And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham pars consider it doesn't
involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our
heads, funny, soulciery, stunning, clearly. He turned over to my
father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and said,
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show. I'm Martin Willis, your host, and we have a great show
for you today. Alejandro couldn't make it. It's just myself and my guests.
Chase Klutzky always enjoy talking to her. She's a lot of fun and
I feel she's a friend. And we are going to be talking about this
is our happy New Year's show. We're gonna be talking a bit a little
bit about what is going on during this year and then the future ahead.
And also just to let the listeners know, I'll be joining Lee Spiegel and
Aljandro Rojas. We do a yearly Year in review. That'll be coming up
on Open Minds not this coming week, but the week after, I believe.
So that's always a lot of fun, so you can check that out
on Open mindstock TV. Anyway, I appreciate as this is a New Years
show, I do appreciate everyone that helps out with the show. It really
means a lot. I couldn't do it without you. And with that,
I am going to introduce my guest. Welcome to the show, Chase.
Thank you. It's so exciting to be here, especially for the New Year's
show that I wouldn't be anywhere else. Yeah. Yes, And it was
quite an interesting year indeed, wasn't it. I think honestly it was one
of our biggest years when it came to information and change and excited men.
So much happened in twenty and eighteen, I think so. I think so.
Now for the listener, it's the who. It's the first time.
I know you've been on several times, but we have new listeners all the
time. Can you kind of explain your background and who is Chase? Well?
I've been a upologist since nineteen ninety four and I joined move On in
nineteen ninety six. And you know, have had various jobs throughout this organization
for many, many years, a couple of decades actually, But you know,
I also have a big presence and I've trained very active in other kind
of side projects. I love exploration, and with my forte and specialty being
forensics and evidence collection, It's led me to exquisite places such as Peru,
the Amazon Bolivia, extracting all sorts of DNA and evidence and iCal trace components
to things that we're really trying to solve some of these mysteries. Yes,
and I remember talking about some of the stories of your exploration really exciting.
You were having a ball, and I do you feel like in some of
those countries you feel like there's a little bit of danger? How does that?
How's that? I don't think I've ever been to South America without some
sort of incident we had. I was with LA's exploration team a couple of
years back, and we were just crossing the border into Bolivia and these two
agents came and pulled La Marzouli, Aaron Judkins, and myself away from the
group. But the group was, you know, so focused on kind of
maneuvering to get through the crowd to get to our bus. They didn't notice
we were taken, so instead of going back to the passport building, we
just left. They actually brought us down this little path to this dilapidated building,
set La and Aaron out in like a hallway where these two folded chairs,
one was even broken and leaning terrible little place, and then brought me
to the back and shut the door, and I knew I was in a
little bit of trouble. At that point. The Bolivian agent asked me to
empty my pockets and empty everything out of my purse. And as I'm doing
this, I'm hearing like chaos in the background, like something being ridiculous and
loud, and all of a sudden, the door comes pop it open,
like they busted through the door, and it was La and Aaron, and
they're just screaming and yelling and making a lot of noise, like you're not
keeping her back there by herself. What do you guys want? You know?
What is is about realizing, thank goodness that I was with men you
know, who weren't afraid to kick it up and take a chance instead of
be doing what they were told. Because it was very clear that they brought
us to an area that they needed to be quiet as well. They didn't
want others to see what they were doing, so it was illegal, so
they just made noise, you know, creating that kind of attention they didn't
want, and they literally let us go. He said, you know,
put it back in your pocket. Get out, get out, get out.
So very grateful that you know we have you know, I'm usually with
a team of explorers and investigators that we really take care of each other when
we're out there. And do I remember right that you have a background also
in self defense or something like yeah, yeah, it's you're you're already in
a little trouble when you're sizing up people you're around, when you're already looking
like all right, I could take him, and then you're looking around it's
you know, and then we have to remember, you know, we're in
their territory. Um, you know, almost everything we do we probably wouldn't
get away with because we stand out like sword thumbs, um, you know,
so there's a lot of diplomas see and um just knowing um, you
know where you are and you know what you what you can do. It's
it really is an alertness and being very aware of your surroundings at all times.
There's no um closing your eyes for a moment. The soldiers a couple
of places I've been where they're soldiers with automatic weapons is always very intimidating to
me. Yeah. Yeah, get off a plane in Israel and you're met
with soldiers and oozis. Yeah, it's like some of these countries that just
don't play, you know, that's that's you know, what you're dealing with,
especially overseas. They have a lot of their own um rules and the
way they do things. The most recent trip I was down with Bohi rus
and Inca and Eqoquest Enterprises with Timothy Alperino. It's his group, and that
was really interesting because you know, we put boots on the ground and in
places that had never seen humans before, so it was very very interesting.
It was the most dangerous thing I've ever done, and I can't wait to
do it again. These guys were everything from the bullet ants to the terrain.
It was treacherous and dangerous and just amazing. But again, you know,
with people that know what they're doing and how to negotiate and be around
some of this. My niece has done some exploring and places that I wouldn't
go and talked about, you know, parasites and I don't know. We
were in the Amazon, in the jungle, and everything wanted to eat us,
right, plants, animals, insects, I mean, everything wants to
eat you out there, and it's just really interesting. I think the tree
frogs are one of the most poisonous shoe right, They're so cute. It's
just like all these cute little bugs. I'm like, oh, they're like,
don't touch that. It's the most painful, you know, a bite
ever. And so it's interesting. But Timothy Um is you know, a
very very popular investigator and explorer as well, and he runs um a conference
every year in Branson, Missouri with Steve Quayle and it's Gen six and of
course that's a playoff Genesis six. So um it's a huge conference. It's
sold out every year for the last three years at three thousand people, and
their live feeds are about ten thousand. It's it's crazy, um um group
of people that are just so interested in the topic. Yeah, okay,
well we better steer a little bit into the UFO topics since the show um
so UM. I know i'd like to end the show, you know,
talking about you know, UFOs forward and you know two nine, two nineteen,
you know what we could be looking for there. I think it will
be an interesting year myself another one. Um, but can you also,
uh, I hate to put this on you, but I just love you
talking briefly in a nutshell about the most amazing experience, one of the most
experiences in my intro and everything, the Cornfield. Can you can you kind
of bring that up again because just again, there's a lot of people who
have never heard your story before. It's it still remains one of the biggest
things that ever happened to me as an investigator. And this was two thousand
and ten about spring April, late April May um and I was called out
to an investigation. One of the witnesses reported into mouf on and Um that
he was witnessing all sorts of things from these orbs of light for lack of
better word, orbs, but these balls of light that you know, he
and his cousins would chase down the roads. And you know these are um,
you know, very very rural isolated farm land and ranches um way way
back in Tennessee. And you know he triangles. There was a lot of
things that you know, he was reporting on a daily basis. And of
course I was stalled getting out there for a couple of weeks because there was
an epic flood, the what they call a thousand year flood from Memphis to
Nashville, so it really ruined our passage to the area on you know,
most of it anyway. But I got there, and Um, eventually,
from the minute I stepped out of my vehicle, UM, he pulled me
and the other investigator to the end of his driveway and you know, was
um looking up and said, oh my gosh, you know, this is
this is what we see. And I look up and there's these little,
um, little specks of light starting to pop out. They were clearly different
colors as well, and they would form these patterns and kind of maneuver as
one unit, but then they would separate and kind of dance around. And
if you got tired of this little group, there was another one here,
and another one on another piece of the sky. But there were several of
these going on, and the witness and at this point, you know,
I've gotten you know, I've got my pad out and I'm looking and we're
like looking for satellites and you know, all sorts of things, meteor showers
and give me anything. I'm already seeing things that I think are awesome.
This is what we're looking for, you know, right angles, that kind
of maneuvering in the sky is exactly what ufologists are trying to catch. But
then he tells me that he has a cornfield and it's just down the road
and it's huge, so you kind of have this big, open panoramic view
of it's unobstructed. You could see so much of the sky and at that
point the corn was only about four or five inches high, so it's repliable,
so we could drive on and walked on it, not going to hurt
any crops. But it was flat land, you know, there was nothing
there to obstruct. So we jump in his truck and he takes us down
there. And it wasn't long. You know, we're setting up equipment,
getting everything done, but you know it was eventually, you know, a
light appeared in the distance, and you know he's all excited. Oh my
gosh, yes, you know, Chase, Chase, Chase, this is
what you know, I wanted you to come out to see. And I
see this one light and it's white, and it's coming towards us, and
I'm freaking excited. I'm picking up my camera as I'm trying to, you
know, take pictures. Nothing's working, my trifieldmeter, nothing, it's all
dead. So at this point, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, it's
that battery drain that we experienced often in UFO investigations as well as paranormal sometimes
even big foot investigations. But we you know, it kept coming, it
didn't stop the event. Pretty soon, two other lights appear and I just
I can't believe it. There's three of them. Three objects are coming this
way. And then I realize, Martin, as it gets closer, it's
it's one object. It's so clearly a triangle. At this point, there's
just one object. Not only does it black out the stars, but as
it's coming closer, you're just it's different. It's just different the way it
moves. It's hard to explain. It's not drifting, floating, flying toad.
