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guest is Donna Huff. Donna, Welcome to the show. Thank you,
it's a pleasure to be here. Well, it's great having you. Thank
you for your time. Donna, please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Okay, I'm a woman my sixties, and I love all kinds of
animals, every animal in the world. And I've had a pretty much a
lifetime of different types of paranormal experiences, and so because of that, I
kind of got used to them and basically had no fear of most things.
Of course, until this happened. This was entirely different. And that's why
I just decided to reach out to you, because you had helped so many
other people, and I thought it was time for me to reach out.
This was different, not something I could just deal with like any other thing.
It sure was different. Yeah, I mean, life can prepare you
for pretty much almost anything, but having experience like this, yeah, you're
definitely never prepared for it, So that's understandable. Donnie. You're living in
Arizona now, but you're living in a property in California where you had your
encounter. What can you tell us about that property. Well, the area
where I live now is in Arizona and it's very rural. But the experiences
that happened back in two thousand was actually where we had left our property here
to do a job for a man that lived in southern California, and we
spent six months living there, even though we still had our place in Arizona.
We spent six months living there. So that's actually where it happened.
And it was a part of southern California that is actually secluded in comparison to
a lot of southern California because there's a lot of orchards there. Primarily they
are avocado orchards, So even though you do have suburbs near each other there,
it's choppy. There's a house, a lot of orchards, and then
a house and a lot of orchards, that kind of thing. So that's
kind of like the geographic description of the area. And it's hilly. It's
in the upper hills, it's not down in the Valley, and it's not
along the beaches. It's inland, and it's right along the edge of the
mountains, the San Bernardino Mountains. The Los Angeles Mountain rags that area of
southern California, So it's not that far from the mountains. And that's basically
the geographical description that I can give. Yeah, sounds like a beautiful area.
It's just a shame you have to have an experience like the one that
you're going to tell us about tonight. You still wonder to this day of
what you experienced years ago. Was a dog mean that paid you an unwanted
visit or some kind of a haunting, which one would be worse than your
opinion, though, dog man, dog man, without a doubt, that's
the worst. That's That's why when I realized that's what it was, that
I could cope with a hunted house as terorrizing as it was, I could
always say my prayers and this dog man would be worse, way worse.
Yeah, I figured you would answer it that way. What kind of an
effect does the encounter you're going to tell us about tonight it had in your
life? Donna? Since I recognized that actually was dog man, I have
had a real hard time. It actually did a lot. It affected me
because we go in and out of denial, like, no, that's not
what it was. But then I had to finally contact you because I knew
that you were very experienced, that you knew and if it wasn't dog Man,
you would tell me, Oh, no, Donna, yeah you're right,
it wasn't that, but you validated that, Yeah it was one of
these guys, all right. But even before you verify to me, for
my own mind, I couldn't process that. I would go back and forth.
I would go from no, that wasn't what it was to yeah,
that's the only thing it could have been. And thinking that, like I
said, a haunting would be so much better to just say, oh,
there's a haunted house hundreds and hundreds of miles from here, and I never
have to go back there ever again. But that's not the case. It's
something else, and it's something that can be anywhere, anytime on the planet,
anywhere, and that's not good. I mean, when I thought it
was just a haunted how hauntings, I was hundreds of miles away from it.
So I'm here and I could go outside at night look at the stars,
look at the beautiful moon. In the summertime, I could open my
windows at night and sleep at the windows all open. But then after I
realized what it was and that it could be anywhere anytime, and then I
don't go out. As soon as that sun peaks the top of the mountains
to the west of me, I am indoors and I do not got to
I don't care what noise I hear. I don't care what I don't go
outside for nothing till that sun rises in the morning. And I'd never sleep
with my windows open anymore. I have the screen, and then I have
like that hardware. It's not bars, but it's a caging type material that's
on my windows. So the cats cannot scratch and it out and go get
killed, right, But it would never stop a dog man from tearing the
window right out of the wall. And so I don't sleep with my windows
open anymore. Even though it gets I just open the windows to let the
breeze flow through at night and sleep peacefully. But now I have a higher
electric bill because I run the air conditioner in the summer at night. I
don't open my windows anymore at night, so I mean, if I just
shut the windows, I'm going to have to run the AC because here in
Arizona where I live, you can't sleep inside without the windows open at night
unless you have the AC on. And even though I live in the northern
part of Arizona where it actually snows in the winter, but it still gets
really hot in the summer and sometimes humid because of the monsoons that come in
this summer. So it's not comfortable at night in the summer if you don't
have the AC on, if your windows are closed. So I can't sleep
with the windows open anymore. And I just make sure all the drapes are
shut up. I can't see out, nothing can see in. So I
mean, it's put a fear in me. It's put a definite fear in
my lifestyle. But since you told me when we talked the seven word mantra,
but it didn't want to hurt me, I say that out loud,
even I say it in my mind, and I say it out loud,
that helps a lot because it so easily could have hurt me, but it
didn't. I was right within its grips and it didn't. So I would
say it affected me a lot. As far as lifestyle choices, if I
have an appointment a town with somebody and their doctor or whatever, and they
say we're going to schedule it for four o'clock, I'll say, Nope,
can't do it because it means I'll be driving home in the dark. Won't
do it. Won't drive home in the dark, won't pull into my property
at night, get out of the car and walk from the car to Nope,
not doing it. I'm not. Yeah, lifestyle choices have changed a
great deal. And I've never been afraid of the wildlife out here, whatever
there might be out there. I don't worry that I'm going to get hurt
by the local coyote group or not. I mean, I just know it
has changed a lot of the way I live or choose to do things.
