This. It is to two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. Yeah,
it's hard right now, It's tough, it sucks. You want to crawl
a hole and die. But this could be the best thing that's ever happened
to you. Justin Burke, then we actually take better care of her than
our plants or you're talking about Susan. You're back on that. Yeah,
And Mitchell old Brian, I watered all of the plants, all of them.
It is the nineteenth of January twenty twenty four. My name is Cory
Winfield, broadcasting from the North Studio today, which means I have fellow guests.
I guess they wouldn't be fellow guests, but Justin Burke, how are
you guys doing? Doing fabulous? All right? And Mitchell O'Brien, I'm
a fellow, and we get a conversation with yourself where you were talking to
us. I'm kind of so confused right now. All right, Well,
welcome to the podcast and we're going to talk a little recovery today. Men.
Yay, I'm experienced in that it's beautiful. Well, first of all,
I do have to say that I realized today's amounts of medication. Okay,
that's something called contrave, which is like half no track Zone and half
Wellbuchen or something. I mean, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a
pharmacist. That don't quote me on any of this, but I'm pretty sure
that's what it is. And I don't like it. I don't like the
way it makes me feel. And I've only been on it for like four
days now, but the first day I had to make a run to the
bathroom here at the office, and I have a rule pretty much, it's
like, don't do number two in the office bathroom because like it's right up
next to the front and you know, I had to I remember this moment.
Yeah, you're yes about time. Well, no, it wasn't just
one SAT day. I think it was twice, wasn't it. Yeah,
but it was only one time really, because my guts were gurgling and berglin
and I'm like, man, I don't want to shark myself because I had
to go talk over next door at the Detox, right. I don't want
to be over there, like, you know, have issues. But you
guys probably would be like, no, that's better for us because we're not
going to get the wrath of Windfield's shit shaming at work. So you guys
are probably rather to go to detox to take a crap but but nah,
So like I didn't like that part of it. But I just don't like
what makes me feel right now. And and today I was just thinking about
it on the way into work. I was like, all this really does.
And then I'm on some other medication that like is supposed to make me
not hungry. All I have to do, guys, is just don't eat
as much. Don't eat bullshit, you know, Like that's seriously all I
have to do. Like nothing they're giving me is like speeding up my metabolism
or anything like that. It's just the attraction I'm supposed to help me like
not want to eat sugars and stuff like that, I guess. But you
know, I do this to my recoveries. I encourage them to at least
stay on their medications for at least two weeks, because the first week was
the roughice and then it slowly starts to taper off the second week. Typically,
when you start a new medication, doctors devised thirty days. That's my
experience. Yeah, they say thirty days before it really kicks in, but
I don't like to always make me feel now. Yeah, well it's one
of those things you just have to get over or I just don't take it.
And like I said, see, is this a whole I'm in control
thing? Because this is this is why I want to talk about with you
guys today, because it's so early recovery stuff. I mean, it's it's
it's one to the other. You can look at it because here I am
going, well, I just want to stop taking it now. I just
I just want to do that. And my doctor's like, well, you
should be on this so you don't get diabetes anymore and anymore. Yeah,
I had it once. Then I was like, Okay, how do I
get rid of that? Oh? Conentrave, Okay, sure, I'll get
some of that, but I want to do it my way because I don't
like the way it moves with food. I don't look to the way we
do is. And if you rewind the track back to like six years ago
whatever, when I'm in the throes of addiction and struggling through early recovery and
people are telling me what to do and how to do it, and I'm
like, no, I don't want to do that. I'll do it just
a little bit. I'll go to your meetings, but I'm not gonna work
your steps. And then I try to work the steps and I half ask
them and I pick a sponsor who was kind of a friend, which they
say, don't do and then he relapses and I'm like, well, I
guess I can go relapse. Ah, like just stupid stuff like we're now.
It's like, okay, I'm gonna get off this mess. And then
what I'm just going down on some ice cream? R I will, you
know. And it's and my wife, she likes to cut these muffins.
They're fat on their blueberry cream cheese muffins. They're delicious. I know.
I didn't even have any last time. No, no, yesterday she made
cheesecake, or two days ago she made cheesecake bills ready for the eating.
Yesterday and I had a piece, and I think that's fine. It's just
don't have half the pie half the pie, or a taco bell lunch that's
twelve dollars, but you hit the dollar menu, so you know you're sitting
here and they can't even eat anymore. I'm like, you gotta get in
my mouth because I can't waste it, dude. But I think there's a
lot of similarities though, between what I'm going through now and just being in
recovery because and that's the thing too, I've been on I've been doing this
thing for a week now or a couple of weeks, I guess, but
I want the results now. I feel the same. I look in the
mirror, I look the same, which is you always will, right,
because unless you don't look in the mirror for like a month and then you
look, you're like, whoa, but you're always gonna look the same.
But you look at pictures, You're like, oh, well I did lose
that, you know. But if if your clothes are still fitting the same,
you know which they are. And I'm wanting these results now. Same
thing with early recovery. And I've talked about this in the podcast before too.
It's like, give it a week, give it a two weeks.
You're not drinking, people are telling you, hey, good job, you
know, people stop inviting you to the bar. You know, in my
case, people stop bringing back donuts from westco. You know, they stopped
going, Hey, want to go to lunch and get a big old greasy
burger Justin still does it, but everybody else kind of respects the fact that
I'm trying something to do with my eating styles. But I didn't ask I
asked you what you wanted and where you wanted it from the other day,
which was respectful, and then scolded me for not bringing donuts back even though
I was being respectful to Corey's diet because I'm so fat. And I think
you hounded me before about going to Manisty and not bringing you back donuts.
I think this sounds like some early recovery selfishness happening over here. I think
so something I don't know it might be because I was mad at you once
for not bringing donuts back from LESCo and I did, but that was back
when I was like ninety, so I was trying to get them extra ten
to get me to the three bills. But now I want to go the
other way. And like I said, man, I don't want to diabetes
again, and I just want to be healthy. And I got a child
on the way, and I've been thinking about this a lot too, And
this is crazy, and you guys maybe thought about this already, But when
you start thinking that your child probably will never leave your house because you're afraid
that he might get hurt. No, Justin's like, Noah didn't care.
