1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:29,760 At a book. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show 2 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:34,159 without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an option. To 3 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:42,239 find out how, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's 4 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,359 guest is Donna Huff. Donna, Welcome to the show. Thank you, 5 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:51,120 it's a pleasure to be here. Well, it's great having you. Thank 6 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:55,879 you for your time. Donna, please give us a brief bio on yourself. 7 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:04,000 Okay, I'm a woman my sixties, and I love all kinds of 8 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,039 animals, every animal in the world. And I've had a pretty much a 9 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:15,719 lifetime of different types of paranormal experiences, and so because of that, I 10 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:22,439 kind of got used to them and basically had no fear of most things. 11 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:29,120 Of course, until this happened. This was entirely different. And that's why 12 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:34,560 I just decided to reach out to you, because you had helped so many 13 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:38,599 other people, and I thought it was time for me to reach out. 14 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:45,840 This was different, not something I could just deal with like any other thing. 15 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,680 It sure was different. Yeah, I mean, life can prepare you 16 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,800 for pretty much almost anything, but having experience like this, yeah, you're 17 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,199 definitely never prepared for it, So that's understandable. Donnie. You're living in 18 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:02,800 Arizona now, but you're living in a property in California where you had your 19 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:08,919 encounter. What can you tell us about that property. Well, the area 20 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:16,479 where I live now is in Arizona and it's very rural. But the experiences 21 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:27,439 that happened back in two thousand was actually where we had left our property here 22 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:34,360 to do a job for a man that lived in southern California, and we 23 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:38,319 spent six months living there, even though we still had our place in Arizona. 24 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:46,280 We spent six months living there. So that's actually where it happened. 25 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:53,280 And it was a part of southern California that is actually secluded in comparison to 26 00:03:53,560 --> 00:04:00,080 a lot of southern California because there's a lot of orchards there. Primarily they 27 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,520 are avocado orchards, So even though you do have suburbs near each other there, 28 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,759 it's choppy. There's a house, a lot of orchards, and then 29 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:14,919 a house and a lot of orchards, that kind of thing. So that's 30 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:17,639 kind of like the geographic description of the area. And it's hilly. It's 31 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,360 in the upper hills, it's not down in the Valley, and it's not 32 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:28,160 along the beaches. It's inland, and it's right along the edge of the 33 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,240 mountains, the San Bernardino Mountains. The Los Angeles Mountain rags that area of 34 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:39,560 southern California, So it's not that far from the mountains. And that's basically 35 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,680 the geographical description that I can give. Yeah, sounds like a beautiful area. 36 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:47,079 It's just a shame you have to have an experience like the one that 37 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:51,040 you're going to tell us about tonight. You still wonder to this day of 38 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:55,759 what you experienced years ago. Was a dog mean that paid you an unwanted 39 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:59,519 visit or some kind of a haunting, which one would be worse than your 40 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:08,480 opinion, though, dog man, dog man, without a doubt, that's 41 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:14,439 the worst. That's That's why when I realized that's what it was, that 42 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:24,000 I could cope with a hunted house as terorrizing as it was, I could 43 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:30,160 always say my prayers and this dog man would be worse, way worse. 44 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:34,519 Yeah, I figured you would answer it that way. What kind of an 45 00:05:34,519 --> 00:05:38,480 effect does the encounter you're going to tell us about tonight it had in your 46 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:47,240 life? Donna? Since I recognized that actually was dog man, I have 47 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:56,199 had a real hard time. It actually did a lot. It affected me 48 00:05:56,319 --> 00:06:00,879 because we go in and out of denial, like, no, that's not 49 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:09,160 what it was. But then I had to finally contact you because I knew 50 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:13,199 that you were very experienced, that you knew and if it wasn't dog Man, 51 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,000 you would tell me, Oh, no, Donna, yeah you're right, 52 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,279 it wasn't that, but you validated that, Yeah it was one of 53 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:26,160 these guys, all right. But even before you verify to me, for 54 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:31,079 my own mind, I couldn't process that. I would go back and forth. 55 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,920 I would go from no, that wasn't what it was to yeah, 56 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:42,240 that's the only thing it could have been. And thinking that, like I 57 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,959 said, a haunting would be so much better to just say, oh, 58 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,839 there's a haunted house hundreds and hundreds of miles from here, and I never 59 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:53,720 have to go back there ever again. But that's not the case. It's 60 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:58,240 something else, and it's something that can be anywhere, anytime on the planet, 61 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:05,920 anywhere, and that's not good. I mean, when I thought it 62 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:11,639 was just a haunted how hauntings, I was hundreds of miles away from it. 63 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,600 So I'm here and I could go outside at night look at the stars, 64 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:18,959 look at the beautiful moon. In the summertime, I could open my 65 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,600 windows at night and sleep at the windows all open. But then after I 66 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,279 realized what it was and that it could be anywhere anytime, and then I 67 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:33,079 don't go out. As soon as that sun peaks the top of the mountains 68 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,120 to the west of me, I am indoors and I do not got to 69 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,399 I don't care what noise I hear. I don't care what I don't go 70 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:46,040 outside for nothing till that sun rises in the morning. And I'd never sleep 71 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,600 with my windows open anymore. I have the screen, and then I have 72 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:55,800 like that hardware. It's not bars, but it's a caging type material that's 73 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,040 on my windows. So the cats cannot scratch and it out and go get 74 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,279 killed, right, But it would never stop a dog man from tearing the 75 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:09,759 window right out of the wall. And so I don't sleep with my windows 76 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,959 open anymore. Even though it gets I just open the windows to let the 77 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:18,360 breeze flow through at night and sleep peacefully. But now I have a higher 78 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:20,279 electric bill because I run the air conditioner in the summer at night. I 79 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:24,879 don't open my windows anymore at night, so I mean, if I just 80 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,240 shut the windows, I'm going to have to run the AC because here in 81 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:33,080 Arizona where I live, you can't sleep inside without the windows open at night 82 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,720 unless you have the AC on. And even though I live in the northern 83 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:41,080 part of Arizona where it actually snows in the winter, but it still gets 84 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:48,159 really hot in the summer and sometimes humid because of the monsoons that come in 85 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:52,879 this summer. So it's not comfortable at night in the summer if you don't 86 