Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO
news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here's your
host, Alejandro Roja. Thank you for that wonderful introduction. This is Alejandro
Rojas, your host for the evening, and I will be taking you on
a wonderful trip through the beautiful planes of Roswell. Were a UFO crashed and
there were aliens and they freaked people out, and the government hit them away
and threatened people and lied to people, and oh my gosh, it's this
crazy drama that is going to unfold this evening right before your very ears.
We have on as part of a Roswell special because Roswell happened in early July.
July third is when they I think the actual craft crashed, which is
coming up here in just a few days. I know it's almost July already.
My birthdays in July. That means I'm going to be another year old.
We have one of the top experts, Tom Carry on the show tonight.
He has been researching Roswell for a long time and it is now part
of the dynamic duel with Don Schmidt. These are the top guys researching Roswell
now, and he's written the last book, Witness to Roswell with Don,
and they've been doing a lot of research. So we're going to talk to
him about that research. Of course, what he thinks of Annie Jacobson's Area
fifty one book, which recently alleged that Roswell was due to, you know,
the Russians dealing with the Nazis and all kinds of craziness. So we'll
talk about that and many other things. So this is going to be a
lot of fun. And Antonio and I are going to see Don and Tom
and San Friedman read top UFO researchers. I think he has another one.
Kevin Randall's gonna be there too, So the top four those are really the
top four in Roswell. Because we're gonna be at the Roswell. He's in
Antonio and I selling magazines and open mind stuff. So come and see us,
Come and see Tom and Don and Stanton and everybody. Sit on Stanton's
lap. He kind of looks like Santa Claus, and you can make your
Santa Claus wish there and it'll be your Roswell wish he's a Roswell Santa Claus
Man. It'll be a lot of fun. Hell, he loves that,
he loves the attention. And as long as you buy a book, i'm
sure you'll let you sit on this lap and he'll sign up for you while
you're there. So it's gonna be a lot of fun this weekend, And
it's gonna be a lot of fun tonight talking to Tom. So, like
I said, Roswell this weekend, there's still rooms available. Actually, I
was just reading in the news. We've posted some news last week about Roswell
and they said that there are rooms available if you want to get a room
to go check out the festivities there. So of course that's over the July
fourth weekend, from the first to the fourth. And I want to advise
you we're not going to have a show on the Force because Antonio and I
will be coming back from Roswell and all of you will be out partying and
blowing stuff up, because that's what we do. We light firecrackers and blow
stuff up. For some reason, I'm not sure why. Maybe it's to
threaten the British that you better not come back and because we'll blow you up.
We've got everybody's got explosives in America and weapons and we will blow you
up. And it's that's probably why we blow stuff up to keep him from
coming back. We should do that in front of the British Embassy then be
like, you know, come on, you little wissie's we don't care if
you bring James Bond, we'll blow him up too. Put an m ad
down his pants. So that's my theory as to why we blow stuff up
on Independence Day. Move On is also coming up, the move On Symposium.
Of course, we've had some of their speakers as guests recently and that's
going to be July twenty ninth through the thirty first. Also, we do
have a new online video up with some news and information about our new magazine,
Hollywood and UFOs. How exciting does that sound? Well, if that
sounds exciting, you're going to be even more excited when you see the magazine
because it's really cool. When we've got a YouTube you can watch on that.
Although we've got another YouTube video that our news correspondent Jason McClellan put up
that's like skyrocketed almost has one hundred thousand views so far and you've probably seen
that, because well, we have about five hundred thousand listeners probably listening right
now, maybe even three millions. Not all of them have watched yet,
because only one hundred thousand have watched, So go watch that video. I
may be exaggerating our numbers a little bit, but that person that I'm talking
talking about, the news corresponding, Jason McClellan, is actually in the studio
to night because we put UFO News up every day and Jason shares that UFO
news with us. Jason, how are you, buddy? Wonderful as usual,
Alejandro, enjoying the stardom, the stardom from your video doing so well
that there is no stardom and I enjoy that. Oh that's good too,
Excellence. Well, thank you for having me allejndro, It's good to be
here, and greetings everyone. This is your Open Minds News bree for Monday,
June twenty seventh, twenty eleven. There's a new film titled Montauk Chronicles,
and it explores the legends of mind control, time travel, and other
experiments in the presence of extraterrestrials that supposedly took place at Camp hero A.
Now decommissioned Air Force base in Montauk, New York. Tales of experiments being
conducted on nearly one hundred thousand people over the course of ten years. Kidnapping's
murder, torture, time travel, mind control, and extraterrestrial contact are all
said to have occurred at Camp hero And this movie has a release date of
July seventh of this year. And Lee Spiegel from AOL sat down with the
film's creator recently and spoke to him about the process of making this film and
his research and actually filming some of it at Camp Heiro. But all,
Hundra, what is your take on all of this mon Talk story stuff.
Well, I think the Montalk base it does look interesting, more interesting than
I thought. It used to look like maybe it was just his tower,
but it Yeah, it looks like it was mostly underground in this park.
But it's a park where like people go, I mean, it's a park
where people can go. You can't go into these old bunkers or whatever.
But yeah, the Montak cool story is really zany crazy stuff with stargates and
people going to Mars and time traveling, and there was even and I can't
remember the details about stealing Jesus's spear in order to save his life or something
like that. They were doing all these crazy battles aliens coming through the stargates
and wreaking havoc, and I guess they just like throw them through, get
out of here, jerk and throw them back, really really crazy wild stuff.
So maybe there was I think, you know, Spiegel kind of kind
of alludes to in his story. I think that maybe there were some brainwashing
type of experimentation going on there. Who knows. But it's a closed base
now, and I really this Zanier stuff, I'm not sure if I buy.
Honestly, it's like the coolest thing for me about that story. In
the video that Spiegel did with the film's creator, seeing the photos of the
actual base. Yeah, seeing those you know, manhole covers for the underground
whatever and things. Parts of the completely walled off with these brick walls and
things just completely closed differences. Google and I called Antonio overlook, And if
you Google, you can google in on some of that stuff, and you
can google in on the big antenna array and stuff is kind of neat.
It's cool, interesting, Well, it sounds like an interesting movie at least,
so, but it sounds like it's mostly an independent film, and now
it looks like a documentary. It does look like a documentary. Yeah,
so it might be fun. It'll be interesting, that's for sure. Right.
Well, we talked about it last week and we had a conversation about
how I'd probably be speaking about it again this week. And I'm not letting
you down a Lejandro. I'm talking about SETI, of course. Ah those
The SETI, or Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute, is seeking donations from the
public to resume operations at the Allen Telescope Array and had Creek, California.
