WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:50.159 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. That's the opening 2 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:58.520 music to the new documentary Blue Planet Red, a just released series of interviews 3 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:03.719 in footage on the planet Mars. Hey, this is Cliff, will be 4 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:10.519 doing well today. We are featuring the producer and a major contributor to this 5 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:18.319 series Blue Planet Read today on Destiny and I have supported this work for a 6 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:23.079 couple of years and happy to have the producer, Brian Dobbs here with me 7 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:30.159 today. As you know, I've been following the anomalies that have been discovered 8 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:36.640 and known about now probably close to forty years on the planet Mars. And 9 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:42.760 not only that, there's a great deal of research and evidence of anomalies on 10 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:48.400 the two moons of Mars, Phobus one and Phobus two, and back in 11 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:57.079 the seventies, the late seventies early eighties, the Russians sent two satellites to 12 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:02.879 Phobus one to image it and it came back with a great deal of strange 13 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:09.319 strangeness. In fact, they lost the first satellite for for some unknown reason 14 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:15.280 no one really knows why the signal was cut off. And then the second 15 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:23.719 satellite that they sent to Phobus one mysteriously vanished, and there's really really odd 16 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:30.360 imagery from the camera of this satellite just before they lost contact with it. 17 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:38.479 In fact, there is a saucer shaped shadow passing across part of this huge 18 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:46.240 satellite, which probably indicates somebody of intelligences involved here that wanted to take the 19 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.560 satellite out because it was getting too close to sensitive material. This program today 20 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.280 is all about Mars, and we've had everyone from John Brandon, Burgmark Carlotto, 21 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:02.240 on and on and on talking about the evidence of an ancient civilization, 22 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:10.199 probably destroyed in what doctor Brandenburg believes was a nuclear holocaust. But you know, 23 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:19.319 Mars at its most pristine, had huge oceans, had lush green fields, 24 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:29.319 had multiple force and and then of course the big question mark is what 25 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:37.919 is this? What are the mass ruins, the cities, the huge monolithic 26 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.319 size reliefs. And when I say reliefs, that's another word for a sculptural 27 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:50.240 design. Not unlike the Nasca lines of Peru, with which are geoglyphs, 28 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:59.159 the glyphs. The reliefs on Mars are massive, massive, and we're talking 29 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:03.479 many. Most of them are many miles across by many miles high, built 30 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:08.639 up from what was once this is theorized. Of course, what was once 31 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:16.360 mountains and hills, they would uh cut into them and create birds, animals, 32 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.040 people. You can do a search on Google right now and sit and 33 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:29.680 type in Mars reliefs and then put in kamma human or kamma animals, Comma 34 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.759 insignias, letters, writing, and with each of those what you'll what will 35 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:45.439 come back is imagery of monstrosities, these huge glyphs in a variety of shape, 36 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:50.079 sizes, and themes, and it's just crazy as heck. I haven't 37 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:55.759 talked a great deal about the reliefs on Mars because they're just so mind blowing. 38 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:03.240 Whenever we have Jarge George haas On from the Sidonia Institute, he speaks 39 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:12.120 quite elegantly about these because he's written extensively about these glyphs, about these carvings 40 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:17.319 that are on the surface. But today, this new documentary actually came out 41 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:25.920 in late twenty twenty three, Blue Planet Red highlights really my frustration and those 42 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:32.120 of a number of planetary scientists and hundreds of not more thousands, if not 43 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:41.879 more, people who are wanting to know why NASA doesn't basically come clean with 44 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:48.120 this data. They have known about it since the Mercury satellites began orbiting Mars. 45 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:57.959 And if you will remember, the first revelation which was beyond NASA's ability 46 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:03.600 to edit, was the gigantic face in the Sidonia region, the face on 47 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:10.519 Mars, and we first learned about it in the late eighties, nineteen eighties, 48 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:15.600 early nineteen nineties when Richard Hogland, a former science editor for Walter Cronkite, 49 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:24.879 pulled together a number of planetary scientists imaging specialists and began looking at the 50 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:29.000 data that was coming back and wrote a book called The Monuments of Mars. 51 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.439 By the way, if you want to get a real good look at some 52 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:36.560 of these ruins on Mars, get The Monuments of Mars by Richard Hogland. 53 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.279 It's probably in its fifth or sixth printing, but you can get a used 54 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:48.079 copy for under ten dollars and it's filled filled with these early images that were 55 00:06:48.160 --> 00:07:00.079 released by the Viking missions prior to NASA's ability to do editing and whitewash the 56 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:09.199 images that were coming back. Now, I've spoken extensively on why NASA fills 57 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:14.720 that they need to hide this material, keep it under wraps. And you 58 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.720 know we've had, like I mentioned, many many people speaking on it, 59 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:23.000 but that's just the way it is. I harp on this. You know. 60 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:28.759 They requisitioned in a document in nineteen sixty from the Brookies Institute and they 61 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:36.240 asked them to analyze the United States public's reaction to a first contact scenario. 62 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:43.560 That can be the discovery of a long lost alien race. It could be 63 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:48.959 the disclosure of aliens flying UFOs which are now UAPs, or any artifacts. 64 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:54.759 You know, there's a lot of rumors that there are alien craft artifacts that 65 00:07:54.839 --> 00:08:01.920 have been recovered in a place called Area fifty one in Nevada, and it 66 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.600 goes with those two. If those were at that knowledge was released that we 67 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:15.160 have in our possession saucers from extraterrestrials, according to this document, we would 68 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:20.199 not be able to function. We would kill ourselves, our religions would fail, 69 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:26.319 our government would fall in to disrepair. Now we look at this from 70 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:33.840 an antiquated, kind of out of touch, backwards point of view, and 71 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.519 it's sad to say this, but the United States government follows this well. 72 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.799 I shouldn't say just the United States. This European Space Agency, most of 73 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:52.639 the Western countries Europe and the United States follow this outdated decree that we are 74 00:08:52.840 --> 00:09:00.200 unable to have news that we're not the only ones in our cosmos. And 75 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.159 as sad as that is, and I think it's sad, you know, 76 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:09.120 this is the reality that we're faced with in our skies. Now. We 77 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.440 have UAPs, we have UFOs, we have strange people. We just posted 78 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.519 our last show on highbreds, a thousand year old highbreds that were found in 79 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:26.679 Peru. This is all kept under wraps, and it's only through shows like 80 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.279 mine and other shows. There's probably you know, one hundred podcasts on UFOs, 81 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:39.039 Alien Interactions, Understanding UAPs, and there's there's a whole field of experts 82 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:46.960 UFO specialists, some that are former military, some are former special administration in 83 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.320 Europe, some come out of NASA. And today's program Blue Planet Red, 84 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:58.879 we'll hear from a number of former NASA administration types and some of the top 85 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:05.320 people in the country, and we'll get a sense of just what they have 86 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:11.320 to say about the planet Mars. Here's a short interview done by a former 87 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:18.519 astronaut, Buzz Aldrin, on his discovery on Phobus, which is one of 88 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:26.960 two orbiting moons on Mars. Let's have a quick listen habitation on the Moon. 89 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.960 We can visit other people with their habitation. We can keep track. 90 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.000 If there's something very important to be developed from the Moon. I'm not sure 91 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:39.960 what it is right now, and I sure think we should identify what it 92 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:46.000 is for America to make such gross expenditures again for human habitation on the moon. 93 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.679 We can help. We can join with together. We can explore the 94 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:56.879 moon and develop the Moon. We should go boldly where a man has not 95 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:01.879 gone before. Fly by the comets and asteroids. Visit the moon of Mars. 96 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:09.799 There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this little potato shaped 97 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:15.879 object that goes around Mars once in seven hours. When people find out about 98 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.320 that, they're going to say, who put that there? Who put that 99 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:24.480 there? Well, the universe put it there, if you choose God put 100 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.120 it there. Now, it's funny that came out almost a decade ago, 101 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.799 and I had to wonder. You know, these astronauts have to sign non 102 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.360 disclosure agreements, so you have to wonder, is he going to be reprimanded, 103 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.279 Is he going to fall out of his car or not wake up someday 104 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:50.039 because they gave a poison. I mean, that's fairly that's fairly raw. 105 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:58.279 I mean, he's divulging that there's a giant monolith on Phobus. I I'm 106 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.720 going to post that image for you to look at because it's been known about 107 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:09.200 for probably twenty years, and I'm also going to post some other photographs that 108 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:18.360 are part of this new documentary. So my guest today is Brian Dobbs and 109 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:24.919 our special guest is doctor John Brandenburg, and the program is called Blue Planet 110 00:12:26.120 --> 00:13:05.440 Red. As you know, I've been fascinated by Mars for probably three decades. 