the East coast. West 790 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.920 coast, you have a native version of mug wart two, which is wonderful. 791 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.639 But on the East coast, the mugwort that grows here Artemi chabel garris 792 01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:23.079 isn't actually native, and they're so prolific, they grow so easily, so 793 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:28.599 we can harvest quite a lot. And whereas many of the other herbs that 794 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.000 we traditionally think of is in smudging, such as white sage or poly santo. 795 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:37.840 They're more endangered and we need to protect them more so. So yes, 796 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.599 so smudging burning of plant material to clean our aura. That's one of 797 01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:46.480 the easiest ways. I mean, yes, in a city you might have 798 01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:51.159 to be a little bit more cautious about this, depending where you go. 799 01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.960 But also we can harvest some plants and I say a little prayer as we're 800 01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:00.880 harvesting the plants, and so we take them and we create what's called basically 801 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:01.960 it's like a broom. It's a bundle of the plants, and we just 802 01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:06.960 brush our bodies with the plants and then when we're done, we give them 803 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.639 to a tree or to running water. Yeah. I love that. The 804 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:17.440 book's called Communicating with Plants, Heart based Practices for Connecting with Plants spirits. 805 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:23.679 My guest today has been Gin Fry. Talk a little bit about psychotropics, 806 01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:30.440 because I wrote a book on cannabis a couple of years ago, and I 807 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:37.360 think it's one of these plants that's unfortunately being abused and people are using it 808 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.119 too much. I don't think our ancestors used it every day. They used 809 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:45.559 it more ceremonially. What's you're feeling on psychotropics? You talk a little bit 810 01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:50.920 about it in the book, but I want to hear what some thoughts are. 811 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.519 Yeah. Absolutely, So, you know, whenever I talk about communicating 812 01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:57.920 with plants, people automadly think that's what I'm talking about, that I'm talking 813 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:03.239 about ingesting psychotropics psychedelics, and then we have like this really vivid experience and 814 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:09.920 and actually we don't have to ingest anything to be able to communicate with plants, 815 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:14.840 and I still like, without ingesting any part of it, I still 816 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:19.159 have really incredible experiences with them where I, like I shared with Mugwart, 817 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:26.840 you know, I went to another dimension, like so, yeah, I'm 818 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:31.480 gonna keep that one. But so anyw, So no, I'm absolutely not 819 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:39.320 talking about digest or ingesting anything with psychotropics. So I always get the caveat 820 01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.599 that there is a serious addiction in my family. So I you know, 821 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.800 my father is now in recovery, but he was an alcoholic. So as 822 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.840 a young, very young young age, I knew all about addiction and and 823 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:55.880 I was really cautious then because I knew I had the gene and I could 824 01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:00.519 become addicted as well. And so so psychotropics is not an area that I 825 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.480 ever, like really went deep into Meanwhile, I have all these friends and 826 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:08.159 all these people who think, like when Michael Pollan's book came out, everybody's 827 01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:10.760 calling me asking me where they can get mushrooms, and I'm like, oh, 828 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:19.480 god, your backyard. But but I you know, I think again, 829 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:23.199 like again, there's all the science coming out, Like I mean, 830 01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:26.320 they're plants. I don't have any issues with them, but like you said, 831 01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.760 it's about how we work with them. And I think I think that's 832 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.559 true when we work with any plant, that it's always about our intention is 833 01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:38.960 absolutely important, and it goes back to that amnesiac thing that we have this 834 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:44.400 tendency of wanting to consume everything and wanting to use everything, and that is, 835 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:46.840 by all means the basis of capitalism. You know, it's what the 836 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:53.039 system that we all live into exactly, and no matter how hard we try, 837 01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:58.039 we can't fully extract that out of us. We can try, we're 838 01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.719 trying to shift things, we're trying to look at it differently, but we 839 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.840 all will go back to that. So I think it's an issue with any 840 01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:09.639 plant, but with psychotropics, and maybe that is one of their great gifts, 841 01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:13.000 is that we definitely have to be in our integrity when we're working with 842 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.639 them, right, And just like you said, there is I think quite 843 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.679 a bit of abuse. And it doesn't necessarily mean that it has to look 844 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:25.719 like addiction. It also can just be that we're looking at them to be 845 01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:30.360 that magic pill, and so we just go to them