It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this. Welcome to the Game
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Jeff Grubb and with me is Mike Manatti. Could you tell how close I
was to say my name was Mike Manatti that time? I did not tell
that the real close, really really close. Mike. How's it go?
Wait? Today's episode a podcast about a podcast. All right, Mike,
how are you doing? Ah? Yeah, I'm doing great. Yeah.
We got a long weekend coming up here very soon. Yeah, I know
I'm going to be spending it. I could Megan man three Robot Masters shirt
that I'm very excited about. Uh yeah, everything's Everything's great, nothing's wrong.
I'm just going pretty good. Tell you what that? Hey, you
never have to think for yourself. If you've been listening to our podcast and
like Games Mornings for the last two weeks, you basically already know everything that
they said in that Xbox thing where it was like all of their thinking,
all their reasoning, like we went over it back and forth, and it's
all the stuff they've been saying for years. But boy, did they just
lay it out there like, yeah, hey, console isn't growing, and
we would either charge you more money for everything or find other ways to do
it. And that explains all the things that we're doing. It's just the
conversation we've been having here for a long time. So yeah, we'll get
into all of that here pretty soon. But yeah, Mike, I'm also
looking forward to the long weekend, still playing a lot of games. I
am like making the conscious choice here to take Billatro and put it over there,
so then I don't only play that because that could be a real problem.
Yeah, I get start Pilotro. I did one run like mytor w
be sweet and I get it very fun. It's just it's it makes a
lot of sense. It's very fun, and they they don't beat around the
bush. The tutorial itself itself is not even very long. It's like they
do it at a certain point like no, you get it, just go
it's basically the game. It seems like right, yeah, exactly, and
then you just go. It's great. I like games with our Conic cards.
I'm learning playing that and then playing Persona like in real life. I
hate that shit because people seem to actually believe it and I get mad.
But in video games where it's just all flavor, yeah that's fun, that's
good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, So playing a lot of games this weekend.
Got to play some review games for sure, but try to get a
little bit further and like a dragon as well. I'm also I was like
thinking about the Switch a lot because I did put Bilatra on there, and
like, man, i think I'm ready to like go back and play some
of these older Switch games I played before and like have a good time with
the system because I feel like I'm wrapping up, wrapping up our time with
it, and I'm like, I'm ready to be nostalgic about it. It's
where that we're there. It's very fir that we're there, I guess.
I mean, the Switch has been around so long now, it's been such
a dominant force in the way I've been playing video games. I'm close there,
Jeff. I think I'm gonna feel more like that once we really do
hear about the Switch to and I really do feel like, yeah, there's
not gonna be any more like Giant games like Princess Peach might be the last
really big original game. Maybe there'll be these remasters and ports, and I'm
looking forward to some of those a lot, like thousand year Door. But
yeah, I get what you're saying. I did also, I was like
going through some old like contacts and sources where I was like, where where
did I get? Like why was I so kind of like Metroid? Probably
this year? And it was someone miching like, well, because I found
it, and it was a source that actually got a lot of other stuff,
right, And we'll still see about this that and this stuff could have
changed. Obviously it's Nintendo, we'll talk about that too. I guess they
mentioned, hey that they're trying to get something put together for a big Metroid
marketing campaign that probably would drop around May of twenty twenty four, and I'm
like, oh, okay, well there you go. So hey, that's
probably not going to pan out necessarily because this is this new This little tidbit
I got is very old now and things have probably changed since then. But
bank that seems yes, Yeah, then well thanks to I mean, we
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on YouTube. That's good too. All right, Mike, big news this
week, big news today. Are you ready to get into it. Let's
do it. Let's actually start with the with the direct stuff. Yeah,
just real quick, because it's like, uh, I heard earlier this week,
like I said on nintend Dogs, that it would maybe get moved around.
It was something they were at least discussing. I don't know what they
ever ended up deciding. It seems like maybe they moved around, but who
knows. I never knew the date of when this direct would happen. I
only ever heard last month it would happen sometime in the middle of February.
It feels like, hey, we're dead in the middle of February. Maybe
it should happen right now. It didn't, And then that kind of lines
up with them maybe wanting to get out of the way this Xbox thing for
whatever reason. I don't know, but it's Nintendo. They change things all
the time. We'll see, I mean, listen, I continue to hear
like oh there's stuff. There's a direct and there's stuff in it, and
like some of those games are probably at least one of those Microsoft games maybe,
I mean, we'll see, yeah, come on, Like, of
course it's not guaranteed, not guarante at least one or two of those Microsoft
games are here. That's why they didn't name them, right, right,
because it's going to get announced in something very soon, right because the Tendo
gets to announce it. Like that's why that deal has already. I don't
mean to immediately go through the Xboxing instead, but I was surprised, a
surprise or upset, like why won't you just say what the games are like?
Because they probably can't. Yeah, I mean even in place, even
if they could. It's like this is like this podcast got moved up,
like this was a conversation they were planning to have later. They're they're having
it now. So it's like they're they're trying to explain something to you and
that's not too like, oh, we're going to disrupt everything. They basically
did tell us what those games were as well. So the Xbox podcast came
out the Business Update. It was twenty three ish minutes. The first half
was about Hey, all these people are freaking out about this thing. We
should address which games are going over to other other platforms. They said there's
gonna be four games and that's it. I don't know if they use the
term for it for now, but they basically made it sound like this is
this is what four games for now. There's four games are definitely happening,
yes, right, they but they didn't say what those games were, as
Mike said, but they were like two like older games and two live service
games basically and everything. They're like two like more like social games, two
games that are like smaller things that have kind of an a potential audience on
Xbox. Both of them are all like over a year old. I mean,
yeah, you don't have to be nostradamis here. It's it's Hi Fi
Rush Pediment, Grounded and See of Thieves, right, yep, it's it's
those four games. Yeah, absolutely, and uh, I mean this lines
up with a lot of stuff we had been We had been hearing from a
variety of sources. I had heard about C of Thieves and here it is.
And then they clarified that Starfield would not be coming an Indiana, Jones
would not be coming. Here's what they said. What they said was Starfield,
India Jones. Aren't those one of those four games? Good point,
you're right, you're right, And it's like those things could also change in
the future. They did also say like everything is on the table, like
they're willing to consider everything. It's kind of how they basically said it.
And then but that doesn't mean that everything is coming. At the same time,
they're like, not everything is going to go to these other platforms.
What we have here is kind of like a pretty similar situation to what we
had before. A lot of games from Microsoft are on Xbox for quite some
time, and every once in a while one of those games sneaks over to
the other platforms. Now, the reason behind all this, they said that
as well, we've talked about at the top of the show. They are
looking to grow their audience because they don't want to just go and like,
hey, we have this smaller audience in Xbox, let's just find new ways
to charge them money. Instead, let's try to grow our audience in different
ways. And I think they're also like working backward from the world has changed.
They said this in this podcast as well, where hey, there was
a time where the biggest fish in the pond was the console itself. It
was everything serves the console because the console is bigger than any one game.
And now they've had for years now like Roadblocks on there, which has a
business of its own that is bigger than the Xbox, and they have Minecraft,
which is bigger than all the consoles put together. And they see Call
of Duty now in Fortnite, these things that are platforms unto themselves. And
at a certain point it becomes a little absurd to continue pretending that the console
is the biggest thing and not these big games. And so I think that
like that has changed their thinking and we're seeing all these that manifest in these
new strategies a little bit. But at the end of the day, this
isn't like some huge shift. It's a continue evolution of what they've been doing
for a long time. It is. It's a big step forward, though,
right, you know, I don't want it to be like, oh,
they did this before, we had you know what they've been saying for
years though, Yeah, and you know those were a while ago. It's
been all the time, and these are going to be like four games,
uh, you know, and these games aren't interesting. It was. It
was very interesting how they're kind of walking a tightrope here of being like,
hey, like these four games are old, there's like really good reasons why
we're doing this, and there are, and yet there'll still be like,
by the way, like ten years from now, what do you guys think
is going to happen? Yeah? Right, yeah, I mean, are
still preparing us some day for something like years of war or hail or you
know, everything being everywhere. Yeah, I mean definitely, they see the
write in on the wall. They know things are going to continue to change
drastically, and they're yeah, they're they're the tipping, the dipping, the
toe in because they know the way that the wind is blowing and they've been
moving in this direction for a while. This is just the latest manifestation of
that, I think. And they said they're going to be said, they're
going to see how these games do. You see how these games do?
And I bet I bet that leads them to doing it with more games.
Big surprise. Some other things, I mean, they said, like no
fundamental change to exclusivity. I think that means for the most part, most
of these games going forward are going to be exclusive to Xbox for some time,
maybe not three years, but at least for some time. And like,
if you want to play an Xbox game as quickly as possible, you're
either going to get it on PC or Xbox. Uh. They mentioned that
there's thirty four million game passes scribers. That does include the game pass core,
which previously was Xbox Live Gold. Now is that number bad or good
or because I pretty see it's pretty low. I think if it's pretty low,
it includes the people who were on Xbox Live Gold before. What why
like, why aren't more people getting game pass I guess I mean there's only
some like like based on the take two numbers about how many you know consoles
around the world from the Xbox Series X and S and PlayStation five generation.
Uh, there's about twenty five to twenty seven million excuse me, Xbox Series
x's and S is in the world. People could still use a game pass
on PC and Xbox one. How many people are still playing on Xbox One
keeping a subscription? Probably not that many. And then on PC it's like
people are just on Steam. So yeah, it's growing double digit. They
said there's double digit growth in cloud and on PC, but it's a much
smaller pool, so it's easier to get that double digit growth. I just
think it comes down to the people that would take advantage of it on console
have it, and that is a limited number. And they were pretty clear
like don't expect game Pass to be on these other platforms like PlayStation and yeah,
they said, that's not going to happen. Yeah, that's not going
to happen. Like the fact they kind of left out it up as a
reason for why, like Xbox consoles are still special in have inherent value.
Yep. Absolutely, Yeah, So that number is not it doesn't seem great,
but I think it's I think it speaks to again what they're saying,
like these things have reached their limit in many ways. And then then they
talked about overall the industry, like the industry is not growing in terms of
the console gaming and and the the industry that they put games out into,
Uh, it is stagnant year over year, at least this year. And
he mentioned that a MD said that they expect to sell fewer AMD powered consoles
this fiscal year, and that's his way of saying, this is happening over
on PlayStation as well. That's that's that's how he couched that language. But
that's what exactly what he's trying to say. The PlayStation confirmed as much exactly,
So it's like he like he's like trying to say, hey, these
are I have diagnosed the problem in the industry that everyone knows is happening.
How do of course this is going to affect how we treat like our are
like how we're going to put out games, and so here we are.
I do think it probably gets still a point where, yeah, when they're
when they're like ready to bring back Gears of War, why wouldn't they just
go all out put a Gears and War collection on on the switch to PlayStation
and then the new Gears is exclusive to Xbox for some years. Yeah,
you're right exactly. I don't think we're going to see like Gear six lunch
Day and Date on PlayStation five along with the Xbox version. I mean you
still see here how tepid they are about that perception. They even kind of
said, like, hey, these games that come to like multiplatforms, I've
hit the exact wording. There's almost like those aren't really Xbox game. Yeah
they should, like we don't associate them with like being Xbox I mean,
I mean, listen, I think See If Thieves is like I associate See
if These with Xbox. That's like the kind of thing where I know a
lot of people just play a lot of that and they're like all in on
their Xbox and a lot of Xbox dudes are like, yeah, I play
see these constantly. So I think I went's a little weird. Is that
their way of saying it's not Halo Gears of War fortsa yet it is.
They're definitely saying that, Yes. I think it's also saying like, hey,
there are some big games that we are investing in going forward that we
are putting a lot of time into. That's Starfield and Indiana Jones things like
that. But I mean, I get them trying to create that delineation,
but it's not, Yeah, it's weird. It was a strange thing to
say. Now they are doing this podcast to reassure people. One of the
things you could do to reassure people is to confirm that you are in the
hardware business to stay, and they did as much. They said, hey,
not only are we going to have something to announce this holiday in terms
of something new when it comes to hardware, but we are going to do
another piece of hardware that will be the biggest technological leap you've ever seen.
Next jend announcement. Let's go yes, Next GRA announcement, which is I
mean, listen, maybe they'll surprise me, but gotta be a lie,
Like what are you talking about? Guys? The Diminians already here in such
a hard way, like what are we talking? I mean, listen,
it might have so many like bells and whistles in terms of features that make
games like just really perform better than they ever have, and that's what they're
talking about. Like I could see like, oh, we have our own
DLSS, we have our own frame generation and all this stuff is going to
be in there and we can't wait to show it to you. In machine
learning, the games are still going to look pretty much the same. Yeah,
I mean, look like I have a feeling no matter what, I'm
still going to be choosing somehow between a thirty FPS and a sixty FS.
Yeah, Like I mean, look, it's like the marketing speak. I
get it, but look like I was there gandall. I remember when we
went from like Super Nintendo to PlayStation and stuff like that. Like no,
there's just actually, no way unless you start giving me a Halo deck.
There's actually no way you could do a jump that is like that. Again,
what are we talking about. Yeah, at the very least, what
they are likely saying that is true is that they are going to try to
have the most powerful console again. Now that's something that they've done recently with
the Xbox One X and that that was more powerful and that was pretty good.
They tried to do that with the Xbox Series X and that has just
not really worked out because people are treating the PS five as the lead platform.
The PS five is really good hardware, and so a lot of people
are finding ways to take advantage of that. So when you go to the
Digital Foundry breakdown, yeah, sometimes the Xbox game runs better, but a
lot of the time, a lot of times it's just like, oh,
it's yeah, the PS five is just handling this better. Seems like it
got more love from the devs. Do you think, yeah, Microsoft,
this baby saying hey, we you know, here's where our numbers are.
But the people like Xbox, they really like Xbox. Maybe we get away.
Maybe we're the ones you make like the eight hundred dollars console and its
whole thing is that, Yeah, it's more expensive than the PlayStation, but
it is just better. We'll go back to like old three d oh times.
Right, you're gonna make the watern three d oh in a way.
I mean, that's like not such a bad idea. Why not? Honestly,
I don't want for having that having like I mean, look, if
you don't want to if you want to say I don't want to spend that
much on a game console, and then just use what PC you have right
now to play Halo. I know you don't all have Gumme Piece. Well,
I mean yeah, but it's like then stream it from the cloud.
