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all right, Bigfoft Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Kathy
tonight. Kathy is a listener and she contacted me regarding some things that have
happened to her over the years. I'm going to go ahead and give it
right over to Kathy, but thank you so much for for sharing tonight,
Kathy, You're very welcome. Jeremiah. I appreciate you having a platform that
allows somebody like me who's never talked about this to actually have the opportunity to
say something and just kind of validate what I went through, you know,
So thank you. I appreciate it absolutely. I feel it's very very important
to be able to give people a platform where they feel validated, safe to
speak about things without feeling like they're going to get ridiculed. But so,
Kathy, thank you so much for green to come on. I'll go ahead
and let you take it from here. Okay, Well, I guess the
first thing to say is I was born and raised in Montana. Forty three
years of my life, I spent from east to west, north to south,
literally four hundred miles as the crow flies east to west and three hundred
north to south. I've been all across Montana, living in different places,
working in different places, and kind of early in my life I ended up
in a little tiny town called Pony and that's at the base of Holotop Mountain
in the Tobacco Root Mountains. Okay, this is in the middle of nowhere.
Eighty some people was the actual amount of people that lived in that town.
So I was there in Abount ninety eight or ninety nine, okay,
And I traveled the same road back and forth to both of my jobs there
every single day except for one day of a week, basically, and just
one of these drives that I just noticed this huge, monstrous bull moose had
come down into the koolie right by this road because it runs by this creek
that feeds the whole koolie, so that stays green all year long, whether
there's no water anywhere else, that spot's got water and green. So he
showed up there, and so I just started paying it because the guy kept
being there and kept being there. And so one night I got home from
work and the other half was at the house and I said, Hey,
that moose. It's not dark yet, and that moose is right out there.
Let's go take a look. I'll show you because he wanted to see
him. So we jump in a Pontiac car and go driving down the road
and it's getting like half dark. You know, you could see shapes and
stuff, but you couldn't really see a lot of definition. So we went
down there and we're looking for him and could not see this moose and I
had just passed him like twenty minutes earlier, and he was just gone,
and so I was like, well, maybe tomorrow I'll see him on the
way. And the next day on the way to work, I saw horns,
is what I saw. Actually, I slowed down and I was really
looking, and all I saw was like these horns. Piet kind of popped
up from the grass and I went, oh, no, somebody shot that
moose. That's the first thing I thought is somebody had poached that moose and
just shot it. And anyway, I went to work and I felt awful,
but I went back home and told the other half again, you know,
I know what happened in that moose. Somebody probably shot it, and
he was rather upset about that. But so we get in the car again
and go down there, and this is when this happened. It was the
weirdest thing because there was a road a little just an access road right off
of the one that we were on. So we pulled in there, had
the lights on the car on, and he kind of swung it down into
that koolie so that the lights would go down to where I was trying to
show him where it was at and we saw it. We saw the horns
again, you know, sticking up out of the grass, and I said,
you know, I'm sure somebody probably shot that moose. And so we
were just kind of sitting there and on the I had the wind, we
had all the windows down because it was the middle of summer, and we're
just sitting there, and I started hearing something on the right hand side of
me coming up that koolie in that grass, and I'm like, well,
there's something down here. So we don't want to walk up on a moot.
I'm not on a bear, you know. I did not want to
walk up on a bear or something that was down there eating that moose.
So he backed the car back out into the highway and I looked over out
the window and there was this brown thing coming up the side of the hill
and I went, oh, it's a dog. And I'm because I saw
it would look short because it was this brown bear. And I'm like,
oh, it's a dog. And he's like, oh okay, and I
said, no, it's not a dog, it's a cow. Because it
kept coming up the hill and it was getting bigger and I could see this
brown and a second later this horrible stench just destroyed our car. It was
the most disgusting smell I've ever smelled. And I said it is a bear,
because I knew that a grizzly would do that roll in the garbage that
they're eating, and so I said it is a bear and he took off.
This thing was not a bear because it was running beside our car.
I could have reached out and touched it. And I'm looking at legs.
Now, that was the craziest thing. And I'm looking at these brownish gray
legs and brown hair, and it was beside us, and I could see
pads of feet. I could see this like brownish tank. It looked like
leather, brown feet bottoms. I could see these flashes as it was running,
and I told him go faster. I was just basically panicked at that
point because I'm seeing just legs beside me, and I'm just I'm not focusing
on anything else except for this thing could grab me right now. We're right
next to each other, and so he just took off as fast as that
car would go, and we basically on the drive home, We're been kind
of too much shock, and I was shaken like a leaf I was little,
really jello inside, and I just looked at him and I said,
did you see that? You know, because I wasn't sure if he had
seen what I had seen. And he said, I don't want to talk
about it. And I said, did you see that? What did you
see what I was looking at? And he said, I don't want to
talk about it. And Jeremiah, I thought about this for a long time.
I really did, and I'm like, why will he not talk to
me about this? But a long time getting to really know somebody. He
was a very he was a bully. Honestly, I'm not going to talk.
I don't want me talk about about anybody, but I need the backstory
here for his reaction. And I finally figured it out. He's always a
belligerent and a bully, you know. He was the big man, and
he always got his way or the highway. And that night was the only
light I ever seen him show fear. I never saw him show fear at
any other point in time. And this man was burned from head to toe.
He went through terrible things and he just gritted his teeth and buried it.
But he was scared to death that night. And I think that's why
he would never talk to me because that was the only time he ever showed
me absolute fear of something. You know, he wasn't the big man in
the woods. And so that was the first time something strange happened. And
that was over in the Tobaccoy Mountains and that was it was like three four
years later, we moved to another town north of Paradise Valley and hunted in
the Gallatin and Custern National Forest. We went to the Absolocus. We were
all over the place, Custer and sweet Grass all down through there. And
we actually took a hunting trip one day south of Livingston on the west side
of the Highway and that's the Custern National Forest area there and you can go
out there and hunt elk. So that's what we were doing. I had
a thirty at six, he had a two seventy, and we just went
out there and we're walking, parked the vehicle and we're walking. It was
the middle of the day. We're walking out there and I was about fifty
yards behind my ex husband, my husband at the time. I kept a
little distance because if he saw something, he would basically just freeze and then
I would freeze, you know, and that's how he wanted it. And
so I was about fifty months behind him, just trailing him, and I
kept hearing something behind me, and I kept saying, there's somebody or something
out here behind me, because every time you stop and I stop, I
hear something. Then it stops and then we go and I said, this
is really unnerving. I don't want to be this far away, and he
got annoyed with me, but he said, okay, So we kind of
kind of got to together down into these bottoms. You know, you got
the mountains up at the top, but then at the bottom they're pretty clear,
they're grassy areas, easy to get through and walk through. And so
I kept hearing that he and I said, why don't you go, you
know, behind me for a minute, and you might hear this. And
so we just kept walking and he said, yeah, I hear something,
but I'm not sure what it is. But it did not sound like an
animal. It just did not sound like an animal. It was just weird.