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,679 have the AC on, if your windows are closed. So I can't sleep 87 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:05,759 with the windows open anymore. And I just make sure all the drapes are 88 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,639 shut up. I can't see out, nothing can see in. So I 89 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,559 mean, it's put a fear in me. It's put a definite fear in 90 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:22,879 my lifestyle. But since you told me when we talked the seven word mantra, 91 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,480 but it didn't want to hurt me, I say that out loud, 92 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:30,720 even I say it in my mind, and I say it out loud, 93 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,600 that helps a lot because it so easily could have hurt me, but it 94 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:45,639 didn't. I was right within its grips and it didn't. So I would 95 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:52,399 say it affected me a lot. As far as lifestyle choices, if I 96 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,080 have an appointment a town with somebody and their doctor or whatever, and they 97 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,480 say we're going to schedule it for four o'clock, I'll say, Nope, 98 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,320 can't do it because it means I'll be driving home in the dark. Won't 99 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,639 do it. Won't drive home in the dark, won't pull into my property 100 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,279 at night, get out of the car and walk from the car to Nope, 101 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,440 not doing it. I'm not. Yeah, lifestyle choices have changed a 102 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,200 great deal. And I've never been afraid of the wildlife out here, whatever 103 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,759 there might be out there. I don't worry that I'm going to get hurt 104 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:26,000 by the local coyote group or not. I mean, I just know it 105 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,480 has changed a lot of the way I live or choose to do things. 106 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,440 I can understand how it would change the way you live your life. But 107 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:39,360 please do remember those seven metric words that I told you. In as long 108 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,200 as you remember them and keep seeing them to yourself, that will definitely help 109 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,320 snap you back to reality. So you can deal with this in a healthy 110 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:52,000 way. But if you're ready now, and there's no rush to do it. 111 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:54,360 But like I said, if you're ready to tell us about your encounter. 112 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,240 Now, please do so give us every last detail that comes to mind. 113 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:09,000 Okay, Well, it all started when Paul accepted a job offer, 114 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:18,159 and this was going to be in southern California and we lived in northern Arizona, 115 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,480 and so it was not something we wanted to do, but it was 116 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:28,240 a really good, good pay and for that time era, maybe not so 117 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,679 much for the twenty twenty four, but for nineteen ninety nine it was really 118 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,720 good. And the idea was that we didn't want to go to work somewhere 119 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,759 where we were going to have to pay rent because they were gonna have to 120 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:41,240 be there for six months. But the man said, okay, but we 121 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,759 got this guest house and you can stay in the guest house the whole time, 122 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:50,000 so you can stay right on the job site and the pay will be 123 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:54,120 the same everything. So I wasn't working, Paul didn't have anything going on 124 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,799 at the time, so it was like, yeah, let's do this. 125 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:05,120 So we went there. It was November of nineteen ninety nine, and we 126 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:11,399 had Thanksgiving and the very following Sunday we took off and went there so that 127 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:20,320 we could start work on Monday. Them very Monday after Thanksgiving. So we 128 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,279 had like a Volkswagen hippie van that we used to like to travel around in, 129 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,440 and it was set up really nice in there, with a really good 130 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:31,840 bed and certain creature comforts in there. It was really cool and anyway, 131 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,200 so we drove in it and we went over there, and we got there 132 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:41,279 and it was a really nice area with a lot of homes up there that 133 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,440 were it was in the heights, so it was really nice, nice homes 134 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,639 up there, but there were spaced far apart from each other, and there 135 00:12:52,720 --> 00:13:01,600 was like avocado orchards everywhere and hilly areas, and it was up in the 136 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,360 hills, not up in the mountains, but it was on the hills before 137 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:09,440 you get up to the mountain range. And it was very beautiful. And 138 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,879 the guest house was, oh my god, it was. I should have 139 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,759 been happy, because if I had a million dollars or a billion dollars to 140 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:18,639 build my dream, I would build it just like that guest house, and 141 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,639 I would put the landscaping and everything like it was, because it was just 142 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,120 like a fairy tale land, beautiful flowers and nasturians along the trails, and 143 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:31,320 oh gosh, it was gorgeous and you never felt like you were near a 144 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:37,360 city because it was so secluded. But I was real happy. Guesthouse was 145 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:43,200 so nice. So we got there on that Sunday and we got everything ready 146 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,440 and moved into the guest house, wanting to go to bed early that night, 147 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,799 because you know how it is if you're going to start a new jobs 148 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,960 next morning, you want the boss of man to be impresso. Paul was 149 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:01,799 all about doing the best he could. He was a good work so he 150 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,039 needed to get to bed, and so we went to bed and middle of 151 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:11,360 the night, I look up in terror like I have never known. I 152 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:16,519 have never known this terror, this level where I couldn't even breathe. I 153 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,559 mean, I was being suffocated like I had an elephant on my chest, 154 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:26,559 and I was like shook into the very core and I was like just praying, 155 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Oh, Lord, Lord Jesus like you you know, all the prayers 156 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,720 in the world wasn't taking that terror out of me. And I thought, 157 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,720 Okay, this is okay, this is a passing thing, and I'm going 158 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:39,480 to be okay. And I didn't understand, and I thought, if I 159 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,159 having a heart attack, is this what a heart attack feels like? But 160 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:46,440 you know, I decided to just stay calm. I didn't want to disturb 161 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,159 Paul. He was sleeping peacefully. So I just finally got to where I 162 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,679 could rest and fall back to sleep, and then I couldn't sleep for more 163 00:14:54,759 --> 00:15:01,679 than ten minutes and I'd get shook awoke again with this, just this. 164 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,759 I can't even there isn't even a word, you know, you need a 165 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,960 new word for the word terror, because there's no word that I can think 166 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,440 of that could describe what it felt like. And it was all there was 167 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,679 again, right, everything all over me again, and I was like, 168 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,200 this is what is happening? What is happening? And I felt like, 169 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:24,440 okay, there is a demon in this house. It has to be some 170 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:26,840 demonic thing in this house. This house is a demon I saw because you 171 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:33,200 know my background thinking everything that goes bump in the night that's evil to this 172 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,360 degree is from hell. It's not just a wandering spirit or a ghost. 