It's just different. And we're just standing there. I'm still trying to
pick up cameras, I'm still trying to do something with it. But you
know, this triangle literally flew over that cornfield right over our heads and eventually
went off into the distance. There was two other people there beside you at
the time in the cornfield. His cousins were on the sidelines, so yeah,
yes, they saw the triangle absolutely. And then all of a sudden,
you know, there's a I'm reaching down after the craft is gone,
of course, and I'm reaching down looking at my equipment, and I'm so
frustrated, like I'm ready. I was already ready to drop f bomb.
In fact, I think I did one or two because I was so frustrated
because it's right there. You know, I have all the equipment in the
world, and it was useless, absolutely useless. And it's so frustrating as
an investigator because nobody cares what I think. As an investigator, No one
cares what I believe. And I didn't want just another story. We have
tens of thousands of stories. We need evidence. So anyway, I decided
I pick up my cameras. They're all back online. It wasn't a battery
drain. I don't know what happened, but everything was back full power.
Everything was working. But at that point, I remember it was the trifield.
Yeah, it was my Trifield meter, and I just decided I'm changing
batteries anyway. I just got nervous with trusting that. So I'm a Trifield
meter. The one that I have. You have to unscrew the battery case.
And I was doing that, and all of a sudden, I just
got this really really paranoid feeling of just someone was watching. And I said
out loud, hey, guys, does anyone else feel like you're being watched?
And I don't mean down here? And about that time, Martin,
it was like this physical thing. It was a physical transformation that just kind
of pounded into the body. I felt something enter and it was terror apps
terror. And at that moment, I went from very excited seeing this triangle.
You know, we were happy, Dan saying, you know, we
were this was no joke. We had just seen something that's not supposed to
exist, right into this feeling. Every cell of my body was absolutely terrorized,
absolutely terrified. And it was physical, and I just remember turning and
running. As I'm running, I just remember hitting something really hard. It
turned out to be the witness who had stopped. He was in front of
me. And it's funny more and because the other thing I really remember was
the strangest thing. It was as light as I'm running, this light is
just doing this left right, but in this you and it turned out to
be the witness running with a flashlight. So yeah, all of a sudden,
he stops. I run into him, smack in the back. I
don't even know how we were still, and I really hit him hard,
and I grabbed the back of his shirt and I remember him saying something like,
what the what the ff is this? And he takes his left hand
and he swings it out, and about six feet from us was this little
being. And I remember the very first thing that went through my mind was,
oh my god, it's not that cute little roswell guy. So and
after one one thousand and two, that's the time frame that we stood and
we looked. I looked straight into this being. We started running again and
we jumped into truck. We went back to his driveway and we all kind
of tumbled out, like, wait a minute, what just happened? We
saw a being. At this point, Martin, we had to call the
state director at the time was Eddie Middleton, and the other investigator was on
the phone making the call to him to let him know you know what just
happened. Because we're now witnesses, we can't talk to each other and compare
notes until you know, we've been interviewed separately. But I can tell you
that we were back in that cornfield within thirty minutes of leaving it. Now,
the thing that frustrates me the most is people aren't listening. Sometimes when
we tell the story, they're like, oh, my gosh, she ran
away from an alien. No, we didn't. We had this controlled fear
or this fear that whatever that was, we had no control. We did
exactly what we were supposed to whatever reason. I am sure after all these
years, we were not supposed to be in that field at the time,
and I'm not sure if it was a triangle or you know, the being
or whatever it was out there. The other thing is we didn't run away
from that being. We ran towards it. It's why it was only six
away. So this wasn't being afraid of contacting or afraid of that being.
No one knew he was there. We was the being between you and the
vehicles were you parked. It was off to the side. We were running
towards the vehicles, but we were more at them as were as a vehicle
would be twelve o'clock. We were running more at ten. We were running
more at the at number ten, and we get to that spot there's the
being, and then we're back into the vehicle. It was about two weeks
before I realized that the other investigator never saw the being. She was already
by the time we all turned and ran at the exact same time, same
direction, everything. She was already ahead of where that being was at the
time. Wow. And I didn't know that for two weeks. I just
assumed she saw it too, but you know, she didn't. And of
course we didn't really talk to each other because we were post to until we
were debrief by other investigators. But um, did you ever compare stories to
the after you were interviewed? Yes, Um, not until after we were
interviewed. And then I meant, yeah, yes. Then, you know,
I promised the witness as soon as that was completed, we could compare
stories. And um. We actually had a really small little conference in Tennessee
and Eddie wanted us to talk about this case, and it was it was
too soon, you know, emotionally, I don't know, I just we
weren't ready but we did it anyway, and we laid out the case with
all the facts. Eddie was there. The chief investigator at the time,
Max Mitchell, he came out to the site. I mean, there was
plenty of moof on investigators that had come out and you know, check things
out. You know, my husband had been there. I mean, there
was you know, a lot of investigation after. I think will miss that
because they love to hear about what happened in the cornfield and they forget that
there were months of inquiry and investigation and uh, you know, forensic type
um work in that cornfield after and um, you know, it's just to
this day, it's still a mystery. When you talk about it, does
it kind of give you anxiety? And even know it really does and yeah,
yeah, and you try hard, you know, to stay calm when
and I don't know why, Martin, it's like so long, it's been
several years, and I still get a knot in my stomach when we get
to the point of seeing that, you know, a little being or it's
mostly the fear. That's just something I wouldn't wish that on anybody. And
it's such an odd feeling because it's hard as we remember, and this is
something I did talk with the witness and the other investigator. How long did
that fear last? I don't know when it left. I don't know.
I just remember I knew it hit me. I remember turning. I saw
everyone else turn at the same time. No one said what was that?
Oh my god? Run? Nobody said anything like that. We all just
did it, turn and started running the witness and I ran straight to that
being. You know, and that's something you know, you realize after the
more people, you know, thousands, without exaggerating, Martin, thousands of
people have written me, called me, talk to me, pulled me aside
and said, I know that fear. I felt that. It's so hard
to describe because it is every cell in your body understands terror and nothing else.
It's excruciating. It's an extraordinary feeling. And ever had it since or
before? No, that was it? Well, that was it. I
could tell you that when I talk about it, I feel like I started
sensing a little bit of what that felt like. But it's never even gotten
close. I mean, you know, this wasn't fight a flight, This
wasn't we were scared, and you know, it wasn't anything like that and
the witness you have to realize this is a real man man, you know.
He he brought a big shotgun. When we got out of the trunk
and I'm setting up a little equipment, he brings out this huge shotgun and
I just kind of look at him like, uh, Like I'm looking at
that point like, um, like, how stupid is this? Two girls
jump in a car, like what are we gonna do? We go to
a cornfield with this guy. We don't know because we just trust everything they're
telling us, which isn't exactly true. It's very credible, but uh,
you know, and the look on my face. He says, no,
no, no, Chase, don't worry. You know this is we have
a problem with kyotes. So in case, you know, they come upon
us, you know I can take care of He never said if we see
kyotes, you're gonna have to run and get in the truck. He brought
it. He brought a rifle or a shotgun or whatever it was. It
was just a big old gun. And he I realized at that point they
don't dial nine one one. They take care of themselves out there. It's
so rural by the time anyone would come out to help. Whatever was going
on is over, yea. So they're mostly calling police to you know,
clean up or tell what happened. But these aren't guys that are used to
asking people or running away or you know, they stand the ground and and
I do I know you can't disclose who it is, but I do remember
that you told me that this was someone that is known, yeah, for
his profession, absolutely, yeah, And it's one of the reasons he was
desperate. Seriously, It's one of the reasons the case was kind of shut
down a little is because it started becoming a circus, which is something I
promised him. It is so rural out there that even my vehicle being strange
driving down the road caught a t of everybody. Who's that What are they
doing here? Who are they going to go visit? And yeah, and
you know, when you start getting a lot of people and a lot of
inquiry, and you know, these strange people, what are they doing in
that cornfield? You know, it started to turn it into a circus and
we had to shut it down because his identity associated with the UFO event was
absolutely I think that thought just terrified him to the point where he'd back off
and say, I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, it
was just ridiculous. But I do have a feeling he'll come out eventually.
It may be a couple more years. I hope it's tomorrow, because you
know the other investigator, you know, she uh, she left shortly after
that, and she doesn't talk about it, and it's kind of I'm the
only one that's really talking about what happened that night, and it'd be nice
to have something collaboration, the witness come out would be so great. So
I'm waiting for that. I really am waiting. Now, how could you
go back there? You said you're back there in thirty minutes with that feeling
of you know, terror previously there. I just don't know when it left.
By the time we got out of the truck, Martin, it was
gone. I don't know if it left in the truck or at what point.