And as we're going along, all of a sudden, the brush to
the right of us just exploded and this huge cow moose came running just out
of those freaking bushes and right in front of us and just kept on going.
That thing acted like we did not even exist. And that was when
I said, Okay, I'm very uncomfortable with this situation. I don't care
what gun you have. There's something happening here because she didn't even look at
us, So something bigger than us is after her. You know, that's
my logic. I'm logical and rational. I'm thinking, if that thing ain't
even looking at us and being worried about it, there's something worse coming up
the hill. And I just get that horrible sick feeling like something very bad
is about to happen here. But we turned around. We turned around because
I did actually tell him I'm not going any further. I'm not going to
do that anymore. I'm not going to walk into a bear. And that's
what I kept thinking to myself, it's got to be a bear. I
always blame it on bears first and foremost, but that did not sound like
a bear that most just didn't seem like, you know, she even cared
that we existed, and she just went right past us. But the one
weird thing, Jeremiah, I was gonna tell you about Pony. Those are
the two different places. Anyway, I had these weird ex experiences. But
the one thing about Pony is where we lived. We lived right at the
base of hall Atop, and so our neighbors had a house beside us they
rented, and then their house. On the back of their houses, they
had huge motion sensor flood lights, okay, on the back of these houses
that were beside us, the two beside us, and they had a four
and a half foot picket fence around their house. And so at night,
when I was by myself, the lights would just flash on. I'd go
look at it. You know, oh, there's some deer or there's the
dog outside or whatever. But occasionally you would go out there to the window
and look, and the deer would be screaming through that failed and right into
their yard where those lights would come on, and then keep on going.
And then just split second later, you'd see a big cat chasing them right
through the yard. Those those mountain lions up there would come right through the
yards after those deer, and you'd see the big four and a half foot
tail flipping above the fence, and you knew it wasn't the dog out there,
so you stayed in the house for a while. But that was just
a Honestly, in the wintertime, that was almost normal occurrence. Those deer
to run right down that creek, right to the backyards in those big lighted
you know, big lit up places, and sometimes you'd see something chase them.
Sometimes you wouldn't. But sometimes those deer would come down there so fast
and nothing would follow them into the light, and they would sit there in
that yard and you could see them shaking. I mean, you could see
these deer quivering, but they didn't run like they did when the mountain lions
were behind them. They kept going. But occasionally these deer would come down
there and get into those yards, those two yards, and they wouldn't move.
They'd just sit there shaking, and nothing come into the light. And
those are the questions that I have. Was something out there that knew I'm
not walking into those lights. I'll chase a deer, but I'm not walking
into those lights because the cats didn't care. You see what I'm saying.
They didn't care about a light. They were chasing that deer down. So
just weird stuff like that happened up there. The moose, we had another
moose. It was a calmose when she would drop her twins. She had
twins three years in a row up there, and when she would drop her
twins, she would do it right there in that field with those lights.
That's where she would raise those two twins, right there in the back by
the crik, where those huge lights were on all night, because every time
she moved it turned on. So that's another thing that I questioned too,
was that mosse understanding that as long as they're here, they're safe. You
know. That also made me wonder that there's something out there that's enormous that's
three times as tall as a normal Pontiac car at least, I mean,
because all I saw was legs and feet. That's the only thing I saw.
And so you know, that's really my experience is in a couple of
the things I have questions about, like were they responding to something out there
that I didn't even I didn't have to believe myself at the time, you
know what I mean. But that's that's really what happened, is seeing it
right by the car. That was the That was the big thing for me,
as actually I could have reached out and touched it at the time,
but thank goodness. It didn't touch me. You know, that is an
incredible account. It's just it's very man. I don't even know how I
would handle it. Were the windows down in the car really, so it
was, Oh my goodness. So you're in this now you're saying a Pontiac
car, was it? It's a Bonaville. It's a Bonaville. So that
was it was like a nineteen ninety okay, which is lower to the ground,
right, yes, okay, but you had the windows down. Oh
man, Well, yeah, it's Montana in the middle of summer. You're
gonna have the windows down. You don't run the acy. Yeah, that
makes total sense. So you had mentioned that you could see the legs,
the pads of the feet. Did you notice any other part in addition,
I I don't know if I heard anything. That's I'm makes me wonder because
I thought it was, like like I say, I was my brain was
triggering what could this be? And it was just getting bigger, and so
my brain was going bigger and bigger. And when I thought it was like
a cow beside us, I thought I heard like a cow huffing. When
a cow runs, they will huff, you know, they they labor and
so I I thought, that's why I thought it was a cow, because
it was like shorter two three inch brownish hair, and I think I heard
it huffing, and that's why I thought at first, Oh, that's gotta
be a cow. But then it kept coming up the side of the koolie
right to our car. I mean, he was headed right to us.
That was the problem is that my brain was not working fast enough to go,
what is what am I looking at? Until I was just looking at
legs right and then like I said, I could see the feet pads and
it was just these enormous, enormous legs. I didn't see any arms,
hands. I don't know if he had him up or what, but I
just there's not much else. The smell was the worst part. The smell
made me literally I was gagging. I was gagging. It was so bad.
And it stayed in that car. It lingered with the windows down eighty
miles an hour. It was horrid. So you saw it come up the
banks of the Kooli to the car. You said that you're you weren't really
thinking of what was going on at the time, But do you remember,
like looking at the creature at that time, like looking at its face or
anything like that, or no, there wasn't any It was coming up sideways.
So all I was basically seeing was I believe I think I was seeing
like head shoulders coming up or something as it was coming up the side.
But it was coming like what do you call it, like at a thirty
five to forty five degree angle, coming up that hill as we were turning
around and trying and getting ready to go, So it was coming up at
an angle almost kind of beside behind me. So when I'm looking, I'm
seeing this just this brown stuff to my right as it's coming up there.