Man, it was like I'm making another one. No thing. But was
it ever like that with you, Mitch, where you were just like I
got a protective shield around this. No. Well so yes, but not
to where I wouldn't leave the house. Very very protective of him, especially
when he was very little, and like watchdog protective. But I wanted to
take him everywhere. I took him to the store, to the mall,
out to the parks and just wanted to take them everywhere and do the things.
But it did not let him leave my sight until very recently. So
it maybe that'll change. Maybe once I hold him, I realize, oh
he's not that breakabawl, but he is gonna. Or maybe it's because you
know, Marny and I we've tried so hard and it was a long,
long journey. I mean, there's people that have had longer and harder journeys
than us. I'm not saying that other people don't, but for us,
it was just such a hard thing and I'm just like, oh my gosh,
like this thing, we can't break it. They don't break easy.
The hell quicker when they're young. To his peach, they bounce back.
Yeah, don't shake him. I heard, dude, my son was God
like. They're like he she shouldn't have happened like it. I don't know
how you know what I mean? But huh, all right, Adam,
Well we'll come back to you in just a second. Adam, I didn't
know you. Just Adam just popped in for just a second and he,
I guess her was talking about the hall. I wanted to share something.
But with those little equips of wisdom. Yeah, well we'll come back to
to Adam here in a minute. But just I just look at it as
uh, and I think that it's something Jesus. Adam got me. Now
I'm talking like him. You get it, you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, the people in the earth, it's just she. I want to
touch on something that you said earlier in the podcast, which was all I
have to do is not eat? Yeah? Was that ever a part of
your recovery journey with alcohol or any other substances? Yeah, I just won't
drink, Just won't drink, Just won't drink. After trying and trying and
trying and trying, and trying trying to finally got it. But did you
just not drink? Was there more to it? Them? That was way
more to it. Yeah, so that's kind of what I was getting that
whatever, just don't see that at all. Whatever you were not, But
so I should start a company, a nonprofit to help sugar addicts. Let
me ask you something, what do you put over eating record? Well,
I I mean water and started water based company. This is water Greavy.
We started it because I heard something about this structured water. You gets hurt
about this ice? No? Yeah, that stuff just gets thrown away.
No, we're not selling ice, especially with the recovery behind it. People
all confused recovery even buy some ice and they're like you give them a bag
of ice and I'm like, what we chop up the real little bits structured
water. Cops come by, What are you doing selling ice? Yeah?
This one's free throwing a peg and have like freeze dried first there you go,
what is that? You put it in your drink? Dumb ass?
And we get arrested. So what is structured water? No? I don't
really know too much about it, but I know it's more than ice.
No, it like how it breaks down in it because it like forms Jesus,
I'm talking like Adam again and she a hexagon again. I don't know
what I'm talking about out, but it's structured the way the water molecule breaks
down. I guess it looks like a Okay, you know a snowflake you
can't to draw. I've cut them out of paper when you're a kid in
school. That's what a piece of little water looks like. Well, you
can little piece of water. You can somehow get some smart guy somewhere to
do something to the water where it structures it, where it goes like a
hexagon or something, which is supposed to be more potent more it'll get you
more hydrated. So they alter the molecules of the water to be different and
it helps better. We're gonna find out because Justin, I think, is
googling it. I am, and he's gonna seen. I've seen experiments where
they put certain shaped crystals in water, and then in salt water, specifically
to show how you can program water like that. Because these people took a
petri dish and it was salt water from the ocean where most of our salt
water is, and then they put this clear where it's like pyramid shape,
so it was the four sided pyramid in it, and then they let the
water evaporate, and then when the water evaporated, the salt that was left
behind crystallized into these little pyramids. Hmm. And they said that's what No
way I believe you though. I mean, that kind of sounds like not
what we're talking about. But that's cool that they well, we don't know
how it works, and I'm saying it could be something along those lines,
because they say that the frequency of the crystal changes the molecule structure of the
water, and then the water remembers that to the point to where it as
it evaporates, it leaves the minerals behind in that shape. So here it
says what is structured water. Structured water is also known as hexagonal water.
Yeah, first two water molecules that form a hexagonal cluster. Is believed that
structured water is very similar, if not the same, as pure, untouched
and uncontaminated water found in glacier molts and natural springs. I come right in.
I am very sneaky about it. You'll be talking to someone and I'll
just come in and sit at my desk and just bust one out real quick.
All right. I don't think that last part was in there. If
there's busting out involved, I don't want to try this water, not at
all. Hmm. But it's so so wait, what's the point of it
then? So it's just regular for water. What is the point of structured
water? It says it helps to improve concentration and memory, promotes weight loss
and weight maintenance, promotes better sleep, supports a healthier immune system. That's
pain. It was easier just to look them all, Okay, so that
sounds like something I should start. We should not say looking at them all,
but we should start a structured water company. But did you hear how
where it comes from. I wasn't listening. It's just water. It's natural
spring water. So I can buy that for thirty of them for three dollars.
But here's the thing, because our governor and our state likes giving stuff
away, we can get the water for a fifty dollars application fee and we
get all the water we want. That's true. I would have done that,
and it's true forever ago. Now they didn't do that, okay,
and now they're given it by free bottle water. They do the same thing
in Bet Harbor. I talk about conspiracies. Hmm, well, if we
want to talk about conspiracies, I have one floating around my head about glacial
water, which is what that said. They can be in these high end
companies in like the Middle East, not going to throw anything out there so
targeted or anything. And put my tinfoil hat on real quick. Are paying
companies to go to the glaciers and the far north and south to get these
blue chunks of icebergs and then bringing them back and chipping them up and put
them in their drinks that their clubs and stuff and like Dubai and stuff like
that. And I'm just saying, I think the end of the human race
is going to be that one chip of ice that has that ancient virus that
nobody knows about stuck in it. Oh yeah, that saws out into somebody's
drink, and then there's patient zero. Structured water is just it's just helping
that. And you're saying that water's dirty. This is dirty icebergs, man.
