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You read five Lessons hogan second book, he has three pages in there on

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the waggle, and in one page
talking about it, he says it's the

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most important part of the swing,
or one of the most important parts the

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old Scottish phrases as you waggle,
so shall ye swing? In fact that

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he does today. What's the most
common type of waggle where you hinge back

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your trail wrists back and forth like
that an audio podcast. You use your

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words, so hinging your wrist beans, you flex your wrist backward the back

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of your trail hands well, right
hand if you're right hand. A golfer

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goes back toward your forearm, not
up towards the sky. That's called cocky.

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So when you hinge back and then
forth a little bit, that's the

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Hogan waggle. And what it does
is it reduces the tendency for your mind

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and body to get frozen from stress
or from pressure. So when you're waggling,

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you're keeping some sense of athletic fluid
motion in your body. One all

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right, this is Rob Mulligan from
Lake Orian Michiguet and I play West Room

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Golfward in Rochester, Missigain. This
is Golf Smarter Number nine? Telling to

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waggle or not to waggle? Is
that the question? Let's find out with

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Jim Waldron. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf mines to help you lower
your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green.
Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Jimmy, Hey man, how's it
going, Fred, glad to be here.

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It's glad to have you here.
You uh, you're getting around,

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man. I'm I'm seeing your name
on more podcasts than mine, and I'm

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starting to get my feelings hurt a
little bit. You've been making around guy

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for podcasts. You haven't lost a
loyal follower. Okay, yeah, I

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know that. I think it's our
twenty ninth or thirty podcast something crazy like

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that. I lost count and I
even keep a spread cheat and I lost

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count. But you know when when
I started doing this, when you and

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I first started talking back in the
early two thousands, and everyone was talking

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about swing mechant Everyone's still talking about
swing mechanics, and I came across here,

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I'm going I need more than swing
mechanics because I'm not going to work

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on that because I really believe in
in that the mental game approach and strategic

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approach to golf, And you were
like, yeah, absolutely. It seems

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like over the last twenty years of
doing this there's more and more people talking

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about the mental game. Do you
see that being true too or is that

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just my oego? No, it's
definitely true. And I saw the stiff

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tappen right around the time COVID hit
three or four years ago. I was

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getting more and more new students who
had been to some of the top what

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I would call body only highly technical, mechanical approach type teachers and not only

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not got any improvement from it,
but but some of these guys and gals

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got the yips from it from an
overly technical approach, right, And that

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used to be a thing that would
only happen to like the occasional tour pro

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like Savy by Astero's got the yips
full swing y app store Devendi's career.

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But when he went to mack O'Grady, who was a very highly technical teacher

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and Ian Baker, Finch got driver
hips after trying to work with David Ledbetter

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to improve his distance off the tea. Right after he right after he had

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won the British Open, And there
are multiple examples of people on tour who

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got worse when they tried to change
their swing. And yet even in spite

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of that, it became the dominant
paradigm, especially once the Internet really took

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hold, you know, thirty years
ago, and especially when Instagram really hit

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about what twelve fifteen years ago.
So I'm getting contacted by people all the

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time who have gotten worse from this
highly technical body only approach, and they're

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starting to embrace a mind body connection
approach, which means how you use your

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mental focus ability and the emotional side
of your personality has a direct effect on

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your swing mechanics, meaning the mechanics
don't exist in a vacuum. And the

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greatest example of this is someone who
has severe YIPS. Someone who has severe

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yips is an extreme example of the
power of the mind body connection, but

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on the negative side of it,
meaning when you're not using your emotions properly,

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and when you're not using your mental
focus ability properly, you can end

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up with a full blown case of
the hips. And of course the cure

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for that that malady is embracing the
idea of the mind body connection. Wow.

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You know, there's so much conversation
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I mean, like, we just
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ago about the physics of the golf
swing. We had a gentleman who's a

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mechanical engineer, Jewisheng Wang, and
just wanting to go over the the physics

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of how it is to hit a
golf swing. Honestly, I was a

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little bit lost because I'm just like, I can't make those adjustments, even

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if I do understand what the heck
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that are difficult to do. But
I can get myself into a better headspace,

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but I can't. Yeah, I
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any type of scientific research, that
type of sort of road to trying to

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understand the golf swing better. To
me, that only makes sense if you're

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trying to convince a teacher to change
his or her paradigm for how they teach

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the golf swing, or you're trying
to convince a student that a swing change

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is necessary. Because what you're doing
right now, Bob, for example,

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would be you're you know, you're
violating this law of physics. This is

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what the research says the best players
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something very different, So it has
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that a change might be necessary.
But I don't think you can be thinking

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about your body, particularly highly technical
swing thoughts. And we've done many PAC

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tests on this. They just don't
work, and they in fact can trigger

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it you and quite often they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

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played with the guy the other day, very chatty fellow. I mean talk

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to his puttered the whole time.
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meet each other on the first tea. It's like this guy's joining it.

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Okay, fine, So we meet
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oh, do you play like I
play regularly. It's like he asked

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me, do you have a handicap? I said yeah, actually, right

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now, I'm down to a nine
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said, what about you? You
keep your hand He goes, yeah,

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I'm a twenty four. I'm like, okay, all right, I know

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what I'm getting myself into. Three
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to eleven twelfth hole. Somewhere in
there after he's learned that I do this

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podcast and stuff. He's like,
listen, if you notice anything, you

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want to tell me anything, please
go ahead and say it, because I

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can change my swing in a drop
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And then he shanks the ball and
then he hooks it into the woods

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and I'm like and I'm like,
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I like, it's not easy to
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ever. And then you just told
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why are you trying to give me
advice. I'll tell you a funny story

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of acropo of your story, which
is my first year teaching thirty three years

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ago in Hawaii. I had about
the same guy about it. I think

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it was a twenty six handicap and
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you got, show me let me
see you hit a few. He goes,

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what swing do you want? I
go, what are you talking about?

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He goes, I have a Jack
Nicholas swing, I have a Lee

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Trevino swing, and I have a
Gary Player swing, which you know those

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are very different swings. First of
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bit different. But but I said, well you really play with three different

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swings? Will? He goes,
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per shot obviously, but yeah,
I go, show me your Garant Player's

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wing look nothing like Gary player,
right, And I said, show me

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your your Trevino swing, nothing like
Lee. Show me your Nicholas wing look

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nothing like Jack. So I took
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the day when they were big balty
cameras. Yeah, and I think that

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I filmed them doing his a version
of the three swings, and of course

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they were all three were identical,
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bad golf swings, right, And
I said to Michael, you're you're just

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living in denial if you think you
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it like these three very different styles
of swinging. Right. No, people

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just they do what they're what their
unconscious mind swing map dictates is what is

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what your body does, right,
So the change has to start with the

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mental pictures, the conclusions, the
beliefs at the unconscious mind level. That's

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the first really major step in the
swing change process. And then after that

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happens, then you can do reps, right, lots of reps, slow

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motion reps in front of a mirror
primarily, right. Yeah, does that

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makes sense? What's what's called closed
loop. In neurophysiology, there's the idea

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of open low versus closed closed loop. So when you're moving slowly where you

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have real time feedback, meaning you're
election in the mirror, you can employ

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your feed forward system to make your
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that's not not currently a habit.
Because you're moving slowly, your feed forward

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system will listen to your conscious mind, right, but you're also seeing your

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reflection. You're making subtle adjustments to
what you're seeing in the mirror, and

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that's your feedback system, right,
And that's that's how that's the fastest way

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to learn any movement pattern skill.
Think of it as hammering and nail.

