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Pryce Atkinson, Steve Carney and Mike Loveall Happy belated Thanksgiving to you and
everybody tuning in this week. I hope you all celebrated a what was hopefully
a fun blessed holiday week Thanksgiving weekend last week. We're down to just one
more regular season weekend coming up, and it's another big one with a lot
on the line. But first we've got you covered with a pair of games
to break down from last weekend. Our Travis Manian Foundation, hon a Roll
plus Air Force beat writer from the Colorado Springs Gazette Brent Brigaman's gonna join us
to break down the Falcons regular season. But he is Steve Carney and I
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Navy and Air Force. That is what we do here. Steve,
what is going on? I hope you guys had a awesome feast week filled
with lots of college football, lots of college basketball, NFL hockey, everything.
It is big time sports season with everything colliding all at once. Yeah,
it really is. And we had a really good Thanksgiving Day. Thankfully,
I didn't have to work Thanksgiving Day. This is the first time in
a while that that hasn't happened, because usually I've got a college basketball game
here or there, or you know, an NFL game or whatever. But
I got to be completely with my family for all of Thanksgiving Day. That
was That was fantastic, with some some hockey interspersed bookending the Thanksgiving Day holiday,
but it was It was a great weekend for me personally. Wasn't so
great unfortunately for the service academies on the gridiron, and I know that we're
going to get into that here in just a moment. But it was great
for me. How is yours? It was great. It was a little
chilly at the beach, but it was good to get away and you know,
some have some family time away from the homestead and you know, everybody
getting out of school for the week, so you know, kind of make
that last big push here before we get to the bigger holidays, well not
bigger, but you know, Christmas season. It is now officially here.
We can stop the debate. Like I feel like, correct me if I'm
wrong, Steven, but I feel like that the debate has raged higher,
hotter than ever this year the last few weeks about you know, the you
know Christmas decoration thing before Thanksgiving, you know, waiting till afterwards. I
feel like that that debate has just been more top of mind discussed everywhere this
year. Am I wrong? No? I certainly feel like everybody has been
asking, you know, when is too early to put up your Christmas decorations?
And it seems like the debate has gotten more and more heated as we've
gone on here, and this year it's been it's been hotter than ever because
it seems like there are so many polarizing people that feel like, oh,
no, Christmas decorations are fine to go up sometime in October as most people
see what card shops are doing nowadays, where it seems like right after the
fourth of July you start seeing Christmas cards being put out on the shelves and
it's like, wait a minute, hold on a second, but I agree
with you. It seems like every year it gets more and more heated that
people go, no, we've got to have Christmas decorations up now, now
now, But now it's perfectly fine. You want to start the Christmas music,
you know, once we get past Thanksgiving, if you want to start
playing Christmas music in your work, you want to start playing Christmas music in
your car, that's all well and good. Now now is the time to
do it. Enjoy your time. There are plenty of radio stations that flip
their formats specifically now to play Christmas music, and hopefully you're taking advantage of
it. Well, it is officially tis the season now, so game on
when it comes to Christmas decorations, Christmas music, all of that stuff.
I'm ready for it. I'm sure you're probably ready for it. But tis
the season for the college football postseason that is coming up this weekend, but
not for us. We've got one more, obviously big regular season game that
is the Army Navy Game presented by USAA. That's Saturday, December the ninth,
But we got a whole lot before that, we do, Steve,
because next week we will have our Army Navy preview show. We'll talk to
guests on both the Army and Navy sides of things to break down that matchup
and get you ready for that game. But we have got games from last
weekend that we've got a breakdown, Navy and Air Force both in action last
Saturday or last weekend Friday and Saturday. We obviously had Army that was off
as they prepare for the Army Navy game. But let's talk about the two
games that we had last weekend, Steve. Let's start on Friday. On
Black Friday, Air Force playing for a spot in the Mountain West Conference championship
game for the first time in school history. But the Falcons they come up
short on the road on the Smurf Turn, falling to Boise State twenty seven
to nineteen, air Force dropping to eight and four overall, five and three
in the Mountain West, Boise State seven and five, but six and two
in the league. Air Force losing four straight to end the regular season.
After that outstanding eight no start, but that big one that came at the
end, still having a shot to play for the conference championship game, it
was not to be, as the Broncos led wire to wire the San Jose
State Spartans they get a win over UNLV also over the weekend, creating the
three way tie atop the Mountain West Conference standings, but the computer tie breaker
between UNLV, San Jose State and Boise State it spits out UNLV and Boise
State as the top two teams. So they will meet for the Mountain West
Championship on Saturday at three pm at Allegiance Stadium in Las Vegas. So we
know who's playing for it. But back to the game. Ashton genty from
the Boise State Bronco is one hundred and seven yards on the ground one hundred
and eighteen receiving, leading the way as he was the first Bronco player to
go over one hundred rushing and passing since October twenty sixteen. As I mentioned,
you know, while they did go wire to wire, Steve, this
game was not put out of reach until really the end when Air Force quarterback
John Bouche He was intercepted around midfield with just seconds left. That finally ended
the threat in Boise State marches on to the championship game while Air Force licking
its wounds, ending the season losing four straight. Yeah, Price, I
certainly think that you know when you look at what Air Force or what they
didn't do, especially in the second half, they had their They had plenty
of opportunities in this game. You think about it, there were only eight
drives in the first half of this game, and there were let me see
here, two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve thirteen drives
not counting the kneel down at the end of the game by Boise State.