And that's what got me is we kind of crested together. Basically it got
to the top of there at the same time that we turned. We had
turned around, so he basically turned around and put me right beside this thing.
When he turned to the left to go back, he put me right
beside it. And that's when I'm looking out directly beside me, right at
the mirror, with this thing beside us running. That's that's my biggest when
I saw it the most is right there at the mirror when it was running
beside us. At any point, did you get a feeling for how tall
it was. Like I say, it had to be what at least three
times the size of that car? And when I got out of the car,
I'm a short person, okay, so let's say four feet three feet
three and a half four feet it was enormous. Like is all I saw
was legs, like right above the knee down. Literally I could see the
knee movement. But that's just it was right there, is what I was
looking out out that window, like at three and a half feet, so
eight nine feet probably I would say something like that, Yeah, wow,
did you ever go back to look at that area after this had happened?
Did you go back the next day? Or is just you were staying away
from that area? I had to drive past it every single day to go
to work. I didn't have a choice. That was the crazy part is
I would literally for a long time, I would just pray, please just
get me pass that spot. Please just get me past that spot. You
know. That's what And that's stupid because that thing could be anywhere everywhere.
Seriously, it could be long gone. But in my brain, I was
like, just get me past that spot. That's all I care about.
I don't want to break down there, no, you know what I mean?
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean to have to probably relive that over
and over in your mind daily on the way to work. That would be
not a fun time for sure. That area that you lived in, was
it a thing where people whatever talk about Bigfoot? Ever? Oh, they
would talk about their cows missing. Yeah, because there was a couple of
really big black angus ranches right there in that valley. Pony was kind of
up in the mountain, and all that entire valley, all the way down
to basically Ennis is nothing but cattle land, raising lands, things of that
nature, And they would talk about them, are cows disappearing when they have
them down in the valley. They would actually just you know, go out
one day, feed the cows, next day, feed the cows, and
then they're like, wait a minute, where's that where's that cow? Where's
four fifteen or where's two ninety one, you know what I mean? And
they were just gone. And so they did talk about that a lot.
And they I don't know if any of them had their own encounters at any
time, but those cattle ranchers are close mouth about their land. They don't
talk about much of anything down there. You know, they don't want to
talk about wolves, they don't want to talk about bears, they don't want
to talk about anything because if somebody goes after their cattle, the three s's
you know what that is, right, that's that's kind of how that works.
Three I don't sorry, shoot shovel and shut up, okay, gotcha?
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how that works.
So that's why I say they're kind of tight lipped around there, because
that's just the law of the land. So I'm sure they would not want
to discuss anything like that that somebody might want to protect. Seriously, it's
just how it is with land. So I don't know, going off of
what you've experienced, you know, some brief interactions, have you ever thought
to yourself had to work through, like what you think these might actually be.
I would say that they're they're an animal. Honestly, they're just an
animal. I don't think that they're demons. I don't think that they're nephilom
I don't think there are any of that. I think they're animals. Plain
and simple logic and reason tells us the simplest answer is usually the correct answer
correct? Is that not right? I'm sure yep, yep, that is
that is a logical thing. Yeah, yeah, So I really do I
think they're just animals. Yes, I do believe they're intelligent. I mean,
I know that animals are intelligent. I absolutely know that they can.
They can figure stuff out that they probably can mimic us and talk, and
they probably have their own communication and their own words and things of that nature.
That's fine. I mean, have you seen a murder of pros One
of them learned something? Everybody learns it because they sit around and they chatter
it, you know, so they just start learning this stuff. I don't
think they're stupid animals. I think they're extremely intelligent animals. But I do
believe they're still animals being a verse and that that's lived in Montana for so
long. I've talked to a few people from Montana, and there's some really
interesting things that happen up there. I'm just curious if it's anything you've ever
heard of. Have you ever heard of people finding like grizzly bears that have
had their necks broken in Montana? You have, yes, Paradise Valley,
Yes, Paradise Valley. They actually I kind of know. I had it
in at the time down there with somebody that was involved with that stuff.
But they were actually finding these grizzlies dead, and the park Service, the
rangers, they knew about it because that's kind of where the line came from.
Where the information came from, was through the through that I used to
do some other stuff law enforcement wise for quite a few years there in Montana,
and that's where they were that came from, but directly from the Park
Service. Yeah, they're finding dead grizzlies in Paradise Valley, and they're finding
dead camp up Incaster National Forest. They're finding like people on one side of
a mountain ridge and their entire packs and shoes and everything else seventeen eighteen miles
away on another side of the mountain. I don't know if anybody's ever talked
to you about those, but that's something that actually happens here, and they
don't know why these people are dead in one spot and all their stuff is
somewhere else if they you know, and they're just dead. I believe that
was called out in That's a Missing four on one thing with David Plaiti's I
think as I remember, Yeah, he's done that documentary. Yep, he's
done that. Yep. That's right, and that's not a lie. That
is the absolute truth. Like I said, I had some inns with these
places, and that is the truth. That's crazy and I'm the first time
I read and I was like, there's got to be a logical explanation.
There's no logical explanation for finding that. There's no logic. These people knew
what they were doing out there. They were well prepared. It's not like
it was the first time they went on a hike. You know, something
happened to these people. It's I remember looking into that myself, and it
just it does not make sense at all. Going back to the grizzlies,
do you say that so they were found they were found dead, but you
said their necks were broken as well. Not only their necks were broken,
but they were actually their bodies were mangled. They weren't just somebody broke their
neck and let them lay there. They were mangled bears. And that's what
the problem was, because they're like a wolf pack is potentially capable of doing
this, you know, absolutely capable. If the pack goes after a bear,
it's possible. Okay, so we're in the realm of possibility. But
who's going to mangle that body and not eat it? That's the thing.
If the wolves are going to take the time and energy to kill a bear,
they're going to eat it because they've wasted all their energy killing it.