111 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:11.759 I go way back to the work as a program director I did at 112 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.679 Whole Life Expo. And this is I want to say late mid nineteen nineties 113 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.600 when Hogland, Richard Hogland released his book Monuments on Mars, and I had 114 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:31.679 Richard at the show with just a groundbreaking series of photographs of ruins on the 115 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:37.440 planet Mars. And at that point it was just mind blowing speculation and suppositions 116 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:43.080 and ideas behind the possibilities of that. And I've followed it and I've moved 117 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.519 along and I have had a number of people on the podcast, including doctor 118 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:56.639 Mark Carlotto who's a regular discussing the images that we have found on the planet. 119 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:03.000 Up to this point, NASA does not acknowledged ruins, does not acknowledge 120 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.360 any life is there. We're getting billions of dollars spent on search the search 121 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:13.799 for microbes, and it's been a frustration of mine because I've had a number 122 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:20.759 of experts, former NASA imaging specialists on the program with data, with excellent, 123 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:26.840 excellent photographs. And then we've taken it a step further with doctor John 124 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:31.519 Brandon Burke, who is a plasma physicist, showing in his book Death on 125 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:39.639 Mars that there was an explosion a few million years ago, perhaps more going 126 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:45.840 full circle, we are now coming up with a new focus. I mentioned 127 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:50.000 this last year the release of a new documentary called Blue Planet Red, and 128 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:58.360 we are going to discuss this documentary today with the producer, Brian Dobbs and 129 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.320 our own friend, returning guest, doctor John Brandenburg. And this is an 130 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:09.559 important documentary not only because it highlights a lot of these questions, but also 131 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.639 gives us a sense of what we can look forward to in terms of revelations 132 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.000 on the planet. So, Brian, welcome to Destiny. Great to see 133 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.360 you. Oh, nice to see you again, Cliff. It was wonderful 134 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:31.120 being able to include you in on the documentary itself. And uh, first, 135 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:33.559 first things first here, Cliff. I you know I mentioned this in 136 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:39.279 person when I was out seeing you, but I really gotta give you credit 137 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:46.519 for inspiring me to make this film. I mean, your your podcast has 138 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.720 done so much for many people across this world in terms of educating them on 139 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.879 the origins of human history and beyond. And uh, you know, originally 140 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:04.240 coming across some episode of Earth Ancients related to Mars, it blew my mind. 141 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:10.080 So you were part of this deep dark rabbit hole that I went down, 142 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.360 and I'm glad I did so, thank you very much. Yeah, 143 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.840 I did. I do have a few minutes in the in the documentary. 144 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.360 I failed to mention that it's kind of fun, fun to be on camera. 145 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.840 And of course, John, welcome back. We've had you on many, 146 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.960 many times. Pleasu you're a cliff to be on your show. It'll 147 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:32.120 be great to touch base with you as we continue this discussion. Brian, 148 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:37.759 your co producer is MJ. Craig. We've had him on the program. 149 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:45.679 He has written books on the planet Mars. What inspired you both to take 150 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.799 on the dynamics of a documentary because we both know and I'm sure this is 151 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.759 You're completed now and you can say, yeah, Cliff, I'm not sure 152 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.519 I want to do this again, or I enjoyed the exp and it's something 153 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:07.599 I really appreciate. Well, I'm glad you mentioned MJ. Craig. Yes, 154 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.319 he was part of He was featured as a guest on a previous episode 155 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.920 of Earth Ancients and of which I listened to. And I listened to it. 156 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:18.319 I remember it was probably just a year and a half ago, and 157 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:23.000 man, it really intrigued me. Here's this guy. He didn't seem sensational 158 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:30.839 at all, and he has been archiving a lot of Mars images and some 159 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.799 data on his website. So after I had listened to that, I had 160 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.240 reached out to him just with the general curiosity. And I think by that 161 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:44.079 time I was reading doctor Brandenburgh's book as well. You know, again, 162 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.960 i'd listened to Brandenburg on your program too, and I'm like, man, 163 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:57.480 I am surprised that given the evidence for life on Mars, and evidence of 164 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:02.599 a whole lot more going on with Mars, that someone hasn't put a film 165 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:07.440 together about all of this. You know, all of the information is out 166 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:14.799 there on the internet, published or discussed in some way, but there's there's 167 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.480 really no one documentary putting all of this together. And I said, somebody 168 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.119 really needs to do this. There's there's some really good stuff here. Yes, 169 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.880 we have all these books, we have all these publications, we have 170 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.559 all these independent researchers, but I'm sitting around here trying to I was looking 171 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.720 at Mars documentaries, just trying to find some. And yes, maybe you'll 172 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:38.200 have an Ancient Aliens type program where the Unexplained files with William Shatner touching on 173 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:42.519 some of this stuff. But really there's a whole lot to Mars that I 174 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:47.880 don't think people really understand. And I'm sitting around here, man, someone 175 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.920 should really do a film, and having this internal dialogue with myself and you 176 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:53.559 know, telling myself, well, Brian, you're a filmmaker. You could 177 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.400 do it, and I'm saying, no, that's way too much. I've 178 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:03.599 never done something future length before. But you know, a good way of 179 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.720 of growing, as as you know, in your profession, is by challenging 180 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.519 yourself. And so I said, okay, well, uh, you know, 181 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:18.480 I sent doctor Brandenberg an email and I said, if if this guy 182 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:23.799 gets back to me, then we're doing it, and he responded to me 183 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:30.960 and I'm like, okay, I guess that's okay. So thank you, 184 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:37.680 doctor Brandenburg, because you absolutely, Brian, I couldn't refuse, you know, 185 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.240 it was off on the first step towards volunteering for something is to say, 186 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.960 well, somebody ought to do something about this. Yeah, yeah, 187 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:52.079 but you know I wanted to help you bring this out. Thank you. 188 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:57.079 I uh, you know, I'm mostly you know, upon getting into all 189 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:00.200 of this, I just had a general fascination with Base like most other people 190 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.680 do Star Trek. You know, we all grew up in the same things. 