So here's more about structured water, all right. Others believe you can
turn regular water into structured water regular water magnetizing it through a process called vortexing,
exposing it to ultraviolet or infrared light, exposing it to natural heat and
energy such as sunlight, storing it in gemstone water bottles gemstone. See that's
what I was saying at the top. And then it also says you can
take a smooth crystal or stone and place it into a funnel, but make
sure that the hole is not completely blocked. Fill the funnel up halfway with
marbles. Pour your clean water over the marbles, which will create a vortex
effect as it runs over them, structuring the water. What, no way,
At what point do you get your magic wand involved? I don't know.
I believe this is some type of sorcery. You just pour some water
over some marbles in a crystal and it'll use a funnel and you got some
structure of water. Boys, I think we got a business. I can
do all that stuff. It basically at the one point, it says,
just put your water in a bottle with the crystal and you're good to go.
Well, it says exposing it to to sunlight vortex changes its molecule composition
and adding to UV light, we're infra red light or natural heat source such
as sunlight. I mean where you could get the versus swirl. So you
just like spend stir, just stir it up as it goes down the funnel
hits the marbles, goes into the the cup of the Jesus cup and you
just get some sun hitting it or any light if only you could get because
it's at one point, or you can just use sunlight. And if only
there was water exposed to sunlight on this planet, yeah, anywhere, So
which means every lake has structured water. So it just means it's regular water,
no man, that people have either played with or gotten out of the
sunlight. They're selling it like you can like out in La and stuff.
Well yeah, my like sleb friends, you know they buy it out there.
It's like twenty seven bucks a bottle, not thirty twenty seven Yeah,
normal bottle twelve ounce. Then you know, get you some structured water.
But but that's sex saying Elie could because we went to the grocery store and
you know how you get a little fruit cut well I'm not even really cut,
but you go to the store and they had already cut the pineapple up
for you and put in a little container. Yep, it was like fifty
bucks. What And my brother worked at the store, and he's like,
yeah, they want to keep all the peasants out. This is where like
the rich people shop. It's like, no kidding, damn, we could
make up something better. I just want to go there and sell pineapples.
If they're buying a little piece of cut up pine, we'll just get up
pineapple, do the work, cut the fucker up and then sells rich people.
We could do structured money structure. What makes it structured well, the
way that we cut it copy exactly from structured waters. We only talked nice
to them while they grow. Let's take the funnel part out. I think
we'd make more money if we sold if we did a produce like that,
and it was that concept of being nicer, yelling at your your plants.
We did angry fruit because I yelled at these fruits were only cussed at and
yelled at and only had the hardest death metal plate around it. Get you
some tyrone, but with tyron what we could call it like metal fruit,
and then you could have some tyrone pineapple and all the things. So I
did take it one step farther and they you can buy two liters large pass
the hydrogen water. Pitch your maker machine? Whoa hydrogen water bottle generator?
That's how much it is, one seven dollars nine because it just puts your
normal water into something else as normal water. Did you say a bottle maker
out of hydrogen? Out of hydrogen is how it boarded it. Yeah,
hydrogen water bottle maker. So it makes hydrogen water bottles. That doesn't sound
right. Just so it's confused. He's like, well, I don't know
the old Shulder shrug man. I don't want to be drinking out of a
little Neurremberg or what was that the big blimp that lit on fire? That's
close's Enburghburgh? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Nuremberg is in Germany? Or
is it the Lindenberg. I'm gonna have justin looking up it. He's still
confused about structured water, and that's and that's how I was confused. I
was like, wait, what is this? I never heard of structured water?
But they say it's really healthy for you. Yeah, because the water,
and that's what just water does for you. So when I get home
tonight, I'm gonna I'm gonna come in. I'm gonna have a bag of
marbles, a filter like Martin. Flashlight, what are you doing? I
gotta late in my office. You could just shine into any bottle of water.
We just set it out in the sun during summertime, right, like
this is going places. Maybe the southern people are onto something with sunlight tea.
Yeah, my mom used to make that when I was a kid.
Yeah, structured tea. He just got use some of our structured water with
with tea leaves that were only swore at it refused to mix with the tea.
It's like oil and water. Yeah, drink it fast. They call
it hydrophobic. Oh that's fun. Yeah, but it's gotta be something,
man, it's gotta be something. I just have to because during back to
the back to the real talk here, but bring it back rabbit trail over
m hm. So when I quit drinking, I was on like zoloft,
but I was on very very low dose. So you know, in this
well bututrin concoction that they got me on. Now, like maybe I don't
take as much and maybe I give it another week. Maybe I stopped taking
the other one because I don't know if I'm supposed to be even taking that
one with this one, So maybe that could be the problem. We had
some fun experiences on taking multiple medications once. Yeah, can be bad.
Maybe that's what's throwing me off. But yeah, I just been thinking about
life a lot, like way too much. Do you have a therapist?
I do? Have you talked to her recently? Oh? No, maybe
you should. Yeah, that's what you guys are for some of it.
We don't specialize in therapy. No, but you can let me get it
out and figure out and then we talked to our therapists about it. Justin
and I had therapist cookies today, mental health cookies. What the mindset?
Mental health on it short, a little brain with like battle axes on the
battle like they were like dumb bulls. There was only silver on one side.
There wasn't Yeah, there was Where are you getting those from now?
Or therapist? She gives me cookies. I guess it doesn't seem ethical.
I think they were laced with something. Most sugars what they're laced with,
and you're gonna keep coming back. They're really they're really cool looking, I
said self care. She's gonna be driving around in a van has not cookies.
Well, I don't even know if she so. Justin and I share
a therapist and we haven't talked about that on the podcast before, but she
wanted me to take him one because she was afraid that her cookies were going
to be gone by the time he came in for his his session. So
that's how that all went down. Okay, So do you like your therapist?