I mean, listen, I think that Xbox would probably still have like they
have the handheld as the other option. Yeah, I feel like that,
Yeah, if you had the handhold and then you had like yeah, like
hey, and then here's our eight hundred nine hundred dollars game console. I
mean because because like what can they do that PlayStation cannot. PlayStation probably doesn't
want to have the dual skew. They want to have like the one that
has the disk driving the one that doesn't, and then but they want to
have the PS five is the PS five when they get to the PS six,
they're probably not going to want to have a PS six and then a
PS six pro right on launch day. But what Microsoft could do that that
PlayStation can't is what you just said seven hundred eight hundred dollars, and it's
significantly more powerful because PlayStation needs to have one that is still mostly affordable to
people who are gonna buy it for FIFA and that is a broad worldwide audience
that they cannot forsake in any way, and Microsoft maybe could maybe already has.
That's something I actually I don't think. I don't think that's a bad
idea at all, because I think what we've been sitting here when we have
these conversations where like Microsoft should try to get away from the nose to nose
head to head competition with the PSA, Yeah, make another just whatever PlayStation
is doing. Again, they can't exactly they should make define should and it
seems like they don't want too. Seems like they're trying to get away from
it. They're talking to Nvidia, they're talking to Intel, at least that's
the rumors, and I believe that we saw that they were at least looking
at arm based architecture when the FTC leaks happened, So we know they're considering
a lot of different options. Yeah, if they go hard on that stuff,
and really with something like ARM, they could like, Okay, the
four hundred dollars five hundred dollars version of this is a handheld that is basically
an Xbox Series S still in some ways, and it's gonna run all your
Live service games just fine, and you could dock it and all this stuff.
Maybe that maybe that's one version and then the other version is a big
expensive one. I kind of hope that's what they do. Yeah, we'll
see, And I mean, hey, look yeah, maybe so more consoles
than you even do now, because yeah, it's gonna be a lotre expensive,
but I don't know, you differentiate yourself. But hey, look this
is a fantasy booking at the moment. The point is that, sure they've
got you something different. They can't just make the Xbox equivalent of the PlayStation
six the next go around. That clearly just didn't work there. Even when
they didn't have the Series S to sort differentiate a bit wasn't really enough.
You had game Pass to differentiate a bit wasn't really enough. There's got to
be something a bit bolder in terms of making it clear that there is a
difference between Xbox and places. And again like there is a little bit of
that. I'm hearing two stories there because you know, they are talking about
hardware still and how it is important, but then it is also still this
message that we're gonna meet you where you are. You know, it doesn't
matter what platform and things like that. To the truth is they're they're going
to do both. I don't think, like you know, the idea is
not to replace one with the other. I think they know that they can
do more and keep a lot of their business intact. And but it is
it does require them, like you said earlier, to walk a fine line
to avoid feeling like people are going to lose access to something that is something
they spent some time talking about as well, where it's like we understand people
invested in their in their games on our platform and we've put a lot of
time into a crossby so that you have your game and if like you don't
have an Xbox anymore, well you can just get on PC now and stuff
like that. We support that, like that's what we want to keep happening
going forward, and we want to expand that and do that new ways.
So yeah, they're it seems like they just want to keep adding new things
to bring in more people. I do think that does diminish the immediate immediate
value of the console, of the hardware itself, But I don't think they're
trying to diminish that to zero. They're just like trying to recognize that they're
are, that they need to do more, and so they need to be
in more places, and that inherently just lowers the value of the console a
little bit. They also talked about, Hey, they did have some good
news. Diablo four is coming to game Pass on March twenty eighth. It's
it is interesting that the first Activision Blizzard one is I think at the end
of last year, the Diabolo team was like, well, no, that's
not fucking going in game pass. You guys are crazy, right, I
forgot about it. That's the first one in game Pass, which I'm I'm
not surprised by at all. It's the one that made the most sense,
and I don't think many people are surprised by it. No. I mean,
come on, it's a game that's you know, it's on consoles,
is on Xbox, it's on PC. No, Like, I'm not am
I gonna be able to play it on PC game Pass? I assume not?
Right, that's only on the console. That's something I'm a little curious
about. I don't know, Ken you can't install Diablo four via the Xbox
app, right, you gotta have No, that's probably right. It's probably
just console for us. It's just for the console, I imagine. I
don't know exactly how that worked. I mean, I guess they can just
they can they can just tie both. Yeah, they could just have the
like the launcher your your Bottlenet account to your right, the way that it
works. Yeah, whatever. A lot of games launch. They already announced
it for PC game Pass, so all right, they did like clarify it
won't be going to UH game pass core members and like people are like,
like I can scandalized by this. I'm like, guess those are the Xbox
Live Gold people. This is the way it's always been. What are you
talking about? Like there's no change there, but whatever, scorn people that
could potentially buy the sixty dollars horse armor or whatever. Huh. Yeah,
some weird monetization in that game for sure, and I think they'll be happy
to welcome a lot and a lot of new people in there through game pass
that you're right, can be monetized in other ways, and I bet a
lot of people actually do end up converting because a lot of people like the
Oblo And then was there Oh yes, They also mentioned that they have a
lot of games in the works. They Booty Matt Boody said there was like
ten games this year. There's a bunch that they've already been announced. Maybe
there's a few more that they haven't like talked about explicitly, but he said
ten games. Not all of them are going to be like the biggest like
Triple A games. It's a scale of games, but ten games. And
then he said they're gonna have some new stuff to talk about at their showcase
in June, confirming that there will be another showcase in June around the time
when we used to get E three. So yeah, Hey, how'd you
feel about this being a podcast? I'm like, completely fine with it.
I get it. A lot of people said it could be an Xbox wire
post. I agree with that, but I think it's fine as a podcast.
Look, I'm saying this is somebody who's doing a video podcast right now.
I think calling that a podcast first and foremost was a little strange.
I mean, you sul called it a presentation or something whatever, But whatever
it was, I thought it was pretty good. It was kind of shortened
to the point even though it was mostly talking heads, it was interesting.
I think they handled it generally very well. The reactions for people I find
more interesting. Like I'm surprised by people like, oh, look, it's
everything's fine, it's not happening when they said, I mean it's happening,
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's a lot of I saw
a lot of YouTube videos where it's like the Lakers were wrong, So the
fucking half the games that we talked about are in there. They confirmed her
coming. What are you talking about? I mean that's about Starfield, And
but you're right, the way that they talked to people are not recognizing what's
happening. I've seen a lot on both sides where it's like, hey,
this confirms my preconceived notions and I'm like, oh great, cool, so
we're just gonna be back to all this being the same. There was a
little bit of like a rorshack tested there a lot of people saw from what
they wanted to see in Yes, I guess, and that's annoying, but
I'll just ignore those people. That's fine, will be completely okay. Yeah,
I thought it was pretty well handled. I thought that they talked in
a way that was honest, in a way that is refreshing, as they
often do. And at the same time, it is kind of wearing a
little bit fit. What's that like? Can you hear mercond? I was
just yeah, you think we just lost you for a second in a hiccup
for a second. Sorry, there no no no worries, It's okay.
I was just saying, like, hey, I like the podcast. I
like the format. I like the way these people speak. I think Sarah
Bond, Matt Boody, Phil Spencer are pretty good when they when they talk
from like when they shoot from the hip a little bit. And obviously this
is not them just straight shooting from the hip. This is a very contained
presentation whatever. I like it. I think they do a pretty good job
of it. At the same time, it is wearing a little bit thin
that It's like Xbox makes a choice. A lot of people like what's going
on? This is confused and this is scary. And then we get like
another presentation or whatever from Phil Spencer coming out and answering things, and again
I think he's good at it. But boy, I think people would just
be happier if there were a lot of great games coming out and they could
just play those and not to think about this stuff. And it feels like
we keep happy to do this because that's not happening. So I'm just like
a little bit worn down by this like repeated process over and over and over
again. Sure, it does seem like Xbox does have some some good games
coming on. I am excited, sure, Jones, I am excited for
about I mean, hey, like right now they might have more coming out,
especially in the second half of the year than PlayStation who knows, But
you know, I think they're getting to a better part of that at least.
Right That was the play for the longest time, was just the drought
of games. They'd hurt them, right, it maybe hurt them irrecably,
irrecably, irrevocably. I knew I was missing a syllable in there. Man,
I'm surprised I said that right the first time. I was like,
I'm just trying to say this word and it's going to go bad and actually
came out correct. You're a hero. Yeah, that's what I thank you.
I don't want to throw it around, but you're here for me.
I mean, I feel like there's more to talk about here, but I
mean we went over most of it, and then we got a lot of
super chats that are gonna want to talk about this. Maybe get starting to
those. They're releasing more games on other platformings platforms including Nintendo and PlayStation.
Not all of the games, and there's some that they're probably afraid to do
because they know how much people get set about. And I bet that was
the conversation with Starfield, there was. I mean, they put that game
up on a poll last year, right, it was the standard bear for
the Xbox brand. Next year, it might just be a bit too much
for them to put that on too much too soon? War probably similar.
How much money you're really going to make putting putting a Starfield on PlayStation right
now? Right? Is it really? Yeah? I mean probably yeah?
Probably the brand a million, two million copies maybe, uh yeah, that's
not all the money in the world. But I think somebody is like,
what about Red Fall, And they're like no, we're not doing that.
I think they are well aware that they cannot do anything like that with Red
Fall until that is a game is in a place where people would be actually
happy to play. Never. So maybe never, maybe never, Jeff,
So many games have had redemption arcs. You think that's the one that cannot
Yes, okay, cool answer. Listen, I play Original find a Fantasy
fourteen. They can do, but I live in them. I yeah,
listen, I made that game. Look as iff xboxes can say, yeah,
we're gonna try again. We're gonna make Redfall again. See if we
could do it better this time. Maybe then I think, like just repeating
a little bit. I think the big takeaway is these are people that like
have the insights. They see how things are moving, and when they look
at it and they look around and they see that Roadblocks is like an order
of magnitude bigger than the Xbox console business, I think it's hard for them
to be like, of course, we have to be moving in a direction
where we're thinking about that. It was at one point the games serve the
console, and now it's clearly the console serve these games. So we have
to be in the business of creating those kinds of games, and that's what
they're doing now. That's that's what you know, acquiring King's about. That's
what acquiring Call of Duty is about. It's what acquiring Minecraft was about.
Way back when they did that. It's been that's been ten years ago now
almost maybe not maybe eight years was it twenty sixteen or twenty four teams a
long time ago, long time ago, and so it's like it's all been
kind of going in this direction, and they've seen this, and so it's
kind of the toothpastes out of the tube. Consoles are in a place where
they are still super important. The people who play consoles spend a lot of
money on games, and they are not going to give that up. No
one's given that up. But even PlayStations look around being like, shit,
we need to make more money, and PlayStation sounds like part of what they're
deciding to do, and they've already done this a little bit with like raising
a lot of prices, is we need to make more money from the people
who are already here. We got to monetize them more, We got to
squeeze them for more value. Now and then it's like, well, and
now we've got to maybe put these games out on PC a little bit faster,
get a little bit more aggressive. So they're also looking for ways to
grow because they see they're writing on the wault as well, and they are
the market leader, so of course Microsoft's doing this. This is just kind
of inevitable at some point. This does not go back to consoles are dead,
Like this is not that, it's just everything is evolving past to a
past the point where it's like you can be a console company and that's all
you need to be. It's like, no, these companies have grown to
a point where they've tapped out that market. Seemingly they did a great job
of rate reaching everybody who would possibly want a console, and every time like
a new person enters the world that is like, I'm so into games,
I will spend five hundred dollars on a system. Those people are coming right
in. They're choosing one of these. They're probably choosing PlayStation, but they're
choosing one of these, and they're going maybe they're choosing Nintendo whatever. But
that is not enough to make sense for the growth that these companies require to
service their investors. So yeah, things had to change. We are at
that point, right now and oh well, abe freaking out. So yeah,
I guess if your takeaway from this and everything that's been going on as
well, it's guess it's just business as usual maybe on some surface level,
but now they're changing. Yeah, I mean, you know, twenty like
they said this in the spot, like twenty twenty three are so good and
with games, and yet there wasn't much growth. So yeah, so it's
like you're like, that can happen and people aren't rushing to go buy consoles
and play games, and PlayStation misses their target, Like this is you know,
this is news what you talked about a little bit, Like PlayStation was
wanted to sell twenty five million. They're only as they are now lowering their
target to twenty one million PlayStation five sold, and they are going to probably
have a roughish time getting to that, despite all throughout twenty twenty three,
the PS five being aggressively on sale down to like three hundred and fifty dollars
at point for it one dollars, like all these amazing games. You could
play Residingval four, you could play boulders Gate three, right, they didn't
have to like make a version of that from a box of scrats that they
did on Xbox. That was alright. I was always on PlayStation and Alan
Wake and all these games that you know, oh wow, this is generational
games and targets are lowered. That's right. No, yeah, I mean
it's it's a sign that stagnation is here for consoles and that I mean,
there was probably another growth spurt in the future at some point, but these
companies can't sit run and wait for it, and so they are in a
position where they have to find out what is next, and that's going to
be a messy process. We're seeing it with Xbox. It's been it's been
messy at the very least, it's been messy. PlayStation has a little bit
more leeway and that they are the market leader, but they all have a
little leslie way in that PlayStation is the successful business at Sony, and everything
else is kind of on fire except for a few other small segments of their
business. So it's probably gonna get messy for PlayStation as well. Meanwhile,
we're the best great games, Jeff. Yeah, we're the message boys.
We'll we'll pick it up for you everybody, and we'll let you know what's
going on. All right, Mike let's take a quick break, let's go
back, let's get to some of these super chats. A lot are coming
in. Thanks everybody who's watching, about nine hundred people watching live. We
always appreciate it. Literally nine to eleven people are watching. What I looked
at it tragedy. All right, we'll get to it right after this,
everybody, and we're back, and Mike, we got some super chats.
What do you read those to me? Yes, z, thank you for
joining our Lincoln tier here. Thank you. Mess Broken ninety five says hello,
Jeff Garage Shrimp Grub and Mike NOOKI Party Minati. I'm looking for a
gaming handheld and can't decide between the rog or the Olds, which would you
choose to buy? And why we haven't really hashed us out yet, Jeff.
But I think we're on opposite sides of the fence on this one.
I think I'm nuanced on it. Like if you are, I'm a simp.