All I know is by the time we got to the driveway and we
were out, I realized, a wait a minute, like I'm kind of
thinking back to normal, you know, it was like, why did we
do that? But by the time we got out of that cornfield, nobody
had that fear anymore. There was none of that. So realizing you know
that, I probably I got more excited about the fact that, oh my
gosh, there was an entity on the ground, there was this being on
the ground. There's put Prince forensic evidence. I mean, I'm back in
investigator Road. I need to get back in that cornfield. That's what I
was thinking about. Hadn't even really processed the beer yet, you know,
or even afraid it was coming back. So you know, going back to
that field was just I was excited. I needed to get back and get
that evidence. And of course it wasn't une. Fourth. Yeah, and
the description. I remember you describing the being you said you saw for just
a flash, and I remember you saying something about the legs looking almost like
stick legs or something, really tiny legs. It's really stood out, Martin,
because you know, this being was small, about three and a half
feet. I don't really remember seeing the arms. I'm sure he had them,
but his legs were so twig like they didn't make sense. And it's
probably why it stood out. They wouldn't have piled his body. When I
say twig, it's like thinner than my pinkie. And you know, these
little and of course now realizing, you know, with the night shots going
back, you know, with the flash, like we realized that the angle
that we the light hit him, it was shadowed. You know, his
legs were probably normal. I just you know, we just saw the little
parts that were lit up. And you know the other thing that I couldn't
stop thinking about, there were two things on the way home. One was
that didn't make sense because that cornfield was so dark. This guy was amazing,
you know, with all the stars and it was such a clear,
beautiful evening. And how do you go from that dark to this halogen you
know normal you know most everybody has in their vehicle slashlight six feet from your
face, from that dark to bam, you know, blasted with this big
hologen light and not move. The being when I saw it, seemed completely
unaffected. It didn't squint, it didn't do this. It you know,
completely stoic, like it was mechanical. Although I knew the minute I saw
it it was biology. It was biological. It had skinned. His eyes
were real. This wasn't fake because I did look at this well were back
for a second that it could have been a scarecrow. I mean, I
don't even know if they used scarecrows. No, not not with this being
at all. What I did think back at the driveway was, you know,
those cousins were out there, but they stayed at the sideline. What
if they brought that being out and you know, set that little thing up
and you know, we you know, didn't see it for some reason walking
up because it was a little off, you know, and they waited for
that to happen. But it doesn't explain the fear, It doesn't explain the
triangle, It doesn't explain a lot of that. But when I came back,
I saw exactly because remember this is right after the waters receded from that
flood, so we had footprints everywhere it was. It was muney, not
the type where you're kicking up mud, but it was soft enough. I
saw it. Ever footprint we made, I could tell where we where I
hit him, where he stopped. There were no footprints coming here. So
in other words, the cousins couldn't have brought a fake being out there,
you know. And to tell you the truth, when we left, I
don't even I don't even remember seeing the cousins get into their vehicle or anything,
because they had one out there. I don't remember any of that.
I just remember us getting in the truck and we left so fast we caught
air coming out before we landed on you know, the main road, a
country main road to get back to his house, and we caught air.
And I remember the cousins kind of driving by after we had already pulled in
and they went home. They didn't even stop. They're gone. And they
also would not talk to anybody about it. After they were terrified. They
shut down. They didn't want anything. They did come out and beat the
state director Eddie Middleton, and they eddy got to talk to them a little
bit, just enough to acknowledge that they were there. And they saw a
triangle again by the way. Again they'd seen many. I saw one,
you know. So yeah, it's just yeah, I look for all of
that stuff. The other thing I couldn't stop thinking about on the way home
Martin was bullcrap. Nobody gets everything in one night. There's something wrong with
that evening. And to this day I feel like that, I feel like
there's something wrong. I can't find it, but I'm still looking, digging
in a little bit. I've never not had this experience kind of on my
mind. No matter where where I go, who I'm talking to, what
I'm doing, it's always there. So you know, I'm still trying to
figure out what happened. But I'm the first one to a met man,
you know. I wish I had something better to say, like a normal
UFO experience, something that's more common, things that we hear all the time.
But it's not. It's the craziest evening that makes absolutely no sense.
I can't make heads or tails of what was going on that the triangle caused
the fear, Was it the being? Was it a combination? You know?
And then there's always that thought that I didn't understand until a little later.
And you'll know this one, Martin, because when we talk to experiencers
or abductees, we hear often that they can feel what that being is feeling.
And all of a sudden it hit me, Oh my god, what
if that fear that was not human? It was so extraordinary, it was
tremendous terror was actually what that being was feeling and it was just projected onto
us. And if I can't even process that right now, I mean,
it's in my head. I just can't go there. Not yet. Now
you said earlier, when you started talking about this, you said that nobody
cares about what you believe or feel. Why would that be? I mean
you must have had colleagues and move on. You you could have called and
said, oh my god, you can't believe what happened, and you know,
share the story that way or does it all have to be just plain
documented and that's it? Like well, I meant more like as an investigator.
You know, when people call me out, they don't really care what
I believe about the UFO issue. That's not why they're calling me. They're
calling me because or contacting move on. You know, they didn't even call
me. This was a move on case. You know, they want an
investigator. They're looking for answers. They don't care what we think or believe,
you know, they they're not looking for um commentary. They're looking for
answers and that comes from evidence. So I'm very aware of this that people
don't really care. You know, um, I don't care what other investigators
believer thinks that you leave that outside. You know, you come in.
You have to have an objective, m completely clean slate every new every time
you walk into a new case, period. And that's you know something,
Um that I think that's what I meant. I don't think that's what I
meant. That's exactly what I meant. Is you know, um, you
know so many times, you know, people go in, well, I
think this is what happened to you. We need to stop that. Yeah,
that's not helpful. Yeah I understand, yeah, yeah, but um,
you know, obviously this is something that you know made you very emotional
and really affected your life. And have you written about this anywhere? Like
I, um, it's Ryan Sprague asked for this experience, but he was
writing a book about personal experiences like the personal what the takeaway personally on some
of these events with contactees, and so I let him write about it.
But nope, I haven't. In fact, TV all over it. They
want this story so bad they've offered to pay for even recently, as of
two weeks ago. I actually pulled it and said, no, that's not
for sale. This is not entertainment. It's real and it's it's it's a
mystery that has taken out an investigator that no longer is involved in the field
anymore. I don't know if this event had exactly to do with that.
All I know is she's gone, got car, left, left family,
house, husband. All Um really yes, yes, It's why I say
the other investigator and I don't name her name because, um, she wants
so part of it, so out of respect, I don't continue to bring
her in. Um. You know, the witness is still his whole family
was affected by the things going on. And UM, yeah, it's just
it's not for sale. I don't know any other way to put it.
Um. I do talk about it rarely, and I talk about it with
trusted people like yourself. Um, Aleandro, you know a couple others that
you and I know really well that I'm comfortable. Um, you know,
I yeah, it's still it's it's it's still something that you know, we
need to process these things. You know. It made me a better investigator,
Martin, because when you see something that hits you so deeply, and
i'd even say in your soul, it's just something that you can't just process
in three weeks or it takes a while. Now, I wonder if these
bigger experiences that we hear about from our experiencers contact these and abductees. It
takes some years, decades sometimes to be able to talk about what happened openly.
I had one night, one second and it Yeah, it's still with
me in such a profound way. Imagine having a lifetime of abductions and these
types of memories or experiences. That's nutty, Like it's like, you know,
you put it in perspective and it's extraordinary. Yeah, And you know
the strange thing about you know, you said, like all this happening,
and one night I was looking at the chat room and someone said it could
be interdimensional or something like that, and it's just one of these big,
huge question marks. You know, I believe it is. I'm going on
the record and saying that, and I've said this before. I believe,
even on your show, I don't believe that they're getting here on a full
tank of gas in a red bull. I really believe because every amateur or
strong word, we'd watch them enter our airspace. We would watch them enter
and transverse, you know, from the moon to you know, we could
see this now and we're not. So it's either cloaking technology or they're using
of physics we don't understand. And if we're going to be honest and if
we're going to finally as upologists put together some data. In other words,
what do we know? This is a big thing I'm doing in twenty nineteen.
I'm so sick of proclamations and guests saying and I'm like, move On
is fifty years old this year. We have fifty years of data. I
witness testimony, we have investigations into big things. We have contacts all over
the world. It's time we start using it. It's time we start putting
this puzzle together. So I really have created a think tank Martin where it's
we call a Strategic Review Team, And I'm really taking a very eclectic group.
We have amazing personnel in this. We even have the un prosecuting attorney
for war crimes in this think tank. Yeah it is. They're all move
On members. And what we're going to do is we are going to look
at the et hypothesis as an counterintelligence operation. In other words, like we're
going to find out about what does this terrorist group, what do we know
about them, what do they do, what's their ideology, are there anything
that they're doing logistically, how do they work? And that's how we're going
to attack this. And I know this is going to send some people into
the All I told you they're infiltrated by the government and secret service or whatever.
And the truth is this is smart. This is a smart way to
go after this because the first thing we do is what do we know?
We know their secret, we know they're clandestine. Why what is that?