191 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.519 But you know, I'm I'm a storyteller and I'm trying to gather the 192 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:12.960 data and trying desperately to prove all of this stuff wrong, because if it's 193 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:21.160 right, it means that I completely have to rewrite my you know, my 194 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:26.119 perspective on this, this next door neighbor of ours, planet Mars. It's 195 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:32.039 not just this dry and desolate landscape that we all think of it as. 196 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.559 There's a whole lot more going on with it. And you know, getting 197 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.680 into all of this, meeting all the people and interviewing everybody, you know, 198 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:45.319 I now consider myself part of this Mars community that has been well established 199 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:52.160 for decades or so, relatives a fine array of people. Yeah, and 200 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.799 credit to MJ. Craig who has been really doing a lot of this work 201 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:03.920 on his website data. He's been posting a lot about the images and the 202 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:07.400 data, and he knows all the people, He knows the community really intimately, 203 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.839 and so he was able to point me in the right direction trying to, 204 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.720 you know, figure out who we're going to interview for the film and 205 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:19.079 what story elements we wanted to you know, rather information data we want to 206 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.680 include. So so credit to MJ. Craig for doing a lot of this 207 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:27.599 work over the years. And to my surprise, there's a little spot on 208 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:33.160 his website which said, Hey, if anyone out there would like to make 209 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:40.440 a documentary and all this, please contact me. And I didn't know that 210 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.160 at the time. He only told me about that later because I had contacted 211 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:45.880 him and I'm like, hey, I'm thinking about making this documentary. Doctor 212 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.240 Brandenberg got back to me, I've got some images. You know, you 213 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:53.599 seem like you know what you're talking about. You seem like you're really familiar 214 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:59.039 with all of this stuff. You know, would you like to partner with 215 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:02.920 me and make a documentary, and you know, to my delight, he 216 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:04.039 said, yeah, so you know, Michael, if you're listening, thank 217 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:10.160 you very much. Couldn't have done this without you, buddy. You the 218 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:18.039 documentary's roughly two hours. You must have shot significantly more than two hours worth 219 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.200 of film and then had it to edit it all down. What did you 220 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.920 what did you end up with? Like twenty hours or thirty hours worth of 221 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:32.440 footage? Yeah? Well, on average each interview was about let's say an 222 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:36.279 hour and a half two hours times two dozen people, so that's easily forty 223 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:40.440 hours worth of stuff. A lot didn't make it in to the cut. 224 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:47.119 And what I plan on doing now at this point, because you're right, 225 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:48.960 I'm I finished it. It's over and done with. What do I do 226 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:53.359 at this point? Do I start working on a new documentary? I don't 227 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:59.880 know, but I think what really interests me is continuing to work with Mars, 228 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:07.759 And what I think I might do is start a YouTube series, sort 229 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.839 of adapting all of this content into a YouTube series, piece by piece by 230 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:17.759 piece, keep that same high production quality, a more cinematic look, and 231 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:21.440 not only reuse, or rather not only use a lot of the stuff that 232 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:26.440 didn't make the cut for the film, but shoot new stuff, new interviews, 233 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:32.079 and just continue telling this story because I think that the more we tell 234 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:36.039 the story of Mars, the more we'll, you know, we'll be able 235 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.640 to get this out there to the general public. Yeah, you know, 236 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.880 I can't sit back and just you know, dust my hands off and say 237 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.640 a job done. It's out there. It's good. But now I have 238 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.519 to. I think I just feel compelled to continue telling the story of Mars, 239 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:57.319 and continue working with everybody in the community to preserve their legacy of work 240 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:06.599 and try to act as some sort of liaison between their scientific work and the 241 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.160 public. The stuff's been published for years, but it surprises me that virtually 242 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.519 no one knows about this kind of stuff, even academics, you know, 243 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.400 they don't necessarily stay up to date with the latest and greatest published research. 244 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:23.720 What would you say? The theme is of the documentary, and I want 245 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:30.160 to get into it without giving it away. Sure, but you open the 246 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.759 documentary asking basic questions, what do you think of Mars? Where is Mars? 247 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:42.000 Things like that, and it's the general reaction of people is it's fairly 248 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:48.440 ignorant of really what's going on other than this red planet. Right, Yes, 249 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.640 Well, what I discovered along the way making this thing is well, 250 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.720 rather what I confirmed, Okay, what I confirmed is that most people don't 251 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:02.000 know a lot about marsd know a lot about Mars. I knew that we 252 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:07.079 sent these cute little rovers there and we study the rocks and you know, 253 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:12.039 back in college, I remember seeing online there was this image of a face. 254 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:18.480 Okay, and that's about it. And so what the stuff I was 255 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.279 learning, Well, the bottom line up front is that Mars used to be 256 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.720 a lot like Earth. It used to be another blue planet. And when 257 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:33.720 you really think about what that means, what the potential like, look at 258 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.400 Earth from space, it's a blue planet. That means we have water, 259 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:38.839 we have an atmosphere. You know, where there's water, there's life. 260 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:48.319 So there is a lot of evidence, compelling, well researched and well presented 261 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:56.880 evidence for life, not just current but also passed. And then there's a 262 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:03.519 whole lot more. And the whole lot more really challenges the general public in 263 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.680 terms of how they view Mars. Okay, And to get to that whole 264 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.960 lot more, I knew we had to start with what people already know, 265 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.599 which isn't much, and I wanted the viewer to feel safe knowing that, 266 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.599 Look, it's okay if you don't know much about Mars, We're going to 267 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:22.720 start with what you know. And if that's not much, that's okay. 268 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.599 We'll just baby step you along the way to keep telling you this story. 269 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.119 We keep going deeper and deeper, but I got to get you comfortable with 270 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.599 the safe stuff. First. Oh water, okay, well, yeah, 271 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.200 that's not so bad. I think I heard maybe they were looking for water. 272 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.400 And then drip by drip by drip get to the more heavier elements of 273 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.039 the film. Yeah, yeah, I like that. It's funny. I 274 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:49.680 was just thinking the face on Mars. Mars revelation is now a whole generation 275 00:26:51.079 --> 00:27:00.079 ago. Jesus John. When was it revealed? Nineteen six? What was 276 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:04.599 the what was the satellite and not what was the name of the satellite the 277 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:11.519 Viking series? Ye, And and the NASA's revelation was it was a trick 278 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:17.839 a light and it wasn't anything to be concerned about. But there were a 279 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:22.559 group of scientists that actually were concerned about it and started really looking at it. 280 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:27.279 Talk a little bit about Carlato's work in refining the data on this to 281 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:36.839 really this is really the marker when you say the marker of a lost sophisticated 282 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:42.680 civilization. Give us the basics about this this space, well, it appears 283 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:48.079 to be a modified landform. People didn't build it brick by brick. I 284 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:55.480 don't think they took a hill and added brickwork to it to make it look 285 00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:04.440 like a face, which is interesting because it faces upward well and unlike see, 286 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:11.599 you couldn't make or the thing is a roughly one and a half kilometers 287 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:17.960 long and about a kilometer wide. You can't make an upright face like that. 288 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.519 The engineer the rock won't support it even on Mars and Mars gravity. 289 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:30.880 So it appears to be a modified landform. And then the Petro and Molinaro 290 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:40.759 began this because they got the original data tapes and of the original photo and 291 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:45.880 they found out there was also a pyramid within about fifteen kilometers about ten miles 292 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:52.960 from the face, and they so this is memorializes the DNM pyramid, and 293 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.839 it's a five sided pyramid. It also looks like it's partly eroded, but 294 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.119 some of the faces on the pyramid are really quite pristine. So they had 295 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:08.599 a face in a pyramid, and often they're in the same frame, but 296 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:17.440 NASA would never publish that pyramid in the same frame as the face. Then 297 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:23.720 they also discovered that there was an additional picture of the face, and the 298 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:26.680 NASA put out the story it was a trick of light, and they took 299 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.160 up that picture an hour later on the next orbit and it was gone. 300 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.319 Well, it was dark when it was. They took the picture at sunset, 301 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:40.960 original picture sunset, so to Petra and Mullinar using the data library, 302 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.839 and the people at the data library helped them. They discovered there was a 303 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.119 second picture of it. And what NASA did is they waited thirty days till 304 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:56.119 everyone had forgotten about the initial report, yeah, and then took a new 305 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.359 picture. And the new picture confirmed that it was a face and also confirmed 306 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.119 the pyramids. So they had three