Oh, that's that's fair. Yes, if you are someone that wants
to play Xbox Game Pass games or you want to get some of those other
stores and you don't want to worry about like going into the desktop mode on
Steam Deck, which or dual booting windows and stuff like that, which you
almost certainly aren't. Then the ROG ally is a really good choice, and
you're going to be completely fine with that. I would I would still probably
pick that over like the Lenovo Legion Go and some of those other ones.
But the Steam Deck O led is the better handheld device. It really is
in terms of better much better battery life. That screen is gorgeous, the
audio is actually better. And even though it's very good on the the ROG
and then the like just using the device as something you take with you,
when you can like log in everything and it just kind of works, it's
much better at that as well. But the rug ally plays games better once
you're playing the game, and it can play all those games I mentioned before
from like the Windows Game Store and stuff like that. But yeah, I
mean, yeah, you're all in on the ROG, right, Yeah,
I mean, look, what I like about it is that I think it's
more comfortable than a steam Deck for me. I really like those analog sis.
I don't know why, but those always feel good to use. I
like the user interface. It makes it very easy to get into all these
different game launchers, whereas steam Deck you get to work a little bit to
get into anything that isn't Steam. You know, obviously it's fine. The
downside is the battery life. I play like in the same place on my
bed, so that's not a giant problem for me. But if you like
want your gaming hand hoe to be really portable, then maybe you don't want
the rog's. Yeah, I think that's right, all right. Connor Wood
says, best milk flavor. I think the answer is cheese gross oh not
cheese flavored milk, like you know, just like cheese. Oh oh,
Once milk becomes cheese, that's the best. Okay, Well then practically the
same thing you're like I thought, because I thought you would be saying cheese
milk like, which is that's just that's just milk, okay. But you
could definitely make milk more cheesy, definitely, and that would be discussed.
Sleep it out for a while. But chocolate milk if you have to,
like I have milk in the name, Yeah, chocolate milk's the best.
Chris says, I think I'm more worried about PlayStation's future than xboxes. I
mean, Jeff, look, I think you know how good a SoundBite is
because you keep saying it, and I don't blame you, but yeah,
PlayStation won the console war. It's so yes. It's like in my head,
it's like, man, I need to just make that YouTube video because
that's a good YouTube video headlines because it's true. Like, yeah, I
look at Xbox, they're gonna put start playing their games on PlayStation. How
how is PlayStation celebrating? Oh no, yeah exactly, I like worried for
PlayStations future and listen, these companies are going to figure a lot of stuff
out and it's mostly going to be fine. I just for me, my
perspective is I like playing games, and I am finding a ton of places
to derive good games from. It's not usually these days PlayStation or Xbox.
It is occasionally them, and sometimes they're facilitating those games. I love Pentiment.
I'm really looking forward to Final Fantasy seven rebirth, But nine of my
gaming time is coming from places like Steam and in other places like that.
So hey, they'll figure stuff out, they'll be fine. They'll make a
lot of money, and they'll make even more money in the future. Oh,
Greg says, knowing what you know now, rank Sonny, Microsoft and
Nintendo on how well you think they're twenty twenty four will be also yay alcohol
mic. Yes, I have a Golden Ale from Penguin City almost empty sadly.
I mean, Antendo's a bit of everything. Everybody's a question mark.
I guess right, if Nintendo has a switch to with a three D more
game and then they just win for me, of course, that's going to
matter more than anything. I think xboxes like Gnomes are very exciting. I'm
very interested in that Indiana Jones game. I'm surprised how I got it when
we saw a vout at that summer thing and a lot of people weren't hot
on it. I'm surprised that some people are still kind of like that with
the last show because I thought the last showcase was good for a Vowed.
I think you, I think you're underestimating the number of people who are like,
they played Skyrim and they're like, I hate the way that this combat
feels, and A Vowed looked enough like that to them, where it's like
it's that weightless sort of swing of the thing and people to have a visceral
reaction against that. I don't mind that. I have a ton of fun
with the combat in Skyrim, and I think about it looks like a lot
of fun. But a lot of people just kind of go oh, give
them the he bgbs when they see that Sony has actually some pretty fun stuff
at like the beginning of this year, right, I was going to carry
them a long way years. Who is fantastic fom phasey seven Rebirth is coming
soon? You know. I think we're all kind of like, well,
geez. Now they're saying they're not going to have any like franchise games coming
out this year, which by that I assume they mean like anything of like
a God of War, Ghost Ghosts Spider Man, for example. Was that
their examples were Spider Man and God of War. They said, that's the
level of game, and we're not gonna happen. Ghost Shushima is on that
level. And I thought we might have gotten that sequel this year. Now
we clearly aren't. So it is coming this year? I don't know,
Yeah, I mean, like I like I said, I've heard Astro could
still make it this year. That'd be amazing. It's fucked up they don't
consider a franch like that. I mean, listen, it's sold better than
any of those other games, right, fifty four million copies let's go.
Yeah, well, we'll see. I think that hey, Hell Divers two
and Rebirth is gonna make this year the Vagina Hart game and the Vagina Heart
Game still a blade, right. I still am not sure why people are
like, so it's got to just be like, oh, the character sexy,
right, that's it. I mean, I know it looks kind of
fun, but it just looks like maybe it's be kind of a bad Bonetta.
I don't know. I think it's gonna I mean, looks a lot
a generic Banetta. I don't know, we'll see. Yeah, I love
sure, I hope it's good. Whatever I think right now. A lot
for Microsoft rides on how good Indiana Jones is going to be. If Indiana
Jones comes out and it's midh it's a bad year for Xbox again. So
I don't know if based on what we know now, I probably would still
probably put PlayStation slightly ahead of Xbox based on I think Rebirth is going to
be very good, and I love Hell Divers too, and if Astro comes
out, that'd be great. And then Mike's right. If Nintendo has a
three D Mario at launch for the switch to, that's an automatic one.
J Beem says, just now getting here playing catch up. Sorry if you
mentioned already, but is there a word on whether the new Astrobot game will
be a VR game? Crossing their fingers. What do you think, Jeff,
I don't know. I don't know. That's that's the that's the full
answer. My guess is like maybe the reason it's coming out this year is
because maybe it's launching with the PS five Pro and it's going to be like
one of those introducing you to the console things again. I hope it's.
I hope it's just a real big boy game. It should be. Jesus
Christ. I don't I don't think it's going to be a VR thing though.
I don't think it's be a VR thing. No, I don't know,
no way, I don't think why. If they were going to do
that, they should have launched it with the PSBR two. It's past that
point, so now I don't think. So. Yeah. Now, Brian
Oh says, either you try banishers and then any word on a new soobh
banishers. I have not tried them. We just talked about asob right,
So yeah, I've not tried banishers. I know. Jesse was in chat
earlier. I really liked it. A lot of people seem to really enjoy
it. It's an action game from Don't Nod. I like Don't They've been
doing doing a lot of cool stuff. So brothers playing in is talking about
liking it. Yeah, people seem to like it once they start playing it.
I'm gonna have a hard time making time for it right now, which
is a shame. Well, David says out to Valentine's Day dinner. I
told my fiance bottom Mega Man hubble buddle. She apparently has never heard a
Mega Man, looked up a picture and still no. All right, like
that Mega Man less or more famous than Cloud Strife. Here's the thing with
this, Uh, it's it's so weird because there's just like this really hard
wall between like like an average gamer would recognize it and what they think and
then just like a Joe off the street doesn't really play video games and they're
going to know a few Mario characters and like Pikachu, and Pikachu's such a
transmedia character anyways, or less than Cloud Strife. I don't know. I
might be like, pardon me, is like, oh, I don't Mega
Man so omni present to me? And he's not just from like that one
game. But I'm clearly biased. I am fucking wearing a Mega Man shirt
right now. Fair enough, rogers Og says glad more games are going multi
platform. I wish Nintudo and Sony would also do this, are dumb and
only restrict others from enjoying games. I It's more nuanced than that, right,
because wait, I'm trying to think of like the nice way to put
it, because like, like when I see people be like, it's good,
just everyone can play more games, and like, yeah, yes,
of course, but there's there's more going on here than that, Okay.
Like Sony said this in their last Darning interport earlier this week, that it
makes sense. It made sense for them to spend a lot of money on
their big single player games because it boosts their hardware. And that's what those
games were about, That's what they said. So you get two hundred and
fifty million dollar budget games from Sony because of their hardware and because it's exclusive,
that's what makes it worth people getting and that's what boots that's the part
that actually boosts the hardware. And I'm not I'm not someone who has much
of a much need for two hundred and fifty million dollar budgeted games. But
a lot of people do like them, and it's a lot of people who
are even like signific more casual and like they're like, hey man, I
like a game that looks expensive. I come in. I play one or
two games a year, and this is awesome. So there's clearly some value.
It creates some reason to make the kinds of games that we probably wouldn't
necessarily get otherwise unless they are very particular kind of game that can support that
budget through monetization and long term play, or they are just games that always
sell thirty million copies to fifty million copies, like a Grand Theft, Auto,
a Red Dead, Redemption, or a Call of Duty, And those
are like very particular kinds of games that appeal to a very particular kind of
person. And I think it's pretty different than what you get from like a
even a Spider Man or a Last of Us. So yeah, uh,
it's not that simple. But you're also not wrong. It's good that more
people can play these games. Cool like Miracle says, the only person that
can say video games is Brian fucking Cox. Yeah, man, he could
fuck the fuck off apparently God who bought that. I'm sorry, can't real
Pugtato, it was Pato, right, thank you Potato. Poctato mentioned to
me that the script only said fuck off, so that fuck the fuck off
was a bonus fuck. You got a bonus ex Flying Cox. Yeah,
you got a free fuck yep, So what the hell you said, Devil
Jan Yeah, Jesse Norris says Blatro, Yeah, that's a very good point.
Adam Wilson, Lincoln member for sventy months, says, hey, hey,
hey, hey, Adam Wilson, thank you so much. Thanks,
thanks, Adam, appreciate it. Uh Anna four Pez, the first of
check here, says the big deal about the power of the new Xbox is
probably to assage all the complaints about Series S being a downer for Dev's ASO
a great job on Mortcomtalgi's Mike. I called March, but you might be
done in feb. That would shock me, but you might. Maybe we'll
see. We'll say you so much. Annie. You think this is Danny
for presides Anakin Skywalker for president. You think that's what happened? Okay,
Yeah, as a swage, I'm not sorry that one. I just wanted
to help you with a swage. What's this? I say, all right,
I know that word that well, that one just really got me.
Well. I was like rolling, like, oh no, I deserve that
one stage. That's funny. Okay, But uh, you think there's going
to be another series S equivalents or you think there's the handheld will take.
I think they're gonna get more creative than just two skews of the same box.
So yeah, yes and no, there will be multiple ways to play
something called an Xbox that is still Xbox hardware. It probably won't look exactly
the same, NAS says. With High Fi Rush coming to Switch, do
you think this means a native Xbox one Slash play Station four version will be
announced o the four games rumored High five Rush is the only Series X Slash
S exclusive. Surely they want to tap into the massive PS four user base.
I mean, do you think it's worth I guess that's a good point.
If you're making it for Switch and then you're gonna bring it to at
least PlayStation, I don't know, maybe they're not gonna bother bring it to
like the old Xbox. If you're gonna bring it to PlayStation, do you
try to release it for PlayStation four also at that point, hmmm, yeah,
right, that's what I was like, Hmmm, yeah, I guess,
I mean, yeah, why not? That last is at a point
where we really think, like we're just done releasing game on a play station
four, which there's still a lot of You're a guess right, you put
it on PS four because that like is like magnanimous in a way where it's
like, hey, we're putting out PS four games even if Sony's done doing
it. I don't know, like it feels like, yeah, you like
you like the big dick energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't
know. It feels like if the game can run up PS four, you
put it on PS four. I think that's probably gonna happen. Big Fresh
thirty sevens is play Captain told you, Guber's I would like to have the
time. We'll see. Maybe that'll be part of my Switch Nostalgia tour.
There you go that. Burhand says, can you give your thoughts on why
there's so much backlash on something that should be celebrated or are people unhappy with
the proliferation of titles that have traditionally been locked to a specific platform. Yeah,
we're talking about it a little bit. It's just it's just not really
that like that simple to me, because you could maybe this does damage a
brand, and maybe it does get to a point where uh like, oh
that plan was kind of the sambitious plan because the other thing wasn't working.
And you know why is something a plan B, right, because it's not
your first choice. Yeah, your first choice was to just make all your
games for Xbox. Maybe that's not working, So now we're moving to the
plan B. Well, Plan A doesn't work, the Plan B also doesn't
work. Well then what then? Then where are we? It's and you
know that that backlashes. You know it's coming from a particular kind of person
usually, and these are people that you know. When I called those guys
toxic last week, it was more I was more saying like, they exist
in a part of Twitter that is often very toxic, and so like I
kind of threw them all in with a bucket and clob real. I don't
think colobeal is toxic, but no, but it does. Yes, you
started that podcast by saying how you didn't get any sleep the day before,
poor Jeff. I know that part was not included in the clips, but
whatever, Yes, and it was always like but like that part of Twitter
is like they're always sniping at each other. They're everyone like when you want,
and like Clobrial does make those lists and then people take those lists and
fight a fight with it. And that's not clobe Real's about, but that
that stuff is like they're spending their free time in engaged in these fights.
A lot of these people who are who do these list wars, and when
they see this stuff, it feels like, oh, I not only is
all the money I've spent invested in this, uh kind of for no good
reason, because you know I could have got all this stuff. It's going
to come to PlayStation five. However, their viewing that really it's about I've
built this identity to protect myself from fomo and now that is being underminded,
and that is you know, that's getting to people's identities, and that is
really a settling to some people. Uriel del Gao says, do you think
High Fi Rush Too will be a bigger game? Sixty dollars question Mark,
All right, here's my first question. Is there going to be a High
Fi Rush too? Uh? Yeah, I think so. High Fi Rush
too? Like they like that studio a lot, And I think part of
this is, Hey, you guys like making High Fi Rush, We want
to enable you to do that again. Let's make it make sense. Let's
get it out everywhere. You guys want to put it out everywhere. Okay,
great, let's keep investing in this and keep it going. Uh.