Would what does this mean? The second thing we would answer is, well,
we know they communicate, right, they communicate telepathically, They communicate through
binary code. Crop circles. Crop circles. WHOA, there's something. Those
are testable scientific evidence because they're different and they're testable, and we're finding code
written in them. We have four now, all pretty much given us the
same message. So do we put this in the worthy column? Or do
we throw it out? So when we start putting together and looking at this
instead of as um, you know, a big mystery and you know,
UM, let's look at it like a reality, and let's look at it
like we would anything else. UM, a brand new hater group or you
know, how do we profile and put together and understand as a big picture.
And that's what we're doing. In twenty nineteen, we've already started this
think tank. Is um, you know what do we know? What do
they do? UM? What are some of the other implications we're going as
far as where are the claims you know Betty Hill, Um, some of
the things that she was told. Um, let's listen to this. Let's
listen to this, because I know our answers are going to come from the
eyewitness testimony and the experiencers, plain and simple. Um, what what is
the message? You said? There's two messages? Or well there's four,
like in the in the crop circles, Um, remember the typical gray head
and a crop circle with the disc. And then we have um and we
also sent out like remember our little DNA strand and had all these we got
one back. Yeah, yes, I think that's I believe. So,
yeah, and we get one back. Well, what does that mean?
Are they communicating with us? So it is a warning. It's a warning
about beware of deceivers and beware of deceivers with gifts. They're coming with promises
and gifts and we need to be very careful of that. Well, again,
as this think tank, what does that mean, Well, it means
we have a warning. So it means we have a friend or we have
allies. Somebody's caring enough about humanity to send this warning or is that warning
a deception in itself. Um, you know, so this is this is
where we're going with this. Instead of looking at this like a big mystery,
we're going after this like it's you know, a new group of people
or a new group that we have to understand and almost gather the same intel,
just like they've done in secret. You know, what do they know
about us? Are they studying? We need to do the same back.
We need to gather intelligence and figure this out. What do we know?
So unfortunately, this kind of has a bad contentation to it of you know,
people are going to be like, oh, you know, counter intelligence
operation, that's what she called it, you know, Bob. But it's
effective. This is an effective way to examine something. And it's also admissible
because they're going to be transparency with this as well. Oh absolutely absolutely,
because this is something that you know, even be talking about what we're doing
now very publicly, because this is something we should all be doing. You
know, I'm not keeping secret like, oh, well, we got something
that maybe coming out in a few months hep, No, let's talk about
it. Let's you know, keep things very open. And that's that's something
that move On needs to get better with. Their messaging. Part of our
mission statement is education and we have information everywhere Facebook, Twitter, on our
website, there's an open CMS log. Look at pull up UFO stalker.
Go on to the main website, go to track UFOs and hit that UFO
stalker. Tell me we're hiding anything. Come on, guys, this is
ridiculous That stalker tells you the log description where it is. You know what
kind what happened? Um. The only thing you're not going to get is
witnessed contact information and that's because most don't want everybody in the world given them
a call and showing up at their door. Yeah, you have to make
people feel safe if they're going to talk. Absolutely, so, you know,
I think I think we just need to get better at our messaging.
Why do people not know that we do all this? Why do people not
know that we have a symposium every year, or we have a journal that
comes out every single month, or we have newsletters, or states that are
actively involved, the state directors that are putting on meetings in every state around
the country and even other countries around the world. Why do people still want
to say Moupon doesn't do anything or generate information and it's not the public's fault.
We're not messaging correctly because we have all of this available, and yet
we still hear that it's crazy. Well, speaking of that, you know,
the To the Stars Academy UM or TTSA or whatever you want to call
it UM. I'm a big complaint about UM that you hear a lot about
them is that you know there's oh, there's something big coming up, or
you know, we can't like a lot of people are saying they're just holding
information and why, you know, what's their you know what's going on there?
What do you what do you feel about all that? I think we're
jaded with the disclosure and the claims of you know, it's break in,
it's coming. You know, this year is a year Hillary Clinton's the candidate.
I mean, we're so burned out. So I am I even hate
the word disclosure. I don't even want to hear it anymore. UM.
It's it's annoying. So for To the Star's Academy, they're new guys,
they're really new guys. They don't have the UM background to even know that
some of the cases they're working on or some of the evidence they picked up
has been done forty times already by many, many credible people in labs.
So you know they're new and UM, but they have money and that's always
going to be the difference of them being successful or not. And it takes
money to travel, it takes money to go get these things. It takes
money to UM analyze all this UM data and materials they claim to have to
correct. And I'm interested to see what they show us. UM. You
know, we all know they have a show on A and E coming out.
We all know that they've been very busy collecting evidence. UM. I
can't wait to see what they what they reveal, and I hope it's something
we haven't heard a hundred times before, you know, I think people you
know, we have benchmark cases Brendelsham, Roswell, Betty, Barney Hill.
These are all huge cases. But there's other things going on. Can we
hear about those for a while, if you know what I mean? We
keep rehashing the same old information and there's a lot of new stuff coming out.
So that's one thing. The other thing about to the Stars is they
really lou was going to ask what do we yeah, what do we think
about? Lou Well? I get mad at how quickly our field can turn
and just be so ugly. Honestly, we beg we have talked about for
decades, for you know, people like us that have been doing this for
more than two years. We have been trying to get lawmakers engaged and talking
about this issue. We've been trying to get our military and you know,
some of our secret keepers, some of our alphabet Agency CIA, FBI,
been trying to get these people to talk to us. And when they do,
first thing we do a shredel. Oh he's a secret agent. He's
doing this, he's doing that. What my question is, what disinformation is
Lou given us Because they're not talking to us, they're not talking to anybody
right now. They know who their audience is and it's the public. They
don't give two craps about what the uthologists think of them right now. Or
they've got their head down and they're working. And that was a lesson Moffon
took from to the Star's Academy. We're not going to that's not our audience.
Are not the people that have been doing this for forty years. Our
audience is the public who's looking for real answers, scientific fact, scientific certainty,
admissible conclusion and probative data. That's what the public's looking for. And
that's when I go back to what I first said, nobody cares what I
believe. We've got thousands of belief systems that people weighing in on their our
opinions. We hear them all the time. You know, it's all over
you know, radio, TV and you know. But I really am frustrated
that the minute, the minute, somebody comes out from our government. This
was huge for a tip to come out for the first time in a long
time, Martin. I felt vindicated as a UFO investigator for all the eye
rolling my friends have given me, for all the you know, tongue in
cheek jokes we took, that, you know, all the tin tinfoil hat
antics we put up with. And guess what, guys, fifth floor,
take a left, third door on your right, A tip been actively investigating
UFOs. What now? People? What now? Thank you Lou for bringing
that out, because to me, just that alone was worth everything. That
vindication, Oh my gosh, Martin, Right, yeah, I think it's
changed everything. And I know you and I both met Lou down at Cherry
Hill, and what a great guy. First of all, and I know
that he at first, you know, talking with Alejandro who talked to him,
you know, I mean I spoke to him there, but Alahandro keeps
in touch with him, I guess, or yeah, yeah, and I
did too. I did too, but yeah, Aleandro, I know it
is a good contact. Lou keeps Aleandro pretty close. Yeah, so,
but I know that, you know, he was you know, he was
actually rather hurt by some of the jobs that were thrown at him. And
you know, Alejandro basically says, don't look anymore, you know, just
because he was getting involved like in Reddit and you know places like that where
people were slamming him. And yeah, well I think it's all been good.
And um, you know I heard some naysayers and actually at the conference,
you know, after watching him saying, oh, you know, he
was boring, he didn't say anything. I could have done a better job.
And you know, I mean, I think there's a lot of jealous
in the field or something. Absolutely agree and we've seen it before. We've
watched the public build up who they want to hear from and then shred them.
It's it's it's an unbelievable field. And you know, we're fortunate.
Martin because you have amazing inner group of people that you're close with. Aleandrow
and a lot of those people that are we know that they're honest, and
we know that they're good people, and they treat people well, and we
like that, you know, instead of joining the bandwagon of criticism and even
going after those that come out how I don't understand, Martin. We're desperate
for whistleblowers. We want to talk to government officials, and the minute we
do, even like Bob Lazar, I don't care whether you believe them or
not. The fact that we ask for these types of whistleblowers and then we
spend so much time just spreading them. We're not listening. I think we're
not listening. And to tell you the truth, the Internet and social media,
it's the worst thing that happened to youthology. We forgot we're getting our
information off of social media instead of going to the source. I was so
thankful there was this thing with Secure Team ten and move On recently, and
it was so great because you know, these guys from Secure Team called us
and talk to us and emailed us, and you know, there's been this
ongoing and we have to go to the source. And we have to talk
to these people. I'm just amazed. If Bigelow offered me money right now
to investigate, and whatever I found I could give to the public, but
I also have to give it to him done New York second. Unfortunately,
it takes money to do what we have to do and to get where we
need to go. And I would take it in a New York second,
and people would shred me for it. And this is where we are,
Martin. We don't care. I don't care what the red rick is behind
my back because there's a lot of it on all of us. It's amazing.