I do. Yeah, she's amazing. Have you read to draw Google?
No, that's a good idea. I should, It's a very good
idea. I'm not a Google raider. I don't rate anything on Google.
I'm a local guide. So you keep getting them cookies? Mitch, you
throw that rating out there? Would you rate her a five star? I
would? Yeah. Let's pretend you're a Google raider justin you're about ready to
rate, and you're going over there with your little mouse and how many stars
are getting there? To wait? You take Susan with you? Three?
I think you met the computer? And yeah, moving a little arrow thing
over it? Cursor? How many kicking on? Thank you? Five?
Five? And what are you writing in the comments? Wait? Even better?
Yet? What gift you're thrown up? I'm not a gift user.
Oh, I'm a gift user. I love gifts. Okay, what gift
would you throw up? I try to find something, maybe a dinosaur with
some hearts over it's like like going like in a rainbow fashion over the head,
maybe holding a cookie, because that's part of it. Rainbows. Yeah,
okay, why a dinosaur. That's the first thing that keep to my
mind. That's how I do my gift, and that's what you should do,
and that's how that's how I rate your guys' blogs. You know,
you write a blog, I read it, and then I just throw a
gift on it. Yeah. Sometimes it's confusing, probably, and sometimes it's
pretty funny. I think sometimes it has something to do with what we write
about, and sometimes it has to do with how we know you feel about
it. And nobody's gonna understand it. I'm like, I put his hand
on his head, going, oh, Justin's got a few of those.
Those are the early days though. But yeah, all right, so pretend
you are a giffer. You're gonna throw a gift on it justin you rate
it or five stars, a nice big heart m it might be inappropriate and
say that's I think that's past. You have things you get like therapist patient
ethics. Yeah, no, not at all. It's a big red heart.
I love you? Doesn't that? Doesn't that what that means? Or
no, what does a big red heart mean to you? Justin? Someone
who cares? Does it mean to you? Mitch? Love? That's what
it means to me too. Yeah, I think that's what it means to
like ninety nine percent of everybody and the earth. Like you can ask somebody
from China who's speaking of Englis, what does this mean? He'd be like,
oh, he would do like a couple of different emotions, probably with
hip thrust. Some of those might be in there. That a big warm
heart. I didn't say a red heart. Well, you want it to
be warm, especially we go down that. Okay, what color is this
heart than? Justin? I don't know green. I would say, if
you don't want affections warm heart, I'd say, if you don't want an
affectionate heart, like the physical action. He's googling what colors don't mean?
Love about yellow for friendship? There you go, buddy, Okay, I
don't know colored deforations. It's very progressive color though. Hey, on Valentine's
Day cards? Did you ever have to make them in school? Justin?
M your kid remember that? Can you remember? Let's go back to those
days. Yeah, Okay, remember they're like, here's here's your piece of
paper, and you gave them all to everybody in class. So does that
mean that you loved everybody in class? I want you to design one with
hip thrust for your mom. Here's here's a pin, here's an empty piece
of paper, and now draw a card for her. What are you gonna
draw? Heart? The hip thrust heart started for me in like sixth grade.
Dang, that's crazy considering how you were homeschooled. So you yeah,
church girls, man, wild, let's talk about church girls from it.
Yeah. We were talking about that the other day because there was a situation
that came up and I was like, man, this is like because again
I'm thinking way, I'm thinking way too far ahead with Parker who's not even
born yet, and I'm like, oh, when he gets older, Like,
is he going to be the rebel? You know, his mom and
dad are in recovery, They work in recovery, They talk about recovery all
the time. Is he going to be like the preacher's daughter? You know,
the footloose is gonna run round dancing everywhere? What a sceptred place,
having sex with dancing everywhere? I remember this conversation. What spurred you to
have these thoughts? I don't know, man, is the stuff I'm on?
Oh no, no, no no. It was a very specific situation
that's happening with with my son. Yeah, yeah, well I was thinking
about this before that, but then when that happened to you, it was
like, yeah, it's the same thing, man, I was thinking about
that the other day. It's about, you know, how is it going
to be like the preacher's daughter. You know, she supposedly is like the
easy one around town? Now? Is he going to run out and be
the druggie? Like whatever? Man, my parents do that. I guess
what I'm rebel neck tattoo, a little baggies in his pocket. M M.
You know there was something similar. I don't know. Talk about it
if you want to talk about it. I don't know. Oh yeah,
that's fine. Are you talking about what I think you're talking about? You
guys want to know something readily personal about Mitch's family? Sure, Okay,
which one are we going into? You guys know way too much? Well,
the one that just happened. Yeah. I got to administer my first
drug test the first times in my life where I wasn't the testee. Wait,
it was a tester. You're gonna turn that into a drop. So
get a call from the middle school here in town this week, and somebody
at the school got found with vape we'ed pen vape pen weed, marijuana in
their pocket. And then somebody was my fourteen year old son, ouch,
I got your ass two jobs because you can't ride. She us that one.
You know, at least you only got a phone call from the school.
I remember being in school years ago. It wasn't just a phone call
from the school we got. There's typically the school cop that got involved.
Yeah, and then you had to go to court. I think it was
a little last got lucky, is what happened. And it fell out of
his pocket, and then everybody in the gym, they were in the gym
at the time went similar. They're all like, that's not mine, including
him, And then the tape got rolled back after the school day because it
was the last hour or whatever, and then they went, oh, it
fell out of his pocket, and so then it was the next day.
So I don't know if there's like a statue of limitations on well, you
know, I mean, like that kind of a thing. Like it wasn't
the same day, so they didn't. It is in as much trouble but
suspension all that. It was interesting. Go ahead, just real quick question.