This move comes just two months after Steady announced the indefinite suspension of operations the
Allen Telescope Array due to budgetary cutbacks. SETI is calling their fundraising efforts SETI
Stars and as The Huffington Post reports, the SETI Stars program was set up
and presented to the SETI Institute by a number of Silicon Valley technologists who wanted
to help SETI raise money by creating something that would take advantage of the evolving
world of social networking. Tom Pearson, seti's CEO, told AOL that the
institute's goal is to raise two hundred thousand dollars from the public and combine that
amount with funds that have already been raised. This level of public support would
enable SETI to resume operations, which include utilizing their array of radio telescopes to
listen for signals from extraterrestrials. According to Pearson, the Allen telescope array costs
brace yourself for this, okay, it costs two and a half million dollars
a year to operate. And you and I had this conversation last week,
Alejandro. There are so many things, so many other efforts that could be
nicely benefited by two and a half million dollars a year. With two and
a half million dollars, I could capture a flying saucer. Well, I
don't know, but might at least I could give it a good go.
Certainly, it seems there are other efforts out there other than listening for something
that might not be there these weird radio radio waves. But there are many
other private companies right now working on their spacecraft to go into space and explore,
and it seems the money would be better spent there. That's my opinion.
I agree with you, yeah, totally. I mean, if they
wanted to send us a message they could. I don't think we need to
be doing these maybe having one guy listening or paying attention, who's in charge
of that? But I mean, yeah, to spend all this money,
like we're going to catch them off guard. Ohen, we're going to catch
one of their signals that was unintended. And as we pointed out before,
said he's not the only organization doing this. There are organizations around the world
doing this with their radio telescopes. Yeah, so two point five million dollars.
I mean, I like what they're doing, but you know, for
that price tag, I think the money's better spent elsewhere. We could have
a network of people across the country with infrared cameras and gear watching the skies
every night. Yeah, we're much better, better use of time and resources
to have that many people watching for UFOs, and then we can pay scientists
to analyze this stuff, right and you know, in a real sense and
say, hey, you know, get better things. And the skeptics telling
us they're birds, right, but we don't have two and a half million
dollars a year. It's not up to us, So we'll let them do
what they do. Yeah, Well, in other news. Academy Award winning
actor Morgan Freeman currently hosts a show called Through the Wormhole on Discovery Network Science
Channel. Freeman challenges viewers to ponder the bold questions surrounding life and existence.
According to The Hollywood Reporter, a Huffington Post article recently stated, for Freeman,
exploring the question of space and existence has been a longtime love. One
of his interests in science fiction. It was that fiction that opened his eyes
to the possibilities of reality. Freeman ponders extraterrestrial life on the show. We've
seen different manifestations of others, imaginations of aliens. Aliens could look like anything.
It depends a lot on their environment. We portray them as having two
arms, two legs ahead, two eyes, a nose, two ears,
and that's not necessarily true. They could look more lizardly, and they could
look like anything. Freeman muses, there's just no way of knowing. Through
the Wormholes in its second season on Science the show explored the topic of extraterrestrial
life last season and continues to do so this season. I just found out
about this show, and I say it looks pretty fascinating. Yeah, that's
cool. I love Morgan Freeman. Who doesn't love Morgan Freeman. I mean,
he's one of the coolest guys, does good work, guys on good
stuff. That is one thing that I liked about the War of the World's
movie was his narration was great when he did the Orson Wells pieces at the
beginning and the end. That's about all I liked of the New Or.
He's one of my world raders. Who doesn't love his voice? Yeah,
he's great. He's really great. So that is really exciting. Well,
it's sort of an interesting side note. I mean, here's an actor who,
on more than one occasion has portrayed God. All right, that's true,
and now he's hosting a show that's taking a look at life. He's
been the president at least once too, write I think so in that asteroid
movie he was president, right, right? But which asteroid movie? The
one without the one with Bruce willis the other one? The other one?
Deep Impact? Deep Impact? There you go, I like that one better.
Yeah. Well. Scientists believe that one of Saturn's moons might have a
salty ocean beneath it, beneath its icy shell. A team of scientists use
the Cassini space probe's cosmic dust analyzer sounds cool. That probe has a cosmic
dust analyzer on it sounds like star Trek. They use this to examine plumes
of water spouting from geysers on Saturn's icy moon and Slatus. Analysts show that
the particles closer to the Moon's surface have a high salt concentration. Previous studies
found low amounts of salt and particles that make up Saturn's rings, but by
sampling the geysers directly, research were able to Research was able to determine that
more than ninety nine percent of the ice around the geyser is salt rich.
According to space dot Com, this new study suggests that the reservoirs that feed
the Moon's geysers connect to a larger ocean approximately fifty miles underground. Frank Postberg
of the University of Heidelberg, who led the study, point os out space
dot Com that an underground ocean on Ensulatus could be a target for locating extraterrestrial
life. Space dot Com summarized Postbergs explanation. Unlike other unseen oceans in the
Solar System, the water on Ensulatus is fairly easy to reach Jupiter's moon Europa,
for instance, could have an ocean under a layer of ice, but
retrieving it would require significant effort. By contrast, the geysers on ensulatas pole
material and potentially life should it exist there from its oceans and shoot it into
space. The research was published in the June twenty second online edition of the
journal Nature. Yeah, that's really exciting. I mean, a second planet
with an underwater ocean. That is just I love the thought of that because
your imagination runs wild of the type of creatures that could be in some sort
of extraterrestrial ocean, right, and what if life evolved there and became intelligent,
I mean, an underwater civilization. How cool is that? Then,
just in the pescal of months, we've also talked about new studies that add
to the evidence to support that there is an ocean underground ocean on Titan as
well, another one of Saturn's moons. Yeah, that's exciting. What if
there's an advanced civilization under water there. They came here and they have a
secret base under the water. Maybe though it's supposed based by Puerto Rico,
that's these guys, it's certainly a possibility there Allejandro amazing. But it's discoveries
like this that, you know, force us to rethink our search for extraterrestrial
life. Because we've talked about this before, it seems like there's a closed
minded approach where they're just looking for another Earth. Yeah, it's got to
be exactly like Earth, or else there can't be life. And it's these
kinds of things. You have these scientists with these closed minds, and it's
these kind of things that have to pry those minds open because out of the
box is just a totally foreign thing to these guys, right, they can't
think out of the box, so need these wild things that they discovered to
kind of open up their their perception. Well, and then with this moon
with assault ocean, you know that that helps too, because that's more familiar
to us as salt ocean, that's like our ocean, you know, as
opposed to other methane oceans or whatever these some of these other planets might have.
But when it's more familiar to us, something more earth like, then
people pay attention to it and get really excited about it. Yeah. But
I'm with you there. I think there's underwater stuff there and underwater stuff here.
Dolphin people all underwater. Well, this was pretty big news today.
It continues to be big news, and it's kind of mysterious as to why
that is. But videos have surfaced online that reportedly show multiple UFOs above London
on the afternoon of Friday, June twenty fourth, that's this past Friday.
The UFOs and the videos are lights in the daytime sky that don't have the
appearance of the traditional metal aircraft. These orbs are shown hovering in the sky,
then dipping behind clouds, seemingly playing hide and seek with the camera.
Two videos of these orb UFOs were uploaded to the Internet by the same person.