rather than doing our 846 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.039 own work. That's a good point. Yeah, especially when it comes to 847 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:39.880 CBD. You're seeing thousands and thousands of gummies for healing this and healing that, 848 01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:45.480 and there's I mean, because cannabis was illegal for so many years, 849 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:50.000 we're just now getting back into the research. It's a very powerful tool for 850 01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:57.119 healing. And are you saying that you haven't really used or smoked cannabis or 851 01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:00.920 is it just the fact that you're already so fine tune. You can get 852 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:06.599 high just walking in nature. So yes, I can get high walking in 853 01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:12.760 nature, but also just some you know. Like so one of the exercises 854 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.920 in my book is journeying with the plant spirit, right, So I've worked 855 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.599 with journeying a lot, and those journeys, I mean I can go explore 856 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:24.400 all kinds of places that I don't need to ingest anything. So the thing 857 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:27.320 all right, So the thing I wasn't going to share is that my children 858 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.840 have done experimentations and sometimes they'd be like, yeah, well mom, I 859 01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:32.159 got to go experience this place. And I was like, oh, yeah, 860 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:35.039 I know exactly where you're talking about. I've been there too, but 861 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:38.719 I did it in a journey. And they're like what, And I would 862 01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:42.480 give them some more information. They're like, that is where I was so 863 01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:46.239 funny. So you're doing your own vision vision quest and you're going you don't 864 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:48.880 need to do that, you can do it this way. Well, you're 865 01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:53.880 just advanced gin. You're just a No, I'm not. It's what it's 866 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:57.039 that's what's open to all of us. Like this journeying bit. You know, 867 01:07:57.039 --> 01:07:59.960 it's a fift We're talking fifteen minutes. That's it. It's a fifteen 868 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:05.039 minute process. And we all can have access to this information. And I 869 01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:09.880 think that's important to know that we And again I don't want to put down 870 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:13.239 because these psychotropic plants are beautiful, Like I have san Pedro growing right in 871 01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:15.920 front of me and I'm waiting there's a little bud that I'm waiting for the 872 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.319 blossom to open, you know. So and I work with the spirit of 873 01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:23.920 ayahuasca and my healing practice almost oh my god. But I'm not ingesting the 874 01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:27.479 plan. I'm working with the plant spirit. I'm happy to hear that because 875 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:32.640 I have a number of authors who are actually consuming ayahuasca on a yearly basis 876 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:36.680 or annual basis, and I just I just have a fear of going to 877 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:41.880 that side of things because it's you lose control and you're just like taken to 878 01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:47.199 the dimensions that are like pretty pretty challenging, right, and again, it 879 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:51.399 depends on the intention and how the ceremony is set up and my teacher, 880 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.920 my teacher, well i'll leave her out of it, but my teacher's tradition 881 01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:00.119 where where she is in Ecuador, then I want you to They don't want 882 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:04.000 the whole puking andcouraging thing. It's not that intensive an experience. It's more 883 01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:10.159 about focused on the love and the connection to all and the healing that that 884 01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:14.399 brings in for you as well. So it's really about your intention. And 885 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.159 she would say, you know, she's very strict about it. Actually that 886 01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:21.720 from the American standpoint, we do tend to be like let's I want my 887 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:24.960 patch again or I want my badge again, Like oh, I just did 888 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:29.159 another ceremony. I did another ceremony. I collect the badges and she's like 889 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:33.079 absolutely not Like she's like, it's really you should only be going to this 890 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:38.279 plant in ceremony in that case, not working with the plant spirit, but 891 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:42.920 in ceremony a few times in your lifetime. Like yeah, it's pretty intense. 892 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.640 Yeah, And it's just like and when you're there, you've got to 893 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:47.720 be really clear, why are you going to there if you're just going there 894 01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.640 to say that I did the ceremony or to heal all of your issues that 895 01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:57.079 you're not wanting to like look at yourself. It's not fair to the plant. 896 01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:00.399 Yeah, I'm sorry. Have you been down at Ecuador? So you 897 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:04.720 joined in one of these ceremony? Oh, I didn't go for ayahuasca non 898 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:09.119 study, So okay, I'll say her name because I mentioned her in the 899 01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:12.279 book. So one of my teachers were Ceo Alacan, and she's an Ecuadorian 900 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:16.800 Corndero Corndera, and so I want to study with her. I had been 901 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:21.720 studying with her up here, and I had learned a process called Oglympia that's 902 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:27.920 another form of energy hygiene. And she has a center in the Amazon. 