I can understand how it would change the way you live your life. But
please do remember those seven metric words that I told you. In as long
as you remember them and keep seeing them to yourself, that will definitely help
snap you back to reality. So you can deal with this in a healthy
way. But if you're ready now, and there's no rush to do it.
But like I said, if you're ready to tell us about your encounter.
Now, please do so give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Okay, Well, it all started when Paul accepted a job offer,
and this was going to be in southern California and we lived in northern Arizona,
and so it was not something we wanted to do, but it was
a really good, good pay and for that time era, maybe not so
much for the twenty twenty four, but for nineteen ninety nine it was really
good. And the idea was that we didn't want to go to work somewhere
where we were going to have to pay rent because they were gonna have to
be there for six months. But the man said, okay, but we
got this guest house and you can stay in the guest house the whole time,
so you can stay right on the job site and the pay will be
the same everything. So I wasn't working, Paul didn't have anything going on
at the time, so it was like, yeah, let's do this.
So we went there. It was November of nineteen ninety nine, and we
had Thanksgiving and the very following Sunday we took off and went there so that
we could start work on Monday. Them very Monday after Thanksgiving. So we
had like a Volkswagen hippie van that we used to like to travel around in,
and it was set up really nice in there, with a really good
bed and certain creature comforts in there. It was really cool and anyway,
so we drove in it and we went over there, and we got there
and it was a really nice area with a lot of homes up there that
were it was in the heights, so it was really nice, nice homes
up there, but there were spaced far apart from each other, and there
was like avocado orchards everywhere and hilly areas, and it was up in the
hills, not up in the mountains, but it was on the hills before
you get up to the mountain range. And it was very beautiful. And
the guest house was, oh my god, it was. I should have
been happy, because if I had a million dollars or a billion dollars to
build my dream, I would build it just like that guest house, and
I would put the landscaping and everything like it was, because it was just
like a fairy tale land, beautiful flowers and nasturians along the trails, and
oh gosh, it was gorgeous and you never felt like you were near a
city because it was so secluded. But I was real happy. Guesthouse was
so nice. So we got there on that Sunday and we got everything ready
and moved into the guest house, wanting to go to bed early that night,
because you know how it is if you're going to start a new jobs
next morning, you want the boss of man to be impresso. Paul was
all about doing the best he could. He was a good work so he
needed to get to bed, and so we went to bed and middle of
the night, I look up in terror like I have never known. I
have never known this terror, this level where I couldn't even breathe. I
mean, I was being suffocated like I had an elephant on my chest,
and I was like shook into the very core and I was like just praying,
Oh, Lord, Lord Jesus like you you know, all the prayers
in the world wasn't taking that terror out of me. And I thought,
Okay, this is okay, this is a passing thing, and I'm going
to be okay. And I didn't understand, and I thought, if I
having a heart attack, is this what a heart attack feels like? But
you know, I decided to just stay calm. I didn't want to disturb
Paul. He was sleeping peacefully. So I just finally got to where I
could rest and fall back to sleep, and then I couldn't sleep for more
than ten minutes and I'd get shook awoke again with this, just this.
I can't even there isn't even a word, you know, you need a
new word for the word terror, because there's no word that I can think
of that could describe what it felt like. And it was all there was
again, right, everything all over me again, and I was like,
this is what is happening? What is happening? And I felt like,
okay, there is a demon in this house. It has to be some
demonic thing in this house. This house is a demon I saw because you
know my background thinking everything that goes bump in the night that's evil to this
degree is from hell. It's not just a wandering spirit or a ghost.