I hope it's sixty dollars. I look, I like, again, I
hate to be it. They should charge more for something. Thirty dollars seemed
really low for five hovers, at least forty. We're inventing like a price
range for Agado. What game comes out and costs thirty dollars either twenty or
forty usually? So yeah, I hope they find some Look, you could
just release the game the same scope of High Fi Rush and stay it's at
sixty dollars. Came to me and I'll believe you just pretend like it's a
bigger deal. I hope they find a way to justify to the people who
are going to be sensitive about that kind of thing. Agreed, Benji Bop
says, do we think the next gen Leap is moving to arm I mean,
yeah, that's part of it. That that alone isn't going to get
you to the biggest console leap ever, right, not alone. I mean
it would have to be like, let's you could do some really really really
powerful stuff with ARM and you know with any of these chips you could do
that stuff. But yeah, ARM, I think affords you the ability to
do something that is very powerful, relatively affordable, relatively efficient, and then
can scale down in such a way that a mobile device can work in a
way that's just very obvious. Now do they go that route? There's no
guarantee. I mean he name dropped am D during this thing, and now
he was saying AMD's like they're worried about their sales, so that's not necessarily
like we're all aboard on the AMD boat. But he is, you know,
still talking about AMD like a partner and stuff like that. So they
probably at the end of the day still go with AMD, and AMD is
getting very good at efficiency. But it's just ARM probably is the future still
for a lot of these consoles. It's just not the immediate future. Soul
scream says, Is Sony really the market leader over nan Tendo? You real
quick? Yeah? Just a Stephen s says, Risk five. Yeah,
what do we say ARMED? That's shorthand for it could be risk five as
well. What was that question again, Mike? Sorry, Yeah, is
Sony really the market leader over Nintendo? You're talking about stuff? Yeah,
I mean, you know, it means how you count them and all that
stuff. Really what I say there, what I mean more like Colombo in
your Life by the way, graduation. But what I mean is Xbox and
PlayStation are going head to head, so one one beating the other. There
is actually something Nintendo being like, yeah, we owned the handheld space,
and we turned our home console into our handheld and now we're continuing to own
the handheld space. They by not competing necessarily head to head with those other
companies, They're like going to go do their own thing. They are clearly
still competition. They clearly have a gen say quad that these other companies wish
they had in terms of selling games and selling hardware and appealing to families.
And if I had to choose any of these companies to just like, hey,
your genie forces you to become a video game company and you have to
live the rest of your life as one of these companies, I would choose
Nintendo because I think they have the most of this stuff. Figured out.
So if you're asking for my opinion, I think Nintendo's the leader. But
when we're talking about Microsoft and Sony always talking about something very specific. Evan
Olmsted says, new Xbox hardware this year or next hand held. I know
they said they're going to talk about hardware late this year, Jeff, I
don't think they're releasing something this year. I don't think they're releasing it,
but they said they would talk about it this holiday, and I guess we
didn't mention like what we necessarily thought that would be most likely is some sort
of revision, not a pro but a revision that we did. We did
see one in that FTC leak. Now that there's a lot of reasons to
believe that maybe they're not going full in on what that leak was, which
is that cylinder and all that stuff, But maybe they have something different.
And I suppose what they could do is, here is an Xbox series X
that has a smaller process chip, so it's more efficient, and because of
that, we're able to fit like a couple of other like extra modules on
the processor that can do better you know, machine learning, visual improvements and
frame generation and now all of these games are running at four K sixty however
they want to get to that or whatever what they want to aim for.
That's a possibility. So it's like, in fact, it actually kind of
is a pro But it's the same hardware and it's the same all this stuff
and all the games are exactly the same and you don't have to do much
on the development side. Maybe that's a possibility, but I also think there's
a possibility that it's the handheld and they could start talking about that this holiday.
We'll see and ten. Derek says, in the last ten years,
third party game has won the Game of the Year awards seven out of ten.
Shows. Why do people act like first party games are all that matter?
I don't know, you're right, I mean, let's say, I
guess I kind of. I mean, they just thought, yeah, they're
exciting, and they justify the money that we spent on these machines. Those
are the things that make the difference. When you are deciding to spend a
lot of money on something, you want to feel like there is a very
good reason that you did that, and so you kind of put those things
up on a pedestal, and it is they feel more prestigious for that reason
sometimes. But yeah, third party games are where most of the actions at
Burrito says here here is my weekly Mortal Kombat Mythologies hot take. If it
wasn't for the god awful platforming, it would have been a cult favorite.
It's FMV scenees rule and cheers the mic for being persistent shoot winner about a
genuinely tough game. Yeah, the fighting's not great either. There is a
lot that like I do actually kind of like about Mortal covet Mythology. Yeah
sure, uh yeah, like there could have been a called favorite game in
there. Absolutely it kind of is this call game anyways, and a lot
of it isn't the baggage of it being terrible, which is a shame.
But yeah, I know what you mean, Burrito. Those FMB scenes are
fantastic. They are so good, so much fun there. I mean that
dejected sub zero is gonna live in my head for the rest of my life.
I can't believe it. It's just so it's so exactly Charlie Brown that
I couldn't believe it. That had to be like the sixth take, And
at first you're like, all right, now go downstairs, sad, like
we said sad. He's like, I'm wearing a fucking mask. What do
you want look sad? So you like angrily, didn't Charlie Brown thing?
Don't you effect? Mike? I think I think you're one hundred percent right
that scene. The acting, that scene reads like I am going to overact
because I'm pissed at these stupid fucking directors asking me to do the stupid shit.
So I'm gonna do a cartoon version of being sad. And then they
were like, well now we have to use that. These people who know
nothing about actually we were just like I read an emotion than that. That's
a good uh. PRA seven x thirteen says Jeff Big d Oc, Daddy
min Naughty and Mike and D's nuts grub, long time listener, first time
chatter. Did I do this right? Just wanted to finally share my appreciation
and love for all the hard work you to Thank you, PRA, really
appreciate it, Thank you, Pra really yep, I appreciate as well.
Michil Larry says, crawling across the floor past all those we lost in the
console wars, like saving Private Ryan's intro this week, But what does this
Xbox podcast bean for Tommy Tella Rico. Tommy's got to be back. He's
He's back in the game. Everybody, it's it's it's his time to shine.
Before was this before we would left shown the uh A Miko announced some
news today. Then we talked about that before. What it was the name
of their mascot? No, I didn't read the full arcle, but apparently,
yeah, they named their mascot. Did they say the name? I
didn't read the fucking article headline. I'm like, yeah, that's right,
that's incredible. So yeah, everything's turning up Tommy Jeff. I noticed some
familiar spelling and punctuation in these next few from the same fucking from somebody called
Leaky Hum says, Uh, I don't care what you say. Xbox is
dead? Next is Starfield Indie? Next one? So many suckers? Uh
falling for Phil talk? I hate Phil last moving to PC. I hope
Phil loses his job. Con Man, Well, thanks for the money.
Here's Shagarumamoto's all right, Shakey says I'm very happy to introduce her new list.
Nintendo employee Tim Nintendo. I would not abandon our gabers like anti gaber
trader Phil I remember last week what I didn't know who Tim Dog was?
I too remember, and now you do know, and I'm sure you uh
don't regret that. Yeah, yeah, something like that. I don't know
what to say, because don't us spot another like thousand weeks and like to
your Twitter spaces something, Jacob Bench, This am I the only one that's
annoyed that Sony and Microsoft are talking about what's next when it's only been three
years. Yeah, both of them are talking up. It's been a bit
more than three years. Both of them are talking about kind of next consoles
already. What's weird to me, Jeff, is I remember when five years
was the standard, and now I'm like, how cold? How was that
ever possibly the right? How were we so ready to move on? I
guess mostly for me it was because it was my parents' money, not that
they ever got me a console on launch day, except for when they got
me the in sixty four on lunch day. You know, no doctors over
here. I did JO just fine. I was I'm not like I was
impoverished or something. Yeah, it's it is a lot of people are going
to agree with this, right, A lot of people are like looking around
being like, why are you talking about what's next? Now? I don't
think they would have been like we like this week, would have said,
hey, we have a more powerful console than ever coming. Uh. If
they weren't forced to talk about hardware in some way this week, I rememb
maybe they were gonna talk about this podcast always. I just don't think so.
So Yeah, if they're talking about what's next, that's still probably not
you know, it's several years away, at least two more years away,
but probably closer to like three. Uh ol grug says, I'm going to
ask the most important question I've ever asked you, guys. I'm going to
sheets. What should I get to eat? You're going to sheets and you
want to get something? Okay, the Buffalo Chicken flat pizza is pretty decent.
It's not like it's like it's called a sheets of pizza and a pizza.
Some shings that's their wings. They like to add zss yes or or
they say just the beginning of a lot of stuff like schmagels and stuff.
Yeah that get that. That's pretty good. Or two plain hot dogs.
He's like, he's like getting the meatball sub there the back and cheese isn't
bad. Either there's their sub sandwiches are pretty good. The Italian sandwich is
really good. Drew Bud says, jets, can you please find out why
valvon't officially release the steam deck in Australia For me, been over two years
now. Ah, that's weird. I didn't realize they weren't chacing the streets
steam deck in Australia. Why not. It's got to be logistics. It's
got to be logistics and tariffs, I would assume Stanna, Uh yeah,
I mean lots said, but it's very expensive to ship that stuff there.
They're not going to manufacture it there. That probably takes a while to set
up, and then selling that stuff there, they probably would have to set
it to a price where it would not make sense to a lot of people.
And then if they made it made sense, they wouldn't make any money
on it. Yeah, I'm sorry. That sucks. Australia deserves better.
You heard it from jeff Us Soul Scream says, is the Xbox Puck dead?
Yes, well, it's on hold. At the very least they said
this. They've confirmed this publicly, I believe. Yeah. Jordan Ando says,
why have people only just realized that Xbox had this messaging for years and
actions pushing the same direction where people just ignoring them messaging before it has been
consistent in my opinion, So I know Phil said similar things to you before,
Jeff and other people. Look, this is definitely the most high profile
stage that they have delivered this message, and it's been more concrete than it
ever has before. Right, Yeah, yes, this is a big,
bold step in the same direction. You're right, Jordan that this is kind
of very similar to what they've said before, and this is just the biggest
step in that direction. But it also is hard for people to hear that
because, yeah, they say that stuff, but when they go to the
store, it's an Xbox and these games are exclusive Xbox, and they keep
talking about all the great games that are coming to Xbox, and it's like
the reality on the ground for many people. Even while he was saying all
that stuff is business as usual, So I think people assumed, well,
it is this way and it will continue to be that way. And this
is the console gaming landscape that we've lived in for our entire lives, where
it's like these companies do things this way, they do it one way.
So now that Microsoft has sort of like been taught talking about they are looking
at those three billion gamers instead of just you know, the twenty five million
that they have on Xbox. It's again, that's the next thing to say,
what does that really look like? Well, now we're starting to see
a little glimpses of what that looks like. Random thought before we leave here
for now, you know, we're rebellyaching about rare replay on how that should
come to switch. Somebody pointed out on Twitter for get who, so much
of rare replay is just like Xbox backwards compatibility stuff with three sixty That's a
good point. That's a good kind of impossible. Yeah, we weren't really
thinking about that where we Yeah, I guess so. I mean, yeah,
because you can't really do like a diet version of that that just has
all the as Yeah, just give me all the yeah nes CONRA sixty four
and N sixty four games. That's fine with me. But they probably not
couldn't do that, probably not going to do that. Put some of those
onto an s O then yeah, yeah, I just do that one more
from Alice Lee. Maybe I'm out of touch, but I don't see why
Xbox needs so many first party exclusives when they have game Pass, which is
enough value on its own. I mean, I I agree, Alice.
And then you look at the numbers and game passes. It's doing fine,
it's not really growing like it should and it's probably hit a wall. And
again it you know, just the way things are. It's it's not good
enough that Hey, we used to not have a game pass and now we
have game passes. Whatever revenue that is, it's great. No, there's
got to be growth. It's not coming from game Pass and the growth is
going to have to come from somewhere else. Yeah, thanks for the super
chat, Alice. I uh, the Mike's Mike's right. And it is
the kind of thing where we talked about this last week when we were like
leading into this and we knew this was coming, that the the the game
pass is attractive and it's the best deal in gaming. That's the kind of
thing people have been saying for a very long time. And I think we're
at a point where people are like, well, I got PlayStation Plus and
this is pretty good too. I don't need game Pass. Sure it's got
some Xbox exclusives, but I'm fine missing out on most of those if those
exclusives were significantly coming out more frequently, impossible to ignore. That is the
kind of thing where it's like now it's a different, differentiat in factor.
Again, that's tough to pull off though, and I think Microsoft recognizes that
that's what the all these moves are about. But they it's going to get
an Xbox because the game pass, and if game passes, like, oh
we just got a bunch of great third party games in here and all that
stuff, it's probably not enough when PlayStation Plus is in a lot of ways,
just as good Jordan Andandel has one just now said so effectively. People
are just scared of change until it happens. Like people hated Day one games
to PC it first, now they want everyone to do it. Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah. People. People are scared. Yeah, humans
are framed of change. It's u We want the world to work the way
we expect it to. Worry. Nothing makes a person happier than when they
go into a situation and everything is as they expected it to be. Like
if you go into something and people ask you to like, hey could do
this thing at work, and if the thing is something that you know how
to do it like releases a huge amount of dopamine. People love it and
if it's something you don't recognize, it is very scary. It sets off
a fight or flight, and I think that's what we're seeing is a lot
of fight or flight. I mean, we literally saw people fighting and we
saw people flying away from Xbox. So yeah, that's what we have to
deal with when these kinds of changes happen. All right, let's end this
segment now. If you guys want to send in more super chests, yah,
we will read them before the end of the show, we promise.
Thank you all so much, but yeah, let's take a break. We'll
be back, right, Jeff. That's right, Thanks Mike for reading those.
Right back after this, and we're back and we got We're going to
get into our best Games of twenty fifteen here in a second, and of
course, if you're listening live and you want to have your say on that,
feel free to drop a super chat about what you think should be included
in that. We'll also read the input from our podcast producers before that.
Though. My understanding is we have an update on our Fantasy critic. That
is right, Jeff, So we haven't done one of these a little bit.