He uploaded his first video on June sixteenth, and the description accompanying that
video explains that he had been seeing these odd lights over central London randomly for
the past week and he finally managed to get them on camera on the evening
of Wednesday, June fifteenth. According to The Telegraph, this video is believed
to have been shot from inside the offices of a visual effects company called The
Mill, a company that creates special effects for the film industry. That's a
little detail. It certainly raises doubts regarding the authenticity of the alleged UFOs well.
The second video uploaded is creating an international buzz right now, and the
description provided on that video states right took over a week to get it,
but finally managed to get these critters on camera on a clear day and even
get it close up. It seems to be tracked in quite a crowd now
when they appear. Can anyone explain what on earth these lithar pleas? A
response to this video is posted to YouTube by a user by the user hoaxkiller
one to point out a flaw in the video is one of the one of
the UFOs is passing behind a building. It's temporarily visible in front of the
building instead of behind the building, which led hoax killer one to conclude that
this object is clearly fake and was made using computer generated graphics. Another issue
with the UFO in the video is that at times they appear to match the
movements of the shaky camera, something that indicates less than perfect motion tracking by
the video's creator. This flaw was also noticed by hoax killer one, who
stated in the description of his video, they didn't match move the UFO with
enough precision to match the camera shake, so you can see it as bouncing
around. There are other videos from June twenty fourth that appear to show the
same orbs in the sky above London, but the veracity of these videos is
also unclear. It's under screwt because the problems with the initial video, the
UFOs and the videos. All of the videos remain unidentified and while they're unconfirmed.
While the theory is unconfirmed, the general consensus is it's all bogus.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's getting so much play because it was
over the BBC building and in the video it looks like, you know,
they're coming across people who are already looking right, which could be their coworkers.
Let's all go outside and stay interesting. And I think that's why it's
so exciting, because what I had noticed was two things, not only the
shake, because the object should you know, be totally aligned with like the
clouds in its movement. If the clouds wiggles, it should wiggle the same,
and right it was there at least one moment where they're shaking wasn't aligned
correctly. The other is the soft In a lot of the fakes, these
objects, especially the smaller further away, will have like a soft halo around
them, whereas real objects are hard. You know, look at a lot
of the UFO videos, even some that turn out to be birds or otherwise,
and I've seen several of I've even seen myself what appear to be orbs
or something in the day sky, a little thing flying by, and they're
really hard edges, not kind of this light edges like these things had.
So that's what threw me. But then the wall where the object is seen
on the side of the wall when it's supposed to be going behind the building.
That is something that Bruce mcabee has cut other people with fakes with that
very thing before. So yeah, it looks like it's a big hoaxer on
this one, right, And I think a lot of people were hopeful with
this one that this could be something credible, because like with the Jerusalem UFO,
you've got different different locations here that supposedly cost the same thing, multiple
cameras, multiple locations, but lots of red flags with this one. So
yep, So obviously we don't know for sure, but it looks like hoax.
Yeah too bad looking bad yep. Well, since I've just talked about
London, I'll continue talking about London, good old, great especially since you
sort of threatened the British blowing stuff up, Alejandro, Well, we gained
our independent that's what we're celebrating, and we're blowing stuff up. That's just
my guess as to why we blow stuff up. Americans love to blow stuff
up. Yeah, just for that kind of Well, scientists and other experts
will be gathering in London to discuss the search for extraterrestrial life. As First
Perspective reported this weekend, this will be a two day meeting of Britain's Royal
Society to consider the progress made and the challenges posed in the hunt for alien
beings. And as he has done before, Arizona State University astrophysicist Paul Davies
will be on hand to discuss how aliens could be right under our noses or
even in our noses. Davies, of course speaks about microbial life that could
have arrived here from another planet, the old pin sperma theory. Yeah,
yeah, which is always interesting. So yeah, that's really cool, that's
really cool. The Royal Society has done this many times before, something they're
very interested in. And these are the top of the top scientists doing cool
stuff. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, hopefully, you know, they'll figure
something out. Who knows they Well, we'll see. Yeah, all right,
Ellehundra. That is it for the news. Remember to check out these
stories and more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news.
I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds News correspondent, and you've been briefed back
to you, Eleandro. All right, thank you, Jason, And actually
I'm gonna write about this in a couple of days about Moscow. There's another
meeting going on, a SETI type of meeting in Moscow this week, and
they are much more open minded in Russia than even our Western world friends out
there in the UK when they are friends. Hey, I love the UK.
I'm not threatening to blow them up. I just think that maybe that's
the thing we're doing for the Independence Day. But this is really exciting,
all this talk about science and astrobiology and trying to discover ways to talk about
UFOs and extraterustrial intelligence. In fact, there was a story just today that
came out that one of these Russian scientists is predicting that definitely in the next
twenty years we will find extraterrestrial life. I think he's talking about probably some
basic indications of life. And these days, with all of these astronomical discoveries,
I think people are feeling that that could be a conservative estimate, it
may be a lot sooner than that. So these are exciting times people.
As far as some of the other stories that we have going on on the
website, we have I talked earlier about Tom Carey, who's going to be
on our show in a little bit, and we've had Don Schmidt on the
show not too long ago, and their book Witness to Roswell. They had
made some pretty interesting discoveries and they got these discoveries from witnesses, eyewitnesses mostly
but not completely firsthand witnesses. One of those being about people seeing a trailer
caring what seemed to be a craft through the town in Roswell. Michael wrote
a story on that with some really neat images from a gentleman named John McNeil
who has kind of illustrated what that might have looked like. And these are
really cool images and we just posted another one today and actually I'll be talking
to Tom about this, and that is the Secret of Hanger P Three So
it was really P three was the name of the hangar where they took the
stuff, the Roswell vehicle and the aliens, and John McNeil has then another
cool graphic to show what that might have looked like. But we talked about,
you know, some of the witnesses who had seen or heard about some
of the military guys who were on the actual base who saw the planes coming
and going. How many planes were coming and going? Why so many planes
were coming and going? So Michael Schratt wrote about that as well. So
some really cool stories that we have on Roswell now that we are gearing up
for the anniversary which is coming up in just a few days. What is
that Monday Tuesday? That's like Sunday, the crashers on the third. I
think the third is Sunday. I can't believe it's July already. So those
are some of the stories that you can see on the website. Really,
some of the stories that have been getting a lot of press are the ones
that Antonio wrote on the Argentina Air Force and their UFO commission, because that's
really exciting that they have a real UFO commission. They're working with civilian UFO
ufologists. And then also Jason's UFO over Mexico video that I talked about earlier,
that's on our YouTube, or you can, of course come and see
it on our website openlind dot tv. But without further ado, let's go
ahead and bring on Tom Carey and talk some Roswell. All right, I
am very happy to have on the phone Tom, carry Tom. Thank you
for joining us. My pleasure, alhandro have a great day. Sun's out
here, and I hope it's sunny where you're at. Oh yeah, we're
in Arizona. So we're in the desert and it's sunny and very hot one
hundred and fifteen today. I think, oh my goodness. Yeah, but
it's dry, right, it's dry heat. It is dry. It is
very different in fact, and plus the low elevation, like in Colorado where
I'm from, you know, you would die. And I used to think
people must die in Arizona. But it's different. You can tolerate a higher
heat out here, absolutely so. And it's we're going to be talking about
the desert that the New Mexico Desert. I guess to start off, I
wanted to know how you first got interested in the Roswell case. Well,
I never heard of the Roswell Case. To be honest with you, until
nineteen eighty, I was a graduate student at the University of Toronto and someone
had I was in a local UFO group there and someone mentioned that a book
was coming out on the Roswell Incident. And I had lived in California,
in Sacramento for ten years, and just east of Sacramento was a town called
Roseville. So I thought, oh, they mean Roseville, not Roswell,
and they said, no, Roswell, New Mexico. I never heard of
it. So in nineteen eighty when the book came out, of course I
bought it and I was just transfixed by this story that, as opposed to
lights in the sky and people describing lights flitting about, here was a craft
that apparently allegedly had crashed with wreckage and bodies, and it had been covered
up for decades and this had just everything that piqued my interest. So that
was my original introduction to the Roswell case, was the nineteen eighty book The
Roswell Incident. And were you already interested in UFOs, then yes, I
was, Alejandro. I was interested. As a teenager, I read the
Donald Keyhoe books, who to this day remains my favorite author about UFOs.