This is beyond any ghostly anything I've ever So I'm thinking this is a haunted
house with a haunt and I'm like, oh gosh, you know, and
I'm just praying. And then I finally got to sleep that night. But
then about two or three in the morning. I can't remember. I don't
think I even looked the clock, but it was after i'd gone to sleep
and finally was starting to sleep and getting good sleep. All of a sudden,
Paul and I both we woke up by rapping on the windows and rattling
of the doors. And the doors of the guest house were like the kind
that opened. There's two doors together, and I think they're called French doors.
There's two doors together, and they have all these window panes in them,
and they're really cool windows and they open up. Both doors will open
up, or just one and all these window panes. And it was rattling
like someone had a hold of the doorknob, just shaking and shaking violently,
just violently. And we're laying there and Paul said, just stay in bed,
just stay there. And I don't know if he had some thin in
his head, like a plan if something broke through, like a person broke
through there, if he had a plan in mind of like if there was
going to be an invasion or something. I mean, he had a lot
of experience in survival at Vietnam, so I was thinking, Okay, it's
gonna be okay, and I was praying for protection for whatever it was,
and it just rattling and rattling, and then there was windows next to the
bed that were kind of you know, magical storybook window types that opened out
and to the beautiful rose bushes and voganvilia and it was really magical. But
there was tapping, and we had the miniblinds pulled down, and I was
like, well, what could get through all those bushes to get up to
the window to start tapping on the window. And we just went okay,
we're just gonna lay here, and finally it stopped, and it was like,
that was so crazy. That was just so crazy, and we're like,
okay, it doesn't make sense that a person would, you know,
come from the main road and walk down the hill down to where the guest
house was just to pick on people. I mean, I don't even know
how many people would haven't even known it was there, but because it was
secluded in the trees. But anyway, that just freaked me out. So
the next day went around our business. The day went pretty good, and
that night when we went back to bed, it happened again. So all
of a sudden, I feel like there's an elephant, and I'm thinking this
horrid, terrible, terrible, I can explain this fear. And then there's
all the rattling and banging on the doors and terrible rattling and shaking, and
I was like in shock that the panes in the glass didn't break and the
tapping on the window and it would like just again. We just laid there
and then we talked about it, and I said, you know what,
Paul, this house is haunted. This house has to be haunted. And
he agreed with me in that, because you know, Paul had enough experiences
that he was like, Okay, yeah, that could very well be.
So I said, can we just sleep in the van? Sure? So
the next night we slept in the van and we would take advantage of the
creature comforts of the cabin during the day, but at night we would go
into the van to do our sleeping. Well, so it would have been
the second morning, so the second morning that we're there, which I guess
would have been Tuesday morning maybe. Yeah. Anyway, so the boss man
was walking by. I don't want to say his name because he's a pretty
prominent name. So he came walking by and he looked oddly at me,
and he said, did you sleep in your van? And I was like
yes, and he was, well, is there anything wrong with the guest
house? Is it too cold in there? Do you need more blankets?
Do you need a heater? And I said no, no, it's fine,
It's just you know. He said, well, why are you sleeping
in your van? Then I didn't want to say it, but finally I
was like, you know what I got to tell him, So I said,
well, the guest house is haunted. It's haunted. He looked at
me, but the way he looked at me was not like in surprise,
like whoa you know, It wasn't like that. What I could gather was
that he'd heard that before. And he said to me, well, didn't
my wife tell you? Because his wife wasn't there anywhere around at the time
for different reasons. But anyway, he said, did she tell you what
happened in that house? And I said no, nobody talked to me about
the house at all. And he said huh, okay, all right,
and then he went on about his business like okay, whatever. But what
I gathered from that was the way he acted was that he probably heard stories
from her, but because it was his wife. He probably just disregarded it
and thought, oh, well whatever, But now hearing it from an outsider
made him stop, you know. He gave him pause to stop and say,
huh, what is you know, because he was not shocked to hear
somebody say that guest house is haunted. Well, later on that afternoon,
the son and daughter in law have come to visit, and later on the
afternoon, the daughter in law introduced herself to me and everything, and he
says, she says, oh, by the way, boss Man told me.
She doesn't call him boss man, I do. By the way,
boss Man told me that you told him about the guest house, that the
guest house was haunted. And I said, yeah, I told him.
And she said wow. She said, is it like you You're so terrified
you can't breathe, like something's on your chest. And I'm like yeah.
And she goes in the doors rattling stuff and I'm like, yeah, exactly,
and she goes, wha man. She goes, yeah, I can't
sleep in there. When we come to visit, we can't stay in there.
We stay at the main house. And daughter can't either. Their daughter
when she comes, she won't stay in there. We won't stay in that
guest house. And I'm like, okay. So then I'm thinking, so
the guest house is haunted. So I wasn't wrong. There is something about
that and they know it. So I thought, well, there it is.