So people may not remember if you're a little newer to a channel,
But what we have going on here is that every year we run a fantasy
critic league for our patrons, and most of that is head up by Benji
Bop, so you know, big shouts to him for all that. If
you're unfamiliar with what it is, it's basically like fantasy football or other fantasy
sports where you like create a team that you think will do well throughout the
year and you want to beat everyone else with your team. So here what
the goal is is to have the best scoring games, review scores of the
year. And so here we have a little update since we have done our
draft, our initial drafts, and a few major releases have come out,
so put together a little summary of the first month and a month ish of
the play here. So going into it right away, Jeff, can I
borrow your unique skill for a second year with the video that we have lined
up? Yeah? What do you need? Just talk about this a little
bit, you know, sure, absolutely means go a look here. Okay,
Yeah, so beevspackle off to an early tea so early. Actually,
it's very hard for me to read these names because it's pretty tiny on my
screen, but Blackhart Vinyl makes a big leap head and then the whole pack
catches up. Everyone is moving ahead as like a dragon. Infinite wealth comes
out. Who's gonna get that advantage? Adam a Sleep, a Bell tread
bel tread in the way good rest, Peka Blue goes way out I had
with Grand Blue Fantasy, and then Persona three reload helps Teshi nineteen ninety nine
catch up, and then that leaves Adam Asleep at Bell trad I'm way good
reset a, Peka Blue, yellow Beard all tied with twenty points. Then
Adam Asleep catches up with Hell Divers two moving out to the lead. That
was a real yes, that's a very good pick, all right. Then
Banishers comes down. That moves low Rule legend way up into the leaders club.
Mario versus Donkey Kong also out that came out, That comes out like
right now, tonight right Altrous is also in there, I believe, which
I know is getting some praise, and so that means our leaders as it
stands right now is Adam Asleep at number one with thirty two point eight points,
Nick Turbo number two with thirty one point six points and low Rule Legend
and third place with twenty four point six points. Oh, we'll get to
that in just a second. Then you thank you both for commentating over that.
So here we have some stats from BOP just as a summary of what's
happened so far. Noble releases of the period include tech and eight Like a
Dragon, If No Wealth, Persona three Reload, Hell Divers, two Banshers,
Go, Some New Eiden, Grand Blue, Fantasy Relink, Go,
Mecha Ball, Altrous, Turn Up Boy, Robs a Bank, and Mario
Versus Donkey Kong remake. So if you had any of those games in your
fantasy league, Hey, you got some points on the board, and I
think you said this, but the order you read that in is the order
of the points that they scored, Yes, top to bottom, order of
most points that this that's correct, Yeah, Mike, look at eighty two
point it's a great score. Howuse held divers do only an eighty three ish
average? Right now? People have bad taste, So that's a good score.
That's a good score. Over It's okay. It's the ones that are
the ones that are very high up here, with TECN eight at ninety Like
a Dragon at ninety or eighty nine point nine, and percent of three at
eighty nine point two. Those are all incredible scores and important to note here
though interesting here tecan is an even ninety, which means that nobody got the
bonus points that happen when you score above ninety. So it's not eighty nine
point ninety. You have to score above Okay, wow, yeah you have
to you would have to be ninety one or more interesting or yeah, I
guess it would be okay, ninety point one, ninety point one, ok
yeah, it was probably start doubling any remnants there. But yeah, So
that means that the highest score that someone could gain from one game right now
is just the standard twenty points. Pretty good production values on this, Oh
yeah, oh yeah. Bob puts a lot of work into this. Really
interest here. So here I'm going to go down the line. I'm just
going to show each each league that we have in the greater each conference in
the league. However, the breakdown is there. It's like tennis game match
that I can't remember which is which. But in the Game mess Critiques league,
we have Adam Asleep in first place. As you saw at the end
of leader board, there overall. Last of the critique dogs, we have
Nick Turbo in first place. Over there, closest to the Messi critic,
we have Low Rule Legend leading the pack. Then critic called Jeopardy. We
have Beltred in first place and critique Bros. Teshie nineteen nine nine is taking
a league. So if you want to go see where you are, maybe
a little more specifically, you can go check out the video version and I
have pulled up all slides there. The top ten overall leaderboard is the thing
that I want to talk about more so here, which interestingly is a top
eleven because of some ties. Right now, Epic Open World, Michael Riley
and b Corless nine are all tied for ninth place with nineteen point nine to
one points. Then we have a four way tie for fifth place. Maybe
they just all have the same games there, Bell Tread, Yellow Beard three
to five, Peka Blue and I'm Way Goodoris all have twenty point oh four
points. Then fourth place we have Teshi with the twenty two point nine.
Third place is Low Real Legend with the twenty four point sixty four. They
jump up there to Nick Turbo with his thirty one point six one and in
first place currently leading everybody. I'll be whoa we have at this point,
like eighty players or something. Adam Asleep is leading with thirty two point seventy
nine points, so very very good stuff there, Uh, Mike, Yes,
about where's our names? Well, here's the captains leader board where aj
Minatti, Benji Bop, Jeffrey Grubb, Mike Manatti, and myself Turbo Shot
all have zero points. Because none of us have a nine games released yet,
I'll show we all picked games that'll be later in the year, because
I think a lot of us like got stuff like person and three and like
a dragon sniped out of it. We pick. Yeah, I got percent
of three in the Giant Bomb League is happy for that, but I wasn't
able to get up and I really took Final Fantasy right away and then yeah,
you'retty sure I paid first in my least I paid foul fasy And we'll
get you know, reviews for that in a little bit here, but for
now, none of us have any points on the board. What was your
first draft picking this, Lee, Jeff, Mine was the three D Mario
game, so hopefully that comes out. Yeah, I hope that. I'm
looking at my list right now, give me a second. I thought you
replicated your Giant Bomb one a little bit like I did, jeffere I thought
you got like Mario and Freud. No, my mind is actually much different
now that I thought so too. Yes, I went because there was not
much left when it got to me, and so I went with one that
I'm like, I'm pretty certain this is going to get around in eighty five
to maybe even a ninety because it is a particular kind of game. Microsoft
Flight Simulator twenty four, that's right. So I'm like, yeah, that
could that could do well for me. I think she was added the thought
there from doing to that. Yes, that's the twenty twenty four that's going
to be the I think that's the last game that has that. So yeah,
twenty twenty four is a whole new game. Yeah, well that is
going to do it for the little quick update that we have here. And
I would just like to say everyone that if you are interested in this and
every thing that's going on, the league is currently full. But I talked
to Bob about this. We're gonna do something a little different this year since
some people just petered out to the point of not playing last year. Inevitably
that's gonna happen again. We're not gonna immediately kick people. But if we
notice that people just you know, aren't really doing anything at all, or
we are going to reach out to them and say, hey, do you
do you still want your spot? Do you still want to play? And
if some people are like, you know what, actually, I'm good,
we might be able to get more players in here. So if you're already
a patron or you know this, this interests you and you want we're interested
in becoming a patron to join, keep an year out, will keep you
updated throughout the year. And if that does happen, hey, maybe come
come play with us, Come join in the league and have a little fun
predicting some scores here. I'm trying to see what's available in my league.
Oh okay, conference, make some moves, all right? Anything else?
Sean, Nope, that'll do it? All right? Awesome, let's uh,
let's you know what the real quick break while I get set up for
the next thing. We'll be right back after this twenty fifteen and we're back.
We're gonna talk about the best games in twenty fifteen. We've been doing
this for a while now, we started what we started at nineteen five.
Wow, okay, so we have done that would make thirty years of games?
What is that? What they oh, twenty years? No, that'd
be twenty twenty years. Yes, there, that makes more sense, Jesus,
good attempt at Matt, Yeah, math, Yeah, that's why the
games journalists everybody. Yeah, so twenty years of games. That means we've
done this for twenty different weeks. We're kind of getting caught up now,
but twenty fifteen's where we're at. Mikey want to explain to people how we
do this. Yeah, we've been going through all the year's past and trying
to pick the five best games of that year. We are basing this off
of us release here, something that is mattering less and less as we get
further along here, Jeff, which is kind of interesting about video games itself.
But yeah, Jeff and I are going to figure this out. We're
going to get some input from the community. Jeff, twenty fifteen messes me
up, because this is the most like I look at these games. To
me, these are all games that like, oh, those just came out,
and it's oh, that's almost ten years ago. Oh no, yes,
that is at a certain point. I remember, this is like a
thing I always remember when we start talking about something like that. I talked
to one of the people that was like a main guy at Netflix early on.
I'm like, what about games? He's like what Once games are old,
people stop caring about him and no one wants to run him anymore.
And then like a few years later, Witcher three came out, and I'm
like, that's done. That's so people just will play Witcher three forever.
It seems like I guess, really, something hasn't come out where it's like,
well, this is like some giant leap ahead of Witcher three. We
finally got other RPGs that matter, like probably three, but it's different than
Witcher three. We didn't just get another like that. But obviously with five
years of technology on its side, no, right, And so yeah,
there are a lot of games this year that are just like these could release
today. And I mean god, I mean the has four generations started in
twenty thirteen, right, So yes, so yeah, so yeah, we're
like heavy into like just kind of what I do still consider modern day general
like current gen gaming, because it's been a very continual thing in going into
the PS five and Xbox Series X and S. All right, Mike,
that said, a lot of really good games came out in twenty fifteen,
some very good games. Where do you want to start, Well, you
already said, how about What's your three of the woud Hunt? Yeah?
Absolutely, that is a very big game. And I'm always really impressed when
like a game in a series comes out and yet totally feels like in excuse
me, entity on its own, like what's your one and two's existence?
Does it even really matter? Because here's what's your three? It's going to
be a much bigger deal and it is a ton of fun. It kind
of is like the successor to skyrimen some ways of being this big, open
RPG, and it's different because you are playing as this bespoke character. It's
a much more crafted world. But that's sort of the charm of it is
just how well crafted it is, even like the smallest side quest have unique
little storylines and dialogue options and all that good stuff. Yeah, you kind
of said it right, like like Witcher three sort of is one of the
games that changed how games age. Really, Yes, I think there are
different games that were on that spectrum before that. I mean, clearly Skyrim
is something that gets released NonStop, but something is even more timeless in terms
of design and look and feel with the Witcher three than even Skyrim. So
yeah, for me, it's got to be Super Mario Maker. That's an
all time experience for me in terms of playing a video game where I love
the tools. Obviously they're very cool, but really just getting into a back
and forth with someone like where I was the player this other person I think
it was Danish or something. I don't honestly even know the person, but
we were doing doing the review process and I started playing some of their levels,
found them on Twitter and said, hey, your level, it's a
real pain in the ass. He's like, oh yeah, well guess what,
I want to make a couple more for you. And we just kept
going back and forth and it was such a cool and unique thing and the
game is so good at enabling that. Like at the same time, I
remember, like, you know, Dan making levels for Patrick Kleppik and how
amazing that was to watch, and then well, you know, watching the
Giant Bomb guys make levels with the community and having so much fun with that.
Uh. Super Mario Maker is a very special game for me. Uh,
and it's definitely one of the ones that I have like the most fondness
for in terms of like that was a cool thing that happened and maybe could
never really happen for me again, but I'm so glad that that it did.
I never really quite liked Mario Maker as much as you did Jet,
but I definitely like it. I definitely people it is. Yeah, it's
it's it's a ton of fun. It's really neat. Undertail actually came out
this year, Jeff, Yeah, Undertails again. Like Undertail a lot.
I feel like it's the games that people are almost sort of sick of hearing
about, but it really is super impressive as not just one man but largely
a kind of a one man show, definitely one person's vision here speaking sort
of subvert of of what an RPG means and having that earthbound influence for sure,
but doing something really different with the combat, where the combat is kind
of like just the dodging Buwitz part of a schmup. And then there's all
these different twists on that one of the all time great soundtracks. It's the
little moraleity system is fun. So I thing about Undertail that is really unforgettable
the Sands boss fight is one of my favorite boss fights in any video game
ever. You have Meglavania playing during that Undertail really is pretty incredible. Yeah.
I enjoyed Undertail. I played it, beat it. I did not
get into the like, oh the Pacifist runs, and like when I was
playing the story and kind of like getting into with the characters and understanding the
metaphors of like, yeah, I get it, this character is like obsessed
in a weird way that is like, oh, clearly that's not how you're
supposed to be. And I'm just not someone who really needed those lessons,
so like it was like, yeah, of course this is right, Like
this person having this hard time, you know, handling their fandom in a
way that is responsible, Like yeah, don't be that way. It was
like, Okay, I was not blown away the way some people were,
but I appreciate everything that is there. It is a fun game. It's
a cool game of cool characters, and the soundtrack is just an all time
great soundtrack. Absolutely. Rocket League one of the best sort of arcade sports
games ever made. It is a genre defining in terms of multiplayer online sports
games, and it's the kind of thing that anyone can pick up and immediately
understand what they need to do to be to participate in the fun, and
they will begin having that fun immediately. And at the same time, it
has enough enough depth to support the incredible e sports scene that it does have,
one that is not like necessarily, oh this developer keeps it going because
it's part of their marketing campaign. It's like, no, there are people
who are just desperately love this and it's a grassroots effort and Rocket League deserves
it deserves that stuff onto itself because it's earned that and it's just that good.
It's a kind of game that, Hey, if someone said, hey,
do you want to go play Rocket League right now? I would jump
in immediately. I would love to play some Rocket League at any moment throughout
my life. And you know, there's kids coming into Rocky League every day
still and they just like that becomes their game. Yeah. Man, nine
years Rocket League has been going. That's impressive. Yes, and it's just
sort of maintained that strong support throughout that entire time. Orian the Blind Forest,
Jeff, you know that I absolutely love these Orias games. You know,
I know that the sequel is a lot of ways kind of a bigger,
better one here that there is still a ton about the first Ori that
is incredible, some really amazing story beats. The game is still just absolutely
gorgeous. It's as good as a two D game ever looked. Another fantastic
soundtrack. I love those sort of epic sequence like escape moments. Those are
a ton of fun for me. Yeah, gosh, I love Orri.
Just just seeing like these pictures in this Wikipedia makes me happy. Yeah,
it's it is a very good game. I think I lost a little bit
of steam with it near the end, but not enough to like really hold
it against it. I think the combat and OR two is such a revelation
that it is kind of it recontextualizedes like how I felt about or in the
Blaed Forest a little bit in this game. It is it's like you have
a homing attack. You just kind of mashed it and it hits the enemies
that are near you. And I was fine with that at the time because
this game was so much more about the platforming. But it is better within
combat system in the sequel, and it's a good game. It really is
a good game. Yep. I'm gonna do this one. First Fallout four
is a good video game. It's a really good video game. Now I
understand some of them about it, and I understand the two schools have thought
about complaining about it, where some people do say it's more of the same
and more people are upset that had changed some of like the RPG elements.