How do they know it's a wee vape? Well, my theory is
that the vice principal is the one who is talking to me, is supplying
them for the children. Whoa and this kid, my kid is the one
who got caught with it. So you had to make a what do they
call that example? Make an example out of him and and be like all
the other kids that are that are buying them from him. And he's like,
you ain't get no more. If you're gonna act like this kid,
why would he like like call out the people he's selling to. Man,
that's the thing is wants them to be smarter, repond. He's not going
to sell me out otherwise, I'm not gonna give you any more, little
guy. He's like, I'm not giving you guys any more drugs if you're
gonna be stupid and have them in your pocket while you're bouncing around in gym
class. Yeah, yeah, I see. That's where the example came in,
and we kind of bring it down to you how it really went down
you're like I had enough of this, and he just like walked away.
Like we were like breaking down, like you having grand children and everything,
and what kind of swinging parties happen when you're here at work and helping people
in their recovery. What's really going down at Mitch's pad? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, all kinds of stuff, man, I'm telling you. And
then I just don't understand how they can suspend a kid because that's what he
wants, like he does not care. Yeah, I'm like, put him
in a chain gang, keep him for the weekend. I don't do something.
Put his ass in basketball, make his ass stark. He sucks,
but there you go. He is part black. He'd probably be good at
it, and you're not. You're not coming out of the game at allest
hate that. Yeah, I mean I asked him how he felt though.
I was like, so, did you think that you're going to have to
do because every once in a while, in like three or four times a
year, I can't remember what he said, they have to do these things
called pace tests, and they're in gym where they time them running back and
forth in the gym. That's something that they do all the time and he
didn't know that this was happening that day, and I was like, oh,
so you decided to have your weep we need vape pen on you the
day that you were going to be just sprinting across the gym and back.
And he dresses like justin so he's always in sweats. Yeah. I was
like, so, did that creep up on you or did you know that
was gonna happen, because I was like, let's talk about intelligence for a
minute. And he's like, yeah, no, I didn't know it was
gonna happen. And I was like, I would hope so because it was
stupid, and just take your wead vape to school because it's so hard at
school you need to be high well. And then this kid, I've heard
that from people before, you know, my degenerate friends that peer pressured me
and to start drinking and stuff. That's what they said about school. And
I wouldn't know because I was mostly homeschooled, and when I was in public
school, it was only for a couple of years, and I was a
goodie goody back then, so it was before I ever got into any kind
of substances or anything. But this kid, heve the when I talked to
the vice principal, he did the I'm holding it for a friend excuse.
And I even asked the principal like did you believe that? Yeah? Yeah,
and he's like, well the way he said it to me, And
I'm like seriously, like really, and then you're just gonna send him home
so he can like not have to come to school, like he doesn't want
to be at school. So I don't know, maybe she consider the alternative
school for him. I've talked to him about it, but I think you,
like you said, they get smoke breaks, I can't put him there.
Well, they used to in my school days. I don't think they
allow that anymore. They don't want to sit down and make them smoke the
whole pin. I thought about coming in and tell and you guys, he's
like, did what my dad would have done and smoked a whole back of
cigarettes, made him smoke the whole pen. But no, they did confiscate
it. So you know, it's fifteen bucks I'll never get back. Well,
in some theory, you probably did give him the money to buy it,
Yeah, Christmas money or something, lunch money. Do you get him
lunch money? Not anymore used to he probably stole it from his mom when
he was downstate. It's possible. I want to put me put it past
her. So so now justin pegs him as a thief. See, well
we've had those issues in the past, two stereotypes. Once he starts using
drugs, now he's a thief. Well, I know back in my day,
when I was in high school making you grand five, I wouldn't think
twice about going through my mom's room trying to find her bag weed. Did
you ever find anything else in there? No? That's what it scared me
more was But I can tell you there was a handful of times that my
mom came up him to know weed and left. M hmm. My mom
had common her perse sometimes, but no weed anything like that. My dad
was the pothead in our house, but I don't think he kept it in
the house. So so again, and he had said something to your drug
dealing vice principal that my dad is gonna be so pissed because he works for
a recovery organization. Yeah, he goes, my dad works at a recovery
center. He's gonna be he's gonna kill me. Why didn't he just say
two to seventeen recovery. He probably wants to have to get the name out
there. Maybe you should consider sending him to a teenager's rehab after for one
one run in Yeah, I like I can play basketball's Yeah, he'd hate
it to be perfect. He hates going to class, set, doesn't like
to wake up in the morning. I mean, what better way some as
I asked, a boot camp? Right? More? Can't learn here military
they used to say shape up or ship out. So we're gonna send him
to NOM. Let's go back to how this started. What are you gonna
do with Parker someday? I don't know. I just hope that it doesn't
happen, you know, and the conversations that we're gonna have with him,
and seeing your son's seen it firsthand, he's seen it, we would just
be a mess, you know. He knows what that life goes to.
And again it goes back to something we've all said, not gonna happen to
me. Oh yeah, it happened to him at least. Stupid. I'm
not gonna let it get that far. I'm going to stop it before it
gets that far. Well, and I had an issue when an issue,
like when I was fifteen, my grandmother was hitting held by a drunk driver
and I was there and I saw it happen, and so that put me
throughout my entire teenage years. The rest of them, I hated anything they
had to do with any kind of addiction or alcohol or anything. And then
I turned nineteen and all of a sudden, peer pressure gets involved and I
start making those decisions. Because I don't want to make it sound like I
blame those people for doing it, because I made the choice, that was
my choice back then to do it. But it was so easy for me
to flip fop from completely hating anything to do with any kind of substance use
to just being right in it and getting hooked. It was so easy.
I'm thinking, that's something genius here. Is it better than the structured water?
I don't know anything's better than that. That's a pretty good idea,
no if. Okay, So you were talking about peer pressure and there's like
this group of kids in school or at homeschool. I'm not sure how that
works on the block that are just so cool because I don't know, it
just looks so cool that they're doing these drugs, they're smoking these cigarettes,
drinking these beers. They're so cool. What can we make that's like cool?
Or how do we make that uncool? Justin I have a button that
can hit you gotta do the thing I forgot? It just takes it right
off. But how could we make it? Because Okay, if we're watching
a movie I'm trying to think of we're watching a movie, We're like,
Oh, we don't want to be like that guy. Damn you to your
microphone? What's going on? You guys kicked it accident? So like what
do we watch that We're like, I don't want to be like that guy?