So I just went on thinking I was connected to a haunted house and
that we were staying in a haunted house. That's what I thought. And
all the time I would take advantage of in the daytime because I was writing,
and I would go in there and sit down at the table to write.
Well, Paul would go up the hill to the Grandma's house where most
of the work was. He would go up there and be working, and
unless he needed me for some specific things, I would stay down below and
I would do my writing, and I, you know, would just be
staying there at the guest house during the day and I would try to take
walks in the orchards and stuff, but they would be tapping even in the
day. And a lot of those southern California houses, when they're on the
hills area, they're built off of a slope. So the way this was
was that the front part of the house where you come up the road and
you come up to it. It's kind of up on a level, but
if you're on the outside of the cabin, you have to walk downhill to
the back of the cabin because it's built up above the ground on I don't
know what you call that, but I'm sure people are familiar with that when
the whole house is not on level ground. So the bedroom windows and the
kitchen and bathroom windows were up high. The front windows were average ground level
style windows, but to the back the windows were up high. So I
never had a problem with leaving those windows open for air and ventilation, the
bathroom window and the kitchen window. But I would be sitting at the table
at the kitchen area doing my writing and stuff and some book keeping style work
and stuff that I could do, you know, of my own, and
then there'd be some rattling at the door and some tapping on the glass,
and I would totally ignore it because I knew who was home and who wasn't,
and I knew that the boss man wasn't there, and daughter wasn't there,
a son in law and daughter in law weren't anywhere around, and nobody
should be doing that, and I wasn't going to go checking it out.
But when it would stop and I would go have to go around and pass
those doors so I could go around to get to the bathroom area. I
had to walk by there, and there was a slobber on the window.
Slobber's all over the glass, and I'll be like, what's with this slobber?
And I opened the door and look, and it would be up high,
like I'm five foot two, and I would have to like stand and
stretch and reach my hand up as high as I could touch the top of
the front doorframe. So somebody would have to be pretty tall to get slabber
up there on the class so high up, and I was like, what
is this slob like mucus stuff? And then I thought, oh, I've
heard of ectoplasm. Maybe it's ectoplasm. That's what I thought. I had
to come up with an idea, you know, of what it could be
because I was trying to figure it out. And since it's a haunted house,
why not be ectoplasm. So that's what I was thinking. So then
I would clean the window and go back to what I was doing. And
this happened all the time. It kept happening, and then oh, another
thing that would happen was when I'd be there in the back of my head,
I would hear this voice, this was inside my head, and it
would say turn around, and I wouldn't. I think, well, I
don't know where that came from. And I guess you would kind of call
that mind speak, but I'm not sure. I couldn't be positive of that.
But then it would go, there is someone standing behind you, turn
around, look at me, and I'd be like, oh my god.
Every hair on the back of my neck would stand up and I'd get a
chill down my back, and I'm like, oh my god, oh god,
that's just I mean, that's just that's just no, no, no,
no, no, no, I can't. I just can't. But
I thought, okay, okay, ghosts, okay, ghosts. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, whatever. I'm not turning around. I'm not going to
listen to that. But it can't happen every day, several times a day,
every single day. And it especially would happen when I would go into
the bathroom anyway. So it was even to the point where if you had
to go to the restroom in the middle the not you would hold it and
I would go in in the day when we want up in the morning i'd
go because I didn't even want to leave the van to go inside to use
the restroom. Make sure you gotta get your body and done before we hit
the van. Yeah, it was so bad. But anyway, so every
day Paul would come back and I would show him the slobbery on the window,
and you just kind of go, you know, with this tongue in
his cheekling. Oh, like he's trying to figure out it too, you
know, like, well, somebody's doing it. But I thought, well,
we don't know. But when I would grow up, I would want
to go for a walk in the beautiful orchard and there was like the trail
with the asturtians growing on either side and wildflowers and just beautiful. But I
always felt like I was being followed. But they had a little bulldog,
kind of a little bulldog named Rocky that was not a big pit bull type
but kind of a smaller version of a pit bull. But when Rocky would
walk with me, I felt like it was okay. And you know,
Rocky hung out a lot with me when I was there and made it nicer.
And they had all kinds of cats, but their cats and Rocky would
disappear she'd get a cat. They loved animals too, and the daughter and
I would come and she'd bring a cat, and her cat would just disappear.
There were several of them, feral Diablo, Oblio, baghera monkey,
serv I mean, there was a Dolpha was a beautiful calico. And they
would just disappear, and you would go looking for him, and they wouldn't.
