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And it hits me, Oh my
gosh, this is at triangle. You

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know, there's explanation for everything that
occurred in the randallsham pars consider it doesn't

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involve aliens at all. It was
completely silent. It comes right over our

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heads, funny, soulciery, stunning, clearly. He turned over to my

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father and held his hand, and
he looked in his eyes and said,

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we're not alone. Welcome to podcast
UFO for our live show during the show,

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chat room, and don't forget to

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like us on our very active Facebook
page. Hello, and welcome to the

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show. I'm Martin Willis, your
host, and we have a great show

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for you today. Alejandro couldn't make
it. It's just myself and my guests.

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Chase Klutzky always enjoy talking to her. She's a lot of fun and

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I feel she's a friend. And
we are going to be talking about this

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is our happy New Year's show.
We're gonna be talking a bit a little

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bit about what is going on during
this year and then the future ahead.

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And also just to let the listeners
know, I'll be joining Lee Spiegel and

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Aljandro Rojas. We do a yearly
Year in review. That'll be coming up

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on Open Minds not this coming week, but the week after, I believe.

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So that's always a lot of fun, so you can check that out

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on Open mindstock TV. Anyway,
I appreciate as this is a New Years

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show, I do appreciate everyone that
helps out with the show. It really

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means a lot. I couldn't do
it without you. And with that,

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I am going to introduce my guest. Welcome to the show, Chase.

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Thank you. It's so exciting to
be here, especially for the New Year's

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show that I wouldn't be anywhere else. Yeah. Yes, And it was

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quite an interesting year indeed, wasn't
it. I think honestly it was one

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of our biggest years when it came
to information and change and excited men.

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So much happened in twenty and eighteen, I think so. I think so.

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Now for the listener, it's the
who. It's the first time.

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I know you've been on several times, but we have new listeners all the

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time. Can you kind of explain
your background and who is Chase? Well?

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I've been a upologist since nineteen ninety
four and I joined move On in

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nineteen ninety six. And you know, have had various jobs throughout this organization

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for many, many years, a
couple of decades actually, But you know,

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I also have a big presence and
I've trained very active in other kind

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of side projects. I love exploration, and with my forte and specialty being

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forensics and evidence collection, It's led
me to exquisite places such as Peru,

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the Amazon Bolivia, extracting all sorts
of DNA and evidence and iCal trace components

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to things that we're really trying to
solve some of these mysteries. Yes,

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and I remember talking about some of
the stories of your exploration really exciting.

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You were having a ball, and
I do you feel like in some of

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those countries you feel like there's a
little bit of danger? How does that?

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How's that? I don't think I've
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sort of incident we had. I
was with LA's exploration team a couple of

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years back, and we were just
crossing the border into Bolivia and these two

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agents came and pulled La Marzouli,
Aaron Judkins, and myself away from the

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group. But the group was,
you know, so focused on kind of

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maneuvering to get through the crowd to
get to our bus. They didn't notice

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we were taken, so instead of
going back to the passport building, we

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just left. They actually brought us
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set La and Aaron out in like
a hallway where these two folded chairs,

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one was even broken and leaning terrible
little place, and then brought me

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to the back and shut the door, and I knew I was in a

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little bit of trouble. At that
point. The Bolivian agent asked me to

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empty my pockets and empty everything out
of my purse. And as I'm doing

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this, I'm hearing like chaos in
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loud, and all of a sudden, the door comes pop it open,

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like they busted through the door,
and it was La and Aaron, and

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they're just screaming and yelling and making
a lot of noise, like you're not

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keeping her back there by herself.
What do you guys want? You know?

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What is is about realizing, thank
goodness that I was with men you

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know, who weren't afraid to kick
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be doing what they were told.
Because it was very clear that they brought

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us to an area that they needed
to be quiet as well. They didn't

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want others to see what they were
doing, so it was illegal, so

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they just made noise, you know, creating that kind of attention they didn't

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want, and they literally let us
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put it back in your pocket.
Get out, get out, get out.

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So very grateful that you know we
have you know, I'm usually with

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a team of explorers and investigators that
we really take care of each other when

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we're out there. And do I
remember right that you have a background also

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in self defense or something like yeah, yeah, it's you're you're already in

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a little trouble when you're sizing up
people you're around, when you're already looking

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like all right, I could take
him, and then you're looking around it's

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you know, and then we have
to remember, you know, we're in

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their territory. Um, you know, almost everything we do we probably wouldn't

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get away with because we stand out
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so there's a lot of diplomas see
and um just knowing um, you

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know where you are and you know
what you what you can do. It's

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it really is an alertness and being
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There's no um closing your eyes for
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of places I've been where they're soldiers
with automatic weapons is always very intimidating to

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me. Yeah. Yeah, get
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with soldiers and oozis. Yeah,
it's like some of these countries that just

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don't play, you know, that's
that's you know, what you're dealing with,

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especially overseas. They have a lot
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way they do things. The most
recent trip I was down with Bohi rus

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and Inca and Eqoquest Enterprises with Timothy
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was really interesting because you know,
we put boots on the ground and in

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places that had never seen humans before, so it was very very interesting.

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It was the most dangerous thing I've
ever done, and I can't wait to

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do it again. These guys were
everything from the bullet ants to the terrain.

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It was treacherous and dangerous and just
amazing. But again, you know,

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with people that know what they're doing
and how to negotiate and be around

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some of this. My niece has
done some exploring and places that I wouldn't

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go and talked about, you know, parasites and I don't know. We

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were in the Amazon, in the
jungle, and everything wanted to eat us,

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right, plants, animals, insects, I mean, everything wants to

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eat you out there, and it's
just really interesting. I think the tree

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frogs are one of the most poisonous
shoe right, They're so cute. It's

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just like all these cute little bugs. I'm like, oh, they're like,

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don't touch that. It's the most
painful, you know, a bite

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ever. And so it's interesting.
But Timothy Um is you know, a

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very very popular investigator and explorer as
well, and he runs um a conference

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every year in Branson, Missouri with
Steve Quayle and it's Gen six and of

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course that's a playoff Genesis six.
So um it's a huge conference. It's

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sold out every year for the last
three years at three thousand people, and

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their live feeds are about ten thousand. It's it's crazy, um um group

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of people that are just so interested
in the topic. Yeah, okay,

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well we better steer a little bit
into the UFO topics since the show um

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so UM. I know i'd like
to end the show, you know,

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talking about you know, UFOs forward
and you know two nine, two nineteen,

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you know what we could be looking
for there. I think it will

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be an interesting year myself another one. Um, but can you also,

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uh, I hate to put this
on you, but I just love you

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talking briefly in a nutshell about the
most amazing experience, one of the most

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experiences in my intro and everything,
the Cornfield. Can you can you kind

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of bring that up again because just
again, there's a lot of people who

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have never heard your story before.
It's it still remains one of the biggest

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things that ever happened to me as
an investigator. And this was two thousand

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and ten about spring April, late
April May um and I was called out

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to an investigation. One of the
witnesses reported into mouf on and Um that

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he was witnessing all sorts of things
from these orbs of light for lack of

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better word, orbs, but these
balls of light that you know, he

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and his cousins would chase down the
roads. And you know these are um,

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you know, very very rural isolated
farm land and ranches um way way

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back in Tennessee. And you know
he triangles. There was a lot of

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things that you know, he was
reporting on a daily basis. And of

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course I was stalled getting out there
for a couple of weeks because there was

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an epic flood, the what they
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Nashville, so it really ruined our
passage to the area on you know,

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most of it anyway. But I
got there, and Um, eventually,

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from the minute I stepped out of
my vehicle, UM, he pulled me

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and the other investigator to the end
of his driveway and you know, was

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um looking up and said, oh
my gosh, you know, this is

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this is what we see. And
I look up and there's these little,

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um, little specks of light starting
to pop out. They were clearly different

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colors as well, and they would
form these patterns and kind of maneuver as

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one unit, but then they would
separate and kind of dance around. And

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if you got tired of this little
group, there was another one here,

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and another one on another piece of
the sky. But there were several of

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these going on, and the witness
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I've gotten you know, I've got
my pad out and I'm looking and we're

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like looking for satellites and you know, all sorts of things, meteor showers

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and give me anything. I'm already
seeing things that I think are awesome.

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This is what we're looking for,
you know, right angles, that kind

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of maneuvering in the sky is exactly
what ufologists are trying to catch. But

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then he tells me that he has
a cornfield and it's just down the road

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and it's huge, so you kind
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of it's unobstructed. You could see
so much of the sky and at that

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point the corn was only about four
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so we could drive on and walked
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any crops. But it was flat
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there to obstruct. So we jump
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there. And it wasn't long.
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getting everything done, but you know
it was eventually, you know, a

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light appeared in the distance, and
you know he's all excited. Oh my

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gosh, yes, you know,
Chase, Chase, Chase, this is

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what you know, I wanted you
to come out to see. And I

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see this one light and it's white, and it's coming towards us, and

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I'm freaking excited. I'm picking up
my camera as I'm trying to, you

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know, take pictures. Nothing's working, my trifieldmeter, nothing, it's all

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dead. So at this point,
I'm thinking, oh my gosh, it's

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that battery drain that we experienced often
in UFO investigations as well as paranormal sometimes

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even big foot investigations. But we
you know, it kept coming, it

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didn't stop the event. Pretty soon, two other lights appear and I just

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I can't believe it. There's three
of them. Three objects are coming this

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way. And then I realize,
Martin, as it gets closer, it's

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it's one object. It's so clearly
a triangle. At this point, there's

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just one object. Not only does
it black out the stars, but as

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it's coming closer, you're just it's
different. It's just different the way it

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moves. It's hard to explain.
It's not drifting, floating, flying toad.

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It's just different. And we're just
standing there. I'm still trying to

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pick up cameras, I'm still trying
to do something with it. But you

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know, this triangle literally flew over
that cornfield right over our heads and eventually

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went off into the distance. There
was two other people there beside you at

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the time in the cornfield. His
cousins were on the sidelines, so yeah,

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yes, they saw the triangle absolutely. And then all of a sudden,

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you know, there's a I'm reaching
down after the craft is gone,

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of course, and I'm reaching down
looking at my equipment, and I'm so

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frustrated, like I'm ready. I
was already ready to drop f bomb.

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In fact, I think I did
one or two because I was so frustrated

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because it's right there. You know, I have all the equipment in the

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world, and it was useless,
absolutely useless. And it's so frustrating as

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an investigator because nobody cares what I
think. As an investigator, No one

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cares what I believe. And I
didn't want just another story. We have

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tens of thousands of stories. We
need evidence. So anyway, I decided

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I pick up my cameras. They're
all back online. It wasn't a battery

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drain. I don't know what happened, but everything was back full power.

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Everything was working. But at that
point, I remember it was the trifield.

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Yeah, it was my Trifield meter, and I just decided I'm changing

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batteries anyway. I just got nervous
with trusting that. So I'm a Trifield

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meter. The one that I have. You have to unscrew the battery case.

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And I was doing that, and
all of a sudden, I just

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got this really really paranoid feeling of
just someone was watching. And I said

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out loud, hey, guys,
does anyone else feel like you're being watched?

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And I don't mean down here?
And about that time, Martin,

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it was like this physical thing.
It was a physical transformation that just kind

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of pounded into the body. I
felt something enter and it was terror apps

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terror. And at that moment,
I went from very excited seeing this triangle.