Like, how do we take that and put that into young kids minds?
Do we have Taylor Swift saying about it? It might be in our
budget? Got I have a week go for Cardi B and just say,
don't you don't want to be like this kid's Yeah, because they think she's
cool because she's rapping about stabbing men and robbing people and stripping wops and stuff.
Yeah, selling booty. Well. And that's the thing that I've noticed
with my son too, is it's the opposite of what dad is is what
he wants to be doing. So he was super against it too. Back
when I was in my active addiction and now I'm not. I'm in the
recovery world. So now he's starting to flip flop to the other side,
and it's it's a difficult tightrope to walk, and it's even easier when you
have somebody so close to you that just says, well, just beat his
ass, it'll be fine. That's what I needed when I was younger.
Yeah, So what kind of cigarettes does he like? Red's Marboro's. I
taught him, right, Okay, that was this gateway drug. That's why
my cigarette. When I was like five or six, I was walking to
preschool. I said that, right, I was walking to preschool by yourself.
My brother who was in kindergarten, he was there with me. You
had the responsible one. Yeah, And my neighbor, Scott Hobson, was
like, oh, yeah, I got a cigarette and I was like,
cool, I want one, and I took a hit, cough my ass
off. I was like, that's not fun, but I tried it.
So that was my gateway drug. And then years later, but alcohol was
more my gateway drug. And I only tried weed because I was tired of
the hangovers and the shits that Red dog beer gave us. I don't know
if I ever tried red dog. Yeah, I don't even know what I
can honestly say. I started drinking before I started smoking weed. And you're
just like they're like, hey, man, like your pie heading buddies are
like this, you don't get a little like fucking hungover and stuff, and
you're like no, And then finally you're like, okay, let me try
it. You're like, well, that's cool. Then you get busted,
and back in my day when we was illegal, then you gotta go on
probation for a year. So that's why I was asking, Well, Justin
and I were talking about this yesterday, like, is it just the same
as getting caught with a pack of smokes? Like you know, for us
back in the day, it's been fifty dollars fine or something, But is
that like, what's the punishment for that now? You know, like back
in the day, he would the cops would have been involved because he's got
a marijuana pin and marijuana is legal still is federally. I guess you should
call the FBI. Yeah, get this little guy, and they'll shut my
podcast down. That's fine though, because you can always start a new one,
right, I should call it the real name. Like this guy's showing,
like this kid's showing signs of not good, just to put him away.
Now, I don't know, because like even with the other the regular
vapes and stuff, he would always down his buddies and tell him that they
were not cool when he caught them with vapes and stuff and because they were
not vaping weed. I guess, so just vaping flavored stuff. Yeah,
like why would I do that? You do that? I'm like, we
just do stuff. I do want the weed in it, right because Stephanie
likes it. And Stephanie skipschool on Friday. So my dad say, we're
doing podcasts, we're making babies. This little girlfriend lives in town, so
exactly right, Well, we live out of town. You have to figure
out a way, well only long distance babies where her older brother is going
to sell a vape pin to homeboy and make some cash on it so you
can drop a little sister off. It's kind of like pimping a little bit,
right, exactly. Yep, yep, it's exactly like pimpin'. You
know, ask him how his little wiener works, Like you know how that
works, buddy, Let me show you. You know, I would never
say it like that because, uh, I don't want to end up on
a list. Yeah, I end up on what list? The pedophile list?
Justin rolls his eyes. Yeah, it's so right. If you're already
on it, I get it, but I don't want there. I'm not
out of it. But but you have to have those talks. Right when
we have those talks, he goes, Dad, They did they talked that
to me in school? Yeah, well, they're not teaching anything else,
so they would do their job. But where did those where they DARE That's
what it was McGruff, the crime dog and all that. Would they do
that anymore? Well, they probably figured they're not effective. Yeah, nobody
knows what DARE even means anymore. I don't remember what it is. No,
drugs are really easy, right, I don't know nobod I remember the
DARE officer breaking in the case of drug paraphernalia and asking, do any of
your parents have any of this at home with the kids. Yeah, that's
how they got you. Yeah, and then they would go to your parents'
house. What your kids says, you're using illicit drugs? Well, I
remember when they came into the the tech school I was in when I was
a junior, and there we had this one kid from the public school that
was there, and every time they would they would mention a drug. He
would like under his breath, list off all of the street names for it.
Eesventually they had to be like, dude, you stop it, Bradley,
you need to stop. Well, he's smart, I mean, at
least he's telling straight names. These kids know that methodphetamines is called ice,
so they're like, oh, you want some ice. He's like, no,
that's methamphetamine. And he's like, you didn't even talk about whippets or
anything. That's what else says he tried? Did he what? Do he
tests positive for? Just the weed? Just it? Yeah, just the
weed. So that was that was an interesting experience for me too, so
because, like I said, I've only ever been on the tested side of
it, not the tester, So that was interesting. And then he leaves
the conversation. He goes, I've taken a drug test. Now, I'm
like, this isn't a write of passage, you little ship like it's serious.
He's cool, Garret straight you think that works? I I think it
would for him. That's what Justin was kind of hinting at earlier. I
think, yeah, m hmm, well if it made him stand out in
front of our building with a sign just that stupid shit like we change it
every hour. Well, you know. The sad part is though, really
our society has normalized weed so much that it's appealing to these kids. You
know, all these different flavors, babes, dabs, edibles. Now chocolate's
got weed and feuse it'll make your body tingle you No, I gotta think
twice every time I look at a gummy bear. It's terrible. I mean,
it's really sad that we've taken this industry this far and they're not educating
anybody on it because they were kids, probably wouldn't be trying it. I
don't know. I think they still their kids. And it's the way it
is because we were educating kids on it back in the day and there were
still kids. We were smoking weed. You know, I didn't smoke weed
right away, but and then it's funny the guy smoke a joint with for
the first time. He I can't even say because I don't want to get
arrested. Let's just say that I'll tell you guys off the air, But
where did he put it? You know, it's where her bricks. Now,
I don't want any he would, Yeah, you could come through the
window right now. I had an interesting situation when I was younger too where
we're part of a party bust and I they were handing out mips to everybody
involved, and I should have been charged back then with providing or whatever it
is for minors twenty one and I was the only one over twenty one and
my best friend it was his house, lied his ass off, saying no,
he just got here, he just needed a place to stay. My
girlfriend at the time was one of the ones getting an MIP, and these
cops somehow they must not have cared. But there was like good cop,
bad cop, and it was really it was. It was serious cop,
not serious cop, because the one kid looks at the cops and goes,
so, what happens, Like how much trouble do I get into when I
get an MP and the one cops who's administering it's like, you know,
you have to call the and like call the number and do that book.