173 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:43,559 This is beyond any ghostly anything I've ever So I'm thinking this is a haunted 174 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,200 house with a haunt and I'm like, oh gosh, you know, and 175 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:52,159 I'm just praying. And then I finally got to sleep that night. But 176 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,799 then about two or three in the morning. I can't remember. I don't 177 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,799 think I even looked the clock, but it was after i'd gone to sleep 178 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:02,279 and finally was starting to sleep and getting good sleep. All of a sudden, 179 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:06,559 Paul and I both we woke up by rapping on the windows and rattling 180 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:10,919 of the doors. And the doors of the guest house were like the kind 181 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,120 that opened. There's two doors together, and I think they're called French doors. 182 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,279 There's two doors together, and they have all these window panes in them, 183 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,000 and they're really cool windows and they open up. Both doors will open 184 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,840 up, or just one and all these window panes. And it was rattling 185 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,279 like someone had a hold of the doorknob, just shaking and shaking violently, 186 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,600 just violently. And we're laying there and Paul said, just stay in bed, 187 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,559 just stay there. And I don't know if he had some thin in 188 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:45,200 his head, like a plan if something broke through, like a person broke 189 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,480 through there, if he had a plan in mind of like if there was 190 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,440 going to be an invasion or something. I mean, he had a lot 191 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,080 of experience in survival at Vietnam, so I was thinking, Okay, it's 192 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,000 gonna be okay, and I was praying for protection for whatever it was, 193 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:04,680 and it just rattling and rattling, and then there was windows next to the 194 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:11,319 bed that were kind of you know, magical storybook window types that opened out 195 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,079 and to the beautiful rose bushes and voganvilia and it was really magical. But 196 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:21,079 there was tapping, and we had the miniblinds pulled down, and I was 197 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,240 like, well, what could get through all those bushes to get up to 198 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,519 the window to start tapping on the window. And we just went okay, 199 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:33,440 we're just gonna lay here, and finally it stopped, and it was like, 200 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:37,160 that was so crazy. That was just so crazy, and we're like, 201 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,039 okay, it doesn't make sense that a person would, you know, 202 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,160 come from the main road and walk down the hill down to where the guest 203 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,400 house was just to pick on people. I mean, I don't even know 204 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,000 how many people would haven't even known it was there, but because it was 205 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:57,519 secluded in the trees. But anyway, that just freaked me out. So 206 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:03,440 the next day went around our business. The day went pretty good, and 207 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:08,160 that night when we went back to bed, it happened again. So all 208 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,599 of a sudden, I feel like there's an elephant, and I'm thinking this 209 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:15,880 horrid, terrible, terrible, I can explain this fear. And then there's 210 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,000 all the rattling and banging on the doors and terrible rattling and shaking, and 211 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:25,240 I was like in shock that the panes in the glass didn't break and the 212 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:32,400 tapping on the window and it would like just again. We just laid there 213 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:37,000 and then we talked about it, and I said, you know what, 214 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,759 Paul, this house is haunted. This house has to be haunted. And 215 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,200 he agreed with me in that, because you know, Paul had enough experiences 216 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,440 that he was like, Okay, yeah, that could very well be. 217 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:51,440 So I said, can we just sleep in the van? Sure? So 218 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,680 the next night we slept in the van and we would take advantage of the 219 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,720 creature comforts of the cabin during the day, but at night we would go 220 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:04,640 into the van to do our sleeping. Well, so it would have been 221 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,359 the second morning, so the second morning that we're there, which I guess 222 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:15,279 would have been Tuesday morning maybe. Yeah. Anyway, so the boss man 223 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,039 was walking by. I don't want to say his name because he's a pretty 224 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:23,519 prominent name. So he came walking by and he looked oddly at me, 225 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:26,839 and he said, did you sleep in your van? And I was like 226 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:33,559 yes, and he was, well, is there anything wrong with the guest 227 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,599 house? Is it too cold in there? Do you need more blankets? 228 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:41,519 Do you need a heater? And I said no, no, it's fine, 229 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:44,799 It's just you know. He said, well, why are you sleeping 230 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:48,440 in your van? Then I didn't want to say it, but finally I 231 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,960 was like, you know what I got to tell him, So I said, 232 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:02,680 well, the guest house is haunted. It's haunted. He looked at 233 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,880 me, but the way he looked at me was not like in surprise, 234 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,200 like whoa you know, It wasn't like that. What I could gather was 235 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:17,119 that he'd heard that before. And he said to me, well, didn't 236 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,440 my wife tell you? Because his wife wasn't there anywhere around at the time 237 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,240 for different reasons. But anyway, he said, did she tell you what 238 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:29,440 happened in that house? And I said no, nobody talked to me about 239 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,519 the house at all. And he said huh, okay, all right, 240 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,519 and then he went on about his business like okay, whatever. But what 241 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,079 I gathered from that was the way he acted was that he probably heard stories 242 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,880 from her, but because it was his wife. He probably just disregarded it 243 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,599 and thought, oh, well whatever, But now hearing it from an outsider 244 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,240 made him stop, you know. He gave him pause to stop and say, 245 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:02,960 huh, what is you know, because he was not shocked to hear 246 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:08,200 somebody say that guest house is haunted. Well, later on that afternoon, 247 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:14,160 the son and daughter in law have come to visit, and later on the 248 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,960 afternoon, the daughter in law introduced herself to me and everything, and he 249 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,880 says, she says, oh, by the way, boss Man told me. 250 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,240 She doesn't call him boss man, I do. By the way, 251 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,880 boss Man told me that you told him about the guest house, that the 252 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,759 guest house was haunted. And I said, yeah, I told him. 253 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,279 And she said wow. She said, is it like you You're so terrified 254 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:37,119 you can't breathe, like something's on your chest. And I'm like yeah. 255 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,480 And she goes in the doors rattling stuff and I'm like, yeah, exactly, 256 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,279 and she goes, wha man. She goes, yeah, I can't 257 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:48,440 sleep in there. When we come to visit, we can't stay in there. 