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You know, we were happy,
Dan saying, you know, we

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were this was no joke. We
had just seen something that's not supposed to

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exist, right into this feeling.
Every cell of my body was absolutely terrorized,

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absolutely terrified. And it was physical, and I just remember turning and

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running. As I'm running, I
just remember hitting something really hard. It

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turned out to be the witness who
had stopped. He was in front of

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me. And it's funny more and
because the other thing I really remember was

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the strangest thing. It was as
light as I'm running, this light is

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just doing this left right, but
in this you and it turned out to

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be the witness running with a flashlight. So yeah, all of a sudden,

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he stops. I run into him, smack in the back. I

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don't even know how we were still, and I really hit him hard,

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and I grabbed the back of his
shirt and I remember him saying something like,

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what the what the ff is this? And he takes his left hand

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and he swings it out, and
about six feet from us was this little

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being. And I remember the very
first thing that went through my mind was,

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oh my god, it's not that
cute little roswell guy. So and

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after one one thousand and two,
that's the time frame that we stood and

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we looked. I looked straight into
this being. We started running again and

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we jumped into truck. We went
back to his driveway and we all kind

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of tumbled out, like, wait
a minute, what just happened? We

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saw a being. At this point, Martin, we had to call the

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state director at the time was Eddie
Middleton, and the other investigator was on

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the phone making the call to him
to let him know you know what just

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happened. Because we're now witnesses,
we can't talk to each other and compare

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notes until you know, we've been
interviewed separately. But I can tell you

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that we were back in that cornfield
within thirty minutes of leaving it. Now,

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the thing that frustrates me the most
is people aren't listening. Sometimes when

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we tell the story, they're like, oh, my gosh, she ran

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away from an alien. No,
we didn't. We had this controlled fear

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or this fear that whatever that was, we had no control. We did

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exactly what we were supposed to whatever
reason. I am sure after all these

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years, we were not supposed to
be in that field at the time,

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and I'm not sure if it was
a triangle or you know, the being

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or whatever it was out there.
The other thing is we didn't run away

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from that being. We ran towards
it. It's why it was only six

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away. So this wasn't being afraid
of contacting or afraid of that being.

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No one knew he was there.
We was the being between you and the

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vehicles were you parked. It was
off to the side. We were running

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towards the vehicles, but we were
more at them as were as a vehicle

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would be twelve o'clock. We were
running more at ten. We were running

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more at the at number ten,
and we get to that spot there's the

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being, and then we're back into
the vehicle. It was about two weeks

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before I realized that the other investigator
never saw the being. She was already

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by the time we all turned and
ran at the exact same time, same

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direction, everything. She was already
ahead of where that being was at the

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time. Wow. And I didn't
know that for two weeks. I just

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assumed she saw it too, but
you know, she didn't. And of

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course we didn't really talk to each
other because we were post to until we

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were debrief by other investigators. But
um, did you ever compare stories to

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the after you were interviewed? Yes, Um, not until after we were

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interviewed. And then I meant,
yeah, yes. Then, you know,

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I promised the witness as soon as
that was completed, we could compare

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stories. And um. We actually
had a really small little conference in Tennessee

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and Eddie wanted us to talk about
this case, and it was it was

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too soon, you know, emotionally, I don't know, I just we

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weren't ready but we did it anyway, and we laid out the case with

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all the facts. Eddie was there. The chief investigator at the time,

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Max Mitchell, he came out to
the site. I mean, there was

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plenty of moof on investigators that had
come out and you know, check things

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out. You know, my husband
had been there. I mean, there

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was you know, a lot of
investigation after. I think will miss that

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because they love to hear about what
happened in the cornfield and they forget that

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there were months of inquiry and investigation
and uh, you know, forensic type

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um work in that cornfield after and
um, you know, it's just to

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this day, it's still a mystery. When you talk about it, does

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it kind of give you anxiety?
And even know it really does and yeah,

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yeah, and you try hard,
you know, to stay calm when

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and I don't know why, Martin, it's like so long, it's been

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several years, and I still get
a knot in my stomach when we get

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to the point of seeing that,
you know, a little being or it's

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mostly the fear. That's just something
I wouldn't wish that on anybody. And

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it's such an odd feeling because it's
hard as we remember, and this is

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something I did talk with the witness
and the other investigator. How long did

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that fear last? I don't know
when it left. I don't know.

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I just remember I knew it hit
me. I remember turning. I saw

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everyone else turn at the same time. No one said what was that?

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Oh my god? Run? Nobody
said anything like that. We all just

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did it, turn and started running
the witness and I ran straight to that

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being. You know, and that's
something you know, you realize after the

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more people, you know, thousands, without exaggerating, Martin, thousands of

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people have written me, called me, talk to me, pulled me aside

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and said, I know that fear. I felt that. It's so hard

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to describe because it is every cell
in your body understands terror and nothing else.

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It's excruciating. It's an extraordinary feeling. And ever had it since or

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before? No, that was it? Well, that was it. I

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could tell you that when I talk
about it, I feel like I started

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sensing a little bit of what that
felt like. But it's never even gotten

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close. I mean, you know, this wasn't fight a flight, This

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wasn't we were scared, and you
know, it wasn't anything like that and

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the witness you have to realize this
is a real man man, you know.

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He he brought a big shotgun.
When we got out of the trunk

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and I'm setting up a little equipment, he brings out this huge shotgun and

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I just kind of look at him
like, uh, Like I'm looking at

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that point like, um, like, how stupid is this? Two girls

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jump in a car, like what
are we gonna do? We go to

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a cornfield with this guy. We
don't know because we just trust everything they're

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telling us, which isn't exactly true. It's very credible, but uh,

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you know, and the look on
my face. He says, no,

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no, no, Chase, don't
worry. You know this is we have

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a problem with kyotes. So in
case, you know, they come upon

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us, you know I can take
care of He never said if we see

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kyotes, you're gonna have to run
and get in the truck. He brought

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it. He brought a rifle or
a shotgun or whatever it was. It

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was just a big old gun.
And he I realized at that point they

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don't dial nine one one. They
take care of themselves out there. It's

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so rural by the time anyone would
come out to help. Whatever was going

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on is over, yea. So
they're mostly calling police to you know,

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clean up or tell what happened.
But these aren't guys that are used to

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asking people or running away or you
know, they stand the ground and and

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I do I know you can't disclose
who it is, but I do remember

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that you told me that this was
someone that is known, yeah, for

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his profession, absolutely, yeah,
And it's one of the reasons he was

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desperate. Seriously, It's one of
the reasons the case was kind of shut

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down a little is because it started
becoming a circus, which is something I

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promised him. It is so rural
out there that even my vehicle being strange

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driving down the road caught a t
of everybody. Who's that What are they

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doing here? Who are they going
to go visit? And yeah, and

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you know, when you start getting
a lot of people and a lot of

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inquiry, and you know, these
strange people, what are they doing in

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that cornfield? You know, it
started to turn it into a circus and

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we had to shut it down because
his identity associated with the UFO event was

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absolutely I think that thought just terrified
him to the point where he'd back off

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and say, I don't know what
you're talking about. I mean, it

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was just ridiculous. But I do
have a feeling he'll come out eventually.

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It may be a couple more years. I hope it's tomorrow, because you

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know the other investigator, you know, she uh, she left shortly after

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that, and she doesn't talk about
it, and it's kind of I'm the

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only one that's really talking about what
happened that night, and it'd be nice

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to have something collaboration, the witness
come out would be so great. So

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I'm waiting for that. I really
am waiting. Now, how could you

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go back there? You said you're
back there in thirty minutes with that feeling

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of you know, terror previously there. I just don't know when it left.

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By the time we got out of
the truck, Martin, it was

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gone. I don't know if it
left in the truck or at what point.

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All I know is by the time
we got to the driveway and we

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were out, I realized, a
wait a minute, like I'm kind of

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thinking back to normal, you know, it was like, why did we

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do that? But by the time
we got out of that cornfield, nobody

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had that fear anymore. There was
none of that. So realizing you know

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that, I probably I got more
excited about the fact that, oh my

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gosh, there was an entity on
the ground, there was this being on

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the ground. There's put Prince forensic
evidence. I mean, I'm back in

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investigator Road. I need to get
back in that cornfield. That's what I

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was thinking about. Hadn't even really
processed the beer yet, you know,

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or even afraid it was coming back. So you know, going back to

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that field was just I was excited. I needed to get back and get

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that evidence. And of course it
wasn't une. Fourth. Yeah, and

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the description. I remember you describing
the being you said you saw for just

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a flash, and I remember you
saying something about the legs looking almost like

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stick legs or something, really tiny
legs. It's really stood out, Martin,

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because you know, this being was
small, about three and a half

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feet. I don't really remember seeing
the arms. I'm sure he had them,

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but his legs were so twig like
they didn't make sense. And it's

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probably why it stood out. They
wouldn't have piled his body. When I

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say twig, it's like thinner than
my pinkie. And you know, these

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little and of course now realizing,
you know, with the night shots going

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back, you know, with the
flash, like we realized that the angle

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that we the light hit him,
it was shadowed. You know, his

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legs were probably normal. I just
you know, we just saw the little

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parts that were lit up. And
you know the other thing that I couldn't

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stop thinking about, there were two
things on the way home. One was

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that didn't make sense because that cornfield
was so dark. This guy was amazing,

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you know, with all the stars
and it was such a clear,

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beautiful evening. And how do you
go from that dark to this halogen you

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know normal you know most everybody has
in their vehicle slashlight six feet from your

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face, from that dark to bam, you know, blasted with this big

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hologen light and not move. The
being when I saw it, seemed completely

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unaffected. It didn't squint, it
didn't do this. It you know,

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completely stoic, like it was mechanical. Although I knew the minute I saw

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it it was biology. It was
biological. It had skinned. His eyes

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were real. This wasn't fake because
I did look at this well were back

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for a second that it could have
been a scarecrow. I mean, I

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don't even know if they used scarecrows. No, not not with this being

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at all. What I did think
back at the driveway was, you know,

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those cousins were out there, but
they stayed at the sideline. What

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if they brought that being out and
you know, set that little thing up

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and you know, we you know, didn't see it for some reason walking

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up because it was a little off, you know, and they waited for

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that to happen. But it doesn't
explain the fear, It doesn't explain the

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triangle, It doesn't explain a lot
of that. But when I came back,

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I saw exactly because remember this is
right after the waters receded from that

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flood, so we had footprints everywhere
it was. It was muney, not

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the type where you're kicking up mud, but it was soft enough. I

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saw it. Ever footprint we made, I could tell where we where I

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hit him, where he stopped.
There were no footprints coming here. So

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in other words, the cousins couldn't
have brought a fake being out there,

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you know. And to tell you
the truth, when we left, I

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don't even I don't even remember seeing
the cousins get into their vehicle or anything,

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because they had one out there.
I don't remember any of that.

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I just remember us getting in the
truck and we left so fast we caught

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air coming out before we landed on
you know, the main road, a

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country main road to get back to
his house, and we caught air.

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And I remember the cousins kind of
driving by after we had already pulled in

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and they went home. They didn't
even stop. They're gone. And they

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also would not talk to anybody about
it. After they were terrified. They

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shut down. They didn't want anything. They did come out and beat the

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state director Eddie Middleton, and they
eddy got to talk to them a little

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bit, just enough to acknowledge that
they were there. And they saw a

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triangle again by the way. Again
they'd seen many. I saw one,

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you know. So yeah, it's
just yeah, I look for all of

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that stuff. The other thing I
couldn't stop thinking about on the way home

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Martin was bullcrap. Nobody gets everything
in one night. There's something wrong with

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that evening. And to this day
I feel like that, I feel like

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there's something wrong. I can't find
it, but I'm still looking, digging

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in a little bit. I've never
not had this experience kind of on my

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mind. No matter where where I
go, who I'm talking to, what

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I'm doing, it's always there.
So you know, I'm still trying to

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figure out what happened. But I'm
the first one to a met man,

409
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.839
you know. I wish I had
something better to say, like a normal

410
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.359
UFO experience, something that's more common, things that we hear all the time.

411
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:20.079
But it's not. It's the craziest
evening that makes absolutely no sense.

412
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:24.119
I can't make heads or tails of
what was going on that the triangle caused

413
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.559
the fear, Was it the being? Was it a combination? You know?

414
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.559
And then there's always that thought that
I didn't understand until a little later.