images of the pyramid, two images of 307 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:12.039 the face at two different lighting angles. And then they got in enormous trouble 308 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:18.319 from JPL. JPL wanted called up NASA where they worked at Green Belt, 309 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:23.480 Maryland, and said we want these people fired. And so there was an 310 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:30.440 immediate reaction to cover up, and for a while NASA even denied that there 311 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.799 was NASA headquarters even denied there was a second picture of the face, even 312 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.519 though it was right. I found published scientific articles within it. So to 313 00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:45.839 fast forward, Dick Hobland organized a independent Mars investigation team and asked me to 314 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:52.279 join it, And without going into a lot of detail, I did join 315 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:59.799 it. I'm very glad I did. And we then discovered another what looked 316 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.799 like another site. We also discovered the Mars Ocean as a result of this 317 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:10.000 investigation, and I went to a conference and published that. And uh, 318 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.599 NASA never gives me credit for it, but that's okay, credit I give 319 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.599 from a bank. Yeah, let me let me stop you right there, 320 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:23.920 John, Yeah, I'm sorry. So, in layman's terms, this gigantic 321 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:30.079 artificial man made or not even man creature made or intelligently designed, it's called 322 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.480 that. Yeah, let's just say that face is one and a half miles 323 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:41.880 long by approximately a mile across, right, Yeah, I'm sorry, not 324 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.240 miles occasion. Let's put this be blunt about it. NASA must have just 325 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:52.640 ship when they saw this thing and had and and of course, following the 326 00:31:52.640 --> 00:32:02.279 Brookings document that any data released exposing first contact with any form of an alien 327 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:09.319 race would freak people out, so they were adherent to that and decided that 328 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.640 they were going to cover it up. So in the face of the Petrium 329 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:24.599 molinar, two experts in imaging UH software and also satellite imaging showing this thing 330 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:30.920 because they want to. Mark Carlotto joined us. But these guys refined the 331 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:39.359 raw data, published it and waited for the scientific community to respond. What 332 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:46.200 was the scientific community's response when it was first presented in say a conference, 333 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:54.960 Oh, the foot soldiers of the scientific community responded with enormous interest. They 334 00:32:54.960 --> 00:33:01.119 had people lining up to look at stereo pairs of the The two images can 335 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.720 be used to make a stereo pairs and get some idea in the three dimensional 336 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:15.279 nature of the face. So they were received with great, great enthusiasm. 337 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:24.880 But NASA unfortunately controls the research agenda in the planetary community by by either giving 338 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:32.559 or withholding grants to people. And what really was another really wonderful thing was 339 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:38.359 that doctor Mark Carlotto, who was an imaging scientist trained in computing image at 340 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:45.720 PhD, in it too, and he worked for the Pentagon, so he 341 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:53.039 didn't work for nasty and so he joined the group investigating you know, these 342 00:33:53.160 --> 00:34:02.319 objects and produced even better pictures than the Petro and Molinar could, so this 343 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.680 thing suddenly got legs. Then we found out there was an ocean, so 344 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.719 it was an easy thing to just say, well, this is what looks 345 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:17.719 like eroded archaeology. It's slightly beat up from a time when Mars had an 346 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:23.800 atmosphere at an environment like Earth. Mars was once a blue planet like Earth, 347 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:30.800 and the ocean lasted most of mars history. I can prove that. 348 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:37.119 And and then you know, this Sidonia place is on the shoreline of that 349 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.039 ocean. And then the other site we found it, a place called Galaxus 350 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.719 Chaos, has two faces, one of which looks like the one at Sidonia, 351 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.320 and it's also on the shore of this ocean, this northern Ocean. 352 00:34:50.880 --> 00:35:00.760 So we were very successful. Brian, you interview a number of prominence scientists, 353 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:06.440 which makes this documentary You really give it teeth. Talk a little bit 354 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:17.039 about the goal in producing this material and getting across the importance of understanding that 355 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:27.559 this is intelligent and there's an intelligence behind the creation of these buildings and what 356 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:32.639 I call relief sculpture on a megalithic scale. Talk about that. Yes, 357 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:40.480 yes, well I did find doctor Mark Carlatto to be you know, you 358 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:47.599 know, quite the perfect person to present how these structures will say, these 359 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:55.679 features on Mars are quantitatively different, okay, because it's easy to you know, 360 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.119 to look at the face. It looks like a face, and you 361 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.400 know, uh, just just for someone to say, hey, what does 362 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.079 that look like to you? Okay? But what Mark Carlato did. And 363 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.400 here's a guy who is you know, he's been part of the aerospace industry 364 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.880 for four decades at least, an imaging expert, specifically as it relates to 365 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:23.519 satellite imaging. Who has a software developer who has you know, run this 366 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:29.360 place called Sidonia, which is just a little place on Mars. He's run 367 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:38.119 this the images of Sidonia through software which generates a fravel model of the landscape. 368 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:43.039 Now what does this mean. It means, well, here here's a 369 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:50.000 good example, okay, when here on Earth they run images, satellite images 370 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:57.400 through this software to try to determine the different to try to determine what's a 371 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:02.280 tank and what's a tree when they're looking for military vehicles or something somewhere hidden 372 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.320 in the jungle or something, and they can tell the difference based on its 373 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.679 structure that it's artificial in origin. Because it's so much different than the surrounding 374 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:20.239 landscape. Okay, So if you run these Sideoitia satellite images through the software, 375 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.599 the face, as doctor Mark Carlotta puts, it lights up like a 376 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:30.920 hunter Watt bulb because it is so much different than the surrounding landscape. Okay. 377 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:38.800 Beyond that, what we're also factoring in here is it's symmetry and it's 378 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:43.920 repeated expressions of geometry. Now I won't get all into it, but basically 379 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.840 it looked like there was a little bit more to its design than just it 380 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.800 just so happened to look like a face, Okay, and it's backed up 381 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:59.679 by all of this quantitative analysis by doctor Mark Carlotto. Beyond his involvement, 382 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:05.079 I did feel it necessary to try to include as much as possible Folks from 383 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:12.559 Academia, folks from NASA. Okay. I was lucky enough to to uh 384 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.679 to get acquainted with doctor Richard Hoover, who worked for NASA for forty plus 385 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:24.519 years as their lead astrobiologist. And you know, he's got credentials out the 386 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:31.760 wazoo, and he's just he's sharp as attack can, can explain everything in 387 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:39.800 exquisite detail, and you know here's a guy who is talking about microfossils and 388 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:47.559 meteorites and knowing exactly how to explain that they're not you know, the product 389 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.760 of contamination, earth bound contamination, but you know, uh that they are 390 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.760 in fact extraterrestrial. And when you have the head of a NaSTA, NASA 391 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.199 Astrobiology department saying that, I think that goes a long way, because I 392 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:06.719 think, rightly or wrongly, you know, NASA is seen as this trusted 393 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.599 institution among the American public. We love NASA, you know, they we 394 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.440 send rockets up into outer space, and it's it's always a fun thing to 395 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.880 engage with as far as the public is concerned. And so I think Richard 396 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.559 Hoover being part of NASA for so long really adds to the credibility factor of 397 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:30.639 all this, because I know with Mars comes a lot of baggage. It's 398 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.760 a very you know, there's this needle that we're trying to thread here with 399 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.559 Mars. And I knew that going into it, because there's a high degree 400 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.159 of skepticism, and so I knew that I was going to have to try 401 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:49.280 to counter that skepticism, not only by you know, asking questions that the 402 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.199 audience, the viewing audience might ask you know, well, like you know, 403 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.079 if I ask doctor Brandenberg, you know why he comes to this conclusion. 