So you had plenty of opportunity if you were Air Force, and they got
they got the good two for one at the end of the half, they
got the field goal to make it seventeen to six, and then went down
and scored a touchdown and unfortunately tried to go for two and it failed,
so it ends up being seventeen twelve instead of seventeen fourteen at that point.
And then Boise goes down and scores a touchdown on their first drive of the
second half. At that point, you know, I really thought that Air
Force had still had an opportunity. You saw them intercept you saw them intercept
Taylor Green, you know, on on Boise's next drive. They end up
taking that interception that turnover and turned it into seven points. And at that
point you're thinking, all right, they've got an opportunity here. It's twenty
four to nineteen at that point in the third quarter. You know, so
you still have the entire fourth quarter plus the couple of minutes that are left
in the third, and it's a one score game. Unfortunately, from that
point on, Air Force's offense was three and out, four in out out.
Then they they turn the ball over on downs uh, just outside of
Boise's red zone. Uh. And then the the interception at the very end
of the game. UH. At this so at that point, you just
gotta you just gotta shake your head and say the the offense did not do
their job in the in the second half after that touchdown, they almost got
out rushed by Boise. Uh. They they outrushed them two oh six to
one one uh, and they were minus one in the turnover because of the
last second interception. You know. That's that's all things that if you're a
service academy and you want to play in a conference championship game, you have
to do and they weren't able to do it. Mm hmm. Third down
another big key, Boise State converting five to ten fifty while Air Forces was
just five of fourteen. Just you know, over not quite forty percent,
So you know, you gotta keep those chains moving, especially when it comes
to service Academy teams on third down. You know, we know that Zach
Larrier you mentioned, you know, he not available, did not play.
Manualchell did return, but Michelle with just six carries for fourteen yards, largely
ineffective. A bright spot for air Force was sophomore Dylan Carson, the running
back, going over one hundred yards again for the second to straight game,
a career high one thirty two on twelve carries. Averaged eleven yards a carry
in this one. So obviously that was a bright spot. But you know,
Ben Britton, you know both Ben Britton, John Bouche, they get
you know, see action. But it was Buche going most of the way,
you know at quarterback eight to seventeen, one thirty one, you know,
through that pick late, but you know, in the end, it
just was not to be. And I know we're going to talk with Brent
Brighaman in a little bit, but you know, no doubt about it.
A disappointing way to finish the season with a four straight loss, you know,
while still having that chance to play for a conference championship. I'm really
interested to talk with Brent to get his take on just what exactly went wrong.
Steve, Yeah, I think I think more importantly of what went wrong
is what is what is Troy Calhoun going to do about fixing it for next
year. I know that, you know, when we start talking about twenty
twenty four, it's going to be a totally different team than what you see
this year with all the seniors that are graduating, all the important seniors that
are are not going to play another down for the Falcons in twenty twenty four.
But I am kind of curious to see what he feels that the coaching
staff is going to have to do to try and make sure that this Falcons
team doesn't slump at the end of the year. You know, this is
this is not something that you want to see when when you go from being
you know, in the conversation for a New Year's six Bowl game, to
not even playing for your conference championship and now having to think that, Okay,
we're going to play in the in the Armed Forces Bowl in Detroit now
again this year. That's a disappointing finish for this Falcons team. And I
think that the coaching staff is going to have to figure out what they need
to do to take that next step. Mm hmm, yeah, no doubt
about it is air Force. They fall again to Boise State twenty seven to
nineteen, air Force eight and four, five and three to finish the regular
season. All right, let's pivot to the Midshipman, our other game,
this one going down on Saturday. They hit the road to take on number
twenty five SMU in Dallas and Navy with a shot to get Bowl eligible if
they could somehow pull off a shock or slow down that high powered SMU offense
chance to get Bowl eligible before the Army Navy game coming up on December the
ninth. That's key. Why well, because those bull bids come out before
that Army Navy game, So regardless of getting a six win, that will
not be the case. Is SMU all over steamrolling the Midshipman from start to
finish fifty nine to fourteen. On Saturday, SMU now ten and two overall,
eight to zero in the American Navy, falling to five and six four
and four in the American Athletic as Navy or excuse me, as SMU books
their spot into the American Athletic Conference championship game this coming Saturday against Tulane,
likely potentially the winner of that game getting the Group of five automatic spot there
in the new year six. Will it be tou Lane, Will it be
SMU. We'll find out this coming weekend. But Navy does fall fifty nine
to fourteen, and Steve, you know, if you looked up and saw
the score at halftime of this game, you very well might have thought this
was a final score. But it was fifty two to fourteen at the half,
and it was all se Offensively, the Mustangs could do no wrong as
the Mids, you know, they came into the game on a two game
winning streak, but it came to a screeching hauled as they went down twenty
eight to nothing with you know, less than two minutes left in the first
quarter. As SMU used four drives, none more than two minutes and eight
seconds. It took only twenty one plays to put up twenty eight points on
the scoreboard. SMU quarterback Preston Stone. He did go down with an injury
with six minutes left in the first half when he was sacked, but before
he left in the game, he threw three touchdowns was fourteen to nineteen for
three hundred and twenty two yards. Heck, if he had not even got
hurt, Steve, he may have thrown for six hundred plus. But all
of stone touchdown passes did come in the first quarter, when he threw for
two seventy five, the most in a single quarter by an FBS quarterback this
season. And you know, in the process, the Mustangs became the first
FBS team this season to a mass over three hundred yards in the first quarter
of the game. It was games match from the moment this thing kicked off.