415
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:37.640
And you'll know this one, Martin, because when we talk to experiencers

416
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:44.599
or abductees, we hear often that
they can feel what that being is feeling.

417
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:51.480
And all of a sudden it hit
me, Oh my god, what

418
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:57.559
if that fear that was not human? It was so extraordinary, it was

419
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:05.720
tremendous terror was actually what that being
was feeling and it was just projected onto

420
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:10.880
us. And if I can't even
process that right now, I mean,

421
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.799
it's in my head. I just
can't go there. Not yet. Now

422
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:21.119
you said earlier, when you started
talking about this, you said that nobody

423
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:27.720
cares about what you believe or feel. Why would that be? I mean

424
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.599
you must have had colleagues and move
on. You you could have called and

425
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.079
said, oh my god, you
can't believe what happened, and you know,

426
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.480
share the story that way or does
it all have to be just plain

427
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:42.400
documented and that's it? Like well, I meant more like as an investigator.

428
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.920
You know, when people call me
out, they don't really care what

429
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.759
I believe about the UFO issue.
That's not why they're calling me. They're

430
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.400
calling me because or contacting move on. You know, they didn't even call

431
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.160
me. This was a move on
case. You know, they want an

432
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:59.079
investigator. They're looking for answers.
They don't care what we think or believe,

433
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:04.839
you know, they they're not looking
for um commentary. They're looking for

434
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.719
answers and that comes from evidence.
So I'm very aware of this that people

435
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.920
don't really care. You know,
um, I don't care what other investigators

436
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.719
believer thinks that you leave that outside. You know, you come in.

437
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:23.400
You have to have an objective,
m completely clean slate every new every time

438
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:29.159
you walk into a new case,
period. And that's you know something,

439
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.679
Um that I think that's what I
meant. I don't think that's what I

440
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.119
meant. That's exactly what I meant. Is you know, um, you

441
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:38.719
know so many times, you know, people go in, well, I

442
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:44.119
think this is what happened to you. We need to stop that. Yeah,

443
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.079
that's not helpful. Yeah I understand, yeah, yeah, but um,

444
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.159
you know, obviously this is something
that you know made you very emotional

445
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:59.159
and really affected your life. And
have you written about this anywhere? Like

446
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:07.960
I, um, it's Ryan Sprague
asked for this experience, but he was

447
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:15.760
writing a book about personal experiences like
the personal what the takeaway personally on some

448
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:22.280
of these events with contactees, and
so I let him write about it.

449
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:29.079
But nope, I haven't. In
fact, TV all over it. They

450
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.800
want this story so bad they've offered
to pay for even recently, as of

451
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.039
two weeks ago. I actually pulled
it and said, no, that's not

452
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:45.519
for sale. This is not entertainment. It's real and it's it's it's a

453
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:52.480
mystery that has taken out an investigator
that no longer is involved in the field

454
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.559
anymore. I don't know if this
event had exactly to do with that.

455
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.800
All I know is she's gone,
got car, left, left family,

456
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.800
house, husband. All Um really
yes, yes, It's why I say

457
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.639
the other investigator and I don't name
her name because, um, she wants

458
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.559
so part of it, so out
of respect, I don't continue to bring

459
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:20.360
her in. Um. You know, the witness is still his whole family

460
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.880
was affected by the things going on. And UM, yeah, it's just

461
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.599
it's not for sale. I don't
know any other way to put it.

462
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.039
Um. I do talk about it
rarely, and I talk about it with

463
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.199
trusted people like yourself. Um,
Aleandro, you know a couple others that

464
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:43.280
you and I know really well that
I'm comfortable. Um, you know,

465
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:49.039
I yeah, it's still it's it's
it's still something that you know, we

466
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.199
need to process these things. You
know. It made me a better investigator,

467
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:59.360
Martin, because when you see something
that hits you so deeply, and

468
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:07.320
i'd even say in your soul,
it's just something that you can't just process

469
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:12.599
in three weeks or it takes a
while. Now, I wonder if these

470
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:20.840
bigger experiences that we hear about from
our experiencers contact these and abductees. It

471
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.880
takes some years, decades sometimes to
be able to talk about what happened openly.

472
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:35.199
I had one night, one second
and it Yeah, it's still with

473
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.960
me in such a profound way.
Imagine having a lifetime of abductions and these

474
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:45.800
types of memories or experiences. That's
nutty, Like it's like, you know,

475
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:52.039
you put it in perspective and it's
extraordinary. Yeah, And you know

476
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.960
the strange thing about you know,
you said, like all this happening,

477
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.679
and one night I was looking at
the chat room and someone said it could

478
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.760
be interdimensional or something like that,
and it's just one of these big,

479
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.719
huge question marks. You know,
I believe it is. I'm going on

480
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.760
the record and saying that, and
I've said this before. I believe,

481
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.639
even on your show, I don't
believe that they're getting here on a full

482
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.039
tank of gas in a red bull. I really believe because every amateur or

483
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.559
strong word, we'd watch them enter
our airspace. We would watch them enter

484
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.800
and transverse, you know, from
the moon to you know, we could

485
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.599
see this now and we're not.
So it's either cloaking technology or they're using

486
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.480
of physics we don't understand. And
if we're going to be honest and if

487
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:44.039
we're going to finally as upologists put
together some data. In other words,

488
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.679
what do we know? This is
a big thing I'm doing in twenty nineteen.

489
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.320
I'm so sick of proclamations and guests
saying and I'm like, move On

490
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.119
is fifty years old this year.
We have fifty years of data. I

491
00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:04.280
witness testimony, we have investigations into
big things. We have contacts all over

492
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.280
the world. It's time we start
using it. It's time we start putting

493
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:14.840
this puzzle together. So I really
have created a think tank Martin where it's

494
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:21.880
we call a Strategic Review Team,
And I'm really taking a very eclectic group.

495
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:30.079
We have amazing personnel in this.
We even have the un prosecuting attorney

496
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:36.639
for war crimes in this think tank. Yeah it is. They're all move

497
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.079
On members. And what we're going
to do is we are going to look

498
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:51.679
at the et hypothesis as an counterintelligence
operation. In other words, like we're

499
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.320
going to find out about what does
this terrorist group, what do we know

500
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.760
about them, what do they do, what's their ideology, are there anything

501
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.079
that they're doing logistically, how do
they work? And that's how we're going

502
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.280
to attack this. And I know
this is going to send some people into

503
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.679
the All I told you they're infiltrated
by the government and secret service or whatever.

504
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.800
And the truth is this is smart. This is a smart way to

505
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:20.599
go after this because the first thing
we do is what do we know?

506
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.000
We know their secret, we know
they're clandestine. Why what is that?

507
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.039
Would what does this mean? The
second thing we would answer is, well,

508
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:36.679
we know they communicate, right,
they communicate telepathically, They communicate through

509
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:42.960
binary code. Crop circles. Crop
circles. WHOA, there's something. Those

510
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:50.840
are testable scientific evidence because they're different
and they're testable, and we're finding code

511
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.000
written in them. We have four
now, all pretty much given us the

512
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:59.679
same message. So do we put
this in the worthy column? Or do

513
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.719
we throw it out? So when
we start putting together and looking at this

514
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.960
instead of as um, you know, a big mystery and you know,

515
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.840
UM, let's look at it like
a reality, and let's look at it

516
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:19.440
like we would anything else. UM, a brand new hater group or you

517
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:25.840
know, how do we profile and
put together and understand as a big picture.

518
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.360
And that's what we're doing. In
twenty nineteen, we've already started this

519
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.119
think tank. Is um, you
know what do we know? What do

520
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.920
they do? UM? What are
some of the other implications we're going as

521
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.119
far as where are the claims you
know Betty Hill, Um, some of

522
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.079
the things that she was told.
Um, let's listen to this. Let's

523
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.519
listen to this, because I know
our answers are going to come from the

524
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:57.320
eyewitness testimony and the experiencers, plain
and simple. Um, what what is

525
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.000
the message? You said? There's
two messages? Or well there's four,

526
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:07.320
like in the in the crop circles, Um, remember the typical gray head

527
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.599
and a crop circle with the disc. And then we have um and we

528
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.599
also sent out like remember our little
DNA strand and had all these we got

529
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.760
one back. Yeah, yes,
I think that's I believe. So,

530
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.199
yeah, and we get one back. Well, what does that mean?

531
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.599
Are they communicating with us? So
it is a warning. It's a warning

532
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:36.679
about beware of deceivers and beware of
deceivers with gifts. They're coming with promises

533
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.159
and gifts and we need to be
very careful of that. Well, again,

534
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:43.760
as this think tank, what does
that mean, Well, it means

535
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:49.239
we have a warning. So it
means we have a friend or we have

536
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:54.159
allies. Somebody's caring enough about humanity
to send this warning or is that warning

537
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.719
a deception in itself. Um,
you know, so this is this is

538
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.280
where we're going with this. Instead
of looking at this like a big mystery,

539
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:06.199
we're going after this like it's you
know, a new group of people

540
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:15.760
or a new group that we have
to understand and almost gather the same intel,

541
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.920
just like they've done in secret.
You know, what do they know

542
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.079
about us? Are they studying?
We need to do the same back.

543
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:29.280
We need to gather intelligence and figure
this out. What do we know?

544
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:37.679
So unfortunately, this kind of has
a bad contentation to it of you know,

545
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.599
people are going to be like,
oh, you know, counter intelligence

546
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.880
operation, that's what she called it, you know, Bob. But it's

547
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:50.760
effective. This is an effective way
to examine something. And it's also admissible

548
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.760
because they're going to be transparency with
this as well. Oh absolutely absolutely,

549
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.599
because this is something that you know, even be talking about what we're doing

550
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.519
now very publicly, because this is
something we should all be doing. You

551
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.320
know, I'm not keeping secret like, oh, well, we got something

552
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.599
that maybe coming out in a few
months hep, No, let's talk about

553
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:16.000
it. Let's you know, keep
things very open. And that's that's something

554
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:22.280
that move On needs to get better
with. Their messaging. Part of our

555
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:32.119
mission statement is education and we have
information everywhere Facebook, Twitter, on our

556
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:40.599
website, there's an open CMS log. Look at pull up UFO stalker.

557
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.719
Go on to the main website,
go to track UFOs and hit that UFO

558
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.320
stalker. Tell me we're hiding anything. Come on, guys, this is

559
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.039
ridiculous That stalker tells you the log
description where it is. You know what

560
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.559
kind what happened? Um. The
only thing you're not going to get is

561
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:06.960
witnessed contact information and that's because most
don't want everybody in the world given them

562
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.239
a call and showing up at their
door. Yeah, you have to make

563
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:15.079
people feel safe if they're going to
talk. Absolutely, so, you know,

564
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.679
I think I think we just need
to get better at our messaging.

565
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.320
Why do people not know that we
do all this? Why do people not

566
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.760
know that we have a symposium every
year, or we have a journal that

567
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:30.559
comes out every single month, or
we have newsletters, or states that are

568
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:36.880
actively involved, the state directors that
are putting on meetings in every state around

569
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.599
the country and even other countries around
the world. Why do people still want

570
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:50.440
to say Moupon doesn't do anything or
generate information and it's not the public's fault.

571
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.880
We're not messaging correctly because we have
all of this available, and yet

572
00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.960
we still hear that it's crazy.
Well, speaking of that, you know,

573
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.880
the To the Stars Academy UM or
TTSA or whatever you want to call

574
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:12.760
it UM. I'm a big complaint
about UM that you hear a lot about

575
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.119
them is that you know there's oh, there's something big coming up, or

576
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:21.079
you know, we can't like a
lot of people are saying they're just holding

577
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:25.440
information and why, you know,
what's their you know what's going on there?

578
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:30.199
What do you what do you feel
about all that? I think we're

579
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.119
jaded with the disclosure and the claims
of you know, it's break in,

580
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.239
it's coming. You know, this
year is a year Hillary Clinton's the candidate.