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If you're hammering and nail and you're
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Typically when you hammer the nail,
the first time you hit it again,

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if you don't do it for a
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bit left or right, maybe right. You don't it doesn't go straight in

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because you're not really skilled at it. So then you realize, oh,

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that first the first tap of the
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So now I got to come in
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down and a little to the right
to straighten the nail out. That's what

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I'm talking about. That's that's the
feed forward system, which is the striking

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the nail, and the feedback system
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that can only be done the closed
loop system. There's been tons of research

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on this only works when you're moving
slowly. As soon as you're moving fast,

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whether you know it or not,
your body only listens to the commands

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coming from your unconscious mind. Swing
map or swing blueprint, right, and

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every golfer has foreign beliefs or unconscious
visual mental pictures about what the physics of

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the swing should be, particularly terms
about what should happen during impact, what

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makes the ball go far, what
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a combination of geometry and physics beliefs
about in those two areas. And that's

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that's what your body listens to when
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listen to conscious mind swing thoughts.
That's the big that's the big mass hallucination

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that we have in our sport.
And it doesn't happen in any other sport

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except golf and golf is the most
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far compared to all the other sports. I mean, I work at people

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all the time who are like They'll
tell me I'm a zero hand if you

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could handicap downhill ski racing. I'm
a zero handicap at alpine skiing. At

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downhill skiing, I'm a three handicap
at tennis. I'm a five handicap at

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shooting a gun at a target.
I play once a week in a men's

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basketball league. I'm a five handicap
basketball player. I've been playing golf for

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thirty years and I'm a twenty handicap
at golf. Why is that? Wow?

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And my answer is part of the
reason. The big part of the

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reason is the instruction paradigm, the
ethos the underlying philosophy about how to coach

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the game is incredibly dysfunctional and it's
rooted in the era when golf began,

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which is in the fourteenth century in
Scotland. It's towards the end of the

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Dark Ages when golf became a sport
and we still have our age is thinking

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when it comes to the process of
making a swing change and when it comes

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to the mental game especially. We
have a twenty first version of what should

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happen with body and club due to
all the recent last thirty forty years,

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you know, scientific research on the
biomechanics of the golf swing, so that

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that's becoming more and more of a
consensus among top teachers. But what's what's

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holding us back is the application part. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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let let's take a time out.
I want to come back to the dark

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ages when we when we return,
we'll be right back. It's fascinating information

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that and makes total sense that you
can be a crappy golfer or have a

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high handicap it you can excel because
golf's the hardest sport. I mean,

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we've all you know, everybody's listening. It's it's the hardest thing. It's

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so hard because the ball is sitting
here right, And there's lots of why

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it's hard, yea, beyond the
coaching paradigm being in the dark, yeah

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for sure. And then and then
watching it on television it's like, oh,

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I can do that, and you
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no, you can't. And like
I had, I had a young man

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on recently who knew nothing about the
game. Knew nothing about golf, knew

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nothing about what goes in his bag. But he was convinced and he was

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going to start a YouTube channel that
he's gonna like, I'm going to become

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a scratch golfer. And he thought
he can get this done in a couple

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of years, a couple of months. And watching his progress, he's putting

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out videos every day and watching his
progress, it's like, I'm sorry,

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man, I wish all the best
in the world, but you don't have

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a clue will get your get yourself
into I agree, I agree. People

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have no idea how hard it is. Even with the right approach in terms

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of the application, how to change
your swing, how to use your mind

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as a tool to play better golf, it still takes time, and a

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lot of it in golf is three
steps forward, a half to step back,

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two steps forward to step back.
That's the norm. And that's with

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top teachers and you know, and
really highly educated students I tend to have.

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It's still never, it's almost never. Is it a straight line of

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Every once in a while I get
one or two people a year who can

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make changes really fast, and but
that's like way less than one tenth of

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one percent of golfers, right,
yeah. And then there's random reinforcement,

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which was one of the first topics
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people don't talk about still today much, which is that's the primary reason why

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the person you mentioned has that delusion, which is people can't distinguish between luck

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and skill. Which random reinforcement is
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when a mammal's brain is confronted with
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by its very nature leads to failure
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ten percent. When you do achieve
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do the difficult task, your brain
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dopamine and serotonin. You get a
high, You get a natural drug high

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that your brain's neurotransmitters produce, and
that high produces irrational thinking. In other

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words, someone who can't break ninety
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that one or two really good shots
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not entirely, luck, not skill. But the golfer doesn't the golfer's ego

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doesn't want to accept that that was
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to take ownership, and it creates
this belief, Oh, my swing's really

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not that bad. It's pretty good. And they also and they're also at

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that point they're they're saying, oh, yeah, I hit the ball,

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you know, like seven iron I
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no, I don't If you did
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how far you hit it. Yeah. I had a I called me up

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about twenty five years ago and said, you worked at my friend Joe last

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summer and you took him from a
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and so you must be good at
this. So I want to take lessons

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from you, but I'm not really
sure. I need to work on my

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swing. Maybe we should work on
mental game or short game or pudding.

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I said, well, that's that's
fine. What's your handicap? He goes,

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I'm a thirty but I have a
really good swing. I go,

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what are you talking about? He
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good. My local pro told me
by swings fine. My friends who played

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golf told me my swings fine.
I go, let me get this straight.

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You're a thirty handicap and you think
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yeah, I go, no,
you don't have a good swing. Those

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people were either lying to you or
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because to have a good swing,
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be able to break eighty on a
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how come I can hit that one
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hundred and seventy yards right down the
middle of the fairway. I go that

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was a lucky shot. That was
luck skill, right. But you know,

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when you're talking to someone who's under
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you know, it's one of the
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recent research from neuroscience on why human
beings create have a tendency to create suffering

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for themselves or other people, which
is unfortunately the Enlightenment philosophers their view of

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human nature has been proven conclusively by
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Human beings are not primarily rational creatures. They're primarily irrational animals and human amazing

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capacity for self delusion right, and
again mainly due to random reinforcement. There

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was a galphare at our local force
years ago. This is a person who's

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never shot better than one hundred and
twenty in her life, and oh yeah,

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she loves it, and which is
fine. You don't have to only

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play golf for scores. There's other
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Absolutely, But she accidentally hit three
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part five at our course here and
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So she topped, and it was
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and they hadn't been watering the fairways
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the ground was rock hard. So
she had a very long drive that probably

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never got more than ten feet in
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a low hook, so it rolled
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the same thing on her neck shot
with her three would and somehow it got

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close to the green and I forgot
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within fifty yards or so, and
she hit a little fifty yard pitch and

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it went in the hole, and
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saw this and she started doing this
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air like this, and she said
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sound, and that's the dance DC
in Vegas in the casino when someone gets

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lucky playing lots and they get three
lemons to come up and they win like,

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you know, five thousand dollars.
That's the sound of being lucky.