258 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,240 We stay at the main house. And daughter can't either. Their daughter 259 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:55,160 when she comes, she won't stay in there. We won't stay in that 260 00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:00,839 guest house. And I'm like, okay. So then I'm thinking, so 261 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,559 the guest house is haunted. So I wasn't wrong. There is something about 262 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:07,599 that and they know it. So I thought, well, there it is. 263 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:12,880 So I just went on thinking I was connected to a haunted house and 264 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,720 that we were staying in a haunted house. That's what I thought. And 265 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:25,319 all the time I would take advantage of in the daytime because I was writing, 266 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:27,599 and I would go in there and sit down at the table to write. 267 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,680 Well, Paul would go up the hill to the Grandma's house where most 268 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,880 of the work was. He would go up there and be working, and 269 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,720 unless he needed me for some specific things, I would stay down below and 270 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:47,039 I would do my writing, and I, you know, would just be 271 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,839 staying there at the guest house during the day and I would try to take 272 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,519 walks in the orchards and stuff, but they would be tapping even in the 273 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,880 day. And a lot of those southern California houses, when they're on the 274 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,359 hills area, they're built off of a slope. So the way this was 275 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:10,119 was that the front part of the house where you come up the road and 276 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,119 you come up to it. It's kind of up on a level, but 277 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,880 if you're on the outside of the cabin, you have to walk downhill to 278 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,160 the back of the cabin because it's built up above the ground on I don't 279 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,079 know what you call that, but I'm sure people are familiar with that when 280 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,359 the whole house is not on level ground. So the bedroom windows and the 281 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:37,480 kitchen and bathroom windows were up high. The front windows were average ground level 282 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,240 style windows, but to the back the windows were up high. So I 283 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:48,559 never had a problem with leaving those windows open for air and ventilation, the 284 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,640 bathroom window and the kitchen window. But I would be sitting at the table 285 00:23:53,079 --> 00:24:00,680 at the kitchen area doing my writing and stuff and some book keeping style work 286 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,599 and stuff that I could do, you know, of my own, and 287 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:10,440 then there'd be some rattling at the door and some tapping on the glass, 288 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,960 and I would totally ignore it because I knew who was home and who wasn't, 289 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:21,880 and I knew that the boss man wasn't there, and daughter wasn't there, 290 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,559 a son in law and daughter in law weren't anywhere around, and nobody 291 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:26,599 should be doing that, and I wasn't going to go checking it out. 292 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,240 But when it would stop and I would go have to go around and pass 293 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:36,279 those doors so I could go around to get to the bathroom area. I 294 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,079 had to walk by there, and there was a slobber on the window. 295 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,440 Slobber's all over the glass, and I'll be like, what's with this slobber? 296 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,519 And I opened the door and look, and it would be up high, 297 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,519 like I'm five foot two, and I would have to like stand and 298 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,599 stretch and reach my hand up as high as I could touch the top of 299 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,839 the front doorframe. So somebody would have to be pretty tall to get slabber 300 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,240 up there on the class so high up, and I was like, what 301 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,160 is this slob like mucus stuff? And then I thought, oh, I've 302 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,039 heard of ectoplasm. Maybe it's ectoplasm. That's what I thought. I had 303 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:14,279 to come up with an idea, you know, of what it could be 304 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,359 because I was trying to figure it out. And since it's a haunted house, 305 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,119 why not be ectoplasm. So that's what I was thinking. So then 306 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,720 I would clean the window and go back to what I was doing. And 307 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:34,640 this happened all the time. It kept happening, and then oh, another 308 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,839 thing that would happen was when I'd be there in the back of my head, 309 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,839 I would hear this voice, this was inside my head, and it 310 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,119 would say turn around, and I wouldn't. I think, well, I 311 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,799 don't know where that came from. And I guess you would kind of call 312 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:57,279 that mind speak, but I'm not sure. I couldn't be positive of that. 313 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:06,240 But then it would go, there is someone standing behind you, turn 314 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,759 around, look at me, and I'd be like, oh my god. 315 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,480 Every hair on the back of my neck would stand up and I'd get a 316 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,920 chill down my back, and I'm like, oh my god, oh god, 317 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240 that's just I mean, that's just that's just no, no, no, 318 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,200 no, no, no, I can't. I just can't. But 319 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:26,960 I thought, okay, okay, ghosts, okay, ghosts. Yeah, 320 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:30,200 yeah, yeah, whatever. I'm not turning around. I'm not going to 321 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,079 listen to that. But it can't happen every day, several times a day, 322 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,960 every single day. And it especially would happen when I would go into 323 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,039 the bathroom anyway. So it was even to the point where if you had 324 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:45,200 to go to the restroom in the middle the not you would hold it and 325 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,640 I would go in in the day when we want up in the morning i'd 326 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,559 go because I didn't even want to leave the van to go inside to use 327 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:53,880 the restroom. Make sure you gotta get your body and done before we hit 328 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,680 the van. Yeah, it was so bad. But anyway, so every 329 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:03,079 day Paul would come back and I would show him the slobbery on the window, 330 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,039 and you just kind of go, you know, with this tongue in 331 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,599 his cheekling. Oh, like he's trying to figure out it too, you 332 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,680 know, like, well, somebody's doing it. But I thought, well, 333 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,720 we don't know. But when I would grow up, I would want 334 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,759 to go for a walk in the beautiful orchard and there was like the trail 335 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:29,039 with the asturtians growing on either side and wildflowers and just beautiful. But I 336 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,920 always felt like I was being followed. But they had a little bulldog, 337 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,079 kind of a little bulldog named Rocky that was not a big pit bull type 338 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,200 but kind of a smaller version of a pit bull. But when Rocky would 339 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,359 walk with me, I felt like it was okay. And you know, 340 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,400 Rocky hung out a lot with me when I was there and made it nicer. 341 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,920 And they had all kinds of cats, but their cats and Rocky would 342 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,839 disappear she'd get a cat. They loved animals too, and the daughter and 343 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,440 I would come and she'd bring a cat, and her cat would just disappear. 