For me, I was very happy to be there for the immersive sim side
of things, where it's like I'm just picking up stuff and I'm going to
go build my base and I'm going to put that stuff in there, and
I'm going to build a garage to house all my power armor, and then
I'm going to have a few relationships with a couple of cool people that are
cool characters that I really really like, and we're going to go on some
adventures and have a good time, and it's a cool setting, and I
just there's a lot for me to like about Fallout four. I really really
did enjoy it, and I knew at the time that I enjoyed it more
than most people. Coming out of the review period, I'm like, I
really like that, and I heard a lot more reservations for more people,
and I'm like, no, I just straight up like it. So it's
one of the I'm like, I want to consider for this list. We'll
see how much of a shot it has. All I want to say is
that I was looking at the Wikipedia page for twenty fifteen video games, and
you like, you see what game one like the big Game of the Year
awards, which are three won the most, somehow falls for one the second
most. I'm momentum right say, looking at these games that we've been talking,
it's a really good year. Yes, very good year. Yeah,
there's yeah, God, there are a couple that are like obviously considered more
highly than Fallout four at this point, and some that I think should have
been at the time for sure, like Bloodborn. Like Blood Born, Yes,
that's definitely the one I lied of Born came out in twenty fifteen.
Man, that game's almost ten years old. That's pretty nuts to me.
Yeah, Like, aside from the gaping like stuck at thirty fps, that's
basically just how good games look in a lot of ways. I think it
was really neat to take that successful you know, Dark Souls formally had now
and just give it a bit of an aesthetic shake up, although there's still
a lot of you know, stuff that's going to remind you of dark souls,
of all the monsters. But I really liked the Knight's victorian vibe of
this game. Really well crafted world, all the branching paths were fun.
A lot of mentor roble bosses. This was the Soil I Owner Ring.
This was the only one of them I had actually played through and beaten,
but I did because it was a very good time. Uh. I love
Metal Gear Solid five. That's a good video game. How do you feel
about that one? I also really like Medical Gar Solid five. I I
am hard on Melgar Solid five just because its faults are even though they're all
small faults, they're so glaring that they bother me. And they probably because
I know Metal Garsli five is so close to being one of the best games
ever, and that then these faults, you know, like the story just
kind of doesn't end because they didn't get to make the last chapter. You
get so much of the plot through these audio tapes, just kind of standing
your base and listen to. But gosh, that gameplay is incredible. That
game feels so good to play. Yeah. I think that's the thing that
really just surprised me is like, oh my god, this is such a
next gen idea of what metal gear could be when you're actually playing it and
it's such a satisfying loop. Yeah. I like that game a lot,
so definitely up for consideration. For me, is this the year that Banetta
two came out? Now? Was last year? Because last year? It
okay? Yeah right, okay, this the list last year? That's okay,
that's what I was trying to remember. All right, you have anything
else? Or should we maybe start get to some of the podcast producers?
One more please, honey pop? Well, I think we have our number
one? There you go, all right, let me get to this going,
let me go back here for is a girl? What? All right?
God? This is actually got It seems like it's gonna be a tough
year to come down. It's gonna be a hard year. Yeah, yeah,
sure. I also don't necessarily think there's an obvious number one for me.
Maybe there is for you. I'm not sure. No, not really
no, not really so okay, like I know, I think I know
what, like your personal number one would be? Maybe what my personal number?
Yeah right, yeah, like the obvious consensus number one is not occurring
to me? All right, crange is mc basketball, says the Witcher three
wild Hunt, Queifer Sutherland says, crypt of the Necro Dancer. Mike,
I knew they were going to start doing this where like, hey, they're
paying, they're going to make the names weirder and weirder, and that definitely
started happening last week and it's like, all right, here we are Quefer
Sutherland, crypt of the Necro Dancer. The mods can change your name,
right if it comes down to that, so I can, Yes, we
can, we can do that. The line, hey, I appreciate your
creativity, Queen for Soviet No, no, no, no, the line
is Quefer Sutherland. If you go on the other side of that line,
you're wrong. That's good. Quefer Sutherland's fantastic. It's far and no further
the line bet Yeah. Uh, mister Bowler says Splatoon, which, yeah,
that's a great game too. Part of me is like it just got
supplanted by Splatoon two and then Splatoon three. Yeah, I mean there was
something fun about you know, Ninton doesn't make a lot of big swings of
a new franchise very often at all. So this was coming out and it
was on the WIU, and boy did the Wii you need a shot of
something, so it was almost a shameless like the Wii, so just just
Splittoo being on the switch this more popular console did so much for that series.
But Splatoon one did have a lot of that stuff right away, and
it also did have like a surprisingly good single player campaign, so there was
a lot to really like it Splatoon from the very beginning. Ninton Derek from
with the super Chat says, don't forget Arkham Knight. Very fun game.
Mike. How do you feel about Arkham Knight. I am also a bit
of an Arkham Knight defender. I was always a little surprised, like I
get the complaints, Like you know, the Arkham Night character doesn't do a
whole ton for me. The story's not the greatest here. I never understood
the complaints with the batmobile. I always thought the batmobile was really fun in
this game. So I don't know, do you should put it on the
list? M M Now I don't have to put it on the list,
but uh man. That so that was uh nine years ago. Was Rock
Saidy's last game until Suicide Squad came out this year, and now it's going
to be another nine years until their next game. That's how this works now,
huh well, I mean it's gonna be longer because Suicide Squad is going
to just keep going as a live service game and they're gonna have to support
that. So that's how this works now. Oh my god, uh low
rule, says Ori in the Blind Forest, Kas Bookers has just caused three.
That's that's a fun one for sure. I still think of just cost
two first. Uh don't like, which one do you go back to if
you're just going to play one? Just cause now? Is for the one
where people are like, oh right, that's enough of that. I I
mean, I could you go back to just cost two. I think that's
the one that has the most mod support I thought, but maybe not bopple
Bop to see bob fin Rebop, says mad Max. This is one I
kind of just want to play. I have never really. I think I
played it a little bit, but I mad it. Actually three I thought
was kind of fun. Yeah, It's like that thing where it came to
everyone's like yeah, it's like all right, and then like six months later
people were like, no, you all slept on that. That was really
good. Yes, exactly. That was like an immediate sleeper hit. I
think I maybe I should make time to play that on the website. That'd
be fun. Uh. Mitsurugi says Heroes of the Storm. I did like
hero sor I like heroes storm boards, and I liked any of like the
other MOBAs just because he storm. Right, it's just not really getting new
like characters right now. It's definitely not. Yeah, it did simplify it
a bit, and you know what, I think MOBAs could use a bit
simplification and a lot of times there's too much for me. All right.
Nick Turbo says until dawn, I'm gonna play this when it comes to PS
five and PC later this year, I've know I will maybe watch you play
it. How about that? Well, it's got that like, it's got
the like online like we can like vote on stuff mode. We could just
all play it together. Democracy. No, it's just like go with your
What the fuck did you just say? Oh? Spread democracy? And unless
that's something that they added that I don't know about, that's uh, that's
not actually a thing. It's uh. I think it's something they've had in
their recent game. So I'm just assuming that they'll put it into this.
Oh okay, because the original, the original release did not have that.
But okay, that's that's more funny because then we just be a discord call
with you and just yell at you, un tell you right that exactly that
works as well. Okay, well we'll see show. Ji Koto says Bloodborne.
Uh. Tommy pencils as a picture of tumorro Hussin looking very stern with
a picture of Bloodborn. I said so many nice things about blood Boorn best
friend, Please don't be mad at me. Tears of the boomer Pal twenty
seventy seven says Rocket League. Yep, very good choice. Lenny Cool,
Dick Denver. I think this is Xeno Blade Chronicles ex if I had to
guess it, sure is? Which is I never got to play it.
I assume some kind of Remester remake is going to hit us eventually. Here
something but it looks like AI generated and not something. But it looks really
cool, looks really cool. And the Flying Show it's cool. Uh.
Corley Pooh says middle Gear Solid five. The Phantom Pain uh s The WUSP,
says Curbal Space Program, which actually is one of the best games that
year. I love kerbl Space programs so much. Watch the Giant Bomb series.
They did a being in a project. This is just incredible. It's
good stuff. I suppose I never got more into Kerbel Space Program. I
started up a few times and like, okay, it's indeed, I never
really got into it. I adore that game. RBR Timmins says or in
the blind Forest input name here says Rocket League, joy Zee says Undertail,
Jmi H. Christmas Eve says Wolfenstein the Old Blood, which I think is
the DLC. Right, I never actually played this. I should give that
a shot. Expand alone, maybe that the expand that's right, it's pretty
good. Should go to a shot. Adam Adam GC says Star Wars Battlefront,
the first one I did have. Hey, look, I mean,
like, I know that game shortcomings, but I had fun with Star Wars
Battlefront. I did. I did too. I downloaded Star Wars Battlefront two
onto my rag alloy so I can play that every once in a while.
Which how funny would it be if we start if we put these newer bathroom
games on the list, when we snubbed those old ones that all the kids,
that's perfectly the same thing to do. No, what he's going on?
You said, just draught there, Christian no, Dirk says Axiom Verge.
I think, yeah, look, Axie Bridge is fine, It's good.
Uh, I think I think it is overrated. I think it's all
righty. It didn't do a whole lot for you when I played through.
It doesn't do a ton for me. Hammond of Texas says Fallout four Michael
Riley's middle middle Gear Solid five. Fud Sack says Rocket League. Uh,
this is what AI thinks. Sexy Grub looks like I was gonna say,
this looks like an AI version of Rocket League. It's a man wearing with
with with a beard and long hair looking at the camera with Rocket League behind
him. You look like you're in a commercial for soap or something. Yeah,
it definitely looks like a Nivia for men. Super Harmon says Monster Hunter
for Ultimate. I was wondering if anyone was gonna bring this up. That
was a good one, the best Monster Hunter after war Bench, JC says
Skylanders Superchargers is that Donkey Kong? Yeah, I remember you had Donkey Kong
and I don't remember this and Bowser were in the WEI version of this.
This was like had to be one of the last Skylanders. I can't remember
exactly, but we were get the tail end here. Uh. Edging to
Daisy says that names what was I saying? I think this is one of
the ones I was like, made me think of this. Uh that's also
the line everybody edging todays, he says. Super Mario Maker Alex says,
this is this bloodborne that's gotta be blood borne. I think it's bloodborn.
Hostess StarCraft at two leaves see the Void, Legacy of the Void, Thank
you, Uh Korea freak Etien says, Ali Ali Too, Welcome to Olliwood.
I am pretty good. I can't get into the Ali Ali games.
I don't know what it is. It's my heart that is sad. I
have like no ill will towards them, and I'm glad other people like them.
But I tried for like about two and a half hours to dig Ali
Ali World when it came out, and I was just like, hmmm,
this doesn't feel right to me, And then I don't know. Two X
Champ beef Hammer says, why I'm gonna read the fucking thing on the screen?
Undertail? Undertail? Despite everything, Ye, it's still you. Uh.
Doom Middle Crossing says life is strange. You ever played any of the
Life Is Strange games. Oh, I guess maybe I'm super wrong, but
these are very much like those Telltale kind of games. It's just not my
thing. Oh right, I mean it's it's more than that. But so
they got a little bit more like involved, like gameplay wise, you you
do more, it's more interesting. It's just there. But I think I
would I think you would like Life is Strange more than I would ever recommend
you play a Telltale game. But it's also not my thing, so I'm
sure I wouldn't hate it. It's not high on my priority list of games
I haven't played that I want to get to always be clothing Slash Corny says,
middle Gear Solid five, The Phantom Pain. Uh there's the famous once
you recognize you. Yeah, the ashamed of your words indeed secret idiot.
Uh huh, yes, that's that's good stuff. Uh. Sledge Ryan holds
Soma. I I think I played a little bit of Soma. Is that
the scary robot one? I can't say this. It rules pretty good.
Yeah, it's from the Amniesia people. Doctor Ryan U does a super Mario
maker. This is a really good stream. Uh. I was there when
they're like, yeah, put the Yeah, the Giant bomb stream where they
did the Police State out of coins, and I think about that all the
time. Police States just a very funny thing to say. Octo says,
down well, man, that's good. Yes, that was a very good
game. Is that. I think that's on Steam right as well as Mobile
down Walls like a downward shooter where it's like you're always just shooting down and
they like that can like propel your character up, but you're also supposed to
like go down the well and see how far you can get. It's a
good game. Matt Rare Monkey says, Yaku's a five. I never played
it. Sorry. Isaac Clark says Timbo the Badass Elephant. It's just so
weird to me that the Pokemon people made a game with a swear in the
title. Yeah. Warden Cliff says box Boy like Timbo and box Bloyer,
but both ones I hear people bring up all the time. I've never played
either one. It's just such a thing as a games of sex being too
minimalistic for me, but apparently for you. Box Boy is a grub game.
It's one million, a little but something. Then thoughts on a box,
I will I'll give it a shot. That sounds like fun. Uh,
screaming Madden says Madden sixteen. No, no, no, but but
but in front of God? What is this contradictions? Thank you? Yes,
another legendary chime bomb. Let's play feature media. Yes, I like
talking about this giant boss from before I was on it. Who cares?
It's you should stake it out? Uh? And in Goldie Okay, it's
NBA two K sixteen with the ghost game written on top of it. Now
I'm just confused, So I'm just gonna I've often confused. Yeah, the
NBA Terioki Blues Dying Light the first one I actually did was hoping someone would
bring this up. That's a really good game. I like it much more
than I like Dying Light too. A big part of is it like nighttime?
Is like actually night It's like actually dark out, and I don't know.
It just was very scary and also had great parkourse stuff at the same
time. J D. Camp is this that's medal gear. That's why that's
right. I just saw the anime character and it threw me off. And
then Slain says witch your three Willow Davis says Mebo Festival, Mebo Festival with
the smallest picture of the Amia Festival. I kind of ever see lazier Wolf,
says Richard. Three to take it? What five says Bloodborn. Mike
is wrong about blood Born? Wait lock I was wanted defended. I am
generally sometimes kind of hard ish on Bloodborn, but I if there's a centipate
it, I would think I'm wrong about it. Probably is that one Clink,
says Mini Metro Man that came out in twenty fifteen, nine years ago.