Kehoe wrote half a dozen or so books about flying saucers as they were known
then, and that the interest really never died. I sort of suppressed it
for a while while I was in graduate school, but I still read.
I was still interested in UFOs and read books even when I was in graduate
school, and so it never really died. And when I came back to
Philadelphia in the late seventies, and I guess on into the mid eighties,
I wanted to actually do something other than just read the books. I wanted
to become involved. And by that time there were additional articles coming out about
the Roswell case by Kevin Randall and Don Schmidt, who were writing in the
periodical The International Reporter for the Jay Allen Heinez Center for you excuse me,
UFO Studies. So that's how I became re acquainted with UFOs, and especially
the Roswell incident was in that manner. And so eventually, of course she
became partnered up with that Don, And now you continue that partnership looking into
it. How did that happen? Yes, Well, as you know,
nineteen ninety seven was the fiftieth anniversary year of the Roswell Incident nineteen forty seven
and nineteen ninety seven, and all of the hooplah that's around the case sort
of came to a crescendo with national media coverage. Most of the books ever
written about Roswell were written in nineteen ninety seven, and by that time I
had been working with Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall in their investigation of the Roswell
incident. I was oh. I joined the team by investigating one aspect of
the case for them, and by ninety seven the case was on the cover
of Time magazine, was on all the networks, et cetera, et cetera.
So after the ninety seven hoopla, most of the researchers left the field.
They had written their books and it was never going to get any more
popular than that it was in ninety seven. But I wanted to continue a
proactive and I emphasized the word proactive investigation of the Roswell Incident. And by
proactive, I mean not just sitting around waiting for people to call me or
send me emails, but to actually go out there and start shaking the tree
for witnesses and information. And at that point I met Don Schmidt in Chicago
during a QFOS for the Center for UFO Studies meeting, and we decided to
take a trip to Roswell together in May of nineteen ninety eight to just see
what if there was anything left to investigate. And that's been what thirteen years
ago, and we're still a team, and there's been plenty to learn since
then. It wasn't it wasn't a dead case. There were still nuggets to
find and we're still working on it. So in that trip in nineteen eighty
nine, you Wall discovered there was more to research. What did you discover
on that trip, well, this would be nineteen ninety eighth, ninety eight.
The first thing we discovered was there was a old time witness still alive
named Frank Joyce, and I remember it distinctly. We Joyce lived in Albuquerque.
He had been just retired as a newsman, a features editor, a
features reporter for KOB TV in Albuquerque, and over the years, Joyce had
told his story about being a reporter on the radio station KGFL in Roswell in
nineteen forty seven when Mac Brasel the sheep Brancher. He's the one that first
found the wreckage join his ranch the strange wreckage, and he came in and
Brasel came into town and went to the Sheriff's office and told his story to
Sheriff George Wilcox. And just at that point, Wilcox received a phone call
from Frank Joyce, who at that point was spinning records and talking about cattle
feed and good bargains and farming equipment and stuff like that on the radio station.
And he asked Wilcox, the sheriff, or do you have any good
stories I can use on the air, you know, some human interest anything
happened. Let me know. I'll put it on the air. And he
says, well, by the way, I have a fellow standing here right
next to me, by the name of mac Brasel. He runs a sheep
ranch out in near Corona, and he's found all of this, this strange
wreckage on his ranch. And here, let me put him on the phone.
And so Joyce interviewed Brassel over the phone, and he told Joyce some
things that Joyce never revealed to anyone until that day in May of nineteen ninety
eight that Don Schmidt and I visited with him. He said, I'm going
to tell you some things I've alluded to over the years but never really told
anybody until now. I'm going to tell you. So once I get started,
don't stop me, because I might not I might, I just might
not start up again. So we let him talk, and he revealed the
so called rest of the story that he knew about Brasl, most notably that
Brazl had found bodies in addition to the Strange wreckage. All these years,
Joyce had talked about the Strange wreckage, but never mentioned the bodies that Brasel
had found. And he said, I have Joyce to quote, and he
said, I always said there was more to my story, but that I
didn't want to reveal it until that day in May and nineteen ninety eight,
when fortuitously Don Schmidt and I showed up and he felt like revealing it.
And that was the first inkling to us that there is more to learn about
the Roswell story. And right off the bat we got that information right and
then and you can continued. I mean, you found this witness, and
you continue to find more witnesses, and you continue to find them to this
day. Absolutely, we've got some new ones the last week. Wow,
we're still working on them. But it's not that they come forward and say,
oh boy, here I am. I want to be interviewed. It's
just not that way at all. And when that happens, ninety nine times
out of one hundred, the stories are bogus, and the witnesses or bogus.
The witnesses that really are genuine are the ones that we have to really
search for and dig out because they don't come forward. You have to actually
find them. It's like I said, shake the tree. If you're not
shaking the tree, you're not going to find any because they're not going to
fall into your lap. So it's a very detailed, a labor of the
what they call it labor intensive. It's labor intensive. It's you just don't
sit back and they come rolling in. You've got to go after them.