The other guy goes, well, when I got mine, it was only
like a hundred bucks, and that's about it don't matter, and the other
guy and the one cop look he looks at him, He's like, seriously,
dude, shut up. I still remember the first joint I ever smoked.
I just started my freshman year of high school in a new town and
I was a cigarette smoker at the time. So I walked in. They're
like, oh, new kid, you want to go smoke. I didn't
know what to talk about. I figure cigarettes, and I was like sure.
We went out to the dugout at the baseball field and we proceeded to
smoke a joint and I didn't know what the hell it was at first.
Cool story, bro, I know it wasn't it. Yeah, that's a
very cool story. And so now your kid's gonna listen to this podcast and
go well, Justin was talking about remembering his first time. Corey said he
smoked your Joy with somebody who he came to say his name or his job.
Were come busting through the windows at the office here. That's how badass
that guy is. And uh, they're just fine, he's never gonna listen
to this. You used to guarantee you used to smoke weed, dad,
Yeah, Like, how can you judge me for that? Dad just doing
the same stuff you did. You know, me and my daughters had this
conversation. And because she's like thirteen and a half, she's been caught with
a vape last year in school nicktine vape. I was like, you know,
it starts out simple and small, and it just progressively gets worse over
time. I was like, you know, it could be a couple months
from now, it could be a couple of years from now. You're gonna
end up doing stuff you would have never thought you were gonna do and spiral
out of control. Some grandkids. Yeah, it's just so much. Him
and I had a really transparent talk about I mean, at least on my
side of things. It was talk about addiction. And I don't like the
genetically predisposed thing, but I do know that it is a factor, and
I just, you know, I had to talk to him about it,
like, you know, you come from me and I've had addiction issues.
Your grandfather, my father had addiction issues. Both of your great grandparents on
my side of the family have had addiction issues. I'm like, I know,
your mother isn't great with stuff like that, and your grandmother on that
side isn't great with stuff like that, and you have to be super and
this is none of the stuff with stuff that my parents talked to me about.
We got walls and said don't do this. And if there was ever
a y involved, it was because I told you so, it's not good,
don't do it. There was never a reason or a lesson or anything
taught about it. So I wanted to really actually talk to him about more.
I'm worried about it. And do you remember a couple of years ago
and what I was going through And I'm like, yeah, that's not weed,
But do you remember when we lived with Grandpa that was partially weed,
you know, And and it can get really really serious. And it started
for us when we were young. You know. I was a little bit
older than he was, but my dad was younger than he is when he
started. And like, it holds on to you, dude, that my
son was God Like They're like, she shouldn't have happened like it. I
don't know how, you know what I mean, Like, but his dad
didn't have that conversation with him either, No evident And now there are actually
recovery groups where they smoke weed and a lot of people call it California sober.
Yeah, so Dad, like you could do the whole age thing.
I guess, I don't know, Like there's wet houses, you know.
Oh yeah, people come over here and drink, and people say they're in
recovery. Some people do. Remember that louder Milk episode or out of town
justin crack your knuckles again, just break your face. That feel better?
Yeah, okay, just forget about that microphone. It doesn't pick up noises
or anything. So, yeah, louder Milk or whatever. They were out
of town and they go to they hit a couple of meetings. In one
of them, they're just a bunch of people drinking with each other. They
start talking about the whole recovery. Is this state of mind or whatever?
You can't you know just because I'm basically it was talking about being in the
middle of a relapse and he's drinking Martini in the middle of and I think
it was a jab at stuff like that is what they were getting at the
in the TV show. And I have a little brain here from pine Rest.
It's a little what do they call these stress balls, But it's a
brain. This is your brain, and this is my brain, and this
is my brain I weed, and my brain will say not good enough.
You need the alcohol, right, Yeah, you go back to and I
don't know if I've talked about it on this podcast, but I talk about
it next door when I talk at the detox Is. I compare it to
ice cream. If I just came up and I was like, hey,
Mitch, hey, justin here's an ice cream cone. It's delicious, and
you guys eat it and you're like, damn, that's pretty good. I
like it. And then you come back and me and you have another ice
cream cone. The next week and you see me and I'm eating a turtle
blizzard. You guys are like, what is that. I'm like, oh
man, this is a turtle blizzard. You can't have. This is so
much better than the ice cream cone, you know, but this ice cream
cone is the shit. I'm like, well here, just here, I
give you guys, like a little mini turtle Sundays, you know, or
a little mini turtle Blizzards. You guys go to town a light, You're
like, fuck, that's so much better than the ice cream cone. That's
awesome. Then the next week you come back and I hand you an ice
cream cone. You're gonna look at me like, no, I want the
turtle blizzard and give me up that size. Okay, they give me a
medium, They're like, man, I eat that medium so quick. The
next week you come back and you're like, give me a large. Next
thing, you know, you're three hundred pound bitching about contrave and he's just
trying to lose some weight. And you realize, maybe I just don't eat
so much. I don't know, Yeah, just stop eating. But it's
the same thing to me, you know. And that's what it is for
me. And sure, I could go smoke weed, and well that means
I'm not in recovery the way I look at recovery yet would And I know
for a fact because I've tried it. I cannot just smoke weed. I
just can't. My brain has already progressed to the turtle blizzard, right.