Stephen, Yeah, it certainly seemed that way. And the fact is
that Navy's best chance to try and get back into this game came at the
very beginning of the second quarter. They had just gone down, they had
just scored a touchdown to make it twenty eight to seven. They get they
force Smu to punt, and unfortunately, the punt goes through Amina Hassan,
the punt returner's arms, without touching him. It goes between his legs without
touching him, and then hits his towel on his butt and for a muffed
punt, which was then recovered by the long snapper will bent in the end
zone, and at that point you just saw any sort of win that was
going to get into the sales of the midship and go right out the door.
And so at that point I kind of was like, all right,
I gotta turn this game off because it's just gonna get uglier from here.
And it certainly did. You know, as you mentioned fifty to fourteen at
halftime. You know, I look at what Navy was able to do after
Preston Stone was injured, and you look at it the Mustang's offense. You
know, the Mustangs took their foot off the gas. They was there was
no longer pony expressed two point zero uh once. When Stone got injured,
they certainly got much more conservative on their on their run and on their offensive
play calling. They had just the two drives that for scores. After the
injury. You saw the field goal at the end of the first half that
made it fifty to fourteen, and then the pick six in the middle of
the third quarter. After that they got really really conservative, and for good
reason, they really didn't need to do much afterwards. But yeah, that
first half shows you why SMU is leaving the American Athletic Conference and going to
the ACC next year. Yeah, it was a big time effort by the
SMU offense. And it wasn't you know, this wasn't just a one off
thing. Obviously, clearly they have been very, very good all year and
route to going eight to zero in the American and you know, going to
be a handful in the in the ACC next year. But you know,
back to this game, you know, maybe had you know, several players
leave with injuries. They were pretty thin at wide receiver going into the game.
But Xavier Arline, starting quarterback, he got banged up, injured his
ankle, tried to come back in but you know, really was ineffective and
couldn't continue. So Braxton Woodson, the freshman taking over, and you know,
came in in the second quarter and did a solid job one hundred nineteen
yards rushing, you know through for seventy one. But you know, that
pick six there in the second half, that was all the scoring that the
game saw was the SMU pick six with about nine minutes left in the third
quarter for the game's final margin. But you know, at this point,
obviously if your Navy, you got to just flush this one away. You've
got the one obviously the biggest one of the season, really at this point,
the only game of the season, and that's not even sugarcoating it.
It is the last regular season game, possibly their last game up twenty twenty
three against Army. You've got to get rid of this, you know,
taste in your mouth. Get back to the practice field this week, as
you now have two weeks to get ready for Army after the lost SMU.
Yeah, and that's the one saving grace that the midshipmen have is now,
Okay, you can flush this one. This one is easy to flush.
And I still think that you can. You can take a little bit of
sauce out of the fact that in the second half you had SMU go three
and out, three and out, three and out, four and out,
three and out. Yes, with their backup quarterback in with their foot off
the gas. But they they that I think can give a defense a little
bit of a uh of a philosophical chess puffin. Okay, you know we're
gonna be okay after this, and and whatever we see from Army in two
weeks is not gonna be nearly as bad as what we just experienced in the
first half of this game. So I really do like the fact that you
get a couple of weeks in order to kind of just decompress. You can
take a day or two and just go, Okay, get it out of
your head. Don't worry. You know, when you can take you see
this this film, the you know this video here, you click it and
put it right in the recycle bank. You don't have to worry about that
one. Let's let's let's focus on what we're doing well. Let's focus on
getting uh, you know, some of these guys that got banged up in
this game healthy. Having that extra week is gonna be huge, uh for
that. And and I really do think that this is this is the perfect
situation for Navy to to let their mindset which and be and be ready to
go for Army here a week from Saturday at Gillette Stadium. I am kind
of curious, as we're taping this before bull bids have been announced, there
were not eighty two teams that got to six wins in order to fill out
the entire bull schedule price, So I am kind of curious. Do you
think that either Army or Navy gets invited to a bull bid despite both of
them only being five win teams. I think I think they both have a
really good shot. Well, you know that APR is always going to be
in an academy's favor, you know, and that's one of the things obviously
that's used. We know that, you know, James Madison and Jacksonville State,
I believe because of Clemson defeating South Carolina and the South Carolina game cock
to not getting to bowl eligibility on Saturday night last week, and that opened
the door and got JMU and Jacksonville State in. I've got to look and
see what the other numbers are in terms of spots that are available. But
what I can tell you is that every single set of bowl projections that I've
looked at, all the ones that I typically start glancing at this time of
year, none of them had Army and Navy slotted in a bowl game.
Air Force was the only one. And we will go through those, you
know. Toward the end of the podcast here was we let you know kind
of where you know, a lot of different folks feel like the Falcons are
going to land in terms of you know, postseason bold destination. But I
have not seen Army and Navy listed anywhere. Is it possible. I just
got to see the numbers because I'm not sure in terms of what we have
left in Bowl eligible teams if there is going to be a possibility for them,
I think that is the question. So I just got to see the
numbers. But if it comes down to if it comes down to, certainly
APR the Service academies are always going to be usually at the very top of
that list. Let's look at our game balls this week, Steve, which
way you want to go with your game balls? We obviously had two games,
had to search a little bit. I think this week, which way
you want to go with yours? Yeah, I think it's going to be
definitely a weird week for game ball's. Mine is going to go to SMU
quarterback Priston Stone. I mean, he had just an incredible He had an
incredible game for the time that he was in fourteen of nineteen, three hundred
and twenty two yards and three touchdowns and he only played seven what was it,
twenty two minutes of game time in this game, so you can only
imagine what his numbers, as you mentioned earlier, what he would have done
if he had played the full game. And I was joking before we started
recording this podcast that we were going to be talking about. Preston Stone through
for seven hundred and sixty yards and twelve touchdown as Navy became the first team
to give up more than more than one hundred points in a game since nineteen
thirty six or something, you know, something crazy like that, because SMU
was on its way to scoring one hundred points in this game, and it
was it was just absolutely wild to see what Preston Stone was able to do
in his limited times. So at the SMU quarterback does get my game balls
the first time this year that I have not given a game ball to someone
from a service academy. Well, I had to search a little bit too,
and had to got to you know, look to find one, and
didn't want to go double opponents on our game ball. So I'm gonna go
with Navy punter junior Riley Reithman, who was I guys, no doubt about,
I guess the star for Navy in that game against SMU. He averaged
fifty d point eight yards a punt kicked at ten times in the game.