I've got my head down. I'm working in my group, and whether
we're successful or not, we've given an honest and diligent try. And we're
not wasting time with the gossip and the bullcrap. We're solving issues. We're
meeting at think tanks. We're talking for hours about what do we know?
We're talking hours about our crop circles. Admissible? Is this admissible communication?
You know? We're trying to take it to a level where a dossier is
being written. Because I live here. I'm going to talk to Congress,
I am going to talk to the intelligence committee. We are going to get
our time with them. It's just a matter of time. We're going to
do this, and we need to be ready. We have to have a
professional dossier. We have to have a professional commentary and a summary to hand
them for them to understand. Would you would you take out like the question
to the think tank? And because I had I had someone call in the
other day and it's actually something I thought about a number of times, and
I think it is kind of meaningful in a way, and that is why
would these things have lights? It's a great question. I am going to
write that down and I have heard this one before because it's odd. Why
did they have lights? Um, they seem to have very earthlight technology or
an advanced species or advanced race that's transversing time and space, right, Yeah,
And do they have lights? Do they show the lights because they want
us to see them? Or you know, what is going on with the
lights because they obviously don't need them, you know, well, yes,
absolutely. And another question that we kind of consider is, you know,
even in the crop circles, why is it more recently that we're finding the
binary code? And of course, one of the answers from one of our
amazing minds really was Well, maybe they had to dumb it down because we
weren't catching the first twenty five or the first hundred, you know, we
didn't understand the sacred geometry. Or they're like, oh, they'll definitely get
this one. Nope, we missed it again. So yeah, we're still
debating on whether these amazing you know, geometrical sacred geometry symbols and shapes are
done by a board and a couple guys in the woods, even with the
forensic testing and analysis of blown nodes and you know the difference and in the
crop itself. Um, we're still fighting that crazy you know accusation. Yeah,
BLT research. Um, are you familiar you're familiar with them? Yes?
Nancy, Yeah, I had her on the show years ago. Interesting
woman and it is. And thank goodness for Nancy, Thank goodness because she
has brought the evidence. She has brought the science to the crop circles for
this to even be legit even if we found the binary code without her testable
science and discovery of what separates these reel from fake. Yeah, we have
probative information that we can now research and understand crop circle messages and you know,
BLT research. I think it's I think that's what it's called. Like
big and let us tomato. Um there they were funded initially by the Rockefeller
by Rockefeller, and I guess Bigelow in a way as kind of the Rockefeller
of today, as far as uphology goes, he used to be. Yeah.
Um. And of course he was burned so bad and you know,
shredded, you know, by the haters as well. Um, he's turned
away. He wants nothing to do with it. I you know, it
has to do. People were thinking there was the under well, this is
what I've heard. People were thinking there was an underhand because of the fact
that he wanted you know, the information. Um, and you know,
he wanted he actually got people involved in doing research when mouve On couldn't do
it, when he just wanted you know, answers basically. But he wasn't
hiding anything. He wasn't saying, you know, we want the information and
no one else can have it, you know type of thing. Edie also
walcked it down, you know, because his people were and discredited. You
know, if you can't kill the story, go after the investigator. And
we've all experienced some of that even within our own community. You know,
when I see somebody just hell bent on taking down moof on or a single
person, you have to wonder what that person's motive is, especially when that
person or this organization has been around for a while and most people know their
background and know their you know their fiber, So you have to wonder.
And I think we just need to bring more sophistication into our thinking and more
of this critical thinking. We're either going to solve this or we're going to
have fun doing it. Pick one. You can do both, but pick
one. If this is just kind of fun and we love talking about it,
and that's okay, but admit it. Do not put your beliefs in
everything. Well, I think this, we got tons of that. We've
got you to go to Facebook and get that. That's not what people expect
from me. That's not what people expect from moof on or you. You
know, they're expecting a little more diligence. And who's telling the truth,
who's worthy? Right? You know it comes I was having this conversation with
them. I was talking to Scott Ramsey the other day on the phone,
guy, really nice guy, and we were basically coming up with sometimes you
know, he stays away from a lot of the conferences, and I said,
you know why. Basically he says, well, because you know,
sometimes it can get, you know, wacky. He went to one where
there was a lot of whacky things going on. I have noticed myself sometimes
and this this may get some people upset. I don't know. But sometimes
the further out on the fringe it is, the more people are engaged and
happy and getting you know, creating a standing ovation. I've seen this happen
a few times. There's really no control over that. It's just that I
think in that sense, it's almost like a religion or something. It's almost
like people are looking for something, you know. I I'm very interested in
this topic because I really think there is something to it. I don't believe
that I feel it's like a religion, you know, I can't see that.
I don't feel that way about it. I just think it's very fascinating
and I think there's something to it, and I think there could be answers,
hopefully in my lifetime. But do you also feel like it's the same
people all the time every time? This is something else? I'm doing a
lot less conference even speaking, I love Congress. So but I work Converress.
When I go, i'm working. I know I didn't see it when
the last time I was there, I didn't. I didn't see you anywhere.
But the upfront helping Karen, that holds. Yeah, and it's important,
and it's important, and I'll tell you why, because Oleandro and Karen
have done a lot for a lot of people out here, me included.
They're amazing friends of mine and they're loyal friends of mine. And yeah,
I will stand a back of that counter and sell their T shirts and work
and I'll clean toilets whatever they need, because this is how we help them
be successful in also providing you know, um, you know, decent speakers
and commentary. This is my way of helping them as well. So,
you know, but doing a lot less conferences because I need to work.
I need to get we need to get some of this stuff put together.
We're seventy years old as a field as uthologists, and move on fifty years.
Where's our stuff? Our stuff's all over the place. I used to
ask all the time, where's your stuff? Move on? Well, what
I realize we have stuff everywhere. Our messaging is horrible. Why do people
not know it. Why do our own members ask, well, where's the
Star team investigations? They were on seven of the journal covers and searchable,
like, how do we not know this? How are people missing this?
So you know, I think it's messaging. But fifty years we have to
be able to put together something. We have fifty years of eyewitness testimonies all
over the world. Muffon is the archivists and the world historians of investigated cases
from eyewitnesses. That's remarkable, amazing. I try to take a call a
call. Are you on the line? I guess it didn't go through it,
so we may be having a call come in, and I encourage the
caller to try again, so that numbers up on the screen and YouTube.
If anyone wants to call in that numbers are given another try. If somehow
I disconnected you, So yeah, during the second hour, we take calls
if people would like to call in. They're trying again here, let me
give it a shot, unless there's something wrong with Skype. Hello there,
um, this is Martin and you are joined in on the call. Your
first name and where you're calling from. Hi Martin, This is Andy from
Stratford, Connecticut. Hi Andy, welcome to the show. You have a
you have a question for our guest, So yeah, sort of a question
slash observation. I just wanted to say put in my two cents for the
UFO issue for the big picture is just that you know, any exposure is
good, whether you like the tt say and what they're doing or not.
And just that I feel like what you know, for instance, with the
uss nimits the tik Tak incident, the government or the DoD was going to
eventually have to admit that there's another reality and then that would enable, as
it did the TTSA to to go public and to you know, form form
as an organization and to start discussing the subject. And I think it just
points to the fact that as things develop and move along through time, the
government's not in control of the subject or you know, the phenomenon, and
that people continue to see things different sizes and shapes and colors all over the
world, and that they were eventually or it was inevitable that the government was
going to have to relinquish their you know, tight lipped, top secret treatment
of the subject. Can you hold just one second, um sure? I
just want to just want to say I have another caller on the line.
Caller, you're going to have to hold on. Okay, Oh, that's
fine, thank you, all right, all right, go ahead, keep
going. So yeah, just just that you know the big picture, it's
it's all headed in the direction of ultimately the governments of the world will have
to admit we're not alone. Something's happening because they're not in control of the
subject. It's and that's pretty much. I'll conclude my comment with that that
I don't know feel, but you are absolutely right, absolutely right. One
of the other things we're learning when we really look at the government and listen
to what lewis telling us, the government doesn't know anything either. They're they're
stumped. They didn't have an answer. They don't know what this is either.
So, Um, you're absolutely right, Andy, And this is another
reason it was anti correct. Yeah, okay. And this this is one
of the reasons that um, your comment and your call is so appreciated because
they're not in control. And that's not a good thing. When you're in
charge of national security, when the public trusts you to be in charge and
can protect our nation and you know the people that are here, and to
find out that they have no idea either. They're not in control. And
that's something that we consider in our think tank. What if this secret is
in ours to tell? What if the ramifications are so dire on humanity?
If their agenda is put out there. In other words, they're in control
of disclosure period. So really appreciate you call. And that's great, a
great conversation. Yeah, thanks for the call. Andy, Okay, I'll
let you guys go. Happy New Year, Happy New Year. Yeah already.
Bye. All right, caller, your first name and where you calling
from? My name's Danny. I'm calling from Indiana. I'm sorry, what
was your first name? My name's Denny. I'm calling from Indiana. Hi,
welcome to the show. You have a question for Chase? Oh?
Yes, and Mark? And I just wanted to say your show is so
underrated. You have a great approach to the subject. I'm new to it
and it's hard to sort out some of the credible information that's out there.