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And you hear that sound on the
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mid to high handicaps. Wow.
So wait a minute, but I want

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to back up to that guy who
called you and said you helped my friend,

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and then you told him no,
actually you sucked. You were just

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lucky, you know, in a
nice way, and said that, yeah,

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yeah, But did he I hire
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did. He actually had, and
he was fine. We had. We

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we ended up having a good relationship
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successful. But he had to have
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a band aid that said I'm not
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deep down because other people keep telling
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nonsense. I mean, you know, you know we talks about this a

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lot. You don't hear it much
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books, basically in his first book, which was Golf Is Not a Game

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Perfect, he talks about this tendency
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are. Again, I'm not talking
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handicaps, right, And he said, the reason why we have one of

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the reasons why we have such a
dysfunctional coaching culture is because of the wealth

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and the power and balance between the
original American golf teachers who were actually imported

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from Scotland by the DuPonts and the
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nineties in the guilded age, when
it was an oligarchy, even not like

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it is now. It's the worst
oligarchy today, but back then it was

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an oligarchy, and there there were
literally almost nope, there was only a

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couple of public golf courses in the
entire country. They are all places like

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Shinnekock, private courses that only the
super wealthy could afford to play, and

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they would they would import you know, Shamus McIntyre from Edinburgh to come to

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be the teaching pro. He wasn't
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the clubhouse. He wasn't allowing the
clubhouse. He was a second class citizen.

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Yeah, so you think he's going
to risk his job by telling mister

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rock Feller that your swing sucks.
It's not gonna happen. He's gonnare was.

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He has a financial incentive to lie
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brilliant chapter in that book where Rotella
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it with the way I think the
most effectively taught sport by far in the

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history of sports is our Asian martial
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As you know, and the Asian
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a power and balance, but it's
on the healthy side, meaning the teacher

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is up here on a pedestal and
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slowly, as you acquire skill,
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in Japanese karate, and maybe you
know ten years later you're equal to the

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to the teacher and you get a
different color, which you would never think,

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right, exactly, you get different
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that how you get to move back
in the tea boxes? Is like getting

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different color belts? And thought about
that. That's actually right, that's that's

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actually quite good. Yeah, it
is sort of similar. But the point

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is there. It's built in that
the teacher knows what the hell he's talking

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about, and you would never well
if you did question the teacher, Like

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when I was learning how to do
a rising block, which is which is

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this motion? I mean, I
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I haven't, you know, I
haven't had any instruction in this since

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I was a little kid. But
I learned how to do this, and

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I'll learned to do this and this, so it's all it's innate now.

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But can you imagine if I hear
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if I said to the karate teacher, no, I actually know what you

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know. I saw something online of
the day some other martial arts teacher says

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that that your way of doing is
wrong and I should do it this way,

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or or you know, I got
into if I got to a bar

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fight yesterday and I did something different
than than what you've been teaching me and

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it worked pretty well that that level
of dysfunction doesn't exist, so no words,

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but in golf it does. And
you know, the greatest example of

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this is this idea that we're all
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and the top players, you know, there's this level playing field which is

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again highly dysfunctional. Gary Player was
leading back in the day, I think

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it was in the late seventies the
US Open, and I think it was

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at Shinnecock, one of those New
York courses, and he's waiting for his

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his limousine to pick him up in
front of the Plaza hotel in Midtown Manhattan

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to go to go to the golf
course on Sunday morning, and he's got

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like a three shot lead. His
doorman says to him, I saw your

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swing yesterday on TV, and I
know it's this hitch at the top of

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your back swing. Maybe if you
did this, and Gary Player listened to

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the guy and took it seriously.
This is I'm not making this up.

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Yeah, So this idea that we're
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to an equal, equally valid opinion
is BS. It is classic BS and

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there are actually people who know more
than you do than the average golfer does

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about how right. There are actually
acts experts in the field. Yeah.

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Yeah, And that's when the phrase
better than lucky, better lucky than good

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comes up, which I hate.
I hate that phrase. It's like,

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no, I'm sorry, I'd much
rather be good. All right, we're

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gonna take another time out. We'll
be right back. So just recently at

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the Open Championship here twenty twenty three
Royal Liverpool, Brian Harmon grinded it out.

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I mean, this was it really
was truly remarkable to watch this guy

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grind it out with some of the
top names in the sport struggling on this

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golf course. I mean, the
golf course was clearly in charge here,

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which is as a recreational golfer that
makes me nuts. But at that level

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I get it, go ahead and
beat the course, because you don't.

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You don't beat the other players who
beat the course, right, But what

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were what as someone who really specializes
and focuses on the yips, what was

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your feeling watching this guy with his
setup and his waggle going on and on.

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I counted thirteen different times he would
waggle, and he admits it.

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He knows. I saw a video
of him today saying, yeah, yeah,

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I know it. But I used
to play so fast. And this

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was from Brian Harmon. He says, I used to play so fast that

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I ended up waiting around all the
time. And another player said, take

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your time, man, you got
plenty of time out there. So he

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started doing that, waiting till he
got ready. But he knows that he's

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slow, and it's a conscious effort
to slow everything down to play better.

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But what is what happened with you
on this guy? This guy, Well,

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first of all, let me come
back to that point. What I

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loved is he said in the press
conference after he stayed he said, I

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stayed with my process, and part
of the process, which he did allude

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to later in the interview, was
staying in the present moment, meaning he

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said, I didn't think about winning
the tournament until I hit that bunker shot

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in eighteen, and then I knew
I just had to. You know,

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I think it could have liked it
could have like eight seven puttet from there

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and still one or something, he
went by saying, and of course he

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ended up making the putty got up
and down from the from a pretty difficult

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bunker. Lie. But he said, I stayed in my process until that

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I didn't. I didn't I didn't
get ahead of myself. I didn't go

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into the future saying what if,
what if? What if I win the

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Open? Which is great. That's
exactly what I teach people to do,

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to stay in the present moment.
Paul Eisinker commented about it. He said,

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the reason Brian Harmon won the Open
is and the reason he basically blew

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away the field is he had the
ability to quiet his mind. And that's

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what I teach people what to do, especially if they have yips. But

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back to your original question about how
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We've We've talked about this inn other
podcast, but that's one of the two

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primary ways you can do the last
stage of a pre shot routine in golf.