For the season, the junior out of Keller, Texas ranks twenty first in
the country. At forty four point eight yards per punt. If you're scoring
at home. Yeah, if you follow college football, you know that the
Iowa Hawk Eyes that probably punted more than anybody. Well, trivia question,
can you name the team and player who is punted the second most times in
America this season? Well, if you guess Navy and Riley Rithman, you
would be correct. He's second with seventy five punts behind Iowa's. I believe
it was seventy nine total punts. So there is your answer to a little
trivia this week. But Navy punter junior Riley Rithman getting my game ball?
All right? We got a lot more to do, Steven. We got
a Brent Brighaman the guest coming up the Air Force beat Rid for the Colorado
Springs Gazette. Gonna talk Bold Destination, Air Force, everything going on with
the Air Force Falcons, including what happened this season after the eight and no
start, the four straight losses. We're going to get into all that with
Brent here coming up in the next segment. We got our Travis Manyon Foundation
on a roll segment as well to do, honoring a fallen hero that has
given the ultimate sacrifice. We got a lot of news postseason news and notes
to pass along and give you some the Bowl projections where Air Force could land
and then touch quickly. On the Army Navy game coming up on Saturday,
December the ninth, we will do that coming up here on this edition of
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Air Force on Yards and Stripes Service Academy Football. All right, welcome back
into the Yards and Stripes as we continue on, and we're going to talk
to some Air Force Falcon football as the finishing touches have fortunately or maybe unfortunately
in this situation, have come to an end. The Falcons obviously start eight
and oh get to number seventeen in the country, find themselves in the college
football playoff rankings for the first time, and this came to a screeching halt.
Brent as we're joined by the beat writer for the Falcons for the Colorado
Springs Gazette, Brent Brigaman. You can follow him on Twitter at Brent Brigaman.
Brent eight. No start, you know, then finishing with four straight
losses. I mean, I don't think there's anybody that would raise a hand
right now to say them they saw this finishing or playing out the way it
did. But I guess really the question that you know a lot of people
are asking is, you know, you cover the team on a daily basis,
what happened? I mean, did the Army loss beat them not just
once but four times. Just how did we get to this point? I
mean that was a big part of it, you know. And like I
said, uf Air, you know, I think they had such a good
season going. It's you know, it's very I'd like in it very much
to a golfer who's got their best round ever going and then they stumbled,
get a trouble bogie and everything changes. Your focus changes, everything changes.
But I think more than that, I think this team was so built around
its quarterback. And they had Zach Lerrier, who early in the season was
really really good. Then he got hurt against Wyoming and he was never the
same and they stuck with him. So obviously internally they felt like, you
know, maybe sixty seventy percent of Zach Larrier was better than anything else they
had on the roster, and that speaks to speaks to what else they had
at the position, And ultimately we kind of saw that once the other quarterbacks
started playing. They had three different starters over the last three games. You
know, that's one position at air Force where you have to have stability,
You have to have a weapon with either speed or a great arm. Usually
speed. Once Zack Larrier, who's a track champion in the Mountain West.
I mean, that's as good as speed as they've ever had of that position.
Once he was lessened and then ultimately removed, they just didn't have that
quarterback play. So you take that away, and you know, you look
at the schedule. They didn't play a lot of difficult teams early in the
season. The one they did play early with San Jose State, and at
that point San Jose State hadn't become what they ultimately became. And even they
led twenty to ten over the Falcons and before the running just overwhelmed them.
So they hadn't played much. They lost their quarterback. They you know,
they saw the bottom drop out of what had been a historic start. I
think all those things kind of played into what we saw snowball yep. And
it's funny that was part of their schedules. You know, they finished with
UNLV and Boise State, who are going to play for the conference championship,
and Army who knows him extremely well and why he won three of us last
four, So so many things went into that. Yeah, And to keep
the golf reference going with when you lose Zach Larrier, It's like taking your
driver out of the bag. So now you don't have maybe your best club,
and now you found you find yourself in that big trouble. I'm curious,
Brent, outside of Larrier, how much did they miss Emmanuel Michelle being
healthy at the end as well. I don't think that was as big a
factor. I've seen air Force cycle through different fullbacks and running backs, especially
with the production they got out of Dylan Carson, the sophomore. He was
really really good. I do it was big in that they didn't have a
lot of other weapons at other positions step up to where you know, they
needed to lean on the fullback and so taking away their you know, their
most proven one was a big deal because you know, the flot receiver position
because Dame Kineman was hurt sporadically throughout the season, you know, that position
really developed. So again, once you're kind of taking away effectiveness of that
attack, then teams are able to game plan a little easier. So I
think it was a big deal because obviously he's been around. He's what thirteen
hundred career rushing year or something in that range. But again, the production
they got out of Delan Carson was was more than adequate. Yeah, As
we continue with Brent Brighaman and the beat Rid for the Falcons covers the Falcons
for the Colorado Springs Gazette again, follow him on Twitter at Brent Brigaman and
Brent you know, we obviously know you know a lot of seniors are going
to be gone. You know, where does air force go from here?