344 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,920 There were several of them, feral Diablo, Oblio, baghera monkey, 345 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,799 serv I mean, there was a Dolpha was a beautiful calico. And they 346 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:22,000 would just disappear, and you would go looking for him, and they wouldn't. 347 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,440 They were just gone and they never showed up again. And eventually the 348 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:30,079 little dog Rocky disappeared, and nobody ever knew what happened to Rocky, and 349 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,440 that was just kind of a mystery. Oh and there was a cat Paul 350 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,680 named the cat eighty three. He said it took eighty three cats to get 351 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,079 that cat with all those colors. So, yeah, all these animals were 352 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:47,920 disappearing without an explanation. And they said, oh, well, it's probably 353 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,359 coyotes. There might be coyotes in the orchard, or coyotes come down from 354 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:55,599 the heels. But I accepted that. I said, okay, yeah, 355 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,279 but where I live right now, we have coyotes and I have been woken 356 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:03,440 up in the dead of night from coyotes catching something. They are loud, 357 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:04,920 I mean, they're like, well, I never know. They go into 358 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,279 a frenzy and they are so loud, they're loud enough to wake the dead. 359 00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:12,599 And you would have thought that if it was coyotes getting their animals, 360 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:18,039 that you would have heard something. But never ever did we ever hear anything 361 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,799 or any signs of coyotes. But yet that was the accepted explanation for why 362 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:33,160 the animals disappeared. Anyway, So this went on and finally see people that 363 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:40,359 I know and I mean would tell me you could expel an evil spirit from 364 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640 a house. Well, that's true, and I believe that you can, 365 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:48,359 and I've had experiences doing that, but there is something that you have to 366 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,920 do and if you don't do it, And I don't want to get religious 367 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,359 on people, but it's right in their Bible. When a wandering spirit goes 368 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,759 wandering the earth looking for a house to move into, and it finds one 369 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,720 and it moves in. If you cast it out and you don't replace it 370 00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:08,400 with what needs to be replaced, then it will come back. When it 371 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,559 sees the house empty, it'll come back in and bring seven worse than it 372 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,000 was with it. And I've seen that played out in life. That was 373 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,480 something I didn't share with you earlier. But yeah, I have seen it 374 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,559 played out where something happened and the person didn't and then it got worse. 375 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,640 So there was no way that I was gonna even though I believed that at 376 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,680 the time it was an evil spirit, I was not going to cast it 377 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:36,160 out and then drive merrily home to Arizona, leaving these people with a sweat 378 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,440 clean place, if you know what I mean. So I was just going 379 00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:44,960 to tolerate it and just keep myself and Paul protected until we was all over. 380 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,880 And then when one day he said he's going to take that Saturday off 381 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,200 and we're gonna go somewhere and do something, and I was all happy. 382 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,240 And so the Friday night came and we were going to go out to eat 383 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,160 when he got done. So I went to get ready and be completely ready. 384 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,319 So when he got home, all he had to do was shower and 385 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:10,240 get ready. So I went into the bathroom, and the bathroom the window 386 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,640 was high up from the ground because it was towards the back of the house, 387 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:18,119 and so I always had that window open, and it was a wide 388 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,720 window that went up and down, so I had a stick basically to hold 389 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,640 it to keep it from falling. Closed, so I had it open because 390 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,960 it got stuffy in that bathroom. So when you first walk in the bathroom, 391 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,480 to your left is the counter mirror, a big long mirror, and 392 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,680 to the right is wall, nothing but wall, and the door bumps into 393 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,440 the wall. The space between the edge of the counter and the window basically 394 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:47,480 the width of a door, so it's it's a narrow area. So I 395 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,400 went in there, got my shower and stuff done. And when I got 396 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,480 out of the shower and I went to the mirror and I'm looking in the 397 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,319 mirror. You know, you're going to dry yourself off and comb your hair 398 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:06,240 and all that. I'm looking in the mire and there's these two huge werewoof 399 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:13,880 claws in the mirror. I was looking at that and trying to process it, 400 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,359 and I get nauseated. It I'm getting I'm literally getting nauseated right now 401 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:28,440 just even talking about it. But at the time being a believer in ghosts, 402 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,079 having a mindset this was a haunted house and nothing else. That's what 403 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:38,200 it is. Having that mindset. And I'm looking at the mirror and I'm 404 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,359 thinking, Okay, ghost, now you're gonna show me something inside the mirror. 405 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:46,759 And I'm thinking that to myself, and I'm like, I'm I'm but 406 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:55,160 I'm still I'm still befuddled. I'm confused, and I'm just trying to figure 407 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,759 this out. It's like, and I was thinking, my brain was saying, 408 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,119 this is inside of the mirror, and it looked like they were trying 409 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,599 to come out of the mirror and grab me. They were in that position, 410 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:19,480 two ungodly horrible werewolf hands when the risk, it just was like they 411 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,559 were coming and I thought they were coming out of the mirror, like they 412 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:28,480 were inside the mirror and another dimension like Alice in Wonderland falls in and out 413 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,759 of the mirror like that. I mean, I was literally thinking that way, 414 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,079 which is a crazy way to think, but that's literally what how I 415 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,440 was how my brain was processing this, that this thing is going to reach 416 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,960 out from inside of the mirror and grab me, And it was clearly wherewoof. 417 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,400 I mean, there's nothing else in the world that it could have been. 418 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,519 That's the only thing. That's the only thing it could be. There 419 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:59,720 was no other hands I've ever could and I didn't watch werewolf movies. I 420 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,880 saw The Wolf Man with Lon Cheney Junior. But that's about it for me. 421 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,320 For watching werewif movies, but I've still recognized that this can only be 422 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:13,719 wherewof that it just can't be anything else. And I'm looking at it and 423 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,039 I was like, Okay, what the world does a werewoff have to do 424 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:21,119 with a haunting? This doesn't make sense. This just doesn't make sense. 425 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,000 How can I mean? Oh yeah, what? And I'm like, what 426 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,440 is the Is the spirit trying to tell me? Are they sending me a 427 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,199 message? Wait? Maybe they maybe they need help. Maybe they're one of 428 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,920 these spirits that's haunting trying to get answers or help maybe you know. And 429 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,679 I'm going through all these questions in my head because that's just what my head 430 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,480 was doing, and I was thinking about what in the world what message would 431 00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:49,920 come from werewoof? I mean, what does this have to do with anything? 