And a lot of people find that daunting. And I know myself when when
it's a day where I'm going to make phone calls to try to locate and
interview witnesses, I have to psych myself up because it is very daunting to
call somebody up. Yeah, out of the blue, cold Turkey. They
don't know me, and the first ten seconds are critical to identify yourself and
the reason you're calling and hope that they don't hang up on you. So
that's and I'm still doing that. So and the procedure you guys go through,
so essentially, for instance, you'll find out who the officers or who
the people at the base were and then start tracking those people. Absolutely,
it's lots of times we'll get leads. Lots of times people will give us
leads, but they won't give us name. So how can we check something
if we don't have names? So what we do, short of someone telling
us go interview former airman John Smith, what we do is we have a
copy of the Roswell based yearbook from nineteen forty seven with three hundred I'm sorry,
three thousand pictures and names to go with them in the yearbook. So
what I do is I'll pick names, not like John Smith or Sam Jones
or George Brown. You know, you have to pick a name that's idiosyncratic,
that's unique enough that you have a stand a chance of finding the name
in the online directory. That's how we do it, and I've been very
successful at that. If you don't if the person is still is no longer
alive, in most cases, they are not no longer they are no longer
alive. You'll get a family member, because oftentimes they'll list they'll still list
the the name under the deceased, the husband, if it's a if it's
a wife, they'll they'll still list it under the husband husband's name, even
though he's deceased. Have you ran across the situation where you get a hold
of one of these guys and they're relieved to hear from you. They're like,
I've been wanting to talk to somebody about this once. In all of
the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of phone calls that I've made, it's happened
once, and that was Earl Fulford. Oh, I'd say about six years
ago. It just happened to I. He was just a name and a
face in the yearbook, former sergeant in the A five oh ninth bomb Group,
worked in the Air Engineering Squadron that the refurbished to be twenty nine engines.
And I called him. He lives. He lived, He just died
recently. His wife is still alive. They live in Plano, Florida.
And I called the number, not knowing if the the was still alive or
you know, and his wife answered, and she says, Oh, I'm
so glad you've called. Yes, my husband is right here. He's been
he is ready to talk. He wants to talk to somebody. I couldn't
believe it. Yes, it was. It was so out of the ordinary.
I couldn't I thought I was dreaming. I thought I was dreaming.
And he turned out to be a terrific witness. He knew a lot.
He told us everything that he knew and as a matter of fact, he
was featured in the UFO Hunter's Show when we were in Roswell two years ago.
He took us out to the hangar where he worked, and we took
him out to the Brazle ranch where the all the wreckage came down, and
unfortunately he died within two weeks of returning home. So h but he was
just a great guy. And I still correspond with his wife and uh,
that was the one case where someone actually was happy to have me call him.
He's it's the other way around. And with him, what what was
some of the stuff he revealed to you immediately are or well? He was
one first of all, he was one of the airmen. He was a
sergeant that we'll call him airman that was UH put on a truck and driven
out to the debris field site to actually pick up the wreckage. And he
described to us how many airmen were with him at the time, what they
did, and he described the wreckage that he actually personally handled. And his
description was was typical of the description for this so called memory metal, the
metal that you can wade up in your hand. You can crickle it up
into a ball and just let it go and it'll flatten right out before it
hits the ground or a table or something like that. You can't cut it,
scratch it, burn it, or deform it, or deface it in
he manner. And he described how he had trouble putting these pieces of memory
metal in his burlap sack. They were each each chairman was given a burlap
sack to put to put anything that wasn't natural that was those were the instructions,
put anything that's not natural into this burlac burlap sack. And then they
would UH on their way out, they would hand over the sacks and they
would all be dumped into a wheelbarrow. So he described how he would pick
up a piece of this memory metal and crinkle it up like a piece of
you know, paper that you're just wadding up to toss in the trash can.
He would toss it in there, but it would flatten right out immediately
and it would get stuck. He would miss the bag, he would it
would just float around, and he says, what is this? So he
got he finally got the neck of it. He kept his hand wrapped around
the piece of the metal, memory metal, and he would put his hand
way down in the burlap bag before he released it so it would stay in
the bag. And that was sort of ant because he's the only one that
really described something utilitarian as putting a piece of it in a bag and the
way he had to do it. So and you know, when their shift
was over, they would they you know, they lined up and they handed
their bags to a central depository and then they were taken back to the base.
The other interesting story he told There were two other stories that Earl Fulford
told us. The one was that he at this time he got off his
shift. This was the on July the eighth, nineteen forty seven, actually
a day or two before they drove him out to the crash site. He
had a friend in his squadron who was a truck driver, and they were
eating chow or they were eating breakfast at the alcohol about six am, and
they noticed his friend, the sergeant George Howke, having breakfast by himself and
they could see out in the parking lot this long, low boy tractor trailer.
And so he goes over and he says, so you know what you're
doing here, George, And he says, oh, I'm I'm going up
north, going up north. This was the north of town. And oh,
that's interesting. Do you know why? He says, No, they
just told me to get a low boy and head north of town. After
he had have breakfast. Well that, you know, that was sort of
the end of the you know, great, have a great day, you
know. So Fulford's getting off his shift around four No, I guess it's
about about four pm in the afternoon, and he can he's heading for his
car. He had a car, and they were he and another fellow were
heading for the car, heading for the parkt Nope, I strike that they
were heading for the NCO Club. That's where they were heading. They were
heading for the NCO Club across the base and they were walking across the parkty
they saw this low boy coming in in through the through the main gate and
heading heading for them, and it was actually heading for the the big hangar
where all of the wreckage was being deposited. And he says, that's that's
George halk and he could see there was a tarpouland on the back and something
under the tarpoulan. So he goes out into the middle of the road there
and we went to that spot when the Earl was was brought to Roswell two
years ago. I said, George, where Earl word had this happen?
He says, right, okay, let me take you to it. So
we stood right there where he flagged down this big tractor trailer with a low
boy, and so the tractor stops and it's George Houcken there and so Earl
says, where you been, George? He says, well, I've been
up north And he says, well, what do he got there under the
tarp And he says, I can't tell you. He says, oh,
sure you can. So Earl and his friend they head back to the back
of the low boy and they're about to lift up the tarp to see what's
under there, and help jumps out of the truck and he says, get
away from there, get away from there. You can't look, And he
says why not. He says, I don't know. They just told me
not to let anyone look under the tar. Well, so with that he
tells Fulford and his friend to go, you know, get out of there,
and which they do. They continued across to the NCA Club and how
drives the low Boy right into the big hangar where all of the wreckage is
being deposited. Well, we know from witnesses in Roswell who saw the trailer
go right through the center of town with this tarp that there was wreckage underneath.
They could see parts of it sticking out, and at least one occasion
the tarp flap back and someone could see an egg shaped, silvery egg shaped
craft underneath the tarp, parts of it anyway, so we know that's what
it was. We know he came from the so called impact site, which
was different from the BRASL site, and the impact site is where the part
of the shift that didn't disintegrate when it exploded. The rest of it went
another thirty miles and came to rest just north of Broswell and that's what how
was hauling back to the base. Have you ever been able to get a
hold of him, Yes, he's still alive. I've talked to him several
times. And first he tried to claim he didn't know Earl Fulford and they
were best friends. And I can tell you, having been in the Air
Force myself in the sixties, you never forget who your best friends were.