You know what I mean? Absolutely? Can can you just you said the
bodies were found mangled? Can you? And not to get too crazy,
but can you describe like what that exactly means? That they were just broken
like they're not They were legs broken, they were mangled like twisted backs and
all kinds, just mangled like they had been manhandled to the poine of death,
just manhandled to the point of they're just mangled and left there. And
that's what I say. If they were if they were killed by another natural
predator, that predator doesn't take all of that time and energy to kill something
like that unless they're going to eat it. That's just natural selection, you
know, the energy they spend, they have to get a reserve. Again,
they got to eat it, and you're saying that it was just left
there. They're just left there, Yes, And they have the pictures of
them, that's the thing. And I don't know why people are so tight
lipped about this business. You know, if there's if that's happening down in
the bear Tooth and Absorca wilderness, that's a playground for millions of people every
year. You know what I mean? In your thoughts? What could break
the neck of a grizzly bear on the very edge of the realm of possibilities.
Okay, this is all I'm going to say. On the very edge
of the realm of possibilities. I have seen bull elk and bull moose that
could probably do that if they absolutely had to in some weird way with their
horns. That's the only thing that would be big enough and strong enough to
even attempt to do something like that. There is nothing else out there.
That's why I said the wolves are not going to do that. Wolves are
not going to do They can't. They don't have hands. There is no
other option. And I'm sorry, but that's the truth. There are big,
big, big animals out there that are I think that that's what's happening.
I really do. I think that that's what's happening. I think they're
being killed by Bigfoot. End of story. There's no other logical explanation,
So I'll tell you it's something that's come up at random times. Over the
last few years. There's been interviews where talk to a gentleman in Oregon where
he found a black bear that was pretty much mangled by a bigfoot. There
was a hunter that was mangled by bigfoot northern Alabama in a similar way,
and just it's wild when you start to connect pieces from different parts of the
country like that. So I was talking to a gentleman a while ago named
Ken Metzker. He's a bigfoot researcher in Montana. Have you ever heard anything
where there could be connections between missing for on one cases and bigfoot. Besides,
you know, we did already talk about the one person that was found
on the side of the mountain, But did you have any thoughts about that?
Oh? Absolutely, because once I started connecting the dots myself, other
things that I was listening to and reading and seeing were just like absolutely mind
blowing to me, thinking that, oh my gosh, this possibly could be
one of the biggest shocks to people out there. It really could. It
could be one of the biggest things that ever happens, is in finding out
that these people they go out here, they're not just they're not just disappearing.
They're they're not just you know, walking off the trail for no dang
reason. These people something's happening to them, end of story. And if
that's what it is, then that's what it is. We need to start.
Like I'm saying, I'm based in logic and reality, you know,
and that's the most logical explanation for any of it is. Actually, but
actually seeing something like that and putting all these little pieces together that I didn't
understand at the time, it does point me in only one direction, really
does. These people are coming in contact with something like that out there,
and they're getting the short end of the stick. Absolutely. Over the years,
have you ever heard of any other strange things that have been happening in
the Paradise Valley area. Well, there was only one other thing that happened
and was extremely tragic, but this was over in the eastern side of the
state. Was the middle of winter, probably two thousand and eight, something
like that. Two thousand and nine, we had a gentleman that we knew.
He took off to go hunting on his four wheeler. Okay, he
had his four wheeler all packed up because he was headed out. He was
going to stay out, and he disappeared, and later on, once the
ice kind of broke, they found him attached to his four wheeler in the
river, and they were like, what would make somebody who knows this place,
who was born and raised here, who has hunted here their whole life,
what would make somebody veer off course and drive over a river they know
is not frozen. He absolutely knew that was not frozen. And it makes
me think, why what would scare someone that bad that they would lose all
all thoughts of safety and drive onto a river they know is not frozen.
And his boot got stuck on the bottom peg on his four wheeler and it
killed that man. He went down with his four wheeler. Now, I
don't know what else would make you that afraid. You know, absolutely,
That's something I've always questioned. Why would a person do that, that is
so intelligent, so good at being outdoors, Why would he do that?
If the missing four on one events. It's not something that I've looked a
lot into, But the things that I have looked into, it's just it.
It does not make sense, and it's just a very scary thing that
it does happen, then maybe I'll start to hear more about different things as
well. If you had the ability, or you could make the decision too,
would you choose to have an interaction or see a bigfoot creature again or
is it something that you would rather not take part in. No, I'm
kind of a I'm kind of an odd duck, Jeremiah. I don't really
get Once I think about something and get it in the right place in my
head, once I get it straightened out in my head, I'm pretty logical
and really level. Honestly I did. I was a nine one one operator
for several years, and everybody told me that was the best job I ever
did and got because when crap is happening, I don't panic. Okay,
I'm not the pan I'm the person that will stand there and watch it happen
and take note of everything that happens. I'm not a panicker. So after
I thought about it, I really did. I started listening to stuff and
really researching stuff more, and I thought, you know, to me,
I think it would be I think it would be crazy, but I you
know, I think I would. I want to know this, I really
do. I want to be one hundred percent sure, and I don't like
that question mark in my head for so many years that I could never talk
to anybody about because I always did think these people will think I'm nuts.
They're gonna put me up in the looney bin if I say anything about this.
But I do, I fully, I really do think it scared the
crap out of me at the time, But after I thought about it,
I would actually not mind seeing one from a distance, down in a coolie
like I say, or across the mountain, you know, down in the
valley while I'm up here on the side. I think it would be really
interesting to actually see a full figure, the whole thing, and know what
it was, you know what I mean, instead of have these questions.
Absolutely, it would be very interesting. You know. I haven't had the
opportunity yet, but it would be very interesting to be able to actually have
a visual for sure. Since you brought it up, do you have a
question and you can choose whether to answer it or not, of course,
But during your time working nine one one, did you ever receive any calls
of people that had seen a bigfoot. No, I just received calls of
the people on the reservation disappearing because I worked in an area that also covered
two reservations, and there was there's always a lot of disappearances there, and
sometimes they would find the people's bodies and in the in the river. Sometimes
they would never find them at all. Sometimes they would find them on the
side of a road. Those were the weird ones because it really didn't seem
to be any real explanation for what happened to these people. They just disappeared
and sometimes they were found and sometimes they weren't, and that was about it.
Wow, that would be definitely I think, what does take a special
type of person to be able to take calls for that? And it sounded
like you were definitely well equipped to do that. Well, I appreciate that.
That's my entire that's really been my my most of my entire life.
That's been my way I earned my living, you know, as things like
that, and so I'm I was hesitant to say anything at first, but
then I thought, you know, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna talk about
it and then I'm going to put it to rest. And I'm in Arkansas
now, in Arkansas's I did not have any idea about all the sidings here,
so now I'm like, oh, man, did I go from the
frying pan into the fire or what? Well, Kathy, you may have
depended on where you are. What if you're in northwestern Arkansas, you did?