Huh, the Metro is pretty good. Villain Max's middle gear Solid five
Cox t versus the Tallos. Principal Zoobmer says fall Out four is RPG game
of the year. Uh DMC depressed me crying, says Splatoon. Adam asleep
says, uh, what is this? What is this? Oh Warrian Luigi
dream Team? Yes, this dream Team dream Team that was the one that
lost me. It was like every screen there was a new, like very
long tutorial And it's a shame because it's like it's like a good game with
a lot of good stuff in it, but those cons are a lot yes,
great concept and like there's a lot of great execution. It is just
so many tutorials in the paper Jam paper Jam. Okay, g I assumed
it was dreaming the game is paper Jam. They might have picked the wrong
gift, okay, well, who knows. They maybe made too many of
those real quickly. By the way, Also, yeah, god, that's
right. I don't remember this segment from and I played dream Team and not
paper Jam, so maybe this is paper Jam. I don't know. Uh,
Wong Gifts says Trails of Cold Steel. I just want to play these
because I like Trails in the Sky. But like that series went three D
with this one, so it's like, you you go from kind of these
nice pixel graphics that's sort of ugly cheap three D graphics, and it just
doesn't look nearly as interesting to me. Tea money Og says already the Blind
Forest, Big Tony says, Zeno Blake Chronicles X like a dig like a
Dylan Infuite. Well says Rainbow six Siege. Oh gosh, this is the
game that was bad and then became a hit. Yes, it's very good.
I like see Ja Tome. I don't know if it's bad, you
know, it's it was never it was just slight. I think it was
out of the gate. It was just slight and people weren't quite sure if
they were going to be it or not. Yeah, it was Selim Uh
Yes, Vision forty nine says Bloodborne Uh Input Notta Eater said, ww Mortals,
that's a good pull. That more is that Nether Real mobile game?
Yes, exactly. We're where all of the wrestlers are actually like superhumans and
stuff. It's it was. It's a great idea. Get this as like
a console game like this was on console. This would this would be a
like an all time like a Sleeper classic. Alex Markle says, honey,
pop there it is. Tink says you must Build a Boat. This is
another one I've never played. I know people love this, but I never
played. You must build a Boat. Cry orisis seven, said Heaven's Word.
Final Fantasy fourteen. Yeah, very very, very very good expansion here
for fourteen. Not the best expansion. Are you waiting until we get to
the best expansion before you try to put it on the list. Yeah.
Look, I was like, I'm not gonna like put multiple fop basy fourteen
expitches on these lists to be so nah. Turbot Shawn says Mortal Kombat X,
even though I would say Mortal Kombat ten, you guys be like,
that's not right, even though it's the tenth game. It's you're all good.
Mortal Kombat X from from Turbo Shawn wraps it up though, from the
podcast producers. All right, so Let's Get Back is very good. Uh,
I like it. I just when when I was playing through those and
I think I think X's story I might be complaining him. Now I think
I was okay, but none of them are the one that's like I like
it because it's like, hey, we're gonna do Mortal Kombat four story again,
but this time Johnny Kage's daughter is here. Right. Yeah, I
did actually like a lot of that stuff. But I think most people think
it's the best playing of those. I remember. The complaint was that the
graphics were real kind of dark, as was the style at the time,
Like eleven is definitely a better looking game, and so is Mortal Comeback one.
But there's something to the way Mortal Combat ex play that was really good.
Muted there we go, all right, I'm just gonna add honey pop
and then we'll go from there. So he didn't add honey pop already I
brought it up. Yeah, it was a failure of me as your friend.
I'm sorry. I agree. All right, we have five slots.
We have more, way more than that Honeypop, way more than in terms
of games, Mike, where do we start here? Actually, you know
what. Here's what we have, which are three Super Mario Maker, Undertail,
Rocket League or in the Blind Forest, Fallout four, Bloodborne, Metal
Gear, Solid five, the Phantom Pain and Honey Pop. Here's where I
want to start. I don't want to fall Out four on this fucking list.
Wait, I I refuse to believe you were to play this game today
that you would actually hate it. I don't hate it. I don't hate
it. It it's yeah, I don't want to reward it for kind of
making the series worse. Yeah, now I get it, Like it is
so a fun game. All that bass building stuff is so much unnecessary fuff
that has nothing to do with anything. If if it's fun building a base,
fine. Can't believe they just brought it back in Starfield and it is
somehow still just disconnected from like every other system in the game. It's like
kind of worse in Starfield. Ye, it's worse at Starfield. It's maddening.
Yeah, Like, look like so much of the fun for me is
sart of that RPG stuff like, oh, like, you know, I'm
gonna talk to this person, and because I have this trait, this conversation
is going to happen. There's just a lot less of that here. I
think that they kind of tryharded with the story in a way that I didn't
really enjoy. Not that the story is amazing and Fallout three necessarily either.
There was not that many memorable characters. Piper is fine. I did like
Valin. It's clearly not a terrible game. There was some good side quest.
That one where you become like that paulp superhero thing was fine. But
I don't know. I think that the trend of Bethesda maybe slipping a bit
definitely starts here for me. Yeah, I think a lot of the changes
it made were some of are bad, but for the most part, I'm
like that. I'm fine with this. They're trying different things and it worked
for me. If you begin to put it on a timeline and look at
the trends, I see what you're saying. I know exactly what you mean,
and I think you're also probably right, look it it's definitely not a
bad game. It's a good game. It's not one of the five best
games of this very good year. Yeah. I mean for me might squeak
in at five, but even for me, it's like a question mark there.
Yeah, I am this is gonna be hard because I see a lot
of games that I think one of us really likes in the other one is
maybe okay with Yeah, listen, I'm like, I've tried Witcher three bunch
of times. I just don't think that game's very fun. Really, yeah,
really, Because like I was gonna say, man, I don't know
if we cannot have what your three on the list, but you really yeah,
that's right. You don't like what your three? I forgot. I
mean, I'm not saying doesn't have to be on the list. I just
don't think it's fun to play. Yeah, yeah, that fun you have
like the combat and the magic and you're pairing. I like the idea of
like getting like understanding, like Okay, we're going after this thing. I'm
gonna need to prepare all this stuff and go out there and do that.
I think that stuff's pretty neat. But then I go and do it.
I'm just I don't know. I don't want fun playing it. I don't
hate it, and I don't think other people should like subscribe to my opinion
on it because people are finding fun that I'm just not And I'm okay with
that. It's our list, Jeff. But so you don't want it on
the list. I'm not saying that. I just I don't. I don't.
I don't want it a number one if we can avoid it. No,
hey, if you if you say you straight up, they'll think it's
fun. I'm not gonna push for number one. No, that's fine.
Then what can be number one? Here? Yeah? I mean, man
talking about for me, Rocket League is actually probably number one. I mean
you're wrong, though, that face is long. Look I like Rocket League.
I don't know. I don't want to be some snob. He's like,
that's just not enough of a video game for me. Of course,
I don't feel like that. I like Rocket League. I played like I
played trying to convince here, I don't know. I like Rocket League.
Yeah, it's neat soccer boat cars, that's cool. Why do you have
to say it like that? But you were gonna go, yeah, it's
fantastic. It was great it's still great today. It's a very good game.
I was, yeah, like I was prepared for you to try to
get on the list, and I was gonna be ready for that. I
just didn't think you're immediately gonna go number one. I mean, listen,
and well, I do think like a super Mario Maker probably would be my
real number one. I just what I thought you're gonna say it. I
thought I was gonna talk you down from that one. I was ready for
that, right. Rocket League is just such a a simple game to get
into, and it's everyone likes it. Everyone can have a good time with
it, and and it holds up for a reason. So I don't know,
to me, like it's like kind of a default number one, but
we don't have to actually do that. I'm listen. I'm fine with Bloodborne.
I played a lot of blood Born. We won't put that number one.
I'm down with that, But I don't know if you actually want to
put it number one. Maybe not. I don't know. We both like
Bogar Saw at five, don't we? Oh, let's put Nugar said five
at number one? Yeah? Do that for now? Yeah? All right?
Cool? Like didn't blood Born at two? Maybe actually that's fine,
all right. Uh then Rocket League at three and then Super Mario Maker four.
All right, look if you get those two, then I went undertail.
Oh that's I like undertail. I went undertail at three. I don't
know about that. You're getting two of yours. That sounds like blood borne
that much until out to Time's blood Born down and move everything else up,
and then I'll move undertail that three. See what you want to do?
What you want to do? Listen, I don't know if I want to
do this. I would being pretty hasty there. How quickly you threw the
blood board the track? Then there we go. Well, no, that's
not exactly right either, Okay, undertail at three? Yeah, and then
maybe okay, actually, now that I look at it like this, like
okay, super Mario Maker at two and then Rocket League, I I really
think blood which should be above Rocket League? All right, all right,
it's not. But this is enough super relationship. But you need to realize
that, chef. Hey, I listen, I've got Super Mario Maker up
at two. Like what I'm taking what I can get here. I don't
even bring up Ori. Go look my push is really coming went in the
sequel for that one. Yeah, yeah, real, yeah, that I'll
be pushing. That's probably thing with Ori and the ply Force. It's funny.
Also, they could just be like one of your favorite games. Ever
the sequel comes out like no, that one is now oh yeah, totally
kind of like that Honey Pop shit, Oh Honey pop too. We'll get
that one on. All right, let's let's reassess fall Out four? Absolutely
not? All right? Is this our list? Mike? I can't tell
anymore. It actually looks like a good list when I'm looking pretty good.
Yeah, all right, so number one middle gear, Saw five than Super
Mario, Maker, Undertail, Bloodborne. Number five is rocket League. I
get a lot of people, yes, I think, but what can you
do? Well, yeah, because they're gonna be like Rocket League should definitely
be above Bloodborne. I don't know why that old Rocket League. You just
threw so many curve balls at me on that one. I was trying to
keep you on your toes a little bit there. Yeah, all right,
so a number one, right, Rocket League is easily to be number one
on this list. You are legit just wrong about that. Let's be clear,
like you are just wrong. I don't know, I do know.
I can't run a poe anymore. Some of our poll is it's Rocket League
number one. Well, okay, you don't have to say it like that.
It's Rocket League, the best game of twenty fifteen everybody. Oh okay,
well, why can't you guys run poles anymore? I don't know.
I never was able to run How poles work on YouTube? I can do
them a giant Bob dot com. Yeah, we'll go over there. Uh,
Jeff, do you want to do you want me to read these out
for you or yea reading one more time for everybody. Best Games of twenty
fifteen number five, Rocket League, number four, Blood Born, number three,
Undertail, number two, Super Mario Maker, and the number one Medaga
five The Phantom Pain, which again games has like these these small gLing faults
that bobabe, but overall just a fantastic game. There you go, all
right, one more quick break. We're gonna get back. We're going to
talk about what we've been playing, and then get out of here. Everybody,
thanks for sticking with us, and we're back. Let's talk about what
we've been playing. Mike, I've been spending some time with Bilatro, mostly
with the demo version. I can't I actually don't. I should check the
embargo, but I played so much of the demo version. That's what I'm
speaking about here again. Rules. It's a lot of fun, It's got
a lot of cool ideas. This is the poker deck building game that we've
been talking about over on Giant Bomb. I think I might have talked a
little bit about it on one of these shows. It continues to be really
fantastic. It's the kind of game that will swallow up my life. So
I am like, yeah, I need to just put that aside until I
have a little bit more time or get through some of these bigger games.
Other than that, it's been continues to be like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and
then some review games. But like Dragon, here's the poll. Is it
fine as is on the list or does should it be higher? Finance is
one with sixty five percent higher with only thirty four percent? Sorry, Hey,
I like that card game. Also, I got to play it.
I enjoy it. I want to play more of it. It's a I
also like poker a good deal, so doing Rogue like poker game, that's
a fantastic idea. Yeah, I mean, there's a history of like poker
getting video game of fighted in a bunch of different ways, ways a poker
smash. It was like an early Xbox Live arcade game that I really liked.
It was like a act like an active puzzle game, and that one
was really really good, and I think I think it's still backward compatible on
Xbox. I think you could still play it. And it's like, oh,
yeah, we haven't had one of those in a long time. So
someone kind of bringing this along and actually being really well designed, really well
thought out. I really really enjoy it. But then, yeah, like
a dragon, I keep I'm keeping my momentum going with that. I'm getting
out of this recent CUREU in Japan chapter, which has a lot of like
what I can tell is nostalgia for people who longtime fans of the series,
and that it like feels like a proper sort of passing of the torch.
That is what a lot of people are explaining to me, and I can
tell like just my planet, it's like, yeah, it seems like there's
a lot of stuff. It's like remember this, remember this, remember this.
Here's this little thing like tied up in a nice neat bow that is
probably very emotional for people who experience this originally, and even for me,
I'm like, this is really well done, so just overall continues to be
a really, really great game. It compared it to like that Shadow Moses
chapter Melgressoft Forward. I immediately understood what he meant with that. Yeah,
how about you, Mike, what do you what have you been filming?
Like, you know what twenty fifteen game. We didn't mention it at all.
It's a little messed up to me, because that was a good game.
It seems like everybody forgot about it. Is Shadow or a Rise of
the Rise of the tom Raider. That's yeah, that's the tourmb Rader one
that I really like that. Yeah, it's the best of that trophy and
it's the probably the best turmb Rador game. It's all snowy and I like
the yeah tombs were fantastic. So just a shout out to Rise of the
Tomb Raider. I think that's definitely agreed. Yeah we should we should have.
Least I would have put it above Rocket League, but I don't think
Jeff would have gone for well fuck no, yeah, yeah, so have
I still play Tech in eight. I still try to play at least a
little bit every day, just climbing the ladder there, and you know,
like I am climbing still, which is fun. It's that's crazy. Yeah,
it's like slowish, and I don't play a ton every day, but
like you know, like the rinks are kind of color coded, and I'm
in the orangeerry right now trying to get to the red. If I got
to the red, I think I feel pretty good about myself. I don't
know much higher than that I am ever gonna get, but it is fun.
Like I am at this point where this character I'm playing as Rena at
any moment, I know all these different moves I could do. And I'm
also at this point now where I know a lot of the other characters well
enough that I can do things like, Okay, I know in this combo,
I could maybe duck and do a low attack here, and that can
be a launcher and I can play off of that. So you know,
that's always everything of fighting games is it does reward you for the more you
play and the more you pay attention to further your expertise. Is even though
if you just wanted to play Tech and eight as this kind of I'm gonna
goof around by myself, play the story mode, played that arcade quest.