432 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,199 This is completely bizarre. What the heck? And I was just tripping 433 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:01,599 on it. I was just what I I'm just stuttering and stammering and looking 434 00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:05,639 at it and trying to process it and thinking, how can this be? 435 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,199 I guess there really can be things in another dimension through the mirror, through 436 00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:14,639 the looking glass. Maybe maybe When Lewis Carroll wrote Alison Wonderland, there was 437 00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,760 something do that. This is still how I'm thinking. I'm still thinking that 438 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:25,920 way, but I hear the van. I I come out of the bathroom 439 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,519 and Paul's coming down. He comes in and I'm going to show him, 440 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:35,760 and it's not there. And I'm trying to explain it to Paul and he's 441 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,000 like, okay, okay, I don't know. I don't know, and 442 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:43,880 I'm sitting like, well, I'm I'm I don't want to leave you. 443 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,159 I don't I want to be So I stayed there in the bathroom while he 444 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,760 took a shower because I didn't want to leave his side. I didn't want 445 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,360 to go out and sit out. I didn't want to be away from him. 446 00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,000 So at that point I thought, this is too much. This is 447 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:06,760 just too much. And I was so scared and frantic that I told Paul, 448 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,039 I said I can't stay here anymore. I got to go home. 449 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,639 And he was very understanding and he said, okay, that's fine that you 450 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,199 know you don't have to stay. So at that point, you know, 451 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,480 when I talked to you before, I said bus. I don't know why 452 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,440 I said bus. My brother and I have a joke about one time I 453 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,719 called Jack Nicholson Robin Williams by accident. Well, I told you, I 454 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,159 got on a bus. It wasn't it was an Amtrak. So Paul took 455 00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,760 me down to the station. I got on the train and came back to 456 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,920 Arizona. And I was happy. I missed him, but I was so 457 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,480 happy. I was never so glad to be away from a place in my 458 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:49,599 life. I could breathe easy, I was I just felt safe at home. 459 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,559 Everything was fine. But then after a few days the boss man called 460 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:58,400 me and said, please come back because we need you. Paul needs you 461 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,480 here. There's aspects of the job that we need you to do. And 462 00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:08,199 Paul isn't focusing well without you here. He's worried about you. And I'm 463 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,320 like, okay. So he talked me into coming back, and I didn't 464 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,719 want to, but I did. Got back on the train, went back 465 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,840 and I finished up, and we got done in the middle of May two 466 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,840 thousand. So we started in the November of nineteen ninety nine and finished in 467 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:31,280 May of two thousand and got all the loosings, caught up and took off 468 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,880 and came home. And I was so happy. And I never ever, 469 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,800 ever, ever, ever ever wanted to ever, ever, ever go back 470 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:44,599 there again ever. So time goes on and I'm thinking, you know, 471 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,119 I tell my brother and a few other people about the crazy haunted house and 472 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,639 blooh, that's weird everything. Well, I had a friend a few years 473 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,199 later. You have this friend, and what we would do is sometimes that 474 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,159 Halloween we'd all get together. This one Halloween she came here. Now we're 475 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,480 back in Arizona and our property in Arizona, and this friend of mine brought 476 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:14,800 her daughter and son in law. And since we're remote everything, we could 477 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,199 build a fire and roast marsh mills and all that. So we're doing that 478 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,719 and we decided to sit around the campfire and tell ghostly stories because it's Halloween, 479 00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,559 but we have to be true. So we each told a story, 480 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,280 and then her son in law, we said, well, do you have 481 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,599 a story, and he said, well, I don't have a ghost story, 482 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:37,599 but something weird did happen to me once, and so we're like, 483 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,440 we'll just tell us. So he didn't want to, but finally he said, 484 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,320 okay, okay. So he lived in Louisiana. As a kid, 485 00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:49,599 he went as a boy scout to a camping trip and one night he had 486 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,800 to get up and go to the restroom. He got out of his tent 487 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,039 and he went, and then when he came back, there was a wherewiff 488 00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:01,679 standing there, just standing there, looking at him. And to this day, 489 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,599 I wish that I would have drilled him. I wished I would have 490 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,920 asked all kinds of more questions. But we were all stunned because this was 491 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,159 a true story. He was supposedly telling us a true story. And we 492 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,559 were like, well, that's it for tonight. Nobody's ever going to top 493 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:22,760 that one. You won the prize. And then somehow or other we wound 494 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,119 up talking about other things. But now I wish I would have asked him 495 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,119 a lot of more questions, but at the time I didn't. I was 496 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:37,400 just stunned that anybody ever had something like that happen. Well, then what 497 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:44,000 happened was time went by, you know, Fast forward now to twenty twenty. 498 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,760 Paul passes away, Fast forward to about twenty one. Sometime in that 499 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:58,039 and a dear friend who I've known since she is a child. I know 500 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:05,239 this woman and she is very upstanding, an honest Christian mother. She's got 501 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,559 a grandchild. Now she's not Nats anyway, I get a message from her, 502 00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:15,480 don I need to talk to somebody, and you're the only one I 503 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,800 can talk to. I think that nobody else will believe me, but I 504 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:24,480 got to talk to somebody about something that happened. So she knows me who 505 00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:28,920 I am. So I'm like, okay, sure you can tell me anything. 506 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:35,559 I'll understand. And I'm expecting her to say she saw Bigfoot or she 507 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:42,000 saw a UFO or something like that. And she says, I was stocked 508 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:49,800 by a ware wolf. And I'm like, are you sure she's I was 509 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,159 stocked by a ware wolf. So I was like, it's okay, it's 510 00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:59,599 okay. I believe you. I don't know what happened. I don't know 511 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,199 what a wold. I don't know how to explain it, but I believe 512 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:07,559 you. And I told her, I'll pray for you. I'll always pray 513 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,800 for you. I'll pray for you, I'll pray for your family forever. 