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The two primary ways are the Jack
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what Harmon used, and the Tiger
Woods automatic method. Today Jordan's speech,

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Patrick Cantlay, they're kind of slow
over the ball, ye, Roy McElroy,

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they all use the Jack Nicholas method. But I strongly recommend to almost

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everybody I work with, particularly amateurs, to not use that method. It

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has too many drawbacks to it.
In fact, the vast majority of tour

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pros and top college players, top
amateur players to use the more modern way,

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which is to have a step by
step routine you go through to trigger

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your takeaway, and that doesn't vary, so it's always three wagons, but

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it's the very end of the pre
shot routines. Basically, how do you

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how do you get your swing started? What's going just before you trigger your

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take So in this method, you
use the same number of waggles. It

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could be one waggle, could be
six, doesn't matter. But you you

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decide, I'm going to practice my
what I call an automatic swing trigger ritual,

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and I'm going to have three waggles
while I look at the target,

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come back, stretch my elbows out, and then start my takeaway. So

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everything's done. So you memorize a
little ritual. And the one I teach

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their seven steps, and so you
go through a seven step ritual. Whereas

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if you watch Roy McIlroy, as
great as he is, sometimes you don't

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He takes I think the least they've
ever seen him takes two waggles. I

407
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.680
think I've seen him take maybe six
or seven, so he's somewhere in that

408
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.599
range. But watch Tiger Woods,
it's always two waggles, stretches, almost

409
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.240
go. I think I told you
I had that debate when I was twelve

410
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:51.359
years old with Nicholas about this over
lunch at the Western Open. I think

411
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.519
we talked about that one in the
podcast. You remember our podcast much better

412
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.000
than I do because I keep doing
them and they all get mushed together.

413
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:03.720
One love, yeah for sure.
Yeah. Well, I had this debate

414
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.480
with Nicholas because Nicholas got fine for
slow play this first two two or three

415
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.240
years on tour back in the early
sixties. It was similar to Harmon.

416
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.119
He would spend I mean, he
would sometimes spend like a minute and a

417
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.480
half over the ball, waggling,
shuffling his feet, look and that's starting.

418
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.559
And he got fined thousands of dollars
by the PGA tour board for that.

419
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.680
And I had this conversation which turned
into a debate when I was twelve

420
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.839
he was twenty two, and I
said, yeah, you know, I

421
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.400
mentioned that you spent a lot of
time over the ball, mister Nicholas,

422
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.039
and when I do it that way, I hit the I play worse,

423
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:38.799
and he said, why would you
play worse? I go while I'm waiting,

424
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.119
because I asked him, what's going
through your mind? He goes,

425
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.359
well, I'm waggling. This is
what these other people are doing. This

426
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.240
is what Jordan's doing, this is
Patrick Cantley's doing, this is what Harmon's

427
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.440
doing. They're waiting until they feel
comfortable and confident to start. So there's

428
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.799
a there's a slow build up of
sort of mental energy kind of like this,

429
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.200
and then you reach a peak where
your body decides to start your takeaway.

430
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:06.599
The problem with that approach is again, unless you're extremely confident golfer,

431
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.759
like world class, while you're waiting
to feel confident and comfortable, the demons

432
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.599
can come in the negative thoughts and
emotions that can trigger a bad swing or

433
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.079
yep. And I tried to explain
this to Nicholas. He said, I

434
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.359
don't understand. He said, you're
standing over the shot while you're waggling and

435
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.279
shuffling your feet, looking at the
target, and you're seeing the ball not

436
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.960
go to the target successfully. I
go, yeah, I see myself shaking

437
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.279
it into the water or like you
know, pulling it thirty yards left over

438
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.319
the green or he goes, why
would you have negative thoughts like that about

439
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.119
the outcome of the shot? Don't
you want to send the ball to the

440
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.480
target successfully? I go, of
course I do, but I'm human,

441
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.559
and of course the negative thoughts come
in, right, I promise you.

442
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.000
When Rory Mackelway's doing that, he's
not thinking about how he's going to miss

443
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.359
it. He's thinking about this is
going to be so fff and good.

444
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.279
I can't wait to hit the shot. And that's what Nicholas was feeling.

445
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.920
But that's not really a normal state
of consciousness. The pent of golfers out

446
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:06.079
there, including most tour pros.
That doesn't work. Yeah, yeah,

447
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.920
well it takes up much higher level
of confidence than the average person has.

448
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:15.000
So when you're when you're teaching somebody, do you promote a waggle? Do

449
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.799
you let them like because I don't. I don't have a waggle. I

450
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.039
walk up to the ball and I
hit it. I try to. I

451
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.839
do all my waggling when I'm standing
behind the ball and looking down the fairway.

452
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:31.079
But do you promote a waggle?
And what's the point that's the purpose?

453
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.559
Read Read five Lessons hogan second book. He has three pages in there

454
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.519
on the waggle, and on one
page, the first page talking about it,

455
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:44.079
he says something like it's he it's
the most important part of the swing,

456
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.559
or one of the most important parts
when you waggle. And he says,

457
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:52.319
you know the old Scottish phrases,
as you waggle, so shall ye

458
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.720
swing? So uh, if you
watch Hogan waggle in fact that he does

459
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.960
today, what's the most common type
of waggle? Or you hinge back your

460
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.720
trail wrist like this, back and
forth like that. This is an audio

461
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.680
use your tim an audio podcast.
You use your words. Well you can't.

462
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:16.079
You can't show me exactly exactly exactly. So so hinging hinging your wrist

463
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:22.119
means you you you you flex your
wrist backward the back of your trail hands,

464
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.920
well right hand if you're right hand
golfer goes back toward your forearm,

465
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:29.599
not up towards the sky. That's
called cocking. So when you're when you

466
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.119
hinge back and then forth a little
bit, that's the Hogan waggle. And

467
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.039
what it does is it it reduces
the tendency for your mind and body to

468
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.519
get frozen from stress or from pressure. So when you're waggling, You're you're

469
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.400
keeping some sense of athletic fluid motion
in your body. You're also kind of

470
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:51.519
shuffling your feet a little bit while
your waggle. Yeah, there's only been

471
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.079
a few great players who don't waggle
it all through, Like you know the

472
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.559
English guy Lee Westwood. He just
sits there. He stands there and doesn't

473
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.440
move. He looks like he's a
thirty handicap. He just frozen. So

474
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.480
obviously it works for him. He
doesn't waggle. He's a great, incredibly

475
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:12.639
great player. Right, So then
I have to ask, is the first

476
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:19.280
move in your takeaway the hinging of
your wrists or are you taking you you're

477
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.239
bringing the club back with your I
don't am I supposed to be hinging my

478
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:27.800
risks on my first move? How
do I waggle with my hinge risting?