581
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.400
I mean, we're so burned out. So I am I even hate

582
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.079
the word disclosure. I don't even
want to hear it anymore. UM.

583
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:52.840
It's it's annoying. So for To
the Star's Academy, they're new guys,

584
00:46:52.519 --> 00:47:00.519
they're really new guys. They don't
have the UM background to even know that

585
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.320
some of the cases they're working on
or some of the evidence they picked up

586
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:10.480
has been done forty times already by
many, many credible people in labs.

587
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:19.360
So you know they're new and UM, but they have money and that's always

588
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.039
going to be the difference of them
being successful or not. And it takes

589
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.199
money to travel, it takes money
to go get these things. It takes

590
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:36.159
money to UM analyze all this UM
data and materials they claim to have to

591
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.760
correct. And I'm interested to see
what they show us. UM. You

592
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.840
know, we all know they have
a show on A and E coming out.

593
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.239
We all know that they've been very
busy collecting evidence. UM. I

594
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:50.440
can't wait to see what they what
they reveal, and I hope it's something

595
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.079
we haven't heard a hundred times before, you know, I think people you

596
00:47:53.119 --> 00:48:00.159
know, we have benchmark cases Brendelsham, Roswell, Betty, Barney Hill.

597
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.920
These are all huge cases. But
there's other things going on. Can we

598
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.880
hear about those for a while,
if you know what I mean? We

599
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:12.679
keep rehashing the same old information and
there's a lot of new stuff coming out.

600
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:19.679
So that's one thing. The other
thing about to the Stars is they

601
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:24.360
really lou was going to ask what
do we yeah, what do we think

602
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:32.280
about? Lou Well? I get
mad at how quickly our field can turn

603
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:38.639
and just be so ugly. Honestly, we beg we have talked about for

604
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.760
decades, for you know, people
like us that have been doing this for

605
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:49.559
more than two years. We have
been trying to get lawmakers engaged and talking

606
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.000
about this issue. We've been trying
to get our military and you know,

607
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:59.719
some of our secret keepers, some
of our alphabet Agency CIA, FBI,

608
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.000
been trying to get these people to
talk to us. And when they do,

609
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.480
first thing we do a shredel.
Oh he's a secret agent. He's

610
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:13.760
doing this, he's doing that.
What my question is, what disinformation is

611
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.039
Lou given us Because they're not talking
to us, they're not talking to anybody

612
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.679
right now. They know who their
audience is and it's the public. They

613
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.239
don't give two craps about what the
uthologists think of them right now. Or

614
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:29.920
they've got their head down and they're
working. And that was a lesson Moffon

615
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:35.440
took from to the Star's Academy.
We're not going to that's not our audience.

616
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.199
Are not the people that have been
doing this for forty years. Our

617
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:44.079
audience is the public who's looking for
real answers, scientific fact, scientific certainty,

618
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:51.320
admissible conclusion and probative data. That's
what the public's looking for. And

619
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.039
that's when I go back to what
I first said, nobody cares what I

620
00:49:54.079 --> 00:50:00.079
believe. We've got thousands of belief
systems that people weighing in on their our

621
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.760
opinions. We hear them all the
time. You know, it's all over

622
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.920
you know, radio, TV and
you know. But I really am frustrated

623
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:13.960
that the minute, the minute,
somebody comes out from our government. This

624
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:19.199
was huge for a tip to come
out for the first time in a long

625
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.800
time, Martin. I felt vindicated
as a UFO investigator for all the eye

626
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.440
rolling my friends have given me,
for all the you know, tongue in

627
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:31.880
cheek jokes we took, that,
you know, all the tin tinfoil hat

628
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.559
antics we put up with. And
guess what, guys, fifth floor,

629
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:44.000
take a left, third door on
your right, A tip been actively investigating

630
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:49.559
UFOs. What now? People?
What now? Thank you Lou for bringing

631
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.199
that out, because to me,
just that alone was worth everything. That

632
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:58.800
vindication, Oh my gosh, Martin, Right, yeah, I think it's

633
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.119
changed everything. And I know you
and I both met Lou down at Cherry

634
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.480
Hill, and what a great guy. First of all, and I know

635
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.960
that he at first, you know, talking with Alejandro who talked to him,

636
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.519
you know, I mean I spoke
to him there, but Alahandro keeps

637
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.320
in touch with him, I guess, or yeah, yeah, and I

638
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.599
did too. I did too,
but yeah, Aleandro, I know it

639
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.639
is a good contact. Lou keeps
Aleandro pretty close. Yeah, so,

640
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:29.599
but I know that, you know, he was you know, he was

641
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:34.800
actually rather hurt by some of the
jobs that were thrown at him. And

642
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.719
you know, Alejandro basically says,
don't look anymore, you know, just

643
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:43.000
because he was getting involved like in
Reddit and you know places like that where

644
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:47.119
people were slamming him. And yeah, well I think it's all been good.

645
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:52.559
And um, you know I heard
some naysayers and actually at the conference,

646
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.519
you know, after watching him saying, oh, you know, he

647
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.840
was boring, he didn't say anything. I could have done a better job.

648
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.920
And you know, I mean,
I think there's a lot of jealous

649
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.679
in the field or something. Absolutely
agree and we've seen it before. We've

650
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.119
watched the public build up who they
want to hear from and then shred them.

651
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:15.760
It's it's it's an unbelievable field.
And you know, we're fortunate.

652
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:22.039
Martin because you have amazing inner group
of people that you're close with. Aleandrow

653
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:28.840
and a lot of those people that
are we know that they're honest, and

654
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.159
we know that they're good people,
and they treat people well, and we

655
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:38.679
like that, you know, instead
of joining the bandwagon of criticism and even

656
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:46.000
going after those that come out how
I don't understand, Martin. We're desperate

657
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:50.920
for whistleblowers. We want to talk
to government officials, and the minute we

658
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.239
do, even like Bob Lazar,
I don't care whether you believe them or

659
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:59.519
not. The fact that we ask
for these types of whistleblowers and then we

660
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.639
spend so much time just spreading them. We're not listening. I think we're

661
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.960
not listening. And to tell you
the truth, the Internet and social media,

662
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.679
it's the worst thing that happened to
youthology. We forgot we're getting our

663
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:19.800
information off of social media instead of
going to the source. I was so

664
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.360
thankful there was this thing with Secure
Team ten and move On recently, and

665
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:30.480
it was so great because you know, these guys from Secure Team called us

666
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.719
and talk to us and emailed us, and you know, there's been this

667
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.480
ongoing and we have to go to
the source. And we have to talk

668
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:45.440
to these people. I'm just amazed. If Bigelow offered me money right now

669
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:52.239
to investigate, and whatever I found
I could give to the public, but

670
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:57.000
I also have to give it to
him done New York second. Unfortunately,

671
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.559
it takes money to do what we
have to do and to get where we

672
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.719
need to go. And I would
take it in a New York second,

673
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.840
and people would shred me for it. And this is where we are,

674
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:13.119
Martin. We don't care. I
don't care what the red rick is behind

675
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.519
my back because there's a lot of
it on all of us. It's amazing.

676
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.840
I've got my head down. I'm
working in my group, and whether

677
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:28.800
we're successful or not, we've given
an honest and diligent try. And we're

678
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:32.639
not wasting time with the gossip and
the bullcrap. We're solving issues. We're

679
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.000
meeting at think tanks. We're talking
for hours about what do we know?

680
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:44.159
We're talking hours about our crop circles. Admissible? Is this admissible communication?

681
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:49.599
You know? We're trying to take
it to a level where a dossier is

682
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:55.039
being written. Because I live here. I'm going to talk to Congress,

683
00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:01.519
I am going to talk to the
intelligence committee. We are going to get

684
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:07.840
our time with them. It's just
a matter of time. We're going to

685
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:09.800
do this, and we need to
be ready. We have to have a

686
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:16.719
professional dossier. We have to have
a professional commentary and a summary to hand

687
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:22.000
them for them to understand. Would
you would you take out like the question

688
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:28.039
to the think tank? And because
I had I had someone call in the

689
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.679
other day and it's actually something I
thought about a number of times, and

690
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:37.480
I think it is kind of meaningful
in a way, and that is why

691
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:42.159
would these things have lights? It's
a great question. I am going to

692
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.239
write that down and I have heard
this one before because it's odd. Why

693
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:52.800
did they have lights? Um,
they seem to have very earthlight technology or

694
00:55:52.840 --> 00:56:00.280
an advanced species or advanced race that's
transversing time and space, right, Yeah,

695
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:04.280
And do they have lights? Do
they show the lights because they want

696
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:06.920
us to see them? Or you
know, what is going on with the

697
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:13.280
lights because they obviously don't need them, you know, well, yes,

698
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:17.400
absolutely. And another question that we
kind of consider is, you know,

699
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:22.079
even in the crop circles, why
is it more recently that we're finding the

700
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:28.079
binary code? And of course,
one of the answers from one of our

701
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.920
amazing minds really was Well, maybe
they had to dumb it down because we

702
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.880
weren't catching the first twenty five or
the first hundred, you know, we

703
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.679
didn't understand the sacred geometry. Or
they're like, oh, they'll definitely get

704
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:46.199
this one. Nope, we missed
it again. So yeah, we're still

705
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:57.559
debating on whether these amazing you know, geometrical sacred geometry symbols and shapes are

706
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.960
done by a board and a couple
guys in the woods, even with the

707
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:07.400
forensic testing and analysis of blown nodes
and you know the difference and in the

708
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:15.480
crop itself. Um, we're still
fighting that crazy you know accusation. Yeah,

709
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.400
BLT research. Um, are you
familiar you're familiar with them? Yes?

710
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.280
Nancy, Yeah, I had her
on the show years ago. Interesting

711
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:29.519
woman and it is. And thank
goodness for Nancy, Thank goodness because she

712
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:35.719
has brought the evidence. She has
brought the science to the crop circles for

713
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:39.559
this to even be legit even if
we found the binary code without her testable

714
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:49.840
science and discovery of what separates these
reel from fake. Yeah, we have

715
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:57.480
probative information that we can now research
and understand crop circle messages and you know,

716
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.840
BLT research. I think it's I
think that's what it's called. Like

717
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:06.519
big and let us tomato. Um
there they were funded initially by the Rockefeller

718
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:12.639
by Rockefeller, and I guess Bigelow
in a way as kind of the Rockefeller

719
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.760
of today, as far as uphology
goes, he used to be. Yeah.

720
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:20.559
Um. And of course he was
burned so bad and you know,

721
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.239
shredded, you know, by the
haters as well. Um, he's turned

722
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:27.519
away. He wants nothing to do
with it. I you know, it

723
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.480
has to do. People were thinking
there was the under well, this is

724
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:37.199
what I've heard. People were thinking
there was an underhand because of the fact

725
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.159
that he wanted you know, the
information. Um, and you know,

726
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:45.760
he wanted he actually got people involved
in doing research when mouve On couldn't do

727
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:49.360
it, when he just wanted you
know, answers basically. But he wasn't

728
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.159
hiding anything. He wasn't saying,
you know, we want the information and

729
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.559
no one else can have it,
you know type of thing. Edie also

730
00:58:55.679 --> 00:59:00.079
walcked it down, you know,
because his people were and discredited. You

731
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.679
know, if you can't kill the
story, go after the investigator. And

732
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:07.199
we've all experienced some of that even
within our own community. You know,

733
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:15.079
when I see somebody just hell bent
on taking down moof on or a single

734
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.159
person, you have to wonder what
that person's motive is, especially when that

735
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.400
person or this organization has been around
for a while and most people know their

736
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:28.199
background and know their you know their
fiber, So you have to wonder.