I just wanted to say that to you. Hey, thanks very much.
I'll appreciate that. If you're welcome. Mind just like a two part tour.
The first question is how do we know that some other country, maybe
even one hundred two hundred years ago didn't get a jump on us somehow,
some way, And these are theirs, and they're going out, they're going
about every day with fixed wing year craft and just as normal as anybody else
is. And these are theirs. And the second thing is I've been trying
to Lou brought this up, the burning fusee theory. What's your opinion about
that? Like a glitch, like how a fuse burns uneven? For instance,
say that in seventeen hundred and forty nine, or some little kid in
the field he sees something go across the sky and he doesn't know what it
is. It could be a pilot from nineteen ninety three and the stealth bomber,
the pilots. I'm aware of the little kid, and it's just right
where past, present and the future that point right there where These are just
like little glitches. And those are the two things that I want to know
your opinion on interesting. I love the fuse theory, and of course that
is how quick that little light is on a fuse, so when you light
it, you see where it's gone in the past. But that little tiny
spark compared to this big past and future is really a reality. That's it's
so quick. So the way Lou explains it is fascinating. Yeah, I
definitely believe that time travel. It's something that we've been looking into, you
know, we have ever it's you know, from the Nazis, you know,
World War two and most likely even um back in the ancient days when
even mumification came from trying to transferse you know, into the future as well.
So it's interesting. Um, it just makes sense if this is going
to be dimensional, if this is going to be um something that's that physics
that we don't understand. Um, And I really think we have to pay
attention to that. Then us from the future or glimpses from the future.
It's absolutely possible. Um. So that was a great question, and I
am so sorry, Danny, I can't remember the first The first one was
basically and I can kind of address that one, or I think I can
anyway. Is the possibility of another country having this technology and using it for
many years? Isn't that? It isn't that the question? Denny? Yep.
I'm like, what's say that maybe they weren't able to make something that
looks like a tick tap two hundred years ago, but they got to jump
on everybody else and they're just going about as they're normal, their normal activities
with fixed wing aircraft, and that they're no more advanced than us. And
these are theirs, you know, China or Russia, and they're they're playing
the uf all thing and these are theirs and they're just going out about you
like they don't have this psychechnology or do we know this stuffs coming from space?
I mean, how do we know it's not China or Russia for sure?
Well, I'll dress that and you can throw in your two cents chase
if you want to after. I basically just think that if they had that
type of technology, it would be used against us during some type of conflict
because because we'd have absolutely no defense. If someone had, you know,
the technology that people are seeing, they could basically take over the world in
a way. You know, in my opinion, maybe I'm going a little
too far with it, but I also think that I don't believe if another
country had that type of technology that we wouldn't be aggressively trying to our government
wouldn't be aggressively trying to crack that and figure it out through spies or whatever.
I just think would be kind of impossible to hold that part secret.
What do you think about that, Chase? I agree, especially because the
world leaders or humans have a tendency to want to pee on their bushes,
right. They want everyone to know I own this, this is mine,
look at us, and we're big dogs in the in the playground, and
so that that's one of the factors. And I do agree with your listener.
You are one of the better shows out there. Martin. You're my
favorite host. I've told you that from day one. You were the first
professional interview and great questions that I was ever given. Um, it's well,
I just loved it. I felt so good leaving your show because you
didn't, you know, treat me like the cheerleader, you know, with
all the silly questions. You hit hard and I love that, and uh,
to this day, you are my favorite radio show. So I agree
with your listener on that as well. Thank you. I've been saying that
for years, right, yeah, thank you. That's very nice you and
what a nice New Year's gift. Thank you both. All Right, Danny,
thanks you. Danny. All right, we have a caller trying to
get in. I'm not sure what's happening, Why it's not working. UM,
I can just tell you you try again, and if you're trying to
call Skype, perhaps maybe that's doing it. Just try to call UM.
Try to call through a regular phone that number that's up on the screen.
So we're we're in the second hour of fifteen minutes or so in and we
wanted to discuss when you're talking about the future or twenty nineteen, were you
talking mostly about the think tank or where there are other other things directions you
think we should go to. I think there's so much possibility that was opened
up with a tip coming out as to the Stars Academy is awesome. They
got bank so they could do a lot, but it was really low and
a tip that blew the lid right off. So I believe now that's given
us a chance to go in and talk to our lawmakers. We need help
with some of these documents being declassified, but we need to brief them because
this phenomena isn't going to stay hidden for long. There is going to be
whether it's sizzle or steak, things are going to happen this year. They
just have to. We all feel it mounting, We see it mounting.
Everybody's kind of giving us little tidbits and little bites and couple SIPs of milk
here and there, you know, and we're waiting for that. Luel Azando
actually came out and said that in spring of twenty nineteen, we're going to
be having a completely different discussion and uphology. You heard that, a symposium
and you know what that means is you know, don't know. Is this
steak or is it sizzle? I don't know, but we have to be
ready for both, because even a sizzle is enough for us sometimes to keep
a gold for another three years or much like a tip did, it changes
our direction. And again, we have to be careful about discrediting without proof.
This man is a veteran who gave so much for the safety and security
and freedoms of this country. To discredit somebody of that caliber and that honesty
because you don't like intelligence groups, well, unfortunately those intelligence agencies really do
a lot of service of keeping us safe and not living like Paris right now.
So I think there's um we have to be careful about discrediting good people.
And you know, lou is a veteran and he's an honorable veteran,
his DD two fourteen, and his awards are he can't even talk about some
of them. But trust me when I tell you, this is a four
oh military member UM that honorably served and went into this UM A TIP program
as a contractor. See, this is not an active duty program. This
is this is civilian. A TIP is civilian. And when he wasn't getting
the cooperation or the attention, when when he's showing the evidence that they have
to the people above, they're still kind of seeing UFOs. You know,
he knew he had to break out of that little tiny group and and just
start impacting the public because the public is going to change the mind to the
lawmakers. I live in DC. You were just here this summer, Martin.
I can tell you one thing. This place is a swamp. One
hundred and fifty percent. I've never seen so many self serving people in my
whole life, their careers, their money, their paycheck, and it's it's
disgusting. And to have somebody like Lou quit his job to come out because
he knew this swamp was never going to give this topic the credit it deserved.
Why are we not applauding him for that alone? The man quit his
job to make a point, wrote a letter to Maddest mad Dog and explained
this topic is not getting the support it deserves and the attention for national security.
And then we want to pick on him out here and call him a
disinformation agent again, I ask, where's your proof? Tell me what information
he has put out here? Tell me what he's lied to us, because
they're not talking to us. And that's the first thing people have to realize.
They don't care what you fologists are thinking right now, they don't need
us. They have made that message perfectly clear. And I heard Grant Cameron
say a few months ago, you know they fired upologists. Do you blame
them when ninety percent of everything you hear out of our mouth is rhetoric hearsay?
You know, just it's ridiculous. I think it's time that we embrace
our professionals that have been involved one way or another or have access to and
that's a government. Are we going to get played Probably a couple of times,
but it's everybody going to do that. I don't think so. We're
we weren't born yesterday. We've been learning along the way as well. Right
now. You know, when I was talking to lou in the Quarter and
Cherry Hill a regular guy, and we get you know, because I'm in
the fine arts and nantiques and all that. He was showing me pictures on
his phone of things that he's collecting, and uh, you know, we
had a great conversation and um, you know I said to him, I
said, you really, if I invite you to on the show, you
probably couldn't come on a regular UFO show, could you? And he said,
well, he said, well I would, but you'd have to you
know, you'd have to talk to not as publicist maybe it is a publicist
for TSH TTSA or whatever it is, but I'd have to clear have to
be cleared with them. I didn't even try, Yeah, because I understand
that it's it's just a no go. And you know, I never really
thought about it that much until you you just brought this up during the show
that you know, they don't need us as much as we want to be
needed. You know, they they have the money, they could go get
their own evidence. And not only that, you know, they may be
able to get some answers, but um, but the fact is that they're
trying to get the information to the public. And that's kind of what our
goal has been, you know really, UM is to get you know,
information out there. And you know the so called disclosure as you say,
um, but that word, yeah, that's the horrible noise I make.
But uh, you know I don't yeah, the word disclosure, it's just
um. But things aren't going to be breaking open. And you know,
I love the fact that UM. I saw Martin at the citizens hearing for
disclosure a few years back. You know, these former congress and senators.
First of all, Steve Bassett took a lot of heat because they weren't you
know, they were former well, um, congresswoman Kirkpatrick. People are crazy
if they didn't think that that woman and could pick up the phone to Obama
and he would pick up for her. And probably not half of the active
or serving members of the House and Senate now they don't know how DC works
if they looked at these guys as impotent in any way. But I saw
on Monday these very professional people sit on a panel in front of everybody,
and they were polite. They were very polite, they paid attention and very
proud moment when I watched friends like Richard and Linda raise their right hand and
swear in. I mean, it was all absolutely according to all the rules.