514 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:15,960 I love you, guys, and I believe you. And that was that, 515 00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:22,239 and it really troubled me, really troubled me because I know now there's 516 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,880 two stories. Now Connie's son in law has told me a story, and 517 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,760 now she's told me a story my good friend, and I'm like, something's 518 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,559 to this. Well I didn't. It bothered me a lot, but I 519 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,880 was thinking, well, thank god I never saw anything like that. Thank 520 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,679 God I had other experiences, but I thank god that didn't happen to me. 521 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:52,639 So what happened was I kept thinking about that, you know, I 522 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,960 kept thinking about what happened to her, and it was really really troubling me, 523 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:04,320 but I couldn't get it out of my mind. So then I was 524 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,199 actually a moderator on another Facebook page for somebody that was a sasquatch page, 525 00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:13,719 and I really enjoyed that, but people kept talking about dog Man and I'm 526 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,760 like, what are they talking about dog Man? This is crazy, And 527 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,760 so I started researching it and it brought me to vic kind of dog band 528 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,440 radio encounters, and I'm like, oh, okay, let's check this thing 529 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:31,159 out. And I started listening to his stories that people would on your podcast, 530 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,000 and I was like, what, Oh my goodness, is this what 531 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,159 she saw? Is this what he saw in Louisiana? Is this what she 532 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,199 saw she lived in the southern part of Arizona. I'm like, this is 533 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,519 what she saw, and that's what this has to be what they saw. 534 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:52,119 So this thing is real. This is real, and I wanted to call 535 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,679 her and tell her to contact you. So I did get in touch with 536 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,639 her, and I said, I need to call you, and she said 537 00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:02,159 okay. So I called her and I asked her about how she was doing, 538 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,119 and she just told me that she was doing okay, and that she 539 00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:10,480 said she thought about it and she thought, yeah, that couldn't be real. 540 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,840 So her family had talked to her about get in touch with somebody about 541 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,960 it, and she went to a therapist and they said, well, yeah, 542 00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:27,960 you're having hallucinations, and they just diagnosed her with having hallucinations. And 543 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,039 that just broke my heart because by this time I know that what she saw 544 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,400 was very real, and now she's under the care of some you know, 545 00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:43,360 medical thing, the mental thing, and that just broke my heart because I 546 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,559 didn't feel at that time she was ready for me to push her to think 547 00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:52,199 that no, it really was real. So I just kind of let that 548 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:58,960 go for the time being, and I continued to listen to your podcasts. 549 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:04,679 Oh. I forgot to mention though back after this happened, I drew those 550 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,840 hands, those wrewiff hands. I kept drawing them I couldn't stop drawing and 551 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,920 my drama over and over and over, trying to get just right so I 552 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,360 could show Paul this is what they were, No, this is a little 553 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,840 off. I got a draw them again, and I kept obsessing on drawing 554 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:23,320 them. Anyway back to the two thousands now, So about a while back, 555 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:28,679 I was listening to all your past podcasts, listening to all these people, 556 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,320 and a girl came on there on one of them, and she's talking 557 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,760 about stuff that happened to her. And this girl is talking about stuff that 558 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:44,880 happened right around the year two thousand and all the stuff she's talking about it 559 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:52,079 kind of resonates with my own experience with so called haunting. And she starts 560 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:57,360 talking about where this happened. And when she says where it happened, as 561 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,519 I told you, I don't want to give the city name up because I 562 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:06,519 can expose some people to possible ridicule, and I don't want to do that. 563 00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:09,480 But I will say those two cities are so close to each other that, 564 00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,840 like I said, you could spit from one town to the next, 565 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,280 and it's almost like part of the border goes through an avocado orchard, Like 566 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,639 there's the border of this and that, and you could put one foot in 567 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,760 that town and one foot in this town, and they were so connected that 568 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,119 it was hard to tell where one started and where one stopped. And when 569 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:37,760 I realized that everything that happened to her happened at the same time and the 570 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:44,159 same basic vicinity that my it just hit me. Just hit me in the 571 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,440 gut. I will oh like that and just grabbed my gut because I realized, 572 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,920 oh no, oh no, oh no, holy wellly Macaroni. That's 573 00:45:52,960 --> 00:46:00,119 when I knew that was the windows, the slobbery, And that's when it 574 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:05,360 hit me. It just hit me, like, oh, my gosh, 575 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,039 my brain is ready to say that was in the window, not the mirror. 576 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,079 Of course, it was in the mirror, because the mirror was reflecting 577 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:16,119 what was in the window, just as sure as the mirror was reflecting me 578 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:23,440 standing there, it was reflecting those claws reaching in through the window within inches 579 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:28,280 of the back of it could have just grabbed me and yanked me out of 580 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:35,119 that window so fast it just dug its terrible claws deep in my flesh and 581 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,519 yanked me out. And that's when I realized, Holy all this time, 582 00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:45,840 it was real. It was it was. You know, that's what mirrors 583 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,400 do. Mirrors don't show you what's inside the mirror moving around in the mirror. 584 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,880 Mirrors show you what's on the outside of the mirror being reflected. That 585 00:46:54,119 --> 00:47:00,960 thing was right behind me that whole time, and that's when I realized that 586 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:08,719 everything came around, Everything that had never been closed came full circle, and 587 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:15,840 everything, all the pieces fit. Everything makes sense, everything that happened, 588 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,000 even the animals, the stuff when the I didn't tell you about, when 589 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,880 the plants would move around, just stuff that everything just said. I just 590 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:31,239 knew. And then I just sunk because I realized I thought I left all 591 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,000 that behind me, hundreds of miles away, in twenty years behind me, 592 00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:40,039 And now this is something that could be lurking anywhere. It's in Arizona, 593 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:46,880 it's in Norway, it's in Utah, it's in it's everywhere. Not just 594 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,920 it, but it's kind those kinds of things. Those dog men, they 595 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,239 are wherever they are. They could be in Florida, they could be in 596 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,199 anywhere. It could be in China. I mean, it doesn't matter. 