I cannot just go back to the cone. Another thing I've noticed in my
family is every other generation it's a different substance. And for my kid,
I'm not saying there's a problem. This is a one time thing that's happened
so far. I'm trying to keep it at that. But it's THCHC weed,
marijuana. Me it was alcohol. My dad was more weed marijuana.
I mean he had issue with alcohol too, but his biggest one was the
weed. His dad was all alcohol. So it's weird. It like slinkies
back and forth. Just seen it coming as your son told you about his
porn addiction. Uh no, but it won't surprise me either because pretty much
every me and every one of my brothers have dealt with that too. See.
And that's something that's scary. And I'm not just kidding when I say
that, because it is scary because they say it just it really desensitizes.
He destroys your ability for any kind of actual intimacy. Yeah, and when
you get a girl, you can't be like, oh, go grab your
three friends and go jump in the dryer, you know, like I'm gonna
get you out of there. It's the thing I think. Justin and I
he's laughing, He's like, yeah, they're getting stuck in drivers. It's
so stupid. I thought I had been to most other corners of the internet.
I haven't seen that one. Yeah, I heard the comedian talking about
it. Who went and saw that. Ye. Shout out to Mary Santora,
Yeah, shout out to her. She's funny, but that's what she
was saying, you know, So it makes it hard for them kids to
understand intimacy or whatever. And back when I was sneaking playboys, you know,
when I was a kid, Playboy is way different. You see in
the lady parts, you know, but to see full blown, like just
two clicks of your phone and you got it. He's probably sitting in the
same room with you, just watching all kinds of dryers getting stuck and washing
machines, and it's like, yeah, it's not even are you okay a
little flush? Just laughing? Man, you don't even need to see it.
You just have to come right in. I'm very sneaky about it.
You'll be talking to someone and I'll just come in, sit at my desk
and just bust went out real quick. Yeah. Yeah, And that's why
I don't clean in the Recovery Coaches office anymore. Be careful. It's just
and that's all. Part of it goes back to me being worried about Parker
and I see what you guys are coming through, and I'm just like,
what the hell do I let him out of the house? Ever? Well,
see, and I've seen the flip side of the coin is I was
so sheltered that I figured out how to get to the porn stuff and just
made it happen. And when I got out from underneath that shelter umbrella,
that's when as soon as a substance was handed to me, it's like I
had to try it, and especially if it was one that was talking to
me about not doing it, and then there was nothing else explain to me
about it, like no, it's bad, Well why because they said so,
okay, well let me go find out why. Yeah, and now
you can't stop me, and it just it snowball. See I lived in
very unsheltered life and I still ended up horribly. Yeah, it ends up
that you're gonna have to learn for yourself no matter what I mean, you
can try life. That's how we do it, right, I mean,
you could try to the best of your ability. But I don't believe in
sheltering someone's gonna make him any better in life than just telling him the way
life is and s. When I was in fourth grade, I sold a
bag of salt to my neighbor and told me this cocaine, and I told
me he had to do a little bit in front of me. So I
knew that he wasn't a cop, and he did and he started crying and
he ran home. He was so pissed off because he made him do drugs
or because it was solid. I guess it burned. I guess it burned
like an mfort. Yeah. Why he wouldn't taste it, I don't know.
And if he would have had have been like does what tastes like?
Got it from my stepbrother? But like what if like we sent kids down
and like the pure stuff is like it's just it's really just salt to try
some drugs sugar, yeah, and then you just give them vinegar. This
is what a beer tastes like, you know, like why would you drink
that? But that's not far off. You know, here's marijuana. It's
already nasty. It makes you feel and like give them some uh was that
something cleans out? Give them some laxatives? Here you go, it's a
marijuana. It's a gummy eat it. It's a little those chocolate laxative pills
on like a muffin. Yeah, because that's he's sitting there not really give
them weed and listen to smoke, you know, and they's like, I
want some gummies here you go, or you want someone some snacks here.
That's the weed. That's what that does do. It makes you ship your
brains out. And he'd be at school telling all his friends like, man,
the beer tastes so nasty, and his friend's be like, no,
I do, it's awesomely what's wrong with you? Like I've even snorted a
cocaine. That shit burns. Then we oh my God, make shit that's
on the toilet for twenty five minutes, just praying for Jesus make it stop.
Just when to stop? It's just like load to ask some more toilet
paper and everything. I'll never do it again, I don't know, at
least not from your dad. Maybe I should put all that all like a
grant and be like, this is how we're gonna we want to talk to
the schools. This is what we're gonna do. Taste test Friday. Wow.
Marty's like, this is why we don't get people donating to us because
all that stuff you say on the podcast. I'm even joking, but they
don't think it's funny. Oh, we're having fun and recovery today and this
topic is serious. Absolutely, But I don't know the answers, and you
guys don't either. But we're just going through life trying to figure it out
the best we can. But that's a tough one, Mitch. Yeah.
I mean we're surviving and getting past it. So do you know the best
we can? I can tell you that I'm dealing with it a lot better
than I would have four years ago, you know, So does somebody else
deal with it? As long as I have a bottle in my hand and
I don't. I've been talking about reflection a lot lately because I've been finding
little things that remind me of that time in my life, and I just
keep going back to you. I'm so glad I don't have to live my
life that way again. I really hope I don't have to watch my son
live a life that way. So I've just been trying to have like meaningful
conversations with them because it's never something I got. Ever, there was always
a just don't do this, it's bad because I said so and did That
didn't work for me, so I try something different. He's going to live
his life. Hope he learns, and hopefully he never meets Justin's daughter because
be a little Hellians together and then you guys would be family some kind of
way. I think no, gotcha ass All right, Well, guys,
thanks for coming in and hanging out with me on the podcast today. I
appreciate it. And it's such a really good topic. And we yeah,
we laughed, we had some fun. But on the serious side, yeah,
it is a serious topic. And you know, like I said,
there's no absolute this is the answer. No, deflect all of your issues
under your employee. That's what we learned today. Blame the X Wow.
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