903 01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:31.720 So I actually almost didn't go because I did not want to experience ayahuasca. 904 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:36.000 I have my own reasons for it. But bub we did get to have 905 01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:41.279 a very sweet, very loving, very gentle In fact, when I came 906 01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:44.720 out of that experience, I was like, oh my gosh, I see 907 01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:48.119 more vivid things in my waking life than I do. Did she prepare a 908 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:53.039 brew that you consumed? She did not, But there is a There is 909 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.359 an Aawascan shaman who has since left this world. He was like in his 910 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.520 late nineties when we worked with him, he was the sweetest man. Also, 911 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:04.880 you actually who did a ceremony? Wonderful? Yeah? Right, okay, 912 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.479 good. I feel vindicted, not vindictive, but I feel like I've 913 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:15.079 been shown that you. Yeah, it's interesting. Uh, this is fantastic. 914 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:20.600 We could speak for another hour on this fantastic book. Uh. Something 915 01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:28.960 that everyone listening should check out. How should people read your book? How 916 01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:33.840 should they consume the data? What you know? Obviously it's not for everybody, 917 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:38.520 but I would say that we all have to kind of focus on the 918 01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:43.000 natural world. This is a good starting pointment. What are your suggestions for 919 01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.600 the new reader? So that's a challenging question to ask me because I'm a 920 01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:53.079 very much front to back reader. But you go through it and yeah, 921 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:56.000 start to finish. Okay, it doesn't matter like I you know, that's 922 01:11:56.039 --> 01:12:00.479 just me. But actually for the book, there there are just an option. 923 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.279 So the book is written that each chapter there are sixteen plants, and 924 01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:09.319 so each chapter is about a plant, and then there's an exercise that goes 925 01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:13.119 along with some of the lessons from the plant. So so you can read 926 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.840 it, just read the lessons that the plants gave you, not do any 927 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:19.560 of the exercises, or you can also use this as a guidebook, and 928 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:25.199 so in that way, I always suggest that you start with the first two 929 01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:30.279 exercises, so it's the the heart exercise and then finding the plant, and 930 01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.279 then from there you can you can dance around the exercises. They don't have 931 01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.600 to go in the order that I wrote them, and you know, so 932 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.279 yeah, read it however you want to. Fantastic, Hey, Jen, 933 01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.199 real pleasure. Let's get some information to those who want to know more about 934 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:53.279 you. Where's your website. It's Bridget'sway dot com and I spell bridget brig 935 01:12:54.159 --> 01:13:00.640 IDs Way, oh right, and this is the organization that you you you've 936 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:05.199 also no that's so so yes, I've just stepped down from the board. 937 01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:08.760 Actually, oh, so you're not doing that anymore? No, but I 938 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:11.239 was. I mean, I still love the organization. I was on the 939 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.600 Organization of Nature Evolutionaries for like I said, ten years. It's our tenth 940 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.279 anniversary. So wow, amazing. Okay, you have a YouTube channel, 941 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:23.920 talk about that is what. Let me see here? Can they find it 942 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.079 under your name? Jeno? Find it under I think it's maybe under Jen 943 01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:30.520 Fry, but definitely under Bridget's way. You can find it. You can 944 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:35.039 find it from my website and there I have some videos of the plants singing 945 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:39.520 and some other videos. Wow. And you have a Facebook and you have 946 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.439 an Instagram. Okay, sure they can get that from your website. So 947 01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:46.000 fantastic. You're you're locked in the social media, which is fantastic. Great 948 01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:51.960 Jen, real pleasure having you on the program, and I really appreciate your 949 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:57.720 insight. Well, thank you clip. This has been a very interesting interview. 950 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:05.960 All right, much success, take care. One of the things I 951 01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:10.840 wanted to ask Jen is we kind of ran out of time, but you 952 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:16.319 know, gaining inspiration from being in nature but also working with your plant and 953 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:24.800 tree allies plant spirits, tree spirits to develop inspiration, because I mean, 954 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:31.199 if you work a lot and you're not getting the feedback from your human counterparts, 955 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.319 your relationships, it can become depressing. It's like what is it all 956 01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:41.359 worth? What's going on? You feel down? And I have found that 957 01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:45.560 if first of all, going for a walk in nature without your cell phone 958 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:53.840 is huge, The benefits are immeasurable. It's like you're gonna get a good 959 01:14:54.720 --> 01:15:01.039 dose of what you're made