597 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000 So you can't just pick up and move to a new location and be one 598 00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:06,519 hundred miles away. From where that one was and not expect to ever have 599 00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:14,039 them out there. They're out there, and that was like just I was 600 00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,000 ruined. I was just ruined, just like I couldn't cope with it. 601 00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:21,280 Of course, I talked to my brother, the only one I ever talked 602 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,760 to about stuff like this. I have two brothers, but the brother i'm 603 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,360 referring to his Bill, who lives in California, but he's always gives me 604 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,320 his support and his listening ear, and he's had his own share of experiences 605 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,960 in his life, but nothing like this. But oh my gosh, it 606 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,280 just killed me. But then I also knew I had been protected because it 607 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,920 didn't get me, but he wanted to, or maybe it didn't want to. 608 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,159 I don't know if they get a six satisfactor from scaring people. I 609 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:55,159 don't know if they're territorial and they're trying to scare people away from their territory, 610 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,679 or if they feed off of the human fear hormone that we I don't 611 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,320 know. But whatever it was that they do, whatever, I was ruined. 612 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,239 And now I can't imagine what my little friend went through being stalked by 613 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,800 one, When she was stocked by one, I can't imagine because what I 614 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,519 felt when I found out what really happened, what was really going on in 615 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,559 with that guest house, Yeah, that did it for me. But it 616 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,239 came full circle. And then when I talked to you the first time and 617 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,000 you said yeah, because I was still in denial, there was a piece 618 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:42,320 of me that wanted to say, oh, that was a haunting with wherewith 619 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,679 components like what haunting us? We're you know, that's just no, that's 620 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,920 kind of a just searching for anything, anything you can stick your hands on 621 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,239 or put your mind to that can push this and make this an impossibility. 622 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,280 But yet you know it happened. You know what it was. I know 623 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:07,679 those hands were reaching through that window, not inside the mirror. I was 624 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:14,000 real, and I just my brain just was not going to process it at 625 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,079 that moment. And I think I've read about and heard about our brains protecting 626 00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:22,519 us in certain times, not allowing us to comprehend certain things, not allowing 627 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:29,760 us to remember certain things as a protection, and I think that's what was 628 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,199 probably happening when my brain was saying, oh, look what's in the mirror? 629 00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:37,920 Look, my brain wasn't about to say, look what's in the window 630 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:43,679 behind you, just like the song kept saying, look behind you, there's 631 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,760 someone behind you, look behind you. And then it was like, yeah, 632 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,480 there's someone behind me, all right, and I left. I didn't 633 00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,400 want to go back, but I did. But it didn't have to stay 634 00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,559 for long after that. We only had three weeks left of work there before 635 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:05,920 we got to leave. I just made sure I was with Paul more often 636 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,440 and didn't stay down there by myself anymore, and went up to the Grandma's 637 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:17,239 house with him every day, stuck close with him. I still wasn't comfortable, 638 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,639 but at least I was with him and with other people instead of being 639 00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:29,599 by myself down there at the guest house. That's what happened, basically. 640 00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:34,800 That's my story, my experience. Wow, Donna, No one should never 641 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,840 have to experience anything like that. That is rough. If you've had a 642 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,760 Dogman encounter, I would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm 643 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,480 private or on the show, Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a 644 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,760 report. If you've had a big foot sighting and would like to be a 645 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,480 guest on one of my two big Foot shows, please go to my Bigfoot 646 00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:59,519 Sighting dot com. Your encounter happened while you and your husband Paul were staying 647 00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:02,280 at that gar guest house in California. How far would you say that guest 648 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:14,159 house was from the nearest neighboring home, though probably acre of ground. I 649 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,599 think pretty much each home up there was on an acre or too. It 650 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,880 wasn't a gated community, but it was like a gaated community, and like 651 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:30,079 everybody had big gates and wrought iron gates. But there was probably an acre's 652 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:35,199 two in between each home. And then as you gradually went up the hill, 653 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,440 you know, it was windy, and then there'd be a home, 654 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,480 and then there'd be a place of just nothing but trees and orchards, and 655 00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:45,840 then bend around a corner and there'd be another home back in the I'd say 656 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:51,360 about an acre at the least between each home, So if you had to 657 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,480 guess, you would say probably one hundred and fifty feet two hundred feet. 658 00:52:54,559 --> 00:53:00,480 Then between the homes, no, I'd say about three hundred four four hundred 659 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:07,159 feet at least. Let's see Leroy is over here to my west, and 660 00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:15,119 there's about three hundred and twenty feet long fence, so it would be they 661 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:20,920 would be further away from that house the next house over would have been further 662 00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,840 then. My neighbor is from me, so I'm thinking three hundred to four 663 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,039 hundred feet and it would all be studded with trees and stuff. So that 664 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:35,199 guest house was pretty isolated. Then, Yeah, it was not near. 665 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:42,079 The main house was higher up and it was that one was probably about one 666 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:47,199 hundred hundred and fifty feet away, and they were not close together. They 667 00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:53,239 had a lot of land, their backyards were big. It sounds like they 668 00:53:53,239 --> 00:54:00,719 were. Yeah, I get that picture. Expensive place to live. Oh, 669 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,239 I'm sure it was if it had a guest home. That's a given. 670 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,679 Well, Donna, we're about out of time, and I've got tons 671 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:13,039 of questions for you to ask you about that experience. Would you be open 672 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,039 to coming back next week to do a part to you so I could ask 673 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:22,079 you those questions. Sure, no problem at all. Great, let's just 674 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,960 plan on doing that then. So I'll get back with you to get that 675 00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:30,679 scheduled. We'll record that part two then. Yeah, we'll just hear that 676 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,199 next Friday night to nine pm Eastern time. Oh, that sounds very good. 677 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,800 I'll be happy to answer anything. I just want to help people, 678 00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:42,840 and I hope that my little friend who had that experience. I hope to 679 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,840 God that she hears this show so that she can know and stop to think 680 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,880 about maybe she should contact you after all. Well, there's no pressure for 681 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,920 her to do that, but if she does reach out to me, I'd 682 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,800 be more than happy to try and help her however I could, so if 683 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:05,119 she thanks listening, please remember that. Having said that, Donna, thanks 684 00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,320 again so much for coming on and sharing this experience with us, And like 685 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,320 we've already established, we'll be back next week Friday night, nine pm Eastern 686 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,440 time for part to you to throw all those questions at you, but thanks 687 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,199 against so much for your time and have a great night.