737
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.159
And I think we just need to
bring more sophistication into our thinking and more

738
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:36.800
of this critical thinking. We're either
going to solve this or we're going to

739
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.559
have fun doing it. Pick one. You can do both, but pick

740
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:43.400
one. If this is just kind
of fun and we love talking about it,

741
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.719
and that's okay, but admit it. Do not put your beliefs in

742
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:52.880
everything. Well, I think this, we got tons of that. We've

743
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.639
got you to go to Facebook and
get that. That's not what people expect

744
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.440
from me. That's not what people
expect from moof on or you. You

745
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:06.000
know, they're expecting a little more
diligence. And who's telling the truth,

746
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:13.719
who's worthy? Right? You know
it comes I was having this conversation with

747
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.519
them. I was talking to Scott
Ramsey the other day on the phone,

748
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:24.679
guy, really nice guy, and
we were basically coming up with sometimes you

749
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:30.639
know, he stays away from a
lot of the conferences, and I said,

750
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:35.079
you know why. Basically he says, well, because you know,

751
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.559
sometimes it can get, you know, wacky. He went to one where

752
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:43.360
there was a lot of whacky things
going on. I have noticed myself sometimes

753
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.440
and this this may get some people
upset. I don't know. But sometimes

754
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:52.920
the further out on the fringe it
is, the more people are engaged and

755
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:58.119
happy and getting you know, creating
a standing ovation. I've seen this happen

756
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.679
a few times. There's really no
control over that. It's just that I

757
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:07.159
think in that sense, it's almost
like a religion or something. It's almost

758
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:13.000
like people are looking for something,
you know. I I'm very interested in

759
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:17.920
this topic because I really think there
is something to it. I don't believe

760
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.960
that I feel it's like a religion, you know, I can't see that.

761
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.199
I don't feel that way about it. I just think it's very fascinating

762
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.079
and I think there's something to it, and I think there could be answers,

763
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:35.079
hopefully in my lifetime. But do
you also feel like it's the same

764
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:40.880
people all the time every time?
This is something else? I'm doing a

765
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:51.679
lot less conference even speaking, I
love Congress. So but I work Converress.

766
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:53.400
When I go, i'm working.
I know I didn't see it when

767
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:55.880
the last time I was there,
I didn't. I didn't see you anywhere.

768
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.280
But the upfront helping Karen, that
holds. Yeah, and it's important,

769
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.880
and it's important, and I'll tell
you why, because Oleandro and Karen

770
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.199
have done a lot for a lot
of people out here, me included.

771
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:15.599
They're amazing friends of mine and they're
loyal friends of mine. And yeah,

772
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.760
I will stand a back of that
counter and sell their T shirts and work

773
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.400
and I'll clean toilets whatever they need, because this is how we help them

774
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:30.280
be successful in also providing you know, um, you know, decent speakers

775
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:35.719
and commentary. This is my way
of helping them as well. So,

776
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.880
you know, but doing a lot
less conferences because I need to work.

777
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:47.119
I need to get we need to
get some of this stuff put together.

778
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:53.039
We're seventy years old as a field
as uthologists, and move on fifty years.

779
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:57.760
Where's our stuff? Our stuff's all
over the place. I used to

780
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.440
ask all the time, where's your
stuff? Move on? Well, what

781
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:04.960
I realize we have stuff everywhere.
Our messaging is horrible. Why do people

782
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.400
not know it. Why do our
own members ask, well, where's the

783
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:14.719
Star team investigations? They were on
seven of the journal covers and searchable,

784
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:16.760
like, how do we not know
this? How are people missing this?

785
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:22.679
So you know, I think it's
messaging. But fifty years we have to

786
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:29.440
be able to put together something.
We have fifty years of eyewitness testimonies all

787
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:36.320
over the world. Muffon is the
archivists and the world historians of investigated cases

788
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:42.719
from eyewitnesses. That's remarkable, amazing. I try to take a call a

789
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.639
call. Are you on the line? I guess it didn't go through it,

790
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.480
so we may be having a call
come in, and I encourage the

791
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.960
caller to try again, so that
numbers up on the screen and YouTube.

792
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.840
If anyone wants to call in that
numbers are given another try. If somehow

793
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:01.239
I disconnected you, So yeah,
during the second hour, we take calls

794
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.000
if people would like to call in. They're trying again here, let me

795
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:11.800
give it a shot, unless there's
something wrong with Skype. Hello there,

796
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:16.320
um, this is Martin and you
are joined in on the call. Your

797
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:20.360
first name and where you're calling from. Hi Martin, This is Andy from

798
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.519
Stratford, Connecticut. Hi Andy,
welcome to the show. You have a

799
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.880
you have a question for our guest, So yeah, sort of a question

800
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:36.119
slash observation. I just wanted to
say put in my two cents for the

801
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:43.920
UFO issue for the big picture is
just that you know, any exposure is

802
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:45.880
good, whether you like the tt
say and what they're doing or not.

803
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:54.519
And just that I feel like what
you know, for instance, with the

804
01:04:54.599 --> 01:05:01.199
uss nimits the tik Tak incident,
the government or the DoD was going to

805
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:06.960
eventually have to admit that there's another
reality and then that would enable, as

806
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:14.199
it did the TTSA to to go
public and to you know, form form

807
01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:19.159
as an organization and to start discussing
the subject. And I think it just

808
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:25.519
points to the fact that as things
develop and move along through time, the

809
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:30.519
government's not in control of the subject
or you know, the phenomenon, and

810
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:35.360
that people continue to see things different
sizes and shapes and colors all over the

811
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:43.159
world, and that they were eventually
or it was inevitable that the government was

812
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:47.719
going to have to relinquish their you
know, tight lipped, top secret treatment

813
01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:54.599
of the subject. Can you hold
just one second, um sure? I

814
01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:57.239
just want to just want to say
I have another caller on the line.

815
01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:00.400
Caller, you're going to have to
hold on. Okay, Oh, that's

816
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:01.440
fine, thank you, all right, all right, go ahead, keep

817
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:08.159
going. So yeah, just just
that you know the big picture, it's

818
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:13.920
it's all headed in the direction of
ultimately the governments of the world will have

819
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:19.039
to admit we're not alone. Something's
happening because they're not in control of the

820
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:24.960
subject. It's and that's pretty much. I'll conclude my comment with that that

821
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:30.280
I don't know feel, but you
are absolutely right, absolutely right. One

822
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:35.079
of the other things we're learning when
we really look at the government and listen

823
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:40.360
to what lewis telling us, the
government doesn't know anything either. They're they're

824
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:44.119
stumped. They didn't have an answer. They don't know what this is either.

825
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:46.960
So, Um, you're absolutely right, Andy, And this is another

826
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:51.760
reason it was anti correct. Yeah, okay. And this this is one

827
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:58.760
of the reasons that um, your
comment and your call is so appreciated because

828
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.440
they're not in control. And that's
not a good thing. When you're in

829
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:06.039
charge of national security, when the
public trusts you to be in charge and

830
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:11.920
can protect our nation and you know
the people that are here, and to

831
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.599
find out that they have no idea
either. They're not in control. And

832
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:21.159
that's something that we consider in our
think tank. What if this secret is

833
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:29.280
in ours to tell? What if
the ramifications are so dire on humanity?

834
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:33.880
If their agenda is put out there. In other words, they're in control

835
01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:42.079
of disclosure period. So really appreciate
you call. And that's great, a

836
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.760
great conversation. Yeah, thanks for
the call. Andy, Okay, I'll

837
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:49.840
let you guys go. Happy New
Year, Happy New Year. Yeah already.

838
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:53.760
Bye. All right, caller,
your first name and where you calling

839
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:58.519
from? My name's Danny. I'm
calling from Indiana. I'm sorry, what

840
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:02.199
was your first name? My name's
Denny. I'm calling from Indiana. Hi,

841
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:05.440
welcome to the show. You have
a question for Chase? Oh?

842
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:08.639
Yes, and Mark? And I
just wanted to say your show is so

843
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.519
underrated. You have a great approach
to the subject. I'm new to it

844
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:16.039
and it's hard to sort out some
of the credible information that's out there.

845
01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:18.560
I just wanted to say that to
you. Hey, thanks very much.

846
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:23.319
I'll appreciate that. If you're welcome. Mind just like a two part tour.

847
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:29.239
The first question is how do we
know that some other country, maybe

848
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:34.159
even one hundred two hundred years ago
didn't get a jump on us somehow,

849
01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:39.560
some way, And these are theirs, and they're going out, they're going

850
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:44.239
about every day with fixed wing year
craft and just as normal as anybody else

851
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:47.159
is. And these are theirs.
And the second thing is I've been trying

852
01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:54.199
to Lou brought this up, the
burning fusee theory. What's your opinion about

853
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:58.920
that? Like a glitch, like
how a fuse burns uneven? For instance,

854
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.640
say that in seventeen hundred and forty
nine, or some little kid in

855
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:06.039
the field he sees something go across
the sky and he doesn't know what it

856
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:10.880
is. It could be a pilot
from nineteen ninety three and the stealth bomber,

857
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.880
the pilots. I'm aware of the
little kid, and it's just right

858
01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.479
where past, present and the future
that point right there where These are just

859
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:23.479
like little glitches. And those are
the two things that I want to know

860
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:29.239
your opinion on interesting. I love
the fuse theory, and of course that

861
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:33.920
is how quick that little light is
on a fuse, so when you light

862
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.479
it, you see where it's gone
in the past. But that little tiny

863
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:45.279
spark compared to this big past and
future is really a reality. That's it's

864
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:54.319
so quick. So the way Lou
explains it is fascinating. Yeah, I

865
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:59.279
definitely believe that time travel. It's
something that we've been looking into, you

866
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:01.239
know, we have ever it's you
know, from the Nazis, you know,

867
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:06.399
World War two and most likely even
um back in the ancient days when

868
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:14.239
even mumification came from trying to transferse
you know, into the future as well.

869
01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:19.039
So it's interesting. Um, it
just makes sense if this is going

870
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:26.640
to be dimensional, if this is
going to be um something that's that physics

871
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.520
that we don't understand. Um,
And I really think we have to pay

872
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:34.520
attention to that. Then us from
the future or glimpses from the future.

873
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:40.840
It's absolutely possible. Um. So
that was a great question, and I

874
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:44.760
am so sorry, Danny, I
can't remember the first The first one was

875
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:48.000
basically and I can kind of address
that one, or I think I can

876
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:55.880
anyway. Is the possibility of another
country having this technology and using it for

877
01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.680
many years? Isn't that? It
isn't that the question? Denny? Yep.

878
01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:02.039
I'm like, what's say that maybe
they weren't able to make something that

879
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:05.720
looks like a tick tap two hundred
years ago, but they got to jump

880
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:11.640
on everybody else and they're just going
about as they're normal, their normal activities

881
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:15.479
with fixed wing aircraft, and that
they're no more advanced than us. And

882
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.039
these are theirs, you know,
China or Russia, and they're they're playing

883
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:23.239
the uf all thing and these are
theirs and they're just going out about you

884
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:27.479
like they don't have this psychechnology or
do we know this stuffs coming from space?

885
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.159
I mean, how do we know
it's not China or Russia for sure?

886
01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:33.359
Well, I'll dress that and you
can throw in your two cents chase

887
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:39.840
if you want to after. I
basically just think that if they had that

888
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:44.760
type of technology, it would be
used against us during some type of conflict

889
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:49.079
because because we'd have absolutely no defense. If someone had, you know,

890
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:53.560
the technology that people are seeing,
they could basically take over the world in

891
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:57.920
a way. You know, in
my opinion, maybe I'm going a little

892
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.840
too far with it, but I
also think that I don't believe if another

893
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:10.119
country had that type of technology that
we wouldn't be aggressively trying to our government

894
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:15.760
wouldn't be aggressively trying to crack that
and figure it out through spies or whatever.

895
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.000
I just think would be kind of
impossible to hold that part secret.

896
01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:25.920
What do you think about that,
Chase? I agree, especially because the

897
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:30.119
world leaders or humans have a tendency
to want to pee on their bushes,

898
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.079
right. They want everyone to know
I own this, this is mine,

899
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:39.960
look at us, and we're big
dogs in the in the playground, and

900
01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:47.680
so that that's one of the factors. And I do agree with your listener.