They were just gone and they never showed up again. And eventually the
little dog Rocky disappeared, and nobody ever knew what happened to Rocky, and
that was just kind of a mystery. Oh and there was a cat Paul
named the cat eighty three. He said it took eighty three cats to get
that cat with all those colors. So, yeah, all these animals were
disappearing without an explanation. And they said, oh, well, it's probably
coyotes. There might be coyotes in the orchard, or coyotes come down from
the heels. But I accepted that. I said, okay, yeah,
but where I live right now, we have coyotes and I have been woken
up in the dead of night from coyotes catching something. They are loud,
I mean, they're like, well, I never know. They go into
a frenzy and they are so loud, they're loud enough to wake the dead.
And you would have thought that if it was coyotes getting their animals,
that you would have heard something. But never ever did we ever hear anything
or any signs of coyotes. But yet that was the accepted explanation for why
the animals disappeared. Anyway, So this went on and finally see people that
I know and I mean would tell me you could expel an evil spirit from
a house. Well, that's true, and I believe that you can,
and I've had experiences doing that, but there is something that you have to
do and if you don't do it, And I don't want to get religious
on people, but it's right in their Bible. When a wandering spirit goes
wandering the earth looking for a house to move into, and it finds one
and it moves in. If you cast it out and you don't replace it
with what needs to be replaced, then it will come back. When it
sees the house empty, it'll come back in and bring seven worse than it
was with it. And I've seen that played out in life. That was
something I didn't share with you earlier. But yeah, I have seen it
played out where something happened and the person didn't and then it got worse.
So there was no way that I was gonna even though I believed that at
the time it was an evil spirit, I was not going to cast it
out and then drive merrily home to Arizona, leaving these people with a sweat
clean place, if you know what I mean. So I was just going
to tolerate it and just keep myself and Paul protected until we was all over.
And then when one day he said he's going to take that Saturday off
and we're gonna go somewhere and do something, and I was all happy.
And so the Friday night came and we were going to go out to eat
when he got done. So I went to get ready and be completely ready.
So when he got home, all he had to do was shower and
get ready. So I went into the bathroom, and the bathroom the window
was high up from the ground because it was towards the back of the house,
and so I always had that window open, and it was a wide
window that went up and down, so I had a stick basically to hold
it to keep it from falling. Closed, so I had it open because
it got stuffy in that bathroom. So when you first walk in the bathroom,
to your left is the counter mirror, a big long mirror, and
to the right is wall, nothing but wall, and the door bumps into
the wall. The space between the edge of the counter and the window basically
the width of a door, so it's it's a narrow area. So I
went in there, got my shower and stuff done. And when I got
out of the shower and I went to the mirror and I'm looking in the
mirror. You know, you're going to dry yourself off and comb your hair
and all that. I'm looking in the mire and there's these two huge werewoof
claws in the mirror. I was looking at that and trying to process it,
and I get nauseated. It I'm getting I'm literally getting nauseated right now
just even talking about it. But at the time being a believer in ghosts,
having a mindset this was a haunted house and nothing else. That's what
it is. Having that mindset. And I'm looking at the mirror and I'm
thinking, Okay, ghost, now you're gonna show me something inside the mirror.
And I'm thinking that to myself, and I'm like, I'm I'm but
I'm still I'm still befuddled. I'm confused, and I'm just trying to figure
this out. It's like, and I was thinking, my brain was saying,
this is inside of the mirror, and it looked like they were trying
to come out of the mirror and grab me. They were in that position,
two ungodly horrible werewolf hands when the risk, it just was like they
were coming and I thought they were coming out of the mirror, like they
were inside the mirror and another dimension like Alice in Wonderland falls in and out
of the mirror like that. I mean, I was literally thinking that way,
which is a crazy way to think, but that's literally what how I
was how my brain was processing this, that this thing is going to reach
out from inside of the mirror and grab me, And it was clearly wherewoof.
I mean, there's nothing else in the world that it could have been.
That's the only thing. That's the only thing it could be. There
was no other hands I've ever could and I didn't watch werewolf movies. I
saw The Wolf Man with Lon Cheney Junior. But that's about it for me.
For watching werewif movies, but I've still recognized that this can only be
wherewof that it just can't be anything else. And I'm looking at it and
I was like, Okay, what the world does a werewoff have to do
with a haunting? This doesn't make sense. This just doesn't make sense.
How can I mean? Oh yeah, what? And I'm like, what
is the Is the spirit trying to tell me? Are they sending me a
message? Wait? Maybe they maybe they need help. Maybe they're one of
these spirits that's haunting trying to get answers or help maybe you know. And
I'm going through all these questions in my head because that's just what my head
was doing, and I was thinking about what in the world what message would
come from werewoof? I mean, what does this have to do with anything?