Getting ready for bowl game? Obviously we'll find that out this weekend. What
that destination will be. I'm not sure what kind of pulse and things you're
hearing in terms of old destination, But you know, what do you think
in terms of you know, changes we might see between now in the bowl
game and and obviously staff changes. A lot of these guys have been with
Troy Calhoun for a long time, including we obviously know Mike Theeson offensive coordinator,
a stalwart on the staff played there. What do you kind of what
are you hearing? What do you think we might see in terms of personnel
changes, staff changes as we move along here into what kind of becomes the
silly season, a transfer portal, you know, ourn earlier signing period than
ever, coaches moving around, that kind of thing. You know, I'm
not really hearing anything in terms of staff movement at Troy Calhoun. You know,
we all we all joke about his demeanor and public and the handles media,
and it's all by design, you know, when you talk to him
off the record in the few opportunities you get, you know, he's a
genuinely good guy and the people who work for him feel that way. You
know, he takes care of his employees. Coaches like to work with him,
and you know, you look at the staff and there's so many Air
Force grads. A lot of them aren't particularly young anymore, you know,
I mean some of them are Alex me. You know, they've got a
few. But I think I think especially the older guys, you know,
the Brian Nor defensive coordinator, Mike Theesen, they understand that there's not a
lot of better positions out there. You know. Air Force, Yes,
they recruit the heck out of the entire country, but they don't have to
worry about picking guys out of the transfer portal. They're not recruiting other colleges.
Juco's all of that. So I think as the workload goes up for
coaches around the nation, it hasn't really gone up for Air Force and they
can. If anything, their recruiting is getting easier. You know, I
say that easier. It's not really easy ever, but they're not. The
pool of high school talent is getting a little bit deeper because so many teams
are replenishing through the portal and so, you know, whereas Air Force used
to they always had to find a specific type of kid within a pretty shallow
pool, well they're still finding the kid, but the pool is a little
bit a little bit bigger. So I don't think people are gonna jump ship
for just for the sake of jumping ship, you know, obviously, like
some of the younger guys or even some of the bigger guy older guys.
You know, if the big time money is out there, which you know,
if any Power five, you could be a position coach in the Power
five and you're going to make more than a coordinator sometimes even a head coach
at a at a group of five type programs. So the money is always
going to be variable. But I don't think they're going to leave because of
the finish or because of any kind of unhappiness. I think if anything,
is just going to be a you know, bettering their own position and in
terms of the roster, that is such a mystery. They clearly went they
went all in on the season. They played almost exclusively seniors. You know,
it's very few positions where there were not seniors out there. So I
do think, just you know, because I cover recruiting, I've been here
long enough to see the number of stars next to names. I know that
coaches say that doesn't matter, but it's obviously indicative of what kind of talent
you're getting compared to other teams. And in that way, Air Force's recruiting
classes have consistently gone up, and so that tells me they've got this senior
class. And a lot of these guys were fifth year seniors because they took
turnbacks at some point in their career, especially during the twenty twenty COVID season
when the Mountain West had announced they were not gonna have a season, so
a lot of guys left and then came back, so preserving eligibility for one
year. So they had this backlog of seniors that came through this year,
and behind them we have all those recruiting classes that were full of three stars,
and by all accounts, there's a lot of talent there. But they
don't have any experience. So next year is going to be such a a
mystery. You know, it's gonna be fun to see who they replenish with,
but there's gonna be growing pains, There's just no question about it.
Yeah, Brent, do you think do you think twenty twenty four it helps
those young, inexperienced players because the schedule and I pulled the schedule up here
taking a look. Really, the one tough matchup they have is early.
I believe they go to Baylor in twenty twenty four. So does that help
those guys because you're gonna have almost a similar schedule to what they saw this
year. Well, fine to find easy schedule or you know, because obviously
everybody plays all but I'm saying that it's not like they're playing Alabama. They're
not playing Alabama. You know, here here in Tampa, we've played Alabama
this year. So, but a trip to Baylor is about as difficult as
the Air Force generally will see because they also play on and you know,
Army was not supposed to be a difficult game this year, and we all
saw what happened there. And then it sounds like either Oregon State or Washington
State could pop onto the schedule once this scheduling agreement gets worked out with back
twelve and they have, you know, the full regular Mountain West schedule,
and who knows. You know, we nobody saw UNLV coming, so who
knows who's going to be coming next year as these new hires are taking place.
So yeah, I mean, it's not nearly as easy as this year's
schedule was when the non conference was Army Navy plus a trip to sam Houston
State, which was in its first year as an FCS program or FBS program,
and the granted that was that was because New Mexico State had joined the
conference and dropped off the schedule, and then, as it turns out,
New Mexico State gets into the top twenty five. So yeah, I mean,
I think it's difficult enough by Air Force standard schedule that you're not going
to see much of a this year's schedule would have been better for the next
for next year than next year's schedule will be. But you know, we'll
see, and you know, air Force is just so reliant on strong quarterback
play that if they find their guy, you know, you can spackle over
a lot of holes when you've got a good quarterback at air Force and they
can. You know, it just makes up for so many things. So
if they find that guy, then I think everything will quickly fall into place.