404 00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.400 You know, I have to present the alternative, you know, what 405 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.960 the alternative explanation might be, and have him respond to that. But you 406 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:08.159 know, if I can get qualified experts in their field, PhDs. You 407 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.039 know, here's a guy from NASA, doctor Richard Hoover, and I got 408 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:17.920 a few other people from academia, doctor David Page from UCLA, doctor Professor 409 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.480 Jason Wright from from Penn State, Professor Avi Loebe from Harvard University. You 410 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:29.840 know, they're all commenting on on Mars, and I think that it's it's 411 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:35.400 necessary to try to to be inclusive of this because I don't I was trying 412 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:40.079 to make this documentary as critic proof as possible, and uh, you know 413 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.480 it was it was unfortunate that I wasn't able to get anyone else from NASA 414 00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:50.920 in it. I did ask them to participate, but unfortunately they declined. 415 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.480 But I really wanted to do my best to try to not make this so 416 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.840 one sided and just let the evidence speak for itself and not draw too many 417 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.880 conclusions. That's interesting you say that It would have been interesting if you had 418 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:08.960 had a an administrator from NASA on the program, because I would love for 419 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:16.599 them to see and these guys already know through the imaging that there's something going 420 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:23.480 on on the planet of Mars. But to ask them what their opinion is 421 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:29.599 of this and to hear how they deny it would be very interesting, or 422 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.559 how they do some kind of a spin. You know, well, we're 423 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:43.000 still not sure yet after thirty years of or a linear combination of spending denial 424 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.639 in this. But Brian, let me ask you, what did Hoover say 425 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.400 about the imagery as an astrobiologist he's in there. I mean, which is 426 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:59.559 my problem right now? We got trillions of dollars of rovers looking for microbes 427 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:01.760 and I've always laughed, and I say this all the time. You must 428 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:07.400 hear me. They're looking for microbes and then the rovers bumping in the staircases 429 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:15.159 of temples. Because there's all you gotta have a sense of here. It's 430 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:20.519 somewhat hilarious. Yes, uh, Well, before I answer that, Cliff, 431 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.400 let me just say you mentioned it would be nice to know what a 432 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:29.079 NASA administrator thinks of all this. Yeah, Well, I've got I can 433 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.639 give you this. Okay, to my surprise, as I've been posting on 434 00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:37.320 social media, I've been posting on Twitter a lot, and I've also been 435 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:45.679 posting on LinkedIn, and to my absolute surprise, former NASA administrator Dan Golden 436 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:53.840 Ah not just liked, but loved at least a half dozen of my posts 437 00:42:53.880 --> 00:43:00.239 related to the film. And it's it's you know, sometimes the more I 438 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.400 can tell you a little background on that controversial nature of these posts. So 439 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.960 I want to talk about Hoover, but Brandenburg. I told doctor Branderberg this 440 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.880 a little while ago, and like, what do you think this means. 441 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:17.440 We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, 442 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.400 and we will return shortly with my guest today, producer Brian Dobbs, 443 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:30.960 and one of the featured interviews of this documentary, doctor John Brandenberg. We'll 444 00:43:30.960 --> 00:44:16.840 be right back with you. We're featuring a new documentary on Mars called Blue 445 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:23.280 Planet Red and speaking with the producer Brian Dobbs and one of his guests, 446 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:30.639 doctor John Brandenberg. This documentary is now available by going to Vimeo, and 447 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:37.840 we'll give more information right after the completion of this interview. John, I 448 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.599 want you to talk about this for a second. But one of the things 449 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.360 that John has always told me, and I always kind of go oh, 450 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:52.920 Jesus Christ, is the fact that NASA knows, the scientific community knows, 451 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:59.079 but the Brookings Institute has held him at bay because they don't want people killing 452 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:07.039 themselves. That was kind of the area that John was going at. But 453 00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:17.400 I get very angry at this because this is an important evolutionary fact that when 454 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.519 we know that we're not the only ones in our cosmos, were changed automatically. 455 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:28.880 Yes we are. And so there is some dynamic beholden to the administrative 456 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:37.840 staff at NASA that does not want this revelation to be released because rather than 457 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.840 going to the social media side of things and asking them, they're going to 458 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:51.000 the antiquated theologians. This is the most recent research that they did. They 459 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:57.320 went to a group of priests, rabbis, ministers and asked this is like 460 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:01.159 a year ago, and asked what their opinion was of the reaction. Who 461 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:08.039 gives a damn people are leaving religion in the thousands, It's an outdated function 462 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:16.440 of humanity. If they had asked the social media people Google, Instagram their 463 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:21.880 opinions, they would holdheartedly to it. I wouldn't say all of them, 464 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.159 but I'd say most people would say, bring it on, we want to 465 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.440 know what's going on. Well, if you ask, if you ask a 466 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.519 Baptist, what do you get? What do you expect your guys? That's 467 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:37.119 the problem nascessiety, Simon Episcopalian. If you ask Episcopalians, they'll say, 468 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.480 well, that's a very interesting idea, and they'll talk about it. But 469 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.639 you know that it varies them so that that leads to the to you, 470 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:54.360 John, what you believe that this administrator who reacted to Brian's post? Uh, 471 00:46:55.039 --> 00:47:01.639 what what he's up to? Oh, he's he's uh, he's covertly 472 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.800 in our in our camp now. But what does that mean? It means 473 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:16.239 that he was NASA administrator when he directed JPL to take a picture, new 474 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:24.280 picture of the face and uh, then they did it, and it became 475 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:34.159 apparent that they released a fuzzy picture, hadn't been enhanced, and they took 476 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:40.000 it from as unfamiliar viewing angle as possible, and this is not what Golden 477 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.440 ordered them to do. He said, I want a straight up picture like 478 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.880 the one before. And that's when he found out that he was not running 479 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:58.159 all of NASA Jet Propulsion Lab basically says, uh, send him a note, 480 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.920 you know, saying we don't have to follow your orders. We're part 481 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.679 of the We're at California Institute or Technology. We're not technically part of NASA, 482 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.960 you know, even though we're getting all this money from. So what 483 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:17.960 happened is we Mark Carlotto enhanced the new pictures and we even rotated it using 484 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:24.239 a three dimensional model that Carlado developed, and it was obviously artificial. It 485 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.440 looked like the lion mayere talking about. You're talking about Sidonia, Sidonia. 486 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:34.280 Yeah, the big Sidonia picture in nineteen ninety eight that they waited till the 487 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.280 last minute of the day. They took it earlier in the day and then 488 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:44.719 they sat on it all day, released a unenhanced picture without any explanation, 489 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:53.480 and then we Carlotto enhanced it, and we made sure we had through a 490 00:48:53.519 --> 00:49:00.119 back channel. We made sure Golden sawd okay so some other words, and 491 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:06.800 Golden then ordered more pictures to be taken. You think he's quite sympathetic to 492 00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.320 this cause, yes, I do believe so. Yes, I haven't talked 493 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.960 to him about it, but I know he's quite simple I believe he's quite 494 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:22.199 sympathetic and his reaction to us sending him this picture because yeah, and then 495 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:28.559 he subsequently ordered more pictures must be taken. Brian, did you try to 496 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:34.760 interview him for the documentary? I tried. I reached out to NASA's media 497 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:40.159 department and I wanted to actually go to their green Belt location in Maryland, 498 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:47.880 and JPL actually reached out to JPL. They both just said no. Actually 499 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.920 JPL said no, NASA just never responded. So, you know, I 500 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:58.639 did my best to try to get someone someone involved. I didn't reach out 501 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.159 to Dan Golden directly. It would have been you know, had had I 502 00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:04.920 known he would have been sympathetic, maybe I would have done that. But 503 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.559 you know, and there's no you know, no saying I can't do that. 504 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.159 Now. If I want to continue doing this and doing a YouTube series 505 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.039 about it, maybe I could reach It would be in another interview that he 506 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.679 might be open to. We'll see. But so it's just a little bit, 507 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.559 just a little end note. When we presented the picture the enhanced picture 508 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:29.800 by Carlato at a conference then a few months later, it received a lot 509 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.559 of attention from people at the scientific conference, and a person from JPL showed 510 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:40.760 up and assaulted Vince to Petro start screaming at him and said he was because 511 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:44.880 to Petro said, you know, why did you guys release this picture on 512 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.400 enhanced and the guy starts screaming at him. Are you calling me a liar? 513 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.519 I'll deck you by god? Oh you mentioned that? Yeah? Yeah, 514 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:54.039 that was years ago, wasn't it, John? That was like, 515 00:50:54.239 --> 00:51:01.360 yes, it was like nineteen eighty five or something. I I and everyone 516 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:07.920 was just stunned. I mean, there must have been one hundred people standing 517 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.519 there watching this. You know. Let me ask you a real quick question. 