479
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:35.159
And then don't do that? On
the swing? It depends on because again

480
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.719
there are there are more than one
type of swing method out there. In

481
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.800
the method that I teach, which
is what today, starting thirty years ago,

482
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.320
almost all good players do it this, do this type of swing model,

483
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:52.440
which I call leverage spin. You
start your swing multiple, you start

484
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:57.519
your takeaway with several things happening simultaneously. There's a pivot of your body.

485
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.599
There's there's a slight arm swing,
and there's there's risk hinging and cocking,

486
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.519
and they're all they're all happening simultaneously, not sequentially. So there's a risk

487
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.880
component, there's an upper arm component, and there's a pivot component, and

488
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.840
they're all happening at the I can
show you, you know, I know

489
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.199
it's it's I know it's audio.
I can show you if you want,

490
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:21.639
well, you show me, but
you need to explain what you're doing,

491
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.679
because now I'm really now I'm terrified. Actually, then I'm going to start

492
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:31.159
thinking about doing that and it's not
something I naturally do. Oh well,

493
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.599
then then I shouldn't show you.
Then I don't think I want to do

494
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:39.400
anything that would Yeah, yeah,
please, I want I want to learn

495
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.679
that Waldron that I would say that
I would answer the question. Yeah,

496
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:49.559
it's a simultaneous pivot, slight arm
arm push away and then risk hinging and

497
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.280
cocking all at the same time.
Arm away, arm push away. Wait

498
00:35:54.400 --> 00:36:00.159
a minute, I try to if
if I if I go out instead or

499
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:07.239
turn No, wait, so I'm
I'm really struggling here. What about I've

500
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.920
noticed, Yeah, but no,
there's no. Is there a turning over

501
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.320
of a less I'm a right hander. Is there a turning over of a

502
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.960
left hand or should the right hand? No, there's no. There's no

503
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.360
forearm rotation at all in the takeaway
zero. Oh boy, you've just screwed

504
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:30.920
my game. Up man, watch
watch man. Here's the pivot part.

505
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.519
Okay, so you've got your hands, you've crossed your hands across your chest

506
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:39.679
now, and you're rotating. I
think you've got to explain this. Yeah,

507
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:43.440
this is what I'm doing. I'm
showing. I'm showing fred if I

508
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:45.440
was going to break it down into
the three main components. There's a pivot

509
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:52.440
aspect, which is rotation of hips, core and torso, along with a

510
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.119
little bit of left side tilt like
this, I'm tilting my shoulder girdle about

511
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:59.679
four inches down, my left shoulders
going down, my right shoulders going up.

512
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.719
So so when I blend those two
pieces together, it looks like this,

513
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:07.840
right. This is the takeaway.
The arm part is you gently extend

514
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.880
your arms. You can think of
it focus on your hands as if I

515
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.880
was going to shake hands to someone
standing a little bit to my right like

516
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.719
this, there's a little bit of
that. I'm overdoing it. You can

517
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.360
see it in reality. It's it's
less. It's it's like it's like it's

518
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.480
just like six inches of movement.
There's a little that, and then there's

519
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.320
hinging and cocking combined, which looks
like that. So when I when I

520
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.400
combine all those things, it just
looks like this. And that's what almost

521
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.360
all great players to do today are
doing what I just showed you. Now,

522
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:49.000
what about the left arm, the
left biceps staying attached to your pecks,

523
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.760
to your chest in the Yeah,
it's correct. It stays. It

524
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.840
stays on your packs almost till the
end of takeaway, and then it starts

525
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:04.880
to slide off and up. So
when you write elbow folds, when you

526
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.079
trail elbow folds at the end,
it starts. It starts to happen at

527
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.719
the end of takeaway. When the
trail elbow folds, it raises the arms

528
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.559
off of your chest, so the
arms go up and down in a V

529
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.840
shape in front of your chest as
your chest is rotating. They don't stay

530
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:23.199
connected throughout the entire swing. Okay, I'm about to burst into tears.

531
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:29.639
I need to take another break,
I'll right back. We get so many

532
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:34.320
messages about practicing, but are these
the messages we remember when we get to

533
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:38.480
our favorite practice facility. One of
my favorites is practice with a purpose,

534
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.840
meaning don't just go out and pound
ball after ball after ball, but have

535
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.400
a method to your madness to work
on and achieve something specific. The second

536
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.679
is one that we'll hear more about
this week on Golf Smart Mulligans with part

537
00:38:53.760 --> 00:39:00.440
two of our conversation with Chris Fry
in an episode we call avoiding the errolsts

538
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.440
back nine blow apps. I want
my students to do an equal balance of

539
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.440
technique fundamentals, but also practice like
you play. And what that means is

540
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.880
pick a target in the distance,
hit a driver to it. Grab your

541
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.599
next club, maybe it's an eight
iron, Pick another target, go at

542
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.400
it, and be constantly challenging yourself
to switch clubs, never letting yourself get

543
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.400
into a groove because we all know
you can't get really into that groove of

544
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.800
hitting six drivers in a row on
the golf course. Then once you start

545
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.199
to get the hang of that,
then challenge yourself to curve shots. I

546
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.599
tell a lot of my students,
hey, let's just curve this one left

547
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.800
to right. I want to see
you fade one into the pin in the

548
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.239
middle of the range and they look
at me like I'm crazy. You know,

549
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.599
they might be a fifteen handicapper and
they tell me, I just want

550
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.679
to hit it straight. How often
do you hit a straight ball? Pretty

551
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.239
much never. That's the hardest shot
in golf. So if you teach yourself

552
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:51.360
to aim left of a pin and
visualize the fade and really just work on

553
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.960
fading that ball left to right into
the pin, you surprise yourself more often

554
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:58.760
than not. That's episode two hundred
and twenty six, part two of our

555
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:05.000
conversation feature Chris Fry on our sister
podcast, Golf Smarter Mulligans, being released

556
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:10.000
this Friday morning. Originally published as
a member's only episode in January twenty twelve,

557
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.239
means that this insightful conversation has never
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558
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562
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:47.679
Ah, people frequently ask me,
doesn't your mind get overwhelmed with all these

563
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:53.000
conversations. Don't you have like information
overload? And it's like yeah, all

564
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.599
the time. So I try to
be very selective on what I pick out

565
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.199
in a conversation. I'm ready.
It's like, I swear this is the

566
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.519
last episode I'm ever going to do, because it's like, now my mind

567
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.360
is really blown and I have no
idea what I'm going to do when I

568
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:15.760
go out there. Now, remember
we're just two We're two buddies talking swing

569
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.519
theory. And I'm not saying that
you should implement these changes. You just