This is completely bizarre. What the heck? And I was just tripping
on it. I was just what I I'm just stuttering and stammering and looking
at it and trying to process it and thinking, how can this be?
I guess there really can be things in another dimension through the mirror, through
the looking glass. Maybe maybe When Lewis Carroll wrote Alison Wonderland, there was
something do that. This is still how I'm thinking. I'm still thinking that
way, but I hear the van. I I come out of the bathroom
and Paul's coming down. He comes in and I'm going to show him,
and it's not there. And I'm trying to explain it to Paul and he's
like, okay, okay, I don't know. I don't know, and
I'm sitting like, well, I'm I'm I don't want to leave you.
I don't I want to be So I stayed there in the bathroom while he
took a shower because I didn't want to leave his side. I didn't want
to go out and sit out. I didn't want to be away from him.
So at that point I thought, this is too much. This is
just too much. And I was so scared and frantic that I told Paul,
I said I can't stay here anymore. I got to go home.
And he was very understanding and he said, okay, that's fine that you
know you don't have to stay. So at that point, you know,
when I talked to you before, I said bus. I don't know why
I said bus. My brother and I have a joke about one time I
called Jack Nicholson Robin Williams by accident. Well, I told you, I
got on a bus. It wasn't it was an Amtrak. So Paul took
me down to the station. I got on the train and came back to
Arizona. And I was happy. I missed him, but I was so
happy. I was never so glad to be away from a place in my
life. I could breathe easy, I was I just felt safe at home.
Everything was fine. But then after a few days the boss man called
me and said, please come back because we need you. Paul needs you
here. There's aspects of the job that we need you to do. And
Paul isn't focusing well without you here. He's worried about you. And I'm
like, okay. So he talked me into coming back, and I didn't
want to, but I did. Got back on the train, went back
and I finished up, and we got done in the middle of May two
thousand. So we started in the November of nineteen ninety nine and finished in
May of two thousand and got all the loosings, caught up and took off
and came home. And I was so happy. And I never ever,
ever, ever, ever ever wanted to ever, ever, ever go back
there again ever. So time goes on and I'm thinking, you know,
I tell my brother and a few other people about the crazy haunted house and
blooh, that's weird everything. Well, I had a friend a few years
later. You have this friend, and what we would do is sometimes that
Halloween we'd all get together. This one Halloween she came here. Now we're
back in Arizona and our property in Arizona, and this friend of mine brought
her daughter and son in law. And since we're remote everything, we could
build a fire and roast marsh mills and all that. So we're doing that
and we decided to sit around the campfire and tell ghostly stories because it's Halloween,
but we have to be true. So we each told a story,
and then her son in law, we said, well, do you have
a story, and he said, well, I don't have a ghost story,
but something weird did happen to me once, and so we're like,
we'll just tell us. So he didn't want to, but finally he said,
okay, okay. So he lived in Louisiana. As a kid,
he went as a boy scout to a camping trip and one night he had
to get up and go to the restroom. He got out of his tent
and he went, and then when he came back, there was a wherewiff
standing there, just standing there, looking at him. And to this day,
I wish that I would have drilled him. I wished I would have
asked all kinds of more questions. But we were all stunned because this was
a true story. He was supposedly telling us a true story. And we
were like, well, that's it for tonight. Nobody's ever going to top
that one. You won the prize. And then somehow or other we wound
up talking about other things. But now I wish I would have asked him
a lot of more questions, but at the time I didn't. I was
just stunned that anybody ever had something like that happen. Well, then what
happened was time went by, you know, Fast forward now to twenty twenty.
Paul passes away, Fast forward to about twenty one. Sometime in that
and a dear friend who I've known since she is a child. I know
this woman and she is very upstanding, an honest Christian mother. She's got
a grandchild. Now she's not Nats anyway, I get a message from her,
don I need to talk to somebody, and you're the only one I
can talk to. I think that nobody else will believe me, but I
got to talk to somebody about something that happened. So she knows me who
I am. So I'm like, okay, sure you can tell me anything.
I'll understand. And I'm expecting her to say she saw Bigfoot or she
saw a UFO or something like that. And she says, I was stocked
by a ware wolf. And I'm like, are you sure she's I was
stocked by a ware wolf. So I was like, it's okay, it's
okay. I believe you. I don't know what happened. I don't know
what a wold. I don't know how to explain it, but I believe
you. And I told her, I'll pray for you. I'll always pray
for you. I'll pray for you, I'll pray for your family forever.