If this was done at the Capitol or Senate room, and by Wednesday,
these same former lawmakers were pointing fingers and saying, we need to open
those files, we need more information. I walked away from that hearing knowing
one thing, and that is with the right education, the right commentary.
I watched them understand that this is a real phenomena and they want answers to
and if we can do that, if those people, those witnesses could convince
six of them, we need to be talking to the people that are actually
in charge of threat assessment and intelligence, committing the Council of National Security.
Why are we not at the UN you know, watching what just happened.
It's not only possible, it's going to happen. It has to happen.
And I really believe Martin that a tip coming out, Lou coming out,
what he's done to the stars is a group that's entertainment and science. But
let's not forget a tip and Lou, what he's done for uphology brilliant.
And I'm also going to throw Biggielow in there. This man has put more
money into ufology than anyone else I know, other than maybe Yuri you know,
in Russia. But he's never stopped. He's interviewed professional aerospace company CEO
and he's asked the question about aliens on sixty minutes and he doesn't waiver,
and he stood firm and he said what he said. How do we not
respect somebody that tells the truth even when it could hurt him? And that's
right, that's right. And he doesn't need the ufologist to continue his belief
or to collect evidence. So if I think, if we as upologists just
kind of take a lead, maybe get back to our roots of critical thinking,
Get back to our roots of nuts. You know that nuts and bolts
and real investigation, calling sources work in the phones, offering the public probative
information. Go back to the cash Landrum UFO incident that would pass a court
of law. John Shuchler was amazing getting that information. Look at some of
these files of the people in our past. McDonald's keyhoe, Oh my gosh.
We have to get back to those roots and stop spending so much time
on Facebook arguing and proclamating. You know when people come at me and say,
well, I don't believe this. Well, why where's your proof you
think it's this? I have all my stuff on the table, I have
my labs, I have my work, all my notes. Where's your stuff?
You know? I have no time on Facebook. You could, you
could go on and you could. I think it tells you. Last time
I've been on was probably three weeks ago. I have no time for this
anymore. I have no time for gossip and the bull crap and the anti
the disruption. I believe that's also purposeful, and it's put in here for
a lot of reasons, and then it's fed. I call it feeding them
monsters. You know who the big mouths are. You know who the big
dogs are that aren't afraid to bite. And you keep feeding them, and
you keep feeding them, and you keep feeding them because they keep this and
the more they keep ratcheting up, the more distraction on the real truth,
especially when they're going after people that have a history and are known to tell
the truth or to be out there giving real information. I debunked the star
Child's skull. That was a big deal. I mean, you know,
there's tens of thousands of people that knew that was an alien And the truth
is science doesn't care what we believe. Sorry, guys, it's human.
Here's the proof, and we put so much out there and control that in
a way. You do everything. You knew what labs are, the DNA
labs we used, you knew who did it. The man who did the
testing is on the record, so you can call and vet him. So
when you have people out here that you know are telling the truth no matter
where it leads, even if it's human and not alien, you know these
aren't headline seekers. There's many out here. Those are people I want to
talk to these days. I don't do a lot of radio shows. I've
actually turned a couple down this year, and I'm already and I'm only going
to be doing the ones where they have professional people behind that truly understand the
phenomena and want to get real information out to the public, none of the
silliness or bravado or look at me tactics. And why just you were talking
a minute ago about social media and Facebook and why do you think that is
such a breeding ground for argument of and proclamations. I rarely, very very
rarely get into a UFO subject there, but I did just a little blurb
the other day and wow, I couldn't believe the hammering, um right,
you know, and it's just basically opinions. And do you think that um,
for the new person that's someone that UM, you know, I think
there are a lot of new people actually listening and to this show and other
shows and because they're fascinated and a lot of that does have to do with
the Pentagon Um. You know article that came out a year ago. And
and by the way, it's been over that you you were on in November
of of of last last year, twenty seventeen. So this all happened since
you know, this article came out, since you were on then. Um,
But there are new people coming in. Do you think that social media
just kind of forces them out and away from the topic if they start looking
into the subject that way? I do you know, who wants to enter
a cess pool? It really is? I mean, who wants to get
involved in that? And all of a sudden have your name targeted so that
you know, everybody's on your page throwing the shade right, it's you know
who wants to do that? I can tell you that, UM, A
lot of people don't anymore. They'll they'll keep it very quiet. But they
are coming to move on, and they are coming to shows like yours,
and they aren't listening to um open minds and reading articles. Aleandro puts out,
I mean they are finding the places, but it's it's not going to
be on the social media. Um, I don't even see where's the information?
UM's where's the good? Hey guys, did you see this? You
put that up? And ten minutes later it's like this whole thing on the
new latest one the Mexican the alleged crash right over the border and El Paso.
You know, a bunch of people run over and they're pulling this stuff
and they get it to these United States. Oh my gosh, look at
that thread. Now this is the small plane collision supposedly, and the army
shows up. Yes, I tell you tell you a story about that.
I had, uh, Bill Burns on I don't know, a couple of
years ago and we were talking about that case and someone this was just a
couple of days ago, Oh I know, yes, So I had someone,
um say that they were actually there, you know, they were in
you know, and you know, wanted to get interviewed. And Bill was
all excited about it. We got all the information. I started doing research
on the guy and I found out he would have been eight years old.
So yeah, so another you know, there are there you have to watch
for that. So this thread just came out recently. Yeah, and it's
breaking on Facebook and of course, you know, move On ends up getting
a report on it. So you know, we have great investigator, investigators
down to El Paso that actually have knife links in Mexico. So you know,
we're working the case. But you know, it's ten minutes old.
People don't even know the facts, and they're already hammering and cheering, and
you know, whatever the reaction was, it's there are no facts and algready
the threads, you know, going crazy and and good and bad, and
I just I don't know, maybe I'm old school. I just I just
don't want to do that. I respect people that go to a source.
It was like the Malibu underwater base. Um, you know that report.
I did it completely. It's a thrust fault. But it surprised me.
No one called Google what No one called them and said, hey, how
how does this structure look so amazing like a man made structure appear? And
for the depth it is why are we not seeing every other downed aircraft or
you know, sunken boat and treasure ship you know out there? Why does
this stand out as such an anomaly? Come on, guys, did you
fake it? Like? What are you doing? And they and in my
report I name exactly who I talked to and why I called Google and exactly
how they do it, and the computer actually fills in the gaps. That's
right too, that there was a triangle on the moon that was the same
thing. And when you find out how they do it. But it surprises
me as much as as much hoopla over this underwater anomaly we've seen on the
internet that nobody called Google. Yeah, the author of the photograph which is
not a photograph, but you know, it's just like, you know,
we forgot how to investigate, is my point. And books were written on
it and big conspiracy television shows. There were some very very invested in it.
That was yeah, I remember that. And then you learn that some
people needed it to stay and under water alien base. That's right, because
that's bank. Yeah, that's right. That's really sad too. So popping
caps see in the message room, ask why should we rely on move on
shouldn't we learn to discern absolutely and discern everything. Um, this is being
smart, very correct. What was his name again? Popping caps? See
as excellent, excellent question, And it's a good habit. You know,
everybody in move On's are not perfect either, as everyone knows. We have
some self afflicted wounds, and we have a lot of accusations we don't deserve.
But in the end, I believe nothing of what I hear and only
half of what I see. And that's a good way to start. You
walk in and you let the evidence take you where you need to be.
Um, it's it's kind of how I keep my objectivity. Well, there's
someone in that I've watched him posts a ton of times here in the chat
room and very negatively on and don't trust anyone that promotes to the Stars Academy
scam, you know, going on and on about that, and everyone can
have their own opinion of course on but to not for someone to say do
not trust Chase that upsets me. Tom. So you can go away if
you'd like. But I've had an endorsed to the Star's Academy. So if
that's my accusation from the guy in the chat room, he's not listening.
Again, this guy's part of the problem because I never endorse him. I
endorsed a tip and lou Elizondo coming out and telling us that Pentagon I have
never endorsed. I called him an entertainment and science organization. Period. I
don't endorse or I don't slam. I don't really have an opinion. I
don't know enough about to the Star's Academy, Yeah, but I do know
about eight. That is a problem because a lot of people do not have
a lot of people don't have the information and make an opinion before they even
have the information. And you know, I think that's what's going on here.
What do we look for with our whistleblowers, credible witnesses. Louiz he
hasn't lied about his background, not one iota. I have verified that,
and so as many other people. By the way, I'm not the only
one. And what's he saying? What has he said that has been untrue
so far? So until I have a reason to distrust or call this man
a liar with his background, if I don't have that proof, I'm not
going there. And again, this is the problem with people that just want
to come on and throw shade. You know this is you know they know
better. Why give me your proof If I'm not supposed to trust this or
anything I've said turn out to be untrue, knock yourselves out. Guys,
don't follow me like I have no problem with this, because I'll tell you
what. We have our head down, and my head is going to be
so down in twenty nineteen because I don't want to miss the important facts.