I did? Oh my goodness. Yeah. I mean I get so
many reports and people talking to me about northwest Arkansas Buffalo River. And then
you've got like, because that's close to hittah A National Forest, southeast Oklahoma.
I mean that whole area is just wild with bigfoot. Yeah, yep.
I live right in the middle of the National Forest and by Lake Greece.
So and that it's X marks the spot basically, Jeremiah, Oh so
the Washtaes. Yeah you're there? Yeah, wow the thing? Yeah?
Is this whole place? Man? Holy moly, Yeah, this place.
I won't go anywhere at night I'm not familiar with. And I'm seriously because
I'm I don't want that by myself. I don't ever want to have that
interaction by myself. I don't, So I'm pretty picky about where I go
here. You know, it seems like in that area that subject would come
up pretty easily. Has that ever come up in conversation with other people down
there? I've got a couple guys that do a bunch of fishing all over
the place. They've actually had little stories that they told me about somebody bothering
them. And I'm not going to say anything to these people. I work
with these people, and the last thing I want them to do is,
like I said, I think I'm a nut job or something. So they
have these interesting stories about their like their boat going what he ca when you
more your boat basically right when you go up and land your boat, that
they would camp out, do their fishing, camp out and get up in
the morning and somebody had on moored the boat and it's gone, you know,
and they're like, who could do that? You know, why would
someone do that? And who could do that? And just little things like
that. But they've never said anything about seeing anything or hearing anything. If
you wanted to look more into it, you're in the right area for sure.
I mean, that's exactly how I feel. And you know, honestly,
I'm becoming more and more and more curious over time, and I think
it's because of just all of the information that's out there. I just I
just actually voraciously, you know, go through information over time, and I
just listen to everything I can and read all of this stuff, but I
really do believe, honestly, this isn't the animal. You know, people
put so much behind it and everything, and sometimes yeah, weird crap can
happen around them. Absolutely, I'm not disclaiming discounting anybody's stories. I don't
know anything about this. This is just my opinion is that they're they're animals,
you know, and they're out there, and people should just be aware,
you know, that that's a potential something could happen, you know,
just be careful. I would really hope, you know, in our lifetime,
hopefully we get the final answer, you know, whether that's a that's
some specimen or something's captured. It would be great if we could get some
some final answer. But we will see, right, Yeah, it'll come
around. Eventually, it'll come around. That's all there is to it.
That The only thing that needs to happen is there actually needs to be a
concerted effort between all these different groups. Seriously, people need to say,
Okay, put all differences aside, We're going to blanket this entire area,
whichever area may be that's the most, that has the most sightings, or
that just blanket the entire area with so many people and so many trail cams,
and just do that, you know, come together. That's the only
thing I see when I listen to all this stuff. Everybody's doing their own
little thing, and that's awesome. But if you really want to make an
impact, work together. Make it happen, because boots on the ground is
what is going to find this. That's what's going to find this. No,
I agree. I mean, first off, focus on you know,
whether it's a certain area in southeast Oklahoma or maybe Pacific Northwest. But yeah,
just make it like almost a search and rescue but you know, kind
of different. Get everyone, but you got to have the manpower behind it.
And I don't know, get Yeah, it always comes back to if
the government's involved or not. That's what it seems to come back to in
these chats. But I'm not too sure about that one. Well that's kind
of why I think that way, because that's you know, part of the
job that I did was also support for search and rescue, ambulance, fire,
you know, all of that. And that's exactly how I feel.
You take the map out, you grid your map, You put these people
here at this grid, these people here at this grid. You know,
that's exactly what my mind went to, Jeremiah, honestly, is more blank
search and rescue, because how do you find a little girl in the middle
of nowhere Custer County, Montana, that's nothing but flat planes and dry scrub
brush and all of this stuff. You know, a little girl went missing
out there. It took us three and a half days to find her.
She was less than a mile away from home. Oh wow, people getting
on four wheelers and horses and walking that area after three days that found her.
That's how you do it, you know. Absolutely. Yeah, something
to think about, and it'd be an interesting conversation to start having in the
community, I think, Kathy, it's been a really enlightening conversation. And
thank you for finally sharing publicly what you've experienced over the years. I wish
you the best down in Arkansas. Hopefully, well, unless you want it
to hopefully things are pretty calm down there for you. But yeah, that's
why I'm crossing my fingers about to Jeremy. It's just just don't break me
out too bad, Okay, that's exactly Yeah, no doubt for allowing me,
honestly, for allowing me to just get all of this stumb off on
my chest and say this is what happened. Okay, Now I can put
it to bed. That's what I needed. Seriously, absolutely, Oh,
I appreciate that a lot. Thank you, Kathy. You're welcome. You
have a wonderful evening. It's been a pleasure. Take good care of yourself.
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one to send a voicemail? Press two? Hey is this David? It
is? Is this David Blaylock it is? Did I say that? Maria?
Yeah? You? Ah, okay, very good. Hey, thanks
for calling you did You've already filled out the form, right I did.
That's right. Let me make sure that people can hear us in the If
someone in the chat can say, hey, I can hear David, that
would be fantastic. Just want to make sure that we're set up right for
David. No problem. We're gonna wait a oh yeah, okay, we
can hear perfect, We're ready to rock. Well, David, I know
we were planning on chat and eventually, but I'm glad you called in.
I'm gonna let you go ahead and have the floor and share would you would
like to and I might have some questions, and also, guys in the
comments, if you've got questions, go ahead and throw those in the comments,
all caps please, and I'll put those in two potentially, So David,
go right ahead, sir, All right, thank you, Jeremiah.
So, my name is David Blaylac and I grew up in northern California,
very near where the Patterson Gimlin film was filmed. And twenty years ago me
and my wife moved here to goos Bay, Oregon, which is southwest Oregon.
And we've hunted elk and deer and bear and everything, camped and done
all the hiking and stuff like that. And for like fifteen years, we
never had any experiences or anything that would lead you to think something was going
on until two thy and nineteen. And in twenty and nineteen, two days
before the end of August, elk season started for both seasons for elk,
me and my wife and my sister she followed us up there. We had
our truck with a camper overhead camper on our truck and she, my sister,
followed us up in her car and she had her tootle dogs, I
mean, my wife had our little menpen dog and we drove up and it
takes about an hour and a half to get there. E'repe like fourteen miles
up a dirt road, a gravel road in parts of its dirt, and
it's really a thick area rainforests, a lot of moss on the trees,
and you really don't see the ground. It's all just brush and groundcover under
the trees and stuff and big old growth trees. So twenty nineteen, it
was, I think it was August twenty sixth when we got up there and
we showed up the camp spot. My sister had never been there before.