I love you, guys, and I believe you. And that was that,
and it really troubled me, really troubled me because I know now there's
two stories. Now Connie's son in law has told me a story, and
now she's told me a story my good friend, and I'm like, something's
to this. Well I didn't. It bothered me a lot, but I
was thinking, well, thank god I never saw anything like that. Thank
God I had other experiences, but I thank god that didn't happen to me.
So what happened was I kept thinking about that, you know, I
kept thinking about what happened to her, and it was really really troubling me,
but I couldn't get it out of my mind. So then I was
actually a moderator on another Facebook page for somebody that was a sasquatch page,
and I really enjoyed that, but people kept talking about dog Man and I'm
like, what are they talking about dog Man? This is crazy, And
so I started researching it and it brought me to vic kind of dog band
radio encounters, and I'm like, oh, okay, let's check this thing
out. And I started listening to his stories that people would on your podcast,
and I was like, what, Oh my goodness, is this what
she saw? Is this what he saw in Louisiana? Is this what she
saw she lived in the southern part of Arizona. I'm like, this is
what she saw, and that's what this has to be what they saw.
So this thing is real. This is real, and I wanted to call
her and tell her to contact you. So I did get in touch with
her, and I said, I need to call you, and she said
okay. So I called her and I asked her about how she was doing,
and she just told me that she was doing okay, and that she
said she thought about it and she thought, yeah, that couldn't be real.
So her family had talked to her about get in touch with somebody about
it, and she went to a therapist and they said, well, yeah,
you're having hallucinations, and they just diagnosed her with having hallucinations. And
that just broke my heart because by this time I know that what she saw
was very real, and now she's under the care of some you know,
medical thing, the mental thing, and that just broke my heart because I
didn't feel at that time she was ready for me to push her to think
that no, it really was real. So I just kind of let that
go for the time being, and I continued to listen to your podcasts.
Oh. I forgot to mention though back after this happened, I drew those
hands, those wrewiff hands. I kept drawing them I couldn't stop drawing and
my drama over and over and over, trying to get just right so I
could show Paul this is what they were, No, this is a little
off. I got a draw them again, and I kept obsessing on drawing
them. Anyway back to the two thousands now, So about a while back,
I was listening to all your past podcasts, listening to all these people,
and a girl came on there on one of them, and she's talking
about stuff that happened to her. And this girl is talking about stuff that
happened right around the year two thousand and all the stuff she's talking about it
kind of resonates with my own experience with so called haunting. And she starts
talking about where this happened. And when she says where it happened, as
I told you, I don't want to give the city name up because I
can expose some people to possible ridicule, and I don't want to do that.
But I will say those two cities are so close to each other that,
like I said, you could spit from one town to the next,
and it's almost like part of the border goes through an avocado orchard, Like
there's the border of this and that, and you could put one foot in
that town and one foot in this town, and they were so connected that
it was hard to tell where one started and where one stopped. And when
I realized that everything that happened to her happened at the same time and the
same basic vicinity that my it just hit me. Just hit me in the
gut. I will oh like that and just grabbed my gut because I realized,
oh no, oh no, oh no, holy wellly Macaroni. That's
when I knew that was the windows, the slobbery, And that's when it
hit me. It just hit me, like, oh, my gosh,
my brain is ready to say that was in the window, not the mirror.
Of course, it was in the mirror, because the mirror was reflecting
what was in the window, just as sure as the mirror was reflecting me
standing there, it was reflecting those claws reaching in through the window within inches
of the back of it could have just grabbed me and yanked me out of
that window so fast it just dug its terrible claws deep in my flesh and
yanked me out. And that's when I realized, Holy all this time,
it was real. It was it was. You know, that's what mirrors
do. Mirrors don't show you what's inside the mirror moving around in the mirror.
Mirrors show you what's on the outside of the mirror being reflected. That
thing was right behind me that whole time, and that's when I realized that
everything came around, Everything that had never been closed came full circle, and
everything, all the pieces fit. Everything makes sense, everything that happened,
even the animals, the stuff when the I didn't tell you about, when
the plants would move around, just stuff that everything just said. I just
knew. And then I just sunk because I realized I thought I left all
that behind me, hundreds of miles away, in twenty years behind me,
And now this is something that could be lurking anywhere. It's in Arizona,
it's in Norway, it's in Utah, it's in it's everywhere. Not just
it, but it's kind those kinds of things. Those dog men, they
are wherever they are. They could be in Florida, they could be in
anywhere. It could be in China. I mean, it doesn't matter.
So you can't just pick up and move to a new location and be one
hundred miles away. From where that one was and not expect to ever have
them out there. They're out there, and that was like just I was
ruined. I was just ruined, just like I couldn't cope with it.