901
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.560
You are one of the better shows
out there. Martin. You're my

902
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:56.920
favorite host. I've told you that
from day one. You were the first

903
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:02.880
professional interview and great questions that I
was ever given. Um, it's well,

904
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:06.159
I just loved it. I felt
so good leaving your show because you

905
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.640
didn't, you know, treat me
like the cheerleader, you know, with

906
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:13.199
all the silly questions. You hit
hard and I love that, and uh,

907
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:16.319
to this day, you are my
favorite radio show. So I agree

908
01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:19.319
with your listener on that as well. Thank you. I've been saying that

909
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:24.319
for years, right, yeah,
thank you. That's very nice you and

910
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:29.039
what a nice New Year's gift.
Thank you both. All Right, Danny,

911
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.159
thanks you. Danny. All right, we have a caller trying to

912
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.399
get in. I'm not sure what's
happening, Why it's not working. UM,

913
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:38.760
I can just tell you you try
again, and if you're trying to

914
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:43.159
call Skype, perhaps maybe that's doing
it. Just try to call UM.

915
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.119
Try to call through a regular phone
that number that's up on the screen.

916
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:51.960
So we're we're in the second hour
of fifteen minutes or so in and we

917
01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:57.960
wanted to discuss when you're talking about
the future or twenty nineteen, were you

918
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:03.000
talking mostly about the think tank or
where there are other other things directions you

919
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:11.079
think we should go to. I
think there's so much possibility that was opened

920
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:14.760
up with a tip coming out as
to the Stars Academy is awesome. They

921
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.119
got bank so they could do a
lot, but it was really low and

922
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:24.920
a tip that blew the lid right
off. So I believe now that's given

923
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:29.399
us a chance to go in and
talk to our lawmakers. We need help

924
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:33.039
with some of these documents being declassified, but we need to brief them because

925
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:41.199
this phenomena isn't going to stay hidden
for long. There is going to be

926
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.680
whether it's sizzle or steak, things
are going to happen this year. They

927
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:50.159
just have to. We all feel
it mounting, We see it mounting.

928
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:56.520
Everybody's kind of giving us little tidbits
and little bites and couple SIPs of milk

929
01:14:56.560 --> 01:15:00.920
here and there, you know,
and we're waiting for that. Luel Azando

930
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:05.319
actually came out and said that in
spring of twenty nineteen, we're going to

931
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:12.079
be having a completely different discussion and
uphology. You heard that, a symposium

932
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:16.239
and you know what that means is
you know, don't know. Is this

933
01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:19.439
steak or is it sizzle? I
don't know, but we have to be

934
01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:24.119
ready for both, because even a
sizzle is enough for us sometimes to keep

935
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:29.399
a gold for another three years or
much like a tip did, it changes

936
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:36.960
our direction. And again, we
have to be careful about discrediting without proof.

937
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:45.560
This man is a veteran who gave
so much for the safety and security

938
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:53.039
and freedoms of this country. To
discredit somebody of that caliber and that honesty

939
01:15:53.399 --> 01:16:00.359
because you don't like intelligence groups,
well, unfortunately those intelligence agencies really do

940
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:04.039
a lot of service of keeping us
safe and not living like Paris right now.

941
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:09.720
So I think there's um we have
to be careful about discrediting good people.

942
01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:14.119
And you know, lou is a
veteran and he's an honorable veteran,

943
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:17.319
his DD two fourteen, and his
awards are he can't even talk about some

944
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:20.119
of them. But trust me when
I tell you, this is a four

945
01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:30.000
oh military member UM that honorably served
and went into this UM A TIP program

946
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.359
as a contractor. See, this
is not an active duty program. This

947
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:38.199
is this is civilian. A TIP
is civilian. And when he wasn't getting

948
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:43.520
the cooperation or the attention, when
when he's showing the evidence that they have

949
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:47.760
to the people above, they're still
kind of seeing UFOs. You know,

950
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:54.920
he knew he had to break out
of that little tiny group and and just

951
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:59.199
start impacting the public because the public
is going to change the mind to the

952
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:03.319
lawmakers. I live in DC.
You were just here this summer, Martin.

953
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:06.319
I can tell you one thing.
This place is a swamp. One

954
01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:11.239
hundred and fifty percent. I've never
seen so many self serving people in my

955
01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:16.479
whole life, their careers, their
money, their paycheck, and it's it's

956
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:24.039
disgusting. And to have somebody like
Lou quit his job to come out because

957
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:30.079
he knew this swamp was never going
to give this topic the credit it deserved.

958
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:34.239
Why are we not applauding him for
that alone? The man quit his

959
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:43.039
job to make a point, wrote
a letter to Maddest mad Dog and explained

960
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:51.039
this topic is not getting the support
it deserves and the attention for national security.

961
01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:55.319
And then we want to pick on
him out here and call him a

962
01:17:55.319 --> 01:18:00.560
disinformation agent again, I ask,
where's your proof? Tell me what information

963
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.479
he has put out here? Tell
me what he's lied to us, because

964
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:08.199
they're not talking to us. And
that's the first thing people have to realize.

965
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.399
They don't care what you fologists are
thinking right now, they don't need

966
01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:16.319
us. They have made that message
perfectly clear. And I heard Grant Cameron

967
01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:20.920
say a few months ago, you
know they fired upologists. Do you blame

968
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:28.039
them when ninety percent of everything you
hear out of our mouth is rhetoric hearsay?

969
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:32.199
You know, just it's ridiculous.
I think it's time that we embrace

970
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:40.439
our professionals that have been involved one
way or another or have access to and

971
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:45.760
that's a government. Are we going
to get played Probably a couple of times,

972
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.720
but it's everybody going to do that. I don't think so. We're

973
01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:54.479
we weren't born yesterday. We've been
learning along the way as well. Right

974
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:59.800
now. You know, when I
was talking to lou in the Quarter and

975
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:02.279
Cherry Hill a regular guy, and
we get you know, because I'm in

976
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:05.720
the fine arts and nantiques and all
that. He was showing me pictures on

977
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:10.600
his phone of things that he's collecting, and uh, you know, we

978
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:15.000
had a great conversation and um,
you know I said to him, I

979
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:17.039
said, you really, if I
invite you to on the show, you

980
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:21.600
probably couldn't come on a regular UFO
show, could you? And he said,

981
01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:26.039
well, he said, well I
would, but you'd have to you

982
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:30.640
know, you'd have to talk to
not as publicist maybe it is a publicist

983
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:34.560
for TSH TTSA or whatever it is, but I'd have to clear have to

984
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:40.720
be cleared with them. I didn't
even try, Yeah, because I understand

985
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:45.119
that it's it's just a no go. And you know, I never really

986
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:47.439
thought about it that much until you
you just brought this up during the show

987
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:53.159
that you know, they don't need
us as much as we want to be

988
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:58.159
needed. You know, they they
have the money, they could go get

989
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:00.279
their own evidence. And not only
that, you know, they may be

990
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:06.239
able to get some answers, but
um, but the fact is that they're

991
01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:11.760
trying to get the information to the
public. And that's kind of what our

992
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.920
goal has been, you know really, UM is to get you know,

993
01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:20.359
information out there. And you know
the so called disclosure as you say,

994
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:27.640
um, but that word, yeah, that's the horrible noise I make.

995
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.760
But uh, you know I don't
yeah, the word disclosure, it's just

996
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:34.239
um. But things aren't going to
be breaking open. And you know,

997
01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:41.159
I love the fact that UM.
I saw Martin at the citizens hearing for

998
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:46.760
disclosure a few years back. You
know, these former congress and senators.

999
01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.359
First of all, Steve Bassett took
a lot of heat because they weren't you

1000
01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:58.439
know, they were former well,
um, congresswoman Kirkpatrick. People are crazy

1001
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.039
if they didn't think that that woman
and could pick up the phone to Obama

1002
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.439
and he would pick up for her. And probably not half of the active

1003
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:10.600
or serving members of the House and
Senate now they don't know how DC works

1004
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:14.840
if they looked at these guys as
impotent in any way. But I saw

1005
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:20.479
on Monday these very professional people sit
on a panel in front of everybody,

1006
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:28.920
and they were polite. They were
very polite, they paid attention and very

1007
01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:31.840
proud moment when I watched friends like
Richard and Linda raise their right hand and

1008
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:35.800
swear in. I mean, it
was all absolutely according to all the rules.

1009
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:42.960
If this was done at the Capitol
or Senate room, and by Wednesday,

1010
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:48.079
these same former lawmakers were pointing fingers
and saying, we need to open

1011
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:53.840
those files, we need more information. I walked away from that hearing knowing

1012
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:58.680
one thing, and that is with
the right education, the right commentary.

1013
01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:03.359
I watched them understand that this is
a real phenomena and they want answers to

1014
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:10.760
and if we can do that,
if those people, those witnesses could convince

1015
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:15.359
six of them, we need to
be talking to the people that are actually

1016
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:19.720
in charge of threat assessment and intelligence, committing the Council of National Security.

1017
01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:26.159
Why are we not at the UN
you know, watching what just happened.

1018
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:30.560
It's not only possible, it's going
to happen. It has to happen.

1019
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:34.079
And I really believe Martin that a
tip coming out, Lou coming out,

1020
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:40.560
what he's done to the stars is
a group that's entertainment and science. But

1021
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:46.239
let's not forget a tip and Lou, what he's done for uphology brilliant.

1022
01:22:46.760 --> 01:22:53.439
And I'm also going to throw Biggielow
in there. This man has put more

1023
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:58.560
money into ufology than anyone else I
know, other than maybe Yuri you know,

1024
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:09.239
in Russia. But he's never stopped. He's interviewed professional aerospace company CEO

1025
01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:14.680
and he's asked the question about aliens
on sixty minutes and he doesn't waiver,

1026
01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:18.800
and he stood firm and he said
what he said. How do we not

1027
01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:29.119
respect somebody that tells the truth even
when it could hurt him? And that's

1028
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:33.239
right, that's right. And he
doesn't need the ufologist to continue his belief

1029
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:39.640
or to collect evidence. So if
I think, if we as upologists just

1030
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:45.039
kind of take a lead, maybe
get back to our roots of critical thinking,

1031
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:47.720
Get back to our roots of nuts. You know that nuts and bolts

1032
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:55.079
and real investigation, calling sources work
in the phones, offering the public probative

1033
01:23:55.239 --> 01:24:01.479
information. Go back to the cash
Landrum UFO incident that would pass a court

1034
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:06.520
of law. John Shuchler was amazing
getting that information. Look at some of

1035
01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:13.640
these files of the people in our
past. McDonald's keyhoe, Oh my gosh.

1036
01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:15.560
We have to get back to those
roots and stop spending so much time

1037
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:23.560
on Facebook arguing and proclamating. You
know when people come at me and say,

1038
01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:26.279
well, I don't believe this.
Well, why where's your proof you

1039
01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:30.439
think it's this? I have all
my stuff on the table, I have

1040
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:33.960
my labs, I have my work, all my notes. Where's your stuff?

1041
01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:40.119
You know? I have no time
on Facebook. You could, you

1042
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:42.600
could go on and you could.
I think it tells you. Last time

1043
01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:45.840
I've been on was probably three weeks
ago. I have no time for this

1044
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.640
anymore. I have no time for
gossip and the bull crap and the anti

1045
01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:56.479
the disruption. I believe that's also
purposeful, and it's put in here for

1046
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:59.920
a lot of reasons, and then
it's fed. I call it feeding them

1047
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:03.359
monsters. You know who the big
mouths are. You know who the big

1048
01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:06.880
dogs are that aren't afraid to bite. And you keep feeding them, and

1049
01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:12.840
you keep feeding them, and you
keep feeding them because they keep this and

1050
01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:16.960
the more they keep ratcheting up,
the more distraction on the real truth,

1051
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:24.640
especially when they're going after people that
have a history and are known to tell

1052
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:30.479
the truth or to be out there
giving real information. I debunked the star

1053
01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:32.680
Child's skull. That was a big
deal. I mean, you know,

1054
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:36.439
there's tens of thousands of people that
knew that was an alien And the truth

1055
01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:40.680
is science doesn't care what we believe. Sorry, guys, it's human.