And like I said, me and my wife had hunted this area for like
fourteen years straight, camped in a tent for the whole month and never had
anything strange happen or anything but this strip. We got up there two days
before the elk season started, and because we wanted to do some scouting and
stuff and set up camp. And I had a trail camera up there that
I had set up for two months, had it up there two months before
we got there, And so we got there that evening kind of started getting
camp set up, and I ran and got my trail camera right before dark
and came back and we checked it out and there was a bunch of elk
and deer stuff like that on there, but nothing, you know, nothing
else. And about ten o'clock that first night, where me and my wife
was kind of making noise do some stuff, and my sister was standing there
on the road, and it was like ten o'clock at night. Like I
said, it got dark maybe a half hour or something before that. And
my sister just like, well, I guess we got company. And I
kind of looked at her. I'm like, what do you mean. She
goes, well, somebody just made like a banging noise, sound like a
tree knock, but it was a bang up on the ridge up there,
And I'm like, where did it come from? And she pointed, and
I was my sister, there's nobody up there. There's no roads, there's
no trails. It's just like a steep, thick hillside, like a mountain
side. And they'll have crews. Logging companies will have crews come through when
after they like log an area, they'll replant these trees and then after about
ten or fifteen years, they'll send cruise in there and they'll cut down certain
lunes to kind of thin it and they just leave those ones they cut down,
just laying there. So I mean, it's like a thicket can mean
already walked through it. And so when she said that, I was like,
well, I'm just telling you right now, there's nobody camping up there.
And she goes, well, I don't know what that was, and
so I'll make like a long story short shorter, I suppose. And each
day we had stuff like dumps sound like they were being ripped apart, knocking
bounds all around us, and sometimes you'd hear like a knock, and then
like something was running through the brush like a knock and you could kind of
hear it run off. And each time I was like, you know,
trying to write everything off like, well, it could have been elk,
it could have been deer could have been there, and the knocking could be
like elk crashing antlers because it's about the time they start their rut and stuff.
I was trying to write everything off as normal sound you here in the
woods. But in the back of my mind, you know, I suspected
it wasn't normal sounds that you'd hear in the woods. And so it was
the fucking or third day of hunting season. So it'd been like the fifth
day we were up there. My sister rode with us, and we drove
up this road and we were going to go on this one hunt. Well,
while we're driving up there, we see a herd elk, and those
elk instead of just being like scattered like a herd would be, they were
all like growled in like a like a circle, all really tight, and
they were kind of just walking around each other, like real tight circle.
And I thought that was kind of strange. But there was a nice bull
in there, and the bull ended up just kind of separating and going like
walking off by himself. So me and my wife get out of the rig
and we're bull hunting, and my sister stayed in the truck with the dogs,
and I mean, I just shut the truck off and we just me
and my wife got out and started making our hunt, like walking around to
get the wind right and stuff and circling around so we can make the stalk
on of that bowl. And while we were walking down, we couldn't hear
it because we're down in the brush. I mean, like I said,
the brushes over your head, so you're just kind of trying to sneak through
the brush, but it's like kind of rubbing on your head and on your
body stuff, so you couldn't really hear what's going on around you. Well,
my sister said, as soon as we left the road and got into
the brush, she heard three distinctive knocks, one from like one side of
the elk, one from the other side, and one from like a triangulation.
They were like from three different areas. And while directly after she heard
that, she saw she saw us walking into the brush, and she said,
right behind us, coming the same direction that we had went, she
saw a black, hairy figure and she didn't say what it was, but
just a dark black figure was walking the same trail that we had walked,
and like behind us. And so we'd made our hunt and everything, and
we we spoofed the elk ended up and they all ran off. So we
went back to the truck after about an hour or something, and my sister
was like, did you guys hear those knots? And we're like no,
She guys, did you guys see what was behind you? And we're like
no, and she goes, she goes brother's sister, I'm telling you there
was something walking behind you, guys, following you into those elks, and
she goes whatever it was, it was black and it had it was like
had hair on. It wasn't like bald or brown or anything. It was
harry. And we're like, oh, okay, and we've all three had
experiences before this. I'm just telling you guys this experience. And so about
the sixth night, I think it was after that, we were sitting around
our camp spot, which was just on side of this gravel road. There
wasn't any other We saw like one or two vehicles up to this point,
like a week into it, just a couple of vehicles driving by, and
we're way up in there, but we're just camped on side of this gravel
road on a pullout. So my sister smoked cigarettes and each time she would
get up, I would step up. So let me back a little bit.
Every night before this, we would have our lantern. I had a
shotgun because not for anything, but like bears or mountain lions or whatever,
just protection. I'd have my shotgun leaning against our camper and we'd have a
flashlight in our lantern burning, and you know, just sit out there and
just talk and camp before we go to bed. And so this night we
only had a mosquito candle burning, like one of those centronella mosquito candles,
and so it was like really dark. I didn't have my gun or my
flash light out. I just had this like little cheap headlamp on and I
had it on a green setting, so when you turn it on, it
was green, and it didn't light everything up very well, but you could
see eye shine really well. And so every time my sister would you know,
step up into the gravel getting out away from me and my wife so
the smoke wouldn't go on our face, she would light her cigarette and I
would just stand up. And this is like ten o'clock at night again,
and so I stood up and shine my light, you know, just to
make sure there was no animals or no bears around her or whatever. And
so this time she got up, and so I got up with her,
and we walked out into the road and I switched on my light and she
was lighting her cigarette, and I looked directly across the road because that was
the closest trees. And then I looked to my right down the road and
didn't see nothing, turned to my left and glow and behold, here's this
eye shine. And when I walked over and looked to the left, I
had walked about ten feet away from my sister, just kind of. I
was just checking her surroundings, and I was like, oh, we got
eye shine like that. And my sister's like, oh, serious, And
she walked over and she saw the eyes. And my wife was still sitting
beside her camper in her camp chair, and these eyeballs were like a foot
apart, and if I had to guess the size of them, each eye
was like the size of a golf ball, I guess or something. But
there was like the shine around it, and they were I had my light
on green, so I don't know if it was that, but they were
like an electric yellow, an electric yellowish green reflection in the eye shine.