518 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.159 Uh. Then I want to get back to Brian. But sure, 519 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:25.480 they have now launched and currently orbiting the planet some of the most sophisticated satellite 520 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:32.119 cameras in the world. They must, they must. They probably can see 521 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.159 a few inches off the surface right now, so yes, they can. 522 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.280 They can read license plates. What the hell's going to happen? This is 523 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.559 a question to both of you, but I want to start with you John. 524 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:50.159 We don't know who the first boots on the on the ground are going 525 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:55.760 to be, SpaceX, NASA, maybe even in the Chinese. What the 526 00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.000 hell is going to happen when they get the orbiter as part of the ground 527 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:08.079 crew to start re imaging the planet and they come back with buildings and temples 528 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:14.679 and pyramids and mass reliefs. Oh well, they're they're going to based on 529 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:19.320 this photo icon they're they're playing right now, is to land the astronauts as 530 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.159 far away from those sites as possible. Same thing they're doing with the rover. 531 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:28.719 They dump them in areas that are no esslate and they're not even close 532 00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:35.159 although some of the images because of the destruction. Yes, they're bumping into 533 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:39.760 stairways and they're bumping in I know, and I just I'll just say. 534 00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:45.960 The joke we have among in this community is that they recruit the rover drivers. 535 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:50.559 They actually have people driving the steering wheels and stuff. And they they 536 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.920 said, they recruit the drivers. You have to have driven in LA traffic 537 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.960 for five years before you can. And that means that if you see a 538 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.079 flaming car the road and a person in a gorilla suit waving for help, 539 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:07.440 you keep driving. You don't even make eye contact with it. And yeah, 540 00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.320 that's what they do. If they see something strange, keep driving. 541 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:15.559 They don't. It's funny. There was a joke. This is a few 542 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:21.119 years ago. Uh, one of the other early rovers is driving by what 543 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.280 looked like a huge statue, a megalithic statue with arm, a part of 544 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:32.119 an arm and shoulder and uh, you the camera caught it. And there's 545 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:38.280 a whole group that's wiping these photos clean or or blurring them out, or 546 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:44.599 or making them poor resolution, you know, very raw. But it was 547 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:50.239 posted and there's another have one. They have one picture looks and it's there's 548 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:58.079 two images and it looks like carving from the Aztecs of some idol. Yeah, 549 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.119 so you know this was like through somebody wasn't paying close attention. They 550 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.119 were drinking their coffee. No. I was thinking about Brian, because you 551 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:14.480 could do a whole documentary on the anomalous imagery that is being found not only 552 00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.880 by the satellites but by these rovers. They can't you know, you're talking 553 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:23.519 about landing them into some desert island where there's no cities, buildings or ruins. 554 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.639 They can't help it though there the stuff's everywhere. If there's a beer 555 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.119 can washed up on the beach and they get it in one of the pictures, 556 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:36.159 I mean, Brian could Brian could do the statue about this and people 557 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.320 screaming at each other. How did you let that through? It's a beer? 558 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.920 Can you know? What do you say to that? Brian? I 559 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.760 mean you could probably, like I said, you could do a whole program 560 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:52.800 on this, on these ruins that are just spread everywhere. Yes, you 561 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:58.039 know, we we do devote a segment in the film talking about some of 562 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.480 these rover images and what appears to be well, I just call them funny 563 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:10.280 looking rocks, okay, called into question here, and we even have you 564 00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:16.679 know, one of these particular rocks examining in detail by by an engineer. 565 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:23.239 But yes, going forward, it's there's so many of these, Cliff and 566 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:30.440 kudos to the independent Mars researchers out there across the world who spend their days 567 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:36.400 just sifting through hundreds and thousands of images just hoping to find something. And 568 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.000 they you know, you look long enough, you're bound to find something, 569 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:45.000 and you know it's it's tireless, thankless work. But you know, I'd 570 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.320 like to, you know, thank them today for doing that. But but 571 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:53.800 yes, I mean, it's one thing. The thing that people should know 572 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:59.519 is that there are some people in this movie that hate other people in this 573 00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:07.639 movie. Okay, I don't anybody meaning there's there are some aspects to Mars. 574 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:13.880 If you're if you're okay, if you're a geologist, okay, and 575 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:22.039 you're studying planetary geology, all right, you're not necessarily focused on the other 576 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:28.840 questions related to biology, palaeontology, archaeology, okay, And when whenever you 577 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:35.199 it's it's people want to have as as doctor Henry Levin, son of Doctor 578 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.960 Gilivin, says in the film, who's a biologist, He says, NASA 579 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:44.239 isn't interested in life, They're interested in geology. So you know, I 580 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:50.039 I Academia is quite reluctant to talk about anything but geology because it opens up 581 00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:53.280 a can of worms. Geology is safe to talk about. It doesn't feel 582 00:56:53.320 --> 00:57:00.159 uncomfortable. And even though you have Richard Hoover talking about microfossils and meteorites, 583 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:06.880 very strong evidence too. You know, it's he's you know, he's he's 584 00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.960 an astrobiologist and he's got well he's also he's also an astrophysicist. So he's 585 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.719 a really smart guy. And I'm happy to have you know, quite quite 586 00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.960 intelligent folks in here, including doctor Branderberg and others. But you know, 587 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:29.440 he he has a personal fascination with something called a diatom. Diatoms are these 588 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:37.840 microscopic plant life okay, little little critters here that produce oxygen here on earth, 589 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:39.000 a lot of it that we actually breathe, Okay, at least fifty 590 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.960 percent of the auction that we breathe here on Earth. And he has discovered 591 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.960 diatoms and meteorites and so he just had a personal fascination with this growing up, 592 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:52.679 even having some of his diatom photography featured in National Geographic and so he 593 00:57:52.800 --> 00:58:00.159 loves these things, and that's what he really loves discussing, you know, 594 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:04.400 the Face on Mars and Sidonia. It's not it's it's not interested in that. 595 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:07.599 You know. Uh, I've I've had other people when making this film, 596 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.119 you know, ask me, oh, well, you're going to talk 597 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:14.719 to the face on Mars people. I said, well, I did speak 598 00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.880 with doctor Carlotto, in fact, his fractal analysis of this feature in Sidonia, 599 00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.719 you know, trying to you know, bring it bring it home here. 600 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:27.519 But I think that because we've been discussing Mars for so long, you 601 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.519 know, the face on Mars has just been relegated to conspiracy theory. Wacko, 602 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:37.159 okay, But I'm trying to to present it in a in a more 603 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:46.079 more respectable way here. And I think that if you just simply listen to 604 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:52.559 you know, doctor Carlotto's a smart guy, and if you could get past 605 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.719 the stigma of the face and just listen to what he has to say and 606 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:01.480 read his damn research paper where he he outlines it all and he's he's got 607 00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:07.000 it all quantified out in his paper. You know, I think there's something 608 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.400 here. I think there's enough there. And this is what I say in 609 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:16.480 the film, is to to warrant a closer look. We I think it's 610 00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:24.320 I think it's too it's it's I question why they're NASA and JPL and others. 