1056
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:45.439
Here's the proof, and we put
so much out there and control that in

1057
01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:50.760
a way. You do everything.
You knew what labs are, the DNA

1058
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:55.039
labs we used, you knew who
did it. The man who did the

1059
01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:59.399
testing is on the record, so
you can call and vet him. So

1060
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.960
when you have people out here that
you know are telling the truth no matter

1061
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:06.039
where it leads, even if it's
human and not alien, you know these

1062
01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:12.840
aren't headline seekers. There's many out
here. Those are people I want to

1063
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:15.760
talk to these days. I don't
do a lot of radio shows. I've

1064
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:20.279
actually turned a couple down this year, and I'm already and I'm only going

1065
01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:27.000
to be doing the ones where they
have professional people behind that truly understand the

1066
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:32.359
phenomena and want to get real information
out to the public, none of the

1067
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:40.279
silliness or bravado or look at me
tactics. And why just you were talking

1068
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:45.039
a minute ago about social media and
Facebook and why do you think that is

1069
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:54.520
such a breeding ground for argument of
and proclamations. I rarely, very very

1070
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:59.359
rarely get into a UFO subject there, but I did just a little blurb

1071
01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:03.199
the other day and wow, I
couldn't believe the hammering, um right,

1072
01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:10.760
you know, and it's just basically
opinions. And do you think that um,

1073
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:15.720
for the new person that's someone that
UM, you know, I think

1074
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:19.560
there are a lot of new people
actually listening and to this show and other

1075
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:24.439
shows and because they're fascinated and a
lot of that does have to do with

1076
01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:29.560
the Pentagon Um. You know article
that came out a year ago. And

1077
01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:31.840
and by the way, it's been
over that you you were on in November

1078
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:40.520
of of of last last year,
twenty seventeen. So this all happened since

1079
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:44.359
you know, this article came out, since you were on then. Um,

1080
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:47.439
But there are new people coming in. Do you think that social media

1081
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:53.760
just kind of forces them out and
away from the topic if they start looking

1082
01:27:54.119 --> 01:28:00.560
into the subject that way? I
do you know, who wants to enter

1083
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:04.960
a cess pool? It really is? I mean, who wants to get

1084
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:09.000
involved in that? And all of
a sudden have your name targeted so that

1085
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:13.920
you know, everybody's on your page
throwing the shade right, it's you know

1086
01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.119
who wants to do that? I
can tell you that, UM, A

1087
01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:19.520
lot of people don't anymore. They'll
they'll keep it very quiet. But they

1088
01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:23.319
are coming to move on, and
they are coming to shows like yours,

1089
01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:29.760
and they aren't listening to um open
minds and reading articles. Aleandro puts out,

1090
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:33.079
I mean they are finding the places, but it's it's not going to

1091
01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:39.000
be on the social media. Um, I don't even see where's the information?

1092
01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:45.399
UM's where's the good? Hey guys, did you see this? You

1093
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:47.920
put that up? And ten minutes
later it's like this whole thing on the

1094
01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:54.039
new latest one the Mexican the alleged
crash right over the border and El Paso.

1095
01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:56.560
You know, a bunch of people
run over and they're pulling this stuff

1096
01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:00.159
and they get it to these United
States. Oh my gosh, look at

1097
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:05.920
that thread. Now this is the
small plane collision supposedly, and the army

1098
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:10.720
shows up. Yes, I tell
you tell you a story about that.

1099
01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:14.560
I had, uh, Bill Burns
on I don't know, a couple of

1100
01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:18.439
years ago and we were talking about
that case and someone this was just a

1101
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:23.680
couple of days ago, Oh I
know, yes, So I had someone,

1102
01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:27.960
um say that they were actually there, you know, they were in

1103
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:30.800
you know, and you know,
wanted to get interviewed. And Bill was

1104
01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:34.119
all excited about it. We got
all the information. I started doing research

1105
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:36.760
on the guy and I found out
he would have been eight years old.

1106
01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:44.319
So yeah, so another you know, there are there you have to watch

1107
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:47.000
for that. So this thread just
came out recently. Yeah, and it's

1108
01:29:47.159 --> 01:29:50.199
breaking on Facebook and of course,
you know, move On ends up getting

1109
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:57.359
a report on it. So you
know, we have great investigator, investigators

1110
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:01.239
down to El Paso that actually have
knife links in Mexico. So you know,

1111
01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:08.079
we're working the case. But you
know, it's ten minutes old.

1112
01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:13.199
People don't even know the facts,
and they're already hammering and cheering, and

1113
01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:17.600
you know, whatever the reaction was, it's there are no facts and algready

1114
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:21.279
the threads, you know, going
crazy and and good and bad, and

1115
01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:26.039
I just I don't know, maybe
I'm old school. I just I just

1116
01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:29.199
don't want to do that. I
respect people that go to a source.

1117
01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:32.760
It was like the Malibu underwater base. Um, you know that report.

1118
01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:38.359
I did it completely. It's a
thrust fault. But it surprised me.

1119
01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:45.359
No one called Google what No one
called them and said, hey, how

1120
01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:50.840
how does this structure look so amazing
like a man made structure appear? And

1121
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:55.920
for the depth it is why are
we not seeing every other downed aircraft or

1122
01:30:55.960 --> 01:31:00.640
you know, sunken boat and treasure
ship you know out there? Why does

1123
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:02.279
this stand out as such an anomaly? Come on, guys, did you

1124
01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:06.359
fake it? Like? What are
you doing? And they and in my

1125
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:11.680
report I name exactly who I talked
to and why I called Google and exactly

1126
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:15.760
how they do it, and the
computer actually fills in the gaps. That's

1127
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:18.640
right too, that there was a
triangle on the moon that was the same

1128
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:24.199
thing. And when you find out
how they do it. But it surprises

1129
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:30.359
me as much as as much hoopla
over this underwater anomaly we've seen on the

1130
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:36.640
internet that nobody called Google. Yeah, the author of the photograph which is

1131
01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:40.159
not a photograph, but you know, it's just like, you know,

1132
01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:45.439
we forgot how to investigate, is
my point. And books were written on

1133
01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:51.119
it and big conspiracy television shows.
There were some very very invested in it.

1134
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:56.720
That was yeah, I remember that. And then you learn that some

1135
01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:01.760
people needed it to stay and under
water alien base. That's right, because

1136
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:09.600
that's bank. Yeah, that's right. That's really sad too. So popping

1137
01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:13.640
caps see in the message room,
ask why should we rely on move on

1138
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:20.319
shouldn't we learn to discern absolutely and
discern everything. Um, this is being

1139
01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:27.279
smart, very correct. What was
his name again? Popping caps? See

1140
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:32.279
as excellent, excellent question, And
it's a good habit. You know,

1141
01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:36.199
everybody in move On's are not perfect
either, as everyone knows. We have

1142
01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:40.800
some self afflicted wounds, and we
have a lot of accusations we don't deserve.

1143
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:45.520
But in the end, I believe
nothing of what I hear and only

1144
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:49.520
half of what I see. And
that's a good way to start. You

1145
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:53.800
walk in and you let the evidence
take you where you need to be.

1146
01:32:54.359 --> 01:33:00.399
Um, it's it's kind of how
I keep my objectivity. Well, there's

1147
01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:02.800
someone in that I've watched him posts
a ton of times here in the chat

1148
01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:10.399
room and very negatively on and don't
trust anyone that promotes to the Stars Academy

1149
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:15.319
scam, you know, going on
and on about that, and everyone can

1150
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:19.680
have their own opinion of course on
but to not for someone to say do

1151
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:27.039
not trust Chase that upsets me.
Tom. So you can go away if

1152
01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:32.079
you'd like. But I've had an
endorsed to the Star's Academy. So if

1153
01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:35.520
that's my accusation from the guy in
the chat room, he's not listening.

1154
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:41.760
Again, this guy's part of the
problem because I never endorse him. I

1155
01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:45.880
endorsed a tip and lou Elizondo coming
out and telling us that Pentagon I have

1156
01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:50.520
never endorsed. I called him an
entertainment and science organization. Period. I

1157
01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:55.840
don't endorse or I don't slam.
I don't really have an opinion. I

1158
01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:59.319
don't know enough about to the Star's
Academy, Yeah, but I do know

1159
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:03.199
about eight. That is a problem
because a lot of people do not have

1160
01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:10.760
a lot of people don't have the
information and make an opinion before they even

1161
01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.600
have the information. And you know, I think that's what's going on here.

1162
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:20.079
What do we look for with our
whistleblowers, credible witnesses. Louiz he

1163
01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:25.199
hasn't lied about his background, not
one iota. I have verified that,

1164
01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:28.359
and so as many other people.
By the way, I'm not the only

1165
01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:31.920
one. And what's he saying?
What has he said that has been untrue

1166
01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:38.319
so far? So until I have
a reason to distrust or call this man

1167
01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:43.680
a liar with his background, if
I don't have that proof, I'm not

1168
01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:48.600
going there. And again, this
is the problem with people that just want

1169
01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:54.239
to come on and throw shade.
You know this is you know they know

1170
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:59.760
better. Why give me your proof
If I'm not supposed to trust this or

1171
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:03.520
anything I've said turn out to be
untrue, knock yourselves out. Guys,

1172
01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:09.399
don't follow me like I have no
problem with this, because I'll tell you

1173
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:11.920
what. We have our head down, and my head is going to be

1174
01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:15.840
so down in twenty nineteen because I
don't want to miss the important facts.

1175
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:21.319
I don't want to miss any of
our opportunities because I'm too busy hating and

1176
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:27.680
pointing fingers at people when three are
looking back at me. One of the

1177
01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:31.760
conversations I mentioned the other day,
I was talking with Scott Ramsey on the

1178
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:36.399
phone for quite a while, and
you know, one of the things that

1179
01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:40.560
comes up a lot of my shows
or people will email me about it,

1180
01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:45.199
why do you only talk about old
cases? And that was the subject that

1181
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:48.199
he and I were speaking about.
And a lot of the reason is because

1182
01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:55.720
the material becomes non classified after a
while and you can get more information,

1183
01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:00.119
and which I think is important and
a lot of things are unfolding, and

1184
01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:03.640
you know, I personally told him
I was a total skeptic of the Aztec,

1185
01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:11.359
the Aztec crash and he said he
was too, and then he kept

1186
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.760
digging into it and finding more information
that was being declassified and going, oh,

1187
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:19.840
he was actually discouraged that he found
out, Well, this is actually

1188
01:36:19.880 --> 01:36:27.159
turning into something what is the average
year that a government documents or things like

1189
01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:30.000
this would be classified? Some fifty
four years, isn't it? And that

1190
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:33.680
what are we coming up one fifty
years of some of the biggest stuff.

1191
01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:39.600
So he's absolutely right, we're going
to have more and more answers if we're

1192
01:36:39.600 --> 01:36:44.680
paying attention to the documents that are
being declassified. I'm afraid we're going to

1193
01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:48.319
lose our Stanton Freeman's I'm afraid we're
going to lose the people that you know,

1194
01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:51.720
broke open some of these big cases
and you know, they put boots

1195
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:57.720
to the ground and did interviews and
wrote notes and face to face with witnesses.