But if they start the season the way they're finishing this where they don't
have a quarterback, it's it's going to be more same. You mentioned Oregon
State and Washington State with the with the PAC twelve. You're a hell of
a lot closer being there than we are here on the East coast. What
are you hearing about the collaboration or whatever you may you may think that may
go on between Oregon State, Washington State, and the Mount West the West
Mount West Conference. Could there be something long term between the two? I
mean, I think I don't know anything beyond what has been reported nationally.
I would be stunned if those two schools gave up their fight to remain something
more than a group of five. I don't think they're just gonna wave the
white flag and join the Mountain West until that is absolutely the last case scenario,
because the money is just so completely different. When you're talking about twenties
or thirties and millions of dollars in media payouts for the past for the power
five versus you know, five to seven generally for the group of five.
I mean that's a lot of employees, a lot, a lot of people
relying on that money. So I don't think it's just going to be a
simple uh well, you know, we don't have a home, so we're
going to join the Mountain West situation until like I said, it absolutely has
to be. But in the interim, it sounds like they're going to play
it's will a schedule, so it sounds like they're going to play these Mountain
West teams and uh and then bring some money with them. So of course
mount West going to welcome that with open arms. It'll improve the schedules,
you know, make for an interesting draw and all that. But long term,
I don't, I don't know what's going to happen. Obviously, those
schools want to find a home in an established conference that has the big payouts
that the Mountain West does not. But you know, if they could have
found it, they would have found it already. So well, you see,
all right, bring getting back to this season just real quick before you
let you go. You know, I know, bold destination is kind of
spitting in the wind, you know, everybody's you know, trying to you
know, it's a massive puzzle and you just trying. You're trying to figure
it out and do some guessing. Quite frankly, if you have you got
any kind of pulse, have you heard anything about I'm sure in your book
you'd love to, you know, a December twenty third trip back to Hawaii,
you know, right before Christmas, to do it twice and two months.
Maybe you wouldn't, or maybe you'd rather go to New Mexico. I
don't know, but you know, seeing a lot of different you know,
Armed Forces Bowl, you know the twenty third and New Mexico Bowl. I
mean, had you heard it kind of you got a feeling maybe which way
it might go? Now, I mean generally speaking, when the Armed Forces
Bowl or the First Responders Bowl, once one of those that has kind of
a service element to it becomes an option, air Force tends to end up
there. So I kind of always assume as long as the Air Force has
a good season and the Armed Forces Bowl is available, that that's where they're
going to end up. I did see that Brett McMurphy's reporting that one now
on his projections against West Virginia, which would be if Air Force couldn't get
a Power five opponent out of all of this, you know what, that
would be fantastic for them. Uh. You know, I've seen so many
other matchups against you know, Louisiana, this and that, you know,
you name it, but not Power five. So I don't know, you
know, nobody really knows at this point. It's all everybody's making these guesses,
some of them edicated, some of them not. Nobody knows. You
know, the TVs are gonna sit down once everything's said and done, figure
out which ones can first of all, get the most television viewers, second
of all Phil Stadium, and they'll make it totally determined on that. So
yeah, air Force is in good position because they were such a national name
during this season and because every season they're a national brand. That always helps
them. But you know, in terms of specific balls, I don't,
I don't. Yeah, all right, before we let you go, Brent,
last one Army Navy coming up next week. You've obviously seen them both
air Forces you know, battle both of them. Maybe not didn't battle so
much against Army because that seemed like it was over before it began. But
I mean, you've You've seen Air Force go up against both teams, and
you know how this you know game these teams match up, you always know
what you're gonna get most of the time. With the Service Academy matchup.
Which way do you think this goes? You think Army's gonna win? See
I see outright? Do you think Navy springs the upset? Upset? What
do you think about the matchup coming up next weekend? I mean, based
on what I saw in both those games in person, I mean Army,
Navy's offense was was just non existent against Air Force. It was just not
a factor. And when you factor in what Army, what I saw of
Army, how they're able to run that offense, the way they're able to
just cause mass confusion up up front with the way they just kind of run
that little delay and then they've got such good quarterback. You know, I
would have a hard time picturing Navy winning that game. But I know that
this series, you know, it's just like Air Force. You know,
Air Force have a great year and then struggle in these games because they just
know each other so well. It means so much to them. They practice
against the comparable style, so you know it really is of all you know
rivalry series where you say, throughout the records, this is the ultimate example
of that, because of all of them. So I would certainly bet on
Army if I was a better but I you know, I would not be
surprised if it goes the other way. Brent Teller By what our listeners,
what you got in terms of coverage coming up? I know it's basketball season
now, so you got the Falcons on the hard wood, you know,
but what else you've got coming up here at the Colorado Springs Gazette covering the
Falcons and certainly getting ready for the upcoming bowl game. Yeah, well,
that's that's gonna be the focused you know. We had all Mountain West teams
come out yesterday and Trey Taylor, the safety, was a finalist, one
of three finalists for the Thorpe Award, which is a huge deal for air
Force. I mean that's that's a pretty big award to be one of three
finalists with a you know, a projected first round pick and an American from
Georgia. I mean, that's pretty good he's keeping there. Yeah. Other
than that, you know, bowl announcement coming out, we'll have obviously all
we can get on that fun matchup this weekend women's basketball to see you women
who are ranked I believe seventh now nationally. They opened the season with that
huge upset of LSU and now they're they wrapped to number three. So they
come to Clone Arena, So that'll be a lot of fun to have them
down in Colorado Springs kind of see how these women can match up in a
in a big time game. And yeah, the men of one five in
a row. You know, we'll see. Maybe Joe Scott's got something going
the product of a pretty soft schedule, but you know, we we'll see.