570
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.360
ask me what the what? What
the model is? I told you what

571
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.000
the model is. But yeah,
you may not be a candidate for the

572
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.599
model. First of all, if
you're not willing to put the time in

573
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:32.239
to do work, particularly slow motion
mirror work, to learn these component parts

574
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.199
I just describe. These are not
these are not things to think about over

575
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:42.119
the ball. Yeah, system,
there's no swing thoughts. This is this

576
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.960
is just for practice only. You're
still in front of a mirror and you

577
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.079
learn to make a proper, proper
pivot motion. Then you learn to make

578
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:51.519
proper wrist action, and then you
learn to make proper arm action, and

579
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.639
then you learn how to combine them
together. All right, So let's not

580
00:41:53.719 --> 00:42:00.280
stuff that that would ever recommend.
Yeah, all right, let's get back

581
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.159
to unconscious competence. Let's talk about
quieting the mind. Because at around recently

582
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.000
that it was so hot outside,
I couldn't think at all and played great

583
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:15.559
goal of I mean it was so
hot. Yeah, it was so hot,

584
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:17.559
and I kept hydrating. I sip
and nibble all the way through,

585
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.679
and I'm hydrating and I'm I'm grazing
with my you know, nuts and peanut

586
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.800
butter, pretzels and stuff. But
I just couldn't. I just couldn't think.

587
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.280
So I just go up and I
made some incredible shots and I shot

588
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.679
even par on the back nine.
And the audience and I'm sure the audience

589
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.880
is getting sick of me talking about
this, you know, shooting part that's

590
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.599
every weekend. I'm talking about that
around weeks ago. It hasn't happened against

591
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:49.400
since, and I can't all I
can think of. All I can attribute

592
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.119
the whole thing too, was that
I just was my mind was blank because

593
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:58.760
I just was so distracted by the
heat. Quiet. Yeah, exactly,

594
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.239
Yeah. How do we quiet the
mind? How do we get to the

595
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:08.280
unconscious competence? That? Wow,
that could literally be I mean to answer

596
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:17.920
that question would take like a hundred
podcasts episodes. I what's one hundred more?

597
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.519
Fred? Nothing? Well, I
mean the first step I'll give you

598
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.360
the classical Buddhists. I know you're
you're kind of a bit of a fan

599
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.559
of the Buddhist approach and the Buddhist
system. The first step is acknowledging,

600
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.599
similar to what we talked about,
not being in denial about how crappy your

601
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.119
golf swing really is. When you
first do sitting meditation. Anybody who does

602
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:47.840
sitting meditation sitting meditation the Buddhist way, which is about trying to connect your

603
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.679
consciousness with what is happening in the
real in the real world. In the

604
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.480
moment, you quickly realize your mind
has a mind of its own, it's

605
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.360
out of control. The normal state
of consciousness is a mind in a random

606
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:06.840
chaos. So that's recognizing that,
that's the fact. That's the first step.

607
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.960
A lot of people don't want to
recognize that their minds in chaos.

608
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.679
And if they don't, if they're
not willing to recognize that, just like

609
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.800
if they're not willing recognize how bad
their swing is, they're not a candidate

610
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:22.320
for swing instruction. Right, So
when you're when you're willing to acknowledge,

611
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.119
well, the reason my mental game
sucks is because my mind has got a

612
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.679
mind of its own and it's thinking
all these negative thoughts and taking me out

613
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:34.360
of the present moment. Then you
can do various forms of concentration practice,

614
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.400
which in Buddhism are called samata practice
where your mind is very, very small,

615
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.400
we call narrow mode. I have
people look at a candle flame for

616
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.480
two minutes, and the goal is, can you look at a candle flame

617
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:52.679
for two minutes and not have any
internal psychological reaction to the candle flame?

618
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.679
Mean not no thoughts about it,
no emotional reaction, no thought, just

619
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.679
pure observational awareness using your eyeballs on
the candle flame. And then they work

620
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:06.000
up to five minutes, so eventually
you can stare at a candidate for five

621
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.119
minutes and not have anything going on
inside your head at all, no reaction

622
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:15.400
to it. Wow. So that's
that I teach people. Yeah, Yeah,

623
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.679
And then there's a classical sitting meditation
where you focus your mind in kinesthetic

624
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.880
awareness or feel channel, where you
feel your belty move in and out with

625
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.800
your breath and you try to keep
it there for twenty minutes without your mind

626
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:35.440
wandering off. Yeah, that's another
way exactly. We all we all tend

627
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.000
to have monkey mind, and that's
why we have to me meditation. Mindfulness

628
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:43.960
practice is like weightlifting for the mind, or it's like hygiene for the mind.

629
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.960
It's psychological hygiene, just like you
brushing your teeth is dental hygiene.

630
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.920
You should beat. Everybody should be
doing some type of mindfulness practice as a

631
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:55.320
regular part of their lifestyle every day. And there's walking meditation where you pick

632
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.960
an object for three seconds and you
look at it, you notice the size,

633
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.840
color in the shape. Then switch
your gaze to a second object,

634
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.639
notice it's size, color, and
shape again. It's similar to the candle

635
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.800
exercise stuff. You're walking and you're
changing your focal point every three seconds.

636
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:16.880
Well, that's what I have my
students do when they're walking between shots,

637
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:21.079
so they stay in the present moment. You. Yeah, that's the quickest

638
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.679
way to stay in the present moment
is to pay attention to the physical environment.

639
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.960
Don't go internal. And we talked
about a year ago about internal external.

640
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.760
That's not just during the golf point
when you're walking between shots, you

641
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.800
want to stay external too, right, because if you're internal walking between the

642
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.199
golf in between shots, you're going
to still be internal over the ball probably,

643
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:45.280
which is not good. Yeah,
interesting, fascinating. So there's there's

644
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.239
other methods, but these are some
of the main ones that I work with

645
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:59.679
people on. Wow, wow,
Okay, getting there, get it,

646
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.559
queiding the mind, slowing the mind, getting it to the alpha state as

647
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.280
opposed to the m state for the
monkey mind state or the beta state where

648
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:13.880
it's like it look really active.
Yeah, I've tried to figure out ways

649
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:19.800
of doing that, but I it's
it's it's hard work. It is.

650
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.239
It takes work. But when you're
when you have a reasonable level of mastery

651
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:28.800
over that skill of what we call
focused attention, it not that hard.

652
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.519
When once you have a reasonable level
of mastery, it's matter or just there's

653
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:36.719
a choice. There's well power involved. Like I can do it really well

654
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.719
because I started doing it when I
was ten. I'm seventy two now I've

655
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:44.360
got sixty two years of mindfilness practice
behind under my belt, so to speak,

656
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:46.960
So I could put my mind anywhere
I want and keep it there for

657
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:52.000
as long as I want, pretty
much. So it's not so to me.