And he tried to claim he never heard of Earl Fulford. And then I
reminded him of this story and he says, oh, yes, I know
who you're talking about. He wouldn't devulge what it was. In fact,
he wouldn't have. He denied driving the truck. Now, Earl Fulford has
never lied to me. Everything he said has checked out. And how first
denied that he drove the truck, and my most recent call to him,
which was maybe a six months ago, he denied ever hearing about the Roswell
incident or being aware of anything on the base that took place of this nature,
which is just absolute nonsense. So that's his fall back position. I
don't know what you're talking about. I never heard of Roswell. I wasn't
aware of anything that took place. On the base, and so he's what
we call a reluctant witness. When you're calling these witnesses, what percentage I
mean, are most of them reluctant or what is kind of the percentage?
They're very tight lift because you're now sixty four years removed from the event,
And if we're just finding them now and they've not spoken to anybody, that
means that they've made a conscious decision not to say anything. So you can
tell by the tenseness in their voice, by the tone of their voice whether
they're trying to snow you or they're lying to you. So it's actually sometimes
it's a benefit when the person has actually passed away and it's a family member
that you're talking to. Oftentimes they feel less constrained than the deceson. So
even when you get a hold of the family member, you'll still kind of
of a deceased person. You'll still explain who you are and what you're doing
and ask them if they have any stories. Yes, yes, And like
I said, sometimes it's a benefit because the family member is less constrained.
Sometimes they're not. They I mean some I mean sometimes they're just as constrained
as the season who's probably told them, don't ever talk about this, so
we never know what we're going to get, is what I'm trying to tell
you. And usually the ones, the ones that were thinking, oh,
this person really knows what happened, they claim not to know anything. And
oftentimes when you're just calling a name that you don't know that, they will
surprise you and know quite a bit. Wow. And then have you ran
across a family member who's been like that where they're they're happy, they want
to share what. Yes. A woman named Carlene Green, she's in our
book, both of our editions of Witness to Roswell. She told us of
a deathbed confession of her father, and no one had interviewed her. We
just found her, oh, just at random. And her father was a
sergeant again out at the crash site, ticking up the debris, and he
also saw the bodies. He described the bodies just as others had described them
as three to four feet tall, large head, frail body, no nose,
no ears, just a little slit for a mouth and slightly slanted eyes.
And he never told his daughter, Carlene Green about it until he was
literally on his deathbed. The ambulance was coming to pick him up to take
him into the hospital for open heart surgery. He didn't know and she didn't
know if he was going to make it, and just deserved about to wheel
him into the ambulance. He calls his daughter over and he says, I
just want to tell you that Roswell. Now here's a guy on his deathbed
and he wants to tell his daughter about Roswell, about the fact that it
was real, It really happened. He was out there and he saw the
bodies, the wreckage and can you imagine that? Wow? And he told
her talk to your brother. He knows everything that I've told him. So
he had told his son, but he didn't tell his He never told his
daughter until he was on the guarney being wheeled out to the ambulance. So,
yeah, that was a case where she was happy to talk to us.
Wow. And so even though there's a lot of people who are reluctant
to speak about it, you've still gathered quite a number of witnesses. Yes,
this is over the years. This includes everybody that that we've ever talked
to that knew and told us something about the Roswell incident. We've made many
more calls than than the six hundred plus witnesses that we have, but of
the we've probably made twenty five hundred calls and that we've got over six hundred
that have have had information to share with us. Now, they're not all
first hand witnesses. Many of them are secondhand witnesses, but they they corroborate
what the first hands have told us. Now, sometimes we'll get a witness
you know, if you get if you have enough witnesses that are saying pretty
much the same thing, you a template forms of an image, and if
you get someone whose story is so far out of that template, you more
or less have to dismiss that as as either bogus or something just that just
doesn't fit, you know, because if you get enough testimony that that it's
and somebody is telling you Q, then you know that that's not it's either
not part of the same story or it's fogus. So that's how we've been
able to more or less put all of the pieces. It looks like a
jigsaw puzzle. The more pieces that you fit in, the clearer the picture
becomes. And that's where we're at now. I'd say we have perhaps ninety
percent of the story what we're missing is what happened to the bodies after they
left Fort Worth and Roswell and wound up at right Field or right Patterson Air
Force Base. What happened to them, especially the one that was alive that
the witnesses have told us about that air that part of the story is still
a little foggy. Out of those six hundred witnesses, about how many what
percentage of those would you say are firsthand? That's a good question. See,
our mandate is to interview as many as we can, so right now
we don't have the statistics, but I would say firsthand, I would say
a third, So that's still what like two hundred people? Yes, that's
a lot, Yes, somewhere, I would say somewhere between a quarter and
a third. The rest are second hand. Yeah, but these secondhand ones
we're telling you about are the ones that corroborate with the first hands. I've
told her help fill in the picture. And the reason I asked that is
because, of course we've seen the Annie Jacobson Area fifty one book come out.
Yes, recently Yahoo News did a really terrible Rockwell story where their facts
are not straight and they never addressed the witnesses. Nope, they see in
the case of Annie Jacobson now here we have over six hundred witnesses and we've
named them. You know, it's not like, jeez, I wonder who
these people are. We've named them. She has a single witness that's anonymous.
Now, you know, any court of law would dismiss that as hearsay.
And it's only one one. We've got hundreds, and you know,
the way of evidence is just overwhelming. When you try to pit one explanation
against the other, it's just not even a contest. There are other claimed
explanations, but again those are usually based on anonymous witnesses. And unfortunately for
Annie Jacobs and she didn't know anything about Roswell before, and she doesn't know
how to separate what would the fact from fiction, and so whatever this anonymous
person told her, apparently she believed. And it isn't worth worth anything because
it's the witness is anonymous. It's unfortunate too that people like her don't do
their research, and you all have made it very easy for them to do
that. You've got your book Witness to Oswell people can refer to get a
fuller story about what's going on. And like you said, named witnesses that
they can even contact themselves. Well, what you do in those cases if
you're like anti Jacobson, you don't want to know what's been the learned so
far. You just don't want to know because it contradicts what you're trying to
say. So, I mean, journalists do it all the time when they
when they have a point of view that they want to advance, they don't
consult what's going before because they don't want to know. So that's what she's
done. And I think what's interesting is her book was supposed to be about
Area fifty one, but everybody focused on what she said about Roswell, and
she got to a point where she didn't want to talk about the Roswell part
of her book because she was taking a lot of heat for it, and
rightly so. But it's the same with the Nick Redford story about the what
is it bodies and mattress in the desert something like that. Well, he
had anonymous sources as well, and you can't you can't face a theory on
an you know that you want to put in a book on anonymous sources.