And they were really close to the ground, like a couple of feet off
the ground, but really far apart. And so I'm she's like, my
sister. My sister's like seriously, And she walked up and saw them,
and she was like just like hyperventilated, and she went walking back to her
car really fast and shut her dogs in the car. They were already in
the car, but she rolled up the windows in her car. So they
went jump out, and my wife had our dog and my sister and I'm
just locked onto this thing. And it's not blinking, it's not looking away,
it's just sitting there look staring right at me. And I couldn't see
what I was looking at, but you could just see like the blackest shadow
of it, but you couldn't make out of shape. You could just see
that there was a body attached to the eyeballs. And so my sister walks
back up after she locked your car, and I'm still just staring at it,
and it's literally about thirty yards from me maybe, and it's right on
the edge of the road, the gravel road that we're on, but there's
like a drop off and then it's like a flat off down off that drop
off. And so my mind was thinking it was either a bear or an
elk, just like a quick thought. It was like, it's a bear
or an elk. But my mind was also saying, it doesn't look right
because bare eyeballs are little, they have little beady eyes, and they're kind
of close together, and elk can I have big eyeballs and are kind of
spread apart. But the eyes were like a foot or two off the ground,
which means an elk would basically have to have its head on the ground
for its eyes to be down there. And it didn't make no sense.
And so my sister walked back up saw it again and just like and freaked
out. And finally I was like, I was like, babe, if
I need my flashlight and my gun right now, because I'm at this point,
I'm still thinking it's a bear, That's what I'm kind of thinking.
And so my wife I hear her get up out of her chair and go
into our camper and I can hear like doo dunk, and she was getting
the flashlight and the shotgun and I'm still just standing there. I'm not moving
my head and it's not moving, and we're just locked on each other.
And my wife I can hear it come out of the camper and she's walking
up to my left and she goes, here you go bed, and literally
she bumped my left arm and I turned just for I mean literally half suckond
grabbed the flashlight and the shotgun and turned and whatever it was was already gone,
literally half a sucking without a sound. And this place is thick rainforest
stuff, I mean, just like thick brush. Somehow this thing was off
the road and gone in a half a sucking at the most, and so
I was like, where to go? Where to go? And my sister
and my wife's like, I don't know, I don't know. So I
was shining my flashlight around the road, you know, down the road and
on each side of the road, and it was gone. So I kind
of walked towards it and was shining down through the trees as the best I
could, and nothing was there. And I was like, you guys want
me to just cause I'm still thinking there at this point, but I was
like, you guys want me just shoot a warning shot just to make sure
you don't come back. And they're both like, yeah, go ahead.
So I just put my shotgun up in the air and just you know,
shot a shot off. And we stayed up for like an hour or something
talking about it, and nothing happened that night. And so the next morning,
instead of going hunting at daylight, I got up and walked down the
road just the look where it was, and it had been. Whatever it
was was directly behind this kind of rotted stump and you could see on the
hard packed gravel. You could see like scuff marks like it pushed itself back
off the road over that bank, like if it And my assumption was it
whatever it was, was laying with its body down off the road, down
that little bank, and its upper body was on the edge of the road
looking at us around that stump wasn't on stump, it was behind the stump.
The scuff marks were about five feet behind that stump. And so we
discussed it and everything and thought that was really weird. So I'll just fast
forward to like day nine of our hunt. Was everything was normal. I
mean like each day something was going on. We could hear stuff. It
never saw anything and never had anything weird. Well, night of the ninth,
about nine point thirty, as it's starting to get dark, we start
hearing this owl, you know, just a classic like bard owl. And
my sister was getting her drinking on me and my wife did drink or nothing.
So we were just sitting there listening and my sister was calling back and
forth this owl, and I was like, Keith, Indy, you want
me to call. She's like, yeah, go ahead, And so I
would do the who you know call, and the out me and the owl
was talking back and forth for like a half hour, and my sister has
this recorded on her phone, and I even joked about, hey, Cindy,
it's like on Jurassic Park with the owls keeping our attention over here while
the other things sneaking up behind us, and we laughed and stuff about it.
So about ten o'clock, ten thirty at night, we're getting ready to
go to bed, and my wife was wanting to take our little dog to
the bathroom before we got in the camper. So she started walking the dog
around on the leash and stuff, and our dog was like nervous and wouldn't
go and go and go. So I walked over there and like, you
know, Peanut, gout, go to the bathroom, Peanut, go poopy
bee. And she just would and would and wouldn't. And so my sister
was sitting over there by our camp and still calling back and forth to the
owl, recording it, and and my wife, Didi, she was like,
I think Cindy's calling is making our dog nervous. So I said,
hey, Cindy, can you stop calling for a minute, so Peanut and
go to the bathroom. So she's like, okay, Well she stops recording
on her phone, of course, and and you know it's quiet for a
second. Our dogs still wouldn't go. So I picked up our dog and
we were walking over to my sister. And right when I get to my
sister, we hear the owl go off again. So we all stop,
and we're and I'm holding our dog, and we're all looking up across that
flat as a creek, and then it goes up the steep old growth treeze
breed ridge, and that was behind our camp. And so that owl was
coming right across that flat, right in those trees, like one hundred yards
away or something like that. And but this time when it called, it
did like and it kind of went down into like this angry sound, like
an angry owl, and immediately to the left of that it did like a
kyot yep, like a coyote yip. And then left of that this war
that I mean freight trains and air horns and anything lion like African lions if
you've heard them at the zoo, that war they do. Who that was
nothing compared to the volume and the depth and the I don't know how to
explain it. It shook your chest. It was so loud, and you
could hear the trees ringing like and then it was like dead quiet, and
I just looked up, and I don't cuss very often, but I was
like, what the F was that? And my sister and my wife were
all just standing there like our jaws just gaped open because it went from this
angry owl to a kyote it to this war and I was like, we
need to go right now. So I literally grabbed my shotgun and my flashlight
and stood there shining the direction it came from, while my wife went and
got her purse and our medicine bag and all that stuff like our essentials,
and my sister was loading whatever she had outside of camp, just throwing it
into a car. And we literally left our camper up there for a week
and we just just beat feet down the road and we had to drive past
that area. So I told my wife to drive and when we're going by
this is like I said, about ten thirty at night, I had my
window down with my shotgun out the window and my flashlight shining in the direction
just in case it was charging us. As we were leaving. We didn't
know what was going to happen, so we ended up leaving our camper up
there for a week. And a week later we went up there and I
had trail cameras around our camper just because I had them around there, and
we didn't get anything. Trail cameras or in our camp are fine. I
didn't see any fingerprints or handprints on the windows or anything like that. Everything
was normal. So we picked up our camper a week later, and we've
never camped at that spot since we camped up in those woods, but never
in that same spot. So that's kind of like twenty nineteen story. Who
David, that's man? That is wild. I don't think I've talked to
anyone else from that area yet, but I just want to say real quick,
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encountered to call in with But David, Man, what an interesting And I
was going to ask you about the pattern, if there's a pattern to the
Knox, but you already had mentioned that you were hearing like three that's a
that's a common thread I've heard come up in a few encounters, like you
usually hear three knocks. So that's really interesting that you did bring that up
where it was almost like the triangulation of the knocks going on as well.