658
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:53.760
It isn't. It isn't. It
isn't hard to do. I mean,

659
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.960
oh no, it only takes sixty
years to get there, just saying

660
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:01.719
that's right, that's right. But
for me, once you're there, it's

661
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.119
not hard. It's it's a choice. And you know, that's what was

662
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.639
cool about watching Harmon talk about how
he's not even that you know, he's

663
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.199
only been doing it for a few
years apparently. But but it is possible

664
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.360
to have a better to have a
measure of control over your consciousness. Yeah,

665
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.159
And it's simply a bout of putting
your mind where you want to put

666
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.920
it and holding there. You know. Oftentimes people can do it when they're

667
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.360
in potentially life threatening environments like my
son. I think we talked about my

668
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:36.719
son Kai for fun. He climbs
rock walls three thousand feet up in the

669
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:42.119
summer, and he climbs frozen waterfalls
in the winter. And the reason likes

670
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.119
to do that, yeah, for
fun, Because she said, is it

671
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:52.760
fun for his parents? No?
It's it's very stressful. It's like,

672
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:58.679
okay, and you know we've got
We've got my five year old grandsons.

673
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.199
He climbed a fifty at high Rock
Wall last Labor Day when he was four

674
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:07.679
and a half years old, straight
up and didn't all, yeah, well,

675
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.760
I mean we want to, you
know me, And you know,

676
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.880
my daughter and her husband encouraged her
because we you know, I raised my

677
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.880
kids to no you know, no
fear. That was part of our parenting

678
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:20.039
style. And I taught my kids
how to focus their mind, how to

679
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.000
meditate when they were both three years
old. But in Kai's case, he

680
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.320
told me the reason I like it, I feel so alive because you know,

681
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.760
if you make a mistake, you
could die. So the fact that

682
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.199
death is always there, ready behind
you, waiting to tap you on the

683
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:38.400
shoulder, so to speak, it
makes it easier to focus so you don't

684
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.559
make a mistake and die because of
the mistakes. So so that environment forces

685
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.199
you to be in the present moment
and pay attention to what you're doing right.

686
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.039
And you know, one thing we've
never talked about, and I have

687
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.239
talked about it another podcast recently is
this came up. I had a student

688
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:59.719
a YIP student asked me five years
ago. We were talking about confidence,

689
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.159
and he's to me. I got
to say, Jim, you're one of

690
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:05.119
the more confident people they've ever met. And why is that? I go,

691
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.639
I don't know. I've always I've
always felt I put my mind to

692
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.000
something I could be reasonably good at. It's not really good at. He

693
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:14.079
goes, so you're probably most confident
in your golf teaching ability. I go,

694
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.880
now, not even close. He
goes, oh, so you have

695
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.360
something else you do really well,
like a hobby. I go, now,

696
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:22.599
it's not really a hobby, it's
a skill. I go, it's

697
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.559
kind of weird. I don't feel
that comfortable talking about it. He goes,

698
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.360
well, what is it? I
go, I'm really good at street

699
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.280
fighting. He goes street fighting.
I go, yeah, I go.

700
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.159
I gotten lots of fights when I
was a kid growing up, and every

701
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.000
time I got into a fight,
without a single exception, I went into

702
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:42.719
that altered state where my mind was
extremely quiet, in that meta aware of

703
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.039
state. He goes, well,
how many fights did you get in?

704
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.960
And it took me a few minutes
to figure it out, like, well,

705
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.880
I say, I started with my
first fight when I was six.

706
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.559
My last flight was when two guys
tried to mug me when I was page

707
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:59.440
twenty two in San Francisco, right
right by Zen center Hayton Ashburt right by

708
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:07.519
Hayton Alguna as present centers and I
said, probably about three hundred fights.

709
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.679
He goes three hundred fights. Yeah. I grew up in a rough neighborhood.

710
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.159
They were gangs. It was a
working class neighborhood, a lot of

711
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.519
gangs, and my parents taught me
never to give into bullies, and even

712
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.440
today I still hate bullies. Right. So I was usually fighting a bully

713
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.719
who was picking on some younger kids, right, And I knew before the

714
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:28.239
fight started that I had already won
the fight. I was in this even

715
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.480
before the actual blows were thrown,
you know, before punches were thrown,

716
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.239
I already had concluded. I had
a strong belief that it was impossible for

717
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:42.559
me to lose the fight. And
when the fight started, my opponent appeared

718
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.960
to me to be trying to punch
me or kick me in slow motion,

719
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:50.280
and I'm punching like literally that fast, right, really fast. Even today,

720
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.639
I can punch pretty fast. So
it's how could you possibly lose a

721
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.119
fight if you're punching really fast and
the other guy's punching you like a slow

722
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.559
motion And I got fascinated by that
state, which is one of the things,

723
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.679
it's one of the origin stories for
how I got really fascinated with psychology

724
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:12.119
and consciousness, which eventually allowed me
to become a well known mental game coach

725
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.719
and YIPS coach, because I understand
what that being in the zone is all

726
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.400
about, because I never left the
zone in any of those three hundred fights

727
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:24.519
I was in, and I won
four fights against two opponents. Oh my

728
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:30.000
god, you have no idea.
And for me it was like people some

729
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.159
say, say, well, how
how why was it easy for you?

730
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.840
I go, well, there's a
great line if you'll As you know,

731
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:44.320
I'm a film buff. In the
movie with uh Matt Damon where he plays

732
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:50.480
the math genius what was it called
again Love You know won a bunch of

733
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:58.119
mini driver character. Yeah, Robin
Williams played the drivers. Yeah. I

734
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:02.639
like yeah. She asked, well, what's it like to be this Einstein

735
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:07.480
level genius about math and physics?
And he said, you know, it's

736
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.960
it's really hard to explain, but
you know, I just think about it

737
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:13.599
and the stuff just comes to me, and that's how fighting was for me.

738
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:17.760
I can vividly remember all of those
fights and how I understood intuitively what

739
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.400
it was all about. It was
something easy. It was like falling off

740
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.159
a log. It was I enjoyed
it. It was fun. My mind

741
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:29.519
was crystal clear. It was fun
to win, but it was but I

742
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:34.000
was so involved in the process.
I wasn't thinking about what's going to happen

743
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.639
ten seconds from now, completely complete
immersion in the present moment. And then,

744
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:42.480
of course my focal point was the
entire body of my opponent, from

745
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.400
the top of his head to the
bottom of his feet, and what I

746
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.480
call medium wide mode. So there's
three sizes. There's super wide consciousness,

747
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.440
there's medium wide kind of semi circle, and then there's a dot. So

748
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.360
when you're fighting, you want to
be medium wide. You want to look

749
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:59.920
at the whole body equally, because
you know he could he could throw upon

750
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:01.960
with one hand and kick you with
his left foot, So you have to

751
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:07.480
see everything equally and then react to
it. And then once I would decide

752
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:08.880
where I was going to wear my
blow, was going to land, my

753
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.800
punch or my kick, then I
would focus narrow, like if I was

754
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.400
going to punch him in the nose. Eventually I had focused on his tip

755
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:19.760
of his nose, and then my
fist would go there and it would easily

756
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.440
be it would most commonly. The
fight was over in three to five seconds.