Of course, I talked to my brother, the only one I ever talked
to about stuff like this. I have two brothers, but the brother i'm
referring to his Bill, who lives in California, but he's always gives me
his support and his listening ear, and he's had his own share of experiences
in his life, but nothing like this. But oh my gosh, it
just killed me. But then I also knew I had been protected because it
didn't get me, but he wanted to, or maybe it didn't want to.
I don't know if they get a six satisfactor from scaring people. I
don't know if they're territorial and they're trying to scare people away from their territory,
or if they feed off of the human fear hormone that we I don't
know. But whatever it was that they do, whatever, I was ruined.
And now I can't imagine what my little friend went through being stalked by
one, When she was stocked by one, I can't imagine because what I
felt when I found out what really happened, what was really going on in
with that guest house, Yeah, that did it for me. But it
came full circle. And then when I talked to you the first time and
you said yeah, because I was still in denial, there was a piece
of me that wanted to say, oh, that was a haunting with wherewith
components like what haunting us? We're you know, that's just no, that's
kind of a just searching for anything, anything you can stick your hands on
or put your mind to that can push this and make this an impossibility.
But yet you know it happened. You know what it was. I know
those hands were reaching through that window, not inside the mirror. I was
real, and I just my brain just was not going to process it at
that moment. And I think I've read about and heard about our brains protecting
us in certain times, not allowing us to comprehend certain things, not allowing
us to remember certain things as a protection, and I think that's what was
probably happening when my brain was saying, oh, look what's in the mirror?
Look, my brain wasn't about to say, look what's in the window
behind you, just like the song kept saying, look behind you, there's
someone behind you, look behind you. And then it was like, yeah,
there's someone behind me, all right, and I left. I didn't
want to go back, but I did. But it didn't have to stay
for long after that. We only had three weeks left of work there before
we got to leave. I just made sure I was with Paul more often
and didn't stay down there by myself anymore, and went up to the Grandma's
house with him every day, stuck close with him. I still wasn't comfortable,
but at least I was with him and with other people instead of being
by myself down there at the guest house. That's what happened, basically.
That's my story, my experience. Wow, Donna, No one should never
have to experience anything like that. That is rough. If you've had a
Dogman encounter, I would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm
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guest on one of my two big Foot shows, please go to my Bigfoot
Sighting dot com. Your encounter happened while you and your husband Paul were staying
at that gar guest house in California. How far would you say that guest
house was from the nearest neighboring home, though probably acre of ground. I
think pretty much each home up there was on an acre or too. It
wasn't a gated community, but it was like a gaated community, and like
everybody had big gates and wrought iron gates. But there was probably an acre's
two in between each home. And then as you gradually went up the hill,
you know, it was windy, and then there'd be a home,
and then there'd be a place of just nothing but trees and orchards, and
then bend around a corner and there'd be another home back in the I'd say
about an acre at the least between each home, So if you had to
guess, you would say probably one hundred and fifty feet two hundred feet.
Then between the homes, no, I'd say about three hundred four four hundred
feet at least. Let's see Leroy is over here to my west, and
there's about three hundred and twenty feet long fence, so it would be they
would be further away from that house the next house over would have been further
then. My neighbor is from me, so I'm thinking three hundred to four
hundred feet and it would all be studded with trees and stuff. So that
guest house was pretty isolated. Then, Yeah, it was not near.
The main house was higher up and it was that one was probably about one
hundred hundred and fifty feet away, and they were not close together. They
had a lot of land, their backyards were big. It sounds like they
were. Yeah, I get that picture. Expensive place to live. Oh,
I'm sure it was if it had a guest home. That's a given.
Well, Donna, we're about out of time, and I've got tons
of questions for you to ask you about that experience. Would you be open
to coming back next week to do a part to you so I could ask
you those questions. Sure, no problem at all. Great, let's just
plan on doing that then. So I'll get back with you to get that
scheduled. We'll record that part two then. Yeah, we'll just hear that
next Friday night to nine pm Eastern time. Oh, that sounds very good.
I'll be happy to answer anything. I just want to help people,
and I hope that my little friend who had that experience. I hope to
God that she hears this show so that she can know and stop to think
about maybe she should contact you after all. Well, there's no pressure for
her to do that, but if she does reach out to me, I'd
be more than happy to try and help her however I could, so if
she thanks listening, please remember that. Having said that, Donna, thanks
again so much for coming on and sharing this experience with us, And like
we've already established, we'll be back next week Friday night, nine pm Eastern
time for part to you to throw all those questions at you, but thanks
against so much for your time and have a great night.