611 00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.840 I question why they simply dismiss these things, you know, just these 612 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:34.119 strange looking rocks in the rover image, strange looking features from orbit of images. 613 00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:38.440 It's just like, if it looks like something, let's go take it. 614 00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:42.119 Let's just go investigate and take a closer look. Don't tell me that 615 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:46.119 there's nothing there when it's obvious that these things look unnatural and out of place. 616 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.599 Let me ask you, Brian, Uh, when you were talking to 617 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:59.000 Hoover and of course he's looking at the in the organic remains of in uh 618 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:07.320 whatever by ologies there. When you present this uh uh potential civilization markers for 619 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:15.599 a civilization, how does he react uninterested? You know? But that's that's 620 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:22.719 not that's not saying he's trying to downplay it. And I'm not just speaking 621 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.880 about him. I'm speaking about it. Oh sorry, go ahead, doctor 622 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:32.079 Randiburgh. But yeah. I actually had a very nice conversation with him at 623 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:37.719 one point, and he basically said, I can only handle one controversy at 624 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:42.280 a time. He said, well, okay, let's put it. This 625 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.119 I'm doing is very is very controversial, and uh, you know, I'm 626 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.119 being attacked for that. I have to defend myself and things like that. 627 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.840 He says, I can't afford. You know, what's what's controversial about him 628 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:59.360 that there's certain kinds of microbes that are not we didn't know about. I 629 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:07.760 mean, what's the big deal microfossils and meteorites is controversial, Cliff, Cliff, 630 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:15.880 your reaction is entirely logical. This is this is the whole joke that 631 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:22.719 they put a multi billion dollar rover on the planet that is designed to extract 632 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:29.880 micro fossils and evidence of a dead plankton. I'm just using plankton as another 633 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:36.639 term and then shooting it up to be captured by a orbiting rocket to be 634 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:42.320 sent home. Who cares? Oh, by the way, they have already 635 01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:49.079 written papers based on the idea that once you open the canister on Earth, 636 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.760 it's already contaminated because Earth, of course, is for life, and the 637 01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:59.119 Diet Times got it in there somehow because the lab was sloppy. I mean, 638 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:07.199 that's what these people we're going to say this, you know, the 639 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:12.360 there's a statement that says nothing is fool proof because fools are much too clever. 640 01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:19.920 Yeah, Brian, As we get close to the conclusion of our program, 641 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:30.719 was there anyone present or past affiliated with NASA that was drawn to wanting 642 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:42.559 to know more? Oh? Goodness, there there might be Okay to answer 643 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.920 this question, I'd like to re answer the question you asked me about Hoover. 644 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.559 You know, it's one thing to ask him and put him on the 645 01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:50.840 spot on a camera and say, hey, you know, what do you 646 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.639 think of Sidonia? And you know, I think his his public opinion, 647 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:58.519 my professional opinion might be you know, well, it's it's not for me 648 01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.920 to say I'm on an interested in that. I was my word, not 649 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:06.440 his. Personally, he probably does have a fascination with it. I know 650 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.519 that he called me up on the phone and we talked about the Congress hearing 651 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.880 with David Grush and and all the stuff that David Gruss was talking about, 652 01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:17.159 the biologics and such, which got him excited. So I think personally there's 653 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:22.280 there's some interest there. But as doctor Brandebarg points out, professionally, what 654 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.360 is he willing to admit? You know, he can only handle one controversy 655 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:29.000 at a time, and anytime you go anywhere near the face on Mars, 656 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:35.920 well there's a certain stink with it, and so a fragrance. Fragrance. 657 01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:39.119 Yeah, yeah, I did get a sense even from working with a few 658 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.800 people in this film that you know, they were they were hesitant to work 659 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:50.559 with me because I was addressing the face on Mars uh and and other things 660 01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:54.880 in the film. But you know, I just stayed stayed true to to 661 01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:00.920 the cause. But you know, what what we really need to do is 662 01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:08.920 to build public support for If you take a look at NASA or SpaceX or 663 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:14.280 even the Chinese Space Agency, European Space Agency, they're interested in getting humans 664 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.440 to Mars. There's a big public push to get humans to Mars, the 665 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:21.039 colonization aspect of all this. You know, SpaceX they're not interested in answering 666 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:26.360 this question about microbial life. They care more about getting the rocket to work 667 01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:31.679 and getting it to Mars, you know, so you know, the public. 668 01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:39.320 I think the only our way into this discussion here to to include these 669 01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:44.679 institutions is to talk about astronauts safety, because we don't want to put our 670 01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.079 astronauts in harm's way. So, you know, if we can frame it 671 01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.159 that way, like, hey, before you start sending astronauts to Mars, 672 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:56.000 it would be you know, we need to do our due diligence, As 673 01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:03.519 doctor Professor Hoover says in the film of Confirming the biological microbial life that is 674 01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:06.480 on the planet, make sure it, you know, let's make sure it 675 01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:11.880 doesn't eat our flesh off or something like that, or kill us immediately. 676 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.880 There are these questions that we need to answer before putting humans in harms way, 677 01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:17.880 and we can't simply ignore it. I think we can delay having this 678 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:23.760 conversation, but we can't simply ignore it. So I think we need to 679 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.039 get the public more comfortable with the fact that there's a lot more going on 680 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:31.079 with Mars, so that our institutions are more comfortable talking about it themselves. 681 01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:41.719 Yeah, what was the ultimate goal of this movie Blue Planet Red? Was 682 01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:46.599 it just, would you say, to give people some new data? Was 683 01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:56.519 it a hope that they would look beyond the Red planet itself and consider it 684 01:05:56.559 --> 01:06:04.519 as more than just another goal for NASA to achieve man not only flight around 685 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:10.840 it, but actually boots on the ground. Well, as you know, 686 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:15.360 Cliff, I'm sure you could appreciate this. People with natural curiosity about who 687 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:17.039 we are, where do we come from? Are we alone? These sorts 688 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:23.639 of questions that I know your podcast and your work does a lot to try 689 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.559 to answer, at least as it relates to, you know, these these 690 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:31.000 ancient historical sites here on Earth, but going beyond that, you know, 691 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:36.960 especially in the wake of all of the conversation related to UFOs and UAPs these 692 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:40.920 days in the news, which is getting a lot of attention. It seems 693 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.039 like it's blowing up online and there's a lot of credible people covering it, 694 01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:49.079 reporting on it, and experts weighing in on it and gaining traction each day. 695 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:55.360 Doctor Branderburg can speak to this. He likes to bring up World War 696 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:59.360 Two as an analogy for what's happening here, and I'll let him explain a 697 01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:03.679 little bit. But Mars has something to contribute to that. It's not just 698 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:08.599 this desert wasteland like we think of it as. It's got a whole lot 699 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.480 more to it. There's a story behind it. If it once was blue 700 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.440 but now it's red. Number one, what happened to the planet? And 701 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:23.440 number two, what life is there now and what life used to be there? 702 01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:30.440 And when we look to the cosmos trying to answer this question, are 703 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.840 we alone? If there's evidence that our next door neighbor not only had microbial 704 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:41.280 life, but intelligent life on it, and then what happened to that intelligent 705 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:45.360 life? How does that help inform us about who we are in the cosmos? 706 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:47.760 So I think, you know, we're trying to answer this question about 707 01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:51.679 who we are, and I think we have to start looking outside of our 708 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:57.360 planet, even if it's uncomfortable, to help to help inform this. And 709 01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:01.920 so through the problem this this discussion about the school cure Mars, there's the 710 01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:10.559 UFOs and then there's Mars. And I argue there's a lot more direct evidence 711 01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:18.960 from Mars that we can present to people, suggesting them that they should take 712 01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:24.239 a look because it looks like there's a lot more to the planet than we 713 01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:28.399 originally suspected. And I'm being vague here because for those of you who haven't 714 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:32.439 seen the film, you know, doctor Brandenburg's work is among the heaviest aspects 715 01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:36.319 of this. You know, there's there's life, but then there's also death, 716 01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:42.319 and when we answer this question of death, it gets quite scary. 