I don't want to miss any of our opportunities because I'm too busy hating and
pointing fingers at people when three are looking back at me. One of the
conversations I mentioned the other day, I was talking with Scott Ramsey on the
phone for quite a while, and you know, one of the things that
comes up a lot of my shows or people will email me about it,
why do you only talk about old cases? And that was the subject that
he and I were speaking about. And a lot of the reason is because
the material becomes non classified after a while and you can get more information,
and which I think is important and a lot of things are unfolding, and
you know, I personally told him I was a total skeptic of the Aztec,
the Aztec crash and he said he was too, and then he kept
digging into it and finding more information that was being declassified and going, oh,
he was actually discouraged that he found out, Well, this is actually
turning into something what is the average year that a government documents or things like
this would be classified? Some fifty four years, isn't it? And that
what are we coming up one fifty years of some of the biggest stuff.
So he's absolutely right, we're going to have more and more answers if we're
paying attention to the documents that are being declassified. I'm afraid we're going to
lose our Stanton Freeman's I'm afraid we're going to lose the people that you know,
broke open some of these big cases and you know, they put boots
to the ground and did interviews and wrote notes and face to face with witnesses.
And I'm afraid we're going to lose these people to the rhetoric on like
the social media and just you know, some of these open forms. It's
easy to throw barbs when you can, when you can have a name like
Tootsie Butt or you know whatever, and it's easy to throw shape you're completely
anonymous in the back but stand up and debate of Richard Dolan or one of
our greats and uphology, um, and come at them with your admissible facts
and your debate points and even common sense. Come at us and let's have
a conversation. But you know, unfortunately a lot of people are just stepping
back and you know, doing their thing internally, and we're going to end
up with these little think tanks and little groups that you know, people are
now going to accuse of. You know, we're all hiding our stuff or
even coming together much like an a tip or to the Start Academy, little
pockets of information, because who wants to stand out there and even put up
with that? I don't. Right, right, we have a caller,
call her your first name? Where are you calling from? My name is
Amdas. I'm coming from fuck On, Sweden. Oh, hey, welcome
to the show. What time is it there? Yeah, thank you?
Oh it's about six o'clock tm ah, All right, well thanks so much
for calling in. You have a question for our guests? Yeah, I
didn't watch the show from the starts, so my question was about this start
child scholar. What's happened alter the investigation? Oh? I believe she did
speak on that. So you did miss that part of it, but um,
well go ahead in a nutshell if you want to chase and talk about
that. We did a lot of Hi Andreas, thanks so much for calling,
especially you know, uh Sweden. You know, we knew we had
a big audience internationally, but that's that's so awesome. Thank you. The
Star Child Skull was was a difficult investigation to get into because Lloyd Pye was
so loved and of course the Starchild people desperately wanted this to be alien or
hybrid, and unfortunately science doesn't care what we believe or what we want.
I really wanted an alien who doesn't But unfortunately, all of the DNA testing
that I did and Melanie Young and Carrie McClure, it was a team of
three of us, the three of us, it all matched exactly what Lloyd's
DNA testing was finding. Is that was the maternal DNA was absolutely human.
We did get the paternal or the nuclear DNA, and unfortunately that was always
the anticipation that that's going to be the unidentified part and it wasn't. Is
completely human, and we found some of the genetic markers for the disease for
the shape of the head, and we even found the Haflow group of the
Little star Child. Since his investigation, Melanie Young, the owner has repatriated
the star Child skull, the original little Guy back to his people in Mexico.
And nice. That's good. Yes, that's a really big deal.
You know, this little guy, even before Lloyd had him, had been
lacquered, put on a plaque, hung on a wall, has ball caps
put on him for pictures, cigarettes hanging out of his mouth. I mean,
I am my heart is happy that he is now back where he belongs
with his people. Yeah, excellent. Did you have any address? Do
you have any other questions? Yeah, well that's what's the stop question in
my head. And I'm very grateful for that answer. Thank you, Chase.
And you have a very good show, so thank you. And happy
new Yeah, yes, happy New Yere and thanks so much. Um day,
he's got an awesome show. Stay tuned everywhere. Ye all right,
Um, so we have we have like a I don't know, maybe five
five, We could go ten more minutes or so. Um. And I
think there's been some good callers and the line actually it just took the number
down so we wouldn't take any other calls, but I could take another call
if someone would like to um, if someone would like to call in,
I'll pop that number back up over there again if anyone would like to give
a ring. UM. So, I think we've covered a lot of really
good ground, and I'm really interested if you'd want to come back again,
of course, within a year, and we'll talk about what your think tank
came up with. I mean, it's it's really amazing. I mean I
watched a film back in the I think it was sometime in the fifties.
It was just a clip on YouTube where there was this guy saying, I
hope, I hope, I hope I find out the answer in my lifetime.
And he looked like he was about in his you know, sixties,
nineteen, yeah, fifty, And I think that's the way a lot of
people have a feeling. This is I got to tell you, since this
last year is the first time that I've felt like there is a possibility that
we may know something. You know, the last time we had a chance
like this was the error where least Eagel and people forget he spoke at the
un that's right, he had the ear They had a panel and you know
he was with a couple others. But um, yes, we need to
get back to that type of uphology, that type of research and determination.
And this stuff's not for the faint of heart. It's not Um, this
isn't X files where you know we're getting cool car chases and you know,
all the excitement and breaking into top secret security bases. Um, this is
about sitting in dirty little basements at the National Archives and going through boxes.
You're looking for anything, a little piece of paper, a little mark that
would indicate, oh there's something here and this paper didn't belong here. Um.
You know there's a lot of um, you know, sitting back and
just you know, a lot of a lot of legwork and um consideration what's
admissible or not. But that's my goal this year. I don't care about
lights in the sky. I know that sounds terrible, but we have tens
of thousands of these reports. Yeah, we want the evidence. Yeah,
that's our job. The public has heard enough opinion, they've heard enough proclamation,
they have heard what we believe, they have heard everything. What they
need to hear is fact, evidential fact, and that's it. Yeah.
I had the great fortune. I had David O'Leary from from he's the creative
Project Bluebook on the History Channel. What I did is like, oh yeah,
I can't. The History Channel actually contacts me a number of times and
asked me, you know, for for different people, for different situations,
things like that. And so I contacted them and said, hey, you
have Project blue Book, I'd like to be able to interview someone, and
they got me in touch with David O'Leary, great guy, really nice guy.
Interviewed him two weeks ago. And so then the other day I got
this little email that said screeners available to me because I featured him on the
show. So I got to watch the first six episodes of Project Bluebook.
Oh my gosh, what's that amazing? And I also heard Richard Dolan um
they have him now coming in and weighing in after every single episode. Oh
yeah, they're going to have like a separate show where they they'll have,
yeah, like talk about the cases in reality. Basically they have their their
fiction but based on reality and you know some of it. And I've even
talked to I talked to David yesterday just you know, briefly, I said,
I love the show. I love it, and I think everybody that's
into the topic is really going to love it too. It does embellish a
little bit heavy here and there, but um, that's where they're going to
kind of counterbalance by having, you know, someone like Dolan come in and
talk about the real and Jacque Fleet I know that he's been yes, yes,
yes, it's amazing. Um is that they've they've been that diligent as
well. They really want this even though they took some liberties with the dramatization,
they really want to tell the truth as well. They want this to
become you know, fantastic and but also truthful. I just really love the
integrity behind this show too. Yeah. Well, I'm going to tell the
listener out there, you're gonna love the show. If I mean I love
the show. I really got into it. You get really attached to the
characters right away and have some great actors, and so the whole, the
whole ballowaxes. It's just like I've watched the six episodes and I can't wait
for the next one, you know, I can't wait. I can't wait.
Yeah, yeah, and that starts at January eighth. For all the
listeners out there, I think we're going to call it a day. Chase.
Now you have a website just your basically, and it's not an easy
name to say or spell. I know it's not the Let you know.
The first name is Chase and that's normal chafe and the last name is k
l o E t z k E and it's just Chase clitsky dot com.
And you know, I wish, I wish I was more visible on social
media. I tell everybody tap me there. You know, I love hearing
from everyone, but um, you know, I'm just too busy for the
rhyd Rick. So so email me or contact me through the website. That's
the easiest way to get me. Now. Yeah, all right, Chase,
Hey, well thanks so much. It's it's been as always. You're
you're just wonderful to talk to. Have always had a great time and it's
always fun to see you at different events as well. And you take care.
I have a wonderful twenty nineteen and we'll have you back and you can
tell us what happened with this think tank. I can't wait to talk to
you about it. So awesome, Thanks Martin. As always, it's been
such a pleasure. Thank you. Okay, you take care. Bye.
Bye bye, all right everyone, So um, that is it for the
show, and thanks so much for listening, and we'll be back next week.
And I'm trying to get Robert Powell on the show. I don't have
a confirmation, so that may or may not be. We'll see, well
who we will be back with, and that will be on January eighth,
on Tuesday. Again, I want to thank everyone so much for listening to
excuse me listening to this show, and also for help the people that help
us out. It really means a lot, a lot to me and I
really appreciate it. So we'll be back next year, all right, keep
your eyes to the sky.