of. It's your essence nature. You're a part 960 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:05.479 of nature, so it's your nature essence. But I also think if you're 961 01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:12.399 dealing with the problem you know, at work, at home, personally, 962 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.319 whatever, when you walk out in nature, you can actually solve it. 963 01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.079 I'm almost I mean, I am very aware of this, having done this 964 01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:25.920 many times when I'm writing a chapter and I'm stuck on something and I kind 965 01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:27.720 of like, oh, what can I do? What do I need to 966 01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:31.279 do? How do I navigate this issue? When I go for a hike, 967 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:38.039 I feel clear, And a lot of times I'd say ninety plus percent 968 01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:44.600 is the answer. The creative influence, or as we like to say, 969 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:51.239 the muse, the harmonics. The creative muse comes through and it's like gifts 970 01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:56.920 you with a little bit of creativity. I need more of that right now. 971 01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:01.199 I should have mentioned in the middle of writing this book, and it's 972 01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:04.039 it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, and it takes 973 01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:08.039 up a lot of time, and it's it's some days it flows, some 974 01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:14.760 days it's to challenge, but it's all worth it. So anyhow, walking 975 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.000 in Nature, I really suggest getting her book, and she does have a 976 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:24.199 couple of videos communicating with Plants. It just came out a couple of months 977 01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:31.920 ago, three hundred plus pages and tons of good reference and practical advice and 978 01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:41.600 lessons for accessing the creative mind to communicate with plants. So good to have 979 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:46.319 her on the program. And we got Tours Earth Ancients, Destiny Earth Ancients 980 01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:55.399 Special Edition. The archives all combine to promote and suggest that you come with 981 01:16:55.520 --> 01:17:01.039 us on tours Mexico. You heard Ed last week. He's mentioning get one 982 01:17:01.119 --> 01:17:05.000 or two spots left. We could probably do three. But if you're want 983 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:11.399 to join us in Mexico, Ed's leading the tour. We land in Mexico 984 01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:15.239 City and then you take a jumper jet into Villa Harmosa's a couple of miles 985 01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:21.199 a couple of hours away. We next day we go to Lavento, which 986 01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:25.920 is one of the strongholds, one of the great cities of the Olmec. 987 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:32.159 And then there's this outdoor megalithic museum that is fabulous, huge altars, huge 988 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.239 stone carving, statues, so forth and so on. One of the real 989 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:42.680 joys of that tours is seeing that museum. We get at a bus and 990 01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:48.840 go to a couple of miles a couple of hours drive to Chiapis to see 991 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:56.800 Polank. And Polank is one of these amazing Mayan cities partially excavated. But 992 01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:02.720 remember Ed was one of the only to survey it a couple decades ago, 993 01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:06.600 and he knows that place forward and backwards, so we're gonna see it from 994 01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:10.279 his point of view. Will be there a couple of days, which is 995 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:14.239 great. Then we go to Bottom Peck and some other locations. This is 996 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:18.000 a short tour November tenth to the seventeenth. It is a blast. For 997 01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:24.239 more information on any of our tours, go to Earth Ancients dot com forward 998 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:29.239 slash Tours t O U R S. I want to quickly mention we have 999 01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:33.800 our Egypt tour that's confirmed now where Jesus, we're almost three corps is full. 1000 01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:40.880 That is April twenty eight through May nine with Muhammad Imbrium. If you 1001 01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:45.840 have any questions whatsoever, email me at Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot 1002 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:50.560 com and I'll get back to you. Egypt is a fascinating tour. And 1003 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:56.239 then we're doing for the first time ever, we're doing Turkey, landing an 1004 01:18:56.319 --> 01:19:00.640 Istanbul and doing a twelve day tour there. That's going to be mid August. 1005 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:04.119 I'm about to launch that itinerary and we'll have more information about it, 1006 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:10.920 including a brief from Muhammad that you can listen to. I'm really excited about 1007 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:15.239 that because let's go back the Teppi, Carahan Teppi and the Sacred underground city 1008 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.720 of darren Kudu. Those are three days, three different locations, but we 1009 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:25.840 are going to see a ton of stuff each day. Our tours are amazing. 1010 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:31.239 More information, more details or ath Ancients dot com forward slash tours. 1011 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:36.560 Right. That's it for this program, and I think my guest today, 1012 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:41.399 Jen Fry, and her new book Communicating with Plants, coming to us from 1013 01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:47.159 Philadelphia. As always, the team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster and everyone 1014 01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:53.279 who makes this thing happen. You guys rock You really do all right. 1015 01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:55.880 Take care of me, will and we will talk to you next time.