1196
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:04.840
And I'm afraid we're going to lose
these people to the rhetoric on like

1197
01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:09.399
the social media and just you know, some of these open forms. It's

1198
01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:13.199
easy to throw barbs when you can, when you can have a name like

1199
01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:17.439
Tootsie Butt or you know whatever,
and it's easy to throw shape you're completely

1200
01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:23.960
anonymous in the back but stand up
and debate of Richard Dolan or one of

1201
01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:30.800
our greats and uphology, um,
and come at them with your admissible facts

1202
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:38.720
and your debate points and even common
sense. Come at us and let's have

1203
01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:44.800
a conversation. But you know,
unfortunately a lot of people are just stepping

1204
01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:47.680
back and you know, doing their
thing internally, and we're going to end

1205
01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:53.920
up with these little think tanks and
little groups that you know, people are

1206
01:37:53.960 --> 01:37:57.640
now going to accuse of. You
know, we're all hiding our stuff or

1207
01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:03.199
even coming together much like an a
tip or to the Start Academy, little

1208
01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:08.600
pockets of information, because who wants
to stand out there and even put up

1209
01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.439
with that? I don't. Right, right, we have a caller,

1210
01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:15.560
call her your first name? Where
are you calling from? My name is

1211
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:19.279
Amdas. I'm coming from fuck On, Sweden. Oh, hey, welcome

1212
01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:21.600
to the show. What time is
it there? Yeah, thank you?

1213
01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:29.359
Oh it's about six o'clock tm ah, All right, well thanks so much

1214
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:31.920
for calling in. You have a
question for our guests? Yeah, I

1215
01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:40.439
didn't watch the show from the starts, so my question was about this start

1216
01:38:40.520 --> 01:38:47.159
child scholar. What's happened alter the
investigation? Oh? I believe she did

1217
01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:50.640
speak on that. So you did
miss that part of it, but um,

1218
01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:55.880
well go ahead in a nutshell if
you want to chase and talk about

1219
01:38:55.920 --> 01:39:00.119
that. We did a lot of
Hi Andreas, thanks so much for calling,

1220
01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:04.119
especially you know, uh Sweden.
You know, we knew we had

1221
01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:09.479
a big audience internationally, but that's
that's so awesome. Thank you. The

1222
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:15.720
Star Child Skull was was a difficult
investigation to get into because Lloyd Pye was

1223
01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:20.800
so loved and of course the Starchild
people desperately wanted this to be alien or

1224
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:27.640
hybrid, and unfortunately science doesn't care
what we believe or what we want.

1225
01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:35.439
I really wanted an alien who doesn't
But unfortunately, all of the DNA testing

1226
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:40.520
that I did and Melanie Young and
Carrie McClure, it was a team of

1227
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:45.600
three of us, the three of
us, it all matched exactly what Lloyd's

1228
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:50.880
DNA testing was finding. Is that
was the maternal DNA was absolutely human.

1229
01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:58.199
We did get the paternal or the
nuclear DNA, and unfortunately that was always

1230
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:03.359
the anticipation that that's going to be
the unidentified part and it wasn't. Is

1231
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:11.239
completely human, and we found some
of the genetic markers for the disease for

1232
01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:15.359
the shape of the head, and
we even found the Haflow group of the

1233
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:23.279
Little star Child. Since his investigation, Melanie Young, the owner has repatriated

1234
01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:30.239
the star Child skull, the original
little Guy back to his people in Mexico.

1235
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:32.920
And nice. That's good. Yes, that's a really big deal.

1236
01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:39.840
You know, this little guy,
even before Lloyd had him, had been

1237
01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:45.680
lacquered, put on a plaque,
hung on a wall, has ball caps

1238
01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:48.840
put on him for pictures, cigarettes
hanging out of his mouth. I mean,

1239
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:57.720
I am my heart is happy that
he is now back where he belongs

1240
01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:02.279
with his people. Yeah, excellent. Did you have any address? Do

1241
01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:09.199
you have any other questions? Yeah, well that's what's the stop question in

1242
01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:13.640
my head. And I'm very grateful
for that answer. Thank you, Chase.

1243
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:19.840
And you have a very good show, so thank you. And happy

1244
01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:26.159
new Yeah, yes, happy New
Yere and thanks so much. Um day,

1245
01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:30.840
he's got an awesome show. Stay
tuned everywhere. Ye all right,

1246
01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:34.359
Um, so we have we have
like a I don't know, maybe five

1247
01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:40.720
five, We could go ten more
minutes or so. Um. And I

1248
01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:45.039
think there's been some good callers and
the line actually it just took the number

1249
01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:48.760
down so we wouldn't take any other
calls, but I could take another call

1250
01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:51.960
if someone would like to um,
if someone would like to call in,

1251
01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:57.479
I'll pop that number back up over
there again if anyone would like to give

1252
01:41:57.479 --> 01:42:00.359
a ring. UM. So,
I think we've covered a lot of really

1253
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:06.640
good ground, and I'm really interested
if you'd want to come back again,

1254
01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:13.079
of course, within a year,
and we'll talk about what your think tank

1255
01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:16.600
came up with. I mean,
it's it's really amazing. I mean I

1256
01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:20.600
watched a film back in the I
think it was sometime in the fifties.

1257
01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:25.159
It was just a clip on YouTube
where there was this guy saying, I

1258
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:28.720
hope, I hope, I hope
I find out the answer in my lifetime.

1259
01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:30.840
And he looked like he was about
in his you know, sixties,

1260
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:35.640
nineteen, yeah, fifty, And
I think that's the way a lot of

1261
01:42:35.640 --> 01:42:40.600
people have a feeling. This is
I got to tell you, since this

1262
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:45.279
last year is the first time that
I've felt like there is a possibility that

1263
01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:48.079
we may know something. You know, the last time we had a chance

1264
01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:54.800
like this was the error where least
Eagel and people forget he spoke at the

1265
01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:58.600
un that's right, he had the
ear They had a panel and you know

1266
01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:03.960
he was with a couple others.
But um, yes, we need to

1267
01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:10.680
get back to that type of uphology, that type of research and determination.

1268
01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:15.479
And this stuff's not for the faint
of heart. It's not Um, this

1269
01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:19.159
isn't X files where you know we're
getting cool car chases and you know,

1270
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:24.720
all the excitement and breaking into top
secret security bases. Um, this is

1271
01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:30.960
about sitting in dirty little basements at
the National Archives and going through boxes.

1272
01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:33.279
You're looking for anything, a little
piece of paper, a little mark that

1273
01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:39.319
would indicate, oh there's something here
and this paper didn't belong here. Um.

1274
01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:43.119
You know there's a lot of um, you know, sitting back and

1275
01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:49.680
just you know, a lot of
a lot of legwork and um consideration what's

1276
01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:55.119
admissible or not. But that's my
goal this year. I don't care about

1277
01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:58.560
lights in the sky. I know
that sounds terrible, but we have tens

1278
01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:02.479
of thousands of these reports. Yeah, we want the evidence. Yeah,

1279
01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:09.199
that's our job. The public has
heard enough opinion, they've heard enough proclamation,

1280
01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:13.680
they have heard what we believe,
they have heard everything. What they

1281
01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:18.600
need to hear is fact, evidential
fact, and that's it. Yeah.

1282
01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:25.479
I had the great fortune. I
had David O'Leary from from he's the creative

1283
01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:28.640
Project Bluebook on the History Channel.
What I did is like, oh yeah,

1284
01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:31.560
I can't. The History Channel actually
contacts me a number of times and

1285
01:44:31.680 --> 01:44:38.399
asked me, you know, for
for different people, for different situations,

1286
01:44:38.439 --> 01:44:42.079
things like that. And so I
contacted them and said, hey, you

1287
01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:44.520
have Project blue Book, I'd like
to be able to interview someone, and

1288
01:44:44.760 --> 01:44:47.760
they got me in touch with David
O'Leary, great guy, really nice guy.

1289
01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:53.399
Interviewed him two weeks ago. And
so then the other day I got

1290
01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:59.600
this little email that said screeners available
to me because I featured him on the

1291
01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:02.520
show. So I got to watch
the first six episodes of Project Bluebook.

1292
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:08.520
Oh my gosh, what's that amazing? And I also heard Richard Dolan um

1293
01:45:08.720 --> 01:45:12.760
they have him now coming in and
weighing in after every single episode. Oh

1294
01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:15.880
yeah, they're going to have like
a separate show where they they'll have,

1295
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:20.359
yeah, like talk about the cases
in reality. Basically they have their their

1296
01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:26.479
fiction but based on reality and you
know some of it. And I've even

1297
01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:30.800
talked to I talked to David yesterday
just you know, briefly, I said,

1298
01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:32.560
I love the show. I love
it, and I think everybody that's

1299
01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:36.079
into the topic is really going to
love it too. It does embellish a

1300
01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:40.960
little bit heavy here and there,
but um, that's where they're going to

1301
01:45:41.079 --> 01:45:44.239
kind of counterbalance by having, you
know, someone like Dolan come in and

1302
01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:46.840
talk about the real and Jacque Fleet
I know that he's been yes, yes,

1303
01:45:47.439 --> 01:45:54.279
yes, it's amazing. Um is
that they've they've been that diligent as

1304
01:45:54.279 --> 01:45:59.840
well. They really want this even
though they took some liberties with the dramatization,

1305
01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:02.560
they really want to tell the truth
as well. They want this to

1306
01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:10.640
become you know, fantastic and but
also truthful. I just really love the

1307
01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:14.399
integrity behind this show too. Yeah. Well, I'm going to tell the

1308
01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:17.199
listener out there, you're gonna love
the show. If I mean I love

1309
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:19.760
the show. I really got into
it. You get really attached to the

1310
01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:26.279
characters right away and have some great
actors, and so the whole, the

1311
01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:30.079
whole ballowaxes. It's just like I've
watched the six episodes and I can't wait

1312
01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:33.279
for the next one, you know, I can't wait. I can't wait.

1313
01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:36.199
Yeah, yeah, and that starts
at January eighth. For all the

1314
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:41.199
listeners out there, I think we're
going to call it a day. Chase.

1315
01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:44.880
Now you have a website just your
basically, and it's not an easy

1316
01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:47.680
name to say or spell. I
know it's not the Let you know.

1317
01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:53.279
The first name is Chase and that's
normal chafe and the last name is k

1318
01:46:53.640 --> 01:47:00.000
l o E t z k E
and it's just Chase clitsky dot com.

1319
01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:03.399
And you know, I wish,
I wish I was more visible on social

1320
01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:08.000
media. I tell everybody tap me
there. You know, I love hearing

1321
01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:11.439
from everyone, but um, you
know, I'm just too busy for the

1322
01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:15.119
rhyd Rick. So so email me
or contact me through the website. That's

1323
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:18.119
the easiest way to get me.
Now. Yeah, all right, Chase,

1324
01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:23.159
Hey, well thanks so much.
It's it's been as always. You're

1325
01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:27.560
you're just wonderful to talk to.
Have always had a great time and it's

1326
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:30.760
always fun to see you at different
events as well. And you take care.

1327
01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.560
I have a wonderful twenty nineteen and
we'll have you back and you can

1328
01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:36.439
tell us what happened with this think
tank. I can't wait to talk to

1329
01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:41.800
you about it. So awesome,
Thanks Martin. As always, it's been

1330
01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:45.560
such a pleasure. Thank you.
Okay, you take care. Bye.

1331
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:49.560
Bye bye, all right everyone,
So um, that is it for the

1332
01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:56.199
show, and thanks so much for
listening, and we'll be back next week.

1333
01:47:56.319 --> 01:48:00.119
And I'm trying to get Robert Powell
on the show. I don't have

1334
01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:03.079
a confirmation, so that may or
may not be. We'll see, well

1335
01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:06.800
who we will be back with,
and that will be on January eighth,

1336
01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:12.880
on Tuesday. Again, I want
to thank everyone so much for listening to

1337
01:48:13.279 --> 01:48:17.000
excuse me listening to this show,
and also for help the people that help

1338
01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:20.279
us out. It really means a
lot, a lot to me and I

1339
01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:25.399
really appreciate it. So we'll be
back next year, all right, keep

1340
01:48:25.439 --> 01:49:00.840
your eyes to the sky.