757
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:29.519
It was really short. So it
got me fascinated about what's this stone

758
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.679
and peak performance? All about why
can't I do this on the golf course?

759
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:35.000
Right? It was always harder for
me to do it on the golf

760
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.599
course compared to in a street fight. How old were you when you got

761
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:43.559
married? Well, it depends how
you define marriage. I mean I made

762
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.960
a spiritual commitment to my wife,
and she made one to me when I

763
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:54.360
was twenty three, I think twenty
four. We've been for almost fifty years.

764
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:00.400
Yeah, so that so you haven't
been in a fight since exact marriage?

765
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:06.559
But fight. I've a couple of
close ones where the person backed down,

766
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.400
But yeah, have been an actual
fight. Then? Does your wife

767
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:15.880
know your pugilistic history? Oh of
course she does. Yeah. Yeah,

768
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:20.840
Well my friends know what my family
knows it honestly, and now we do.

769
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.199
I am I am so flipped out
about this story. I cannot believe

770
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:29.360
it. Well, I thought you'd
like this one. Oh, I gotta

771
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.519
love it. I'm blown away.
Well again, the reason I didn't bring

772
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:36.199
it up before was it's kind of
a weird thing to think this is the

773
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.639
best thing I do, and it
literally literally is the best thing. I'm

774
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:43.440
better at fighting than anything else.
There's not even a close second. I

775
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.599
mean even today. Well, there's
a funny ass. I'll tell you a

776
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.599
funny story about this. I was
talking about this where a yip stood the

777
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.239
other day about the power of belief
and how the as If principle which William

778
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:58.559
James, the great American philosopher and
founder of American psychology, came up with

779
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:02.360
this principle, you know, back
in eighteen ninety something called the as If

780
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:08.039
principle, which is the foundation of
modern psychotherapy, mainly cognitive behavioral therapy.

781
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:12.880
And I was explaining about when you
believe something to be true, and you

782
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.960
really believe it, your conscious mind
and your unconscious mind and your body will

783
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.760
react as if it was true,
even if from a rational perspective it's not

784
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:27.119
true. Right, Does that make
sense? So that's why if you're get

785
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.440
a formal belief about what you're capable
of doing, you want to always err

786
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:34.440
on the side of being positive,
not negative. And I brought the fighting

787
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.719
thing up, and he said,
and a friend of mine's when I first

788
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.360
was telling him, a friend of
mine fifty years ago about this, forty

789
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:43.599
years ago. He said, So
you think you're like one of the best

790
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.239
fighters in the world. I go, of course I am. He goes,

791
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.119
so you think you could beat Muhammad
Ali in a fight. I go,

792
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.840
yeah, absolutely, I could beat
Muhammad Ali. He goes, Jim,

793
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.679
do you realize how irrational that is. I know it's irrational. I'm

794
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:59.239
not saying it's irrational belief. He
goes, you probably believe you can beat

795
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:00.360
Bruce Lee. TO go, of
course, I could beat Bruce Lee in

796
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.760
a fight. He goes, that's
crazy. I go, I know,

797
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.440
rationally, how would get my ass
kicked if I actually tried to fight Muhammad

798
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.599
I'll lead Bruce Lee. But the
fact that I believe that I could beat

799
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.159
them, I'll last longer in the
fight because of that belief, because my

800
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:20.000
mind body connection is so strong,
because I've already formed that belief that I

801
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:23.559
can't lose, I'm going to perform
much better under the pressure of fighting these

802
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:29.719
two great fighters. I'll do better. Yeah, Well, here's the advantage

803
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:36.559
that you have. You're alive when
you're fighting two dead guys, it's not

804
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:38.760
going to be a hard fight.
Group. All right, we're gonna start

805
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:44.679
a whole new podcast, Jim.
It's Quick Fights with Jim Waldron the new

806
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:51.920
podcast here on your favorite podcast,
Jim, this was unbelievable. I am.

807
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.800
I can't wait to what happens the
next time we have a conversation because

808
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:59.760
I never know, we never know
what we're gonna say, and we never

809
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:04.480
know where it's gonna go. You're
always should be a video podcast. It'll

810
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.679
be a video podcast if I can
get my damn computer to work, and

811
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it'll be you and me fighting will
be it'll be an actual match between you

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and me. Oh that great,
But that's going to be about an eight

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second past. Yeah, one hand
time, and I'll have a blindfold on

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good and I'll have my hand and
and eight seconds is about as far as

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I can run two and then I'll
clocks out exhausted. Thank you, Jimmy.

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00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:34.280
It was great. Thank you so
much. Man. That see you

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next time. So you know,
being a good golf citizen is really an

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important thing, at least it is
for me, and that includes spending more

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time fixing divots on the green and
focusing on the pace of play based on

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00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.960
the group in front of you,
not feeling pressured from behind. But it

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also means that there should be at
least what two people probably three looking for

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00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.960
one of your group's lost ball.
If you've got to forceom, just make

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00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:09.440
sure that someone is hitting while others
are looking. And mostly it means that

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00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:15.400
no one in your group is spending
additional time searching through the woods or obi

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00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:19.440
just looking for lost or free balls. Do that on your own time,

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00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.480
please. But here's an example of
being a good golf citizen that happened to

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me last weekend. They wasn't usually
discussed. There were two couples playing behind

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00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:34.000
us, and one of the women
hold out from one hundred and twenty five

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00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:37.760
yards for an eagle. You can
imagine that their celebration was loud and joyous.

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00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:43.079
Everyone on at least six holes heard
them screaming about it. Well,

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00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.559
we were on the tea box at
the time, and the tea box was

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00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:52.239
just not far from where she just
nailed that eagle. I had already teed

833
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.960
off, so as she was walking
up to the green, I ran over

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00:59:55.079 --> 01:00:00.920
and celebrated with a high five and
a hearty congratulations and then run back to

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my group. Look, if there's
any joy on the golf course, don't

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01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:10.039
you want to be part of it? I need to provide this public service

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a couple of things about today's show
opening. I hope you got my

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joke as to why I added a
taste of the Beatles with the song one

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after nine o nine, as this
is episode nine hundred ten to Corny too

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01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:49.920
much to add humor, I didn't
need to explain it, sorry, but

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I do want to welcome this week's
Golf Smarter Ambassador, Ron Mulligan. Really,

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Ron, is that your real name? I love that Ron Mulligan of

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I'm going to leave a link in the

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show notes in today's blog post for
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