But there's always something going on here. And you know in high school
in the community of Colorado Springs. You know, we've got high school football
championships, We've got some people competing in the Olympic Trials coming up for boxing.
We've got all kinds of stuff going on. It's it's never a slow
time around here. One of the greatest American cities, uh, you know,
in the continental US, Colorado Springs. Brent, we always we always
appreciate catching up with you. I know it's been a while. Everybody can
follow you on Twitter at Brent Brigaman Online. For everything that's coming up and
more. Man, Thanks, thanks so much for the time today. Brent,
thanks guys. And that's Brent Brighaman, the beat writer for the Colorado
Springs Gazette once again. You can follow him on Twitter at Brent Brigaman b
R I G G E M A N again covering the Air Force Falcons.
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right, Steven, more to do here before we look at Army Navy and
kind of touch on that once again to mention, we will have our Army
Navy preview special coming up next week where we break down the entire game,
the matchup talk with guests on both sides from Army and Navy. We will
do that early next week. But a few news and notes to pass along
to you. We mentioned Bowl projections just a little bit earlier talk with Brent
where he thinks they might go. Just to let you know the Bowl projections
that I've taken a look at, and Steve has seen. Air Force obviously
the one Bowl eligible team we have of our three right now, here's where
it looks like air Force could land. The Action Network's Brett Brett McMurphy,
who I think does the best job when it comes to projecting Bowl teams.
He's got air Force in the Armed Forces Bowl on December the twenty third.
He's got the Falcons taking on West Virginia, Neil Brown engineering a fantastic turnaround
where he was on one of the hottest seats going into the season. West
Virginia has had a really good one. He's got at Air Force in West
Virginia in the arm Forces Bowl. The Athletic also putting Air Force in the
Armed Forces Bowl, but they have a matchup with Texas Tech. Also a
couple others to pass along. Also on December the twenty third. USA today
they have air Force versus SMU, who we just talked a good bit about.
They have Air Forces against SMU in the Hawaii Bowl two days before Christmas.
So I'm assuming that the USA today is figuring on a SMU lost to
Tulane, therefore dropping SMU to the Hawaii Bowl. Boy, that would be
quite a fall when you know, staring a potential New Year six Bowl in
the eyes. But then a loss to Tulane theoretically would drop you down to
a consolation trip to Hawaii, which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
A couple others to pass along. Steve real quick, no doubt about
it, no question that would go. And we talked about heaters outside the
stadium. You wouldn't need anything but outside the stadium there in Hawaii for that
Bowl game. And finally ESPN they kind of have got a different, a
different look at air Force. Mark Schlaybaugh has got Air Force against Louisiana Lafayette
in the New Mexico Bowl on December the eighteenth, while Kyle vana Gura he's
got the Falcons against Louisia and a Lafayette, same opponent, except he has
them in the sixty eight Ventures Bowl on December the twenty third. So that's
what I've seen, Steve, You do you have anything else others? You
know, SI, where do you have where? Do you see any other
projections for air Force? Did you find Army and Navy listed anywhere else?
Yeah? Unfortunately, did not see Army and Navy listed in any of the
projections that I saw. Then that stinks because I think that if you're going
to take a five win team, you would want to take a five win
team out of, you know, a service academy, although I can only
imagine it's going to be a lot more expensive to take a service academy if
you have to fly the or move the core of cadets to have them there,
or to have a representative. Then that's why like SI has twelve Sun
Belt teams getting bull getting Bowl games and not neither Army nor Navy is a
part of it. Jerry Palm of CBS Sports dot Com actually has Air Force
playing in the First Responders Bowl on December twenty sixth in Dallas, Texas against
app State, and that would be a fun game to just certainly watch the
Mountaineers I got a chance to watch a lot of them here this year.
My my buddy Mark Miller is actually the radio engineer for for app State,
and so he has been begging me to come to Kid Brewer and see how
beautiful it is in Boone, North Carolina for for an app State home game
and watching it. I want to go so bad. So that's that's the
one. That's the one other Bowl prodict projection that I've seen for air Force
apart from the ones that you mentioned earlier on So it's it stinks that that
five win Army and five win Navy will be left out of a possible Bowl
game because I think they both because of the APR I and being in their
favor. And we talked about this earlier, you know, having uh,
you know, guaranteed graduation, you know, one hundred percent graduation rates.
Uh is certainly very nice. Uh, you know. And and something you
know, the NCAA has harped on for years, we want schools that graduate
their students. Well, nobody graduates their students like Service Academy. And these
are guys that are going to go on to not play in the NFL,
but go do things that are you know, much greater than the self.