Just get all these characters endings, that alone would be worth the price of
admission. But I am glad that this Ladder experience is really good. My
connections have generally been very good, so I am really enjoying playing teching like
that. Are we officially the era of fighting games work online well enough that
it's a great way to play those games? Well, yes, we'll find
out. I'm boy am I curious what the next Smash Brothers is going to
feel like online? Accepting that? Yes, God, can you imagine how
happy I be if there was just like a don't don't please, don't say
anything people, But like if there was a no, like a no item
just one v one they like Ladder raked mode and Smash Brothers. I know,
I sound like an idiot. There is an ultimate, no, you
know what I mean? But like no, I don't. Well mean,
there's the mode to play that is an ultimate, But is it a loud
mode something a bit smash I'll get a bit more streamlined than for Glory or
whatever it was called. Enough, I'm sorry for that game for the next
That's what I mean. More than anything. Yeah, yeah, I really
like taking eight. Otherwise, it's been playing Persona three still and obviously been
really really enjoying that. I'm I got Fuka, Who's a character who I
said, uh, whose voice upset me the original Persona three, and her
voice I think is much better in this one. So I actually like this
character now, So that's nice. Good. Yeah. Yeah, So mich
Hell Divers too is so much fun, Jeff, I've had had so much
fun playing I played it with you with the Giant Bad people, and then
with my brothers. What an incredible game. Yep, it rules, I
am uh. I probably will spend some time this weekend solo queuing in that,
just to see what that's like for good things. So I'm looking forward
to And I'm not gonna use a MIC unless I end up with a one
with a friend, which from I understanding is a likely possibility for other people
are playing online that you're friends with. But otherwise, yeah, I'm just
gonna go in there and we'll try to stick together as best I can and
and emote and pointed things and just mark them and then just kind of do
my best to contribute. I've been playing tomorrow with the fire Escape people.
Actually, I assume that's not a secret, but data ask if I can
play with them. Yeah. I mentioned that you guys are going to be
doing some stuff together. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's
good. I've been playing with Randos all the time now and it's been working
fine for me. Some people use as their their mic and some people don't.
They just use the marking and you know, it's like in the world,
So it works really fine, and the connections as being good when you
connect sometimes you have to like reconnect a couple of times, but it's been
working like flawlessly since they budget so really happy with that. I think it
just continues to be like, yeah, I mean it's so hell divers one
and yet it's so much more, or it's it's or just it's just hitting
so much more in a lot of ways. And obviously a big part of
that is the way the perspective works and how they handle the visual so so
you really feel like you're in it that much more obviously, and that's really
important. But I don't know, I just really like that that game is
finding an audience and that we all kind of agree that it is an amazing
thing, and I you know, really their website says it like that a
game for everybody is a game for no one. This is a game for
people who want this kind of thing, and they just go that far in
that direction, or as far in that direction as they possibly can. Every
choice is in service of does it make it feel more dangerous? Does it
make it feel like everything matters? And it's like, yes, then that's
what we're doing. See a huge fan of hell Divers too. I'm glad
that it's a success, and glad that studio is like, hey, we
are hiring up so that we can do even more with hell Divers too.
I hope it's a long running success. All right, Mike super chats.
I think there's a handful mored Why don't you read those and then we'll get
out of here. Yeah, let me see if I can catch up here.
Chance to change stuff, get arka Knight. Green thumbs was just I
don't think there's any texting this one. There was no message there, but
thank you green thumbs. Ol Grug says, put Grow Home above Bloodborn for
tam. I never played Grow Home person. Yeah, I like a lot
zoob versus. Nora is a better protagonist than girl is Nora from Life is
strange. It's something else. No from I don't think Norraa's from Life was
strange. Nom is Nora from Honey Pop? I don't think so. I
think I remember their names. Nora video game. I think character. Let's
see somehow there's gonna be a follow Okay, sure I disagree Rogers ojesus Jeff
for love of God, you need to play box Boy. I think that's
the game. I was complaining about that. Yeah, I guess it was.
Yeah, you're like, is there such a thing as two minimalists?
And then you start going a rant. We all just ignored you. Yeah,
I was a good rant. I was making a good point. Uh,
we love this game, and you're just like, there's not enough graphics.
Look, I'm sure it's fine. I'd be look a little, I
can use a little something. I don't know, Rogers og says Jeff for
the Love of God, and you need to play that's the one I just
read. It. Look like even if a game will take an Atari game,
that would be more aesthetically interesting to be the literally just like lines.
Maybe maybe an animates really well, you don't know, maybe not. Alex
O'Leary says, found out what the Xbox podcast meats for. Tommy Tellerco is
not his name? Hams ten dollars, you said, Alex O'Leary, What
are you talking of? You said, Alex, I don't know my glasses
on Mikey, O'Leary writes, like every episode, how can I say his
name wrong? What's wrong with me? You've got me all hot? Oh?
He shoot, everybody, stand back, he's mad about box. Wait
wait, I say, Mike, I thought he said Alex Oileary. Maybe
maybe I misunderstood. Stand back. Everybody's but O'Leary says, found out what
the Xbox podcast beats for. Tommy Talla Rico, his sand Juan Capistrano homes
up for sale three billion, and it is truly garish. This is real,
well not the Xbox plot. Imagine if we bought Tommy Talla Rico's home.
All right, everybody, let's get the go fund me going. God,
oh my god. Ah. We could like run tours and stuff a
Tommy tall Rico experience to get to pay for it. I'll say, hey,
I'll give you your asking price in cash if I can keep the giddess.
Yes, of course, yeah, I leave him on the wall.
He was never on cribs. He was never actually on Man, that's incredible.
He just lies about being on fucking cribs. It's like it was like
it was like some video game show. Right. There were a lot of
people like from like that generation. I think we were so into hustle culture
that I was like, well, of course you like you. You exaggerate,
and you know they don't think it's lying. Well, you exaggerate because
you got to really promote yourself. And then the Internet happened and we can
actually just document Oh you said this on TV and it's just not true.
That's everybody. Thank you so much for the super chats. Really appreciate it.
Thank you. Hope Tommy saved this money. I think he's gonna need
it. All right, everybody, thank you for watching, Mike, thanks
for reading the super chats. Mods, thank you for your help tonight.
I really appreciate it. Thank you everybody for watching. Should we get out
of your mic? Let's get out of here, all right, I'm gonna
hit the button. A long weekend, looking forward to it. That's gonna
be nice. It's gonna be nice. Got some fun stuff happening on the
Giant Bomb tomorrow. It'll be a good time. We'll play some stuff on
UPF got a lot of stuff planned for that, might do a little bit
of a kind of a longer one, and then we'll have a BombCast revengeance.
We'll lose some fun stuff on there. I'll bring some games to talk
about probably and do is this character more or less famous than cloud Strife?
So I'm gonna have some fun with that. Other than playing games, you're
gonna like get out there. I know you had you sound like you had
a pretty social butterfly weekend last week, and are you're gonna kind of take
it easy this one with this weekend. I'm trying to think. I don't
think I have. I think there's one person wants to go out and like
I'll do that. I don't want to do. I've been very Yeah,
I've had a lot of very social weekends. I need to play a video
game this weekend is what I want to do. Yeah, for real?
He is anybody else ever triggered their own eye watches being like too loud things
just by talking? Is that how loud and obnoxious person? It sounds like
you're in a loud environment. You should exit and save yourself literally to me.
I can't leave myself just for me talking loudly my phones like oh,
you're gonna hurt your ears and Jesus, oh hell yeah, that's incredible.
No, Mike can't say that's ever happened to me. You're so quiet and
meuse Jeff, you didn't version of me, but that I never saw that
person. I'm also gonna be spending this weekend playing a lot of video games.
I'll clean up around the house a little bit. Looking forward to doing
that. I haven't had much time for that, but uh yeah, God,
I hope I could beat Like a Dragon. It is still just such
a fun game to play. I think I will, but I really want
to spend more time with some of these review games. So we'll see.
You're gonna pick up Mario Versus Donkey Kong tonight. No, I'm gonna keep
playing percent It's so funny how much we love Doky Knng ninety four. And
then I see Mars's Donkey Kong. I'm like repulsed. I'll probably pick it
up. I might wait and see if Nintendo, since the codes we'll see
usually I don't these days for Nintendo games, this one I might wait and
see. If I have so much one percent, I'm gonna play that.
Thanks for watching, everybody, catch you next time. Goodbye. He's shoot
hot about box Boy just a stupid is a stupid ass. He could all
want the fuck off. We all want we all want it right right back,
no problem. You know what, they call it a podcast because if
they call it anything else, we'll be like, oh, this is a
fucking presentation. What are they going to present? Yes, this is exactly
they can't. They can call a presentation for that exact reason, right If
they're then like, whoa present us with something, It's like it's almost like
there wasn't that much to say they're beginning with. That is like the biggest
thing where like I saw Gene like I'm not even gonna write a story about
this. I'm like, yeah, man, I'm glad I don't have to
like figure out what these headlines look like. I mean the obvious headlines.
Oh, they confirm next gen xbox Like that's se O kit now of course
cat nip go kidnap cat headline. The fanboys were fucking out of their minds,
like yeah, they're like okay, yeah, I feel like Phil has
a little bit of fault on this one, because he went like, careful,
we're gonna next week, we're gonna talk about this. This is kind
of serious. Let's be a little bit of mysterious about this. Like what
just like yeah, I mean that's why, like people wonder why like Nintendo
will say, oh, we have nothing to say on this matter, or
they just won't say anything at all, and it's because of stuff like this,
Like yes, yeah, they're just like, hey, y'all are being
crazy over there. We're gonna let you be crazy, and we're I mean
business stuff. The reality is, like I think these conversations were happening in
a much much more serious way than they're letting on here, and that they
got to those rumors starting to come out and then they're like, well,
we're gonna have that conversation like in a couple of weeks, like made me
me like more than a month away. Uh do we have to wait till
then? Or what's going on? So? Oh no, we have to
make decisions now. So let's just make the safe ones. Let's do this
stuff, and let's pull back and we'll revisit these conversations in a little bit.
Because one percent everybody let's just like reiterate this. Gears of War was
being talked about in a pretty serious way, like that is one that was
being because it doesn't mean it's happening, right, but it's like it was
being considered enough to the point where it could have happened. And so like
that, clearly they're like, well, let's not worry about that right now,
let's just talk about the four games that talking about it. I'm sure
this scared them off it a good bit. Yes, exactly right, and
I think they were happy to like retreat from that for now so they could
just go have this podcast, get that out of the way, talk about
those four games, and then revisit that stuff a little bit later after they
put out some games that people are really happy about and they can be in
a better spot. And it's like, oh man, that Indiana Jones that
was really great and we played that exclusively for quite some time, and say,
oh, you're gonna put the Gears of Work collection out on PlayStation.
Who gives a fuck? Yeah, all right, people won't care anyways,
but yes, yeah, of course of course they will. Thank you too.
All our sponsors I insert joke here, Yeah, uh have we I
guess it is kind of going to be election year. Have we started getting
political ads in our podcast? I don't think we're signed in for those.
Sometimes people, no, I know, but it's a lot of times people
people will deliberately mislabel what their ads are so they can get around that stuff.
Yes, that's what happens when we get it. Yes, I mean
there's definitely obviously the marketers, so they are inherently awful one and evil.
We got we got two uh two more segments to do here. Let's get
into it. Let's get back into it. Stop talking about politics. What
are we doing next? We're doing the bop thing? Yes, okay it,
yes see, let me get that set up. Yes, get that
set up. This will be a quick one, too. Cool. Hey,
Jeff, if I was, if I was, if we were in
high school and I was like, Hey, I'm going to try to date
a teacher. You're my friend, what would you Would you encourage me because
you think that's what a friendship do? Or would you maybe explain why it's
a bad idea? Is it like a crush sort of thing where I believe
the teacher could potentially like have a good conversation with you. About like what
human relations relationships are really about? How for a matter of months, I
am convinced that I am in a relationship with this teacher and that it is
progressing to a point where we're going Mary, Oh no, no, I
would feel a deep responsibility to get you help. I love that Jeff has
no idea where this is coming. This has got to be a pisoda.
Socialk is just wild. It just makes methinks. It's bad. It's a
game. This is a misrepresentation of what friendship is like. Friendship is just
telling them what they want to hear. That's you get the most friendship,
dude, and tell him your delusion one. Okay, the first time I
did play the game, I did see the things like what is wrong with
you? You talking about? And then it took me forever to finish that
social leak because yeah, yeah, your options are encouragement and encouragement or be
a dick and nothing changes about it. I think they could do that if
it was funny, But it's not funny. It's annoying, not funny.
I hate it. Gets a fucking loser. Yeah he's a loser. He's
annoying. I hate it, Like I've been hating it for fifteen years.
Some bad social angths in that game. I am set up over here.
Just do one last thing, America go pretty good? But that is ready?
Okay, cool, I'm set up. We're ready to go. I'll
bring this second. All right, that's just take a moment. Well,
I just get switched over to the other scene, well the other asset here.
Okayness, oh goodness, okay, next you can start giggling at entities
again my throat, all right, and then I'm sorry, but Jeff's stunt
race FX on those hose gaming is just such a good, pure very proud
of that. Yeah. I like that one a lot. Rocket Mike Adventures.
It's a solid fun it's a solid very good mic funny. What about
Crystal Dynamics, Mike with a K. That's the good stuff, Oh right,
because it's your furry thing. Yeah, all right, I'm fading in
there, we go. Let's bring this back. Give me, give me
a pus the break you want to do it in and out? Okay,
that's oh okay, that's an interesting way of putting it. I thought those
good middle ground. Yeah, that's good. I'm okay with that. No,
no, I hate it. You're luck at him put lower on the
list. It's not my fault that people have bad taste. That's just Rocket
League, rules League. There's man, that's just everything, Like, not
in a bad way, but it does everything you need to know about.
Jeff gar was like, yeah, I don't get it with the Witcher three.
Also, Rocket League was the best. Rocket League is fun and feel
good. I get it exactly. That's yeah, I get yeah. If
Witcher three felt anywhere near as good to play as Rocket League does, it
would be fucking cooking if it was a car pg rot it What are you
talking about? Rocket League is fun to play, Wicher three is not.
But there's fucking in Witcher three. You can kind of put the cars on
top of one another. Okay, listen, we don't need hey. Miss
is a miss MISSOURIU from Persona three and Jennifer from What's Your Three? Is
that the same character? I mean, Jennifer sucks though so in a way
that I like. But you can't what do you on this podcast? I
don't know. All right, let's get on this podcast. Just end this