Did your sister tell you how far away or how far behind the figure was
behind you guys when you left, there's that black figure that was that was
following you. She said it literally like when we she lost sight of us,
we were probably I would say, you know, two or three hundred
yards away from the truck when we entered into the brush to kind of make
our sneak, And she said she could see us, you know, like
parts of us every now and then kind of going through the brush. Yeah,
And as soon as she lost side of us, she said, from
where she could see us going into the brush, like something immediately was falling
right behind us, like like right behind us. I don't know how close,
but yeah, Like and so I kind of suspect this is just speculation
that the reason why those elk were all in a bunch like that was maybe
they were hunting those same elk. Yeah, that's just my thought. Wow,
that's yeah, I mean, that's that is wild. The part with
the eyeshine was was very interesting. There's a few back and forth comments that
were interesting. Tate, what had some you know, he was like,
well, maybe a mountain lion, and you know, I was thinking that
too, but I you know, I was also thinking that you had mentioned
that the eyes were very big, and they were they were super you know,
far apart, and but I was like, well, he said it
was only a few feet off the ground. So then I'm thinking, well,
maybe we're looking at some sort of like spider crawl or on all four's
situation, which might explain how you could have the eyes so far apart but
yet so close to the ground. It's it's a very interesting situation. So
I don't know if you have any thoughts about that. Well I do,
and I thought and my son was the first one to suggest, you know,
here we call him cougars, but they're mountain lions. He thought that,
and I was like, well, you know, it's possible, but
look at a cat. Look at a cat. Their eyes are not they're
not that huge. They're you know, pretty good size around, but they're
not that far apart. And the weird thing is, okay, that could
be an explanation but explain to me how it knew when I turned and grabbed
the chokun and then the flashlight. How at that instant that is when it
was gone. You know that kind of was I suspected that was kind of
weird, which I suppose if you unlock eyes that might be when they move.
I mean, I could get that too. But the thing Jeremiah about
it was that this was, like I said, the gravel road, and
then where it was was right on the lip where it dropped down like about
ten feet, like the bank dropped down like ten feet, and then there
was a flat and it could have been like a spider crawler down in that
on all fours, or it could have been just laying with its body off
the road and its upper body was on the road on the edge of the
road. Whatever it was, its scuffed hard at gravel. You can see
like three distinct scuff marks were like, yeah, pushed itself back. That's
so interesting, And I mean, you guys had some weird stuff going on
there, and it's cool that you guys were out there for not just two
or three nights. I mean you're out there for what'd you say, at
least nine days and then you had it out. Yeah, that ninth night,
we had it out. Me and my wife went camping the next weekend,
but in a whole different spot and I literally, I mean I've never
been. I'm not afraid of any animals, but literally I was in like
cold sweat trying to go to sleep the first night back out camping. I
was like, just leave me alone. Just leave me alone, That's what
I was thinking. Right, Ah, that's wild. Let's see. Let's
see here looking through to see if we have any questions for you here.
Oh t is asking have you ever been to the Patterson Gimblin film site at
all? I have not. I've been, I've been it, but not
I haven't done the actual hiking. Now I've been over and over. Oh
okay, cool, you've got a Oh yeah, can's okay. kN Squatch
says, what about David's experience of something trying to get into his family's trailer
when he was a kid. Yeah, that's a whole nother long story,
gotcha, gotcha. I could give a short version of it, or I
can wait. We can wait until I do the actual thing with you,
if you want, or whichever you want. So I would say that maybe
let's do a part two because I want to make sure that you can do
all the details and give it, you know, give all you need to.
So let's let's maybe hold, let's wait until you come on the show,
which I know is coming up. So there will. I got a
story and I got another one where it's basically your I felt like I grew
up, which is in Weaberville, California, in Triney County, California,
and that that one is a whole nether, a whole nether experience. So
David, I'm excited to chat with you on the show. How are you
do you go to any festivals in Oregon? There's one coming up that probably
will go to. It's over I think it's over by oak Ridge or something
like that. I'll see you there, yeah, or nice there you go.
I think I'll be at that and we go. We've been to the
Bigfoot Museum with Cliff Bradman Museum. Been there, but really that's about it.
Cool at this point, we're going to LBL though, Oh you're going
all the way out to LBL. Yeah, we're going. When we're gonna
be there, we're gonna arrive in and Nashville on a third, uh,
and then we're gonna actually go out to the l on the Fort and then
we're coming back on the eighth, just by yourself for you going out with
a group. Me and my wife are going there and there's a whole huge
group. Oh is it the thing that Squashing Hollers was talking about in the
comments? Yeah, the mean grete. Oh man, dude, that's awesome.
You're going all the way out for that. We're flying man. Yeah,
and I'm in Iowa and I'm not even going someday. Oh man,
you gotta go. I know, I know. It sounds like it's not
just going to be a one time deal. I bet it's going to be
going on more than once. So yeah, you know, like with Sodusty
with be TV and stuff, they've they've done for years. So it's oh
okay, cool kind of not maybe an annual thing, but maybe every couple
of years they do it. I goesh, Well, David, thank you
so much for for sharing Sharon your one story of it sounds like many stories,
and we'll be chatting again in the future for sure. You're very welcome,
and I thank you for having me on man yeap talk to you.
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