717 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.279 You know. After reading his book, I stayed up for three nights because 718 01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.319 it just haunted me. Yeah. You know this is old news for you 719 01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.479 and Icliff, but you know, for people who don't know about this kind 720 01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:57.680 of stuff, it's heavy. Yeah. John. As we conclude, I 721 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:06.399 wanted to ask you, Yes, I think that we're at a time in 722 01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:17.640 our history where disclosure is important. Yes, And if it came out that 723 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:25.640 there wasn't an ancient race of beings on the planet Mars, I think it 724 01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:30.439 would be a good thing. And I think by I think by covering this 725 01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:36.039 thing up and keeping it under under wraps, they do us a disservice, 726 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:41.159 wouldn't you say? Oh? I think so. I think it's holding up 727 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:47.560 the intellectual development of the entire human race. You know, Brian actually summarized 728 01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:54.079 it very nicely. But I'll just add that we're dealing now not with just 729 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:58.760 a UFO cover up. We're dealing with an ET cover up. We have 730 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.760 a Mars cover up. We have a UFO cover up, we have effectively 731 01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:10.199 a cover up of pan spermia, you know, the microbes and the meteorites. 732 01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:16.520 And uh so, NASA is facing an impossible and the government, the 733 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:24.000 whole government is facing an impossible task of stopping all of these efforts from moving 734 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:30.800 forward. They must, we must have disclosure, and people have to well, 735 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:38.600 people have to be wise, strong and brave to face the new cosmos. 736 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:42.760 But I believe, with God's help we will. Our future will look 737 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:48.039 like Star Trek. It may be difficult, difficult, It's like it's like 738 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:54.359 childbirth. It's difficult when it happens, but we it's the path of life. 739 01:10:54.479 --> 01:11:00.960 I would think that disclosing an ancient lost race that's millions of years gone 740 01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:11.239 would be an easier opening to ET revelation than I believe. Discussing the yeah, 741 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:18.359 discussing the pilots behind the current UAP wave that's hard for NASA. Oh 742 01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:25.600 yes, and the military's got involved in it, and you know, it's 743 01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:29.560 like, we don't want people to know who's right. I mean, they're 744 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:33.239 talking about UAPs now, which is kind of interesting, but they're more interested 745 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:40.000 in the propulsion systems of these vehicles rather than the beings that are operating them. 746 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:45.439 Exactly, because if you start talking about that's it said, that's above 747 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:49.199 our pay grade to worry about who's flying, why they're being why are they 748 01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:55.840 are here. Let's just worry about how they fly. Right. The documentaries 749 01:11:55.880 --> 01:12:01.279 called Blue Planet Red. My guests today have been Brian Dobbs and doctor John 750 01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:08.039 Brandenburg. Brian, let people know how they can get a chance to see 751 01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:13.520 this documentary and give us your weblink and some of the contact information that you 752 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:16.479 have available. Yes for the Thank you, Cliff. For those interested in 753 01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:23.359 seeing it, please go to blue Planetred dot net. You can see the 754 01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:28.399 trailer and access the film on vimeo. There we also sell blu rays for 755 01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.960 those of you who are interested. You can also follow myself superb by the 756 01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:38.000 way, oh thank you. You can also follow me on Twitter at Brian 757 01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:44.479 Corey Dobbs and doctor Brandenburg is on Twitter as well. He's at PhD Brandenburg 758 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:50.159 and I'm happy to say, doctor Brandenburg, his popularity on Twitter is skyrocketing 759 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:56.119 and I'm happy to see that. So I'm not famous, I'm infamous. 760 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:01.199 So please join us on Twitter, and you know, let us know what 761 01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:04.760 you think of the film. All right, Hey, great to have you 762 01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:11.359 both, and thank you success on this, Brian, Yeah, you just 763 01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:14.760 you basically just launched this. What it was October of last year or of 764 01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:19.640 November November, yes, November, so it's fairly it's fairly new. And 765 01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:25.920 check it out on Vimeo. So congratulations and much success. Thank you very 766 01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:35.720 much. Buff Yes, Brian, good work and thank you Cliff. You 767 01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:42.439 can see the entire documentary on Vimeo. I'll have it on the Facebook page. 768 01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:45.800 I mean, you can also go to Vimeo and type in Blue Planet 769 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:51.760 Red and you can download it there. I think they're there for twenty four 770 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:56.760 hour rental, it's five bucks. If you want to buy it, you 771 01:13:56.800 --> 01:14:01.520 can actually buy it's almost two hours, and that's nineteen bucks for the full 772 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:09.359 documentary. So he didn't mention that. Always happy to help and I hope 773 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:15.199 it wakes some people up. We can't say anything more about the United States 774 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:23.960 government and especially these the administrative staff behind NASA's reluctance to really give us the 775 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:28.119 details. It's going to be in your face from the ets, is what 776 01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:30.279 it looks like, or it's just going to happen, you know. I 777 01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:35.479 don't know how long it's going to take to get boots on the ground to 778 01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:40.880 Mars. Maybe another twenty years. I mean, these things take a long 779 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:44.560 time. We didn't even talk about the Artemis program. If you remember, 780 01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:51.159 we had Shannance Sony, the aerospace engineer, talking about the Artemis program and 781 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:57.039 the first woman will walking on the Moon and they're also going to do some 782 01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:01.000 tests. I posted a number of graphics showing I think it's Artemis one, 783 01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:06.079 two, and three, and the ultimate goal is to get boots on the 784 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:12.960 ground on Mars. I cannot remember what the time factor was, but I 785 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.920 think it's like, you know, at least ten years, if not more, 786 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:21.960 and tens of billions of dollars spent on this. What the hell the 787 01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:28.359 rovers are doing is beyond me. It's just really really ridiculous, almost asinine 788 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:35.239 that they're spending Each of the rovers is two point five billion dollars and they're 789 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:40.399 searching for microbes. You know, who cares. If they're going to do 790 01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:45.840 anything, they should be preparing for our Artomis program, like looking using special 791 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:51.199 satellites, sending satellites to Mars to image areas that would be good for setting 792 01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:58.079 up a colony. And it's likely they already know this because we have NASA 793 01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:02.560 has sent really top notch satellites to image the surface. And of course as 794 01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:11.359 they're imaging and looking for a new city colonized area, they're running into the 795 01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:19.279 ruins. So it's really it's funny. It's like they somebody should go rogue 796 01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:26.520 on them and just expose them with some really amazing releases of photographs. I 797 01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:30.880 love that. Go rogue on NASA if someone's listening and they're really good with 798 01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:38.439 hacking, hack into their database and just start spinning on the images of not 799 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:43.000 only the Sidonia reason, but Atlantis Galactus. I think that's I can't I 800 01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:47.279 think that was the name of it. Where there's huge ruins next to a 801 01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:51.560 lake, a former lake. It's all burnt up now, but you can 802 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:55.840 see the streets, you can see the buildings, and it's like, give 803 01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:59.680 me a break, just reveal it, you know, I mean, what, 804 01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:04.920 how does a scenario. Go when NASA is exposed for their lies. 805 01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:13.479 I guess it's the same scenario about you know, governmental agencies. I guess 806 01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.560 maybe I'm just naive. You guys listening that work for NASA are going cliff. 807 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:23.439 You just don't get it. It's it's layered in. You know, 808 01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:29.119 we sign non disclosures, and you know, Shenas gave us a sense of 809 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:31.720 it. But she seems very I mean, wasn't she a fresh breath of 810 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:35.279 air? Of course, she's an aerospace engineer, she's not an administrator, 811 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:43.399 and she's not looking at camera data or footage or images from the surface of 812 01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:49.159 Mars. No, she's worried about the arnymous rockets and the man the program 813 01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:54.479 going to the moon. 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