It just doesn't it doesn't have any weight then you can do that happen,
and you know it's most the kind of a fiction type of piece. I
mean, I mean you can you can make up anything. Yeah, that's
that's why they're uh, they're not a secondhand testimony or hearsay is not is
not allowable in courts of law because you can make up anything, and I
submit that they have. Yeah. So do you feel there's a lot more
work to be done on the Roswell case? Well, uh, we are
just in a of course, we're I would say ninety five percent of the
people who were involved in Roswell firsthand are gone now and there are very few
left. That's becoming clearer and clearer to me, very few left. But
we will take second hand sources because they they especially if they corroborate what everyone
else has told us. What we are really focusing on now is trying to
find a piece of physical evidence, the only thing we're missing. And whenever
we debate a debunker, usually you know somebody like what is that fella's name?
Bill? Now? Is that Bill ny? Mister science? He doesn't
know anything about Roswell, hardly anything. The fallback position for them is,
well, show me a piece of show me a piece of the ship.
See. To them, that's evidence is if you have physical evidence, that's
the evidence. But the thing is in courts of law, testimony, if
compelling enough is evidence. Testimony has sent many a person to the gas chamber.
And uh, but to the debunkers, the only evidence that's acceptable is
physical evidence. So, uh, we think we've won the case. Legally.
We've been told many times by lawyers that it would be a slam dunk,
but uh, scientifically, we need a piece of physical evidence, and
that's uh, that's that's what we're focusing on. We call it the holy
Grail of Roswell. Would be a piece of physical evidence. Now. The
only story I can recall of someone having a piece was uh, what was
it, Matt Brassele's brother, Oh, his son Bill Bill we used we
usually refer to him as Bill Junior to uh differentiate him from his father.
But it's just the Bill Bill Brassele hm. Uh. For for two years,
you know, whenever he wrote the Ring, and he was still finding
little pieces of he called them scraps, but they were pieces of the ship.
Especially after a rain, you know, they would wash up and he
would whatever he found he put in a cigar box and included some of the
memory metals. And so in nineteen forty nine, this is two years after
the crash, he was in Corona in the bar there Wade's Bar, talking
about it that he had a cigar box. He mentioned he had a cigar
box full of that stuff. And the very next day, some airmen showed
up at his house, his ranch house, and they said, well,
we understand that you have a cigar box full of some items, and he
said yes. And Bill said he could tell by their demeanor that they were
going to have that cigar box. So they asked him for the cigar box,
and he gave it to them. And he said later on that he
wished he hadn't given it to them, But back in nineteen forty nine,
you pretty much did what the military said. You know, they had just
won World War Two and they were at the height of their power and influence
among the American people, and so he gave it to them. But he
had he had some wreckage in there. Yeah, and unfortunately it's gone.
Now over the years, you've probably had other people come and tell you they've
got pieces and parts. We've had some, but they've all that they've all
when it came to producing it, they all couldn't produce it. It was
somebody else or it was somewhere else. So those stories you have to conclude
were bogus. Yeah, so I guess your plan then is probably to do
more archaeological kind of Yes, we are planning another archaeological dig on the Brazle
Ranch, the JB. Foster Ranch, which was run by mac Brasel.
This is where most of the debris came down and little pieces. The difference
this time will be that we're going to dig in outlying areas, even away
from the crash site, because the material from all descriptions was very light and
the wind kicks up out there. So the thought is that the wind had
blown pieces of it away from the site that the GI's, the GIS or
the airmen who were sent out clean up the site would have missed. And
so that's what we're going to do. We're going to concentrate on the outlying
areas to the site, and granted it's still a needle in the haystack situation,
it will be totally fortuitous if we find anything because it's a big desert
out there and the wind blows in circles and it can blow that stuff away
for miles. So it definitely will be a just a matter of luck if
we find something. But that's the only proactive thing we can do as far
as trying to find a piece of the wreckage, short of someone saying,
well, we've had a piece in the family for sixty years and we're ready
to let you have a look at it. So I had a fellow I
talked to a couple of years ago. He says, oh, yeah,
we had a piece of it. We used it as a door stop for
years, lived in Roswell. He said, yeah, we used it as
a doorstop. I said, well, where is it? He says,
well, I don't know. We've moved a couple of times and it got
lost in the shuffle of moving. So that's well, you know, we
get stuff like that. That's funny. So people in Roswell should check their
doorstops. Then we have another woman whose husband ran the radio station in Roswell
back in forty seven and their son had gone out to the crash site and
they had taken some pieces before the military got there, and the story is
that he kept it locked up in a bank deposit. What do they have
in banks, some sort of deposit box or something you can keep things in.
He kept it for decades there, and then he brought it home and
put it in the attic. And I even volunteered to go through in her
attic to look for it. And she says, oh no, she says,
I've already done that and I can't find it. So there's another case.
Another case is Jesse Marcel. We think there's a piece, a good
chance that they put a piece of the wreckage underneath the patio. They had
just poured a patio outside their back, outside the back door, and they
had a piece of it, and they, you know, they said,
well, we better get rid of this, and so they went out Marcel
and Sheridan cabt the counterintelligence cap and they went out back with the piece and
came back without it. So well, we think that they put it underneath
the patio. Unfortunately, the patio is now part of a a not an
extension, but an add on to the house. It's now a you know,
a utility room, the base of a utility room inside the house.
So to dig that up you'd have to tear down the structure of the additional
building. You know, oh man. So we've also had a story that
there's a piece that someone put in the wall of the big hangar. Okay,
well that's a big hangar. What part of the wall? You know?
So stuff like that that so far we are unable to follow up one.
Do you have any feeling or any hope that there would be any way
to get the government to come clean on Roswaw. No, they will never
come clean on Roswell, and by extension, they will never come clean on
UFOs because they don't want to answer any questions about Roswell, most notably the
brutish behavior that they engaged into silence civilian witnesses back in nineteen forty seven.
They were today we would call them civil rights violations. They used threats of
life and limb to silence civilians, which they cannot do. So they will
never come clean on Roswell because of that. So there's just no hope there,
no, And by extension, we believe that they won't ever come clean
on UFOs because as sooner or later, the question will get back to what
happened at Roswell and they don't want to answer those questions, no matter how
silly their position today looks that it was a balloon and these anthropomorphic dummies from
the sky that were dropped from parachutes just ridiculous. Well then you know,
even reading that like in the recent Yahoo News I think it was Yeahoo News,
and they wrote about how the Air Force has already come clean. They
already told us it was the Mogul balloon. And then later these stories of
bodies were these crash just dummies and the people are confusing their memory. They're
they're just the following the Air Force line, that's all they're They don't want
to know anything else, so they're just accepting at face value what the Air
Force said that it was a Project Mogul. First there was a weather balloon
and they admitted they lied about that, and then it became a Project Mogul
balloon, which sounds good until you actually examine that position and it falls apart
like a cheap suit. But they don't want to know the facts, so
they just parrot the Air Force position, and you know, how can you
debate somebody like that. They don't want to know, they don't know the
facts, and they just they just repeat the the Air Force line. Yeah,
that's unfortunate. Yeah, it's it's a very juvenile way of looking something.
You know. It's like in grade school you do a book report.