And so I I think that if you're if you're a bull, uh,
you know, if you're a Bowl chair person, uh, I think you
should be taking a much harder look at a Service Academy than they are doing
that right now. Yeah, with one, we will find out the destination
for how the bowl season will shake out for everybody coming up on Sunday as
the college football playoff and everything is announced in bold destinations for everybody else around
the country. A few more news and notes to pass along, obviously,
postseason awards starting to roll in around the country. A big one for a
Special Air Force Falcon senior Trey Taylor named is a finalist for the Jim Thorpe
Award, given to the nation's top defensive back. Three players named as finalist
for the Thorpe Award. Trey Taylor, the free safety out of Frisco,
Texas. He was one of those three, the only senior finalist amongst the
three. The others are Cooper Dejon from Iowa junior cornerback and Malachi Starks,
a Georgia sophomore safety. So certainly good luck to Trey Taylor as the winner
will be announced coming up this Friday night on the Home Depot Award show that
will air on ESPN at seven pm. Just for those scoring at home if
you're curious where Taylor might stack up. His seventy one tackles in three interceptions,
those are more more than the other finalist had. He also had a
pick six, which the other two finalists did not have as well. The
other two, Cooper de John and then Malachi Starts from Georgia, had a
couple more pass breakups, but that was the only really statistical category that they
led Trey Taylor in. So it will be a very interesting award to see
where that one lands. But Taylor just obviously being named as one of the
three finalists, but I think has a very very good shot to potentially bring
that massive piece of Hardware home to Colorado Springs. A few more Steve air
Force several players honored by the Mountain West this week. Three players excuse me
four were named to the first team, while three were named to the second
team. Center Thor Pagley Long, the senior out of Woodstock, Illinois,
who was a member of the Outland and Lobardi Award watch list to start the
year and through the season. He was named first team along with obviously Trey
Taylor, PJ. Ramsey. The defensive end and also outside linebacker Bo Richter
was the first team honoree by the Mountain West, earning all second team honors
from the Mountain West running back Emmanuel Michelle, offensive lineman Adam Carris, and
then linebacker Alex Mock and then honorable mention did go to quarterback Zach Larrier,
defensive back Jaden Goodwin, and then kicker Matthew Depoor. So certainly congratulations to
all those Falcons taking in postseason awards and finally real quick. Also staying with
Air Force, Brett Toath. He got the start at offensive guard for the
Carolina Panthers on last Sunday against the Tennessee Titans. The Panthers picking him up
off the practice squad of the Philadelphia Eagles, or I think it was Philadelphia
Eagles. But Brent toath now is a member of the Carolina Panthers, and
it was great to see him in their starting lineup as the Panthers took on
the Titans last Sunday. All right, Steven, you did see him.
It was certainly a big moment to see him back on the field, but
certainly get back into a starting lineup, so started an offensive guard for Carolina.
All right, Steve. We mentioned we've got an Army Navy previews special
next week. It's gonna be nothing but Army and Navy, both teams five
and six going into this one. The press conference is being held today up
there at Gillette Stadium, as we record on Wednesday, November the twenty ninth,
This one obviously going to be on CBS Big Boy CBS a three pm
kickoff at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough on Saturday, December the ninth. Right now,
Army currently a two and a half point favorite, the over under sitting
at twenty nine and a half. We're not gonna, obviously go and pick
any winners this week. We will do that next week. But you know,
just quick thoughts impressions as we get ready for America's game next week.
Well, I certainly think if you had told me four weeks ago that this
game was going to be played at this point, I think you would have.
I would have thought that, you know, Navy would have had an
opportunity to be Bowl eligible, and that Army would have been instead of being
what are they five and six or five? And they're five and six as
well. I never would have thought that Army would have been five and six.
I thought that they would have been, you know, maybe two and
nine. You know, there's or or three and eight. Maybe. I
never would have thought that they would have finished with you know, with wins
over both Air Force and Coastal Uh to get to five and six. Uh.
I never would have thought that this. But that's why the the line
is where it is. Uh, and that Army is a favorite. I
would have thought, you know, if you had told me four weeks ago,
this would have been, uh, you know, a three point Navy
uh, you know, being favored. Uh No, no, the total
is probably right, but uh, you know, give Army a ton of
credit. They have put themselves in a position to win this game and the
Commander in Chief trophy out right. Yeah, it's incredible how things have changed
through the course of the season. Where we obviously knew that, you know,
Air Force was riding high eight No, then Army you know, completely
knocked them off that perch. And you know, the Navy has had their
moments at times where they look like they might be the best of the bunch.
But certainly, I don't think there's any question right now. You know,
you could still make the case. You know, I was thinking earlier,
as before we recorded, I said, but where would you power rank
these teams? Because I know we haven't done that since really beginning of the
season. But you know, if you were to try and order the three
teams, you know, how would you do that? Would you put Army
on top or would you put Air Force on top? I don't really think
there's a case to be made for Navy to be on top. I think
it would be between Army and Air Force. But would you go with the
body of work like an eight and four or would you just go simply head
to head that was a dominating result. I think it's you know, an
interesting question that we could sit here and kind of but you know, who
is the best Service Academy team at this point, I think it probably if
I were to have to go with a pick, I'd have to go with
Army. Yeah, it's funny. I think that there are two teams that
you could put at the top of this power ranking. There are two teams
that you could put at the bottom of this power ranking, and it's hilarious
that Army could be in both of those. So, you know, I
think that if you know, because four weeks ago, I would have had
this Air Force, Navy Army all day, and now there's if you go
by head to head, you would have to put Army at the top,
with Air Force second and Navy third. So it's absolutely amazing to see what
a difference a month has made in this college football season. And you and
I understand that you know there are times that you know this happens, but
yeah, I really it's really so hard to rank these three teams as to
which one is the best and which one isn't because all three of them have
shown, you know, stretches where they can be absolutely brilliant, and they've
all shown stretches where they can be absolutely inapt It's It's amazing to see the
roller coaster ride that these three teams have put us on here so far this
year. We got one more stop to make and it might be the biggest
one of all. A lot of these question questions and more will be answered,
especially who is the best that will be on the line next weekend next
Saturday, December the ninth, in Foxborough between Army and Navy in America's Game
presented by us A A all right, Steven, we'll get out of here
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