You know, you don't know a whole lot, so you just basically parrot
what was in the book. And in this case, they they don't want
to know the alternative explanations because it might upset their their the point of view
that they're trying to put forth, so they just they accept the Air Force
story that that it was a Project Mogul balloon and that the stories about little
people were actually these anthropomorphic dummies that they dropped from the sky actually ten years
after Roswell. So it's just absolutely no connection. And that's that's such a
flimsy excuse or answer they have for that, which is that the witness's memories
are fuzzy. Yeah, and they're mistakingly saying it happened something they call time
compression. Now, I've never come across anybody that's suffered from time compression,
meaning that if as you age, your mind loses its ability to separate events
in your life time wise. And in this case, they're claiming that the
people who reported seeing the little bodies back in nineteen forty seven were actually referring
to these anthrowarphic dummies, which were six feet tall and were dropped from the
sky by the Air Force and parachute tests in the nineteen fifties. They're saying
that they are unable to do or they're they're conflating or confusing the time periods
involved. Well, anybody that knows anything about aging the aging process, is
that what happens to as you age, And this doesn't happen to everybody,
it only happens to some people, is that you you might forget what you
had for dinner last night, but your long term memory remains intact. Mm.
So that's I mean, that's the fact, is that your long term
memory remains, but you you lose track of more recent things. And that's
only in certain you know, a percentage of cases. But uh, that's
what I think. That's the Air Force position. Silly is as silly as
it is very silly. So you're going to be in Roswell this weekend.
Yes, they have the annual UFO Festival, and Don Schmid and I have
been speakers there and Stan Friedman as well. For i'd say well over ten
years, maybe fifteen years, we're speakers down there, and this year we're
going to be talking about Roswell's reluctant witnesses naming names, and another talk we're
giving is about the alternative explanations for Roswell that have been put forth over the
years, most recently the anti Jacobsen book, where they I guess her theory
is that it was the Russians were trying to scare us, right, so
we'll be talking about that as well. And he used Nazi technology to do
it, yes, And Joseph Mangle, the always popular Joseph Mangle, came
up from Argentina, I guess to tell them how to do it. It's
just it's so ridiculous on its face, it really doesn't deserve any discussion.
But she got a lot of notoriety because she's allegedly a journalist, and I
think she's just a contributing editor to LA magazine, you know, the Sunday
Supplement, and I think that's what she is. But it's because she had
the term journalist after her name, she got all this. She got more
exposure for her book than we have for all of the things we've written over
the years, over twenty years. Yes, well, I know in the
past she's written the other stories been criticizing for over hyping things for you know,
just to get things over sensational. I think, yes, yes,
and I guarantee you he knew nothing about Roswell other than the name. And
we we you know, there's a lot of people, I say a lot
of people. There's some people that say, well, I'm going to go
to Roswell over this weekend and I'm going to solve the case. Well,
you know, we've been on this case twenty over twenty years, each of
us, and we're still learning things. But you take somebody like Annie Jacobson,
I would guess that she she didn't spend over an hour on this case.
She talked to this anonymous witness and wrote everything he said down and that
was all that was all her. That was some total of her research,
right, and she gets she gets to go on every show. I think
she was on CNN, Fox, you name it, she was on it.
And we are just we were just stunned up the coverage she got for
this. And well, I'm excited for this weekend. And there are still
hotel rooms I've read, so people can still go out to Roswell this weekend.
Of course, it's the big festival where a lot going on, and
you guys are speaking at the museum. We're actually going to have a table
there too, so you are yeah, yep, all right, yeah.
Our last magazine was on Roswell and Don and Stanton contributed to it. So
people can come and see those guys and learn a lot of information and see
some of your talks. They sound really interesting. Well, yes, and
we will also have a panel every Saturday night and I guess it's Saturday night
this time. There we always have a panel with Stan, Don and myself
and this year I think we're including Kevin Randalls, so it probably probably will
be the four of us, right, the top four Roswell researchers. You
got it. That's cool. So that's as good as it gets. Yes,
we hope. All right, Well, thank you so much. Listen
to your website is Roswell Investigator dot com. Yes, and Manica is Witness
to Roswell and Stan, myself and Don we contributed to another book that just
came out. It's called UFOs and Aliens. Is There is there Anybody out
there? It's by our publisher, New Page Books, and it's what it
is. It's an anthology about UFOs and covers abductions and Roswell and every every
aspect of UFOs, and it just came out UFOs and aliens. Is there
anybody out there UFOs and aliens? I didn't know about that? Great?
Yes, all right, thanks for updating us and looking forward to this weekend,
and thank you so much for joining us. Well, I guess we'll
see you down there. Yep, we'll see you there, all right?
You hanging out? Take care you two? Hello? Hello, Hello,
is there anybody in there? Hello? That wasn't really David Gilmore. That
was me. David Gilmore, by the way, now that i'm thinking of
him, is a supporter of Gary McKinnon, the UFO hacker. I wonder
if he believes in UFOs. If any of you know him, ask him
and let us know what you discover. Hey, maybe i'll see him in
Roswell next weekend. Maybe I'll see you in Roswell next weekend. If you're
gonna be in Roswell, come by and say hi. I'll probably be Hopefully
I'll be in the table next to Don and Tom, or next to Stanton
or who knows. There are all my buddies out there lots of cool people
go to Roswell and do some talks at the museum and have tables there where
they are signing books and sharing their information, and that's what the famous international
euthologist Antonio Juneos and myself Alejandro Rojas with Hispanic names like that. So close
to the border, hopefully we won't get in any trouble. And you know,
funny enough, our route really goes right on the border of the Mexico
out and we kind of loop down and sneak up on Roswell coming from the
south, So hopefully we won't run into any trouble taking that route, sneaking
in this way. But yeah, we're going to be there selling our Roswell
magazines like I've talked about. So we won't be able to have our show
next week, as I mentioned earlier, so we're taking the week off,
and I don't have an old interview to kind of throw up there for you
guys either, like I did for a Memorial weekend. So you're just gonna
have to if you miss me, because I know I'm gonna miss you guys
a whole lot. But of course we have dozens and dozens and dozens of
archived interviews, so if there's one you know, go look there and see
all those tons of interviews we have, and if there's one you missed,
check it out. Or if you want to listen again, like Grant Cameron,
I love the Grand Cameron one where we're talking about Spielberg and UFOs.
Of course that wasn't too long ago, but you can pick up my old
Don Schmidt interview from over a year ago and hear some more about Roswell and
his take on some of what Tom and I talked about, or a number
of others. Or you can listen to Nick Pope, and in honor of
the British and our independence from them, you can go listen to the UK
guy Nick Pope, who's a British gentleman who of course worked for the Ministry
of Defense, which is I think where James Bond works. So really cool
guy. He's always a lot of fun. Anyway, we will be back
in two weeks with a phenomenal guest who I'm going to be very excited to
talk to, because I'm very excited to talk to all of our guests.
You guys, have a wonderful fourth of July and we will talk to you
later. Audio Smooth Taco's